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The Personal Journey of Vicky Ash from Abuse to Spiritual Healing · UK Column Radio

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Good morning and welcome to the UK column viewers and listeners.
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I have a special interview today with a lady called Vicky Ash.
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And Vicky, I've known for a lot of years, so many that I'm going
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to have to ask her in just a few moments how long it is.
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But an important thing I need to say straight off is that we're
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going to be talking about some pretty tough subjects.
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This is about Vicky's life in an an abusive family and how she's
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moved through that very dark period to something really very
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special. But we do understand that if
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people are watching this type of interview and they've
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experienced problems themselves, this can cause difficulty.
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So we have to say upfront that we are going to be talking about
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some very different difficult issues, but the most important
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thing is that this is a story of how Vicky has got through some
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very, very dark, troubled times and has found the light.
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And on that note, Vicky, can I welcome you to UK column?
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Good morning, Brian. Thank you for having me.
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Absolute pleasure. Now come on, let's see if we can
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pin down for the audience how long ago it was that we did that
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original interview. There was 1000.
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And 15. 2015 So there we are 10 years ago and the important
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thing is that we did the interview.
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We're still in contact. Probably we should have been
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able to have a bit more contact over the years, but the key bit
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is that you're with us today. So thank you very much for that.
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It's great. You've recently produced a book,
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it's called Fruit Cake or Bearing Fruit, which people
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might think that's a very strange title, but I know
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there's a very good explanation for that.
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And you were kind enough to give me a copy to read, because it's
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a read. It's it's a book, a novel about
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your life and what you've been through.
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It's a very intimate book. I think you've written it in a
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very, very clever way because you've had to juggle some, some
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very difficult situations with family and also some legal
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aspects. I read your book.
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I think it is extremely good and it it made a big impact on me.
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And I'm sure as we discuss it, it's going to make a big impact
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on the public. Why don't we start at the in
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whichever direction you want to go to to answer this?
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But you've written a book about your life.
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What prompted you to do that? I think it's healing, obviously,
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to face the truth in your own life, but also I have a duty of
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care to children. And the more that I've gone on
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my journey of faith, I don't believe God just rescued you to
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have a good life. I think He rescued you to rescue
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others. So my heart has always and and
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will always be to help those other survivors perhaps haven't
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been as fortunate as me, but also to protect children and to
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save children because satanic ritual abuse still goes on
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today. Vicky, thank you very much.
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But that's a very clear and a very concise explanation.
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And I'd like to just say, say to you that over recent months,
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I've been doing quite a few interviews with mothers who've
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been through some pretty disturbing situations.
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So this is this is about their personal life.
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Some of them have been through care.
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The the main thread through all of them has been that these are
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women that have had their children taken away from them.
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And this is something that I've come to learn in the discussions
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with those women that initially they were trapped in a world of
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almost. Well, many of them did feel
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guilty that they'd been in a situation where the state had
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taken their children. And when they got through that
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darkest period, they started to reflect on how they were going
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to deal with their situation and how they were going to try and
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fight back against the system that had taken their their
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children. Invariably they want to speak
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out to get the truth out about their own story, but they're
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also adamant that what they've experienced, they don't want
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that to happen to other people. So what you've just said to me
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absolutely makes an impact on me.
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Even more so because a few days ago I was lucky enough to be
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invited to meet up with a group of mothers who've all had
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children taken away. And this is the first time I've
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been with a reasonable size group.
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There was a, there was about 25 mums in the room and a lot of
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emotion. But this is one of the key
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things. They wanted to get the truth out
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about what had happened to them. And Vicky, I know this takes a
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lot of courage. So I'm going to thank you again
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because it's not easy to discuss these things.
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I don't know how you'd like to respond just to that.
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Well, I think we're seeing even in today's times that there's
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more protection for the perpetrator and the victims are
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being silenced. And that's very concerning.
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We're seeing that all over that. You know, I mentioned in my book
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that sadly, I'm, I've not been able to write it as I would
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because many whistleblowers are silenced and serving prison
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sentences. So we're seeing that and, and my
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book goes through my journey of going to the police for help.
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As I mentioned in 2015, I I went to the police because I had a
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duty of care to children. And it shows the whole systemic
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abuse set up that perpetrators are protected and we can't deny
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that because they are. I I totally agree with that, and
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there are many other people who would agree with it.
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But perhaps for the the audience, I could reinforce what
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Vicky's just said by saying that at the little event I've just
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mentioned in the short talk that I gave to those ladies, I showed
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a clip of the former Tory whip Tim Fortescue in 1995, I think
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it was. He was speaking to the BBC.
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So there's there's a little clip that people can find on YouTube
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where this Tory whip, Tim Fortescue is talking to ABBC
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reporter and he's describing the whip's job and he looks at the
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camera and says, well, MPs could come to us, sorry.
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MPs would come to us with problems.
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It could be anything. It might be money, it might be
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little boys and we would fix it for them.
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And then there's a pause and he looks at the camera and says, if
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you think that that's a little bit, well, that's a little bit
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strange. We, we fixed it for them
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because, well, then they would do as we asked.
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Anyone with any sense who was in trouble would come to the wits
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and and tell them the truth and say, no, this, I'm in a jam.
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Can you help? It might be debt.
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It might be scandal involving small boys or any kind of
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scandal which a member seemed likely to be mixed up in.
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They'd come and ask if we could help, and if we could, we did.
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And we would do everything we can because we would store up
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brownie points. If, I mean that sounds a pretty,
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pretty nasty reason, but it's one of the reasons is if we can
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get a chap out of trouble then you'll he'll do as we ask
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forever more. So to ABBC Camera, we have an MP
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in a very powerful position as a whip in the Tory party saying
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that when MPs came to them having got into trouble because
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they were abusing children, the whips covered it up so
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effectively they could blackmail those MPs into following the
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political policy. And I showed the clip to the
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audience of mothers because I couldn't think of anything more
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blatant to prove to them that the system they were up against
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was ultimately a system that protected people who were
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abusing children. Definitely.
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And even going back to why my book's called fruitcake
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sarcastically. I've written this sarcastically.
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Being a fruitcake in the world's eyes often implies someone is
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mentally ill. And that's the tack that they
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use all the time to silence people coming forward is that
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you are mentally ill. You've got false memory
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syndrome. Therapists have planted those
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memories. We've recently had a lady called
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Lisa Meister on Only God Rescued Me.
