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Is red pill the same as feminism? Our answer will surprise you! | Maintaining Frame 101 · Honey Badger Radio

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
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  I'm here with als. Sorry, it's a Sunday, and this is maintaining
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  frame number one hundred and one. It's also kind of a do we have
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  like a certain do we have like a certain name for videos that people submit,
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  We just call it a sponsored show. So today's show is sponsored by
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  Richard Pierre. Yeah, who was sent in this request a couple of dates
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  or actually I think it was yesterday, and I'm like, is this a
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  request? And I didn't really receive a reply till this morning. So yeah,
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  Richard like really wants us to He has a borderline sick fascination with us
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  responding to Hannah Cox's videos. And I blame myself because I was the one
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  who started it. I said, hey, look at this I do.
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  I said, look, this woman thinks she's a feminist and a libertarian.
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  Isn't that funny? And now here we are five videos and still refuting the
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  same old crap. But be fair, to be fair, Hannah Cox is
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  not as bad as Manifestel. Yeah, well, Manifestel is like, let
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  me see, how do I compare these things? Hannah Cox is like Skeletre
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  Manifestel is hoard Act. That's what That's what I think the main difference is.
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  And and that's the super gen x like child reference. If you get
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  it, you get it. Hordac. Yeah, you don't get Well,
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  you're you're kind of a more closer to the millennial side, but you do
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  not know who Hordack it was, So okay, I will explain really briefly,
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  all right, in the he in the he Man universe on attorney,
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  of course he Man's nemesis Skeletor. But when I think it was Mattel that
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  made those dolls, I can't remember. Sure, they wanted to make one
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  for the girls, so they came up with Shira, and Shira's nemesis is
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  Hordac now Hordak in Yeah, in the lore of the show, Hordac is
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  actually Skeletor's boss. So he's like more evil than Skeletor is. So there
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  you go. Yeah, so cartoonishly more evil because Skeletor is already super evil.
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  I remember that was even like a it was an episode if I I
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  forget this, but like hord Act was going on a vacation and he wanted
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  Skeletor to take over the hoard while he was gone, and Skeletor like messes
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  everything up, and Hordack comes back and he's like, oh, I'm so
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  refreshed, you know. And if this is so silly, because these are
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  like monstrous, like, you know, we've got some good lines, you
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  know he Skeletor's got the best lines, but you know, some insights.
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  Yeah, So anyway, we're going into you know, we're going into deep
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  Masters of the Universe lore, and I don't want to do that because silly.
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  But all I'm saying is is that, yes, Manifestel is definitely worse,
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  but Hannah Cox isn't good by coge, It's like she's good. I
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  don't when I look at Hannah Cox, I don't get the feeling like there's
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  actually a reptile inside her. Yeah, I mean I think she's human,
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  not not necessarily the sharpest pencil in the case, but you know, I
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  think that I think there's a case to be made that she's still a mammal.
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  Sometimes I wonder with the other one sometimes said her at a lot of
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  shade. There's a part of me that thinks that Manifestel is not even real,
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  Like she's like she's like a generation like all of the hatred of the
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  female subconscious manifested her and some kind of like demonic warping of the timelines.
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  Yeah, if I don't think of it that way outry okay, all right,
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  so let's uh okay, So to begin, we are doing our monthly
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  suppose one of the most consistent voices against this, And you know, I
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  shows that was almost wall to wall statistics on sexual violence against men by women,
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  we did get a super chow in between. Yeah, we should probably read
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  the super chow that we got. It's sort of it was this person.
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  This is a austromise. Yeah, So the content of the show, well,
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  this is a response to the last probably the last time we responded to
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  a Hannah Cox video. So I can't display it on the screen. I'm
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  just gonna have to read it and you're just gonna have to listen. So
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  this is from for rancer or two fifteen. Hannah Cox's perception of value gives
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  us five dollars and says, Hannah Cox claims that men are not hustling as
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  much as women, and then she asks why men are not hustling? I
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  think she is too materialistic and she glorifies the hustle. Work is actually not
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  that valuable because the individual trades their most valuable resource, time and energy for
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  money. While money is necessary, if not for women, most men would
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  prefer to earn only enough money to comfortably survive while funding an affordable inter interest
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  or hobby. This lifestyle was achievable through a single part time job, but
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  government interference prevents this possibility. My conclusion is the same as yours. Cox
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  wants to trade men's most viable resource, their time and energy, for money
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  so that she can spend it on herself material goods and services. What a
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  crappy trade deal. Yeah, And I think that what Hannah Cox gets wrong,
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  And I don't want to say this is what libertarians get wrong, because
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  I believe that a libertarian that is principled and understands that morality and the understanding
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  of human nature is necessary to make it work would agree with me when I
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  would say that. It seems to me that Hannah Cox is using libertarian principles
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  as a kind of sheep's costume so that she can creep in her materialist,
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  feminist ideology. So she'll say, well, I believe in the free market,
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  so why aren't men stepping up and earning more money? Why should women
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  need to be with them? So she's using libertarian in a kind of the
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  framework is more is closer to something like what a Herbert MARCUSA might have claimed,
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  which is about liberation, which is in Hanna Cox's view, more of
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  a freedom from than a or a freedom too than a freedom from. So
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  you know, as like negative rights versus positive rights. Okay, And she's
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  using libertarianism to make this claim, which is why she feels like she can
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  just you know, rag on men, because men who generally don't need material,
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  and they understand that your time on this earth, you could, you
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  don't get back no matter what. Right. So, so if I spend
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  a bunch of time, like investing in a relationship or a job or a
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  marriage, and I'm and it's all I lose it for whatever reason, like
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  the job just you know, the company closes down, I lose my job
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  or whatever, the girl dumps me out of nowhere, cheats on me with
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  somebody else. I, as a man, at least, and I'm not
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  saying that women don't do this, but I'm I can only speak for myself,
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  would see it as an investment of my time that I will never get
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  back. So like time, you don't get back, money, you can
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  earn it again, you know, even energy you could replenish. But but
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  yeah, I mean, I'm basically saying I agree with this. So okay,
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  well let's begin, all right, let's get into the arc of the
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  video. Sorry, okay, So this has had a Cox and it's called
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  one thing red pill men and modern feminists have in common. I can.
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  I already already know what it's gonna be. But I'm just gonna play a
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  new way. I haven't seen this video, but I already know. Hey,
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  guys, I'm Henna Cocks with based politics, and you're watching my show
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  Historyonics. For every week, I talk about women's issues from a sane centri's
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  point of view. If you like this episode, oh my god, I
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  get to like floating above everybody. I'm saying, guys, hear me out.
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  This is how I know, Like, this is why see like I
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  will say this at least Manifestel. She just tells you what she's about.
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  Anna Cox pretends to be centrist. She's like, oh no, I'm totally
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  not like those. I'm floating above everybody else. I have a nine billion
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  IQ. Hear me out, guys, Amras and feminists are basically the same
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  thing. Have you heard this one yet? Stop me if you heard this
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  before, guys, they're the same. I can't wait Okay, I I
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  a nine thousand IQ, except that she can't seem to stop herself from contradicting
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  herself because this is this is one of the things if I'm most infuriating about
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  her, Hanna Cox, is she cannot go a video without evincing stating creating
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  a contradiction of paradox. Yeah, you know that. That just frustrates me.
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  Okaybscribe or check out others in the series. Sir Isaac Newton said,
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  for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. That became one of
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  the primary laws of physics. In politics, we have a similar law and
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  it goes for every action on one side of the political aisle, there will
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  be an overcorrection and overreaction on the other side of the Yeah, no,
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  no, it's okay, like, uh a, let's see what she Let's
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  see what her analysis, her one thousand IQ analysis, five thousand. I
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  wrote it. I wrote it in the chat. It's like I think it's
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  like nine qu rellion like something like that. So yeah, that's it.
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  She's she's so intelligent that she says something super dumb and we just don't get
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  it because we're not smart enough to see how smart it is, even though
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  it sounds really dumb and obvious. Okay, all right, well, whatever
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  her IQ seems to be subject to incredible levels of inflation. But whatever her
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  IQ is, let's discover what her analysis is of the proximal causes for the
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  red pill. I'm assuming, yeah, right, just making it. I
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  think this can be observed on a number of fronts, and oftentimes we talk
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  about this phenomenon with the term the horseshoe theory. Horseshoe theory asserts that advocates
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  of the far left and the far right, rather than being opposite and opposing
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  ends of a linear continuum of the political spectrum, closely resemble each other,
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  analogous to the way that the opposite ends of a horseshoe are close together.
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  Put more suit, I'm just saying it's no, I'm just saying, horseshoe
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  theory is bullshit. I used to believe it. I used to believe it,
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  but it's bullshit. No, this is all this is. Well,
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  you just have to take things as an analysis, like everything has to be
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  subject to analysis, and the argument has to be there if they're to be
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  able to prove it. Right, If the state is is arresting people and
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  throwing them in jail like without trial because they were standing near public property and
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  they didn't like that, or they weren't wearing a mask, or maybe they
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  they they tore down like a flag that they didn't like because they didn't represent
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  their country, or they were just like on the train publicly stating, you
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  know, like I am English and England blown to the English. And then
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  that person gets arrested. And then in response to that, there is like
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  a grassroots political movement of people that are like, oh, we want to
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  change this. We don't like the way these laws are coming out. She's
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  like, oh, that's horseshoe theory. Bros. Like, I'm sorry,
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  but where is the center? This is what I mean, Centrist people,
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  show me the center between the thing you're about to talk about, what's the
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  center of feminism and the red pill? That's what That's what this is.
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  Yeah, that's what I'm That's what I was saying. What is her analysis?
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  I mean, we can continue to like front load this, but I'm
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  actually really curious, So what is it? Yeah? Okay, so yeah,
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  just for the record, though, horseshoe theory is bullshit. Okay,
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  if you go far enough left or far enough right, you eventually meet back
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  right over here, and you are one and the same on all right,
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  Okay. I think that principles or beliefs can be adhered to in such a
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  way that they they cease to be principles or even any kind of even a
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  pretense at virtue, and start to become basically gang colors and tribalism. So
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  and I think that that both that can happen on both the left and the
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  right. However, I don't know if that's what she's talking about. I
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  mean, I'm really curious if that is. So let's keep going many friends
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  today, since we're on histrionics, as you might have guessed, we're going
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  to talk about it as it relates to women's issues. And I would say
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  that this is currently happening with whatever wave of feminism we're currently on over here
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  on the left and then the red pill manisphere on the right. Now,
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  as you know, if you've been following the show or politics at all,
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  women are increasingly moving further left, men are increasingly moving further right, and
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  it is they're not they're maybe in South Korea, but unless you yeah,
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  it's not that much. Even if you are. You're not Korean, Hanna
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  Cox. What's happening in I believe the UK is that men aren't moving left
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  as fast as women, and in the US they are moving slightly to the
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  right. That's it. Women are diving upwards off a cliff to the left.
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  Okay, that's what's happening, So don't distort this, right, Yeah.
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  Well, the other thing that I know she's going to talk about the
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  manisphere, and I know that we're going to be lumped in with the manisphere,
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  But it occurred to me just right now, what might actually demarked,
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  like make mark the difference. A lot of the people of the men on
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  the manisphere want to change what's going on, but without changing the identity of
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  men as being the prime movers. And this is like, this is this
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  identity is new. It's it's very it's actually feminist in a lot of ways,
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  because prior to like nineteen forty is when this started. Actually nineteen forty
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  is when they started to keep track of this. But prior to like the
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  nineteen eighties, women were perceived to have more social power and influence than they're
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  perceived to have now. So they were perceived to have more agency, and
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  some cases they proceed to have more agency as men. We can't imagine that
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  today because we are all in like a post feminist society. But there was
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  a time at which people wouldn't have agreed with, oh, we live in
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  a patriarchy. They wouldn't have agreed with this idea that men have more power
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  over the social sphere than women do. They wouldn't agreed with any of that.
