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Arjun Chhabra: The Mind's Role in True Healing #0047 · Whereabouts Tales | Stories of Belonging and Immigrant Experiences

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  Hello everyone and welcome to Whereabouts Tales Today,
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  prepared to be inspired by a truly transformative journey,
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  our guest Arjun Chabra shares his powerful story from India to
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  healing in Spain, Arjun opens up about the profound loss of his
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  mother to cancer, devastating experience that led him through
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  depression and onto an unexpected path of self
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  discovery. Join us as Arjun recounts his
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  life growing up in a vibrant Mumbai, including his arranged
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  marriage and the pivotal. Decision to move to.
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  Spain with his wife. This movie United a passion for
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  holistic Wellness, functional medicine, and mind expansion.
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  Discover how he found happiness, embraced a life of purpose
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  beyond financial gain, and how his unique insights into the
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  mind body connection can help us all.
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  Get ready for a deeply personal and inspiring conversation about
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  resilience and the power of looking within.
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  I'm Paul and this is whereabouts tips.
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  Enjoy. Adrian, thanks so much for
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  taking the time for whereabouts tips.
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  It's absolutely my pleasure. It's a pleasure being here.
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  Thank you so much for having me. Arjun's story, I call it from
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  heartbreak in India to healing in Spain, he has a he has a
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  powerful story about healing and transformation which is mixing
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  mixed in the experts in urgent experts story.
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  Maybe I try to I try to explain shortly how we got in contact.
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  I've, I've seen your one of your posts on Reddit and I contacted
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  you initially. I haven't knew that you are an
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  expert as well, but I liked your your story and I contacted you
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  because I want to talk to you. And during our initial
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  discussion I discovered actually you are fitting the the model of
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  the podcast, which makes it made it even more interesting for me.
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  So to begin with, yeah, I mean, I was born in India and it so
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  happened that life was just the usual normal, you know, going
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  about university etcetera, etcetera.
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  And and of course I did 3D animation and visual effects
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  back then, thinking I would become an animator.
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  That was animation the moment that's a Jurassic Park.
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  That's it. I know what I.
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  Have to do aim big. Exactly.
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  So that's, I mean, pretty much I was fixated on, OK, this is what
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  I've got to do. I know what I've got to do.
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  But you know, it's unexpected things tend to happen.
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  And so in the just before Christmas in the year 2012, so
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  my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer.
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  It was stage 1 breast cancer. And what so happened was, of
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  course, to for getting the treatment done, she needed to go
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  through a lot of tests, one of which was the mammograph.
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  And during the mammograph, the lumbos and the cancer spread
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  throughout the body. And within a matter of like four
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  months, like in December, like just five days before Christmas
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  or so, she was diagnosed with stage 1.
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  And by March, end of March, she had reached the final stage of
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  cancer. And it was, it was horrifying
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  just seeing her every single day, just, you know, her health
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  going down and down and down and not knowing what to do with the
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  helplessness, trying to search for answers, nothing coming up.
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  And very unfortunately, she passed away in April of 2013.
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  And that was completely life changing because after she
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  passed away, I was in a kind of a depression.
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  I gained a lot of weight. I was almost touching 100 KGS
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  and I really lost track of life, so yeah.
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  I, I can imagine so first of all, I'm sorry to hear that.
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  I, I know the story and even though I know the story still
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  affects me also the second time when I hear it, to be honest,
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  because it's, it's impressive. It's, it's one of the worst
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  thing that we have from the medicals perspective in in the
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  2020 first century that apparently we are not able to to
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  fix still. I know it sounds, it sounds
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  crazy that I say fixed, but it's kind of we cannot really.
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  It looks like we there is no really big interest in finding a
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  fix for this. That's my feeling at least.
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  You know, I definitely I wouldn't giving out information
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  that will actually have solved get you censored and you know,
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  as we know the means of media. Yeah, but definitely I will try
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  and help you all out with what my journey has been because the
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  the first thing that you know I lost of course the first thing
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  for the first year I left all my work and I would just like
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  depressed and. Sorry for interrupting you,
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  Arjun. I have AI have two curiosities
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  before we dig in deep into the story I have I have two
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  curiosities. How was how was it to grow up as
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  a kid in India. So I'm explaining why the why
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  I'm asking you the story because we all know India for from the
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  Bollywood movies. But I think that not everyone is
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  singing on the street. But after the second word that
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  they are speaking, absolutely, that's the first thing.
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  But, and we all know India from like from travelling and so on,
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  but we only know the, the tourist India, I, I, we have
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  less experiences. So I had a guest in my show,
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  actually she was living in India, but she made a real bad
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  experience because it was happening during COVID when most
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  of the things were in lockdown and so on.
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  So she, she, she made the bad grown up, grown up experience in
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  India. She end up marrying and, and,
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  and that guy, but it, but that's a different story.
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  So based on back to this question, how, how is it to to
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  grow up in in India? Yeah, I'd be happy to share my
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  experiences. And I just start by saying that
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  your experience or one's experience of living in India
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  would highly depend on where you are in India because you know,
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  as you know, it's a large country.
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  Absolutely every state has its own culture and language.
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  And by the way, I am from Bombay, Mumbai and.
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  A star, yeah. I was I always grew up and by
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  the way, my wife also is from the same city and I do not
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  believe if I told you that I had never even gone to the area
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  where she ever lived before I because it's.
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  Because the city, it's so big, right?
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  And I myself till date, if I have to go around in the city, I
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  wouldn't know all the ways myself.
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  Crazy, crazy. I was always like limited to
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  certain areas of the of the city because it's so big and of
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  course we know which areas to avoid and except right,
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  absolutely right. This.
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  And generally, people tend to think, like, people tend to have
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  a very stereotypical thinking, Oh, this is, you know, elephants
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  walking on the street or this is happening.
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  That is happening. Or the city is like, amazing.
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  But every city in the world has it's like good and bad, you
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  know, points and good and good and bad parts.
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  I'm sorry. And so I grew up in a place
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  called Bandra. And by the way, that was
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  actually around that that area. In that area also, there were
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  like a lot of Hollywood, sorry, Bollywood stars.
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  Yeah. You know Salman Khan.
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  Like not personally, but of course he used to live like 15
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  minutes away from my house. OK, that's crazy.
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  You know, I don't know if he's I don't know if I'm I'm going in a
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  strange area where I'm going in a strange.
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  I never thought I would reach in this podcast, but he he dated.
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  I don't know if he dated or he married the Romanian actress.
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  I have no idea. However, I can tell you this
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  that the driver of Salman Khan, ex driver now he actually works
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  for my dad. He has he had when I visited
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  India, he had a lot of interesting stories to say.
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  Just share and. Absolutely, absolutely can't
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  imagine that. Sorry.
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  Go on please. Yeah, no worries.
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  So, yeah, I mean, Long story short, living in India is like
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  in in Bombay. It was not like it was a totally
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  different environment. I grew up in like English more
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  or less whatever, like money, schooling and everything was one
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  of the primary languages of communication.
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  Like I was taught in English and everything was in English.
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  So speak English wasn't a big, big deal.
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  And you know, generally when I came, when I actually came to
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  Spain, people like, oh, you speak English.
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  I was like, of course, what do you think?
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  Mostly honestly, there is no person for me that I met that
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  didn't speak English. Like none.
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  Yeah, because, you know, the primary, although Hindi is
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  supposed to be the national language, however like official,
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  like unofficially English is the language of, you know, that's
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  generally spoken for communication, for business,
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  etcetera, etcetera. So every let's say the official
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  governmental language is Hindi but still every everyone is
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  speaking English. Not I wouldn't say everyone
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  because there's a class system, sadly in India and based on the
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  class system, like the middle class and upwards always know
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  English, almost always know English.
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  But the lower class, I mean, it's, it's sad that they don't
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  have the opportunity because their kids mostly go to
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  government schools and in government schools, of course
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  the government doesn't have like they don't spend enough.
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  I'd say. I wouldn't say Indian government
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  doesn't have money but I would just would say that they don't
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  spend enough. So they generally don't have a
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  good quality education and they don't end up knowing English
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  most of them. I think the classes discussion,
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  it's a general discussion urgent so, but I think the classes is
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  not only in India, it's it's literally everywhere.
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  And my, my personal view of of the world at the moment is that
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  the gap is getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
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  And whomever is in the lower classes getting lower and lower
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  and lower lower, and whomever is getting in the bigger classes
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  getting higher and higher and slowly the the actual middle
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  class, the actual like working middle class is vanishing
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  slowly. Yeah, that's absolutely true.
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  My father had the same thing to say.
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  I actually don't follow the news or economics.
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  In fact, one of the subjects I had taken in university was
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  economics and statistics and all those subjects.
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  And I was like, why did I even do that?
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  You're you're another. I love to, I love to understand
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  how the economics are working all around the world because
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  it's, it's interesting how I only follow them because it's
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  interesting how people, how easy people are getting lied to
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  because they don't understand the basics of economics.
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  And that's I think even if you say, yeah, you don't like it, I
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  think it should be a basic economics class there for
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  everyone. Yeah, it's actually, you know,
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  the way they presented and they teach it.
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  They have these diagrams that don't make sense.
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  I mean, they're not teaching it in a practical manner.
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  I had I had one of my class in university and studying in
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  Romania was public finances. Man, if you think economics is
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  bad, you have to do public finances.
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  Oh my God. This is this is man.
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  It's nothing that you will ever use in this life and nothing
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  that you are able to understand. And the teacher was, I don't
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  know, 85 years old. So his mood in teaching was
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  close to 0? That's awful.
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  I think most people get burnt out, you know, I mean, I can't
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  even blame the teachers. They get burnt out.
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  And plus they are not in charge of deciding what will be taught.
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  And like, sadly, the system, and I'm, I'm not saying it that it
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  was an unintentional, I, I know that it, it, it has been
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  intentional. Whatever we are taught in
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  schools and universities is none of it is in is, is designed to
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  make us smart or, or or that is directly applicable in our life.
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  That can, that can make our life better.
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  That's yeah, that's sad. The goal, the goal is to make us
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  good soldiers. Yeah.
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  We have to be honest, that's the goal and that's how the school
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  is is treating us that out the school.
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  If you get out of the of the of the hood, you can push back in
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  the hood because everything that you do that it's unnormal.
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  It's not like because you're not fitting in the hood, you're not
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  a good soldier anymore. Absolutely.
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  And I, I did face that. I did face that thankfully my
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  family was supportive. But I saw that, you know, people
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  are not. People don't tend to like you.
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  If you're not being a nice guy, you know, you're not, you're not
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  being good towards the system. You're not doing what others are
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  doing. So you're just like the old one
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  out the black sheep. Absolutely.
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  You're the black sheep, you know, I have.
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  I have big struggles and I hope my my son will see this someday
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  because I I'm struggling a lot with, with the fact that my son
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  is going to a normal school and he's, I see his interest and his
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  interest does not fit the, the let's say the teaching schedule
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  or the teaching patterns because he's interested in the universe
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  in planets and stuff. And nobody cares in the 1st
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  grade, 2nd grade, nobody cares. And he's he likes Matt.
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  He lost the calculation and stuff like this.
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  And I love to do it because it's fun.
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  He's not doing it because he has to Like, he's really enjoying
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  it, playing with the numbers, understand how the numbers fit
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  together. He's it's, it's, it's literally
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  his game. And that's not something which
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  is appreciated. So they told us.
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  They told us, Yeah, you know, we do this year the numbers want
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  one to 10. But he knows them, all of them.
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  So I don't know what you're doing, Matt, but.
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  You know, The thing is like, for example, your son is good at
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  maths, right? He's good with numbers.
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  Now, for example, there are like 10 other subjects and then they
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  always take an average of the whole thing.
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  And so let's say he does amazing in maths, right?
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  Same thing happened to me and, and in in the local languages, I
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  kind of almost flunked almost. And because of that, my average
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  came down and I was known as that not so bright student,
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  right? Exactly.
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  Exactly. Then that becomes your identity.
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  Which is absolutely. Crazy.
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  And that directly impacts your belief systems about yourself.
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  Absolutely. And that impacts the way you
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  grow up as an into an adult and how how you perform in life,
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  like how, what are your thoughts about yourself?
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  What do you think about yourself there?
