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309: False Reports, Cartels, & Screw Worm — We’re Still Talking About This Border Story with John Campbell · CattleUSA Daily

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In today's podcast episode with the one the only Mr. John
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Campbell, we are talking about something, you know, I think
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we're all maybe tired of hearing in our news headlines and that
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is the New World screwworm. We've been talking about this
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for months and months and months.
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But if you have been watching the news recently, you saw that
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we were maybe going to be opening a port in New Mexico in
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the coming days. Well, that was clarified as a
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falsified report and that is not accurate.
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But John and I are talking about that today, what our thoughts
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are on the sterile flies facilities, what our thoughts
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are on the Mexican cartel and the cattle cartel.
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We are talking about how this has affected the US cattle
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market, what it's going to continue to do.
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We're talking about our cattlemen in Texas and Arizona
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and New Mexico and how it's affected them and what numbers
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realistically look like between the two nations as well as far
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as cattle prices go. Right now, we are talking about
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all of these things and more and today's podcast episode.
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informed and connected. Now let's dive into today's
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episode. John, welcome back to the
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podcast once again, How is life and lovely Lahana?
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Well, still dry and still hot, but we're we're used to it.
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Oh, let me say something's going to kick in here and you know, it
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was like coming last year. So everybody pretty optimistic.
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I don't know if optimistic's the word, but there you are
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persevering. Let's say, you know, we're,
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we're stocked light enough that everybody just got them
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scattered out and just kind of riding along and, and the guys
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it got water, kind of have enough old grass and it's trying
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to green up a little bit. But I would give it probably
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another 30 days. And if we don't have pretty
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substantial moisture by then, then things probably going to
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start happening. Yeah, it's kind of the theme
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we're seeing with a lot of those places out in the West right
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now. I think Dan is currently in a
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literal swamp. They're drowning in Iowa.
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And I'm like, Dan, you just need to send all of that moisture out
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to the guys in the West, in the mountains because they've got
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too much of it and you don't have enough of it.
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Yeah. I think it started probably kind
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of central Oklahoma and eastern Kansas.
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Those big storms and stuff have hit through there, Oklahoma City
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and down through there and and parts of Texas they're they're
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kind of starting to get a little relief there.
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So maybe, maybe our turns next. I sure hope so.
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Well, what are we seeing in the markets this week?
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John, give us the rundown. We had a, we had a good run in
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LA haunted a little over 1000 cattle.
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Every year we have a what we call a back to grass and
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replacement for special. And you know the quality was
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outstanding. The markets with the Fed cattle
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and the futures were really supportive and you could see it
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here a little bit of dry weather kind of showing its hand in the
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market as well here. The little light cabs, I thought
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in places they might have been 253040 higher.
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Again, you're comparing a big volume run compared to next to
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nothing last week, so you have to kind of take that into
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consideration. But still had some 4 weight
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stairs up to 620. We had some really nice thin dry
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winter black 5 weight stairs up to 542 that what you could call
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it 20 higher. But the to the five week gallon
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we sold a lot more from five O 5 to 5:15 then we did 540 and
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typically this time of year that that's a pretty popular weight.
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If we add moisture 6 weight black stairs up to 460, which
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would certainly be stronger. We did sell some 7 weight cattle
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north of four dollars 419 on some real nice black stairs
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weighing seven O 5 and had some 8 weight stairs up to 380 over
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on the heifer side same way on the little light effers and in
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spots we sell light effers higher than we did a little
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stairs. Some 335 LB effers at 6:30 then
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some 410 would be their Big Sisters at 5:20.
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We did have a really nice compliment of a wean black,
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black moldy high altitude efforts that weighed 560 that
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brought 469 and that was quite a bit better.
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Some a little interest in the replacement deal.
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However, the the futures and the feeder cattle have gotten high
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enough and and then like I said with some dry country around, we
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saw one set of some 735 LB efforts to go back to the
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country at 376. But the feed lot guys took all
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the other black efforts away from the replacement guys and
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some 650 LB efforts up to 420. But we probably had 7-8 hundred
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replacement efforts. And I would say that that deal
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in in our country is kind of come to an end, though those
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cattle are ended up in the feed yard now still a tremendous
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price for them, but just their destination has changed versus
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where they would have sent cattle would have gone a month
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ago. Almost all of them would have
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been bought to, you know, breed and and turn back back out on
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grass. Don't anyway, good run.
