Latest / Cumberland Trace Church of Christ (Formerly Lehman Ave Church of Christ) / Equipped 2026: Panel Discussion: "Tough Questions from Genesis" by Todd Crayton, John Moore, and Denny Petrillo
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- 0:00Just to know about formatting, and I'm sorry if you folks in the back, you probably can't see this, but I know you can still hear us.
- 0:08I'm going to throw these questions to one of our panel participants first to give kind of a primary or beginning answer,
- 0:19and the others will feel free as they would like to add to whatever is being said.
- 0:23As we get into tough questions in Genesis, if we were to look in an order starting from the beginning of the book of Genesis,
- 0:31one of the big questions that so often comes up has to do with how literally that we take the days of creation in Genesis chapter 1.
- 0:41And so we're going to ask Todd that first question, how literally should we interpret the days of creation in Genesis chapter 1?
- 0:49And as a follow-up to that, does it matter for faith and science discussions?
- 0:55So as we look at this literally and of course as we engage with our community.
- 1:04So I just want to open this discussion of I think great important questions with a passage from the book of Hebrews in chapter 5 and verse 8.
- 1:14Though he were a son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered.
- 1:18And he became through that suffering the author of eternal salvation to all those who obey him.
- 1:24And then down in verse 11, the writer mentions of whom we have many things to say and are hard, some translations say difficult,
- 1:32to be uttered or understood. And so one of the first things I want for our audience here as well as online to know is that
- 1:40all of us as men here on this panel respect scholarship. That there is biblical as well as archaeological and geographical research
- 1:52that has been done to establish these statements by God's word as factual.
- 1:58And so when we think about questions surrounding the literal 24 hour days of creation,
- 2:06we will find on the internet and other media sources many different opinions and many different ideas surrounding it.
- 2:14But we must center our faith on that which is spoken by God. And so as the account would tell us in Genesis chapter 1,
- 2:23that God set the moon as the light over the night and the sun as the light over the day.
- 2:31And that then implies a 24 hour literal period. One of the factual things that we can reference surrounding the 24 hour day
- 2:41at the center of this question is the fact when the Hebrew word yom is used with a nominative digit,
- 2:52it exclusively applies to the literal translation of a day. Now there are of course other uses of that word,
- 3:02but beyond other conclusive scriptures that may conflict, we must then interpret that as a 24 hour period.
- 3:12I want to quote here what one writer describes, if I don't eat the microphone, there we go,
- 3:19that this 24 hour period as a general rule must be taken from the interpretation that it demands.
- 3:28And that is that this time period must be covered as a 24 hour day.
- 3:36Of course Brother Wayne Jackson writes this surrounding this particular idea,
- 3:43literally unless there is compelling reason for giving them a figurative sense.
- 3:49And so primarily we don't have any compelling reason to give this 24 hour period any other sense in the figurative
- 3:58and certainly any other use other than a 24 hour period would conflict with other scriptures biblically
- 4:06that clearly state a 24 hour period as a day and then that 24 hour period accumulating the summation as 365 days one year.
- 4:18If not, how could we know the age of each of the patriarchs?
- 4:24How could we know the age or time periods that are described even in the son of God that he was in the tomb three days?
- 4:33Now we can understand that that is figurative in the sense that it did not qualify three 24 hour periods,
- 4:39but we know what 24 hours is and what it is described as in the New Testament and comparatively in the Old.
- 4:57Amen, and I would also add what Moses says in Exodus 20 verse 11 where there he makes reference to God
- 5:06created the earth in six days and rested on the seventh day.
- 5:11The whole context of Exodus 20 is remember the Sabbath and what God was expecting from them
- 5:18and there is no way that you can read Exodus 20 verse 11 and come up with a time age theory that is proposed.
- 5:36I think part of the issue has arisen because people believe that the earth is millions and millions of years old
- 5:45and so therefore it can't be compatible with scripture.
- 5:49It also then assumes that somehow Christians are, at least who take the Bible literally,
- 5:55that they are opposed to science, but nothing could be further from the truth.
- 5:59We as Christians believe in true science. We believe in ascertaining information based on the scientific method.
- 6:06And so the question becomes then in my mind, well is there any evidence?