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  There are traumas and there are trapped emotions and.
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  Self-confidence. Self-confidence is affected, and
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  as long as the self-confidence is affected, it's hard for you
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  to perform because you don't think that you're doing it
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  right. Yeah.
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  And I can, I can just, you know, connect this again to our
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  Wellness, because let's say, if your mindset about yourself is
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  not positive in a way, it's actually negative, you know,
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  based on how what people thought of you and that and you and, and
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  then there was a self identity created and you started buying
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  into that, right? And then you think very negative
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  about yourself and you're stressed or why am I that way?
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  Or why can't I be better or look at that person is better.
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  And then because of all that going on, sometimes if that's in
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  an extreme state, your nervous system shifts into a sympathetic
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  dominant state, which is flight or fight.
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  And what happens is most of the time when you're, when you're
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  into those thinking, you know, your, your body's fluttered with
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  cortisol and you're in this stress state and then your whole
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  biochemistry changes. And if, if you keep staying in
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  that state for too long, from over the years, suddenly you
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  feel like, oh, you know, I have diabetes who have this, I have
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  that. How did that happen?
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  How did I have disease? How, how, how, oh, maybe it's
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  normal. It's just a part of aging,
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  right? That's what being thought that
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  is the worst thing. Body reaction to everything like
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  body reaction to to absolutely my I like this thing with that
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  says that happiness is a choice because it's it's it's
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  unfortunately true and unfortunately not so good
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  accepted in the world because everything Yeah, how can you be
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  happy with these issues that you have?
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  It's just a choice if you decide.
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  To and and and the biggest mistake that we can make is try
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  to find the happiness in something or trying to wait till
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  you have that thing that you thought about that goal you want
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  to achieve for for being happy. People are not getting the fact
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  that people are not getting the fact that that's an illusion.
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  First, Second, that the way to the goal is more important than
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  the goal, because the way to the goal takes takes longer time
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  than the goal itself. And the satisfaction of the goal
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  is a few seconds. But if we learn to enjoy the way
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  to the goal, your life is much better.
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  It's always the journey that matters.
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  It's always absolutely. That's why we have a podcast.
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  Not Wellness and beyond, Journey to Wellness and beyond.
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  Exactly. It's a journey that matters.
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  You were talking about you were talking about your mother's
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  illness being a major turning point.
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  Exactly. And so after she passed away, I
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  continued. Actually, before, after I
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  completed animation for this short period of time, because
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  there was no animation industry back then.
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  I'm talking about 2010 in India, right?
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  If you wanted to become an animator, you needed to go to
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  United States or Canada or Singapore or United Kingdom.
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  And so at that point in time, like my parents said, you know
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  what, hang on a little bit, maybe, you know, you can work on
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  your portfolio. And I thought, OK, yeah, you
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  know, let me just work on My Portfolio until the time, like
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  my father said, why don't you just join me in the restaurant,
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  the hospitality business, he had restaurants and just help me
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  manage it. I'm fine.
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  OK, I'll do that. And I'm glad I never went
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  because like, otherwise I wouldn't have gotten to spend
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  that time with my mom the last 2-3 years.
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  That's interesting. And so I also ended up like
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  working in the hospitality industry for like about two to
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  three years. And just after my mom passed
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  away, which was a coincidence that a few months later, the
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  place where I was helping my father with like I was managing
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  with him, I was working under him.
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  It went under redevelopment. So I like literally I had
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  nothing to do. You know what I used to do?
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  Like out of being so depressed and stressed, I used to just go
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  and freaking wash my car for like 3 hours just just to divert
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  myself. I didn't, I was like, I didn't
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  know what life is. What should I do in life?
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  Where am I going? I had no idea.
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  I was totally clueless. Yeah.
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  And of course, I mean, my father, he felt it.
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  And he was like, you know, this guy needs a companion.
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  He someone needs to handle this guy.
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  Exactly. And I was, I was really
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  depressed in life. And so at that point of time, of
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  course, my family did come to the rescue.
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  Of course, my family, my my dad, I have a brother.
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  They also were very affected by that.
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  And my brother was really determined to get healthy.
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  And so he joined the gym. He pushed me in the gym.
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  He said, no, you come with me, let's work out together.
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  And my dad, he encouraged me to find someone because I didn't
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  have a girlfriend. Nothing at all like as as a
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  teenager, as someone like a young adult, as I was growing
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  up, I was extremely shy, extremely shy.
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  I mean, I wouldn't think of doing this in a million years
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  back then. So yeah, my father encouraged me
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  to find someone and I was like, I don't know.
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  I don't know. I don't, I didn't really do
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  anything about it. I was so discouraged eventually,
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  you know, because arranged marriages are a thing in India.
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  So he ended up like creating some account on some websites
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  for me and not, not for planning, not for finding a
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  girlfriend, but directly marriage.
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  You know there are some mad sites and he hired agent.
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  To find someone for me because, you know, there's a whole thing
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  over there that people hire agents to find, you know,
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  partners for their kids and. I have to come back and I have
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  to interrupt you and I'm sorry for that.
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  I I'm officially sorry again. Do you know you said you don't
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  watch TV? You're not a big fan of TV,
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  right? Yeah, I'm not.
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  So there is this TV series which is called The Big Bang Theory.
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  Yeah, that I have watched ESF, absolutely.
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  OK, you watch. Have you seen the episode where
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  Sheldon is explaining why the setup marriages are better than
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  the love marriages? I.
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  Don't remember that, I just saw it once.
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  He's OK. He's talking to Raj in the show.
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  And because Raj is upset that he's alone and he cannot find
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  anyone, he said talk to your parents that they should find
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  someone, somewhere to get married.
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  Yeah. And he explains scientifically
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  why the arranged marriage are better than they loved one.
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  Because the arranged one, the family, make sure that you come
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  together. You are you are on the same
• 21:18
  level and so on. So you don't have that love
• 21:21
  thing. Love is passing.
• 21:22
  It's OK. Yeah, actually, you know what?
• 21:24
  Actually it makes sense because if I get go to see like my
• 21:28
  relationship by the way, we just completed 10 years of our
• 21:30
  relationship. I'm sorry for interrupting to go
• 21:33
  on with that story. We just completed 10 years of
• 21:38
  being married, so that's that's huge at such an early age, I'd
• 21:43
  say. And I'm grateful because I got
• 21:46
  home and I definitely feel that nothing is.
• 21:48
  It's not just feel that has been confirmed that it wasn't a
• 21:53
  coincidence that I found my wife and I got married to her.
• 21:57
  It was just meant to happen. So it wasn't a family arranged
• 22:01
  marriage. It was yeah, but through a
• 22:05
  service, not the family arranged marriage.
• 22:07
  Like your parents knew their parents since 25 years and they
• 22:12
  exactly because it's a different perspective.
• 22:15
  We have to be honest because if we talk about family arranged
• 22:18
  marriage, when I give you the example, you grew together,
• 22:21
  maybe in the, I don't know, or your, your parents grew together
• 22:24
  and they know each other and before you were born, they got
• 22:27
  promised like they, they, they share the problems and said,
• 22:30
  yeah, they will, they will get together anyhow.
• 22:32
  And I think that's a bit more complicated than in this case
• 22:36
  was an arranged marriage, but through an A consultant because
• 22:40
  most probably they know what they're they are doing.
• 22:43
  Yeah, So that, that, that that was definitely different.
• 22:46
  My, my father didn't know her family vice versa.
• 22:51
  And so I think it was her father first, like her parents was
• 22:55
  coming to our place and just, you know, talking to me, saying
• 22:58
  if it's all fine. And then they arranged like
• 23:00
  another meeting in a hotel and like in a cafe and a hotel.
• 23:04
  And yeah, Long story short, I, I had no clue once again what I
• 23:09
  was doing. And I said yes to her, like, on
• 23:11
  a very serious note, you know, and she knows that I did tell
• 23:13
  her, look, you know, I don't know what I was doing.
• 23:16
  I was completely clueless. Well, I love your honesty.
• 23:20
  I love, I love your honesty. I would love honestly, I, I
• 23:24
  think you know, I love you couldn't you could we could do a
• 23:26
  discussion once about to explain me the process in detail the
• 23:29
  process, because I'm genuinely curious about the the actual
• 23:32
  process happening behind it. Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:34
  I'd love to share that. So it's like the agent was like
• 23:40
  sending some profiles because everything was online.
• 23:42
  So he was like recommending profiles from my dad, like, OK,
• 23:45
  you know, this, this would be more compatible because my dad
• 23:48
  had submitted. I don't know what my dad was
• 23:50
  doing. You know what he did?
• 23:51
  He asked me for pictures. And I thought that why is my dad
• 23:55
  asking me to get mad? And I gave him like, I had lost
• 23:58
  weight, I had lost excessive fats and I was, you know, down
• 24:01
  to like 75 KGS. I still gave him my pictures
• 24:05
  when I was still like almost like 95 KGS and all I was like,
• 24:09
  put those pictures. He's like, why are you not
• 24:10
  giving me a present current pictures, like just put those.
• 24:13
  I don't care because somewhere in my heart I didn't want to get
• 24:15
  married any which way. So so the Asian contacted and
• 24:21
  shorts and go to my dad and my dad was passing.
• 24:24
  Sometimes I think it depends on the sometimes it was a pet at
• 24:27
  the parents who had created a profile.
• 24:29
  Sometimes it was a girl itself who had created the profile.
• 24:33
  So my dad passed me a few numbers and I was like, and then
• 24:36
  eventually he spoke to this agent.
• 24:39
  The agent said you should absolutely meet these people.
• 24:42
  They seem like they're searching for exactly what you are
• 24:46
  searching and it's like compatibility.
• 24:48
  My dad spoke to her dad and then they visited our place.
• 24:54
  We had a general chat, what do you do, blah, blah, blah.
• 24:57
  And eventually they kind of liked me.
• 25:00
  And then they they went and they told my, I mean, my wife said,
• 25:04
  yeah, you know, he's guys, he's lost weight, you know, don't go
• 25:06
  on those pictures because I was like, I don't want to marry this
• 25:08
  guy. He's like 100 KGS, you know,
• 25:10
  he's like some more wrestler. So in reality, he looks better,
• 25:19
  yeah. That's what they said.
• 25:24
  And then she was like, OK, I'll meet him, but I can promise
• 25:26
  anything. And so we met in a, in a cafe
• 25:29
  and at first like I think she was even, I was just like
• 25:35
  sitting quietly and I was just like generally looking.
• 25:38
  I don't know if she felt threatened or what.
• 25:40
  And they just like after just having a general chat where we
• 25:43
  didn't talk at all, they said go, go and talk.
• 25:46
  You're both go and talk to each other.
• 25:48
  And then I think she was feeling awkward.
• 25:51
  And then she even asked my brother to come along and like,
• 25:53
  what the hell Is she in the. Yeah, But any issues, of course,
• 25:58
  my brother didn't come along. We, we, we walked for like an
• 26:02
  hour just in the hotel because it was a cafe in a hotel.
• 26:06
  I don't know what came over me because that was not me at all.
• 26:09
  I generally would never do this. I don't know why.
• 26:12
  I just started telling her everything about my life, which
• 26:15
  never happened ever. Like even when my dad introduced
• 26:18
  me to other girls, I never did that.
• 26:20
  In fact, I was always opposing and and and and just going out
• 26:24
  of context and, you know, talking to their family.
• 26:27
  But somehow I don't know why I did that.
• 26:29
  I have no idea. And yeah, from there, just
• 26:36
  tortured. And then we had, like, photons
• 26:38
  to meet. So she was supposed to come and
• 26:41
  meet me for a walk. And then eventually, I was not
• 26:43
  even allowed to have dinner with her.
• 26:45
  She had to come home early. I mean, yeah, I don't know.
• 26:47
  I mean, the things are strict in India still.
• 26:48
  I can't believe it was 2014 fifteen.
• 26:56
  And we just had like 3 opportunities to meet.
• 26:59
  And we had to provide an answer whether it's a yes or no.
• 27:04
  And I don't know what I was doing.
• 27:07
  To be very frank, it was a risk, no denying that.
• 27:09
  I just said yes. No clue why.
