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Diddy's 'Tootsie Roll' Revealed, Cassie Cross-Exam · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Shawn Combs, Diddy's TUTSI role
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Speaker 1: revealed as Cassie Ventira on cross examination all day.
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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being.
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Speaker 3: With us, black Eyes, bat Lists, mouthsreds many UTI's she
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Speaker 3: was expected to go through with these freakoffs, and I
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Speaker 3: think many of us watching here all feel the same way.
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Speaker 2: I mean justice for Cassie.
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Speaker 1: Nancy joining us at the courthouse, having sat through testimony
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Speaker 1: all day. Investigative reporter co host Pop Crime TV Lauren Colin, Lauren,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. I cannot believe Lauren
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Speaker 1: Colin that one of the questions that was solicited testimony
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Speaker 1: from Cassie on cross exam was where Shawn comes Diddy
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Speaker 1: actually claims that hotel beat.
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Speaker 2: Down of Cassie Ventura his career.
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Speaker 1: That's their takeaway from him beating her to an answer
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Speaker 1: for life that Hey, didn't you know this is going
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Speaker 1: to ruin his career?
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Speaker 2: Seriously?
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Speaker 4: Yes.
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Speaker 5: The defense kind of honed in on the fact of
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Speaker 5: her her lawsuit as well her twenty twenty three lawsuit.
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Speaker 5: They asked her on the stand, well, what do you
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Speaker 5: think happened to Sean Palms's career after you filed this lawsuit.
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Speaker 5: There were some objections, but initially Cassie had to testify that, Yeah,
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Speaker 5: it didn't help, but that was a pretty incredible moment. Nancy, whoa, whoa, wha.
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Speaker 1: Why woa why you mean the state did not stand
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Speaker 1: up that moment and object the answering what's wrong with them?
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Speaker 5: Well, they objected, and then the defense had to rephrase
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Speaker 5: the question a few times. And it seems like that's
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Speaker 5: happening a lot here. It's state of mind versus that
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Speaker 5: seems to be the theme. So there are a lot
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Speaker 5: of objections, a lot of sidebars over this evidence, specifically
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Speaker 5: the evidence of text messages and emails.
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Speaker 2: Oh my stars.
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Speaker 1: In just a moment, I'm going to go to high
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Speaker 1: profile larrior Greg Morse, because if you want to be
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Speaker 1: a trial lawyer, you've got to be like a gunslinger
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Speaker 1: and the Wild West and have split second timing, because
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Speaker 1: you have to object the minute that question comes out
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Speaker 1: of the other side's mouth before your witness can answer.
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Speaker 1: That's the whole point, you know, let the answer start
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Speaker 1: and let the questions sink into the jury. No, oh,
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Speaker 1: they're slow on the draw, Okay, give me the highlights
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Speaker 1: of what's happening with Cassie material on the stand.
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Speaker 5: Yes, Cassy event Tura during cross examination. I feel like
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Speaker 5: the defense is being gentle. She's being cross examined by
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Speaker 5: one of Diddy's attorneys, Anna Estavea, And when I say
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Speaker 5: that she's being gentle, they actually are sharing a few
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Speaker 5: laugh on the stand when Cassie saw a two thousand
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Speaker 5: and seven email that she wrote Diddy. But essentially what
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Speaker 5: we're seeing our emails of Cassie saying that she would
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Speaker 5: do a freak off at any point with him, and
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Speaker 5: these emails are coming in about two and a half
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Speaker 5: years after their relationship. There's also talk about how she
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Speaker 5: would quote travel anywhere for him, do anything for him. Again,
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Speaker 5: about two years into their relationship, when she testified during
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Speaker 5: direct that she was being abused during this time and
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Speaker 5: she didn't want to do freak offs. Additionally, during direct
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Speaker 5: she testified that she would be forced to do these
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Speaker 5: freakofts during her period. Well, the defense showed us text
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Speaker 5: messages today about did Hey asking her about when her
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Speaker 5: period was for the purpose of fo planning. Additionally, they
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Speaker 5: are showing pictures of Cassie texting Diddy getting off jets
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Speaker 5: after an fo weekend, saying I had a great.
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Speaker 1: Time hold on back it at just a minute, Lauren
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Speaker 1: Collin joining me for the courthouse. So there were tech
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Speaker 1: shown to the jury where Shawn Comb's definite Shawn Combs
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Speaker 1: asked Lauren asked Cassie about her period as it relates
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Speaker 1: to planning freak offs. At any point in those texts,
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Speaker 1: did he Shawn Combs say, oh, okay, we won't have
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Speaker 1: a freak off that week.
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Speaker 2: Did that happen?
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Speaker 5: She did not say no, we won't have a freak off,
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Speaker 5: But Cassie's response was that she was going to miss
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Speaker 5: her period that month.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm curious about what the state's going to
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Speaker 1: do with that because they left it hanging. He's not
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Speaker 1: offering not to have a freak off during her period.
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Speaker 2: How do I know he didn't plan the.
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Speaker 1: Freak off specifically because she was having a period.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: After all, I've heard that's possible. Okay, back to you, Lauren,
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Speaker 1: what else happened?
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Speaker 5: So I want to tell you also what seems to
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Speaker 5: be relevant for the defense or what they're trying to
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Speaker 5: prove is Shawn Holmes's alleged opioid ad They are asking Cassie,
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Speaker 5: did you think or did you know he was addicted
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Speaker 5: to opioids? And she said, yes, he told me. And
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Speaker 5: then they go on to say, well, don't you think
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Speaker 5: that you know, when he was coming down from opioids
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Speaker 5: or when he was withdrawing, he was a bit more volatile.
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Speaker 5: In my opinion, they are really pushing this that you know,
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Speaker 5: when he was withdrawing from drugs, that's when he was violent,
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Speaker 5: and that's why he was violent.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what I guess they're forgetting with all that legal
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Speaker 1: power on the defense team is that drugs and alcohol,
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Speaker 1: voluntary use with drugs for alcohol are never a defense. Okay,
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Speaker 1: back to what she is saying on the stand. Tell
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Speaker 1: me how she's looked on the stand so far on
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Speaker 1: cross examination?