- 6:11Is there any other reason besides just the Bible, and of course that is good enough for me at that point,
- 6:16but to answer people who are outside of believing in scripture.
- 6:20And yes there is, and we don't have the time to go into all of this here,
- 6:24you can go to Apologetics Press, it's a great resource, and many other apologists that are out there
- 6:29that reveal that the earth is actually a young earth.
- 6:33And so we don't have to somehow try to squeeze in all those years into a so-called day age theory.
- 6:39So we're not opposed to science, we're not opposed to knowledge.
- 6:44We very much are on the side of all that and we believe that the creation model actually fits science perfectly.
- 6:51I just wanted to add one closing remark. There was an excellent lecture that was done this morning
- 6:59by Brother Caleb Colley on the theistic evolution.
- 7:03One of the things that he pointed out is if we take that theory as reality,
- 7:07it makes every event before Genesis Chapter 12 arbitrary.
- 7:14That it would just be left up to an undefined, undetermined time period.
- 7:20And that would be completely against, contradictory to everything that we accept before it,
- 7:25even that Abraham himself would be the father of many nations in the beginning of the seed promise.
- 7:33In the realm of apologetics, not everything falls into a category like we have in Genesis Chapter 1.
- 7:41Very much in the heart of difficult questions in Genesis are reflections on the character of God.
- 7:48When we think about skeptics and unbelievers, a lot of the argumentation they'll make is to disparage the character of God.
- 7:56So our next question falls in that particular vein.
- 8:00We're going to have John to take the lead on the second question.
- 8:03A question you may have often heard.
- 8:05How do we reconcile God's holiness and justice with the violence or difficult events in Genesis?
- 8:13So think about some examples of that.
- 8:15A global flood in response to sin.
- 8:18Or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
- 8:22Or the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.
- 8:25And the flames there that were destroyed.
- 8:28And so forth.
- 8:30How do we answer that?
- 8:31How do we reconcile God as presented to us in his nature, character, holiness and justice with these events?
- 8:41I would say first of all, it's a great question.
- 8:44And we don't want to be dismissive of anything.
- 8:47Sometimes I think we can be sort of callous and dismissive of that.
- 8:51Because we believe and know that we are Christians and have the truth and we can look forward to.
- 8:57But somehow someone asks a question like that and we maybe accuse them.
- 9:02And I don't think we should.
- 9:03We need to realize that they're very sincere in what they're asking.
- 9:07So how do we respond to that?
- 9:09I would say, number one, let's think about whether or not God's love and God's wrath are incompatible in and of themselves.
- 9:19I would suggest to you that true love actually demands anger and wrath.
- 9:27And I think all of us could probably relate to that.
- 9:31Have you ever...
- 9:32Well, let's just say, for example, and I use this a lot with different circles.
- 9:36But let's say that after this service was over, you went outside and maybe one of the dear sweet ladies of this congregation
- 9:43who's older and feeble on a wheelchair, maybe on a walker.
- 9:47And some young person came running up here, pushed her down.
- 9:52You know, somebody from the community.
- 9:54She hits her head on the ground.
- 9:56Blood goes everywhere.
- 9:57They run off with her purse.
- 9:59Would it anger you?
- 10:01Would it bother you?
- 10:03I think any rational person would say, absolutely that bothers me.
- 10:07That someone would do something like that to someone so helpless.
- 10:12Alright?
- 10:13So anger is a part of the natural process of who we are as individuals.
- 10:18And we recognize there are some things that we ought to get angry about.
- 10:21Injustices.
- 10:23But somehow it's wrong for God to be angry about injustice.
- 10:27That God could never punish wrongdoing when yet we in our own court systems do it all the time.
- 10:33It just doesn't seem right.
- 10:34In fact, I would suggest that if there's any conscience about us all, we would be angry about that.
- 10:39So that's number one.
- 10:40It's not incompatible.
- 10:42In fact, I think love demands it.
- 10:44But secondly, we have to ask the question, well, why did God punish an entire earth?
- 10:52Well, God's not ever whimsical and capricious.
- 10:56And we need to realize when we study through Scripture, God has carefully laid out for us
- 11:02not only a righteous plan to follow and warnings given in that regard,
- 11:10but then lots of years of patience and long suffering.
