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Episode 13: Slaanesh, the God of Excess · The Bad Moon's Orbit

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  Welcome back, everybody, to another episode of The Bad
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  Moon's Orbit. I am, as always, your keeper of
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  secrets at Dalton Montgomery. And I'm Darren Smart, I'm sure
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  Warhammer is just what happens when you go too hard with the
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  boys at the pub. Lovely.
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  Speaking of going too hard with the boys today, as we talked
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  about last episode, we are talking about Slanesh, the God
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  of excess, currently chained up between the realms of Olgu and
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  Hish. Yep.
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  I wonder how that's going. Yep.
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  The first of the Chaos Gods to arrive in the moral realms on
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  technicality. On the tech.
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  Yes, remains chained and old gish as we start to leave the
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  Age of Myth and head to the Age of Chaos.
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  The chains hold despite Marathi's warnings that they
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  aren't going to hold forever. Wild.
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  Before we get into that, Dalton, do you have any fun gaming
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  stuff? Oh, fun gaming stuff.
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  I didn't think of 1 before we started.
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  I actually, no, I'm going to mention a video game I've been
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  playing. I saw this game just on a whim
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  when it was they put a demo out like a year ago.
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  It is called Cataclysmo. And I don't know if it's a
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  Spanish developer or if they're just using kind of like a
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  Spanish aesthetic, but it's kind of a fantasy post apocalypse
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  with like Spanish influences game.
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  And it is a Lego inspired like castle builder defense game.
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  Oh. That's very cool.
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  Right. Just the world has ended and you
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  are like part of an expedition to try and figure out what went
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  wrong and try and fix it. And you are looking for perilous
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  just pearls contains some power. And you, you have your little
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  citadels and you have like stone blocks and you stack them up to
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  make walls and turrets and parapets and you put your little
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  Archer dudes on them and defend and try and seek out the truth
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  and what's happening. It released an early access this
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  week. I have been playing it to death.
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  Highly recommend. If you like a it's kind of a mix
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  of chill and like strategic because you have all the time in
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  the world to build up your little castle.
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  Then you just have to hope it's good enough.
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  That's awesome. It's very fun.
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  Nice. I want to talk about the
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  Adventure Zone graphic novel number six that came out not the
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  week of this recording, but the week before.
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  I just only got mine this week because I ordered it from
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  Books-a-million and it took a while to.
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  Get it happens. Fine cuz then I got my poster.
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  I just framed it on my wall with all the rest.
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  It's it counts cuz it's the graphic novel adaptation of an
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  actual play podcast about D&D is also very good.
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  And I won't talk about too much because if I talk about it at
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  all, I'll talk about it just forever.
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  It's very good and just an excellent.
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  I already love this story. It's my favorite.
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  It's the thing that maybe be like, oh, this is like an Ave.,
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  not just for like playing a game, but for like telling
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  stories with my friends and collaborating in this function.
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  But also I think the graphic novels are maybe one of the best
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  adaptations of anything I've ever encountered.
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  And that could be because the folks who actually made the
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  original thing have full creative control with their
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  artistic partner in making this thing now.
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  And perhaps that does lend a little bit into the adaptation,
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  even in its differences, still holding true to the themes and
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  intent and heart of the original.
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  But it kicks ass. And, like, for real, I I just
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  recommend the graphic novels. Yeah, Like, I actually play.
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  Podcasts aren't your jam. Like, which for sure, they're
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  not for everyone. Yeah.
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  The graphic novel is incredibly successful in relaying this
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  tale, in some ways better than the podcast did.
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  Yes, it's a good story told well.
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  The graphic novels have an opportunity to tell it without
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  some of the I love the fluff. I love the like distraction and
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  the joke tell. I get stuff in the graphic
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  novels, get to cut around some of that to make it like a more
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  cohesive story. Yeah.
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  Or interpret the jokes in a way where they're still like funny,
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  but it makes more sense for this character to have said that.
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  Or like the characters are the fully realized versions of
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  themselves, maybe not having complete their character arc,
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  but still the version of their character that gets the arc is
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  the character we. Get we know where they.
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  Go page one rather than arc 4, yes.
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  If you heard us mention the McElroy brothers twice last
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  episode and you're like, who's that?
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  Now you know, and also be really wild if you listen to a podcast
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  and. Did correct like not.
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  Saying you'd be wrong, but also statistically it's highly
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  unlikely for. Sure, I think if you open a like
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  podcasting device anywhere on earth, one of the Mcelroy's
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  manifests in your house. Yes, they.
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  Have they have a podcast dynasty?
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  Yes, for sure, but. Yeah, if you like graphic novels
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  and cool like fantasy sci-fi adventure stories that have just
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  a lot of heart. Yeah, yeah, the Adventure Zones
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  comics just kick ass. But a suffering game takes it to
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  new heights. 100%. Dalton, have you read it yet?
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  I haven't read the graphic novel yet.
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  I need to do you. Want to borrow white?
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  I might. I also haven't read like a
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  couple I think I'm a little bit behind on.
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  That you can borrow all mine. I might.
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  Maybe not like right now. No, it also feel overwhelmed me
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  to hand you all six, but now I have to read all six.
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  But like, yeah. Speaking of Access, yeah,
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  speaking. Of access.
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  No. Also, I'm gonna take a moment
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  just at the top of the episode. We're still gonna try and keep a
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  fun atmosphere, but I feel a due diligence to much like last
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  episode, we gave a content warning about gross themes,
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  various like things that might be uncomfortable to some people.
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  Icky. Yeah.
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  We're going to be talking about Slimish.
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  Slash is the God of excess. Throughout most of Warhammer's
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  history, that has been interpreted as sexual excess.
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  Themes of sexuality are going to be prevalent throughout this
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  episode. Themes of sexuality as
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  interpreted through a antagonistic figure, which means
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  also I'm going to try and like touch around it, never directly
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  on it, but themes of like sexual violence might be a thing that
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  happens in our discussions in this episode and.
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  Full list of any concepts or things you can find in the show
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  notes will be catalogued so you can view over and then assess
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  where you're at and what content you are in the space to engage
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  with safely and make that decision for yourself and take
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  care of yourself first. Absolutely.
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  I do also want to call out because I'm probably going to be
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  ranting about it throughout the episode.
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  So Nash's portrayal as sexual access is a portrayal of sexual
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  access that was written by British men in the 80s, hey.
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  Let's not forget that. So there are going to be
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  elements and themes of crophobia in this episode, probably when
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  we're discussing that not as a thing that the character
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  Celinesh in a narrative is doing, but as a thing that this
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  villainous figure is being portrayed as because written by
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  British men in the 80s. Yeah.
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  So. So Yep.
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  Back to the fun. Yeah.
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  Last week. We destroyed the entire realm of
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  nature. The realm of life claimed by
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  Nergal, completely overrun by pestilence and disease.
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  Nergal's demons spreading like crazy.
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  Oh, a thing I forgot to mention during last episode that's going
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  to become more and more apparent.
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  As for what like Chaos's grand plan is with the realms, one of
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  the things that Nergal does once he has control of Guy Ran if he
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  starts pouring chaos magic into realm gates, yes.
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  So all realm gates are they're like tessers mega.
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  I can't remember what book that's from reference.
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  And I just said yeah, to agree with you.
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  And then I realized I actually don't know what that is, so that
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  I was waiting for you to say it. I.
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  Can't remember what the name of the book is called, but I
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  remember it was the thing that got me interested in interesting
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  ways to describe like a supernatural effect.
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  A tesser is if you're picturing a map, and to get from one place
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  on a map to another, you have to travel along that map.
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  A tesser is grabbing both points where you want to be and folding
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  the map. It's the string in Wrinkle in
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  Time. Wrinkle in Time is the book.
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  Tesser is what that's called. Yeah, it's the wrinkle, Yeah.
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  Yeah. It's the wrinkle, hey all that
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  makes me happy. That we got there yeah, we got
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  there I just. Remember the ants on the string
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  and then this two or versus what's at folding it and yeah.
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  I love the Wrinkle in Time, yeah.
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  Yeah, so weird. So weird and so good So.
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  Good Stargates. Yeah, yes.
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  Realm gates are connections between two places in space.
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  You can't change where they go to.
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  They're just where space is folded in on itself because of
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  the, like, weirdness of the realms.
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  Nergal pours pure chaos magic into one of the realm gates.
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  He gets his hands. On.
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  That's not ideal. We don't want that.
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  Correct. It's bad.
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  And what it does is it changes where that realm gate goes.
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  It severs its connection to where it was supposed to go
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  originally and links it directly to the realm of Chaos.
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  Chaos just pours out of this realm gate.
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  Demons can emerge directly into the world without a tear in it.
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  Wow. It's like if literally one
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  person answered the. Goddamn right, right.
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  It's bad. And what becomes immediately
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  apparent to everyone who finds out about it and who knows what
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  the stakes are, is that This is Chaos is playing for this world.
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  Chaos probably can't just, like, collapse this world like they
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  could the world that was because this one is made of magic.
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  It's a lot harder to just like, yeah, spread out.
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  Yeah. It seems like if Chaos can get
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  their hands on enough realm gates and they can corrupt
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  enough realm gates to lead to the Realm of Chaos, eventually
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  the Mortal Realms will just become a part of the Realm of
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  Chaos, effectively destroying. Them.
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  Yeah, you just expand the realm of chaos.
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  Yeah, OK. Yeah, cool man.
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  So bad what happened in Guy Ran, but it does make Sigmar and his
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  pantheon a little bit aware of like what the game is.
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  We keep calling him his Pantheon, right?
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  And I just, I'm going to, I mean, obviously Dalton, you keep
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  using that makes sense. I'm not tell you what to say.
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  I'm never going to call to them as the pantheon again because
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  they didn't do one goddamn pantheon thing.
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  It kind of. They all accepted an invitation
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  to the club and no one showed up to a single meeting.
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  It there should have been more planning, they should have like
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  they should have had a weekly meeting.
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  I don't know what they're going to do to find chaos that should.
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  Have had I think they should have had a retreat.
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  They should have been some trust building games at least.
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  Everyone sits around in the circle and plays Two truths and
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  a lie. So Nergal, Krupps, Guy ran,
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  we're coming off of that. That is actually like in the
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  process of happening when we are going to cut over to Hisch and
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  we're actually going to move backward in the timeline a
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  little bit. In Hisch, it's before Chaos has
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  started to emerge into the world, but it is after Techless
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  and Tyrion have created the luminous Light Elves of Hisch
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  their second attempt. And fish people didn't work out
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  so well. Yes, and Techless has imbued
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  them with the techly in the ladder.
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  Yep, his list of things you have to do to be good in the world
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  that he named after himself he. Just treated a bunch of
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  perfectionists with anxiety. Correct.
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  That is the perfect description of Bill Gameth as a people, and
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  that is baked into them to their bones because they were made by
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  magic, by Tecla. Tecla gives the Lumina the Tecla
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  ladder and then he just kind of leaves.
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  He's doing his own thing. Tekla is not at the highest rung
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  on the Tekla and ladder. Oh.
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  Interesting. OK, I.
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  Guess that's. Interesting, that is a like.
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  Like we give Tekla a lot of shit.
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  He is like aware of his own faults to an extent, but only in
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  so far as he is confident that he can overcome them.
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  Which. You got to be.
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  Yeah, for sure, for sure. So Tekla spends a lot of time in
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  meditation. He spends a lot of time, like,
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  projecting himself into like, the realms and kind of like into
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  the spirit, like the spiritual parts of the realms and
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  searching out. But so he's just kind of absent
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  for a little while. He's still technically around.
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  He's just, yeah, he's technically around.
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  Yeah, that's nothing. Also, I'm just going to cut in
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  real quick and mention a correction because I have one of
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  those because it's the thing I learned recently that I got
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  wrong originally. Tyrion we talked about is blind.
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  They have an inversion of Tyrion Techless where Tyrion always
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  protected Techless as the brother born with like a
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  physical weakness. Yeah, curse of Cain.
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  And then they get to the new world and Tyrion is blind and he
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  can only see through Tekla's eyes.
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  And so they have like an inverse of that relationship.
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  Tyrion did not appear in the realms blunt.
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  He didn't find Tekla's at 1st and his first thought to try and
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  find Tekla's was to follow like the like pull of magic because
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  he figured that's where his brother would be.
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  OK. That led him to try and walk out
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  like past the edge of the realm, just like see how far he could
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  go towards the edges of Hish and all the realms are less stable
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  away from their centers. Eventually, he walked so far
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  that he just saw the what we call the border inclemental,
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  where a realm deteriorates into its pure magical.
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  Saw what he shouldn't have seen. Yeah, he saw pure, unfiltered
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  light magic. That'll leave you blind, yes.
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  So don't look at the sun during the eclipse.
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  Yeah, don't like directly at the concept of light.
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  Yeah. So that is what blinded Tyrion
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  and Tech. Techless found him shortly
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  thereafter and everything we talked about came.
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  But I knew someone would be mad at me in comments about that and
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  we fixed it. We got it.
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  Yeah. So Teklas is off doing his
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  thing, expanding his mind. Tyrion's around.
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  He's he's kind of doing the Tyrion thing.
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  He's adapting to not being, having the use of his eyesight,
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  especially with Teklas. Yeah, a little bit preoccupied.
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  He's trying to handle what, like Marshall stuff, the Lumina
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  they're doing because he is aware the cast is coming back.
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  He sees that as a great personal feeling.
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  Yeah. He was supposed to be the
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  shining hero to fight him back and did not.
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  Yep, he's the And now he's trying to embody a role of like,
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  like he was the star quarterback who like, broke his Achilles and
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  now he's come back to coach like that.
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  He. Was like, like, he knows he's
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  not going to be as much of an asset in the fight against chaos
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  of his blindness, but he's hoping that he can train the
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  next like, generation of elves to fight the fight that he
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  couldn't win. Yeah.
