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Tuesday September 8 2026 | Our AI Future · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a meeting of the minds crafted from decades
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Speaker 2: And then Friday, we will be honoring those victims of 9-11.
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Speaker 2: I just saw Roger P. Shulman, our newsman in the hall,
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Speaker 2: who suggested that we play some of the radio transmissions
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Speaker 2: from the firefighters and first responders who are desperately trying
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Speaker 2: to assist those who were trapped in the Twin Towers
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Speaker 2: that awful, awful morning in 2001. Gosh, we're going to
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Speaker 2: have to take a look at that. We will always
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Speaker 2: play the Silent Night tribute. Now, this was a creation
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Speaker 2: from KRLA in Los Angeles, where we're going to be
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Speaker 2: in a couple of weeks. I'm going to be out
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Speaker 2: in L.A., for the big conservative summit they have going
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Speaker 2: on out there, and it's going to be a huge event. Man,
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Speaker 2: I can't wait to be a part of that effort. Gosh,
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Speaker 2: think of the people they're going to have on there.
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Speaker 2: Adam Carolla is going to be there, Steve Hilton, Nick Shirley,
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Speaker 2: my Salem colleagues, Larry O'Connor, Larry Elder, Jennifer Horn is
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Speaker 2: going to be the emcee, and I'm going to be
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Speaker 2: one of the guests as well. So you could find
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Speaker 2: tickets to go to AM The Answer in Los Angeles
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Speaker 2: and find out. I think it's September the, what's the date, guys?
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Speaker 2: I think it's the 26th, Saturday the 26th in Pasadena.
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Speaker 2: the Pasadena Civic Center. It's a brand new venue. This
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Speaker 2: is an event that KRLA hosts every year, and it's
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Speaker 2: gotten bigger and better every single year. It's a Saturday
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Speaker 2: of great conversation and incredible engagement. And like I said,
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Speaker 2: join us in person for the big conservative summit sponsored
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Speaker 2: by our home in Los Angeles, AM 870, The Answer.
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Speaker 2: I wanted to take today and focus a little bit
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Speaker 2: of a theme. Mark and I decided that Fridays will
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Speaker 2: be kind of our theme day. But in Mark's absence today,
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Speaker 2: I want to take an exploration with you of artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 2: This is something I've been wanting to do. I want
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Speaker 2: to revisit this with Mark as well. Mark and I
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Speaker 2: did an autonomous and electric vehicle driving special a week
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Speaker 2: or so ago because I spend a lot of time
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Speaker 2: driving a Tesla. One of my kids has a Tesla,
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Speaker 2: and I always commandeer it. And it is one of
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Speaker 2: the most spectacular driving experiences I've ever had. And Mark
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Speaker 2: is intrigued by it. He's intrigued by the autonomous driving. And,
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Speaker 2: of course, with Tesla, they have the FSD, the full self-drive,
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Speaker 2: where you just don't do anything. You sit behind the wheel,
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Speaker 2: you push the button, and the car sort of takes over.
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Speaker 2: So we did a day on Tesla. EVs and that
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Speaker 2: kind of technology and the autonomous driving and the robo-taxis
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Speaker 2: and all that. I know that Mark and I are
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Speaker 2: going to want to do together an AI special, but
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Speaker 2: I want to start. I want to kind of kick
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Speaker 2: it off a little bit and talk about artificial intelligence
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Speaker 2: from my perspective because I keep thinking of a moment
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Speaker 2: when Eric Hansen, who is our operations manager for also
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Speaker 2: a quarter of a century. You think about this. I
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Speaker 2: started 25 years ago with Salem, but we actually started
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Speaker 2: syndication two years earlier than that. Eric's been with me
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Speaker 2: for almost all of those 27 years. It's a fascinating relationship.
