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THANKFUL THROWBACKS: Romance & Murder · Cosmic Peach

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Thursday's Thankful Throwbacks. See, we don't
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  Speaker 1: just skip straight to Christmas shit right after Halloween like
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  Speaker 1: most people do.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no.
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  Speaker 3: November is my birthday month. And we do things in
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  Speaker 3: order around here. November gets celebrated too, people. But Julia,
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  Speaker 3: the pilgrims murdered all the indigenous people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Thanksgiving's a scam.
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  Speaker 4: I get it.
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  Speaker 3: Fuck the pilgrims, okay?
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  Speaker 2: Fuck them.
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  Speaker 3: But since I've been born, my family has always used
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  Speaker 3: Thanksgiving as sort of a hybrid holiday to celebrate my birthday.
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  Speaker 3: Since it's right around the corner, November 30th. And that's
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  Speaker 3: what November has always been for me. It's a big
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  Speaker 3: celebratory month of good food and lots of family and friends.
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  Speaker 3: So this Thanksgiving, if you're not into the holiday itself,
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  Speaker 3: just think of it as an honorary Cosmic Peach birthday celebration.
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  Speaker 3: But anyways, these are the thankful throwbacks, and thank you
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  Speaker 3: for being here. I hope you enjoy them. Happy November.
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  Speaker 5: All right, everyone, you are listening to Sugar, Spice and
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  Speaker 5: Everything Conspiracy, the best roundtable you will ever hear. And
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  Speaker 5: we have my three favorite peaches on tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: My favorite three peaches in a podcast. We have Kelsey,
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  Speaker 5: returning champ.
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  Speaker 2: Kelsey, how are you?
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  Speaker 4: I'm doing well, brother. How are you?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so good.
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  Speaker 5: Happy that we are together tonight. And then Tetris goddess.
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  Speaker 5: How are you, beautiful?
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  Speaker 2: Wonderful. How are you, Julia?
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  Speaker 5: Oh, I am just absolutely thrilled. I cannot wait to
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  Speaker 5: get this one started. And tonight we have on my
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  Speaker 5: oldest and longest friend, Tiffany. And she can really dig
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  Speaker 5: up some dirt on my ass. So everybody watch out. Tiff,
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  Speaker 5: how are you?
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here. This is awesome. And
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  Speaker 2: this is going to be the best episode.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Best episode of all time. Definitely. So I know that
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  Speaker 2: I gave.
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  Speaker 5: You guys a little bit of homework and I kind
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  Speaker 5: of let you know what we're going to be talking
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  Speaker 5: about tonight. But it's something I feel like most women
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  Speaker 5: enjoy talking about, which is romance novels and serial killers.
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  Speaker 6: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, what we're going to do tonight, what I want
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  Speaker 5: to show the listeners is how these two things could
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  Speaker 5: possibly be connected. And I want to start out with Kelsey.
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  Speaker 5: You are the lucky contestant number one.
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  Speaker 2: Bring it on.
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  Speaker 5: So, Kelsey, I know I gave you some homework of
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  Speaker 5: looking into Nanny Doss, and I also gave Tiffany this homework,
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  Speaker 5: but I want to know, she probably found something different,
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  Speaker 5: or maybe I found something different, and then Tetris is
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  Speaker 5: going to talk to us about some romance novels, but
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  Speaker 5: tell me about Nanny Doss.
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  Speaker 4: So, Nanny Doss is a woman. She was born in
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  Speaker 4: 1905 in Alabama. she was born out of wedlock. So
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  Speaker 4: her mother, small town Alabama, she gets pregnant, refuses to
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  Speaker 4: tell anyone who the father is. And in 1905, having
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  Speaker 4: a baby when you're not married, you're scorned. You're worthless
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  Speaker 4: to everybody in the town. No man's going to want
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  Speaker 4: to marry you and take on that financial responsibility. And
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  Speaker 4: he has no real biological stake in it, I guess.
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  Speaker 4: So eventually she does have Nanny Doss. Her name is Nancy.
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  Speaker 4: She goes by Nanny. And she ends up getting proposed
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  Speaker 4: to by this man named James. James is a farmer.
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  Speaker 4: He's very poor. He inherited his family's farm. They were
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  Speaker 4: severely in debt and he didn't have a wife. He
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  Speaker 4: didn't have any children. So he didn't have any laborers,
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  Speaker 4: free labor. And so when Nanny's mother moves in with
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  Speaker 4: James on the farm, Her mom, just a week after
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  Speaker 4: giving birth to Nanny, is working sunup, sundown on this farm,
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  Speaker 4: like hard physical labor. And Nanny is just basically neglected,
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  Speaker 4: left in the house all alone by herself until she's
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  Speaker 4: old enough to start working. So, you know, as soon
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  Speaker 4: as she can walk, she's with her mother in the
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  Speaker 4: field working sunup to sundown. Eventually they're like, this isn't
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  Speaker 4: going to cut it. We're still like barely breaking even.
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  Speaker 4: So we need to have more kids. And so they
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  Speaker 4: have four more children. And Nanny, of course, ends up
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  Speaker 4: taking care of all of them, mothering all of them,
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  Speaker 4: while she and her mother are being physically abused, mentally
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  Speaker 4: and emotionally abused by James. Because James isn't Nanny's biological father.
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  Speaker 4: He doesn't care about her. He does like his own children,
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  Speaker 4: like his biological children. I mean, he's still like an
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  Speaker 4: abusive asshole. But Nanny really took the brunt of it.
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  Speaker 4: just because the situation that her and her mother were
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  Speaker 4: in at the time of her birth. And one thing
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  Speaker 4: about James is that he hated Nanny trying to go
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  Speaker 4: to school and become educated because she needed to be
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  Speaker 4: at farm working. And so she went to school a
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  Speaker 4: couple of times, mainly when it wasn't harvest season. but
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  Speaker 4: she would get so behind. She was poor. She was
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  Speaker 4: bullied in school. So she was like, you know, it's
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  Speaker 4: just not worth it. She ended up becoming like pretty well-spoken,
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  Speaker 4: not like well-educated in the sense of like a lot
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  Speaker 4: of schooling, but she did read a lot. And her
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  Speaker 4: favorite were romance novels, which her father hated. He wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: let them, you know, wear dresses, wear makeup, indulge in
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  Speaker 4: like any sort of femininity. He was like, that's going
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  Speaker 4: to get you molested. But ironically enough, he would let
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  Speaker 4: his family molest nanny when she was 12 years old.
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  Speaker 4: I heard on a podcast because again, not his biological kid,
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  Speaker 4: he didn't care. So there was one situation where she
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  Speaker 4: was at a family party and he had like a
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  Speaker 4: pretty big family. So one of her uncles is like
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  Speaker 4: groping her breasts and like lifting up her dress and like,
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  Speaker 4: just trying to unbutton her, just molesting her in front
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  Speaker 4: of her entire family. And James and all the adults
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  Speaker 4: in the situation put the blame on that, right? It's
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  Speaker 4: your fault. You put yourself in this situation to be molested.
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  Speaker 4: You 12 year old child, it's your fault. And so,
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  Speaker 4: but one of the biggest things that I did kind
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  Speaker 4: of gloss over, which I think it does make a
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  Speaker 4: lot of difference in her situation is when she was
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  Speaker 4: seven years old, they were on the train to go
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  Speaker 4: visit some of James's family. And while they're riding the train,
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  Speaker 4: Nanny's reading one of her romance novels. But a pine
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  Speaker 4: tree falls on the tracks. And so the train conductor
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  Speaker 4: has to slam on the brakes. And Nanny's sitting with
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  Speaker 4: a metal bar in front of her. So she, when
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  Speaker 4: they hit the brakes, just slams forward, knocked unconscious for hours.