- 11:15That's what 2 Peter 3, verse 9 says, right?
- 11:17God was long suffering.
- 11:20So when we start talking about the events of the flood, does our heart break?
- 11:24Yes, just like God's heart broke.
- 11:27He's not willing that any should perish.
- 11:29He wants all to come to repentance.
- 11:31But what is it just God to do about an earth that was utterly corrupt and evil?
- 11:40I'm going to trust what the Bible says, that it must have been pretty bad, okay?
- 11:44We're not talking about a few people who maybe forgot to go, quote, to church on Sunday, right?
- 11:49That's not what we're talking about.
- 11:51We're talking about a society and a world that had become so corrupt and so evil.
- 11:55God knows, by the way, a whole lot better than I do about where that line is and when He's going to exact justice.
- 12:02So I trust Him in that.
- 12:05But realize, just as Genesis 6, I think, depending on the timetable that you look at, verse 3,
- 12:12how long did Noah preach?
- 12:15120 years!
- 12:17How many of us are in this room that patient?
- 12:22I don't think there's anybody in here.
- 12:25Much of what the Bible does, especially when people read about, for example, Jeremiah or Isaiah,
- 12:33and they see God's anger and wrath, and they kind of look at that,
- 12:36and they think about where Isaiah and Jeremiah are in the divided kingdom timeline,
- 12:41and how much time God gave His people to come back to Him.
- 12:47He did everything.
- 12:49He controlled them to come back to Him through sinning and prophets and on and on and on.
- 12:54So we must look at the totality of Scripture to see, yes, God's love and goodness, but also His severity.
- 13:02When does severity come?
- 13:04On those who rebel, and who continue to do that.
- 13:08So while, again, some of these things are difficult, look at the totality of Scripture.
- 13:12It's not incompatible.
- 13:13Realize God is extremely long-suffering.
- 13:16And number four, I'm not going to put myself in the place of God.
- 13:19He knows what He's doing.
- 13:21I trust Him.
- 13:22I do.
- 13:31I taught an online class for one of the universities
- 13:36that was specifically designed for people that went to college but didn't finish their degree,
- 13:44and now they're circling back to finish up their degree.
- 13:48Well, as it turned out, one of those persons in my class was an atheist.
- 13:53I'd never had an atheist in class before.
- 13:56And this atheist, we were studying the book of Job, made a very interesting statement.
- 14:04She said, you Christians love to run to the defense of your God.
- 14:11Your God cannot fail.
- 14:15And I thought a lot about that since she made that statement.
- 14:22Your God can't fail because you always are running to the defense of God.
- 14:27And so I appreciate the question here because it does give us the opportunity
- 14:33maybe to see the way someone on the other side that isn't coming from a Christian perspective
- 14:39is going to look at the Genesis text.
- 14:47That was me.
- 14:49But I don't know why it was me.
- 14:59So when you look at the text in Genesis,
- 15:04you see that God was not one that was impulsive, irrational.
- 15:11He demonstrated patience.
- 15:13He demonstrated opportunity for people to change their course.
- 15:18He was one that gave mercy when we think about, for example, the flood.
- 15:25You had 120 years of opportunity.
- 15:29But even in the midst of that, there were those that seized God's love and God's offer of patience.
- 15:38His judgment is one that always was purposeful,
- 15:44always was that which was an expression of the very nature of God.
- 15:51And so we might be, Christians might be accused of always running to the defense of God.
- 15:59But when someone is going to look at the portrayal of God,
- 16:07for example, in a book like Genesis,
- 16:10they've got to see, they need to see,
- 16:13and it's our job to help them see the full picture of God.
- 16:19And as John said, Romans 11-22,
- 16:22both the kindness of God,
- 16:26but there's also that flip side of God as well.
- 16:34I wanted to add one aspect.
- 16:36I really appreciate what O'Connor did mention,
- 16:40and maybe this thread will tie it together.
- 16:43One writer has said that the Bible is a narrative,
- 16:47but it is not to be taken as normative.
