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Dishwasher Repairmen Find Starved Tot-Girl Horrifically Bound With Thick Duct Tape · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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  Speaker 2: We have all had maintenance men come to our apartment
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  Speaker 2: or home. But what this maintenance man found when he
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  Speaker 2: came to service a dishwasher was highly unusual. As a
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  Speaker 2: matter of fact. Criminal. A little girl just two years old,
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  Speaker 2: bound near death, starved and bound with duct tape. A
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  Speaker 2: two year old little girl nearly starved, literally hours away
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  Speaker 2: from death and horribly bound in duct tape. You know
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  Speaker 2: what happens and you bind a child in duct tape?
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  Speaker 2: Does the name top mom Casey Anthony ring a bell?
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  Speaker 2: Remember when Kelley her two year old daughter, Kelly's remains found,
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  Speaker 2: She was bound around the head with duct tape? Does
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  Speaker 2: a name called mom Laurie Vallo and her husband number
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  Speaker 2: four or five ring a bell? The prophet Chad Day
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  Speaker 2: Bell duct tape? It goes on and on. Ruby Frankie,
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  Speaker 2: the online influencer with her own program on how to
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  Speaker 2: raise your children? Her children starved and duct taped? What
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  Speaker 2: is wrong with these people? I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 2: Crime Stories and on series ex Sem one eleven. You
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  Speaker 2: know what, I'm a JD T try a lawyer. I'm
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  Speaker 2: not a shrink. Maybe they can sort through their problems
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  Speaker 2: behind bars. And you know, there's a controversial move afoot
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  Speaker 2: for the death penalty to be imposed in cases of
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  Speaker 2: extreme child abuse. Let that sink in for a moment.
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  Speaker 2: A two year old girl starved and bound in duct tape,
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  Speaker 2: and they're not even trying to hide it. The dishwasher
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  Speaker 2: repairman sees the girl first of all. Take a listen
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  Speaker 2: to this.
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  Speaker 3: Maintenance workers at a Houston apartment complex get a service
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  Speaker 3: call for a non working dishwasher. As they make repairs,
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  Speaker 3: a child can be heard crying unconsolably in another room.
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  Speaker 3: The workers investigate and find a toddler lying in the
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  Speaker 3: living room floor under a blanket. Lifting the blanket, the
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  Speaker 3: two year old child's limbs are duct taped together. The
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  Speaker 3: workers take photos and videos, leave the apartment and call
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  Speaker 3: Houston police.
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I'm so distraught about this. I need
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  Speaker 2: to hear that again. Take a listen to our friends
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  Speaker 2: at crime Online.
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  Speaker 3: Maintenance workers at a Houston apartment complex get a service
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  Speaker 3: call for a non working dishwasher. As they make repairs,
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  Speaker 3: a child can be heard crying unconsolably in another room.
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  Speaker 3: The workers investigate and find a toddler lying in the
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  Speaker 3: living room floor under a blanket. Lifting the blanket, the
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  Speaker 3: two year old child's limbs are duct taped together. The
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  Speaker 3: workers take photos and videos, leave the apartment and call
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  Speaker 3: Houston Police.
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  Speaker 2: I guess they were too afraid to toast the child,
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  Speaker 2: afraid that they would somehow be blamed for her condition.
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  Speaker 2: And it reminds me a great deal of the case
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  Speaker 2: we're covering right now out of Ritzy, La, where a
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  Speaker 2: famous producer's son dismembers his wife and tries to convince
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  Speaker 2: day workers to take the remains away and throw them
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  Speaker 2: in a dumpster. They were so afraid when they into
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  Speaker 2: the trash bag, they went straight to police because they
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  Speaker 2: were afraid they would be blamed. Same thing here, joining
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  Speaker 2: me an all star panel. But first I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: go to crime online dot Com investigative reporter Nicole Parton. Nicole,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to just ask you a series of rapid
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  Speaker 2: fire questions. Okay, then I'm going to go to the
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  Speaker 2: other experts to explain aspects of what we are hearing
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  Speaker 2: right now. You're telling me the little girls two years old, right, yes,
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  Speaker 2: and she's near death. She starved that much. It's not
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  Speaker 2: like she just went to bed without her supper. But
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  Speaker 2: the girl is about to die at age two, and
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  Speaker 2: they find her duct tape.
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  Speaker 4: How they're they're working on the dishwasher and they hear
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  Speaker 4: this baby crying, like not just the baby upset, but
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  Speaker 4: uncontrollably crying, fighting for its life. They go into the
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  Speaker 4: living room and they see a baby under a blanket.
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  Speaker 4: When they lift the blanket, there she is duct taped,
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  Speaker 4: her limbs duct tape. They see her emaciated body. She's
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  Speaker 4: hours away from dying. Thank goodness. They take the videos
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  Speaker 4: and they take photos and call us forty.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how medical professionals can determine you're just
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  Speaker 2: quote hours from death, because Nicole Parton, you have literally
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  Speaker 2: ten children. When I gave birth to the twins, the
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  Speaker 2: doctor said Lucy would have died within thirty six to
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  Speaker 2: seventy two hours if we had not had any emergency
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  Speaker 2: c section. She was not getting any nutrition. She weighed
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  Speaker 2: two pounds. John David or twin brother was getting it all.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know how they can look at someone and
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  Speaker 2: tell but guess what, they're almost always right. We have
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  Speaker 2: a medical doctor on doctor Harvey Castro to explain that
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  Speaker 2: to us. But first I'm want to go to doctor
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  Speaker 2: John Delatory, very well known psychologist and mediator, especially in
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  Speaker 2: forensic psychology. You can find him at Resolution FCS. Doctor Delatory,
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us, doctor Delatory. Another striking
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  Speaker 2: aspect of this discovery of a two year old little
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  Speaker 2: girl duct tape and starved. They didn't really even try
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  Speaker 2: to hide it. The dishwasher repairman walks in and the
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  Speaker 2: baby is in the lying in the floor under a blanket, crying.
