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The Late Debate | 28 May · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, well girl, wait button. Great to have your
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  Speaker 1: company on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm James MacPerson with Caleb Bond and Anika did Georgio Denika.
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  Speaker 1: Should we let viewers see caleb socks?
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  Speaker 3: This is this is a beautiful moment. Please Caleb all right?
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  Speaker 1: Caleb is no sausage rolls. Sausage rolls on Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I do love a sausage roll And when I saw
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  Speaker 4: a pair of socks with sausage rolls on them, I thought,
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  Speaker 4: I've got to have them.
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  Speaker 5: They look really cute. Yeah, and they are adorable socks.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I see on a Friday.
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  Speaker 4: I used to wear wine bottled cuff links every Friday
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  Speaker 4: with the wine socks because you know, it was Friday
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  Speaker 4: and it was sort of party time. But I don't know,
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  Speaker 4: I was feeling in a sausage roll mood today.
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  Speaker 3: In the words of the Kinks, you are a dedicated
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  Speaker 3: follower of fashion.
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  Speaker 6: Indeed I am.
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  Speaker 1: There you go noted on that note.
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  Speaker 6: Let do you know the song, James, I.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know the song.
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  Speaker 2: Always going about songs, I don't know if it ain't Billy,
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  Speaker 2: Joel or else.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into the program. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 2: Are flat pack homes the answer to Australia's housing crisis.
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  Speaker 2: The Albanezy government has committed thirty nine million dollars to
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  Speaker 2: convince people to get into kit homes. The Victorian state
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  Speaker 2: government minister is in trouble after providing a character reference
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  Speaker 2: to a bloke whose bid for citizenship was rejected because
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  Speaker 2: he'd been convicted of.
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  Speaker 1: In decently assaulting multiple women.
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  Speaker 2: And the groundbreaking study finds forty percent of Christians in
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  Speaker 2: this country self sense of their beliefs for fear of
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  Speaker 2: suffering harassment or discrimination. Will get into all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 2: but first. South Australia's education boss has defended the celebration
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  Speaker 2: of gender fluidity and various sexual preferences within public schools.
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  Speaker 2: Education Department Chief Martin Westwill said LGBTQIA plus celebration days
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  Speaker 2: weren't about telling families what to believe, they are about
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  Speaker 2: promoting respect. He made the statement after parents protested outside
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  Speaker 2: an Adelaide's school when the school promoted International Day against Homophobia, Biphobia,
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  Speaker 2: intersexism and transphobia earlier this month. Parents felt their kids
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  Speaker 2: would be better off learning to read and write rather
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  Speaker 2: than being instructed in the various permutations of human sexuality,
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  Speaker 2: and they objected to their kids being asked to wear
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  Speaker 2: rainbow accessories to support gay pride. But the South Australian
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  Speaker 2: school's boss said in a statement, some question why schools
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  Speaker 2: engage with issues connected to sexuality, gender or identity. The
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  Speaker 2: purpose of days like Ida Hobbit, which is their Gay
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  Speaker 2: Pride Day, is not to tell families what to believe
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  Speaker 2: or to take a political position. At its core, it's
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  Speaker 2: a reminder that no child should be treated badly because
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  Speaker 2: of who they are. If you're a parent, Daneker, you're
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  Speaker 2: satisfied with that explanation.
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  Speaker 3: Now, of course I'm not satisfied with that explanation. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: you don't drop little Johnny off at school to be
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  Speaker 3: taught about Let me just go through what Ida Hobbit
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  Speaker 3: shocking name stands for. It's International Day against homophobia, bi phobia,
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  Speaker 3: into sexism, and transphobia.
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  Speaker 5: So you don't drop little Johnny off to.
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  Speaker 3: School to talk about bisexuality, to talk about transphobia, homophobia.
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  Speaker 3: You drop little Johnny off because you want them to
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  Speaker 3: learn the basics, like he is on ABC's How to Count,
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  Speaker 3: learning how to talk to his friends, real basic, basic
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  Speaker 3: things but apparently we have got schools being hijacked by
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  Speaker 3: this warped ideology. This guy, the Education Department Chief executive,
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  Speaker 3: Martin westwell, he's responded to this backlash and he said
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  Speaker 3: the role of school is not to replace families, but
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  Speaker 3: to educate children for life in a democratic society. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I have a lot of problems with that line. Firstly,
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  Speaker 3: your job is actually to educate children on the basics,
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  Speaker 3: and we're talking about a democratic society. A democratic society
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  Speaker 3: does not mean you get to shove your ideology down
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  Speaker 3: a child's throat. And I think it says more about
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  Speaker 3: schools about activist teachers that it does anything else. And
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  Speaker 3: I applaud these parents and grandparents so getting out there
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  Speaker 3: and saying enough is enough.
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  Speaker 5: This is an indoctrination of.
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  Speaker 3: Children, and I think we should all be very, very
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  Speaker 3: concerned about what's going on in the school system.
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  Speaker 4: I just don't understand if the idea is that children
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  Speaker 4: need to understand that.
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  Speaker 6: Respect is a virtue, and absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: It is a virtue, why does that then have to
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  Speaker 4: be extrapolated out to various different groups. Surely you just
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  Speaker 4: have an overarching value as a school that comes through
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  Speaker 4: in all parts of the curriculum, that you treat people
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  Speaker 4: as you find them, and you treat people with respect,
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  Speaker 4: and you are a kind and sensible person in all
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  Speaker 4: of your dealings with other students and other people. You
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  Speaker 4: don't go out of your way to insult or harm
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  Speaker 4: or hurt anyone for any reason, whatever they may be,
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  Speaker 4: whether they're gay, austrail or trans, or black or brown
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  Speaker 4: or brindle or.
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  Speaker 6: Yellow, like, it doesn't matter. You just respect people.
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  Speaker 4: That sounds like something I'd be quite okay with kids
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  Speaker 4: being taught in schools, except of course, that it's not
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  Speaker 4: just about the respect. It's about you have to specifically
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  Speaker 4: point out certain beliefs and certain things, because you then
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  Speaker 4: try to say, oh, well that's a protected category, a
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  Speaker 4: really special category, and they get extra rights or extra celebration.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, how many other days are you
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  Speaker 4: going to put into schools if you have one day
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  Speaker 4: set aside for ida Hobbit, which which again, you know,
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  Speaker 4: the first time I heard about it, I thought was
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  Speaker 4: something to do with the.
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  Speaker 6: Lord of the Rings.
