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235. Reiki Runes and Human Design with Cat Wagner · The Wholeness Network

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Speaker 1: This is the Wholeness Network, a space for people who
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are done performing wellness and ready to actually feel it.
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I'm Michelle Wingel, and every episode, we're going deep into healing, identity,
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the spiritual stuff nobody talks about, and what it really
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means to come home to yourself. So let's go. I
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am so excited to introduce you to Kat Wagner. She
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is a really, really interesting person. First of all, she
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is a school teacher and I could not love that more.
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Someone who cares about the energy of the room. Can
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you imagine? I think that would be so amazing. She
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is a woman of many talents. She reads cards, both
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tarot and oracle. She is a Reiki master. She's one
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of those that has done it all. And the thing
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that I might admire most about her was that she
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was willing to put herself out there and say, I
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have an offering, come. And I know many of you
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might be feeling and dealing with those kinds of feelings
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when you have gifts to share. And how do you
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cross over into putting yourself out there? So I hope
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you listen from that lens, as well as from the
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lens of what she's going to teach us about all
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the things that she is offering to others. make sure
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you get into the notes and connect with her. She's amazing.
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And hopefully we will have some of her videos in
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the library soon-ish. So I hope you enjoy this conversation.
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Remember to leave us a great review and enjoy.
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Speaker 2: In the last couple of years, I've been getting more
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into the spiritual side of things. I found that when
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I was kind of connecting to spirit guides and meditating
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and connecting with other people, I kept getting a Phoenix
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coming in, which for me was, um, different. I've never
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really connected with Phoenix energy before. Um, and it kept
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coming up, like there was a certain bird I kept seeing.
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Speaker 3: And when I looked it up, it was like, Oh,
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this bird also relates to the Phoenix. And it was
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just like, I kept seeing Phoenix, Phoenix, Phoenix, everything.
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Speaker 2: Um, and then I believe it was last July, somewhere
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around there, uh, just before I officially started my business.
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as I was meditating, it was like, I became the Phoenix.
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Like my arms kind of had to move like wings.
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And I was being told like, this is the whole
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reason the Phoenix has been here guiding you.
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Speaker 3: Like it's ready to be part of you through your business.
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Speaker 2: So that was when I finally came up with the
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name because I had actually been kind of sitting on
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it for a while.
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Speaker 3: Like, Oh, should I start a business? I don't know.
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Speaker 2: Like, you know, who's going to come to me type
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of thing. So, it was at that point that I
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was like, okay, yeah, I'm going to do it. And
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a Phoenix is going to be involved in that.
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Speaker 1: So what do you think had to burn? What do
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you think burned down? You know, because the Phoenix is
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rising from the ashes.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I think just throughout life, there have been
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lots of things, right? Like relationships, jobs, moving places. And
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around this time is when a lot changed for me.
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Like I moved schools, I moved away from my core
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friend group, just moved to an entirely new city. And
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then just, I guess, leaving behind the doubts of not.
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Speaker 3: Being able to do this work, right? So it's like,
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I'm rising into someone new.
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Speaker 2: And also, I know the people that I want to
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work with are people who have their own things they'd
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like to leave behind and kind of become better people
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as they rise through the ashes and into something new.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely a vivid... image for sure. That brings
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a lot, you know, it's emotional too. I can, I
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can see, but so you, you seem, you hold Reiki
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and you hold four different divination systems and human design.
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So which came first and then how did those others
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find you? How did you get that? So did you, and,
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and then it sounds like you've kind of been on
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that journey of learning before you opened your business for
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a while, I would guess.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So it actually goes back to quite far if you
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want me to go into that. But, um, just as
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a kid, it was like, you know, having imaginary friends
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that we had.
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Speaker 3: The theories or maybe there were ghosts.
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Speaker 2: And then I had always been interested in this type
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of stuff, but you know, in society, it's kind of
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hard to explore.
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Speaker 3: It's very scientific based.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Um, and then as I got older, I was getting
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more into like going ghost hunting with different companies and
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like reading ghost stories and.
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Speaker 3: Just doing all this haunted type of stuff.
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Speaker 2: And, uh, when I was going to school in Lethbridge,
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there was one time I was in their museum and
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I felt a lot of like buzzing around my head
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and was kind of interested in that because I knew
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there was a famous death there. So I ended up
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looking into it later and the man who had passed away,
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it had been trauma to his head and in the exact.
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Speaker 3: Area that I had been feeling it.
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Speaker 2: So I'm like, okay, there's kind of, there's something here, right?
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And all throughout my life too, I just had all
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these dreams that would come true or like little, uh,
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like strong emotions about things where I'm like, no, that
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doesn't make sense.
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Speaker 3: But then it would happen. So anyway, all throughout my life,
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it's like all these little clues and things that were happening.
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Speaker 2: And then eventually it was actually my mom who, um,
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had heard about this Reiki class and she decided she
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was going to take it. And I was just thinking,
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you know, I would like a safe space with other
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people who are kind of into this, even though I
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didn't even really know what Reiki was.
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Speaker 3: At the time. Right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So then I signed up to join this Reiki
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class and took level one and two first, and then
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six months or so later took the master's.
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Speaker 3: I just started getting into it at that point.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And that's just kind of carried me into where I
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am now. So then Just like life in general, I.
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Speaker 2: Love researching all these little random things like in psychology
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and science and spirituality. So after the first Reiki, Yusui
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Holy Fire, a few years later, I went.
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Speaker 3: Back and took Karuna. And then I did some shamanic
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technique training actually as well.
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Speaker 1: Oh, funny. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: And then I did some card reading stuff.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: And then I did an angelic practitioner's course. And then
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when there were some questions I kind of wanted answered
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about myself and I saw a summary of human design,
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that's what pulled me into that one, which is the last.
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Speaker 3: One I've kind of done.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. I say funny because that's exactly my route. Reiki
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and then a shamanic thing. Yeah, it was exactly the same.
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So yeah, same. Holy fire, everything. Karuna, same, exactly.
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Speaker 3: Oh, wow.