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  They would have said, no, women have agency in these areas of
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  life, and they often have more agency and more freedom in these areas life
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  than men do. So in creating this dichotomy or this sort of feminist narrative
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  about society, we got rid of that idea and we exchanged it for this
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  idea that men have absolute control over basically everything. So ultimately everything is a
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  result of men's choices and actions. And I think that in many cases,
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  the manosphere, or many elements of the manosphere, want to keep that identity
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  that men are the primary movers in society while attempting to change it towards a
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  society that recognizes the needs of men, which is actually sort of irrational and
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  self contradictory. Whereas I think the people in who are men's issues. Advocates
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  want to say, actually, men do have these issues, They have these
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  areas where they do not have power, and we need to recognize the needs
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  and vulnerabilities of men as a call, as a call to take action to
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  protect them from it. But that requires recognizing that there's a place where men's
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  men's power ends. So you see, I think that's that's sort of the
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  difference. Do you get what I'm getting at there? Brian, Yeah,
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  sure, yeah, Well I don't know what the other parts of the manusphere
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  are after In my opinion, we're trying to correct the injustices, but we're
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  not trying to re like, reprogram the essence of what men and women are,
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  because that's never going to happen. So like we have to do it
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  with the understanding that men and women have a nature and there is room for
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  some flexibility and outliers. But we can't pretend like we're just blank slates the
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  way that feminists do. So we just know that that doesn't work. This
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  is why I reject the attacks on masculinity because I think that we need to
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  like we can, we can adjust, I don't think we can reinvent our
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  like you know, hundreds of thousands of years of evolutionary psychology or biology to
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  make everything like equal. I don't know that. Like the other parts of
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  mansphere want to do that, but I don't, and feminists do. They
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  able explain it in a different way. So feminists constructed this idea that that
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  men women are essentially the most salient characteristic of women is that there are victims
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  of men period. Yeah, so men take action, women receive action and
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  are a thing as a result of men's actions. I think a lot of
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  the menisphere wants to keep that idea of men as being the one the only
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  ones in the equation that really do anything at the same time as recognizing what
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  this situation is doing to men. So it's like you want you want hot
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  ice. Basically you want to say, while men are the only ones who
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  are doing anything, women can't help themselves or whatever, But we also want
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  to recognize how women have an effect on men. So you see, it's
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  like a contradiction and I'm just saying that as my analysis of the situation,
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  and where at least I differentiate is that men are people. There are going
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  to be situations where they don't have power and from what I've seen of history,
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  women almost always become the center of men's identities. So men want to
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  protect and provide for them, and usually it's women who define how they're protected
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  and provided for, which constructs a culture. So there's that vulnerability that men
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  have to women, and I think that there's a maybe the line between the
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  two is whether or not you're willing to recognize that. And I think part
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  of the problem with it is, and I've heard this said, you know,
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  it's frightening for men to be vulnerable, to recognize their vulnerabilities. It
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  is, and I know that sounds feminist. But the thing is that they
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  say that, but they say it in order to dismiss any concern for men's
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  issues. So they say, well, men haven't expressed enough vulnerability, but
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  there are no services for when they do, right, there's nobody who's going
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  to support them when they do. I mean, even if it isn't services,
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  we don't have a culture that supports men when they have problems. But
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  feminists will say that, but they say it not because they want to see
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  it, not because they want to recognize or acknowledge or respect men's vulnerabilities,
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  but because they want to use that framework to dismiss why they have to do
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  anything, like they just want to just be like, yeah, well,
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  men don't express themselves, so that's therefore going to do anything. We're not
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  going to do anything. We're not going to change anything. So that's their
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  framework. But the the idea is that I think I'm getting a little bit
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  in the weeds here, so maybe we should go. Let's listen to more
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  of her video causing all kinds of problems in our society and what that means
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  for us politically. I think you're concerning. But while these two groups are
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  often presented as a contrast to one another, my hypothesis for you today is
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  that they're actually one and the same, and I am going to seek to
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  prove that. Now I've never heard this before. Oh what what it was
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  was that it's thank you, Hannah Kotch. Please enlighten us on this totally
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  radical new idea. Yeah, well, you know, she might be right.
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  It's just I'm curious about what her evidence is going to be, because
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  I mean, I would I would make the argument. I would make it,
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  and you know, maybe maybe you wouldn't agree with me if I made
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  that argument, but I think I could make a good argument that we are
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  post feminist and even the manisphere exists within how the feminists define men define men
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  for generations, and which is women are victims of men. Men are the
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  prime movers. And I mean that's that's the that's the bait of this whole
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  thing, is this idea that the only actions that matter are men's actions.
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  So, I mean there's an argument. The thing is that I think that
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  her analysis is I suspect it's gonna be so coarse. So yeah, I
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  don't think it's gonna be I don't think it's gonna have the level of nuance
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  that you just gave it. I think that you're being extremely charitable to her,
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  and uh yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna request that she have both sides
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  linden to her gravestone when when she passes on into the next life, because
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  uh they this is good, this is gonna be that. I've been saying
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  it for a very long time. Both sides isn't gonna get us all killed.
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  So anyway, now, before we dig into it, I want to
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  be very careful of my language here because I cannot stand how feminism has become
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  an insult on the right, how it's I like it, she puts,
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  she puts feminism in quotes like it's not real. See, this is what
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  I mean. This is the both sides thing. Okay. First of all,
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  men's rights activists and feminists are the same or red pill people or the
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  manisphere or whatever, it doesn't matter. She's gonna she thinks, all that's
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  the same anyways. But also the feminism that we're talking about isn't real.
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  So like, okay, I got I got, I got something for this,
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  I got something for this. Okay. So she she does not want
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  to recognize that feminism has a problem and is a problem, and that it
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  does a particular framework, and the framework is that women are victims. Now,
• 24:56
  the feminist interpretation of women arevictims of men is that women are victims of
• 25:03
  men, whereas the manisphere interpretation of women are victims of men are women can
• 25:11
  be if anything good comes from women, it actually comes from men, because
• 25:17
  if you think about it, if everything falls on patriarchy, if a woman
• 25:21
  does something bad, it's because a man either failed to make her do it
• 25:25
  or made her do it. So everything ultimately lands on men and men's actions,
• 25:30
  and she wants to maintain that she wants to maintain the ability to constantly
• 25:37
  deflect the actions of women, the choices of women, to blame men.
• 25:42
  But I'm guessing she does not want to accept the fact the Manisphere interpretation of
• 25:48
  that, which is, all female virtues are a result of men. If
• 25:53
  you think about it, all, right, well, everyone is operating.
• 25:59
  Most people, Hannah Cox included, are operating within a historical and a cultural
• 26:04
  framework created by feminism. It's made up for the most part, it doesn't
• 26:10
  reflect reality, it doesn't reflect history, it doesn't reflect human nature, it
• 26:12
  doesn't reflect men. And I think that because not just them, but the
• 26:18
  Manisphere. A lot of those guys are also operating within the same framework,
• 26:22
  yes, because they haven't rejected the central principles, right, they have not
• 26:27
  rejected those And so like, no matter what it is, whether you're talking
• 26:30
  about, you know, the guys in the Red Pill, the Migtai guys,
• 26:34
  the Conservative inc. Guys, it doesn't matter, they're all operating with
• 26:37
  the framework. And Hannah Cox is refuting people operating within the framework that she
• 26:42
  is also operating within and pretending like she's like in the Ninth Dimension, you
• 26:48
  know, and during the Age of Aquarius, like well, you know,
• 26:52
  you're just you're just saying, I'm I hate it here, I hate this
• 26:57
  place. But yes, that's it, Like you're still you're not doing anything
• 27:06
  new, and that's probably why you are making the big bucks on YouTube because
• 27:11
  everyone else is in the framework and they're all like, I like the way
• 27:14
  this sounds. Horseshoe theory, HRP A dirt both sides. Here's one hundred
• 27:17
  dollars, you know, And we're not going to get anywhere because I don't
• 27:19
  want to reject anything that I'm seeing on the TV or on the internet or
• 27:25
  from my professor or whatever, because that would shatter my brain wide open.
• 27:30
  Well, but it takes a lot to actually get out of the matrix and
• 27:33
  to question the identities that we are we've received and grown up with. Okay,
• 27:38
  so yeah, she's operating within this construct, and the construct is that
• 27:45
  women are basically expressions of men. That's it. Yeah, Like men make
• 27:48
  the choices, women are affected by them. Any virtues that women have are
• 27:53
  a result of men's choices. That's what the memosphere essentially says, and it's
• 27:56
  a direct reflection ofeminism. But she does not want she wants to she wants
• 28:02
  to maintain some level of feminism. Why the only the only means by which
• 28:07
  she's floating above everyone is that she's in the middle of the bell curve,
• 28:11
  which makes her peak midwit. And that's it. Oh okay, and no,
• 28:15
  I'm sure, I'm sorry, but this is this is midwit ship right
• 28:18
  here. Like, it's not it's not challenging anything. It's just like,
• 28:22
  what's the what's like the thing that I can say that's gonna make me appear
• 28:26
  to be the smartest person. Oh, I'll just say some midwid ship.
• 28:29
  Okay. So, and if you look at the bell curve, at the
• 28:32
  top is the middle, and she's at the top, loading over everybody else,
• 28:37
  all right, which people understand, like you, they the the well.
• 28:41
  It makes you feel smart, It makes you feel spot terminating cliches.
• 28:45
  They make you feel like you won the argument. Okay, let's right back
• 28:51
  to this. Let's play some more. Yea often used to like lump a
• 28:53
  whole bunch of people together who actually don't hold similar views. All were people
• 29:00
  who merely believe any equality of the title. I would say that the current
• 29:04
  Oh my god, this is so enlightening. Did you know, guys,
• 29:11
  did you know? Did you know that feminism is just about equality. I
• 29:15
  did not know that. I've been doing this for ten years, and I
• 29:18
  had no idea that they claim this is just equality. Who's the victim of
• 29:25
  inequality? It's always women. So you're basically saying, I believe about equality,
• 29:30
  but there's a caveat. Women are always victims of inequality, any inequality.
• 29:34
  You can identify any situation where women are not apparently getting what you think
• 29:41
  men are getting, and you even invent things like this is the problem with
• 29:45
  the holy equality narrative. It's like, well, men, they write,
• 29:49
  they ride on golden unicorns that fart confetti and those cupcake sparkles, you know,
• 29:59
  and it just blesses them with perfect lives. And I just they get
• 30:03
  to see dinosaurs every night when they travel back in time. I can't believe
• 30:07
  what men are given. And you've invented the whole thing, and you're like,
• 30:11
  but I'm just about equality. I'm just all that's all I want.
• 30:15
  I just want equality, and I also want the ability to invent what equality
• 30:19
  means and also invent things that men don't get, like reproductive rights, Like
• 30:23
  that's the big thing. I know. There's no point at which the so
• 30:30
  called equality for women advocates actually have to take their visions of what men get
• 30:36
  and make them conform to reality. Right, there's no point they get to
• 30:41
  define. They get to seek equality and define what it is. That's great,
• 30:45
  isn't it. Like wouldn't you like that if you had a job,
• 30:48
  Like if you're a road repair you're like, I not only do road repair,
• 30:52
  I define what it means. So today I'm defining road repair being the
• 30:56
  state paying for me to go to Disneyland, Like that's theirs. It's not.
• 31:00
  Feminists don't just want equality. They want to define what equality is.
• 31:06
  They'd want to define what the situation is for men in the process of defining
• 31:11
  equality. So I mean, that's a you can ride a truck in that
• 31:15
  loophole. You can ride you could you could probably send an entire like planet
• 31:22
  through that loophole, Hanna cocks. And no, it's it's not reasonable at
• 31:26
  all. It would only be reasonable if there was some kind of consensus behind
• 31:30
  defining equality in the first place, and if equality was strictly defined with a
• 31:37
  considerable analysis of the situation for men. But it's not. You bring things
• 31:44
  up for men like the instant you we say Hey, feminists, you're saying
• 31:48
  that it's unequal, but you haven't looked at the situation for men. Look
• 31:52
  at this stuff. Feminists are like, you're a misogynist. They shout down
• 31:56
  any attempt to have any kind of influence over how equalities defined. They shout
• 32:04
  it down, and they ostracize the people who engage in it. Like so
• 32:08
  this is, like I said, this has got a gigantic loophole built right
• 32:13
  in. Yeah, and it's but okay, fine, all right, let's
• 32:20
  hear more of this absolutely stunning and also brave commentary that I have never before
• 32:27
  heard. No wave of feminism is not that right. They don't really believe
• 32:31
  in the equality of the sexes. They actually tend to kind of hate men.
• 32:35
  I have as little in common with those women as I do most of
• 32:37
  the men in the red pill community, who I think for the most part
• 32:40
  hate women too. So I have a problem calling No, they don't.
• 32:45
  I don't. I don't really, I don't even really think that most feminists
• 32:49
  hate men. I think that in both cases, if you can even point
• 32:52
  to the extremes, they have had a very traumatic experience and they blame the
• 32:58
  opposite sex. I mean, even Naomi Wolf was like one of the most
• 33:02
  hardcore, diehard feminists of the time that got into it with Karen. She
• 33:07
  did an interview with Jordan Peterson and she talked about how she became a feminist
• 33:13
  after she had a really bad experience with a man. So, and again,
• 33:15
  the problem is not so we all have trauma. We all have trauma
• 33:21
  in our history, but it's about how we deal with it. So I
• 33:23
  don't think the manosphere guys like honestly, Like, do you think Mike Tao
• 33:27
  hate men? And what's the most evil thing they're going to do is avoid
• 33:30
  them? Yeah? Avoid women like that? That sounds terrible, guys,
• 33:36
  Yeah, I would. I would give a caveat that. I think for
• 33:38
  at least men's rights activists. For most men's rights activists, they don't just
• 33:43
  have a horrible experience with women, They have a horrible experience with the state.