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  But that's really all we know about him is that he's doing
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  that and that's good. But the rest of the Luminous.
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  Daredevil could do super cool combat lost blind.
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  I like feel like Marshall, God of the elves should not be so I
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  don't know, there's not much I can do.
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  I can't see like, I don't know man, go meditate on a mountain.
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  You're a God. I think he's got a little bit of
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  imposter syndrome. I also have a we're getting a
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  little extra judicial here. We're getting a little bit
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  outside the Era of Chaos or the Age of Chaos, but I have a
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  theory for what's gonna happen with Tyrion, really.
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  Yes, OK. So jumping way forward in the
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  timeline a little bit, I'll actually use this as a time
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  dimension now. One of the things that happens
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  to Techlist while he's like meditating on the spirits and
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  like expanding. So you wouldn't meditate on the
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  mountain? Yes.
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  OK, is Techlist actually makes contact with a nature spirit of
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  Hish? Nature spirits are pretty
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  plentiful, full on Hish. Hish is like inspiration to be
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  like intellectual and thoughtful effects, even its landscapes.
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  And so you'll have spirits of mountains and rivers and like
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  the winds who have intellect and they want to like talk and
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  they're kind of Sphinx adjacent. And so Teklis's mind connects
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  with the mind of 1 of Hish's moons.
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  Yeah, he finds the spirit of Selinar, one of the moons of
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  Hish. And they're just like
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  immediately friends. Like they are sitting in a
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  circle talking philosophy, like swapping theories on like how
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  magic works, just best buddies. Jump way forward in the timeline
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  of AOS, Techless and Selinar in the fight against Chaos, like
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  March to war together. Techless has a model where his
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  Selinar is also on the model. And they're just doing the.
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  Moon. Yeah.
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  Selinar. I didn't put any pictures of
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  Selidar in my visual reference because I wasn't sure if we were
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  going to talk about him. Selenard the spirit Selenard
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  manifests on the planes as a like Giro sphinx.
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  Yeah. Like a big winged sphinx.
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  He's got like, huge horns. Very majestic, very like
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  presenceful. Yeah, so Tyrion her not Tyrion,
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  but Techless and Selenar have a model in the game Major
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  Sycamore. You can play them on the table.
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  Cool. Tyrion doesn't yet.
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  That's very interesting. Very interesting.
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  Do of the God, we don't usually talk too much about models and
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  stuff of Venice mentioned who has of the pantheon, Yeah,
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  quotes, quotes, quotes. Who all has models?
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  Techless and Selenar kind of Grim Near.
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  That's complicated. Grim Near might have been reborn
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  in Immortal, we're not sure. Pin in that.
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  Yeah, pin in that, pin in that Marathi.
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  Marathi's not a God, but she's a survivor some.
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  Bullshit. Just make her God.
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  Marathi has a model. Marathi has two models.
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  Because little little disguise Marathi and big actual.
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  Snake Marathi Scary. Marathi.
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  Yeah, Alario has a model and I think Nakash has a model.
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  Nakash has a hell of a model. Yeah.
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  Does Sigmar not have a model? Sigmar does not have a model.
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  Interesting. And so Gorkamarka or Gorkamarka
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  don't have models? No.
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  Interesting. Interesting.
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  OK, so kind of split. Like not all of them have a
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  model. Yeah, it's pretty common.
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  Yeah. Interesting.
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  Maybe you should do an episode where you explain the goddamn
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  game to me. Yeah, it could be fun.
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  Maybe they should just once I have once we get through some
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  lore. Yeah, well, maybe before we get
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  into because all the games are like if you're you're going to a
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  tournament this weekend. Yeah.
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  So all those games that are being played there are going to
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  be played in not. It's post the world of chaos.
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  Yes, so the ages are the age of Myth, which we've like cleared,
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  basically we're getting into the Age of Chaos, The Age of Chaos
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  where basically like spoilers, yeah, what Nergal did, the guy
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  ran is going to happen elsewhere.
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  It's going to get real bad. And then after the Age of Chaos,
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  the, like, turning point where the forces of order kind of get
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  their feet back under arm and start to push back.
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  Oh, good. That is the age of Sigmar.
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  OK, that's his like, triumphant return.
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  Or hammer. We're, yeah, we're fighting
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  back, yeah. So everything is set in the Age
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  of Sigmar. So maybe after we finished doing
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  the episodes that are all in the Age of Chaos and before going
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  into Age of Sigmar, we may do an episode where we can do like a
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  crash course, unlike this is this game and this is the models
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  and this is what it looks like a little bit I.
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  Think that'd be fun? Because I think that would help
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  add like kind of the layer, like the the actual gameplay meta
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  narrative that the lore is building into with the future
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  things that are in the Age of Sigmar.
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  Absolutely. There's even a, with the launch
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  of 4th edition that happened recently.
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  There's even like kind of a explicit like new player like
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  game mode for Age of Sigmar that I think would be very fun to.
• 19:32
  We can get a couple people around the table and talk about
• 19:34
  like game mechanics and stuff. We'll bring Dylan on because
• 19:36
  he's got the mind for game mechanics.
• 19:38
  I could not comprehend. Fucking wild.
• 19:40
  Yeah. Dylan Hunter, I can't even
• 19:41
  believe that guy, but OK, OK, so it's not so uncommon for them
• 19:46
  not to have no OK, OK, but the fact that Tyrion doesn't have a
• 19:51
  figure yet, right? Does.
• 19:53
  Fit into I think there is a so something that has happened
• 19:55
  recently in the lore. There is a city that got founded
• 19:59
  post age of chaos during the age of Sigmar called the Phoenician.
• 20:02
  It is founded by High Elves. Think the Phoenicians.
• 20:05
  Yeah, exactly. But it is Phoenician, as in
• 20:09
  Phoenix they found. I thought you were going to say
• 20:13
  fish for a. Second, I was like.
• 20:15
  Oh, look at the fish people. They're.
• 20:17
  Doing so great they find this very powerful fire spirit.
• 20:21
  Love it. The Earth Phoenix.
• 20:22
  Oh my God is tearing into a fire spirit buddy.
• 20:24
  That's kind of what I'm thinking.
• 20:25
  I like that because what happened very recently in the
• 20:28
  lore is that like the city of the Phoenician gets founded.
• 20:31
  They worship the earth Phoenix, and they keep it and they study
• 20:33
  it and they like use its power to augment their magic, and they
• 20:37
  use how? Does the Earth Phoenix feel
• 20:38
  about this? Actually good it is a partner,
• 20:40
  absolutely. Yes, I love it.
• 20:42
  I just want. To check.
• 20:42
  Oh yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it can be outside
• 20:45
  luminous. We've heard things about what's
• 20:47
  going on over there, so I gesture at the metal thing.
• 20:50
  Yep. But they yeah, like they work
• 20:54
  with and study the Earth Phoenix and that's all great.
• 20:56
  And then very recently in the lore, the Phoenician, the
• 20:59
  Phoenician was destroyed, burned to the ground, obliterated.
• 21:04
  Yep, does not exist anymore. There's.
• 21:06
  A fireplace. A lady named Abraxia.
• 21:08
  She is the second in command of ever of the ever chosen.
• 21:12
  Yeah. Who the fuck is the ever chosen?
• 21:16
  Archaeon, our buddy from the old world.
• 21:19
  Yeah, yeah. What the fuck, right.
• 21:22
  I know that's that's a speed run on.
• 21:24
  Like, here's this cool city, they have a cool phoenix.
• 21:26
  It got destroyed. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 21:29
  OK. But Long story short, the like
• 21:33
  embers of the spirit of the earth Phoenix got rescued from
• 21:35
  the Phoenician did not like die in the clash.
• 21:37
  Phoenix, yeah. Absolutely, and was explicitly
• 21:40
  taken back to Hisch to be safeguarded by the laminate.
• 21:43
  So I think like Earth Phoenix magic, Tyrion, maybe some regain
• 21:50
  of the use of his sight or just working in tandem with the air
• 21:53
  Phoenix to be able to fight is like, yeah.
• 21:56
  Maybe the air phoenix becomes his eyes.
• 21:58
  Yeah, exactly. And it's a good contrast with
• 22:00
  techless and the like, very cerebral, like very majestic
• 22:04
  Selinar. We get Tyrion and his a little
• 22:06
  bit more like he suffers from the rage of Cain, right?
• 22:09
  Yeah, he'll be more fiery, passionate.
• 22:11
  Like I think that would be neat. Anyways, that's Dalton's fucking
• 22:13
  crackpot theory isn't the most. Good, tear off and put him back
• 22:17
  in the box and we're talking about.
• 22:20
  Yeah. Talk about Slinesh.
• 22:23
  Yes, yes. 2A's in it. 2A's in it excess.
• 22:27
  They want all the valves. Yeah, so the Luminef are doing
• 22:33
  what Teclais told them to do. They're trying to climb the
• 22:36
  Teclaan ladder. A lot of that is enlightenment.
• 22:39
  A lot of it is like mastery of magic.
• 22:42
  Some of it is looking out for your community.
• 22:43
  But the Luminef tend to be very like individualistic of the tech
• 22:48
  land ladder is a personal journey.
• 22:51
  And so we get these really cool advancements of the luminous,
• 22:55
  these magics they developed to help others to safeguard and
• 22:59
  ward against disease and help with crop growth that they like
• 23:02
  teach to like they take over to Iran and help them out there.
• 23:07
  One of the weirdest all of the like Luminous split into because
• 23:10
  Hish loves order. Luminous split into these like
• 23:14
  10 great nations that all kind of focus on different aspects of
• 23:17
  magic. They're not the focus so I
• 23:19
  didn't write them down, but the one I want to highlight is
• 23:21
  Yametrica, which is a extremely weird like nation of the
• 23:26
  luminous because they hyper focus on life magic.
• 23:30
  They are on the realm of light and so most Luminef practice
• 23:32
  light magic, but you Metrica focuses on life magic.
• 23:35
  They learn a lot from guy ran and they see it as their duty to
• 23:38
  promote the Luminef like as a race like there should be more
• 23:42
  Luminef because it's hard to rescue souls from slanesh.
• 23:46
  So we should promote like public programs to encourage people to
• 23:50
  have kids and like raise. Them a stuff child care.
• 23:52
  Yeah, and they started. Tax credits.
• 23:54
  Yeah, and they started that and then as that Luminef like
• 23:58
  nagging desire for perfection and for more and to to go above
• 24:04
  and beyond starts to get to them.
• 24:05
  OK, people aren't just aren't having kids fast enough.
• 24:09
  So what's this? What's the solution?
• 24:11
  We identified the thing that we think is a problem and we're
• 24:14
  going to come up with a solution.
• 24:15
  Oh no. And that's a long way of saying
• 24:17
  that you Metrica invents magical clones that.
• 24:20
  Means yeah, you've told me this before.
• 24:23
  I remember this. Yep.
• 24:24
  What? The fuck, guys?
• 24:27
  Incredible, so that is kind of the vibe that starts to happen
• 24:33
  with the luminous is they speed run like creating a utopia like
• 24:38
  all the normal kind of like social program magic to aid with
• 24:41
  like manual labor, like covering all of the kind of base wants
• 24:44
  and needs of like the luminous people and they still need to go
• 24:49
  higher. They still need to do more.
• 24:51
  That sense of perfection that we didn't solve the problem yes,
• 24:55
  being raised in a society that values competition leads to what
• 24:59
  it inevitably leads to. That's a shade everyone in
• 25:04
  America leaders listening to this podcast, but we will.
• 25:07
  Yeah, we'll do it again. The luminous start seeking ways
• 25:11
  to prove themselves against each other.
• 25:15
  Oh, Hans, no. It's not enough that we've
• 25:18
  solved all the problems, now we have to strive for more and.
• 25:23
  Just invent the Olympics and get it over with I.
• 25:25
  Mean they kind of do Jesus well they they do literally invent
• 25:27
  the Olympics there is just like a sports competition for the
• 25:30
  Lumina that where you are allowed to use magic and so
• 25:32
  they're like the magical augmentation like becomes a yeah
• 25:36
  that's interesting that's fun I hate that yeah again this is
• 25:39
  when you Metrica gets into cloning or they've like solved
• 25:41
  with other problems and so they're trying to adapt
• 25:43
  something else no. This is how we get on the
• 25:45
  eugenics train, yeah. The highest like accomplishing
• 25:50
  Lumina like master a bunch of other stuff they they've done
• 25:54
  all they can in like these areas and fields and stuff there's no
• 25:56
  more problems left for them to solve and like all the fields
• 25:59
  that they see deem valuable except the big one right because
• 26:04
  the luminous no chaos is coming. So we should, we should do
• 26:10
  something about that, right? If we if we put a lot of effort
• 26:17
  into doing something that at first blush seems bad, but the
• 26:24
  end goal is fighting chaos. There's that techless mentality.
• 26:29
  Yep, there's that. Techless are they?
• 26:32
  Are his children huh? No, that apple don't really fall
• 26:35
  far from the tree, do it. Fall far from the nice
• 26:38
  sacrificing, God murdering tree. Do it.
• 26:43
  A lot of words to say that the highest echelons of luminous
• 26:47
  society start making weapons. OK to fight chaos.
• 26:55
  Sure, Stop it. That's the justification.
• 27:01
  But remember, chaos hasn't reared its head yet.
• 27:04
  Yeah, and it's in any competition.
• 27:05
  Yeah, they very quickly. Called the Cold War.
• 27:09
  Correct. You got there?
• 27:10
  Yeah, the very quickly they outstrip things like we made a
• 27:15
  better like more improved staff for the ground troops and they
• 27:17
  get immediately to this makes a black hole like this erases a
• 27:23
  chunk of reality from existence. This unwinds time over like a 30
• 27:28
  mile radius. The Lumineth basically become
• 27:32
  professional weapon of mass destruction makers.