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  Speaker 2: I guess in the next room, what is that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, you have to remember these individuals are doing this
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  Speaker 5: because they don't see the child as being a human
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  Speaker 5: in any way. Right. They have the blanket over the
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  Speaker 5: child because they want the child to be scared. They
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  Speaker 5: want the child in their mind. They're trying to teach
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  Speaker 5: this child a lesson. Right does this matter if they
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  Speaker 5: have any family relations or anything like that. All that
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  Speaker 5: matters is that the children listen to them. Right, Children
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  Speaker 5: in these situations are merely objects and if they if
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  Speaker 5: the object does something wrong, then they need to be punished,
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  Speaker 5: and they'll be punished with with restricted movement, and they'll
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  Speaker 5: be punished with the restriction on food to teach them
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  Speaker 5: a lesson. This is about power, This is about showing
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  Speaker 5: that they have authority over the child.
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  Speaker 2: Well, we'll see who gets taught a lesson in this scenario.
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  Speaker 2: I want to hear more about this, Jackie. Let's hear
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  Speaker 2: in our cut to Dave Mack from Crime Online.
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  Speaker 6: The maintenance workers show Houston police their photos and videos.
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  Speaker 6: Police take the girl to the hospital, where doctors say
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  Speaker 6: she might not have survived through the night had she
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  Speaker 6: not been brought in for care. KPRC reports the child
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  Speaker 6: was malnourished and suffered injuries indicating physical abuse.
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  Speaker 2: This is what I'm learning. Let me go to doctor
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  Speaker 2: Harvey Castro, board certifined emergency care physician, health care consultant,
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  Speaker 2: CEO of Medical Intelligent Ops and creator of text Sherlock Holmes,
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  Speaker 2: which I love because my son and I are obsessed
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  Speaker 2: with Sherlock Combs and I very often go to my
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  Speaker 2: mind palace. Dtor Castro, I want you to hear what
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  Speaker 2: I've learned about the injuries to this two year old
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  Speaker 2: little girl twenty four months old. Take a listen.
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  Speaker 7: The two year old girl was found with her feet
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  Speaker 7: duct taped and was determined to be nonverbal and suffering
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  Speaker 7: from physical abuse as well as psychological abuse and neglect.
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  Speaker 7: Doctors discovered she also suffered a brain bleed caused by
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  Speaker 7: head trauma, anemia, and kidney failure as a result of
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  Speaker 7: the abuse. Even though she is two years old, the
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  Speaker 7: victim is so malnourished her weight is equivalent to that
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  Speaker 7: of an average one year old. The list of the
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  Speaker 7: child's injuries was extensive, including acute kidney injury, bilateral subdural hemorrhages, anemia, malnourishment,
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  Speaker 7: subconjunctival hemorrhages, and retinal hemorrhages.
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  Speaker 2: You know, doctor Harvey Castro, hearing Sidney Summer from crime online,
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  Speaker 2: apparently read off from a medical report, reminds me of
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  Speaker 2: going to the medical examiner's office. And of course they
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  Speaker 2: would all hip when they saw my beat up Honda,
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  Speaker 2: usually smoking from under the hood, coming their way, letting
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  Speaker 2: the blinds down, shut the door because they did not
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  Speaker 2: want to go through every single word, which I had
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  Speaker 2: to do. It's like someone speaking Latin. When you medical
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  Speaker 2: Lexander start talking, you no offense. I love medical examiners,
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  Speaker 2: Doctor Harvey Castro. My first question is how can you
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  Speaker 2: look at somebody and say, oh, well, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be dead in twenty four hours. How do you It's
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  Speaker 2: like the weather. How do you know that?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, honestly, it's our clinical distault. After being seen so
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  Speaker 8: many patients think of it. We see thousands of thousands
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  Speaker 8: a year, and then walking in a room, you can
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  Speaker 8: tell color of the skin, at their kneemas they're vitals
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  Speaker 8: to how their heart rate, how they're acting. Often within
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  Speaker 8: thirty seconds, you can walk in and tell yeah, this
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  Speaker 8: this person's not going to make it, or this person's
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  Speaker 8: going to be hospitalized, or we need to jump on
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  Speaker 8: these things quick because this person's not going to make it.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that was a lot of information doctor. I'm trying
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  Speaker 2: to digest it, but it reminds me the twins are
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  Speaker 2: constantly asking how do you know when people are lying? Well,
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  Speaker 2: because I've put I don't know, five to eight thousand
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  Speaker 2: people under oath and watched them lie. I certainly haven't
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  Speaker 2: taken a class in it, but I can tell most
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  Speaker 2: of the time. So you and other doctors, especially in
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  Speaker 2: er doctors, because you see so many people near death.
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  Speaker 2: It's not like going to the dermatologist, right, No, if
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  Speaker 2: it's to all you dermys out there, But they took
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  Speaker 2: one look at this little girlment she would be dead
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  Speaker 2: in twenty four hours. That's what they said. When Lucy
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  Speaker 2: was born, they looked at her and said she would
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  Speaker 2: have been dead in thirty six hours.