• 33:46
  Yeah, as a result of the horrible experience with women. All right,
• 33:51
  let's maybe we could just go until she says something interesting, all right,
• 33:57
  all right, Yeah, this might be the whole video needs to be
• 34:00
  another term because first and second wave feminism were absolutely essential and important and necessary
• 34:07
  in this country, and they're still very important and necessary in other places to
• 34:09
  this day. Can we maybe we should just like put links to like videos
• 34:20
  we've done in the past whenever these arguments come back up, so that I
• 34:23
  can summarize this. Yeah, this wasn't about equality, Hannah. If it
• 34:29
  had been, the men in charge would have said, just like every other
• 34:32
  group of disenfranchised men throughout history, you have to go fight for the state
• 34:36
  first, and then we'll consider you. That would have been equality. So
• 34:40
  this was not women asking for equality. It was women asking for a special
• 34:46
  situation just for them, and the instant it was granted, it created two
• 34:51
  classes of citizens, one class that was subject to the protection of the state
• 34:58
  and the maintenance of the state up to and including that they're sacrificing every aspect
• 35:04
  of their lives. And women. Okay, so if you're going to call
• 35:07
  this equality right off the bat, again, it's the problem of feminists say
• 35:13
  they're about equality, but then they get to define what equality is because this
• 35:16
  ain't this, ain't it, sister, this ain't it? Or at least
• 35:20
  keep going. First wave feminism was, of course the fight to get the
• 35:24
  right to vote, just to be represented in society. Just want to point
• 35:30
  out the libertarian assumes that the vote is a right libertarianism. Then you had
• 35:37
  second wave feminism that came about in the sixties and seventies, and it had
• 35:39
  a lot more to do with women getting the rights to work, to be
• 35:43
  in the workplace, to to be able to open credit their own credit.
• 35:49
  A woman owned the credit cards, a woman owned bank in like in nineteen
• 35:54
  I think three, nineteen oh three, she owned an entire bank. Okay,
• 36:01
  credit cards. There weren't even credit cards until like the middle of the
• 36:05
  last century. And the other thing is that when men were responsible for women's
• 36:09
  debts, that's why women couldn't open credit cards, because if she was unmarried,
• 36:14
  whoever she'd marry would end up being responsible for her debts, and if
• 36:17
  she was married, her husband would be okay, So there was also most
• 36:22
  most men couldn't vote. Yeah, well, I mean this is not about
• 36:25
  vote. This is about well, go oh, you're talking about the second
• 36:29
  second wing. And the other thing is that the whole credit system came about
• 36:32
  through the effort of men. Like this is the other thing that's astounding to
• 36:37
  me. All of these institutions that women demand access to were constructed through the
• 36:43
  cooperative effort of men. Why do we believe that women are automatically entitled to
• 36:49
  these things? How'd that work out for us? By the way, how
• 36:53
  is how is credit card debt going? Ladies? How's that going? What's
• 36:58
  what's going on with that? Yeah, but we don't have to answer the
• 37:00
  question. I'm just gonna put it out there and see if maybe somebody in
• 37:04
  the check can answer the question. How how has it been since women have
• 37:07
  been able to access not just their own credit cards, but men's credit cards?
• 37:13
  Yeah, the outcome has been not very great. But here's the thing
• 37:16
  again, we're talking about a context in which men were responsible for women's debt,
• 37:21
  which has been the case for many centuries. And that context, you
• 37:25
  again, you completely define equality. You see what I'm saying. Feminists define
• 37:30
  equality and nobody can actually point out, well, hey, that isn't actually
• 37:35
  equality because when did men note were they no longer responsible for women's debts?
• 37:39
  Well, it was well after women got the right to open up debts basically
• 37:45
  in their name. Right, Okay, So this is this is this is
• 37:49
  not It's not what you think. And if you get to define equality,
• 37:53
  then it's really not about fairness anymore, because you say you advocate for equality,
• 38:00
  and you define equality equality should be anathema to libertarianism. M okay,
• 38:07
  anathema should but this like this is like you see how this is an example
• 38:10
  of that. They didn't actually look at the situation for men. They never
• 38:15
  talk about the situation for men, the obligations and responsibilities that men have.
• 38:20
  They just say, hey, this doesn't look like it's equal on the surface.
• 38:23
  Therefore we're going to advocate for women. And you can never bring this
• 38:29
  stuff up. They shout you down as a misogynist. So not only do
• 38:32
  they want to advocate for equality, they want to define it, which anybody
• 38:37
  should refuse, like on the face, okay, all right. And then
• 38:42
  you had third wave feminism that came about in the nineteen nineties. I wouldn't
• 38:45
  say third wave feminism was still important and it still mattered, but it dealt
• 38:49
  a lot more with social issues versus political ones, because at that point women
• 38:52
  were equal under the law in this country. So third wave feminists are,
• 38:57
  but they weren't before focusing on things like sexual harassment in the workplace. They
• 39:01
  started focusing a lot more on intersectional issues and female defining it as female only.
• 39:09
  So essentially what they do every point is they define what equality it is
• 39:15
  without looking at the situation for men, or actively distorting the situation for men,
• 39:21
  because this is about when Mary Costs was deciding that if a man is
• 39:23
  forced to have sex by a woman, he can't be considered raped, right,
• 39:29
  They actively define the situation in such a way that they hide the problems
• 39:34
  that men face. They declare the problems that women face as a result of
• 39:37
  inequality. And then again they're the ones that say, well, we're just,
• 39:42
  we're just We're just advocates for equality every single step of the way.
• 39:49
  You see this, and this is why if they want to be advocates for
• 39:53
  equality, they should never ever be allowed to define it. But they are
• 40:00
  mm hmm. Their struggles which had often kind of been excluded in the conversations
• 40:05
  around first and second wave feminism. But by the turn of the century,
• 40:07
  I'll say about this, this idea, the radical hearted parts of every wave
• 40:15
  of feminism became the mainstream parts of the following wave. So during the suffrage
• 40:20
  movement, all of the and and all of these elements were always there.
• 40:23
  There are writings about things from second wave and third that became known as second
• 40:29
  and third wave mainstream talking points that were around during the time of Mary Wolson
• 40:34
  Craft. So these are the it's just a matter of like, here's what
• 40:37
  we want to get. We're just gonna move really slow. Yeah, it's
• 40:39
  constantly moving slow. So when she says, oh, well, people weren't
• 40:44
  really into this back then, no, no, no, no no.
• 40:45
  The thought leaders were, but they knew that they wouldn't be able to put
• 40:49
  it on us like all at once, so they just did it really slow,
• 40:52
  so it wasn't excluded. And that makes you wonder. You have to
• 40:57
  look at what what is currently in the fringes now, because that's the next
• 41:00
  thing, that's the next thing. Yeah, whatever's totally in the fringes now
• 41:06
  because we know and the thing that's pushing this forward is again, oh wait,
• 41:10
  there was an article about castrating men and how it might extend their life.
• 41:15
  Huh. The way that they define equality, that they get to define
• 41:19
  equality, so they always are defining the target, and they're always looking for
• 41:23
  a new target, and they're always defining that target in the complete exclusion of
• 41:30
  the situation for men. Because this is this is about privileging women, period.
• 41:36
  And until feminists give up their right or they're they're they're apparent will give
• 41:42
  up the the center of the chess board, which is defining equality, until
• 41:45
  they give it up and say, no, actually, this is unfair.
• 41:50
  We shouldn't be the ones defining quality solely. We should be investigating situations very
• 41:55
  carefully before we say they're unequal. Until they do that, then they are
• 42:00
  a movement for female privilege, period by definition, because they never look at
• 42:05
  the situation for men. Never, They only ever look at the situation for
• 42:08
  women. And of course they marginalize people like us because we're like, hey,
• 42:14
  wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wait wait whoa whoa whoa
• 42:15
  whoa whoa. And the other thing is that this actually really buys into the
• 42:19
  identities because I think men do define themselves by wanting to protect and provide for
• 42:23
  women. So they're constantly finding new things for men to protect and provide for
• 42:30
  women from, and they label this equality. But there they are exploiting that
• 42:35
  dynamic then while calling it equality. Okay, you feminists, you you abdicate
• 42:45
  your your absolute control over defining equality, and then you can call yourself advocates
• 42:58
  for equality. Okay, that's when you can call yourself advocates for equality.
• 43:02
  Let's keep it. Yeah, true, most of these movements had accomplished their
• 43:07
  goal, and honestly, I kind of think that's where the need for like
• 43:10
  overt feminism or at least organizing around it in this country is sort of dipped
• 43:15
  off. But the problem that you see in politics, what was that when
• 43:17
  movements arise, you often have organizations that start forming, they start bringing in
• 43:22
  a lot of money, and when they accomplish their goals, they don't want
• 43:25
  to just shut down. They want to keep bringing in money, they want
• 43:28
  to keep being in the spotlight, and so they'll often pick up other issues
• 43:31
  to work on. They'll turn their attention elsewhere. We've seen that same with
• 43:35
  you. Well, wait a minute, Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
• 43:37
  Wait a minute, though Cox, I thought you were a libertarian.
• 43:39
  I thought makes you That made you a capitalist. What's wrong with making money
• 43:43
  even if it means well, I don't know, lying about history and reality
• 43:46
  to get it. Oh, but I mean she might point out that it
• 43:50
  is mostly coming from the government, which is a problem. But I don't
• 43:54
  know. We'll see, I'll keep going happen in the LGBTQ community. Once
• 44:00
  these organizations accomplish gay marriage, they didn't just pack up and go home.
• 44:04
  They've now turned their attention to trans issues, which is why we all have
• 44:07
  to talk about it ad nauseam. Oh awareness, is that an all time
• 44:09
  hih that's great. I guess now we can put our efforts into helping people
• 44:15
  on the streets. As the wife of a surgeon, I'm all about helping
• 44:22
  people. But we're a mega successful nonprofit, not some charity. And so
• 44:27
  now, okay, I'm lausing for the banana, so I'll keep going.
• 44:32
  Yeah. So it's Hannah, you're recognizing that it's a never ending moving target.
• 44:37
  Maybe it was before too, and there's a huge part of history that
• 44:42
  you are completely ignorant of. Maybe or you're complicit because you you know that
• 44:47
  you actually rely on this inequality and this oppression narrative to exist in order for
• 44:53
  you to keep making money, Because then what are you gonna talk about if
• 44:58
  there's no if there's no women's victimhood. Mm hmm. So what we have
• 45:05
  returnity is I guess fourth wave feminism, and it's people critique feminism and they
• 45:10
  are merely discussing this current wave. I'm mostly with them. My problem is
• 45:15
  because we haven't defined our terms very well, Oftentimes people are using it to
• 45:20
  try to smear all of feminism in its history, and that I have an
• 45:23
  issue with. Yeah, I bet you do. Okay, let me something
• 45:28
  as a centrist, as an enlightened centrist. Now that you've defined what feminism
• 45:32
  is good, what men's advocacy is good, I'm curious if she can actually
• 45:37
  define that because I'm pissing that that's not going to come up. But let's
• 45:42
  let's continue. Well, let's find out. Okay. So, but the
• 45:46
  current wave of feminism is focused on things that I think are not only unnecessary,
• 45:52
  but often counterintuitive to the principles I think are best for all people,
• 45:55
  especially women. Today's feminism movement is I would say, permea by a victimhood
• 46:00
  mentality. There's often a real sense of entitlement, and many of these women
• 46:05
  do just hate men. Know what really annoys me? All right? Well,
• 46:08
  I mean okay, I don't think this is new, but again,
• 46:16
  all right, well, you want to listen to this TikTok video. Okay,
• 46:20
  let's let's play it like what really? Just like, oh, I
• 46:24
  just so frustrating. I'm not gonna pus you for it. I'm just gonna
• 46:28
  say I'm gonna tell it like it is. It's when men. Currently,
• 46:35
  they're very focused on things like abortion. They started the Me Too movement,
• 46:39
  which I have critiqued on this channel multiple times. I love I love that
• 46:44
  they just stopped for a second. I love that it's when men. It's
• 46:49
  when men. Yeah, but like, just oh god, it is is
• 46:55
  true, but it is just women like they're just like they're not even they're
• 47:01
  doing this for other women. They're doing this for other women, going oh,
• 47:05
  I know right, No, no, it's normalized that. That's going
• 47:07
  to be the next version. It's uh, the inequality when men exist.
