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Issue 326: Obi-Wan Kenobi: Part IV · Aggressive Negotiations: A Star Wars Podcast

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Hello, then, welcome to the note polity. Hi, this is Nick
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Nastasu, story editor on Star Wars, The Clone Wars and Star Wars bad
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Batch, and you are listening to aggressive negotiations all the way from Jabeem to
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Star Wars galaxy far far away. I am one of your humble hosts,
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Jedi Master John Mills. And without further introduction, because he doesn't need any
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introduction because he's out there, he's taken names and kicking Star destroyers, it
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is Jedi Master Matthew Rushing. Matt Welcome here. We are continuing our rewatch,
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our anniversary recap of the Obi Wan Kenobi series that aired on Disney Plus.
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We did a commentary last week. We decided this week we're just going
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to do a talk because we got feelings about this one. So here we
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are Obi Wan Kenobe Series Chapter four. But yeah, lots of plenty of
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feelings before we get to that. Remember everybody the nerdparty dot com slash contact,
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find the network at joy nerd Party on Twitter, the Nerd Party on Facebook
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and Instagram. So, Matt, here we are. I got through that
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preamble as quickly as possible. Here we are. We had good feelings coming
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out of the last episode. The ending was a little clunky. Ending was
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a little clunky, but we were feeling better about the way things were going.
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We're like, all right, we're finding a groove here. We got
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Vader Vaders being terrifying, we're bringing the fear factor back with this, and
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we're coming into episode four. We agreed we're both a little jazz for this,
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and we come out of the gate and we pop right back in and
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we go through our recap, We go through all of this stuff and we're
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back with Obi Wan as we hit the ground running with this, we've done
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our rewatch. Does the opening of this episode keep the momentum going from the
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last episode? Does it amp it up in any way? Like? Are
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we treading water? How did you feel about how we opened as we pushed
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forward into this chapter. You know, as as we got into this chapter,
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you know, the whole aspect of building off of what had happened the
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previous episode, and you know the fact that obi Wan is injured, and
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not only is the injured, but he's injured pretty badly, you know,
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to the point where they are going to have to put him in a back
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to tank so he can hopefully recover. And you know, I found that
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to be pretty effective, and I think especially to the way in which we
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were mirroring that with you know, Anakin being in his tank. And I
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thought, you know, this is this is a great way to continue I
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think, connecting these two people together and the the way in which you know,
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obi Wan and Anakin here are still mirrors for each other. Um.
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You know, they're they're battered and bruised and beaten people. UM. And
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the experiences that they had before they still carry with them, and UM,
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we see how it's still affecting them. You know, I think we do
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an effective job of of of that here with this opening. I thought that
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they did a really nice job of allowing us to I think could just really
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feel the moment and that it is Um. You know this this might sound
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weird, but so I came away from this whole section really struck by the
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way in which this seemed to help explain a really strange thing, which maybe
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you'll think I'm weird for going here, but Obi Wan aged a lot in
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this series, you know, from when he was on tattooing to now and
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then you know, all the way to the episode four, and I was
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just really struck by that. This kind of helps explain, I think,
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very much as to why Obi one does look the age that he does.
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By the time we get there, you know, this guy has been through
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the ringer and you know he's been tortured, so all of these things.