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She's spoken out on a Christian, a Christian organization, saying
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that Satanic ritual abuse doesn't exist and that false
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memory syndrome's real. And I'm glad to say that we have
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speakers that have now come out, have written a book.
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Doctor Jim Friesen has written a book.
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He's a pioneer in the treatment of dissociative identity
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disorder, an experienced and compassionate psychologist, and
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he's written a book called The Truth about False Memory
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Syndrome, and we're seeing that even on Netflix programmes that
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are coming out. This is a strategy to silence
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people that are telling the truth.
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Yes. And ultimately it makes sense
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because of course abusers and people who are involved in the
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abuse rings and are indeed running the abuse rings will do
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anything and everything in order to hide what they're actually
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doing. And so nobody in this country in
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my, my mind should be surprised with the idea that that the
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cover up is very big and it goes through all layers of society.
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So in various cases over the years, it's clear that there was
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a cover up by social services, by the police, even through the
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courts and certainly through the political system.
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Where of course, we've seen even cases in the past involving the
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Tory party where it's become clear that even MI 5 was in the
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wings knowing what, what, what was actually taking place.
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MPs abusing children, but absolutely no action was taken
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against them. So this cover up is real.
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And and if the victim, the person who suffered the abuse,
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can be branded as mentally ill or suffering from some
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psychological diagnosis, psychiatric diagnosis, this is
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used to undermine their testimony and their status as a
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credible witness. This is also part of mind
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control. Children that are so
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horrifically abused are often hypnosis is used and mind
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control so that they never ever tell.
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And it's it's sort of implanted that if they ever tell they will
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be punished. If they ever tell, they will go
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to prison themselves if they ever speak out.
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So it's like an inbuilt trigger to silence you.
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And we know as a Christian that that can be a demonic
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stronghold. But once the truth comes, once
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you know that God will defend you when you speak out.
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And you know, obviously I believe that that's the
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Christian route of speaking out. I've found that God has
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protected me over these 36 years and he's given me more of a
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voice than ever. And I just wanted to go back to
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the issue of ridiculing those who speak out.
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We find that trolls hide behind fake names.
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They don't name who they are. Whereas I don't need to hide my
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face. I don't need to.
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I'm not ashamed. There's no guilt or
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condemnation. Now that I'm a Christian and I I
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truly believe that God is the truth and he defends the truth
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and he is a God of justice. Very, very important, Vicky.
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And we'll certainly delve into that a little little bit more.
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Just bringing you back to 2015 to is setting the scene a little
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bit for the audience, isn't it? Back in 2015, you'd got to the
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stage where you wanted to speak out about what happened.
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What was it back then that had moved you to the point you
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thought, right, I actually want to be speaking out rather than
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just trying to fight the battle myself by going to say I know
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that you went to the police, you went to politicians, you you
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would you were fighting that battle yourself.
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What got you to the point where you thought you were prepared to
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actually stand up in front, in front of the wider public and
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speak about what had happened to you?
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I do believe that it's like a jigsaw.
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It's come to me. So back in those days, it was
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my, it was AI mention all this in my book, the head of Child
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Watch, the founder of Child Watch.
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Obviously I went to her for healing, you know, for help in
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overcoming the abuse in my own life.
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But then that led me to contacting my MP and it's been a
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journey since then. But the more that it's been has
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been exposed and you know, I've jotted a few things down because
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two, since our interview in 2015, for those who want to go
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back and look at it, so much has been exposed that's mentioned in
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that interview. And so it's in a case of doors
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opening for me. I've always said to the Lord,
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you know, if you want me to speak, I will because that's my
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duty of care. But I haven't pushed myself
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forward. People have contacted me to
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speak because they can see that they can see what's happening.
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Survivors. I didn't know an SRA survivor
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when I grew up and remembered cloaks and going out in the
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night. I didn't know what that was as a
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child and black cloaks, I didn't know what the word was for it,
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but since and I didn't know any other survivor.
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But now we have worldwide survivors coming forward.
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Maggie Oliver, who has been exposing the grooming gangs, who
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talks about the corruption in the police force.
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She has been on platforms with other SRA survivors.
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So satanic ritual abuse is already here.
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They can't cover it up anymore. It's already here.
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This, this is absolutely true, absolutely true.
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Vicky, you've been through a lot and the whole purpose of your
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book was to be be giving the reader and the wider audience
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that comes comes out of having written a book and understanding
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of what's happened to you. Now you you've touched there on
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memories of being surrounded by people in black cloaks.
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At the time we spoke in 2015, you were talking about some of
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the things that had happened to you, memories that were coming
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to the surface. But at that stage, even in the
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interview with me, you were not revealing things in the detail
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that you have in your book. And so we we can clearly see
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that over 10 years, you've grown much stronger in the way that
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you're approaching this subject and with the truth sets you
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free. Pardon.
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The truth sets you free. The truth sets you free.
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What can I say to that? Well, it's absolutely true that
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that that is correct. The point I'm getting to is that
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in in your book, you give a very clever story of your life and
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how how things came to the surface.
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You talk about memories, you talk about strange things that
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were happening to you. You talk about abuse in its
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rawest form. And then you take us through the
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journey of how you started to put pieces together.
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You challenged some of the family members who'd carried out
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that abuse on you, and ultimately you got to a point
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where by embracing spirituality, in particular Christianity, that
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gave you the strength to actually renew yourself and to
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heal from a lot of the things that you've been through.
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There are still many people who do not understand what abuse
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really is. And this is such a difficult
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thing to to to deal with because if we are to tell the truth
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about what's going on with children, we have to talk about
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what it is that's going on. We can't deal with such a
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critical system and pussyfoot around how things are described.
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And yet I know that there are many really excellent people out
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there worldwide. I'm not just talking talking
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about the wonderful people we've got supporting the UK column and
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being our viewers, but they find it so hard to even listen when
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people are starting to describe what goes on.
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But as an adult, if we are to get to grips with this subject,
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we have to understand what it's really about and, and how these
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crimes are perpetrated because if we don't understand how this
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works, we can't deal with it. Where I am getting to Vicky, is
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that in the early stage of your book, you talk about some of the
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things that happened to you as a child.
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And will you tell us like I can give you some prompts, but well,
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let let me do this. I, I know that fairly soon in
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the book that you are talking about things you experienced as
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a child, which are everything from being taken out of your own
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bed and carried into your father's bed where you were
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abused, to really quite sadistic incidents where you were hurt
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with a poker at the fireside and there are other events.