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Speaker 1: That's kind of funny.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Reiki is such a good way to wet your, to
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kind of have a kind of, it helps you. I
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felt like for me, at least it helped me kind
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of have words and, and courage to call it what
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it was, you know, just today I was listening to
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a podcast interview with Tyler Henry. Do you know who
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Tyler Henry is? So he's a medium here. He had
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a TV show called Hollywood medium. So he usually would
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like read Hollywood stars and stuff like that, but he's
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really down to earth. His book is really, really good.
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He has a couple books, I think. So he's this young.
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He's probably 30-something, but he's been reading a medium since
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he was very young. And it was fascinating because he
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had a surgery this year and had a near-death experience.
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And he said, you know, he's like, I hear he's
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been a medium for so long. But he's like, you know,
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there was always in the back of my mind, like,
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I don't know what's there for me after, you know,
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and it was really interesting to where you have those.
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The reason why I bring that up is like, as
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I was kind of thinking about him, because here he is,
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you know, he's got a waiting list of a half
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a million people wanting to have a session with him,
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you know, and even he, you know, wouldn't be surprised
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if one day someone came in and said, this was
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all just in your head. And he would say, okay,
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that's what I thought, you know, it's all in your head.
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It's always like just, or maybe it's just, it's addicting
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in a way. It's like, okay, you get this confirmation
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and then you're like, let's do that again. Like, let's
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make sure, or you just want to go to the
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next thing. But I think Reiki was good because it
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could give you some, you know, it just gave you like, again,
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you're in those rooms with those people that are on
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the same wavelength and then you get a little bit
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more confidence and it's fascinating. It's fascinating. So, How did
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you realize that you could put all of these kind
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of together into one practice? What did that look like
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for you?
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Speaker 2: For me, it was just the fact that my interests
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lie in so many places. Like, I was really attracted
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to cards just because of the scenery and the way that,
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you know, you'll pull cards and get the same color
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across all of them.
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Speaker 3: And I think.
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Speaker 2: Like when you're doing Reiki on someone, they don't get
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to share in the experience of what you are experiencing
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for them.
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Speaker 3: So when you get.
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Speaker 2: To share cards with them, they can also see and
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interpret and understand where you're coming from.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
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Speaker 2: And then for human design, for example, like there's been
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people I've worked on for Reiki and if they keep
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having the same concern or the same issue coming up,
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you know, I'll kind of ask like, are you okay
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with us going into your chart a little bit? Because
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I just want to see If there's a specific piece
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of your energetic blueprint that's contributing to.
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Speaker 3: This where it's happening over and over. Yeah. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. give them a lot of confirmation or reassurance about
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who they are as people. And if they're kind of
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on the right path, which is a popular question for
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cards and runes as well.
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Speaker 3: So yeah.
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Speaker 2: And then with shamanic stuff, just sometimes if I'm working
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on someone, I'll just kind of, you know, in my head,
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get the sense of, okay, you need to journey to
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go find this about them or like a medicine will
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pop up for them. So sometimes it just naturally integrates.
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And then also as a full-time teacher, and of course
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a lot happens in the classroom every day. So Reiki
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is really great for clearing a space. Wow.
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Speaker 1: I bet. I bet that's really, I bet that's a
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yummy classroom actually, now that I think of it, because
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it could be so much stress there. That makes a
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lot of sense. Like as they're taking their spelling test,
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you're like sending them, sending them love.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, or sometimes calling in certain angels, like Archangel Metatron
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is great for working with kids, especially if they have
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learning difficulties and stuff like that.
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Speaker 1: That's really special. I didn't think about that. That's awesome. Yeah.
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That's awesome. Okay, well, I have a strange question, and
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it's more of an exploration than having you have all
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the answers. But we're going to explore. Because in human design,
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you know, and you mentioned it, there's an energetic blueprint
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that's kind of set in there. And then you have Reiki.
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That's very much energy is fluid and can shift. So
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how do we hold both of those? Which I love both.
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I love complexity. So like, this is my yummy world.
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But it's like, how can we create a language to
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help people put those two together and have both be
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true at the same time? Do you know what I'm saying? Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I'll probably think about that one for a couple
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of seconds.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going to throw this at her. How
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can we, how can we put those two into, you know,
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where they can, they can coexist. They can coexist.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think for human design in general, I would
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say a lot of it is kind of telling you like.
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Speaker 3: How you're operating in the world.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Right. And how you're interacting with other people.
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Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
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Speaker 3: And what your purpose is.
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Speaker 2: So even with those things that are kind of fixed,
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if you want to say, and it defines some of
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your gifts and your challenges, you can still use Reiki
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and be shifting the energy within that. So for example,
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if you're really stuck on some of the challenges that
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are coming up in your human design chart, you can
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use Reiki to help you kind of shift some of
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those and get more toward the learning side of it.
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Speaker 3: Right. Because, you know, kind of by the end of
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your existence as this human body.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: The theories that you would have gone through some of
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those challenges and gotten to the learning side of it.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I think you can use.
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Speaker 2: That, but also like, for example, as a projector, that
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would mean for me, I'm here to do a lot
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of like guiding and, kind of condensing my work into
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a shorter workday. So I can still use Reiki for
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those types of things, right? But I'm also just aware
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of how I operate as a person.
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Speaker 1: Right. That makes a lot of sense. That makes a
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lot of sense. So how can you tell, how would
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you say you could tell, and maybe not, but how
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would you tell what is kind of fixed in someone,
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like their design or their, you know, and what is stuck?
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How do you tell the difference between their wiring and
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then you know, the thing that's kind of getting them stuck.
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Cause I think we can identify with that a lot.
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It's like, what is me and what is the energy?
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Do you know what I mean?
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So I think human design is not really meant to
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hold anyone back. So again, I think if there's something
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that's repeatedly coming up, that's probably.
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Speaker 3: Energy that's ready to shift.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: But in addition to that, like you can look at
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people's defined centers in human design.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. And that will tell you.
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Speaker 2: Kind of where they're having consistent energy in certain areas.
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And actually a lot of people take in most of
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their conditioning or influence from other people on their undefined centers.
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So I think if you're looking at a chart, you're
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more likely to see the undefined centers are where they'll
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be taking in other people's energies and maybe getting stuck
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or dealing with some challenges.
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Speaker 3: So I think just being aware of that.