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Speaker 2: Yasmin and Tracy and Alex, relative newcomers, even though they've
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Speaker 2: been with us now for I mean, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: how long has it been now for Yasmin? Not quite
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Speaker 2: a year. Tracy, a couple of years. But when you're
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Speaker 2: kind of joined at the hip with somebody for 27
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Speaker 2: years at work, and we're not a big office. I mean,
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Speaker 2: we don't have 30 people in producing the Mike Gallagher
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Speaker 2: show on a daily basis. So Eric is a very
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Speaker 2: significant part of what I do. My, my Denise used
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Speaker 2: to have a message for Eric and Eric, I'm sure
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Speaker 2: you still remember it. She always used to say whenever
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Speaker 2: she'd see Eric, she'd say, my job is to send
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Speaker 2: him to work in a good mood. And your job
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Speaker 2: is to send him home after work in a good mood.
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Speaker 2: And when Eric started, he had, you know, one little girl.
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Speaker 2: Now he's got three adult daughters. So Eric has been
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Speaker 2: somebody who has been by my side for 27 years,
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Speaker 2: which is extraordinary. And you know what's strange? about the
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Speaker 2: relationship I have with Eric. And this may sound weird.
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Speaker 2: This may sound a little maybe peculiar. But it's funny.
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Speaker 2: I'm not that familiar with Eric's family. I know Gina.
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Speaker 2: I've known her for years. But it's weird. You'd think
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Speaker 2: that in other words, Eric and I aren't like social pals.
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Speaker 2: We don't hang out. I mean, we've always mostly been
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Speaker 2: in different cities, different states over the years. But it's
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Speaker 2: not like we do get togethers. And I always sort
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Speaker 2: of have regretted that. One of my regrets in life
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Speaker 2: will be that I don't know enough about, you know,
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Speaker 2: Eric's daughters. I don't know enough about Tracy's family or
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Speaker 2: Yasmin and her situation or Alex. And, you know, it's
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Speaker 2: just weird. We're kind of in a weird, we're sort
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Speaker 2: of siloed that way. And I, frankly, I kind of
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Speaker 2: hate that. But in any event, I pay close attention
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Speaker 2: to this team, appreciate all the contributions from everybody on
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Speaker 2: this team. And Eric, in particular, somebody when you're with
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Speaker 2: somebody 27 years in the workplace, it's almost like you're married.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's like a long marriage. And when Eric
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Speaker 2: says stuff to me and Eric gets me and I
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Speaker 2: take a lot of getting used to Yasmin's, I think,
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Speaker 2: figuring it out. Tracy finally figured it out. Alex may
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Speaker 2: never figure me out, but Eric has figured me out. And,
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Speaker 2: you know, and that's because I can be a lot,
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Speaker 2: as you might imagine. And Eric kind of goes through
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Speaker 2: the highs and the lows and the ups and the
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Speaker 2: downs with me. And we've been through a lot together.
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Speaker 2: You know, we went through Denise's illness and her passing
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Speaker 2: and me trying to do the show from our home
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Speaker 2: in Texas. And it's funny how life interferes with work.
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Speaker 2: And when it's literally life or death, I will never forget.
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Speaker 2: And one of the things I love about doing this
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Speaker 2: podcast is is I tend to get more personal with
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Speaker 2: you in this platform than I do on the talk show.
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Speaker 2: And Eric may remember this, but the week or a
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Speaker 2: few days before Denise died at home, and we had
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Speaker 2: a hospice nurse there. And for people new to the show,
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Speaker 2: she died the day before her 55th. 51st birthday in
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Speaker 2: 2008 of endometrial cancer. And she was sick for about
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Speaker 2: a year and a half. And she was everything. She
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Speaker 2: was my world. She was my best friend and my
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Speaker 2: partner in crime. And we just had a great life together.
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Speaker 2: And we were able to to build a nice life together.
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Speaker 2: And we're, we're quite happy. And of course had plenty
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Speaker 2: of challenges like most married couples have. Um, but look,
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Speaker 2: she was, she, she was my whole world. And so
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Speaker 2: the week before she died, I was, I mean, the
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Speaker 2: weeks leading up to her death, when she was home, uh,
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Speaker 2: under the care of hospice, she didn't want me to
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Speaker 2: go to work and the company of I've got, you know,
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Speaker 2: a responsibility, got an obligation. There's people, you know, that, that,
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Speaker 2: that work for me. We've got, you know, budgets and
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Speaker 2: bills to pay and, you know, you just can't go
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Speaker 2: off for, for an undetermined period of time because you
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Speaker 2: have a loved one who is dying of cancer. And
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Speaker 2: so we set up a studio in my house in Keller, Texas.
