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The Future is Now! · Movie Meltdown

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  Speaker 1: Hi, this is Doug Jones from the Oscar-winning movie The
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  Speaker 1: Shape of Water.
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  Speaker 2: But right now, you're listening to Movie Meltdown.
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  Speaker 3: The following feature has been rated R by the Motion
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  Speaker 3: Picture Association of America. It is intended for mature audiences
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  Speaker 3: and parental discretion is advised. It's showtime, folks. Enjoy the show.
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  Speaker 4: Our nuclear reactor pumping out one million.
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  Speaker 3: Kilowatts of power.
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  Speaker 5: Provide more cooling in the containment chamber.
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  Speaker 6: To your citizens, we have a rebound.
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  Speaker 2: The future is now!
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  Speaker 7: Who else? There's other people. Oh, the guy that was
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  Speaker 7: in Narcos.
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  Speaker 6: Pedro Pascal.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: See we started having this conversation a long time ago
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  Speaker 1: when you remember when we had to watch king.
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  Speaker 5: Arthur oh god yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And i kept going how did this guy get this
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  Speaker 1: job and.
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  Speaker 5: He i don't know but speaking of pedro pascal and
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  Speaker 5: uh charlie hoonan hoonan hoonan we watched a great uh
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  Speaker 5: netflix film it was fun it wasn't.
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  Speaker 2: Like third frontier.
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  Speaker 1: Frontier is that the one with shooting people Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You're shooting people.
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  Speaker 1: I saw the trailer. You're shooting people.
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  Speaker 7: It looked fun.
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  Speaker 5: And it was unexpectedly good. I didn't think it was
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  Speaker 5: going to be that great. And Paul put it on
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  Speaker 5: and then I was like, what's this?
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  Speaker 1: I like shooting people.
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  Speaker 2: It even has Ben Affleck in it.
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  Speaker 9: Oh.
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  Speaker 5: And it still survives the test.
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  Speaker 2: I don't fall in that camp.
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  Speaker 1: I never had a problem with Ben Affleck. I think
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  Speaker 1: he's been in some lesser films over the years, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with him. He seems all right.
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  Speaker 8: I mean.
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  Speaker 1: He has some personal issues, but I wish him the best.
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  Speaker 1: I hope he gets over those.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: He got a new jaw and a new chin. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: and it made him very unlikable.
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  Speaker 1: He had to be Batman, damn it. You got to
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  Speaker 1: get a new jaw when you're Batman.
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  Speaker 5: The Batman jaw. You got a Batman jaw.
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  Speaker 1: You invest in the Batman.
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  Speaker 5: You have a Batman jaw.
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  Speaker 3: I do.
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  Speaker 1: I think the suit's open. I mean, jump on that, man.
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  Speaker 5: In it, on it.
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  Speaker 2: Come with me, Robin. We're going down the Robin road.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, so we watched Time Machine the other night.
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  Speaker 7: Uh-oh.
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  Speaker 1: See, first off, you should probably introduce yourselves.
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  Speaker 7: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Hey, I'm Gina.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm Paul.
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  Speaker 5: And we're married.
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  Speaker 2: That's not our fault.
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  Speaker 10: Is that a thing?
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  Speaker 1: I tried to warn one or both of you beforehand.
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  Speaker 5: So we do this show with Brian sometimes.
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  Speaker 1: It's called Maroon Meltdown.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, he does the show. We just talk on it. Obviously,
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  Speaker 5: it's his show.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes at the beginning we say, what's up and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Movie Meltdown. I'm Brian.
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  Speaker 5: Just like that.
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  Speaker 1: He's so good at that. And we're coming to you
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  Speaker 1: live from Blue Jay Way, obviously, because you heard the
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  Speaker 1: rambling before we even said hello. So you know where
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  Speaker 1: we are.
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  Speaker 5: We do that, don't we?
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  Speaker 2: There's lots of rambling.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So anyway, back to my rambling. So we watched The
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  Speaker 5: Time Machine. As we all know, I have an obsession
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  Speaker 5: with the book, but not so much the movie. But
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  Speaker 5: I said the only thing it was really missing was
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  Speaker 5: Kevin Costner.
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  Speaker 1: Which movie? the one with the tubby blue guys the
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  Speaker 1: the remake or the most recent one the most recent
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  Speaker 1: that i just brought see this is what i was
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  Speaker 1: gonna say anyway without you even.
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  Speaker 5: Starting to become full circle to yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Because i've brought up continuations of your recent episodes in
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  Speaker 1: two very recent episodes um number one just last week's
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  Speaker 1: episode we discussed um we were had we were talking
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  Speaker 1: about art And the person I was talking with has
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  Speaker 1: done tons of conventions and then had some not so
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  Speaker 1: great things to say about conventions. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a continuation of our recent.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So we.
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  Speaker 5: I missed it. Would you give me the quick recap
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  Speaker 5: of what they said?
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  Speaker 1: Conventions are awesome and Gina doesn't know what she's talking
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  Speaker 1: about they mentioned you by name it was really weird
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  Speaker 1: but the no no but the other one was and
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure you can go listen to that one if
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  Speaker 1: you really want to hear people out there I do
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  Speaker 1: but um people should the other one was we just
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  Speaker 1: talked to Doug Jones And before we got started on
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  Speaker 1: our film, I was like, oh, and by the way,
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  Speaker 1: looking at your list of many, many things you've been in,
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  Speaker 1: he's a Morlock.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. Like a recent Morlock in the new one?
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  Speaker 5: New in terms of new.
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  Speaker 1: New, again, for kids out there, this is an old movie.
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  Speaker 1: But new as in, what's his face? Who's the lead guy?
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  Speaker 5: I can't think of the guy. I just confuse him
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  Speaker 5: as the guy.
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  Speaker 1: Why am I asking you? He's Guy Pearce. Guy Pearce.
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  Speaker 1: There we go.
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  Speaker 5: The guy that eats other people or was in Memento?
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  Speaker 1: I think he's both of those, actually. He is. Both
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  Speaker 1: of those.
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  Speaker 7: Oh.
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  Speaker 1: But, yeah, in that Guy Pearce version, he is one
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  Speaker 1: of the, like, scout Morlocks.
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  Speaker 7: Actually.
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  Speaker 1: He's a spy.
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  Speaker 5: We watched the credits and we laughed because there was, like,
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  Speaker 5: head Morlock, spy Morlock.
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  Speaker 2: Spy Morlock.
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  Speaker 5: Tough guy Morlock.
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  Speaker 1: He's not the fighter attack Morlock.
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  Speaker 2: And there were, like, five of each.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He was one of those five.
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  Speaker 2: Head Morlock.
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  Speaker 5: Well, that's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: So I did, because you weren't there, I asked in
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  Speaker 1: your place, I'm like, what does it take? How do
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  Speaker 1: you get in the headspace of a Morlock? So, it
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  Speaker 1: actually will lead into one of our upcoming themes.
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  Speaker 2: Cannibalism.
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  Speaker 5: Crossfit?
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  Speaker 3: No, none of those?
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  Speaker 10: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: I imagine being a Morlock, you had to be like,
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  Speaker 5: you're getting ready to do your 20 minute, like, AMRAP.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: No?
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  Speaker 8: Maybe?
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  Speaker 2: But it also involves, like, you know, chewing on someone's
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  Speaker 2: severed leg.
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  Speaker 5: And double unders.
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  Speaker 1: They were asking for it. Double unders.
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  Speaker 2: Stupid.
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  Speaker 1: What are those people called? Unas? Eloys?
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  Speaker 2: Minis?
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  Speaker 6: Skippies?
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  Speaker 5: Don't hate the Eloy.
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  Speaker 1: I can dislike him if I want. So, the way
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  Speaker 1: that I was going to come back to that eventually,
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  Speaker 1: I already had it, you know, as one of our
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  Speaker 1: topics anyway, was coming back to the time machine, was
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  Speaker 1: that We get to a bigger idea that's going on. Specifically,
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  Speaker 1: there's a different one in this newer Time Machine versus
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  Speaker 1: the Tubby Blue Guys version. As Doug put it, the
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  Speaker 1: Tubby Blue Guys. So they kind of came up with
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  Speaker 1: a different aspect to it. So we can get to
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  Speaker 1: it later, I suppose. But to get into it, I
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  Speaker 1: think we were going to address, because you brought up
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  Speaker 1: recent science fiction... It's come up on TV and lots
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  Speaker 1: of other places. Actually, it's not even TV anymore. It's
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  Speaker 1: just streaming. It's series. It's whatever those are. That's why
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  Speaker 1: I don't even know how to get into them anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Mini movies. Or broken up gigantic movies. That's the way.
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  Speaker 1: Both apply.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I think that what Paul and I had
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  Speaker 5: initially talked about, like we were on a car ride
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  Speaker 5: or somewhere, and we were like, man, science fiction has
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  Speaker 5: completely changed. It used to be this one thing, and
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  Speaker 5: it started off as like, In the future, right, it
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  Speaker 5: was like Epcot, like all this great stuff would happen.
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  Speaker 5: Then it got a little more twisted or a little
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  Speaker 5: more like maybe there's a dark side. Now it's all dystopian,
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  Speaker 5: all the dark side, all the worst things about humanity.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, don't even think about what else is
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  Speaker 5: out there. I mean, who knows what the aliens want?
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  Speaker 5: We're going to just do ourselves in. So it's weird
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  Speaker 5: that it's become this incredibly deep, dark.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that that has changed, actually, because if
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  Speaker 2: you think about it, Like Ray Bradbury. Sorry, allergies, it's April.
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  Speaker 2: In the Ohio Valley. Like Ray Bradbury and H.G. Wells.
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  Speaker 2: There's always a dystopian element, like the dark side of
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  Speaker 2: humanity and how we.
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  Speaker 2: Exchange with that or or or counteract that is that's
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  Speaker 2: don't destroy things yeah i mean that is the axle
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  Speaker 2: of the story right i mean it's all run on
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  Speaker 2: that premise.
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  Speaker 5: Generally i mean maybe i'm wrong and felt like there
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  Speaker 5: was more hope in some of those things like usually
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  Speaker 5: there was.
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  Speaker 1: A better future depends which ones yeah there are some
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  Speaker 1: pretty grim and and i was gonna go just into
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  Speaker 1: like the intro there because you brought up the writers
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  Speaker 1: i mean that's We're going to eventually be discussing more
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  Speaker 1: film and TV series and different stuff. But if we're
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  Speaker 1: going with the birthplace of sci-fi, it is H.G. Wells.
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  Speaker 1: It's Jules Verne. Even going into Mary Shelley inspired all
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  Speaker 1: these things. Poe was writing stuff that was kind of sci-fi.