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I was just thinking, there's a lot came into my mind with this,
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and to me, I found it to be an effective opening for this episode,
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mainly because I think what it did is it continued the emotion that we
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felt from the previous episode, you know, and to me that's the most
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important thing, because I felt like that episode finally really tapped into the emotion
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that we wanted to be feeling with Anakin facing off against Obi one again and
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it not going well for one, feeling so weak and helpless really at this
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point, and so all of that work for me. I'm really interested to
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know, though, did this work for you? Did you feel like coming
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into this episode that it had continued the momentum that you know, it had
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carried with it from that third episode. I think it erased actually some of
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the misstep of the ending of the last episode. Nice, Okay, it
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picks up and it brings you back into it. And even if you know
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I love the fact and I know I harp on this, I love the
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idea that what happens is when you have the next chapter in any story,
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if you're coming into it cold, you should be able to pick up what's
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going on and you're able to pick up what's going on here. And the
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only thing I might have, like just being a nitpicky sort of mindset,
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is I might have layered in either some audio or even some flashes while he's
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in the back to tank of their fight on Moustafar to act as a,
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you know, a counterpoint to what was going on. But that's that's literally
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that's like a cloud talking sort of thing. Because I think it was very
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effective what they did in giving this sense that Vader and obi Wan are sensing
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each other while they're having this collective nightmare, and it's sort of like obi
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Wan now understands the nightmare that Vader is continually living later is seeing that fight
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on Moustafar in his brain all the time, and now obi Wan has this
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fight in his brain all the time, and when he closes his eyes,
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he's going to remember the ass kicking that he got, and Vader is seeing
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it as he's going to be messed up forever now. In terms of obi
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Wan aging, I always always love to point out that Alec Ginnis, I
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think, turned sixty on set, so he was not as old as everybody
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thinks he was. It's just he was carrying himself with that stiff upper lip
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British meaner that makes everybody seem like they're twenty years older than they actually are.
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Yeah, but I like you backing into sort of the reasoning there where
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it's like, you know, obi Wan really had it rough, and that
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that's going to take its toll and maybe accelerate the hard times that he's going
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to show. I like it. I could work with that. What I
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wonder though, is how you felt about whether it maintains that momentum coming out
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of it. Because we you know, we show up at the Secret Base,
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we get this, we get introduced to a new character who's an interesting
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character. I'm instantly like, oh, okay, this guy's interesting. Roken
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right, that that was his name? Yeah, I always had trouble.
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I always want to say Roku and I'm like, no, no, no,
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that's the thing, streaming stuff, It's Roken. But I thought he
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was an interesting character. I was immediately like, Okay, I like this
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guy, like his story. Okay, I like, you know, the
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story of his wife and everything, right, but of course we have to
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just let's just embrace it head on. Does it maintain that momentum as it
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shifts away to the other story of Reva with Leia I have I have a
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perhaps surprising answer, but I want to know as we're establishing the Riva and
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Leiah, does that work for you as we go back to them and we
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know we're not focused on Kenobi. One of the things that I felt like
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that this episode did with that storyline is that I felt that the Reva performance
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was better in this episode. And I also felt like that this helps us
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see the reason that Leia herself. We already know she's special, right,
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we know who she is. I loved how this connected with Star Wars and
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that she has a strong resistance to the mind probe, right, and so
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this plays directly into that, as you know, Reva's trying to read young
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Leiah's mind and she says, you know, you have a strong mind.
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And I think, to me, that was something that was great about this
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part of the storyline is that it really did actually feel like it was it
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was connecting with what came before, but it was also allowing little bits about
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Reva's past, I think, to creep into the storyline, which I thought
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was well done. It's not ham fisted or I feel like overshadowing anything here,
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but I think it was just doing an effective job of reminding us of
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what you know, we saw at the very beginning, is that this person
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was somebody who had been part of the Jedi Order. She had been a
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youngling, and she had felt abandoned. And so all of the conversations here
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with Leia really interesting because she's really just talked to herself, and she's trying
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to use all the rationale that she's used on herself over the years to talk
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herself into what she's doing, and she's trying to use it on Leia and
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it's just not working. And I think that's really interesting and much better.
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I think character play than we've seen so far with this storyline or with this
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character, So that's kind of how I took it. I agree, and
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I think that this scene is why you saw the casting for Riva and Leia
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pay off. For all of the issues we might have had up to this
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point in certain scenes, this is where it pays off, and you're like,
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Okay, yes, they cast them for this type of interaction, and
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they've got chemistry, and I applaud them both for working well together. I
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think an added layer to probing Leia's mind and having her besistant would then play
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in to the original Star Wars, because when Vader has a shot at Leia,
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he skips all the pleasantries and goes straight to trying to weaken her with
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doctor ball MD, as they said on Real Chicken. But in terms of
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Vader doesn't sit there and try to sweet talk her before trying the mind probe.