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  Speaker 4: I thought, one reaching kids have had the Lord of
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  Speaker 4: the Rings the Hobbits. You know, Bilbo Baggins will be
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  Speaker 4: coming in here soon. How many other days can we
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  Speaker 4: possibly have I mean, I know when I was at school. Oh,
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  Speaker 4: I was going to say, not all that long ago,
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  Speaker 4: but with every passing year it does get further and
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  Speaker 4: further away. There was Harmony Day, which was just sort
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  Speaker 4: of an overarching, you know, don't discriminate against people's sort
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  Speaker 4: of day. And I think you were encouraged to, don't know,
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  Speaker 4: wear an orange ribbon or something, right, and we're.
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  Speaker 6: All just sort of a whatever.
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  Speaker 4: But it wasn't pointed out, you know, gay orans and
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  Speaker 4: what I mean, if you're a primary schoo kid, you
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  Speaker 4: don't know what this stuff means. And it's being introduced
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  Speaker 4: into their heads at a time when it doesn't belong there.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing is kids are very impressionable. They're
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  Speaker 3: like sponges. They absorb absolutely everything, and then they're going
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  Speaker 3: to go home and they're going to say to mom
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  Speaker 3: and dad, oh am I a boy?
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  Speaker 5: Am I a girl?
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  Speaker 3: And start questioning themselves because they've been had this ideology
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  Speaker 3: pushed upon them at such a young age.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I.
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  Speaker 2: Don't buy his explanation that we're not telling children what
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  Speaker 2: to believe. I mean, if you were to go to
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  Speaker 2: Idahobic Day and say men can't become women, et cetera,
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  Speaker 2: et cetera, and disagree with the premise of all of
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  Speaker 2: these ideologies they're pushing. How quick do you reckon you'd
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  Speaker 2: be in the principal's office being told you can't say
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  Speaker 2: that when and by inference, you're not allowed to believe
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  Speaker 2: that these things are either untrue or immoral or wrong.
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  Speaker 2: And people have various views on that, which is fine,
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  Speaker 2: but that's really the point. If you want to treat respect,
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  Speaker 2: then respect to go two ways, and you've got to
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  Speaker 2: respect the families who put their kids in that school,
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  Speaker 2: who would take umbrance with many of those things that
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  Speaker 2: are being taught. When you're encouraged to dress in support
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  Speaker 2: of these ideologies, of course you'll be encouraged to believe
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  Speaker 2: them and to accept them as normal and as valid
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  Speaker 2: options for your life, which, as I said, for some
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  Speaker 2: people they want that, that's fine, but for many families
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  Speaker 2: they would take umbrance to that, particularly when it comes
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  Speaker 2: to their children, who, as you said, the Nika, are
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  Speaker 2: highly impressionable and will believe whatever teachers and schools tell them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, and you're right, and just to your point earlier,
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  Speaker 3: we should be teaching children to respect everybody, as you said,
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  Speaker 3: no matter who they are, where they've come from, what
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  Speaker 3: their backgrounds are.
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  Speaker 5: But when you start singling.
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  Speaker 3: Out, you know, certain groups of society from a young age,
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  Speaker 3: I worry about what that does with the next generation,
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  Speaker 3: and are we going to get another generation where they're
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  Speaker 3: going to be this radical left, you know, promoting the
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  Speaker 3: transiity ology, on the climate crusade, apologizing to the stolen generation.
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  Speaker 5: I really worry for the next generation about.
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  Speaker 3: What they're being taught, and I think it is such
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  Speaker 3: an indictment on the education system that we've got, you know,
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  Speaker 3: teachers that are activists.
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  Speaker 5: They're activists.
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  Speaker 4: That's the point though, And to your point, James, you know,
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  Speaker 4: could you say those things? They probably say you can't.
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  Speaker 4: But of course the point of respect is that you
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  Speaker 4: can say, well, there are biological falsehoods in the idea
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  Speaker 4: of transgenderism, but also be completely respectful in your day
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  Speaker 4: to day dealings with people who say they are transgenders
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  Speaker 4: like any other person.
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  Speaker 2: So it begs the question is it really about respect
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sure for many involved that's what it's about,
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  Speaker 2: or is it about teaching the next generation not to question?
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  Speaker 2: It's certain ideologies because to question it is rude and
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  Speaker 2: that's not really about respect. It's about teaching children to
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  Speaker 2: accept certain things that otherwise they might not accept and
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  Speaker 2: certainly that their parents probably don't accept.
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  Speaker 4: It's the warping of the language, as we were talking
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  Speaker 4: about last night, where respect goes from. You just treat
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  Speaker 4: people in a respectful and decent manner when you deal
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  Speaker 4: with them. To well, if you dare question anything about
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  Speaker 4: them that you are then how somehow disrespectful? Well no,
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  Speaker 4: surely we should be able to talk about fact. So
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  Speaker 4: while we are talking about facts, it is a fact
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  Speaker 4: that the Albanezi government is not anywhere near their housing targets.
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  Speaker 4: But boy, do we have an answer for you, or
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  Speaker 4: do they have an answer for you?
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  Speaker 6: They reckon?
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  Speaker 4: Thirty nine million dollars of investment in flat pack homes
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  Speaker 4: will fix all of this. Up Here is the Housing Minister,
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  Speaker 4: clar O'Neill.
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  Speaker 7: While we're backing prefab and modular housing through a national
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  Speaker 7: certification scheme and support through the National Productivity Fund and
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  Speaker 7: a new forty million dollar investment we're announcing today for
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  Speaker 7: a national kit of parts approach. This means building smarter
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  Speaker 7: and faster using standardized components like bathroom pods, wall panels
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  Speaker 7: and facades.
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  Speaker 4: Forty million dollars sorry I should say million, as miss
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  Speaker 4: O'Neill says, forty million dollars thirty nine to be precise
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  Speaker 4: for this this kit home system. Now, kit homes do
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  Speaker 4: already exist, they're not used so much here as they
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  Speaker 4: are in other parts of the world. Seemingly, what they're
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  Speaker 4: suggesting is that this would be some sort of government.
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  Speaker 6: Inventory of parts of houses.
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  Speaker 4: That someone else can just sort of take off a
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  Speaker 4: shelf so that, you know, they don't have to design
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  Speaker 4: them themselves. The designs are just sort of publicly available,
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  Speaker 4: and this will magically allow loads and loads of houses
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  Speaker 4: to be built in astrat I mean, come on, pull
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  Speaker 4: the other one. I've got no issue with kit homes
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  Speaker 4: or prefab homes. You know, if it's a decent quality,
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  Speaker 4: it should be no different to any other home. And yes,
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  Speaker 4: theoretically it should allow homes to be built faster.
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  Speaker 6: But why does.
