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Speaker 1: I have Reiner Formick on the phone with me at
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Speaker 1: this very moment. He's calling from prison. We'd hoped to
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Speaker 1: speak last night, but unfortunately there was a little bit
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Speaker 1: of a problem and we didn't manage that. So Reiner,
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Speaker 1: thank you very much for calling me this morning.
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Speaker 2: Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity.
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Speaker 1: It's a pleasure. Rhino, the time has flown by since
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Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to come and see you in prison.
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Speaker 1: And I'll say this to you. I think it might
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Speaker 1: make some of the audience smile a little bit. But
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Speaker 1: a couple of people contacted me after I put out
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Speaker 1: the report talking about your case and the visit to
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Speaker 1: you in prison. And they said... We don't actually know
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Speaker 1: that Brian Gerrish visited Rainer Formick in prison. How do
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Speaker 1: we know that he visited him? So, of course, I
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Speaker 1: said that I made the trip. But Rainer, would you
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Speaker 1: kindly share with the audience the fact that I did
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Speaker 1: come and see you in prison?
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Speaker 2: Of course you were here.
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Speaker 3: You visited me together with Seva Periglini from.
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Speaker 2: Switzerland. and we had about an hour to talk about.
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Speaker 3: Anything and everything, and we did, and this is how
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Speaker 3: I managed to put you up to speed. Then we
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Speaker 3: followed up with another phone conversation, which nobody is aware of,
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Speaker 3: but because you didn't record anything, it was a private conversation,
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Speaker 3: so that I was able to really tell you about
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Speaker 3: all the details that maybe the public could be interested in.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that. So there's the fact
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Speaker 1: that I did travel to Bremerford or I did visit
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Speaker 1: Reiner in prison. I had the opportunity to meet him
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Speaker 1: for the first time and today we're going to speak
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Speaker 1: a little bit about his case and what's happening. Reiner,
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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of comments as a result of
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Speaker 1: reporting on you and I'm going to say most of
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Speaker 1: those have been really complimentary. They've been from people delighted
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Speaker 1: to hear the report on you and indeed the fact
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Speaker 1: the UK column has taken up on your case. So
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Speaker 1: very clear that you've got a lot of support from people.
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Speaker 1: There were some other people that said to me, well,
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Speaker 1: the trouble is we don't really know what's happened. And
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Speaker 1: when I've pressed them, perhaps not surprisingly, the key issue
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Speaker 1: that comes to the surface is, well, all of that
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Speaker 1: effort over CIC and all of the money that people raised,
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Speaker 1: it's all gone. And now we're just left in no
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Speaker 1: man's land. Rhino, what's your response to people that believe
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Speaker 1: at the moment that all of the money that was
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Speaker 1: raised has been lost and that you've taken money and
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Speaker 1: that money no longer exists? What can you say to
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Speaker 1: the supporters that have got concerns in these areas?
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Speaker 3: Well, the short answer is this is fake news.
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Speaker 2: The money is still there.
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Speaker 3: The part of the money, of course, was used over,
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Speaker 3: I think, two years or so when I was still there.
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Speaker 3: It was used to pay for the translators, for the technicians,
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Speaker 3: for the live stream people. for all kinds of things, bookkeeping, security.
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Speaker 2: But most of the money is still there.
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Speaker 3: For example, both Viviana and myself decided after we had
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Speaker 3: been warned by an American journalist by the name of
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Speaker 3: James Henry that the police or the prosecution was about
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Speaker 3: to seize or had seized money from our friend Sushrit
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Speaker 3: Bhakti's outfit, MVDFG, I think is their name.
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Speaker 2: It turned out to be a false alarm.
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Speaker 3: But when he came and visited us, right one day
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Speaker 3: after he had done an interview, the journalist, James Henry,
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Speaker 3: one day after he had done an interview in Kiel
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Speaker 3: with Susharit Bhakti, it sounded extremely alarming. And that's when
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Speaker 3: Viviana Fischer and I decided that we would take some
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Speaker 3: of the money and some of the donation money out
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Speaker 3: of the account and by way of a loan, of course,
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Speaker 3: because we wanted everything to be official in case somebody
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Speaker 3: looked into the books of the Corona Investigative Committee. So
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Speaker 3: we took out two or three loans.
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Speaker 2: I took out $ 700, 000.
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Speaker 3: Vivianne took out.
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Speaker 2: $ 100, 000.
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Speaker 3: I believe that her money was secure because she owned
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Speaker 3: a ranch-style piece of property in eastern Germany. I was
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Speaker 3: wrong about that because it was her husband's money or ranch.
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Speaker 3: In my case, of course, I had more than enough
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Speaker 3: money to pay back the loan. This only served one purpose,
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Speaker 3: meaning to protect part of the donation money from getting
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Speaker 3: seized by the government, by the deep state, in essence.
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Speaker 3: And that money, in my case, $ 700, 000, I mean, I
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Speaker 3: had several homes that I was in the process of selling.
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Speaker 3: And the last one, before I was going to move
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Speaker 3: back to the United States, I mean, I was keeping
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Speaker 3: my law firm here, but the last one was.
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Speaker 2: Just being put on sale.
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Speaker 3: When we took out the loans and when I was
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Speaker 3: going to pay back the loan, because then this is
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Speaker 3: in August of 2022, I was about to pay back
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Speaker 3: the loan. I had a buyer who was going to
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Speaker 3: pay for the last home that.