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We do have a special stock cow and bear sail next week.
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Karen Lana will probably have, I don't know 3-4 hundred bears and
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some guys still just kind of getting started on some cows
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that haven't cabbed or selling some shortage cabs on on older
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cows. And and we've got several
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complimental fall cab and cows, but they're the first wave of
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the cows as a result of the dry weather is kind of starting to
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show up. So anyway, hopefully we'll get
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some relief. Yeah, for sure.
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Definitely praying for a rain because that's one of those
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sales that you're like you want it to go well.
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But at the same time, we don't need people piling in by the
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masses because that means something pretty darn scary for
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people coming down from the mountain and selling down in
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Mahana. This kind of something we're
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seeing across as far as the market goes.
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So it's a theme that we're seeing across the board with all
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of our other regional operations as well or other sale barns.
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What are we kind of seeing across the the region, John?
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I think pretty similar. You know where where they've got
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got the volume Dodge City, we're talking on Thursday, yesterday
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22158 cattle. They called their light cattle
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kind of steady or their pure cattle steady to 5 iron, their
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calves actually 10 to 20 better. And I thought really pretty
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similar to a lot of four weight stairs at 6:47.
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I think our best 5 weight steers brought 542.
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They get 534 1/2 for some stairs just weighing 5.
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And Dodge City, they had 6 weight cattle just like us up to
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460 a pound, 7 weight cattle to full 14.
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Those that all be cattle going back outside, they're just 200
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miles closer to greener grass than we are.
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So you can just kind of figure the freight difference.
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So 8 weight feeders and Dodge City at 367, heifer side 375 at
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562 and a half, 400 at 537 1/2. They did have some 5 weight
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efforts up to 472 and 6 weight ampers similar to ours 4:15 and
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I think their best £700 amp for dot City Kansas brought 368.
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I was watching a little bit of the Pratt sale today before we
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got on the air. I I don't I was just seeing some
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kind of commodity big 1010 thirty 4050 weight stairs
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bringing three O 7 to 310. That would probably be pretty
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close last week for kind and condition, but they called their
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feeders kind of steady and spots a little cheaper last week in
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Pratt their hefflers 3 to 12 better.
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So 4 weight stairs and Brad at six dollars five weights at
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5:15. Kind of see a pretty common
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theme there 6 weight cattle up to 447.
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They sold some 7 weight cattle a week ago and Brad at 416 and
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weights up to 370 and 9 weight stairs AT3594 weight efforts.
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Brad Kansas 565 five weights at 482, put some 6 weight efforts
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to 412 and £700 heifers at 367. Their best 8 weight cattle at
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354. Salina just had a great sale
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right at 5000 for them a week ago. £120 stairs AT5855 weight
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stairs AT5336 weights at 4:55. Again, you're moving closer to
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the grain, closer to the grazing area, more feed, you'll have
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more operators there that will kind of put feed through cattle
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the year round Where here out on the Prairie, Why it's it's
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pretty seasonal, you know, but 7 lake cattle in Salina at 411 and
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their best eight week cattle brought 359 over into their
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heffers. They kind of called them 5 to 15
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higher four weight efforts at 5:45 weights at 465.
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It's some 6 weight efforts bring 433 and pretty much I thought
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kind of similar on effort, 7 weights at 377 and 8 weights at
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3:43. That would be Salina KS anyway,
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could just you know, it just keeps on keeping on.
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So that's good. We'll take it.
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Yeah, we definitely will. It's been pretty darn resilient,
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even though there's been some things hit the news cycles and
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some different things come out that have tried to rattle the
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market. The live market is just stinking
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resilient. And I think that that is
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something it's very volatile out there, but it's still still very
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resilient. We still have people showing up
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every single week to buy these cattle.