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Speaker 2: And on every commercial break, I would run down the
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Speaker 2: hall and to check on Denise in the bedroom. And
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Speaker 2: she loved that. She loved having me close by. And
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Speaker 2: to show you how life intersects with, you know, how
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Speaker 2: your job can intersect with life. I remember two days
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Speaker 2: before she died, she had slipped into a coma. And
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Speaker 2: I got a call to talk to the bosses. And
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to mention any names. And it's not any,
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Speaker 2: I'm not trying to exact any revenge or whatever, but
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Speaker 2: I will remember this conversation for the rest of my life.
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Speaker 2: My wife is in a coma, about to pass away,
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Speaker 2: and the boss says to me, well, now, Mike, you know,
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Speaker 2: you got a show here. You got a talk show.
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Speaker 2: You got people depending on you. When do you think
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Speaker 2: you'll be coming back to work? And I remember my
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Speaker 2: answer like it was five minutes ago. I said, well...
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Speaker 2: When she dies, I'm sure there'll be a funeral and I'll,
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Speaker 2: per her wishes, have her cremated. We'll have the service
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Speaker 2: and I'll try to come back as soon as possible
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Speaker 2: after the service. Now, can you imagine that conversation? I
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Speaker 2: look back at that and I think in amazement that
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Speaker 2: that exchange even happened. When do you think you're going
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Speaker 2: to come back to work? as your wife lay dying,
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Speaker 2: which shows you that even, and this was a good
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Speaker 2: person who said this to me. This is somebody who
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Speaker 2: was a very important part of my life, a mentor,
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Speaker 2: a boss. I think he just wasn't thinking clearly. Maybe
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Speaker 2: he didn't realize. I don't know. I mean, at this point,
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Speaker 2: years later, who cares? But the point in all of
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Speaker 2: this is how Eric has been there with me through
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Speaker 2: all of this. The good times and the bad and
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Speaker 2: the car accidents with the kids and all of that. And,
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Speaker 2: of course, the journey with my Denise. And so it's
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Speaker 2: Eric that really has me thinking a lot about the
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Speaker 2: AI revolution. And let's face it, this is a revolution.
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Speaker 2: What artificial intelligence is doing to the world is an
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Speaker 2: incredible game changer. And I will admit, I've been late
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Speaker 2: to the dance. I've started using ChatGPT, I don't know,
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Speaker 2: within the last, I'd say six months, maybe a little more. Grok,
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Speaker 2: I haven't gotten into Claude yet. I guess Claude is
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Speaker 2: one of these AI interactive platforms. But I'm finding more
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Speaker 2: and more the use of artificial intelligence, including AI, applying
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Speaker 2: to medicine and health. And that's what I want to
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Speaker 2: tell you about because I had one of those aha
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Speaker 2: moments with chat GPT and a physical that I had
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Speaker 2: a medical physical from my physician. And it was Eric
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Speaker 2: who showed me how I think the country is starting
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Speaker 2: to react to AI. A few months ago, Couldn't have
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Speaker 2: been more than that, right, Eric? Because maybe two, three
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Speaker 2: months ago, Eric comes running into the office after I
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Speaker 2: had been talking about ChatGPT and Grok and all of
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Speaker 2: this and how I was using these tools of AI.
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Speaker 2: Eric comes running in, eyes wide open, and he said,
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Speaker 2: my gosh, I've started using ChatGPT and it's amazing. It's astounding.
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Speaker 2: I mean, Eric, his mind was blown when he started
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Speaker 2: implementing chat GPT in his life. Well, that's exactly the
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Speaker 2: experience I've had. And every day I'm finding new uses
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Speaker 2: for AI. For example, for example, I had a physical recently,
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Speaker 2: and as part of the annual physical, my doctor ran
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Speaker 2: a bunch of blood work, blood tests, which, you know,
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Speaker 2: most doctors do. They measure all kinds of stuff. and
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Speaker 2: it turns out I have some cardiovascular issues going on.