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Are you able to talk the audience into this, into this
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very difficult area when we're not going to?
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We're not going to flaw people, but I think it is appropriate
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that you actually give some detail to what child abuse is
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actually about. Before I I again, please don't
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think that you're upsetting me by talking about it, because I
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am. I am healed.
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It's rather like looking at a physical scar on perhaps your
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arm. I've got an A scar on my arm
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where I fell asleep in front of the fire and I and I was burnt.
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And I look at that scar and it's healed.
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I can remember what happened, but when I touch it, the body
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has healed. And the same has been for me.
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We're talking about spiritual healing.
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For me, that's Christianity because in in the word of God,
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it says Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil.
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And my belief is that God is good and the devil's bad and
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people who do evil are being controlled by by evil forces.
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But going back to so asking me questions, I'm I'm healed now so
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I can talk about the abuse without any pain.
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I have the memories of what happened, but it doesn't trigger
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me. There's no pain because the Holy
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Spirit has done that healing work in my life, which I'm so
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grateful for. But going back to the memories,
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yes, it's called grooming. If you are being looked after by
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an adult and you do what they ask you to do, you are innocent.
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You have no control. Therefore, the things that
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happened to me, I, I, I did under that influence.
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And yes, there was sodomy, which is buggery, you know, that is
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the back end where you are abused.
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Therefore, I mention all this in my book.
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But I don't like to glorify evil.
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I don't like to focus and give the devil any more power than
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he's already got. I like to look at the solution
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and the way out. But yes I was sodomized and I
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suffered Constipation right through my childhood because of
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that. And also oral sex where he would
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put his penis in my mouth and that is common in I I hate to
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say the word normal child sexual abuse CSA because there's
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nothing normal about abuse at all.
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Abuse is evil on any level, but these are the things that go on.
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We we've had so many cases coming forward of abuse.
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We've had Harvey Weinstein, we've had the Epstein case,
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we've had all Jimmy Savile. We are in those days.
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We've had the Balenciaga scandal.
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What else that we've had? We just, we see it every day.
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We're being anaesthetized to evil.
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Even when you listen to the news now where, where there's been a
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murder or a rape and then they move on quickly to the weather
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and you think for good, can I just take a breath?
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Somebody has just been raped. A 12 year old has been raped.
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And we're talking now in mainstream media as if this is
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like going shopping. We are being anaesthetized to
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evil and we have to you know, the Bible says that when the
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enemy comes in like a flood, God raises the standard.
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And the point of these interviews, the point of
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speaking out, is that we have to stop evil.
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We are called to destroy the works of the devil.
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We are called to expose the evil deeds of darkness, and that's
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what I know I'm called to do as a Christian.
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That is my moral duty as a Christian is to expose the evil
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deeds of darkness, not to shame people, but to lead people into
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truth. Even perpetrators are deceived.
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They're under, they're under that sort of mind control that's
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perhaps happened to them as a child, often within satanic
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ritual abuse. It's generational, so you know,
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but you have to break the cycle. It has to stop somewhere, and it
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stopped for me when I became Christian.
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Just what just one wonderful Vicky and I totally agree with
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you. We are at the point where I
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think there are very powerful forces that want to normalise
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this sort of behaviour as if it's totally acceptable.
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And, and this is one of the key reasons I think why we are
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seeing some truly appalling grooming of very young children
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happening through the school system, the education system
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itself, where children are being exposed to ever more explicit
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sexual material. And I think it's appropriate
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just to give a mention to the wonderful ladies in South Wales,
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Public Child Protection Wales, Kim Isherwood and her team
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who've been doing such a great job warning parents what what is
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being done to the children in this grooming that's going on in
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schools, in primary schools, under the under so-called
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religious and sex education. It's it's quite, it's outrageous
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and it needs to be stopped. Yeah, I totally agree with that.
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It is legalizing satanic practices.
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We've seen even during the lockdown and and during COVID
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where full term abortion was, was trying to be legalized.
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We're seeing the perversion of children.
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We now know it's a huge industry of child sex trafficking that's
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that's out in the open now. We've seen adults in the care
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system speaking out. ICSA, which is the independence
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inquiry into child sexual abuse. You've had so many survivors
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come forward to that platform, but then when you look at that
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platform, the leaders were removed.
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Whenever we hear of breakthrough in any area, it's stopped higher
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up. Absolutely correct.
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I've been highly critical of the, it's the so-called
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independent child abuse inquiry because we know for a fact that
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key witnesses, including witnesses, that witnesses whose
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original testimony helped create the child abuse inquiry in the
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1st place, their, their personal testimony was so powerful, the
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police were engaged. In fact, some people did go to,
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to prison. But strangely, the, the ICSAR
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inquiry then failed to call those, those people as, as
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witnesses at the inquiry. And then the next thing is we
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say what has actually changed as a result of the inquiry?
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There's lots of good words, thousands of words get written.
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But when we say, OK, what's actually been done on the
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streets in order to stop this? The answer, the answer's nothing
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and I'll, I'll just add to that before it come back to you is
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that is, is that I was also sent a document last week.
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It was printed in November 2024 by Truth Commission, which is a
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group of very good people at the Westminster End and, and through
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some of the universities who've been collecting statistics on
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the damage done to families and children via the the child
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protection system, social services system.
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Incredible data and and some really powerful statements from
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parents saying how they've been belittled, abused, let down, a
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complete lack of independence OR proper justice.
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Very, very hard hitting. But Even so, that report simply
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not covered in mainstream media with with the with the vehemence
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that it it deserves. So I'll just add that to the mix
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as well. And and people are afraid.
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People are afraid to corroborate and come forward, but that's
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what's needed. It's fear that silence is us.
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I didn't just write the book fruitcake or bearing fruit.
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I wrote a book called Persistent poems.
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I've actually got it here. And I, I wrote this at the
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beginning of that's also in Amazon and Kindle.
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And that was to awaken a deceived generation where we're
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actually even within that I used to wake up in the night with,
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with different poems and words of all the child trafficking
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that's going on. But we, we are seeing that
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police evidence is lost. Cases are shut down because fear
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is the weapon they used to silence.
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But you see, when you walk in faith, you can't walk in as a
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Christian. You don't walk in faith and fear
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at the same time. Fear, I believe is from the
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enemy. Faith is from God.