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We still have people out there that need to sell them and
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they're meeting in the middle. And it's, it's proven to be a
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pretty darn great market. And a lot of people are winning
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right now. So it's, it's good to see.
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There's a lot of risk going into it right now with these high
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numbers that we're seeing. But there is a lot of positivity
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at the end of the day. And it's, it's nice to get on
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here and be able to be in a good mood.
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John, I tell you what, talking about things that have been
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hitting the market was rumored last week and further found out
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after it was released in the news cycles.
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And everyone had their little consumption for a second that
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people thought that the border was going to be opening and
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ports were open and a screw worm thing and all this jazz.
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And we're playing ring around the Rosie again.
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What are your thoughts on everything that we saw and kind
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of how it affected the market? Well, I'm, I'm fortunate I have
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several contacts on both sides of the border and know several
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ranchers that not only own land in, in the US in Arizona and New
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Mexico, but also own land in in old Mexico and border traders
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and cattle guys that I've just established relationships with
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and several of them I've known over the years.
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But you're exactly right. There was a new talk about the
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border reopening and, you know, rumored that Rollins had put a
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time frame on it. And, and really that's about all
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it was, was talk about just a lot of rumor and and I thought
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it was interesting. Fly season, you know, is is
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approaching and the USDA, their $21 million investment in the
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sterile fly facility is only resulted in the production of
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about 20% of what they said they really needed.
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But it's a, it's pretty good job to get your sterile flies to
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breed every Wildfly in Mexico. So you've got your hands full
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from the start. Not not to mention, you know,
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you have to get every one of those flies to flunk of breeding
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soundness exam if you're going to get them, you know, turned
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out to really do the job. And I just thought about that.
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Can you imagine getting passports and work visas for all
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of those flies? I, I mean, it's just got to be,
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it's just got to be a nightmare for, for the USDA.
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But I, I kind of thought about that, you know, and at first
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glance, why fly greeting sign up sheet looks great, you know, if
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you're a family. But then you start to read the
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fine print and find out, well, you only get laid once in your
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life. And then sometime in the next 20
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days you'll end up dead along the side of the road in Mexico
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somewhere. But so, you know, really, it's
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no wonder the USDA says it's going to take three more years
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to fully implement their their flight program.
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But you know, Mexico's not bringing any money to the table
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and you've got just absolutely no incentive for the flies.
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I mean, hell, they, how you get somebody to sign up for that,
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you know, but I've been listening a lot about opening
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the border and, and, and, and there's a number of analysts
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and, and not that I'm an analyst, but I kind of bought
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into that. They, they're, they're killing
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these cattle 24, 7 and, and building feed yards and dot and
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dot and on. I think a lot of people have
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predicted that, you know, when the border does open up, that
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not many cattle are going to cross, you know, and going to
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make use of their, of their own cattle and just ship the meat
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across. But you know, the more I think
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about that kind of calling shit on that business model, really
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the only winner if you think about in that scenario is the
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Packer and, and the feed lot owner, every Cal calf operator
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and independent producer in Sonoran, Chihuahua.
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Boy, they want that border open and they want it open bad.
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And, and so do their go to their unions, you know, and, and I've
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been fortunate enough to meet a lot of those guys.
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And I'm not an advocate of it opens or doesn't open, but I do
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know a lot of producers in Mexico and and boy, they have
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done an excellent job on their behalf as independent producers
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to try to correct the problem. And and I know in Sonora, they
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won't send any cattle across that weren't born and raised in
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Sonora. They dip them all.
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I ever make them all before they they would ever, ever come
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across this scenario that's out there where, you know, you kind
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of think, well, yeah, they're just putting their cattle in the
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feed lot and then they're going to take them all on and they're
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going to kill them. And why nothing could be further
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from the truth. You know those cattle and hell,
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they're getting raped and then they're getting thugged down
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there. And I talked to some guys down
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on the border and as of today, 50 LB number one Mexican steers
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worth about 2 bucks a pound, 2 to 40 if you got a really,
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really good one. And why?
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Hell, every Texas, Oklahoma and California order buyer would be
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ready to double that price the second the border opens.
