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What Happens if You do Nothing? · Business Brain – The Entrepreneurs’ Podcast

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  Dave Hamilton: Business Brain, episode 776 for Wednesday, August 5th, National Work Like a Dog Day, 2026.
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  Shannon Jean: Work like a dog.
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  Dave Hamilton: Working like dogs. I guess, I don't know what that actually is supposed to mean.
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't know either. What do I mean, work like a dog?
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  Shannon Jean: My dog's pretty lazy, and we should talk about that.
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  Dave Hamilton: else look lazy, we celebrate those who go above and beyond for their careers
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  Dave Hamilton: all right that's work like a dog day sure i
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  Shannon Jean: Guess that's yeah i.
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  Dave Hamilton: Guess so i guess so yeah i guess uh greetings and welcome to business brain
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  Dave Hamilton: For now, back here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton.
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  Shannon Jean: And still out here in Northern California, I'm Shannon Jean. Good to have you back.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's good to be back.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, yeah. That's cool. Speaking of dogs, like lazy dogs, so, you know, it's funny is,
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  Shannon Jean: when I started coaching a year and a half ago or something like that,
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  Shannon Jean: And you kind of warned me of getting stuck in this consultant trap. Sure.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. Yeah. And so I was really aware of that. That was very front of mind.
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  Shannon Jean: Okay. I'm not going to do that.
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  Dave Hamilton: And you successfully.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes.
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  Dave Hamilton: Navigated away from it. I loved it. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: So I started the mastermind, brought in other coaches, try to build a business
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  Shannon Jean: around it and everything. And, but it ramped up,
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  Shannon Jean: like quick you know we we flew up to thousands of members uh and it was really
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  Shannon Jean: like i was like man i've got a,
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  Shannon Jean: another business that's just taking a ton of my time which wasn't my initial
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  Shannon Jean: sure uh thing i was just kind of doing something to keep me keep my interest
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  Shannon Jean: level up and another challenge but,
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  Shannon Jean: along those lines is like all of a sudden i realized i had kind of built myself
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  Shannon Jean: into a box it wasn't the consultant trap because yeah i got out of that so it
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  Shannon Jean: wasn't an hourly thing but it It was just,
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  Shannon Jean: the demand on my time,
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  Shannon Jean: you know, a lot.
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  Shannon Jean: And it was great. I'm not complaining. These are not, these are.
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  Dave Hamilton: No, I understand. Yeah, it's just an observation. No, but it's worth saying
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  Dave Hamilton: it. I mean, it's charmed life, right? Like these are champagne problems. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: You got it. That's it. And I, you know, having been kind of semi-retired for
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  Shannon Jean: maybe the last 10 years or so.
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  Dave Hamilton: I got myself retired.
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  Shannon Jean: Semi. I said semi.
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  Dave Hamilton: You also haven't been semi-retired.
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  Shannon Jean: In my, well, let's say in my lexicon of the amount of work that I do,
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  Shannon Jean: that, and the flexibility that I have, I was able to step away.
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  Dave Hamilton: From having a home. All right, we'll talk about, we're going to talk about,
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  Dave Hamilton: I have another, well, later this, the thing I want to talk about later is,
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  Dave Hamilton: it fits into this, but keep going, please.
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  Shannon Jean: So anyway, yeah, so where I, you know, probably like six months ago,
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  Shannon Jean: maybe earlier this year, first quarter of this year, I said, you know,
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  Shannon Jean: I was like, I don't, this is not sustainable. I don't want to do it.
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  Shannon Jean: It's just too much. It's like, this is not what I intended. And I realized I
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  Shannon Jean: kind of had this tiger by the tail.
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  Shannon Jean: So I was fortunate enough to have brought in a couple of other people to help run this business.
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  Shannon Jean: And I just said, you know what, what happens if I just stop?
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  Shannon Jean: What happens if I just do nothing? yeah and i'm fortunate the champagne problem
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  Shannon Jean: that i could take i could do that experiment.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right yeah you didn't yes yep i
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  Shannon Jean: Didn't i wasn't relying on the income i just the main thing is i didn't want
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  Shannon Jean: to let anybody down right i created this business that i feel has a ton of value
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  Shannon Jean: for people so that in that part i actually really enjoy and so i identified what i enjoy the most,
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  Shannon Jean: the people i enjoy motivating them working with them talking to them watching
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  Shannon Jean: them helping them grow. That's, that's it for me.