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  Speaker 4: The government then have to get involved and splash forty
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  Speaker 4: million dollars and say, oh, look we've fixed it, but
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  Speaker 4: you've failed to fix it at any point thus far.
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  Speaker 4: Why would we think this would do anything.
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  Speaker 2: That The two things that this government excels at are
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  Speaker 2: announcements and splashing money at things and then walking away
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  Speaker 2: saying our job is done. What they're terrible at is
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  Speaker 2: measuring consequences, measuring achievement. They never get around to that.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't trust clar O'Neil to build a flat pack duney,
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  Speaker 2: would you.
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  Speaker 1: I think she's failed at every ministry she's had.
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  Speaker 4: You can come over and try to do some flat
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  Speaker 4: pack furniture for me.
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  Speaker 6: That had saved me a few hours.
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  Speaker 2: One of the things she said at the press club
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  Speaker 2: she said, we still build houses the same way that
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  Speaker 2: we did thirty years ago. What she failed to mention
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  Speaker 2: is maybe that's true, but we take forty to fifty
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  Speaker 2: percent longer to build the same houses that we were
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  Speaker 2: building thirty years ago. She might want to address that,
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  Speaker 2: which government could, because that goes to things like red tape,
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  Speaker 2: green tape, regulations, taxes, et cetera, et cetera. But instead
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  Speaker 2: of doing the hard work of addressing those sorts of things,
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  Speaker 2: it's just easier to announce his another thirty nine million
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  Speaker 2: dollars flat packs.
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  Speaker 1: Ikea. That's the answer.
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  Speaker 3: Well, this is the labor government all out of ideas,
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  Speaker 3: isn't it. So their big answer is basically, ikea flat
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  Speaker 3: pack furniture, because that's exactly what these sorts of homes are.
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  Speaker 3: The problem is is Labor is failing on its housing targets,
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  Speaker 3: so it's going, how on earth are we going to
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  Speaker 3: achieve these goals? Because of course, in its own homer
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  Speaker 3: coord this was Labour's big sprooking deal one point two
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  Speaker 3: million homes by the end of the decade. We all
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  Speaker 3: know that that's not going to be achieved. It's pushed
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  Speaker 3: back into the twenty thirties. Building approvals are at sixteen
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  Speaker 3: thousand per month. It actually needs to be at twenty
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  Speaker 3: thousand to achieve those housing targets, so way behind the
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  Speaker 3: national levels. And in the federal budget announced by Jim Charmers,
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  Speaker 3: supply of homes is thirty five thousand less per year
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  Speaker 3: than what it needs to actually be, so already labor
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  Speaker 3: is behind.
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  Speaker 5: And then you've got Clara O'Neil going, ah ha, we're
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  Speaker 5: going to come up with a light bulb solution.
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  Speaker 3: Here we go is thirty nine million dollars of your
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  Speaker 3: money on top of the record government spending just to
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  Speaker 3: add to that trillion dollars of debt and we're going
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  Speaker 3: to sell you an ikea flat pack, and there you go.
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  Speaker 5: That's going to fix the problem. It's not.
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  Speaker 3: The Master Builders already came out today saying, okay, fine,
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  Speaker 3: we welcome this, but the problem is is red tape.
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  Speaker 3: As you said, there's a lot of red tape efficiency
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  Speaker 3: and the workforce. So we only just spoke this week
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  Speaker 3: about the construction industry is having to lay off workers
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  Speaker 3: because costs are too high, so the workforce is not there,
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  Speaker 3: in addition to the fact that the construction needs and
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  Speaker 3: not being met across the.
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  Speaker 2: Stre Their tactic is before you can judge the last announcement,
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  Speaker 2: they make another announcement, so then you're dazzled by the
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  Speaker 2: new announcement and they'll wait until that, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of time. But before that one comes due,
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  Speaker 2: then there'll be another announcement. So they're never judged on anything.
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  Speaker 2: It's just one announcement after another, and they always point to, well,
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  Speaker 2: we just last week, we announced this, last month, we
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  Speaker 2: announced that, and that enables them to avoid ever being
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  Speaker 2: held to account for any of the promises they made.
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  Speaker 2: They just point to announcements as if that is evidence
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  Speaker 2: that they're fixing things.
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  Speaker 4: So the issue at the moment is largely one of
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  Speaker 4: government intervention. It's government intervention in bringing lots of maargrants
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  Speaker 4: that then creates lots of demand. Its government intervention in
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  Speaker 4: terms of rules and regulations and the red tape and
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  Speaker 4: the green tape and whatever that makes.
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  Speaker 6: It harder to build a home.
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  Speaker 4: It's government intervention in the economy, and then that drives
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  Speaker 4: up inflation, and then that drives up interest rates, which
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  Speaker 4: makes it harder for people to pay to build a home,
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  Speaker 4: and on and on it goes. So the government then
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  Speaker 4: says the answer to that is more government intervention, which
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  Speaker 4: is to go and create this you know what do.
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  Speaker 6: They call it?
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  Speaker 4: A kit of tools or something for the building industry
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  Speaker 4: to use. So government intervention, having caused this problem, is
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  Speaker 4: now apparently going to fix it, okay.
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  Speaker 6: My ass.
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  Speaker 4: And if the prefab system was viable at the moment
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  Speaker 4: in this country, builders would be doing a one hundred
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  Speaker 4: miles an hour because they want to build, they want
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  Speaker 4: to employ people, they want to make money, and if
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  Speaker 4: they could find ways to cut costs, they'd already be
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  Speaker 4: doing it. The problem is not that, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: can't club together and come up with a system that
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  Speaker 4: they can all share to build prefab homes. The problem
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  Speaker 4: is all the regulation and this doesn't fix that.
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  Speaker 3: No, it definitely doesn't fix that. But they spend a
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  Speaker 3: lot of money, don't they. Goodness me, let's go to
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  Speaker 3: the UK. Now, this is an interesting proposal. GPS are
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  Speaker 3: going to hold a vote on whether or not they
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  Speaker 3: would look to introduce a Netflix style subscription service that
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  Speaker 3: charges patients. So, to give you an example, you would
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  Speaker 3: opt into this service whether or not you pays it
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  Speaker 3: a weekly maybe or a monthly fee, and you would
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  Speaker 3: be able to go and see a gp X amount
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  Speaker 3: of time to try and reduce the demand on the
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  Speaker 3: National Health Service. So the British Medical Association's GP Committee
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  Speaker 3: said it would ballot family doctors in England on trying
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  Speaker 3: to introduce this model. It's means tested and it's subscription
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  Speaker 3: based as part of an alternative model. If it introduced,
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  Speaker 3: a system could resemble arrangements that's already been currently offered
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  Speaker 3: by dentists on the NHS, who charge fees of around
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  Speaker 3: three hundred and nineteen pounds for some treatments. As I said,
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  Speaker 3: it's trying to limit that demand off the NHS doctor Brammel,
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  Speaker 3: whose union's GPS committee chairman.