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  Speaker 4: She just wakes up at her family's house, has no
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  Speaker 4: clue what happened to her. And ever since then, she
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  Speaker 4: had like migraines. I mean, it was like severe brain trauma.
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  Speaker 4: And you can imagine how that would affect someone, especially
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  Speaker 4: in your developmental years in your childhood, how that's going
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  Speaker 4: to affect you. your brain how you form relationships how
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  Speaker 4: you socialize how you take in information.
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  Speaker 5: Your bit your basic cognitive functions are going to be
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  Speaker 5: like like you have a massive head injury or whatever
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  Speaker 5: and i don't know if that's what led to what
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  Speaker 5: she eventually ended up doing tiff did you get in
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  Speaker 5: on any of this when you researched.
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  Speaker 2: Her Let me just say, first of all, that was impressive.
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  Speaker 2: She's retained a lot of knowledge.
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  Speaker 6: I'm over here looking at my notes like, okay, you
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  Speaker 6: basically covered her.
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  Speaker 2: Whole childhood, her whole life.
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  Speaker 6: When I was researching her, I just was really, really
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  Speaker 6: thrown off that she had all those husbands and just
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  Speaker 6: basically killed everyone around her. I felt like every paragraph
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  Speaker 6: I kept reading, I was like, Oh, I.
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  Speaker 2: Just, it was so disturbing.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I mean, so Tetris, I never told you
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  Speaker 5: about Nanny Doss because I wanted your genuine reaction to
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  Speaker 5: this story. So Nanny Doss is obsessed with romance novels.
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  Speaker 5: She has like this horrible childhood. She bangs her head
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  Speaker 5: on a pipe, obviously. She's got some cognitive issues, grows up.
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  Speaker 5: and her body count is 11. She killed four of
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  Speaker 5: her husbands and at least four other family members.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. But judging from what Kelsey and Tiffany has, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let us know about her and getting her head hit
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  Speaker 2: during those very crucial moments, adolescent years, it's understandable, especially
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  Speaker 2: hearing about the sexual assault she endured. Of course, I don't,
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  Speaker 2: you know, murdering 11 people. It's horrible, but it is understandable.
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  Speaker 2: It's understandable when a father figure in her life is
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  Speaker 2: letting her, you know, get molested in front of the family.
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  Speaker 2: And I have learned that people sometimes romanticize death and
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  Speaker 2: romanticize murder. And I've seen this in several romance novels.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you mentioned this, I'm just like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: this poor woman, it's so sad what happened to her.
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  Speaker 2: She commits all these murders, but I do understand it.
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  Speaker 2: I do understand it. So do you think that maybe... With.
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  Speaker 5: Her head not being in the right place, all she
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  Speaker 5: wants is love. All she wants is love. She's never
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  Speaker 5: felt love from her mom, maybe from her mom, but
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  Speaker 5: she's never felt love from her dad. She was molested
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  Speaker 5: in front of her whole family by her uncle. So
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  Speaker 5: I think in a way, even though she ended up
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  Speaker 5: murdering them. It was like she was constantly just like
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  Speaker 5: needing the attention, wanting love, wanting. And, you know, what
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  Speaker 5: they said about her was that she would she would
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  Speaker 5: lace the victim's food with arsenic. So she was making
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  Speaker 5: poison pies for them. So it was almost like.
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  Speaker 2: I think coffee was one of her favorites. I do
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  Speaker 2: remember reading that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just a poison cup of coffee and a slice
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  Speaker 5: of poison pie.
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  Speaker 2: She's literally like the murderous granny.
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  Speaker 5: She's like a murderous grandma.
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  Speaker 2: Right, right. And of course, again, as I say, it's
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  Speaker 2: so horrendous, all the crimes she committed. But when I
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  Speaker 2: have looked into serial killers, they do often, a lot
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  Speaker 2: of them, have this horrendous childhood. They were sexually assaulted. Um,
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  Speaker 2: and then I have read some, you know, serial killer
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  Speaker 2: books or with that combines romance. And I have read
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  Speaker 2: some books, how the book withholding, um, the gentleman who
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  Speaker 2: killed John Lennon was obsessed with this book. Very famous book.
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  Speaker 2: Do you ladies happen to know what I'm talking about?
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  Speaker 5: No, but I know the guy who killed John Lennon
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  Speaker 5: was a psychopath.
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  Speaker 2: Catcher in the Rye. Catcher in the Rye. Thank you
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  Speaker 2: so much, Kelsey. In Catcher in the Rye, there's a
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  Speaker 2: part in the book where Holden is at a restaurant
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  Speaker 2: or something, and there's this couple, and they're talking about
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  Speaker 2: a funeral. They're talking about death, and as they're As
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  Speaker 2: they're talking, they're touching each other under the table. It's
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  Speaker 2: like this was arousing them. And I think somehow this
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  Speaker 2: poor girl confused and put death and murder with love
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  Speaker 2: and romanticized it. And unfortunately, the result was murdering people.
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  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: with sexual abuse in their past, they also tend to
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  Speaker 4: develop very dark kinks like that. Like there's consensual oh
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  Speaker 4: the king yeah sort of thing and like choking asphyxiation
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  Speaker 4: like blood play like a lot of that does play
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  Speaker 4: into how one develops ideas about sexual intimacy their own
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  Speaker 4: relationships and like there are a lot of dark like
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  Speaker 4: serial killer romances that I've seen on TikTok and like
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  Speaker 4: dark mafia romances that just romanticize abuse and they're just
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  Speaker 4: like but he's he.
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  Speaker 2: Loves her.
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  Speaker 4: And so it's just sad to see that like the
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  Speaker 4: cycle repeats itself.
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  Speaker 5: Kind of like 50 shades of gray or whatever when
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  Speaker 5: everybody was reading those books but no that's a good
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  Speaker 5: point and that's actually what i was going to ask
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  Speaker 5: tetris because she reads them all the time it's like
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  Speaker 5: do you feel like in any way romance novels if
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  Speaker 5: you're mentally unstable could lead you like maybe you have
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  Speaker 5: unrealistic expectations of relationships and love. And like, do you
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  Speaker 5: think that might play a part in it?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely. 100%. As Julia just mentioned, I read a lot
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  Speaker 2: of romance novels and I've been this hopeless romantic since
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  Speaker 2: I was a child. Now, not in the serial killer sense,
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  Speaker 2: but the sense that it gives you this unrealistic you know,
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  Speaker 2: portrayal of what a relationship should be, what love should be.
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  Speaker 2: So even, you know, I'm 36 years old, but even
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  Speaker 2: to this day in my head, I'm like Prince Charming
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  Speaker 2: and la la la, you know, and it's not. And
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  Speaker 2: I think that people with certain mental health conditions can
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  Speaker 2: 100% get the wrong idea. There's this book I read
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  Speaker 2: called Romeo. It was exactly what we're talking about, a
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  Speaker 2: combined serial killer, flash serial You know, romance. This guy
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  Speaker 2: romance these women so much. They were so drawn to me,
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  Speaker 2: so good with me just to kill them. And that's
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  Speaker 2: where he got the arousal, you know. And then when
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  Speaker 2: you read the book, it shows that he was molested.
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  Speaker 2: The serial killer was molested. And that's it's bad. And
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  Speaker 2: I think during those cognitive years, those crucial years when
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  Speaker 2: your brain's developing, if sexual abuse occurs, something like this
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  Speaker 2: can happen. Yeah. Oh, absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: And, you know, what's crazy about it is they did
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  Speaker 5: a study in 2009 on what, like, the biggest grossing
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  Speaker 5: books were.
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  Speaker 2: And it was actually.
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  Speaker 5: Found that in the USA alone, romantic fiction novels were
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  Speaker 5: at $ 1.