29:26
But you know, with faith, I believe that just just as we've
29:30
seen in in the Epstein trials and Harvey Weinstein, as people
29:36
come forward together, those that have perhaps taken their
29:40
cases to the police with evidence like I did, I had
29:44
evidence to go to the police, Then there must be those cases
29:49
that can still come forward and join together and say something
29:54
must be done because there isn't a law in our in the UK against
29:58
satanic ritual abuse. Well on on On the contrary,
30:02
Vicky in the 50s, I can't remember the exact date, but it
30:08
was the 1950s, they they actually were repealing laws
30:13
about practicing of witchcraft. Yes, that's where it all
30:16
started. Yeah.
30:18
So we we can see a trail through society that that shows that
30:24
some really strange, we could say strange things have gone on,
30:27
but where you would have thought practices that were clearly
30:31
damaging to individuals where previously there was some
30:35
attempt to control them, from that time onwards we've seen the
30:39
opposite it. We've seen a loosening up of
30:42
everything in society, which is making ever more deviant
30:47
practices ever more acceptable, and that's got to be a
30:50
deliberate policy. Yes.
30:53
And we're, we're seeing that this is a spiritual battle.
30:55
We're seeing that every religion has a voice, but the Christian
30:59
voice and, and, and, and the moral decline of the UK, you
31:05
know, morals and, and different cultures within religions.
31:09
We're, we're seeing that. So we know it's a spiritual
31:12
battle and we sadly, we can't fight that spiritual battle.
31:17
Just on a human level. We can't, we need God.
31:21
We need, we need our nation to come back to God and he will do
31:24
it. He is exposing us.
31:26
He's lifting the veil of deception as we speak.
31:28
It's it's happening everywhere. And he won't be mocked.
31:32
He won't be mocked. There is, there is clearly
31:36
something very special that's happening at the moment.
31:39
A lot of people are waking up because they, they are sensing
31:43
that something's wrong. They certainly sense a sort of
31:47
oppressive feel around them and they are, they are looking,
31:51
they're looking for answers. And I, I have found that over
31:56
the last 10 years there's, there's been a huge change in
31:59
what you can talk about. So now there's very little
32:03
problem in talking to people from a spiritual angle.
32:07
They listen, they ask very good questions, they're very open to
32:12
the idea that there's more to it than men and politics.
32:16
And I, I've found this, this absolutely fascinating.
32:20
If I go back 20 years, when I first started speaking out on a
32:24
number of issues, if I did a public talk and a venue, people
32:30
might come forward to the stage at the end of the talk.
32:33
And then they quietly say, do you think there's more to it?
32:36
And I, I would always prompt them by pretending not to
32:40
understand what they were talking about and saying, well,
32:43
what do you mean by that? And they say, well, do you, do
32:45
you think it's spiritual? And then I, I would always say,
32:49
yes, it's absolutely spiritual. But now we're seeing more and
32:53
more people in searching for answers are a lot more receptive
32:58
to the idea that this is what's really happening.
33:02
Yes. And this generation, no, they're
33:04
more awake than than my generation and older than myself
33:08
because they see it through Hollywood.
33:10
They see it through the Illuminati.
33:12
We've had P Diddy that's been arrested.
33:15
It's everywhere. And you know, the church must
33:18
rise up because Jesus is the answer.
33:21
You know, everywhere I seem to go that God seems to have a
33:25
theme that hope has a name and his name is Jesus.
33:29
And that's the the issue now. We, we're already seeing
33:33
spirituality through the music industry.
33:36
And I was trying to speak that out years ago.
33:39
We've had Robbie Williams speak out.
33:42
It's we've, we've had, you know, so many celebrities talking
33:47
about the dark, dark witchcraft, black magic that's happening in
33:53
the elites. You know, the elites are running
33:56
the show. And that's where we have to push
33:58
back the darkness. And going back to officers that
34:02
were in my case, they've told me since that they have training
34:08
that, that, that they didn't know what I was talking about
34:11
them. But now they do.
34:13
So when people say that it doesn't exist and yet officers,
34:16
officers have told me that they've had training about
34:20
ritual abuse, They might not call it satanic, but you've also
34:24
had the Glasgow satanic ring exposed.
34:28
It's it this has been in main on mainstream media as well.
34:31
The Glasgow Satanic ring, the word satanic, it's evil and we
34:36
have to name it for what it is. We can't keep being ostriches.
34:40
We can't keep brushing things under the carpet because evil
34:45
only prospers when good men do nothing.
34:47
And as, as I say as a Christian, the devil only prospers when
34:50
God's men do nothing. Yes, Vicky, can I encourage you
34:55
just to take us through a little bit more of the book.
34:58
Thank you very much for being so frank about basics of some of
35:04
the things that have happened to you because that puts a
35:06
foundation we can now move on. But there's another aspect which
35:12
I think you should be able to comment on and that's the
35:16
business about how how children are controlled in inside a
35:21
family situation in order to keep them silent and can keep
35:28
them compliant. A lot of people can't understand
35:31
how this sort of stuff takes place.
35:35
Are you able to to just comment just a little bit?
35:38
It doesn't. It doesn't need to be too much
35:40
too heavy, but on the sorts of things that you were told in
35:45
order to allay fears or concerns you had or to keep you, keep you
35:52
quiet. My belief of why people don't
35:57
speak out is that you love your family there.
36:01
There is still a bond that you love your family and it costs to
36:06
tell the truth. So everything's fear based.
36:11
Everything is that something will happen to you if you tell
36:15
somehow you were complicit as a child, that's being abused as
36:19
well. Your body responds to that
36:21
abuse, and that's quite a sensitive subject to speak about
36:25
that I do, I do speak about in the book, but your body
36:27
responds, you have sensations in certain areas of abuse.
36:34
Therefore you think that you're somehow to blame.
36:37
And the groomer, the abuser will always put the blame on you.
36:44
And that keeps you locked in because you're going to be in
36:47
trouble, right? Why would you?
36:50
You've nowhere to go if you're being abused within your home,
36:54
where are you to go if you tell? And it's, it's not only your own
36:59
protection. For me as I became an adult, it
37:02
was the it's just such a terrible subject that it affects
37:07
everybody around you. It's affected my husband, it
37:11
affects my own children. To think of what their mum went
37:14
through, it affects the love that you have for extended
37:20
family. How what's it going to cost
37:22
them, their reputations, their jobs.
37:27
And I've had other people within my family contact me since that
37:33
wanted to come forward at the time but had too much shame.
