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Are you going everyone? This is Lucius Boris for Drama for COG and we're
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playing the thrash Fille Festival on the ninth Saturday September. And yeah, I'm
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joining Chris here for a bit of a zoom meeting, a bit of a
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chat. Be a ful Lucius sakes for joining us. To stay always a
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pleasure of mate. You're welcome, good to be here. As you mentioned,
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my man. In a couple of weeks, COG will be heading two
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thrash Fille Festival alongside mammal As Covid headliners to two Days of Life Music September
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eight at ninth pretty much in the middle of nowhere, mate, Like what
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could go wrong? Yeah? Perfect for us. I mean we love the
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the great outdoors. I don't know, maybe it comes from watching that show
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The Laylan Brothers when we were younger or something. But and there's also a
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little bit of that, know, touring a lot back in the day.
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We would we would go to a lot of different places that were not just
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in the cities as well. So yeah, you know, we all love
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you know, kind of like getting off grid, so to speak, and
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and just connecting with nature and getting out there and I think to play the
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music in that kind of environment's pretty it is pretty pretty good, you know,
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it's it's it's a it's a right fit. And we're pretty We've always
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been pretty inspired by just the natural realm, and I think that is infused
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in a lot of our music as well. So so yeah, it looks
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like it's going to be a good spot. Yeah it is. Man Like,
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you guys have got a well deserved reputation of being one of the best
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live bands out there, But how good is it going to be playing in
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the country side like that, As you say, there's no noise restrictions,
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just you guys, nature and fans, Like, we're gonna be able to
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cut six Yeah, we'll just do what we what we love to do best,
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I guess, and and you know, hopefully the power will stay on
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and the generators won't break and all that stuff, and we'll be able to
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get through the set unscathed and just have a really top night. I think
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it's a it's a you know, to do more of those kind of community,
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community based gigs in those environments and you know, help the music industry
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in those areas, in those regions, and you know, bring some some
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quality music to those parts of Australia is a is a much needed thing and
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you know, we love doing it if it's right, that the dates are
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right and ever the timing is right. Yeah, we're We're all about it.
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You know, we love doing that. And of course it's not just
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yourselves and Marble Player, and you've also got a host of Australian bands like
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Civic, Shady, Nasty Down Girl, Waldhart probably is and more like,
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how good is it just to have an Australian festival again, like there's not
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too many of them these days. Yeah, that's right, and I think
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you know post COVID too, to some degree, all the bands are the
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overseas bands if you just look at it from that perspective for a minute,
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and they're all coming over here, and then all of a sudden the attentions
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on them because obviously, you know, no one's been able to see a
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lot of the overseas bands for some time. I was thinking about it this
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morning, that well, that it's a good thing, and it's it's it's
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nice to, you know, have the other bands from overseas that you know,
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we know and love come here and we can we can you go and
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watch them and whatnot. But there's I think two money is quite tight around
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this time, at this post covid era, so to speak, and a
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lot of people will kind of save their money and you know, maybe they
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just not too interested in seeing the Australian kind of acts, but they'll save
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it for those bigger festivals which have all the international bands on it. So
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you know, I think I would strongly encourage Australians and people who love Australian
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music to you know, support the local scene and support local bands and festivals
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because you know, if that eco music eco system goes under and it's really
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fragile at the moment, you know, ticket sales across the border down you
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know. So yeah, it's it's important that we have Australian festivals that that
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are just local with the local and you know bands and stuff like that and
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support them strongly. You know. So we've got we've got some type of
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a good, healthy festival Australian festival situation, you know, continuing on for
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bands to come through and grow and play and and you know move on with
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their career so to speak. So yeah, hopefully some of the big international
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kind of thing things don't just take away in terms of the first strings that
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you know, the pocket money people have, and you know it can be
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divided somewhat evenly, I guess, so it's hard balance and act in it.
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What's that r balancing act? Yeah, well it is now because you
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know, we're everyone's kind of suffering with the inflation and the aftermath damage and
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of the well which is still going. You know, it's it only seems
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to be getting worse. So I can understand that, you know, everyone's
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got to put put their money where they need to put it, which is
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going to support you know, the health of themselves and their family first.