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  Shannon Jean: But you know, everything else is, is work.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yes.
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  Shannon Jean: And I don't want to do it. So I just, I just stopped. I was like,
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  Shannon Jean: heck with it. I'm just going to stop.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: And a surprise, and a surprising thing happened. You know what that was?
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  Dave Hamilton: Nothing.
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  Shannon Jean: Nothing happened. It only kept getting bigger and better and nothing crazy happened.
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  Shannon Jean: I was able to just keep communicating with my team in Slack.
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  Shannon Jean: We continue to build projects and I would give them some feedback,
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  Shannon Jean: but I didn't feel compelled that I had to be involved in every decision.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yes.
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  Shannon Jean: Right? Yep. And I was able to focus. And when I say do nothing,
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  Shannon Jean: it's really more like do what I enjoy the most.
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  Dave Hamilton: I see.
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  Shannon Jean: Which is creating content, posting on X, which I love, and helping other people,
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  Shannon Jean: which I absolutely love.
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  Shannon Jean: But running the day in and day out of another, you know,
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  Shannon Jean: What is becoming a significant business was just not on my bingo card or whatever
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  Shannon Jean: you want to call it. Sure.
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  Shannon Jean: And so I'm not going to do it. I'm just not. And so it's been great and I've
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  Shannon Jean: loved it. And it just reminded me, and I feel so fortunate that I have the opportunity to just do it.
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  Shannon Jean: To test this. And just test it. I couldn't have done it like a tech restore.
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  Shannon Jean: There's just no way I could have done it. Or at Rescue System.
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  Shannon Jean: I know I'm just, I was too part of the, in the cog. I was too much part of the system. Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yep.
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  Shannon Jean: But, uh, so it's been great. So I would encourage you to, to like,
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  Shannon Jean: what happens if you step away for a week, two weeks, a month, a month is a big.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yep. A big, uh, no, the month is the month is the big one. They always,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know, anybody that, that like would counsel you on this kind of thing is
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  Dave Hamilton: like, get your, get your business to a point where you could step away for a month. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: And then that's a different thing now. Very.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. And, you know, and I'm not, I didn't like disconnect and not talk to anybody.
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  Shannon Jean: I'm still in it day in, day in, day out.
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  Dave Hamilton: But you're not, you're not out. You aren't at the point where you're out of
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  Dave Hamilton: it for a month. I mean, you are, you are still.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I don't say this negatively. Yeah. You are still the content.
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  Shannon Jean: Creator in the distribution system for this.
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  Dave Hamilton: Well no what i i i think you're the you're the talent for
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  Shannon Jean: This okay.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right somebody else can do the distribution
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  Shannon Jean: For you now if yeah but if you don't when i say distribution i mean yeah the
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  Shannon Jean: content that i create yes that
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  Shannon Jean: is our distribution and that is what brings people to the to our platform.
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  Dave Hamilton: Uh i see okay
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  Shannon Jean: And okay and that's the part i enjoy the most and i and you know like january
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  Shannon Jean: february i was like man i'm gonna lose this it's like here I always I often
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  Shannon Jean: say you know if you want to kill something you really love just monetize it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right right oh
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  Shannon Jean: Absolutely it changes everything it would be like you just doing music gigs
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  Shannon Jean: because you're like well how much money is it going to pay yeah which is a terrible
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  Shannon Jean: way to think about it and I don't want to think about this business like that either and it kind of,
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  Shannon Jean: Hey, you know, let's, it kind of gave me a big chunk of my time back. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: And I've been really fortunate, again, to have great people managing really
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  Shannon Jean: crucial parts of the business and offering support layers for the people that
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  Shannon Jean: are in, you know, using the platform and stuff.
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  Shannon Jean: So it just got me thinking about it. And actually, I had another topic we were
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  Shannon Jean: going to talk about it. But when we did our, if you're listening to this,
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  Shannon Jean: one of the things that I actually enjoyed, one of the best parts of this show, you never get to hear.
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  Shannon Jean: And that is the pre-recording that Dave and I get to talk for 15 minutes, sometimes an hour.
