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Chuck & Buck 12-11 Hour 3: 12th Man Roundtable with Hugh Millen and gregg Bell · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: Eight o'clock hour here on this Thursday time for the
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Speaker 1: twelfth Man Roundtable. They're much anticipated weekly or twelfth Man
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Speaker 1: Roundtable with our Seahawks insider Greg Bell and of course our.
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Speaker 2: QB one Hugh Millon.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, I thought about throwing Hugh Millan on Tuesday
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Speaker 1: and Wednesday when.
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Speaker 2: I heard about this Philip Rivers story.
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Speaker 1: And I'm kind of glad we have preserved the Thursday
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Speaker 1: roundtable to hear hughes reaction to Philip Rivers trying to
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Speaker 1: get go this Sunday at age forty four against the
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Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks. So certainly that's where we'll start this hour.
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Speaker 1: But a lot of things to discuss Seahawks getting ready
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Speaker 1: for the Colts, not just with our QB one, but
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Speaker 1: with our Seahawks insider Greg Bill as well.
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Speaker 2: Ashley Ryant's here. Bucky is not here.
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Speaker 1: Everything's okay, but he just needed to be on the
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Speaker 1: home front. He's got a rising river, uh and certainly
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Speaker 1: understandable that just in case there does occur an emergency,
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Speaker 1: that he'll be there to help his wife deal with
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Speaker 1: it and his children. So no Bucky today, he should
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Speaker 1: be back with us tomorrow. Let's get things started here
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Speaker 1: on the roundtable. Good morning, gentlemen, Good morning.
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Speaker 3: All right. You can we start, Hugh? Can we start
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Speaker 3: by asking did the Colts call you?
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Speaker 2: The Colts call you?
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Speaker 4: They wouldn't have called me when I was twenty four.
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Speaker 3: I'm not too sure.
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Speaker 4: I'm not just pretty shocking. It's pretty shocking, right, Are.
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Speaker 2: You sure you you can't give it a go?
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Speaker 4: Well, well, I'm sixty two. Uh sock.
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Speaker 3: It might have been next. It might have been next.
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Speaker 3: As I understand that the Colts, their GM and their
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Speaker 3: head coach, Saint Sticher, we're in the tunnel in Jacksonville
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Speaker 3: after that loss of the Jaguars, after their rookie quarterback
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Speaker 3: came up and said, you know, I thought something in
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Speaker 3: my need and then they tested it and found that
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Speaker 3: it was a m C L on top of Daniel
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Speaker 3: Jones's achilles in the same game. And they were in
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Speaker 3: that tunnel saying, well, what about Rivers? And the coach said,
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Speaker 3: do you think he'd do it? And then they called
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Speaker 3: him and said, oh, let's give it a try, And
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Speaker 3: that's how it started. But that's I mean, who knows
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Speaker 3: you might have been the next one calling.
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Speaker 4: I'll tell you the guy that top of mind for
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Speaker 4: me in that regard is Brett Ribbon. I mean, what
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Speaker 4: does this stand Brett Ribbon? You know, he's of age
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Speaker 4: and healthy and been in the camp. I mean, that's
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Speaker 4: just that that's got to be very humbling for Ripping
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Speaker 4: to experience all of this, that that that they feel
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Speaker 4: that that Philip Rivers is the preferred option in this.
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Speaker 4: You know, look, I'll preface it. You know, Philip Rivers
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Speaker 4: is a thoroughbread He's going to Hall of Fame. I
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Speaker 4: was just, you know, a hack trying to make my
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Speaker 4: way around. But I have a little bit of parallel
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Speaker 4: to it because I coached high school football after you know,
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Speaker 4: while I was near that age where I was, I
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Speaker 4: think I was at youth football at that time. So
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Speaker 4: I'd throw it around and what I would think for
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Speaker 4: him is a couple things. And I'm reminded of a
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Speaker 4: conversation I had with Jim Kelly. I remember Jim Kelly.
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Speaker 4: I was with the Patriots, he's with the Bills at
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Speaker 4: the time, and you know, later we had kind of
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Speaker 4: talked to him. He said he could remember that his
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Speaker 4: the velocity in his arm started really to drop at
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Speaker 4: at age thirty one thirty two and if you look
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Speaker 4: at his career log when he had five Pro bowls,
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Speaker 4: none after the age of thirty two, but at age
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Speaker 4: thirty he had one hundred and one passer rating, and
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Speaker 4: then at age thirty one he was at ninety eight,
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Speaker 4: then two. Although he made the Pro Bowl, his passworading
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Speaker 4: went from ninety eight to eighty one, and then from
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Speaker 4: that point on he was never above eighty five. My
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Speaker 4: point saying some people, you know, we I think we're
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Speaker 4: lulled into, you know, Tom Brady and all of his
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Speaker 4: accomplishments at an older age. I think it's very rare,
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Speaker 4: you know, And so I would think that the velocity
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Speaker 4: would be down, the quick quickness and the reaction. And
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Speaker 4: then another piece of that is his eyes in some way,
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Speaker 4: you know, if he's messing around with throwing seven on
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Speaker 4: seven or something, he's used to seeing high school size
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Speaker 4: guys and certainly the speed of high school guys. And
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Speaker 4: now he's got enough reps that he can bank that, well,
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Speaker 4: you know, it's gonna be a big step up. I
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Speaker 4: still think there's gonna be a portion of his of
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Speaker 4: his processing that's going to be like, WHOA, these guys
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Speaker 4: are really big and they're really fast, and you know,
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Speaker 4: just just by the by virtue of because I've heard
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Speaker 4: a lot of people say, well, you know, he hasn't
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Speaker 4: been out of shape. He's been you know, coach in
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Speaker 4: high school and he's throwing the ball around, you know,
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Speaker 4: you know, uh, you know, every once in a while,
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Speaker 4: I think with an injury or somebody. I took high
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Speaker 4: school seven on seven and man, I just you know,
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Speaker 4: it's like my body just didn't feel I felt like
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Speaker 4: I was weird in my drop. I didn't have velocity.