• 47:15
  Yeah, an equality women most affected. That's that's the next, that's the
• 47:21
  next. That's what's coming down the pike. Mm hmmm mmm Okay, let's
• 47:25
  keep all right, let's keep going more of this. A former criminal justice
• 47:30
  reform warrior, I can't stand the METO movement. It went in the total
• 47:35
  opposite direction of what we needed to do, which is actually reduced government involvement,
• 47:39
  reduced the number of crimes that they're incarcerating people for, and have a
• 47:44
  higher barrier. Is that wait? Wait, wait, wait, wait wait
• 47:46
  wait you think the Me Too movement was originally to reduce No, no,
• 47:52
  no, she's saying that this is a problem because she this particular thing that
• 47:58
  she is for, which is a reduction of oversight when it comes to criminal
• 48:00
  prosecution. The me too movement made worse. So she's saying, well,
• 48:05
  that's bad. Yeah, it is bad. But the me too movement was
• 48:08
  in the beginning of this. All of the rape shield laws, all of
• 48:12
  the laws that make sexual assault harassment, and sexual violence some kind of special
• 48:17
  category of violence, and domestic of violence a special category of violence, all
• 48:22
  of that. That's when it started, Like, if you really want to
• 48:27
  go after overreach and prosecution, then go after overreach and prosecution, because the
• 48:31
  me too movement wasn't the beginning. Good law. Good god. I remember
• 48:36
  when Title nine came in with college campuses. Before Title nine came in with
• 48:40
  college campuses, because we you know, I'm a long I'm an old old
• 48:45
  timer now, and before Title nine with college campuses, we were concerned about
• 48:52
  false rape accusations and how the police dealt with evidence of rape and the rape
• 48:59
  shield laws, and how there's pressure to get rid of exculpatory evidence when it
• 49:05
  comes to sexual violence and domestic violence when a man is accused. And well,
• 49:09
  then the Title nine came in and it's like they were such incredible kangaroo
• 49:15
  courts that we were like, oh God, actually reporting this stuff to the
• 49:19
  police is better, right, you know, just having the police deal with
• 49:23
  it, regardless of the biases that we were calling out before Title nine,
• 49:29
  having the police deal with it was less horrible than having a kangaroo court on
• 49:36
  a campus deal with it. And now that's gotten worse too. But then
• 49:39
  the me too stuff came out and it became lynching by public opinion, you
• 49:45
  know, and these extra judicial punishments like the complete destruction of careers, like
• 49:50
  this is a long, long and again it's just that that whole attitude of
• 49:55
  we're advocating eure equality, but we define equality to the complete exclusion of the
• 50:00
  situation for men. Now she seems to recognize it in this instance, but
• 50:06
  there's a long history of this happening well before me Too. I mean,
• 50:10
  it's even lynching if you go that far back, is an extrajudicial, extra
• 50:16
  judicial punishment applied by the populace against men accused of sexual abuse, not just
• 50:23
  black men, but also men of other poor men, men of other like
• 50:29
  ethbilities, you know, And so all of this is like there's a whole
• 50:32
  history of this that she's ignorant of because she applies the feminist lens to history
• 50:40
  and she's never going to escape that. All right, Yeah, okay,
• 50:45
  I'm done here for proving that people are actually guilty of real crimes when they
• 50:51
  do exist. The Me Too movement oftentimes fought to get rid of due process.
• 50:54
  They said, just believe all women. You don't have to prove your
• 50:58
  case. This is unjust. You should just take their word for it.
• 51:00
  They often tried to lump sexual harassment and with actual criminal activity like sexual assault.
• 51:06
  You can refer back to other videos on my channel for more of my
• 51:08
  thoughts on that. But that is a very, very bad approach to an
• 51:12
  issue that I think is already one of the worst in our entire political system.
• 51:16
  The cerinal justice system is a total mess. It needs to be absolutely
• 51:20
  restructured, and we need to do a much better job of protecting individual rights
• 51:22
  within it. I've also okay, that's fine, but again, there's a
• 51:30
  longer history of that, and it starts with rape shield. Yeah, this
• 51:34
  isn't This didn't start with like third wave or fourth wave feminism me too.
• 51:37
  So yeah, okay, I've noticed that the current wave of feminism is often
• 51:44
  very wrong about the things it's trying to accomplish. So one of the things
• 51:49
  that they talk about ad nauseum is the alleged gender pay gap, which does
• 51:52
  not exist. Read my lips, it doesn't exist. It's been debunked over
• 51:58
  and over and over. Women are not paid less for them all right,
• 52:01
  all right, all right, So she's her it's we have This is like
• 52:07
  fifty minutes long, and Hannah Cox is refuting the most basic bitch feminist talking
• 52:14
  points or the most ridiculous one. She's not going to actually confront the premise.
• 52:22
  So maybe we can jump ahead a little bit. I can look at
• 52:23
  the thumbnail here unless so we can look at some of the screenshots of things
• 52:30
  that she's just wanting to the pursuit of. Happy little bit, let's just
• 52:34
  go a little bit behint before that screenshot and see what she's saying there.
• 52:37
  Right. That I think is really important for humans to flourish is for people
• 52:43
  to understand that they can always have agency. You cannot control your circumstances,
• 52:50
  but you can prove them, you can decide your mentality around them, especially
• 52:54
  in this country where we have so many freedoms, we have so many economic
• 52:59
  opportunities, so many things we've been given that people throughout history would literally know.
• 53:02
  I think that we need to go through the rest of it. I'm
• 53:06
  sorry, there's just too much of a gap in the in the logic here.
• 53:09
  So we were at like six minutes, I believe, But let's just
• 53:15
  I think that we can just let her talk, all right, and maybe
• 53:19
  we might get dinged, you know what I'm willing to all Right, Well,
• 53:22
  I think at worse it's going to be look fair us, we're just
• 53:28
  responding. At worse, we're going to be the video will be demonetized.
• 53:31
  Our channels demonetize anyway, so it less because of the jobs they choose.
• 53:37
  They're also more likely to take time away from the labor force, but they
• 53:39
  continue to beat this drum, even though it's been illegal to pay women less
• 53:44
  than men since nineteen sixty three. As a whole, the fourth wave of
• 53:47
  feminism. Look, I think putting that law in effect was really just kind
• 53:52
  of like a gesture anyways, because you can't like if I okay, if
• 53:59
  I I like work at a business and this has happened, and I know
• 54:02
  people in the chat have experiences when you were starting off, you were a
• 54:06
  new person just entering the workforce, teenager, bright eyed, bushy tailed.
• 54:10
  You get a job somewhere, you come in, no experience, your bottom
• 54:15
  of the barrel, you probably and then you might have peers that are work
• 54:17
  in the same position. When I started, I was a bus boy.
• 54:20
  My first job, busboy at a restaurant. Okay, I was making like,
• 54:24
  I think it was like four dollars an hour something, right, and
• 54:29
  then I would get ten percent of the waitress's tips, and the waitresses were
• 54:32
  starting at about two fifteen. So like if I made less than the dishwasher
• 54:39
  or one of the other bus boys because they had experience like that that had
• 54:44
  nothing to do with discrimination, you can't make that, illgal, like people,
• 54:47
  when you work somewhere, you make an agreement with your boss on a
• 54:53
  pay rate, and then they give it to you, and sometimes you're gonna
• 54:57
  find out that maybe some other guy that worked in your company, in your
• 55:00
  same job is making more than you or less than you. Okay, it's
• 55:05
  not like I'm just saying like people have the right to discriminate or decide that
• 55:10
  what they're going to pay an employee. Because this is a conversation that happens
• 55:15
  right, yes, and we need to find where this woman actually compares feminism
• 55:22
  to redpill. We're seven and it's in and just let's just all right.
• 55:28
  It's mostly a trojan horse of a vehicle to advance socialism. There is a
• 55:32
  very big government and often anti capitalist agenda that courses throughout it. There is
• 55:37
  a real erosion of individualism within its ideology, and ultimately many of its goals
• 55:43
  actually undermine civil rights. Socialism and communism about getting it brings from a productive
• 55:49
  group to a non productive group. That's all I want to tune into much
• 55:52
  of the work I've done in the past talking about this, especially the debate
• 55:55
  I did on the Jubilee Network against communists not long ago. But as I
• 55:59
  point out it out there, these series hurt everyone, but they especially hurt
• 56:02
  women, and the mentalities that underlie them are completely toxic. It is not
• 56:07
  good to lead your life with a victim mentality, and that is what current
• 56:12
  feminists are pushing. They do sorority girl, actress, influencer, victim.
• 56:16
  Yeah, that's totally may. They want people to feel like victims, they
• 56:20
  want them to feel helpless, they want them to have a lot of social
• 56:23
  divides against observable and feel that they've been wrong, because then they can come
• 56:28
  in as the big solution with all of their big government ideas, as you're
• 56:31
  strong man, that's going to save you and fix your life. These kinds
• 56:35
  of philosophies not only hurt people on a macro level because they are bad for
• 56:39
  the economy, they're bad for people who want to increase their quality of life.
• 56:44
  They hurt people on interpersonal level because they keep you trapped to the mentality
• 56:46
  of not having any agency or the ability to shape the role around you.
• 56:52
  That's demoralizing and over time it makes people absolutely miserable. And this is one
• 56:57
  of the main reasons I have opposed fourth wave feminism so hard. It goes
• 57:00
  against my core beliefs of free market capitalism and individualism and limited government. It's
• 57:06
  part of why I started the show. I can't stand the anti coming out
• 57:10
  of the right lately, but the left does not offer a good alternative woman
• 57:14
  either not well, yeah, it's and it's also hugely anti mail, Like,
• 57:20
  yeah, what's the anti woman stuff coming out of the right, though,
• 57:22
  I guess fationalism. I don't know who knows like that. I think
• 57:25
  that's her big thing is that she doesn't like feminine women or women who are
• 57:31
  more interested in nurturing or taking care. He wants girl boss girl bosses,
• 57:37
  girl bosses all the way. Okay, only think that the principles of a
• 57:42
  limited government and individualism and free markets are good principles to me. I think
• 57:46
  they're ethical, and I think they are the theories that lead to the greatest
• 57:51
  enjoyment of life for the most people. They lead to me, I know
• 57:53
  that we have a problem with this. Have to just let it play.
• 57:57
  Just let it play, let me talk, we have a problem. Just
• 58:00
  we're done. And podcasts they help this diversity thing. For PETI forge community.
• 58:06
  These are fond society because we are consistent, say from these red pillars
• 58:13
  and I'm going awhere is that And when it comes to women's issues, especially
• 58:17
  when you start talking about dating and relationships with America And what's really interesting I
• 58:22
  think about this and why I think the red pill manisphere is just a mirror
• 58:25
  image of fourth wave feminism. It because they are both selling an ideology that
• 58:31
  is trying to entrap people, that makes them feel like victims, that reduces
• 58:36
  their likelihood of being able to get into successful relationships, that makes them distrust
• 58:40
  and hate the opposite gender, and boy is it working. Just look at
• 58:45
  society. We see fewer and fewer people forming lasting relationships. We see fewer
• 58:49
  people getting married. We see more kids being born into single parent households,
• 58:53
  relationships and marriage and families. But okay, let's look at this a little
• 59:00
  bit where I let you. So your claim is that feminism is making women
• 59:07
  hate men, just like bringing it down to something very simple, because they
• 59:10
  have like exaggerated claims and they try to paint women as victims of men,
• 59:15
  and the manisphere or the red pill does the same thing to men. It
• 59:20
  makes them victims of women, and it makes them resentful towards women, and
• 59:25
  it makes them feel like victims of women with no age of with no agency.
• 59:30
  And your evidence for this is that marriage rates are dropping, divorces are
• 59:38
  really, you know, going way up, and single parent households are on
• 59:43
  the rise. And this is the fault of both sides, even though the
• 59:49
  manisphere content is very recent, We've only been hearing about it probably in the
• 59:54
  last ten years. And the divorce rates, the single parent house old issue,
• 1:00:01
  and the and the the the general fear that women have for men or
• 1:00:07
  the victimhood is way older. It goes back probably at least one hundred years
• 1:00:13
  or longer. But this is the fault of both sides. This is both
• 1:00:16
  sides, is what I'm getting. Yeah, and you don't think that the
• 1:00:22
  things like no fault divorce. Oh and another thing too, is that you
• 1:00:29
  want men and women to date and form families, but also women to be
• 1:00:35
  girl bosses and men to step up to the plate and try to match them
• 1:00:37
  in some way, and for those women in those marriages with men who are
• 1:00:43
  making the same or less than them to be happy with those men anyway,
• 1:00:46
  without ever asking women if this is something that they want. Okay, her
• 1:00:52
  whole whole or her whole a corpus, how do you just say it like
• 1:00:59
  her body of work includes In the last time we responded to her, she
• 1:01:02
  was talking about inferior men. She was talking about contempt towards men who didn't
• 1:01:07
  rise to her her standards. Yes, right, so all of those scrubs,
• 1:01:12
  you know, they should just crawl off and die, supposedly, And
• 1:01:16
  now she's saying, well, but people aren't marrying because of well, but
• 1:01:22
  you're not asking the right questions. And if the red pill bros say Hey,
• 1:01:28
  maybe it's because women's standards are insane. You're gonna say, well,
• 1:01:32
  you're just making yourselves out to be victims. So the whole narrative around victimhood
• 1:01:38
  of women is okay when it got all the things that you felt were necessary,
• 1:01:44
  which I would argue, but I'll just leave that. But once men
• 1:01:46
  are like, hey, this society seems to we've constructed a society in which
• 1:01:51
  women don't find us attractive. This seems untenable. You're like, well,
• 1:01:54
  don't victimize yourself, bro, Like you're she must do you, like know,
• 1:02:00
  Alex Syke, is that the person you've been talking to, because I
• 1:02:04
  said this sounds like that language, Well it's your external locus of control Bros.