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  Speaker 2: 4 billion. Wow. I didn't expect that statistic. I didn't
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  Speaker 2: expect that.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, that's a massive amount of people reading romance novels. So,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, it just goes to show you how addictive
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  Speaker 5: they can be, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I am a little surprised. I'm a little
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  Speaker 2: flabbergasted at that statistic because I love romance novels, but
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  Speaker 2: I have yet to meet... Any friends that love them,
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  Speaker 2: but they're out there. There's more me's out there.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Tiffany, did you ever read romance novels? Well, do you consider, like,
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  Speaker 6: Nicholas Sparks romance?
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  Speaker 4: Have you read fan fiction?
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  Speaker 2: No. I'm reading Harry Potter right now.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, well, there's a lot of Harry Potter fan fiction.
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  Speaker 4: You could check out a lot of Dromidey.
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  Speaker 2: Just saying.
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  Speaker 4: Manacles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, like Julia mentioned Fifty Shades of Grey earlier. If
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  Speaker 2: I'm not mistaking, isn't that fan fiction? It's Twilight.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And like, I love more older romance novels and more
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  Speaker 2: kind of on the erotica side, which is a whole
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  Speaker 2: other conversation. Next time. Yeah, I'm happy to know that
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  Speaker 2: there are so many other romance novel fans.
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  Speaker 4: What about you, Julia?
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  Speaker 2: Are you a romance novel fan?
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I dabbled in it in younger years when
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  Speaker 5: my mom wanted to go to the library all the
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  Speaker 5: time because they always had the prettiest covers and like
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  Speaker 5: the brightest, you know. colors and pink and lacy covers
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  Speaker 5: with all like the little garden of eden scene where
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  Speaker 5: you know she's like taking an apple from the tree
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  Speaker 5: or something i was like oh look.
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  Speaker 2: Yes i just wanted i had to have one next
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  Speaker 2: to me exactly one of those the.
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  Speaker 4: Oil painting covers you know like on classics what are
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  Speaker 4: the old room there's like a term for them i
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  Speaker 4: cannot remember it but like the old like scandalous romance
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  Speaker 4: novels where they were like like Fabio Fabio was a
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  Speaker 4: romance novel like model those oil paintings are so beautiful
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  Speaker 4: that's it.
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  Speaker 5: No they look really good that's the thing I everything
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  Speaker 5: about them is kind of like enticing because they're pretty
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  Speaker 5: they got great cover art and then you read them
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  Speaker 5: and they're like sexy psychopathic and you know it's like
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  Speaker 5: addicting like I said but and sometimes people have suggested
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  Speaker 5: that like The escapism of romance novels and, like, the
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  Speaker 5: promotion of psychosexual problems.
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  Speaker 5: Is prevalent with just the romance novel genre and it's
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  Speaker 5: like this idealized depiction of like love and sex and
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  Speaker 5: it often leads to disappointment in actual relationships because you've
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  Speaker 5: built it all up in your head like you're going
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  Speaker 5: to be with christian gray and then actually you just
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  Speaker 5: end up with joe schmoe.
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  Speaker 4: Joe oh speaking of joe.
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  Speaker 2: I know we're talking about romance novels here, but there's
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  Speaker 2: a show called You. It's serious.
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 5: All right all right let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: And sorry to just kind of go on a tangent
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  Speaker 2: but i love it i i love it oh my
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  Speaker 2: gosh yet joe from you is so dreamy to me
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  Speaker 2: but he's this killer And, you know, I was talking
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  Speaker 2: to another girl lately and I was like, why can't
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  Speaker 2: he stalk me? You know, in real life, obviously, I
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  Speaker 2: would be petrified. But the fantasy of it, this man
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  Speaker 2: who kills for these women, that he's just this super
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  Speaker 2: cute guy that loves books, kills, you know?
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  Speaker 4: So I was like, oh, yeah, you. Without all the psychopathy,
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  Speaker 4: he'd be perfect, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So perfect.
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  Speaker 6: Tiff you got the hots for joe oh yeah who
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  Speaker 6: doesn't be a little creepy you know.
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  Speaker 5: Who i had the hots for for the longest time
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  Speaker 5: was dexter understandable i like.
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  Speaker 4: Phantom and phantom of the opera you're really not supposed.
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  Speaker 5: To so we're all dark and twisted good Like with Dexter,
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  Speaker 5: think about it, you guys. He's a psycho serial killer,
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  Speaker 5: but he only kills bad guys. And he's some kind
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  Speaker 5: of a genius, and he does blood splatter analysis, and
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  Speaker 5: he does all this stuff, and he works for the
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: forensic team, and obviously... Everything about him is perfect. Other
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: than his murderous side.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Even at the end of the day. It's like
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: he only murders bad people. If he can get behind it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: I haven't seen Jack Dexter too much. But I know
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I have seen a few episodes. He's really cute too.
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: And it's the same thing for Joe. Like I make
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: excuses for Joe. I'm like look. He's just trying to
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: get rid of the people. That are in his way.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: He just loves her so much. It don't justify. It
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: don't justify.
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: But if you want to talk about serial killers and cuteness,
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, Ted Bundy was pretty.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Now, here we go. Here we go.
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: Richard Ramirez.
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: Oh, Richard Ramirez.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: The Night Stalker. I couldn't.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Who also had a head injury. Yeah.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't know that. Do you know how old
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: he was when he had that head in her?
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: I don't. I think he was young.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: He was young. I don't remember.
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: He had to be young. But, you know, it's funny
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: you bring up Ted Bundy because I prepared a little
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: statement from Ted Bundy for our episode tonight. Because what
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: we're talking about with the romance novels, and there was
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: a study that I'll spare you the details, but the
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: study basically said reading romance novels is as addictive as
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: watching pornography. So if we're talking about something being as
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: addictive as pornography, what kind of a role does that
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: have in people's lives?
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Pornography, obviously.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: And Ted Bundy, while he was in jail, right before
• 23:03
  Speaker 5: they put him on death row or actually right before
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: they executed him, he was interviewed and he said, I've
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: lived in prison for a long time now, and I've
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: met a lot of men who were motivated to commit
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: violence just like me. And without exception, every one of
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: them was deeply influenced and consumed by an addiction to pornography.
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: Like snuff films and like you can again, you can
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: get addicted to porn. And that can affect your actual
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: real life sexual relationships. And especially like porn isn't entirely ethical,
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: especially a lot of the commercialized porn. There's still a
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: lot of abuse in that industry, which just serves to, again,
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: just it repeats the cycle of misogyny and abuse and chauvinism,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: which happened to Nanny as well. So yeah.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: Well, like with pornography, let's say, and like Ted Bundy
• 24:04
  Speaker 5: coming out and saying that, I went and I was
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: looking for more information about that statement. And I saw
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: another interview he did where he basically said he started
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: with the magazines. And then he started watching videos and
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: then he wanted a little bit more violent videos and
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: then that wasn't doing it for him. So he wanted
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: to did a little bit more violent. And then he
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: said that wasn't doing it for me. So I wanted
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: to do it in real life. So he started raping
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: and that wasn't doing it for him. So he needed
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: the death, the murder part to actually get him off.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I've heard this. There was a singer
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: to a rock band and it's, it's horrible. He, he raped,
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: you know, babies and excuse me for bringing such a,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: such a sad. Yeah. And it reminds me of what
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: you're saying about Ted Bundy, because the same guy, first,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: it was a lot of women. Then women weren't, then
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it was younger and younger. And younger and younger, and
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: it wasn't tuning it to him all the way up
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: until it was babies. And it's such a horrible thought.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: And it's such a horrible concept that I couldn't even
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: believe it at first, but it is the sad truth.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And I think what you were saying, Kelsey, like porn
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: playing a big part in it and it not being ethical,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of it's not ethical. And sometimes you come across,
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: I myself have come across things where I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: this does not, this looks real. This does not look,
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: you know, this does not look right. This girl doesn't
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: look happy, you know? And so I definitely, I definitely
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: think because it just, a person gets addicted and then
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: they're not satisfied and they got to go more and
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: more and more and more until they do. Yeah.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: And you know what the weird thing about that is,
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: and it's so awesome. You brought that up because I
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: wanted to see why that chain of events is And
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: so I came across this study and it said the
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: title was How Porn Affects the Brain. And it says
• 26:24
  Speaker 5: our brains have what scientists call mirror neurons. These are
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: brain cells that fire not only when we do things ourselves,
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: but also when we watch other people do things, which
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: is why movies can make us cry or feel angry
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: or feel scared. These mirror neurons let us share the
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: emotions of other people's experience as we watch it. In
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: the case of porn, if you get off, watching someone
• 26:55
  Speaker 5: getting slapped, beaten, you know, the really gruesome, rough stuff.