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  Speaker 1: Max Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.
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  Speaker 2: The injuries, specifically doctor Castro, the one that concerned me
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  Speaker 2: the most. A brain bleed caused by head trauma. That's
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  Speaker 2: not just bumping your head, that's being thrown against the
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  Speaker 2: floor or hit with an object. That and what we
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  Speaker 2: learned about the kidney A cute kidney injury. Now again
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  Speaker 2: I'm just a lawyer, but when you have a cute
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  Speaker 2: kidney injury, and I don't mean kidney ailment, kidney illness,
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  Speaker 2: I mean kidney injury, I've only heard of that from
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  Speaker 2: someone getting punched or kicked or beaten and it hits
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  Speaker 2: the kidney.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly. And the fact that she's the malnutritions there
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  Speaker 8: tells me she's kine, not getting any water, and that's
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  Speaker 8: another way of getting kidney disease.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, kidney disease a kidney injury don't sound like the
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  Speaker 2: same thing to me. Of course, I know nothing but
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  Speaker 2: kidney disease, a kidney injury sound like two different things.
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  Speaker 9: I agree.
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  Speaker 8: I think it was the combination of both. I think
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  Speaker 8: she got unfortunately head to the brain where you see
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  Speaker 8: all these brain bleaves, and then she was possibly maybe
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  Speaker 8: then suffocated because there is some subconjunctival hemorrhage in the eye.
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  Speaker 2: Hey, doc, slow down, slow down, sorry, sorry, the conjunctival hemorrhages.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the partici in the eye? Is that what
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  Speaker 2: that is?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, ma'am.
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  Speaker 2: The little bitty blood vessels that can just pop if
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  Speaker 2: you have high blood pressure, or if you bend over,
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  Speaker 2: or for all sorts of reasons, okay, which is also
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  Speaker 2: a sign of asphyxiation. Hey, let me think this through,
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  Speaker 2: doctor cashtro where I'm always amazed once I get reminded
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  Speaker 2: of where various body parts are, Like you're pancreas, Jackie,
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  Speaker 2: it's actually right under right in your chest. I thought
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  Speaker 2: I was on your stomach somewhere. I'm using these anatomical
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  Speaker 2: terms very loosely, doctor Gastro, So don't get cray on me,
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  Speaker 2: But where's the kidney exactly on your body? If I
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  Speaker 2: touched if I touched my box, where would I touch
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  Speaker 2: the kidney? Where's the kidney?
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, so reach to your right and left underneath your
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  Speaker 8: ribcage in the back and right there's roughly where you'll
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  Speaker 8: see the kidney.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, all right now to Galaysia Krome, chief Communication Officer
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  Speaker 2: for Prevent Child Abuse America. I need you now, miss Chrome,
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  Speaker 2: tell me what demon from hell would kick a two
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  Speaker 2: year old child where doctor Cashta just indicated, like put
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  Speaker 2: your hands on your hips and where your ring finger
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  Speaker 2: and your index finger are fingers are, that's where your
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  Speaker 2: kidneys are. From what I just heard, who would kick
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  Speaker 2: a child or be a child right there until her
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  Speaker 2: kidney was injured?
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  Speaker 10: You know, excuse me, anthey, this is unfortunately, you know,
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  Speaker 10: one of the more severe cases that I've heard a really,
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  Speaker 10: really long time. What we do know is that the
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  Speaker 10: majority of abuse that occurs in the United States is
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  Speaker 10: actually neglect. But this rate here obviously has ties to
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  Speaker 10: what I heard before was power, right, And so if
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  Speaker 10: you start thinking about what someone else's trauma is, and
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  Speaker 10: this is not a get out of jail free card,
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  Speaker 10: this is simply an opportunity to discuss prevention, right. So
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  Speaker 10: that's really the space that I'm here to talk about
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  Speaker 10: it today, where it's what happened to this family what
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  Speaker 10: happened to these children long before this situation occurred, and
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  Speaker 10: what are some things that we as the community should
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  Speaker 10: be looking out for to prevent this from happening in
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  Speaker 10: the first place. So we all know about adverse childhood
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  Speaker 10: experiences and how that can impact parents, who caregivers who
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  Speaker 10: eventually have families to look out for. If they've not
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  Speaker 10: addressed the challenges and the adverse childhood experiences that they'd
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  Speaker 10: had before, then that's what caused. Is the environment for
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  Speaker 10: these types of things that happen. Not necessarily say that
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  Speaker 10: they are demons or that they don't love their children,
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  Speaker 10: but something has gone completely wrong and they have not
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  Speaker 10: received the resources that are needed upfront to prevent these
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  Speaker 10: types of issues from happening.
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  Speaker 2: But it is devastating, Uh, Jolaysia crew. From what I'm
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  Speaker 2: getting from you, the people that kick this child in
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  Speaker 2: the kidney, I think that star Ford Dead that bind
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  Speaker 2: her with duct tape, according to you, have had quote
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  Speaker 2: adverse end quote experiences in their childhood that they haven't resolved.
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  Speaker 2: Is that right?