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Speaker 5: Well, like like that the said she shared some laughs
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Speaker 5: with Anna Estevea, and she does appear relaxed, and she's
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Speaker 5: handling it so well. I mean, again, she's eight and
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Speaker 5: a half months pregnant, and you know she's she's very calm,
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Speaker 5: her demeanor is poised, and Anna Savea has even said
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Speaker 5: to Cassie, look, because again, Nancy, we have heard and
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Speaker 5: seen some very explicit text messages and emails from Ditty
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Speaker 5: and Cassie to each other, and Svea is saying, look,
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Speaker 5: if you don't want to read these, you don't have to.
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Speaker 5: And Nancy, they are very graphic. We're hearing a lot
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Speaker 5: that maybe I did not need to hear. Additionally, Cassie
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Speaker 5: is showing that she is being open and honest with
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Speaker 5: her communication with Ditty, sending him paragraphs about how she
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Speaker 5: feeled about freak offs. But in this particular paragraph or email,
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Speaker 5: she's saying, look, I don't know if I want to
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Speaker 5: do it because I feel like that's all I'm good for.
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Speaker 5: So the defense is showing us that, hey, Cassie, you
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Speaker 5: are open and honest with Ditty, but you know, you're
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Speaker 5: saying that you couldn't be at a certain point. So
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Speaker 5: it's you know, again, it's early, and I feel like
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Speaker 5: the cross examination is going to last about two days now.
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Speaker 1: I understand that at Combs's lawyer is seemingly suggesting that
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Speaker 1: the freak coughs that he kind of forced her to
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Speaker 1: participate and we're simply part of a swinger lifestyle. But
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Speaker 1: Ventura is pretty strong on the stand, stating that a
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Speaker 1: swinger lifestyle is very different than forcing her to be
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Speaker 1: in freak Costs practically every week of their multi year relationship.
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Speaker 5: Yes, and Cassie testified yesterday also that she didn't want
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Speaker 5: to be a swinger because she didn't really want to
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Speaker 5: see Holmes with another woman. However, today we saw a
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Speaker 5: message exchange from Cassie to Diddy where she said that
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Speaker 5: she wants to see him with another woman as part
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Speaker 5: of this fantasy. And I'm paraphrasing, but I think a
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Speaker 5: lot of us were like, oh, okay, that's not great,
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Speaker 5: and we're actually we're seeing a lot of that, a
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Speaker 5: lot of contradictions with the period with the talk of
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Speaker 5: another woman. And I believe that they are showing pictures
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Speaker 5: of Cassie and Diddy getting off airplanes after freak Off
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Speaker 5: weekends to negate the trafficking charges.
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Speaker 1: Okay, you know, a close look at the law will
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Speaker 1: ne gate that that premise they're trying to advance. But
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Speaker 1: I'm really curious about the free coughs and about them
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Speaker 1: pressing Cassie Ventira on the stand on cross examination about
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, as if the lawsuit was all her fault,
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Speaker 1: that there was no basis to the lawsuit how did
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira hold up when they were grilling her about
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Speaker 1: the lawsuit, the twenty million dollar lawsuit.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, she was great.
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Speaker 5: She seemed unphased, unaffected, poised, and she you know, she
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Speaker 5: admitted after Siveya had to rephrase the question a few
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Speaker 5: times that yeah, the lawsuit that she filed did not
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Speaker 5: help his career.
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Speaker 1: And isn't it true Lauren Colin that in one email
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Speaker 1: they presented to her on cross examination, she was very,
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Speaker 1: very young, and she was describing how grateful she was
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Speaker 1: to Shawn Combs helping her get a leg up in
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Speaker 1: the music industry.
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Speaker 2: And she started laughing. She goes, yeah, I was really young, man.
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Speaker 5: Yes, absolutely, But she also pointed out that during the
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Speaker 5: time that she met Sean Colmes, she had her own money,
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Speaker 5: she was successful in her own right with modeling, and
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Speaker 5: she was dating a man named Ryan Leslie who was
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Speaker 5: a music producer who helped her out a lot, and
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Speaker 5: he was actually the one that introduced her to Diddy. Now,
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Speaker 5: the defense, you know, they made a point to say, well,
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Speaker 5: miss Ventura, wasn't Ryan Leslie ten years older than you?
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Speaker 5: Because Cassie did say on the stand numerous times Shawn
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Speaker 5: Holmes is seventeen years older than her. She you know,
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Speaker 5: alluded to the fact that she was taken advantage of.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, they had to point out, while you've dated
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Speaker 5: older men before.
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Speaker 1: Crime Stores with Nancy Grace, in addition to Lauren Colin
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Speaker 1: joining us at the courthouse and Sydney Sumner also covering
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Speaker 1: the trials straight out to doctor Bethany Marshall joining us,
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Speaker 1: renown psychoanalysts out of la author of deal Breakers. You
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Speaker 1: can see her on Peacock Now and find her at
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Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Bethany Marshall having worked with
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Speaker 1: battered women for decades, including on the hotline at the
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Speaker 1: Battered Women's Center and representing them in court once.
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Speaker 2: The case turned into a felony.
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Speaker 1: Very often female victims are full of contradictions. For instance,
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Speaker 1: they try to go along with what the abuser wants
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Speaker 1: them to do. They play along, They don't tell their
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Speaker 1: friends or their family they're getting beaten or abused.
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Speaker 2: They act like they are amenable to much of the abuse.
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Speaker 2: But there are reasons for that, and it's really hard
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Speaker 2: to understand it. Explain well.
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Speaker 6: What I hear in the testimony this morning is that
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Speaker 6: there's a young girl who's very very much in love
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Speaker 6: with the perpetrator, and she believes this is a real
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Speaker 6: love relationship, so she's.
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Speaker 2: Trying to hang on to the love.
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Speaker 6: She doesn't realize she's being sex trafficked, and that at
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Speaker 6: first she doesn't, so all of his malevolence, his antagonism,
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Speaker 6: his abuse really makes her double down and want his
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Speaker 6: love even more. And research shows that the more tenuous
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Speaker 6: and attachment is, the more the woman will try to
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Speaker 6: hold on to.