• 1:02:07
  Yeah, And it's like, but then now we can't have the conversation,
• 1:02:12
  you know, because what feminists are doing. What feminists are doing now
• 1:02:16
  is making so the average woman isn't attracted to the average man. But if
• 1:02:21
  the average if a man, like the red pill bros bring this up and
• 1:02:24
  say hey, this is an issue, You're like, well, don't don't
• 1:02:29
  make yourself, don't make men out to be victims. Well, how are
• 1:02:31
  we going to solve the problem if we can't you know? And this is
• 1:02:35
  the thing. Yes, it's a problem when you have a mindset in which
• 1:02:39
  women are always and forever simply expressions of men's actions. And it's not just
• 1:02:46
  victimhood, Hannah, It's not just an issue with victimhood. It is an
• 1:02:51
  issue across the board when you embrace that notion for women, women's virtues are
• 1:02:57
  also an expression of men's actions because men. You know, if a woman
• 1:03:00
  achieved something, it's really because men let her right, they gave her the
• 1:03:06
  ability, because they could take it away just as easily. That is the
• 1:03:09
  whole framework, is that women exist solely as expressions of men's actions and choices.
• 1:03:15
  Now, feminists want to only see that in terms of the negative,
• 1:03:19
  and many, I'm not saying all the manosphere only want to see that in
• 1:03:22
  terms of the positive. That whole framework is screwed up. But we don't
• 1:03:28
  solve it by saying, oh, well, men can't we can't recognize how
• 1:03:32
  women act on men, Like, how do you solve that? How do
• 1:03:36
  you solve the problems of the framework that we only recognize how men act on
• 1:03:39
  women by refusing to recognize how women act on men? How do you solve
• 1:03:44
  that? Hannah, because that's what you're doing right now. And this is
• 1:03:46
  the problem with having an analysis when you haven't even begun to step out of
• 1:03:53
  the paradigm. Mm hmm, Okay, do we continue? Yes, are
• 1:04:01
  good for people now getting through that there is some work that needs to be
• 1:04:04
  done so that heterosexual couples have more equitable partnerships. That the fricking video talking
• 1:04:15
  about how how many percentage of men are inferior to you? Hannah, Like,
• 1:04:19
  what do you think that does? Like you are basically destroying people's relationships
• 1:04:27
  yourself by throwing your ass around. Oh I got a good man, I
• 1:04:30
  got the best man. You don't get a man like mine. You're you're
• 1:04:33
  you're a lesser. You're just you're just you're just you're enabling a scrub,
• 1:04:40
  you know, Like, what do you think that does? And honestly,
• 1:04:44
  now that you've expressed your insane expectations, you're insane expectations, You're you're disavowing
• 1:04:51
  any responsibility for how your insane expectations, your promotion of insane expectations among women
• 1:04:59
  is causing problem. Also, she does she just use the word equitable.
• 1:05:04
  Oh, I get a bit, just a little bit, like I don't
• 1:05:09
  relationships. We see fewer people getting married, we see more kids being born
• 1:05:14
  into single parent households. Relationships and marriage and families are good for people.
• 1:05:18
  Yes, there is some work that needs to be done so that heterosexual couples
• 1:05:23
  have more equitable partnerships, but that doesn't Oh, here's the big problem.
• 1:05:31
  Okay, Now I'm gonna be I'm gonna look at in the situation. I'm
• 1:05:36
  gonna I'm gonna take the situation in the Middle East, and I'm gonna look
• 1:05:40
  at it from of a different angle. So I'm not gonna weigh in on
• 1:05:43
  any kind of which politics is what. Israeli women are conservative and they're willing
• 1:05:50
  to put themselves in line for their values. Like they may be not as
• 1:05:55
  much as Israeli men, but they are willing to put themselves in harm's way
• 1:06:00
  to promote their society, their community, their family, and their values.
• 1:06:02
  Muslim women, maybe not as much as Muslim men, are willing to put
• 1:06:08
  themselves in harms way to promote their society, their family, and their values.
• 1:06:12
  They are willing to sacrifice their lives for what they believe in those two
• 1:06:18
  the women of those cultures, which is unfortunate because you know they're at odds,
• 1:06:21
  but our women in the West won't even go on a date. That
• 1:06:30
  is a problem, right, because when a society, when women will not
• 1:06:33
  sacrifice anything for a society, for the society that they take from that supports
• 1:06:40
  them, supposedly that society doesn't exist. So your entire are video on how
• 1:06:46
  the average man is not attractive to you as a scrub is contributing to this
• 1:06:55
  problem. And this problem is that women in our society are not attracted to
• 1:07:00
  the average man, who is primarily responsible for constructing this society. That's not
• 1:07:05
  It's like Israeli women, Muslim women willing to sacrifice their lives, not just
• 1:07:11
  willing to marry and have children and build families with men, willing to sacrifice
• 1:07:15
  their lives for the societies that they're a part of. Our society women don't
• 1:07:21
  even want to go on a date. They don't even want to settle down,
• 1:07:26
  they don't want to have they don't want to have even the most peaceful
• 1:07:30
  companionship with men. They don't want that because they're just they're the average man
• 1:07:33
  of our society isn't isn't attractive, And that is a problem because it itself
• 1:07:42
  is a problem, and I'm gonna get into this. I'm gonna try to
• 1:07:44
  explain this. If the average woman in the West is not attracted to the
• 1:07:47
  average man, we don't have a future. And the average man in the
• 1:07:53
  West should be attractive simply because he has helped construct a societciety that is the
• 1:08:00
  safest and the most comfortable and the most prosperous in human history. That should
• 1:08:06
  have made him attractive to the average woman in the West. But we can't
• 1:08:13
  acknowledge any of that. We can't acknowledge any of the good stuff about men
• 1:08:18
  in the West. We have to continually drumbeat this idea that they're failing their
• 1:08:24
  women. You said equitable in relationships. That's just the drum beat. Men
• 1:08:28
  are a bad investment for women. We can't look at men. The average
• 1:08:33
  man, the average man who is a ups driver, fixes the roads,
• 1:08:40
  fixes the sewers, alignment garbage men. Average men like that that the men
• 1:08:45
  you consider beneath you, that you shit on, women do not find them
• 1:08:54
  attractive, even though they are the ones primarily responsible for everything we enjoy.
• 1:08:59
  And that is a problem, long term, full stop. And you are
• 1:09:02
  not helping by saying, well, I get to I get to do I
• 1:09:08
  get to make this problem worse. And if men complain, well, it's
• 1:09:13
  their complaints that's the problem. Take responsibility for your own behavior. And this
• 1:09:19
  is the other thing. She's free to point fingers at other women. She
• 1:09:24
  doesn't want those fingers pointed at her. She wants me feel free to engage
• 1:09:29
  in the activities that are actually constructing this problem without taking responsibility for what she's
• 1:09:34
  doing, which is increasing this toxic load of contempt towards the average man in
• 1:09:41
  the West. And like I said, Israeli women, Muslim women, regardless
• 1:09:46
  of what you think of the conflict, both of them are willing to put
• 1:09:48
  their lives in line for their cultures. And Hannah Cox won't even date a
• 1:09:54
  plumber for hers All right, let's play some more h that they should be
• 1:10:00
  avoided. And yet that's what both of these ideologies are preaching. The Manisphere
• 1:10:04
  often claims. The Manisphere doesn't is a reaction to feminism. If you listen
• 1:10:09
  to these men, they'll tell you feminism has ruined everything. Yeah, there's
• 1:10:12
  nothing wrong with reacting like there's like there is this she's saying that the men's
• 1:10:18
  movement or the Manisphere is a response to a reaction, and I'm saying that's
• 1:10:24
  okay. Yeah, Like if you think it's like saying, yeah, that's
• 1:10:30
  like saying you know, like I don't know, like when they claim they're
• 1:10:34
  a reaction to feminism, and she's basically going to say that's not acceptable because
• 1:10:40
  because men can't be a reaction to women's actions. That's as simple as that.
• 1:10:45
  She's stuck in a framework. She's not going to make any headway.
• 1:10:48
  Stuck in this framework. Okay, I've launched as a reaction to feminism.
• 1:10:53
  If you listen to these men, they'll tell you feminism has ruined everything,
• 1:10:56
  is completely destroyed society. It's created an a level playing field for them.
• 1:11:01
  All These women just hate men. It's roomed the women out there. No
• 1:11:05
  women are any good in Western cultures anymore. But if you listen tooth and
• 1:11:10
  Dog, they actually just sound like most of these fourth wave feminists. Okay,
• 1:11:15
  is that what you just said? Yeah, I mean, didn't you
• 1:11:18
  just say that women, like fourth wave feminist women do hate men and there
• 1:11:24
  is like a culture of resentment, yes, sports men, and they're asking
• 1:11:29
  for ridiculously stupid shit and demanding them those things as rights. Which, yeah,
• 1:11:32
  she is too but she's trying to point the thing and say, no,
• 1:11:36
  those those people are really really ridiculous, right, therefore you shouldn't react
• 1:11:42
  to anything like those people are really ridiculous, so you shouldn't react. Like
• 1:11:47
  so they sound like fourth wave feminists. So this this individual like that isn't
• 1:11:56
  hatred of women. That's telling women to stop certain behaviors. Hannah, Yeah,
• 1:12:01
  like criticizing behaviors like that woman was like, I uh, I really
• 1:12:06
  hate it when men and then said nothing when men exist, when men are
• 1:12:11
  basically that men exist, that's her problem. The red pill bros In response
• 1:12:16
  to that are saying, hey, could you stop this specific behavior? And
• 1:12:20
  you're saying that's the same, It ain't the same, Okay, Yeah,
• 1:12:27
  I mean there's clearly a side like like there would like I've said many times,
• 1:12:31
  if if feminism hadn't done what it's done to society and women on the
• 1:12:36
  whole, there would be no manisphere. It wouldn't exist. So the fact
• 1:12:42
  that Hannah Cox says the manisphere is a reaction to feminism, yes, that's
• 1:12:47
  right, because feminism is ridiculous and somebody needs to like rein it in Like,
• 1:12:54
  what what is the problem here? I don't understand. Yeah, she's
• 1:12:58
  basically saying, well, kit, let's set aside all this stuff about third
• 1:13:01
  wave feminism and all this other stuff. She said, just first fourth wave
• 1:13:05
  seven feminism is a problem, but you know, men trying to rein it
• 1:13:09
  in or pointing out the behavior is just as big of a problem, just
• 1:13:13
  as big as a problem. Okay, yeah, okay, So basically,
• 1:13:16
  Hannah, you're saying that, let's just keep doing what we're doing. Yeah,
• 1:13:20
  and like what what Like Honestly, it's it's very it's interesting too because
• 1:13:26
  there's there's like the way that she because she's in she engaged in framing in
• 1:13:30
  the beginning. Okay, so she's like, here's the problem with feminism,
• 1:13:34
  and she was very specific to say, we're not gonna talk about historical feminism
• 1:13:40
  or feminism in these other countries over here, she says, it's still necessary
• 1:13:43
  today somewhere else. Right, We're only gonna talk about feminism today in this
• 1:13:49
  in this time in history when I think it's a little ridiculous. And here
• 1:13:55
  are the reasons. And she brings up the wage gap and to me too
• 1:13:59
  move movement successes, and like, you know, that's it, Like that's
• 1:14:03
  like her criticisms are personally very mild. Nothing existential, nothing about like the
• 1:14:11
  the absolute like you know, framing of the relationship between men and women as
• 1:14:15
  predatory and dangerous to women at all, just like wage gap, me too
• 1:14:19
  movement, man that went a little too far. I don't like what they're
• 1:14:23
  you know, they want to make the government a bit bigger. I'm not
• 1:14:26
  a fan of that. Therefore, because libertarianism. But then when she goes
• 1:14:30
  to critique the MANI Sphere, she doesn't get into anything specific. She just
• 1:14:34
  says, I don't like them because they're mean. They're mean to women online,
• 1:14:40
  and all of a sudden, the framing is unnecessary. There's no like
• 1:14:44
  here is where they have a good point. Here are the really good things
• 1:14:46
  about this. There's none of this coming up. It's all like they make
• 1:14:50
  they make my fiefies hurt, and I don't like it. So this is
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  just as bad. So like none of the historical stuff is accounted for,
• 1:14:59
  none of the older waves count for some reason, and the Man of Sphere
• 1:15:03
  despite okay, so it's older than what I said, but it's not as
• 1:15:08
  old as feminism or even like pro to feminism, which is just like the
• 1:15:12
  general tendency to this to prefer women. This is what I'm getting from you.
• 1:15:18
  This is not a centrist position, No, of course not. This
• 1:15:21
  is this is you're on one side of the horseshoe. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:15:26
  guess what, there is no horseshoe. You're not on it. You're in
• 1:15:30
  the You're if the horseshoe was the bell curve, you would be at the
• 1:15:32
  top for sure, because you're a midden. Weiting to say that feminists that
• 1:15:39
  feminist you remember, let's just use let's just use examplely feminist who basically said
• 1:15:43
  that she resents don't you hate it when men? Yeah, when you men
• 1:15:47
  exist is the same as a man saying, hey, could you stow the
• 1:15:53
  hatred towards us? And until you do, I don't feel like being in
• 1:15:57
  a relationship with you. That that is not the same. No, we're
• 1:16:01
  trying to make an equivalence there. Men. Men are not even claiming to
• 1:16:06
  be victims of a pay gap. They're not claiming to be victims of great
• 1:16:12
  culture. They're not claiming that there needs to be more laws, that we
• 1:16:15
  should lower the standard of evidence to put women away. They're not they're not
• 1:16:20
  They're not saying that women shouldn't have a right to an abortion. They're not.