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Speaker 2: I owned in Göttingen.
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Speaker 3: I had sold five other homes before that, but the
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Speaker 3: last one needed to be sold, because as a former banker,
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Speaker 3: I once worked for Deutsche Bank in Tokyo, as.
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Speaker 2: A banker, not as a lawyer.
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Speaker 3: I knew that Germany was being, well, being deindustrialized, effectively,
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Speaker 3: and that the economy was going to crash, as it
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Speaker 3: is now.
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Speaker 2: It's crashing. So I was about to pay back the loan.
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Speaker 3: I wrote to Viviana Fischer, and I told her in
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Speaker 3: an email, I told her that I had just gotten
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Speaker 3: an offer for 1.3 million euros, which is more than
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Speaker 3: enough to pay back the loan, which was only in
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Speaker 3: the amount of 700,000. She, I don't know why she
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Speaker 3: did this, but she immediately forwarded this email to two
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Speaker 3: former members of the Corona Investigative Committee, two people who I,
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Speaker 3: of all people, had brought into the Corona Investigative Committee
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Speaker 3: because Viviana had wanted us to be four, four members.
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Speaker 3: And since two professors, one is an economist and the
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Speaker 3: other one is probably one of the most important researchers
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Speaker 3: on vaccines in Germany, these two people had bowed out
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Speaker 3: because they didn't really trust Viviane Fischer. So I was
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Speaker 3: the one whom she asked, how can we get another
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Speaker 3: two people in here?
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Speaker 2: Since there's, at that point in.
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Speaker 3: Time, this is in July of 2020, no attorneys were
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Speaker 3: interested would want to stick their necks out.
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Speaker 2: Everybody was scared shitless.
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Speaker 3: And so I decided I'm going to ask these two
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Speaker 3: people because I had known them from my work at
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Speaker 3: the NGO, at the anti-corruption NGO, Transparency International. I knew
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Speaker 3: they're not the brightest candles on the chandelier, but I thought, hey,
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Speaker 3: as long as my friend, Professor Martin Schwab, whose protegees
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Speaker 3: these guys are, as long as he watches over them.
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Speaker 2: They can't do too much damage.
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Speaker 3: And we have another two puppets on the Corona Investigative Committee.
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Speaker 2: But we had kicked them out.
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Speaker 3: Viviane Fischer and I had kicked them out in August
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Speaker 3: of 21, when we realized that these people, first of all,
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Speaker 3: weren't interested in our work, but only interested in the money.
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Speaker 3: And A few months later, we understood that one of
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Speaker 3: them had been working for the deep state, for the
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Speaker 3: German domestic intelligence service, I think since right after her
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Speaker 3: graduation from law school.
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Speaker 2: So we had kicked them out.
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Speaker 3: But for some strange reason, the email that I just
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Speaker 3: talked about, in which email of August of 26, August
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Speaker 3: 26 of 2022, in which I announced to Viviana that
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Speaker 3: I was going to go back to the United States,
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Speaker 3: back to the ranch, because I was going to focus
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Speaker 3: more on my American legal work than on my German— plus
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Speaker 3: I had someone who was taking care of the firm
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Speaker 3: in Germany— I would constantly be in touch with her. Because,
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Speaker 3: you know, I had been traveling back and forth between
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Speaker 3: Germany and the United States for years, long before corona.
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Speaker 3: And I told her in this email, I'm about to
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Speaker 3: pay back the loan. I'm going to go back to
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Speaker 3: the States. We're going to continue, even though you are
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Speaker 3: a very chaotic person. I'm going to continue to work
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Speaker 3: with you on the Corona Investigative Committee because it's so important.
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Speaker 3: We're gathering all this evidence, which I intended to use
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Speaker 3: in Nuremberg 2.0 trials.
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Speaker 2: But this email....
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Speaker 3: For reasons that I still don't understand, was sent by
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Speaker 3: Viviana Fischer to these two people who had only been
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Speaker 3: interested in the money of the Corona Investigative Committee and
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Speaker 3: who now, in August of 2022, were almost openly working
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Speaker 3: for the deep state. And that's—and they, of course, gave
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Speaker 3: it immediately to the German domestic intelligence service, the Constitutional
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Speaker 3: Protection Agency. And they then tried to take me down
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Speaker 3: by writing a letter directly to the DA's office.
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Speaker 2: In Göttingen, obviously believing and.
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Speaker 3: Suggesting that they invent a crime against me so that
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Speaker 3: they could take me down because of my work for
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Speaker 3: the Corona Investigative Committee, which, of course, was critical of
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Speaker 3: the government and was going to be used to hold
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Speaker 3: the government accountable. But their first attempt failed on June
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Speaker 3: the 16th of 2022. Yes, on June the 16th of 2022,
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Speaker 3: because unexpectedly the case landed on the desk of the
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Speaker 3: one law-abiding prosecutor, a senior prosecutor by the name of
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Speaker 3: Reinicke in Göttingen. And she had actually watched our shows,
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Speaker 3: and she, too, wanted to know what was going on
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Speaker 3: with the corona pandemic. By the way, just like someone,
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Speaker 3: a very famous man, a former president of the German
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Speaker 3: Constitutional Court, who to this day says the legal system
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Speaker 3: failed the people during corona.