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I'm shocked that this is even a discussion.
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Speaker 2: Quite honestly, this is impossible right here, and then this.
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Speaker 3: Is per se I think.
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Speaker 4: I think Kurt Warner said he doesn't know because we
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Speaker 4: haven't seen enybody.
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Speaker 5: Trying to do this right right, but all your sensibilities,
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Speaker 5: I've watched guys in there in the middle of their
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Speaker 5: prime at thirty who missed two weeks and can't catch
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Speaker 5: back up for another couple of weeks.
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Speaker 4: How on earth you is he going to be able
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Speaker 4: to do this? Yeah, I look, he may be able to.
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Speaker 4: He's bound for the Hall of Fame. I mean, if
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Speaker 4: if he comes beat the Seattle Seahawks skip the five
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Speaker 4: year waiting period, put him in the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 4: Wednesday or no on a Friday. So right, if he.
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Speaker 3: Wins this, this would be the most stupendous performance by
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Speaker 3: a quarterback in NFL history. If he wins this game Sunday.
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Speaker 1: I don't even care there, I don't even care if
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Speaker 1: you get there's three defensive touchdowns and a punt return touchdown.
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Speaker 2: If he wins this game, it's just unbelievable.
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Speaker 3: No, it'd be the most remarkable thing the regular season
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Speaker 3: performance in NFL history. This should defy logic. There's no
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Speaker 3: way an NFL defense, especially Mike McDonald's the way it's
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Speaker 3: humming right now, can lose this game. And for Rivers
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Speaker 3: to be able to win this game out of five
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Speaker 3: years of retirement. You know, I know you're trying hard
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Speaker 3: to be self deprecating and not equate yourself to Rivers,
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Speaker 3: But can you even imagine from a personal standpoint of
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Speaker 3: just saying, you know what, I'll walk away from possible
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Speaker 3: enshrinement to canon. He's a semi finalist who could be
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Speaker 3: on the stage in Canton in July. I'm gonna walk
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Speaker 3: away from that and go play a game in Seattle
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Speaker 3: at Christmas time in the rain to try to save
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Speaker 3: this Colts team that I had nothing.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's absolutely a fair point. And I don't know
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Speaker 4: how important it is to him. Maybe he just figures, well,
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Speaker 4: if I'm in, I'll be in in five years. But
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Speaker 4: that's that's certainly a component to this. And and you know,
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Speaker 4: there's no guarantee, right, I don't think that he's in
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Speaker 4: slam dunk. He's a definite Hall of Famer. You know
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Speaker 4: it could he Could he in some odd way hurt
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Speaker 4: his legacy. I mean you'd say no, but if he
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Speaker 4: was literally you know, fifty points zero zero zero zero
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Speaker 4: zero one to make it and forty nine point what
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Speaker 4: you know, zero zero or nine nine nine not to
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Speaker 4: make it? Could could him come in out and having
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Speaker 4: a disaster. Could that tweet, you know, push one person's vote.
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't think so, but I don't know. It is odd.
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Speaker 4: That's another component that I'm sure he's considered. But you know,
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Speaker 4: I tip my hat to him if he says, hey,
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Speaker 4: you know, I don't care about that. If on one level,
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Speaker 4: it's kind of kind of unspired, not onspiring, but it's
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Speaker 4: kind of kind of a cool little statement. If that's
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Speaker 4: where he is.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I worry about his health. I worry about his health.
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Speaker 3: I worry about a two hundred and fifty five pounds
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Speaker 3: Derek Hall or a blitzing free, unblocked Leonard Williams smashing
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Speaker 3: a forty four year old guy who hasn't been hidden
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Speaker 3: five years. How's this boy to take? Yeah?
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Speaker 4: Well, I I couldn't agree more. You think of, okay,
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Speaker 4: the brain, you know, the spine, the most important parts
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Speaker 4: of him, you know. Would it shock me if twenty
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Speaker 4: five years from now people said, hey, the best way
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Speaker 4: you know to avert concussions? Here we have We have
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Speaker 4: far less practice and contact for players than we've ever had.
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Speaker 4: We the the helmets are vastly superior in terms of
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Speaker 4: their construction, and yet we have more concussions. Would it
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Speaker 4: shock me if in twenty five years a team neurologists
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Speaker 4: came out and said, you know, you gotta we made
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Speaker 4: a mistake back in the in the twenty tens because
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Speaker 4: the brain has to be calloused a little bit, and
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Speaker 4: they did a better job of averting concussions before because
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Speaker 4: they would hit a little bit and whatever the tissiud
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Speaker 4: needs to be callous to prevent concussions. You know, that
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Speaker 4: was kind of constantly being challenged because there was more hitting.
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Speaker 4: You know, he hasn't taken any hits in several years
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Speaker 4: and at forty four and so, so I don't you
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Speaker 4: know that connective you know, tissu. Obviously I'm not qualified
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Speaker 4: to speak in any any terms, but but it just
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Speaker 4: seems like like the brain, his brain hasn't been hit
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Speaker 4: in what five years now, Yeah, and now all of
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Speaker 4: a sudden, no training camp, and it won't be and
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Speaker 4: it won't be hit until Sunday, and then it might
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Speaker 4: get hit a lot.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: And you know, for a man with ten kids and
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Speaker 4: already has grandkids, that health concern, I'd love to know
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Speaker 4: what his wife is privately thinking about this.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he does sound like he's got the right approach.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's a I think he's as
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Speaker 1: much as people talk about his punishable face when he
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Speaker 1: played and the whining that took place, I think he's awesome.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I love his personality. I kind of love
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Speaker 1: his approach to life and everything else and his quirkiness
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Speaker 1: and the way that he puts things. And he sounds
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Speaker 1: like he's saying the right things, and he's going into
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Speaker 1: this with eyes wide open, at least from the podium.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, this is about as big a task as
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Speaker 1: you could face as an NFL player, maybe in history.