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He's like, Okay, look, I already know you're strong because I
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got that report from Riva, so I'm just gonna jab you with this and
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try to make you and that makes it seem when Vader then says her resistance
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to mindprobe, like at that point, he's like Okay, we took a
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crack at this kid ten years ago. I cheated this time and used drugs
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on top of the force, and she still had a strong mind. This
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actually winds up building up Leia's mythos for the rest. So that does exactly
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what these sorts of things should do, which is add the layer. I
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love it, So we actually both wind up loving that scene. How do
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you think that the break in works? Do you think that is effective?
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When the way that obi Wan is broken into the inquisitorious? So I think
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that that part works relatively well. I think that again, us using the
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fact that Tala is a spy. You know, she had been a part
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of the empire. She's got these credentials, we're going to use them plays
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into much of what we saw with the rebellion, them using technology that they
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had stolen and you know, codes that they had stolen and all these kind
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of things. So I think all of that works really well. And I
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really this is the thing. There's just a couple of nitpicks that I have.
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You know, when they're at the base and the Jabeem when they first
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get there, right when they land the ship, it feels like a base
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there's lots of people there. This is a place where movement is happening,
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A lot's happening. And then the rest of the scenes that we have there
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very strange because there's almost nobody in the scenes, which didn't seem to make
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as much sense. Now I know this is the headquarters and so but it
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still felt like you've only got like five people in this room. It seems
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a little bit strange. And so that's the thing that really stuck out to
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me the most in this section, not so much the plan being dumb or
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not working for me. It's just some like little nitpicky things that just kind
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of bothered me a little bit. It's funny you say that, because the
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thing that I really latched on this time because having the benefit of like the
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rewatch and able to put my finger on it this time, and this again
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goes back to the changed protocols for COVID and all of that type of stuff
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that we're going on at the time, is there are a lot of people
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walking around with no clear destination of where to go. When we're on the
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Death Star. In the original Star Wars, people are walking down hallways and
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I understand I'm going from this part of the hallway to that part of the
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hallway. We have people touching panels, we have people in different groups moving
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around. The hallways are a little tighter, Okay, but I get it
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right. We want to be wide open, and it also makes the inquisitorious
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a very weird place, which it should be. I like that, right.
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It would have been nice to see people walking two things, because we
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see when she lands, when Tala lands, Yeah there are stormtroopers walking everywhere,
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but I'm not exactly sure where they're walking too or why. It looks
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like it's just busy work. And so it starts to falter and when she
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goes in, have that wide open space, But would it have killed you
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to have a couple of terminals on the side so it would look like people
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were walking two things ahead of the security gate. And that goes into and
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I think this is something they could have leaned into, even with the changed
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protocols or whatever that they're they're under at the time, is to actually have
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cubicles when she's at the station that she sits down at. Yes, you
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could have erected walls. Then you could have used digital trickery to overpopulate that
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section and the presence of a wall, a divider of some sort would have
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given her cover to be talking the way that she was, because that's where
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it really breaks down for me, is she's sitting at this terminal and she's
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talking in the open, and it's like, how is anybody not piecing together
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that something's off about this? Like if I'm sitting at a library basically,
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and somebody's talking and I hear somebody like, all right, I'm opening the
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door so that you can go down this thing, and like you're opening the
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what now? I heard that I'm sitting right over here, Whereas if there's
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a cubicle wall, I'm like, okay, I can buy that somebody might
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not have heard that. Yeah, I was you know, I thought about
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that too here in the rewatch thinking through this scene, and I I was
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kind of thinking to myself, you know, if you have one of these
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kind of open terminals or whatever, and you know, we know these calm
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units that people use in Star Wars are pretty innocuous people have them, and
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so I was rationalizing in my head that it's not that weird that she would
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be talking to somebody, you know, and you know, relaying information and
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all that kind of stuff. But I absolutely see what you're saying, and
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I think that it's one of those things to which you're one hundred percent right.