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Speaker 2: We need a thorough and.
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Speaker 3: Independent legal investigation of what happened.
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Speaker 2: Of course, they're trying to shut him up, too.
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Speaker 3: So this first attempt at taking me down failed because
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Speaker 3: she decided, first of all, I'm a prosecutor. I am
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Speaker 3: not going to follow any orders to take someone down
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Speaker 3: who hasn't committed any crime whatsoever, and I'm shutting this
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Speaker 3: case down. Two and a half months later, the very
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Speaker 3: same people who had been after the Corona Committee's money,
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Speaker 3: the two people whom we had thrown out in.
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Speaker 2: August of 2021.
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Speaker 3: Were sent by the deep state, by the Constitutional Protection Agency,
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Speaker 3: once again sent after me, and they filed a criminal complaint.
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Speaker 3: This is all based on my email, in which I
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Speaker 3: announced that I was going to pay back.
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Speaker 2: The 700,000 euros.
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Speaker 3: And this was extremely urgent for them, because if I
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Speaker 3: did pay back the loan, then they wouldn't have anything
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Speaker 3: left to pin on me. So that's why they immediately,
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Speaker 3: almost immediately, two and a half months after that senior
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Speaker 3: prosecutor had refused to even open a criminal investigation, because
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Speaker 3: there's nothing criminal about anything.
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Speaker 2: We had done, including me, of course, had done.
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Speaker 3: Two and a half months later, and this is on
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Speaker 3: September the 2nd of 2022, they filed a criminal complaint,
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Speaker 3: which was totally 1,000 percent false. claiming that I had
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Speaker 3: taken out an illegal loan and refused to pay it back.
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Speaker 3: It later turned out, of course, it wasn't an illegal loan.
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Speaker 3: It was perfectly okay under corporate law, and the money
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Speaker 3: was not gone. The problem was that at the same
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Speaker 3: time that they filed the criminal complaint, arguing that I
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Speaker 3: had taken out money, a loan, without wanting to pay
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Speaker 3: it back. At almost the same time, they took 1.158, 1,158,000 euros,
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Speaker 3: the money that I had earmarked for paying back the loan.
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Speaker 2: How did they do this?
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Speaker 3: They went to the notary publics in the United States,
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Speaker 3: this person would be called an escrow agent.
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Speaker 2: They went to the notary public, who was.
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Speaker 3: In charge of making sure that the purchase price is paid.
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Speaker 3: And probably with the help of— we don't know the details,
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Speaker 3: but probably with the help of nudging, let's put it
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Speaker 3: that way, by the domestic intelligence service, this made him,
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Speaker 3: this notary public made him send the purchase price instead
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Speaker 3: of to my or my wife's bank account. They sent it,
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Speaker 3: they transferred it to the three people's bank account who
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Speaker 3: had filed the criminal complaint. In other words, the money
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Speaker 3: is still there.
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Speaker 2: I didn't use it.
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Speaker 3: Because I didn't even get my hands on it. It's
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Speaker 3: in their bank account. And that's why the, and they
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Speaker 3: demonetized not just me, but also my wife, who had
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Speaker 3: nothing to do with anything. The money should still be there, unless,
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Speaker 3: of course, they were only there to take the money
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Speaker 3: and forward it to the deep state.
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Speaker 2: I don't know about that.
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Speaker 3: Plus, There is another, I think, 2 million or so
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Speaker 3: euros in gold, because we had purchased gold back then,
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Speaker 3: not just to protect the money, but also because, as
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Speaker 3: a former banker, I knew that gold, the price for
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Speaker 3: gold would be rising due to the fact that the
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Speaker 3: economy was going down. And so that money is also
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Speaker 3: still there. Nothing's lost.
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Speaker 2: It's all there. Right.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for taking us through that. I
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Speaker 1: think that's a very, very helpful point. And I'm sure
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Speaker 1: that many people will be very reassured to hear that.
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Speaker 1: Of course, it also shows that when you challenge the
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Speaker 1: state in one way, you've also got to be prepared
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Speaker 1: to defend yourself in another way if there's any pushback.
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Speaker 1: So Anybody that's been supporting CIC, it seems to me,
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Speaker 1: has now learned another lesson that this is not simply
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Speaker 1: a question of taking the state to court. It's also
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Speaker 1: being able to deal with the dirty tricks that a
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Speaker 1: government and its agents are prepared to use to stop
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Speaker 1: the truth coming out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. The thing is that even though as a lawyer,
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Speaker 3: you don't really expect me to be in any way spiritual,
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Speaker 3: but I always did for two reasons. First of all,
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Speaker 3: I don't think that any German lawyer has tried more
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Speaker 3: cases than I have.
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Speaker 2: I tried between.
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Speaker 3: At least a thousand cases over the 30 years of
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Speaker 3: my professional experience. And no one, and I tried, I
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Speaker 3: went to court almost every day.
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Speaker 2: Some days I would be in two courts, first in
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Speaker 2: Frankfurt and then in Stuttgart.
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Speaker 3: And I did— I interrogated— I interviewed so many witnesses, between 2,500
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Speaker 3: and 3,000 witnesses, that I usually know after about a
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Speaker 3: minute or two whether I can trust someone or not.