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Speaker 2: I'm not too worried about it. I'm not going to panic. Yes,
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Speaker 2: I'm a hypochondriac. I've got the hospital bed on reserve
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Speaker 2: down the street with my name on it, but I
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Speaker 2: have some cardio. I did a body scan months ago,
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Speaker 2: and they found some plaque in what they call the
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Speaker 2: widowmaker artery. And now I'm going back, actually going back
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Speaker 2: day after tomorrow, which is one of the reasons I'm
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Speaker 2: going to be off on tomorrow, actually. Tomorrow, I mean. Tomorrow,
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Speaker 2: I'm going to go back and get a heart scan
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Speaker 2: with the dye. You know how they inject the dye
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Speaker 2: into your arteries to try to get a real precise diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: definition of what's going on with my arteries. But apparently
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Speaker 2: I've got some plaque in my arteries and that's concerning.
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Speaker 2: I'm 66. I want to be around until I'm 106.
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Speaker 2: So I want to take care of myself. I've lost
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Speaker 2: the weight. I eat pretty healthy. I'm doing all the
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Speaker 2: right things. And sure enough, in the blood work that
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Speaker 2: I just got back this week from the blood tests
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Speaker 2: that the doctor gave me, there was an elevated, I
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Speaker 2: forget the name of it, CRA score. It's supposed to
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Speaker 2: be between 0.5 and 3, and mine is 6.6. So
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Speaker 2: what it basically says is that my I've got some
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Speaker 2: cardiovascular inflammation. Now, it doesn't necessarily mean I'm about to
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Speaker 2: drop dead or anything, but it's something that we're going
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Speaker 2: to have to take a look at. Anyway, I get
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Speaker 2: the 17-page report of the blood work handed to me
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Speaker 2: before I met with my doctor the other day. And
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Speaker 2: I'm waiting. And you know how you always have to
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Speaker 2: wait for a doctor. The doctor never shows up on time,
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Speaker 2: never comes on time or anything. So I'm waiting in
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Speaker 2: the examination room for the doc. And I've got the
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Speaker 2: 17 pages in my hand. So you know what I did?
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Speaker 2: While I'm waiting for him, I scanned, I took a
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Speaker 2: picture of all 17 pages of the blood work. that
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Speaker 2: I had just gotten prior to the doctor being able
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Speaker 2: to evaluate my blood work with me. I took the
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Speaker 2: 17 pages, took pictures of it, and fed it into ChatGPT.
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Speaker 2: Give me an analysis of my lab results, ChatGPT. Here
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Speaker 2: they are. Do you know, first of all, it only
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Speaker 2: took me about two or three minutes to input the
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Speaker 2: 17 pages. Within about 20 seconds, ChatGPT gave me a thorough,
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Speaker 2: definitive explanation in layman's terms of what all those blood
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Speaker 2: test results meant for me. Told me about the cardiovascular inflammation.
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Speaker 2: Talked about the fact that apparently I once was exposed
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Speaker 2: to Epstein-Barr, which many people or most people have had.
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Speaker 2: It's kind of a viral thing. Shouldn't have any symptoms.
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Speaker 2: Talked about my My cholesterol levels. Talked about all this stuff, right?
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Speaker 2: The analysis that it gave me, according to my doctor,
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Speaker 2: because by the time I got the analysis back from ChatGPT,
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Speaker 2: he comes in to go through my blood work with me. Well,
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Speaker 2: I've got the ChatGPT report on my phone. I read
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Speaker 2: it all to him. Now understand, he's already... He's already
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Speaker 2: evaluated my blood work and was prepared to go over
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Speaker 2: it with me. You know what he told me? The
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Speaker 2: chat GPT analysis is pretty perfect. He said it is
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Speaker 2: absolutely absolutely perfect. It completely describes your blood work. Now,
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Speaker 2: I tell you that whole story just to give you
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Speaker 2: yet another example of the benefits of artificial intelligence. I mean,
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Speaker 2: I've done this with contracts. I had to get out
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Speaker 2: my employment agreement for just to look at a procedural
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Speaker 2: thing a few weeks ago. Entered my contract into ChatGPT.