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Speaker 1: I'm curious, and Greg, I'll throw this to you. I mean,
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Speaker 1: Mike McDonald defensively preparing for this. I mean, you do, unfortunately,
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Speaker 1: have to be ruthless, do you not. I mean you
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Speaker 1: got to. You're trying to win a football game. You're
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Speaker 1: making sure that you don't get upset by Philip Rivers
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Speaker 1: in this in this game on Sunday, So you gotta
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Speaker 1: throw everything at this poor guy, don't you.
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Speaker 3: Oh? Absolutely. They aren't gonna come in and say, well,
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Speaker 3: let's let's take it. Oh, we're about to hit Rivers.
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Speaker 3: Let's not hit him because he hasn't been hitting five years.
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Speaker 3: Or let's not blitz him because he hasn't seen Blitzer.
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Speaker 3: And hey, let's not disguise what we've been doing all
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Speaker 3: season and moving em and worry around just to take
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Speaker 3: it easy on a legend. No, no, no, and no.
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Speaker 3: But McDonald said this is tricky because for him personally,
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Speaker 3: he said, I love overthinking things, and I could go
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Speaker 3: down a rabbit hole and chase down San Diego Chargers
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Speaker 3: film on this guy, and he said, I got to
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Speaker 3: refrain from doing that. He said, what I really need
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Speaker 3: to do is stick with what the Colts and Sane
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Speaker 3: Steichen has had him been doing all season with Daniel
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Speaker 3: Jones a quarterback, and then maybe go back and look
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Speaker 3: at the Colts film from twenty twenty to see how
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Speaker 3: he rivers with offense, which is different than Stikens, but
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Speaker 3: not go too deep in they don't go back to
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Speaker 3: the San Diego Chargers in the Qualcom Jack Murphy Stadium
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Speaker 3: games that he played in to have a to draw
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Speaker 3: a line somewhere. This week began with McDonald with me
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Speaker 3: asking McDonald about how unpredicted it will be to be
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Speaker 3: facing Riley Leonard, just like he faced Max Brosner with
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Speaker 3: the Vikings a couple years ago in his first NFL
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Speaker 3: start to rookie and how rookie there's no film on
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Speaker 3: rookie quarterbacks, and how it's a guessing game. And then
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Speaker 3: a day later I'm asking him about facing their forty
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Speaker 3: four year old gandpa hasn't played in five years, and
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Speaker 3: how tricky that is. That's how bizarre this week has
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Speaker 3: been for Mike McDonald, and he laughed and said, this
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Speaker 3: is the NFL. He said it reminded him of last
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Speaker 3: year when the power went out in November and they
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Speaker 3: played to practice two days in the dark at the
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Speaker 3: facility when the storms in November last year. And then
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Speaker 3: Connor Williams is center that he had just signed in
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Speaker 3: free ins to just quit the middle of the season
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Speaker 3: and retired at age twenty seven, and he won ten
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Speaker 3: games and didn't make the playoffs. As that rookie had
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Speaker 3: one of the best rookie head coaching seasons ever and
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Speaker 3: he didn't make the playoffs. He said, this is the
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Speaker 3: He said this year was kind of weird because up
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Speaker 3: until now, nothing really crazy, bizarre had happened until till this.
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Speaker 3: But he said, yes, this is unexpected, this is bizarre,
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Speaker 3: and from a preparation standpoint, this is weird for him.
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Speaker 3: But he said, eventually, we just have to do what
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Speaker 3: we do, and what they do is hide their blitzes,
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Speaker 3: disguise their coverages, bring Emon Warry from all different angles,
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Speaker 3: bring Witherspoon from different angles. Yeah, they're not taking it
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Speaker 3: easy on Philip Rivers Sunday schematically do well.
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Speaker 4: I would even double down on that idea. I would
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Speaker 4: if I were Mike McDonald, I would kind of challenge
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Speaker 4: the defense, like, really, are you going to take this?
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Speaker 4: Do you realize what they do? They think that they
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Speaker 4: can sign a forty four year old dude hasn't played
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Speaker 4: in five years. I don't care who he is, you know,
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Speaker 4: I don't care if they pull Autogram out of the
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Speaker 4: grave like they're playing a forty four year old against you,
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Speaker 4: right and kind of turning around like that it's a slap,
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Speaker 4: you know, not necessarily that it is, but I'd couch
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Speaker 4: it that way. Appeal to their competitiveness. I mean, we
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Speaker 4: know some of the greatest competitors of all time. All
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Speaker 4: they need is a little you know, a little hook
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Speaker 4: Jordan and Brady and everybody else. But but you know,
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Speaker 4: speaking of the Colts, I think one thing to consider
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Speaker 4: is that these guys prior to this Sunday, you just
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Speaker 4: go back to one week ago today, the Colts were
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Speaker 4: number one in the NFL in for the entire season,
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Speaker 4: and points scored number one in the NFL and EPA.
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Speaker 4: This new metric expected points added that has a little
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Speaker 4: bit higher correlation than all the other stats. It's a
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Speaker 4: real deal to pay attention to this is this was
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Speaker 4: a great off now was it declining? Yes? But the
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Speaker 4: thirty third team, the think tank for which I'm a
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Speaker 4: part of, Mike Tanne mom you know, asked me, hey,
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Speaker 4: will you present on Daniel Jones a few weeks back,
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Speaker 4: and I'm like, okay. I went and I I looked
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Speaker 4: at every single play of the Colts and then had
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Speaker 4: to pull together about twenty plays for Daniel Jones and
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Speaker 4: then present to everybody. And in that process, what I
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Speaker 4: learned is they've got some great targets. I mean, we've
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Speaker 4: all heard of Michael Pittman, but they got a dude,
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Speaker 4: Alec Pierce maybe you know, a big toll like he
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Speaker 4: is a playmaker up the sideline, tall six foot three.
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Speaker 4: And then they got this little guy, Josh Downs number two.
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Speaker 4: I looked up his side. I think he's like under
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Speaker 4: one hundred and seventy pounds, but man, is he lightning quick.
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Speaker 4: And they did a nice job. If they anticipated like
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Speaker 4: cover four, for example, forty three under, they would match
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Speaker 4: him up in ways to get a middle linebacker on him.
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Speaker 4: And I was looking at Ty Warren, you know, for
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Speaker 4: the week that I'm studying or the better part of
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Speaker 4: a week that I'm studying the Colts, I'm like, Ty
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Speaker 4: Warren's going to the Hall of Fame, like this dude
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Speaker 4: is is like a gronk who can run like so.
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Speaker 4: And of course there's Jonathan Taylor. So there's a reason
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Speaker 4: the Colts had those numbers up until a few days ago.
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Speaker 4: Now this past week they slipped a little, and we
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Speaker 4: we you know, would predict that they would slip uh
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Speaker 4: and not retain those numbers. But there's still some horsepower
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Speaker 4: in that offense. Now. The good thing uh and and
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Speaker 4: the area for Seattle is I thought that the left
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Speaker 4: tackle for them was bad, uh and I thought the
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Speaker 4: right tackle was worse. So I thought that all the while,
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Speaker 4: Daniel Jones Wiley had really good targets to throw to.
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Speaker 4: I thought his offensive line was just knew. And so
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Speaker 4: the Seahawks have got attack that as.
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Speaker 1: Good as Jonathan Taylor is greg I mean, and we're
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Speaker 1: again back to Phillip rivers. I can't imagine there's gonna
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Speaker 1: be a lot downfield. I would imagine they're going to
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Speaker 1: try to protect him by throwing short passes, trying to
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Speaker 1: get run after the catch with all of those weapons,
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Speaker 1: because they're big guys. Pittman's a big receiver. Warren's a
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Speaker 1: big tight end. Most tight ends are big. He's bigger,
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Speaker 1: and so I would imagine everything's gonna kind of happen
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Speaker 1: right there at the line of scrimmage. If you're going
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Speaker 1: to try to attack Mike McDonald's defense without the ability
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Speaker 1: to threaten it deep, I mean, you have no chance,
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Speaker 1: right Greg.
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Speaker 3: Well, they have a chance that they get Jonathan Taylor going.
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Speaker 3: And that's been the key to the Seahawks success on
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Speaker 3: defense and setting up their pass rush all season is
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Speaker 3: they've stopped the run on early downs and I would
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Speaker 3: expect the Colts game plan to be heavy on Jonathan Taylor,
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Speaker 3: especially with the quarterback who's playing in first time in
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Speaker 3: five years. But that can slow down a pass rush
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Speaker 3: more than any of that. If you're in third and
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Speaker 3: two now all of a sudden, you can't pin back
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Speaker 3: your ears and come after Philip Rivers. If you're a
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Speaker 3: third and nine and ten, you camp, how do you
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Speaker 3: get in third and two? You run the ball effectively
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Speaker 3: with Taylor on early downs. Teams all season have not
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Speaker 3: done that. Also, Seattle has played it from ahead and
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Speaker 3: teams have abandoned the run there have been six weeks
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Speaker 3: that their teams have just run ten twelve times with
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Speaker 3: the running backs. Minnesota ran their two running backs six
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Speaker 3: times each in a game they fell behind right away
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Speaker 3: in the first half by two scores. So that's the
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Speaker 3: key for Indianapolis to stay in the game and compete
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Speaker 3: with how McDonald's defense is play in is to run
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Speaker 3: the ball and put them in either or downs on
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Speaker 3: third down because if it's passing downs, McDonald's schemes will
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Speaker 3: kill you. And that's what's happened all season the team.
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Speaker 3: That's what happened to Atlanta the other day. They couldn't
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Speaker 3: run Bijon Robinson later in the game when they fell behind.
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Speaker 3: Robinson had his early in the game, and the defense
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Speaker 3: William Jessterdady talked about how they didn't play up to
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Speaker 3: their standard and run defense early in that game. That
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Speaker 3: game changed one when Rashid Shaheed's kickoff return gave the
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Speaker 3: Seahawks a lead and joled on them out of a
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Speaker 3: six to sixth slog. But two, it changed when Jon
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Speaker 3: Robinson stopped the effective running in the second half and
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Speaker 3: then Cousins was dead. And that'll be the key. On Sunday,
18:54
Speaker 3: the meme.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Hugh, try to be one dimensional against Mike
18:57
Speaker 1: McDonald's defense.
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Speaker 4: Good luck. Right now, they have the as we said,
19:04
Speaker 4: the skill position, they have the dudes that to not
19:07
Speaker 4: have to be one dimensional. I just think that that
19:10
Speaker 4: you attack that weakness in the offensive line. I think
19:14
Speaker 4: Seattle's been able to build a wall almost every game
19:18
Speaker 4: against the running attack. And then you know, create those
19:22
Speaker 4: those situations, those passing situations, and feast on those blitzes.
19:26
Speaker 4: And and as smart as Philip Rivers is and as
19:29
Speaker 4: experienced as he is, I think there's there's some new
19:33
Speaker 4: you know, juju going on with Mike McDonald that Philip
19:36
Speaker 4: Rivers doesn't have a lot of experience with in terms
19:39
Speaker 4: of those simulated pressures, and so he you know, if
19:42
Speaker 4: you just make him think an extra tick of a second.
19:46
Speaker 4: We saw Aaron Rodgers throw a ninety ninety seven yard
19:50
Speaker 4: pick six to Leonard Williams, so certainly Rivers could do
19:55
Speaker 4: something like that as well.
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Speaker 1: Now, either truck's backing up near Greg Bell or Philip
19:59
Speaker 1: Rivers met alert bracelet is going off.
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Speaker 2: I'm not sure, but you falling and he can't get up. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: let's take a break. We'll come back.
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Speaker 1: Top Man Roundtable continues here on a Thursday. That's right,
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Speaker 1: one hour, one hour with Hugh Millon, Greg Bell, more
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Speaker 1: on the Seahawks, cults, some things other than Philip Rivers,
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Speaker 1: which is what we covered in our first segment together.
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Speaker 1: And I'm also glad that Hugh Millan could be here
20:47
Speaker 1: to witness history. This is the longest Greg Bell's gone
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Speaker 1: this week without saying beat Navy out loud, so we
20:54
Speaker 1: haven't heard it once this hour.
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Speaker 2: All right, Oh, I don't know Greg's listening or not.
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Speaker 4: I was deferring to Greg on that shot.
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Speaker 2: That's the longest. That's the longest we've gone.
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Speaker 3: All right.
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Speaker 1: Well, I hope Greg is with us because I was
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Speaker 1: going to start this segment with him. Greg, what's going
21:14
Speaker 1: on with the offensive line and the return of Jalen Sundal.
21:18
Speaker 1: I know this is the third day in a row.
21:19
Speaker 1: I've asked you, but I'm wondering we got any more
21:22
Speaker 1: information on that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, be navy. I was just retraining from that. I
21:27
Speaker 3: was gonna wait till the end. I'm sorry. Jalen Sindell
21:32
Speaker 3: returned to practice yesterday. He looked appeared to be full go.
21:37
Speaker 3: It appears signs are he's going to be the center,
21:40
Speaker 3: and that meansful with Timmy is online to be the backup,
21:44
Speaker 3: and they're going to stay status quo with Anthony Bradford.
21:47
Speaker 3: It's an issue of not wanting to upset the whole
21:49
Speaker 3: Apple car to the offensive line, and let's do the
21:51
Speaker 3: thing that would be the least disruptive to continuity, which
21:54
Speaker 3: will be go back to what it was the first
21:56
Speaker 3: nine games this season with Sondell at center and Bradford
21:59
Speaker 3: right now. I know a lot of fans listening want
22:02
Speaker 3: Anthony Bradford out of the right guard position, but the
22:04
Speaker 3: fact is they feel Jalensondell is more valuable to them
22:08
Speaker 3: the center than he would be a right card and
22:10
Speaker 3: they don't have a better option than Anthony Bradford the
22:13
Speaker 3: right guard. And it already would have used them. Christian
22:15
Speaker 3: Haynes would be the upson favorite, the third round pick
22:18
Speaker 3: out of Connecticut last year, but he's obviously not the guy.
22:21
Speaker 3: This is three chances he's had to win the job
22:24
Speaker 3: and he hasn't won him yet, And so they're going
22:26
Speaker 3: to roll with the Peers Sindell at center and Bradford
22:29
Speaker 3: at right guard for the rest of the season. He's
22:31
Speaker 3: if the health station, you good with that, Hugh.
22:36
Speaker 4: Well, I I look at the right guard and Anthony Bradford.
22:41
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I'm trying to come up with new ways
22:43
Speaker 4: to say the same thing, because this is like a
22:45
Speaker 4: song that has been going on for a long time
22:48
Speaker 4: and I'm looking for a new refrain. But yeah, I mean,
22:51
Speaker 4: you know, Anthony Bradford, it kind of is what it
22:53
Speaker 4: is now. He had he had a pretty good game.
22:57
Speaker 4: He had he had a very good game if he
22:59
Speaker 4: if he played as well as he did last Sunday
23:03
Speaker 4: against the Falcons, wouldn't be an issue. You could say,
23:06
Speaker 4: also the game at Arizona, But the problem is all
23:09
Speaker 4: the other games prior to the Arizona game and in between.
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Speaker 4: So so I would welcome any change, but you know,
23:17
Speaker 4: I certainly respect and defer to their eyes. And if
23:21
Speaker 4: they think Bradford's the best option, then you got to
23:25
Speaker 4: play him. But you better have that, you know, high
23:28
Speaker 4: up on the priority list, perhaps the highest going into
23:32
Speaker 4: the offseason to try and upgrade there.
23:34
Speaker 2: Let's talk about nick Eme and Warri. Let's talk about
23:37
Speaker 2: nick Em and Warri.
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Speaker 1: We spent a lot of time on him last week,
23:40
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. But then he goes out
23:42
Speaker 1: there and he has just, I mean, just fills up
23:45
Speaker 1: the stat sheet. I mean, Hugh, they always say that
23:49
Speaker 1: you get eat your point in your season where you're
23:51
Speaker 1: not considered a rookie anymore, this guy's not considered. Not
23:53
Speaker 1: only not considered a rookie anymore, I mean, are we
23:56
Speaker 1: talking pro bowler here? We're talking all pro here? I mean,
23:59
Speaker 1: are are we just drinking the koole as we get
24:01
Speaker 1: to see him every play? How special is this guy
24:04
Speaker 1: becoming right before our eyes?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 4: I don't think he's gonna make the Pro Bowl this year. Remember, now,
24:09
Speaker 4: he had been injured for a good portion. Wasn't till
24:13
Speaker 4: to what week five or six, Greg that that he
24:16
Speaker 4: played was an Arizona the first Arizona game. But since then,
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Speaker 4: I think that he's shown everything that Mike McDonald wanted
24:27
Speaker 4: in terms of a guy that can replicate Kyle Kyle Hamilton,
24:31
Speaker 4: the the all pro safety at the Ravens, who is
24:35
Speaker 4: a tall, rangy guy like uh, like Emon Worry and
24:40
Speaker 4: and while maybe on tape at Notre Dame, he'd say
24:44
Speaker 4: that Kyle Hamilton had a little bit more instinct that
24:49
Speaker 4: you you look at Emon Worry and now under the
24:52
Speaker 4: tutelage of McDonald, he's making a lot of instinctive plays
24:56
Speaker 4: when I you know, I think he's a lot of
24:57
Speaker 4: times I look at the taping, he's seen it before
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Speaker 4: it happens. He doesn't bring the violence to the game
25:04
Speaker 4: that Cam Chancellor did. So he's a big guy, but
25:07
Speaker 4: that's not his forte. Nor was it at South Carolina.
25:10
Speaker 4: I remember just going and I kept waiting for that
25:13
Speaker 4: big couple of big hits. That's not his deal butt.
25:16
Speaker 4: He's an extraordinary tackler. So while I love Bam Bam
25:21
Speaker 4: and his physicality, I don't think I'm we're likely to
25:24
Speaker 4: see that unless that develops in him. I kind of
25:28
Speaker 4: switched my gears and I just admire the athletic beauty
25:32
Speaker 4: of his of his fluidity, of how he changes direction,
25:36
Speaker 4: how he accelerates. He's a very sure tackler. If he's
25:39
Speaker 4: not a violent tackler, he's got long arm and his
25:42
Speaker 4: tackling technique is outstanding. And so I think he's just got,
25:47
Speaker 4: you know, a physical skill set and now an emerging,
25:50
Speaker 4: you know, grasp of the game that is likely to
25:54
Speaker 4: be next level real soon if it isn't already.
25:56
Speaker 3: Well.
25:57
Speaker 1: Devin Wetherspoon plays like he thinks he's cam chance size,
26:00
Speaker 1: There's no doubt. And Greg, those two guys together might
26:05
Speaker 1: be coming off their best games individually. He got Julian
26:08
Speaker 1: Love back. I mean things are humming in that secondary
26:11
Speaker 1: right now.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the first time all season that the
26:15
Speaker 3: entire defense was together. And because the Chenn and Wilson
26:18
Speaker 3: missed the opener, that don't even where he got hurt in.
26:21
Speaker 3: John Love comes back from injured reserve, and he was
26:25
Speaker 3: based on a pitch count. It got easier to limit
26:27
Speaker 3: him in the second half once the game became a
26:29
Speaker 3: three and four score game. In Atlanta, he'll play more
26:32
Speaker 3: than the twenty some snaps he played against Atlanta. On
26:35
Speaker 3: Sunday against the Colts, I would expect him to be
26:37
Speaker 3: close to back to full go. If not, maybe they
26:40
Speaker 3: keep him on a pitch count so that he's full
26:42
Speaker 3: go by Thursday night, four days later against the Rams
26:46
Speaker 3: from probably the NFC West leads. So they air whole.
26:50
Speaker 3: And this is exactly when you want to be whole,
26:52
Speaker 3: to be at your best. This is as healthy and
26:55
Speaker 3: as fully available as they've been all season, and now
26:58
Speaker 3: they're doing it for the foremost important games of the year.
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Speaker 3: Emon Worry and Witherspoon alone give them all kinds of
27:05
Speaker 3: options in the secondary, whether to blitz, whether to played nickel,
27:09
Speaker 3: whether to played dime, whether to switch coverage from Manna's own,
27:12
Speaker 3: whether the shell, whether the goat shade to one side
27:15
Speaker 3: or the other. And it's just the options that McDonald
27:19
Speaker 3: has built for himself and John Schneider has in the
27:21
Speaker 3: personnel staff have given him by trading up to draft
27:24
Speaker 3: Emon Worry. It's everything. It allows them to not blitz
27:28
Speaker 3: and had pressure with the front four. If we talked
27:30
Speaker 3: about that's a key to Seattle success on defense in
27:33
Speaker 3: the past. Defense this year is to get their front
27:35
Speaker 3: four Leonard Williams, de Marcus Lawrence, Byron Murphy with seven sacks.
27:40
Speaker 3: Those guys have really been able to allow McDonald to
27:43
Speaker 3: do a lot more than he thought he could do.
27:44
Speaker 3: He thought he was gonna blitz more this year and
27:46
Speaker 3: he just hasn't had to because of the success of
27:48
Speaker 3: the front four getting in on the quarterback. And now
27:51
Speaker 3: they're gonna send those front four against the forty four
27:53
Speaker 3: year old grandpas and played in five years. This really
27:56
Speaker 3: favors Seattle Sunday because of how many options Mike McDonald
28:03
Speaker 3: has because of Emon Warri and Witherspoon primarily.
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Speaker 1: Well, let's just use the last couple of minutes of
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Speaker 1: the segment, Hugh. I don't think we're gonna need a
28:10
Speaker 1: lot of points on Sunday to win this game. But
28:13
Speaker 1: what about the Colts defense is worth worrying about?