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  Speaker 1: So you're getting these really early versions of writers doing it.
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  Speaker 2: Now, the only real.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to even officially call it research. The
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  Speaker 1: only real-world fact I came up with because... After those
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  Speaker 1: writers got a hold of it, you get into this
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  Speaker 1: early part of this, well, previous century.
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  Speaker 6: I forget.
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  Speaker 1: We're old people now. The early part of the 1900s there,
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  Speaker 1: we start getting the writers doing it, and then it
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  Speaker 1: breaks up into the pulp version and the magazines that
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  Speaker 1: came after. out of it yeah so this was just
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  Speaker 1: a weird fact and i wanted to see what your
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  Speaker 1: take on the end of this is in uh 1957
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  Speaker 1: there were 23 major science fiction magazines circulating just in
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  Speaker 1: the u.s 23 23 23 now i believe that By
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  Speaker 1: the end of 1960, only six remained. You know what
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  Speaker 1: the difference is? The end of 1957, Sputnik. So, that
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  Speaker 1: was going to be my question before we delve into
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  Speaker 1: the fictional versions. How much do you think the real
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  Speaker 1: world changed science fiction? Because all the way up to
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  Speaker 1: that point, it was nothing but fantasy. It was completely
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  Speaker 1: made up dreams of us staring at the stars. By
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  Speaker 1: the time another country launches a satellite... And starts killing dogs.
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  Speaker 1: It's another sad little road I went down as I
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  Speaker 1: read into this.
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  Speaker 5: That's terrible.
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  Speaker 1: Sputnik 2.
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  Speaker 2: Screw you guys. We killed monkeys. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not saying we're any better.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: But before we start launching them into space, just that
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  Speaker 1: first satellite going up suddenly makes it real in a way.
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  Speaker 2: So did you follow that with 1970? Any statistics from
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  Speaker 2: 1970 after the moon landing? That may or may not
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  Speaker 2: have happened.
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  Speaker 5: It could be its own piece of science fiction.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's a sidebar on that anyway, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because it's already going to have... I mean, by then
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  Speaker 1: we've taken so much real world that it sort of
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  Speaker 1: fuels the imagination of all those kids. But at the
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  Speaker 1: same time, are they more interested in the legitimate real
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  Speaker 1: world astronauts and not so much in the science fiction fantasy? Well,
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe it was just a transition from pulp to film.
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  Speaker 1: But, like, back when we, just like last year, we
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  Speaker 1: talked with Rick Stern back, and, like, he's a kid who, like,
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  Speaker 1: grew up, like, obsessed with NASA, like, was going to, like,
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  Speaker 1: the launches, the actual stuff that, you know, he was
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  Speaker 1: so invested in the real world version of what was
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  Speaker 1: going on in our half of the space race, and then, like,
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  Speaker 1: went on to do, like, realistic... illustrations and then work
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  Speaker 1: for like star trek and like so i mean he
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  Speaker 1: like took it from that real world version of being
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  Speaker 1: obsessed with nasa into working in the the fantasy and
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  Speaker 1: the fictionalized version of all these different things i mean
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  Speaker 1: i think that was probably a lot of kids and
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  Speaker 1: definitely coming into the industry side of it i think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of kids like that's that's what fueled them
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  Speaker 1: to end up going into if they weren't going to
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  Speaker 1: be an actual astronaut How about if I work in,
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  Speaker 1: you know, movies or TV and find a way to
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  Speaker 1: do this like thick version of what I'm so obsessed with?
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  Speaker 1: So I think it was a little of all of that.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, think about like 60s sci-fi film was still
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  Speaker 2: in the realm of heavy fantasy camp, right? Most of it.
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  Speaker 1: Again, I don't even think they realized it. It seems
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  Speaker 1: can't be here now.
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  Speaker 2: But it was not based in many factual elements.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't hard science fiction as now we.
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  Speaker 1: Geeks like to nitpick.
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  Speaker 2: The next decade, you get Kubrick doing 2001.
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was in the 60s.
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  Speaker 1: That was the late 60s.
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  Speaker 2: 69, and then the second one came out in the 70s.
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  Speaker 5: I would consider Kubrick 60s.
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  Speaker 2: And then you got Saturn V and Star Wars, which
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  Speaker 2: is not really hard science.
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  Speaker 1: But I think Kubrick is the dividing line. Kubrick is
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  Speaker 1: the point where it becomes as realistic as it's going
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  Speaker 1: to get. Some of that is like the special effects thing.
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  Speaker 1: Caught up to that level.
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  Speaker 5: But didn't the Russians even beat us with Solaris?
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  Speaker 1: Probably. That's 70s, isn't it?
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  Speaker 5: I thought that was late 60s.
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  Speaker 1: Who the Googles?
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  Speaker 5: I think the Russian beat us to space in movies.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, Siri, what year did Solaris come out?
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  Speaker 5: Alexis. Which Solaris?
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  Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. 72, and then there was
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  Speaker 2: a remake in 2002.
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  Speaker 1: With the Clooney.
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  Speaker 5: With the Clooney.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was before that.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 7: Okay.
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  Speaker 5: What about T- Or is it Solaris? I don't know. T-H-T-R-X-T-H-X.
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  Speaker 1: That's American.
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  Speaker 5: That's American.
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  Speaker 1: That came straight out of California.
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  Speaker 5: And that was like, what, 70- What?
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  Speaker 2: 75?
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  Speaker 1: 76?
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  Speaker 5: No, it had to be before that, because Star Wars came.
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  Speaker 1: Out in 76. And there's American Graffiti, so it's before that,
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  Speaker 1: so it's early 70s.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was preceded Star Wars.
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  Speaker 1: It's T-H-X- American Graffiti, Star Wars. Yeah. Because a lot
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: of people for years said he made two really good movies.
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  Speaker 1: They usually didn't throw THX in there because it's artsy
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  Speaker 1: and it confuses people. But American Graffiti is pretty solid
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  Speaker 1: and Star Wars.
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  Speaker 2: I guess my point is the 70s, even before Star Wars,
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  Speaker 2: there was a renewal in sci-fi films. a lot of
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  Speaker 2: people were doing it, not just in the United States,
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  Speaker 2: but internationally. I mean, the Italians were making weird shit.
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  Speaker 5: Well, they made weird movies all the time. Like, Fellini
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  Speaker 5: should have made a space film. Why did he never make.
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  Speaker 2: A space film?
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  Speaker 1: How far did you delve into Fellini? It might be there.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe everything Fellini made was really in outer space.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe it just takes place on another planet.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah, I don't know.
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  Speaker 5: You know, that's funny that we're talking about science fiction,
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  Speaker 5: because I don't think any of us are huge.
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  Speaker 5: Sci-fi fans yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a pretty big sci-fi fan i am really i'm
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  Speaker 1: just picky about it yeah i don't know how deep
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  Speaker 1: my stuff goes well that's what i'm saying.
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  Speaker 5: I've got a lot of i mean i'm a fan
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  Speaker 5: but i'm not like deeply deeply entrenched in it like
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  Speaker 5: i am in like weird i'm.
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  Speaker 1: Not yeah i'm not nitpicky arguing geek yeah so i
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  Speaker 1: have other than my normal movie.
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  Speaker 5: Feelings like i have any sense of authority in talking
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  Speaker 5: about this but it's a fun thing to Well.
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  Speaker 1: I think it applies to so many people because it
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  Speaker 1: became such a huge industry by the time, even by,
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  Speaker 1: you know, the 60s, it's already on primetime TV. You're
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  Speaker 1: pulling in like Star Trek and by then Lost in
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  Speaker 1: Space also kind of. I just found out the story
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  Speaker 1: that they brought Roddenberry in and was like at the
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  Speaker 1: other network and was like, yes, tell us all about you.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know how to do, you know, how would
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  Speaker 1: you fund this? science fiction you know weekly on TV
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  Speaker 1: how would you you know get past all these problems
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: and then they passed on it and did Lost in
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: Space so they basically just kind of used him for
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: ideas and then went okay screw your idea you're out
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: of here we're gonna do.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: Ours wow that's interesting.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Which I was as a kid I was a sucker
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: for Lost in Space but it's very different than because
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: there's almost no bigger stuff going on in Lost in
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: Space yeah it's and it's time as They go on,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: they get sillier and sillier. And so, like, I liked
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: it for the spectacle and the sets and the costumes
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: and the general idea of these crazy planets and or
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: the same planet that they seem like they sat.
• 17:11
  Speaker 10: On every week.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, as you get into the other network doing
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: Star Trek, Star Trek asks much bigger questions that I think,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: you know, leads more towards the kind of stuff that
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: we end up questioning as we go on. There's a
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: lot bigger, like, they had... very specific, like, analogies they
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: were making or themes that they were trying to address
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: while still doing on the page a generic sci-fi story,
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: but it was way more than that sometimes.
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: And probably also, you know, headed toward the dystopian element
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: in every single one of them.
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: In Star Trek? You think so?
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: Well, that's what they were fighting against.
• 17:55
  Speaker 5: Well, yeah.
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: The negative elements of space society but like if i
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: can bring up like twilight zone right the early twilight.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Zone again even predating star trek right all of those
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: um all of the episodes you know they're it's a
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: parable of some sort most most of the time i
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: think there were the one-offs that were just.
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: Kind of weird.
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: Rod had no problem being heavy handed about it, but
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: he was also really smart and like actually had a
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: good point to make. So it's like, he didn't have
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a problem with, yes, obviously I'm trying to, you know,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: say something with this, but when it's that well done,
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: you don't mind so much. Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I think that is a constant theme. It's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: like with the future comes the, The potential for great
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: misery that we create.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: But that's the thing. So science fiction has gone from
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: science fiction to horror, right? It's crossed this line where
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: it's the darkest.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: I think it always has that potential, though. And again,
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: even real world. You make one wrong move, even as
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: a NASA astronaut, you're dead. Your entire crew is dead. Yeah.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: it's always got that element to it, but I think
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: certain like filmmakers and TV shows can kind of bank
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: on that a little extra. Yeah. If they want to.
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: I guess I sound like I'm totally naive, but you know,
• 19:25
  Speaker 5: it's just like one of those things where I feel
• 19:26
  Speaker 5: like I watch it all the time. I mean, I
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: don't know. I don't know what I expect. I don't
• 19:29
  Speaker 5: know if I expected science fiction to have turned into
• 19:32
  Speaker 5: like a C-span where it's just like that scene in
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: Star Wars where it's the, uh, the intergalactic Congress or whatever.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: And it's like, I mean, the great, Planet of so-and-so.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: We've got three movies of that if you want to
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: watch those.
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: But you know what I'm saying? like really what would
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: i expect it to turn into that that is where
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: you're watching.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: The running theme of that prequel trilogy is watching space.