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Speaker 2: The loved object. So I hear her just.
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Speaker 6: Placating him and fending off abuse and trying to make
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Speaker 6: sure that she's in his good graces because she's harboring
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Speaker 6: the illusion that she might be important to him someday
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Speaker 6: joining me.
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Speaker 1: In addition to doctor Bethony Marshall, special guest Rob Shooter,
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Speaker 1: hosts of Naughty but Nice podcast, former publicist to Sean Combs,
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Speaker 1: and author of the.
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Speaker 2: Four Word Answer.
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Speaker 1: You know him very well and saw many of his
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Speaker 1: mood swings. And that's certainly euphemistic putting perfume on the
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Speaker 1: pig there.
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Speaker 2: Did you ever see the bad side of Diddy?
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Speaker 7: I saw the bad side of Diddy. I saw a
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Speaker 7: grumpy and angry, aggressive side of Diddy. I didn't see
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Speaker 7: a side of Diddy that I'm seeing right now. Though
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Speaker 7: on in this trial is horrifying, the details, the texts,
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Speaker 7: the intimate conversations. But I did see, let me say, Nancy,
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Speaker 7: I saw a really good side of Diddy. And that's
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Speaker 7: what makes this so complicated for everybody involved. He's arguably
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Speaker 7: one of the most charming people I have ever met.
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Speaker 7: He can turn it on, he can play the game,
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Speaker 7: and that's why people like Cassie was under his spell
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Speaker 7: for so long.
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Speaker 2: You know what, Rubs here?
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Speaker 1: You know what you just reminded me of When I
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Speaker 1: was working the hotline on the batter Women's Center, we
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Speaker 1: had a frequent caller and I'm not going to say
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Speaker 1: what jurisdiction from where she was calling, but guess who
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Speaker 1: her husband was, the mayor.
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Speaker 2: The mayor Gregarius charming.
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Speaker 1: Many people thought he was good looking. I didn't, but
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Speaker 1: we heard it over and over and over. Right, So,
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Speaker 1: just because you see a charming side and the world
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Speaker 1: sees a charming side, does not mean that he's actually charming.
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Speaker 1: You know, help me verbalize this, doctor Bethony Marshall.
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Speaker 6: Okay, so if you look at the Diagnostic and Statistical
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Speaker 6: Manual of Mental disorders under.
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Speaker 1: Sociophies, those side things like that the diagnostic statistic what
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Speaker 1: breaking dictoria?
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Speaker 6: Okay, the criteria for sociopathy. One of the criteria is
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Speaker 6: that the individual has a thin veneer of affability and
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Speaker 6: sociability that hides a cold, calculated interior. So they are
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Speaker 6: very charming as long as they're getting the way their way,
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Speaker 6: and the minute somebody crosses them or fails to gratify.
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Speaker 2: Them, they become vicious.
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Speaker 1: You know, I was analyzing what she was saying on
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Speaker 1: the stand today, Cassie Ventiro on cross examination throughout.
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Speaker 2: The day and it ain't over yet.
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Speaker 1: She talks about unpredictable behavior of Sean Comb's, how he
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Speaker 1: would hit her for simply making the quote wrong face
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Speaker 1: or quote talking back to him. Okay, that's weird, Like
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Speaker 1: he's her grandpa. And as a matter of fact, he
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Speaker 1: asked her, well it was her nickname for her grandpa,
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Speaker 1: and she said pop Pop, and then he insisted she
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Speaker 1: call him by her grandfather's name.
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Speaker 2: Okay, you know what.
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Speaker 1: Sadly, Sigmund Freud is dead, he's not here to analyze
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Speaker 1: that weirdness. But going forward, Cassie vent Tira has broken
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Speaker 1: down on the stand as she described how he would
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Speaker 1: quote become a different person, that his eyes would just
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Speaker 1: quote go black, and that quote the version I was
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Speaker 1: in love with no longer there. The duality of comes shooter.
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Speaker 1: Is that hard for you to believe what she's saying?
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Speaker 7: No, I believe every word that she's saying. But I
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Speaker 7: also to understand why she stayed with him. And this
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Speaker 7: is what his lawyers did.
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Speaker 1: His lawyers, Oh, haven't you heard the shrink explain why battered.
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Speaker 2: Women stay in it?
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Speaker 1: But you know what, I got to hit a tea shooter,
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Speaker 1: knowing what I know, having been trained in it, trying
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Speaker 1: cases about it.
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Speaker 2: I sometimes look at the woman thinking, couldn't you just leave?
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Speaker 1: But it's so much more complicated, rob Okay, go ahead, Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 7: And let's hope the jury understands this.
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Speaker 2: Nancy.
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Speaker 7: You might understand it. I might understand it. Your audience
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Speaker 7: might understand it. But all that matters are those twelve
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Speaker 7: people sitting there and the reason did his lawyers are
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Speaker 7: doing this? It works, Nancy, It really does work if
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Speaker 7: they can put some sort of shred of doubt into
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Speaker 7: their mind about she stayed for money, or he did
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Speaker 7: a lot for her, or is she really telling the truth.
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Speaker 7: If they can do that, he might get off.
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Speaker 1: She would be drugged in order to perform the freak offs.
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Speaker 5: We are learning about what a vile human did. He
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Speaker 5: is as if we didn't already know. She did break
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Speaker 5: down on the stand a few times. It is heartbreaking
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Speaker 5: and just painful to listen to.
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Speaker 2: Vile.
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Speaker 1: Yes, but he's not here trying to be crowned miscongeniality. Okay,
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Speaker 1: this is a felony, multi count indictment by the Feds,
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Speaker 1: and I'm wondering straight out to a veteran trial lawyer,
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Speaker 1: Greg Morse joining me out of Palm Beach criminal Defense
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Speaker 1: attorney of Morse Legal and author of the Untested on Amazon, Morse,
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about the actual charges here, and he's not
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Speaker 1: charged with domestic abuse, and I'm wondering, I'm just wondering
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Speaker 1: if part of that is by plan. You just heard
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, right, and everyman that actually knows Sean Combs.