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Speaker 2: But in addition to that, like for example people I've
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worked on multiple times with Reiki if I go in
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and I'm finding the same spot feel stuck every time
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right then I know that's just shifting I can refer
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to their chart to see if they're connected but I
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wouldn't say it necessarily is so right as someone else
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who does Reiki like you would know when you're scanning
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someone's body and kind of working in the different areas
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yeah it's just a different feeling right like you'll.
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Speaker 3: Get the messages about what it is that needs to change.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you get visualizations or you hear something or you
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feel something.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So to me, if I'm getting those clues and signs
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and messages, it tells me maybe it's more Reiki related,
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but it might still be related to their chart.
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Speaker 1: Right. That makes sense. And I, like I work with
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the Enneagram quite a bit and I'd like to know
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people's Enneagrams because sometimes, you know, an Enneagram, um, it's like,
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doesn't mean that it's completely natural, but someone that's going
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to be like a type three likes to achieve something
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and they, they really do want to be seen and
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that's going to be different there. And that energy is
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going to be a little bit different for that person
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than maybe the type, type nine, that's more of a wallflower.
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And you know what I mean? Like, it's like, you know,
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if the wallflower showing up like, and there are three,
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it's like, okay, then we got us some, we got
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to move some energy, but otherwise it's a little different.
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So that makes a lot of sense. That makes a
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lot of sense. And so go ahead. Do you want
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to say something?
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Speaker 2: Oh, no, I was just going to say, I love your,
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your connection there. Like, yeah, really seeing like kind of
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what should they be.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Feeling like, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Out of alignment there. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Right. It's like, yeah, this is, it depends. Like not
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everybody's going to have the same for some energy. It's
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going to be correct. Others, others not. So yeah. Like
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I know for a projector, you taking a lot of
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time of resting, you know, is important for you. I'm
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a manifest generator. If I'm, you know, laying in bed
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all day, that's going to have a different question for
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me than it is. You know what I mean? There's
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going to be like, what's going on? Whether for you,
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it's going to be a little bit of good job.
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You're doing what you got to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. Okay, so how do you tell
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when you're going to reach for the tarot versus an
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oracle card? How do you decide that?
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Speaker 2: So typically when I do a session with someone, I
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will actually just send them a picture that has all
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the card decks with the picture on the back.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 3: So I won't say like these are angel decks, this
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is a dragon deck. I'll just send them the pictures.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 3: And then typically I like to mix and match decks
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because I really find that if there's a message that
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someone needs to hear, they're going to hear it across
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multiple decks. Right.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, I'll send them the picture and then I'll
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kind of say like, based on what your questions are,
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choose two to three decks that are.
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Speaker 3: Kind of calling your name type of thing.
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Speaker 1: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Yep. And then they'll pick their decks. Sometimes it's all Oracle.
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Sometimes it's a mixture of, Um, but yeah, that's, I
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don't ever really pick for people.
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Speaker 3: They pick for themselves.
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Speaker 1: Okay. That's really cool. That's really cool. I don't think
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we've had somebody on that, that works with, is it,
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is it I Ching? Is that what it's called? Okay.
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And then ruin, ruin. So can you like help walk
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us through what those are, where they're from a little
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bit of that? Cause I don't think we've had somebody
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on here explaining that before.
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Speaker 3: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so those would be the ones that I
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don't know as much about, but I can tell you
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what I do.
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Speaker 3: Know because I'm still working with them and everything.
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Speaker 1: More than me, so we're good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so runes would be an ancient alphabet, essentially, and
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there's different alphabets, but the one that I've been using
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is the Elder Firthok one.
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Speaker 3: Okay. And.
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Speaker 1: Are those all, like, Celtic? Is that Celtic? Yeah. Okay, okay.
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Speaker 3: I think so, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it is. Okay.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so... Originally, it was that I was in a
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crystal shop and saw a set and I just kind
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of felt called to them at that point, which was
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only just over a year ago. So I've been doing
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this for over 10 years at this point, but that
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was the first time that they've kind of spoken to me.
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Speaker 3: So they only had one option. So I ended up
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getting those.
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Speaker 2: And then last year, my friend and I were at
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the beach and we were just looking at all these things.
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Speaker 3: Stones as we were walking.
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Speaker 2: Up and down the shoreline and I was thinking like
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oh these would be so beautiful as a rune set
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because I just love the more like earthy rock type
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stuff so her and I ended up picking out 26
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each and then we went home and we painted them
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and glossed.
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Speaker 3: Over them and made our own runesets.
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Speaker 2: Yeah so so essentially um each one is a letter
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and And each one has its own name, of course,
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and each one is its own symbol.
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Speaker 3: So for example, there.
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Speaker 2: Would be like an elk or a birch tree and
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then they all stand for their own um symbol like
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fertility or wealth okay those types of things kind of
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like cards do uh-huh um but pretty well any type
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of reading I do I also do intuitively so right
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I've gone through a lot of studying their traditional meanings
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But then also I found as I was going through them,
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I was really paying attention to the movement of the lines.
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And that was giving me extra signals.
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Speaker 3: In my head. So, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So, for example, AWOS is kind of like a capital M.
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So it's like two lines and then dips in the middle.
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So to me, like sometimes I might see that as
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you have support from multiple people or multiple places, but
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you kind of feel like you're in a little.
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Speaker 3: Dip right now. Yeah.
20:29
Speaker 1: Okay.
20:29
Speaker 3: I just found.
20:31
Speaker 2: that the movement of them was speaking to me. So
20:33
I do a mixture of the traditional plus what came
20:37
through to me as I was like them. And then again,
20:42
just like tarot cards or Oracle cards, it depends on
20:44
the reading as well. Like there was one person I
20:47
was reading for asking about jobs. And so I split
20:51
it into two questions. And the first question I was
20:54
looking at their current situation and the second one, hopefully
20:58
a forward situation. And actually that exact rune had come
21:02
up upside down in the first one and right side
21:05
up in the second one. So I saw it as like, okay,
21:07
this is when your job is going to switch.
21:09
Speaker 3: It's getting ready, but it's not ready yet.
21:11
Speaker 1: Yep. Yep.
21:12
Speaker 3: And then see.
21:13
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:13
Speaker 2: So depending on what kind of reading I'm doing, it's
21:16
just kind of all over the place.
21:18
Speaker 1: Yeah.
21:19
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I don't know if that answers your question.
21:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great. Do you like, how do you pick
21:24
a rune? Like, do you just pull it one out
21:26
or do you like, how does it, how does it work? Yeah.
21:30
Speaker 3: So some people do them in different ways.
21:33
Speaker 2: Some people will put out a little mat and kind
21:35
of throw them and then the ones that line face
21:37
up are the ones they'll interpret.
21:39
Speaker 1: Okay.
21:39
Speaker 3: What I typically do is.
21:41
Speaker 2: More like a card reading where I'll have them in
21:43
their little bag and I'll kind of shake it around
21:45
or feel the rocks and then pull one that feels
21:48
right or.
21:49
Speaker 3: Two or three or whatever it is. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah.
21:52
That's how I usually do it.
21:53
Speaker 2: I like it.
21:54
Speaker 1: I like it. And then what's the I Ching?
21:57
Speaker 3: So the I Ching is an ancient Chinese text. That
22:01
same thing. It's like you build what's called a hexagram.
22:04
So it's six lines.
22:05
Speaker 1: Okay.
22:06
Speaker 3: And so there's 64 altogether. Yeah. And these ones actually
22:09
correlate to human design as well with the 64 gene
22:13
keys are built with hexagrams. So the way you do
22:17
it is you flip coins. So three at a time.
22:20
Speaker 2: And then if you're using regular coins, like tails would
22:24
be worth two and heads would be worth three.
22:26
Speaker 3: And then you, add it up to get a number.
22:29
Speaker 2: So you do that six times, and you're building your
22:31
hexagram from the bottom to the top. And then whatever
22:35
shape it builds, you would find on like a little
22:38
grid that you can just look up.
22:40
Speaker 3: I do not have it memorized.
22:43
Speaker 1: That's fair.
22:43
Speaker 3: And then, yeah, kind of like a tarot card.
22:47
Speaker 2: How you can like look in the book to see
22:49
what the meaning is, you can look up the different interpretations.
22:53
So that one I don't have memorized or anything. That
22:55
one I use if I just want a straight up
22:57
message that I cannot interpret and I want, you know,
23:01
like down to the brass tacks, what do I need
23:03
to know?
23:04
Speaker 3: I'll build a hexagram, look it up and see what
23:06
the information is.
23:07
Speaker 1: Oh, fascinating. Fascinating. Yeah, that's good to share. I'm sure
23:12
people will love that. So what I think is great
23:15
about having like a little anchor of human design as
23:20
you're doing this is that human design really has that
23:23
teaching about that inner authority. You know what I mean?
23:26
That that's one of the clear teachings, which I think, um, is,
23:32
is helpful for you to have as a practitioner, because, um,
23:36
I was talking about this the other day on a,
23:38
we had our, our healing circle, monthly healing circle. And,
23:41
and I've, um, talked about how on a one-on-one session sometimes, um,
23:49
I find some of the clients want to hand me
23:53
a lot of authority. You know what I mean? They
23:55
really want, you know, and I get it, you know,
23:58
when you're struggling, it's like, please tell me what's going
24:01
on and what do I do? But I'm very sensitive
24:04
to that because I think every experience is valuable, you know,
24:10
and so there's not a lot of judgment for it.
24:14
but I think that that's really special because that human
24:17
design has that anchor, you know, that helps you with that.
24:20
So how do you deal with that in a session? Cause,
24:24
or does that come up for you or, or anything?
24:26
Cause I, you know, you find out it's like, and
24:28
I do the same thing. It's like when you're, when
24:30
you're paying in pain, please help me is a full sentence,
24:35
you know?
24:36
Speaker 3: Yes.
24:37
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. For me, I would say I've actually come
24:41
across that more with, card.
24:43
Speaker 1: Readings, you know, where.
24:45
Speaker 3: People are looking for a clear cut answer.
24:48
Speaker 2: The way I do cards is I actually prefer to
24:51
kind of explore multiple options or explore the information to
24:54
gather insights rather than find an answer. And that is
24:59
because of human design where you have your own authority
25:03
and that's how you should be deciding.
25:05
Speaker 3: And like, I can't make an aligned decision for you,
25:09
but I can give you the information going on in
25:11
the background and I can show you some potential outcomes.
25:16
I can show you some potential timelines or decisions you
25:19
might want to make.
25:21
Speaker 2: But that's where, yeah, knowing their authority would be super
25:23
helpful because in the end, of course, they should be
25:26
the ones deciding what they're doing to make some aligned
25:30
choice for themselves.
25:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
25:32
Speaker 1: And I think that's good to have that, like I say,
25:35
as an anchor. Oh, and so what has knowing your
25:39
own human design type, how did that change you? How
25:42
did that um, show up for you?
25:44
Speaker 2: Yeah.
25:47
Speaker 3: If you're okay with me starting with my incarnation cross, actually,
25:50
I'll go into that. Okay.
25:53
Speaker 2: So your cross of incarnation is essentially why your soul
25:57
decided to enter this body for this lifetime.
26:00
Speaker 3: What purpose it's going to fulfill.
26:02
Speaker 1: Yeah.
26:02
Speaker 2: So mine, I didn't find out until three or four
26:06
years ago when I took the course, but.
26:08
Speaker 3: Mine is called the cross of defiance. Oh, And which
26:12
sounds crazy. Yeah.
26:15
Speaker 1: Right.
26:17
Speaker 2: But essentially it's about like challenging societal norms, questioning structures
26:22
that are already in place, showing people they can be
26:25
themselves even, even like when it's unique and weird type
26:28
of thing. Um, but the reason that that really spoke
26:32
to me is because of course, growing up, you're taught,
26:35
you know, this is your religion. You're going to grow
26:38
up and get married and have kids. Um, all of
26:40
these types of things. And I just found even from
26:42
a young age, I felt like I didn't really fit
26:46
in with like any.
26:47
Speaker 3: Group in particular.
26:48
Speaker 2: So just for example, like my first research project, I
26:52
remember I was doing vampire bats and king cobras.
26:55
Speaker 3: Right. And I was like, Oh my gosh, I love
26:56
these animals. And all these great threes are like, that's
26:59
so scary.
26:59
Speaker 1: Yeah.
27:00
Speaker 3: So there'd be things like that.