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So, you know, I mean, you know, it's kind of like my buddy Dan
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would say price matters. And that is exactly right.
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And like I would say it's, it's about the money, honey.
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And they're just going to sell them cattle for 240 LB when they
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open that border and they can sell them to some Texan for it's
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just not going to happen. So retaining them down there and
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feed them. I, I, I mean that that kind of
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paints this grand scheme of what's going on.
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They're not going to come across, they'll come over by
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just as fast as they'll let them ship them.
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You know, you, you think about that scenario, you really can't
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ship corn from the US all the way down to Mexico because
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that's what they're fattening those cattle on or feeding them,
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then kill them in Mexico, process them, send them through
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the fat box the meat up and then ship the hamburger all the way
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up to the US and expect to make money.
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They're going to do that. You got to be stealing the
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inventory. You just got too much invite.
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I know their labor's cheap, but you know, it is kind of a
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coincidence the cartel, they, they find another screwworm
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every time things starts getting close.
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You know, if it starts getting a little close, we might, oh, the
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hell is another screwworm. You know, some Wiener dog had
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one in his naval 80 miles from the border.
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That last one. They're they're going to have to
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get a little more original with the, with their screwworm
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victims. But you know, on a serious note,
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if you question at all who's running the cattle show in
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Mexico, you you can't. But you could ask the Geraldo
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Lopez. Up until about two weeks ago, he
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was the Chihuahua Cattlemen's Union operations manager.
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And on the 14th, why he was shot 10 times in the chest with a
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9mm. So because his organization was
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trying to expose the corruption and, and open the cattle border
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trade. So, you know, it's it, it, it,
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it's pretty interesting. Last year they also killed a guy
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named Renato Bravo. He was ahead of the Citrus
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Growers Association because he spoke out against the clientele.
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And I was just having a conversation this morning with a
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guy that trades cattle right on the border.
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And he said they are the cartel is in it and they are in it to
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win at big time. And you know, so far it's
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Packers 2 and the cattle and the fruit growers 0 for the big game
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in, in Mexico. It's they, they control the deal
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down there and they don't want the border open back up and
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they're going to make sure that it doesn't happen.
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And really, when you think about it, I'm kind of starting to
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understand the motivation for US producers to become vertically
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integrated with the backer. It just adds yours to your life
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expectancy. So my gosh, but so it it
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interesting, you know, I, I, I, I kind of, you know, we thought,
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oh, you know, the narrative was, well, they're, they're feeding
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their own cattle down, selling them a lot of corn and they're
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going to kill them all down there with a handful of people.
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But there's a family called Viscara and you think all four
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Packers are bad? They got family, family home
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loan and they handle 85% of the action down there.
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So might not be hard to find a few empty shell casings
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somewhere. You just follow the blood and
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smoke trail there. But so anyway, it that I was
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just curious. I thought, well, I wonder what
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the hell those Mexican cattle are worth.
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I mean, if you're, I knew that no, they're not coming up here.
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But what if it went down there to those guys and it's about
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half price, about 40 percent, 50% of what they would be worth
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up here. And if you think the Mexican
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cattlemen are liking that and they're just going to keep
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signing up for that, you're crazy.
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But it really kind of shows you in a pretty gory context, you,
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you get 1 entity that controls everything and they tell you
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what they're going to give for them and that's it.
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And it's my way or the highway. That's the kind of position you
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you put yourself in. So, you know, I'm not saying our
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Packers are going to come up here and they might stab you
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with a knife, but I don't think they'll shoot you.
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I'll find out if I'm not here next week.
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But, you know, it's just too much power in one person's hand.
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And their natural instinct is to play that boy, they've got it
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going their way. And anybody that speaks up
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against them or, or, or tries to go against this model that
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they've made of running these packet plants and, and killing
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all their own cattle and buying them for whatever they want to
20:08
give for them. Hard to believe how much money
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they'd have to be making off that deal at the expense of the
20:13
producer. You know, I was talking to a
20:15
friend of mine in the feed yard business and I said that just
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kind of shows you we, we really don't know.