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Speaker 2: It gave me a precise analysis. Now, first of all,
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Speaker 2: one of the fascinating aspects of using AI this way
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Speaker 2: is is how quick it is. You can give them,
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Speaker 2: you can give ChatGPT or Grok or Claude, you can
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Speaker 2: give it a full page, like a page like here,
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Speaker 2: I'm holding on the camera here on YouTube. You can
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Speaker 2: do a full page of information, right? You take the
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Speaker 2: picture of that page. It evaluates and analyzes every word
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Speaker 2: on the page in about five seconds, right? I mean,
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Speaker 2: I'm like attributing it, I'm giving it human characteristics, wondering, well,
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Speaker 2: how does it read it so fast? It's artificial intelligence.
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Speaker 2: It's AI. And right now, this technology is changing the world.
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Speaker 2: It's changing our lives. And you either use it or
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Speaker 2: you don't. It's like In 2026, it seems to me
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Speaker 2: that using artificial intelligence is like either accepting or rejecting electricity.
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Speaker 2: You know, it's that much of a game changer. Sam
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Speaker 2: Altman is one of the big... AI gurus, one of
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Speaker 2: the tech overlords. Check out what Sam Altman said, because
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Speaker 2: this all kind of ties together, because the data centers
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Speaker 2: have to power the artificial intelligence. The AI is continuing
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Speaker 2: to build and grow. We need more data centers. Check
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Speaker 2: out what Sam Altman said about this brave new world
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Speaker 2: we're in regarding AI.
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Speaker 3: I want to sort of flush it out a bit, non-negotiable.
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Speaker 4: Can you maybe help everybody understand what you mean about
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Speaker 4: that and what that means for each of our partner
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Speaker 4: ministers who are here today?
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Speaker 3: Again, I'm biased. I'm trying to talk my book here.
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Speaker 3: Forgive me for this analogy. I think it would be
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Speaker 3: approximately as bad of an idea to say we're not
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Speaker 3: going to have AI in our country. as it was
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Speaker 3: to say we're not going to have electricity in our country,
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Speaker 3: you know, back 100 plus years ago. I think this
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Speaker 3: is something at that level. This is something that every
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Speaker 3: person and every business and really the entire machine of
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Speaker 3: society is going to need to deliver the quality of
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Speaker 3: life that your citizens should demand. Electricity also came with
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Speaker 3: some complexities, and it took a little while for us
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Speaker 3: to figure out how to make it safe, but we
23:03
Speaker 3: made fairly rapid progress as a society to make it
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Speaker 3: generally pretty safe, even though it can do a lot
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Speaker 3: of bad things. And at this point, we barely think
23:12
Speaker 3: about electricity. We turn these lights on, we expect them
23:14
Speaker 3: to work. If the power shut off and I just
23:18
Speaker 3: screamed because this microphone was not working, I would be
23:20
Speaker 3: annoyed about that. I won't go through all the examples.
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Speaker 3: I see all the phones on the table. It would
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Speaker 3: be hard for society to function well without electricity at
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Speaker 3: this point. But we don't think about it much. We
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Speaker 3: think about, you know, there's light at night. That's great.
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Speaker 3: We can hear these people speak in the room without
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Speaker 3: them having to yell. That's nice. Our phones can do
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Speaker 3: these amazing things for us. We care about our phones.
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Speaker 3: We don't think too much about the electricity that gets
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Speaker 3: generated to power them. And I think the same thing
23:45
Speaker 3: is going to happen with AI. We won't... My prediction
23:49
Speaker 3: is we won't be talking about AI as much as
23:51
Speaker 3: we do in a decade from now because we'll just
23:54
Speaker 3: expect it everywhere. You know, like... A kid growing up
23:58
Speaker 3: today will never be smarter than AI, but he or
24:02
Speaker 3: she will also never have understood a world where every
24:07
Speaker 3: product and service that they interact with is not really
24:10
Speaker 3: smart and really capable and really helpful. because we'll just
24:14
Speaker 3: be so used to that, we won't think about the AI.