27:02
Speaker 2: And then, um, just not really resonating with religion and,
27:08
um and then as I got older um I am
27:13
really into the metal scene but you know almost everyone
27:17
that finds out I was like well you don't look
27:19
like you listen to metal so there's like that and
27:22
then on the spiritual side it was like most of
27:25
my friends are skeptics at best or.
27:27
Speaker 3: Don't believe in it at all so I didn't feel
27:29
like I fit in with that group either yeah yeah I.
27:31
Speaker 2: Was just like over time it was like in some way,
27:34
shape or form, I'm always the.
27:36
Speaker 1: Weird one and.
27:38
Speaker 2: Don't feel like I fit into anything specifically. And then
27:42
of course, as a teacher and seeing the structures within
27:45
the education system that don't really work, it's like, that's
27:49
a challenge for me as well. So just seeing that
27:53
my purpose has to do with questioning structures and showing
27:56
that you can still be yourself and insight change and
28:01
and just find like better ways to do things that
28:04
really resonated with me. So I really enjoyed finding that
28:08
out about myself, but then also of course, finding out
28:11
the projector energy type where it's like, okay, some people
28:14
like you, for example, and a bunch of my friends
28:17
are on the go all the time. They have all
28:19
these ideas, all these things they want to do. And
28:22
I'm like, okay, well I need a minute. Like I
28:24
will pick one thing you would like to do today. Yeah.
28:28
Speaker 3: If you want me there, right?
28:29
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's fair.
28:31
Speaker 2: Confirming that there's nothing wrong with me. That's just how
28:34
I operate.
28:35
Speaker 1: Yep, yep.
28:36
Speaker 2: Yeah.
28:37
Speaker 1: I feel you. That's when I had my first astrology chart.
28:41
She was like, you're here to, you know, you're going
28:44
to do things differently. And I was like, yes. And
28:48
it's been a hard ride the whole time. So I
28:53
get it. I get it where you're like, everybody's like, yeah,
28:55
we're turning right. And you're like half turning left. It's like,
28:58
why do I get it wrong? Why do I do
29:00
it differently?
29:01
Speaker 2: You're going to be someone who deals with challenges and
29:05
brings around change.
29:06
Speaker 3: You always get the tough stuff.
29:07
Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
29:08
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:09
Speaker 1: Oh, that's funny.
29:10
Speaker 3: That's why they need someone like you because you're willing
29:12
to do it.
29:13
Speaker 2: True. True.
29:20
Speaker 1: How does it work for you to receive the guidance
29:22
or the intuition? What does that look like from your perspective?
29:27
Because I know people are always curious about that.
29:30
Speaker 3: Yeah.
29:31
Speaker 2: And interestingly enough, I always felt like I didn't have
29:35
any intuition compared to other people, which was another tough
29:38
thing going through Reiki training.
29:40
Speaker 3: Shamanic techniques, all of this. The angelic stuff is like, uh....
29:45
Speaker 2: Everyone else has intuition, and I feel like I don't.
29:48
But I would say up until recently, the most common
29:52
way that it happened with me is I would just
29:55
get a random message in my head.
29:57
Speaker 3: So, for example....
30:00
Speaker 2: Um, when I was a kid, there was one time
30:03
that I, well, we lived on an acreage, so we
30:06
had cats and dogs and whatever. And there was one
30:08
morning I woke up and it was just instant panic.
30:12
Where's my cat? And to clarify, like, I'm not, I
30:16
wasn't an anxious person. I wasn't always panicking about where
30:19
the animals were, but this one morning in particular, wake up,
30:22
where's the cat?
30:23
Speaker 3: So it was like jump out of bed, bed and
30:27
go look for her.
30:28
Speaker 2: And eventually we found that the hockey net had fallen
30:31
on her and got caught around her neck and she
30:33
had been strangled and passed away. So there's just been
30:37
a lot of things like that throughout my life where
30:39
it just like pops in as a random thought.
30:42
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:42
Speaker 3: Um, so that's been hard to distinguish sometimes too. Like
30:45
you don't know when you're just thinking of something versus
30:48
a message. Yes. Um, but with Reiki, I would.
30:52
Speaker 2: Say I get a lot more of visualizations, um, And
30:58
with working with angels, I would say I maybe hear
31:01
more messages.
31:01
Speaker 1: Yeah.
31:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
31:03
Speaker 2: But it's also getting to a point too now where
31:05
sometimes I'll just be like out in nature and I'll
31:08
look at a plant and a thought will pop into
31:10
my head.
31:11
Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
31:13
Speaker 3: So it's like developing over time.
31:14
Speaker 2: Yeah.
31:15
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then we didn't talk about the angelic stuff.
31:18
So what was that training? Was that a training? And
31:21
what does that... entail yeah what's that like that journey
31:25
that part of your journey.
31:26
Speaker 2: Yeah so it's actually an angelic healing practitioner course okay
31:29
so you do get a certificate at the end yeah
31:33
and essentially the difference with that is you're specifically working
31:36
with mainly archangels to bring in messages of guidance or
31:41
healing for clients and Uh, the way that I was taught,
31:46
my teacher has her own, what she calls an angel wheel.
31:49
So you have a certain angel assigned to the North, East, Southwest,
31:53
and then you have a bunch in between.
31:55
Speaker 1: Oh, interesting.
31:56
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, so there's different techniques you can do.
32:00
You can just do what's called throwing an angel wheel,
32:03
which is where you're calling in all of the archangels
32:05
to kind of surround you and protect the space, bring
32:08
in healing. Um, Or you can kind of do a
32:11
meditation where you're going around the circle and seeing if
32:14
there's a certain archangel that wants to give you a message.
32:18
And then there's ones that are kind of more well-known
32:21
than other ones, like Archangel Michael, for example, is really
32:24
well-known for protection or cutting cords. Yeah, so you can
32:30
specifically call on an angel or whatever it is you're
32:33
dealing with.
32:35
Speaker 1: How have you experienced the different archangels what do you
32:39
you know i feel like they're i've read a ton
32:41
of books or i've talked you know and everybody has
32:43
their a different way of describing i feel like a
32:46
little bit although you know i know that like archangel
32:48
michaels has the sword for cutting cords i have heard
32:51
that but you know those kind of things but i
32:53
i wondered you know do you have any um stories
32:56
or experiences that were that were interesting in dealing with
33:00
the difference like the the difference between them do they
33:04
show up um how do they show up differently would
33:06
you say Yeah.