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: Congress yeah yeah i mean it's like maybe.
• 20:00
  Speaker 5: That's what i just thought it all should all become
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: i don't know.
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: I don't want that there's there's future utopia right um
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: But nobody's making.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, who's going to make a... Nobody's making those.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: And there's no story to tell there, really.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Well, that's my point.
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Like, good science fiction.
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: Everything's awesome and everybody has good books.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: So let's read them.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: All good science fiction is based on a foundation of
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: a human story that we are living today.
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: Okay, so why is it that I can... And here
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: we go. This is me being naive again. Why is
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: it that I can watch the older things and the
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: older Twilight Zones and those kinds of things and be like, God,
• 20:37
  Speaker 5: that's awesome. That was such a great twist. That was
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: a great story. It still talks about human nature. And yet,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: like new things, like I cannot watch Black Mirror.
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 20:46
  Speaker 5: I'll put it out there. I hate that show. Why?
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: Because it's so grim?
• 20:50
  Speaker 5: Phenomenal.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: Because it's grim.
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: But it is so grim.
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's far more... They don't pull any punches.
• 20:58
  Speaker 10: Yeah.
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: At all. How have we gotten to that point where
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: there's not even a glimmer of hope? There's not even a.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: We also, like... we were living in a totally different
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: time when you couldn't have gotten away with, certainly most
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: of the plot lines, you couldn't get away with what
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: little I've seen of Black Mirror. But even then, like,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I don't even think that tone would, when it's like,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: Calgon brings you science fiction. They would never be in
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Like, they're not going to put up with that.
• 21:24
  Speaker 5: They're like, this bath is not going to help that
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: prime minister.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: Now we don't even have to worry. We don't have
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: to worry about, you know, advertising money coming in anymore
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: because they're on their own, independent networks and the people
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: are funding that. So now they can do whatever they want.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: They're allowed to be depressing and clinical and how far
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: they need to go.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying it's not a great show and it's
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: well done, but it's the like science fiction equivalent of saw.
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: Like, right.
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: You know, like, or what was the other one? Maybe
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: it was one of the early sauce and they like
• 21:56
  Speaker 5: show a guy eating his own leg and it looks
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: like a piece of chicken. Was that saw, you know
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: what I'm talking about? And you're like, it's so clinical that,
• 22:03
  Speaker 5: That it's not gross. It's just disturbing. Mm-hmm.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: You know?
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: And, like, that's it. It's, like, it's just disturbing. It
• 22:10
  Speaker 5: makes me feel even more alienated.
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 22:13
  Speaker 5: And that's the thing. Like, it's so alienating and bleak.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: It's just bleak.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Very visually disturbing.
• 22:20
  Speaker 7: It's, like.
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: I think the older stuff was more psychologically... Well, I
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: think it's.
• 22:24
  Speaker 5: Still psychologically disturbing. I think it's very psychologically disturbing. But it's, like...
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: As depressing as Dickens could be, that feels hopeful. You know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: like if you think about writers, like Dickens went on
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: and on. It was boring and horrible and depressing.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Ooh, sci-fi Dickens.
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Trying to figure out how to shove Dickens into space.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: Well, just write in Bigfoot as an alien.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: In a top hat.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: You're saying... In Victorian England.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: Steampunk Bigfoot.
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Bigfoot is Chewbacca, let's be real.
• 22:56
  Speaker 10: But yeah, I.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: I think we're saying the same thing. I think it's,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: it is, um, they're allowed to explore the dark side
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: really deeply now versus, you know, having it be a, um, um, uh,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: evenly weighted.
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: Um, yeah.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: In those older shows, you know, you have like, you
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: have way more character development. Um, even though you're given
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a brief amount of time, you, you, They're so smart
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: about how they write it because they have such a
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: brief time.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: Now or then.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: That you cared about, you know, Burgess Meredith, you know.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: But he broke his glasses. He broke his glasses. Breaking
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: his glasses.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: Or.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Why didn't he just get his contacts out?
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: Or William Shatner when he's at the.
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: He gets stuck in the.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: A little diner.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: The diner.
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: The diner with the fortune telling thing on the table.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Like you care. And then you're like, oh, that's so, why?
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Why did he do that? Yeah. Why?
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I don't, you know, or is that like just a
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: sign that we've all gotten older?
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: Because when you're a kid, it's easier to watch like gory,
• 24:09
  Speaker 5: horrible things, I've noticed. Or you didn't cry in movies.
• 24:13
  Speaker 5: And now I'm like, ha ha.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: I had a hard time watching gore when I was
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: a kid.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: I never did.
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: But now I can.
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: Now I'm like, ooh, oh, that would hurt.
• 24:23
  Speaker 7: Ooh.
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that bothered me when I was a kid.
• 24:25
  Speaker 5: It didn't bother me.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: Gore doesn't bother me as much. I am way sappier
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: at this point. I am definitely sappier. So there are
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: ones that I'm just like, I don't know, it just
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: hits in a weird way that maybe I didn't even
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: stop and think about. So again, that may come with time.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: That may be why you bring a lot more to
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: the table the older you get.
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: Right. When you put these things into perspective, you're seeing
• 24:44
  Speaker 5: it as a bigger picture of what you've experienced so far.
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: And maybe if you had seen the same things, like
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: if you saw the old... Twilight Zones, if we had
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: been the same age, maybe they would have tugged at
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: a particular something.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: I cry at commercials.
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: I know, and I never did. And it's like, I
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: saw Forrest Gump, and I remember the guy I went
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: to see with in college. Yes, I'm dating myself. That's
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: how old I am. He cried, and he was the
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: sweetest dude. And I was like... what is wrong with you?
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: And I was like, horrible human.
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Might be legit at Forrest Gump.
• 25:20
  Speaker 5: But now, I didn't cry.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, please.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: But now I watch Forrest Gump and I'm like, okay.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I think as time's gone on, more people have, I
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: don't know.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: Softened? No, it doesn't hold the esteem it kind of
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: did at the time.
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: I still think it's awesome.
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched it in a long time. I think
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I was way more invested in the technical stuff that
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: Zemeckis was doing And he's gotten more and more clinical
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: as he's gotten older. I feel like his early stuff
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: does have tons of character development, enough that you actually
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: care about these people. And as time goes on, I
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: don't feel... I haven't even seen.
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: A lot of the recent ones.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I don't really know any of the recent stuff.
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: He's finally gotten away from doing nothing but CG characters,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: but even then, he's doing really weird detached characters that,
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know, at traumatic levels of... they've been physically
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: abused or they're alcoholics. They're like, there's all these other
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: weird things being factored in, but it almost still feels
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: like he's detached from the characters. So I don't know that,
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: that he did do science, science fiction. He started in science.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: I thought he started.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: He did back to the future for God's sakes. Greatest
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: science fiction.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: Gremlins.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Gremlins.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: That wasn't Zemeckis.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: That's Joe Dante. Oh yeah. Both Spielberg produced it.
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: If that helps. Yeah.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: It does.
• 26:45
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's weird. Maybe science fiction doesn't change, but we do.
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: In the future.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Well, you get to, like, the bigger questions, though. Because
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: I think even, like, they were definitely asking, like, really
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: big questions with Twilight Zone. And even, like, Star Trek,
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: when you get to the, like, again, not the most
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: subtle version, but, like, them, like... well, I'm not like
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: this alien creature because he's black on the right side
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: and white on the left. And you have those moments
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: of like, that's stupid. There's those moments when it asks
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: that kind of bigger, huge questions. So there was one,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: and I don't know, I was trying to come up
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: with anything, and actually this ended up being a movie.
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: I was thinking of other TV series that were doing
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And I thought of one, and
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I haven't, what little there is about it, when I
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: went back to look up something about it, I don't know.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I assumed even at the time it was probably meant
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to be an anthology series and like it probably just
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: didn't get the backing and they just took the ones
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: they had and crammed them into a movie. But are
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: you familiar with Cosmic Slop?
• 27:50
  Speaker 9: No.
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: Paul, I thought you might know the album. It is,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it originally, the title comes from a Funkadelic album. But
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: it was a 94- movie made for HBO that was
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: a like anthology trilogy more or less of three weird
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sci-fi sort of stories I only remember and that's the
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: thing I remember watching it at the time and I
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: only remember the first one and I like was so
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: interested in it I did go back and rewatch it
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: I found it's like everything loitering on YouTube somewhere and
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: um because the rest took a George Clinton. Wow. That's awesome.
• 28:36
  Speaker 1: There is really, I will say, if you go back
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: and watch it, the special effects, even for 1994, they
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: look rough. But, again, I guess HBO at the time
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: didn't have the kind of budget that it probably would now,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: piecing something together. So, minimal, what they still would have
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: considered made-for-TV movie back in the day, budget. That aside,
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I think the question they throw out in this first installment...
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: is kind of amazing so basically and i guess spoilers
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: if you are gonna go watch it but do you
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: guys care if i tell you i won't even ruin
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: it i'll just throw out the premise because i think
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: the premise is genius tell me basically we we show
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: up at the very beginning and they're just like news
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: report out on there and we're waiting for somehow there's
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: been some sort of contact from aliens they're like out
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: on plymouth rock waiting to meet them and uh the
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: reporters are out there and so they cut to and
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: like these this like ships appear out of nowhere and
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: This little screen comes down with this looks like a
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: normal human kind of a head, but it also kind
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: of looks like it's probably... fictional it's probably max headroom
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: somewhere it's all made up because he's weird looking and
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: doesn't really look like an actual human being but it's
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: more or less a human talking to us and they
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: say okay you know we're we're from space we have
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: this uh we have this actually this whole story is
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: called the space traders So we have this deal for you, essentially.
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: We have all these great things to offer you. We're
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: from a highly advanced civilization, so we can give you
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: tons of gold and precious metals so we can take
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: care of all your... And they're specifically talking to the U.S.,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: which is key in this. We have gold and precious metals.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: We can clear up all your... We'll get you completely
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: out of debt. We have a way to clean your
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: water and air, so we will take care of all
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: your pollution problems that you've created. And we can provide
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you with cold fusion to take care of all your
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: future energy issues. In return, they spell out the specific
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: technical aspect of certain number of all of your people
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: that have this certain percentage of malinoin in their skin. Basically,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: what they're asking for is all of the people you
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: would consider black, give them to us. We will give
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: you all of these things. Whoa. That's it. We're not
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: going to try to force you into doing it. This
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: is the deal as it stands. We're not elaborating on anything,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: but that's the trade. Give us your answer. And from
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that point on, it's just like we switch to the
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: government side and we see the only real reason actor
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: that you know is one of the guys on the
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: presidential staff, more or less, is Robert Guillaume, the only
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: black guy in the room, basically. And, like, they're basically
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: just going through this, like, well, you know, this is ridiculous.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: And then they start.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: But, you know, like, all of a sudden, everybody starts
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: weighing these options, and they're like, all of these goofy
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: white people in the room are just like, well, now,
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: I mean, are the aliens gonna treat them any worse
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: than we have?