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  Speaker 10: I don't know the full story, so I will say
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  Speaker 10: once we go further down the question to ask, I
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  Speaker 10: won't say definitively but the question to at least ask
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  Speaker 10: is to start there what has gone wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Just so you know, I don't give a flying fig,
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  Speaker 2: And I'm substituting fig because a quick curson for my twins,
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  Speaker 2: I don't care what happened to them, don't care. Something
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  Speaker 2: did happen to them, fine, and the statue hadn't run,
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  Speaker 2: I'll prosecute their viewser But there is no excuse for
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  Speaker 2: what has been done to this child, no excuse. I
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  Speaker 2: don't care about anything other than what happened to this
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  Speaker 2: two year old girl. And I can't even tell you
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  Speaker 2: her name because that's confidential. But I know this didn't
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  Speaker 2: happen overnight because this child was starved. Back to you,
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  Speaker 2: doctor Castro, how long does it take for a child
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  Speaker 2: to end up near death of starvation?
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  Speaker 9: You know?
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  Speaker 8: Honestly with the child, they have a high metabolism, so
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  Speaker 8: it's different from you and I to have more reserves.
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  Speaker 8: So honestly, if I had a guestimate, I would say
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  Speaker 8: within two weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Two weeks, you know what, two weeks at the minimum,
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  Speaker 2: two weeks. And you want to tell me this is
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  Speaker 2: their first time at the rodeo. B as shall not
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  Speaker 2: shall not listen I know you're a defense lawyer now,
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  Speaker 2: but try to think back to the good times when
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  Speaker 2: you were with Metro Major Case for twenty seven years.
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  Speaker 2: If this child has been starved at the least for
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  Speaker 2: two weeks, two weeks to the point where she's about
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  Speaker 2: to die, this isn't the first time they've abused or
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  Speaker 2: starved this child. This is not the first time she's
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  Speaker 2: been duct taped. Get real, Shelna. I know you're now
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  Speaker 2: a prominent defense attorney at shall Not Law Firm dot com,
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  Speaker 2: but just speak the truth. Okay, You're not getting paid
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  Speaker 2: your big retainer fees represent all your crack mealers and
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  Speaker 2: your killers and molesters. Just tell me the truth, just
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  Speaker 2: this time.
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  Speaker 11: Oh well, it is a one hundred percent certainty that
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  Speaker 11: this is not a new situation. This is a situation
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  Speaker 11: that has gone on for some time. This little girl
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  Speaker 11: has likely endured abuse through much of her lifetime, most
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  Speaker 11: certainly the recent No. I agree with you, one hundred percent.
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  Speaker 11: This is at new news around that plack.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, there's more. Take a listen, and the first thing
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  Speaker 2: I want you to notice is that it took CPS.
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  Speaker 2: May they all writ in hell too? Of course, I
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  Speaker 2: believe many of them are guided from the goodness of
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  Speaker 2: their heart, but somehow children keep ending up dead under
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  Speaker 2: their watch. They wait two days, two days with other
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  Speaker 2: children in the home by the way, they wait two
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  Speaker 2: days to amble on over, take a listen.
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  Speaker 3: Two days later, Child Protective Services responds to the apartment
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  Speaker 3: and meets with the adults and other children living in
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  Speaker 3: the apartment. The biological mother of the two year old
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  Speaker 3: girl lives in another state and left her daughter in
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  Speaker 3: the care of the child's twenty seven year old cousin,
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  Speaker 3: Tanisha to Shay Perkins. Perkins claims the other children living
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  Speaker 3: in the apartment often tie up the toddler and themselves.
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  Speaker 3: Further investigation reveals that Perkins' boyfriend, twenty three year old
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  Speaker 3: Kenry Flucker, and the toddlers seventeen year old aunt Maya
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  Speaker 3: jahar bro Magruder all live in the apartment with five
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  Speaker 3: other children. The other children appear to be in good health.
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  Speaker 2: You know who. This is reminding me of the so
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  Speaker 2: called influencer with millions of followers, Ruby Frankie, who did
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  Speaker 2: her bizarre This is How to Raise Your Child podcast
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  Speaker 2: and people actually bought into it. Eight million people were
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  Speaker 2: listening to this woman sounds like her because when she
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  Speaker 2: was finally caught, she tried to blame her own children,
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  Speaker 2: claiming they were into porn as young as three years old. Really,
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  Speaker 2: woman shut up. Not only that, but the dut tape
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  Speaker 2: rear said, sugglyhead, take a listen to our cut fourteen
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  Speaker 2: about the stars' children.
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  Speaker 4: Nine.
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  Speaker 11: I'm on the address of your emergency, okay, and the
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  Speaker 11: fun umberer calling.
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  Speaker 5: From I me, exactly what's happened.
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  Speaker 9: I just had a twelve year old boy show up
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  Speaker 9: here at my front door asking for help. And he's
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  Speaker 9: said he had just came from a neighbor's house, and
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  Speaker 9: we know there's been problems at this neighbor's house. He's emaciated,
• 20:14
  Speaker 9: he's got tape around his legs, he's hungry, and he's thirsty.
• 20:19
  Speaker 5: He is your door lock.
• 20:22
  Speaker 9: No, I'm sitting outside with him on the front patio,
• 20:28
  Speaker 9: and he asked us to call the police. So he's
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: very afraid and he's twelve years old.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: The car and the mail caller actually breaks down in tears.
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: Describe me how emaciated the boy is and how he's
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: got duct tape on each ankle and wrists and covered
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: in wounds back to you talked to Castro. When you
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: keep duct taping someone, they ultimately get sores and wounds
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: where the skin gets torn away from the duct tape.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Isn't that true, yes, ma'am.