33:09
Speaker 3: So for me, there's a few different ways. Sometimes if
33:12
one steps forward from a particular position, I'll know which
33:15
one it is based on the circle of them in
33:17
my head.
33:18
Speaker 1: Okay. So you're visualizing them in your head. You're visualizing.
33:22
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:22
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay.
33:23
Speaker 2: Okay.
33:23
Speaker 3: Yeah.
33:24
Speaker 2: And actually we built a representation of them as well
33:27
of either gemstones or rocks.
33:29
Speaker 3: So there's one that represents each one every time you're
33:32
calling them in.
33:34
Speaker 2: Yeah.
33:35
Speaker 3: So that's one way.
33:36
Speaker 2: Another way is that Like, they'll just kind of tell
33:39
me their name along with their message. So, for example,
33:45
there was one time I was working with Archangel Uriel,
33:48
and he was showing me, like, Rafiki from The Lion King. Ah.
33:54
Kind of like a get out of your head thing.
33:56
And when Rafiki smacks, I think it's Simba in the
33:58
head with a stick.
33:59
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that happened to me. No, like, yeah. So
34:05
sometimes we just do kind of quirky things or.
34:09
Speaker 1: That's what I've heard. I've heard people, you know, that
34:11
they're like a little spiky. Sometimes they can be a
34:14
little like they're, they're not angelic necessarily as we would like.
34:18
Like they're kind of, they're kind of like downtown. I
34:21
don't even, I can't even say down to earth because
34:23
that's the opposite of what they are, but that they're pretty,
34:26
they pretty, they have their little personalities that are a
34:29
little different. And, and I think that's, I love it.
34:33
I love it because I can relate. Right.
34:37
Speaker 3: Yeah.
34:38
Speaker 2: And I think when people, different people work with them,
34:41
each angel will kind of treat them in a way
34:45
that they can.
34:46
Speaker 3: Interpret the message.
34:47
Speaker 1: Right, right, right.
34:47
Speaker 3: For example, yeah, I don't think Archangel Uriel would do
34:50
that to everyone.
34:51
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, right.
34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah.
34:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just listening to a book I pulled up.
34:56
I don't even know whether I think it was like
34:59
Audible or something. And they have a free catalog. And
35:02
there was one on the, and it was a lady
35:05
that had channeled all the archangels, you know, and it
35:09
was like a couple-hour read, you know, so I threw
35:11
it on, and I got to the end of that,
35:13
and I thought, you know, I definitely think they were
35:17
probably talking to her, but they were talking to her
35:21
in her language, in her perspective, you know, and so
35:26
she was speaking, you know, but I was like, you know,
35:29
she doesn't know her language, her ease, her world, you know,
35:34
that's just normal for her, but I could sure hear
35:37
her accent of the interpretation, you know, of what they
35:40
were saying. And I was like, you know, that was
35:42
a good, um, a good exercise for me because, because
35:47
it was like, you know, it's not like I think
35:48
she was some fraud or something, but at the same
35:52
time I was like, you know, I think they would
35:55
speak to me a little differently. Like I could definitely
35:57
tell I'm like, I wouldn't hear that. I wouldn't, you know,
36:01
I wouldn't hear that. Um, And, you know, she was,
36:05
I mean, you could tell she was very, she was
36:09
probably more Orthodox religious. And so there was a lot
36:12
more judgment that was coming in and things like that.
36:15
And I was just like, you know, like, I'm sure that's,
36:18
I mean, that she's speaking, that's her language. She's hearing
36:21
that language. And it was like, and maybe that was
36:26
my own message. It was like, you know, we're going
36:29
to speak to you in your language. And that doesn't
36:31
mean Like our human side wants us to make those contradict.
36:36
But at the same time, what if, you know, what
36:40
if you as an individual are glorious enough to be
36:44
spoken to, you know, to have your world matter, you know,
36:47
and we can each have that. Everybody can have that.
36:49
It was kind of interesting. So that's always been my,
36:52
kind of my feeling when I dip my toe into
36:55
angel work because it's, I'm just surprised at how they're, how, um,
37:02
particular they are to me, you know, like that sometimes
37:05
I'm like, is this, I don't know. It's really interesting.
37:08
It's really, really interesting. And so at.
37:11
Speaker 3: First you're thinking like, Oh, am I making this up?
37:14
Because that's, yeah.
37:16
Speaker 1: You're like, that's really convenient. Um, yeah, it's true. It's true.
37:21
And so is there more than just the archangels or
37:24
is it mostly working with archangels that you do?
37:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, mainly that's who I work with just because they have,
37:31
you know.
37:31
Speaker 1: A signed name.
37:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just working with clients in general through Reiki
37:37
or whatever, like sometimes you see other spirit guides or
37:42
like animal.
37:43
Speaker 3: Guides, plant guides, or other angels that are just, yeah.
37:48
Speaker 2: Like I don't think it's, in my opinion, even though
37:51
I know a lot with names, I don't think the.
37:53
Speaker 3: Names are overly important.
37:55
Speaker 2: Important like there's still spirit guides I work with where
37:57
I don't know their name right they're always helping me
38:00
with the same type of thing I see the same person.
38:02
Speaker 1: Yeah same thing yeah I I you know I was
38:05
really adamant on asking for a name and it was
38:09
like if you want to call me something you know
38:11
what I mean but I was shown I was shown
38:13
like imagine being like I was shown like I'm at
38:15
the I'm at a park this is this what came
38:18
into my imagination I'm at a park And a little
38:20
two-year-old comes up and says, Mama, Mama, I'm not going
38:23
to be offended. Like, I'm just going to answer that
38:26
little child. Like, you know what I mean? That, like,
38:29
I'm not going to be admitted. I'm not going to say, no, no,
38:32
that's not my name. You know, I'm not going to
38:33
be offended.
38:34
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
38:36
Speaker 1: And that a name, you know, there's the name is
38:41
letters put together, you know, which is a little different
38:44
than who you are. Like, it's not quite who you are.