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Speaker 1: If the jury is left thinking, wow, did she stay
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Speaker 1: in that willingly? Was that her decision to endure all that,
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Speaker 1: even though we see with our own eyes her being
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Speaker 1: beaten and dragged back to a free cof she's trying
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Speaker 1: to get away from.
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Speaker 2: Those issues could linger. But what they're going for the gold, the.
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Speaker 1: Gold right is the sex trafficking and the reco charges,
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Speaker 1: because those charges.
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Speaker 2: Are the meat of this indictment.
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Speaker 1: Those charges carry the biggest penalties, and all the state
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Speaker 1: has to prove is that Sean Combs was in a
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Speaker 1: loose group called a confederation, a loose group with other
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Speaker 1: people that planned and executed illegal activities.
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Speaker 2: That illegal activity could.
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Speaker 1: Be as simple as transporting sex workers across state lines.
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Speaker 2: For a free cough.
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Speaker 1: It could be paying them for illegal activity, any of
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Speaker 1: them that would support the RICO claim. I want you
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Speaker 1: to analyze the charges because as emotional as the testimony is,
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Speaker 1: as disgusting as the free coll video is, some of
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Speaker 1: the jurors were actually like doing this and looking away.
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Speaker 2: They can hardly look at it.
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Speaker 1: One guy held his hand up to his head as
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Speaker 1: he was watching a free cough video.
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Speaker 2: It's so bad that the.
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Speaker 1: Monitor they have individual monitors like you have on an airplane, right,
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Speaker 1: an individual monitor, so nobody out in the audience or
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Speaker 1: certainly not in the press, can see what's on the screen.
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Speaker 1: And there are privacy screens covering those individual monitors for
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Speaker 1: the jury, because it's that disgusting, it's that debasing to
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Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, it's that bad. Question is can they prove
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Speaker 1: the sex trafficking? Can they prove the rico?
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Speaker 8: Well, I mean rico is used because it makes the
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Speaker 8: government's job easy.
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Speaker 2: That's why they use it.
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Speaker 8: You're responsible for other people's Actually why the conspiracies there?
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Speaker 2: Got sour greats? I asked, Can they prove it?
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Speaker 7: No?
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Speaker 8: No, so ur Greats, not at all.
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Speaker 1: This is easy when you're sitting across the courtroom full
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Speaker 1: of ten million dollars lawyers.
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Speaker 2: That's never easy. You're being tried and I don't like it. No,
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Speaker 2: not being tried.
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Speaker 8: But what you have here is a domestic violent situation
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Speaker 8: that the federal government bootstrapped into this ridiculous sex trafficking case.
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Speaker 8: It is very easy for them to prove because if
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Speaker 8: you have one person talks about Cassie wanting to go
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Speaker 8: to Atlanta, there's your interstate right there. So it's a
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Speaker 8: very easy element that's already been proven this morning. However,
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Speaker 8: so if you have prostitutes that are hired to come
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Speaker 8: to these parties, even though it's consensual. The government can
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Speaker 8: prove that. There you go, it's proven right there. But
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Speaker 8: the reality of Passie's testimony, unfortunately for this young lady,
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Speaker 8: is that she wasn't happy in the relationship. She was upset,
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Speaker 8: and this should be a state domestic violence situation. The
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Speaker 8: battered spouse relates to the domestic violence the parties that
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Speaker 8: she was intentional we go into.
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Speaker 1: Actually, we may not starting to lose the respect I
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Speaker 1: had for you as an adversary.
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Speaker 2: You're a great defense lawyer. You're great in the courtroom,
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Speaker 2: you in a lot of cases.
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Speaker 1: But to say to Lynshaw joining me, founder director Lynn's
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Speaker 1: Warriors Dedicated it's a nonprofit to ending sex trafficking and
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Speaker 1: abuse of girls and women, to say, oh, you put
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Speaker 1: up this a young woman and she's just unhappy in
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Speaker 1: the relationship. That's not what this case is about her
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Speaker 1: being unhappy.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 9: Well, Nancy, we're witnessing right now, right now on your program,
20:37
Speaker 9: how the justice system looks at victims. Cassie has been groomed.
20:42
Speaker 9: Can't anybody understand what this is? She was nineteen, okay,
20:46
Speaker 9: so that's legally an adult, But you see the years
20:49
Speaker 9: of the back and the fourth all these text messages
20:53
Speaker 9: and things like that. This is a young woman that
20:56
Speaker 9: was groomed from the get go. They keep going back,
20:59
Speaker 9: they keep trying to, you know, make it whole, They
21:02
Speaker 9: keep trying to prove themselves to somebody, And you know what,
21:05
Speaker 9: I am tired. We stand next to victims and survivors
21:09
Speaker 9: all the time, and the courts don't understand. Lawyers, I'm sorry,
21:13
Speaker 9: with all due respect, do not understand sex trafficking. Yes,
21:17
Speaker 9: right now we're talking about domestic violence, all this horror,
21:20
Speaker 9: but we're laying out the groundwork of grooming to lead
21:24
Speaker 9: to sex trafficking. So I'm really getting tired of everybody,
21:27
Speaker 9: It's twenty twenty five not understanding the process of these
21:31
Speaker 9: powerful men, in particular money, you know what, and they
21:34
Speaker 9: have the law behind them and they rip apart the victims.
21:37
Speaker 9: Dirty ditty is going down and we're laying out for
21:40
Speaker 9: sex trafficking.
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Speaker 2: Right here.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Sidney Sumner on the case from the
21:44
Speaker 1: very very beginning, monitor every single thing that's happening in
21:47
Speaker 1: the courtroom. Cassi Ventira on cross examination this as reports
21:52
Speaker 1: of Sean comes, is to see role emerging another alleged
22:02
Speaker 1: sex attack victim. What does that mean Sydney summer.
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Speaker 4: Well, Nancy, According to this victim, on her force outing
22:12
Speaker 4: with Combs. So she had met him in a hotel elevator.