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: And you associate in your mind, oh, well, she felt
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: pleasure when he did that. Then it like you're sharing
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: that emotion with what you're watching on screen and you
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: want to portray it yourself. It gets you off because
• 27:13
  Speaker 5: you're like, oh, well, she liked it.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: She liked getting punched in the.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: Face or like whatever it happens to be. So it's
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: like you always have to up the ante a little
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: bit because you're like, OK, well, I associate this with
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: pleasure now.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So how can I go to the next level, the
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: next level? And it's you know what I mean? It's crazy. Yeah, like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: thinking back to even myself and, you know, Christian Gray,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm a hopeless romantic, and I see these themes where, obviously, logically,
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I know this is very painful what he's doing to her,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: but then the romantic side of me is like, oh, that.
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Looks, you know.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Logically, I know that's not okay. No, but I'm just like,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: oh gosh. Yeah.
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: And it's like, you know, I know exactly what you're
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: talking about. And because it's like, he's good looking guy.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: You're watching what he's doing. It looks like she's enjoying it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 5: And then you almost think in the back of your head, like, well,
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: what if I enjoyed it? She's obviously, she's not dead.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: She didn't die. Yeah, exactly.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And those relationships, they do involve like a lot of trust.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Like there is like the safe and consensual way to
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: do that. But the thing is, that's not the side
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: that's like talked about. That's the side that's shunned is like,
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: having open discussions about how to have those kinds of
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: relationships safely. But the stuff that we're fed is just
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: like Christian Grey, which is, you know, a manipulative, it
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: was written by someone who didn't understand the BDSM scene,
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: you know? And so a lot of people get that confused.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: They think, oh, well, you like it rough, then I
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: can beat you. But it's really not that. It's a
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: lot of trust and communication between the parties, but that's
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: not I don't know. You just don't see that very
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: often about that.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I totally get what you're saying. Oh, yeah, I agree. Yeah.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, Tiff... Be honest.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: You like it rough sometimes or you like it sweet
• 29:13
  Speaker 5: and delicate?
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it rough sometimes.
• 29:21
  Speaker 6: I can't say every woman, but to a certain extent,
• 29:24
  Speaker 6: nobody wants like that boring, just plain old sex, you know,
• 29:29
  Speaker 6: spice it up a little bit, a cheek or a
• 29:32
  Speaker 6: slap on your face or, you.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Know, whatever, whatever you're into. Tiffany says she is not sad.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: with missionary. Damn it. She wants to get flipped and twisted.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, I don't blame you, Tiffany.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: You little freaky thing.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: But no, so I did want to give you guys
• 29:56
  Speaker 5: a list of some names here. And then we're going
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: to play a little bit of a game. So these
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: are some serial killers who... contributed pornography to their motivation
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: for killing. So here we go. Jeffrey Dahmer. He always
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: said that pornography was what got him, you know, he
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: would watch it actually before he would go out and
• 30:23
  Speaker 5: hunt a victim. And that's what got him revved up
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: and ready to go. Obviously, Ted Bundy. And then there
• 30:32
  Speaker 5: was a guy named Arthur Gary Bishop. who was raping
• 30:37
  Speaker 5: and murdering boys, who also said pornography was the motivation
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: behind him starting killing. There's this one guy, his name
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: is like Andrei Chikatalio. He was a Russian guy, killed
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: like 53 women and children, but I can't really pronounce
• 30:56
  Speaker 5: his name.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: I'm, you know, don't speak Russian.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: Surprise.
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: We have Ed Gain, who, which was The Butcher of Plainfield.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: A lot of people know Ed Gein. And then, of course,
• 31:09
  Speaker 5: John Wayne Gacy also contributed his murders to pornography. And
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: some guy named Dennis Rader, David Berkowitz, and Richard Ramirez
• 31:23
  Speaker 5: all said pornography. Then there was Edmund Kemper, Otis Toole,
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: and the Grim Sleeper, Lonnie Franklin Jr., all said pornography
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: was the jumping-off point to start negotiations in murder.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: I imagine, especially back then... That, you know, maybe, like,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: more vanilla or normal pornography could very easily lead someone
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: who's already disturbed to snuff films. Because I don't, you know,
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: you don't really hear about them nowadays. But, like, I
• 31:59
  Speaker 4: feel like everyone knows what they are. And there is, like,
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: kind of a history behind that of just, like, freaks
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: finding snuff films. And then all of a sudden.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: Or it's like what Tetris said. Like, they start with, like,
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: maybe a 17-year-old. And then it's like, Oh, I, I,
• 32:16
  Speaker 5: I think I want them a little bit younger, maybe,
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: maybe a 14 year old. And then it's like, it
• 32:22
  Speaker 5: just goes on and on from there. And then to
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: the point where it's like Tetra said, and you're like, Oh,
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: well I need, I need them fresh out of the womb.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: That's what I want.
• 32:30
  Speaker 5: That's what'll get me off fetal rape.
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: It's like, you know what I do wonder? And I'm
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: just a thought in my mind though, if, Ted Bundy
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: or whomever this guy I'm telling you about the the
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: lead singer if he were to suddenly think something's really
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: wrong with me I need to get help how does
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: one even go about getting help for something like that
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean because you're looked at let's
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: just say if you're a pedophile but you haven't committed
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: anything you're looked at as a you know like you
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: need to die type of deal and it's like how
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: it's kind of one of those things where it's like
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: are they born like that? Then the porn and then
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: everything else. And then how does one, how does one
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: get help? Just a thought through that, you know, like how.
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: Does, well, you know, it's like, it's like they, they
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: call it minor attracted persons. Now they've got like their
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: own thing for it, like LGBTQ. And they're trying to
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: add the MAP onto that, which I'm not okay with
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: because if you're a minor attracted person, I think you
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: need to see help immediately.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I did not know that was a thing.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, trying to co-opt the LGBT community, very, very good job.
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: That really makes me mad. And now that you mentioned that,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: I do remember seeing some videos of some people of
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: the LGBT community outraged. Now that I totally forgot about that.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: Why are we trying to give pedophiles a PC name?
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I know, in my attracted person. Like, what the hell? Yeah.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: No, I mean, I'm with you guys. And that's the thing.
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: It's like, I totally understand if you are... I'm not
• 34:21
  Speaker 5: even going to say minor attracted persons because I feel
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: like that's some shit they made up. If you are
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: a pedophile, you need to seek treatment, but it shouldn't
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: be like regular or normal or, you know, embraced in
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: any way whatsoever at all.
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: Is there any fixing that? Like truly? Is there?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: I don't know. That's definitely a question for thought. That's definitely,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I saw a random Reddit post by someone who said
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: he's attracted to 14 year olds. He can't help it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: He doesn't know what to do. And, you know, he
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: said he hadn't committed any offenses. And of course everyone
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: was reaming right away. Everybody was like, you, you know,
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: you sick guy. He was in his twenties. At least
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: that's what he said. So that's the question. Just like
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Kelsey said, like, is there any fixing that?