• 27:14
  But look, you I have to say it's still a different version for
• 27:19
  the one from the one that I know because initially the variant
• 27:23
  that it's known in Europe is that you are you'll get your
• 27:26
  arranged marriage and you have no saying in it.
• 27:28
  Yeah, but this is in your case was different.
• 27:31
  So yeah, I would say it's different.
• 27:34
  I found the code in the meantime and I feel it's important to
• 27:37
  read it. So the I found a quote from
• 27:40
  Sheldon and I. I find it just super
• 27:43
  interesting. Instead of relying on the
• 27:46
  fickle, on the fickle nature of romantic attraction, which is
• 27:50
  rooted in a complex and often unreliable blend of pheromones,
• 27:54
  social conditioning, and unmet childhood needs, arranged
• 27:59
  marriages are based on compatibility factors like
• 28:02
  education and socioeconomic status and long term goals
• 28:06
  evaluated by experienced elders. It's not romance.
• 28:09
  It's match matching by data. Absolutely it wasn't.
• 28:11
  Romance. It wasn't romance.
• 28:15
  I'm sorry, I had to I find that I searched for the quote.
• 28:18
  That's one point that's true. And actually, if you ask her, I
• 28:23
  think she'd also say the same thing, that she just went with
• 28:26
  the flu and she wasn't sure what she was doing.
• 28:29
  So you got married. When did you how did you decided
• 28:33
  to move move out of India? So after we got married, we
• 28:38
  founded a brand because we were introduced to the idea like one
• 28:41
  of my dad's partners, my dad, because I was just alone and
• 28:44
  depressed at home. My dad wanted me to do
• 28:46
  something. The restaurant was closed.
• 28:48
  He, his business partner, had an idea where he he introduced like
• 28:52
  a handmade clothing, hand loom clothing from villages.
• 28:57
  He said let's do something about it, but then eventually, Long
• 29:00
  story short, didn't work out with him because, you know, he
• 29:02
  had a different perspective and I had different perspectives.
• 29:05
  So I just said, I'm sorry, let's part ways.
• 29:08
  And but I did like the idea of doing something.
• 29:12
  I mean, I had no clue what I had to do.
• 29:14
  I said, OK, well, maybe we can do something on the same line.
• 29:17
  So this was again, dumb of me that just because, you know, I
• 29:22
  got married and of course I felt that all girls know design, all
• 29:26
  girls know about clothes. So it's perfect, you know, maybe
• 29:29
  I can handle the logistics and she can handle the designing and
• 29:32
  everything because she knows everything.
• 29:33
  Every girl knows about design and style and fashions.
• 29:37
  Collars. Collars.
• 29:39
  I don't know any colors. Yeah, but actually that was a
• 29:41
  mistake. But any which was we learned we
• 29:44
  we we fell face flat, but we learned eventually we of course,
• 29:49
  we Co founded a brand Justinzie. It was natural for it was a
• 29:55
  natural light organic cotton clothing brand.
• 29:57
  And what we actually and actually what happened was after
• 30:01
  I got married, there was one important point I forgot to
• 30:03
  mention that since I wasn't on social media, I told you I was
• 30:06
  extremely shy. So but Julie was my wife was on
• 30:10
  social media. So I told her about, you know, I
• 30:14
  really want to do something, you know, find why my mom got
• 30:18
  cancer. What's the whole deal behind
• 30:20
  cancer? Why can't they help people and
• 30:22
  cancer like on the safe people? So she started searching and she
• 30:25
  came across certain posts on Facebook about time Charlene
• 30:29
  Bollinger. I don't know if you've heard
• 30:30
  about them the truth about cancer.
• 30:32
  It's a very nice documentary. I'll just leave it at that.
• 30:35
  Like I said, I don't want to get your Bodka censored.
• 30:39
  So from there it entire the whole can of worms that point
• 30:46
  and and we started researching from there, you know, attending
• 30:51
  online events, webinars and from there it just opened our way of,
• 30:58
  you know, researching about the topic, getting to know and
• 31:00
  learning about health. So actually we started our
• 31:03
  journey in health unofficially, that was in 2016.
• 31:08
  And from there we learnt, OK, environmental toxins is a big
• 31:11
  thing. You know, accumulation of
• 31:13
  toxins, it does affect the body and you know, that's one factor
• 31:17
  that why it can contribute to cancer, right?
• 31:21
  And so we, we, I also felt it. The idea of introducing natural
• 31:25
  dyed organic cotton clothing. Natural dyed is very important
• 31:28
  because the skin is like a big mouth and it's constantly
• 31:32
  absorbing. Even if you wash AT shirt that's
• 31:34
  chemically dyed like 1000 times doesn't mean that the skin will
• 31:37
  stop absorbing the chemicals, especially if it has like
• 31:41
  certain amount of, you know, certain treatments done, you
• 31:45
  know, to, to have to give a feel, a certain feel to the
• 31:48
  fabric. So we started diving into that
• 31:53
  and my role was, you know, taking care of the logistics and
• 31:55
  she was always, you know, writing the blogs, making the
• 31:57
  social media content and talking to people.
• 32:00
  And so we, we, I also had a documentary.
• 32:03
  I don't know whether you got a chance to take a look.
• 32:05
  There's also a documentary on the I, I, I'll forward it to you
• 32:08
  later on our website have placed a documentary.
• 32:11
  We had a documentary. So we ran the brand from 2000,
• 32:14
  like late 2015. We established the brand 2016
• 32:18
  and what again, we were only, we were only India wasn't ready.
• 32:23
  People were like, why should I spend $35 for AT Shirt?
• 32:28
  I mean, I have my own and oh, to save the environment or cancer.
• 32:33
  Oh God, I mean, there's so much of toxins, there's so much of
• 32:35
  pollution. Why should I bother about AT
• 32:36
  Shirt? You know, that was a mentality
• 32:38
  back then, back then. I think now it's changed or it
• 32:41
  has shattered changing at least. So we said that we will and be
• 32:47
  our clients were all from United States, Canada, you know, New
• 32:51
  Zealand. They were shipping
• 32:51
  internationally, but we were facing heavy losses because of
• 32:55
  the logistics, you know, T-shirts getting lost and people
• 32:58
  saying that oh, you know, people are not buying again.
• 33:00
  And because of custom duties, the price of the T-shirts is
• 33:04
  almost doubling because of customs and shipping and really
• 33:08
  didn't make sense. So we said, OK, you know what, I
• 33:10
  think the best thing to do is just shift out of India and we
• 33:17
  and United States was not on the list because, you know, to
• 33:19
  establish a business over there was a big no, no.
• 33:22
  I mean, you, you need a huge capital for that.
• 33:25
  So we chose being sunny, country friendly people.
• 33:29
  At that point in time, we thought, yeah, I mean, you know,
• 33:32
  we need to run a brand. So language shouldn't be a big
• 33:35
  problem. You know, I mean, we don't have
• 33:36
  to really talk a lot with people.
• 33:40
  You know, we just need to establish our brand and it's
• 33:42
  like more European and international from there.
• 33:44
  It'll be much nicer and we left India in 2019, almost end of
• 33:50
  2019. Oh my God.
• 33:54
  Guess what? We.
• 33:55
  I see what's coming. Exactly, and imagine having
• 33:59
  shifted to Spain, not knowing Spanish, to a city called via
• 34:03
  the Lead, which you haven't heard of I'm pretty sure.
• 34:07
  I heard because I'm watching football.
• 34:08
  Oh, you OK? Perfect.
• 34:09
  Yeah. But you know what?
• 34:12
  To find a person who speaks English over here is extremely
• 34:15
  rare. I mean, of course, now that we
• 34:18
  have lived here for like 6 years, we know people who speak
• 34:21
  English. But otherwise, like as a newbie
• 34:24
  to find people over here, people generally don't speak English
• 34:27
  over here, at least not in public.
• 34:29
  So and, and we came here, we just established ourselves like,
• 34:33
  OK, yeah, March, we're going to start our brand.
• 34:36
  Guess what? What happened in March 2020?
• 34:40
  That's what I said. I see what's going.
• 34:43
  And that was a point and you know, when we came to Spain, we
• 34:47
  sold everything we had. We got every every penny we had
• 34:52
  with us that we owned. And we ended up reinvesting
• 34:58
  everything in re education because you're like, first we
• 35:01
  waited, we waited for like 6-7 months, OK, now things will come
• 35:06
  back. But then we saw that things are
• 35:07
  just getting worse and it's impacting the economy.
• 35:11
  How are people, I mean, people wouldn't want to spend like
• 35:14
  again, like $30 on AT shirt. Like, Oh my God, this is not the
• 35:18
  time. This is not the time.
• 35:20
  So I mean, Juhi had already signed up for herbalism because
• 35:24
  when she was writing the articles for natural dyeing,
• 35:28
  what were they using for natural dyeing?
• 35:29
  They were using herbal ingredients and herbal
• 35:32
  ingredients had medicinal properties.
• 35:35
  So she took up herbalism back in India as a hobby never expected
• 35:40
  would be something mainstream she'd ever do.
• 35:42
  And I took a personal training because, you know, going to the
• 35:46
  gym really helped me. You know, it made me, it gave me
• 35:50
  the confidence. You know, when I, when I lost
• 35:52
  the body fat, it gave me a whole lot of confidence.
• 35:55
  And I, I decided to take up nutrition.
• 35:58
  I did sports nutrition. Then thereafter, of course, we,
• 36:01
  we did have a base. We don't have knowledge, but we
• 36:04
  just couldn't have gone out and help people just that way
• 36:07
  because we thought people wouldn't trust us because we
• 36:09
  don't have certifications. So we, we, we ended up gathering
• 36:15
  certifications. You know, I ended up starting
• 36:17
  function medicine for three years and then autonomic
• 36:20
  response testing and what not. And guess what?
• 36:25
  We, we got into depths because, you know, I mean, I don't speak
• 36:29
  the language. How am I going to get a job over
• 36:31
  here? I don't even have a permit for a
• 36:34
  job. But I, I have to, I have to come
• 36:37
  back a bit. Why?
• 36:38
  Why I do it? Because it was closest to
• 36:41
  Madrid. Makes sense, right?
• 36:44
  I opened the map and you thought Madrid is bloody expensive with
• 36:49
  they what's closest? Yeah, Oh.
• 36:51
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Plus, if you if you live in the
• 36:55
  outskirts in the region of Madrid, Madrid in the region,
• 36:59
  it's gonna take. In the metropolitan area.
• 37:01
  Exactly. It's gonna take exactly the same
• 37:03
  amount of time travelling from Vaidali to Madrid.
• 37:07
  Absolutely. 30 minutes by train. Yeah, OK.
• 37:11
  That was the first question. Second question, OK.
• 37:14
  You bought the train ticket, you took everything what you had at
• 37:17
  the train ticket. I'm sorry, a plane ticket took
• 37:19
  everything what you had. How was the You took an Airbnb
• 37:23
  first or you had an apartment hunting process?
• 37:25
  Wow, that was a very good question.
• 37:28
  Tell you what. We had a hard time getting an
• 37:31
  apartment. No one was giving us an
• 37:34
  apartment. Look at how the system is.
• 37:37
  They expect us to have a residency card, but you cannot
• 37:41
  get a residency card unless you don't have an apartment.
• 37:46
  I love this. So bad.
• 37:49
  But it's everywhere in Europe. I don't know.
• 37:52
  Nobody's thinking this through. It's the same in Germany, it's
• 37:54
  the same in Portugal, Same everywhere.
• 37:56
  I'm telling you, I talk to a lot of people now.
• 37:58
  It's the same everywhere. Yeah.
• 38:00
  Exactly. You know how we used to like, we
• 38:01
  didn't know Spanish, right? So that time we used to like, I
• 38:05
  used to write on people, convert, like the English text.
• 38:08
  And then I was like, Hola, Hola, yeah, espero, espero, espero.
• 38:11
  And I used to just start reading it out to them.
• 38:13
  Sometimes they used to lose patience and they used to cut
• 38:16
  the call. Absolutely.
• 38:17
  And I started going to the office and bugging them.
• 38:20
  Nothing happened. And, and day and night I was, I
• 38:24
  was on the phone, you know, looking at like private listings
• 38:26
  and all, you know, and there was this app called idialista.