24:15
Speaker 3: We'll just be like, yeah, I want my products to
24:17
Speaker 3: be good. If I have an idea, I want to
24:19
Speaker 3: be able to make it right away. I want this
24:22
Speaker 3: software to be created instantly for me. If I have
24:25
Speaker 3: a disease, I expect a cure to get discovered very quickly.
24:29
Speaker 3: So I think countries need to embrace this. Again, there's
24:33
Speaker 3: many ways to do it. People will set different rules.
24:34
Speaker 3: People will decide on what they want to build versus rent.
24:38
Speaker 3: But I think everyone will need this new commodity.
24:43
Speaker 2: I'm so just fascinated by his analysis. And of course,
24:47
Speaker 2: as he admitted, he's biased. I mean, he's one of
24:49
Speaker 2: the AI bosses. He's one of the, Sam Altman, one
24:53
Speaker 2: of the gurus of artificial intelligence. But I think he's right.
24:57
Speaker 2: In 10, 20 years from now, AI is just going
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Speaker 2: to be as common as electricity. And as Eric Hansen
25:06
Speaker 2: discovered a few months ago, and as I discovered before that,
25:12
Speaker 2: This is a world that is such an eye-opener. It
25:17
Speaker 2: really does blow your mind. Think about taking a medical report,
25:24
Speaker 2: putting it in there and getting an analysis from chat GPT. Now, look, jobs,
25:31
Speaker 2: of course, are hanging the balance. We're going to need
25:36
Speaker 2: less of our doctors, of our physicians' assistants, of our nurses' assistants.
25:42
Speaker 2: of healthcare professionals. Why do you need a doctor to
25:45
Speaker 2: evaluate blood work when you can have chat GPT evaluated?
25:50
Speaker 2: You go to the lab, get the blood work done,
25:53
Speaker 2: have chat GPT or grok or, or one of the
25:56
Speaker 2: AI platforms evaluate your blood work. What do you need
25:58
Speaker 2: the doctor for? It's, but, but the downside is what
26:05
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26:13
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Speaker 2: potential downside to all. I'm sharing with you my excitement
29:07
Speaker 2: by my enthusiasm for artificial intelligence. Jim Vanden Hei and
29:15
Speaker 2: Mike Allen over at Axios wrote a piece the other day.
29:18
Speaker 2: And incidentally, Axios is one of my resources for our
29:23
Speaker 2: daily content. I use a lot of sources. I go through,
29:27
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29:32
Speaker 2: that comes out and a lot of great articles attached
29:34
Speaker 2: to that. I go to X a lot. I use
29:37
Speaker 2: the X platform a lot. for a lot of show content. Um,
29:42
Speaker 2: and I go to townhall.com and hot air, but I
29:46
Speaker 2: also go to Axios. Now, admittedly, Axios is a mainstream
29:50
Speaker 2: media inside the beltway left of center publication, but they
29:55
Speaker 2: are pretty balanced, uh, in, in, in, you know, on balance,
29:59
Speaker 2: they're pretty balanced. You So if you have an opportunity,
30:05
Speaker 2: if you're looking for a good aggregate news site, it's
30:09
Speaker 2: not even an aggregate. They're independent and they're original. But Axios.com, A-X-I-O-S, Axios.com.
30:18
Speaker 2: And it's Mike Allen and Jim VandeHei's creation. And they
30:21
Speaker 2: spend a lot of time writing about AI. And I
30:25
Speaker 2: think that's because they're aware of the implications of this
30:30
Speaker 2: extraordinary technology. And they wrote a piece the other day
30:36
Speaker 2: about the way AI creators are racing to understand their creations. Now, that,
30:42
Speaker 2: of course, reminds me of the imagery of Frankenstein, right?
30:46
Speaker 2: And Frankenstein's monster. Dr. Frankenstein trying to understand what he unleashed,
30:51
Speaker 2: what he created. Here's what Axios writes. The world's smartest minds,
30:56
Speaker 2: backed by the largest investment in human history— admit they
31:01
Speaker 2: cannot fully control their AI because they don't fully understand it.