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  Dave Hamilton: Sometimes it goes very long.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, sometimes we need business therapy and it goes back. But it's super helpful
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  Shannon Jean: and allows you to come up with different ideas.
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  Dave Hamilton: Essentially.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, we workshop ideas, but it's based on our lives.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, it's just us catching up with each other. Correct.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's a very unstructured thing. and occasionally one of us will say so what
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  Dave Hamilton: are we talking about this week like and that might be the the beginning of the
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  Dave Hamilton: conversation sometimes it
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  Dave Hamilton: kind of would yeah it was today but other times it's like uh hey you know
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  Dave Hamilton: we we do need to record those episodes yes you know that kind of thing but but a lot of times
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  Dave Hamilton: it just is this organic thing and i i
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  Dave Hamilton: i obviously we have that here that's what we're saying i had that with gig gab
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  Dave Hamilton: when when i had a co-host with paul like i would never show up
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  Dave Hamilton: occasionally i would show up with like an axe to grind you know yeah like we
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  Dave Hamilton: do here yes but otherwise it was just all right what are we going to talk about
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  Dave Hamilton: this week and i was like well
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  Dave Hamilton: i i went i did this at a gig i don't know that there's a there there and then
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  Dave Hamilton: you know within about 30 seconds it's like oh nope that's that's going to be
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  Dave Hamilton: 20 minutes you know so yes yes yeah it's great it
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  Shannon Jean: Allows you to identify things that are yeah,
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  Shannon Jean: Maybe in the back of your mind or something like that.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's in the programming engineering world. We call it the rubber duck, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Where you need to talk out your thing with something, but it doesn't,
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  Dave Hamilton: you don't necessarily need feedback, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: In order to realize that there's, there's a, there, there, I mean,
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  Dave Hamilton: we do have feedback obviously, and it's a, it's a, it's a nice thing,
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  Dave Hamilton: but, but part of it is that rubber duck syndrome. We're just,
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  Dave Hamilton: we are one another's rubber duck at times.
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  Shannon Jean: And so, yeah, it's kind of prompting, right? You're just kind of talking about problems.
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  Shannon Jean: You're talking about situations that come up. But, yeah, I would encourage you,
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  Shannon Jean: if you feel that you're stretched a little thin, if you're, you know,
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  Shannon Jean: give up some stuff and see what happens. And I think you might be pleasantly surprised.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I did that with Backbeat years and years ago.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it worked for a while. And then it started not working.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, that's common too, I think.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, and I kind of let it go in a not – we had built up enough cash reserves.
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  Dave Hamilton: It was like, yeah, this is fine. And then one day it was – there was one day
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  Dave Hamilton: where it was like, wait, wait, we're not going to make payroll in a month. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Okay. I have totally done that. That's a little different than this.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's different. Right. Well, it's because you've done that before and you know. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah. I only, I felt comfortable because I saw what was happening with what
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  Shannon Jean: was going on in the background. The organization was, the structure was coming together.
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  Shannon Jean: The people were taking, you know, great things or doing good things. And...
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, it's been super beneficial. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: But yeah, when they when they start to fall apart, that that was a that was
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  Dave Hamilton: a huge wake up call for me.
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  Dave Hamilton: It was also I mean, it was it was scary as heck, obviously, to realize, like, wait, what?
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, like, I got to reengage here.
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  Dave Hamilton: I basically detached so I could enjoy raising my kids. I mean, it wasn't for you.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, I would make the same decision again. Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like, no question, even no, especially knowing the outcome. It's like, OK.
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  Dave Hamilton: but there was a day where it was like uh okay i need to like get back to work
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  Dave Hamilton: here and and fix things and i did and that was also empowering like knowing
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  Dave Hamilton: that okay well yes when you know when it hits the fan
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  Dave Hamilton: i know how to do this
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah that's a big deal which is you can put your gas your foot on the gas pedal again.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's it you feel
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  Shannon Jean: Way more powerful builds your confidence it's really.
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  Dave Hamilton: Good. I know that I can do it. I don't know what it would look like the next
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  Dave Hamilton: time if there is a next time, but I know that I'll figure it out. Yeah.