22:16
Speaker 4: They had spent a few nights out together, but on
22:19
Speaker 4: their third night, she left early with her friend without
22:23
Speaker 4: telling him, which apparently really angered Combs. He said, I
22:28
Speaker 4: don't think you know who I am. People don't do
22:30
Speaker 4: that to me. So the next time they all met up,
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Speaker 4: the situation felt sketchy from the beginning. She got into
22:38
Speaker 4: a car. There were a bunch of big men in
22:40
Speaker 4: that car. She could see use condoms on the ground,
22:44
Speaker 4: women's underwear, and they ended up back at Comb's apartment.
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Speaker 4: She wanted to go home and he said, no, I
22:50
Speaker 4: need to stop by my apartment first. You're going to
22:52
Speaker 4: come up with me. He pinned her to a bed,
22:56
Speaker 4: and as he pulls his pants down to raper, word
23:02
Speaker 4: for words, she says she didn't think it would hurt
23:06
Speaker 4: as much due to his lack of length and girth.
23:10
Speaker 4: So she is comparing Colmb's penis to a Tootsie role
23:15
Speaker 4: and later in that same lawsuit, she refers to him
23:18
Speaker 4: as itty Bitty Diddy.
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Speaker 1: Okay Rob Shooter testimony aside there's really no coming back
23:23
Speaker 1: from that.
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Speaker 7: For Diddy, there's no way that they're coming back from that.
23:28
Speaker 7: And I would guess this is a detail. It's scandalous
23:31
Speaker 7: and we're talking about it. But this is a really
23:32
Speaker 7: important detail and it's very very easy to be proven.
23:37
Speaker 7: Let's see, let's see that.
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Speaker 1: Rob Shooter, are you crazy, We'll see a we're talking
23:43
Speaker 1: about the same thing.
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Speaker 2: You actually think.
23:45
Speaker 1: The federal prosecutors are going to prove that there's an
23:48
Speaker 1: eaty beady Diddy and that.
23:51
Speaker 2: There's more of a Tootsie roll than a nobody's going
23:57
Speaker 2: to touch that with a shimfootpold. That's not an element
23:59
Speaker 2: of proof. She what are you talking about?
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Speaker 7: Well, she they can prove that she can describe Diddi's penis,
24:04
Speaker 7: then that's a really important point for her to make.
24:08
Speaker 7: And so I know they did this in the Michael
24:10
Speaker 7: Jackson trial. Several witnesses described Michael Jackson looked like and
24:15
Speaker 7: so I think describing what did he looks like is
24:17
Speaker 7: very important. It will prove the points and hopefully she'll
24:20
Speaker 7: win the case.
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Speaker 1: Okay, shooter, you actually made a legal point. You may
24:24
Speaker 1: need to consider that whole p R thing you've got
24:27
Speaker 1: going on. Yes, that did happen in the Michael Jackson case,
24:30
Speaker 1: but I hardly think that the defense is going to
24:33
Speaker 1: broach the subject of eaty BD Diddy being in Diddy's pants. Okay,
24:37
Speaker 1: that's a whole another can of worms, and as is
24:40
Speaker 1: so often when you're trying a case, you learn a
24:42
Speaker 1: lot more information than you ever wanted to. Now, that's
24:46
Speaker 1: kind of funny, right right, Edy BD Diddy the TPSIE
24:50
Speaker 1: roll in Diddy's pants, But hold on, not that funny.
24:57
Speaker 10: Listen discussing their breakup, comes to to lunch and had
25:00
Speaker 10: a deep conversation that brought a sense of closure. But
25:03
Speaker 10: when Combs dropped her off at home, he pinned her
25:06
Speaker 10: down and raped her. Says she doesn't believe Combs even
25:09
Speaker 10: noticed her crying and telling him no. After ejaculating inside her,
25:14
Speaker 10: Cassie says, Combs calmly got up and.
25:16
Speaker 2: Left Bethony Marshall shooter.
25:21
Speaker 1: Hot. He's marking the LA story about Sean Combs's TTSI role.
25:26
Speaker 1: But did you hear what came out on the stand
25:30
Speaker 1: with Cassie Ventura under oath that when they had a
25:34
Speaker 1: lunch to rehash this is why we're breaking up, he
25:38
Speaker 1: takes her back, and, according to her, rapes her, and
25:44
Speaker 1: then gets up and walks out without a word.
25:47
Speaker 6: This is just one more iteration of what he did
25:50
Speaker 6: throughout their entire relationship. Anytime she tried to develop herself away.
25:55
Speaker 9: From him or establish her own life, he.
25:58
Speaker 6: Would send his goonies over. He would break into her
26:01
Speaker 6: door at the middle of the night. He would rape her.
26:03
Speaker 6: He would watch other men rape her. He would debase her.
26:06
Speaker 6: The fact that somebody has pointed out that there's a
26:09
Speaker 6: little bitty Diddy Diddy inside of Diddy's pants. I think
26:14
Speaker 6: that's an interesting twist, because he has debased so many
26:20
Speaker 6: men and women. The fact that somebody could actually debase
26:24
Speaker 6: him with reality, it sounds like he was actually not
26:27
Speaker 6: that well endowed. I think it's kind of a fair turnaround.
26:31
Speaker 1: As this entire trial is throughout the day, a legend victim,
26:36
Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura on the stand now on cross examination by
26:41
Speaker 1: Shawn comes ten million dollar defense team.
26:46
Speaker 2: By all accounts, she's holding up really well.
26:49
Speaker 1: Now the defense is trying their best to make a
26:51
Speaker 1: lot of points, scoring points on heavily pregnant Cassie Ventura,
26:55
Speaker 1: but can anything.
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Speaker 2: The defense says erase this mental picture.
27:03
Speaker 1: Rollet look at Cassie Ventior holding up her little left
27:07
Speaker 1: hand trying to protect herself, cowering in the corner, holding
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Speaker 1: up her hand trying to stop Combs from beating her.
27:17
Speaker 2: Further, look at that him walking by.
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Speaker 1: Like he's the king of the Innercontinental as she cowers
27:31
Speaker 1: in the corner holding her head where he's already kicked
27:35
Speaker 1: her in the head, and then holding up her left hand,
27:40
Speaker 1: that pitiful little left hand.