• 1:16:26
  They're not, they're not doing any of those things. Some are doing
• 1:16:28
  it, but there there are more men who are there are more women who
• 1:16:30
  are against. That's different that that's that's but that's not about women. That's
• 1:16:34
  about abortion. I'm just saying it's different. Okay, Fausle factor, but
• 1:16:39
  go ahead, Okay. But they're also not saying that we should pretend that
• 1:16:44
  when men force women to have sex it's not rape. They're also not going
• 1:16:48
  into domestic violence and sexual assault and change and trying to cook the books to
• 1:16:54
  render female victims completely invisible. And if they were feminists would say that's evidence
• 1:16:59
  of patriotarchy. Right, there's no male version of the Dluth model. There's
• 1:17:03
  no Mister magazine. There are no quotas that only fifteen percent of men could
• 1:17:09
  be arrested for domestic violence. Like, these things are not equivalent. And
• 1:17:13
  even what you've shown is an equivalent. There's no equivalent to Uh, you
• 1:17:17
  know, I resent the fact that that men men exist. Okay, all
• 1:17:25
  right, let's continue. I don't want to look at the comments yet.
• 1:17:28
  All right, a little bit more. Yeah, they aren't able to form
• 1:17:31
  bonds, with the opposite gender, They lack agency, they feel like victims.
• 1:17:36
  They aren't actually offering an alternative to feminism at all. Instead, it's
• 1:17:41
  just merely an overcorrection being put into a conservative package and sold to men.
• 1:17:45
  And I'm how is an ore? I don't think it's an over correction.
• 1:17:49
  I don't think it's conservative either. And plus one other thing is uh,
• 1:17:55
  are you suggesting that the Manu spear should offer an alternative to feminism? Because
• 1:17:59
  I feel like that's not going to go over very well with women, not
• 1:18:01
  not feminists, with women and the simps that protect them. Guess what not
• 1:18:06
  gonna work? What do you propose? What's the third way? Show me,
• 1:18:11
  great Jedi of of the of gender, show me, how do you
• 1:18:15
  address this? I'm really curious because I love them when people say, well,
• 1:18:19
  you know, if only we could evolve human beings in another direction,
• 1:18:23
  we could fix everything. Show me the way? Even this is basically I
• 1:18:28
  have these problems with fourth wave feminists, but if men have the problems,
• 1:18:33
  then they're just the same as fourth wave feminists. Like Hannah, you're not
• 1:18:39
  trying to date women today, right, You are not having a direct experience
• 1:18:44
  of all of this crap. Yeah, so you know, you you aren't
• 1:18:48
  really in position to and I mean maybe you know. I'm probably not either,
• 1:18:51
  but I actually listen to men, so you know, But like this
• 1:18:57
  is this is this horseshoe. You're right, this this horseshoe is it's just
• 1:19:00
  bullshit because she's on one side, she's firmly on one side, and she's
• 1:19:03
  trying to equate a response to something as being just as bad as the thing
• 1:19:09
  it's responding to. And again, I think that this is just her being
• 1:19:14
  in the framework of being unable to recognize how women act on men, to
• 1:19:19
  having some sort of existential crisis to the point where I don't even think she
• 1:19:24
  can recognize how women act on men. So when men are like, hey,
• 1:19:28
  women are acting on us in this way, she's like, well,
• 1:19:30
  that's exactly the same as women saying that there are women are acting on them.
• 1:19:34
  No, it isn't, because again, the feminist framework is that women's
• 1:19:41
  actions and choices don't exist in patriarchy, only men's do, and women are
• 1:19:45
  a reaction to men's actions. Now, feminists only want to acknowledge that in
• 1:19:50
  a negative way. But again, it's just women are reactions to men's actions
• 1:19:55
  women are expressions of men's actions. So it's not the same, and men
• 1:20:00
  are like, hey, women affect us in this way, we women have
• 1:20:03
  an effect on us. That's that is not two sides of a horseshoe.
• 1:20:09
  It's not two sides of a horseshoe. Okay, I can't think of a
• 1:20:14
  geometric shape off the top of my head. That that is but one side
• 1:20:17
  saying that women don't exist except as expressions of men's actions and only in the
• 1:20:23
  negative, and the other side is saying no, wait, actually, men
• 1:20:26
  also have you know, are acted upon by women. That's not two sides
• 1:20:30
  of a horseshoe. That's one side being saying something that should be common sense
• 1:20:38
  because men are people, and people can be affected by external circumstances and forces,
• 1:20:45
  you know, and men can be affected by women. Right, Recognizing
• 1:20:49
  that is just common sense. It's not the same as defining yourself only as
• 1:20:55
  an expression of men's actions. Did you see what I'm saying? Like,
• 1:20:59
  it's a not the same? Oh? I know, I say, I
• 1:21:01
  knew that in the beginning this was what it was gonna be. Oh,
• 1:21:04
  because this is like every centrist position is just a feminist position. Like I
• 1:21:10
  don't even need to go into like the detail. It's the same. So
• 1:21:14
  okay, concerned about this not just because as a woman, I don't like
• 1:21:17
  anti women's sentiments tating old anywhere, but I'm also concerned about it because it's
• 1:21:21
  traditionally Wait wait wait wait wait wait, how is like all you've said is
• 1:21:28
  okay? Uh? Hannah Cox says I don't like fourth wave feminism for a
• 1:21:32
  B and C. Men say I don't like fourth wave for feminism for a
• 1:21:36
  B and C. Hannah Cox, Oh wait, slow down there. We
• 1:21:40
  don't want to make any anti women's sentiments. You're being mean online. Did
• 1:21:45
  you just tell me to is that cat turd in the in the chat?
• 1:21:47
  Did you just tell me to make a sandwich? Oh my god, I'm
• 1:21:50
  being oppressed. Hannah's like, I'm identifying these women as a problem. But
• 1:21:56
  if men are like, yeah, these women's behavior is a problem, Hannah's
• 1:21:59
  like, no, woy whoa, whoa, that's only only I get to
• 1:22:02
  do that, Like, did you did you? Did you just see you
• 1:22:06
  did that? Hannah, You're like, fourth wave feminism is a problem,
• 1:22:12
  and then men are like fourth wave feminism is a problem, and Hannah's like,
• 1:22:15
  men are the problem, like, no, she wants, she wants,
• 1:22:21
  she wants. Here's what I think. Okay, okay, she wants
• 1:22:26
  men to be able to critique feminism, but she doesn't like the way they
• 1:22:30
  do it. She's gonna she's she's engaging in tone policing, I know.
• 1:22:33
  But I think she's going to say she's going to engage in tone policing of
• 1:22:39
  men. You may be thinking that, Brian, but that's not what she's
• 1:22:42
  done. Now. What if she has done now is she is critiqued fourth
• 1:22:45
  wave feminism and then described men critiquing fourth wave feminism almost the same things that
• 1:22:50
  she's critiquing, specifically the hatred right, And she says that's bad, right.
• 1:22:58
  But what I'm saying is she things shoe she doesn't know. No,
• 1:23:01
  it's not even like a horseshoe, because she is, I don't know,
• 1:23:06
  hovering outside the two ends of the horseshoe, and she sees one end saying
• 1:23:12
  hey, men are bad, and she sees the other end saying hey,
• 1:23:15
  women stop saying that, and she says, oh no, Actually she looks
• 1:23:19
  at the one end and says, hey, that's really extreme. Men are
• 1:23:23
  are are I don't can't get behind fourth wave feminism, and then she sees
• 1:23:28
  the other side saying exactly what she just said and then says, it's extreme.
• 1:23:31
  What the fuck kind of pretzel logic is this? Yeah, it's like,
• 1:23:35
  yeah, I know, let's let's let's play. Right has been the
• 1:23:41
  best vehicle to advance capitalism, to advance limited government and pro individual ideas.
• 1:23:46
  But as these men continue to I feel like I'm becoming more talk to her.
• 1:23:53
  She's not. She's like, look, libertarianism has been taken over by
• 1:23:57
  communists, so you can just join the Libertarian Party if you want. Yeah,
• 1:24:02
  I mean, like all she knows it's she didn't like, did you
• 1:24:05
  even read like one Iron Rand book? It seems like all you know is
• 1:24:10
  free market? Uh, limited government individualism. Isn't that the whole thing?
• 1:24:15
  Like are you even gonna are you even gonna bring up the NAP at least?
• 1:24:19
  No, Just capitalism, limited government, individualism, that's it. That's
• 1:24:27
  the whole thing. I think that she's looking at this from the lens of
• 1:24:30
  what she desires. So she desires something from men, and that's these things
• 1:24:34
  like money, basically materialism, and she doesn't want men to not do that.
• 1:24:41
  Like literally, this is the most basic basic I'm amygdala version of libertarianism,
• 1:24:49
  which is basically communist men, give me the egg. Well, it's
• 1:24:54
  just like when we had you know, Karen has said that the Libertarian Party
• 1:24:58
  better be careful when that they let women in because they're going to start changing
• 1:25:03
  it. And I think that this is a very good example. I mean,
• 1:25:06
  I can imagine her. No, it's not it's about it give her
• 1:25:10
  the ick. Yes, it's about the turning off women and droves. And
• 1:25:14
  newsflash, women are fifty percent of this country. You cannot really have a
• 1:25:17
  successful political movement that completely exempts them. And it will completely exempt them if
• 1:25:23
  this rhetoric keeps up, because while the life has okay, you can have
• 1:25:29
  a political movement that completely exempts men, but not one that completely exempts women,
• 1:25:33
  that does not consider they're interest at all, even the interests that align
• 1:25:36
  with yours. Hannah, Like, literally, you're saying, well, fourth
• 1:25:41
  wave feminism is bad, but if men say it, then that's even worse.
• 1:25:45
  Yeah, pretzel logic, like this is not a horse, it's not
• 1:25:48
  a horseshoe, it's a pretzel, and it's in your brain. Okay,
• 1:25:53
  Well, she is sort of demonstrating and she probably doesn't realize this, but
• 1:25:58
  she is demonstrating her problem with our discourse right now, with women who are
• 1:26:04
  angry and vindictive about Roe v. Wade, so much so that regardless of
• 1:26:11
  what party they belong to, they're willing to vote to destroy the entire country
• 1:26:16
  just because they're angry about Roe v. Wade, even though they have no
• 1:26:20
  plans on even though they have no plans on getting an abortion, even though
• 1:26:25
  the only thing that happened was that the law that was bad law in the
• 1:26:30
  first place just made it to where it goes back to the States and it's
• 1:26:32
  completely rational, and there's no it's it's got nothing to do with taking away
• 1:26:38
  anyone's rights. But they're angry because they don't like how it made them feel.
• 1:26:43
  And they're like, we will vote to destroy the country. We'll open
• 1:26:46
  up the borders, we'll let everybody in, we'll let everything go to shit,
• 1:26:49
  We'll let you print money until we're all gone, just because we're angry
• 1:26:54
  with you. This is what women have done on purpose. And Hannah's saying,
• 1:26:58
  oh, man, you're not not making the women feel really welcome on
• 1:27:00
  the right. The men are not trying to vote women into fucking extinction.
• 1:27:05
  But the women are willing to do it to everyone. It's like that,
• 1:27:09
  it's like this crazy you know. I think it's one of these stand up
• 1:27:14
  comedians you tell this joke about, you know, like if you get into
• 1:27:15
  a fight where a woman, don't do it while you're driving, because she'll
• 1:27:18
  just take hold of the wheel and kill you both. Like this is what
• 1:27:21
  they're doing. And Hannah Cox is at no point does she think, you
• 1:27:25
  know, maybe maybe like women acting out in this way, like using their
• 1:27:30
  political power to destroy just because they're mad because of something that Kat Turd said
• 1:27:35
  on fucking Twitter. And I mean like maybe you shouldn't have the vote.
• 1:27:42
  Maybe your response to repeal the nineteenth is proof that we should repeal the nineteenth.
• 1:27:47
  Like yeah, I'm not saying we should do that, but you're not
• 1:27:50
  making the case. You know. Well, and here's the other thing,
• 1:27:55
  Like if we had an awareness of the situation for men, I would imagine
• 1:28:00
  the level of anger and women would be significantly less because they would realize that
• 1:28:05
  this isn't an injustice that they're facing because their women and men want to create
• 1:28:10
  the handmaiden's tail. It's simply a philosophical issue that our society is grappling with
• 1:28:15
  And it's not like the situation for men is better, because it's significantly worse.
• 1:28:20
  Men are one hundred percent obligated to children regardless of how they're conceived,
• 1:28:25
  even through the rape of men, and that is not an insignificant issue.