• 38:31
  I know, right? And so over there, I found like
• 38:34
  a private listing and I contacted this person and I
• 38:38
  said, and at first they said no. I said, hey, hold on.
• 38:43
  Why don't you just meet us in person before you say no, Don't,
• 38:46
  don't just say no just like that.
• 38:48
  I'm absolutely fine if you meet, if after you meeting us, you say
• 38:51
  no, I wouldn't say anything. And I send them our documentary.
• 38:56
  And so when they saw the documentary, they knew we were
• 38:58
  genuine. We're not going to RIP them off.
• 39:01
  OK, makes sense. It was it was an elderly couple
• 39:05
  and they, they got their son because they didn't know
• 39:08
  English, Spanish. So they got their son to
• 39:15
  translate. They met her.
• 39:17
  They showed us a house and it's beautiful traditional Spanish
• 39:21
  house right in front of a nice beautiful church, Iglesia.
• 39:26
  And it's right in the center. And they just agreed.
• 39:31
  They agreed. And it was like, wow, that was
• 39:34
  no coincidence, that is. Again.
• 39:38
  True. No coincidence.
• 39:39
  Also what happened was we also found a Spanish teacher even
• 39:43
  before we got a house. Again, that was, it was just out
• 39:48
  of the blue. We were at the cafeteria
• 39:51
  ordering a sandwich and the person was not understanding.
• 39:55
  She called someone from inside the kitchen.
• 39:57
  She just knew fluent English. And then we just happened to ask
• 40:00
  her, please, can you help out the Spanish, please?
• 40:03
  You know, just and then and she was a student.
• 40:05
  She was a literature student by chance.
• 40:08
  And she ended up like teaching her Spanish for like 3 years.
• 40:11
  She, she did a great job and she became one of her good friends.
• 40:15
  Also the owners were really supportive.
• 40:19
  And this is this is where I come, you know when I say that,
• 40:21
  you know, the Spanish people are really amazing.
• 40:23
  They're very friendly. We have had amazing experience
• 40:26
  in Spain. I have come to love Spain like
• 40:28
  really. And after they gave her the
• 40:31
  house, they got like a new mattress for us, you know, the
• 40:34
  bottle of wine, etcetera, etcetera.
• 40:36
  And then they the first weekend they invited us, come, we'll
• 40:39
  take you for a walk. We'll show you around the city.
• 40:41
  We'll show you. And you know, the way we were
• 40:45
  communicating, always had the phone in my hand with the Google
• 40:48
  translator on and always like something that says stick it on
• 40:50
  their mouth, please, I need to translate.
• 40:56
  And they started teaching us Spanish like, you know, while
• 40:58
  walking, pointing to the wall. Parrid, Parrid.
• 41:02
  They started like teaching us Spanish that way and it was a
• 41:05
  beautiful experience. They were really helpful and
• 41:08
  until date we know know them and we go out with them and we are
• 41:12
  really grateful for whatever happened and the people will
• 41:14
  have been really amazing and supportive.
• 41:17
  I have to say Spain is a different kind of culture
• 41:20
  because of the Latino heritage. Most probably they are extremely
• 41:23
  friendly, but they are genuinely friendly.
• 41:25
  So they are not friendly only for for the what's for the
• 41:29
  appearances. They are genuinely friendly and
• 41:31
  they are, yeah, having a different way of, of, of living
• 41:34
  their life. What was the biggest cultural
• 41:42
  shock after you landed? People don't like coming to each
• 41:47
  other's houses, they don't like inviting people to our houses.
• 41:50
  Everyone wants to meet in a bar. You can't meet.
• 41:54
  You can't go to someone's house, you have to meet in a bar.
• 41:56
  That's the whole culture over here.
• 42:00
  I mean, I like it. But it's strange to invite
• 42:04
  someone. Yeah, OK, that's a good one.
• 42:09
  I haven't had that one. What about?
• 42:10
  So I had, I had in episode 6, I have, I had Kev and Cat.
• 42:16
  They were living in a in a small village in Spain.
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  And the the thing that they said at the beginning was the biggest
• 42:23
  impact for them is that was was the middle of the day where
• 42:28
  everything is dying for 1-2 hours.
• 42:30
  Yeah. Like is that is that something
• 42:33
  which is happens? I'm in bio elites.
• 42:35
  OK, it's a smaller, it's a smaller.
• 42:37
  You'll you'll get a lot of hate now.
• 42:40
  Things are closed like from 2:00 PM until like 4-5.
• 42:44
  Especially in summers and especially in August, almost
• 42:49
  everything is closed like most people are on vacations.
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  And ask the reason we. Don't expect anything to be open
• 42:55
  except supermarkets and, you know, big shops.
• 42:57
  There there is an explanation what they what they everyone
• 43:00
  saying in the comments that they are doing because of the heat,
• 43:02
  because nobody's outside during two between 12:00 and 2:00 or
• 43:05
  12:00 and 3:00 because of the heat.
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  Yeah. So they close all the stores.
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  Yeah. What about the what about the
• 43:12
  food adaptation? Arjun, how did that went?
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  Yeah. Well, you know, the food was
• 43:19
  really different, but I should say the quality of food is
• 43:22
  really high. I mean, it's amazing.
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  Like, you know, like having a tomato in India and a tomato in
• 43:28
  Spain. You can taste the tomato in
• 43:30
  Spain and the tomatoes India is like super bland.
• 43:34
  There's no taste to it, right. So that was amazing.
• 43:37
  Like have like tasting things like vegetables and fruits for
• 43:40
  the first time. That was the most amazing part,
• 43:43
  so. That's so interesting, man.
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  That's so it's, you know, it's, it's one of the things that that
• 43:49
  it's true when you say the money can buy this experience of
• 43:52
  tasting a vegetable like it doesn't matter the money that
• 43:55
  you have and you can pay for it. It's still important from
• 43:57
  somewhere and doesn't taste like it should be.
• 43:59
  Yeah. And I feel really, I am really
• 44:01
  grateful. I have so much of gratitude
• 44:03
  that, you know, we get such high quality food because I know when
• 44:06
  you talk about Wellness, like food is so important and, and,
• 44:11
  and people have a misconception that, you know, natural food
• 44:15
  like fruits and vegetables, you know, it's bland and you know,
• 44:18
  it's hard to eat, but you know, it's hard to 18 because food is
• 44:22
  like, it's not tasty. I mean, we make such amazing
• 44:24
  food. It's really amazing.
• 44:26
  By the way, you know, since to be on that topic and you asked
• 44:29
  me about our experiences and the experience in Spain, it was a
• 44:35
  bit difficult to adjust to the culinary experience, especially
• 44:38
  in why I believe because you have mostly Spanish food and
• 44:42
  Spanish food mostly means heavy on meats, less vegetables, more
• 44:48
  cured meats, come on so, and mostly breads.
• 44:53
  That totally goes against, you know, our beliefs of Wellness.
• 44:58
  So that means we had to recreate food at home, make it more
• 45:02
  tastier. Like we delve into early.
• 45:06
  We kind of learned cooking because back in India we never
• 45:08
  used to cook. I'm a big fan of Indian food.
• 45:13
  Oh yeah, I'm a big fan of Indian food.
• 45:16
  And since I think the last two months, my, my wife and my kid
• 45:21
  became also a big fan of Indian food and we cooked that quite
• 45:24
  often at home. But I'm pretty sure that the old
• 45:27
  recipes are different than my recipes.
• 45:29
  And everything is different in in the own country that you have
• 45:35
  it in your own country like. Actually we don't like the the
• 45:41
  way we cook is like we divide our tasks.
• 45:43
  So I cook half the time, she cooks half the time.
• 45:46
  And so she, like Indian food is only cooked like twice in a week
• 45:49
  because it's too elaborate, it's too time consuming.
• 45:53
  Right. So most of the time we are, we
• 45:56
  are, we are like we are cooking like really simple dishes, very
• 45:59
  earthy. And also because I think there
• 46:02
  is one positive, one negative thing about Indian food.
• 46:06
  And I don't, I don't mean to criticize Indian food.
• 46:08
  Of course, anyone from India, you are allowed to.
• 46:11
  Yeah. I think that someone from Spain
• 46:14
  told me that, you know, we use so many spices, we overcook the
• 46:18
  food in India, that we have really forgotten the taste of
• 46:21
  Indian food, like we have really forgotten the taste of
• 46:23
  vegetables. Although I can't really blame
• 46:25
  because vegetables don't have taste in India.
• 46:27
  That's the problem. That's I, I heard an
• 46:29
  explanation. I had the I had a colleague
• 46:32
  which was coming from India and I asked exactly this, why, why
• 46:35
  so many spices? And the argument that he gave me
• 46:38
  makes sense. He said, you know, fruits and
• 46:42
  vegetables don't have that many. If we have them, they are
• 46:44
  blended, they don't have a really good taste.
• 46:46
  And 2nd you have to make the rice taste different because
• 46:48
  other rice it's boring which makes.
• 46:50
  Sense. Makes sense.
• 46:51
  Yeah. So at least over here, it's so
• 46:53
  easy. Like if you want, I can show you
• 46:55
  what I ate today because I clicked the picture.
• 46:57
  I just send it to my wife. She's not over here right now.
• 47:00
  So I can I can show you what I just made right now before, you
• 47:04
  know, coming online, you can see this.
• 47:07
  So that's, that's brinjal, you know, and, and just chicken,
• 47:12
  soy, just brinjal and chicken. Yeah, simple.
• 47:17
  I mean, simple food doesn't need to be difficult.
• 47:19
  You know, I, I prepare, people complain you can't be healthy.
• 47:24
  I can't be healthy. I can't eat healthy because I
• 47:26
  don't have the time to cook. I take 20 minutes.
• 47:29
  I take 20 minutes to cook. Arjun, we are born excuses.
• 47:35
  Yeah, natural born excuses. This is This is Mexican salad.
• 47:39
  It took me 20 minutes to prepare this.
• 47:41
  You can just see all the colourful vegetables I had.
• 47:44
  Vegetables. Leafy greens.
• 47:47
  Since we started talking, I struggled to remember the name
• 47:50
  of the of the food that I cooked this weekend.
• 47:54
  And unfortunately I can't. And maybe you can help me.
• 47:57
  Is the, is the dish where you have the cheese, the small
• 48:00
  slices of cheese, like the the special Indian cheese?
• 48:03
  I don't know how. Unfortunately, I don't remember
• 48:05
  the name exactly. Pannier.
• 48:06
  Thank you. You see, you see, I know it's
• 48:08
  easier for you, so. And I had paneer.
• 48:11
  I cooked paneer. Of course, if you want to cook
• 48:13
  naan bread besides it, of course, it takes a bit more
• 48:16
  time, right. But in the meantime, you can do
• 48:18
  this naan bread with yogurt as well.
• 48:20
  And it's it's not so critical. Well, I want to say the paneer
• 48:25
  itself took me 25 minutes to make.
• 48:28
  It's. I'm sorry.
• 48:30
  I mean, it's excuses only excuses everywhere.
• 48:37
  Yeah, it's, it's, it's always the case.
• 48:40
  We you know, we always take the hard, we always take the easy
• 48:45
  decisions which help us today. But we never think about the
• 48:48
  future. We never think about the moment
• 48:52
  in which we should take the hard decisions for today to help us
• 48:57
  in the future. Because if you take the easy
• 49:00
  today, it will be hard in the future.
• 49:01
  If you take the hard today would be easy in the future.
• 49:04
  So you have to choose your heart.
• 49:06
  Actually, this is what they are doing.
• 49:07
  Or you are postponing the heart, nothing else.
• 49:09
  Absolutely. And there was one thing I found
• 49:11
  out because after doing function medicine, autonomic response
• 49:15
  testing and all these things, especially after being
• 49:16
  introduced to Doctor Dietrich Klingheart, Greg Braden, Bruce
• 49:19
  Lipton, Doctor Julius Penza. What I found was that you know,
• 49:23
  when there is a misalignment with what you think you and, and
• 49:28
  the way you want to feel in your body, like you want to feel
• 49:30
  healthy, you want to be healthy. If there's a misalignment,
• 49:34
  you're really not going to take the actions.
• 49:36
  Your body's not going to come to a place of healing.