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Like, so.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: They.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: Start setting this up.
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: By the end, they come up with this plan of, like,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: before the deadline, they set up, like, a 1-900 number,
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: and the entire country gets to vote.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Wow. Only America, again, mind you.
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: There is a cutaway moment where they're like, France and
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: England and some other countries have also offered up all
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: their black people. But the aliens said, maybe next time. So, yeah,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: the rest of the country and world was ready to
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: sell out the rest of the black people of the world. So,
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, to me, this is very, it's not subtle,
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: but it's a really amazing story to throw out there.
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: And that is a persistent theme in a lot of
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: sci-fi where people are confronted with a horrible decision that
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: they have to make. And I hate to go back
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: to Twilight Zone, but I was thinking about one in
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: particular where I used to think about as a kid
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: in the 80s, in the early 80s, in the Cold
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: War and the threat of nuclear annihilation, there was an
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: episode of The Twilight Zone where the white suburban family
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: has a bomb shelter in their backyard, and it's stocked
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: and ready to go, and they've got these doors, you
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: know the one I'm talking about? Sounds familiar. Anyway, so
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: the sirens go off. And they're like, okay, this is it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Let's get in the shelter. And they're in there. And
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: they've only got enough food and water for their family.
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: And they're faced with the decision. Their neighbors are right
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: outside the door. And they're like, oh, let us in.
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: We've known you for... 15 years, come on, save us.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: And then more neighbors start to show up and they
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: start to break down the door. And it's that decision
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: that they're like, no, you have to go away. You've...
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: You've made your bed, now you have to lie in it.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: We prepared, you didn't. It's not our fault.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, if you're going to build a bomb shelter,
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: you at least have to have blast-proof doors. Right. So really,
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: that's poor science fiction.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Ultimately, they break in, and it turns out that it
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: was a false alarm that.
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: And now they're the worst neighbors ever.
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: And now they're like, everyone... No, no, the people that
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: prepared were the good guys in this scenario. The people
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: breaking in felt ashamed.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: Just makes for a lot of future awkward block parties. Hey,
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you know, you.
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: You know that lawnmower you've been asking to borrow? You
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: can borrow it now.
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, since you tried to kill my family, I'd
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: like that back now, thanks.
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: Remember that hammer?
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: Gonna use it on you. We were gonna have a
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: barbecue next weekend, but I really don't want you in
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: my yard, thanks. But no, I just thought that was
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: a forgotten win that, again, I assumed that was gonna get,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: you know, or they were shooting for that to get
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: picked up and turned into an ongoing series, but It's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a one-off weird movie. That's really weird.
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: I need to look that up.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Again, some rough special effects, but the themes are pretty interesting.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: And there's a crazy floating George Clinton head. He's our
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: host in between segments.
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: But this seems kind of familiar, yet I don't know if.
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: That's just everything you've ever seen of George Clinton. It's
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: like a detached head floating in space and on fire
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: at moments. That sounds like George Clinton.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: Then the devil sang.
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Would you like to dance with me?
• 35:33
  Speaker 7: We're doing the Cosmic Slop.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: Would you like to dance with me?
• 35:38
  Speaker 7: We're doing the Cosmic Slop. Would you like to dance
• 35:42
  Speaker 7: with me? We're doing the Cosmic Slop.
• 35:45
  Speaker 11: She was flying over the gallows.
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: Tricks were coming, then they go.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: The neighbors were talking, calling Jezebel.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: But always with a smile, she was sure to try
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to hide.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: The facts from us that she was catching him.
• 36:04
  Speaker 7: Hey, hear my mother call.
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: Uh, yes, sir.
• 36:14
  Speaker 7: May I help you? Oh, I'd like two of those, please.
• 36:17
  Speaker 8: Hot dogs?
• 36:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, sir.
• 36:19
  Speaker 7: And three of those. And one of those. And five
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: bars of these. And a cup of that nice hot liquid.
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: Coffee.
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: Coming right up.
• 36:30
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• 36:33
  Speaker 10: You mean our crunchy popcorn.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: Shall I wrap that for.
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: You, sir?
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: Oh, that's all right.
• 36:40
  Speaker 7: My saucer's just outside.
• 36:43
  Speaker 10: They come from miles to enjoy our intermission.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: Don't you guys like horror? Yeah. Don't you think everybody
• 37:07
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• 37:10
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• 37:14
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• 37:16
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• 37:20
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• 37:23
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• 37:26
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• 37:29
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• 37:32
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• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Don't you want to be cool?
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, really, don't you want to be cool? All
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: the cool kids are doing it.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: Okay.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Wait, just by being a movie geek, you're already not
• 37:49
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• 37:50
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• 37:55
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• 38:06
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• 38:09
  Speaker 2: What is the minimum again?
• 38:11
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• 38:12
  Speaker 9: Two dollars.
• 38:12
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• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Two dollars. That's all you need to listen to the episodes. So,
• 38:17
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• 38:20
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• 38:24
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• 38:28
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• 38:31
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• 38:34
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• 38:37
  Speaker 2: It's kind of the only way it's.
• 38:38
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• 38:41
  Speaker 1: we started this. Yeah. So it is not only greatly appreciated,
• 38:47
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• 38:50
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• 38:52
  Speaker 1: for these people that we don't. no actually care enough
• 38:56
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• 38:56
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• 38:58
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• 39:00
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• 39:03
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• 39:06
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• 39:27
  Speaker 4: We interrupt this program to give you a bulletin just
• 39:29
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• 39:31
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• 39:34
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• 39:42
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• 39:44
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• 39:47
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• 39:52
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• 39:59
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• 40:00
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• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Greetings from Hollywood, ladies and gentlemen. There is an ever-present
• 40:33
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• 40:37
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• 40:40
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• 40:50
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  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 41:00
  Speaker 10: Do you feel pain?
• 41:02
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• 41:04
  Speaker 10: Are you human?
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: My body is.
• 41:08
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• 41:17
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• 41:25
  Speaker 10: I'll repeat the question.
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: Did you feel that?
• 41:30
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• 41:39
  Speaker 7: You should let me go.
• 41:43
  Speaker 8: I came here to give you these bats.
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: But if you threaten to extend your violence, this earth
• 41:49
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• 41:59
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• 42:05
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• 42:07
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• 43:32
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• 43:36
  Speaker 11: It's part of your problem, you know.
• 43:50
  Speaker 6: You haven't seen enough movies.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: All of life's riddles are answered in the movies. And now,
• 44:03
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• 44:06
  Speaker 1: This is how I disappear.
• 44:37
  Speaker 5: Do you think in the future they'll talk about the future?
• 44:40
  Speaker 7: The future.
• 44:42
  Speaker 5: Like, what is science fiction in the future?
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: When has future arrived?
• 44:46
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: The future is now. Does it ever... We have to
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: be a commercial and basically sell this idea.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Isn't that the... What is that? In the Fallout universe.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: That's the... I believe that's the slogan.
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: The future is now.
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: The future is now. It makes me think of, what
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: was the name of that movie with Roddy, Roddy Piper?
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: They Live. They Live, yeah.
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, it's one of our favorites.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: I believe we probably talked about it sometime. Recently, yes.
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: That might have been last.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Week as well.
• 45:23
  Speaker 5: That is a thing that we love.
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: It's, as I said last week, I believe.
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: Also.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: A little more fitting even now.
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: As time goes on, it's more and more accurate and
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: or potentially disturbing the more you think about it. Again,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: I think it's a better concept than it is a movie.
• 45:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a phenomenal concept, but not such a fantastic movie.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: But still, I love it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: I don't care.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: I would watch it. It's entertaining regardless.
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: I would watch it repeatedly, and I have.
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: What makes a good or a bad movie, really?
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: 15 minute fight scene yeah but you know but why
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't it 20.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: But you were captivated that whole 15 minutes.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: I guess maybe I mean you know you're like oh
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: wow what is this fight scene it's gonna.
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: End something as big as gotta happen I mean they've
• 46:16
  Speaker 5: been fighting for this long I.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: Just spend every time I watch it going man.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: Just couldn't get uh kurt russell could he it just
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: seems like it was made to have kurt russell in
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it and then he must have been shooting something else
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: because they work together later like carpenter and kurt russell
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: kept working they did like two movies in a row
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: and then like they later worked together so obviously he
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: was just like not available and they were like okay
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: who else can we get We're still going to give
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: him the Kurt Russell hair of 1987. We're going to
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: put him in his standard jeans and a flannel shirt.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: He's going to look just like Kurt Russell in every
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: other one of my movies.
• 46:55
  Speaker 5: Same delivery.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: Can't really.
• 46:56
  Speaker 5: A lot of the same delivery.
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Not quite. An attempt.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: No offense.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: As previously stated, Rowdy was a pretty damned fascinating guy.
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: It's a different portrayal.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: It's a different time.
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: A different world. Yeah, that's a good one.
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: And it's, I don't know, like the whole, that's another one.
• 47:17
  Speaker 5: It's a line between horror and science fiction.
• 47:21
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: Yes, you're right. Because the situation is horrific. You know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: the world that you thought you were living in has
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: actually been infiltrated by Alien beings that you can't see.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: See, that's one I was going to get to anyway
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: in a couple of versions.
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: That's what I was just going to say. Invasion of
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: the Body Snatchers. V.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Sort of.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: Different, kind of. But kind of still.
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: But kind of, yeah. I mean, they're not hiding, but
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: you don't quite know what they are.
• 47:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't quite.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: You know they're aliens at least. They are really people skin.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, that's the thing.
• 47:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like. It's your neighbor. Is your neighbor an alien?
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: Put on your sunglasses and find out. Or did they
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: eat a live mouse?
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm just like with Invasion of the Body Snatchers.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: It is because, again, we're talking about bigger themes here.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: You go with the 50s when it's just communism. It
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: is just full-on McCarthyist. Everything about it is just sort of,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you can't trust your neighbors. Everything is paranoia.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: Them Reds did it.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Through and through. Now you jump ahead to like 78 version.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: We're coming out of post Watergate. So everything in that
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: is like, you can't trust the government. Like everybody, like
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: before you get to the alien, like to me, the
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: even bigger paranoia that's going on in that 78 one
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: is you can't trust anyone in authority, specifically the government.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: And then that kind of comes into play as you,
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: as you get further into the, the alien overlords and
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: plot and whatever. So, Those both kind of come from
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: much bigger themes.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I still subscribe to that idea.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: Don't trust them, Reg. Don't trust any of them. Or
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: don't trust the government. Or both.