- 16:51In other words, the same Bible that lists the violence that happened to women,
- 16:56the violence that happened to children,
- 16:58even to the sacrificing of a child in Isaac,
- 17:01doesn't mean God agrees with child sacrifice.
- 17:05And sometimes I think critics of God want to attach those human feelings, emotions, and characteristics to Him.
- 17:14But what it actually does for us,
- 17:17to those who believe in the inspiration of God,
- 17:20is another factor about its beauty.
- 17:23God, in His inspiration, has given His word with the ring of truth.
- 17:29It means it does not have bias to say,
- 17:32we're only going to show God in this good light.
- 17:36He shows man's weaknesses,
- 17:38He shows man's severe, macabre ugliness,
- 17:41but also his beauty.
- 17:43And in that we see the relationship, maybe, between God and humanity.
- 17:50That seeing violence, and seeing some of the ugly things,
- 17:55does give us that contrasting appreciation for God's supreme beauty and goodness.
- 18:02And so, if anything, it, for us as humans,
- 18:07inspires us, it moves us to long for something above this world,
- 18:13something good and supreme,
- 18:15not tainted by the things of a humanistic nature.
- 18:23It's interesting that, Mike, the problem of evil and suffering,
- 18:27is based on moral argument,
- 18:29which takes us to the moral standard,
- 18:32and so we're driven back to God even in that.
- 18:34I appreciate you being up for the final lecture today.
- 18:37Alongside of this, and I think one of the large categories of issues that can be had,
- 18:44that would see Genesis as a difficult, or having these difficult dilemmas,
- 18:49is, we're going to ask Denny about,
- 18:51kind of similar in its overall nature to the question previous.
- 18:56Denny, why would God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden?
- 19:00We read about that in Genesis 2, verse 15-17.
- 19:05And a very important follow-up to that is,
- 19:07was he setting humanity up to fail?
- 19:10Someone might say, was he trying to trick us,
- 19:12before ordaining that fall?
- 19:14So, Howard, would you like to address that?
- 19:22I'd like to address that by passing the microphone on to John.
- 19:31The short answer is, no.
- 19:34God was not setting humanity up to fail.
- 19:38Because the tree is that which established real moral freedom.
- 19:44Provided the opportunity for that moral freedom.
- 19:49Now, the way I look at it, there were four purposes of the tree.
- 19:55First of all, was to establish genuine devotion.
- 20:00To establish genuine devotion.
- 20:02Love without choice is not really love.
- 20:05Secondly, trust.
- 20:08The command to obey regarding that tree,
- 20:14invited humans to trust God.
- 20:18To trust his wisdom over their own.
- 20:21To trust if God really was going to be their God.
- 20:30And I guess, related to that,
- 20:33is it really trust if there's no alternative?
- 20:37If that's the only choice, then how is trust really established?
- 20:42And then third, establishing moral boundaries.
- 20:47The boundaries of good, evil, right and wrong.
- 20:52And the tree was that which needed to function in order to establish those moral boundaries.
- 20:59Even in paradise, God had to establish what was good and what was not good.
- 21:05And then fourth, is defining roles.
- 21:09Humans don't make the rules. God does.
- 21:12And Adam and Eve needed to learn, and all of humanity since then,
- 21:16that he's in charge, we're not.
- 21:19He's the one that establishes the rules,
- 21:22and there it's our responsibility then,
- 21:25if we are genuinely following God,
- 21:29to submit to those rules.
- 21:31And so the tree was not a trap.
- 21:34It was that which was the context to establish genuine love,
- 21:38devotion, the role of God in his position with humanity.
- 21:49Maybe we can see the tree of the knowledge of good and evil
- 21:53in an indirect sense in the account of Abel and Cain.
- 21:59Note that when Cain's offering was refused by God,
- 22:04it wasn't left as in, that's just the way I plan it.
- 22:08He went to Cain and said,
- 22:10why is your confidence falling to King James?
- 22:14Sin is waiting, crouching at the door, waiting to devour you,
- 22:18but you must master it.
- 22:21Just by that statement it implies, we have a choice.
- 22:25We are not given to our impulses.
- 22:28We are not given to the response that he saw in Cain,
- 22:32which was, why did you do this to me?
- 22:35Instead of rejecting Abel,
- 22:38because in his mind, we are evil.