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That's that's totally understandable. But yeah, we want to if we can strongly
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support a lot of these festivals, the local ones, the regional ones,
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the the community community ones. That's that's really really important, you know,
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the smaller ones, the more boottique ones. I just did one about probably
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three weeks ago, maybe three weeks ago in buller coo bull. It was
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like I think it was an hour and a half kind of southwest of Rockhampton,
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So for me that's like about a nine hour drive time. And yeah,
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it was a boutique festival. We've been doing it for years. More
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of a kind of country blues rock kind of festival. It was only about
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five six hundred people, but it was It was a really great little community
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festival, really great vibe. And you know, they're in a lot of
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those little regions you know, around and and I was playing with little group
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of guys who who were really good at what they do. Marshall is a
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blues player and he got me into do a show just just for the night
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because his drumma couldn't do it. So yeah, it was it was you
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know, it was kind of in the middle of nowhere, a little bit
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like the Thrasher Festival, and it was it was really great. It was
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really fun, you know. So yeah, it's good to support those things
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really good. And it might might be a little bit kind of like,
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oh yeah, it's well, it's a three day event. A lot of
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these kind of you know, a little busht kind of you know that,
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like you've got to go camping and stuff like that, so it's a little
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bit of prepping to do and whatnot. But I think when you when you
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get there and your ground and you get amongst it, it's like I'm so
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glad we did that. You know, this is you know exactly and if
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this is a coincidence, made that Cogan mammal Or on the same festival light
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up again like you guys seem to pop up. Got a bit of a
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history of playing together. Yeah, look, look it's been actually it's been
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quite some time before I think in between drinks playing, but I can't remember
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the last time Heivilly Brisbane. Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, I
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haven't spoke to Pete for a while, the guitar player. I speak to
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him off and on. But yeah, I mean, you know it'll be.
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You know, they bring a great show, so yeah, it'll be.
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I mean to have them on the bills, really really good too.
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As Zek the same question. But use are both bands that have got strong
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political and social views, so sometimes patching up for drinks and chat after the
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shows because it's my class on things. Yeah, well, I mean,
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you know, it's there's a big there's a big broad spectrum, you know,
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when it comes to the social narrative of the political realm and how everybody
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individually sees it. Because there's there's so many different arms of propaganda and different
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streams of information that can confuse a lot of people. And and if you're
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not in the right stream, what is the right stream? You know as
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as well, you know, what, what what are you striving for?
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What are you what are you trying to achieve? Or what are you trying
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to understand? Or what are you trying to decipher? Because it's a very
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seems to be a very you know, there's this, sayning called the ministry
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of truth, and that more comes from the kind of elitist, kind of
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mainstream media branch which anything through us is what is actually true. You know,
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that's the real truth, but an actual fact that's probably the complete opposite.
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So you want to go somewhere else and try and find some different alternative,
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you know, information sources, and but even those can be corrupted and
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co opted and you can have misinformation. And you know, I think there's
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with with Cogan and a band like Mammal, Yeah, speaking out on certain
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issues and certain things. You know, I think there's there's there's a definitely
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a and thread there between the two the two bands or any other bands that
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have an interest in those type of topics and things like that. But then
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there's probably things that we don't kind of agree with as well, you know,
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but I mean that can be a lot to do with your own journey,
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you know, with what you've gone through, what you've experienced, and
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what you understand and know, and you know, you can't expect anybody else
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to really, you know, kind of see your point of view to some
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degree. You can always debate it or or have some type of a you
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know, philosophical kind of conversation about it and things like that. But I
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think if you're leading through, you know, from the heart first, and
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you know you're trying to you know, just understand the world and nature around
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you. You know that that's a good thing. And I think both bands
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to some some degree of have you know, really tried to you know,
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have a look at the the playing field when it comes to you know,
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to put the political realm of what we're all involved in, whether you like
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it or not, and and just try to, you know, bring the
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best game that we can to to somehow leave the world in a better place
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or just get people aware and active and and you know, bring it back
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to what I like. I like this guy, doctor Shiva, who's a
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who's a Who's an Indian guys who kind of started email. He actually invented
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email back in the day when he was fourteen, and he was born in
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a cart system in India. And he's really quite fascinating to listen to.
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And he brings a perspective of a bottom's up movement, meaning you know,
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any of these not so obvious establishments that you think of saying and doing the
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right thing, you know, more pied pipers, you know, and you
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know, we've got to we've got to kind of continually bring things from the
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bottom, you know, the the people who do all the work, who
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actually do build things, create things, and and keep the the you know,
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the cultural system together in some respect, you know, the civilized society
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together in some respect, it's us. It's not any of these are you
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know, you know, not sivious establishment, you know, elitists who who
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have a an arm in each wing of the political realm for their own benefit.