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Speaker 4: Well, what intrigues me is the Colts sat there right
28:20
Speaker 4: before the tread debt trade deadline, excuse me, and they
28:24
Speaker 4: had the number one offense and then they say, okay,
28:26
Speaker 4: what is going to put us over the top. The
28:28
Speaker 4: trade that they made for two first round draft picks
28:31
Speaker 4: to the Jets to acquire Sauce Gardner seemed to be
28:35
Speaker 4: like a real push, you know, down the backstretch, believing
28:40
Speaker 4: that they had all the parts. And since the acquisition
28:44
Speaker 4: now he's had a mild calf strain and his health
28:50
Speaker 4: is in doubt. But since they acquired him, they are
28:54
Speaker 4: twenty fifth in points. Defensively, they're twenty ninetheen yards first
29:00
Speaker 4: and expected points. There's just no way that that he's
29:04
Speaker 4: had the impact that the Colts envisioned. So I think
29:08
Speaker 4: that's that's a really interesting portion of their secondary Blackman
29:13
Speaker 4: and Jones the corners. There's a good reason why they
29:16
Speaker 4: acquired him. I mean, there's their nickel guy. Kenny Moore
29:19
Speaker 4: is probably their best deep defensive back. But really they're
29:23
Speaker 4: they're really only challenge of any consequences Leatu Latu, who
29:30
Speaker 4: you know, had a brief stint with the Huskies, but
29:33
Speaker 4: but he's the edge pressure, you know. Charles Cross, who
29:36
Speaker 4: I thought had a poor first quarter certainly in the
29:41
Speaker 4: game against the Falcons, probably performed the worst of any
29:45
Speaker 4: player on the football team for that first quarter. He's
29:48
Speaker 4: gonna get the matchup and and so that would be
29:50
Speaker 4: the one area that might be a little bit of concern.
29:53
Speaker 4: But I think that the defense just greg on the whole.
29:56
Speaker 4: People make acquisitions like that, you know, with the idea
30:03
Speaker 4: that they're going to, you know, make a deep push
30:04
Speaker 4: in the playoffs. I understand the logical why they did it.
30:08
Speaker 4: I know we're up against the break, but but do
30:09
Speaker 4: you have a quick thought on where they are defensively
30:12
Speaker 4: after that acquisition.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Sauce Gardner didn't practice yesterday because of the calf.
30:17
Speaker 3: He's trending toward for potentially not playing on Sunday. The
30:20
Speaker 3: Forest Buckner did practic. I know he's getting older, but
30:22
Speaker 3: the Forest Buckner in the middle of the defensive line
30:24
Speaker 3: has been a problem for the Sea Arts going back,
30:26
Speaker 3: and when he played for the forty nine ers, he
30:28
Speaker 3: will be an issue for the interior of the offensive
30:30
Speaker 3: line if he wple play. He was a limited participant
30:32
Speaker 3: in practice es today, but it looks like the word
30:34
Speaker 3: out of Indianapolis as that Buckner will play and that
30:37
Speaker 3: will be problems for Seattle's run game. But Hughes right,
30:41
Speaker 3: they made that move to get over the top defensively,
30:44
Speaker 3: and Gardner has, largely because of injury, has not gotten
30:47
Speaker 3: them there. Seattle again, what they need to do every
30:52
Speaker 3: week they want to run the ball, They're going to
30:54
Speaker 3: run the ball a lot. Well, they run the ball
30:55
Speaker 3: for yards. Buckner not being in there would help that,
30:59
Speaker 3: but they yet to be still to me, where they
31:01
Speaker 3: want to be offensively running the ball against anybody consistently,
31:05
Speaker 3: including Kenneth Walker, who I saw had the best minus
31:07
Speaker 3: one and plus one yard runs in Atlanta of his career,
31:10
Speaker 3: three or four guys waiting on him every time he
31:12
Speaker 3: got the ball. Almost They got to get that fixed.
31:17
Speaker 3: I keep harping on it. But against the forty nine
31:20
Speaker 3: ers in the Rams, you've got to run the ball
31:21
Speaker 3: better than they've been running the ball all year.
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Speaker 2: Greg's keys and Hugh's final thoughts.
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Speaker 1: One more segment of the twelve man round Table here
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Speaker 1: on this Thursday, Chucking Box Sports Radio ninety three point
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Speaker 3: All right, nal.
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Speaker 1: Segment here the twelve man round Table here on a Thursday,
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Speaker 1: Seahawks versus Colts. A lot of time spent this hour
31:50
Speaker 1: on Philip Rivers, who I guess we don't know if
31:54
Speaker 1: he's starting for sure.
31:55
Speaker 2: It just seems to be trending that way.
31:57
Speaker 1: When Greg suggested that yesterday in our seven five I've segments,
32:01
Speaker 1: I was like, no way, but yeah, he was onto something.
32:04
Speaker 1: He is trending towards starting in this football game. So
32:08
Speaker 1: certainly this has become a lot more interesting to a
32:12
Speaker 1: lot more people the Philip Rivers show on Sunday, Greg,
32:15
Speaker 1: but we still have a football game to win.
32:18
Speaker 2: Better not lose this one. What's the key to getting
32:20
Speaker 2: this done on Sunday?
32:23
Speaker 3: Well, he has started stopping Jonathan Taylor on early downs
32:27
Speaker 3: about Rivers. Jen and Wols had played with him with
32:29
Speaker 3: the Chargers and the beginning of his career at the
32:32
Speaker 3: end of Rivers's time with the Chargers, and he said
32:35
Speaker 3: yesterday heinate no way Philip Rivers has come out of
32:39
Speaker 3: retirement to sign with the Colts, get on a plane
32:41
Speaker 3: and take a five hour ride to Seattle at Christmas
32:44
Speaker 3: time to not play. Yeah, yeah, And so they have
32:49
Speaker 3: game planned for Rivers ever since Tuesday when they got
32:52
Speaker 3: the news that he was trying out had tried out,
32:55
Speaker 3: so they think he's playing. Mike McDonald's game plan is
32:58
Speaker 3: that he's playing, and I expect him to get the
33:01
Speaker 3: full Mike McDonald experience, as like you said, maybe even
33:04
Speaker 3: more things they haven't seen he hasn't shown yet in
33:07
Speaker 3: the regular season. It's going to be nick even worry
33:11
Speaker 3: is a five tech defensive end and nine tech defensive
33:14
Speaker 3: end moving all over the field, full meal deal. As
33:18
Speaker 3: we said, this is now for the first time all season,
33:20
Speaker 3: they've got their full defense and everybody on board and healthy.