- 22:42But God sets the standard.
- 22:44And that's so good, what Brother David mentioned,
- 22:46for what is acceptable to him.
- 22:49But certainly it is clearly implied,
- 22:52he gives us also instruction on how to offer what pleases him.
- 22:57And so I just really think we can take away from that
- 23:01this complete refusal that God set us up.
- 23:05If anything, he gave us the circumstances
- 23:09so that we can show the very best of ourselves again.
- 23:18I think two things.
- 23:19One is, basically it was required, right?
- 23:22If God truly loved, he had to do it.
- 23:24Give him a choice.
- 23:26But secondly, and I see this over and over again,
- 23:30through Scripture, is that God gave plenty of warning.
- 23:35And I mentioned the Kings, and going through the Chronicles,
- 23:39and even when Kings saw all that,
- 23:42you think about God's punishment.
- 23:45But we forget to read Kings, 1 Kings,
- 23:49in light of Deuteronomy.
- 23:51God carefully laid out a law,
- 23:53and he warned them about what would happen,
- 23:56and gave them this information about the blessings
- 23:59and the cursings, that they were to recite.
- 24:02And so Deuteronomy is very much a part of that.
- 24:04Well, I see the same thing with what we're talking about here, right?
- 24:07This is the God that we serve,
- 24:09a God that's going to do always right,
- 24:12and that he's going to warn us because he cares about us.
- 24:15So, instead of it being a trap,
- 24:18it's actually a reflection of the beauty and the greatness of God.
- 24:23We've been laid out as to when we got through these first three questions.
- 24:27You've done a thorough job,
- 24:29and that leaves us a little bit of time at least to handle one more.
- 24:32Not all the difficult questions in the book of Genesis
- 24:35center around something controversial,
- 24:37but there's sometimes a reconciliation between our humanity and God's perfection.
- 24:42And how do we wrestle through that as we live life every day?
- 24:46One of the questions that we have is,
- 24:49Genesis shows humanity's sin alongside of God's promises.
- 24:56How do we understand God's faithfulness in the midst of human failure?
- 25:01While man is continually falling short and not meeting his side of things,
- 25:07how do we understand God's faithfulness in light of that?
- 25:10I don't know which one of you want to begin.
- 25:12Whoever, take your pass and take it, keep it.
- 25:16One of the things that I think, as far as God's faithfulness,
- 25:25is in reference to Jesus himself.
- 25:30That the idea that Jesus came, Philippians chapter 2,
- 25:35and verses 3 down to verse 5,
- 25:39he emptied himself and took the form of a servant.
- 25:43That he came not to be served, but to serve.
- 25:47That he shows us an idea about God's faithfulness toward man.
- 25:53And the fact that many times we look at God as human beings,
- 25:58and we look at him in these terms of,
- 26:02well, you promised this, and it's never come to fruition.
- 26:08And the Genesis record, to me, really helps us to look into the life of these patriarchs.
- 26:15Even at the beginning of Genesis 11, verse 10, with Abraham choosing.
- 26:20I mean, 14, verse 13, with Abraham choosing.
- 26:23But before him, 11, 10, with Shem.
- 26:25And in each of these generations, they showed their sense of impatience with God.
- 26:34When it comes to the sin of Sarah.
- 26:37Later, when it comes to the overwhelming picture of endurance,
- 26:44and long-sufferingness with God in the life of Joseph.
- 26:48Receiving that dream at 17 years old.
- 26:51And then 30, at the age of 30, being in that position, second in the kingdom to Pharaoh.
- 27:00But that period of time for him was long.
- 27:05From each of the aspects of him saying,
- 27:08Lord, when am I going to be able to rule over my brethren?
- 27:11I can read that thinking that.
- 27:13But what we can take away from it, as Christians,
- 27:17is that God is so patient toward us.
- 27:21And although the window that we're looking into in our lives,
- 27:25we see one picture.
- 27:27God sees the whole house.
- 27:29He sees everything that is going to happen.
- 27:32And for those that are faithful, Hebrews chapter 6,
- 27:35God is not slack to forget any of our kindnesses.
- 27:41He will reward every act of goodness that we have done.