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You know. So I think I think both bands can really would really
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agree on that. To self manage yourself be you know, somewhat have a
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sense of sovereignty and and responsibility, and and you know, bringing it from
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a communal perspective of organizing and making sure we manage what we can in our
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space and time and take care of it and we don't give it up to
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you know, bigger political you know, governments and authorities and whatnot. It
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is a very important foundation, I think, and and that you know,
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I like that that's saying that Siva says, you know, the truth,
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freedom and health from those perspectives and those you know is a great kind of
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like a banner to work with and move forward with. Yeah, And it's
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it's just an interesting place, you know. I mean when you're involved in
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life and you're involved in in in the system that we have and we're all
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involved in whether we like it or not, and trying to just manage it
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the best we can so we can we can benefit and have a good life
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as best as we can for us and our children. You know. Now
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I've heard a whisper that God might be working on a new song, mate,
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So is that potentially going to be ready for Prussua's us and that nice
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try. Look we've got I mean, I've got the I've got my new
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studio, Key Sounds Studios and buying. So that's that's a good little ah
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que for us to kind of get together and start to cultivate ideas. We
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jammed on the weekend and we all of a sudden, you know, we
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always get together before we start playing the set, and we you know,
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we start jamming on stuff, you know, and things just start coming out
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and we're pressing the iPhones and and and you know, quick, did you
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record that part? Did you record that part? So you know, there's
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a little bit of messing around there and a little bit of fun messing around
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with jamming and stuff just to warm up before we kind of do the set
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and then and then you know, they'll they'll eventually hopefully turn into things.
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For us. It's always you know, it's been a because we're self managed
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and we're self funded, and you know, we we've all got different businesses
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and families. It's a timing thing, is quite you know, to try
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and find the right timing to get things done is really ultra challenging. The
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intentions there to want to do things and bring things together. Having gigs as
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a great excuse, you know, obviously, to to get back together in
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the room and and that's that feels fantastic. And yeah, we've got this
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one song that's you know, it's it's in the ballpark of you know,
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somewhat finished or whatever. And I think after this show, this Thrasher Festival
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will try and spend a bit more time trying to get that one wrapped up,
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because we've had it there for quite some time, and I think,
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you know, we've given the challenges that we've all gone through over in the
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last you know, six to eight months a year or whatever, you know,
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when it comes to COVID, or it comes to you know, the
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floods that happened around Tear and myself, you know, moving my family and
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around, and Flynn moving around and just everything else. Everything's just been super
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super challenging to kind of like just you know, focus just on the music
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and get that done. We just haven't had the time because there's just been
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not only you know, environmental things that have happened around where we live.
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You know, the floods were we had two massive floods and that was really
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full on, and then the whole COVID thing too, you know, so
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for us that was I ended up getting a factory job because you know,
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I couldn't work in music capacity like I always have and yeah, that was
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pretty full on and I had to kind of reroute things there, but and
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and everyone else in the band had a similar experience to some degree. So
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it's just been yeah, like super challenging to try and nail that down,
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you know, But hopefully towards the end of the year, I think we'll
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have will have something out. Maybe you know, I'll do I'll do my
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utmost best to try and you know, keep cranking the cog, pardon the
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pun, greasing the wheel, greasing the wheel. That's about as much of
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a commitment as we could expect from your mate. So Nates, just just
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know that there is somewhat of an intentional commitment to get It's not like we
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don't want to do it, that's for sure. So a lot those lines
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made like, you guys are a band who have never really rushed songs out
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just for the sake of rushing them out. You know, You've always taken
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time and you've had something to say, like, how big of a role
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do you think that's played in your success? The fact that you could easily
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just keep pumping it out, but it wouldn't be cold, really wouldn't if
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you did it, Definitely wouldn't. I think you have to have a certain
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amount of experience in your life too, to be able to bring some story
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to the table that you want to say. You know, like at the
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moment, I feel that if we were to look at things from a you
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know, a psychological political perspective and where things are at, it's it's it's
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more it's at the moment for myself, it's more about observing whether chips are
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falling, and then you know, having something to say on that, because
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there's a lot of you know, a lot of weird stuff going on,
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so to be the observer and and you know, just just look around your
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environment and seeing what's being said. You know, then if you want to
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speak about certain issues or certain things, you could have something to say on
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the back of that. And we will, we always have, you know,
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I guess something to say to some degree. But I think life's experiences
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too. You have to give yourself a bit of time to to to because
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you change, you know, you change in life as a human being,
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which is a good thing to some degree, and you know, hopefully you
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get wiser and then you can bring something to the table story wise. That's
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you know, a true reflection of where you're at and and what's what you're
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experiencing, you know, in an artistic sense, bring it through the artistic
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medium. So yeah, we've never really to some degree wanted to rush things.