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: And then we have a natural barrier, which is our skin,
• 21:00
  Speaker 8: and when you break that skin, even through duct tape,
• 21:02
  Speaker 8: you're going to introduce infections.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: So this is what we've got. The dishwager Repairment goes in.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: He finds his child hiding under a blanket. I don't
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: know why she's under the blanket, starving, near death and
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: covered in duct tape. This is what we learn from
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: the other children that Child Protective Services aka defacts. They
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: just decide to let the other children stay there for
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: a couple of days, just test that out. This is
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: what we learn from them.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: Listen, the other children in the home paint a grim picture.
• 21:35
  Speaker 6: The other children said. The girl sleeps on the floor
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: and regularly removes the tape from her arms, legs, and mouth.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: The toddler gets popped when she removes the tape, and
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: a lock has been put on the refrigerator to prevent
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: the little one from accessing food. ABC thirteen reports, during
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: an interview with investigators. Perkins's boyfriend tells police he has
• 21:53
  Speaker 6: never seen the toddler's ankles being taped, just her hands.
• 21:56
  Speaker 6: Flucker said the girl would not eat when given food,
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: would then sneak food from the refrigerator, trash can, and pantry,
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: and that her hands were bound to prevent her from
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: doing so.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: And more from Sidney Sumner.
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: Six year old twins tell police they have seen Perkins
• 22:10
  Speaker 7: and Kenry Flucker duct tape the two year old because
• 22:13
  Speaker 7: she wastes food. One of the twins tells investigators the
• 22:16
  Speaker 7: toddler gets popped if she removes the duct tape, and
• 22:19
  Speaker 7: that Perkins and Flucker allegedly use a belt to whoop
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: the little girl. That their mother instructed them to tell
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: anyone who asks about the duct tape that she and
• 22:27
  Speaker 7: her twin brother had been wrapping each other up.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: So like Ruby Frankie claiming a three year old was
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: into porn, you have, according to these children, who I
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: find to be some of the best witnesses in all cases.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Many people argue they can't recount what has happened, but
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: I counter that with the theory that they don't have
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: the wherewithal to lie, as well as adults. They like
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: the cunning. So this is what I'm gathering from what
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: two six year old twins tell us. That the little
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: two year old gets beaten with a belt if she
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: wastes food, and that the two little six year old
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: twins were instructed to lie, claiming that if asked that
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: the little girl would wrap the little girl and the
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: others would play with duct tape and wrap each other up. Okay,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: joining me right now, Jason Jensen, out of Salt Lake,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: private investigator, owner Jensen Private Investigations and co founder of
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: the Cold Case Coalition. You can find Jason at Jensen
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Private Investigations dot com. Jason, I love and loved putting
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: child witnesses on the stand. I never like to put
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: a child on the stand that has been a victim,
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: but I would do what I had to do to
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: put the devil in jail. You can count on that
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: and another thing, Jensen. While I believe it is traumatic
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: to put a child on the stand and I don't
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: like that, I think years on that, well know, somebody,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: if not their own parents, somebody took up for them,
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: and somebody put the bad guys behind bars for them.
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: And yes, it comes at a price. The price is
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: them having to testify. Jason Jensen, The first thing I
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: would do is put these children on camera, video their
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: statements and nail it down. I don't think that they're lying.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: I don't think children normally have the wherewithal to lie
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: the way parents.
• 24:35
  Speaker 12: Do you know, Nancy, you're right about that. I mean,
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: children are resilient. If you put them in that kind
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: of a spooky environment where they're not comfortable, put on
• 24:45
  Speaker 12: the stand in a room with an investigator for an interview,
• 24:48
  Speaker 12: it's temporary. They get over it. They usually I see
• 24:52
  Speaker 12: in the TJC videos they sigh relief when they get
• 24:56
  Speaker 12: to leave. They got whatever on their mind out in
• 24:59
  Speaker 12: the open and they can go on. So yeah, they
• 25:03
  Speaker 12: make the best witnesses.
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: And just thinking about how I would prove this case.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: How would marshal the evidence? Now? What about the bio
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: mom just passing the little girl off to a relative
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: and literally leaving the state. Take a listen.
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: The mother of the abuse toddler admitted to relinquishing care
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: and custody and control of her daughter to Tanisha Perkins
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: a few months before KHOU reports. Henry Flucker confirmed the
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: girl had been living there a few months, Flucker tells
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: police the toddler's seventeen year old aunt, Maya jahar Bro Magruder,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: moved in with them about the same time. Flucker blames
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: the abuse and neglect of the toddler on Perkins and Magruder.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: Back to Nicole Parton, I want to learn more about
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: why this two year old girl was even in that apartment,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: who was supposed to be taking care of her.
• 25:54
  Speaker 4: Her biological mother had said she couldn't care for her,
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: didn't want her anymore, and had left her in the
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: care of her cousin, who is Tanisha Perkins, the twenty
• 26:04
  Speaker 4: seven year old living in the home. The bio mom
• 26:07
  Speaker 4: had moved on with her life, moved to another state,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: gotten a job somewhere else, and had relinquished all rights
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: and responsibilities of her daughter, leaving her in the care
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: of this twenty seven year old.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I want to go now to Jlaysia Krome joining US
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: Chief Communication Officer Prevent Child Abuse America, Jalaysia, thank you
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: for being with us. Got a question for you with
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: so I can count three adults living in this home.
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: How can one or two of them stand by and
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: do nothing when they see the third adult abusing the child.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: Doesn't that make them all part of it?