• 1:28:29
  As the CDC, the Center of Disease Control, has proven, like four
• 1:28:32
  years in a row before it changed its methodology and everybody stopped responding to its
• 1:28:36
  surveys, four years in a row, it found parody between men and women
• 1:28:41
  in terms of forced sex in the last year, so this is not a
• 1:28:44
  small issue. Men being forced and then subsequently made responsible for rape babies is
• 1:28:49
  not a small issue. And I actually like a young a woman who came
• 1:28:55
  to the ICMI, the International Conference for Men's Issues in like I think twenty
• 1:29:01
  seventeen or was it twenty sixteen in England. She actually was one of those
• 1:29:10
  children. Her father was raped by her mother and the destruction of her family
• 1:29:16
  was incredible and the destruction of her and she ended up committing suicide in twenty
• 1:29:21
  eighteen. So this has a real face, This has a real human cost
• 1:29:25
  to it. The fact that we do not respect men's sexual autonomy and if
• 1:29:30
  women understood that. If they understood it, maybe they would be less angry
• 1:29:35
  about the fact that they think their autonomy is being taken away. They would
• 1:29:40
  be able to conceptualize it more in terms of a philosophical issue, an issue
• 1:29:45
  of governance, an issue of when life begins and how parents are to be
• 1:29:49
  made responsible for that life. They would see it in terms of those issues
• 1:29:54
  if they had that perspective. And they don't, and why don't they because
• 1:29:58
  feminists have law down this entire argument. They don't allow that perspective to happen.
• 1:30:05
  So we are going to destroy our entire society, like feminists are going
• 1:30:10
  to are. Women voting in these capricious, a vengeful ways are going to
• 1:30:16
  cause us to implode because and again, like the Israeli conservative of Israeli women,
• 1:30:24
  conservative Muslim women, they'll even sacrifice their lives for their own cultures and
• 1:30:29
  their own philosophies. Women in our culture won't even listen to men, they
• 1:30:34
  won't even understand, they won't even expand their awareness to include men. They'll
• 1:30:40
  listen to Hannah Cox. And we're going to ride this like this whole situation
• 1:30:47
  is a problem is made worse and worse and worse because we cannot see how
• 1:30:56
  external factors affect men, and women in that context become angry because they don't
• 1:31:05
  have the full context of what's going on. So it's not even just women
• 1:31:12
  voting, it's women being groomed in this system to completely misunderstand what's going on
• 1:31:20
  voting. Okay, how much more are we gonna do? Because I'm thinking,
• 1:31:28
  you know, like if we if we had if if we went back
• 1:31:30
  like two hundred and fifty years, and we're like, yeah, only the
• 1:31:33
  babushkas can vote, you know, the women who run a freakin' farm and
• 1:31:38
  can feed like fat fifty people at any given moment, only they can vote.
• 1:31:43
  I would imagine this would not be a problem. You're seventy years old
• 1:31:47
  and you've run a farm for you know, fifty five years. You probably
• 1:31:51
  understand a lot of things that Hannah Cox will never understand. Okay, all
• 1:31:58
  right, all right, yeah, let's try to get to fifteen minutes.
• 1:32:02
  All right, all right, let's go. Well, we ruinous ideas economically,
• 1:32:05
  at least they sound nice. At least they sound like they like women,
• 1:32:09
  and so that's going to continue to attract women more and more, and
• 1:32:13
  ultimately we will lose capitalism in this country. Yeah, but it's not because
• 1:32:17
  they're saying things that are nice, because they're offering them free shit, like
• 1:32:21
  Hannah can. So you have to understand when women are generally separated from the
• 1:32:28
  product of like what like the labor that goes behind the things that they get,
• 1:32:31
  because they would have to see that it is brought to them by men.
• 1:32:36
  So because they're separated from it, Like they go to Whole Foods,
• 1:32:40
  there's just food there. They don't know how it gets there. It just
• 1:32:43
  it's in the back, that's what. It's in the back, guys.
• 1:32:45
  And so like there when the left says we're gonna we think that food should
• 1:32:51
  be free. We think housing should be free. We think abortions should be
• 1:32:55
  free. We think childcare should be free, we think education should be free,
• 1:32:58
  we think college should be free. Think people should get a universal basic
• 1:33:01
  income. Women are like bing, bing, why didn't I think of that?
• 1:33:04
  I think that's great. I don't know how any of this works.
• 1:33:08
  I just like what you're telling me. That's That's like Hannacocks can't understand that
• 1:33:14
  the reason why the Left is appealing to women is because it is appealing to
• 1:33:18
  their desire for security and free shit because they don't know where it comes from,
• 1:33:24
  because it comes from men, and because they can't see that men bring
• 1:33:29
  value to their life, because they've orgination for men, they can't they can't
• 1:33:32
  see the situation for men, so they don't think. Yes, they just
• 1:33:36
  there's just it's just magic. Oh look there's a taxicab. I call for
• 1:33:41
  an uber. Here's one. Like if men all die tomorrow, women would
• 1:33:45
  just die right after because it'd be like, what happened to my phone?
• 1:33:48
  Why isn't my Why isn't my phone working? What's going on with my internet?
• 1:33:54
  Why? I went to the CBS and it was clothes. I can't
• 1:33:56
  buy my new makeup? What's going on? How did this happen? Why
• 1:34:00
  are there no food on michells? Did you check in the back? Yes?
• 1:34:04
  And it's like this is this the issue? Yeah? Fundamentally the issue
• 1:34:09
  is female sylopsism. And I'm not saying that that that is an eternal case
• 1:34:14
  because like I said, yes, going back to my going back to my
• 1:34:16
  Babushka argument, when you have to hoe the damn potatoes, you know,
• 1:34:25
  when you have to harvest the damn potatoes, you understand what it's you know,
• 1:34:30
  why you don't want half of your harvest going to someone else when you
• 1:34:35
  understand your labor creating your situation. So your labor is why you eat.
• 1:34:45
  Your labor is why you have why you have lighting. Your labor is why
• 1:34:48
  you have water. Your labor is why you have any kind of medicine.
• 1:34:53
  Your labor is why the things around you exist. Then you understand what it
• 1:35:00
  means to have the products of your labor taken away. And this is this
• 1:35:05
  is what I say one of his female slopsis. This isn't necessarily an age
• 1:35:09
  to women, but we have this conjecture about reality in which women do not
• 1:35:15
  have to integrate the situation for men in their understanding of economics, their understanding
• 1:35:21
  of their world, in any circumstance. So, for example, the reproductive
• 1:35:28
  rights argument, suddenly it becomes men against women, men against women, when
• 1:35:32
  it isn't. No, it isn't because men don't have reproductive rights. Yeah,
• 1:35:39
  they're not a part of the conversation. It's women against women. And
• 1:35:43
  like, of course they'll point at the men in positions of political power and
• 1:35:45
  say that's why. But those men are there on behalf of women in service
• 1:35:50
  to women and so that's think they think that they think things come from the
• 1:35:57
  government, when they actually come from men and they're just distributed by the government.
• 1:36:03
  Those reproductive rights come from male taxpayers who are willing, who are made
• 1:36:08
  to SEVI subsidize single mothers. Right that otherwise you wouldn't be able to do
• 1:36:15
  it, right, That's that's that is where it comes from. So when
• 1:36:19
  you remove men from the equation, when you move men from the equation,
• 1:36:24
  women have a completely distorted view of reality. And that is the problem,
• 1:36:29
  under every single problem that you bring up, Hannah, that is where it's
• 1:36:31
  coming from. And flattering women more is not going to change that. And
• 1:36:39
  yes, now I know that the Unit Party, this is the party of
• 1:36:42
  single women. Whi's just going to be more like we're We're there, We're
• 1:36:45
  going there. That's it. That's that's where we're going. But my hope
• 1:36:48
  is that once you have drive the system into the ground, there will be
• 1:36:54
  enough left to pick up the pieces with an understanding that women can't be allowed
• 1:37:00
  to have power without unders without being aware of what men do in society.
• 1:37:09
  Yeah, what the fuck is wrong with your eyebrow? Mine? No?
• 1:37:14
  No? Hers? Like is did she did? She? Like she just
• 1:37:18
  did she get no, but underneath her like her brow, like underneath one
• 1:37:23
  of her eyebrows. Oh yeah, it looks like she looks like she's been
• 1:37:27
  playing goalie for like a hockey league. No, I think it's just I
• 1:37:31
  don't know, a maze of lighting. Kick these guys out of these spaces.
• 1:37:36
  People have got to learn to police their movements, small spaces. Who
• 1:37:41
  you associate with matters. She got like under her look at that, she's
• 1:37:45
  gonna Now we're gonna be We're not gonna respond to what she's saying. She
• 1:37:49
  is suggesting, by the way, she just suggested that men in these problematic
• 1:37:55
  men should be kicked out their spaces. Again, Is this a new thing?
• 1:38:00
  Nope, Men get together, some of them say some stuff a woman
• 1:38:03
  doesn't like. She doesn't like their tone, tone policing. You guys,
• 1:38:08
  you gotta do something about these guys because I don't like how they're saying things.
• 1:38:12
  Yeah, but that's the point, Like you can't. The problem is
• 1:38:15
  that women have no conception of the situation for men. They don't know they
• 1:38:18
  have. It's like men are a black box, so they keep making these
• 1:38:23
  decisions with only like I don't even ten percent of the information about the world,
• 1:38:29
  and it leads to resentments. It leads to thinking that the primary necessity
• 1:38:34
  is to make men do more shit. Right, So it's like, that
• 1:38:40
  is the problem here, and again, you don't solve the problem by making
• 1:38:43
  it worse, like you literally, kinda, you don't put out a fire
• 1:38:46
  by lighting more fires. But you can't indulge this anymore. At some point
• 1:38:51
  we're going to realize as a society, we cannot indulge this. We can't
• 1:38:56
  hide the situation from of men from women in perpetuity and expect anything good to
• 1:39:02
  come of it. Where are that? Okay? I know, I'm just
• 1:39:06
  now I can't unsee it. It's like, but yeah, let's just let's
• 1:39:12
  get a lot of times like who your friends are matters. It impacts you.
• 1:39:15
  People project who you are based on who you are around. The red
• 1:39:18
  pill tells men that they are victims. It tells them that their problems are
• 1:39:23
  not their own fault, but rather can be blamed on other people, often
• 1:39:26
  people who they don't even know. It scares them. It intentionally works to
• 1:39:30
  scare men away from relationships and marriages. It works to make me I think,
• 1:39:35
  wait, wait, what does your what does your girl Boss narrative due?
• 1:39:40
  Does that not also intimidate and frighten men? What about the win not?
• 1:39:44
  Let's let you know what, let's not not even talk about what women
• 1:39:47
  like her narrative that, Oh yeah, I got I got the I got
• 1:39:50
  a I got a high powered alpha bro. You know, I'm I'm I'm
• 1:39:54
  living the high life. You know where we're you know, like all that
• 1:39:58
  narrative? Does that not scare women away from settling? Yeah? Why should
• 1:40:02
  you settle? You should go for a high value alpha dude. Yeah,
• 1:40:06
  you might have to share him with like ten or fifteen we other women,
• 1:40:10
  but you could beat them. It's not us that's scaring men. It's a
• 1:40:14
  family courts. Yeah, it's like divorce court. It's reality crazy. It's
• 1:40:19
  women. Like, yeah, it's it. That's the thing, Like she
• 1:40:24
  cannot see she cannot see the effect. Like uh, like the fact that
• 1:40:31
  men can be acted on, and she's like, oh, that's the same
• 1:40:34
  as saying that women can be acted on. No, because it's saying that
• 1:40:38
  men can be acted on is just common sense. Saying that women only exist
• 1:40:42
  to be acted on is what were the problem? Okay? Right? Fact
• 1:40:48
  the other gender in many ways and ultimately, like fourth wave feminism, it
• 1:40:54
  convinces these men that they need big government solutions in order to solve these very
• 1:40:59
  big problems being created by women. Interestingly, what I was confessed, Well,
• 1:41:02
  what's what's I want to know? Is she going to give an example?
• 1:41:05
  Because the only thing, the only thing. Okay, first of all,
• 1:41:10
  I think this is ridiculous, but the only thing. I that's one
• 1:41:13
  thing I heard that sounded like a big government solution coming from the insell community.
• 1:41:18
  But that's it. Like I think, by and large, men in
• 1:41:23
  the Manisphere know that the government is the problem, like full stop. So
• 1:41:29
  but let's see, maybe she maybe she knows something we don't know. Impairing
• 1:41:32
  these two movements, I found not only these similarities, but I also found
• 1:41:36
  that, just like fourth way feminists, the Manisphere and red pill communities get
• 1:41:41
  a lot of stats wrong. Feminists will tell you there's a gender pay gap
• 1:41:45
  when there's not. They'll tell you we need to believe all women without due
• 1:41:47
  process, and that women never lie about these things. But in the red
• 1:41:51
  pill community they have similar pieces of fiction. They try to make it sound
• 1:41:57
  as if false accusations of sexual are rampant when they're not. They try to
• 1:42:01
  tell men, oh, there's evidence that they are, but let's keep going,
• 1:42:08
  all right, that they shouldn't get married because divorce courts are totally stacked
• 1:42:12
  against them, when, as I pointed out in another episode, nothing could
• 1:42:15
  be further from the truth. That's actually your daughter and divorce absolutely wrong,
• 1:42:19
  Hannah, and I know exactly what you're basing this on. You're talking about
• 1:42:24
  a self selecting group of men who to choose to go through go to get
• 1:42:29
  soul custody, and they're usually up against very unfit women. Okay, no,
• 1:42:34
  you are one hundred percent wrong. This is now, this is dishonest.