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 49:08
  Speaker 5: You know, and we've been watching Project Blue Book, and
• 49:11
  Speaker 5: that's another one of those things where you're like.
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: What are they saying?
• 49:16
  Speaker 5: Is this a fun show about aliens?
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: Stuff?
• 49:21
  Speaker 2: Is this a fun show about aliens and government conspiracy?
• 49:25
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right?
• 49:26
  Speaker 5: Or is it just a commentary on... I don't know.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: That one's an odd.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They took a factual event or series of events and.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Really fictionalized. Probably 95% of it.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: As you need to with most real life stories. They're
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: all boring.
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: Have you watched any of it?
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: Where is that one?
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: It's on the History Channel.
• 49:56
  Speaker 5: Which is disturbing that the History Channel is not history.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: It hasn't been in a long time. They do make
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a point of ending each episode Do not attempt this
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: at home. This was based on the events of such
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: and such dates when this happened and.
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Blah, blah, blah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: They do that.
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Probably so they can shoehorn it into the historical.
• 50:20
  Speaker 5: Making swords, which is a great show. I actually enjoy that.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: But yeah, it's an odd one. I mean, I'm a
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: huge fan of that subject matter. Yeah. But I don't
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: know if that shows us good. It's better than the X-Files,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: I'll say that.
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, God, yeah. The X-Files is kind of all over
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: the place. There are great episodes, and then there are
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: ones like, what the hell's going on this week?
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: X-Files, you know, those one-off episodes where it was just
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: devoted to that one thing for that one episode, great.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: The huge story arcs for the X-Files, I hated it.
• 50:58
  Speaker 5: I think my favorite one so far has been the,
• 51:01
  Speaker 5: what's that guy's name, Reece Darby?
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:05
  Speaker 5: The Reece Darby episode from, like, the reboot?
• 51:09
  Speaker 6: Which one?
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I only saw a couple of the reboots.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: It's the one where he's the lizard man.
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I did see. Yeah, that was one
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: of the ones.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: He always had the hat on.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: One of the ones. Because it's, like, Darren McGavin tie-in,
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: isn't it? I think it's got that little... Because Chris
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Carter stole all of this from Night Stalker, so... Yeah. Basically,
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: it's just kind of a little tribute to him thrown
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: in with the lizard guy, so.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's another great one, Night Stalker. Man, I
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: loved that show.
• 51:34
  Speaker 5: Ah, well, see, that's a good one because it is
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: science fiction and it's also horror, but it is not.
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: It's weird on both counts. And I loved it, but.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: But there's no, like.
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't fit perfectly in anything.
• 51:48
  Speaker 5: It doesn't fit perfectly in anything. And there's no, like,
• 51:51
  Speaker 5: depressing takeaway. It's all just like, this is some weird
• 51:55
  Speaker 5: shit and life is weird.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, in the big picture, it is kind
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: of depressing because... like because life was just normal like
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: every week it just went on as normal even though
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: he's finding vampires and aliens and werewolves or whatever the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: hell comes along that week and then like nobody believes
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: him nobody gives a shit everybody just goes on with
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: their lives and like eventually like the more i kept
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: watching i'm just like this is kind of depressing because
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: this poor guy's just going on his little journey goes
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: on he's alone every week and then just like fighting
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: monsters and Nobody helps him. Nobody learns anything.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: He's running up against the man every single time he
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: tries to write an article.
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: But that's the really sad, depressing thing. All this stuff
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: can happen, or could happen, or could.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Be real, or could not be real, and everything will.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: Just keep chugging along and nobody would believe it.
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably the case, no matter what the horrors.
• 52:48
  Speaker 5: Maybe that's the beauty of it. Maybe that's what I
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: hate about things like Black Mirrors, because there's the idea
• 52:52
  Speaker 5: that there's a bigger.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: That it.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: Would never matter?
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: No, that it somehow does matter and affects you more
• 53:01
  Speaker 5: than you would know. Like than you could imagine. Like
• 53:03
  Speaker 5: the black mirror where there's like the social credit thing.
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: You know, so anyway. Hmm. I'm just disturbed by it.
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: Which just black mirror or life as a whole continuing on?
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: I was thinking, again, I was trying to hit some
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: of the bigger ones and just look at the bigger ideas.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: And one that I always loved years ago and still do,
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: The Day the Earth Stood Still.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: The original?
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: Which again is, I have not seen the remake. I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: kind of, I was so anti when it came out,
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: but now I've gotten over the whole remake thing. And
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: now everybody kind of likes Keanu again. So I kind
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: of want to go back and watch that.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: We just rewatched it recently.
• 53:48
  Speaker 5: And we liked it.
• 53:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But that one becomes environmental, right? They show up
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: because we're destroying ourselves, which is what we do. Which
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: is what we're doing. But it wasn't like that. The
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: first one was more, and again, it ties a little
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: more in with the World War aspect of it in
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: the first one. Because again, it's not, it's not, it's
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: going interplanetary with it.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: We're a violent species and they don't want us to
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: spread any further like an infection to the rest of
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: the stars.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: They're like, we've left you alone the rest of this
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: time because you were harmless. But now you've become so
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: warlike and you're so busy trying to kill each other.
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: We don't want you to spread into the galaxy and
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: start bringing your not-so-peaceful ways towards us.
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: And I also liked that original one. I thought that
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: was great, and the acting was really good. And the
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: way that... I don't know. It had a lovely innocence
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: to it in the story with the boy. The little boy, yeah.
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: It is sort of that little ideal little town, and
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: everybody has this perfect little life, so it seems. But
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: at any minute, a giant robot could show up and, like,
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: beam the hell out of you and destroy everything just
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: because he can. He is almost, again, they even say
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: they made these almost godlike creatures to keep the peace. And, like,
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: they aren't even in charge. They're like, we gave them
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: the power, I guess, to keep, like, not really humanity
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: because they're aliens, but whatever species is around could also
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: have personal reasons to start, like, leaning towards this person or,
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: you know, you could be affected by bribery or whatever.
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: But like, if you have this mechanical thing that just
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: knows laws or right and wrong or whatever, there's no
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: way to sway it. He just comes in and lays
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: down the law of death and like moves on. So
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: like they took themselves out of the mix basically by
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: creating this group of creatures that just show up and,
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: and just put the smack down on planets and people
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: and whatever.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, that hasn't changed much with the
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: the remake would that be neutral good or uh yeah sorry.
• 56:00
  Speaker 5: The thrones of.
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: Dnd yeah i mean that's uh you know you might
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: have just pitched a new uh movie idea right.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: There i've got at least one that I was going
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: to discuss, but I'm like, I just need to write
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: this screenplay.
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: Consider that a future where our courts and justice system
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: is all run by robots.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: We just set up our computer program. Then we just
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: figure out who's the first hacker to come along and
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: find a way around everything.
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: And everybody's parents would be like, I can't get my
• 56:41
  Speaker 5: lawful computer to work.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: Johnny Mnemonic the shit out of it.
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: My justice system just keeps flashing 12 all the time.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I can't get it to do anything else.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: It's been hacked.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: It's been hacked by hackers who are kids that hang
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: out in a club and they have funny looking hair
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: and listen to loud music and that's how you know
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: they're hackers.
• 57:06
  Speaker 5: You can tell they're hackers. Oh man.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Looking again one of the ones that was like looking
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: at the future, but now it's as dated as it
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: is going to like early cinema with like Metropolis.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's also a response to just like industrialization.
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: Like it's just them kind of dealing with this weird
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: world of moving into that.
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: Our separation from our natural selves into a future of
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: machines and mass production.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Steam. All that steam. My favorite part about that, I
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: remember even as a kid, the first time I saw
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: Metropolis was how the work that you were doing was
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: completely and utterly pointless. You were just there to do it. Yeah.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: This thing lights up and you put this here. And
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: then as time went on and I got a job,
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, man, this is genius. I was like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: you're just killing 8 to 12 hours a day. I'm
• 58:09
  Speaker 1: assuming they kept these weird guys. So I just need
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: to move this widget.
• 58:12
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's just all day. I was like,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: that's so pointless.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: It's so weird.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: Why would you? And then you get to your job
• 58:19
  Speaker 1: and you're just like, oh.
• 58:20
  Speaker 5: This is so pointless this is so.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Pointless why am i here all these hours of the
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: day this is dumb so the future is now is
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: what i'm saying.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: The future is now the future is yeah.
• 58:34
  Speaker 5: I mean i don't feel hopeful talking about the future
• 58:36
  Speaker 5: i feel like talking about the future is truly like
• 58:39
  Speaker 5: things about maybe that's it it's the things that bother
• 58:41
  Speaker 5: me about it like i don't look and think like oh, man,
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: that's going to be great.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, shit.
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: I think that's why people write about it. It's a warning, right?
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: This is the potential path.
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: Cautionary tale. Yes. Whatever you do, turn left before you
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: get to that point. But you say that, again, because
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: each generation thinks we're in the worst spot we've ever
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: been as humanity, but everybody's always thought that. So do
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: you think you're thinking about it in a than the
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: person who went and saw metropolis in the theater in
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: the early 1900s do you think they had the same
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: feelings no.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: But i always imagine that there's times where like this
• 59:20
  Speaker 5: is my like movie movie nerd raised on movies and
• 59:23
  Speaker 5: television and whatever where like there's like You see a
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: shot of the earth as it rotates and suddenly light
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: hits it, right? I feel like we live in this
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: constant series of the sun coming up, right? So it's
• 59:36
  Speaker 5: all bright and crazy and awake and noisy. But it's
• 59:40
  Speaker 5: like we never get any rest anymore. It's all just constant.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: It's probably because of all that industrialization. But you know
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying? You weren't working in the factory all day.
• 59:49
  Speaker 5: So it's like we have witnessed all kinds of changes
• 59:52
  Speaker 5: in the ways that people who watch Metropolis couldn't even
• 59:56
  Speaker 5: conceive of. We've gone through several of those.