37:39
They said they felt ashamed. Now that's a terrible thing
37:43
because the shame is not on the person that's being abused.
37:47
I was a child and that's why I can hold my head up and say I
37:51
was a child. There's a very big difference.
37:54
I have no control over what happened to me and and that's
37:58
why paedophilia is so evil. When we hear about the grooming
38:03
gangs, it is so evil applying with drugs, using drugs to, to
38:10
anaesthetize you and to detention, tempting, you know,
38:16
when you see the grooming gangs tempting youngsters with, with
38:20
items and then luring them in. But there's an agenda behind it
38:25
and, and that's all part of the grooming.
38:28
People need to to understand that.
38:30
And grooming spiritually is a form of mind control.
38:35
We only need to see what happened through COVID.
38:37
If you put enough fear on the television about COVID, you
38:42
won't be going anywhere. You know, there was the power to
38:45
lock the whole world down because of fear.
38:48
But I like to look at fear as false evidence appearing real.
38:52
I believe that we have faith over fear and, and, and that's,
38:57
and that's why I speak out. I believe that true freedom is
39:02
found in not living under fear anymore.
39:08
Vicky brilliant. We that takes us to a nice point
39:14
because really, if my memory is correct in your book, once
39:20
you've been able to challenge some of your own family members
39:24
in respect to the abuse you've suffered and also in respect why
39:29
some didn't speak up, you were you were on a journey to
39:32
understand what had happened to you.
39:37
You went through some quite troubled times, but then you
39:41
started to be looking for the way out and one of the first
39:46
places that you got involved with was the church.
39:49
But I think you said that your initial experience inside the
39:53
church was that it was a very cold and hard and you were
39:57
trying to connect with God, but that didn't go as well as as
40:03
you'd hoped. You also got in touch.
40:07
With well actually you, you worked alongside a group which
40:11
said they were a Christian group and you did a little bit of
40:16
therapy with them. You correct, do correct me if
40:19
I've got this, got this wrong. You did some therapy and in that
40:24
therapy, some of these memories came to the surface, but you
40:29
quickly realised that the group that had set out or said they
40:34
were there to help you weren't, how do we describe this?
40:41
They, they weren't genuine Christians and their, their
40:46
spiritual path wasn't in the right direction.
40:50
So just take us through that little bit of how did you go
40:54
looking or find that you were looking to the church in order
40:59
to help climb out of this very deep dark hole that you were in?
41:03
Well. It was a relative but had become
41:08
a Christian first that said that I would only get better if I
41:10
went to church. And I remember mocking and
41:12
saying what on earth do I want to go to church for?
41:16
Because we do blame God for the bad things that happen.
41:19
We do not realize that evil comes from a source and that's
41:24
Satan and that's, that's all biblical.
41:26
So we do blame God for the negative things that happened in
41:29
our lives. But yes, I went to church and I
41:33
had a battle. I, I felt the presence of God.
41:37
I believe that God's knocking on everybody's door before they
41:41
even walk into a church. But I was seeking any way to
41:45
have healing, to seeing rather like a festering wound and
41:50
thinking I just need this medication, clear it up, get the
41:53
plaster on and I can get on with my life.
41:56
But I realized that things would trigger me within church.
41:59
The presence of God triggered me and sadly a lot of people, not
42:04
through their own fault, didn't understand how I why I couldn't
42:08
go up for communion, didn't understand the fear of hearing
42:12
the word sing and punishment. And if I even heard those words
42:18
I would be triggered. There would be a a physical
42:21
reaction and manifestation. And Vicky, you say that because
42:26
in memories that you had you, you had specific memories of
42:31
people taunting you. So the these, these, this, this
42:36
was an abusive setting where you were being taunted that you were
42:40
the 1 who'd committed the sin and therefore you need needed to
42:43
be punished. Yes, yes, and that's exactly
42:47
what Satanism does. We'll use the word of of Jesus
42:53
to so that you never ever tell and it's not the real Jesus.
42:56
And that's that's the sad part. But then I went to the spiritual
42:59
healing. I I went down every Ave. that
43:01
was opened, but I'd already had the memories.
43:04
I want to come back to the fact where people say that the
43:07
memories came up through therapy.
43:09
My husband can verify that I had many memories before the
43:15
therapy, but the therapy helped me to understand what those
43:19
memories were, what those dreams that I regularly woke up in the
43:24
night with. I would wake up in the night
43:27
seriously with a squishy sausage coming at me.
43:30
And I would be crying and perspiring in the night.
43:33
And I would say to my husband, you know, this squishy sausage
43:36
is coming at me. And it was through that, that I
43:39
was reliving as an adult in my dreams, the oral sex that sadly
43:45
happened to me as a child. So, you know, you dissociate.
43:51
This is what the ID is, or it used to be called multiple
43:54
personality disorder. In order for a child to survive,
43:59
you split off. It's it's like fragmentation and
44:05
and it takes time for those parts to be made whole.
44:09
And once that healing comes, the little girl is healed.
44:14
So you can have you know, you find that you know, the child
44:19
would come up up in me many, many times.
44:22
I would react like a child, even dealing with my own children.
44:24
I used to think what on earth is wrong with me?
44:27
But now I understand and and I have found the right church
44:33
through my book. It explains that often it was
44:35
African ministers that understood witchcraft.
44:37
They understood the bondage that I was in because it's very open
44:41
in their country. Witchcraft is very open in their
44:44
country. They either go to church or they
44:47
go to the doctor or the witch doctor.
44:49
Here it's dressed in suits and overalls.
44:51
It's under different guises of spirituality, but it's still
44:55
demonic. That that's a very powerful
44:59
explanation, Vicky. And although it was very many
45:02
years ago, but I've also spoken to some African pastors and, and
45:08
I, I've found that their instinctive knowledge of really
45:13
dark stuff going on in Uki mean one who'd, who'd come across in
45:19
order to give some sermons, including in Plymouth at, at one
45:23
particular stage. His comment was that as he was
45:28
taken and sort of people being kind to him, they were showing
45:31
him parts of the country. But he said I, I would be taking
45:35
places and I would be seeing things which I, I, I inherently
45:40
knew were very dark. So these might be pictures or
45:43
they might be so-called works of art, but he was very clear that
45:49
what he was seeing was not of the light.
45:53
And I, I found the discussions with one, one of those men in
45:56
particular, very, very interesting.
45:58
Also, when I went on Radio 4 many years ago, I wondered
46:04
whether I should leave my name. I was asked to leave my name.