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  Speaker 5: He says this.
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  Speaker 3: Exploration of an alternative model is a consequence of long
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  Speaker 3: term political and systemic failure to protect NHS general practice
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  Speaker 3: and has left the profession deeply frustrated with no other
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  Speaker 3: choice but to explore alternatives. Now pressure on the public
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  Speaker 3: service that's not just pertaining to the UK. Obviously, we've
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  Speaker 3: got issues here with our health services and our emergency
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: departments are absolutely being swamped by people who you know
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: will go there when they've got a cold or a
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: headache or you've got a hypochondriact and suddenly the entire
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: waiting room is absolute flooded. So in a way I
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: do agree that something does have to be done. My
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: main concern with this is firstly, we don't know how
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: this is going to work. We don't know if this
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: is a monthly service, so we don't know how many
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: times you would be able to go and see your
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: GP within that timeframe. Is it four times a month,
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: is it once a month?
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: You know who knows?
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: But does it also create sort of a tier two
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: tier service where okay, I can afford to use this
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: subscription and those who can't afford still have to go
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: through the public Health service, and it still puts that
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: additional pressure onto the NHS. I'm not sure if an
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: opt in service is the solution to the problem.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: I think it absolutely creates a two tiered system. You
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: have people who are able to see the doctor not
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: because they need to, but because they can afford to,
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: while others are only able to see a doctor when
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: they get their turn. The other problem you'd have here
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: is that why would doctors because this doesn't create any
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: extra doctors.
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: No, So, if you're a doctor and you've got.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: The public service, or you've got your paying subscribers, why
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: would you not allocate.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: More of your time to those who are paying higher.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: Fees and subscription services to see it, which only makes
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: the public system even worse. And the other problem I
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: see is it's going to undermine trust in the NHS
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: because if you can't afford the Netflix style subscription, then
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: would you not think that somehow you're getting the leftovers
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: in the NHS while your neighbors who have got more money,
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: they're getting the premium care, they're getting the best doctors,
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: they're getting longer appointments, they're getting more frequent access to
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: doctors while you're left with the scraps. I don't know
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: that that's a great way to run a society.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: But is that any different to Australia and people jumping
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: up and down about the quality of their bug build.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Well, we're not comparing it with Australia. We're comparing it
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: to what the UK currently has.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: And that's what's wrong with the way we do now.
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: We don't have a subscription service.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: No, someone might like to take it up if they
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: can find the market for it. But you have the
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: option of going to a bulk bill doctor, which one covered.
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: But yeah, do you really there are I feel like
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: there are none in Sydney or there's the odd one.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: There are no bulk billing.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: After the show? Can you pass this one?
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: In? Likehart?
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: You can go and see Yeah, but I'm sure you
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: have to stand there in a line for hours just
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: to go and see them.
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but haven't they got all these bulk bill clinics.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Or whatever supposedly where are they go.
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: And find one?
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: Then? What wasn't it the Liberal parties war on medicare?
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: Wasn't that There.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: Was a lot of crap.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: But anyway, but so you can go and see a
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: bulk bill doctor if you want to go and see
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: a bulk bill doctor, or you can go and pay
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: a private fee to see a doctor elsewhere. I don't
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: see what the issue is with that. It's always been us.
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: If you have the money to afford faster or better service,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: why should you not be able to pay to get
• 19:45
  Speaker 4: faster or better service.
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: I mean, essentially, what you're saying is that everyone should
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: be dragged down to the same level.
• 19:50
  Speaker 4: Do I feel sorry for people who have to rely
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: on the public system because they can't afford to get
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: better service, Absolutely I do. But I don't think that
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: that should mean that tho who can afford bitter service,
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: like those who have saved up their whole lives, like
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: my little old Nan who has private health insurance, and
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: you know, she's always made that a priority.
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: She's a pinsionner.
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: That's always been a priority because if she goes to
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: the hospital, she wants to have better service and she's
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: willing to pay for it.
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: What's wrong with that?
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I think some of the anks, particularly reading around this
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: issue in the UK, is people are looking at what's
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: being proposed, and then they're looking at all the money
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: that's being spent on hotels for migrants, Yes, on welfare
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: benefits for migrants, and they're saying here, I am a
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: British citizen, a British taxpayer, and I'm getting a reduced
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: health service whilst people who are not citizens of this
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: country are getting all sorts of trinkets and things. And
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: you can argue about that, but I can understand the
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: dissatisfaction for many people looking at health services being cut
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: back for ordinary Brits while it seems there's plenty of
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: money to go towards European projects and migrants and all
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: of those others.
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: Well, don't forget as well that asylum seekers are also
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: reportedly getting priority access to the NHS over everyday British
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: tax payers. So you can see why people would be
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: getting really annoyed. And you're right, because migrants would be
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: flooding the system regardless because they need the welfare benefits,
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: which would rack up into the tens of thousands, if
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: not hundreds of thousands of pounds. So I can see
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: why people are frustrated. But what about also trying to
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: get more doctors into the scheme. I mean, how can
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: you make it more attractive for people to go into
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: general practice as well. And that's an issue we've got
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: in Australia. What can we do to make people want
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: to become a GP as well?
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: You can make a lot more money being a specialist.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Well you could make more. But I do agree. But
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: we need gps. We need them in the regions. I
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: know that we're desperately in need of GEP.
• 21:45
  Speaker 4: Some way, somehow. We've got to find a way to
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: pay them more. So does that money come from the
• 21:49
  Speaker 4: government which they take from you anyway, or does it
• 21:52
  Speaker 4: come directly from you.
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: That's the discussion that needs.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: To be at all, right, I want to get both
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: of you to chime in on a problem that a
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: Victorian state government minister is having after issuing a reference
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to a taxi driver who wanted to become an Australian
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: citizen but had his citizenship application rejected because of a
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: couple of convictions of indecently assaulting women who were passengers
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: in his taxi. Luber Grigorovitch is the government minister who
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: provided the reference for Mohammed Isa or Isa back in
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. I was convicted of two incidents, jailed for
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: three months for one and received a twenty four month
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: community corrections order for the other. Both involved sexually touching
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: women who were traveling in his taxi. Now he lives
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: in Gorgorovich's electorate, and so she said she'd known him
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: for several years and provided a character reference, saying that
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: she'd known him to always show a deep respect for
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Australian laws, culture and traditions. Of course, now it's come out.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Hang on a second, he's got a couple of convictions
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: for sexually assaulting his passengers in the taxi. How on
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: earth could you have provided the reference? She claims Caleb
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: that she was unaware of these convictions. He did not
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: make them known to her when she asked for when
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: he asked for a reference. I'm not quite sure why
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: this is a scandal. How can she be responsible for
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: not knowing about things that happened twelve years ago with
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: this man?