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, I bet they felt the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: same way.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they did.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: They were like, my grandfather grew up on a farm,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: and he didn't have to worry about any of this,
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: and now I go clocking at the factory every day,
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: and it just seems crazy, and I have to deal
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: with all this steam. All these other crazy mechanical things.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: There used to be horses.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I feel like they had the same thoughts.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 7: I do, too.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 5: But I also think that it happens so much quicker now.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 5: It speeds up.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: Since the 90s on.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: Every week.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: Now, talk about this. The domino effect that technology has had.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 5: And you're just like, okay.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: It's like, okay.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: I think the cautionary tale element is an important piece
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: of it.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Because.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 2: You know, if left unchecked, right? Our lawmakers have proven
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: that we can't rely on them to get anything done. So,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: you know, it does come down to us individually and
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: the artists and, you know, those people talking to everyone
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: else as a whole and saying those things.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 5: Yes, but the problem is all of that changes so
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: quickly as well. Like you have Instagram influencers.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: You're right.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: 16 today, or 15, or 12, or whatever. Well, next year,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 5: they're gone. They're done.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: Nobody cares.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: The Fyre Festival is a good example of this.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: The horror science fiction it is.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: Oh, I love the Fyre Festival.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 2: God. Or, you know, like pre- prehistoric times, you know,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: Carl showed up with a wheel today.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: This thing called a wheel. I remember when I had
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: to walk everywhere. Now look at this crazy world we
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: live in.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: But now I have to maintain this thing called a wheel.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: I gotta maintain it.
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 5: Now the wheel's gotten less heavy and I got an
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 5: old heavy wheel.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: It's enough carrying this club around so I can do
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: some dating. Gotta hit these chicks over the head so
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: we can start a family. So.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 5: But you know what I mean? So it's harder to
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: catch your breath or your balance when it's so fast
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: and there's always... The next thing is already ready to
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: happen so that you can't get.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: The youth of today are just... recreating the same stories
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: that we created at a faster.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: Again we've been saying that we're always like going back
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: to shakespeare we're just telling the same.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 5: Oh it's not like we're that old.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: Well i mean really forbidden planet is shakespeare it is
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: the tempest in space yeah.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah you know we're we're we're The speed at which
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: the kids are receiving all of that information is irrelevant.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, to us it's relevant because.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 5: We've... We can see it because we're not in it.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: We can see it and.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: We've experienced the prior version.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 5: But let me just say, we're not that old. I mean,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 5: I expect it to make.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 1: Hold on, let me move your walker out of the
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: way so you can tell this story.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 5: If my life alert goes off, tell them I can
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 5: get up.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Don't you have to trigger the life alert?
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: That's why you're supposed to have it on you at
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: all times so you can hit the button.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: You're doing it wrong.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 5: Maybe I draw.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: This is the cautionary tale. People, wear your life alert
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: around your neck. Yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 7: Damn.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 5: Keep abreast of the life alert technology.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: And honey brothers. And cranky old people.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 5: And cranky old people. No, I mean, we sound like
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 5: we're cranky old people, but we're not. But we're just
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 5: on that cusp of like. We saw this and we
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: saw that. We saw the wheel and we saw the internet.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Again, I do think it's moving so much faster now,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: but did they have that perspective then?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Do you think in the 50s there.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Were these kids and their damn records and rock and
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: roll gonna bring the end of the world?
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: I mean, they.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Probably had the same thoughts. They just now we have
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: perspective to be like, no, no. What, you know, was
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: a crawl of technology in the 50s is now like
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: a slalom downhill as everything continues to change every year.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 5: I do think it's faster. And I don't think that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 5: it's the same. I think the changes were bigger.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: They definitely.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 5: At that time, and now they're weird tweaks, but they
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: happen so quickly that you find yourself with a computer
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 5: as your phone.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's constant.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 2: We've been working our way towards the smartphone for a
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: long time. I don't think that the physical technology is,
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: the rate of change of that is very fast.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 5: It's not the physical. It's what it does.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: It's the information that we receive. And how we communicate
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: and everything. It's the way it affects the brain, too.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: We live in the information age. It is called that
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: for a reason. And that is that the rate at
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: which we receive information has quadrupled just about every day.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: Which is why none of us can ever remember anything.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: We're always like, hold on, Siri, what's the name of
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: the thing? Which is great.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 5: Which I actually love because there's so much that I'm like,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 5: I don't have to make room for that. I can
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 5: just look.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: But do you think even that element has changed chemically
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: in your brain?
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think people, when you lived to the ripe
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: old age of 30 back in the day.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 5: You were wise.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 1: You were wise and you remembered everything. Where now we're
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 1: so busy being distracted by all the weird trappings of
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: technology that we're like.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: Wait, what was that? What? We are... What's the name.
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 5: Of that guy that was in that thing?
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: You know, the hat. The guy that had a hat
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: and he.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 5: And he ate a guy in a movie and then
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 5: wrote himself on himself in another to bring it full circle.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: Guy Pearce. He was a guy.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I knew it.
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: The guy.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: It's been roughly, what, 10... Well, let's say iPhone. It's
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: been around for 11 years.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: Is that it?
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: I know, right?
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: But.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: From that moment on, I think geneticists will be discovering
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: that we are a different species because we're rewriting our
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 2: genetic code every year, really. Our brains are changing our
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 2: chemistry to deal with that.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: But that's the truth of anything.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: No, I know.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: That's the truth of a calculator.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: But it's the speed at which it happens.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: So we're constantly having to rewrite our own brain to
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: keep up with what's changing. Whereas 50, 100 years ago,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: it was once in your lifetime, you'd be like, look,
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: a car. And that was pretty legit. You might get
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: radio before you die. So it sounds terrible.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 5: And here comes my hopeful sci-fi aspect, right? Is that
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: a bad thing or a good thing? Does it free
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 5: me up to keep my.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 5: My learning process more open for like, what's a word
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 5: for it?
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: It's all about the potential, right? It has potential for
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: great harm and great good. We could invent a machine
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: like Brian was just saying, like in the day the
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: earth stood still, that will simplify all of those things
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: for us and not kill us.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: That's my home. In theory, but I feel like we
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: as a species are so evil by nature that then
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you get more to the Skynet. As soon as you
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: give a mechanical creature enough artificial intelligence to realize the
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: people that it's dealing with are at their basic core
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: evil and horrible creatures, it's time to annihilate them all.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 5: But I never understood what the end game of that was.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 7: Right?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: So here we go.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 5: Here's another good science fiction question.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 7: All right.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: Okay, so if people are so terrible, then what's the
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 5: end game of the computer that goes, God, these people
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: are terrible. What do they want?
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: Then they take over the world and they become equally
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: as corrupt and horrible.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: But what do they have to offer?
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Eventually the human nature of artificial intelligence will creep in.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: That is one of those I was looking at when
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: I was coming up with these. Like at what point...
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: Does creating artificial intelligence also sort of imbue all of.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Our horrible characteristics? We're there now.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, something like Ex Machina, where you get, like,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: this robot. There's nothing evil about it in its nature.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: But it does have enough humanity in it to have self-preservation.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 5: And self-preservation.
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: So when you get to, again, from Ex Machina back
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: to HAL, it's the same thing. You are going to
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: destroy me. I don't care if I'm not living. You
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: are going to wipe out everything that is me. And
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I have to, like again it's that fight influence that
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: we're in these fictional versions we're instilling in these creatures so.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: We can't is that really there we can't help but
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: make um computer versions of ourselves yeah that is the
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 2: nature of the beast it's like we're doing that now
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: with artificial intelligence in cars.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: And having to pick who would live or die who.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Lives or dies if the car is driving by itself
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: the driver is it going to take out the passenger
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: always gets killed that's usually how it goes but if
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: given the choice of taking out a whole group of
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: nuns or two children you know.
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: One of which is a boy nuns wear silly outfits
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: one of which is a boy come on the boy
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: gets it right I mean, you know, those are the.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: The future's now.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: The future is now!
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: And we're all a bunch of Morlocks.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: That's what I always think. See, I always said that.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: Or are we the Eloi letting these computers make the
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: decisions for us and being oblivious to all of that
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: happening in the background?
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: Now that's one of those that... This is the one
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: interesting thing Doug did bring up. He didn't go too
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 1: far into getting into the mind of a Morlock, but
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: That's what I said. There was a different thing that
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: was brought up in the new Time Machine that they
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: didn't really go into in the old version.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know about the book.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: That would involve a reading. But you can tell me
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: if this is true because you've read it.
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 5: Well, it's been a while, but I've read it multiple times.
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: But this is something– and I've said this for years
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: because going back to the cosmic swap end of it,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: we're horrible and we don't understand how to get along
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: as races. But if you go into the far distant
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: future that is the Time Machine– All of the Eloi
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: were just sort of mocha colored. Yeah. Because we as
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: the species, and I've said that before, I was like,
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: just start sleeping with other people. Eventually, if there's no
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: colors left, we can't hate each other for that reason.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll find new stupid reasons to hate each other.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Which is crazy.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 1: That's totally crazy.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: Hair braiding.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: But eventually, yeah. How could you braid your hair that way?
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: You braided your hair on the left side.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: I will kill you. You're an idiot. I thought that
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: was a really interesting thing that like you jumped that
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: far in the future. So many people have crossed over
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: and cross-pollinated and co-mingled to the point that we are
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: one big race.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 5: Because there's actually an article. God, I read it years
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 5: ago too. And I can't remember if it was The
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 5: Guardian or what. But it was like in whatever year.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: Everyone should actually be. If we weren't such racist bastards,
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: we didn't fight it. You'd just go find who you
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: care about.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: And that wouldn't matter.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 5: We'll just eventually be like that.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: Eventually we'll work ourselves into some sort of awesome mocha flavor.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: So let's go for that. Mocha flavored people. The future
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: is now.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: Future is now.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: Soylent Green is people. I took it a different way.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Where do you go?
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: Suddenly there's mocha flavored Soylent Green and enjoy. The future
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: is now.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: Future is now.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 5: Wait, what were you talking about the other day?
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: People and.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I have one that, again, this will come up,
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: will come in very handy because old people. Logan's Run.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: I just watched it. Again. And see, this to me
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: was a dividing line. There was a guy... I don't
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: remember if I've brought this up before.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Again, another 70s sci-fi film.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: But it was like one of those, to me, that's
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 1: a dividing. Like, if you don't appreciate that, you can
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: acknowledge some cheesy elements of it. That's fine. But, like,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: just watch this person. I already didn't feel, I was like,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: on the fence about him as a person anyway.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: And then he's like, oh, watch Logan Ryan.
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: That movie's stupid. I was like, that's it.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: We're done.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: And so to me, I was like, if you're not
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: appreciating what's going on here in this story, again, the
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: silly costumes or the special effects of the 70s or whatever,
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: but again, the story that's going on, it's really fascinating.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 1: So I'm like, if you don't at least appreciate that,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: you're dead to me. So one more reason I was
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 1: done with that person. Well, let me ask the question.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Is he over 30?
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: I know at the time he was not. And that's
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: why I was like, I don't want to... I don't
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: want to constantly be like, you dumb kids don't understand anything. But,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: is that the case? Or is it just that he
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: was an idiot?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Well, those under 30 in the movie are oblivious to
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 2: the fact that they are dying.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 5: But Logan's Run is one of those films in terms
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 5: of visual look and costumes and everything. What year was
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 5: it made?