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  Shannon Jean: Well, if you've only started or I mean, if you're fortunate enough to have started
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  Shannon Jean: a business and had some success,
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  Shannon Jean: I highly encourage you to start another one because that is like a whole nother
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  Shannon Jean: switch that gets flipped in your brain when you can do it and you're like,
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  Shannon Jean: oh, it wasn't a fluke. It wasn't a one-off. No.
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  Dave Hamilton: You know what i mean that's right i wasn't
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  Shannon Jean: Just lucky or whatever i wasn't in the right place at the wrong time i mean.
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  Dave Hamilton: You probably were but well sure but you can like it it's not a one-off yeah like yes
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  Shannon Jean: And if you plus you're going to be way better at it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right way we should we'll
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  Shannon Jean: Save this as let's save this as another.
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  Dave Hamilton: So the thing that I had on my list, Shannon, is here's what I wrote in my notes to discuss here.
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  Shannon Jean: Okay.
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  Dave Hamilton: A lifestyle business is a job with unlimited upside.
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  Dave Hamilton: But if it's not, then you have to question it.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it was in response to those people who say you shouldn't build lifestyle.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like the people who are anti-lifestyle business, right? Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: What they will often say is kind of the dismissive comment is,
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  Dave Hamilton: well, with a lifestyle business, all you've done is given yourself a job.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it's like, okay, let's assume that's true.
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  Dave Hamilton: As long as it's a job with unlimited upside.
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  Shannon Jean: It can be a hell of a job, dude.
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  Dave Hamilton: It can be a hell of a job.
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  Shannon Jean: That's the thing. I can tell you.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right. It's the same. Yeah. Absolutely. I mean, look at what I just did last
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  Dave Hamilton: week, right? Like exactly. I just decided, OK.
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  Dave Hamilton: And I didn't just decide we've prioritized our lives because around concerts,
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  Dave Hamilton: because we like concerts.
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  Dave Hamilton: And last week we went and saw Train, Fish, Rush and Fish.
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  Dave Hamilton: And on during one of the days we went and saw The Outsiders on Broadway,
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  Dave Hamilton: because my friend Victor, who I first met when he was 17 years old,
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  Dave Hamilton: right over there in this room, he's been on Broadway with The Outsiders since day one.
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  Dave Hamilton: I'm so impressed with him. Yeah, it was really cool. Yeah, really cool.
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  Dave Hamilton: Very cool. But that's what we did last week, and it's fine.
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  Shannon Jean: It's because you own lifestyle businesses, and you get to have an amazing lifestyle.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's because I get to make those decisions, right? Of course,
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  Dave Hamilton: of course. I'm not answering to investors, and I have to work 80 hours a week and all that thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: And there's upside to that, too, obviously. Yeah, that's right.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's right. But the lifestyle business, it's not a bad thing, but...
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  Dave Hamilton: Not all lifestyle businesses are equal. So the metric that kind of came to mind
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  Dave Hamilton: was that as long as you as the owner of the lifestyle business see unlimited upside,
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  Dave Hamilton: then you've got something that you can work with.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, and you get to define it. Yes. The thing about what I love about lifestyle
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  Shannon Jean: businesses is just that.
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  Shannon Jean: Okay, it's situational, right?
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  Shannon Jean: And there's seasons in your life when, like, you made a comment in the first
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  Shannon Jean: segment about stepping back because you wanted to be there when you were raising your kids.
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  Shannon Jean: Well, you get to do that. And so then later, when your kids maybe aren't around
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  Shannon Jean: or they don't need you quite as much.
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  Dave Hamilton: Dig in a little more.
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  Shannon Jean: You can put your foot on the pedal.
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  Dave Hamilton: Or just go to concerts.
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  Shannon Jean: Either one. That or both or whatever.
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  Dave Hamilton: Or both. That's the thing. Especially nowadays with all the tech that we have.
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  Dave Hamilton: I mean, I didn't, like, I still worked last week. I didn't record shows because
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  Dave Hamilton: I've certainly done it. We've done shows when you're in a hotel room,
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  Dave Hamilton: and when I'm in a hotel room, it's fine. If we can avoid it, it's better.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I think so. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: But otherwise.
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  Shannon Jean: But yeah, it is that,
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  Shannon Jean: I don't,
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I mean, having a lot of money is great. Don't get me wrong.