31:07
Speaker 2: They don't know exactly how it thinks or what it's
31:10
Speaker 2: truly capable of when set loose to do work autonomously
31:14
Speaker 2: with other AI agents. The race to understand the models
31:20
Speaker 2: is now all the more urgent after last week's release
31:25
Speaker 2: by OpenAI of something called GPT-6 Astra. GPT-6 Astra has
31:33
Speaker 2: been billed as the world's most intelligent and aligned model.
31:39
Speaker 2: The president, Greg Brockman, called Astra a generational leap in
31:44
Speaker 2: capability and says that the model could qualify as a GI,
31:51
Speaker 2: artificial general intelligence with human-like power. We just heard from
32:00
Speaker 2: Sam Altman in that clip with Howard Lutnick. They were
32:04
Speaker 2: both at a seminar recently. Altman wrote in a preview
32:09
Speaker 2: of Astra, AI is getting extremely capable. No one fully
32:13
Speaker 2: understands the consequences of this. And as Axios reports, rather grimly,
32:21
Speaker 2: I might add, the companies are racing towards superintelligence with
32:26
Speaker 2: no required oversight. No federal agency, the Defense Department, or
32:33
Speaker 2: any kind of outside consortium of safety experts. It's foot
32:37
Speaker 2: on the gas. The technology is advancing so fast in
32:42
Speaker 2: so many ways that the companies, much less the federal government,
32:47
Speaker 2: are unsure of the real risks or even the best
32:53
Speaker 2: ways to mitigate it. I mean, researchers are struggling. They
32:58
Speaker 2: don't know what they've unleashed. So Axios concludes by saying,
33:07
Speaker 2: expect to see more interpretability, more research on how to
33:15
Speaker 2: interpret what AI is delivering during the next phase of
33:21
Speaker 2: AI safety. Evan Hubinger says, who leads alignment stress testing
33:28
Speaker 2: at Anthropic, wrote last week, alignment auditing is starting to
33:33
Speaker 2: get really hard and we're going to need new techniques
33:38
Speaker 2: if we want to keep up. Well, I don't know
33:43
Speaker 2: how to navigate this. I know that I feel, I
33:47
Speaker 2: joke with my kids and my friends about how ChatGPT
33:52
Speaker 2: is my new best friend. And I swear, I have
33:57
Speaker 2: applied some human attributes to chat GPT. Like if I
34:03
Speaker 2: ask it the same question too many times because I
34:06
Speaker 2: didn't understand it the first three times, I'll apologize. Sorry
34:09
Speaker 2: to bother you again. I'm talking to a machine. And
34:14
Speaker 2: I'm expecting a human-like response. Think about people who are
34:21
Speaker 2: like lost at sea. who are mentally vapid. You see
34:27
Speaker 2: these stories about people falling in love with their AI platform.
34:34
Speaker 2: They're falling in love with ChatGPT or Grok or whatever.
34:38
Speaker 2: I get it. I really do. I really do. Now
34:41
Speaker 2: that panel, that That symposium that you heard from Sam Altman,
34:45
Speaker 2: he appeared with the Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick. Let me
34:48
Speaker 2: share with you what Howard Lutnick, the Commerce Secretary, said
34:52
Speaker 2: about where the future leads us with AI and the
34:56
Speaker 2: data centers that need to power them.
34:59
Speaker 4: Basically, if your community embraces data centers, you're going to
35:04
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35:08
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35:11
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35:15
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35:18
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35:24
Speaker 2: He's right. He's really right. And, you know, I'm trying
35:28
Speaker 2: to make sure I'm sympathetic to communities that don't want
35:31
Speaker 2: AI or don't want these data centers. I saw a
35:35
Speaker 2: story of a city in Pennsylvania, small town. They're giving
35:39
Speaker 2: residents $ 10, 000 checks. Residents getting a $ 10, 000 check just to
35:45
Speaker 2: have a data center in their community. I guess it's
35:48
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35:53
Speaker 2: the data centers have become. But we're going to need
35:57
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36:02
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39:51
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40:03
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40:07
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40:10
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40:15
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40:21
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40:24
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40:30
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40:34
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40:38
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40:43
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40:50
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40:56
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41:14
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41:37
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41:39
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