27:43
Speaker 2: To try to fight him off.
27:45
Speaker 1: Immediately after that, we see still photos of where he
27:50
Speaker 1: throws a vase at her, the shattered shards on the floor.
27:57
Speaker 2: He aimed at her when.
27:59
Speaker 1: He threw the dirt on the wall. That's what he
28:04
Speaker 1: threw at her. What if it had hit her to
28:11
Speaker 1: Chris McDonough joining me, director Colka's Foundation, former homicide detective
28:18
Speaker 1: before that in Vice for many many years, star of
28:23
Speaker 1: the Interview Room on YouTube, Chris McDonough frankly, I don't
28:28
Speaker 1: care what they say on Cross. I don't care what
28:32
Speaker 1: they try to elicit from Cassie Ventira. That video tells
28:37
Speaker 1: me that what was happening in the Free Coughs was
28:41
Speaker 1: not something she wanted to do. She did not want
28:43
Speaker 1: to be a part of it, and she was trying
28:45
Speaker 1: to get away from one when he came out beat
28:48
Speaker 1: her and her holding up her little hand trying to
28:51
Speaker 1: fight him off and literally drag her back.
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Speaker 11: Absolutely, Nancy, I mean that video in of itself, she
28:58
Speaker 11: shows us the helplessness within this victim. And we now
29:02
Speaker 11: also know where the p came from and his name
29:05
Speaker 11: after that emotional urinal testimony. You know, this is about
29:10
Speaker 11: our dominance and control and did he breaking down people
29:14
Speaker 11: like a drill instructor using violence and intimidation And once
29:17
Speaker 11: he gets them right where he wants them, well, then
29:20
Speaker 11: he can do anything that he wants with his deviant fantasies.
29:23
Speaker 11: I mean, look what he's doing here in this particular video.
29:26
Speaker 11: She doesn't exist. She is just an instrument of his
29:33
Speaker 11: violence and his insecurities. That's what he's doing here.
29:37
Speaker 1: He's a hero, and we know where the defense is
29:40
Speaker 1: going trying to explain away this video. Listen to me
29:45
Speaker 1: taking on Mark Gergos about this and Harvey Levin.
29:48
Speaker 12: What they say is that the fight was not over
29:51
Speaker 12: the freak off. The fight was over a text message
29:54
Speaker 12: on did He's phone that Cassie saw involving another woman.
29:57
Speaker 12: So that's what they're laying out.
29:59
Speaker 2: I mean that they as much as said that.
30:01
Speaker 1: Right correct, from our friends at TWOB and more, she
30:04
Speaker 1: was getting Ring back into that hotel room for a
30:07
Speaker 1: breakoff and she was trying to.
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Speaker 4: Hold on.
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Speaker 12: That's not what the defense is going to argue. They're
30:17
Speaker 12: not going to say it was over a freak off,
30:19
Speaker 12: right yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean the public filings dispute that.
30:23
Speaker 1: From our friends at TV, they can argue it's not
30:25
Speaker 1: a freak off till they're blue in the face. But
30:29
Speaker 1: their theory that she was the aggressor, you're trying to
30:33
Speaker 1: let's see the video again. You're trying to tell me
30:36
Speaker 1: that ninety pound casts Eventira is beating Sean Comes's bony
30:41
Speaker 1: rear end. No, uh, that is what they're claiming. That
30:45
Speaker 1: she's the bad guy here. She's the aggressor because she
30:49
Speaker 1: is angry that she saw text too comes.
30:52
Speaker 2: From another woman, Bethany Marshall.
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Speaker 1: They can argue that until they use up every ounce
31:01
Speaker 1: of oxygen in the courtroom, but that don't make it true.
31:06
Speaker 6: It does not make a true Nancy And if anybody
31:09
Speaker 6: out there knows about domestic violence, what they also know
31:13
Speaker 6: is that perpetrators always claim that they're being abused by
31:17
Speaker 6: the victim. That's domestic abuse and such trafficking.
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Speaker 2: Were the ones being abused?
31:22
Speaker 6: They always do. Ask police officers who go to domestic
31:25
Speaker 6: violence calls. Once they get there, the purp, usually the
31:29
Speaker 6: larger person, often substance abusing, which is what we see here,
31:33
Speaker 6: usually says oh, she hit me, or.
31:35
Speaker 7: She this or she that, and the defamiliar is.
31:40
Speaker 1: Saying she started it. Yeah, she's right, Ethany. They always
31:44
Speaker 1: say she started it, okay, like a.
31:46
Speaker 2: Three year old. He's that being mirrored here.
31:48
Speaker 6: I see that being mirrored here in so many ways
31:51
Speaker 6: because he actually, I don't even know how much he
31:54
Speaker 6: or the defense is saying this to manipulate the jury.
31:58
Speaker 2: I think in p.
31:59
Speaker 6: Didy's mind, he actually believes she did something to him.
32:03
Speaker 6: That is the kind of psychopathology that we're seeing here.
32:07
Speaker 6: One little detail stands out to me, Nancy, and I
32:09
Speaker 6: haven't been able to get it out of my mind.
32:11
Speaker 6: She went to rehab numerous times because she wanted a good, sober,
32:18
Speaker 6: healthy life, and then he readdicted her. She had to
32:22
Speaker 6: use substances to get through the freak offs. So this
32:25
Speaker 6: is yet another indication of sex trafficking.
32:27
Speaker 2: This is what John's do. They addict their.
32:30
Speaker 1: Victims crime stories with Nancy Grace to Sidney Summer joining
32:44
Speaker 1: me crime story's investigative reporter. It's not just her testimony,
32:49
Speaker 1: It's not just what she says. Wasn't there a witness
32:52
Speaker 1: that what was going on in the Intercontinental was a
32:55
Speaker 1: freak off?