• 26:46
  Speaker 10: You know? That's correct. They are all standing around all
• 26:51
  Speaker 10: they all do have a responsibility to this child, to
• 26:54
  Speaker 10: this defenseless child. And my concern, as I said before,
• 27:00
  Speaker 10: that none of these people in this household have the
• 27:03
  Speaker 10: resources that they need to make this right, to have
• 27:07
  Speaker 10: fixed this. And I'm not saying again that this is
• 27:10
  Speaker 10: where we should give a flying fig as far as
• 27:12
  Speaker 10: it comes out.
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Juli said, what does that mean? They don't
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: have the resources they need? This is abuse. This is plain, old, mean, hateful,
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: evil abuse, straight from hell. What resource do they need
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: to know? They're not supposed to duct tape a baby
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: and with whole food till she starves.
• 27:31
  Speaker 10: They should definitely know that. But if they grew up
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: watching the same thing, what about this two year old
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: that almost dies? What's going to happen to her when
• 27:39
  Speaker 10: she grows up and she's never told and never given
• 27:42
  Speaker 10: the tools to be a better parent herself when she
• 27:44
  Speaker 10: grows up, the cycle continues.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: Well, I know that I'm talking about this case and
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: these adults that did this, and they're all part of it.
• 27:53
  Speaker 10: They're all part of it. I oh, one hundred percent agree,
• 27:56
  Speaker 10: one hundred percent agree. I don't know what was going
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: through their minds, and I don't know why they felt
• 28:00
  Speaker 10: that this was the right the right way to discipline
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: a child. But this child almost die as they should
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: they should.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, do you really think that they need some
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: kind of education uh in in parenting to know you're
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: not supposed to starve a two year old and put
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a put a padlog on the on the fridge.
• 28:20
  Speaker 10: This should have happened long before. But if they were abused,
• 28:22
  Speaker 10: what if they were abused when they were young things?
• 28:24
  Speaker 10: This is a mental health issue as well. So the
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: cycle continues because no one gives a flying fig that
• 28:31
  Speaker 10: but they've been hurt.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: I got a funny feeling you're gonna keep saying flying
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: fig because.
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: You didn't give me a chance to really explain what
• 28:39
  Speaker 10: was going on. Because at the end of the day,
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: it doesn't mean that they don't deserve punishment, but we
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: got to look at what has happened to cause what
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: in the world would make a child think that this
• 28:48
  Speaker 10: is this is the way that they're supposed to discipline
• 28:51
  Speaker 10: a younger person in their family.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Well, you said this is what would make a child
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: saying this was Okay, these aren't children. They're adults, right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: These are adults that, for whatever reason, believe that this
• 29:02
  Speaker 10: is the way. But at one point they were children,
• 29:04
  Speaker 10: and so for whatever reason, they didn't get the tools
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: to understand this is not how you deal with your family,
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: This is not what you're doing is continuing discycle. So
• 29:12
  Speaker 10: someone this is James Ham.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna ask you, James, because that
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: sounds a lot like the state having to determine motive
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: that I'm supposed to say, oh, pitif them they were abused,
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: and I don't have any evidence they were abused at all,
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: but that's irrelevant in a criminal case, y'all. Not it
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter.
• 29:32
  Speaker 11: I agree one hundred percent. It's not lost on me.
• 29:34
  Speaker 11: What she is saying that that past abuses can manifest
• 29:39
  Speaker 11: themselves into that abused person's conduct in current time.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Well, she's right, she's right. I hear her, and she's
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: right about that. But I still don't care.
• 29:48
  Speaker 11: No, I don't either. The resources they had were their
• 29:51
  Speaker 11: hands in their feet. They could have picked that child
• 29:53
  Speaker 11: up and left with that child, taken that child to
• 29:55
  Speaker 11: the police station. They could have called nine on one,
• 29:57
  Speaker 11: They could have unwrapped that child from douct tape at
• 30:00
  Speaker 11: any given time. It doesn't matter what resources were there,
• 30:04
  Speaker 11: were not there. It doesn't matter what parenting skills they have.
• 30:08
  Speaker 11: It's hard for me to believe that they did not
• 30:10
  Speaker 11: have a basic common sense or basic morality of right
• 30:15
  Speaker 11: and wrong to understand that this child is being abused
• 30:19
  Speaker 11: and is likely going to die if I don't do
• 30:21
  Speaker 11: something about it.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: To doctor John Delatory, psychologists and mediator. Doctor Delatory, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: have you ever been to the zoo?
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: Yes?
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Okay, then you've been to the snakehouse? Right. I go
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: in the snakehouse and I hate snakes, but I look
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: at them because, you know what, there's a big thick
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: piece of glass between me and them. So in this case,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: I'm intrigued. I'm discussing number one. I'm angry number two,
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: and I want justice. A nice long life behind bar
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: sentence would start making me feel a little bit better,
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: Doctor Delatory. One thing I'm fascinating with, and I don't
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: understand it, is the withholding a food, using food as
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: a way to abuse a child. I mean, it's evil,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: but yet cunning. It's I've heard of it, but who
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to figure out who even think to do that,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: to put a padlot on the refrigerator.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: Well, so when it comes to the food itself, right,
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: food is both a life giving thing.
• 31:31
  Speaker 9: Right.