46:07
And then I thought, no, I I need to.
46:09
There's no point me speaking out if I'm, if I'm not going to, to
46:14
be able to help. And as I when I got home, I had
46:17
a phone call from ABBC producer who said because I'd left my
46:23
number, he said, I think I'm going out at night.
46:27
I think things are happening to me because I'm waking up and all
46:30
my feet are scratched and dirty. I think I'm going out in the
46:33
woods at night. That was ABBC producer Ryan.
46:36
Yeah. Don't you don't just have random
46:38
phone calls from a stranger who's ABBC?
46:42
Those things just don't happen because it's true this is
46:45
happening. The, the evidence is all there,
46:50
Vicky, there's no no question of this, but we we live in a state.
46:54
People like to think that we're in the UK in 2025 and it's an
46:58
upstanding Christian country with a system of law and order.
47:03
It's a democracy. This is absolutely false.
47:07
We live in an increasingly corrupt and wicked country and
47:12
at the end of the day, anything you can imagine is going on.
47:16
And whereas in years gone, days gone by, whether we go back ten
47:21
years or 50 or 200, these things were going on.
47:26
They were largely under the surface because they were a body
47:29
of people in the country who realised who, who could say the
47:33
difference between right and wrong.
47:34
And we're back on that subject of of now we have the fact that
47:38
the evidence is all there, but it's suppressed.
47:42
Let me just. But I do believe we have hope.
47:45
I do. Believe.
47:46
That as, as all this is being exposed, it's being exposed for
47:49
a reason, because they need revivals here, more young men
47:55
are going back to church. More, more people are realizing
47:58
that they can't just do this life on their own.
48:01
They need God. And and so often persecution
48:04
comes to bring revival. But you know, I, I do believe
48:10
that everything that's being exposed that has gone on for
48:13
years is happening because it's God who's doing it.
48:16
He's exposing it. And that is true and also good
48:21
people and very brave people like yourself Vicky, are being
48:24
used in order to expose what is happening.
48:28
Because bringing things to the light is, is an absolute
48:31
fundamental part of dealing with the problem in the 1st place.
48:34
And I say. One thing.
48:36
Go on. The devil loses his power when
48:40
things are brought to the light. He loses his power because the
48:44
occult means hidden. When you expose things, that's
48:49
when they lose their power. Yeah, you got involved with one.
48:55
Well, you you tried to get involved with a a church.
48:58
You then got involved with a so-called Christian group.
49:02
You did you did get some good things came out of that.
49:04
But let's just say they, they weren't quite the, the people
49:07
for you, but later you were to meet a particular pastor who
49:13
clearly made a big impact on you and gave you help.
49:16
Just can you talk us through how you really started to move into
49:23
this spiritual side where, where you, you were really coming to
49:28
the grips with, with the real issues of what this whole thing
49:32
was about? What, what did that?
49:34
How did you meet the pastor and and what did he actually do for
49:37
you? Dennis Wrigley was the founder
49:41
of Maranatha. I would call him my spiritual
49:44
father. He was very much a father
49:47
figure, but understood he he wrote an article to the House of
49:52
Commons, What on earth are we doing to our children?
49:54
And they also had a ministry called Trumpet Call where in all
50:01
those years ago we could see laws being changed, children's
50:04
innocence being stolen. So he was very much, I would say
50:08
had a prophetic voice. He, he's now passed on.
50:13
He's, he's, he's, he's passed on.
50:16
I believe he's, he's in heaven now.
50:17
But Dennis was very instrumental and I had healing.
50:21
I had in the way that you would go to a secular counsellor and
50:26
talk through your problems. Prayer is talking to your
50:30
problems with God. So I would go for prayer
50:36
ministry and that that was many leaders God led me to that
50:41
helped me enormously where I would talk through issues, but
50:45
God was present. So you're not just talking
50:49
through the issues to relive them.
50:52
There's spiritual healing from the right source at the time.
50:56
So it's freeing instead of it just being traumatic.
51:00
So some of them, some of the healing I have that where I went
51:03
to what I would call a new age ministry, not not real
51:07
Christians. They thought they were.
51:09
So bless them too because they're in deception, but they
51:13
thought that they were walking in the truth.
51:15
I would have the memories, but not the healing with it.
51:19
I'd just have more anger and I'd want to shout and and say go and
51:24
get them, go and get them. Where is the Christian voices?
51:26
Go and save them. The Christian voice doesn't go
51:30
and get them. Otherwise we'd all, we'd all
51:32
fall very, very short. It's it's go and save them
51:36
because people are deceived. And so my journey was prayer
51:40
with counselling, with God's presence, and it's been
51:45
miraculous. But I don't think people need to
51:47
go through everything that I went through.
51:49
There's far more knowledge about abuse now.
51:53
I spent many years just trying to get people to believe me and
51:58
that's still the issue today. That's why many people won't go
52:01
to church, because church often won't talk about these things.
52:05
They think we don't talk about the dark side.
52:07
We don't. Well, if you don't expose the
52:08
enemy, that's how he goes hidden.
52:11
That's how there's infiltration in your churches.
52:14
That's how you have Mace. You know, top end of the Masons
52:17
is, is very hidden. You have Masons within the
52:20
church. It it, it, it has to be spoken
52:24
about. Yes, indeed.
52:27
So he, he, he gave you considerable help and, and, and
52:32
you obviously learnt a lot through that.
52:35
But at one point in the book, you talk about a particular
52:38
occasion when you were, you were in church and you asked God for
52:43
help and something happened. Do you remember that incident in
52:50
in in the book you you're asking?
52:52
There's so many, there's so many brides.
52:55
I think you describe it as a feeling of pins and needles in
52:59
your arm. Oh yes.
53:01
Oh, that was so powerful. Yes, I was in church and I like
53:05
to come to God. I believe prayers, talking to
53:07
God. I don't think we need to make
53:09
things difficult, complicated. I think the gospel is very
53:12
simple. But I was in church.
53:14
It was an informal worship and I was in a very angry state.
53:19
And it wasn't a normal service. It was just an evening service
53:23
with worship and prayer. And as the worship group were
53:27
praying, one of the worship leaders had a picture of a
53:31
shield, and he was describing the shield, saying this.
53:35
It was shiny and one thing or another.
53:37
And I was sat there quietly on my own, but I was mocking and I
53:41
was sort of looking at my hands, my head down with my hands
53:45
between my legs, and I was looking around saying, oh, who?