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And I think, you know, to create good art you have to
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be kind of like all focused at the same time and very very you know,
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have that intention really quite set strong. So yeah, we're not one
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for just kind of pumping stuff out just for the sake of getting likes or
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you know, it's going to be good if not, you know, if
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not better than the last stuff you've done. You know, if you've if
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you've set a benchmark for yourself too. I think it's important to you know,
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to someone hold that benchmark. You know, you don't want to reinvent
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the wheels, so to speak, or you know, you can't please everybody
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from you know, in terms of what you create artistically, but at least
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it can be a true reflection of where you are and what you feel and
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how you want music to come out. And so you know, when the
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timing is right, the timings will be right, I guess, you know,
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but we don't get Yeah, I'm probably the most impatient out of the
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out of the other, out of the three of us, and I have
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a hard time with that. But that's been my nature as boy. But
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I think that's always been how I've gotten stuff done. You know. I'm
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I'm quite I'm quite driven, you know, and and I'm kind of more
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like the you know, to some degree, kick the door in kind of
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a guy. And that can be to my detriment sometimes. And I've learned
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some valuable lessons there. But the other guy, the other two are pretty
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patient, very patient, so too patient for me. But but but but
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then at the end of the day, that's that's part of the beautiful lesson
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that they've taught me, you know as well. Well, but I do
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know that you have got something special going on with some vinyl that fancy wrap
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themselves around. Yeah, speaking of patients, we've all had to be patient
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with that one. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. We we parted ways with
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our record company in the start of the year, so we got all our
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our master's back. So the new normal is sharing space and then we can
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kind of do and and you know, utilize it the way we want to
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and it's up to us taking them full responsibility of it also, which which
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was you know, after a twenty odd year period, was felt fantastic.
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You know, I guess get back what you know, you spend all that
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time and creative and energy doing over the years, you know, from buying
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albums and being in the the vinyl spaces as you know, growing aspiring musicians
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and listeners when we were younger. So it just made sense to make it
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and make it quality and not cheapen out and and you know, bringing something
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of value like vinyl to the table again because I think there's a tangible relationship
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with vinyl which which can make the you know, the experience become more more
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valuable because you know, the the person who's kind of having that experience with
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the vinyl is really engaging, and you know, putting the needle on the
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turntable taking it out, and you know, you know, it's it's it's
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it's so much more of a lack of a better term, kind of ritual,
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kind of experience or an integration of of an experience with the music that
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I think it gives the music more value because you're participating with your with your
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energy. You know, it takes energy to lift the needle off the turntable
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takes energy. You can pull it out of the out of the rack,
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to put it away nicely, you know, so it doesn't get scratched.
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You know, there's there's a care. You know, there's a there's a
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you've saved Japanny's through the week so you can go to the record store and
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you know, like I used to do and get on the bus for an
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hour and go into the city and walk the city for six hours and you
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know, try and find records in the records store. I mean that was
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That's why I love bands of music, because it there was a connection then,
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and I think that's what we've lost. And I think that's why there
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is you know, obviously there's a certain resurgence in finding music and the sneak
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and I think that because people are looking for that tangible relationship with the music
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to bring them closer to to the people who make it and you know,
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the vibrational experience of that, you know. So it's I think it was
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the guitarist is his name Steve Luke, Yeah, from Toe Type, I
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think the great guitarist from Toto. So a lot of the music is just
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nick music now, you know, it's just you know, it's drive through
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music or something is you know, musicians can be a bit more precious because
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obviously they spend a lot more time with it, and you know, they
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can hold it in a slightly different light, will be a bit more sensitive
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to some degree. But I think he's right, you know, to see
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it is it's you know, there is a sense of the relationship that's been
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lost with the with the music and the you know, the public to some
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degree. And I think the vinyl really brings that, brings that back.