• 49:39
  So that's why interestingly, you will not believe Julie ended up
• 49:43
  like taking up all my studies, my syllabus and starting
• 49:46
  function medicine herself, although I have the certificate,
• 49:49
  but she ended up doing a far better job than me.
• 49:52
  And I, I, I completely shifted into the mind space because I
• 49:55
  felt that the mind was something really we needed to focus on.
• 50:00
  Like for example, you, you just said right now that people don't
• 50:03
  take action. People don't think long term.
• 50:06
  But I feel there's a reason why because people are too stressed
• 50:09
  in life, because people are too, too much lost in the past or in
• 50:13
  the future. They're not living in the
• 50:15
  present moment. They are.
• 50:18
  They're lost. They're lost, and sometimes
• 50:20
  they're burned out and they feel that, you know, I don't care.
• 50:26
  I don't care if I live or die or I don't care.
• 50:28
  Whatever happens tomorrow, I am stuck today.
• 50:31
  What am I supposed to do? I would I would make the
• 50:35
  statement would be different. I would say it's not about I
• 50:37
  don't care. It's about I wanted to have it
• 50:39
  easy today. Yeah, I just want to have it.
• 50:42
  I I developed a habit beginning of 21.
• 50:45
  I also have a bad history of weight.
• 50:48
  I I had my best. I was 200 kilograms almost.
• 50:52
  So a really bad history with weight.
• 50:55
  And at the beginning of 21, I was around about 151 sixty, I
• 51:01
  start to do walks, like literally only walks, but the
• 51:04
  beginning because you cannot really run with that weight.
• 51:08
  And I, I end up doing it every morning between 5:00 and 7:00
• 51:12
  because due to my working schedule, that was the only time
• 51:15
  slot that I could afford to have two hours in which I could
• 51:18
  because then I took my son to school.
• 51:20
  Then I came back from work. I want to spend some time with
• 51:22
  my kid and so on. And I, I had to prioritize
• 51:24
  somehow. And man, from the winter, which
• 51:27
  I decided I will do that every morning, it was easy.
• 51:30
  But man, the hardest two weeks of my life were at the beginning
• 51:33
  where I swear all the cots every morning when I woke up and I
• 51:36
  said, OK, I cannot go today. No, today it's raining.
• 51:41
  It could be it will rain. No, today's too warm.
• 51:43
  No, today's too. No, it's today's 502.
• 51:46
  I care. I will not make it every excuse,
• 51:49
  every excuse possible because I wanted to have it easy.
• 51:55
  Adrian, I want to, I want to ask you a question.
• 51:56
  You said that you, you told us about the trainings that you
• 52:00
  took you and, and, and your wife.
• 52:02
  What was the aha moment? And you said, oh, this area that
• 52:05
  we go into, it's, it's something that we meant to be here and we
• 52:10
  are able to help people. So The thing is that first of
• 52:18
  all, the one thing I realized a little lot of context, but I'll
• 52:24
  start from here, that healing can only happen when we are in
• 52:29
  alignment with who we are supposed to be originally and
• 52:35
  why we are you, right? Second thing that we need to
• 52:39
  realize that we cannot, someone cannot come and heal us.
• 52:45
  That healing cannot happen outside of us.
• 52:48
  There is no pill, there is no magic solution.
• 52:52
  There is no this one person. It's healing is a state of mind.
• 52:56
  Healing is to be in alignment of accept and acceptance of that
• 53:00
  healing energy. It's about creating an
• 53:03
  environment, you know, where it's not just the body, but it's
• 53:08
  like when we align the mind and the body and finally we create
• 53:12
  an environment where it can heal itself.
• 53:14
  Like we have already been given the systems and speaking now,
• 53:19
  elaborating on more what you asked me, hoping I got the
• 53:22
  question is when I dove into the area of the mind.
• 53:28
  And then Speaking of mind expansion at right now that I'm
• 53:32
  doing since almost like the past one year, mind expansion is
• 53:36
  about going beyond the the daily life that we live.
• 53:41
  That's beyond the third dimension where we are living
• 53:45
  and experiencing space and time to access that profound part of
• 53:50
  our subconscious which has which is timeless and has answers to
• 53:55
  everything and to realize one thing that we come here with
• 54:02
  certain goals and motives. Goals for experiencing things
• 54:09
  for aligning with certain things we need to do, like with a
• 54:12
  purpose and as long as we are and the the compass that guides
• 54:18
  us to let us know, hey, I'm on the right track.
• 54:21
  I'm walking in the right. I'm, I'm walking straight like
• 54:24
  I'm walking where I'm supposed to is how we feel.
• 54:28
  If if I am, for example, now today I'm working as a mind
• 54:32
  expansion coach and I'm also launching the service of inner
• 54:35
  wealth mentor. And I whenever I think of this,
• 54:39
  I feel so excited and I'm naturally good at it.
• 54:42
  And that is not something that I've like.
• 54:44
  I think of myself. Is that what people have been
• 54:46
  telling me since so long? And I just had that aha moment.
• 54:50
  Oh my, I'm just doing it naturally.
• 54:52
  Why don't I just do it, you know, as a profession.
• 54:55
  It's why why don't I include it in my profession?
• 54:58
  So I, I got excited with the idea, right.
• 55:03
  And so that's again, you bring your mind in alignment.
• 55:07
  You know, when you're when you're living life with
• 55:09
  excitement, you're happy because happiness is a state of mind.
• 55:13
  You're also creating that space for the body to heal.
• 55:16
  And because you're shifting your nervous system state as well to
• 55:19
  the parasympathetic mode. So automatically when you're
• 55:22
  happy in life, you're going to be like, let me take care of
• 55:25
  myself. I want to be better.
• 55:28
  I'm happy. I just want to do the good
• 55:29
  stuff, you know? I don't want to brood and sit
• 55:31
  and eat cookies, you know. So I think if that answers your
• 55:37
  question, I don't know if that answers your question.
• 55:39
  Yeah, that was exactly the question.
• 55:43
  And how do you, because you mentioned already that you are a
• 55:48
  mind expansion code. Yeah, how does it look like for
• 55:53
  someone working with you? Yeah, sure.
• 55:55
  So what happens in mind expansion is, but first of all,
• 55:59
  you need to trust in yourself and in the process and allow
• 56:02
  things to come to you. That's the very first thing.
• 56:05
  So when first people come to me and say, hey, I'm interested to
• 56:07
  do this. I mean, the first thing, I give
• 56:10
  them certain meditations or I prepare them, whatever they
• 56:15
  prefer by first, because a lot of us are living outside, we
• 56:22
  never turn our attention inside, right?
• 56:23
  Our attention is always outside. So first thing is to, at least
• 56:27
  for a week or so, train ourselves to be more attuned or
• 56:32
  be more conscious about what's inside of us.
• 56:36
  That's like shifting the focus slowly away.
• 56:39
  And then once I prepare the person, once the person prepares
• 56:42
  themselves, then the day of the session is, you know, of course
• 56:46
  we have a big interview like, OK, what's your life been like
• 56:49
  so far? What are the hurdles that you've
• 56:50
  been facing and what answers are you looking for?
• 56:55
  And then after, when the, when we have all that information in
• 56:58
  place, then we start by first some breathing exercises and
• 57:03
  getting the person into an elevated state of emotion.
• 57:06
  That's really important. And bringing that, bringing that
• 57:09
  coherence in all the regions of the brain, right, And the heart
• 57:12
  and the brain coherence as well. And then using breathing
• 57:16
  exercises. And from there, we slowly start
• 57:19
  shifting the person's consciousness beyond this
• 57:26
  space-time continuum where we are constantly living in day in
• 57:30
  and day out. That is, we do it using
• 57:33
  visualization and imagination. That is the bridge.
• 57:37
  That is the bridge. And that is the one thing I'm
• 57:39
  really going to, I'm actually also writing a book.
• 57:42
  So that is something that I have, I'm going to really write
• 57:46
  in depth about because there's a there's a misconception that
• 57:50
  something that is imagination is false.
• 57:53
  But let me tell you one thing that you know, people say, oh,
• 57:56
  it's imagination or it's, I don't know, I just made it up.
• 57:59
  It's not true. It's not true, right?
• 58:02
  But let me tell you something that the world we live in today
• 58:04
  and everything we see around us, the technology, every little
• 58:09
  furniture, every little thing that we see around those was
• 58:12
  Once Upon a time a part of someone's imagination, am I
• 58:15
  right? And the one thing that we come
• 58:18
  to realize is that everything already exists in timelessness.
• 58:25
  We never create anything, we never destroy anything.
• 58:28
  Everything just changes form because everything is energy,
• 58:30
  right? So during now coming back to the
• 58:33
  topic of what happens during the session is once the person
• 58:37
  transcends or sense of shifts your consciousness beyond the
• 58:41
  space-time continuum, they access the feel of time
• 58:45
  timelessness, or some people like to call it the Akashic
• 58:48
  record. You know, it's it has many names
• 58:50
  or a deeper profound part of the subconscious.
• 58:53
  And then they call upon the guidance of their divine team of
• 58:56
  the higher self. Now the higher self is the part
• 59:00
  of the person that's timeless, multidimensional in nature.
• 59:04
  And it's, imagine this, I'll give you an example that it's
• 59:08
  someone standing on a mountain. It's part of you and you're down
• 59:11
  in the valley and you can only see what's right in front of
• 59:14
  you. But that part of you that's
• 59:16
  standing on the mountain can see your entire path, where you have
• 59:19
  walked, where you are going, etcetera, etcetera.
• 59:22
  And it's constantly communicating with you.
• 59:24
  That's what we call intuition, right?
• 59:26
  So during the session, this becomes really strong.
• 59:31
  It starts communicating with you very strongly.
• 59:33
  And every person has a different experience.
• 59:36
  Like some people have had like guides directly being channeled
• 59:39
  through them, the higher self being channeled through them,
• 59:41
  answers coming to them. Sometimes, although I never
• 59:45
  promote that, it's for healing. There was a case once where one
• 59:49
  of my clients had like a precancerous skin condition and
• 59:54
  that that higher self for that part of that person said that,
• 59:58
  you know, disease is not a part of my life journey because I'm
• 1:00:02
  meant to do this, this, this, this.
• 1:00:03
  And that's the reason why I chose this family lineage.
• 1:00:07
  And so let's get rid of this. So people have had different
• 1:00:12
  experiences, like sometimes they see the past, sometimes they
• 1:00:15
  talk to their future self, sometimes they talk to their
• 1:00:19
  parallel self, sometimes they see colours, sometimes there's
• 1:00:21
  emotion release. The thing is, every session I've
• 1:00:24
  had with every single person has been so different.
• 1:00:27
  I can't even say that two sessions were the same.
• 1:00:33
  Oh, it's I have so many questions.
• 1:00:36
  Fire away, I'd be happy to answer.
• 1:00:38
  That how do you how do you so you said you are clearly
• 1:00:44
  focusing on self healing. Do you think there is a part of
• 1:00:51
  functional medicine that is somehow influencing your ability
• 1:00:58
  to enable that in someone? I would just say that in there
• 1:01:04
  is, like I said, there's no one solution.
• 1:01:07
  There are, there are various aspects.
• 1:01:09
  So the way I would describe it is that there are 4 levels.
• 1:01:12
  I wouldn't count the fifth level, which is the sole level
• 1:01:15
  because nothing can ever go wrong on that level, right?
• 1:01:18
  But let's talk about the other 4 levels, the soul level, nothing
• 1:01:21
  can go wrong. It's so the soul is perfect.
• 1:01:24
  And so, but we have the physical level, we talk about the
• 1:01:27
  biochemistry, right? And then we have the mind, we
• 1:01:32
  have the biofil, right? And then we have that multi
• 1:01:35
  dimensional, that timeless mind, right?
• 1:01:38
  And so at different levels, for example, at the mind level, we
• 1:01:40
  can have traumas, belief systems that prevent us from healing.
• 1:01:45
  Like some people say that no matter whatever I do, I won't be
• 1:01:48
  able to heal myself. Like subconsciously they feel
• 1:01:51
  that, but they don't realize that, right?