53:48
Ray Henry's seen a shield. What do we all do now?
53:50
Because the service carried on, we carried on singing.
53:54
Then it came to the prayer time and the vicar said I was in a
53:59
Church of England church at the time.
54:00
The vicar said now this is the time for everybody to bring
54:04
their own personal prayers. So I was sat with my hands, my
54:08
head bowed down, my hands between my legs and I said, you
54:11
just tell me one thing God. I said how come evil seemingly
54:16
has so much power in the world and pins and needles shot up
54:21
both my arms. And I audibly heard the words
54:25
not if you wear your shield. And Ephesians 6 in the Word of
54:30
God talks about putting on the armour of God and that the
54:34
shield of faith extinguishes all the dots of the devil.
54:41
And I've had those encounters. Nobody can ever take your
54:46
testimony away. It says in the Word that you
54:48
overcome by the blood of the Lamb and the word of your
54:50
testimony. I've had those profound
54:52
encounters with God, and that's why I believe that I can sit
54:56
here today and speak as freely as I do.
55:01
And we are very, very grateful that you're doing that.
55:05
Vicky, the time, time is right. And we, we didn't even manage
55:09
the first slot, did we? When we said we were going to do
55:12
the interview, there was something came up and we've had
55:14
to wait a couple of weeks. But if it's, if there's one
55:17
thing that I've learnt over all the time that I've been doing
55:20
things with the UK column, it's things only happen when the time
55:24
is right. And if you try and force it and
55:27
you get frustrated and, and angry, often the solution is you
55:31
just need to wait a bit because when the time's right, all the
55:34
pieces fall into place. So I'm going to say I, I've also
55:39
experienced, experienced that you are able to use this.
55:45
It's, it's a huge spiritual stepping stone for you, isn't
55:48
it? It's something that takes you
55:50
into a, a completely different frame of mind about yourself
55:54
and, and indeed the battle you're in.
55:57
So the book is is a very uplifting book because it goes
56:01
from all of the sad times and and the dark times around that
56:06
abuse and it takes the reader through your life, all the
56:11
challenges, and then ultimately to a point where you are a
56:15
completely different person as a result of your spiritual
56:19
journey. It's obviously made you much
56:21
stronger. Are you still fighting at the
56:25
moment to try and do something about what's happening and the
56:29
fact that we still have thousands of children that are
56:32
suffering this type of abuse? I believe that this is, this is
56:37
the part of still fighting, doing interviews like this.
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I recently did an interview on Tough Talk with Joe Lampshire.
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There are, there are so many. You know, you only need to go.
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It's, it's not through mainstream media that this is
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going to be dealt with. It is, it is through and it's
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not going down rabbit holes or conspiracy theories.
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But you know, there is a, a word I remember when everybody kept
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accusing us of conspiracy theories.
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And you're a, it says in the Bible, don't call conspiracy
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what these people call conspiracy.
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So not everything's conspiracy. We really, really do need
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wisdom. But this is fighting.
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Speaking out about it, I believe, will give other people
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courage to come forward. And I believe that eventually
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there will be that corroboration, as there has been
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with other cases. And I think that there there
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will be an overturn of evil. I do believe that there will be
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an overturn. But we know in the Bible that
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we're in the last days, so we we can't change what's going to
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happen. But I believe it's the church's
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finest hour to rise up and shine and have holy boldness.
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That's what I believe. We, we, this is, this is a very
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good point. We can't change what's going to
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happen, but we, we've got a it falls on all of us to help the
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people who can't help themselves.
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That that I believe is, is, is a key point.
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And and of course, you've already mentioned the
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vulnerability of children. So there is no adult or should
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be no adult in this country or worldwide that is going to stand
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idly by while children are badly treated and abused.
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Yeah. And the the other bit I'll just
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add is that in, in meeting the mums I I met a few days ago
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who'd all had children taken away from them.
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The newer ones were still in a pretty bad place.
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And there there was a lot of very powerful, tough emotions in
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the day. But in the afternoon we got
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talking more about the wider battle.
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And one of the things that I said to them, I showed them a
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video clip of, of some of the interviews that I've done with
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the mothers who've been brave enough to speak out about the
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trauma of having their children stolen by the state.
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So I showed a little 9 minute video clip of some of these
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mothers speaking. And yes, it did.
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It was very hard for some of the mums present to watch it.
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But the point that I wanted to make is that those mothers had
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got to the point where they were brave enough to speak out and
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tell their story. And of course, what happens when
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they do more mothers come forward.
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And then the second point that I made was that although a lot of
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the mums, they've all been through the court system and
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they've all, all experienced drowning in court documents,
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bundles of paper, which is supposedly the evidence.
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But I kept saying to these ladies, you are the evidence.
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You are the people who've experienced what what has
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happened, things have been done to you.
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It's your testimony that makes the evidence as to what's going
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on. And of course, if there are
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thousands, if there were to be thousands of mothers coming
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forward talking about child's, how their child's been taken by
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the state, that is the evidence itself.
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And it also applies. In the case of of abuse, the
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more people who can be helped and encouraged to speak out, to
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speak the truth about what's happened, the more people come
1:00:27
forward and the more we are then getting these terrible things up
1:00:31
to the surface where they can be dealt with.
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Yes, and we've seen that with child sexual abuse.
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We've seen there is help, now there is people aren't being
1:00:42
silenced. We've seen it in domestic abuse
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where women, you know, can now speak out that, you know, people
1:00:49
didn't want to accept that that was going on, that people were
1:00:52
being beaten up behind closed doors.
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But people, we have to expose evil.
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We have to. We want to live in a safe
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society. We want our children to be able
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to play out safely. It's so much harder to parent
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your children these days. And of course, children, indeed
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children who've suffered these things, as you have experienced,
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go on to have problems and then that makes it difficult,
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difficult for the next generation of children.
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So it's so important to to be able to draw a line under this.
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Vicky, coming up to the top of the hour, it's been a
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fascinating discussion. I wanted to mention the name
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because I think this particular person deserves some
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recognition. It's it's a man I interviewed on
1:01:41
the UK column many, many years ago.
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In fact, I'm allowed to say I think it was that UK column
1:01:48
interview which is the one that took him from being somebody who
1:01:53
was battling behind the scenes to somebody who got recognition
1:01:57
for what he was doing. And that was the former
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Metropolitan policeman, John Wedger.
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And John has given you a lot of support over the years.