• 1:42:40
  Yeah, well, she's got a narrative to protect because she's a centrist.
• 1:42:44
  Remember you know when when radical feminists defend their position like the Manifestel times,
• 1:42:49
  we know where they're coming from, but the real danger comes from the
• 1:42:54
  fence sitters, or suppose it fence sitters that tell you, no, no,
• 1:42:58
  no, I'm not crazy like that person over there, I'm enlightened and
• 1:43:00
  centrist watch this, and then they bring essentially the same arguments and say,
• 1:43:05
  well, look, obviously, because I'm the centrist with the nine bazillion IQ,
• 1:43:11
  you have to agree with me. And yes, I basically I am
• 1:43:14
  saying the same thing that the radical is saying, but I'm saying it in
• 1:43:16
  a different way. So when you say, oh, yeah, these these
• 1:43:19
  are all like red pill bro myths that I'm debunking right now, deboomed when
• 1:43:26
  they're not. Yeah, I mean, I'm just saying, like this is
• 1:43:29
  this changes, I mean, it just exposes what I said, like and
• 1:43:33
  a Cox is not what she claims to be. I wouldn't be surprised if
• 1:43:38
  she worked for the fucking government. Does she get money from the Biden administration?
• 1:43:42
  Because I know a lot of online feminist debaters that get money from like
• 1:43:45
  you know, planned parenthood and shit. So it's the time they have this
• 1:43:51
  whole like eighty twenty myth. I completely debunked last episode where they've got people
• 1:43:57
  convinced that eighty percent of women are only going for the top twenty per sort
• 1:44:00
  of men, so none of them have any should be able to find out.
• 1:44:02
  Just you, like, literally, what did you say about men who
• 1:44:06
  are inferior? Yeah? Didn't you just say, like another video to respond
• 1:44:11
  to you that most men are not measuring up like it? Good lord?
• 1:44:18
  No, I see see, only Hannah is going after the top twenty.
• 1:44:23
  All the lesser women are actually settling because they're inferior. Because they're inferior.
• 1:44:30
  Yeah, point being, both groups have some very serious issues reading and interpreting
• 1:44:35
  data, and as a whole, seem to just make stuff up that's convenient
• 1:44:39
  for their narratives. Two critiques I have for both of these movements that I
• 1:44:43
  think are really important to remember is, first and foremost people are not a
• 1:44:47
  monolith all men, all women, all people of a certain race, all
• 1:44:51
  people of a certain religion. Anybody using that kind of argument is a problem.
• 1:44:57
  People are individuals. They should be treated as individuals. They should be
• 1:45:00
  judged on their actions as individuals. Only demagogues and racists and bigots will have
• 1:45:05
  you believe that a whole population. Oh my god, this is the lowest
• 1:45:12
  bar. I feel like I'm losing IQ points watching this. Oh my god.
• 1:45:15
  Hey, guys, it's bad to generalize. I mean, the laws
• 1:45:23
  don't matter. Don't generalize. Don't generalize. She'll generalize the government though,
• 1:45:28
  right. A bully and a victim are the same. Yeah, exactly exactly,
• 1:45:33
  guys, stop fighting back. What to suspend you both? If we
• 1:45:38
  recognize that men are acted on by women it's exactly the same as defining women
• 1:45:42
  only in terms of being acted upon by men. Like generalizing is bad,
• 1:45:46
  okay. And the second important critique I have that I think is really important
• 1:45:53
  for humans to flourish is for people to understand that they can always have agency.
• 1:46:00
  You cannot control your circumstances, but you can hear them. You can
• 1:46:03
  decide your mentality around them. Especially is this like, what's the what's the
• 1:46:09
  average age of are they? Like? N you know what I mean?
• 1:46:14
  Like, Okay, so she's making this false equivalence. She's saying that,
• 1:46:24
  and you know what I I I would say that the red pill community as
• 1:46:30
  a distinct from people who advocate for men's issues, like, there's a distinction
• 1:46:33
  there. They they would say that we're contemptible in many cases, I mean,
• 1:46:40
  honestly, they don't want us in their community. Yeah, I know,
• 1:46:43
  I know. They would say, Oh, it's just a shit test.
• 1:46:45
  Why are you being a pussy? Look at all the ass I get
• 1:46:46
  by my book. The other thing is that this is sort of sneaky because
• 1:46:50
  a lot of people, a lot of men in the red pill community would
• 1:46:55
  say that we men's issues advocates create are victimizing men, right, because we're
• 1:47:02
  making men think that they're victims. Not the situation where they go to court
• 1:47:08
  and they lose money, they go and they lose their children, they become
• 1:47:14
  victimized by female aggressors and they have no services. Not those situations. It's
• 1:47:19
  us pointing out that those situations are bad that makes them think of themselves as
• 1:47:24
  victims. And I guess that's right, because we're saying that you are not
• 1:47:30
  responsible for these other people's behavior and that behavior is wrong. Therefore you are
• 1:47:36
  indeed a victim of that behavior. Right. So we're not allowed to do
• 1:47:42
  that because men should be taking responsibility in all circumstances, and which falls out
• 1:47:48
  to endure everything from everybody without complaint and always try to make everything better for
• 1:47:58
  them, which is pathological. Okay. So there's a big difference between defining
• 1:48:08
  women as solely expressions of men's actions and recognizing the common sense situation that women
• 1:48:15
  are also have effects on men and that they should take responsibility for those effects.
• 1:48:24
  Yeah, and not just when they are women who are doing who are
• 1:48:28
  challenging your particular decision about how you want to structure your life and how you
• 1:48:33
  get resources out of men. Hannah but when they are violating the principles necessary
• 1:48:40
  for keeping our society in operation, shall we say right now, the fact
• 1:48:46
  that she's putting both of these like, I don't even think she's talking about
• 1:48:50
  again, I don't think she's talking about red pill Bros. Because they would
• 1:48:53
  say that we I think she's talking about us. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:48:59
  I think so trying to do. What she's trying to do is she's trying
• 1:49:03
  to shame red pill bros. By lumping them in with men's issues advocates,
• 1:49:10
  who, incidentally, I hate to say it, but they are some of
• 1:49:14
  the most active people I've ever men I've ever seen in dealing with these issues.
• 1:49:20
  Like they yes, yes, they recognize that these issues are a problem,
• 1:49:24
  but they're doing something about it. I mean, look at Justin Trottier,
• 1:49:28
  Like he's single handedly building men's men's services in Canada, and he's doing
• 1:49:34
  it without government assistance, Hannah. He's doing it entirely through networking with with
• 1:49:41
  private donors and people who are who are concerned about how the things that men
• 1:49:45
  face. These are men standing up and fixing their own problems, recognizing and
• 1:49:51
  fixing their own problems. Whereas I think that the tendency in the red pill
• 1:49:58
  community is more to know these problems don't exist, and if you identify them,
• 1:50:04
  then you are a self victimizing cuck. No, not always, but
• 1:50:11
  I think that there is a slight tendency in there. A mag tell they're
• 1:50:15
  fixing their own problems. They're fixing their own problems in the way that they
• 1:50:18
  want and pick up artists. They want to have women, and they are
• 1:50:25
  trying to develop the skills to get what they want. Yeah. I mean,
• 1:50:29
  you literally don't have an argument against any no, no, that you
• 1:50:33
  recognizing problems men face is the first step to fixing them. Okay. The
• 1:50:40
  problem that you have is that you exist within a framework that you refuse to
• 1:50:45
  examine, and that framework is that you probably predominantly see yourself as being acted
• 1:50:50
  upon as a woman as an expression of men's actions. But you know what,
• 1:50:59
  Father time is the man that acts upon you most, Hannah Cox.
• 1:51:02
  So maybe in like twenty years you'll you'll clue into all of this. All
• 1:51:06
  right, all right, should we keep going? It looks like she's doing
• 1:51:12
  a topic shift, So yeah, yeah, I sense the topic shift is
• 1:51:16
  about to occur. So let's let's call it. Let's I'm I'm, I'm
• 1:51:23
  I feel good. I feel like this is Yeah, I mean this turned
• 1:51:27
  out exactly like I expected. So, yes, I was hoping for a
• 1:51:30
  plot twist, but I knew that I didn't invest too much of my soul
• 1:51:35
  into No, there's no point into that plat twist. The plot tist plot
• 1:51:42
  twist would be Hannah saying, hey, you know, yeah, we should
• 1:51:45
  probably address these things I was. I think I was wrong. I am
• 1:51:48
  not going to call myself a feminist anymore because I don't think that it means
• 1:51:53
  women. Mm hmm. Yeah, No, she's caping for feminism. She
• 1:52:00
  has made an equivalence that doesn't exist. Yeah, God like our woman.
• 1:52:08
  I'm sorry, it's fuck. I love that. Yeah is the best.
• 1:52:12
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• 1:52:44
  we don't. So I'm just I'm sorry Brian that I is really bugging
• 1:52:48
  me. I'm like, what the hell happened to you? It looks uh
• 1:52:53
  I think she was like covering up something like maybe she had a blister or
• 1:52:58
  a mosquito bit her there and she's like trying to big for a mosquito.
• 1:53:01
  It looks like she took an arrow or or there's like a little like you
• 1:53:05
  know, a cluster of spider eggs that are going to be bursting out anymore.
• 1:53:13
  It's just a stress, little clear spiders, like little larva, like
• 1:53:17
  a shiner. Yeah. No, she's part of an underground fight ring.
• 1:53:23
  Yeah right, we can have like some we could start developing some floor about
• 1:53:28
  her. She could she could do that and then like make a channel where
• 1:53:31
  it just shows her fights and call it Hannah a box like yeah. Oh,
• 1:53:38
  Nova fans sent a rumble rant. Let me get that really quick.
• 1:53:41
  Okay, sorry, Nova fan, I didn't realize. Just to make sure
• 1:53:44
  I didn't miss any uh. Nova Fan twenty one gives a dollar and says,
• 1:53:46
  does she think all of second wave feminism was united? Or did the
• 1:53:50
  Lavender Menace never exist? Well, she's just look, dude, this is
• 1:53:56
  just midwintery ed. It's fine. I don't think there's a lot. She's
• 1:53:59
  just repeating like super basic talking pots. Do's not Yeah, I don't think
• 1:54:04
  those books actually have anything in them. Maybe like there's hiding candy bars in
• 1:54:11
  various like a chisel and a hammer for breaking out a prison. That's it.
• 1:54:15
  Like, I don't think that she's I think you're giving her a lot
• 1:54:17
  of credit. It's all I'm saying. Honestly. I think that my takeaway
• 1:54:23
  is that only babush goes should be should be voting of women anyway, if
• 1:54:30
  you only only if you've had like fifteen children in run a farm, should
• 1:54:33
  you have a vote? Yeah? Okay, all right anyway, so no,
• 1:54:40
  thank yous. Okay, I can double check again, but it doesn't
• 1:54:44
  look like it. All right, No, it's okay. I just want
• 1:54:45
  to know before pretty early in the month. Yeah, fair enough, we
• 1:54:49
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• 1:55:25
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• 1:55:30
  like pulls the mask off and it's like rollo tamasi or or she basically says,
• 1:55:34
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• 1:55:40
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• 1:55:43
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• 1:55:54
  And okay, okay, I got it, I got it all right.
• 1:55:59
  So she's basically equating the accelerator in a car with the brake, so the
• 1:56:05
  gas pedal with the brake, and basically the feminist fourth wave feminist. Well,
• 1:56:12
  I would say all wave feminists are are hitting that accelerator, and then
• 1:56:15
  these supposedly red pill bros are hitting the brake and saying, hey, we
• 1:56:19
  need this, and she's saying, why why are you? That's a response,
• 1:56:23
  bro, I don't like the way you're hitting the brakes. Yeah,
• 1:56:26
  why are you? Why are you? You're responding to them putting the gas
• 1:56:30
  on, putting the accelerator down, putting the hammer down. Is that's a
• 1:56:34
  response, bro, That's exactly the same as hitting the accelerator because you're you're
• 1:56:40
  pushing on a lever. I'm just saying, so that's that. Did you
• 1:56:45
  just grab a fly? No? That was an emoji that was floating past
• 1:56:48
  my face and I tried to catch it. Okay, I think I did.
• 1:56:55
  It disappeared right after, but hopefully it does doesn't come out the other
• 1:56:59
  end hitting the gas with hitting the brake, Like, how are you supposed
• 1:57:03
  to hit the brake if you don't acknowledge that women are engaging in something stupid
• 1:57:09
  since they're the primary driver of feminism, Like how do you if you say
• 1:57:12
  Anna, if you say fourth wave feminism is doing something wrong, and then
• 1:57:15
  men are like fourth wave feminism is doing something wrong. We need to hit
• 1:57:18
  the brake, and then you say, well, don't do that. That's
• 1:57:20
  exactly the same, like, no, it isn't mm hmm. Okay,
• 1:57:26
  a reaction to the problem isn't also the problem? Okay, yes, exactly,
• 1:57:33
  all right, to stop the problem isn't also the problem? Okay,
• 1:57:38
  go ahead, all right, Well anyway, yeah, so please please please,
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