• 27:36
  Neat with the pretense that all of this is fine.
• 27:40
  You're only going to use it on chaos.
• 27:41
  Exactly. Of course it'd be terrible.
• 27:44
  Yeah. It'd be terrible if any of this
• 27:46
  got used on anybody else, but it's fine because we're just
• 27:48
  going to use it on Chaos and then I'm going to make a much
• 27:51
  bigger 1 next week because I've got to get back at that dipshit
• 27:55
  Ilarath in the next tower. Over who?
• 27:58
  Beat my last thing, he said. My last thing had a in it.
• 28:02
  Fuck you. So the Luminous just make these
• 28:05
  horrifying weapons of mass destruction like reality,
• 28:09
  unwinding spells that they have under lock and key, but they're
• 28:13
  also showing off because it's a competition.
• 28:17
  It's a competition. They're perfectionist with
• 28:19
  anxiety and daddy issues because they're got up and left.
• 28:22
  Yep, any as with any competition.
• 28:27
  Again, don't hate me, Audience, as with any competition with no
• 28:30
  rules. The Olympics just started.
• 28:32
  Yeah, as with any competition with no like rules or
• 28:36
  regulations, got to have rules very quickly.
• 28:41
  The opportunity cost of innovating was outstripped by
• 28:44
  the opportunity cost of sabotage.
• 28:46
  Oh, sure. Oh.
• 28:47
  Sure, why put all the effort into making the bigger and
• 28:51
  better spell if you can just not kill?
• 28:55
  But you know. Just perhaps maim or.
• 28:57
  Seriously, anger. Yeah, or even just cast a hex on
• 29:01
  him so his brain doesn't work so good anymore.
• 29:04
  Like why? Why put all the effort into
• 29:07
  pioneering new methods of spell casting when you can just get
• 29:10
  under someone's skin and make them worse at competing against
• 29:14
  you? Luminet.
• 29:17
  Perfection turns into pride turns into sabotage.
• 29:22
  Is all just dark academia? Yeah.
• 29:25
  Basically, yeah. And eventually that becomes too
• 29:31
  much. Yeah, I'm sure.
• 29:33
  I'm sure pretty quickly it became too much.
• 29:35
  The the clandestine aspect of it doesn't last very quickly like
• 29:41
  factions form of luminous who just despise each other for each
• 29:46
  other's work, who are all trying to compete to be the best and
• 29:50
  look what we've got in the backroom.
• 29:52
  Just a goddamn nuclear bomb and it also also a chaos demon.
• 29:56
  Yeah, I was going to say, Luminous society very briefly
• 29:59
  erupts into full on civil war like factions form.
• 30:02
  They've got all these weapons, they start.
• 30:05
  Scary. Blasting each other and the
• 30:07
  grand heightened Wizards towers that they built to do all their
• 30:12
  studies and stuff in collapse and that event is known as the
• 30:16
  Spire Fall. Good name.
• 30:18
  Yeah, and it is the event of of excess and competition and
• 30:22
  perfection that is so grand as to tear a rift in the realm of
• 30:27
  Hisch and let not Slanesh, because Slanesh is already here.
• 30:31
  But Slanesh is demons and drawn to the pride of the luminous.
• 30:36
  Yeah, it's like a goddamn lighthouse.
• 30:38
  Yeah, we have a picture of the spirefall in the visual
• 30:40
  reference. Go ahead and pull it up.
• 30:42
  I guess not Lighthouse. The lighthouse is meant to tell
• 30:44
  you to stay away from that spot, so that's more like a moth to a
• 30:46
  flame. Yes, that's a good, good
• 30:49
  comparison. Yeah, with some folks who were
• 30:51
  dead and one person who was looks like sobbing and grief.
• 30:55
  Yeah, it's tense to what happens, Yeah.
• 30:59
  They did bad. They did very bad.
• 31:01
  Yeah. OK.
• 31:03
  All under the pretense of doing good, right?
• 31:06
  And ain't that just tactless? Yeah, but.
• 31:09
  You did. So one thing that's really
• 31:11
  interesting. Should have stuck with the fish
• 31:12
  people. We should have stuck with the
• 31:13
  fish people. They're fine.
• 31:14
  They're fine. They're hanging out.
• 31:15
  Yeah. They haven't destroyed
• 31:16
  themselves. Yeah, they have to raid the
• 31:18
  coastline for souls, but whatever.
• 31:20
  But also. That's not nobody.
• 31:21
  'S nerfect, yeah, nobody's. But also that's because maybe
• 31:26
  rather than trying to repair this element of them, they were
• 31:29
  going to get destroyed, right? Yeah, I feel like this is just
• 31:31
  Techless's fault again. I mean, yeah, yes.
• 31:33
  It was a cosign for sold. But you know what?
• 31:35
  They aren't building weapons that will create a black hole
• 31:37
  and unraveled time, right? They haven't gone through a
• 31:40
  civil war. Most things are techless's
• 31:42
  fault. It's fine.
• 31:42
  Most things. Are Techless's fault.
• 31:44
  So Slimesh's demons enter into Hisch, and they are losing it.
• 31:53
  So one thing we haven't really touched on yet is that 2 demons,
• 31:58
  the presence of their God is just kind of a given, right?
• 32:03
  Like Nergal demons know where Nergal is.
• 32:05
  He's in the garden, and he's a constant.
• 32:08
  Yeah, he's a constant presence. When a corn demon returns to the
• 32:12
  Realm of Chaos, they can see the Black Brass Citadel.
• 32:15
  They can see corn atop the throne.
• 32:18
  Slanesh has been missing from the Six Circles, which is
• 32:23
  Slanesh's corner of the Realm of Chaos.
• 32:27
  Yeah, Slanesh has been missing from the Six Circles for
• 32:31
  basically the entire Age of Myth.
• 32:33
  Yeah. That's a long.
• 32:34
  Time, by any estimate, yeah, it's like eons, like it's an
• 32:37
  extremely long time and Slanesh's demons have just been
• 32:41
  in the realm of chaos, like they don't know what's going on.
• 32:44
  And very suddenly, like a crack opens up for them to pour into
• 32:49
  hish and they've been losing it, yeah.
• 32:52
  Right. Very unraveling into that.
• 32:54
  Yeah, like. What the fuck happened to
• 32:56
  Slanesh? Yeah.
• 32:57
  How can things happen to Slanesh?
• 33:01
  Yeah. And so Slanesh's demons pour
• 33:03
  into In Slash's Absence. Slash's demons have kind of
• 33:07
  split into 3 broad factions. OK.
• 33:10
  Yeah, like they don't have the unifying presence of Slenesh
• 33:13
  anymore. Like all Zinch demons know what
• 33:15
  Zinch wants them to do. Yeah, but Slenesh.
• 33:18
  Have to guess. Yeah, I'm guessing that's the.
• 33:21
  Problem, yeah. The first are the God seekers
• 33:24
  and they do exactly what they say on the tin.
• 33:26
  They're. Going to look for Slenesh.
• 33:27
  Yep, they're, they're here to look for Slenesh.
• 33:29
  They were looking all over the Realm of Chaos for Slenesh, and
• 33:32
  now that they're in the Mortal Realms, they're going to look
• 33:34
  for Slenesh here. The invaders are business as
• 33:38
  usual. They are just pretending like
• 33:40
  Slanesh is still around and they're gonna this is.
• 33:43
  The last standing orders, yeah, continue to follow.
• 33:45
  They're gonna go out and corrupt mortals and take stuff over and
• 33:48
  do what Slanesh would want them to do.
• 33:50
  The last is my favorite. They are the pretenders.
• 33:54
  They think Slanesh is gone, it's over.
• 33:58
  They need to anoint a new Slanesh.
• 34:03
  OK. I mean, yeah.
• 34:05
  The only issue the I mean, not the only issue, but the new
• 34:08
  issue or the main issue with that is that every single
• 34:12
  Slaneshi demon is possessed of Slanesh's own pride.
• 34:15
  And so every single pretender demon thinks that the new
• 34:19
  Slanesh is going to be them. Yeah.
• 34:21
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 34:23
  And so we don't know if they could actually like supplant
• 34:26
  Slanesh, especially Slanesh isn't actually gone.
• 34:28
  Like if somehow Slanesh was able to be killed, one of their
• 34:31
  demons probably would grow into like a similar role.
• 34:35
  But they're not going to work together to do it.
• 34:37
  No, because all of them want it to be them.
• 34:42
  But all of those like splintered factions emerge into the world
• 34:47
  and immediately set about doing the thing that they are planning
• 34:50
  on doing. They fight the Luminous.
• 34:54
  They start getting into the heads of mortals and corrupting
• 34:57
  them. And Slanisha demons spread
• 35:02
  across Hitch like wildfire. Because as much as the Luminous
• 35:07
  were like preening and had their pretense of like who were
• 35:10
  developing all these weapons of mass destruction to fight right,
• 35:14
  to fight chaos as soon as they show up, it is not a hard push
• 35:18
  to get some of those Luminous that we're just fighting a civil
• 35:21
  war to go cool. This is my edge in that big
• 35:24
  civil war we were just fighting. I'm going to side with Lanesh.
• 35:28
  Yeah. Pride, excess, perfection.
• 35:33
  It is absolutely Tecla Centurion spring to the defense of his.
• 35:37
  Obviously. Yeah.
• 35:39
  Yeah. But they are like in their
• 35:43
  Illumina, they're still kind of embroiled in a civil war.
• 35:46
  Slaneshi demons. What the fuck happened?
• 35:48
  Pretty much he's like I gave you a ladder like gave.
• 35:54
  Him a ladder? Is that me?
• 35:56
  How was this? How was a ladder supposed to
• 35:58
  help? Mr. Policeman, I gave you all
• 36:00
  the clues and that is why Tyrion tech lists don't answer the call
• 36:08
  to Guy Ram. It's because they are fighting
• 36:11
  Slaneshi demons Emergence and Hitch.
• 36:13
  Yeah, it's not ideal but they have to defend their own realm.
• 36:17
  Put your air mask on before helping others.
• 36:20
  They probably could have there. Probably should have tried to
• 36:23
  defend Guy Ran because that's where all the foods coming from.
• 36:25
  Yeah, again, the food is coming. Yeah, put it on your mask first,
• 36:28
  unless the place where the air is going to come from is being
• 36:32
  actively set on fire. Maybe punch out the guy setting
• 36:34
  out on fire and then put your mask on.
• 36:36
  But they both of them are the most powerful on.
• 36:39
  They had their most powerful on hish.
• 36:41
  They know how to luminous fight. They know at the moment after
• 36:44
  they're capable of. That's the other problem of the
• 36:46
  whole pantheon concept, is that all of the deities are
• 36:50
  specifically most powerful on their home tour.
• 36:52
  Yes, and so they have no incentive to leave their home
• 36:56
  turf to go help someone else if someone elses home turf is under
• 37:00
  attack because they're well I'm not most powerful there so I
• 37:02
  won't be helpful. I gotta stay here in case my
• 37:04
  place gets wrecked. It could have been a boon, like
• 37:07
  we have someone protecting every corner of the realms if people
• 37:10
  had been as devoted to that, like protection as Segmar was.
• 37:15
  Yeah, because again, I want to reemphasize Azir's fine.
• 37:18
  Azir's gonna be fine. Like Yeah, the.
• 37:21
  Other thing about that though, is especially with Alaria, like
• 37:22
  she was doing what Smart told her to do.
• 37:26
  He said we need to grow and she's like, got it boss, don't
• 37:30
  ever come to my house again. But OK, like, and so she was she
• 37:35
  was growing stuff and sending the resources out.
• 37:38
  I'm sure actually actually would have had a much much harder time
• 37:43
  becoming chaos proof if they were having to grow their own
• 37:46
  food. Yes, yeah, there is a like there
• 37:51
  is a tragedy to chaos coming back into the realm because it
• 37:55
  is both a story of people doing what they were supposed to.
• 37:59
  Like if the luminous like pursuit of like magical weapons
• 38:04
  to fight chaos had been genuine, hadn't been taunted or hadn't
• 38:08
  been tainted by that like aura of competitiveness that very
• 38:11
  techly and like having to prove your perfection.
• 38:14
  It genuinely would have been a huge but like they could have.
• 38:17
  They're here break the glass book.
• 38:20
  They've been like, oh, check it out.
• 38:21
  Oh, James Bond, you're going to go on a quest.
• 38:22
  Let me show all these gadgets I've made for you.
• 38:25
  You're going to have a great fucking time.
• 38:27
  Nergal is the only chaos God that made in without the aid of
• 38:30
  mortals, and if everyone else had like been able to keep a lid
• 38:35
  on basically then they could have swooped in, pushed Nergal
• 38:37
  back out, guy ran and everything.
• 38:38
  Would have been they were just rolled up and it like hi, I've
• 38:40
  been in a thing. It creates it unravels time and
• 38:43
  creates a black hole. No problem can be done by lunch.
• 38:46
  Yeah, but they couldn't. And that's part of the tragedy
• 38:49
  of it, right? And there's like, that oil and
• 38:51
  water element. Gorkmark was never going to be
• 38:54
  able to stay in the Pantheon long term.
• 38:56
  And Sigmar didn't give him, like, enough to do, didn't
• 38:59
  consider. There's still a little bit of
• 39:01
  that, like Sigmar, like, kind of hubris.
• 39:06
  Yeah. Yeah, my way is the right way.
• 39:09
  And I will tolerate Gorkmarker while he's fighting big monsters
• 39:11
  for me. But I'm not going to make
• 39:12
  concessions for him. I'm not going to make him feel
• 39:14
  like he is also contributing to this.
• 39:17
  Yeah, I'm just going to point him at stuff I don't like and
• 39:20
  assume that he's OK with that. And that is kind of where it
• 39:24
  falls apart. Yeah, like I always started
• 39:26
  building walls. Like, maybe you could have, Just
• 39:28
  like if you were agreed to leave Alaria's place alone, maybe you
• 39:31
  should have left Gorka Morka's alone.