• 1:01:54
  Or maybe there is there is true that disease that they're
• 1:01:58
  having. Maybe they are getting attention
• 1:02:00
  there. That's that's what they're
• 1:02:01
  liking. And they don't realize that also
• 1:02:04
  that's the reason why they're holding onto the disease or the
• 1:02:06
  body's holding onto the disease. But that's not the only reason,
• 1:02:09
  let's say on the physical region, like you just pointed
• 1:02:11
  out, function medicine. So let's say that they can be
• 1:02:15
  toxic toxins, the accumulation of toxins, right?
• 1:02:19
  They can be parasites, they can be viral activations like the
• 1:02:23
  nervous system, which is again the immune system.
• 1:02:25
  Nervous system is like well integrated.
• 1:02:28
  Function medicine taught me one thing that the body is not
• 1:02:32
  separate compartments. You know, you go to an opera and
• 1:02:36
  it's everything is a Symphony. Everything, everything is
• 1:02:39
  playing in a Symphony, right? That's that's how the body
• 1:02:41
  works. And I'm not criticizing the
• 1:02:44
  conventional medicine. Everything has its time in
• 1:02:46
  place. If someone who is dying will
• 1:02:49
  come to us and say help me when we can't do anything right, you
• 1:02:53
  need to go. To the magic.
• 1:02:54
  System, right. So conventional system does have
• 1:02:57
  a role to play in saving the lives of people in acute
• 1:03:00
  situations, in emergency situations.
• 1:03:03
  But then when we once the person is out of that danger, then they
• 1:03:08
  need to look at, OK, what's going wrong?
• 1:03:11
  Why is the body not working? In Symphony, everything is
• 1:03:15
  connected. That's what function.
• 1:03:16
  Medicine taught me this. This is the one thing.
• 1:03:19
  Look, it's not that one course I did or that one book I, I read
• 1:03:23
  that gave me the answers. It was the 100 things I did and
• 1:03:28
  the little things that came from each piece that completed that
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  puzzle, that big picture, that the question I had What is
• 1:03:35
  cancer? How do you make the difference
• 1:03:38
  between the solutions that you have to apply?
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  It's it's something based on feeling.
• 1:03:43
  So basically in every person's case, like I, I told you, me and
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  my wife, we work together because in every person's case,
• 1:03:50
  believe it or not, the solution is different.
• 1:03:54
  The reasons are different why the person is having the
• 1:03:56
  disease. In fact, as I walked along, I
• 1:03:59
  was like mapping my mom's case. I was, I was literally just
• 1:04:03
  going through my mom's case, always thinking like doing her
• 1:04:06
  case study and saying that why she had it.
• 1:04:09
  And then they came a point in time that I hit the nail.
• 1:04:13
  Now I know why she had it. I know what I could have done.
• 1:04:18
  So The thing is, for example, I'll give you an example, like
• 1:04:21
  let's say there is this guy who works in an office and has been
• 1:04:27
  working, doing that for last 25 years, right?
• 1:04:30
  Not very happy about it. Has low self esteem, low
• 1:04:34
  self-confidence and has like digestive issues, right?
• 1:04:40
  And has developed like chronic, you know, issues with bowel
• 1:04:45
  movements and acid reflux and whatnot.
• 1:04:47
  And has like a lot of allergies and like skin issues.
• 1:04:52
  And it's, it's really becoming worse.
• 1:04:54
  And this person comes to us. So the way we work with this
• 1:04:58
  person is on varied levels, for example, using function
• 1:05:01
  medicine, clinical globalism. Now that part is more taken up
• 1:05:04
  by my wife. We'll first, first thing we'll
• 1:05:07
  see is, OK, let's get rid of the things that are right now
• 1:05:13
  affecting the person. Like let's eliminate those
• 1:05:15
  things as a temporary fix. Let's bring in the things that
• 1:05:17
  will bring down the inflammation because inflammation is high,
• 1:05:20
  right? And once we do that, then we
• 1:05:23
  start working on the person's mindset.
• 1:05:25
  Like first, not directly. The I mean depends person to
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  person and choices. Let's say, what belief systems
• 1:05:31
  is this person housing? Because Novus is somehow also
• 1:05:34
  has a direct impact with the gut, right?
• 1:05:36
  You know, you people have Novus, they have butterflies in their
• 1:05:38
  stomach. And also that's a direct
• 1:05:40
  correlation with the chakra system.
• 1:05:43
  You know, that's the, the, the solar plexus, the root chakra,
• 1:05:47
  right? So something is going on with
• 1:05:50
  their mindset and that and every organ is also connected with a
• 1:05:53
  root chakra with with a certain chakra with a certain energy
• 1:05:56
  point, right. So basically it's all about like
• 1:06:01
  working like in a multi dimensional way.
• 1:06:03
  OK, for example, this person is having now digestive issues and
• 1:06:06
  you even introduce hopes because remember hopes that also they
• 1:06:09
  have energies, Flower senses have energies.
• 1:06:14
  So for example, you, you take a vegetable, you there's something
• 1:06:18
  called as a colon photography. You keep a flower or a fruit or
• 1:06:22
  a vegetable. You see that it hasn't light
• 1:06:24
  emissions, Bioforton light emissions.
• 1:06:26
  So people forget this, that this is a multi vitamin and this is a
• 1:06:31
  fruit or a vegetable. This is are not compatible with
• 1:06:34
  the body. But sure, we can use it as a
• 1:06:36
  temporary fix. We can use it in and it's also
• 1:06:39
  some part of us, which is assuming that it can help.
• 1:06:43
  You know, our belief systems are really strong.
• 1:06:45
  Our belief is the strongest of all, I'd say.
• 1:06:49
  And that's why you can get the same supplement to 10 different
• 1:06:52
  people and each person will have like, you know, like half of
• 1:06:56
  them can have a different effect and half of them will have no
• 1:06:58
  effect because it's also their belief system coming into play
• 1:07:01
  as they call the placebo effect. Absolutely.
• 1:07:03
  Right. So when you see these light
• 1:07:06
  emissions as well, you realize that now, for example, function
• 1:07:10
  medicine doesn't talk about the interaction of the gut bacteria,
• 1:07:15
  the the energetics, but it does talk about like, for example,
• 1:07:18
  the piece of the puzzle that I got from function medicine is
• 1:07:21
  that how would the gut bacteria react to a supplement versus a
• 1:07:28
  food, like a food or a vegetable?
• 1:07:30
  It's going to be entirely different, you know, because
• 1:07:32
  they also have their own energetics.
• 1:07:34
  Yeah, I think I'm, I'm going too much in depth right now.
• 1:07:37
  I didn't want to really bore your audience as well.
• 1:07:40
  It's, it's, it's really interesting.
• 1:07:42
  You said two things which I heard also from different
• 1:07:45
  sources as well, that inflammation is something which
• 1:07:47
  is really bad in general for us on a lot of levels and the gut
• 1:07:51
  bacteria. But this topic with the gut
• 1:07:53
  bacteria is something which developed or expanded a lot in
• 1:07:56
  the last year, years. I would dare to say one or two
• 1:08:00
  years because there was not something that was so good known
• 1:08:04
  until now. That was at least my feeling.
• 1:08:07
  But I would like to go back to information.
• 1:08:09
  So you say basically you're fixing the inflammation first no
• 1:08:12
  matter what? You have to bring it down.
• 1:08:15
  What is inflammation? See, inflammation is like, see
• 1:08:19
  generally also just by living and breathing, as we live and
• 1:08:22
  breathe the mitochondria, because of the mitochondria,
• 1:08:26
  there is certain inflammation taking place in the body.
• 1:08:29
  And that's fine. That's a natural process of the
• 1:08:30
  body. That's why we age.
• 1:08:33
  We can't stop that, right? But generally, given the
• 1:08:36
  lifestyles we live, especially in cities, that inflammation is
• 1:08:39
  generally high because of given lifestyles, nutrition, because
• 1:08:44
  of mindset, you know, I mean, shifts the nervous system.
• 1:08:47
  So for healing to happen, we need to bring down the
• 1:08:51
  inflammation. What does that include?
• 1:08:54
  Also shifting the nervous system, getting the person to a
• 1:08:56
  relaxed state. Because remember now there are
• 1:09:00
  certain things I don't agree with function medicine, you
• 1:09:03
  know, because I have these logical questions in my head
• 1:09:07
  now. But I do understand the approach
• 1:09:09
  as well. For example, they say let's heal
• 1:09:11
  the gut. But OK, healing the gut is a
• 1:09:14
  temporary fix, but why is the tissue turnover not taking place
• 1:09:18
  in the gut? Well, the gut, there is tissue
• 1:09:20
  turnover supposed to take place in the gut, right?
• 1:09:22
  Why is it not happening? So one of the part of the reason
• 1:09:26
  why is that the nervous system is not in a parasympathetic mode
• 1:09:30
  that is essential for healing, resting, digesting.
• 1:09:34
  It's not happening. Like for example, you're eating
• 1:09:36
  something really basic as this. A person is eating, thinking
• 1:09:39
  about their boss, thinking about their work or thinking about who
• 1:09:42
  I have these projects to manage and blah, blah, blah.
• 1:09:45
  What is happening? The nervous system has shifted.
• 1:09:47
  They don't realize that. And now because the nervous
• 1:09:50
  system has shifted into a sympathetic dominant state, the
• 1:09:54
  blood flow is now focused on the extremities and not in the core
• 1:09:58
  and the And the food has to be digested in the core of the
• 1:10:01
  stomach acid is infected, right? So yeah, Speaking of these
• 1:10:05
  things, I don't even know what we were talking about any.
• 1:10:11
  I asked about the information. I can't.
• 1:10:14
  Just keep going, you know? Yeah, I know, I know.
• 1:10:16
  I, I see, I see that your passion.
• 1:10:18
  I love that. I love the fact that that, and
• 1:10:21
  of course it's really good and you have the time to invest to,
• 1:10:23
  to invest, to invest the time to investigate these things.
• 1:10:27
  If, if you'd be to, if it would be to give one advice to to
• 1:10:32
  someone living in this crazy busy world and it would be 1
• 1:10:36
  advice to reduce inflammation. What would that be?
• 1:10:40
  It would start with being in the present moment and being
• 1:10:44
  grateful for the things you have, choosing happiness and
• 1:10:49
  choosing the present moment over the past or the future.
• 1:10:53
  The reason being it's it's your beliefs.
• 1:10:56
  Your state of mind is not just what dictates your well-being,
• 1:11:01
  as in physical well-being, but also dictates the quality of
• 1:11:06
  your life, your relationships and everything else.
• 1:11:14
  The state of mind is a critical 1 and I think the thing which
• 1:11:21
  effects our state of mind a lot. So the connection between body
• 1:11:28
  and emotions is somehow also trauma.
• 1:11:35
  And usually we focus with trauma for trauma, usually mostly in
• 1:11:39
  the childhood. I think it's a has a huge
• 1:11:43
  influence of course. But like the the details that
• 1:11:47
  you are mentioning, the stress, the work stress, the
• 1:11:52
  relationship with the boss, the project which is not going well,
• 1:11:55
  the results of the project which are not the expected ones and
• 1:11:58
  everything which is stressing you in the in the daily world.
• 1:12:01
  Do you think we can categorize this as trauma as well on a long
• 1:12:06
  term? Absolutely.
• 1:12:08
  I mean, and that's a good point to raise about trauma that a lot
• 1:12:12
  of us because you know, as we have children, you're like
• 1:12:15
  sponges, especially from the age of 0 to 7.
• 1:12:18
  And children just absorb everything.
• 1:12:20
  Like even if someone tells them, like a teacher or
• 1:12:22
  unintentionally a parent tells them something, they something
• 1:12:27
  that is like, Oh, you, why did you do that?
• 1:12:29
  You don't understand it. They get sheltered at or
• 1:12:31
  something happened. They see something traumatizing.
• 1:12:33
  It just gets stored within them. And as they grow up, they are
• 1:12:38
  actions and reactions are based on the trauma that they are not
• 1:12:41
  even aware of and things like that.
• 1:12:44
  Sometimes they get diagnosed at and labels get put on them or
• 1:12:48
  that this person is behaving or the person gets, you know,
• 1:12:53
  people start saying, Oh, this is, you know, he has a very
• 1:12:55
  short tempered nature. He's a very short tempered kind
• 1:12:58
  of a guy or whatever. It's actually the traumas and
• 1:13:01
  the emotion that left between us.