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You know, I think that the INQUISITORI is base itself. When we
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were walking into that that classified section, it does seem a little bit strange
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that there are not more like barriers other than this thing you have to walk
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through. I think that would have all been great to see just a little
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bit more set design there. And I think the idea of you know,
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these being like specially partitioned library units because we're in a classified area would again
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make more sense, right, Um, even a library room, you know,
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in the sense that you have this you remember those uh like microfiche rooms
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and stuff you used to have in a library, you know, and it
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had a door and you got so you know, you could be looking at
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things you didn't you know, necessarily want to have everybody know you're looking at.
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So no, no, I don't mean like naughty stuff. But I'm
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just saying like, as you're researching in all this charity, didn't match,
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didn't everybody knows what you're talking anyway, Yeah, so I agree with you,
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Um, but for the most part, I think that this works pretty
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well, and you know, I think, you know, one of the
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things that actually really works about this storyline in this episode is the fact that
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this whole thing really we've had this broken obi Wan kenobi right, and this
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is the episode where we've seen him use the force. He used it to
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save lay Up, but he's struggled with it so far. And here I
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think they do a great job of just like you know, it's it's it's
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do or do not. There is no try because Obi Wan must do all
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of the things he needs to do with the force in this episode or they
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would have been caught. And so it just forces him to be able to
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do that thing instinctively that he used to be able to and it's really fun,
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I think, and Gregor really sells it with the way in which slowly
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the lightsaber movements get more fluid, you know, and everything starts to take
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on and ease that he used to have. And I think all of that
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is just so great about this episode and exactly what you would hope the story
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would be doing at this point, because we're in the fourth episode. There's
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only two more after this. Real credit to Chow because that is a director
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knowing how to build and not bringing Obi Wan right back to immediacy with his
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powers. I'll take the cheap shot. It's not the sequels where all of
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a sudden you're a Jedi master level. It shows that there is effort,
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skill and practice that's necessary. And additionally, it plays into Vader saying again
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in the original Star Wars, your powers are week old man. Obi Wan's
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out of practice again when he gets to that point and he's a little bit
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more comfortable and resigned to it. He's using old age and subterfuge to get
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around and use little bits of skills that he has. But this is the
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retired fighter. He's not really at the top of his game. It's always
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how the film is read, but this supports that very very much. The
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one thing that I viewing at this time is when he breaks in, there
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is a part of me that wonders why he doesn't don the Stormtrooper uniform of
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the person he knocks out, because that seems like it would have made a
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lot of sense and also solved some of the things with the episode of him
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sneaking around because he can blend in. And then you have another mirror with
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Star Wars because Luke is in stormtrooper uniform looking for Leia, and you know,
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again it's armchair quarterbacking. I wasn't there. It works fine the way
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that it does, but I also thought it would have been really neat if
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when he goes in to get Leia we get an image of essentially what Macquarie
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originally painted, which was a stormtrooper with a lightsaber. How neat would that
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have been to see? And he whips out the lightsaber, he chops them
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up, and Laya's still freaking out and he has to take his helmet off
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and he's like, no, no, no, it's me. It's Ben.
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It's Ben, It's Ben, and he has it right, like right.
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But again, I'm not trying to rewrite the thing. I think that
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it works the way that it does. But I still think that's one of
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those little tweaks that I wish I could have been a birdie on somebody's shoulder
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and said, you know, he didn't shoot that guy. He could have
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taken his armor, just just saying do you think that would have helped alleviate
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some of the no I think issues. I think that's actually a really great
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idea. I think what it does is again, you know, when I
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think these stories are at their best or when they're alluding to all of that
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type of stuff, right, you know. I think that's one of the
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things that we all really gravitated towards the Rebels series with is that so many
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of the designs we had seen them before that they just had been unused.
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Ralph mcquarie are you know, and making those come to life because they finally
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found a place where they fit. And I think that this could have been
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a place for that. You know. It's it's interesting because it I feel
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as though by choosing to not have him like done the armor, one of
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the things that it does is again I think it accentuates the fact that Obi
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Wan's out of practice. You know, we've seen him in the Clone Wars
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take on Disguises, right, and I think here what we're seeing is a
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guy who he's really flying by the seat of his pants at this moment.