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: Because if someone comes to you and says, I would
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: like you to write me a reference so I can go.
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: Off to the administrative Administrative.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: Appeals Tribune or what do they call it, another review tribunal.
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: Used to be the AAT, now it's the AT. So
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: I'm going to go to the Administrative Review Tribunal to
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: appeal a denial of my citizenship request.
• 23:49
  Speaker 6: Now, wouldn't alarm bells be going hmm?
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: I wonder why the federal government would have decided you're
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: not a fit person to be an Australian citizen, and
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: then you would inquire a little bit for that, and
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: then on that basis, decide whether or not you would
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: issue someone the statement to take off to the art.
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: Of course, it's her fault.
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: I mean, if the bloke's been denied citizenship, surely you'd
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: be somewhat curious as to.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Why that might Who would she inquire to?
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: Well, she could inquire to him, but that's the point
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: she would inquire to him.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: She disclose it. She helps she to know.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: Okay, well what I don't know what he might have
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: said to her? What they denied it because they thought
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: I looked the wrong way at some bloke when he
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: was buying some chips at the local chip shop, Like,
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: what was his excuse for why they would have denied it?
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: She could have contacted the federal government and asked them
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: why they denied his application.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: Would they not say that's not something that they can
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: disclose publicly.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: They may well do, but I don't know whether she
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: went to the lengths to do that. She could call
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: up the something I used to do frequently as a journalist,
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: call up the courts and cross reference things, saying, you know,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: as such and such as come in on this matter.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I just want to check up things. You could contact
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: the police and they might be able to tell I
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: mean they I as a journalist used to contact police
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: all the time about matters, and they would not use
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: someone's name in the confirmation, but they would more or
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: less confirm that something did or did not happen. So
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: I can see plenty of avenues she could have taken
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: to try and find out why this man might have
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: had his request denied, and she's not done so and said, yes,
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: you know, he has integrity and character, and he contributes
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: to the community by touching up women.
• 25:26
  Speaker 6: Apparently.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean we know that labor loves migration, so
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: when I first read this story, I thought, ah, this
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: labor loves a good citizen. Labor loves a migration story,
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: because this is the migrant vote, isn't it. You're right,
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I mean, but in general, when you do provide a
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: reference for somebody, you've got to know them pretty well
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: to want to provide him several years.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: These offenses took place twelve years ago.
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: You'd want to be one under you will you don't
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: know them that well personally, right, she obviously met him
• 25:58
  Speaker 3: that then she knew of him with in the community.
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: By the sounds of it, I don't think that they
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: were mates bye bye. No, No, they weren't besties. They
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: weren't hanging out the pub.
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: At the week.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: He gives in her electric right, he lives.
• 26:07
  Speaker 5: In the electro.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: So okay, let's make an assumption, perhaps that they saw
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: each other every now and then.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: You know, Hi, how are you? So the question is
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: how well did she she know him?
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: Really? The point of a reference the point of a reference.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: But the point is if you're going to provide a
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: reference for somebody you don't know that well, it's a
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: little bit strange if I wouldn't provide a reference for
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: someone I didn't know, if I know on your person casually,
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: I'll just go I wouldn't provide you with a brains.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: If I wrote you a reference, I'd say you and
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: I know each other.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: No, but I would say I've known Danika for the
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: past four years in my capacity as x y Z.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not giving a reference for your entire life. I'm
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: giving you a reference. I know you to be x
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: y Z.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: But James, you and I know each other on a
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: personal level because I've seen you outside of this office.
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is, whenever someone provides a reference,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: it's not a reference for their entire life.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: It's a reference as to how you know that person
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: to be.
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: If there's other information that others know well that will
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: come to life, James.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: There's a difference between fiding a reference for somebody that
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: you see casually in the street every now. Nice to
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: see you, Hi, how you're going in the community. Can
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: I help you out with anything in this electorate, anything
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: that I can do to further your life? Versus some
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: people who actually know each other on a personal level
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: and a professional level because they've been in association for many,
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: many years in close proximity. I mean, you and I
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: one meter away from each other, so you would know
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: a lot about my capabilities based on the fact of this.
• 27:22
  Speaker 5: It's a very very different situation.
• 27:24
  Speaker 6: She missed. There is a get out clause on that one.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: God, if the problem is she said, I can confidently
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: attest to his character, integrity and contribution to the Australian community.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: She could have said, in my experience he has been
• 27:38
  Speaker 4: da da da da da.
• 27:39
  Speaker 6: I have never seen anything that.
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: Would lead me to believe that he would deserve to
• 27:43
  Speaker 4: have his citizenship denied. I mean, she could quite rightly
• 27:46
  Speaker 4: turn around and say, I wasn't aware. I said that
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: in my experience of dealing with him, he'd been a
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: decent person. I was not aware of that. Now that
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: I'm aware of that, I withdraw my submission. Bang yeah,
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: fixed confidently attest that he's a great member of the community.
• 28:03
  Speaker 6: Another question I've got about this.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: If a bloke who's not a citizen of this country
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: has been convicted twice of touching up women in his cab,
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: why is he still in this country at all? The
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: migrant he should have been put on a plane or
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: a boat or some other vessel and sent back.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Whence he came.
• 28:23
  Speaker 5: Why in Victoria? In Victoria, Victoria.
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: Well, it's a feedful matter. It's not a Victorian matter.
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: Whether they love a migrant boat.
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: He should be gone. It's just insane.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Anyway, Let's move on to something else, which you may
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: consider positive, or you may.
• 28:39
  Speaker 6: Not depending on your perspective.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: And interesting story popped up in the OS today that
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: will be in the paper on the weekend that has
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: two interesting little tidbits in it. One is that seemingly
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: there is an interest in young men becoming Christian. Right
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: they say in this article forty percent of Australian men
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: under twenty eight identify as Christian. But if you're a woman,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: it's a slightly different story. Thirty percent of Australian women,
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: according to this story and the study that it is quoting,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: identify as Christians. So the rate of young men who
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: are saying they are Christian is obviously much higher than
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: young women. Now, before you jump up and down and say,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: oh well, it chose that young men are terribly interested
• 29:25
  Speaker 4: in Christianity, it is still lower than the national number.