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: We all need food just as much as we need water, right,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: And so I think what happens is they see that
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: this child is not listening to them, The child isn't
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: doing whatever it is that they want them to do,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and so there is an aspect of suffering that that
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: must accompany that's not listening to me, right, because they're
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: not seeing the two year old as being someone who
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: clearly doesn't understand the world and clearly needs to be instructed.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: They're seeing the two year old as someone that's just
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: not following the instructions that they are trying to give it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: And because of that, particularly, this not wasting food and
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: not wasting food is something that, yeah, you shouldn't waste food. However,
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: a two year old doesn't understand that. But the two
• 32:25
  Speaker 5: year old does understand when you don't have access to it.
• 32:28
  Speaker 5: The two year old does understand when it feels bad
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: because it's hungry, because it's starving, because its body is
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: literally eating itself in order to get the nutrients it
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: needs in order to survive, and they watch this happen.
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: The adults watch this happen, and they think they are
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: teaching a lesson. But that's not what is happening here.
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: That's not They aren't teaching a lesson. They've confused what
• 32:56
  Speaker 5: they thought they were doing with being something that is
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: actually necessary.
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Time stories with me. It's a Greece, you.
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: Know, doctor Dolatory. I don't understand. As I was talking
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to Jalaysia Krome earlier at Prevent Child Abuse America, the
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: adults standing by watching it happen. For all I know,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: they took part. They all took part in it. There's
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the also the unusual factor, which I've seen in so
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: many cases, including cases I prosecuted, where there are several children,
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: but one child is picked out to be mistreated the most.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: In my case, in the cases I've seen untill the
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: child dies. But it reminds me of the Holocaust, where
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: the guards, the minders stood by and let the abuse
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: and murder of millions of jeeves happen, and they go, oh, well,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: you know, I was just following orders, like that makes
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: it okay. It happened. It's not okay. And they are
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: just as responsible as the others. And I'm trying to
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: understand how in your mind you think it's okay to
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: stand by and watch hatred take over an abuse and
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: murder occur. James Shellnott, high profile lawyer out of Alabama.
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: They all need to be charged with felony child abuse.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: And I think a tempted murder. I think this is
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: attempted murder. The child is in twenty four to thirty
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: six hours of death, that's attempted murder.
• 34:50
  Speaker 11: Oh absolutely. You know, how do you lay your head
• 34:53
  Speaker 11: down at night knowing that there's a child duct taped
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: in the living room to your own little girl? How
• 34:59
  Speaker 11: pathetic a a person do you have to be? I'll
• 35:01
  Speaker 11: tell you when I was a detective and investigated cases
• 35:04
  Speaker 11: like that, I was always very professional, played it by
• 35:07
  Speaker 11: the book. But I'll tell you this, when I go
• 35:09
  Speaker 11: to serve that warrant, it wouldn't hurt my feelings one
• 35:11
  Speaker 11: bit if I had to assist you in that pair
• 35:13
  Speaker 11: of handcuffs because you resisted. Because that's the type of demon,
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: as you said earlier, that is the type of person
• 35:19
  Speaker 11: who is a just horrible drain, a horrible menace to
• 35:24
  Speaker 11: society and I have nothing for him.
• 35:27
  Speaker 9: It's pitiful.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Guys, if you had not heard of that famous influencer
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Ruby Frankie, I know you've heard of top mom Casey
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: Anthony and her murdered daughter Kelly. Take a listen our
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: cutting nineteen duct tape again.
• 35:45
  Speaker 13: Doctor jan Garivalia, chief medical officer, set in court that
• 35:49
  Speaker 13: Kelley Anthony had been put in two plastic bags, then
• 35:52
  Speaker 13: put in a canvas bag, then thrown behind a rotting
• 35:54
  Speaker 13: log a couple blocks from her house. According to the doctor,
• 35:58
  Speaker 13: there were three overlapping pieces of duct tape over the
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: lower aspect of the face, and that these pieces of
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: duct tape were the smoking gun that something terrible happened
• 36:06
  Speaker 13: to Kaylee Anthony.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: In other words, it was no accident that Kelly died
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: and this case, the case in chief, reminds me of
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a horrific case we covered out of Arizona. Take a
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: listen in our cut twenty one to cheek. John Mason
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: basically received a phone call for call service to the
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: apartment at six fifty five South Mason Drive.
• 36:31
  Speaker 14: When officers arrived back to the Saint they eventually made
• 36:34
  Speaker 14: contact with our suspect.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: They entered the apartment and they located a three.
• 36:39
  Speaker 14: Year old child inside a black trash bag.
• 36:44
  Speaker 13: The child had duct tape.
• 36:45
  Speaker 14: Over her mouth, around her arms, her hands and legs.
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: The child was in a terrible condition.
• 36:52
  Speaker 14: She was covered in pieces, wearing a diaper and t
• 36:55
  Speaker 14: shirt and the officers were able to remove the duct
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: tape and the child was transported to the.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Hospital immediately and more from Chief Chief Masa.
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: The suspect was interviewed by detectives and confessed to ductating
• 37:07
  Speaker 14: the child and he said he did it because he
• 37:09
  Speaker 14: wanted to have sexual encounters with other people that he
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: had met online and wanted to keep her quiet. He
• 37:16
  Speaker 14: stated the child belonged to a friend he has known
• 37:18
  Speaker 14: for a short time, and he later identified the mother.
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: The suspect was babysitting child while worked, but admitted to
• 37:28
  Speaker 14: leaving the child for several hours in the apartment while
• 37:31
  Speaker 14: he was also at work, leaving the child alone.