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Yes, his power is starting to come back and the force, his comfort
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and ease level with that, and yet I don't think he's quite yet at
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the top of his game, just when it comes to his general thought process,
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you know about everything. Um, you know, this is still not
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there will be one Kenobi from the Clone Wars at this point, and so
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I think it's a great point. It would have been really cool. But
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of course, you know, it also allows them to do what they need
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to do in the sense of, yeah, they have to find a way
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out. And then he does dawn to disguise, which allows him to cover
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up lay enough, which it's a little silly because it's you jump, You
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jumped right there, Okay, because I love the way that there's actually somebody
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here on the network. Tristan Riddell, founder of the Nerdparty dot com,
23:45
and he he basically sent me a meme at the time that it was like
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a Scooby Doo episode at that point, and I have to agree, there's
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so many more elegant ways they could have done it. And again, what
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was odd about the staging is the alarms going off and everybody on that landing
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platform is still just walking, and they just seem to be like walking in
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these aimless sort of like pinball lines, and I'm like, nobody's running.
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You don't use digital duplicates to make a column of stormtroopers running off down a
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hallway. You don't have people like that is a that speaks to me of
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scrambling to adapt to the protocols but not taking the extra two hours to say,
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however, we do have certain tricks at our disposal that they used even
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all the way back in the Young Indiana Jones chronicles. To turn five people
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into twenty what we could turn two people into ten, And especially if they're
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an armor, we could all have the marching and make it look like there's
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a base. That's all. You know. Everybody's throwing their barriers up,
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everything's closing things down or even shouting at each other. But everybody seems too
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nonchalant during this moment while the alarms are going off. Okay, so we
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agree on that. Could not agree with you more. But I am desperately
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seeking something for us to disagree on, and I think I have it now.
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Okay, I keep taking a swing and a miss here. The Jedi
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trapped in amber don't have a problem with it. I think it's kind of
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cool that Podawan and training armor. I need you to ameliorate that for me,
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because I'm seeing a bunch of people where I can see not necessarily as
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Jedi, and there they might have just been forced users. They found they're
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trapped in amber. I look at it, I see the amber. I
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think, oh, okay, they're they're doing like cloning stuff. They're trying
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to like this is tying into that larger cloning sort of thing that we know
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they have to work into the lore because what happens with the sequels, Okay,
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kind of cool, kind of cool. But the kid in the training
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gear it I have something I'm trying to write in my head that makes it
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make sense after this viewing, I think I have it, but I want
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to know what your explanation is. I mean, I didn't actually a think
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anything of it when I saw it, So this is an interesting conversation to
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have to me. Though, if I think about it, it almost feels
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like Vader's first prize, right that in some way Vader is proud of what
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he did, so proud that he's put it on display in the inquisitorious base.
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And I would argue that two, as I think about the idea that
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this is a place for the inquisitors themselves, that it's also and so many
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of them used to be a form of Jedi. This whole room is a
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reminder of what will happen if you cross Vader in the Emperor, and so
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therefore every single person in this room that was a Jedi that's there and or
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a Padawan is a reminder. I don't care who you are, what you've
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done. I will straight up murder you if I have to, if you
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get in my way. So that's how I would take it. I take
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it in a slightly different direction. First, all of them there, I
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see his potential science experiments. But additionally, not just as a warning,
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but just like Vader's castle being built on Mustafar, he is forced continually to
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see, this is what you did. Don't ever think yes that you can
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be who you were. This is who you are. You can't go back
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right look at everything that you've done. And that's the thing that always traps
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somebody and makes them not seek redemption, as they say, I'm not good
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enough. I can't I can't be redeemed. I'm me. Look at these
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terrible things that I've done. And that would make a lot of sense to
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torture Vader, to torture the inquisitors themselves and be like, this is who
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you are. You don't have anywhere to go this, embrace who you are
28:11
and just stay in the dark side right with the Potawan and specific in my
28:18
head, and I hope they never do anything to overwrite this. In my
28:22
head, it speaks to the idea that the Emperor was at this before the
28:26
Clone Wars were over, which we know he was with capturing kids and taking
28:33
them to Moustafar originally. And I would see this as a kid maybe that
28:40
I don't know, cad Baane grabbed for him and he couldn't do anything with
28:44
him, so or he died in the process. Fine, why does the
28:47
kid still have the helmet on? I don't know, because he you know,
28:51
that's how he was delivered or something like that. So that's how I
28:56
see the kid. What I like about it is there's no forthright explanation.