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: At the last census, it was forty three point nine
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: percent of all Australians said they were Christian. And there
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: are there were at that census one point four million
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: fewer Christians in this country than there were in nineteen
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: ninety six, despite the fact that the population has obviously
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: increased significantly since then. But it does buy into an
• 29:51
  Speaker 4: argument that has been run for some time that young
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: men now are looking for something to believe in. They've
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: been raised in a world where their masculinity has been questioned,
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: are sometimes even demonized. They don't have social structures that
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: used to exist. They are lonelier than they have ever been,
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: and so they are looking for something to believe in.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: They're looking for a community, and many young men are
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: finding that community in church. The interesting thing is that
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: women are not doing the same thing, and it fits
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: into all the stuff we've seen in terms of political beliefs.
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: Younger men are skewing further to the right, Younger women
• 30:30
  Speaker 4: are skewing further to the left. Young women are more
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: likely to get a university education.
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: Than men are.
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: Young women are more likely to do better at school
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: than young men are. On and on it goes where
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: young men are basically being disenfranchised, so it would not
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: come as a surprise that they're going well. I got
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: to find a community or something to believe in because
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: the world is leaving me behind.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: I also think as well. I do agree.
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: I think when it comes to men, I think men
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: are provid, and I think that we are living in
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: very very difficult times.
• 31:03
  Speaker 5: The cost of living crisis, the fuel crisis.
• 31:05
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's happening all around the world, and when
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: men can't provide for their family, I think it has devastating.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: Impacts on them.
• 31:11
  Speaker 3: And sometimes when you're out of hope, you turn to
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: something that to give you hope.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: You pray and you hope for the best in your life.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: And I think that's another reason why men are looking
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: for something, looking for something to believe in when they
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: are down in the dumps. When it comes to women,
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: I do I absolutely agree with you. I think it's
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: it is definitely women's views are very different. But I
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: also think a big aspect is that women are more
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: spiritual than what men are, and women are more likely
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to take on this. They call it new age spirit spiritualism. Well,
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: I mean you might think it's rubbish, but I think
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: there's a lot of women out there who do believe
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: in spirituality.
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: And that's fine. Lowed you're looking like, what the hell,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: but I do it.
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: I think that that's the reason why women are not
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: turning to Christianity, because they have their own fundamental beliefs
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: and that's to do with spirituality.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I think for young I thought you're going to make
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: another profound point.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: No, that was it.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: I think for young guys, if you've been told because
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: secularism and materialism tells us you came from nothing. When
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: you die, you end up as nothing, Now find purpose
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: and meaning. Well, if you came from nothing and you
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: end up as nothing, what does life mean? They do
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: the math and think, well, you know, eat, drink, and
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: be happy because tomorrow we die.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: So it's all for nought.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone can seriously abide such a
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: nilist philosophy. And so it's natural that whether you're looking
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: for spirituality and sort of new age philosophies, or whether
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: you're looking to the Christian faith, people look for meaning
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: and purpose because we're designed for meaning and purpose. So
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I think this is quite predictable that once you've got
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the car, the boat, the house, the relationship, and you're
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: still not satisfied, of course you're going to say there's
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: got to be something more.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: I think it's a positive for churches.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: That young men are going to church because I think
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: think typically you might push back on this one, but
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: I think young men are more likely to influence their
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: partner to come to church than a woman is to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: influence her male partner to come to church. So I
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: think most churches would see this is a very good
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: thing that young men are going to church. This could
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: very well lead to a resurgence in church attendance. You
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: start with men, you'll probably get the women as well.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I probably couldn't a young woman, probably couldn't encourage me
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: to get into a hokey pokey spiritual stuff.
• 33:28
  Speaker 6: So you might be right on.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: That the pokey spiritual is that the technical term?
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: Look, I don't think I think a lot of men
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: are not into the spiritual stuff, and that's fine, don't
• 33:37
  Speaker 3: I don't think that's the.
• 33:38
  Speaker 6: Prob the hoost who leaves Jeneka.
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: Do I want to read your tea Labe love that ability?
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: That would be really far other side of the world,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: you know, the other, not the other side of the
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: world that's China or somewhere the other, the other dimeinsion, confortence.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Something to you is the difference between in your view,
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: men and women. Women are more feeling orientated.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Definitely, so spiritual reality. Yes, I'm not being condescending, No, no, no,
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: why it's the.
• 34:04
  Speaker 5: Women are more feeling.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: Women have the Yeah, women go off more feelings based
• 34:09
  Speaker 3: than what a man would I think men just make split,
• 34:12
  Speaker 3: split decisions and they and I mean, this is this
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: is this is, this is gonna. I don't know how
• 34:18
  Speaker 3: to describe this without saying it, and this, this means
• 34:21
  Speaker 3: no offense. Men just think a lot more simply than
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: women stupid, and just that I would feel like men
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: are a lot more like women over analyzed. Women will
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: think about it and overanalyze and go into details, and
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: then suddenly it's all these loops and loops where men
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: are just like, ah, leave me forward, you know what
• 34:42
  Speaker 3: I mean. It's actually a compliment to men, is what
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: Men attracted to Christianity because Christianity is a historically based
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: It's either true or.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: It's not exactly Jesus.
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: And that's my point.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: What he said he did is not not simple, but
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: it's either it's.
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: A simple, but I think it's more a simple philosophy,
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: whereas women would over maybe overthink it and try and
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: go into deep and meaningfuls about it.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: There's a good line to your point, Janika, in as
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: good as it gets. Jack Nicholson right, and he's this
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: romance novelist and he goes into to see his publisher
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: and the reception girl gets.
• 35:18
  Speaker 6: Up and goes, how do you write women so well?
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: And he says, I think of a man and I
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: take away reason and accountability.
• 35:27
  Speaker 5: So that's you know, that's what I mean. See, I
• 35:29
  Speaker 5: don't it doesn't It wasn't it.
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: It's not a bad thing, because I do think that
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: women do overthink things compared to men.
• 35:36
  Speaker 5: Men are like, why why are you overthinking that? There's
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: nothing to it? Do you know what I mean? That's
• 35:40
  Speaker 5: what I mean. So that's why. Yeah, to your point,
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: I think.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: So quickly before we go from this topic, what do
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: you make of the Australian Christian Lobby promoting a study
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: today that found they interviewed ten thousand Christians in this country,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: ninety two percent of whom said it's riskier to be
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: public about your faith in Australia today than it was
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: five years ago. Forty percent of whom said they regularly
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: self censor in order to avoid harassment or discrimination in
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: the workplace or when they're out and about. Are you
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: surprised by those numbers or do you think that's part
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: of the course these days.