- 27:45And so that gives us assurance.
- 27:47To know that every prayer, every time of faithfulness,
- 27:50every time I chose to obey God,
- 27:53and to endure temptation, and to resist sin,
- 27:57God is remembering those things.
- 27:59And so that should be a comfort for us.
- 28:05I really appreciate the question,
- 28:07because it gives us an opportunity to maybe take a step back
- 28:12and look at the book of Genesis as a whole,
- 28:17because it basically is a textbook on the very nature of God,
- 28:23and God's dealing with humanity,
- 28:26and how this book has kind of a cycle.
- 28:30And if you think about it from the perspective of a cycle,
- 28:34you see the failures of man,
- 28:37but yet a divine response of grace and mercy.
- 28:43You've got Adam failing, but God promises a deliverer.
- 28:48He still demonstrates love to them.
- 28:53Cain sins, God ends up protecting him.
- 28:56You have humanity collapsing,
- 28:58but God is that who saves and preserves Noah and his family.
- 29:03You have Abraham faltering,
- 29:05but God still comes through with his covenant promise.
- 29:10You have Jacob and his deception,
- 29:13but God still advances his promise.
- 29:17You have the mistreatment of Joseph,
- 29:20but God uses it for good to bring about salvation of the descendants of Israel.
- 29:28Constantly in the book of Genesis,
- 29:30we're seeing how God is working within the failures of mankind
- 29:36in order to advance the ultimate good of people.
- 29:39And if we're going to take away something from Genesis,
- 29:43that would be one of them,
- 29:45is that I kind of fit into the narrative with my own failures,
- 29:50and I can see just how God is always ready to respond
- 29:57with a promise of love, of forgiveness, of compassion,
- 30:02and that's a wonderful takeaway for us today.
- 30:05The question, I guess, in some ways,
- 30:15I've kind of struggled with just a bit,
- 30:17but to rephrase it again,
- 30:19how do we understand God's faithfulness in the midst of human failure?
- 30:24Well, I feel like that, number one,
- 30:28that Genesis records human behavior as it actually occurred.
- 30:36I think about some of the stories from Roman Greek history
- 30:41and the mythological basis for their heroes.
- 30:46Men tend to glorify the heroes, right,
- 30:49and only condemn the villains.
- 30:51And yet the heroes in Scripture,
- 30:53especially as we're studying through Genesis,
- 30:56the Bible tells us just like it is.
- 30:58So that makes me realize,
- 30:59okay, this is a believable story.
- 31:02I can trust God, His faithfulness,
- 31:04because He's not going to whitewash over the sins
- 31:08of the people that He's telling us are exemplars of faith.
- 31:13So that's number one I think about,
- 31:15is that why I can trust God's faithfulness in the light of all this
- 31:19is because Scripture tells it just like it is.
- 31:23And then secondly,
- 31:25I'm thankful that it tells it just like it is
- 31:27because I can relate to it, right?
- 31:30I can identify with it.
- 31:32And that makes me love God all the more
- 31:34because how many of us can see ourselves in the shoes of Abraham
- 31:39who, I trust you God,
- 31:42but I'm going to maybe tell King Abimelech here that,
- 31:45yes, here's my sister, you know.
- 31:48I know what you said, God,
- 31:50about that you're going to give me a son,
- 31:52but I think maybe Eleazar is going to be the way to do it,
- 31:56or maybe a handmaid through Hagar or something like that.
- 32:00I'm going to work it out on my own,
- 32:02and we can really identify with that.
- 32:05And yet, when I read that,
- 32:08and I see just as y'all have spoken about,
- 32:10that God continues to teach, to learn, to mold,
- 32:14to shape those people
- 32:17with all of their quirks and all of their sinfulness,
- 32:22I can see myself there as well.
- 32:25And I'm thankful that God is patient with me.
- 32:29He's a good God.
- 32:31He is faithful and keeps His promises.
- 32:35And Genesis stresses this,
- 32:37He is a covenant maker and a covenant keeper.
- 32:41His faithfulness.
- 32:45The wisdom of this panel discussion is
- 32:47we have in one somewhat deliberately broad question
- 32:52three wonderful perspectives.