• 39:32
  Yeah, 100%. But Slanisha demons pour into
• 39:36
  Hish. They very quickly crossover into
• 39:39
  Olgu. Hish and Olgu are right there.
• 39:42
  Yeah, and terminally linked. They can't get into Olgish,
• 39:45
  thankfully. They can't find Slanish.
• 39:48
  Part of the reason I can't remember if I said this during
• 39:50
  the the Hichnulgu episodes, part of the reason they're able to
• 39:54
  bind Slanesh and Olgish is because it is the opposite of
• 39:58
  excess. It is the it's the point
• 40:02
  directly between light and darkness.
• 40:04
  It is as Gray as you can possibly be.
• 40:07
  Just the more ultimate medium. Yeah, and that's why they can
• 40:10
  bind Slanesh there. It is the most antithetical to
• 40:12
  them. And so the demons of Slanesh
• 40:14
  can't enter Olgish because it's also completely antithetical to
• 40:18
  them. Yeah.
• 40:18
  And so they find their way into OLGU where Mullerian and Marathi
• 40:22
  are like what the fuck did you guys do?
• 40:26
  Here's what's wild If you would ask me to guess where they were
• 40:28
  going to show up, I definitely. Well to be fair, Marathi just
• 40:30
  got a bad rap, so I bet everyone.
• 40:32
  Was just assuming she would. I mean, yeah, she.
• 40:33
  Was not the problem, no. Like say what you will, not the
• 40:38
  problem this time, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 40:40
  I'm sure she's been the problem in a lot of other small ways,
• 40:42
  but she's incredibly ambitious and for some reason we just
• 40:45
  didn't make her a dot gut. I feel like she's just a God at
• 40:47
  this point. She's she's certainly one of the
• 40:51
  biggest religious leaders in all the realms, which is impressive
• 40:54
  for not being a God amongst gods.
• 40:57
  That's well, she just rolls up and like, I got this God's
• 40:59
  heart, don't worry. Yeah, I'm in charge.
• 41:02
  Again, like, and people don't know that still, like, yeah,
• 41:06
  yeah. She's just like, I have the
• 41:07
  favor of Kane look, and she's holding the heart behind her
• 41:10
  back and using it to do magic, right?
• 41:13
  Like, as far as most of the elves are concerned, Kane's
• 41:15
  still alive. It's so funny.
• 41:17
  It's so good, I think. Marathi's my favorite.
• 41:19
  She's so good. I love Marathi.
• 41:21
  I love Marathi most. She's so good.
• 41:24
  Like, unlike Techless, who's also the most Marathi is just
• 41:27
  like doing she's putting in the work.
• 41:28
  Yeah, we support women's wrongs. But I get a little Marathi
• 41:34
  figure. I imagine it's not little.
• 41:35
  Well, the little one's little the.
• 41:37
  Little one's little. It comes with the big one
• 41:38
  though, so it's, yeah, I mean. I wouldn't mind.
• 41:41
  That it might be worth it. You'd probably find like a one
• 41:45
  on eBay or something too cuz people trade it more.
• 41:47
  Hammer figures on eBay all the time.
• 41:49
  Yeah, they just released some like official Shadowhunters
• 41:52
  March for like the first time ever, including the Mortal Cup.
• 41:55
  It's just this big gaddy golden goblet with like giant red
• 41:59
  rubies all over it. And I'm like, I want it.
• 42:01
  Not just because it's the Shadowhunters thing, which is
• 42:03
  like one of my core fandoms, but like also I make a lot of very
• 42:07
  silly videos from unusual mythology.
• 42:09
  And sometimes I feel like having AI just use a wine glass often,
• 42:13
  which is fine for Aphrodite, but I feel like other deities should
• 42:16
  have a big Gotti golden. I do like that.
• 42:18
  I do like that a lot. Just spend money on a prop.
• 42:21
  I feel like it's got to be that one.
• 42:23
  Hell yeah. Hell yeah.
• 42:25
  We did get a little guy at the con, yeah.
• 42:27
  I was gonna say I've been looking for Guy Warhammer, yeah.
• 42:30
  Yeah, Guy Warhammer. He lives on the bookshelf next
• 42:33
  to the Elf Quest books because that's where he fit.
• 42:35
  He's such a little guy. He's a little guy, I.
• 42:37
  Like it. The paint job was very good.
• 42:38
  I really appreciate it. Yeah.
• 42:40
  Yeah, thank you. The person was very great and
• 42:42
  they even told us about dry brushing.
• 42:43
  Hell yes, dry brushing's awesome.
• 42:45
  I love dry. Brushing.
• 42:46
  Really. Cool, good technique I'm.
• 42:47
  Like I could definitely see and if I let myself, I would get
• 42:49
  super fucking into this. This is incredibly Zen, right?
• 42:52
  And I'm just like, I'm making the active choice not to allow
• 42:54
  myself to do that. That's.
• 42:55
  Completely. Fair.
• 42:56
  Yeah, a branching path where I was like, this is my new thing,
• 42:59
  right? But yeah, so Suneshi demons
• 43:02
  cross into OLGU and start causing havoc.
• 43:05
  They're all realistically Suneshi demons just kind of get
• 43:07
  everywhere. Demons of excess, they go wild
• 43:10
  with it. So let's talk about those demons
• 43:12
  a little bit. We got go back to the visual aid
• 43:14
  a little bit. Hello.
• 43:16
  I am going to start with a bad vibe because the first or like
• 43:22
  the most basic of Slaneshi demons are the worst named.
• 43:27
  Oh, OK. So remember how we talked about
• 43:30
  slanesh is a 80s British man idea of like sexual deviancy?
• 43:34
  Some 80s British man said we need a baseline demon for our
• 43:39
  sex. God, what is that demon going to
• 43:41
  be called? And does it be like, oh, you
• 43:43
  know that there's a concept called a succubus and an incubus
• 43:45
  and there already exists in culture.
• 43:47
  So we can just definitely use those terms, terms and like
• 43:49
  changing couple vowels around. Didn't do that.
• 43:51
  Interesting. Instead what they did is what do
• 43:53
  we do to communicate that this demon is a sex demon?
• 43:56
  And someone said we call them demonettes.
• 44:01
  We just put a feminine a fix on their name.
• 44:05
  Mm hmm, that's extra bad and also lazy, right?
• 44:10
  It's both bad and lazy. Right.
• 44:13
  And they haven't changed the. Name.
• 44:15
  No. God, I wish.
• 44:18
  Yeah, right. It'd be so easy.
• 44:22
  Yeah, for a stupid. Reason right it's it'd be so
• 44:26
  easy. They're not even Fevidin like a
• 44:29
  whole huge thing about Silesia's demons is that they are we we
• 44:34
  have a a what I like to think of.
• 44:36
  So I'm going to preface this whole section talking about
• 44:39
  Slanesh and Slanesh's history and Slanesh's demons by saying
• 44:41
  that I think Slanesh is the best example of the like warhammer
• 44:47
  writing team using the opportunity afforded to them by
• 44:50
  AOS like destroying the old world and starting a new one to
• 44:53
  reframe a lot of stuff about Slanesh like that is there.
• 44:56
  They took a lot of that unfortunate uncomfortable
• 44:58
  history and they said we can keep the core interesting
• 45:03
  aspects of that and re like tool it so that is less cringe and
• 45:07
  bad basically. Basically succubus.
• 45:12
  Right. It's right there, right?
• 45:15
  There is a very interesting like clash of meta and in fiction
• 45:19
  where all of Slanesh's demons have this kind of unnatural
• 45:24
  androgyny to them. I was saying like they are given
• 45:27
  really like fuck the gender binary.
• 45:30
  Yeah, yeah. And for that I love.
• 45:32
  It I was going to say, I think it's an interesting I'm.
• 45:35
  Like OK, they look like sexy demon ladies and I look together
• 45:38
  and I'm like no they they don't. Yeah, they have again.
• 45:43
  It's so interesting. So you ask an 80s British man
• 45:48
  what is your idea for an entity that is like both and neither,
• 45:52
  male and female and they say just staple the left half of a
• 45:56
  woman's body onto the right half of a man's it?
• 45:58
  Does also look like that, that there is sometimes they have a
• 46:02
  breast and then on the other side they do not?
• 46:05
  Yeah, and that is the like meta reason for why slashy demons
• 46:10
  look like that is just because that was how a British person
• 46:12
  could think of androgyny in the 80s.
• 46:14
  But in AOS and in even in later times of like Warhammer Fantasy,
• 46:19
  that got reframed a little bit to know this isn't just like 80s
• 46:26
  British man being out of touch. This is a demon, a creature that
• 46:30
  does not experience sexuality or have a good concept of like
• 46:36
  reproduction or like material life.
• 46:39
  No, no, because. Demons just make demons.
• 46:42
  Yeah, it's the head demon making demons, right?
• 46:44
  Like that's what it is. This is an entity like that that
• 46:48
  is completely disconnected from these concepts, trying to mimic
• 46:52
  it. This is not 80s British fans
• 46:54
  idea of an androgynous figure. This is demons idea of an
• 46:58
  androgynous figure. And that kind of works.
• 47:01
  Like, I like that, yeah. Trying to be like, this is what
• 47:03
  we got to work with. Like, yeah.
• 47:05
  But the the in the this trying to really lead to like they have
• 47:11
  the demons would have no strong concept for what this actually
• 47:14
  means to these mortal figures because they don't this is the
• 47:18
  one, this is the like they get mass and they get war and they
• 47:23
  get violence and they they get the concept of like excess.
• 47:25
  But like this hyper specific idea.
• 47:28
  The demons literally don't have that.
• 47:30
  Yeah. Demons, demons of Selesh
• 47:32
  understand pleasure, they understand excess, but they
• 47:35
  don't know why people like experience those things as they
• 47:39
  relate to sex. And so they're just trying to
• 47:42
  mimic it convincingly in a way to like provoke excess, right.
• 47:47
  Demonets. So demonets are the baseline and
• 47:50
  I hate how they're named do possess like a supernatural or
• 47:53
  to them they can project a glamour where they look like
• 48:00
  whatever whoever is looking at the most desires that can be
• 48:04
  sexual. That can literally be like they
• 48:06
  look like a merchant with bags of gold, like it's anything.
• 48:09
  And that's again, I think that's a fun reframing of like excess
• 48:13
  is not purely a sexual concept. They in battle our masters of
• 48:19
  incapacitating people. Killing a person isn't excess.
• 48:23
  They just cease to exist but incapacitating them and then
• 48:27
  taunting them with the things they want.
• 48:30
  Yep. It's like Slaneshi.
• 48:33
  Depends. A bad slanesh is weird because
• 48:37
  slanesh. The way that slanesh is evil can
• 48:40
  get like bad in a real way. Like, hopefully no one listening
• 48:44
  to this podcast has been subject to their family being murdered
• 48:47
  by an axe murderer. Yeah, but you might have
• 48:49
  experienced people being, like, creepy at you.
• 48:52
  Yeah. And that can be how Sunesh comes
• 48:53
  across a lot of the time, because that's their domain.
• 48:56
  Yeah, Yeah, there's the each of the demons I think have a
• 48:58
  potential for someone who have experienced something like that,
• 49:01
  but it is not common. Yeah, unfortunately, the aspects
• 49:04
  of sunesh are very, very common. Yeah.
• 49:07
  And just often times allowed and encouraged.
• 49:11
  Yeah. In the real world.
• 49:13
  Rough, but that's basically it for Demonets and I'm happy
• 49:15
  because now I don't have to say their name anymore.
• 49:17
  Fantastic. Let's go to the next Yeah,
• 49:19
  listen a lot. This is very upsetting, but
• 49:22
  like, in the way that it's supposed to be because it's a
• 49:24
  demon. Yeah, that is an infernal and
• 49:27
  rapturous. Hey, look at name.
• 49:30
  We spent a little bit more time, yeah.
• 49:32
  Right. Also has a feminine element,
• 49:34
  wherein I don't think any of the other demons we encountered
• 49:37
  correct? Did every demon we encountered
• 49:40
  just look like monster? And these ones definitely look
• 49:43
  like they have. Oh I like this next one.
• 49:46
  Sorry, I zoomed in. Now you're good, but I'm.
• 49:48
  Really into whatever this next one is.
• 49:49
  So let's talk about the enrapturist.
• 49:50
  Yeah, they are demons of musical talent.
• 49:53
  Yeah, they play instruments made out of mortals.
• 49:56
  Yeah, when a mortal seeks to, when a mortal musician seeks to
• 50:00
  surpass their own skill, they might call out to Sloanesh to
• 50:02
  bless them, to make the most beautiful music.
• 50:05
  And Sloanesh obliges. Yeah.
• 50:09
  Oh this in the the city of heavenly fire book in the shadow
• 50:15
  hunter series like the Sandra Claire they go to an alternate
• 50:21
  reality like the darkest timeline world.
• 50:25
  Where in if was it dark heavenly fire?
• 50:29
  No, it wasn't heavenly fire. It was Queen of Air and
• 50:33
  Darkness, I think. Sorry guys, there's a lot of
• 50:37
  these books. So go to 1 and go to the darkest
• 50:39
  timeline where what if? Yes, because it's the what if
• 50:42
  the in the original six books, What if our hero failed and she
• 50:46
  was killed and the demon monstrous, the demon Prince one
• 50:51
  right. And so these they're travelling
• 50:53
  through this world and they do see like a demons and they have
• 50:56
  this human and they have, I mean content 1 of this whole thing
• 51:00
  pulled out their nervous system from them and are playing it
• 51:04
  like a violin. Yeah, that's very much what's
• 51:06
  happening there. I think that's supposed to be,
• 51:08
  Yeah, like heartstrings specifically.
• 51:11
  So let's talk about the next demon.