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What the true price of our cattle are, because you just
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send them into the background, they kill them and tell you what
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they're going to give for them. So, you know, if we had any kind
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of price discovery at all dead, they're at the same scenario as
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they are because we've already committed all our cattle to one,
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one person. Well, hell, they can pay you
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whatever they want to form you, write whatever formula you want
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or this or that knows what they might be worth if we actually
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had some resemblance of a market on these fat cattle.
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Yeah. And I mean, when you look at how
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long this border has been closed and the ripple effect that it
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has had on the US cattle industry, I think we can all
20:57
agree that the reality of it is, is the way that we were running
21:01
for the past few decades. We need the supply of Mexican
21:05
cattle coming across the border so that we can feed them and
21:08
slaughter them because we're, we're at numbers right now where
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I mean, this entire summer, the entirety of Dodge City and
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Garden is shutting down the plants on the weekends.
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Now they're only running 32 hour weeks.
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Rail speeds are down. This is we're seeing the ripple
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effect of this border being closed throughout our industry
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in a lot of different aspects. And I mean I sympathize with the
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Mexican cattle producer and the cow calf guys down there because
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they have no other option. It is literally that way or a
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9mm. And those are your two options.
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And it, it makes it really, really difficult for them to
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continue what they're doing. But then also the ripple effects
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are coming to the US cattle industry as well because of how
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integrated we have been and reliant on one another for so
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long. Because some people have made
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the point of like, well, it's just like industries getting
22:04
sent off to overseas, like the way that the car industry has
22:08
the manufacturing industry. And I'm like, no, it's different
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though. Because like you said earlier,
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John, all of the inputs going in and then the cost to get it
22:15
back, yeah, it might be cheaper labor down there and cheaper cow
22:19
prices down there. But all of those are
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automatically null and void by the time you put in labor, not
22:25
labor, transportation and getting feed down there as well,
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because they just don't have the infrastructure and the ability
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to handle it the way that we do. And I think that we can all
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agree that the border needs to be opened, but it needs to be
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open in a way that still protects the US cattle herd.
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I think that's first and foremost, we can all agree on
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that. But then I think we can also all
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agree that there's a lot of corruption that's been going on
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under the table with this border being closed.
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And we don't know who is in whose pocket.
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And people can speculate all day long.
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But the reality of it is, you are correct, John.
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Every time we talk about this border maybe getting opened
23:02
again, all of a sudden there's a new schoolroom case just a few
23:05
100 miles away. And if that doesn't get the
23:09
hairs on the back of your neck tickle and say this is his
23:11
little, this little SUS, I don't know what will.
23:15
And I think that we all need to pull our heads out of the sand
23:17
on it a little bit. Yeah, the you know, but but more
23:20
than anything, I think it it, it just makes reference to when you
23:25
have so few hands controlling all the inventory, it it's not
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a, it's not a good scenario. Could just don't work.
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It's not a market anymore. You can't call it a market.
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You you literally the definition of a market.
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You can't call it a market. Exactly, exactly, exactly.
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And I don't wish, you know, there there's a devil's advocate
23:46
too that says, well, you know, part of the reason our cattle
23:48
are sized because there aren't any and we're not competing with
23:51
any Mexican cattle here, you know, and I think the Mexican
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cattle I think would amount to about two percent, 3% of our
24:00
total calf crop total numbers. And the thing about it is, OK,
24:04
yeah, you're not getting the cattle, but you're still getting
24:07
the meat. So you're still at the end of
24:09
the day, you broke some Texas cattle feeders and and you put a
24:13
lot of people out of work because of the physical cattle
24:15
art here. But if you think you're not
24:17
getting the meat, you're crazy because it's still coming up
24:20
here. And, and, and they can call it
24:24
whatever they want to call it and sell it to us and, and we'll
24:27
eat it just like it came from central Kansas, you know.
24:30
And so anyway, there's a lot of people that that really speak
24:35
out pretty strongly against Mexican cattle and, and, and,
24:38
and I get it. And maybe there's something to
24:40
that, but to repeat myself, that's just one step of the
24:44
process. You know, they're right there.