• 35:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there, I mean, it might be a pillow over
• 35:24
  Speaker 5: the face for all I know, but it's, it's, you know,
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: if you really grew up like in this started as
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: a child and that's all you knew and that's, you
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: couldn't help it. Let's just say they couldn't help it.
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: You shouldn't still act on it or anything like that.
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: I would probably take it to like a mental health
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: professional or even a spiritual person and say, Hey, please.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm with Kelsey.
• 35:53
  Speaker 8: It sucks because I feel bad because obviously there's something mentally,
• 36:00
  Speaker 8: but I just feel like you need to be locked
• 36:02
  Speaker 8: away before you commit it.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I do. And it sucks because if you're born like that,
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: obviously it's not your choice, but it is your choice sometimes.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: to you know right from wrong and it is your
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: choice to yeah to go and molest or hurt a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: child you know.
• 36:18
  Speaker 5: Well it's like a loaded gun because you never know
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: when it they'll just snap and like do you want
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: it to be your kid like whose kid do you
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: want it to be that they finally snap and they
• 36:28
  Speaker 5: do something to you so it's just it's really really
• 36:31
  Speaker 5: scary but speaking of scary Let's play a game. Tiffany,
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: we are going to start with you. This is a
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: game everybody knows. It's marry, fuck, or kill. Put aside
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: all of the gross stuff.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Don't be too literal.
• 36:58
  Speaker 5: If you had to marry, fuck, or kill Ted Bundy,
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: Jeffrey Dahmer or John Wayne Gacy?
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: Go.
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: Ooh.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: Ooh. I'm going to have to kill John Wayne Gacy
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: right away.
• 37:13
  Speaker 6: Immediately.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: And then I'd probably marry Ted Bundy and fuck Dahmer.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: All right, but explain how you get to that answer.
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: I just feel like I totally get you, Tiffany.
• 37:26
  Speaker 6: All right, so I'm killing John Wayne Gacy because, first
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: of all, clowns.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: I can't do it. That's just a fat.
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:36
  Speaker 6: You can kill all the people you want, but if
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: you have a crown mask on while you're doing it,
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: it's not.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. That was really the only reasoning for that.
• 37:48
  Speaker 6: And then I just think Ted Bundy was way cuter
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: than Jeffrey Dahmer.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: So I'd rather see him every day.
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: He had a long-term girlfriend.
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: He might not be a bad husband. He just kills
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: people on the side, you know? Just like Joe. He
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: loves me. He's killing them for me. You say Joe's
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: name and I'm like... Is he an option? Because I
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: know what I know.
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: I know.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yes, Kelsey is an option. That's a good one. All right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: All right.
• 38:22
  Speaker 4: All right. Here we go.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: Tetris.
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: Let's do marry, fuck, kill, Hitler, Richard Ramirez, or Castro.
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: I threw in some dictators for you.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: That's a really, really good one. I'd marry Richard Ramirez. Oh, wait.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: The other two options are Castro and Hitler.
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: I want to know why.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: I want to know why.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: It's true, Joe. Oh, boy. Kill Hitler. Can I change?
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Mary Castro.
• 39:07
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Fuck.
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: Fuck.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Richard Ramirez and kill Hitler. And kill Hitler. I hate them.
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: They're all killers.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: They're dictators.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: They're all horrible people.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: But I guess Richard Ramirez is the better looking one.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: And just because you marry someone doesn't necessarily mean you're
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: going to be sleeping with them. He was a dictator.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: He was rich.
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. There you go, Kelsey. I think
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: I would hate Hitler out of the mall, but I mean,
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: they're all horrible. But yeah, that's why I want to
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: kill Hitler like over and over and over again. And Castro,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, I.
• 40:03
  Speaker 10: Guess he's just the better option to marry between Hitler
• 40:07
  Speaker 10: and him, you know? And then Richard Ramirez, obviously he's horrendous,
• 40:12
  Speaker 10: but he does have that thing where he attracts people
• 40:15
  Speaker 10: women to him the night stalker like all these women
• 40:17
  Speaker 10: were going to go visit him and write to him
• 40:19
  Speaker 10: and one went to marry him while he was in
• 40:21
  Speaker 10: prison so there's there's my answer this.
• 40:23
  Speaker 5: Is super funny i cannot wait i cannot wait to
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: get kelsey's.
• 40:28
  Speaker 7: And i can't wait of course i know i want
• 40:31
  Speaker 7: to do all right all right tetris and tiff i
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: want to hear from you guys who do you think
• 40:37
  Speaker 7: we should give kelsey for options.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: Who's somebody really fucking.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Horrible and like some heinous murderer besides the one that
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: we've already really tested what.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: Was that btk guy's name bio torture kill.
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: Btk you're kidding oh yeah you get you get you
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: get edgy and that weird motherfucker that wore the.
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: Skin oh okay that's the one i think all right.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: What about hannibal.
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: Which Hannibal?
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: Are we talking Mads Mikkelsen Hannibal?
• 41:14
  Speaker 6: No.
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: At least we have him.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: She got Richard Torres.
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: Give me Mads Mikkelsen.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: I think we need to put at least one sort
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: of cute guy in there. We got the gross Hannibal.
• 41:30
  Speaker 5: And Tetris, you pick a semi-decent looking guy.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Um.
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: We already had Ted Bundy.
• 41:40
  Speaker 4: We already had Dom.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: What about Dexter? Can I? What about? Do they have
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: to be a serial killer? The reason why I picked.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: How about someone. I know. Well, there were kids. I
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: was going to select the Columbine killers. And the reason is.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: But they're kids. That's probably not the best one.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: We can discuss this.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say that to a child.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: Sure, sure. I only pick them because I've seen a
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: lot of women online romanticize them and say they're so cute. Oh, yeah.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: And that they were cute.
• 42:17
  Speaker 11: Yeah.
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: I saw that on Tumblr all the time. Like serial
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: killer fan pages. Like one girl even got like, I
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: guess the outline of like the Columbine killers on the
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: video tattooed on her.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: And they're completely.
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: Obsessed with the idea that if I would have been
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: at Columbine, I would have saved them. I can fix him.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: You know what, Kelsey? I'm going to give you Ed Gein.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: Ed Gein. I'm going to give you Hannibal. And I'm
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: going to give you Elvis Presley because he was a
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: notorious pedophile. Wait a minute. He was? Okay, different podcast.
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: Different podcast?
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I'll have to get you up. Whoa. Okay. Kelsey.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: But we're not taking into account the cross.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: We're taking it.
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: I'm taking into account. I want an explanation for each one.
• 43:23
  Speaker 4: Okay. So it's Ed Gein, Elvis, and who?
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: Hannibal. Hannibal. Okay. The one with the lamb. Not the
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: cute one.
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: Okay. For that, I'm gonna kill Hannibal if it's not
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Mads Mikkelsen, obviously. I'm gonna fuck Ed Gein.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: Hey!
• 43:48
  Speaker 9: He was kind of classically handsome. He was kind of
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: classically handsome. Mary Elvis, because he's the cutest of all
• 43:57
  Speaker 9: of them, arguably... Loaded. Absolutely loaded.
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: You are fucking out of your skin mask.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: I was like, I don't have to wear it. If
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: he sees me down in his little basement, I can
• 44:14
  Speaker 4: ignore it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: He was a carpenter. He was a carpenter.
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: He can build me things. All right.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: All right. I'm not wrong.
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: I'm not wrong. tip agrees you're.
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: Not wrong i agree i would have chosen the same way.
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: Exactly i know but now we got okay do.
• 44:35
  Speaker 12: We get to each pick one for julie okay you
• 44:38
  Speaker 12: get to each pick one for me and don't disappoint
• 44:42
  Speaker 12: all right i feel.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: Like tip has the worst one she's got to pick
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: the worst of them all because again she's got the
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: dirt all right if I.