32:55
Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy. The first person on the stand, Israel Flores,
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Speaker 4: security guard at the Intercontinental hotel, testified that he saw
33:05
Speaker 4: another man in their hotel room. Now, could not have
33:09
Speaker 4: been unrelated to a freakoff, possibly, but for Tassey to
33:14
Speaker 4: attack comes in front of this other random man, why
33:18
Speaker 4: was he there? Why was he in their room? I
33:20
Speaker 4: don't understand how the defense is going to combat that
33:24
Speaker 4: piece of testimony. And they did try and point out
33:27
Speaker 4: on his cross exam that Flora did not mention that
33:31
Speaker 4: man in his initial incident report, and Floresa's response was
33:35
Speaker 4: that he was not involved in the assault. That was
33:38
Speaker 4: his concern what he saw in the hallway. So it'll
33:42
Speaker 4: be interesting to see how they try and prove that
33:46
Speaker 4: Cassy was upset over texts and this wasn't a freakoff.
33:50
Speaker 13: Cassie Ventura switches up her appearance for her third day
33:53
Speaker 13: on the stand, wearing a tuxedo jacket over a cream
33:56
Speaker 13: colored blouse. Cassie answers questions softly, almost at a way
34:00
Speaker 13: the last two days on the stand, maybe taking a
34:02
Speaker 13: toll on the pregnant mom. Cassie requesting a ten minute
34:06
Speaker 13: break at just an hour into her cross examination. When
34:08
Speaker 13: Cassie returns from her break, she clutches a string of
34:11
Speaker 13: beads with a tassel on it as lawyer Anna Estavo
34:14
Speaker 13: continues to ask her about sexually explicit text messages sent
34:18
Speaker 13: to her boyfriend in the early years of their relationship.
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Speaker 5: These freak offs lasted between one and four days.
34:25
Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira choking on a six workers urine.
34:29
Speaker 9: This was a man with seemingly unlimited power and willing
34:33
Speaker 9: to use it to do whatever it takes to get
34:35
Speaker 9: what he wants.
34:36
Speaker 7: What's the truth that I did? A is much much
34:39
Speaker 7: more talk.
34:40
Speaker 1: Cassie Ventira on the stand throughout the day. On cross examination,
34:45
Speaker 1: she held it like a trooper on direct but during
34:49
Speaker 1: cross she often broke down in tears. She requested a break,
34:54
Speaker 1: this as the state is pummeling her with questions about
34:57
Speaker 1: the nature of her relationship with Shawn comes pointing out
35:02
Speaker 1: texts where she seems amenable to free coughs.
35:05
Speaker 2: Of course those were in the.
35:06
Speaker 1: Early years when she was very young dating Shawn Colmbs.
35:10
Speaker 2: But this is the harsh reality, back out de veteran trial.
35:13
Speaker 1: Lawyer Greg Morse. To prove a reco racketeering, organized crime,
35:19
Speaker 1: a conspiracy a crime conspiracy case, you have to have
35:23
Speaker 1: an underlying crime. It's like prosecuting the mob if they
35:27
Speaker 1: never committed a murder or a theft or money laundering.
35:30
Speaker 1: Prosecute the gang hanging out at Uncle Pauly's.
35:34
Speaker 2: That's not a crime. There has to be a crime
35:37
Speaker 2: that the.
35:38
Speaker 1: Group comes together, even very loosely, and enables.
35:44
Speaker 2: The group has to enable a crime. What am I
35:48
Speaker 2: getting at?
35:49
Speaker 1: If the defense can show or prove to the jury
35:54
Speaker 1: that everything that happened was willing and consensual, then there
35:59
Speaker 1: is no rape and there is nothing that was done illegally.
36:06
Speaker 2: See what I mean.
36:07
Speaker 1: So everyone keeps saying, this is not about domestic abuse,
36:11
Speaker 1: this is not about a sex attack, This is about
36:13
Speaker 1: rico and sex trafficking. Without the underlying felonies, you don't
36:18
Speaker 1: have a case.
36:19
Speaker 4: Well, You're right, you don't.
36:20
Speaker 8: But in this situation the way it's charged, that could
36:23
Speaker 8: be prostitution transporting other sex workers, not Cassie and the rape.
36:28
Speaker 8: So they don't need to prove necessarily just that, you know.
36:33
Speaker 8: But you again, I think you proved it in the
36:35
Speaker 8: segment you just did. This is a domestic violence situation
36:39
Speaker 8: that everybody's bootstrapping into this horrible sex trafficking case.
36:43
Speaker 2: That's just not what this is.
36:45
Speaker 8: This is and but the government doesn't have a hard
36:47
Speaker 8: time improving that prostitution is still illegal in America, so.
36:51
Speaker 2: They can just use that.
36:52
Speaker 8: I've had the government in white collar cases one hundred
36:55
Speaker 8: million frauds literally use a stamp to show.
36:57
Speaker 2: An overt act on money laundering out, so you don't
37:01
Speaker 2: need we speaking of it.
37:03
Speaker 1: Overse You mentioned domestic abuse.
37:09
Speaker 2: You mentioned even if Cassie Ventura.
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Speaker 1: Is believed by the jury, which I don't think they're
37:14
Speaker 1: going to do after that video, that it was all
37:16
Speaker 1: willing and consensual.
37:19
Speaker 2: When you get to the.
37:20
Speaker 1: Domestic violence and forcing her into the free coughs, she
37:26
Speaker 1: states very clearly on the stand that employees of Sean
37:30
Speaker 1: Combs knew what was happening and enabled it.
37:34
Speaker 2: There's your Loose Confederation listen.
37:38
Speaker 13: Colmb's assistance were very aware of how Combs treated her,
37:42
Speaker 13: saw her injuries and de Rock, a security guard, was
37:45
Speaker 13: once brought to tears by her appearance after a beating.
37:48
Speaker 13: In addition to testimony, security guards took Cassie to a
37:52
Speaker 13: plastic surgeon for stitches. Combs driver Roger Bonds once physically
37:57
Speaker 13: caught her as she tried to run from Combs and
37:59
Speaker 13: were turned her to him.
38:01
Speaker 1: So Sidney Sumner, they were all in it together, the
38:05
Speaker 1: bodyguard chasing her down and physically making her come back
38:09
Speaker 1: to Sean Comb's. Everybody that ordered baby oil lighting booked
38:14
Speaker 1: a room called cleanup. Hey, let's see the video of
38:18
Speaker 1: cleanup coming after a freak off at the Intercontinental.