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Speaker 2: And I knew— right from the start, I knew that the
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Speaker 2: two people who.
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Speaker 3: I had brought into the Corona Investigative Committee— that they
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Speaker 3: weren't the brightest candle on the chandelier and that.
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Speaker 2: You really couldn't trust them.
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Speaker 3: But I thought it wouldn't matter because I was running
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Speaker 3: that show anyway. And they would, you know, just be
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Speaker 3: kind of sitting in the background. And that's what they did.
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Speaker 3: I had no idea that they were after the money.
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Speaker 3: And when we understood that that was the case, Vivian
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Speaker 3: and I kicked them off the Corona Committee. This is
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Speaker 3: in August of 2021. And I should have listened to
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Speaker 3: my wife because she said, Reiner, I've met these people.
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Speaker 3: You have a very bad feeling when your gut instinct
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Speaker 3: tells you that there's something wrong with them.
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Speaker 2: Listen to your gut instinct. And I thought, nah, I
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Speaker 2: don't need to worry about it.
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Speaker 3: But I had no idea, and neither did Inka, that
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Speaker 3: these people were actually working for the deep state, that
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Speaker 3: these attorneys from Berlin have now been turned into agents
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Speaker 3: for the deep state. Had I known that, I would
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Speaker 3: have acted very differently, very differently.
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Speaker 1: Thank you for that, Rainer. And of course, hindsight is
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Speaker 1: a wonderful thing. If I can just ask you about
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Speaker 1: the present situation, because you said to me a little
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Speaker 1: while ago that you were very excited about what had
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Speaker 1: started to happen around you. Just give us a very,
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Speaker 1: very short little summary of what you're hoping to happen
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Speaker 1: with regard to your case and the fact that you
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Speaker 1: are still in prison.
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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give you a quick overview of the three
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Speaker 3: cases that are now pending and that I have filed.
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Speaker 3: One is, of course, the appellate case, the appeal against
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Speaker 3: the judgment in Göttingen, And this could be decided any
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Speaker 3: day now, because normally it takes between three to five
19:23
Speaker 3: months or so for the German Supreme Court to decide
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Speaker 3: on an appeal. In my case, it's been over 13
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Speaker 3: months now, I think over 14 months even.
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Speaker 2: So that could be decided any day now.
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Speaker 3: Apart from that case, I also filed a civil complaint
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Speaker 3: for damages, and damages is not restricted to monetary damages
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Speaker 3: in this case, but it also includes a injunction, a
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Speaker 3: motion for an injunction to prohibit the state of lower
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Speaker 3: Saxony as the employer of the criminal judges and prosecutors
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Speaker 3: in Göttingen. That prohibits the state of lower Saxony to
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Speaker 3: incarcerate me and to prohibit to prohibit the state of
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Speaker 3: Lower Saxony to continue with that case, to throw it out.
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Speaker 3: This is my area of expertise.
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Speaker 2: It's tort law.
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Speaker 3: I have over 30 years of expertise in tort law,
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Speaker 3: both in Germany and.
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Speaker 2: In the United States, in California.
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Speaker 3: And this is a case that is unbreakable, because at
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Speaker 3: the very core of this case is the fact that
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Speaker 3: I was abducted from Mexico by the German deep state.
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Speaker 2: It's the equivalent of the FBI.
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Speaker 3: Which the German government used, called BKA.
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Speaker 2: But it is the equivalent of the FBI. And one
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Speaker 2: of their officers in.
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Speaker 3: Mexico City had me abducted on behalf of the government.
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Speaker 3: The Mexicans were made to make it appear as though
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Speaker 3: this was a deportation, but it wasn't.
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Speaker 2: Both of the officers who.
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Speaker 3: Approached us when we were at the Mexican Migration Authority
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Speaker 3: in Tijuana.
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Speaker 2: Both of them.
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Speaker 3: Apologized profusely to us, really nice people. And they said,
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Speaker 3: it's not us. It's not us who are coming after you.
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Speaker 3: You neither entered the country illegally, nor did you commit
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Speaker 3: any crimes here. It is the Germans. They kept repeating that,
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Speaker 3: the Germans. And they meant, of course, the people at
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Speaker 3: the German embassy.
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Speaker 2: In Mexico City.
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Speaker 3: These people were also only following orders from Germany. So
21:35
Speaker 3: this case is unbreakable, and it will succeed. There's no
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Speaker 3: other way, because the German constitution, Article 16, says that
21:45
Speaker 3: Germans cannot be extradited for political persecution. That means that
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Speaker 3: It's a crime.
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Speaker 2: It's not just illegal. It's unconstitutional. It's a crime.
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Speaker 3: Now, if an extradition for political persecution is prohibited, then
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Speaker 3: an outright abduction for political persecution.
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Speaker 2: Is even more illegal. And even though the German.
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Speaker 3: Constitutional Court or the Supreme Court never really cared much
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Speaker 3: about how the people, how the criminals, actual criminals we're
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Speaker 3: talking about, how they were brought into their courtrooms, whether
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Speaker 3: they were abducted abroad or not, they didn't really care.
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Speaker 2: There is an exception to this rule.