• 36:14
  Speaker 6: No, I'm not surprised.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: If you go back in the seventies, more than eighty
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: percent of people in this country were Christian. Now it's
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: somewhere in the forty odd percent range. We've got a
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: census this year, so we'll get a more accurate picture
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: of what it looks like now. But one of the
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: examples out of this survey was we heard one story
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: of a lady who wears a crucifix to work. She
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: was told by the leadership in her workplace that it
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: was disrespectful for her to wear the crucifix when there
• 36:38
  Speaker 4: were Muslims in the workplace. But the Muslims were allowed
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: to wear the hijab, but she was confronted about wearing
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: the cross. And I suspected to the double standard in
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: particular in some cases that really irks people and makes
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: them feel uncomfortable and as though their religion is not welcome,
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: when perhaps at other times we bend over backwards to
• 36:57
  Speaker 4: accommodate other people's religions.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: Well, I think as well, the Left have just destroyed
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: this whole narrative because the left claim that they're the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: most tolerant of them all, but as soon as they
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: you know, obviously, with Christianity, you have strong beliefs about euthanasia,
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: about abortion, for example, and the left will come at
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: you and tell you you're wrong for having those beliefs.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: So it's just easier to go, Okay, I'm just going
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: to hide the fact that I'm a Christian.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Interesting, all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll look at what's making headlines tomorrow,
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: including you don't believe how much rents are set to
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: increase under Jim Chalmer's budget, that and more. In just
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: a moment, okay, let's take a look at what's making
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: headlines tomorrow. We'll start with the Daily Telegraph, who, of
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: course have got a photograph there of their winning rugby
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: league players celebrating their domination over Queensland last night.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: We won't talk about that because what's his name?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Well, he's a new South Welshman, so I wouldn't know.
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: I support the Maroons.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Oh come on, he's the man that did you boys
• 38:00
  Speaker 4: ins Tedesco.
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: That was a Cleary.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Oh, there you go, dating Cleary because he's dating I
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: only know because he's dating what's a Miry foul?
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Mary foul?
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. We're all very big rugby league
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: fans on this program.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: Let's go to the splash Jim's House of Cards, reads
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: the headline, Labour's negative gearing and capital gains tax changes
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: will push rents up by as much as four hundred
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: and seventy seven dollars a year by the end of
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: the decade, according to new modeling, which also predicts the
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: contentious reforms will exacerbate the nation's housing crisis. It comes
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: as political leaders clashed over the legislation introduced into Parliament yesterday,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: with Opposition leader Angus Taylor calling Anthony Albanesi a quote
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: arrogant prick, which is rather colorful language in the House
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: of Parliament. You know, I think Renters will probably be
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: saying something similar.
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: Do you know. I don't know what the big deal
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: is about.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: What you know, Angus Taylor apparently called Anthony ABENEZI who cares.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: I'm sure many people at home will be saying.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: A lot worse. Well, I mean to call him a liar.
• 39:05
  Speaker 5: You know, I mean an argant greg who cares?
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: God, it shouldn't be.
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: The problem is is that your rents are going to
• 39:11
  Speaker 3: go up, so as we had predicted, look out, Renters,
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: He's coming for your money.
• 39:15
  Speaker 4: Who would have thank it? This is wonderful for young
• 39:19
  Speaker 4: people isn't it?
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Isn't it?
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: I mean intergenerational generational equity of its stunning. It's just
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: that you just must You'll be so much better off
• 39:27
  Speaker 4: when you're paying an extra four hundred and seventy seven
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: dollars on your rent in twenty thirty.
• 39:32
  Speaker 5: Fantast My word is my bond?
• 39:34
  Speaker 6: Well yeah, not this bond, the real bond.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: Every time you say that on your show, It's a
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: great show, five pm every Friday.
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Gave you a little bit.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Every time you say that on your show, I'm like, oh, oh,
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: I could think of his elbow. Now it's been that.
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: The word, the line is cursed. Now I'm worry but
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: it's cursed.
• 39:52
  Speaker 6: I'm trying to reclaim it. You know, I get it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 6: No you can't. I'm reclaiming it from albow.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: I don't think it can. When I say it, I
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: mean your word is your bond? It is?
• 40:03
  Speaker 6: I know.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Okay, let's take a look at the Australian charging into
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: the red. Bowen's battery scheme caught short. Climate Change and
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: Energy Minister Chris Bowen's multi billion dollar cheaper home batteries
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: program was so over budget that the Department warned its
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: funding would run dry, and the government quietly passed a
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: regulation to take money from a different agency to pay
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: for the scheme. The government in February signed off on
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: rules that told the Clean Energy Regulator to disperse money
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: and essentially fund the green energy subsidy well. Internal documents
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: show that after the Climate Change and Energy Department had
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: spent one point seven billion in twenty twenty five and
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: the first two months of twenty six if budgeted forty
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: four hundred and eighteen million dollars more to top up
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: the funding.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: I just hang on word.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Wasn't everything meant to be cheaper under the renewables only fantasy?
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Weren't the bills meant to be going down? There wasn't
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: the spending meant to be coming down? And we've got
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: a part time energy minister who's swanting about the globe
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: and he's spending more and more money on his battery scheme.
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, and we're supposed to believe that everything
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: is going swimmingly.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: The amazing thing about this is Chris Bowen has never
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: been particularly effective in any portfolio he's held in and
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: Albinezi has given him arguably the biggest job in the
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: country in terms of the energy transition, you probably couldn't have.
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: I was going to say you couldn't have a worse person,
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: but then I started going through all the different people
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: in the labor caucus and we're sport for choices when
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: it comes to worse people Andrew Giles to choose.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Now, that was a failed experiment of Andrew Giles. The
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: guy who represented asylum seekers on the Tampa ended up
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: being the Immigration Minister.
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: No surprise at the incompetency here at all.
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: And it's effectively a subsidy for the top end of
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: town because the government only covers about thirty odd percent
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: of the cost of the battery, so you've got to
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: be able to pay for the rest of it. And
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: who's able to pay for the rest of it, Well,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: people who can afford.
• 41:56
  Speaker 6: To do that kind of thing.
• 41:57
  Speaker 4: So it's the government subsidizing people in and the inner
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: city as opposed to people in the suburbs who like
• 42:04
  Speaker 4: to be able to have their power bills loud.
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: Absolutely.