• 51:12
  It was a good natural stopping part for the Infernal and
• 51:14
  Raptress, the other one on that page you scrolled over to
• 51:18
  briefly for a second. I like them.
• 51:20
  Yeah, the contorted epitome. That's good.
• 51:24
  Right. I know they got better at naming
• 51:25
  stuff. I just wish they'd change
• 51:27
  demonettes. Yeah, that's.
• 51:28
  Really. I'll even give you in Rapturous.
• 51:30
  I'll give that one to you. That's because it's got other
• 51:33
  things. Going on absolutely and then
• 51:36
  contorted epitome yeah they. Look like they would get along
• 51:39
  with our gesture friends for the last.
• 51:40
  Yes, absolutely. Sloppy bile pipers.
• 51:43
  Sloppy bile pipers, thank you so much.
• 51:45
  I feel like they and the sloppy bile pipers can put on their own
• 51:48
  awful demons. Yeah, they're like kindred
• 51:50
  spirits, even if they're not like they are opposed to each
• 51:53
  other. Sunesh Nergal are rivals.
• 51:55
  Yeah, right. But they are of a similar mind,
• 51:58
  right? Star.
• 51:59
  Crossed true. Yeah, Contorted Epitomes are the
• 52:02
  rare Suneshi demon that like to work together.
• 52:05
  Suneshi demons, inheritors of Sunesh's pride, often don't work
• 52:08
  well in groups. But Contorted Epitomes love each
• 52:11
  other, They love being together, and so they are often entrusted
• 52:15
  with a mirror of absorption. That's the thing between them.
• 52:19
  A mirror Absorption is not a demonic artifact.
• 52:22
  It is a thing made by mortals that Sunesh has nevertheless
• 52:26
  claimed ownership of. Yeah, a mortal man once trapped
• 52:32
  in the six circles of Sloanesh fashioned a magical artifact to
• 52:38
  try and trap Sloanesh so that he could escape.
• 52:43
  Bad. He made a mirror of Absorption.
• 52:47
  Any mortal who gazes into a mirror of Zarjan sees their most
• 52:52
  unpalatable desires reflected back on them.
• 52:55
  Things that are not acceptable in society.
• 52:58
  Why did? He think making that would do
• 53:00
  it. Because he thought Slanesh's own
• 53:02
  depravity would be so grand that it would trap them.
• 53:06
  And just. Didn't know.
• 53:10
  For immortal, it's the the pleasure of seeing a thing that
• 53:13
  is your like deep dark desire mixed with the shame of it being
• 53:17
  displayed back to you that kind of traps you.
• 53:20
  But Slanesh's desires are endless and their shame is
• 53:22
  nothing. Yeah, so that.
• 53:24
  Didn't. Work no Slanesh, in fact, loved
• 53:27
  it. They loved seeing all their
• 53:29
  deepest, darkest desires reflected back to them.
• 53:31
  He turned that dude into one of the greater.
• 53:34
  Demons. No, he's just still in the six
• 53:36
  circles and Slanesh forces him to make more mirrors.
• 53:41
  Oh my God, it's like what happens to the poor Mad Hatter
• 53:43
  Once Upon a time. But yeah, Slash thought the
• 53:47
  mirrors were so amusing, such a like party trick, that they
• 53:52
  basically commissioned more of them.
• 53:54
  And. So.
• 53:55
  Funny, right? Bestows them upon contort.
• 53:58
  Epitomes to carry into battle. Just fascinating.
• 54:02
  They give me Edward and Lydia vibe.
• 54:04
  Speaking of suffering game. Yeah.
• 54:06
  Oh yeah, they're, they're terrible, but they're terrible
• 54:08
  in pairs and we. Love a match then?
• 54:10
  Yeah. You actually want to slide back
• 54:12
  in the back to the Demonettes for this next one.
• 54:16
  OK. Do you see those like kind of
• 54:17
  lizard horse looking things the. Awful anteaters.
• 54:20
  Yeah, those are called. Well, they're not called
• 54:23
  seekers, but people who ride them are called seekers.
• 54:26
  OK, OK. They're just called steeds,
• 54:29
  which is weird, but they are a type of slanishy demon.
• 54:32
  Yeah, they're not sentient. They're animals, basically.
• 54:35
  They're kind of a beast and Nergal equivalent, but they are
• 54:38
  still slanishy animals. So they live in the six circles.
• 54:42
  Mortals can lure them onto the material plane to use them as
• 54:45
  mounts, or demons will take them as mounts.
• 54:46
  And. Do we want to do that thing?
• 54:48
  Yeah, they are stupid fast. Most Slanishi stuff is stupid
• 54:52
  fast. That's like they're defining
• 54:54
  board game characteristic, so they're extremely fast.
• 54:57
  And so Seekers make great mounts for people skilled enough to
• 55:00
  ride them, but they're still Slanishi creatures.
• 55:03
  So to lure a steed to you to ride, you either have to make a
• 55:09
  blood sacrifice to it or tempt it with a display of jewelry.
• 55:17
  It's so funny to me for some reason.
• 55:19
  I like that, yeah. Cool man.
• 55:22
  Yeah, you just got to impress them, Yeah.
• 55:25
  If I look materialistic, why would you approach me without
• 55:27
  material? Ryan But that's all for them.
• 55:30
  I just think they're funny because you have to.
• 55:32
  You have to give them jewelry. Yeah, this.
• 55:36
  Went real, like either got really creative or super lazy
• 55:39
  with. You.
• 55:40
  Yeah, The next one's very weird. OK, just going to warn you ahead
• 55:44
  of time. It's another terrible anteater
• 55:46
  A. Lot going on.
• 55:48
  Here smelly terrible, anteater bad.
• 55:50
  Oh come on, spoilers. This one might not show for the
• 55:55
  visual reference because it does just have like 8 boobs it does
• 55:59
  in. Fact have 8 boobs.
• 56:02
  Yeah, that's true. I didn't even clock that right.
• 56:04
  She was he trying to figure out how his legs work.
• 56:06
  They're human legs, it just has four of them and they're
• 56:09
  arranged wrong. Yes, OK, I see.
• 56:12
  Because they also kind of look equine.
• 56:15
  Yep. They're just wrong.
• 56:19
  That is called a fiend. They're like the weirdest demon
• 56:22
  and I don't know why. They're slow neshes if we're
• 56:23
  being real. Just listen, if we're talking
• 56:27
  about excess, that's true a lot going.
• 56:29
  On, that's true. Yeah, it's interesting that
• 56:32
  we've got Steed and we've got Fiend.
• 56:36
  Yeah. And those are just like, yeah, I
• 56:39
  mean, you don't want to give it like an adjective.
• 56:42
  Right. We just came off of Infernal and
• 56:45
  Rapture, right? Yeah, do something chimeric,
• 56:48
  right? Or something like.
• 56:49
  That right? The, I don't know, even just
• 56:54
  calling it a secret seed and making that specifically instead
• 56:57
  of just that's the seed. Yeah.
• 56:58
  It's just I wonder, like, why? Especially if it's like Slanesh
• 57:03
  is about excess, then everything should have the most elaborate
• 57:07
  titles. You would think.
• 57:08
  Adjectives and adverbs for days. You would think, but yeah, we
• 57:12
  just get friends instead, which is an odd one.
• 57:15
  Friends are not sentient. They're also like beasts like
• 57:18
  steeds are. But they do have two very odd
• 57:21
  like quirks about them. One is that they're singing all
• 57:24
  the time. How?
• 57:26
  Right. With that matter, right?
• 57:29
  And they're tongue, right? What are they singing?
• 57:33
  The tongue. Of their people all.
• 57:34
  All we know is that friends sing constantly.
• 57:36
  It sounds lovely to other slaneshy demons and mortals
• 57:39
  devoted to slanesh, and terrible to everyone else.
• 57:47
  It's like in Duck Tales 2017 when Daisy hears Donald
• 57:51
  speaking, just interpret to her as like, very eloquent.
• 57:55
  Very. Strong because she just loves
• 57:57
  him so much, understands him perfectly, and everyone else
• 58:01
  it's just Donald fucking Duck. Yeah, basically they sing
• 58:09
  constantly. They give off something that is,
• 58:11
  I'm sorry, it's called their Musk, that they you can smell
• 58:16
  them and that enraptures you to them and.
• 58:21
  Then they're going to snip you in half with their scorpion
• 58:23
  claws. Yeah, or they're going to cut
• 58:25
  your tendon so the demonets can come and.
• 58:28
  And just torment you forever. Yeah, that's right, they won't.
• 58:30
  They won't just cut your. Apples right they'll.
• 58:32
  Just snip your they look too big for that kind of fine surgery.
• 58:36
  They are also beasts, they might just cut you in half because
• 58:39
  that's their nature. Or maybe there's a bigger battle
• 58:41
  to get to, right? Like, but yeah, they're just
• 58:45
  terrible. Like too many limbs smell good,
• 58:51
  sing bads. Yeah, yeah, this is awful.
• 58:57
  Right. Yeah, it's a fiend.
• 59:01
  It's. A fiend that deserved an
• 59:02
  adjective. Though right?
• 59:04
  Like AI don't know it's a singing fiend even.
• 59:08
  Wouldn't work. Sonorous fiend.
• 59:11
  Melodious fiend. Yeah.
• 59:12
  Sonorous is better because sonorous is an awful sounding
• 59:15
  word. Sonorous.
• 59:18
  Fiend. Absolutely.
• 59:20
  Right, just continue on. Are other names just?
• 59:22
  No, we have a good, we have a good one next.
• 59:25
  It's the one I use for the intro of the episode.
• 59:27
  We have a Keeper of Secrets. I like him, right?
• 59:31
  I like them. Keepers of secrets are the
• 59:34
  great, the the greater demons of Sloanesh.
• 59:35
  This is their equivalent of like a Great Unclean One or a
• 59:38
  Bloodthirster. They got goat legs.
• 59:41
  Oh yeah. Goats and crustaceans are like
• 59:44
  slashes animals. Yeah, goat legs, goat faces a
• 59:48
  little bit sometimes, and then crab claws or even like crab
• 59:53
  legs occasionally are like very slanishy.
• 59:56
  I don't know why. I don't know if there's
• 59:57
  something particularly sexy about crabs.
• 1:00:00
  Actually, we litigated this. You said it was probably a
• 1:00:05
  carcinization where everything eventually evolves to be a crab.
• 1:00:08
  Yeah. And I like that.
• 1:00:10
  I don't know if it's intended, but I like it and it.
• 1:00:13
  Becomes crab. Yeah, it also makes it sense.
• 1:00:16
  OK, if we're gonna like really dive into this thing which is
• 1:00:18
  like just us playing demon, not getting why sexy.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. Kind of works for it's like OK,
• 1:00:24
  don't get but everything become crab.
• 1:00:27
  Therefore crab sexy. Yeah, absolutely good.
• 1:00:30
  All absolutely like crab. Yeah, there, there's like a
• 1:00:33
  danger to it. I'm not gonna pretend to
• 1:00:35
  understand sexual alert, but that's.
• 1:00:39
  Also not. What?
• 1:00:40
  Yeah, we're. Oh.
• 1:00:41
  Wow, it's two ace people. Talk about the the two worst
• 1:00:44
  toasts for this segment. But but the idea of like trying
• 1:00:47
  to be like, but also it feels like he's like, but no, just a
• 1:00:51
  lot. Yeah, a lot.
• 1:00:52
  And for some reason, this is the thing that a lot of mortals will
• 1:00:56
  engage in a lot of. So this is gotta be.
• 1:00:59
  It's like they're like, we gotta take this class.
• 1:01:02
  But no one really gets it. No.
• 1:01:04
  And they're just like, but boob impact.
• 1:01:07
  Yeah. Oh, crap.
• 1:01:08
  But perfect. Yeah, we did it.
• 1:01:11
  Keepers of Secrets are everything that Sunesh like
• 1:01:15
  wants from a creature. They are performers before there
• 1:01:19
  are anything else and. This looks like the ringleader
• 1:01:22
  of that bad circus. Yeah.
• 1:01:23
  Keepers of secrets are aristocrats.
• 1:01:26
  The fabrics and stuff they wear are often procured from like
• 1:01:29
  real life. They don't like spawn in with
• 1:01:31
  those that they will actually go out and seek, like clothing made
• 1:01:34
  by mortals to adorn themselves with and like jewelry and stuff.
• 1:01:38
  They are connoisseurs now. They just kill the person and
• 1:01:41
  take it. But.
• 1:01:43
  No one has this body type. In a fantasy world like.
• 1:01:47
  You're OK. What creature has the goat legs?
• 1:01:50
  These goat legs. I mean, there are big goat
• 1:01:52
  people. No for like, for real.
• 1:01:55
  Yeah, but also like they'll make their own modifications.
• 1:01:59
  The crab claws are good for them.
• 1:02:02
  They're also just like Suneshi demon Taylors.
• 1:02:04
  Anything that can be considered an art, there's a Suneshi demon
• 1:02:06
  who will do it. That OK, that they relish the
• 1:02:09
  they go. And ransack some Joanne.
• 1:02:11
  'S yeah, I mean, yeah. Joanne's.
• 1:02:15
  They love the over the top like aestheticism of Slanesh, just
• 1:02:20
  trying to be the most be like out there catching Slanesh's
• 1:02:24
  gaze as their best performer, as their greatest, like aristocrat
• 1:02:30
  basically. So now.
• 1:02:31
  That we have stepped away from the excess, focusing on all the
• 1:02:34
  sexy time stuff and have gotten to just being the best
• 1:02:36
  performer. This might be the one that I
• 1:02:38
  fall for. Oh I love slanesh stuff like I.
• 1:02:41
  Said this might be the one that gets.
• 1:02:42
  Me right. Slanesh is the like.