- 32:54You see the weaving together of this idea of the scheme of redemption,
- 32:58that's not just a Genesis question, that's a Bible question,
- 33:01where we see these same figures, not hidden but exposed,
- 33:05to show us that God, the perfect God,
- 33:08is working out a perfect plan to make perfect people.
- 33:11Genesis is a wonderful foundational microcosm of that very fact.
- 33:15And I know Paul had a different point in 2 Timothy 2.13
- 33:19when he speaks about a reminder for us
- 33:21that even if we're faithless, God remains faithful.
- 33:24And we certainly see that in some of the major epics
- 33:27of the narrative of the book of Genesis.
- 33:30Guys, we have about five or six minutes to hit one more,
- 33:33and I'd like to do that.
- 33:35We have set a new record for the discussion forum
- 33:37to have five whole questions.
- 33:40I'll refrain from that.
- 33:42So let me kind of have it in the same philosophical vein
- 33:46and ask this one.
- 33:48God's covenant promise often seems long-term and distant.
- 33:52How do we maintain trust in God's promises when results aren't immediate?
- 33:58That's a Genesis study, but it's a real-life study that we deal with every day.
- 34:02Who wants to start?
- 34:05Just thinking about people like Joseph.
- 34:10So 17 years was the season.
- 34:15How many years was it?
- 34:16Twenty years, I guess, for the time his brothers came back.
- 34:19Twenty years he was away from home.
- 34:22It takes time for things to be fulfilled in God's view
- 34:28of how he wants to work it out.
- 34:30A day is a thousand years, a thousand years is one day with God.
- 34:33He doesn't see it like we see it.
- 34:36And one of the questions that sometimes comes up,
- 34:39even in Genesis and related to this, is,
- 34:41well, why didn't God just send his son right away?
- 34:45Why do we have to wait all these thousands of years before he sent his son?
- 34:50And one of the illustrations I'd like to give has to do with this phone right here.
- 34:55I mean, can you imagine 300 years ago,
- 34:57someone dropping this phone out of the sky to our president, George Washington?
- 35:02What's he going to do with it?
- 35:04He has no concept, no idea what electricity is.
- 35:08I mean, is he going to look at it like a mirror?
- 35:10There's a foundation that has to be laid first
- 35:13in terms of knowledge and information before we can even get to this
- 35:17and use it properly and fully understand it.
- 35:20So what about God's redemptive plan?
- 35:25It took time.
- 35:27Things had to be laid out.
- 35:28Sacrifice, covenant, blood sacrifice, all of that, faith building,
- 35:33laying a foundation before we could get to the fulfillment
- 35:37of what God intended to bless humanity with.
- 35:41Can that not be said of every one of us in this room?
- 35:46We want things right away.
- 35:48Well, no.
- 35:49But God's on a different timetable.
- 35:51God has a different plan.
- 35:52And there's a lot that has to be laid out sometime
- 35:56before we get to the point where we come to truly love God the way we should.
- 36:04Maybe it takes a crisis in our life to wake us up, to get us to that point.
- 36:11And so I don't know if that answers the question
- 36:13or not unless it's kind of what comes to my mind.
- 36:15But if he does, I'm sure he gets what's coming.
- 36:19I can't help but think, because of one of our audience members here,
- 36:25looking in his eyes makes me think of this great sermon,
- 36:30Don't Curse Your Crisis.
- 36:32And from the book of Hebrews, the Hebrews writer says in chapter 5, verse 12,
- 36:38though by this time you ought to be teachers,
- 36:42you'd have needed someone to teach you again the basic principles
- 36:46of the oracles of God.
- 36:49I look at that verse and I think about where I started as a new Christian.
- 36:53And what I encourage every new Christian,
- 36:56when they have that wonderful moment of obeying the gospel,
- 37:00that they are starting on a lifelong journey.
- 37:04Don't measure their life by the next six weeks.
- 37:07Everyone will give you advice on what you need to do.
- 37:11But there's a reason why we're going to pray
- 37:13and we're going to wrap our arms in love around you
- 37:16to keep you from Satan, to protect you from temptation,
- 37:20that hope you to grow as a newborn baby.
- 37:23Because all of us have those faith struggles.