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Speaker 3: And that is, if they find that there's a so-called
22:37
Speaker 3: extreme outlier case, an extreme outlier case, then, and that's
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Speaker 3: what this is, because an abduction for political persecution, that
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Speaker 3: is definitely an extreme outlier case. The consequence of this,
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Speaker 3: and this translates into part of my... civil complaint for damages,
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Speaker 3: the consequence is an immediate and final prohibition to incarcerate
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Speaker 3: under civil tort law and an immediate and final prohibition
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Speaker 3: to continue with the case. But the most important case,
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Speaker 3: and this is what you're asking about, is the one
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Speaker 3: that I just filed a couple of weeks ago. It's
23:16
Speaker 3: a motion for a detention review hearing. And that, of course,
23:21
Speaker 3: was turned down by the court that put me in prison.
23:29
Speaker 3: And that's why I filed an immediate appeal.
23:33
Speaker 2: That's what it's called.
23:34
Speaker 3: And that's now pending before the district court in Brunswick.
23:39
Speaker 2: And there's a rule.
23:41
Speaker 3: Usually, you don't keep people in pretrial detention for any
23:45
Speaker 3: longer than six months. Now, I've been in pretrial detention
23:48
Speaker 3: for two years and nine and a half, more than
23:50
Speaker 3: two years and nine and a half months.
23:53
Speaker 2: And this is another rule.
23:55
Speaker 3: If you have served in pretrial detention, if you've already
24:00
Speaker 3: served more than two-thirds of the jail time that the
24:05
Speaker 3: sentence says you're going to have to serve, then.
24:09
Speaker 2: They usually should let you out if.
24:14
Speaker 3: One, there is no prior record, I've never been sentenced
24:18
Speaker 3: for anything, and two, if you have behaved well in prison. Now,
24:24
Speaker 3: in my case, I have spent much more than two-thirds
24:29
Speaker 3: of the prison term that was meted out to me
24:33
Speaker 3: by the Göttingen court.
24:36
Speaker 2: I have no prior record, and I behaved well.
24:40
Speaker 3: I mean, I helped many of the fellow inmates with
24:44
Speaker 3: their motions, or I sometimes even wrote draft complaints for
24:48
Speaker 3: them so that their attorneys would have something to work with.
24:52
Speaker 2: And a couple of days ago.
24:56
Speaker 3: I was informed, I'll spare you the details here, and
24:59
Speaker 3: I don't want to get anyone in trouble, but I
25:00
Speaker 3: was informed that a letter has been written by the
25:05
Speaker 3: district court of Brunswick to the prison asking them about
25:11
Speaker 3: my behavior in prison. And since there's nothing they can
25:17
Speaker 3: pin on me as far as that's concerned, I think
25:21
Speaker 3: things are looking.
25:22
Speaker 2: Really, really good right now. Now, obviously, the.
25:26
Speaker 3: Deep state is extremely eager to keep me in prison
25:30
Speaker 3: for as long as possible, because they know that as
25:33
Speaker 3: soon as I get out, All hell will break loose
25:37
Speaker 3: because I will be free. I will have access to
25:41
Speaker 3: the Internet. I have access to my files. I have
25:43
Speaker 3: access to all the witnesses, et cetera, et cetera. And
25:46
Speaker 3: that's why they're trying to find something, anything, so that
25:50
Speaker 3: they can keep me in prison any longer than the
25:53
Speaker 3: time I've already spent, which is insane, but that's the
25:56
Speaker 3: way it is. I do not think that they're going
25:58
Speaker 3: to succeed because, as I told you before, apart from
26:03
Speaker 3: the fact that I'm a lawyer, I also– this is
26:06
Speaker 3: something I've learned here.
26:07
Speaker 2: I also do.
26:10
Speaker 3: Believe, not just because of all the– mail, all the
26:15
Speaker 3: postcards and letters that I've been getting, which has been
26:21
Speaker 3: crucial for me because this is what has kept me
26:24
Speaker 3: afloat over this very long period of time. You know,
26:29
Speaker 3: my wife and she and I have been separated for
26:32
Speaker 3: more than two years and nine and a half months now.
26:35
Speaker 3: But from this, I learned that there is definitely— I' m not
26:39
Speaker 3: a religious person.
26:41
Speaker 2: I don't believe in organized religion.
26:43
Speaker 3: But I do— you know, we used.
26:45
Speaker 2: To have this ranch in Northern California. It's on Indian land.
26:48
Speaker 3: And I do believe that the Indians' view of the
26:50
Speaker 3: world— and this is the American Indians' view of the world— makes
26:53
Speaker 3: a lot of sense to me. You know, they believe
26:55
Speaker 3: in the Great Spirit and how it connects all of
26:57
Speaker 3: us with everything.
26:59
Speaker 2: I believe that, too.
27:00
Speaker 3: And so the good forces and or the good energies,
27:03
Speaker 3: the good vibrations, as the Beach Boys used to sing,
27:06
Speaker 3: that they are the ones who are now making the difference.
27:10
Speaker 2: And that's why I believe.
27:12
Speaker 3: That this is not just a pipe dream, but the
27:15
Speaker 3: fact that I've just recounted to you that.
27:18
Speaker 2: These facts will get me out of here.