• 1:02:45
  Like I said, Slanesh is the most improved, I think from more
• 1:02:47
  humor fantasy where they'd really step back and said, hey,
• 1:02:50
  like this is what it means to be like a demon of excess, to be a
• 1:02:53
  creature of excess, what it means to pursue excess as
• 1:02:55
  immortal. And that's fascinating also.
• 1:02:58
  Sex. No, thank you.
• 1:03:00
  OK, OK. How about spotlight?
• 1:03:01
  Hello. Yes, it is I.
• 1:03:04
  Listen, I'm also not going to pretend like Slimesh isn't a
• 1:03:06
  huge hit in like queer communities.
• 1:03:10
  It's it's just sitting. Here thinking the whole time, Oh
• 1:03:13
  no. It's the Mufasa, like Ursula
• 1:03:16
  effect, right? Where those are creep, there's a
• 1:03:19
  characters who are villidous because of the haze.
• 1:03:21
  Scar. Yes, thank you.
• 1:03:22
  Scar and Ursula, they're villous and they have like kind of queer
• 1:03:27
  tendencies because of the Haze code.
• 1:03:29
  And so queer people latch onto them as characters they can
• 1:03:31
  relate to. Like Slash has a little bit of
• 1:03:33
  that. But also Ursula literally based
• 1:03:35
  off of a drag. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:03:37
  Absolutely. A lot, a lot of that flamboyant.
• 1:03:41
  Scene. Yeah, a lot of like.
• 1:03:43
  OK, watch out, the bad guys are gay.
• 1:03:45
  Yes, yeah, but. Also being like yeah sucks but
• 1:03:48
  also this feels like the only character who has a lot of
• 1:03:50
  agency going on in this film so. One of the things that sets us
• 1:03:55
  apart favorably. Watch out everybody.
• 1:03:56
  It's the part of the episode where we rant about 40K.
• 1:03:59
  One of the things I think sets us apart from the 40K community
• 1:04:02
  is because AOS has taken a more direct approach in trying to
• 1:04:05
  like, make Slanesh a more interesting character.
• 1:04:08
  You get a lot more unironic like love of slanesh and like
• 1:04:11
  slaneshy characters from like the queer community as opposed
• 1:04:14
  to 40K where you get anything queer posted in like a 40K
• 1:04:18
  community is going to have 100,000 people under it saying
• 1:04:20
  heresy and posting GIFs of flamethrowers because.
• 1:04:24
  Super cool. Thing.
• 1:04:25
  Oh look, that's a slaneshy thing.
• 1:04:27
  That's a joke no one's ever made before and I'm going to get real
• 1:04:30
  weird about it. Anyways, not a 40K podcast.
• 1:04:32
  Not a 40K. Podcast Thank God Keepers of
• 1:04:38
  Secrets have the like demonette glamour thing cranked up to
• 1:04:41
  1,000,000 UC whatever you want. What do you look at?
• 1:04:44
  A Keeper of Secrets right up until you don't They they relish
• 1:04:48
  in the like reveal in The Prestige.
• 1:04:51
  Of like. Psych I'm actually a huge crab
• 1:04:54
  monster and I'm. Just like, you know what?
• 1:04:59
  I'm not mad. Yeah, this, this is great.
• 1:05:01
  But you've got going on. Yeah, I'm not mad.
• 1:05:06
  Looking directly upon a keeper of secrets fills your whole
• 1:05:09
  brain with, like, what could be, right?
• 1:05:13
  Yeah, right. No.
• 1:05:14
  It's exhilarating. It's like rolling.
• 1:05:17
  And they turned into a goat crab monster.
• 1:05:19
  That looks fabulous. Impeccably tailored.
• 1:05:23
  The. Corset.
• 1:05:25
  The effect is so powerful that even people who like shake the
• 1:05:27
  initial glamour are still like off put by it.
• 1:05:30
  Like like people trying to fight a keeper of secrets.
• 1:05:33
  Just their sword arm is off their muscle memories gone you.
• 1:05:37
  Feel like you just woke up from the dream where you had
• 1:05:38
  everything you ever wanted. Yeah, yeah, even on the level of
• 1:05:41
  like, they're shaking at the knees.
• 1:05:42
  They're they're going to ask the girl out to the prom and their
• 1:05:46
  voice is failing them. Except they're in a sword fight
• 1:05:48
  with a giant demon. Like the worst thing she could
• 1:05:53
  say is search slash across your chest, you're on fire.
• 1:05:57
  Had a deep reference for people. I didn't share that meme too
• 1:05:59
  earlier today and. That's why it's important to
• 1:06:03
  establish yeah, yeah. For the campaign.
• 1:06:05
  I also love, I love a Cape. I love it.
• 1:06:08
  This, this person's this, this secret keeper's Cape is like
• 1:06:12
  attached at their wrist, but. Not expected, yo.
• 1:06:15
  Like, it's not a storm thing, right?
• 1:06:17
  Not. It's you can just imagine them
• 1:06:19
  like flailing in battle to do like a ribbon dancing thing,
• 1:06:23
  right? Like the performance, The
• 1:06:25
  prestige. This one, OK, this one got me.
• 1:06:27
  Yeah. Oh yeah.
• 1:06:28
  OK. I'm now I'm on team slide.
• 1:06:30
  Yeah, they still a bunch of elf souls, Yeah, and they're demons
• 1:06:33
  and they want to destroy the whole world, but it really
• 1:06:34
  sounds. Like they're great at an age.
• 1:06:36
  Of chaos and no and no one's answering their God damn phones.
• 1:06:40
  Can I join the circus? If I join Slanesh, can I join
• 1:06:45
  the circus? The the trick to being like a
• 1:06:48
  slanish aligned mortal and this is again all the chaos gods
• 1:06:51
  corrupt the thing that they oversee right?
• 1:06:53
  The the catch to being a slanish associated mortal is originally
• 1:06:59
  like out the gate. It'll be great.
• 1:07:01
  Like genuinely people turn to slanesh because either they are
• 1:07:05
  already at like the height of like the rich and famous turn to
• 1:07:08
  slash because they've experienced everything.
• 1:07:09
  They need something new. The destitute turned to slanesh
• 1:07:12
  because they've never, yeah, I mean, they've never a person who
• 1:07:17
  grew up on the street, never knowing the comforts of even
• 1:07:20
  like a warm bed being offered riches and glory.
• 1:07:24
  Like, yeah, that'll get you. It's an easy offer.
• 1:07:26
  Yeah, but the deviousness to it is that eventually the good
• 1:07:32
  feeling fades. That dopamine, Yeah, your brain,
• 1:07:36
  like the mortal brain, literally becomes immune to it.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah, it's what happens with drug use.
• 1:07:41
  Yeah, And you seek out new things to try and light that
• 1:07:46
  fire again, and you quickly run out of them because Slanesh just
• 1:07:50
  gives them to you. And you reach a point where you
• 1:07:55
  are like a slanishy cultist who is running naked into a battle
• 1:07:59
  because the sword strokes and broken bones will be the first
• 1:08:02
  thing you've felt in months. You are eating.
• 1:08:07
  Yeah, You're eating mushrooms you find on a cave floor and
• 1:08:12
  just drinking the, like, industrial runoff from a dwarven
• 1:08:16
  city because cake and wine doesn't satisfy anymore.
• 1:08:20
  Nothing makes your brain light up like it used to, and that's
• 1:08:23
  just what it means to be a mortal dedicated to slanesh,
• 1:08:27
  never having enough. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:08:29
  It's a. Good time.
• 1:08:30
  Yeah. I was gonna say it's bad.
• 1:08:31
  Yeah. I'm starting on circuits.
• 1:08:32
  You just hang out with a keeper of secrets.
• 1:08:34
  Yeah, they're great. Keepers of secrets love to when
• 1:08:39
  they arrive to a fight, just like enter it solo at first.
• 1:08:41
  Like literally hold up a hand and be like, no, no, I'll start
• 1:08:44
  this one and just try and give like a grandiose performance,
• 1:08:48
  only calling in the rest of the army when they get bored
• 1:08:50
  basically, or when their performance is done and it's
• 1:08:53
  just cleaning up the whatever's left.
• 1:08:55
  So in this at this time, if they're getting mortals to side
• 1:08:58
  with Slanish, but Slanish is in chains, yes, how is that working
• 1:09:02
  out for them? It's complicated, Yeah, cuz
• 1:09:05
  mortals can draw on Slanish's power.
• 1:09:07
  It just comes from old Gish. They can't figure out where it's
• 1:09:10
  coming from. Yeah.
• 1:09:11
  And they're they basically enter into instead of entering into
• 1:09:14
  context directly with Slanesh, they enter into contacts with
• 1:09:16
  Slanesh's demons. OK, that's part of what empowers
• 1:09:18
  like the pretenders, like a lot of the pretender aligned demons
• 1:09:22
  are keepers of secrets wanting to like ascend to the Yep,
• 1:09:25
  ascend to the throne or Slanesh. Yeah, the next big bad of.
• 1:09:29
  The show and they'll just have their like legion of mortal
• 1:09:31
  followers that they've enraptured into like supporting
• 1:09:35
  their cause basically. Nice.
• 1:09:37
  Yeah, Yeah. Cool.
• 1:09:38
  Let's get on to some like named characters.
• 1:09:40
  We talked about the the general. We talked about the general like
• 1:09:46
  demons of slash and stuff. Let's talk about some people
• 1:09:48
  with some names, some some notable characters.
• 1:09:50
  Let's talk about glutose or Scullion.
• 1:09:54
  Sure, man. Yeah.
• 1:09:56
  OK, this just got some tentacles.
• 1:09:58
  He do not. Where you think?
• 1:10:00
  No, glutose is mortal. He gives us a big.
• 1:10:05
  Jabba the Hutt's nephew vibe. He's 100% got that vibe.
• 1:10:09
  Glutus is a mortal man. He during the age of myth he was
• 1:10:13
  the son of a failed Hissian merchant.
• 1:10:16
  His family was starving and in an act of desperation he broke
• 1:10:20
  into a luminous grain store. Grain storage, but he was so
• 1:10:26
  overcome with like starvation that he didn't take the grain
• 1:10:30
  like back to other people. He just ate most of it.
• 1:10:32
  Ate grain, Yeah, just grain. Yeah.
• 1:10:35
  OK, Overcome with starvation. Yeah, yeah, people get weird
• 1:10:38
  when they're starving. Yeah, that grain was already
• 1:10:43
  like, earmarked by a Slaneshi cult working within the city to
• 1:10:47
  be delivered to a demon. And that demon saw glutose like,
• 1:10:53
  steal his grain and cursed him. That no like that only
• 1:11:00
  horrifying like mortally bad foods could say to him.
• 1:11:05
  Mm hmm. You're having like cannibalism
• 1:11:08
  or like. Yeah, unfortunately, another
• 1:11:10
  content warning there for everybody.
• 1:11:11
  Also deeply uncomfortable Dalton subjects.
• 1:11:14
  So we're not going to spend a ton of time on glutose, but
• 1:11:15
  totally OK. Glutos spent every single last
• 1:11:19
  coin in his possession trying to like, sample all the foods he
• 1:11:21
  could get at the market. Proceeds made from like,
• 1:11:25
  stealing and just like, thieving food off of stalls and stuff.
• 1:11:28
  Literally still starving to death after eating entire full
• 1:11:30
  course meals because that's the curse placed upon him until he'd
• 1:11:35
  came across the body in an alley.
• 1:11:38
  OK. Cool, yeah.
• 1:11:42
  On hish. This is coming up on the end of
• 1:11:46
  the Age of Myth when the Luminath were getting into full
• 1:11:48
  civil war mode. OK.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah, I know that, Jack. OK, that makes sense.
• 1:11:51
  That makes some sense. I see.
• 1:11:54
  I feel like if this was a different, like chaos God, a
• 1:11:59
  mortal dude rolling up and doing the exact thing that is their
• 1:12:02
  jam, they would just be like, holy shit, you are my new
• 1:12:06
  favorite. Let me give you a bunch of demon
• 1:12:07
  powers. Let's roll.
• 1:12:09
  But with it being slunish and then having that like I am the
• 1:12:12
  best of the best, of course they would be like, how dare you
• 1:12:14
  steal from me? Yeah, not OK, let's run.
• 1:12:17
  Let's run it. Like, let's see how much let's.
• 1:12:19
  How bad do you want? And like, let me give you some
• 1:12:21
  powers. That's just gonna be a lot of
• 1:12:22
  fun. He does that and the demon who
• 1:12:26
  cursed him, a demon named Lo Shar, because again, Slash is
• 1:12:29
  wrapped up. Yep, Lo Shar shows up and says,
• 1:12:33
  hey, like you did it. I thought you're just going to
• 1:12:35
  starve to death. OK, so.
• 1:12:37
  Now we get to the part where yes.
• 1:12:38
  I was going to say, I was going to say he's like, oh, you
• 1:12:40
  actually did it. Like cool, you can like roll
• 1:12:43
  with. My yeah, you can roll with my
• 1:12:44
  welcome. Welcome to my my entourage.
• 1:12:46
  Yep, and Glutos like fully leans in.
• 1:12:49
  His life wasn't exactly going great before no.
• 1:12:52
  And he's like, OK, like I'll he becomes the Slanesh's personal
• 1:12:59
  gourmand in. This.
• 1:13:03
  Context basically just that he's a weird freak cannibal that
• 1:13:07
  makes a big effort to like try and intellectualize it.
• 1:13:10
  Basically, right. Acting like a real professional
• 1:13:13
  chef. Does he does his like, depraved
• 1:13:15
  horrible. Yeah, right.
• 1:13:17
  Anyways, that's all we're going to talk about.
• 1:13:19
  Yeah, that's all we're going to talk about.
• 1:13:20
  Glutos. Because uncomfortable.
• 1:13:21
  He's got a wonderful model where he's, like, being carried on a
• 1:13:24
  palanquin and there's like a bunch of attendants around him.