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: 76.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 5: I think it's before that. I think it's like 74
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: or 75.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I looked it up somewhere around there.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 5: And I say that because there was a time where, like,
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 5: this is totally crazy and unrelated to sci-fi, where it
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 5: felt like England and Europe and the U.S.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 6: 76.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 5: We were all kind of in the same thing, like stylistically.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 5: You would look at things and you could be like,
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 5: that is from 1970 whatever. We've had that conversation.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I said it the other night because I had
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: watched– Thunderbolt and Lightfoot from 1974 with Clint Eastwood. And
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: I was like, this is the most 1974 movie I've
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: ever seen in my life.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 6: Nice.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Not science fiction at all.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 5: There was a 70s period where everything looked like you
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 5: couldn't tell if it came from England or Europe or
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 5: the US. Right. Like everything was kind of like jiving together.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: I feel like the 70s is sort of its own
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: dystopian future. When I watch, because I love things from
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: the 70s, but when I watch, like, it all enters
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: into this weird 70s world. Yeah, but not like disco.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: It's dystopian, but no, like, again, like Clint Eastwood's 70s.
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: It's its own thing.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Just like weird, disgruntled 70s people.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 2: You and I should start going to sci-fi conventions dressed
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: as 70s characters.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: All right.
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: Exclusively.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 5: Like truckers?
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: With the apparel and everything, you know, like the space
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: suit with the big wide collars.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: I was just going to wear like a nice 70s suit,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: like that weird pattern that everything seemed to have in
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: the 70s.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: With a helmet.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: A lot of brown.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: A lot of brown.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: A lot of brown.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: Tight jeans in space.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Or it's either that or everyone tried to look like
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: Evel Knievel.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, then I'm definitely going as that. Yeah. Because that's
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: how I spent my childhood was jumping over things.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: Me too.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 7: Yep.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: I miss that bike.
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 2: But anyway, Logan's Run. Yeah. That's a classic.
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: Was it a Schwinn?
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, no.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: It was the Evel Knievel bike. It actually had a
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: little pretend gas tank on it.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: Pretend shocks. To look at it, it thought it.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 6: Was a motorcycle.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: It was not. It was a bike.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: That's pretty cool.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: As I jumped off the little rock in front of
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: my driveway, I thought I was Evel Knievel. That was
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: Snake Canyon right there as far as I was concerned.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: Snake Canyon.
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 5: Snake Canyon.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 7: So.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: That happened in the 80s, didn't it?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 7: Did it?
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Snake Canyon happened in the 80s, didn't it?
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: Probably.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 8: Oh.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: Because it kept escalating. Yeah. Crashing in the buses wasn't enough.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: I had to almost try to kill myself as, you know,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: Evel Knievel that I am.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: What's that?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 5: So what was the, oh, the guy that's now doing
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: Twilight Zone. What was the movie he just did?
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: Us.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: Us.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 5: Us. So I like the premise of Us until it
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 5: gets to the whole idea of it's an underground.
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: We haven't done a full Us episode yet, so no spoilers.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 9: Okay.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: So that could have been a very effective tale, like
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 5: a Twilight Zone tale, or where it's telling this bigger
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 5: story about race and division and class, right? But it
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 5: kind of derails in this weird.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 5: I can't talk about it. If y'all haven't done an
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 5: episode about it, then I.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Sound like I don't... We can come back to it
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: as a future episode.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: So I think that that's very... It's effective, yet it
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 5: was disappointing. So if you look to modern things, I
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 5: don't know what a modern... What a good modern science
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 5: fiction thing is.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I tried to come up with a few. Had
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: you thought about that too? Ex Macho was one. I
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: was just trying, because I kept writing down nothing but classic.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 11: Right.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: So I was trying to think of Annihilation. Moon. Pretty good.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: Moon is on the list. The Arrival was pretty good.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: So there's some pretty decent classic science fiction stories. Do
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: you think that they'll carry over though?
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 5: Or do you think that they'll be missed and somebody
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 5: else will say like, God, I don't know.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I think it just depends on the person. Because when you,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the things that I'm referencing.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: only a handful.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Of geeks would reference. If you ask regular people out
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: on the street.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Star.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: Wars, like nobody really is going to dig super deep
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: and be going for Metropolis or Forbidden Planet or anything.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: They're just going to. So I think it depends on
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: who you ask in the future.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 2: Maybe 30 years from now.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: They'll be like, ooh, Annihilation. I like the skull bear pig.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: That was really cool.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, think about the popularity of 2001 A Space Odyssey. Like,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: How many people really left the theater thinking, that was
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: a great science fiction film? What the hell was that?
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Again, that's only the scholarly that have gone on to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: discuss it and convince everyone that it's a masterpiece.
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: The reviewers thought that, well, it was mixed bag, right?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, some people, some reviewers loved it, some hated
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: it or didn't get it. And I think that that
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: was definitely the case for the average viewer going to
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: the theater.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah, as you said, that's why I was like, it
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: goes against all of what we know of pop culture
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: that that movie would be regarded as a masterpiece by
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: the norm, by.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: The regular people.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: Because if you showed.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Something like that to people.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: Now, again, most people would be like, what the hell?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 1: That's the dumbest movie I ever saw. It's a bunch
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: of monkeys and then there's a talking computer. I don't know.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 5: It's like somebody watching Titanic on two separate VHS tapes
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 5: and they're like, I like the first tape. You know
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: what I mean? Like, I don't need to see the
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 5: second part. Like it's that same kind of thing.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: I know how it ends.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: But that's the dawn of man.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: It's when it crosses.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: So you either like the first VHS tape of Titanic
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: or the second VHS of Titanic, just depending on your
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: personality type.
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I like it when everybody dies. But see, I think
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: that that's one of my favorite things about 2001 is
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: it's almost most of the way into the movie before
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: we leave the.
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: Dawn of man.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: The fact that it's not just the freaking monkeys throwing
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: bones around that is referred to as the... Us going
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: into space, going to the moon, all of that, we're
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: still at the dawn of man. Because we're still like
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: children in the grand scheme of where our brain's development
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: probably should be. That even to the point of reaching
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: that level of sophistication and technology and whatever... We're still
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: like just a blip on the radar in this grand
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: scheme of what's going on in the universe that they're like, oh,
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: these little children over here have just made it up
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: to the moon. It's good to know they're making progress.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: And I don't know. That's kind of one of my
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: favorite things that it goes. Again, this is the only
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: things that nerds sit around and talk about. But regular
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: people probably wouldn't even bother to pick up on that. Again,
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I think it's just how much time you wait for children.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: It was not made for children.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: No, not really.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Whereas Star Wars was.
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Star Wars came along and changed that. There's a
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: reason Star Wars headlines were on the block in 2001
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: was just like... But you know.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: It was popular, but.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 5: I never understood why.
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: Oh, man.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Guy Pearce?
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 7: No, not Guy Pearce.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 5: That guy with arms and legs. Does he wear a hat?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 7: No, stop.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 5: The movie was with all the people in it. why
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 5: fifth element was not like a modern star wars like
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 5: why that film didn't appeal i mean because to me
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 5: that's a classic sci-fi film stargate i love stargate.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 1: I think stargate has problems.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 5: Stargate has tremendous just at the.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: End more than any because i think it is a
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: great setup it is and it's a good concept it
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: just again the execution there at the end gets a
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: little a But granted, I have not watched it in
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: a long damn time.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 5: But Fifth Element should have been.
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: I always thought it was really well done. Visually, it's amazing.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 5: Everything about that movie is... I think.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: It's fun. If you want to know the truth, I
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: think it's too weird. I think it's too out there.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: For the normal person.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: Star Wars is just grounded enough that you're like... It's
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: a western in space. Yeah, it's normal sci-fi stuff. But, like,
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: Gary Oldman's weird hair just pushes it over the edge.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 3: I do, too.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: But I'm just like, it's just too many weird elements
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: to it that people... Again, this is something I can't...
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: Because there's so many times when people are questioning, why
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 1: didn't this work? And I'm like, I don't think people...
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: Fully take into account the level that regular people are
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: weirded out by stuff that's different. Anything that doesn't fall
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: into the things that they normally think are okay, they're like,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: that movie's stupid. They shut down. People really are small-minded
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: about stuff that goes out of their comfort zone. And
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: sci-fi goes into weird areas.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 5: That film, when I saw it, I felt like a
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 5: kid again. I left it and I felt like a kid.
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: I really like it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 5: Because there were so many exciting things about it, and
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 5: it was like, oh my gosh, I'm like an adult
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 5: seeing this thing that makes me go back to all
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 5: these awesome kid feelings. Anyway.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: Did you see the most recent one that he did?
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 5: Didn't we just watch that?
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to remember. See, that's the problem, is it's
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: a dumb name that I won't remember. Because I saw
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: it in the theater, and again, I had kind of
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: that same feeling of like, Oh, uh, it wasn't as good, though. No,
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: it's not, but at the same time, it's pretty damn close. Like,
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: it definitely feels like it's the same universe.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 5: I don't know, because I don't like the two, I
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 5: don't like, it is the same universe, but I don't
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 5: like the two leads.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think he brings anything to the table. I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: think she was pretty cool.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 5: I don't think she does, either.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I think she seemed like the hero of the story,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, why are we focusing on this dude
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: who's pretty much just kind of, like, hanging out, trying
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: to hook up with her more than anything? Like, he
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: just seemed like he wasn't an impressive guy. character in general,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: but I think she was very capable and could have
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: carried the story and kind of needed a better co-lead, really.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 5: But the fifth element had way more gravity to it
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: and to its story.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think it had more to tell, too,
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: where this one seemed a little lighter on the overall
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: thing it was trying to do.
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 5: Valeria?
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: Valeria and the City of a Thousand Planets.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: Valerian.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 7: Valerian.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: Valerian.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 9: Valerian.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: And the City of a Thousand Planets.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 5: I can't remember things from that like I remember from
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 5: Fifth Element.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: But I feel like it was that, I definitely felt
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: like it was in the same universe. Yeah. And really
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: it is the reason, that story is the reason Fifth
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Element exists because he wanted to make that movie.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: To make that initially.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: And couldn't get the licensing back when he was still
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: an up and coming director and just wrote his own,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: which became Fifth Element.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 5: Because that was originally a French comic book.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: And focuses, again, the name of the comic book is
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: both of those characters.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 6: Mm-hmm.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: Not just Valerian, it's also whatever her name was. So again,
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: even the comic book was focused equally as much on
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: her character. Again, I think that's the downfall of that.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: It seemed like it was trying to focus on him
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: like he was an up-and-coming star. And no offense to him,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: he's an okay actor in other things, but he doesn't
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: really bring anything to that movie. Yeah.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 5: I don't even know what else he's in.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: I think he's in... one of my favorites, which was
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: a cure for wellness. It is off the rails and sand.