38:48
So anyway, I get what you're saying there. I think
38:50
that's fascinating. So if someone listening wanted to begin doing
38:58
maybe some readings for themselves, what would you say? Where
39:01
do they begin? And maybe what's a mistake that is
39:06
often made? But those two questions, where would they begin?
39:10
And how can we calm their fears of, quote, a mistake?
39:17
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to start with the mistake actually,
39:19
because I think almost everyone does it at some point.
39:22
But I think the most common mistake is asking a
39:26
question where you are set on what you want the
39:29
answer to.
39:30
Speaker 3: Be. And you're essentially unwilling to accept any other answer.
39:34
Speaker 2: So one common one, of course, is like, will this
39:37
relationship work out? Right.
39:39
Speaker 3: Right. That's just like, that's such a common one.
39:42
Speaker 1: I feel that. I feel that for those people. I
39:45
really do. But at the same time, yeah. Yeah.
39:48
Speaker 3: Yeah.
39:48
Speaker 2: So if you're asking a question like that and you're
39:51
genuinely not open to exploring the different options and it's like, no,
39:56
I want to hear that me and this person are
39:58
going to be together forever, then you're either going to
40:03
hate the cards or whatever it is that you find
40:05
that don't agree with it, or you're just going to
40:08
interpret everything in a way that you want to hear. Yep.
40:11
Speaker 1: I remember muscle testing. muscle testing one day. I was
40:15
just like, no, we're not. I mean, I was just,
40:17
I know I was forcing it because I did. I
40:20
had an answer I wanted and I had a pit
40:24
in my stomach while I was doing it, which I
40:27
look now back and I'm like, girl, but I, you know, I,
40:32
it was, it was so tender at the time that
40:35
I really wanted this answer to be that way. So
40:37
I can give myself some compassion, but I know that feeling.
40:41
So I know that feeling. I get that. So that's
40:43
really good advice.
40:44
Speaker 3: That's true.
40:46
Speaker 1: Like don't ask the cards, just do what you're going
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to do. If that's where you're at, just, just move
40:51
forward and, and, and the universe will support you. I mean,
40:56
it will, you know, yeah, there's always, there's always something
41:00
good there. So that's a really good, that's really good advice.
41:03
Really good advice.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: So that would, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Um, so for a place to start, um, I would
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say anything that has a visual like cards, for example,
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just looking at a card and seeing what are the
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things you notice. So are you noticing color? Are you
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noticing a particular animal? Are you noticing the number of
41:23
people in it? Are you noticing the direction they're looking? Because,
41:27
for example, like you and I might even read cards differently. Right.
41:31
if let's say we both see a frog in it,
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you might have a different meaning or definition for a
41:36
frog than I would, but we could still both interpret
41:39
that correctly depending on what it is we're looking for.
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So I would just say, yeah, being gentle with yourself
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and knowing that what you're picking up is still correct.
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So don't feel like you have to memorize what certain
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meanings are, but what is standing out to you, And
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when that's done, what does it make you think of
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or how does it make you feel? Or again, if
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you want to use more than one deck, because I'll
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give you an example. When I was doing the I
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want this answer when I shouldn't have been, I pulled
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the tower card, which, yay.
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Speaker 3: And then I was like, no, I don't like that answer.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to use my other tarot deck. And I'm
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going to let you guess what card I pulled. Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Oh, no.
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Speaker 1: You're like, no.
42:24
Speaker 2: No. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Which is that, that's more like, and so describe just
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for those that don't know, what would that represent?
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Speaker 2: So the tower card is typically when something's about to
42:37
come crashing down, something that felt like it had structure
42:41
before and is just kind of like falling out from
42:44
beneath your feet. You need to burn everything down, let
42:46
it crumble and then rebuild it type of thing.
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Speaker 3: So yeah.
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Speaker 2: Now that I've had lots of experience with the Tower card,
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I don't fear it as much because I know it
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just means you're letting go of whatever it is that
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isn't working and then you're going to start building something
43:01
better or find something better or start the next chapter.
43:04
So it's definitely a turning point. A lot of people
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are scared of that card, including me in the past.
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Speaker 1: I love it. And that brings up a good point because,
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you know, as you're learning tarot, especially because... because it
43:19
is a little more structured than Oracle cards, you know,
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there is a structure to it. And as our human
43:24
minds want to say, all right, this, this means this and,
43:28
and this means that. And, and so how are you
43:33
able to, um, support people, you know, because it's like, um,
43:40
it can be so easy to, to be scared of
43:42
something or to, to define something so rigidly that, You're like,
43:47
oh no, something bad's going to happen. You know, I
43:48
got the tower. What's going to, you know, and it
43:51
can cause, I think some people, maybe that's part of
43:55
their resistance to it is it's like they over identify
43:59
with it. You know, how, how do you prevent that?
44:02
Or what do you have to say about that?
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Speaker 2: Yeah. So this is typically why when I do readings,
44:08
I would do multiple scenarios or um like here's a
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potential outcome or here's something you can do to work
44:16
through this right so rather than just ending it at
44:20
okay yeah good luck you're gonna have a bad time for.
44:23
Speaker 1: A while right right it's like going.
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Speaker 2: Into more cards or exploring that issue more like okay
44:29
let's say it's losing your job okay so it looks
44:33
like you're gonna lose your job or it's gonna you
44:35
know get a.
44:35
Speaker 3: New boss and the job's gonna suck Yeah. And it's like, okay,
44:38
so what are some options for you?
44:40
Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: It's like, what can you start doing.
44:44
Speaker 2: To help yourself or, you know, just exploring how people
44:47
can take it into their own hands. Because even though
44:50
humans all go through, you know, tough and challenging times,
44:54
we do still have free will.
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Speaker 3: No matter what any cards say.
44:57
Speaker 1: Right.
44:58
Speaker 2: And.
44:59
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're able to take steps no matter what the
45:02
situation is, even if it's going to be difficult.
45:05
Speaker 2: So I think exploring some of that can be helpful
45:08
for sure.
45:09
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Well, I
45:12
wonder if this is even a question to ask, but
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what is the Phoenix teaching you now? How is it
45:21
since you have taken on that name in your company?
45:24
How has that changed? And is that still showing up?
45:27
And what is it teaching you now?
45:30
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is for sure. I would say it's kind
45:33
of supporting me as a transformation piece.