• 1:13:27
  Like, that's cool. Yeah.
• 1:13:28
  It's a very good model. He's got.
• 1:13:30
  We have a cult following because his model is so good.
• 1:13:32
  Yeah. If you move to the next person,
• 1:13:35
  I stop looking at him. I love him.
• 1:13:38
  I love him terribly. He's the worst.
• 1:13:42
  You don't have to tell me why are his thighs out?
• 1:13:48
  Oh, don't worry, we're gonna get to it.
• 1:13:53
  This is Sigvald, Prince of Slanesh.
• 1:13:57
  Sigvald, you say? Really.
• 1:14:01
  Channeling some iconography here.
• 1:14:04
  OK. Sigvald is from the World That
• 1:14:07
  was. He was Slanesh's greatest mortal
• 1:14:10
  champion in the World that Was. Yeah, born to, like, a coronate
• 1:14:16
  tribe in Norska, worshippers of corn.
• 1:14:20
  He was. Yeah.
• 1:14:21
  He was kicked out of his tribe. He was exiled by his father.
• 1:14:25
  Do we know why? He basically wasn't, like,
• 1:14:30
  brutal enough. He he wanted to find like
• 1:14:33
  perfection and like violence and his dad was a coordinated
• 1:14:37
  berserker, so he just, he just wanted blood for the blood cod.
• 1:14:40
  Right, and you're telling me the queers are really into?
• 1:14:42
  I was going to say yeah, right. Yeah.
• 1:14:44
  Tell me about it. Disappoint his dad by not being
• 1:14:47
  Yes. Not big and strong enough.
• 1:14:50
  Yeah, 100%. Listen, Sigbald's a monster, but
• 1:14:54
  we love him. We can have our problematic
• 1:14:56
  face. Yes big big scar vibes.
• 1:15:00
  So he gets exiled, he kind of starts his own like war band, he
• 1:15:04
  sees the castle, he raids neighboring provinces doing that
• 1:15:09
  like chaos Norse can kind of thing.
• 1:15:12
  But instead of turning it all into booze and like, more pelts
• 1:15:16
  for the tent or whatever, indulges in the finer things in
• 1:15:19
  life, decks it out in banners and arts and fine wines.
• 1:15:24
  It's only the greatest, like duelists and swordsmen to join
• 1:15:28
  his entourage. Really leans into that
• 1:15:30
  perfection side of Slimesh, catching Slash's eye and
• 1:15:34
  becoming like, formally Slanish's champion.
• 1:15:37
  Cool. Sigvald is right.
• 1:15:41
  Oh, he's he's. You know he only is washing it
• 1:15:45
  in cold water and he is not using the shampoo with parabens
• 1:15:48
  or even scents in it. Sigvald is obsessed with his
• 1:15:51
  image. It is he is.
• 1:15:53
  He is our. Got in golden armor so I yes I'm
• 1:15:57
  not surprised. Tell me why his thighs are out.
• 1:16:00
  We're good there, we're good there.
• 1:16:01
  Sigvald is unquestionably the greatest duelist in existence
• 1:16:04
  period. In a one-on-one sword fight he
• 1:16:08
  wins. Period.
• 1:16:09
  He when the end times came he marched in the armies of the
• 1:16:12
  ever chosen. He marched with Archaeon to
• 1:16:14
  destroy the world. Had slash his best and he was
• 1:16:17
  really good at it. The last episode.
• 1:16:19
  I was like, who the fuck is the Ever chosen?
• 1:16:21
  It's because it sounds a lot like the Ever Queen.
• 1:16:23
  And I was like, what's going on here?
• 1:16:25
  So that's to explain that with Jerry.
• 1:16:26
  And that's super important. How?
• 1:16:27
  Could you feel you're fine? And I'm like, OK, you're fine.
• 1:16:30
  One, I'm not taking notes too. I definitely was like baffled
• 1:16:32
  because I'm like, wait, I know there's an ever queen.
• 1:16:34
  We're this person. We were just talking about
• 1:16:35
  Alario. Yeah, you're good.
• 1:16:37
  OK. Yeah.
• 1:16:37
  Archaeon destroyed the world. Had people at his back when he
• 1:16:40
  did it. Yeah.
• 1:16:42
  The same horse, the Glotkin and the Maggoth Lords also marched
• 1:16:45
  alongside Archaeon, right? It was just it was the most
• 1:16:48
  everybody together to do chaos like brigade.
• 1:16:50
  One listen, it's the end of the world's.
• 1:16:52
  We went with 100% during the end times, though Slanesh aired
• 1:16:57
  Slanesh. Sigal actually fell out of favor
• 1:16:59
  with Slanesh. Yeah, a lot of Slanesh's
• 1:17:04
  favoritism was riding on Sigbald being the best.
• 1:17:07
  I'd never lost fight. He only indulged in the finest
• 1:17:11
  things in life and during the end times he ran up against
• 1:17:16
  conflict of actually a servant of Nagash because Nagash was
• 1:17:21
  kind of on the side of saving the world, right?
• 1:17:23
  Nagash was. Nagash is always an exclusively
• 1:17:26
  on his own side. But in the moment, that meant
• 1:17:28
  stopping chaos. Yeah, we'd prefer this not to
• 1:17:30
  break bad for me. I've got plants.
• 1:17:31
  Yeah, Nagash had a favored white, basically a reanimated
• 1:17:36
  skeleton that retains its personality.
• 1:17:39
  Yeah. OK.
• 1:17:42
  Yeah, he was this like ancient Norsecan warlord named Krell,
• 1:17:47
  and Nagash likes him. He's good at his job and he's
• 1:17:50
  reliable. Sigvald of the.
• 1:17:54
  Month 12 months. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:17:56
  Sigvald fought Krell during the end times and destroyed his
• 1:17:59
  body. Which like, can't undo that,
• 1:18:03
  can't bring him back, can't. Unring that.
• 1:18:05
  Though, Yeah, Permanel. Yeah, even for our necromancer.
• 1:18:08
  Yeah, not a God yet, but pretty goddamn.
• 1:18:10
  Pretty close during the end times, yeah, Krell totally,
• 1:18:13
  completely dead, which Nagesh was pretty pissed about, but
• 1:18:17
  broke his favorite toy. Yeah, unrelated to fighting
• 1:18:20
  Krell a little bit earlier, one of the other allies of the the
• 1:18:24
  episode's not about him, and so I'm going to put a limit on
• 1:18:25
  myself so I don't talk about him for a long time.
• 1:18:27
  One of the other allies of the Ever Chosen was a troll named
• 1:18:31
  Throg, who I love terribly. Yeah, he is Throg the Troll
• 1:18:36
  King. Through some quirk of nature, he
• 1:18:40
  was the only troll in the old world who possessed like of a
• 1:18:43
  human level intelligence and he was so mad that he was the only
• 1:18:51
  troll of a human level intelligence.
• 1:18:53
  Very frustrating to be surrounded by people who just
• 1:18:56
  literally can't keep up with. You.
• 1:18:57
  Yeah. His great, like, he sided with
• 1:18:59
  the cask gods because he wanted them to imbue other trolls with
• 1:19:01
  intelligence. His great kind of thing that
• 1:19:05
  he's known for is this big speech he gives where he says I
• 1:19:08
  like, you can say that you're building up walls to support
• 1:19:11
  people and protect them and whatever, and I am siding with
• 1:19:13
  my people. I refuse to be the only mind in
• 1:19:17
  a race of monsters. Right.
• 1:19:21
  And, like, he's still bad. He's still sighted with chaos,
• 1:19:23
  but you get it, right? I love Frog.
• 1:19:26
  Anyways, Frog and Sigvald had a spat before Sigvald's fight with
• 1:19:30
  Krell. They challenged each other to
• 1:19:32
  single combat. Sigvald won, and he injured
• 1:19:36
  Throg and disrespected him and just, like, spat on him,
• 1:19:40
  basically, and was like, I've got bigger things to do than
• 1:19:42
  dealing with some horrible, horribly ugly beast.
• 1:19:44
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:19:46
  And Throg nursed that resentment during Sigwald's fight with
• 1:19:50
  Krell. It was close enough that Sigwald
• 1:19:52
  actually, like, permanently damaged his hands in the fight.
• 1:19:55
  He had to, like, bash Krell's skull apart with the hilt of his
• 1:19:58
  sword, and it, like, broke his hands.
• 1:20:01
  And while he was like kneeling in the snow, mourning his own
• 1:20:06
  perfection because his hands were broken, Throg hit him in
• 1:20:10
  the head with his hammer. Just.
• 1:20:13
  Handed. Behind him and what?
• 1:20:14
  Yep, just put him down. And see why Sloanesh would be
• 1:20:18
  pretty. Pissed.
• 1:20:19
  Yeah, as you got bested by the troll king.
• 1:20:22
  Get out of my fucking house. Yeah, Out.
• 1:20:25
  Of the house again. But yeah, Throg also Sloanesh
• 1:20:31
  didn't take it lying down. When Throg died, Sloanesh rended
• 1:20:35
  Throg soul into pieces. So Throg's Throg's totally
• 1:20:38
  totally and truly dead. Which is kind of sad because I
• 1:20:40
  like it. So Sigvald gets like disowned by
• 1:20:44
  Sloanesh, basically his soul protected enough by Sloanesh
• 1:20:48
  that it didn't get like joined with the like soul soup that
• 1:20:52
  reborn all the other humans. Yeah, just like living or
• 1:20:55
  existing to like wander aimlessly, but not reclaimed by
• 1:20:59
  Sloanesh, not protected like the Magothlars and stuff were by
• 1:21:02
  Nergal. And the person who eventually
• 1:21:05
  found Sigvald's soul was in the gash.
• 1:21:13
  Same, also eventually just found its way to Shyesh like every
• 1:21:15
  other like loose soul does. Yeah.
• 1:21:17
  And Nagash saw it and recognized it and immediately just, like,
• 1:21:22
  took him and tracked him in a mirror.
• 1:21:24
  And it was just like, that's for killing my favorite skeleton.
• 1:21:27
  And then threw that mirror just into the sands of Shyesh.
• 1:21:31
  Like buried it so no one could ever find it.
• 1:21:35
  That's great. OK, But like I don't like
• 1:21:38
  Nagash. No, but.
• 1:21:42
  Even as a like like I like slanesh's like oh villain
• 1:21:45
  architect for sure. I don't even like Nagesh yes,
• 1:21:49
  yes, yeah, like that like even a little bit.
• 1:21:51
  I really fucking don't care for this dude.
• 1:21:54
  I don't I could you know what I prefer if he wasn't in the
• 1:21:56
  narrative kind of I don't care for this dude, but that he he
• 1:21:59
  just earned a spot in the. Narrative absolutely so good, so
• 1:22:02
  good he's. Like fucking you in the mirror
• 1:22:05
  into the sands. Sigvald's like essence seeps
• 1:22:09
  into the mirror, eventually turning it into like a cursed
• 1:22:11
  artifact as his soul is trapped in it.
• 1:22:14
  The sands of show you should eventually like surface it.
• 1:22:17
  Some want to do. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:22:19
  Some Cara drawn prospectors find it.
• 1:22:21
  They're like dwarf capitalists, and they are so taken by it that
• 1:22:25
  they just like a couple, a couple of people of the crew
• 1:22:28
  steal it and they run off into the sand and they just, like,
• 1:22:30
  look at themselves in it until they starve to death.
• 1:22:34
  Yeah. I mean, completely possessed by
• 1:22:36
  Sigvald's own, like, complete self obsession.
• 1:22:41
  Yeah. Once Laneshi demons break into
• 1:22:43
  the realms, those those dwarves take it to Olgu to, like, hide
• 1:22:48
  it. Yeah.
• 1:22:48
  And once Laneshi demons break into the realms, they find the
• 1:22:51
  mirror and Sigvald is able to taunt them through the mirror
• 1:22:55
  into breaking it. Nice.
• 1:23:00
  He reemerges, having regathered some of his strength by like
• 1:23:03
  feeding off of the self obsession of the dwarves.
• 1:23:05
  And just like slashy, magic is in the air and he reemerges with
• 1:23:08
  the horns. He didn't have those before
• 1:23:10
  that. Tracks.
• 1:23:10
  OK, yeah. Why are his thighs out?
• 1:23:13
  His thighs are out because he has the best model in age of
• 1:23:16
  Sigmar. He sigvald only recently got
• 1:23:19
  him. Oh it was like 2 years ago but
• 1:23:20
  it's recently in a warhammer timeline.
• 1:23:22
  Only recently got his like new age of Sigmar model from when he
• 1:23:25
  got released from the mirror. He has a shield that is a on the
• 1:23:29
  inside so he can look at himself while he's fighting.
• 1:23:32
  Because of course he does. And he is wearing assless plate
• 1:23:37
  mail. This man has assless chaps on.
• 1:23:42
  Yes, and he has assless chaps plate mail.
• 1:23:46
  I looked so hard for like a picture of the model that had
• 1:23:49
  his whole ass out because it is, but they're just aren't any
• 1:23:52
  online I could find. I've seen the model in real
• 1:23:53
  life, which is the only reason I know.
• 1:23:55
  Yeah, you. Know this isn't just some urban
• 1:23:57
  legend. No, Yep.
• 1:24:03
  Y'all can't see Darren right now but she is land completely over
• 1:24:07
  it's. Just I wasn't when I first
• 1:24:11
  pointed it out. I was just for sure you'd be
• 1:24:13
  like, yeah, just character design.
• 1:24:14
  Like not I wasn't. And then I asked again.
• 1:24:17
  I'll get there. And then I asked again and I
• 1:24:19
  died. Asked three times.
• 1:24:24
  Sig Val Sigvald and his assless plate mail is the best model and
• 1:24:27
  Age of Sigmar. Don't get at me.