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: Mean, if you choose a person from our past, that
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: was pretty terrible. I'm trying to stick with someone everybody knows.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: Okay. Oh, I don't know.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: And you guys be thinking while she's deciding, because I
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: need to agree.
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: Can we get some Jeopardy theme music?
• 45:13
  Speaker 10: Oh, man.
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: I really don't.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: I want to give her Stalin.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Stalin.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: I was just going to say, what if we throw
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: George Bush in there?
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: George Bush.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Which one does that work?
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Because let's do him. H-W-W.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: Let's do George Bush, not George W.
• 45:35
  Speaker 5: Bush.
• 45:36
  Speaker 4: George H. W.
• 45:37
  Speaker 6: Bush.
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: Oh, George Senior. God damn. Okay.
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: That's a good one.
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: Oh, my God. That's really pretty.
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Do you remember what thought Peterson looked like and
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: who he was? Oh my God. That's a perfect one.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: My cousin works in the prison that he's in. And
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: she goes along with what we're talking about. She thinks
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: he's so cute. And I was just like, why? What
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: he did to Lacey. So Scott Peterson. He's a bastard. Exactly. Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: And Stalin. You get Stalin.
• 46:20
  Speaker 12: I get Stalin, Peterson, and old George H.W.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: H.W.
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, fuck me. I'm... I don't... I'm going to kill Stalin.
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: I would say Mary Peterson, but he'll off me. Yeah. So,
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: all right. All right.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: To avoid a cinder.
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: Block death, I'm going to just fuck Peterson and Mary.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: I was not expecting HW to make it out alive.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Stop.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: Because like, it's like Tetris said, or somebody said, I
• 47:27
  Speaker 5: don't obviously have to be around.
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: You don't. What you do is you put him into
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: a nursing home. Let it happen.
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: Take all of his money. Yeah. Take all of the
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: money and run. That's what I heard. Who said you
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: couldn't kill them? Exactly. You could poison his pop. Or
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: you could kill Nanny 2.0. Exactly. I'm thinking of.
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: Some other ones that would be funny because obviously we
• 47:57
  Speaker 5: could do singers and stuff too because I just did
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: an episode on some of the singers from the 60s
• 48:07
  Speaker 5: who were all involved in this dark, weird stuff.
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: So Tiff, I'm going to give you Jim Morrison. Who's
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: a fat fuck?
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: Mama Cass.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: He was cute.
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: No, I'm talking about a female.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Mama Cass. Why do I not know?
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: I got very defensive of him.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: You know who Mama Cass is, right, Tiff?
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: I do not.
• 48:36
  Speaker 9: Oh, God.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: Then I can't. She was.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: A behemoth.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: And she was very, very much so into some dark stuff.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: That's why I say that. I need to look her up. Yeah,
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: I'm going to have to do some research. But you
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: know who Jim Morrison is. Oh, yeah, absolutely.
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: Okay, so Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, and Janis Joplin. You
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: know Janis Joplin.
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love Janis.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: All right, go.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Shit, I'd probably marry Janice.
• 49:09
  Speaker 5: Oh, I'm marrying Janice. I will marry her now. i'll
• 49:13
  Speaker 5: marry her like that's an ideal situation um.
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: And then i guess i think i would fuck jim
• 49:23
  Speaker 6: morrison and kill.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Hendrix even though i mean he's very.
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Talented but you got the guy yeah yeah If you
• 49:32
  Speaker 5: kill him, he still is like a living legend, you know,
• 49:35
  Speaker 5: because the music lives on after his.
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: If anything.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: You're doing us a favor.
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah!
• 49:43
  Speaker 4: A lot of shit gets really good when someone's dead. Right.
• 49:49
  Speaker 4: Vincent Van Gogh. So if anything, you're the Vincent Van Gogh.
• 49:54
  Speaker 4: That doesn't work because he killed himself.
• 49:57
  Speaker 8: But.
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: Sorry. No, if he killed himself, it doesn't count. Kelsey!
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: Because we did an episode, so obviously you're getting Ringo,
• 50:09
  Speaker 5: John Lennon, and Paul McCartney. I'm not even giving you
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: George because I already know you like George.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, making it harder. Honestly, okay. You know what?
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: I'm upping the stakes. You get Ringo, John Lennon, and
• 50:28
  Speaker 5: fake Paul.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I get Billy Shears.
• 50:31
  Speaker 2: You get Billy Shears. I was going to make a
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: whole point about.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Paul McCartney that you just took off the table.
• 50:37
  Speaker 11: Okay.
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: Off the table.
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: I'm going to kill John Lennon just because, honestly, after all, like,
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: when he got addicted to heroin and became just, like, so, like,
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: he was always a pompous ass, but it just got
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: so much worse. I think it'd feel good. because he
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: would annoy me his music and everything after that I'd
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: be like I'm again doing the world a favor I'd
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: fuck Ringo just because I feel bad for him.
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: You'd be number three for him he'd only have two.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Others no exactly and then obviously I'll marry fake Paul
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: because he had the financial head for the Beatles he'd
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: make sure our affairs were in place for when he died.
• 51:24
  Speaker 13: And I got it all.
• 51:25
  Speaker 5: If he killed you, he could just replace you with
• 51:28
  Speaker 5: a fake Kelsey and then it could be a down pat.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: It's not hard. Get Richard Langley from X-Files. You're sad.
• 51:38
  Speaker 5: Alright, Tiff and Kels, who are some good ones for Tetris?
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Some cool musical stars.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: Some cool ones. Are we still going down the dark
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: route or just musical?
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Like, cool.
• 51:53
  Speaker 5: Yeah, maybe like some really hideous people and some really
• 51:57
  Speaker 5: cute people.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Direct hot guys. Elton John in there. All right. Tiff
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: is going Elton John.
• 52:06
  Speaker 5: Kelsey?
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: Interesting choice. I think I want to go.
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: Do.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: You listen to Green Day?
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: I know who they are. I'm not a fan of
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: their music.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: Okay, then I'm going to switch it up. I was
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: going to say Trey. but I want to, what kind
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: of music do you like? Like what's your favorite?
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: I love rock. I love electronic.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: My favorite musician does like electronic, but I mainly love rock.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: Mainly love rock. Okay.
• 52:36
  Speaker 5: Then Tetris, my contribution is 2022 Alice Cooper.
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: And I'm giving you 2022 Mick Jagger.
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: You don't have to get young Mick Jagger.
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: So I'm trying to remember what Alice Cooper looks like.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: Google him real quick on your phone. I want you
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: to really think of his face. I'm on the phone.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I am so sorry.
• 53:05
  Speaker 4: I'm being so difficult.
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Wait, Kelsey's got you. Kelsey's got you. I
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: need to know what I'm working with real quick.
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: Very fair.
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: Ooh, 2022.
• 53:14
  Speaker 10: Exactly.
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: 2022 Mick Jagger, that tops mine even.
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: That makes a big difference. Oh yeah, I almost said
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: 2022 Ozzy.
• 53:25
  Speaker 13: Ozzy, that's a good one.
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: I'm killing him. Immediately now. Marrying Elton John. Because I
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: do love Elton John and I guess my fucking 2022
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Mick Jagger is between Mick Jagger.
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: And Alice Cooper.
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: Between 2022, I do think Mick Jagger slightly more attractive. Yeah,
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: he looks less like a crushed out cigarette butt. Yeah.
• 54:10
  Speaker 9: That's the perfect way to describe him, Julia.
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: He's a Marlboro Red stub outside the bar.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: He's a Marlboro Red. You're like, That was the most
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: perfect description. A crushed out cigarette.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Julie.
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Let's talk, let's talk.