33:25
Speaker 3: That's where the game should be won. But they got
33:28
Speaker 3: to stop Jonathan Taylor in early down so that it's
33:30
Speaker 3: not an easier third down situation for Rivers on Sunday.
33:34
Speaker 3: I think they'll do that. I think they're running defense
33:37
Speaker 3: and their front four the key to their season. Continue
33:39
Speaker 3: to have a big seat. Byron Murphy has been an
33:41
Speaker 3: MVP for them, both in run stopping and crushing the quarterback.
33:46
Speaker 3: It's the most interesting regular season game I can think
33:49
Speaker 3: of covering, maybe since Brett Farve on a Monday night
33:52
Speaker 3: in Oakland the day after his father died, and that
33:54
Speaker 3: was way back in two thousand and three. That's probably
33:57
Speaker 3: the most That's the only thing I can even equate
34:00
Speaker 3: to this. It's gonna be a spectacle. It's gonna be
34:04
Speaker 3: it's gonna be wild to see this unfold. It's like
34:06
Speaker 3: a Disney movie. It is. I think they win something
34:11
Speaker 3: like twenty four to ten to move to eleven and
34:13
Speaker 3: three and shut set up a battle royale with the
34:15
Speaker 3: Rams on Thursday night.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about the Seahawks ever
34:19
Speaker 1: since I moved here. Maybe it was going on forever.
34:22
Speaker 1: They never, of course this happened to them because they
34:25
Speaker 1: always have something interesting going on. Never seen a franchise
34:30
Speaker 1: be more consistently interesting than the Seattle Seahawks. All right here,
34:34
Speaker 1: what are your final thoughts getting ready for this match
34:36
Speaker 1: up here?
34:37
Speaker 4: Well, I just think that Mike McDonald is finally getting
34:40
Speaker 4: all the tools that he wants with the health of
34:43
Speaker 4: the defense. And you know, the percentage of plays where
34:47
Speaker 4: the Seahawks bring five plus rushers this is straight out
34:50
Speaker 4: of the NFL staff portal, twenty one percent. That's twenty
34:54
Speaker 4: fourth in the league. But the percent of plays where
34:58
Speaker 4: they bring five rush that results in a negative EPA
35:03
Speaker 4: Expected points average, that's sixty seven percent. That's number one
35:07
Speaker 4: in the league. So the Seahawks don't do it a lot,
35:10
Speaker 4: but they're really effective when they do. And then you know,
35:14
Speaker 4: they've been number one in the use of nickel in
35:17
Speaker 4: all the NFL. They just don't play bass. But prior
35:22
Speaker 4: to Emon Worry getting in the lineup, they were eighteenth
35:26
Speaker 4: in the use of dime. Now that's they're up to fifth.
35:30
Speaker 4: And so just the pieces I think we're gonna see,
35:34
Speaker 4: we're gonna start to see more of those pressures, as
35:37
Speaker 4: evidenced by their their their great success rate, and they've
35:41
Speaker 4: got talented blitzers, even worries Sony can get home and
35:48
Speaker 4: and of course Witherspoon can get home. I like the
35:51
Speaker 4: fact that they're doing a better job of containing it.
35:54
Speaker 4: Drive me crazy how they would lose contain on They
35:57
Speaker 4: have this unbelievably well designed it's pressure. They get a
36:00
Speaker 4: free runner, but then a right d a quarterback is
36:04
Speaker 4: allowed to escape out to his right. So I think
36:06
Speaker 4: they've kind of buttoned that up. I just I'm I'm
36:10
Speaker 4: just gonna grab my popcorn and watch how this man
36:13
Speaker 4: Mike McDonald now that he has all of his parts.
36:17
Speaker 4: Remember now they lost to the Buccaneers. They had they
36:19
Speaker 4: had four starters out, you know, and so you've got
36:22
Speaker 4: an emerging The experiences is exponentially raising for emon worry
36:29
Speaker 4: so that they feel like they can do more things.
36:31
Speaker 4: I just I just can't wait for this mad scientist
36:33
Speaker 4: to unleash for the last month and it starts against
36:36
Speaker 4: a forty four.
36:37
Speaker 1: Year old Yeah yeah, I think Philip. I know how
36:40
Speaker 1: gung Holy is, but I think I would have watched
36:41
Speaker 1: that Seahawks defense film and said, how about next week?
36:45
Speaker 2: How about we start next week?
36:47
Speaker 3: Right?
36:48
Speaker 2: Yeah? Have you not acquired any wisdom in these forty
36:51
Speaker 2: four years?
36:52
Speaker 4: You know your football, don't you?
36:55
Speaker 3: But they get the forty nine ers next week. It's
36:57
Speaker 3: not a picnic for a good point.
36:59
Speaker 1: At least he got a week and a half to
37:01
Speaker 1: get ready as opposed to like two soft practices. Greg,
37:07
Speaker 1: I think pretty convinced. Twenty four to ten. This is
37:10
Speaker 1: you know, this is gonna be a runaway. I'm like
37:12
Speaker 1: forty four to three. That's where I'm at with this game.
37:15
Speaker 1: That's what I think it's gonna end up being. And
37:17
Speaker 1: I think it could be a lot worse. But they're
37:19
Speaker 1: gonna call off the dogs. That's what I think is
37:21
Speaker 1: gonna happen.
37:22
Speaker 2: All right, gentlemen, awesome stuff. Thank you very much.
37:25
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. We'll do it again next week and
37:27
Speaker 1: we'll talk to you both tomorrow.
37:29
Speaker 4: Thanks.
37:29
Speaker 3: Thanks for worts, two warts Forrawlli. Yeah baby, yeah, yeah. Figure.
37:34
Speaker 2: I figured you'd squeeze one more of those.
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