27:20
Speaker 3: Over the next few days or so. If they come
27:24
Speaker 3: up with something else, like, for example, I insulted someone,
27:27
Speaker 3: so that's another 10 years or so, and they come
27:30
Speaker 3: up with a new arrest warrant, it doesn't matter. It'll
27:33
Speaker 3: only postpone things by a little bit, because I don't
27:37
Speaker 3: think that Everyone in the German judiciary, in the German legal.
27:42
Speaker 2: System, is corrupt. Not everyone. There's still a few people
27:46
Speaker 2: out there who want the rule of law to be reinvigorated,
27:53
Speaker 2: to put it that way.
27:54
Speaker 3: Actually, some of them, active judges and active prosecutors— I' m, of course,
28:00
Speaker 3: not going to name any names here— have been helping.
28:02
Speaker 2: Us from behind the scenes. They're all very, very worried.
28:07
Speaker 3: So that's why I'm saying, if you take all of
28:09
Speaker 3: this into consideration, that's why I'm saying things are looking
28:13
Speaker 3: really good right now.
28:14
Speaker 1: Reiner, thank you for that. One last question. You mentioned
28:18
Speaker 1: Nuremberg 2.0. Can you just explain simply what the significance
28:27
Speaker 1: of your use of that phrase is? What is that about?
28:33
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:34
Speaker 3: Well, when Corona started, at first it started really slowly.
28:42
Speaker 3: Everybody was saying, hey, nothing to worry about. This is
28:44
Speaker 3: just a mild flu, which it was. But in January,
28:49
Speaker 3: it really started in January. And then in March, Inka
28:53
Speaker 3: and I were at the ranch with our dogs. the
28:58
Speaker 3: things began to look grim. And that's when Inka persuaded
29:01
Speaker 3: me to go back to Germany because she thought that
29:03
Speaker 3: with my experience in medical and pharmaceutical law, we would
29:07
Speaker 3: be able to get all the people. I had organized
29:10
Speaker 3: many international conferences on medical and pharmaceutical law. at the
29:14
Speaker 3: University of Göttingen, and I knew many, many people. So
29:17
Speaker 3: she said, let's just put together a similar conference over
29:22
Speaker 3: an extended weekend, and then the government will see that
29:24
Speaker 3: they made a mistake.
29:26
Speaker 2: Well, they didn't make any mistakes. That's when, a little
29:32
Speaker 2: later in July.
29:34
Speaker 3: Of 2020, Viviane Fischer and I founded the Corona Investigative Committee.
29:41
Speaker 3: And after a very short period of time, almost immediately,
29:45
Speaker 3: we got very, very positive responses from all over the world.
29:49
Speaker 3: We decided to do it both in German and in English.
29:53
Speaker 3: And that's when I realized, as soon as I realized
29:57
Speaker 3: that the PCR test had been misused in order to
30:01
Speaker 3: create cases that didn't exist, I realized that this is
30:06
Speaker 3: evidence that most of the experts we had interviewed would
30:11
Speaker 3: be expert witnesses for a legal reckoning, to put it
30:16
Speaker 3: that way. I had, even when I was still at
30:19
Speaker 3: the ranch, starting in March or April of 2020, I
30:23
Speaker 3: had filmed short videos, you know, like five or six
30:28
Speaker 3: or seven minutes, and it was always along the lines,
30:34
Speaker 3: which is a Latin legal saying, and it means always
30:38
Speaker 3: also listen to the other side, because it was so
30:41
Speaker 3: disturbing to hear the government and the mainstream media say,
30:47
Speaker 3: always repeat the same things and trying to make anyone
30:51
Speaker 3: who was of a.
30:51
Speaker 2: Different opinion, trying.
30:55
Speaker 3: To make them look as though they were idiots or,
30:57
Speaker 3: of course, conspiracy theories. At that point in time, I
31:00
Speaker 3: didn't know that this was part of their game plan.
31:04
Speaker 2: But that's how I started out.
31:05
Speaker 3: And then after I had understood, because of the work
31:08
Speaker 3: of the Corona Investigative Committee, I had understood that the
31:11
Speaker 3: PCR test was probably at the center of this, and
31:14
Speaker 3: that this could be used for a tort law case
31:18
Speaker 3: for damages. because it proves intent. Nobody was making any mistakes.
31:23
Speaker 3: They were intentionally misusing the PCR test. That's when I
31:27
Speaker 3: did a longer video, a 50-minute video, both in English
31:31
Speaker 3: and in German, which I thought nobody would watch because
31:34
Speaker 3: it was so technical. I was standing in front of
31:37
Speaker 3: my books and stuff at my firm.
31:41
Speaker 2: But it kind of, it.
31:45
Speaker 3: Was like a rocket taking off, because within days there
31:50
Speaker 3: were 100,000, 500,000, and then ultimately 1.5 million people had
31:57
Speaker 3: watched that video, and all of a sudden it disappeared,
31:59
Speaker 3: because YouTube took it down. And that's when I understood
32:04
Speaker 3: that this is going to be so important, the work
32:07
Speaker 3: that I had done for the Corona Investigative Committee and
32:10
Speaker 3: then for ICIC, that was so important that we would
32:14
Speaker 3: have to.
32:15
Speaker 2: Give it a label. And in that long video.
32:18
Speaker 3: In that 50-minute video, I had reminded people of, because
32:24
Speaker 3: I knew at that point in time, I knew what
32:27
Speaker 3: was about to happen was untested information. you know, for
32:30
Speaker 3: my time in medical and pharmaceutical law, everybody knows that.