29:02
And I think some of the coolest things in Star Wars are those things where
29:06
you and I can have this sort of conversation and you say, oh,
29:08
well this x Y and Z, and I'm like, you know what,
29:11
I can see that. But for me x Y and Z. I think
29:15
that that's what makes that scene work very very well. And I think McGregor
29:18
plays the horror of it very well. Yeah, I like that completely.
29:23
And I think you know, one of the things that was so terrifying about
29:29
watching the episode, even the first time, is when you see that you
29:33
know, Terriss and Ube is in there, and you know, and it
29:36
just kind of breaks your heart because it's a great deep cut for all of
29:40
those of us to watch the Clone Wars and had this amazing character that we'd
29:44
kind of fallen in love with even though they had only been in a few
29:47
episodes. Well, and I think the idea that you know, these YETI
29:55
are there for Palpatine to be able to use Possi in the future with his
30:00
cloning experience experiments makes complete sense. And I like the idea you know two
30:07
of you know, maybe cad Bane taking someone. We saw that and Children
30:10
of the Forest there in the Clone Wars exactly. And so I think that's
30:14
a great poll there. And it's one of those things where it's like,
30:17
however they all got here? There are probably multiple ways you could think of
30:22
in your mind that this you know, that they got captured, right,
30:26
you know what, I just realized, Oh my gosh, and this would
30:30
be such a cool story because one of the things I'm like, oh,
30:32
okay, so they were hunting down potential Jedi and stuff like that. I'm
30:36
like, but that's kind of a big task. I've realized as we're sitting
30:37
here having this conversation. Once they took the Jedi temple, they would have
30:41
had access to those records of four sensitive children. Oh yes, yeah,
30:45
and they could have spent years because those kids were never found sort of thing.
30:51
And that would could even be Rokan's wife. They intended to go get
30:55
her, yes, great point yep, but they didn't. I mean,
30:57
I'm sure he's too old or something like that. But the name would have
31:03
been on record somewhere, and so these kids would have been immediately marked for
31:11
the pogrom that the Empire goes on. And oh see that, Yeah that
31:17
works. That's a story I want somewhere. Yeah. No, I think
31:19
that's a great poll. You know. One of the things that I thought
31:22
was great about the episode here too, is that the you know, we
31:26
introduced this character Tala in the previous episode, and here I think she really
31:33
becomes such a great character as the way that she plays the third sister here,
31:41
you know, with her knowledge and you know, playing the fact of
31:45
course I'm a spy, you know, and all of that. I think
31:49
it's so well done, and it really really works, and justin the you
31:55
know, two episodes that she's been on screen, she's become I think,
31:59
a real interesting character that I want to know more about, and I end
32:05
you know, I am connected to, which is great work. It's really
32:10
interesting because I think that this episode, even though there are bits that maybe
32:16
could have been better here or there, we've talked about the staging. We've
32:20
talked about that stuff up to a certain point, like this is the episode
32:23
where I'm like, Okay, it's paying off. Okay, my patient's paid
32:27
off. Great, We're really there. But let's go back to the one
32:31
huge problem we both know we have. That speed or attack staging never ever
32:39
should have happened the way that it did. And I remember in the first
32:45
time I saw it. I remember this time I saw it. When they
32:49
fly in firing, my thought isn't oh cool. My thought is where the
32:53
hell are they going to go? And I never see them fly out,
32:58
and I know, okay, well that's a that's implied. Obviously they turned
33:04
to the side and got away before you know, after their first strafing run.