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: Like you do not expect that from this story and
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: you don't even expect it midway in. It feels like
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: a pretty standard, this type of movie. And then that
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: last half hour, 45 minutes is just wait, what? It
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: takes turns that you're just like, Oh my God, what
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: kind of weird ass, It is the level of like
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: old school hammer horror.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: Really?
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: Dramatic, crazy, over the top, like insanity. I'm just like,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: I can't believe they got a studio to make this.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: By the end, I loved it. I was just like,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: this is amazing that they got this made. So again,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: I think he's very, he's very good at doing what
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: he's doing in that. And I don't know that it's that.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 5: I have to Google who that is. Cause I can't.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: Uh, He's the one in the Metallica movie, isn't he?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 1: Isn't he through the net?
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 10: Metallica movie?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he's in the Metallica movie. I'm not making that up.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 2: Are you talking about Valerian?
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: I'm talking about Dane DeHaan.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 7: What?
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: How do you spell that?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: D-H-A-N. And Rihanna's in that movie.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the part. That was the one, and
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: I don't, I mean, Rihanna's whatever. She's fine in her world,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: but it almost took me out of it because it
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 1: looked like Rihanna.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: Maybe again.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: That's my middle name at work.
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: Rihanna. Do I want to know? What is that? Do
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: you have some sort of performance you need to show us?
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 2: I can't remember why it came to be, but, you know,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: if you.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 5: Wait, what is his name?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: If you email Rihanna.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: Dane DeHaan.
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: Dane DeHaan. Dane DeHaan.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: Googling.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: He's in a lot of stuff he's in lawless he's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: in kill your darlings he's in but to me like
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: that first thing i've heard the name was he was
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: in that weird uh metallica movie.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 5: What is the weird metallica movie what through the never
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 5: there you.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Go metallica through the never it's a mixture of weird
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: sci-fi stories probably dystopian future i don't even think i
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: ever watched it but I just remember it being a
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: big deal because it's mixed with live Metallica performance.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm so sorry.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: Joy, you should totally get in on some of that.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: I gotta Google that.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 5: I'm looking. I'm looking now.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 2: 2013.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, a young roadie named Trip is sent
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 5: on a mission to meet a disabled truck driver and
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: retrieve a particular item.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 8: Wah, wah.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: Next week when we do an episode about Through the Never,
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: you'll appreciate that movie.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 5: We have to do a thing about that. We have
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm up for it if you are.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 5: Oh, I want to do this.
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: Most people don't ever want to commit to these ridiculous concepts.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 5: I will commit to that ridiculousness.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: All right.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: I'm all for it.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: It got a 79% on Rotten Tomatoes.
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 5: And then I'll rewrite Rattle and Hum. where The Rock
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 5: has to save... You too maybe i don't know something
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 5: an article a joshua tree you're.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Gonna do this just do that episode of booker which
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: was my favorite episode of booker when the entire episode
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: he's running around trying to get back lucille because someone
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 1: has kidnapped and or stolen lucille The guitar.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 5: Lucille one or two.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: And he's got to play it at night, so he's
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: got to recapture Lucille and get it back to Bebe
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: for the live performance that night. It's a pretty epic
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: episode of television. It's very Blue Brother-esque.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 5: Not Lucille Bluth. I was thinking Lucille Bluth.
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. What a mission from God.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, man.
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 5: I didn't even know there was a Metallica movie. Where
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 5: have I been?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: Well, and there's a new Motley Crue movie out.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 5: Well, I read the book, The Dirt.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: That's not my fault.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 5: All right, then we have to talk about that.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: Only if you.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 1: Jab a needle into your heart and restart it after
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: you're dead on the table. Like most good rock stars,
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: you know, you got to die at least once and
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 1: maybe they'll bring you back.
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: That old reanimator.
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 5: Reanimator with Rihanna? Reanimator?
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute. Now this, we need to get on
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 1: because she could totally get this greenlit if we could
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: get her on board.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 5: Someone needs to make Reanimator.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, why have they not done this?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: So, do we have other things, other sci-fis to address
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: or have we rounded out this one and we can reconvene?
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: For future sci-fi talks. I think we need to put
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: a pin in this. I think we could. We've got
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: plenty more to discuss.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah. Have you ever watched League of Gentlemen?
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 1: I've heard about it from you on regular occasions. I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: think you're getting some sort of kickbacks when you sucker
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: people into watching it. That one is also on Prime.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 5: Oh, you've got to see it. It's more horror than.
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: You know... But it's a good one.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 5: It's so disturbing. And that's another thing. Like, I've gotten
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 5: older and it was funny at first. Now it's just, like,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 5: really disturbing and funny.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: It's really weird. But, you know, it could fall into
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: the sci-fi category in that it's some sort of strange
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: alternate universe or, you know, I mean, I guess all
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: satire is kind of like that.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: Everything's kind of its own weird alternate universe.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, it's out there. It's weird.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 5: Highly recommend it.
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: You should check it out.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I think we're just sort of knee deep in
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: this sci-fi talk. So if you'd like to put that
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 1: pin squarely in there and return to it in the future. Yeah.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: We can definitely do that.
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 5: That sounds like a good one.
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: And we've got all of the 80s to cover. 80s
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 2: sci-fi and 90s. We didn't really discuss any of that.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 5: What counts as 90s sci-fi?
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 5: We talked about... Independence Day.
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: Independence Day. That's the most 90s title ever. Oh, God.
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 5: Yeah, so if we talked about 90s sci-fi, what would
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 5: that be? What would that.
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: Conversation look like?
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: Teaser for next time as we come back to 80s
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 1: and 90s. Oh, God.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Well, just 90s or... I mean, there was a lot
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: in the 80s.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. We've still got plenty of 80s to it.
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 1: Like what?
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, we just briefly.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: We touched on They Live.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 5: I mean, Flash Gordon.
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: Back to the future. What about Flash?
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 7: E.T.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: You know, all kinds of stuff.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: There's plenty.
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 7: Krull.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: Krull.
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 1: Close Encounters.
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 5: Close Encounters.
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: That was a 70s film, wasn't it?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: That was that 80s? Maybe like 80.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: 80, 81.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: I don't remember.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: Anyway. That was truly transformative for me.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: Close Encounters. Yeah.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a ton.
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: Lots. So we will come back to those in the future.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 1: In the future.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 5: The dystopian future.
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: Don't forget Johnny Mnemonic.
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: Oh, I forgot all about that. We'll get to that.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: We'll get to that. If we have enough memory to
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: handle Johnny Mnemonic.
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: And of course, oh, God. What's it called with Keanu? Keanu.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 5: The Matrix was 90s.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Chain Reaction?
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: That was 90s.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: I'm going with Chain Reaction. Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 1: There you go.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 5: Is that science fiction?
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: They're traveling through time. I'd say so.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: Definitely.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: I'd say so. And we await the third installment. In
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: the future.
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 5: In the future. So anything with time travel is science fiction.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 1: Are you arguing that? I don't know. Yeah, I am.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 5: Because what's that show that everybody watches that all the
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 5: women swoon over?
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: That one for old ladies?
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 7: Yes.
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 1: Doctor Who? I only know because I used to hear
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 1: about it on a daily basis from an old lady. Right.
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 5: So is that science fiction?
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it has to be.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 5: Is it?
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 1: They're traveling through time. So, I mean, Slaughterhouse-Five is not
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: the most sci-fi look.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 5: Well, that's true.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: But it's certainly a sci-fi premise.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 5: Then is Game of Thrones sci-fi?
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: Because you have- That's fantasy.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 1: Unless they travel through time to now, like Beastmaster 2,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 1: they jump from olden times into the modern era, and then.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, it's more magic than technology.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 5: But what if it ends up that Bran is a time-traveling.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: He's a Time Lord. Yeah. Everybody's a Time Lord.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 5: Everybody's a Time Lord.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 9: I mean....
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 5: A Doctor What.
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: Doctor What?
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: Doctor What?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: Yes. Doctor What? On that note, I think we need
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: to come back in the future.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Dr.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 9: Them.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 5: Their preferred pronoun.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I'm ignoring all of this.
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: Dr.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: Them.
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 9: Yes.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: Otherwise, that about does it.
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: We will return next time. Same geek feed.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: The future.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 10: The future.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 2: The future.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: The future.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: The future.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 10: The future.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 7: The future.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 8: Well, I've been looking, looking for an answer Somebody promised
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 8: me one And I've been waiting, waiting for the chance Well,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 8: somebody said it.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 11: Would come.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 7: Wake me up when we hit.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 8: 2001 And I've been talking, talking to the maker.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: They say she's fine. Call the undertaker. You shouldn't look
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: so fast. Wake me up when we hit two thousand nine.
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 5: Wake me up when we hit.
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  Speaker 7: Two thousand nine.
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  Speaker 8: I saw my sister, saw the ones who twist her.
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  Speaker 11: A social suicide.
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  Speaker 7: The edgy thrill could be on my side.
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  Speaker 8: Wake me up when we hit 2001 Wake me up
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  Speaker 8: when we hit 2001 Oh.
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  Speaker 7: It's.
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  Speaker 8: Barely a life with a story and a mind So
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  Speaker 8: turn your.
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  Speaker 7: Video on.
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  Speaker 11: Meet me in two zero zero.
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  Speaker 7: One I've been searching, I've been searching.
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  Speaker 8: For a reason to hear them fight or fly.
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  Speaker 7: Either way, patriot or treason, it's gonna be one.
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  Speaker 8: .
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  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 11: .
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  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 11: .
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  Speaker 7: .
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  Speaker 11: .
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  Speaker 5: .
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  Speaker 1: That's just money in the bank. We just gotta get
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  Speaker 1: that together.
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  Speaker 2: What would Reanimator use as her first test subject?
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  Speaker 1: Is she in a fight with someone else? Because usually
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  Speaker 1: all of the pop and or hip hop stars have
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  Speaker 1: some sort of beef going with somebody else. So if
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  Speaker 1: she's got some sort of battle going on with some
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  Speaker 1: other pop girl, she needs to like have her, like,
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  Speaker 1: kidnapped and brought to her lab, and then she, like,
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  Speaker 1: injects her with the green glowing goo. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: who she has been for.
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  Speaker 2: Who's Rihanna's peer?
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  Speaker 1: Rihanna's nemesis.
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  Speaker 2: Who's her nemesis?
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