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  Shannon Jean: And that's awesome. And it's a great rubric and it knows how to do.
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  Shannon Jean: However, the flexibility,
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  Shannon Jean: is the most valuable thing to chase. And I think the way you get the most flexibility
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  Shannon Jean: in your life is you focus on the value you're adding to other people.
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  Shannon Jean: And if you can think along those two,
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  Shannon Jean: you know uh balance yourself among that like,
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  Shannon Jean: put more value more value yep you're going to build more flexibility into your
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  Shannon Jean: life yeah and i'm not talking just about your customers i'm talking about your
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  Shannon Jean: employees your contractors your suppliers you need to be the center of the value uh,
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  Shannon Jean: system you know and and if you drive all that it really works.
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  Dave Hamilton: But it has to have unlimited it upside and i say this because
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  Dave Hamilton: you could go online and create a scenario where you are creating value for lots
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  Dave Hamilton: of other people and getting zero dollars for it right there's the whole internet
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  Dave Hamilton: famous you know but broke kind of
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  Shannon Jean: Thing yeah that's that's true be.
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  Dave Hamilton: Aware i and i know if
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  Shannon Jean: You're undervaluing yeah you're spot on is a lot of people they they're focused
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  Shannon Jean: on that value value value they get that part giving it but they don't value
• 19:23
  Shannon Jean: themselves as much gotta.
• 19:24
  Dave Hamilton: Bring it back
• 19:25
  Shannon Jean: You gotta bring it back they don't tell you uh,
• 19:29
  Shannon Jean: uh we're gonna this is not our friday i episode but you should come back because
• 19:32
  Shannon Jean: i have a comment about value and using ai and and listening to,
• 19:37
  Shannon Jean: yeah we'll talk more about that but it's really a good point and you're right
• 19:41
  Shannon Jean: it does have to have that unlimited upside it's got it if it doesn't,
• 19:46
  Shannon Jean: you just have to figure out how to tweak it.
• 19:48
  Dave Hamilton: That's it if you start by creating value for other people then you can work
• 19:54
  Dave Hamilton: on the upside like there's yeah there's always a way always a way i
• 19:57
  Shannon Jean: Agree i agree man thanks.
• 19:59
  Dave Hamilton: For hanging out everybody um make sure yes come back friday because we've got
• 20:03
  Dave Hamilton: some good things on friday i of course um
• 20:06
  Dave Hamilton: I would love to hear from you. It's interesting. I go, whenever I'm out in the
• 20:12
  Dave Hamilton: world at a place where we all are, and I mean you as our listeners and us,
• 20:17
  Dave Hamilton: you know, me or Shannon or sometimes both,
• 20:20
  Dave Hamilton: you come up with very specific feedback and comments, and I love hearing it.
• 20:25
  Dave Hamilton: We get very little email from you. I know you're out there, though,
• 20:29
  Dave Hamilton: because you're there. So I'm curious as to why. I have theories as to why,
• 20:34
  Dave Hamilton: but I'd love to hear why you don't email us more often.
• 20:38
  Dave Hamilton: And you can do that. You can send us that note at feedback at businessbrain.show.
• 20:44
  Dave Hamilton: So please do that.
• 20:46
  Shannon Jean: Yeah, it's great. And what's the takeaway.
• 20:48
  Dave Hamilton: From today's show? Oh, the big takeaway. I hit the button before we got to the
• 20:51
  Dave Hamilton: big takeaway. What is the big takeaway, Shannon? Huh.
• 20:56
  Shannon Jean: I think that it's what, if you should try that experiment of stopping.
• 21:01
  Shannon Jean: Yes. And see what happens when you do nothing.
• 21:05
  Shannon Jean: Sure. That's my takeaway. Yeah. I think that's really important in the board-tier experiment.
• 21:09
  Dave Hamilton: I like it.
• 21:10
  Shannon Jean: It can be scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then let us know. Feedback at businessbrain.show.
• 21:14
  Shannon Jean: Let us know how it works out.
• 21:16
  Dave Hamilton: I love it. All right. That's it. Folks.
• 21:18
  Shannon Jean: Thanks, folks.
• 21:19
  Dave Hamilton: We'll see you on Friday.
• 21:21
  Shannon Jean: See ya.
• 21:22
  Dave Hamilton: Later.