33:08
And maybe people think I'm too childish and simple for this, but I
33:15
need that shot of them flying out because the visual language is they flew in
33:20
firing and then they just evaporated until they needed to show up again. And
33:24
that is a major major violation of film language in general, but also especially
33:34
Lucas and Feloni school. I need to know where they went. I need
33:38
to know where they're going. I need that plotted out on a map so
33:42
that every time it cuts, I can say, I know where that speeder
33:45
is right now. So when I go back and I rewatch it, where
33:47
did that speeder turn? Where did that speeder come back? How did that
33:51
speeder get there? Where did that speeder go afterward? And this is magical
33:57
speeders that show up where they need to various points, and that bothers me?
34:02
Does it bother you as much as it bothers me? So it does,
34:07
And especially rewatching it now, you know those speeders come in and it's
34:12
almost like they just seem to hover. Yes, And that wouldn't be a
34:17
problem for me if you actually just showed them hovering there, you know,
34:22
any kind of shot there. And I think, aside from the visual que
34:31
editing issues, it just looks bad, like the the the effects work here
34:39
is not great. It's it's real cheesy I mean that shot of Riva going
34:46
up against the speeder just looks silly, the way it's composited and shot,
34:52
and it just it's not working. There's something about it that looks off.
34:59
The other thing, how does Obi, wan, Leia and Tala all fit
35:07
into the back of one of those speeders. Where in the world is the
35:09
space for that? Well, these are different speeders than the ones we saw.
35:21
I get what you're saying. These are different speeders than the ones on
35:23
howth they were adapting those speeders. I'll let it slide this time because I
35:30
have to. I don't want that to be the thing that ruins it.
35:36
What struck me this time is that the other two inquisitors never seem to take
35:46
aggressive action, even though they both hate Reva. They both want to usurp
35:51
Reva. They hate They just want are gone. But Reva's the one that
35:57
throws the battery. I guess it blows up Wade. If the fifth brother
36:04
is that piste, why doesn't he walking up? I was like, what
36:07
are you letting him get away? And he throws a whole bank of him
36:10
out there. Like the other inquisitors never take actual action that I would expect
36:16
them to take they this moment more than any other, really teases out the
36:24
fact, or not teases out, but you know, highlights the fact that
36:30
these two characters seem only to exist to interact with and talk about the shortcomings
36:37
of Reva. That they Pirsteve well, but they're just window dressing at that
36:44
point. That's no good to me. I want them doing things and taking
36:52
action and showing that they're trying to show Reva up. So final question,
36:59
then that's a problem. We get past it. How do they fit in
37:04
there? Okay, this is a different type of Speeder. I'll wave that
37:07
away in my brain. And so we're hitting the same sort of problem where
37:12
hey, we've got a stronger episode and then the end of it is sort
37:15
of unraveling a bit. Vader shows up at the end, and even at
37:22
the time, the way that it ends, I think the logical ending of
37:28
this is the Speeder's going away and Riva standing there almost as an echo of
37:35
Darth Maul watching Ana can fly away holding the saber and looking up Iris out
37:39
you're done. But then they bring Vader on. He doesn't kill Riva.
37:45
Doesn't the ending feel I know they're trying to set up the tracking thing.
37:53
But doesn't this ending feel like it should be the opening of the next episode.
37:59
I think that's a really good point, and I like it a lot.
38:05
I agree with you that it feels almost tacked on in that sense,
38:12
because if you wanted almost to do anything, you could have xed out all
38:15
of the Reva stuff and you could have had that moment where Obi one and
38:22
Leia are sitting there, You've got Tala on the other side, you know,
38:25
and have that moment and then that be the end. Do a shot
38:31
that includes Lola and so that in the next episode we can put all the
38:40
pieces together, right, So I think that's what I would do, you
38:45
know, have Reva standing there, show them get back, have their moment
38:50
of you know, morning, but then this connection with Leia and Obi one
38:55
where they formed this bond together, and that be the end of the episode.