• 1:13:03
  But it's absolutely doable to work on them to liberate them,
• 1:13:08
  starting by first asking where is this trauma coming from?
• 1:13:13
  And, and once again, how can you get in the into that state of
• 1:13:17
  asking and realizing that by being grounded in the present
• 1:13:20
  moment, by being present for yourself and by stop worrying
• 1:13:24
  about what's the future. And that's why people also
• 1:13:26
  recommend meditation. What are you doing in
• 1:13:28
  meditation? You're coming into the present
• 1:13:31
  moment. And, and I understand that some
• 1:13:32
  people don't like to do that or they feel they can't do that.
• 1:13:35
  They're absolutely fine. Go for a walk, do anything that
• 1:13:39
  that grounds you, that allows you to be in the present moment.
• 1:13:42
  It's not essential that you really need to sit down and
• 1:13:45
  close your eyes if you can't do that, right?
• 1:13:47
  So that's that's the first thing.
• 1:13:49
  Once you get into that present moment, once you are within
• 1:13:52
  yourself, once you shift your focus inside of you start asking
• 1:13:55
  questions to yourself, the answers will surface, if not
• 1:13:58
  immediately, you will get to know why.
• 1:14:00
  And once you know the answer of what this what is causing this
• 1:14:04
  emotion, what was the trauma, What was the thing, accept it
• 1:14:09
  and just allow it. Just let it go.
• 1:14:13
  It's as simple as that and everything is your belief and
• 1:14:17
  intention. Remember, if someone is just
• 1:14:19
  doing this work without believing or like having an
• 1:14:23
  intention towards doing it, it's not going to work.
• 1:14:28
  Correct, complicated question. Now I had really problems to
• 1:14:36
  formulate it during while preparing this episode.
• 1:14:40
  But there is a there is a thing which always comes into my mind.
• 1:14:43
  You're coming from a country which is, I don't say pretty
• 1:14:47
  religious, but has a good relationship with the gods.
• 1:14:53
  You are living in a country which is extremely religious and
• 1:14:58
  has a good relationship with one God.
• 1:15:01
  I emphasize this because I think it's important to understand for
• 1:15:06
  everyone watching this that there is not only one.
• 1:15:10
  Everyone has his own system of beliefs, but somehow we are all
• 1:15:13
  focusing in the same direction. How do this?
• 1:15:17
  How does the mental healing fit together with spirituality?
• 1:15:24
  I feel first of all, spirituality is just A tag.
• 1:15:26
  Even I try to avoid that. I, I, I try and avoid using that
• 1:15:30
  tag. I don't want to use any tags
• 1:15:32
  because a lot of times tags such as spirituality also get
• 1:15:35
  misused, right? I really feel that first of all,
• 1:15:39
  we need to stop distinguishing and second of all, we need to
• 1:15:43
  make peace with all perspectives that are around us.
• 1:15:47
  First step towards healing is saying it's OK if there are
• 1:15:52
  other perspectives are out there.
• 1:15:54
  That is not what I choose to believe, but that's fine.
• 1:15:57
  I accept and I respect the other person's perspective and I will
• 1:16:02
  have my own perspective and my own belief.
• 1:16:04
  I don't need to go out and make a point about it.
• 1:16:07
  It's fine, you know, if the other person believes something
• 1:16:09
  else. And also realizing that at the
• 1:16:11
  end of the day, we are just over here, you know, this play is
• 1:16:16
  going on, a drama is going on and very soon this play will be
• 1:16:21
  will come to a conclusion and then the players will shift
• 1:16:24
  their rules and then there will be another play.
• 1:16:27
  So, so there is always a bigger picture to life.
• 1:16:30
  There is always more to life. And I think somewhere, if you
• 1:16:33
  learn, and this is the the real healing that happened with me
• 1:16:37
  when I was your in a very totally different environment,
• 1:16:40
  that I got that opportunity also to look within myself is to let
• 1:16:44
  go of the things of the emotions that don't serve you anymore.
• 1:16:49
  Because you know, you do, you know, once you start doing that,
• 1:16:53
  you'll realize how much baggage you've been holding on to.
• 1:16:57
  And you have no idea. Like once you start letting go
• 1:16:59
  of that baggage, how light it feels and how clear that
• 1:17:05
  connection becomes with you and your higher self.
• 1:17:08
  You don't need to sit and meditate or have sessions for
• 1:17:10
  that. You, you took over my next
• 1:17:13
  question, but was the was the healing moment after losing your
• 1:17:21
  mother when you discovered I don't call it spirituality now
• 1:17:26
  because I'm afraid, but do you when you discover I'm just
• 1:17:29
  joking, but when you discovered this, the deepness of the soul
• 1:17:36
  or what do you think was your healing completed?
• 1:17:40
  I feel that it was it, it, it was very recent.
• 1:17:44
  It was just very recently, around a year ago that I had
• 1:17:47
  this experience where I was literally the first ever time I
• 1:17:52
  experienced nothingness. I was in this black space.
• 1:17:58
  It was not darkness. It was very comforting.
• 1:18:00
  It felt it was everything in this space.
• 1:18:03
  And also this realization. There were a lot of things, you
• 1:18:05
  know, when I was asking the questions, then the answers were
• 1:18:09
  just coming to me. They're all thinking and, and
• 1:18:12
  there was a lot of realization. There was some some knowingness
• 1:18:15
  that just came within me. And I just realized that exactly
• 1:18:18
  the thing I told you that we are playing that this, this is like
• 1:18:22
  a play that's happening, right? And we are all here to do
• 1:18:26
  fulfill our roles and energy can never be destroyed.
• 1:18:30
  It changes form. And so we never have anything to
• 1:18:33
  worry about. We just need to understand that
• 1:18:36
  at the end of the day, we are all one and we might be, we're
• 1:18:41
  having this experience, we're having this illusion, but it's
• 1:18:43
  not a bad thing. We need to go through
• 1:18:46
  transformation. We need to evolve, we need to
• 1:18:47
  have fun. And so I think we just need to
• 1:18:50
  flow through life with forgiveness, with love and
• 1:18:56
  knowing that at the end of the day, it's all going to come back
• 1:18:59
  to that oneness. And that was the biggest thing.
• 1:19:03
  I I don't know if I answered that well, but if I answered
• 1:19:06
  that clearly, I would say that was a point of healing for me.
• 1:19:14
  You, you answered it correctly and and it's not about the
• 1:19:18
  correctness of the answer, but you understood the question.
• 1:19:20
  You exactly told me what, what I had, the result, what I, what
• 1:19:24
  I'd expected. I think it's clear then that the
• 1:19:28
  the healing is happening through love and it's not it's
• 1:19:33
  unnecessary love in the way that that we know it from here.
• 1:19:37
  I think it's love in a way that we don't know.
• 1:19:39
  It's still if we don't get there.
• 1:19:42
  And it's more like, I think it's more like an acceptance because
• 1:19:47
  we have to find the serenity to accept the things that we are
• 1:19:50
  not able to. Influence.
• 1:19:51
  It's all about acceptance. It's only about acceptance.
• 1:19:54
  Exactly, Arjun, tell us about the the Wellness resource
• 1:20:01
  library that you're creating. Yeah.
• 1:20:03
  So, you know, when my mom was ill, I realized what I didn't
• 1:20:08
  have. I didn't have support.
• 1:20:11
  I didn't have information. And realizing now that we have
• 1:20:16
  the answer and knowing that the answer is not one thing.
• 1:20:19
  It's not one formula. It's not, it's not some single
• 1:20:23
  pill or a supplement. Me and Joey, we have decided to
• 1:20:27
  come together and create this library Wellness and beyond.
• 1:20:30
  We are, we are still creating a lot of resources for it to all
• 1:20:33
  the all the knowledge that we have gained, our experiences
• 1:20:35
  that we have gained and we'll be gaining down the line.
• 1:20:39
  We're going to make videos, PDFs, just create resources and
• 1:20:43
  we want to offer it to the people at a very low price
• 1:20:46
  because we wanted to be accessible by everyone.
• 1:20:49
  We wanted to be affordable and as of now we have not launched
• 1:20:53
  it, but when we launch it, the price is going to be like €36 a
• 1:20:56
  month, around $39.00 more or less.
• 1:21:00
  And so that'll, and, and we'll, we'll also do like we'll be
• 1:21:03
  answering questions over there. People will be helping each
• 1:21:05
  other. And just to make sure that the
• 1:21:09
  things that I never had when my mom was ill and I wish I had, I
• 1:21:14
  want to make it available for the people so that they never
• 1:21:17
  feel helpless in life, that they have all the knowledge they
• 1:21:19
  need. So that's the one thing we are
• 1:21:22
  creating. And of course, me and Julie, at
• 1:21:24
  the moment, it's on a hold because, you know, because of
• 1:21:28
  some circumstances with family, Julie had to travel back.
• 1:21:32
  So the podcast and the E postcard, as we call it, is on a
• 1:21:36
  is on a hold. So once she gets back, we'll be
• 1:21:39
  continuing it. So we also send out these Sunday
• 1:21:43
  E postcards for, you know, just to keep in connection with
• 1:21:47
  people sharing what's been happening with us and also
• 1:21:50
  sharing anecdotes and small pieces of like information that
• 1:21:54
  can be useful for people and some things about, you know, the
• 1:21:58
  mind or whatever it is. It's like something interesting
• 1:22:01
  that people can also can do just to keep in touch with us.
• 1:22:06
  Via sub stack. Yeah, we have to mention whoever
• 1:22:09
  wants to. I don't know if I'll be
• 1:22:11
  continuing with sub stack because since we are creating
• 1:22:14
  this the library on WordPress, I'm using WordPress and so we
• 1:22:18
  are creating this library on the website so that it's easier for
• 1:22:21
  people. They don't have to go to a third
• 1:22:23
  party place and do all of that. So we are thinking of shifting
• 1:22:26
  the the E postcard as well to the website just so that
• 1:22:31
  everything. Is.
• 1:22:33
  I will link everything below. Thank.
• 1:22:38
  You, Sir, you've also mentioned writing a book, Yes.
• 1:22:43
  Can you give us a sneak peek? Sure.
• 1:22:45
  So I'm writing this book as of now, I'm just trying to include
• 1:22:51
  whatever feels right. This book is to give clarity to
• 1:22:55
  people about what Wellness is, what healing is, what has been
• 1:23:01
  my journey, my experiences so far, that people can learn from
• 1:23:04
  it and grow from it. It's going to be something
• 1:23:07
  different. It's, I'm definitely telling and
• 1:23:09
  there's one thing for sure that it's going to be really hands
• 1:23:11
  on. It's not like it's knowledge you
• 1:23:15
  learn, you know, it'll be something that people can read
• 1:23:19
  and take action accordingly to improve their lives.
• 1:23:23
  And I think might take around a year for me to complete.
• 1:23:26
  I'm not sure. I'm just writing it.
• 1:23:28
  I don't even know how long it will be, but I'm just writing
• 1:23:31
  it. That makes sense.
• 1:23:33
  Makes episode I just don't want. It's a creative process.
• 1:23:36
  It's a creative process and I don't want to put it in a box in
• 1:23:39
  any way. I just want it to be.
• 1:23:42
  I just have one intention as I write this book to make it as
• 1:23:46
  useful as as it can be for the people that people can really
• 1:23:50
  make good use of it because I really want I've, I know my
• 1:23:53
  purpose in in this life is to make people realize what
• 1:23:58
  Wellness is, to make people to get them closer to Wellness so
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  that they can live a more fulfilled and whole life, an
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  abundant life. It's an important topic and
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  unfortunately the discussion about Wellness and happiness,
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  it's a bit frowned upon in in the world that we are living
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  because people are focusing on careers.
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  People are focusing on things which are reachable, like
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  tangible, something that they can touch.
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  And there's something that they think is not worth investing in
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  because they are not feeling anything actively as they are
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  investing, even though it's a process that will help every of
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  us for long, long term. And I think it's a topic that
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  should come more and more in the discussion because it's making
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  the difference between a population which is mentally ill
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  because of stress, because of issues that they are that are
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  are pushing us in different directions and then population
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  which is happy. Actually, I wouldn't blame the
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  people for feeling so, because we live in a time when there's
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  an overload of information and there's every expert, every
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  group you can think of out there speaking about stuff.
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  I don't want to say it. I don't want to be one of them,
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  and I'm not one of them. My goal is not to teach you what
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  to be. The next expert for you is to
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  make you realize that everything you need is inside of you and
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  awake to awaken people to their own power.
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  I'm allowing myself to make a joke and I said for only $999 I
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  can teach you how to discover yourself.
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  And of course, in part like I'm also, I'm about to launch
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  another service, which is called inner wealth mentorship.
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  And it might not be for everyone, but one thing is for
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  sure. And me and you he will
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  definitely there's this one goal.
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  We make sure that Wellness is affordable, accessible, easy and
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  doable. Understandable for everyone, and
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  I think that's the whole point of a lesson beyond.
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  Besides the, besides the library, besides the book that
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  you are writing, is there something else that you are
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  planning to do in the near future?
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  OK. I'm creating a business plan for
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  creating for a Wellness Center in the northern region of Spain.
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  So far it's the northern region of Spain I found was much more
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  favourable for such a thing. The idea is to get like like for
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  example, the architecture of the place would be based on more
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  sacred geometry, right? It'll be an it'll be a
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  non-native EMF free space for and and it'll there will be
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  different. The idea is to have different
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  modalities available for the person over there as put their
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  choosing or recommendations there a place where they can
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  come, where there'll be food, which will be from the farm to
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  the table, there'll be workshops, there'll be treats.
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  It'll be some place that people can come to for healing, for
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  learning, for growing. And so I'm creating a business
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  plan for that. I'm writing a book, me and juvie
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  both. We are creating this resource
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  library online, which we are going to make it really
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  affordable. And at the same time, I've
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  realized that one of the skills are one of the deepest passion
• 1:27:24
  that I have is also for coaching people.
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  And so I'm going to launch this in a wealth mentorship, which
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  will be in Group and one-on-one. So these are like all the things
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  that I'm doing, at least on my part.
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  And as Chuy will be focusing and being a part of the Wellness
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  Center, and she'll be focusing on, you know, of course,
• 1:27:42
  educating hope people with hopes, connecting people and
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  making them, really making them realize that how potent and
• 1:27:51
  powerful hopes are and how people can leverage hopes in
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  their life. I see something which I don't
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  see often. I see that money is not in your
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  focus. No, it's not, although it has
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  been difficult, it's it's been a struggle because but I realized
• 1:28:08
  one thing that, you know, abundance will come, but what's
• 1:28:11
  more important than money in abundance is, is getting people
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  to the place of Wellness so that it's not the same result.
• 1:28:19
  It's not the same outcome that my mom had that they should
• 1:28:21
  have. When was the moment when you
• 1:28:25
  realized then money should not be in the main focus, that money
• 1:28:30
  is a side effect? The moment when the pandemic hit
• 1:28:34
  and we couldn't continue with our business, the reason why we
• 1:28:37
  got on to this profession and it was very clear that this was how
• 1:28:41
  it was meant to be, that we had this knowledge and it was very
• 1:28:46
  obvious that we would walk on this path.
• 1:28:48
  And as I walked on this path, we both walked on this path.
• 1:28:51
  There was only one goal, to not have people lose their lives the
• 1:28:55
  way my mother did. Because there is information out
• 1:28:59
  there. There is support and help out
• 1:29:00
  there. And if the person has access to
• 1:29:03
  all these things, there's no reason to fail or to fail.
• 1:29:07
  There's always a way, there's always a doorway, there's always
• 1:29:10
  a solution. You just need to believe and
• 1:29:12
  keep going. Don't give up hope.
• 1:29:18
  Nice one. I have to say nice one was an
• 1:29:23
  extremely fun conversation for me.
• 1:29:25
  It was deep but those extremely fun.
• 1:29:28
  I'm generally interested in this topic because I think money
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  should never be the focus of any of us.
• 1:29:35
  Money is a side effect that is there and we needed to survive.
• 1:29:38
  For sure it's a need, but it's not the basic.
• 1:29:41
  Need no abundance. As we solve.
• 1:29:45
  And that shouldn't be the focus ever.
• 1:29:47
  It should be following your passion and serving the people.
• 1:29:50
  Exactly, exactly. Find what you like and try to
• 1:29:53
  try to make people happy, making them happy.
• 1:29:56
  You'll make yourself happy as well.
• 1:30:00
  Usually before we wrap it up, I have a small amount of rapid
• 1:30:06
  fire questions I call them. They don't necessarily have to
• 1:30:09
  be rapid fire, but they are tailored on the guest and I
• 1:30:16
  always try to make them as as specific as possible.
• 1:30:21
  India or Spain for food? Believe it, I'm shocked.
• 1:30:29
  I. Can't have spicy food, I can't
• 1:30:31
  have too many spices it feels. I'm I'm shocked now, first thing
• 1:30:40
  you do in the morning. Meditate.
• 1:30:46
  You don't take your phone and scroll on TikTok.
• 1:30:50
  I I have to drag myself to social media.
• 1:30:52
  I don't like to use social media.
• 1:30:54
  Seriously, I'm never on social media.
• 1:30:56
  It's a punishment. I'm just joking, I'm just
• 1:30:58
  joking. I think most of the people are
• 1:31:00
  starting the day with half an hour dumb scrolling on TikTok or
• 1:31:03
  what. However, the system would be I'm
• 1:31:04
  not on social media so. I would say recollecting my
• 1:31:07
  dreams, I'm just there and I'm thinking what I dreamt of
• 1:31:10
  because I'm also getting to listen this.
• 1:31:13
  It's interesting, it's it's an interesting world, this of one
• 1:31:17
  of dreaming. I have to say I'm I'm fascinated
• 1:31:20
  about how our brain is working during.
• 1:31:22
  Can I see something I haven't shared?
• 1:31:25
  Of course. Around 3 months before my mom
• 1:31:29
  even was diagnosed with cancer in my dream I it was very clear
• 1:31:35
  I saw my mom she was lying on a pair of Matt sticks and it got
• 1:31:40
  lit on and at that point in time we had I had no clue even what
• 1:31:44
  cancer was and my mom will ever get it.
• 1:31:46
  Three months before my mom, around 3 months before my mom
• 1:31:49
  got got diagnosed with cancer and ever since there have been a
• 1:31:54
  lot of messages that have been coming to me through dreams.
• 1:31:57
  I have just very recently started realizing that.
• 1:32:02
  There are there is a lot of dream interpretation in the
• 1:32:05
  culture where I'm coming from in Romania and also you can make an
• 1:32:10
  episode on that you. Should actually there is a
• 1:32:13
  friend of mine that I'm is he's a co-author and we're planning
• 1:32:18
  to create like a lucid dreaming course together.
• 1:32:20
  And I'm also very curious about lucid dreaming.
• 1:32:23
  And one of the parts I want to go down on, which I'm actually
• 1:32:26
  already on is how to activate our, let's say, in our abilities
• 1:32:31
  that have been shoved off and is never get spoken about like P
• 1:32:35
  cognition or or let's say remote viewing or out of body
• 1:32:41
  experience. This out of body experience is
• 1:32:45
  something which is coming now with divided different topic.
• 1:32:48
  But this out of the body experience is quite common in
• 1:32:52
  people who are in brain death that you you hear it in in the
• 1:32:57
  stories quite a lot when they are in the brain dead, either in
• 1:33:01
  cardiac a rest or if if they had their heart stopped for a while
• 1:33:06
  and then they're getting resisted.
• 1:33:07
  And they said they all said they had the feeling of being and out
• 1:33:10
  having this out of body experience.
• 1:33:13
  But we can have that experience even without being into a near
• 1:33:16
  experience, of course. And I want.
• 1:33:18
  As far as I know, meditation is something which can bring you
• 1:33:21
  close to that. And lucid dreaming, it's
• 1:33:23
  supposed to OK, it's the first. That's why I want to like really
• 1:33:27
  master lucid dreaming and that's one of the parts I'll be going
• 1:33:30
  down. I'm already going down and
• 1:33:32
  working on towards and eventually I will be once I
• 1:33:35
  master these things and I and I do these things, I would be, I
• 1:33:39
  would be happy to teach it to the other people.
• 1:33:42
  You're going on interesting rabbit holes.
• 1:33:46
  Sorry, it was, it just shifted away from being rapid.
• 1:33:50
  I told you the answer is not be happy.
• 1:33:52
  Rapid. Worst health myth you've ever
• 1:33:57
  heard? Multivitamins is everything.
• 1:34:02
  Take a multivitamin. You'll be.
• 1:34:09
  Fine, there is a multivitamin juice that I know it's also
• 1:34:12
  healthy herbal tea or greens multi herbal.
• 1:34:18
  Tea. Very powerful.
• 1:34:19
  Which greens? I haven't taken a pill in seven
• 1:34:23
  years, thanks to Joey's hopes. Interesting.
• 1:34:28
  Interesting. If you weren't doing this,
• 1:34:33
  Adrian, what would you be? Doing animation without.
• 1:34:40
  A doubt he would be one of the guys behind the CGI's in Game of
• 1:34:43
  Thrones for sure. Actually animation, 3D
• 1:34:45
  animation, I'll be like more like Toy Story.
• 1:34:49
  OK, nice. For moving the dinosaurs, you
• 1:34:51
  know the action. May have you thought to to to
• 1:34:56
  use the experience that you have in animation to explain dreams
• 1:35:00
  or explain the the the the let's say the mental struggle somehow?
• 1:35:06
  Actually, no, because animation takes a very lot of time and
• 1:35:09
  very lot of work and I have to be more exposed to the screen,
• 1:35:12
  which I at this point don't want it.
• 1:35:14
  I want to reduce it in fact. So as as much I love animation,
• 1:35:18
  I think that I want to serve the people and get to this goal,
• 1:35:23
  which is far more important than me than my liking or
• 1:35:26
  entertainment. Of course, I feel very excited
• 1:35:28
  and I know it's my purpose as well.
• 1:35:31
  Maybe someday, when I get to the point where I have achieved my
• 1:35:35
  purpose, my goal, then I might start giving some time to
• 1:35:38
  animation. Give me one Spanish word that
• 1:35:44
  describes your journey. Evolution, Evolution.
• 1:35:50
  That wasn't easy. I could have translated Arjun.
• 1:35:57
  Thank you for such an open and inspiring conversation.
• 1:36:00
  Thanks to you for having me. I appreciate it a lot.
• 1:36:05
  I appreciate the I appreciate everyone who's a who is eager to
• 1:36:09
  talk about this open as you because we need to have
• 1:36:13
  different perspective on even on healing, we need to have
• 1:36:16
  different perspectives because it cannot be one solution that
• 1:36:19
  fit. And if anyone listening to this,
• 1:36:21
  they want they have something to say or they want us to cover
• 1:36:24
  something. I mean, there's like a button on
• 1:36:27
  our website. They can even drop in and say
• 1:36:29
  hello and ask a question and we'd be happy to address it on
• 1:36:32
  our podcast and whatever. Wellness and Beyond dot ES the
• 1:36:39
  podcast name. Exactly the vodka's name.
• 1:36:42
  Journey to Wellness and beyond. Absolutely your Instagram
• 1:36:46
  Wellness and beyond under score ES Yeah, but.
• 1:36:48
  I. Have don't have I forgot
• 1:36:50
  something? Don't use Instagram I'm.
• 1:36:53
  Sorry, not you. Most probably not you.
• 1:36:56
  Have I forgotten something? Tell people where they can find
• 1:36:58
  you and how can they contact. You you can find newsletter, you
• 1:37:02
  can find everything on the website Wellness and beyond dot
• 1:37:04
  ES. You can even write to us from
• 1:37:06
  there. It's all there.
• 1:37:09
  Thanks a lot for your time. I hope that we could do this
• 1:37:13
  again one day and I hope that when you have the book out or
• 1:37:17
  when you are ready to get the book out, we can do an episode.
• 1:37:22
  Absolutely, I'd love to, and it was my passion and my utmost
• 1:37:25
  pleasure to be here and to have this conversation, this amazing
• 1:37:28
  conversation with you. Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:37:32
  Thank you so much as well. Yeah, and see you next.
• 1:37:35
  Time next time. Bye.