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: Also on the front page, Gender clinics silent on risks.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Australia's most powerful transgender lobby group ACON runs a gender
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: clinic in Sydney that systemically hides potentially life threatening medical
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: risks from patients in its advertising. Complaints filed with the
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: National Health and Corporate Regulators alleged the Calido Health Center,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: which provides gender affirming hormone therapy and surgical referrals to
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: transgender patients, including children, operates as a trading name of
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Acon and has the same chief executive and chair president
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: as a trans advocacy group. This is not the first
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: time we've heard of a gender clinic in the same
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: vein with the same allegations in parts of the country
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: as well, So yeah, it's a real worry, isn't it.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: What's interesting about this is that they do treat people
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: under the age of eighteen, but you've got to hunt
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: around on the website to find that information.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: It's not obviously accessible.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: Which raises a quest' why would you make it difficult
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: for that kind of information to be public.
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: I think we all know why.
• 43:06
  Speaker 4: And it's also we're largely funded by the New South
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: Wales government.
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: They should be having a look as well.
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: On the front of the Herald Sun tomorrow, somewhat of
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: a bitter.
• 43:16
  Speaker 6: Sweet story and exclusive.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: It says music megastars to perform in Melbourne tribute to Farnsie.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Voice to the World, Selene Dionn, Hugh Jackman and Keith
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: Urban will headline a star studded fundraising concert in honor
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: of Australian singing legend John Farnham, who retired from public
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: life after being treated for mouth cancer in twenty twenty four.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: And it says below that in this exclusive interview with
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: John Farnham, why I'll never sing again? Which is a
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: shame because I was really.
• 43:46
  Speaker 6: Hoping he'd be able to build this out one more time.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: Delame style shady.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: They're cleaning Lady because it's for it all started now.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Now the question is does James know Sadie the Cleaning Lady?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Not personally, No, but I know I know the song Monika.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I'm familiar with this goodness.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: He knows that one Wow.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Age of reason, great Australian album. Have you got the album?
• 44:22
  Speaker 5: No, I don't, I have it? You have? Well, this
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: is a revelation musical tune that I don't.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: I'm on Spotify. I've got it all right. Here's the
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: I don't think that.
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: Can got it? I downloaded it on the interne.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: J V joy Ride, reads the headline on the Can's
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: Post three allegedly stolen cars, multiple suburbs terrorized.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: One hundred and thirty calls to triple zero.
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: Police are calling for calm after a forty eight hour
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: crime spree that took sixty officers, a chopper and a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: dog squad to bring to a halt. That's a credible one.
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: Hundred wow sixty wows.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: They've got problems in Collins.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they certainly director before.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: We get to the Oh so you're doing that? Sorry?
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: Oh no, but by all means, do you want to
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: take my you want to take that.
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: I'll take some.
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: I'm a simple thinking person and I forgot it was you.
• 45:21
  Speaker 6: On the front of the Newcastle Herald.
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: The government has launched legal action against chemical Giant billion
• 45:27
  Speaker 4: dollar p fast bombshell. The Australian government is suing you
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: with chemical gant three three AM. I was going to
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: say three million dollars. They are suing three M for
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: two billion dollars for damages caused by a so called
• 45:38
  Speaker 4: forever chemicals used in firefighting, Ferment, Williamtown, Raft Bass and
• 45:43
  Speaker 4: other bases around Australia.
• 45:45
  Speaker 6: I don't think that'll be the last we'll hear of
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: that one.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: Could I just say, I think you would have done
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: a much better job on that story.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Thank you so much, thank you. I appreciate it.
• 45:52
  Speaker 6: Because she thinks in a more complishment.
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: I'm done with you too. Tonight.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: We got it done. We got to go to a break.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: When we come back, a buffalo saved from slaughter because
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: it looks like Donald Trump.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not joking. We'll show you after the break.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Okay, Caleb, You've got a very unusual traffic stop in
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: the United States.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: Indeed, a woman was pulled over because the copper thought
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: he saw her with her telephone in her right hand.
• 46:23
  Speaker 6: There's only one problem with that, asked me, the.
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: Phone which your right hand?
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: When you believe in that phone, I.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: Mean I you did hand to guard?
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: You have.
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: The other hand to guard? You don't have one?
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: She only, chilly copper.
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: Your phone was in your and I love that hand
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: to God, and she.
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: She sticks it up. That's gold.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I should say that the case is being dropped because
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: of course he couldn't have had a phone in her
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: right hand. But what was the copper thinking trying to
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: persist with it after she showed that she doesn't have
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: a right hand.
• 47:09
  Speaker 6: He wouldn't let it go.
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: He should have gone, sorry, madam, I got that one wrong,
• 47:13
  Speaker 4: didn't I.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: The first rule of holes, when you're in one, stop digging.
• 47:18
  Speaker 6: You sure, hand to God.
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: About you'd be familiar with real estate agents these days.
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: They do promotional videos to try and display properties and
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: help sell them. A real estate agent in Cleveland was
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: producing a promotional video for a property he's trying to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: sell when this happened.
• 47:38
  Speaker 6: This property is a triplex, meaning three apartments are a
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: one roof, which I honestly prefer.
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure gunshots going off in the background is
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: going to help you sell a property, though it has
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: helped the video get two point four million views, not
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: from potential buyers.
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: No, that's not going to do anything to sell that.
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: It's not going to upsell it. Put it that way,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: definitely will not upsell it.
• 48:11
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: A rare albino buffalo cute, little rare albino buffalo in
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: Bangladesh has been spared from sacrifice, nicknamed Donald Trump because
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: of his well it looks it does actually look like
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: a two pay to be honest, it's his blonde tuft.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: He's been spared from sacrifice following a last minute government intervention,
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: and this is simply because the buffalo went viral on
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: social media. People cause you know, said no, no, we
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  Speaker 3: can't have him, have him sacrificed as part of the
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  Speaker 3: id al Ada celebrations. And so he's been spared and
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  Speaker 3: the buyer has been refunded. There you go, it pace
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  Speaker 3: to look like Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 1: Well, the government actually going to put the ball in
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  Speaker 1: a zoo.
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  Speaker 3: In a zoo now has been spared, but the buyer
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  Speaker 3: got a refund out of it.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, who would have thought that, you know, you'd
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  Speaker 6: have a what this? It looks like Donald Trump.
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  Speaker 4: That goes when I saw this story last week about
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  Speaker 4: the count how they're going to sacrifice him, and the
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  Speaker 4: owner said, you know, it's going to be a real
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  Speaker 4: shame because they've come to love Donald Trump. Well, you know,
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: and they've tried to kill Donald Trump many times, and
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: once again he's avoided assassination.
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