39:00
I think that works better. And then it makes more sense for that
39:05
fifth episode to open with Vader coming in and be pissed, you know.
39:08
And yes, so that's great opening with Vader just storming in, And what
39:15
would be great about it is Vader's storming in and he is throwing people across
39:19
the room left and right, He's like running down hallways where like I'm on
39:27
guard anymore. I'm getting out of the way here, you know, or
39:30
or even have an officer come up and be like, lord Vada, We're
39:34
so please at you, and Vader just like throws him is like shut up
39:37
sort of thing. See, the two of us we sit here. This
39:42
is this is why Disney you need us to come on board this This show
39:47
acts as yet yet another calling card for us to say, we think we
39:53
have some good innovative ideas. We think we think that we could make a
39:58
good show even better, so on our way out. On a scale of
40:01
one to five, inquisitorious assists, is what are you rating the fourth chapter
40:08
of the Obi wan Kenobi series? I think that this is probably a three
40:14
point five maybe three point seven five, mainly because I think that the story
40:19
elements for Obi wan Kenobi are really strong in this episode. You know,
40:23
I'm knocking off those points though, because of all the things that we talked
40:27
about. But it does feel as though, you know, we're at the
40:30
fourth episode and things the trajectory is looking up for the series, and so
40:37
hopefully you know that will continue as we do the rewatch, where are you
40:39
John, where did your ratings change at all from the previous watch? I
40:45
don't really think so. I think probably three point five is where I would
40:50
land, But because I have so many problems with that ending, I'm not
40:52
going to go up to three point seven. Five have might come down to
40:54
three point three, which brings us the magic number thirty three and brings us
40:59
to the question Master Rushing of where people can find you online to discuss your
41:07
thoughts about the Obi Wan Kenobi series. Well, I hope people will check
41:12
me out online. I'd love to interact with you, whether that's Twitter,
41:15
Instagram, vero, or letterboxed all same name, Matt Rushing zero two.
41:22
You can also find me here on the network. I've got a completed show
41:24
I did with Drea Kaufman and we talked about every single chapter of Harry Potter,
41:29
one chapter time, So check that out. It's called owl Post.
41:34
You'll find me over on the TFM network with a bunch of shows. The
41:37
six O two Club is my main place to hang out talking about all of
41:40
the fanoms that we love. John's a frequent guests over there. We have
41:45
a lot of fun to check that out. You can also find me over
41:47
on a few other shows there, Literary Treks, The orb or five,
41:52
Artificial Tango, and Saddle Up. But John, you know, maybe people
41:57
are like I like this John guy. He has good story ideas, which
42:00
is shocking. Where can they find you? Well, boy, would it
42:02
be shocking if anybody even reached out to me on Twitter. I'm just killing
42:06
some of you do some of you do? I know you do. I
42:08
appreciate you. I appreciate all of you because honestly, I don't care if
42:12
I get a thousand replies or whatever. It's the meaningful quality content that keep
42:17
this guy that's on many shadow pants and blocklists perfectly happy. You can find
42:22
me as Kessel Junkie, you know, look for me over on letterbox.
42:27
I have a lot of fun there, trashing classic nineteen eighties movies that everybody
42:30
tells me I should love because you don't tell me what to do. And
42:32
again, I mean it's okay because don't start it. Yeah, okay,
42:38
I'm sorry. I won't say anything about the never ending story because we might
42:42
never end this podcast. I'm right about it. No, you are?
42:44
You are? I'm backing you up there. No, yeah, my brother
42:50
in I will get kicked in the Teeth by somebody someday for our views on
42:54
the never ending story. So go on over and check that out over on
42:58
house Lights, which is a director podcast. Imagine a podcast talking about films
43:02
and directors. Nobody's heard anything like it, and that's right here on the
43:07
Network with Tristan Riddell and Darren Moser. But Master Rushing, I feel like
43:13
I could need to get into a dry set of robes, so it's probably
43:15
time to close these negotiations. Well, John, hopefully you find the detergent.
43:21
I think Yoda use it all. But negotiations are closed. Join the
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Revolution, Join the Nerd Party.