- 37:26All of us have those moments where those crises just overwhelm us.
- 37:31But we need them. We need them to make us stronger,
- 37:34to prepare us for the future, to mature us.
- 37:37And I'm just so thankful to be around men like this
- 37:41whose scholarship and whose faithfulness
- 37:44are not only an example to new Christians,
- 37:48but also to all of us, wherever we are in our faith,
- 37:51to continue to let the lessons that God allows
- 37:56to help us to lean more on him and not on ourselves.
- 38:02Amen.
- 38:06Genesis really is a great study in the importance of waiting.
- 38:12When you think about how God making these statements
- 38:16or these covenant promises,
- 38:18that the fulfillment of these things are going to take time.
- 38:21We think about the number of years Abraham had to wait for Isaac.
- 38:25We already talked about the length of time for Joseph
- 38:30waiting for the situation to pan out with his dreams,
- 38:36which were accurate,
- 38:38but they didn't become fulfilled immediately.
- 38:41They had to plan themselves out.
- 38:44Remember the discussion that God had with Abraham in Genesis 15
- 38:49about the land and how your descendants are going to have the land?
- 38:53God says, by the way, it's going to be over 400 years.
- 38:56Like, what?
- 38:58So, we're constantly waiting.
- 39:012 Peter 3, where's the promise of his coming?
- 39:04For ever since the father fell asleep,
- 39:06all continues just as it was from the beginning.
- 39:09For when they maintain this, it escapes their notice,
- 39:12that by the word of God, the heavens existed long ago,
- 39:15the earth was formed out of water and through water.
- 39:19So, even in the New Testament,
- 39:22you have this same struggle that people have with time.
- 39:27And that things should have happened sooner.
- 39:30Things should have happened more quickly.
- 39:32And I often chuckle when I think about that passage in 2 Peter 3.
- 39:37If Peter knew that 2,000 years later,
- 39:40we're still waiting for the fulfillment of that promise.
- 39:44But we are waiting and we live our lives with faith,
- 39:49but it's going to happen.
- 39:51And so, it's the exercise of our faith by waiting on God's promises.
- 39:56God's promises, amen.
- 40:02Now, surely we can stop at the wisdom down there.
- 40:06Oh yeah, we're really just summarizing here.
- 40:12Genesis is a book that's so diverse, as we have seen.
- 40:15We have looked intentionally at different areas,
- 40:18at areas where folks struggled with,
- 40:22either the nature of God, the consistency of who God is,
- 40:26what the Bible says versus what man says in any given age.
- 40:30And the wonderful summation of this last question that these men have said
- 40:34is that our God has a track record.
- 40:37And we, as we look ahead at what's yet to be fulfilled,
- 40:41much of human history, those promises have been fulfilled.
- 40:45It's a great personal study sometimes to go through the Bible
- 40:48and look at all the statements that speak of the truth
- 40:51that God is faithful.
- 40:53And so, what he has done in Genesis is a great forum to look into that.
- 40:58As we see his faithfulness there, we know that based on that
- 41:02we can trust him for what's yet to be.
- 41:05We appreciate very much your being here.
- 41:07We're going to ask Sam Wilkins, if you will,
- 41:10to leave us in a word of closing prayer.
- 41:12And then we have a 3.30 session.
- 41:14We're going to continue the book of Genesis in the auditorium.
- 41:17I believe we have another ladies' session in here.
- 41:19And then we have a leadership session in room 116.
- 41:23So, I hope you'll avail yourself of one of those.
- 41:25And we'll have our dinner break to meet back again all together at 6 o'clock
- 41:30as Andy Baker leads us again in singing.
- 41:32So, Sam, if you'll leave us in a word of prayer as you close.
- 41:36Our Father in heaven, we are very grateful for this time
- 41:39that we've been able to spend together.
- 41:41May we continue to study thy word and drink deeply
- 41:45even through the difficult passages that we face.
- 41:49But, Father, we are grateful for all that we are able to glean
- 41:53about your character and your faithfulness.
- 41:56And, Father, may we strive to be faithful to you
- 42:00as a result of your love for us.
- 42:02Bless this time together.
- 42:04In Jesus' holy name we pray.
- 42:06Amen.