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: So he was babysitting much as in this case, and
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: would duct take the baby so he could go have
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: sex with other people. Okay, and he actually gave that statement.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm very confused. Let me go back to Jalaysia. Krome
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: joining us from prevent child abuse America. You know, isn't
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: it the most bizarre thing when child abusers give their
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: reasoning and it's completely incriminating, but they think it explains
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: it all away.
• 38:12
  Speaker 10: And Grace like you, like you all have said, they're
• 38:15
  Speaker 10: just unfortunately, there's no excuse and they're not going to
• 38:20
  Speaker 10: be anything that one can say to make it right
• 38:24
  Speaker 10: or make the circumstances any lesson just it's so sad.
• 38:28
  Speaker 10: I mean, it's really sad. And and like I said,
• 38:31
  Speaker 10: you know, it's unfortunate that we can't have some sort
• 38:34
  Speaker 10: of mer looking glass beard to see what's gonna come,
• 38:37
  Speaker 10: what's gonna happen. We don't know, we don't know why
• 38:40
  Speaker 10: these things are happening. There's no science to explain exactly why.
• 38:44
  Speaker 10: But at the end of the day, yeah, trying to
• 38:46
  Speaker 10: come up with reasons after the fact. No, let's get
• 38:49
  Speaker 10: ahead of it. It's prevent it. But I fully agree,
• 38:52
  Speaker 10: and I hear what you all are saying, and no
• 38:54
  Speaker 10: hearing these stories or hearing people try to defend it
• 38:59
  Speaker 10: and defend.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: The Yeah, I think that's what they're doing. They're trying
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: to rationalize it. Once everybody says, hey, this is horrible,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: you did a bad thing. Then they start talking. Jason
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Jensen joining me private investigator. You can find him at
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Jensenprivate Investigations dot com.
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  Speaker 15: Weigh in, Jason, you know, and you know as well
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  Speaker 15: as anyone here on this panel, there is no substitute
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  Speaker 15: for a mother's love and for the surrogates to be
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  Speaker 15: doing what they've done.
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  Speaker 12: It really strikes a vision with me. How you can
• 39:34
  Speaker 12: look out drag on the street and you see a
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  Speaker 12: straight dog. Straight dogs are foraging for food. They knock
• 39:41
  Speaker 12: down trash cans and things of that nature. That's what
• 39:44
  Speaker 12: they're mad about this little girl doing, because they deny
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  Speaker 12: her food and then she goes ventures off try to
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  Speaker 12: feed herself and she gets punished for it. That's just wrong.
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  Speaker 12: There's no compassion.
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  Speaker 2: Another bizarre fact, Jason, is how often neighbors and employees
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: find the children in these horrible circumstances that the abuser,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I guess, thinks it's okay and they don't care if
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: people find out. Take a listen to this story out
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  Speaker 2: of Houston, Our Cut twenty four.
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  Speaker 6: A maintenance worker at a Houston apartment complex, tasked with
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  Speaker 6: checking out a leaky air conditioner on an apartment, finds
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  Speaker 6: a boy with duct tape over his eyes and around
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  Speaker 6: his hands. The worker calls the apartment manager, who then
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: calls police. Officers arrive to check out the story of
• 40:31
  Speaker 6: the six year old with duct tape and find a
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: one year old girl suffering from burns to her hands
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  Speaker 6: as well. Interviewing the four women who live in the
• 40:38
  Speaker 6: home with the children, police find out that, as Stephanie
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  Speaker 6: Garcia and Emily Zeniga say, they duct tape the boy's
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  Speaker 6: hands because he had been fighting at school and they
• 40:47
  Speaker 6: were trying to control the.
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  Speaker 2: Boy, coming up with lies and stories rationalizing what they
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: have been doing. I've got a whole file of adults
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  Speaker 2: using duct tape on shouldern. But I want to go
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: back to Nicole Parton, who who is really an angel
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: on Arth. She's not just crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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  Speaker 2: She has ten children, many of whom she has fostered
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  Speaker 2: and adopted. And we were talking Nicole about how very
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  Speaker 2: often you'll see abusive parents single out one child and
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  Speaker 2: end up like killing the child while the others seem
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  Speaker 2: to be fine.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, and this hits home for me my now adopted daughter.
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  Speaker 4: She's ten now, but at the age of three, her
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  Speaker 4: birth mother had targeted her. She had other siblings who
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: were well cared for, but for whatever reason, the mother
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  Speaker 4: targeted my daughter. She abused her, she neglected her, wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: feed her, and finally just abandoned her. Dropped her off
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  Speaker 4: at the Miami Airport. She was three years old, just
• 41:46
  Speaker 4: left her there. My daughter still remembers being treated horribly,
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: being left, having food withheld from her. She had scars
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  Speaker 4: on her arms where she was burned and taped. She too,
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: was taped to keep her from fire food. But fortunately
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  Speaker 4: today she's loved and she's cared for, and she's mine.
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  Speaker 2: This little girl, we believe weighed seventeen to nineteen pounds
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  Speaker 2: at age two. Nicole. What's next in this case?
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  Speaker 10: We wait.
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  Speaker 4: They're being held on this half million dollar bond between
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: the three of them. These charges are against them, and
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: hopefully justice will be served. They can blame each other,
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: but at the end of the day, they're all responsible.
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  Speaker 4: They all knew what was happening in that home.
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  Speaker 2: Kenry Fluckers, Deshae Perkins, and Miam McGruder rot in hell
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: after a nice long stint behind bars. I imagine you
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: out on the yard looking up at the barbed wire
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  Speaker 2: and I hope you remember why you're there, Goodness,