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: Do you think, Tiffany, that romance novels can lead to
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: weird sexual deviant behavior in the hands of the wrong person?
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. Words in general are so powerful.
• 54:47
  Speaker 6: If you're reading a whole book full of all of
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: these fantasized ideas and yeah, absolutely.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: All right. Yeah, I agree. Tetris.
• 54:58
  Speaker 5: What are you, where are you on it?
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: 100%. I agree with Tiffany. I even have one right here.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: And in this book, who is it? Western. Yeah.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Western one.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: It's called Nelson. And I was just showing you ladies,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: because in this book, he loves a woman. And the
• 55:17
  Speaker 2: first time they, they make, it's not making love. It's rape.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: And it, and I read this when I was much younger.
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: And it romanticizes it. And it messed with my head.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: It messed with my head and led me to believe
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: that that is something normal. So 100%, I agree with
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: Tiffany that it can, especially somebody with mental issues. Absolutely. Kelsey,
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: where are you at on it? I agree.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: I think Especially, like, it's hard for maybe, like, less
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: socialized people or people who do struggle with mental illness.
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: It's hard for them to, like, maybe distinguish between reality
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: and fiction. And, like, especially if you consume as much
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: of it to have such a detrimental effect such as porn, then.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: And especially with the way that women are socialized, just
• 56:17
  Speaker 4: as women, we're expected to do anything for love, whether
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: that be get beaten or, you know, have children with
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: them and put them in that same situation. I think
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: it just further enforces that idea of women as subservient,
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: women as objects.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 56:38
  Speaker 5: Like, you should like it any position I put you
• 56:42
  Speaker 5: in because, you know, obviously I've seen a video of
• 56:46
  Speaker 5: this girl and she liked it like that, so why
• 56:48
  Speaker 5: don't you like it like that?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: It's a weird slippery slope of sorts. It is.
• 56:54
  Speaker 5: And, you know, just to wrap it up, I'm going
• 56:58
  Speaker 5: to ask our honorary question.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: But so.
• 57:02
  Speaker 5: Kelsey, I already know yours, so I'm going to have
• 57:05
  Speaker 5: to come up with a different one for you. But
• 57:09
  Speaker 5: so Tetris, of course, what is your favorite scary movie?
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: Oh, I am a big chicken. Very, very scared. I
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: get scared very easily. I do love the movie The Others.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: It came out a long time ago, 2001.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: I was very, very scared.
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: But also a lot of other people that are not
• 57:36
  Speaker 2: as easily spooked that I am. They were scared. So
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: I do, I do love the others. Yeah.
• 57:41
  Speaker 5: That is the first time I've heard that answer.
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
• 57:45
  Speaker 9: Oh, yay.
• 57:47
  Speaker 5: But I mean, so do you, you do like both
• 57:49
  Speaker 5: other guys though, right? I, I honestly haven't, I haven't
• 57:56
  Speaker 5: watched it too much.
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: I like it, but it's very scary considering what the actors. Yeah.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: It's very scary. And I won't lie. I mean, I
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: get chills talking about it because of what actually happened
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: to the actors and actresses. Oh, God, yeah. It's dark.
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: It is really dark. And Tiffany, your favorite scary movie?
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: You know, I have not watched a scary movie yet.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: since like your house you.
• 58:27
  Speaker 12: Can't come over to my house without getting out of
• 58:30
  Speaker 12: it oh no the creepiest.
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: One that pops into my mind is the orphan i
• 58:38
  Speaker 6: don't know if you have ever even heard of.
• 58:40
  Speaker 5: That yeah yeah that was the creepiest thing ever so
• 58:44
  Speaker 5: that's the that's my answer i love it no that
• 58:48
  Speaker 5: was a really that was the one where it was
• 58:50
  Speaker 5: like a grown woman but she was playing like a
• 58:53
  Speaker 5: little girl yeah there was a part two of that whoa.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I'm so curious about you oh i'm sorry to interrupt
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: no no go ahead. Oh, no, I was going to say,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about your favorite scary movie.
• 59:08
  Speaker 5: My favorite scary movie, aside from Poltergeist, is.
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: I want to say It Follows. I don't know if
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: you guys have ever watched that. I looked like a
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: featherless chicken the entire time. And that is really saying
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: something because I don't get scared.
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: I got scared at that movie and I got scared
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: at Insidious. oh it sounds so scary and i was
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: gonna say you don't strike me as the one that
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: gets scared too easily with.
• 59:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah these are not tetris approved movies no i got
• 59:53
  Speaker 5: i got three chickens in my i thought they were
• 59:55
  Speaker 5: peaches turns out they're chickens i'm just kidding but no kelsey.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: Admit it chicken all the way so.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 5: We have i think i think tiffany's like a chicken
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 5: nugget because she'll watch some of it i love but
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 5: tetris is like a whole chicken drumstick she said chicken
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: drumstick the whole.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Chicken the whole chicken.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 5: And Kelsey watches Saw movies, so I'm going to say
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: she's like a chicken wing. Yeah, because she likes the
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 5: Saw movies. And she said she watched The Conjuring. I
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 5: don't know if she finished The Conjuring.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: How dare you? I didn't finish The Grudge.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, you liked The Grudge? No, I didn't finish The Grudge. Tiffany,
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: that's a good point. When I was, I saw Exorcism
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: of Emily Rose in theater and I had, I almost,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: oh gosh, I had to, I almost fainted and I
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: had to get up and leave. This is why I
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: say I'm the whole chicken.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 5: That movie, I'll tell you, it felt almost like it
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 5: could really happen to somebody. And that's the scariest part
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: is that you open the door to some shit. You
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 5: never know what's going to come on through. So, I mean,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: and I don't want to be like a hypocrite, like, oh,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 5: it's an invitation, don't watch it, because I watch them
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 5: all the time. But you have to think, like, if
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 5: all you watch is, like, demonic exorcism and devils and ghosts,
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 5: and then you wonder why you can't be at your
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 5: house alone at night, that's probably why.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah, I recently too
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: have been seeing these posts that everything we consume, everything
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: we watch, everything we look at makes a staple in
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: our mind, whether we realize it or not, it affects us.
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: So that's a really good point. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because let's just say the director was like, Into
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 5: like devil worship or something. And they wanted to create
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 5: this movie that when you watched it, it would open
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: the door to something.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 10: Right.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 5: Some some freak is always psychopathic director or something. If
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 5: you think about it, I think a lot of like
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 5: the hostile movies and Eli Roth movies, they do that
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 5: because when you think about the movie later on, even
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 5: if it's months later or weeks later or years later,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 5: it's still an assault on your memory because you'll never
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: forget it.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: It's always in your head. So I don't know. I
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: agree with you. Everything we consume is.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 5: It's on purpose, probably some of the stuff that's in there.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: So we always have it. It's like ingrained in our memory.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: And I like funny movies too. I like, I like
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: Dumb and Dumber. I love Jim Carrey. I told Tetris
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: how much I love Jim Carrey. I love it. No,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: I absolutely.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 5: I mean, Kelsey, you're probably more of one to answer
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 5: a favorite funny movies question.
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  Speaker 2: Oh gosh.
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  Speaker 4: Honestly, there are too many. Cause I like, I like
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: stupid ones sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: That's great.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes you just want to watch stupid stuff. Is it
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: sad that I want to say, like, what is it?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: Holy? Holy Grail?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: What's the title? Damn, that is old. You ain't watching
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: anything funny since that? I have.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 4: I just don't like it.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. That's an older one.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 4: I do like British humor because I think British humor
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 4: is so stupid sometimes. I love it because it's just
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: like very dry but sometimes it's the most obvious joke
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: you can make and that's what makes it funny.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: So do you like Ricky Gervais then?
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 6: No, not him.