32:34
Speaker 3: But I knew that if you want to bring a
32:37
Speaker 3: new drug on the market or even a vaccine on
32:41
Speaker 3: the market, it takes eight to 12 years, but not
32:44
Speaker 3: six or eight months. So I knew that this was
32:47
Speaker 3: going to go wrong. I talked to the experts who
32:49
Speaker 3: said the same thing. So I knew that crimes against
32:53
Speaker 3: humanity were being committed and And I reminded everyone in
32:57
Speaker 3: that video that that never goes well. And even the
33:01
Speaker 3: last time when they did it, during the Third Reich,
33:03
Speaker 3: crimes against humanity were committed after the Third Reich had ended.
33:09
Speaker 2: Sort of, because some of the people are still around, obviously.
33:14
Speaker 3: After it had ended, there came the Nuremberg trials. Most
33:18
Speaker 3: people think it was just one big trial, but it wasn't.
33:21
Speaker 3: It was one part that was dealing with the so-called
33:24
Speaker 3: main war criminals, but there were six or seven other
33:28
Speaker 3: trials that dealt with the medical experiments. So that's putting
33:31
Speaker 3: it very mildly. torture of the worst kind. So that's
33:35
Speaker 3: how I came up with that. I just tend to
33:39
Speaker 3: remind people. Yeah, you may have made a mistake because
33:43
Speaker 3: at that point, I.
33:44
Speaker 2: Still believe that maybe most of them.
33:46
Speaker 3: Were making mistakes. They weren't, as we now know. But
33:49
Speaker 3: I thought, hey, if I remind them that we're going
33:53
Speaker 3: to come after you and we're going to hold you responsible,
33:57
Speaker 3: just like last time, the Nuremberg trials, that's when people
34:02
Speaker 3: took this as a cue and they kept asking for
34:05
Speaker 3: Nuremberg 2.0.
34:06
Speaker 2: So that's That's how that phrase, how that.
34:10
Speaker 3: Term more or less came into existence. And today it
34:13
Speaker 3: makes sense, because obviously, as we can see from the
34:17
Speaker 3: responses of Tony Fauci in the United States in his
34:20
Speaker 3: Senate hearings, he's refusing to testify, even though he was
34:24
Speaker 3: pardoned and Trump is not attacking the pardon. He still
34:28
Speaker 3: wants to take the fifth. He doesn't want to talk
34:30
Speaker 3: about what happened. The Fifth Amendment of the United States,
34:34
Speaker 3: of course, shields any witness from testifying if this means
34:38
Speaker 3: that they have to incriminate themselves. So that's how the
34:43
Speaker 3: term Nuremberg 2.0 came into existence in our plan, and
34:49
Speaker 3: we've been working on this even while I'm still in jail.
34:53
Speaker 2: Our plan is to use, once again, use for... For
34:58
Speaker 2: substantive law, we're going to.
34:59
Speaker 3: Use natural law because this is what everybody understands. That's,
35:03
Speaker 3: by the way, the basis of common law as well,
35:06
Speaker 3: the very basis of common law. We're going to use
35:08
Speaker 3: natural law because that's what they used during the original
35:11
Speaker 3: Nuremberg trials. And for a procedural law, we're going to
35:15
Speaker 3: use the model.
35:16
Speaker 2: Of the American grand jury. So that's what's going to happen.
35:22
Speaker 1: Reiner, thank you very much. Very helpful and very interesting. Lastly,
35:27
Speaker 1: because I think it's an important opportunity for you, what
35:32
Speaker 1: would you like to say to the thousands and thousands
35:35
Speaker 1: of people that have been supporting you and are supporting you?
35:40
Speaker 2: Two things.
35:41
Speaker 3: First of all, thank you, because believe it or not,
35:45
Speaker 3: I have been wondering how I have made it this far,
35:50
Speaker 3: how I haven't gone insane.
35:51
Speaker 2: And how I have survived.
35:53
Speaker 3: How I have managed to stay both physically and mentally fit.
35:59
Speaker 3: But it isn't because of working out, because of playing
36:04
Speaker 3: volleyball or badminton and stuff like that.
36:07
Speaker 2: That is part of the deal.
36:08
Speaker 3: But the most important aspect was that absolutely. unheard of
36:14
Speaker 3: support that I've been getting from thousands and thousands of people.
36:18
Speaker 3: And then there's thousands and thousands of more people who,
36:22
Speaker 3: for example, demonstrated in front of German embassies in The
36:26
Speaker 3: Hague and in Australia, in all places.
36:32
Speaker 2: That is what made the difference.
36:35
Speaker 3: And the other thing I want to say is never
36:37
Speaker 3: give up. Look, I haven't given up. And I'm about
36:42
Speaker 3: to fight back. And this is the time. This is
36:45
Speaker 3: the time to finally stand up. We need to do
36:48
Speaker 3: a little more than just talk and get angry about
36:50
Speaker 3: these people.
36:51
Speaker 2: We need to stand up, spread.
36:53
Speaker 3: The word, and use our most important weapon, and that's
36:57
Speaker 3: the truth. Speak truth to power. These people, if they
37:03
Speaker 3: are people, because I don't know how much— there' s not many
37:08
Speaker 3: human qualities you can.