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And you get when I used to get the albums and I used to look
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at them and I used to you know, you know, read the liner
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notes and read the lyrics, and it was you know, how do you
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do that? I'm knowing It's like and now, you know, you go
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you go into to look into the some of the credits or something in some
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of the you know, digital realms, and there's nothing there. There's no
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where it was made, where it was, what studio, what producer,
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what engineering mixer, what what what was? You know what I mean,
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It's like a a lot of that stuff's being being lost. But anyway,
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look, I'm probably you know, chicking off from the tangent, but like
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I always do say that, but yes, like just wrap it up with
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you. But anyway, Yeah, I think it's a good thing. I
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think our our our fans or the people who like our music will really enjoy
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it. And it's done with quality too. We haven't we haven't kind of
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skipped out. That's why it's three vinyl, Like each album is a three
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vinyl, so you get the maximum benefit of the sonic value of it as
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well. So that's a good thing. And yeah, they're on they're on
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pre sale order at the moment, and yeah, we're gonna we hopefully want
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to do like a next year, hopefully possibly a vinyl run tour to celebrate
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those those two albums, you know, because we put a lot of time
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and energy into it and there's been a lot of I just it's just a
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lot of work. Yeah, that we want to we want to kind of
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again experience with our fans and that capacity. The last thing we'll talk about
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is you've mentioned your studios Keynote studios a few times, mate, Like,
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I know you put a lot of work. No it's not, it's not
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Keynote. Everyone says Keynote. It's fascinating. I can say Key Sound studio
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is probably three or four times. And then who go keynotes. How's keynotes?
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It's not key note, although notes a good thing, but it's key
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sound. What's that. We'll start that question again then, yeah, yeah,
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yeah, You've been making a couple of times about your your studio,
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key Sound studios, mate, So tell us a bit more about that.
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I know you've got it up and run and ready for the public just about.
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Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's been a pretty much had it going
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up and running for about four months now. I've had the space the warehouse
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for about six months, so I had to wait for the builders and all
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the materials and everything and and foot it all together and that that took a
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little bit to kind of get happening. And but yeah, like now it's
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you know, it's it's operating well. And I've had a few bands come
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through and had a bank called Red Sands come in which I played drums on
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their track and I'm producing their track for them. They're kind of a band
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used to play with back in the day when I was in the Hanger Flynn
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and I were in the Hanging Tree and they've come in and they're doing some
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music or a couple other bands and some other kind of projects. Waiting in
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the wings as well to kind of jump in there. So it's slowly getting
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up and running and you know, yeah, it's it's it's exciting for me
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because I've always loved that that side of it, that space, that creating,
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you know, place to to to kind of put music together and in
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the recording studios, so to kind of put one together made a lot of
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sense. I've had a lot of experience over many, many years, so
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it was just a natural progression kind of moving into that, into that vein.
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Yeah. So it's right Byron, Byron's industrial state there and great environment
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around there and stuff. So yeah, really really, you know, really
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really happy so far at the moment. Yeah, it's good making people and
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find out more information about it, law or maybe book in to see you.
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Yeah, yeah, I've got I've got the website, you know,
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just Key Sounds Studios dot com. And then there's an Instagram page as well
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and a Facebook page. I probably use the Instagram page the most. But
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yeah, I'm you know, I'm just if the music's right and the band's
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right, and I enjoy what I'm hearing and people want to work you know
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with me. We just work together on things and get things done, you
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know in the sonic realm. It's it's a it's a fun place to be
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and tasci. Now before welting go mate, I've started three new Spotify playlists
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through having like by speaking the bands, and I want you to give me
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one for each playlist, one of your own songs. So we need one
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to get the party started. We need one to potentially yeah yeah, the
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Cog song. Yeah, so I want to get the party started, want
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to save your marriage, and one that it could potentially end of your marriage.
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But they've all got to be Cog songs. Yeah, they're all going
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to be Cogg songs. Okay, So what was the first one? Getting
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the party started? Party started? Yet? A party started? Oh?
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Okay, got me there. I get the party started, and it's not
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much of a party. The party started. Yeah, but I think I'm
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thinking about the ending of the marriage one. That's that's the one that's kind
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of irking me the most. Well, my wife's a big My wife's a
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big fan of all the music, all the songs. So I don't think
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there's any song there that we're in the in the marriage, So that one's
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out of the question. That that that one. What was the other one?
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Save your marriage? Save your marriage? That would have to be bird
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a feather, wouldn't it. I'm only trying to make it better. Get
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this party started. Okay, Look, I like the I think there's that
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those in no other way and problem reaction solution. There's there's kind of like
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a nice straight dance groove that goes on, Yeah, open up is pretty
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good. Actually, now I think of it, you know, I mean,
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that's not one of our songs, so is it like we can I
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can I use that one? Go on, Let's get your party started.
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Kind of throbbing four beat, kind of tacking jacket jing jing burn, Hollywood
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burn. That's pretty fucking good. That one's for. That one's for Johnny
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Lydon. You can remember, all right, Let's just well, thanks very
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much for your time, bros. The pleasure as always speaking with me.
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I'm going to drive down for our thresh girls, so I'll catch up in
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here there. Fantastic mate, You're good to see you again, Thank you,
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thanks, thanks for having us mate. Oh yeah you too, mate.
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So yeah,