24:47
You, you just ship it across the border and all the mediates here
24:50
anyway, then you haven't done a damn thing.
24:52
It really other than crippled the, the Mexican rancher.
24:57
And a lot of those are, are good guys.
24:59
And like you said, I've done generations of business.
25:01
I've done a lot of business with them over the years and great,
25:04
great, great people and, and honest and hard working.
25:07
And I was talking to a guy this morning and he has dual
25:10
citizenship in Mexico, in the US and he said, I still love my
25:14
Mexican roots. And, and he said I'm still
25:17
Mexican nationality. But he said, boy, I sure love
25:19
America. He said, this is where I choose
25:21
to live. You, you can be, you know, we,
25:23
we cuss a lot of things, but so far we, we haven't gotten to
25:27
that point. So we're still able to voice an
25:29
opinion without without getting shot, hopefully.
25:34
Hopefully you know, if John's not here next week, we we know
25:38
what happened to him. So.
25:41
There'll be me. And then that pilot, dead, flies
25:43
along the side of the road. Punch them all together maybe?
25:46
Sterile it too, but. Oh, it's too good, too good.
25:51
Well, I couldn't agree more on so many of the things that we
25:53
talked about today, John. I, I really hope that this is
25:56
something that we are able to stop talking about here in a few
26:00
months. But at the same time, I think we
26:02
can all also agree that I do not see this slowing down anytime
26:06
soon. And every single time we think
26:08
we're done talking about it for a little bit, here comes a new
26:11
cycle again and here comes a new revelation or a new release
26:15
date. And even if it's false or
26:16
something like that. So this is going to be something
26:19
that, I mean, when you look at it this way, it is stimulating a
26:23
lot of people's pocketbooks right now that have a lot of
26:26
play on a lot of things, whether it's on the Mexico side or the
26:29
US side. Like there's, there's a lot of
26:31
money in this is the same concept as war.
26:33
There's a lot of money in war and there's a lot of business
26:35
and war. And you know what, there's a lot
26:37
of business and what we're doing right now in the cattle industry
26:39
and there's a lot of money to be made.
26:41
And so there's a lot of outside people putting their putting
26:44
their hands in the basket saying we want some of this too right
26:47
now, which I think just proves to add some added difficulty
26:50
for. That's most definitely true.
26:54
You know, I mean, we, we've got, we've got Ivormech for, for the
26:58
worm and, and they dip all those cattle before they come across
27:02
it. It's the fly deal.
27:03
It is really the big deal. But like I said, I, I, I don't,
27:06
I don't, my research showed me that I don't think the last time
27:10
they tried the sterile fly deal, it was a overwhelming success.
27:14
They got it eradicated. But you know, from what I've
27:17
heard, it's more the bait that that killed a lot of flies than
27:21
than it is, you know, trying to breed every Wildfly out there
27:25
in, in in Mexico. And no doubt that that makes a
27:28
difference. But there's yeah, no, most most
27:31
definitely there. There's some politics being
27:34
played here as and too much of it in our entire industry.
27:37
And but it just more proving ground there how relevant it it
27:42
really is. You get away from the science
27:44
and you get away from the facts of a lot of things.
27:46
I don't care if it's a screw worm or carbon credit, you'll
27:49
you'll find some politician got his nose rammed in there pretty
27:53
good somewhere. You definitely will.
27:56
So, well, John, this has been great conversation as always.
28:00
I for 1:00 AM ready to stop talking about it.
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But like I said earlier, probably won't be happening
28:05
anytime soon. And give us a couple months and
28:07
we'll probably be talking about sterile flies dead on the side
28:09
of the road. Once again, hopefully John's not
28:11
there with them and we'll consider it a win.
28:15
So this has been great as always, John, thanks for coming
28:17
on and sharing your insight, your thoughts, and your candor
28:20
with all of us. To all of you audience members,
28:22
thanks for tuning into another episode of the Cattle USA Daily
28:25
Podcast. Have a wonderful weekend and we
28:28
will see you all next time. Have a good one y'all.