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: Oh, you don't like Ricky Gervais? No.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 4: Oh god i don't suggest myself to him i would
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 4: say uh i can't say have you seen top gear
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: like that's an example of what i'm talking about even
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 4: though they're not figures but is.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: That the show with the three guys yes the original
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 6: that's actually jerry.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: Clarkson richard whatever and then james may so oh my.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: God i've never seen this shit link.
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 4: It's, like, a whole, like, 20-season show. I can't just, like,
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: send you one.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God, yeah.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: First time I'm hearing about it. They also got kicked
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 4: off the BBC. They, like, lost their host.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 8: Damn!
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: Long-term host.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 4: It wasn't very good.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: I like Curb Your Enthusiasm. Like, I'm not too much
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: of a fan of British, but Curb Your Enthusiasm... Wait,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: that's not even a British show, is it? Actually... I mean,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the first. It's the creator of Jerry. Yeah.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: Jerry Seinfeld. Um, And he's in it. And it's very humorous.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: That's why I connected.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: It to what you said.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait a minute. Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 5: No, I like dry sense of humor, too. And I
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 5: love goofy stuff. I mean, I'll pretty much watch anything.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 5: But if I was going to pick a favorite, obviously,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 5: I'm going to watch a scary movie as long as
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 5: my husband's home and the guns loaded and all that.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there you go.
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 5: You know, a couple of movies I've seen recently would
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 5: be like The Black Phone.
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: That was amazing. And it's actually Stephen King's son. Did
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: you guys know that?
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: I didn't know he had a kid.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. I guess I don't know anything about him.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 5: So that just even added more like mystique to the
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 5: movie for me. And then I watched Nope. By Jordan Peele.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 5: It just came out. Literally two weeks ago. It's like
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 5: extraterrestrial aliens. They see UFOs and stuff. Absolutely. Phenomenal movie.
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: And Tetris. You can definitely watch this one. It's Tetris.
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: It's Tetris approved.
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah it's Tetris approved.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: You said it's called Nope?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Nope. And if you haven't watched Get Out by Jordan Peele,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: that's also your homework.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 14: Get out.
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: Get out. That's a good one. Man, I think Tetris.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Do you think she could handle it? Yeah, that one
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: isn't too bad.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 6: It's more suspenseful, I would say, than like super scary.
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 2: I get scared of things that you guys will like
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 2: think is... I was three or four. And you know
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: Rapunzel when they cut her hair? that was like, I
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: don't know, shock value kind of. And for a three-year-old,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: I don't know why that shocked me. I'm very, I'm
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: an odd, odd one, ladies.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: I take back everything I just said.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Do not watch them.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: Please, Tetris, do not watch them.
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: I don't want to, I wouldn't want to be responsible
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: for your drama. I will be like, Julia, I passed
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: out at the first scene. I am very odd. I
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: pass out. To like shock value things or like I
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: odd oddball odd. The Bridgertons is not a movie, but
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to add it's very romantic, beautiful. Love Bridgerton.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: Love it.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: Did you see their filming season three?
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 6: Yes.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: The Duke. The Duke. Oh, my God.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 5: Just melt your freaking heart right out of your chest.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: Oh, my gosh.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: And he's just, his posture. And Tiffany, have you seen?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I have not seen Bridgerton. Ooh. Go to hell, Tiff.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Are you serious?
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 2: I'm re-watching Grey's Anatomy for the 85th time.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 9: You're not even doing anything constructive.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: You're freaking re-watching a show.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 4: Julie, there are millions of little nuances that she could
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 4: have missed the first 84 times that she watched that series.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: Thank you. She does not need your support. She's got
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: mental illness. 84 times. It has Dr. McCotty and Dr. McSteamy.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: So I'm with you. All right.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 5: Well, if we're talking about doctor shows, did you guys
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: like house?
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm obsessed with house.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: Man, I thought he was hot for some reason.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: He was super hot. Oh, then I need to see this.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: It was his mind.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 5: And that he would have just told any given person
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: to jump off a cliff, whether they had cancer or not.
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 5: he'd just be like go die yeah basically I like
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: it in addiction.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: Don't forget about that.
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 5: He was popping pills left and right, which might have
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: also added to his attraction for me. What did you
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: guys think about our sugar.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Spice, and everything conspiracy? We killed it. We freaking killed it.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: I love our little, I love you ladies. It's like
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: the four of us together made some great conversations.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 5: Oh, absolutely.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: I really like that energy.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: Do I hear it too? Yes.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: No, no.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 5: So that's the best part is like, let's say, let's
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 5: say I'm going to do this once a month. So
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 5: let's say for October's episode, I have on one of you,
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 5: but it'll be two other people.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 2: You see what I mean? So you always meet new people.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: It'll always be different conversation.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 5: And it's great because it's like, when in the world
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 5: would my coworker and my best friend from high school
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 5: meet my new best friend that I met on Instagram?
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: That's crazy. If it wasn't for the internet, we wouldn't have.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I know it's absolutely wild, but still Tetris.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 5: I know you have your own podcast. So I want
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: to ask you if you'll please plug so people can
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 5: go and find you.
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 4: Oh, thank you so much.
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: I am under the Instagram handle goddess of Tetris. And
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: in addition to playing Tetris as my name suggests, I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: am a podcast hostess. My podcast name is goddess girl session.com.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: Julia was one of my top favorite guests. I interview everybody,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: even some bands, some celebrities, people with health stories, fellow
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: hosts and hostesses. So I really would appreciate anyone to
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: come and check it out. And any of you ladies
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: are welcome to be a guest. I would love to
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: talk to any of you. And thank you for that, Julia. Absolutely. No,
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: your podcast is killing it.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 5: I love it because you will talk to anyone and
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 5: you just have the sweetest, kindest heart. And you just
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 5: blow my mind every time.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. Do you want people to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: find you or not? You're obscure these days. You don't
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: even log into Instagram. Nope. I'm off the grid. I
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: love it that way. Julia knows how to contact me.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 2: I have to send a pigeon to her house. And
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: it says, do you want to join my podcast? I know.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 5: No wonder.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: The pigeon had to fly the link.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 4: Julie, come on.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 5: Well, Kelsey, I know you get on Instagram periodically. So
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 5: do you want to plug?
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 4: No, I just get on it to like your stuff.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 2: That's even better. I've started to cut that out. You
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: guys are.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 5: Behind the scenes.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Me and Tetris are, you know, we talk enough for
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: the both of you. So it's okay. But all right.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much, ladies, for being on Sugar Spice
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 5: and Everything Conspiracy. It was an absolute blast. And to
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 5: my listeners, thank you so much. And we'll see you
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 5: on the next one.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 4: Am I out of my head?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Am I out of my mind?
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: If you only knew the bad things that I don't
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 11: think That I can't explain it, what can I say?
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 11: It's complicated No matter what you say, no matter what.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: You do I only wanna do.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 11: Bad things to you So good that you can't explain
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 11: it What can I say? It's complicated Nothing's.
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 14: That bad if it feels good So you come back
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 14: like I knew you would And work off wild and
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 14: the night's young Enjoy my drug, breathe you into my face,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 14: no Drop it down to that bass drum. I got
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 14: what you dream about. Nails scratching my back. Eyes closed
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 14: when you scream out and you keep me in with
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 14: those hips. While my teeth sink in those lips. While
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 14: your body's giving me life. And you suffocate in my
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 14: kiss that you said. You said I want you forever
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 14: even when we're not together. Scars on my body so
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 14: I can take you wherever like.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: I want you.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 14: Forever even when we're not together. Scars on my body,
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 14: I can look at you and never.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Get home Am I out of my head, am I
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: out of my mind?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 6: If you only knew.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 11: The bad things I like Don't think that I can't
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 11: explain it Why can't I say it's complicated?
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: You do I only wanna.
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 11: Do bad things to you so good that you can't
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 11: explain it what can I say it's complicated