45:37
Speaker 1: Ah, yeah.
45:37
Speaker 3: So before I.
45:39
Speaker 2: Decided to officially start this, of course, I was like, hey,
45:42
there's so many people in this field. It's super saturated.
45:46
Everyone's more intuitive than me. Like, no one knows me.
45:51
Speaker 3: I feel you.
45:52
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Who am I?
45:54
Speaker 2: Or even close friends are, like, skeptical, so it's, like,
45:57
harder to practice on them.
45:58
Speaker 3: Yep. So.
45:59
Speaker 2: It's just been kind of embracing things as they come.
46:02
So even if I've been scared, I'm like, well, I'm
46:05
going to do it anyway. And if, you know, someone
46:07
doesn't enjoy the experience, they just won't come back.
46:10
Speaker 3: It's fine.
46:11
Speaker 1: Right.
46:11
Speaker 3: So, so for example, there was.
46:15
Speaker 2: One woman that reached out to me asking about me
46:18
clearing her business area, which I was like, oh, that's
46:22
not even something I offer. But I've also been trained
46:24
in like those types of things.
46:25
Speaker 3: Right, right. So I used my authority and waited overnight
46:30
and I was like, yeah, okay, I'll do it. Um,
46:33
so did that.
46:33
Speaker 2: And then she contacted me a few more times and
46:36
she ended up coming up with this, um, unique event.
46:40
She wanted to try where me, her and one other
46:43
practitioner would do a group event, kind of like a
46:46
sound bath, except in this group event, all three of
46:51
us are rotating between each person for five or so
46:53
minutes and giving them.
46:55
Speaker 3: An individual treatment. Um, So the fact that, yeah, she
46:59
reached out to me, of.
47:00
Speaker 2: Course I was like, Oh my gosh, I've had, you know,
47:03
only a few months of doing this business. How could
47:06
I go meet a random group of people and work
47:09
on them?
47:10
Speaker 1: Yeah.
47:11
Speaker 3: Yeah. This thing that I've never.
47:12
Speaker 2: Seen done before. Um, but then, you know, on the
47:15
Phoenix side of things, it's like, no, you can leave
47:17
that fear behind, go try it out. If it doesn't work,
47:20
it doesn't work. And if it does, then like you
47:22
get to reach more people in a shorter amount of time.
47:26
Speaker 1: So, Yeah.
47:27
Speaker 2: Um, yeah, there's just been different experiences like that, like
47:30
going to do Reiki in a hospital, those types of
47:32
things where it's like, okay, I'm going to.
47:34
Speaker 3: Try it out. Right. Yeah.
47:36
Speaker 1: Okay. So to describe to us what a session looks
47:39
like then can, and so can people do it online
47:42
with you, you know, or are you only in person
47:44
or what does that look like?
47:47
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I typically only do online just because of the.
47:50
Speaker 2: Space I'm in right now and because I'm still working
47:53
full time.
47:53
Speaker 3: Yeah.
47:54
Speaker 2: Um, so depending on what type of session it is,
47:58
people are looking for, like if they're looking for a
48:00
human design reading, they would just have to send me
48:03
their birth info ahead of time.
48:05
Speaker 3: And then I go do all my research on it. Yeah.
48:07
Speaker 2: And then our appointment, I go through what I think
48:10
is the most important, but if they have any questions
48:14
specifically about the way they, they operate, then I'll go
48:16
into that. Um, if it's a Reiki session, um, then
48:21
usually we'll meet online like this or by phone at
48:24
the beginning. You know, I kind of ask like, what
48:26
are their concerns? What have they been experiencing? What are
48:29
they looking to work on? And then depending on their preference,
48:33
we'll either stay online together through the session or we'll
48:37
kind of hang up and I'll do distance Reiki. And
48:41
then typically I'll take notes and if they want me
48:43
to go over them at the end, then we meet
48:46
again like this or I email them to them or
48:49
if they don't, want notes and they're like, Nope, I
48:51
just want to relax and receive the healing.
48:53
Speaker 3: Then, you know, we'll just check in later, make sure
48:55
they're feeling okay.
48:57
Speaker 2: And then, um, if I'm doing a reading or a
49:00
mixed one, then same thing, we'll go over what their
49:03
kind of questions are. I'll pull the cards on the
49:06
video call, go over kind of what I'm sensing as
49:11
we go through it.
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Speaker 3: And then same thing at the end, I will take
49:15
notes and I will type them up and send it
49:17
with all the pictures to the client.
49:20
Speaker 1: Nice.
49:20
Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah.
49:22
Speaker 1: Yeah. That is nice. That is nice. Great. Well, um, yeah,
49:26
we'll make sure to put, to link your, all of your, um,
49:29
links in the show notes so that people can reach
49:32
out and it sounds like you're pretty, they can, they
49:35
can come to you with what they kind of want
49:36
to do and you figure out a way to make
49:38
it happen for them, which is very nice. That's very nice.
49:41
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's pretty flexible actually. So that's kind of nice.
49:44
Speaker 2: Cause I prefer that and having, or being able to
49:46
experience a variety of things over just one, you know,
49:50
straight shot service.
49:51
Speaker 1: For sure. Yeah. I love it. I love it. Well,
49:54
we ask, we always ask our, our guests the same
49:57
question at the end. And, and that's amazing to me
50:00
that it's different every time, but for you, when I,
50:03
think of the word, when you think of the word
50:05
wholeness or that idea, how does that show up for you?
50:09
What does that look like? And how, what would you
50:12
have to say about the idea of wholeness?
50:16
Speaker 2: When I think of the word wholeness, I would almost
50:18
connect it to being the authentic self, especially with just
50:24
seeing people really change who they are to fit a
50:27
certain mold or fit in with a certain group or,
50:29
you know, avoid shame or embarrassment. I would just say
50:32
being whole is getting back to who you feel that
50:35
you genuinely are and not being afraid to share that.
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Speaker 3: With the world.
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Speaker 1: Before you go, if this episode resonated with you and
50:45
you're craving a place to go deeper, I want to
50:47
invite you into the Wholeness Library. It is our membership
50:51
community where we do this work together. Resources, support, and
50:55
a space where we don't have to figure things out alone.
50:58
You can find a link in the show notes and
51:00
I'd love to see you there.