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Yes, he came to my book launch and he continues to speak out.
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You know, this is all, it's all going to happen.
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Justice eventually will come. And yes, he continues to speak
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out and we're still very good friends.
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He does an awful lot and and and he knows what goes on behind the
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scenes of the corruption. We're seeing police officers
1:02:32
that are involved with having child pornography.
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You know, we're seeing people in places of authority doing the
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the unimaginable and still the silence.
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There should be absolute outrage.
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There should be outrage. Yes, probably.
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Then the other name I should mention this comes into my head.
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So I think I'm being told to talk about this man.
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Mike Veal was the chief Constable that did all the
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investigations around Ted Heath. He did it in a very measured,
1:03:09
professional way. And of course, as he delved into
1:03:14
the accusations of abuse around former British Prime Minister
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Ted Heath, he he the chief Constable, absolutely vilified
1:03:23
by the press and media, with the BBC in the lead, of course.
1:03:28
And I want to say to the audience that that I understand
1:03:33
that he's, you know, he's had to go through a very, very hard
1:03:37
personal battle since he did that police work to try and
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protect children from very powerful abusers.
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And I know that John Wedger has been trying to give him some
1:03:50
support as well. So there is a price to be paid
1:03:53
when people attempt to help. But it's utterly brilliant when
1:03:57
we see these very strong people such as John Wedger and and Mike
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Veal, who are two of many who have tried to do something about
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it. Yes.
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And we also have the reigns list and John Wedge has spoken about
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that. I was just looking for it.
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Just let me think it's important.
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While you're looking, I'll just I'll just say to the viewers of.
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Importance. I don't know what the Rains list
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is. It's a it's a list of names that
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was compiled by a lady psychologist who, in trying to
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help principally young people who came to her with
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psychological problems, she discovered in the interviews
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that many of them were talking about exactly the sort of abuse
1:04:45
that Vicky Ash has just described.
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And she kept notes of the interviews and she built up a
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list of names and she built up a little paragraph summary really,
1:04:58
of the person and what they were being accused of or what they
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were doing. Some of them were abusers, but
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some of them were had got responsibility within the abuse
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cult. So they were the people who were
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the enforcers or they were the snitches.
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They were the messengers. And over to you, Vicky.
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And her name was John Coleman. Yes, you've you've explained
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what the Rens list is. And she also always had to put a
1:05:30
name on that list. She always had two independent
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witnesses. Yes.
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For every name that went on the list.
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Yeah, and of course, the point of the list is that it showed a
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whole spectrum of society, from people in the very, very highest
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positions of authority and power down to people who were broken
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and destitute but were still involved in this type of
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activity. Vicky, it's been absolutely
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amazing talking to you and I want to really thank you for
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being so forthright and describing what this problem is
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about. Because I absolutely believe
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that people have got to understand it for what it is.
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And if you are a Christian, I'm going to look you directly in
1:06:18
the eye and say you've got a responsibility to understand
1:06:21
what this is. So all this business, Oh no, I
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can't listen to this, it's too upsetting.
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You've got a duty to listen to it because you need to
1:06:29
understand it because then you can do something about it.
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Sorry to be a bit tough on the team, but this is so important
1:06:37
that as things have got tougher in life and we are at this very
1:06:41
important period of of the world, it is very sad to see a
1:06:47
lot of Christians just losing the courage to actually stand up
1:06:51
against what is stand up for right in what is a spiritual
1:06:55
battle. Some a final word for you on
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that. I believe even other countries
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are telling the UK to stand up. Even other leaders elsewhere are
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telling us to stand up. I do believe that there will be
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God will save the UKI do believe that they'll be revival.
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And I want to thank you and your team Brian, for also being bold
1:07:18
on speaking out on these issues. And that's what we're here to
1:07:22
do. We want people to come into the
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truth of of of abuse so that we can protect and save children
1:07:31
and prevent it happening and also the huge industry even of
1:07:35
taking children off mothers again, it makes money adoption
1:07:40
and fostering. It's it's all everything's about
1:07:43
money and greed. That is ultimately, but that
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again goes back to the Bible that when the devil tempted
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Jesus, he said he'd give him the kingdoms of the world, didn't
1:07:54
he? And Jesus said man doesn't live
1:07:56
by bread alone. It's a spiritual journey.
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So we're we can't be bought off, we can't be paid off, we can't
1:08:03
be silenced. And money isn't our God.
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Money isn't our God. But sadly, that's what happens.
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You'll lose your job. You will, you will.
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It's always hits us in the purse that'll be taken away from you,
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your families and and that's to silence.
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But the more people come forward, I believe an Army's
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rising. An army's rising in these days.
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Absolutely. And we, we've gone through the
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discussion we've gone through and we've, we, we've got to a
1:08:34
point where we're actually smiling at the moment because we
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are talking about very positive things.
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But of course laughter itself is a very, very powerful weapon
1:08:43
because the people ranged against us doing these terrible
1:08:47
things don't want happy people. So the more buoyant you can, you
1:08:51
can be laughter is a very powerful tool.
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And I will also say, of course, prayer is a very powerful tool.
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And that is why they are trying to make it unlawful.
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What better indicator can you ask for them?
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They're trying to outlaw praying.
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Why? Because they're frightened of
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it. Last comment, Vicky.
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And that's where all the mental health and depression, the word
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depression comes from, all the mental health issues and
1:09:22
hopelessness and disappointment. And that's not the news of the
1:09:25
gospel. The gospel is that hope has a
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name and the joy of the Lord your strength.
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And I say all this in my book of my journey through such trauma
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and atrocity that I have a a joy that doesn't come from the
1:09:37
world. I have a peace that doesn't come
1:09:39
from the world. I have an assurance and a
1:09:41
security that comes from God alone.
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And I believe that that's available to everybody that
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listens. And, and I hope that they cry
1:09:50
out to him because he's waiting. He's waiting to hear their
1:09:54
prayer and he's waiting to step in and answer and make a
1:09:57
difference to our dying world because that's what the world
1:10:00
is, dying. But you know, the church is
1:10:03
growing. The church is growing.
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Amen. Amen, Vicky, thank you so much.
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It's it's been fascinating to hear you talk through this and
1:10:15
talk about your book. And I really wish you all the
1:10:19
best in getting the message out there.
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You know, that the UK column will do everything it can to
1:10:25
help you and anybody else that's fighting in this field.
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And yeah, just thank you. It's been excellent.
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Thank you for having me.