37:09
Speaker 2: See in them. But these— I call.
37:12
Speaker 3: Them monsters, the people who are responsible for this serial killing,
37:15
Speaker 3: mass murder. These people have— they' re already dead men walking.
37:22
Speaker 2: That's why you.
37:23
Speaker 3: See them acting in such an insane manner, how especially
37:26
Speaker 3: the EU puppets are trying to push and push and
37:29
Speaker 3: push for war against Russia, how they're taxing the air,
37:36
Speaker 3: as the German opposition party, by the way, the largest
37:39
Speaker 3: and most popular party in Germany, AFB, is saying, correctly saying,
37:44
Speaker 3: they're making us pay for air, you know, CO2, without CO2.
37:48
Speaker 3: not a single blade of grass grows. These people have
37:53
Speaker 3: had it, but we need to rise up and we
37:57
Speaker 3: need to speak up, not with weapons, unless they attack us,
38:02
Speaker 3: but by getting the truth out.
38:04
Speaker 2: That's all.
38:06
Speaker 1: Ryan, thank you very much for that. You're in prison.
38:10
Speaker 1: How many hours a day do you have to stay
38:13
Speaker 1: in your cell?
38:16
Speaker 3: This prison where I'm at right now, in the town
38:19
Speaker 3: of Bremerförde, which is way up in the northern part
38:22
Speaker 3: of the state of Lower Saxony, they've been treating me
38:25
Speaker 3: pretty well. I can't really complain. Many of the officers,
38:29
Speaker 3: I managed to help them, because some of them, after
38:32
Speaker 3: they realized that this is very.
38:34
Speaker 2: Strange, what is this guy doing? I don't really fit
38:36
Speaker 2: in here, see? And they approached me and eventually.
38:39
Speaker 3: Some of them asked me, can I help them and
38:43
Speaker 3: put them in touch with a doctor who would be
38:45
Speaker 3: able to get the toxins out of their body because
38:48
Speaker 3: some of them were forced to take the vaccine. And here,
38:52
Speaker 3: this is much, much different from.
38:55
Speaker 2: The other place where I was at first, near.
38:59
Speaker 3: Göttingen, the town of Göttingen, the place is called Rostov. Now,
39:02
Speaker 3: that place is run by two directors who I think,
39:07
Speaker 3: and I told them so, are totally crazy, crazy in
39:11
Speaker 3: the sense of evil, psychopaths. They run that prison like
39:16
Speaker 3: a concentration camp. I won't go into the details, but
39:19
Speaker 3: this will come out in due time, and I'm very,
39:22
Speaker 3: very certain they're going to close that whole place down.
39:26
Speaker 1: Just stay on the question. So how many hours? How
39:29
Speaker 1: many hours?
39:31
Speaker 2: I went off message. I didn't answer your question. Well,
39:35
Speaker 2: they wake you up during the week. They wake you
39:37
Speaker 2: up at six in the morning.
39:39
Speaker 3: Then you have about an hour to mingle with the
39:43
Speaker 3: other inmates on your floor. There are about 20 of
39:47
Speaker 3: us on this floor here. And then at 7, they
39:51
Speaker 3: lock you up again, and then they keep you in
39:54
Speaker 3: here for two hours. At 9, they let you out
39:56
Speaker 3: to do your what is called a free hour, Freistunde,
40:01
Speaker 3: which is when you do your rounds.
40:03
Speaker 2: You get your one hour of, if there.
40:05
Speaker 3: Is sunshine, of sunshine. And then they lock you up
40:10
Speaker 3: again at 11. At the same time, you get your
40:15
Speaker 3: lunch at 11, which is somewhat crazy. And then they
40:21
Speaker 3: let you out again to mingle and talk to the
40:23
Speaker 3: others at 4.30 p.m., And then, once again, they lock
40:28
Speaker 3: you up at 6.30 until the next morning, 6 a.m.
40:33
Speaker 2: So it's kind of boring, but you know what? I
40:37
Speaker 2: have more or less....
40:39
Speaker 3: Turning this cell, it's eight square meters.
40:43
Speaker 2: It's very small.
40:44
Speaker 3: I've more or less turned this into a law office
40:48
Speaker 3: because I've been trying to help as many of my
40:52
Speaker 3: fellow inmates as I can. So it kind of keeps
40:55
Speaker 3: me occupied. But I have also been working on my
40:58
Speaker 3: own case.
40:59
Speaker 2: So this is how I've been....
41:02
Speaker 3: I've used my time apart from the hours that I
41:07
Speaker 3: am able to play volleyball or soccer or badminton or whatever.
41:15
Speaker 2: Excellent.
41:16
Speaker 1: Ryan, thank you very much for speaking to me.
41:20
Speaker 3: Well, thank you for giving me the opportunity. I always
41:22
Speaker 3: enjoy talking to you, Brian.
41:25
Speaker 1: On the 20th of August, 2026... it was revealed that
41:30
Speaker 1: Reiner's appeal had been turned down. Moreover, this decision had
41:36
Speaker 1: been made back in March of this year. Clearly, the
41:41
Speaker 1: intention of the German state is that Reiner Fulmich is
41:46
Speaker 1: not released, at least until he served his full term,
41:51
Speaker 1: which will be some four years.