38:22
Speaker 2: They didn't have just a trash bag.
38:24
Speaker 1: They have to have basically a dumpster that they're going
38:28
Speaker 1: down and cleaning out.
38:30
Speaker 2: The room after a freak off.
38:33
Speaker 1: They were all part of it, Sydney, that is the gang,
38:37
Speaker 1: the loose Confederation.
38:38
Speaker 4: Yes, Nancy, it seems like there were many many people,
38:42
Speaker 4: whether or not unwittingly, participating in setting up these freakoffs.
38:48
Speaker 4: Cassie testified earlier this morning. Tomes was very very secretive
38:54
Speaker 4: about these freakoffs with his staff. They even wore mats
38:58
Speaker 4: to conceal their identity. So Prossy says that, yes, assistants
39:03
Speaker 4: were involved in setting things up. They brought lighting, they
39:07
Speaker 4: brought baby oil, They followed whatever Comb's requests were up
39:11
Speaker 4: until the freak off began, and from their homes kept
39:15
Speaker 4: it a secret what happened in that?
39:18
Speaker 2: What about it? Greg Morse? Greg Morris, do you wear
39:21
Speaker 2: a mask? We'll go to work because you don't want
39:23
Speaker 2: people to know it's you. No, because I did. I
39:27
Speaker 2: hope it's not a crime if I did.
39:29
Speaker 8: It's not a crime if I did, though, so you.
39:31
Speaker 2: Can have this sex party.
39:35
Speaker 1: So I don't understand whilest silence.
39:38
Speaker 2: With the consensual sex party that she says. She literally says,
39:43
Speaker 2: I didn't tell him much. It was rude head. I
39:45
Speaker 2: didn't want to shoot her.
39:46
Speaker 1: When you were hearing this this testimony, knowing Combs as
39:52
Speaker 1: you did as his former pr guru, do you believe
39:57
Speaker 1: it's possible.
39:58
Speaker 7: I think that it He is guilty. I think this
40:01
Speaker 7: video changed everything. I'm in a group text with several
40:05
Speaker 7: people who have worked with Diddy throughout the years, and
40:08
Speaker 7: some people in that text. When this first started, what
40:11
Speaker 7: a year and a half ago, we were hearing rumors
40:13
Speaker 7: some people that worked for him, not me, but some
40:16
Speaker 7: people still believed he was innocent until that video was
40:20
Speaker 7: released by CNN. That video has changed everything. And what
40:24
Speaker 7: I'm shocked about here, Nancy, is that Diddy is a
40:27
Speaker 7: very cautious, very controlling individual. The fact that video even
40:33
Speaker 7: exists is a miracle. Thank god it does exist. You
40:36
Speaker 7: try to get rid of it. But the fact that
40:39
Speaker 7: he thought he was so above the law that he
40:43
Speaker 7: could attack somebody in a public orway of a hotel
40:47
Speaker 7: and get away with it gives us an insight into
40:50
Speaker 7: who this man really is.
40:51
Speaker 1: In the last hours, the judge warning the defense they've
40:54
Speaker 1: got to high noon tomorrow to finish across exam of
40:57
Speaker 1: Cassie Ventura, Tira considers suicide after what she lived through
41:05
Speaker 1: with Combs.
41:06
Speaker 2: Listen.
41:07
Speaker 14: Cassie struggled with depression and suicidal thoughts after Combs. Even
41:11
Speaker 14: as she moved on with her now husband Alex Fine,
41:14
Speaker 14: Combs continued to threaten her, demanding he'd be reimbursed for
41:17
Speaker 14: Cassie's training sessions with Fine. At one point, Combs cryptically
41:21
Speaker 14: wrote he had iPads full of skeletons. Recordings of the
41:25
Speaker 14: freak Offs. Cassie says her husband stopped her from walking
41:28
Speaker 14: out of their home into busy traffic.
41:31
Speaker 1: Straight out to Lynn Shaw founder director Lynz Warriors, what
41:36
Speaker 1: technical legal term a pos threatening her with quote iPads
41:42
Speaker 1: full of skeletons. She was on the brink of suicide
41:47
Speaker 1: after what she went through with Combs.
41:49
Speaker 9: You know, Nancy, we see this time and time again. Listen,
41:53
Speaker 9: the public has to realize and I'm going to go
41:55
Speaker 9: back to the justice system as well. These people are
41:58
Speaker 9: psychologically down. They've been groomed, they've been trapped, They're not
42:03
Speaker 9: in control. She went to rehab, she tried to clean
42:07
Speaker 9: herself up. Luckily, right now she's got a supportive husband.
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Speaker 9: You know, she's a mom.
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Speaker 2: She's about to have another, her third baby. But here's
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Speaker 2: the thing.
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Speaker 9: Many of our victims and survivors that we speak to,
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Speaker 9: they tell us this same exact playbook, the same exact story.
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Speaker 9: They just can't handle it anymore, and they figure nobody
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Speaker 9: believes them, nobody wants to help them. The person with
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Speaker 9: the power and the money, they're in control, and they say,
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Speaker 9: you know what, it would just be a better place
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Speaker 9: if I was gone. And there's also that element we
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Speaker 9: have to remind everybody they're embarrassed, believe it or not.
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Speaker 9: And I'm tired of people who say to me, oh,
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Speaker 9: why don't these people just kick and run away and
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Speaker 9: go somewhere. Where are they going when somebody's holding this
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Speaker 9: over their heads? These videos?
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Speaker 2: And I want to point.
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Speaker 9: Out, we still don't know where are all these videos
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Speaker 9: perhaps uploaded also to poorn websites forever for people to
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Speaker 9: look at.
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Speaker 2: We don't know.
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Speaker 9: All I know is this is the same playbook psychological damaged.
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Speaker 9: And we should commend Cassie for coming forward for all victims,
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Speaker 9: not just of Sean Colm's Dirty Diddy, but all of
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Speaker 9: them watching right now are telling me they are traumatized
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Speaker 9: listening to everything in this trial.
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Speaker 2: For what it's worth, Cassie Ventira, we believe you.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye,