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This Was a High Point for Franchises | 007 James Bond Franchise Wrap-Up · Potato Chip Pictures - A Podcast

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Before we get started, do you want to hear some quick numbers?
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Just some quick dumb numbers? I'm just going to give you 3 of
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them. I wanted to see averages.
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Averages don't mean anything like, and if I knew better stuff
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about statistics, I would look for like the actual numbers.
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But averages are fun. Yeah.
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Like a median or something like that, like something to
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demonstrate where we really land.
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But I do have averages. So I'm I'm just going to start
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with with mine just because it's the first one I see as far as a
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franchise go goes, I rate this franchise as a 5 point O 4.
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You have given the entire franchise a rating of 5.656.
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So you liked it a little bit better than I did overall, Yeah.
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And then obviously in between for the show, average 5.348.
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But I thought that was kind of funny, like I made you do this
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and it turns out I didn't even like it that much.
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I feel like you you had all of the James Bonds.
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Like, is that why we picked James Bond?
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OK, yeah. I mean, I'm fine with that being
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a legitimate reason because. And I, I do genuinely like them.
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It's not like I'm sitting here thinking like, oh man, I don't
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like them. But as I look at the averages,
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I'm like, Oh yeah, there. There really were a lot of these
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movies that were kind of bad. Yeah, plenty bad.
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All righty, well I guess I should start this thing if you
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are good with it. Yeah, I mean I've got top fives
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of everything except Bond girls and hench men.
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I've got top four. Well no, I got I got 5 in girls.
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OK, 4IN hench men lackeys. I was.
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Well, we'll get to it when we get to it, yeah.
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Hello and welcome to potato chip pictures, the movie franchise
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review podcast wrapping up our James Bond double O seven film
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franchise review 25 movies. We have already looked at all 25
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of them, so now we're just looking at some like, overall
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thoughts about the whole thing. But let's not waste any time.
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My name is B Sammy Davis. I am Justin.
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And yeah, we are doing the wrap up.
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I'm sure I'm going to have our overall averages in the, the
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intro, but essentially what we are going to be doing in today's
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episode is just kind of looking at some of the key features to
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the Bond franchise and discussing our favorite aspects
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of that. I, I don't know, I think that's
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a fair thing to look at. This is the first time I've done
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a franchise wrap up, so it sounds like a good plan to me,
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yeah. This is this is all a learning
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experience. It's my first time doing a
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franchise wrap up too. What?
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No, you always sound so prepared and well spoken.
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That's, that's just because I fake it so well.
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But I, I want to start with the most important thing and that is
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the actor playing Bond. I I have the numbers as I've
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been collecting them, but I am curious as to how you would rank
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the Bond actors, Maybe lowest to tops?
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In terms of order, I feel like it's it's tough to be so down on
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the older. Not not old age wise, just the
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earliest bonds. The actors sure portrayed them
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well. If we're talking about the
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iteration of the Bond, I love Sean Connery the least.
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In terms of James Bond being a stand up fella, not so much.
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He did a great job of portraying James Bond as he was in the 60s.
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I mostly just. That's because I enjoy Roger
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Moore a little bit more it feels.
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Feels a little more like he could be Adam West Batman at
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least. How do I see Sean Connery
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pulling that up? Yeah, in a good way.
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Between Lazenby and Dalton, because I'd probably put the
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both of them above Moore and Connery.
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That's fascinating. I mean, because it it just feels
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like a different, different era, even though they only had the
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one movie and what the 2 movies, they feel like a different comic
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book writer. If it was a different what do
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you call them? The the gathering of all the
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comic books in one a different series of our bond, but I just
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like laser be his. His plot is ridiculous, but it
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it went well. More has has Jaws maybe could
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kick Timothy Dalton down below More.
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OK. I don't have a good solid list,
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I'm thinking off the top of my head.
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I do. I do have a solid list and I'm
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gonna go bottom to top and at the bottom for me is Timothy
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Dalton 2 movies. I'm just not a big fan of the
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80s and I don't think his movies really shine.
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I think he's fine. He's bottom of the barrel of
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really good actors playing this character.
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So like, it's not that he's bad, it's just someone's got to be at
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the bottom. That's, that's where Dalton
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lands for me. Lazenby only got 1.
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I cannot put him higher than Dalton like, or I, I can't put
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him higher than second to last. Like gotcha.
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I like On Her Majesty's Secret Service, but I can't be like,
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who's the best? He only got one.
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It was a good one, but it was only 1.
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So that's why I'm just kind of like, he's got to be second to
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last. Then I've I've got Connery next.
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Sean Connery did a great job of establishing the character.
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And I will always say that that my biggest critique of Lazenby
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and the early Roger Moore is that it is clearly they are
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trying to do their version of Sean Connery's bond and it
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doesn't really work. And so but unlike Lazenby, Roger
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Moore then had a chance to kind of create his own version of
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bond. And that's why I put him next
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just above Connery. And I think you calling him like
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Adam West, I think that's a good description, description of him.
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He is a. Little bit a.
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Little bit silly, but at the same time very memorable.
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A lot of people think of Roger Moore first when they think of
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Bond. He's he's got the most movies,
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he's the bondliest Bond of them all in terms of number of
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appearances, official appearances.
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Then I I've got Brosnan, I've got a soft spot for him.
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I didn't even particularly like his movies, but I I still like
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him as Bond. I think he fits the part really
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well. And then of course and #1 is
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Daniel Craig. I think he is top Bond all the
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way. It might have just been the
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stories that helped him out too, but I think where it mostly felt
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like Bond was some tall, tall guy with dark hair.
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Daniel Craig's like he's a little bit, I don't know, in
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the, in his Casino Royale. It's like blondish, reddish
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brownish, It's all of them all come together.
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And it where that could have probably veered off of the lore
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or whatever. It felt OK because hey, here's
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this, here's the new Bond, and here's an amazing adventure that
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he gets to start off with. Oh, wow, what Casino Royale
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really did set the tone and it like after seeing so many other
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actors getting kind of a bad first movie, except for Pierce
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Brosnan, who got a great first movie and then Daniel Craig gets
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a great first movie and it's so good.
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So yeah, it, it might be recency bias.
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It might be the fact that they both got good first movies, but
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I do I think Craig and Brosnan I think embody the part best.
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Do you want to hear based on their average reviews where each
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Bond lands? Yes, let's.
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See, and I think that's where it's the actor portrayal, how
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well they do versus like I really going through the the
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list of intro songs. I absolutely love The Beatles
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doing their intro song, but it is re watching the intro.
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All right, This isn't the worst Bond movie, however that
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happened. I I ended up just rating the
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songs because that's what I have.
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Give me the ratings that people do by the plots of the movies
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cause who's number one? So, and that's really like, you
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hit the nail on the head. This does not speak to their
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quality. Because when we get there, and I
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don't want to start with #1 because it's so obvious and it's
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kind of upsetting. So let's start with number last,
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which is Roger Moore at 4.7 as his average rating.
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He got 7 movies so he had some stinkers and some really good
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ones. Our ratings or others?
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Yes, of our ratings. I'm not going to look at other
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people's ratings. I mean, I wasn't sure.
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Yeah, the average of our ratings across their movies is a 4.7 for
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Roger Moore. Next up is Sean Connery at 4.8.
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So just a tiny improvement. Just a tiny improvement.
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Next we've got Pierce Brosnan at 5.4, so sizable jump.
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Then it's Timothy Dalton at a a rounded 6.3, followed by Daniel
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Craig at a solid 6.3. Which means because he only got
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one time at bat with a a score of 6.5.
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Skew. The average Jeff George Lazenby
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gets the top spot I. Mean I'll have to go listen to
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my reaction to him because I just have, I don't know, I feel
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like I had some nostalgia for for that after we had reviewed
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it thinking, oh, you know, I really enjoyed the fact that
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Bond almost got away and I really hate the fact that then
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he didn't. I mean, I, I would say watch it
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again. I think it's a really good
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movie. I think it's a very rewatchable
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movie. I think it's a fun plot.
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I don't like Tracy. Bond, yes, 100%.
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And, you know, even though he's not my favorite version of
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Blofeld, the guy who plays Blofeld in this movie, I think
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he's really good in the part. And I also just love the fact
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that he and George Lazenby were really good friends during the
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filming of the movie. I just think that's cute.
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So I've got a soft spot for On Her Majesty's Secret Service,
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but yeah, man, let's let's shift over.
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Let's let's talk intro songs. I'm going to say I primarily or
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I really heavily ranked on song over movie versus intro
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sequence. Happy with that, yeah.
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I was going to say, how do you want to do it?
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Do you want to give me your your top five from 5:00 to to #1?
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I don't think I ended up ranking the KD Lang 1 so.
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I didn't either. It's an end credit song.
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It doesn't count. It's the Best Song in the
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Brosnan era and we can't even rank it.
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So my #5 if we're going from the bottom of our songs, I don't
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hate No Time to Die with Billie Eilish.
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It's contemporary, and while it is a little bit more of a
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downbeat, I think it already. Bond already earned the lower
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register with Adele's Skyfall. So it it's like, OK, we can do
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another one of these, but maybe no more.
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I might have to listen to it again because I gave it a 2 out
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of 10. It is my second to last of the
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overall things Like I, I just don't like the slow ballads.
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If you don't have like a bombastic part.
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And at least with the, with Skyfall, you've got like a
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choir, you've got a lot of stuff happening.
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And so, I don't know, I might have to listen to it again and
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just listen to it as No Time to Die by Billie Eilish.
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It might be better than I'm remembering it, you know?
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I tried to not look at the intros at the same time, so I
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did go through all the songs and there's just not, I just,
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there's a lot of them that I do not like at all.
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What is your #5? My #5 and this is only on the
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technicality, this is because it's so bad it flipped into Good
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is Die Another Day by Madonna at 8 out of 10.
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No, that one was so bad for. Me.
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Oh I love that song. It's so dumb.
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It is. It's pretty awful.
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See, and like I will go with you on on saying it's dumb.
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It's lyrics are juvenile. It is so very of it's time.
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And yet I can't say it's terrible because I genuinely
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like it. I think it's so much fun to
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listen to. So there were even on on being
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disturbed by each other's number 5 pick.
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Yeah, I I slowed it down to listen to it and it while the
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rest of the song might be OK, it the close my body now makes no
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sense. And it's not the main.
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Let's not like the title of the show, like Skyfall kind of
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doesn't make sense as a word, but it Adele manages to work it
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into a good lyric. Close my body.
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Now it's just like, well, that's but what do?
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You mean that's the problem with it?
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She came up with her own lyric for that.
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She should have just stuck with a die another day and made that
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the only lyric the whole time. I mean, and I realize it is kind
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of a trolley answer, and so I will say that, you know, right
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below it at a 7 out of 10. I've got two of them.
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Nobody Does it Better by Carly Simon.
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That was from The Spy Who Loved Me.
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That will occasionally just get stuck in my head out of the
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blue. I'll just start humming Nobody
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Does It Better And then For Your Eyes Only by Sheena Easton is
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another one that gets stuck in my head out of nowhere.
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So genuinely, Madonna's Die Another Day is my #5 but there
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are two really good songs right behind it.
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And you? Say those are your like #4.
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No, my number 4 is Goldfinger by Shirley Bassey.
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Not a big fan of the movie. I love that song.
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Love it. I'm trying to see my 2 'cause I
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thought that I ranked. Oh, so the ones you just said
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were for your eyes only? And which was the other one?
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Nobody does it better but. The Spy Who Loving Yeah, that
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one is. So if we're just going top five,
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my four had a double, had a tie with For Yours, Eyes Only and
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Casino Royale, but those are both below The Spy Who Loved Me
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Because Nobody does it better. Just feels like I unconsciously
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associated that with the Bond when I first ever heard it.
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That's quite interesting. Then it came back and I'm like,
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Oh no, that song's a Bond song. OK, that, that's a good tune.
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And for the longest time, my beef with the song was the fact
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that it it just sounded like any old pop song that they could
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have put into it. But the more I listen to it, the
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more I'm like, no, I really do like this song.
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And Carly Simon was dope. Like, she was great.
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Clearly I need to listen to more Carly Simon because I keep
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hearing songs or I'm like, she's so good.
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Some bad notes are the man with the golden gun and of you do a
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kill because they're both very stylized. 1 is man with the
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golden gun Hun, and it's like Oh my gosh.
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And it's not even about bunt or about like the.
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It's the villain. Here's your song, dude.
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And then the view to a kill is dancing to the fire.
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Yep. Just no.
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Don't love it? I really dislike a view to a
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kill. And that's, that's my #23 I
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guess like that's my, my very bottom, my very bottom like #25
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out of 25 is All Time High by Rita Coolidge from Octopussy.
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And that's because it just sounds like a song that they
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picked. And that like, it seems like
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when you're making a Bond movie, you want a song that was written
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specifically for the movie. And that I don't get that
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feeling with All Time High. Yeah, even just on a tangent
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from this is a Bond song The Hand.
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OK, that's right, it for Bond and make it catchy.
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OK. Oh, that leaves us at 3 'cause
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mine was I. So I mean, not to skip over
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Casino Royale. I just dig it because it's it's
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I don't know, it feels more rock'n'roll.
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And so for the reboot it, it felt nice.
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I do think Quantum of Cell has tried to follow that in the same
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vein and failed at it. It didn't feel good, but didn't
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want to skip over Casino Royale. Yeah, good song.
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I like it. Kind of middle of the list for
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me, but 6 out of 10, it's on the positive side.
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It's I like it. A thumbs up from me, my numbers.
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That's the title of it. Yeah, my #3 did you say you're
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#3? Yeah, the spy Who loved me.
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OK, Nobody does it better. My number 3 is Skyfall by Adele.
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I'm I'm keeping it there. It is.
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I mean, when we're at this top three level, we are in the songs
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that that I hum most frequently, that I think about most
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frequently. And I would even put Goldfinger
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in there. But yeah, Skyfall by Adele is
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one of those songs that's just kind of a revelation to me.
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I genuinely love it. And I think it was the song that
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kind of made me rethink Adele and listen to some of her old
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hits and be like, you know what? I like this too.
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This is also good, yeah. All right, hit me with your #2.
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#2 is Skyfall. OK.
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It wasn't my top, but I feel like I again, it doesn't.
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None of the lyrics in these songs really, really, really
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make sense as, like, a jumping off point into the plot.
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But hers I think maybe felt the most like it was going to mean
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something because Skyfall, even right now, I'm like, that's the
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name of the Manor where he grew up.
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Yeah, Right. OK.
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And she's saying at the Skyfall, yeah, going to a place.
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But then you don't know what it is at the beginning, so when you
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first watch it, it's very confusing.
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Well, OK, I trust you at the Skyfall.
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Something will happen. Maybe that's a time, maybe it's,
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I don't know what it means, but we'll figure it out.
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And oh, it's a place. Yeah.
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So I, I like it as well. My number 2 he's a Live and let
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die by Paul McCartney in the wings terrible movie, terrible
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intro sequence, such a fire song, such a great out of this
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world bonkers Paul McCartney at his most bizarre and avant-garde
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I I love live and let die I. Just love it.
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Love the the guitar notes, I guess, and then the brass.
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I think it's and that's why it's my number one.
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That's overall that's where I would put it just because it I
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listening to it again, it was like maybe halfway through it.
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There's a There's a part where it's a little bit empty and not
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quite doing much. That's that's the artsy part
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that I think about like. Then it comes back around.
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Yes, it's the part that that kind of pulls you out and you
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either have to let it give you this whiplash or you're going to
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be injured. And so some days I'm really into
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it, other days I'm like, I should have skipped, should have
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skipped. So that's the only reason.
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It's at my #2. But the big reason is because my
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#1 is the World is Not Enough by Garbage.
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And that's the one I've been humming all week long.
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Like oh man, that song like it's it sounds so good every time I
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listen to it. And it also like further makes
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me dislike the Sam Smith and Billie Eilish songs because I'm
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like, here's another ballad, but the it's a ballad that has a a
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strong string presence. You've got the very surf heavy
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guitar going like oh man, I genuinely I think the world is
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not enough by Garbage is just one of those great songs.
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But even on its own, if you never even heard about James
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Bond and someone played that for you, I think you would be like,
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this song is dope. This song is good.
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I'm trying to remember what I what it sounded like when I
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listened to it because I put that it was just OK.
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Which Bond song terms is actually above average?
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Not not aggressively angry or like, aggressively bad.
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I'm looking at mine and it's at #17 that we go below a 5 out of
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10. And so like for most of this
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franchise, the intro songs have been good to great, and then
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you've got a few stinkers in there.
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But there's a reason why a lot of these songs end up charting,
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because, like, they're good songs.
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It's a popular, popular franchise of its time.
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I think the next iteration, even if it makes a few missteps, it
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might just hit again because not that there's a shortage of spy
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movies to go watch, but why not reinvent it for another audience
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'cause? I think the the only way they
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could upset me, and this is just a statement about how Bond as a
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franchise has kind of copied what other people are doing.
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Don't give us a multiverse and I think we'll be told, him I.
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Think we'll be fine, I mean. It might be fun to see, you
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know, AI versions of Connery and Lazenby in their prime.
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Maybe. But it might also be terrible to
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look at, so I I just would rather them give me at least
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some kind of conventional story. For all of the the nice things
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that we'll never see again in the franchise, like the actual
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actors that portrayed Q or M or anyone else, I think those would
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probably be the toughest. Where they didn't often change
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while Bond kind of changed several times.
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Then that's OK. Yeah, it'll be different.
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That will be the the part that's weird and I wonder if they will
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keep new miss money penny new queue like they can.
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Technically short. What's his name?
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Ray Fines. He's still around.
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He. He.
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Could show up, but do you want us to move over to allies?
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Since we're there, trying to think of anything else to
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mention about the intros and songs.
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I feel like the intros themselves won't haven't aged
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well. They are.
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They are. Let's see, even all the way up
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into like browsing era, just just distillation of everything.
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I know they weren't necessarily filmed in America, but all of
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the stuff is there. I feel like some of the really
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old ones, like I'm thinking about Goldfinger, where they
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were using light, where they were just projecting film on a
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person's body. I think that aged pretty well
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because that's just a practical effect.
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And so I'm I'm good with that. But then I think about
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Goldeneye. I enjoy that movie.
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I I kind of hate the intro sequence.
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Like the song is fine, Tina Turner's song is fine, but the
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very CG effect heavy, very 90s sequences doesn't really work
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for me. And then I think about Tomorrow
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Never Dies. And when they show us the title
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card and it looks like something that a junior higher made, like,
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you know, there are some things about these intros that did not
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age well and will not be viewed as like, breathtaking by any
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means, unless we're talking about the practical things.
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And then I look back at like, the Sean Connery era and I'm
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like, OK, some of that might look pretty good.
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And then I'm still going to say in terms of just pure visuals,
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I, I think maybe Casino Royale might be my favorite, Maybe
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Skyfall might contend with it. I think those ones were pretty
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incredible to look at. Yeah.
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Oh, special mention for You Only Live Twice.
31:16
I don't know another section of strings that that I'm going to
31:21
only hear as Bond music from now on because like, oh like
31:26
ridiculous movie, but the it's so attached to James Bond now,
31:34
like. Oh yeah, and I like the Nancy
31:37
Sinatra song. It's good.
31:41
Like, yeah, I like that one. I think that's a good shout out.
31:47
On 2 allies. Good to go.
31:49
I got I've got five of them. If you got 5 of.
31:52
Them, I think that's the one. Oh no, no, I did get 6.
31:58
And oh, where's the tie for #2I technically have 8 total because
32:05
I put 99 on Julius Pepper. JW.
32:15
Oh really? You, there's I there's no way.
32:21
I almost put his replacement and I have already forgotten his
32:26
name. But the other southern boy who
32:31
shows up but he's much more tolerable.
32:36
He was. He was in contention for my
32:39
final list, but I've only got 5 of them.
32:42
I've got Zukovsky by played by Robbie Coltrane.
32:46
Or Hagrid. Yeah, he's my #5 out of 6.
32:53
So we both have him at #5 So that's good.
32:57
I yeah, I thought Robbie Coltrane was great.
33:00
Didn't love his character arc only because I would have liked
33:03
to have had him come back for more, but yeah, otherwise
33:07
fantastic. Former villain, current ally.
33:13
I really liked zukotsky #4 for me is Jeffrey Wright's Felix
33:19
Lighter. I got Jack Wade around the
33:24
Zukomsky era. That's the name Jack Wade.
33:27
I was like, I was like, it's not Pepper.
33:30
No, Jack Wade and I guess it is still JW.
33:36
Sure. All right.
33:37
I think 'cause I want to say he was in one of the earlier movies
33:42
with Timothy Dalton as a bad guy, but then he comes back here
33:46
as a good guy. He's.
33:49
Just so charming and yeah, so delightful.
33:54
Very dumb, like kind of bordering on JW Pepper, but you,
34:00
you take away all the racism and now you've got a character
34:03
that's actually enjoyable to watch.
34:06
Yeah. My number 3 is original Q
34:12
Desmond Llewellyn. Gotcha.
34:15
I'm a three with Judi Dench and the Craig era.
34:20
Interesting. OK, OK.
34:23
My #2 is original Miss Moneypenny.
34:27
Luis Maxwell. Oh, all right, she's that one.
34:34
I think. The Moneypennies.
34:36
I didn't rank Samantha Bond, but I think I enjoyed her the most.
34:41
She might be my third favorite because Naomi.
34:45
Is it Harris or Naomi? I can't remember her last name.
34:49
Newest Miss Moneypenny is my second favorite.
34:53
She's fun, she's nice. I think the the tension was like
35:02
barely explored without even committing to even like let's
35:08
flirt about it. Like, Oh no, no, no, we're just
35:10
good colleagues. And it's like, well, come on.
35:13
It's what made it fun. What made it fun with the other
35:19
ones. My number twos are the QS, not
35:25
John Cleese because I enjoy the newer 1 and I enjoy Desmond.
35:32
They're just. I I feel bad for John Cleese,
35:35
but by a wide margin he is worst Q.
35:41
Yeah. I love him as an actor.
35:43
I love him in the Monty Python stuff.
35:46
Worst Q. No way around it.
35:52
We're at #1 I'll just say mine because you've already put her
35:57
in your list. Mine is Judi Dench's M from the
36:01
Daniel Craig era. Gotcha yeah I had pulled up
36:07
Felix by Jeffrey Wright because maybe it's that one mostly feels
36:12
like recency bias. But the non main characters
36:18
still just exhausted from this life of CIA agent goes out in
36:26
the final in his in the final film and is is just like Mathis
36:33
in affecting Bond. And that that makes it like you
36:39
got you got the other characters that we'll talk to Bond for the
36:42
last time, but they get to live on.
36:44
And this is Felix that he does like he's the same spot that
36:49
Bond ends up at and he's like it's OK, like it.
36:54
It's like Felix went first. And so Bond is he's OK to go.
36:59
I really like the fact that for the first time in the franchise,
37:05
I really do believe that Felix Lighter is having adventures of
37:11
his own. All the other Felix's it.
37:14
It just was like, oh, and there's an American too.
37:18
Hooray. Like, I didn't really care.
37:21
But then Jeffrey Wright playing it like you, you had pointed out
37:26
that he kind of looks like Max Payne in Max Payne 3 when he's,
37:30
like, ready to retire. And I'm like, oh, my gosh, I see
37:33
it. Especially when he's like, come
37:35
on. It'll be just like the old
37:36
times. Yep.
37:41
Just delightful. All right, well, where should we
37:45
go next? I'd say we go at least through
37:50
the list of things let's hit our gadgets because I don't saving
38:00
our best for last. We can we can go through the
38:02
gadgets really quick. It seemed like a short list.
38:04
This was the one I I, I eventually found five, but this
38:08
was the one where I had the most trouble because as I kept
38:11
looking at the list, I was like, I don't even care about these
38:15
things. And I realize is is important as
38:18
gadgets are to these movies. They're I barely think about.
38:23
Them yeah, I think there's a couple of high points in the
38:28
whole franchise, but like I the duck scuba gear isn't even on
38:33
here where I earlier I thought about in my mind we were talking
38:38
about Adam West and like I can see Roger Moore doing the duck,
38:43
but it was on Sean Connery, but it was.
38:45
Sean Connery, But I I could definitely see Roger Moore
38:49
sporting a tuxedo underneath a wet suit.
38:53
My #5 out of the list that we have would be the EXO suit
39:01
Gustav Graves wears to fire the space laser beam.
39:05
That was on my short list. I eventually it didn't make the
39:10
list, but that was one that I kept looking back at because of
39:13
how ridiculous it is. Yeah.
39:16
And I mean it is practical, like it's a suit you can wear and
39:20
kill anything. It's part.
39:22
Of the main plot, it's like, Oh yeah, this isn't a side but.
39:27
So yeah, I'm, I'm with you on there.
39:29
I, it almost made my top five, but my number 5 from the World
39:33
is Not Enough was the X-ray shades.
39:38
I got a genuine chuckle out of everyone packing heat in the
39:43
casino like that was. That was a good visual gag.
39:47
And we get that gag because of the X-ray shades.
39:50
So #5 for a chuckle. I gotcha.
39:55
Yeah, I put them a little bit higher.
39:58
I think I went through the list. It be thinking would this be a
40:02
cool gadget to have? Yeah.
40:03
Yeah, and I I'll agree with that.
40:05
I would 100% rock his version of the X-ray shades because
40:11
obviously he's not cutting all the way through to bone.
40:14
He's able to take off the first layer of clothing to see undies
40:19
and guns. So, I mean, you got to know, I
40:24
guess. Yeah.
40:26
So James Bond, that was a blast from the past, all the way in
40:30
the Brazen era #4I, they're not a big part of living daylights.
40:40
But the milk bottle grenades were fun because it's like, oh,
40:44
the spy, this spy team has a cue of their own.
40:48
And if they make milk bottle grenades?
40:52
Yep, my number 4 was the money bomb from The World is Not
40:58
Enough. So two in a row from the World
41:00
is not enough. But my villain gadget that
41:03
impressed me was the money bomb, where you just have to have that
41:09
pin on your clothing and approach close enough to ignite.
41:14
Explode. The money, yeah, I I thought it
41:17
was very effective. And what a way to hide A bomb.
41:20
So money bombs. That's my #4.
41:24
Well, my number 3 was the other bomb, the exploding pen.
41:30
That's my #3 too. Yeah, we got some that match.
41:35
I think it's a, it's a fun relic remnant of Goldeneye.
41:44
It I feel like it just encapsulates the gadgets that
41:52
came with Brosnan. Yeah, And they even make a
41:55
reference to it in Skyfall when new Q is like, what do you want?
41:59
An exploding pan? And it's like kind of, yeah,
42:02
like I saw how effective that was at killing a base.
42:08
It all works if you have one explosive, just just put it in
42:12
just the right spot. And this time it was a fidgety
42:17
hacker that was the right spot. All right, well, then I'm going
42:21
to jump up to #2 my number 2 is kind of cheating because it has
42:26
like a bunch of gadgets in it. But it's the attache case from
42:32
From Russia With Love. It's got the money, the smoke
42:36
grenade, the retractable sniper rifle knives, like it's such a
42:44
rad concept and it's like the second movie in we get this
42:49
really cool gadget. So attache case from Russia with
42:55
love. Just needed a little bit more to
42:59
the Bond world. Well here you go you get some
43:02
fancy gadgets. My 2 was your four I think.
43:09
X-ray shades. Oh, that was my #5. 5I my last
43:16
two I think I ranked in terms of these would be really cool again
43:20
in real life because extra shades would be useful I guess,
43:26
right? Yeah, yeah.
43:29
If you're looking for, I don't know, contents of stuff at the
43:33
grocery items or trying to think of it sounds like something cool
43:39
to have in real life because then my number one is the
43:43
training simulator, which is just VR and steroids.
43:48
That was a short list of mine, but the fact that that Miss
43:53
Moneypenny used it to Make Love. With that.
43:57
Was what ended up taking it off my list.
44:01
I mean, I feel like that's why I enjoyed that Samantha Bond,
44:06
because she was like, well, you know.
44:09
She's willing to go into the Q labs and play with toys.
44:13
Yeah, seemed more age appropriate with Bond's the
44:19
mannerisms. So it like yeah.
44:24
Well, my number one was the milk bottle grenades, and it's only
44:30
because when that came up in the Living Daylights, that was
44:34
probably my favorite part of the entire movie.
44:37
Like I didn't particularly enjoy that movie, but I keep thinking
44:42
about the milk bottle grenades and just how much fun it was to
44:47
see him throw a bottle of milk and for it to explode.
44:53
Yeah, it's pretty cool. I I enjoy them for the fact that
44:59
he did not just the the MI 6 skits cool fancy gadgets.
45:06
Well, in that case, can we do vehicles next?
45:10
Vehicles. Oh, I missed that tab.
45:14
All right well then I'll do vehicles really fast because
45:17
vehicles are almost like gadgets, but I still like them.
45:24
So I'll I'll go through mine pretty quick from Goldfinger.
45:27
I like the Rolls Royce Phantom three.
45:29
That is Goldfinger's car that he reveals is made of gold so he
45:34
can melt it down and not have to pay any import fees.
45:39
It's devious and it's sexy. Like, it's like, it's such a
45:44
throwaway line. And yet I'm like, wow, that is
45:49
devious. Like he makes a car out of gold
45:53
just so he doesn't have to pay taxes.
45:56
Yeah. I mean, for the world, it does
46:00
seem like, well, gold isn't, what do you call it, structured
46:06
enough to be a car. So exactly like it's so
46:10
impractical in real life. What are you doing just OK
46:14
villainous plot of it that I. Like. #4 is Aston Martin DBS V12
46:23
from both Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace.
46:26
It gets destroyed at the beginning of Quantum of Solace.
46:29
That's how I kind of remember it, but it's so good looking.
46:35
It's. It's just a genuinely gorgeous
46:38
car to look at. Then from tomorrow never dies
46:43
the BMW 750IL. That's the remote control car.
46:48
Is that the one that does the flip with the ejector seat?
46:51
No, that is Die Another Day. I don't remember which because I
46:57
think that was an Aston, but it could have been something else.
47:02
But yeah, the BMW is the remote control car where he jumps in
47:06
the back seat and he's driving from his cell phone.
47:11
I just love that scene. I love it so much.
47:14
I just enjoy it immensely. Then from you only Live Twice is
47:20
little Nelly, the collapsible helicopter.
47:24
That's my #2 It's just so cute and fun take.
47:30
On three other helicopters. Yeah, it's great.
47:34
Little Nelly can kick some butt. I like her.
47:37
And then appearing in the most movies and therefore being the
47:41
most iconic Bond car is the Aston Martin DB5 from
47:47
Goldfinger, Thunderball, Goldeneye, Tomorrow Never Dies,
47:50
Casino Royale, and Skyfall. It's the iconic Bond car.
47:57
It's the one you think about when you think about who is
48:00
James Bond. He's the guy who drives the DB5.
48:04
I'm trying to remember it in Casino Royale.
48:06
It was the car that I think it's the car he wins from.
48:13
What's his name? Because I think I think the V12
48:19
is what MI 6 gifts to him 'cause it's.
48:24
Yeah, I can just remember it now.
48:27
It feels a little like Han Solo where this is where he gets that
48:31
car. Oh yeah.
48:33
Origin story of a piece of equipment.
48:38
Well, and that's the thing, like the DV5, when it comes back in
48:41
Skyfall, it is not the same car as the one in the Casino Royale.
48:45
The Skyfall car is the one that, oh shoot, Conry was driving
48:52
because it's got gadgets in it and he's like, I'm going to use
48:55
the ejector seat on you. Well.
49:02
That's a solid list. I don't know that I would have.
49:07
I'm not a big car person but the scenes probably would have
49:11
mostly. I'll be honest, it was an
49:12
incredibly hard list to make, and the only three that I knew
49:17
were going to be on it were Little Nelly, the remote control
49:20
car, and then the DB5 that Bond drives in most of the movies.
49:25
And then I was reaching to try to fill out the other. 2.
49:31
So yeah, I don't, I don't have any like emotional attachment to
49:35
the Phantom 3 from Goldfinger. I'm like, oh, that was a car
49:39
made out of gold. That's kind of cool.
49:42
Gotcha all. Right.
49:45
Well, we got 3 categories left. Henchman lackeys, villains, bond
49:51
girls. I'd do with henchman lackeys.
49:53
I don't think I got 5, but I also think I kind of didn't.
49:59
I got 4 because I was like, Oh yeah, these people 100%.
50:04
I remember them all right. Well, since you don't have one
50:08
to compare it to, I'll just throw out my #5 and if it
50:12
happens to be on your list then keep mum about it.
50:15
And if not, you can you can tell me what you think.
50:17
But as much as I hated his movie from Die Another Day, Zao with
50:24
diamonds on half of his face. I gotcha.
50:28
I really like that design it it doesn't make any sense.
50:32
No, like they absolutely could remove those diamonds from his
50:36
face, but it looks cool. Yeah.
50:39
And so I like it. Like jaws, I'm sure that, you
50:43
know, they probably could have done some other work with his
50:47
teeth, but we're going to keep him there.
50:49
Yeah, it it looks cool. Let's keep it because it's cool.
50:53
So yeah, bad movie. I'm never going to watch it
50:57
again. But I I got to give Zao his
50:59
credit. I like the diamonds on his face.
51:01
It's a good design. Well, I guess I'll put Stamper
51:05
as my no #5 Yep. Stamper, why are you yelling?
51:15
Feeling good, Tony, so I'll go first with #4.
51:24
That's where through all of these, they didn't really stick
51:32
well. Maybe I was focusing on the
51:36
wrong people because I left. We can bump these ones down and
51:43
put you at #3 Well, no, you're #2 yeah, you're #2 you're
51:49
number. Three, there's some last minute
51:50
changes happening on the spot. Well, yeah, because I feel bad
51:55
to say it. I left someone out that should
51:58
be #2 so my #5 that I enjoy because not so much that they're
52:06
a dangerous henchman, but Severine was a, I can't think of
52:16
the word. She was interesting for the part
52:22
of the movie that she's in. And it was so unfortunate that
52:26
she just dies like no fanfare. And maybe it it could have been
52:35
more interesting. I'll agree with you there.
52:40
She's, oh, she is so mysterious when she is introduced as a
52:46
woman standing next to a shattered window at the top of a
52:50
skyscraper, and she's just fearlessly staring across the
52:56
empty space at Bond and oh, the movie does her dirty.
53:02
I still love that movie. It's still a perfect movie.
53:05
It's still a tin out of tin. Severin should have been in more
53:09
of it. Yeah, but that'll call it my #5.
53:14
My number 4 is Mayday from a view to a kill.
53:20
She turns good at the end. Didn't need to die but super
53:25
strong. Very interesting.
53:29
Played by Grace Jones and I really like Grace Jones, so
53:33
mayday #4. I I didn't end up breeding
53:38
Mayday. I mostly I think it's probably
53:42
the movie that pushed that down the list.
53:46
My number 4 is Vesper if mostly because I like Casino Royale.
53:55
Yeah, and I had her in my list for a a minute.
54:00
I was thinking about her because I was like, I mean, she is so
54:06
important to the entirety of the Daniel Craig franchise.
54:14
Seems like that might have been a overplay of of using her.
54:18
I'm like, we can, we can move off of Vesper now.
54:23
No, no, no, no, no. We'll wrap it up.
54:25
We'll wrap it up in the last movie, yes.
54:28
We're going to keep bringing her up all the way to the very end.
54:33
All right, well, let's go to #3 where I have odd job from.
54:38
Goldfinger throws his hat and. That's, I mean odd job might
54:44
have been more important, but I don't think I chuckled and
54:49
laughed. The same way that Felix is
54:52
exhausted from being ACIA agent and just not actually ready to
54:58
die. But when he gets there, it's
55:00
it's mean something. This guy's death meant nothing.
55:06
But I loved every second that he was like, hey, this is just a
55:13
job. Like you guys, could we like
55:17
Doctor Kaufman tomorrow Never dies.
55:22
He's like. One scene, 1 scene and he.
55:27
Makes my list because I like 1 I like the actor, but two it just
55:34
plays on the notion of like these contract killers, they'll
55:39
do anything. It's like, well, could we maybe
55:45
not. I'm trying to remember exactly
55:47
what how the scene goes down because it he dies, but it's and
55:51
he's. Like please, I'm, I'm just a
55:54
professional. Just like, yeah, this is the
55:56
game, my dude. Like, yeah, I I like that.
56:03
I think that's fair. All right.
56:05
Well, at #2 and it's because she should have been the main
56:10
villain for the entire movie. It's Fiona Vulpa from
56:14
Thunderball, and she's gorgeous. Oh my gosh, she was so gorgeous.
56:21
Holy crap, that fiery red hair. Super duper long.
56:28
Yeah, yeah, I could see there being a top one.
56:34
Feel like my selections of the list may have just been more a
56:38
recency. Well, I imagine our number 1 is
56:43
going to be the same, only for the fact that it hasn't showed
56:47
up on my list yet and I haven't heard.
56:50
Maybe it's #2 on your list, but. Well, between the two I would
57:02
put for the absolutely dangerous feeling that Zinnia from
57:13
Goldeneye brings every single time she's there.
57:17
Even her bad guy companion is like what?
57:23
Why are you so gross? What is the deal, lady?
57:30
And like, she has no qualms about being exactly what she is.
57:35
And she's, she's just as dangerous as Jazz and maybe more
57:43
scary. But Jazz is my #1 all of the
57:50
wonderful reasons that he gets to end his his career with love.
57:56
Yeah, like he's so iconic and frankly, next to like after you
58:03
have looked at every single one of the the actors who plays
58:07
James Bond, I think the next face of the franchise is Jaws.
58:14
He's just so iconic and and he's got an actually interesting
58:19
story. Plus we get to see him in two
58:21
movies. Like he's just the best.
58:27
Absolutely. 100% agree. All right, well, that takes us
58:30
to our final two. Do you want to do love interests
58:34
or overall baddies next? So I'd probably go with the Bond
58:40
women. We'll do that one and do the
58:42
villains last. I feel like it's a different
58:47
list. Now, I'm going to say, typically
58:51
speaking, a Bond girl is defined by having some kind of romantic
58:57
relationship with Bond. I say that only because I did
59:02
not put Paloma on this list. I would have put her on an ally
59:06
list, but I didn't find her that compelling as an ally.
59:13
But I wanted to put her in the Bond girl list.
59:15
I was just like, they never were romantic.
59:18
I can't, I can't, I can't put her there.
59:22
Oh, then my number 5 is probably I kind of have 2:00-ish lists
59:28
where I was trying to work out because I wanted to fit #4 for
59:35
me is Pam Bouvier Bouvier, License to Kill.
59:40
Just she she's fun and snarky. I don't know.
59:48
It's a good word for being not not under James's power
59:57
initially. She doesn't listen to orders
1:00:00
like she does her own thing. So I yeah, I thought about her
1:00:05
for a while, too, especially for the casino scene where Bond's
1:00:09
like, you're going to show up and be my assistant and she's
1:00:12
like, I'm going to show up as an executive.
1:00:15
Yeah. It's like awesome, put Bond off
1:00:19
of his game because like he's a professional, he should be able
1:00:23
to handle whatever happens. I mean, and if like Strawberry
1:00:27
fields, he it's like, OK, he's like, you want us to be
1:00:32
teachers, fine, we're going to be over here at this different
1:00:34
hotel. Like if you can make him do
1:00:38
something even in a romantic relationship, I think you have a
1:00:42
A1 up on Bond, but that kind of skips over the number 5.
1:00:47
I put on #5. No, I initially put the
1:00:52
Goldeneye lady. Pussy Galore, No Goldeneye.
1:00:57
Natalia's. Natalia's something or other,
1:01:00
can't remember her last name. I.
1:01:02
Was thinking about her too. That's right, Ivanova.
1:01:06
She was on my short list, but didn't make it, didn't make it
1:01:09
to the top five. But I I thought about her for a
1:01:12
while because she's also capable and interesting.
1:01:17
Well, my number 5 and it's purely on looks alone 'cause
1:01:21
she's a nothing factor to this movie.
1:01:25
But it's from Diamonds are Forever plenty O'Toole.
1:01:30
Plenty O'Toole. She's the lady who gets thrown
1:01:32
out of the window into the pool. She's legitimately a nothing
1:01:39
factor in the movie. Like Bond meets her while he's
1:01:42
gambling. She was with one guy, that guy
1:01:45
busts out, then she goes to Bond.
1:01:48
Oh, she's kind of chatty, yeah. And then the next time we see
1:01:54
her, she's like half naked in his hotel room and then some
1:01:58
dudes show up and throw her out the window like.
1:02:01
Oh yeah. But she's so gorgeous and so,
1:02:06
like I said, looks alone plenty O'Toole.
1:02:10
There's just not enough character there to be like, Oh
1:02:13
yeah, she's so interesting. And then who did you say was
1:02:18
your number 4? Was that Pam?
1:02:20
Yeah, that was Pam. That's a deserved spot.
1:02:23
I thought about Pam for a while. My number 4 was someone from
1:02:28
your henchman list and that is Severin.
1:02:34
And like, I don't know they. I find her so fascinating.
1:02:40
I agree, she absolutely should have lived for at least a little
1:02:45
longer in the movie. Like, could these helicopters
1:02:49
have come any sooner? Yeah, like a few minutes sooner
1:02:53
and she would be alive and she could have been a part of the
1:02:56
movie. I get it.
1:02:59
Like the putting the whole notion of a Bond girl on its
1:03:03
head was the whole reason that we had Judi Dench as the final
1:03:08
Bond girl of Skyfall. Because it's not a romantic Bond
1:03:12
girl. It is a motherly figure.
1:03:16
And so I get it. I get why they did it.
1:03:18
But there is an alternate universe where Severin is the
1:03:24
Bond girl of that movie. And that movie, you know, isn't
1:03:27
as good, but at least we get more Severin out of it.
1:03:34
Yeah, that's, that's fair. I free #4 yeah.
1:03:41
So give me your number three. I'm excited. 3.
1:03:46
Because I think we're in the territory where we might start
1:03:49
having some similarities. Maybe we'll find that.
1:03:53
Maybe because I kind of, it's tough to be like, well, the
1:04:02
romantic interests, they're not quite allies, but my last three
1:04:09
I could put well, so #3 is probably the one that could stay
1:04:13
number 31. And two I could swap because
1:04:17
they're both #3 going on, on your criteria of looks alone, I
1:04:26
really enjoyed Strawberry Fields in Quantum of Cells.
1:04:29
OK. She's gorgeous, I'll agree with
1:04:32
you there. Not enough in the movie, but she
1:04:35
gets to trip Elvis and that's funny and I like that.
1:04:38
And then she dies. I'm like, oh, it's so
1:04:42
unfortunate that it's like, oh, they just die.
1:04:48
There's so many Bond girls that just die, Yeah.
1:04:52
Just for knowing who Bond is. Yeah, that would be my #3.
1:04:59
I, OK, I'm, I'm genuinely surprised at that, but I'm going
1:05:04
to give you my #3 and it might surprise you.
1:05:08
Tracey Bond from On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
1:05:13
Part of the the ones that I'm up in the air, it's like, well,
1:05:18
Tracey Bond is cool. I, I think in addition to the
1:05:22
actress being gorgeous, the character is interesting.
1:05:27
You could, you could think so much about all of the different
1:05:32
fascinating things to the Contessa from On Her Majesty's
1:05:37
Secret Service. And one of the things that I
1:05:39
think about is the fact that she's crazy jealous.
1:05:44
And when Bond is at his lowest point and is likely about to
1:05:49
die, his Deus Ex machina is his jealous girlfriend who hasn't
1:05:54
heard from him for a while and just happens to be in I'm.
1:05:57
Invited you go and excellent. So I yeah, like, I love that.
1:06:02
Like it. It's so toxic and I don't want
1:06:05
that in real life, but I love that it works in the movie.
1:06:08
So it. Could save his life.
1:06:10
He's usually saving people, but he gets in the bad way.
1:06:16
That's she'd be higher up on the list if she didn't die in the
1:06:19
same movie. Yeah.
1:06:23
So yeah, that's my #3. Well, number one and two occupy
1:06:30
occupy the spot of these are probably the the romantic
1:06:37
interests that I most wanted Bond to stay with essentially,
1:06:44
because even with the betrayal, I think Vesper and Tracy, the
1:06:51
two of them are one and two. I I probably put Tracy at 2.
1:06:59
Vesper at one adds romantic interest just because they both
1:07:04
get to bond in a way that doesn't seem superficial.
1:07:11
That's what I would go with, yeah.
1:07:13
That's that's very fair because my #2 might be a little
1:07:18
superficial and she's another person who dies in her movie
1:07:25
from You Only Live Twice Aki. She comes rolling up in her
1:07:30
sports car and demands that Bond gets in like she's always in
1:07:35
charge. She gets poisoned and that's
1:07:38
what kills her. But.
1:07:40
Oh yeah. I loved Aki throughout the movie
1:07:45
and she is just another horny spy.
1:07:47
Like there's not a lot going on, there's not genuine feelings or
1:07:53
anything but the fact that she is another super spy.
1:07:57
She can be super lucky, just like Bond up until she dies,
1:08:02
like she's doing a great job. So and then my number one right
1:08:07
there with you is Vesperland. I not only do I think that her
1:08:14
character is endlessly fascinating, and clearly the
1:08:18
producers thought it was fascinating too because they
1:08:21
kept coming back. Yeah.
1:08:25
I I just also think the actress playing her is gorgeous.
1:08:30
I've forgotten her name. Yeah, yeah.
1:08:34
Eva Green. So gorgeous.
1:08:37
The character is so interesting. Casino Royale.
1:08:41
She's such a fascinating character.
1:08:43
My only issue is I don't love the betrayal and the suicide at
1:08:48
the end. Those are the two things where
1:08:50
I'm like, the betrayal just seems to come out of nowhere,
1:08:54
and then we spend the rest of the franchise justifying it
1:08:58
like, no, really, it had to happen.
1:09:01
It had to and. Then the suicide, like she 100%
1:09:06
chose to die. Like that's why I call it the
1:09:09
suicide. Everyone calls it the suicide.
1:09:11
There is no one who says she died accidentally.
1:09:14
No, she flings herself to the back and cuts out all of her air
1:09:20
like screams or whatever. Like so, but it's not enough to
1:09:25
take her out of the number one spot.
1:09:27
No. That's where she lives.
1:09:32
Yeah, I think it, I mean, there wasn't any criteria put to these
1:09:38
names really. So going along with my own of
1:09:41
like, well, I think Tracy and Vesper are just a level above
1:09:47
the rest of them where it never seemed like like solitaire was
1:09:54
as serious as these two from Bond's side.
1:10:00
Like, Bond could probably fall in love with anyone that he
1:10:04
needs to. Yeah, I was thinking of For Your
1:10:07
Eyes Only where the lady at the end of that, she has the line of
1:10:11
For Your Eyes Only darling, suggesting to the audience that
1:10:16
she is madly in love and that Bond has found his woman.
1:10:19
But no, he didn't. Like we're gonna forget about
1:10:21
her in one movie like. You.
1:10:26
Know I the one who never made my short list and I I thought about
1:10:32
her for a while and then I was just like I never believed the
1:10:36
relationship even when they really tried super hard I still
1:10:42
had trouble believing that these two people liked each other
1:10:46
Madeleine swan I. Just.
1:10:50
She never made my shortlist. Think I'd considered her just
1:10:54
because it was like, oh, so this is the wrap up to our Craig
1:10:58
Bond. Like, OK, well, let's see a
1:11:01
little bit in the last movie. It feels a bit more believable.
1:11:07
But yeah, first movie to second movie.
1:11:09
To get there. Yeah.
1:11:13
Yeah, And I felt that recency bias where I was like, she was
1:11:17
in the last movie. Plus she's, you know, the baby
1:11:21
Mama. I really should consider this
1:11:24
woman. But.
1:11:25
And I love that actress. I think it's Leah Sedou.
1:11:29
I think that's how you pronounce her name.
1:11:31
But everything I've seen her in, I've always been like, wow, she
1:11:34
is so good. And I just didn't feel that with
1:11:38
this one. I didn't feel like this was her
1:11:41
role and feel like the character mattered that much so she was
1:11:47
quickly off my list. I was like Nah, I don't like
1:11:50
her. I like Paloma more and there was
1:11:52
no romance with Paloma. Yeah, all that leaves us with
1:11:57
our villains, unless there's any last Bond women to bring up.
1:12:02
I mean, I'm going to say it again.
1:12:06
In any of those movies, there is a good chance that at some point
1:12:11
during the viewing of that movie, you are going to see the
1:12:15
most beautiful woman in the world from that year.
1:12:18
So like in terms of looks alone, they're all 10s out of 10.
1:12:24
You're going to find hotties in every single one of these
1:12:27
movies. You just it becomes a matter of
1:12:31
all right, what are their little bits of character that makes
1:12:34
them interesting? Can we make the plot involve
1:12:39
them and make them cool? Make Tracy marry a bond?
1:12:45
Yes, yes, I'm on board with that.
1:12:48
That sounds good. Yeah, yeah.
1:12:50
And she'll be around forever. We'll have the Bonds as our next
1:12:54
movie. Mr. and Missus Bond.
1:13:00
All right, all right, Let's let's take us over to the
1:13:03
villains. The thing that defines a Bond
1:13:07
movie? Who's your number 5?
1:13:11
So you can cut out such a big part of this list just because I
1:13:17
don't I don't love any of the villains from early on.
1:13:22
Like maybe a little bit Doctor No, could be like #6 but I just
1:13:28
don't I they were just cartoon characters and I think it just
1:13:39
rose to a a a bad example climax of of cartoon characters with
1:13:48
Brad Whitaker being like this guy with a gun that has a shield
1:13:53
on it and he's. Oh yeah, I forget about him.
1:13:57
Just a very forgettable bad. I didn't.
1:14:03
I don't love so many of them. I've got 2 old school villains
1:14:09
on my. List but most of.
1:14:11
Them are new school. Are they in the top or are they
1:14:14
in the bottom? I only did my top five.
1:14:17
I, I got rid of I, so I don't have anything further.
1:14:20
I will say someone who was at #6 until I just went to a top five
1:14:28
and was only a top five was Goldfinger from Goldfinger like
1:14:33
I. Got.
1:14:35
You I I do enjoy him as a character, as a villain.
1:14:41
I'm like, that movie has aged so poorly and yet the memes are
1:14:46
there for a reason, and Goldfinger is one of them.
1:14:49
So he's my unofficial number six, but he's not one of my
1:14:54
cartoonish villains that made the top five I.
1:14:58
Got you. Yeah.
1:15:02
Oh, I'm not going to enjoy saying that my #5 mostly because
1:15:16
I I thought of Mr. White and Casino Royale just because in
1:15:22
that one movie, he's mysterious, he's with a different
1:15:26
organization, he's just a facilitator.
1:15:30
And that's like like in Half Life where the G man is there
1:15:35
but not like not forcing stuff to happen, but.
1:15:41
I'll agree I got G man vibes out of Mr. White early on.
1:15:44
Yeah, I debated switching him with the the Colonel from Die
1:15:53
Another Day where he turns into Gustav Graves, mostly because
1:16:00
the Gustav Graves is just so weird, but he manages to start
1:16:09
his plan like this giant laser beam is a actually on its way to
1:16:16
the DMZ. Or.
1:16:18
Demilitarized Zone. It takes out like half of the
1:16:22
mines on there. So in terms of getting your
1:16:26
stuff done and taking care of your business, that guy all.
1:16:31
Right. Are you putting the Colonel
1:16:34
Slash Graves at number? Five, I would because Mr. White
1:16:37
is just he goes downhill. I wasn't serious.
1:16:40
And then we learn more and then like, I don't love him in 'cause
1:16:46
he's in the last movie. I don't know.
1:16:49
He's Inspector. Yeah, he's inspector, second to
1:16:52
last. And it's just the whole arc
1:16:56
doesn't do much. So if it was just Casino Royale
1:16:59
I might keep him, but gustaf #5? That's fair.
1:17:04
Maybe I'll watch Die Another day one more time just to see cause
1:17:09
there are elements to it that are good ideas.
1:17:12
I just don't think that's a good movie.
1:17:14
But did I give my #5? My number 5 is Travillian from
1:17:19
Goldeneye, played by Sean Bean. Oh, interesting.
1:17:24
I enjoy meeting him as a double O agent.
1:17:30
I enjoy seeing his scar. I like the sudden twist to this
1:17:36
jealous villain where he's like, I got her too, Like oh so creepy
1:17:42
and but it works for me. So yeah.
1:17:45
Trevalian in Goldeneye is number 5.
1:17:48
That's too low. Too low, all right?
1:17:53
Well, take me to your #4. My my oldest of the franchise,
1:18:02
mostly because it just feels like a villain is on par with
1:18:08
the with Bond's license to kill. Like it is from license to kill.
1:18:15
Franz Sanchez is the the guy that explodes the dude in the
1:18:20
submarine. I think it feels like he
1:18:26
recognizes Bond could just kill him and he's like, well, let's
1:18:31
put you to the test. Kind of a Batman Joker situation
1:18:34
of like, OK, we're going to chomp off Felix's leg and let's
1:18:38
see what you like about that. So he I put it 4.
1:18:44
The only thing that's distracting to me about him in
1:18:47
particular is that I cannot look at the actor without thinking of
1:18:52
The Goonies. He does such a good job and he
1:18:56
really does well as a Bond villain.
1:19:01
It's just my brain cannot disconnect him from The Goonies.
1:19:05
And that's that's my problem with him.
1:19:08
Like, it's not an issue with the actor, not an issue with the
1:19:11
story. It's an issue with Sammy.
1:19:16
My number 4 is also the oldest on my list.
1:19:20
It's from Russia with Love's Colonel Rosa Klebb.
1:19:25
She's got that shrill voice, I think after Jaws, I think she's
1:19:31
another one of those faces that has become like synonymous with
1:19:36
the franchise. So Kleb, I like her.
1:19:42
Feels like the old franchise but yeah.
1:19:46
Yeah, she's only in the one movie, but yeah, she is
1:19:51
associated pretty heavily with Bond.
1:19:53
But yeah, she's also my only woman on my villain list.
1:20:01
Looking through the list again. Yeah, I was gonna say.
1:20:04
There are a. Lot of women.
1:20:06
No, Electric King. No, she's not.
1:20:10
She didn't make my list. Yeah, she didn't make mine
1:20:12
either. I put Lashif as her my #3.
1:20:20
I thought about him for a long, long time, so I'm glad he ended
1:20:25
up on someone's. List somewhere.
1:20:27
Yeah, well, it's like I enjoy the Craig era much more than all
1:20:31
the other ones and going through the list, I couldn't, I couldn't
1:20:35
put the Spectre Blowfield on there.
1:20:38
I couldn't put the other last people on there.
1:20:43
It just felt like, I don't know, maybe I I don't actually
1:20:52
associate the chief with Vesper's story as much as maybe
1:20:56
I should. He's because.
1:20:58
They're barely connected. They are in scenes together, but
1:21:02
they never speak to each other. I don't know if they even look
1:21:05
at each other. Like I'm like because the chief
1:21:09
was getting connected with Spectre and it felt like Vespers
1:21:16
boyfriend was part of Spectre and not the chiefs organization.
1:21:20
So I feel like the other ones in the Craig era just all kind of
1:21:26
get tied back to her because she's everywhere.
1:21:29
And so the chief is just like trying to enrich people and get
1:21:35
money and, well, it doesn't have some grand plan that might knock
1:21:41
him down a bit. But I mean, he had he had a plan
1:21:45
that got ruined mid movie and that was his shorting of a a
1:21:50
stock by blowing up a plane. I like the fact that he had a
1:21:58
villainous plan and that it got ruined and we had more movie to
1:22:02
go. I think that that was kind of
1:22:05
cool. So you said that was your #3
1:22:09
yeah, my #3 and this is specifically the version from
1:22:14
You Only Live Twice. But Ernst Stavro Blofeld, I
1:22:21
think the facial scar, the bald head, the constantly hiding his
1:22:27
face until the very end, and then the soft spoken but very
1:22:32
villainous version of Blofeld. I think that's the most iconic
1:22:38
version of Blofeld of them all. I think personally, I like the
1:22:43
actor from Diamonds are Forever. I think that actor is the better
1:22:49
Blofeld, but he's not as. Icon a good a good guy in the
1:22:54
Bund. Yeah, he was also in You Only
1:22:56
Lived Twice and he was the guy who got stabbed in the back
1:23:00
through the the wall, so. I can see, I can see the
1:23:04
justifications for both those guys, yeah.
1:23:06
Yeah, but you know, Blofeld is such an iconic Bond villain.
1:23:12
I had to put them in somewhere in my top five.
1:23:14
And then I got thinking about all of them and the one that I
1:23:18
genuinely like isn't the most iconic.
1:23:22
And so I have to go with the one who's most iconic and therefore
1:23:26
third best villain. The one I like the most might
1:23:29
have been second best if I had picked him, but he's not iconic.
1:23:35
Yeah, at least you didn't pick the Majesty's Secret Service.
1:23:39
Blofeld can't recognize Bond for the life of.
1:23:42
A. They just interacted with each
1:23:45
other 'cause you know, You Only Live Twice came right before On
1:23:49
Her Majesty's Secret Service. So this was the first time they
1:23:53
have a face to face interaction. And then we see him in the next
1:23:58
movie and they don't know each other anymore.
1:24:03
I also like that actor. I'm going to say that again, On
1:24:07
Her Majesty's Secret Service. I like the actor playing
1:24:10
Blofeld. Don't love the character, but
1:24:14
the actor. Fantastic actor for that part.
1:24:18
All right, hit me with your #2. My #2 my last two will follow a
1:24:24
theme so #2 is Silva from Skyfall.
1:24:28
I enjoyed him as AX Bond X Double O and he basically had a
1:24:38
plan and went through with it and kind of his own, his own
1:24:48
self absorption got him killed. He was not thinking about Bond
1:24:56
still being there. I'm like, if you maybe thought
1:24:59
someone's still going to come and try and save her, like just
1:25:02
hold for a bit longer and you get rid of everyone that would
1:25:06
be trying to save her. So he's my #2.
1:25:10
My number 2 is Lucifer Saffen from No Time to Die.
1:25:17
I really liked having a lone agent who is even more powerful
1:25:26
than Spectre. I'll be honest, it was our
1:25:29
discussion from last week that really turned me around on
1:25:34
Saffen in a big way. Like he was middling before.
1:25:39
Then we talked about him and I kept thinking about him and I
1:25:42
was like, I think he's pretty dope.
1:25:46
OK, yeah, I did. He acts independently.
1:25:51
I do think his love for Madeline was a bit like, why are we
1:25:58
bringing this perspective? It doesn't feel.
1:26:02
You're 20 years older than her man.
1:26:04
Why have you been obsessed with her this whole time?
1:26:07
Like Gross. You're a villain.
1:26:09
OK. Yeah, OK.
1:26:10
Sure. And maybe that's, you know, just
1:26:12
proving how much of A villain he is.
1:26:15
He's still obsessed with a child, even though she's an
1:26:18
adult now. He's been obsessed this whole
1:26:20
time, sure. But I'll agree that's that's
1:26:24
what keeps him from my number one spot is that I'm like, he's
1:26:28
needlessly creepy. Like, he's already a great
1:26:31
villain. And then they also have to put
1:26:34
in this weird parasocial relationship that he has with
1:26:39
Madeline Swan from afar. And I'm like, gross.
1:26:42
Yeah. Not on my list, but yeah, I can
1:26:49
see why. All right, I'm dying to know
1:26:52
what is your #1? Well I told you you had to have
1:26:56
him higher. James Bond having like Silva
1:27:01
being X double oi enjoyed Janice.
1:27:06
Alec Chevalian in Goldeneye has been the most enjoyable villain
1:27:14
to counter Bond like Blofeld is. Yeah, he's a villain and Bond is
1:27:21
trying to stop the Super villains from from using his
1:27:26
super spyness. But Janice.
1:27:29
And it might just be because that was the, the initial Bond
1:27:34
that I grew up with just always struck me as not being expected.
1:27:42
Like, oh, he actually is super dead.
1:27:45
Like, wait, now he's back and. And super evil.
1:27:50
He could be, he could be better than Bond is like Blofeld will
1:27:55
never match Bond physically. So it's like, oh, here's a guy
1:28:00
that could. That's a really good point.
1:28:04
I think of all of the villains, Turvalian is the only one who
1:28:10
could go blow to blow with Bond. I don't think any of them, even
1:28:16
my number one, could go blow to blow with him because I don't
1:28:21
think they have kept up. But my number one, and it should
1:28:25
be obvious because it's from the best movie, but it is Silva from
1:28:29
Skyfall. And I put him there because I I
1:28:33
can't stop thinking about The Count of Monte Cristo.
1:28:37
And I can't stop thinking about this guy who's betrayed, spends
1:28:41
time in a prison, builds himself back up and then decides like,
1:28:47
that's not good enough. He didn't build himself back up
1:28:51
for his own edification. He did it for revenge.
1:28:54
Like, I just love that. I love that so much.
1:28:57
It's. A good way to.
1:29:02
But as I think about it, you and I, you and I have the same like
1:29:06
we have an echoing theme for our number one where it's this idea
1:29:11
of a former spy coming back to get him.
1:29:14
Like, that's the most compelling version of a Bond villain.
1:29:19
The Super villain who's trying to destroy the world is more of
1:29:24
a villain of the week, and he's going to get killed by the end
1:29:26
of it because Bond's got a license to kill, so why not
1:29:32
someone who's really going to stick in your head?
1:29:35
And shockingly, it's these dudes.
1:29:39
Actually going to cause you physical trouble instead of just
1:29:44
all the planning that could happen.
1:29:48
Yeah, that I like that about Trevelyan.
1:29:50
I like the psychological aspect from Silva.
1:29:55
And yeah, so I, I, I do really like the villains in totality.
1:30:04
There are some stinkers. There are some out there that
1:30:07
I'm just like, oh, come on. Like living daylights with its
1:30:11
dual villains. You mentioned the guy who's
1:30:17
who's got the rifle with a oh, I got the hiccups, the rifle with
1:30:22
a shield. Oh yeah, Whitaker something.
1:30:26
Whitaker, yeah, like he sucks, his partner sucks.
1:30:31
Like there are some villains that are just so garbage.
1:30:36
But even when we get to like the megalomaniacs like Doctor No or
1:30:42
Blofeld or Drax from Moonraker, I do kind of like them.
1:30:48
And Drax was on my list for a long time.
1:30:52
Like I almost had Drax in there instead of Blofeld.
1:30:56
He was the one making poison with like flowers or something,
1:30:59
right? Yeah, and then he was going to
1:31:01
go up to space and start his own little.
1:31:03
Civilization, yeah. And that, you know, that
1:31:10
eventually left the list because I, I just genuinely thought the
1:31:14
Drax felt like Blofeld, but legally distinct.
1:31:20
And I'm glad that Spectre is back in the the hands of MGM
1:31:26
studios because now we don't have to have knock off Blofelds.
1:31:32
Yeah, I think it'd be interesting to see if they try
1:31:35
and fill out both sides of the teams like yeah, MI Six with you
1:31:40
always have the person giving the orders, you have person with
1:31:42
the gadgets and you got Moneypenny.
1:31:45
Like what are I feel like what in the first one or two movies
1:31:51
you had #2 and #3? Like a genuine organization.
1:31:56
Yeah, not #612 from the balcony. What's your vote on this?
1:32:04
Submitted through an app. Yeah.
1:32:08
Yeah, I the thing I keep thinking about is do I want them
1:32:12
to give me another origin story in order to introduce new Bond,
1:32:17
or for them to just come out swinging and be like, be like
1:32:22
Sam Reich? I've been here the whole time
1:32:26
and we're just going to start with a mission, you know, reveal
1:32:30
Bond's face at some point and then go right into the actual
1:32:34
story. No justification for the actor
1:32:38
or how he got there. I part of me wants that, but the
1:32:43
other part of me is like, man, Daniel Craig's universe having a
1:32:46
reboot kind of forces them to make another reboot.
1:32:51
Yeah, well, we'll have to see and maybe we'll revisit it.
1:32:56
Indeed. Indeed, as I always say, as long
1:33:00
as it is a theatrical release and not an Amazon Prime
1:33:04
exclusive. And the reason I bring that up
1:33:06
is because I I want to do a little bit of research before we
1:33:10
get to the Predator franchise. Specifically, I need to know if
1:33:14
the movie Prey ever went to theaters 'cause that is my
1:33:18
favorite movie in the Predator franchise and it might be a made
1:33:22
for streaming movie, which means it wouldn't qualify for our
1:33:29
list. Gotta get with the times.
1:33:32
We gotta expand now. We'll see what we got.
1:33:36
We'll see what happens. It's our it's our show.
1:33:38
We get to justify it how we want.
1:33:40
And do you wanna do you wanna reveal what our next franchise
1:33:45
is gonna be? Oh.
1:33:47
I don't know what the Of course I know what the next.
1:33:50
Franchise is gonna be. It's going to be the I don't
1:33:56
know what we would call it a spoof or a parody or a homage,
1:34:00
because Austin Powers, the international man of mystery,
1:34:05
will be the next franchise we hit.
1:34:07
And I'm curious to see which one of those definitions it fits.
1:34:12
Do they enjoy the good parts of Bond or are we showing someone
1:34:18
that is better than Bond, morally well, Dumber than Bond?
1:34:24
You have never seen any of these.
1:34:26
Am I correct in? Saying that, I think I've seen
1:34:29
clips of funny parts but not many.
1:34:31
More than like maybe 3. So we are once again in a
1:34:36
franchise that I am familiar with and you are not should.
1:34:41
Be fun. That's not always going to be
1:34:44
the case. There will be times when we get
1:34:45
to franchises that neither of us know anything about.
1:34:48
But also I wanted to just say I don't think we will always do
1:34:55
the spoof or send, you know, send up franchise following
1:35:01
things. Like specifically I was thinking
1:35:03
about the franchise for Scream. Like they're like 7 movies into
1:35:09
that franchise. And I genuinely love the very
1:35:13
first Scream. I think it's such a great movie.
1:35:17
I don't want to watch the Scary Movie franchise afterwards like
1:35:21
I I just. Want to skip scary movie?
1:35:24
I mean I both of those are ones that I have not seen so maybe
1:35:28
I'll just watch it on my own. Yeah, like if we do the Scream
1:35:33
franchise and you're like, I need something dumb and easy to
1:35:37
process, then yeah, go and watch Scary Movie on your own.
1:35:40
But I've watched, I think, all of the scary movies, and I kept
1:35:44
thinking, like, surely it's going to get better.
1:35:48
Like there's no obligation for it to get better like.
1:35:53
Oh, that's fun. But yeah, Austin Powers, there's
1:35:57
only three of them. Then we'll do our next wrap up.
1:36:02
I'm going to go through the closing stuff, but I'm going to
1:36:04
do it a little bit differently. We have a plan for the end of
1:36:09
2025 in terms of franchises, and then after that we have a mostly
1:36:15
open schedule in that we have not discussed anything.
1:36:19
So if you, dear listener, have a favorite film franchise that you
1:36:25
want us to take a look at, send us an e-mail.
1:36:28
Yeah, exactly. Let us butcher your favorites
1:36:32
potato chippicturespod@gmail.com.
1:36:37
Just let us know which franchise you would want.
1:36:39
As long as they had theatrical releases, I will count it.
1:36:44
I'm even willing to say like international theatrical
1:36:47
releases, like as long as it was in a movie theater, I think it
1:36:52
counts. That might change one day.
1:36:55
But for now, that's. Yeah, that's how we're going to
1:36:59
count it. So send us an e-mail at any of
1:37:03
those. If you are listening and you
1:37:05
have enjoyed this wrap up discussion, why don't you give
1:37:08
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1:37:39
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1:37:43
And I would love to see you guys there as well.
1:37:46
So I don't I don't have anything else to say.
1:37:49
And we got to think of a new closing.
1:37:53
Oh yeah. Because I've always said potato
1:37:57
chip pictures will return. Because that's what the Bond
1:38:01
movies said. James Bond will return.
1:38:04
I've already watched Austin Powers International Man of
1:38:07
Mystery and I don't remember the credits.
1:38:10
Saying. Austin Powers will return.
1:38:13
They might have. I don't know, like I wasn't
1:38:16
paying that close attention. But, you know, now that we're
1:38:19
getting to the shorter franchises, I guess we'll be
1:38:24
back next week. Leadership Pictures will carry
1:38:29
on and try again next week. We'll try again harder next time
1:38:37
in Austin Powers International Man of Mystery.
1:38:42
Goodbye. See ya.