• 1:24:30
  It's so funny. It's such like a small decision,
• 1:24:34
  like design decision that tells us so much about who he is, a
• 1:24:37
  human being. Like because Sigvald thinks
• 1:24:40
  himself perfect. He thinks his body is perfect
• 1:24:43
  and he wants to put it on display.
• 1:24:45
  Perfect Darian. Yeah, not nightmare like.
• 1:24:48
  Let's tone it down on a second. God, I he's so funny.
• 1:24:55
  The first thing he does once he's set free from the mirror is
• 1:24:58
  start killing trolls. He literally just is like I'm
• 1:25:05
  free. You're all like under my
• 1:25:06
  command. Now let's go find some trolls
• 1:25:09
  that he does, but. That guy that killed you that
• 1:25:12
  killed you is dead. Hyper dead?
• 1:25:14
  Yep. Don't.
• 1:25:14
  Have to do that. He's nothing if not petty.
• 1:25:17
  We love that for him. That absolutely so wild.
• 1:25:21
  Incredible. We we have we're we've like
• 1:25:24
  we're so overtime in this episode, but I figured we would
• 1:25:26
  be because flash is just a lot excellent.
• 1:25:29
  Well, excess. It would be odd, absolutely.
• 1:25:32
  It's got to be our longest episode.
• 1:25:33
  That's that's. I'm not holding us to that.
• 1:25:37
  Those guys say I'm very excited to talk about Shellaccy.
• 1:25:41
  Shellaccy. Yeah, they're.
• 1:25:43
  Fighting a ball rod. They are.
• 1:25:44
  Shellaccy is a keeper of secrets.
• 1:25:47
  They are an extremely powerful keeper of secrets.
• 1:25:50
  They were handcrafted by Slanesh, not just a
• 1:25:54
  manifestation of Slanesh's power.
• 1:25:56
  They were handcrafted by Slanesh to hunt other greater demons.
• 1:26:01
  Yep. Shellaxi.
• 1:26:04
  Shellaxi Hellbane is their full name.
• 1:26:07
  It's so good. Also, I'm going to get out ahead
• 1:26:09
  of it. Shellaci and the two next demon
• 1:26:11
  characters we're going to talk about are explicitly non binary.
• 1:26:13
  They use they them and all of their profiles and stuff and.
• 1:26:17
  Yeah, yeah. Absolutely, absolutely.
• 1:26:20
  So actually demons have a habit of being like labeled feminine
• 1:26:22
  because people and I just want to get out ahead of it and make
• 1:26:26
  it clear that even in like British gaming company
• 1:26:30
  Warhammer's own Lor Schlaxi and the next two we're going to talk
• 1:26:33
  about are non binary. This is cannon.
• 1:26:35
  Yes, yes, Schlaxi is Slanisha's personal Demon Hunter slash.
• 1:26:42
  Schlaxi specifically is extremely good at hunting blood
• 1:26:44
  thirsters because Slanisha's corn's rival, right?
• 1:26:48
  Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:26:50
  Yeah, corn is direct. Corn wants one thing and doesn't
• 1:26:53
  care how you get it. Slash wants to play with it,
• 1:26:55
  wants to lead you on. It's all the things.
• 1:26:57
  Yeah, exactly. I'm.
• 1:26:59
  Trying to figure out the tail. That is their whip.
• 1:27:05
  That's Yeah, I think it's actually the Bloodthirsters whip
• 1:27:08
  because I don't think Shellacsi fights with the whip.
• 1:27:10
  I was. Trying to OK.
• 1:27:12
  I think Schlaxy is wrapped to the bloodthirster's own whip
• 1:27:14
  around its leg, which would. And around its wrists.
• 1:27:17
  Too. Yeah, which would track with
• 1:27:18
  Schlaxy again. They're the greatest.
• 1:27:20
  Stephen Hunter Slanesh. Yeah.
• 1:27:21
  I like that very much. OK.
• 1:27:23
  Yeah, very cool. Schlaxy's senses are like cross
• 1:27:27
  tuned so Schlaxy can smell magic in the air.
• 1:27:32
  They can see fear coming off of a person.
• 1:27:36
  They can taste cowardice and they can hear like a person's
• 1:27:42
  soul leave their body. Yes.
• 1:27:44
  Does that sound like? Shellacsi bad I'm assuming or
• 1:27:47
  good because slowness should even depends on.
• 1:27:49
  How they die. Yes, Shellacsi always hunts
• 1:27:52
  their prey relentlessly, but never kills them unknowingly.
• 1:27:56
  They will hunt a target to the ends of the earth and then
• 1:27:59
  challenge them to a duel because that's.
• 1:28:02
  Behind you and bash you in with a hammer.
• 1:28:03
  Yeah, it's got to be a performance.
• 1:28:05
  I want you. To know you were beaten, yes.
• 1:28:09
  Shellacs is extremely good at fighting blood thirsters.
• 1:28:11
  Like I said that's what they get the most practice against
• 1:28:14
  because slanish and corner and rivalry.
• 1:28:16
  They have fought Scarbrand the the blood thirster that tried to
• 1:28:20
  portray corn and failed. Yes they have fought Scarbrand
• 1:28:24
  to a draw twice. That third time they'll get
• 1:28:29
  them. Who knows?
• 1:28:32
  Realistically, if they do fight a third time, they'll it'll be
• 1:28:34
  another job because Games Workshop sells both their
• 1:28:37
  models. Yeah, you don't.
• 1:28:38
  Want to stop doing that? Right.
• 1:28:42
  Bring Scar brand back as a skeleton.
• 1:28:44
  Yeah, you'd do something about and there I say that.
• 1:28:46
  But there are characters who are like canonically dead, whose
• 1:28:49
  models you can still play and stuff that's cheating.
• 1:28:52
  But like, one of Nick Ash's lieutenants got thrown off of
• 1:28:56
  the edge of hish just into the etheric void, and you can still
• 1:29:00
  play him. So.
• 1:29:02
  Yeah. But that shellacs.
• 1:29:03
  Shellacs is not, like, particularly complex.
• 1:29:05
  They just have a great vibe. Yeah.
• 1:29:07
  Like, I like that. That's really.
• 1:29:08
  Neat. The head Demon Hunter of
• 1:29:10
  Sloanesh, Yeah. Yeah, the head demon.
• 1:29:12
  Demon Demon Hunter. Yeah, the next two are great.
• 1:29:17
  I love them terribly. OK, I like.
• 1:29:20
  Right. That is Sonessa on the left,
• 1:29:24
  Sonessa the voice of Sloanesh, and Dexesa the Talon of Slanesh.
• 1:29:30
  Very. Good, right?
• 1:29:31
  A title. Right, they are twins.
• 1:29:36
  They're collectively referred to as the Twins of Slanesh.
• 1:29:39
  Yep, it's got. Like a Peacock thing going.
• 1:29:42
  On a little bit they are wings. This is gonna get weird.
• 1:29:46
  Well. I mean, to be fair, they're
• 1:29:49
  already weird. Correct.
• 1:29:51
  It's gonna get weirder, OK? And I'm gonna, I have a
• 1:29:54
  suspicion of what's going to happen in the next couple of
• 1:29:56
  minutes, but I'm going to, I'm going to go with it.
• 1:29:58
  OK, so the twins were born of an entity called the Newborn, which
• 1:30:06
  was just this kind of writhing soul mass that split off from
• 1:30:10
  Slimash. OK, when?
• 1:30:14
  After the Age of Chaos, Yeah. So they're they're a little bit,
• 1:30:18
  yeah, they're a little bit in the timeline.
• 1:30:20
  They were not around in the old world.
• 1:30:21
  They are new by demon standards for sure.
• 1:30:24
  Chained up. Yes, to this day, in the age of
• 1:30:27
  Sigmar. Yes, wild.
• 1:30:28
  Yeah, right. There's actually actually do
• 1:30:32
  want to touch on that for just a second.
• 1:30:33
  Yeah, there's some evidence that Sunesh isn't really trapped and.
• 1:30:43
  They're just choosing to hang out there.
• 1:30:45
  Interesting. Slanesh, listen, we we've dodged
• 1:30:49
  the this is just a sex guide allegations.
• 1:30:52
  Slanesh engaging in a little bit of power play with the Alvin
• 1:30:56
  gods is absolutely in their domain.
• 1:31:03
  I I believe Slanesh was genuinely trapped for probably
• 1:31:07
  most of the Age of Myth going into the Age of Chaos.
• 1:31:09
  I think it's been long enough that they could probably leave
• 1:31:12
  if they wanted to. Yeah, because yeah, because
• 1:31:17
  we're athlete was like those are going to break eventually and
• 1:31:20
  eventually has come and. Gone.
• 1:31:21
  Oh, absolutely. Yeah.
• 1:31:24
  I I like that a lot. I think it's a really, it's very
• 1:31:27
  slanish and. Now here's here's the thing.
• 1:31:29
  Now we have reached the point of.
• 1:31:30
  Excess of big chats now I'm not exactly like yeah the.
• 1:31:33
  Longer I got here, the more I. AM and if a if a keeper of
• 1:31:36
  secrets loves hitting you with the glamour and then the
• 1:31:39
  prestige of Like you, I'm a big crab monster.
• 1:31:41
  Imagine. To just.
• 1:31:45
  Everything else has been brought back under control.
• 1:31:48
  Tyrion and Techless have driven the demons out of their realm.
• 1:31:52
  Marathi and Malaria never established control of Olgu.
• 1:31:55
  And then what happens? Just crack.
• 1:31:59
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:32:00
  Probably that. Yeah, probably that.
• 1:32:03
  Yeah. Totally tracks.
• 1:32:04
  It's very good. I like Slash's.
• 1:32:07
  Guys and they're coming from. Marathi first.
• 1:32:08
  Oh, first, always. So the newborn was just this
• 1:32:13
  Arcano demon magic thing, OK, that split off from Slanesh.
• 1:32:17
  It landed in Olgu. OK.
• 1:32:19
  And it just like incubated Olgish.
• 1:32:23
  Olgish, thank you. OK.
• 1:32:25
  And it incubated there until it like.
• 1:32:29
  Did anyone notice? Yes slanesh demons flocked to
• 1:32:33
  the site. It immediately became a no go
• 1:32:34
  zone for like every mortal. Eventually it like manifested
• 1:32:41
  the twins are. So these are salacious kids.
• 1:32:44
  Yes, explicitly. Explicitly, yeah.
• 1:32:48
  Even more so than like, greater demons are like, quote, UN
• 1:32:52
  quote. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:32:54
  These are explicitly Slanish's kids.
• 1:32:57
  Yeah. More than that, Slanish is not
• 1:33:01
  their only parent. Dalton.
• 1:33:05
  They have a mortal parentage. OK.
• 1:33:11
  And I'm really sorry, but I'm not gonna tell you who it is
• 1:33:14
  yet. Oh.
• 1:33:15
  No, they're prestige. You're building a story.
• 1:33:19
  Again, I was, I was gonna say if you if you enjoyed our yeah,
• 1:33:24
  nice sacrifice reveal. I I think the the secret of
• 1:33:31
  Sanessa and Dextesa's like mortal parentage is more
• 1:33:35
  interesting in that character's own story.
• 1:33:38
  Totally that. Yeah.
• 1:33:39
  And yeah, I think yeah, you it's interesting because I so very
• 1:33:46
  easily could have realized what was coming if I had asked more
• 1:33:48
  specific call questions. And I think I now that you have
• 1:33:51
  now that we have had the knee sacrifice reveal, I am more
• 1:33:54
  like, but what about this? But what's this and who's this
• 1:33:56
  now? Tell me more about that.
• 1:33:57
  Like I'm a little bit more. My head's on a swivel.
• 1:34:00
  I don't mind knowing the train's coming.
• 1:34:01
  You don't hang out on the tracks until.
• 1:34:03
  I it, it's good. It's gonna be good.
• 1:34:06
  I will say it's probably gonna be in like the next 4 episodes
• 1:34:09
  because we've got like two more Age of Chaos episodes.
• 1:34:11
  And then it's like the first thing I want to talk about after
• 1:34:13
  we get up. It's your chaos because it's
• 1:34:15
  very good. It's the second thing because
• 1:34:17
  there's another thing I just like, have to talk about.
• 1:34:19
  But it's coming. Oh, it's coming.
• 1:34:22
  OK, so this happens after the Age of Chaos, Yes.
• 1:34:24
  OK, OK, yes, so we're in the age of chaos, but we're just lining
• 1:34:28
  up all the demons and their stuff.
• 1:34:29
  Yeah, the one outlier. Yeah, but they are so important
• 1:34:32
  that it has to. Be talked about here yeah you
• 1:34:33
  can't not mention the twins when you're talking about like
• 1:34:35
  Slowdash basically because they are hugely important.
• 1:34:38
  They are. We talked a little bit about
• 1:34:41
  whatever the fuck his name was from Nergel, how he was like
• 1:34:44
  supposedly 1/2 like mortal demon.
• 1:34:48
  This is absolutely the only a sense we've ever seen of half
• 1:34:51
  mortal, half Chaos God. And like, yeah, it is like a
• 1:34:57
  genetic connection, like the twins are genetically half
• 1:35:01
  mortal. Yeah, it's going to get real
• 1:35:04
  weird. But.
• 1:35:07
  But for now, we'll get to it. And don't actually we'll record
• 1:35:11
  that episode before this one goes.
• 1:35:12
  I was going to say before this one goes live.
• 1:35:15
  Yeah, I was going to say no one, no one, no one said anything to
• 1:35:18
  Darian. But we'll have talked about in
• 1:35:20
  real life before the episode comes out, for sure.
• 1:35:22
  But yeah, talking about the twins.
• 1:35:23
  Sanessa is the voice of Slash. They are an absolute master of
• 1:35:28
  manipulation, both mundane and supernatural.
• 1:35:30
  They love to disguise themselves as immortal and so chaos by
• 1:35:34
  pulling on mortal strings like tempting them into doing things
• 1:35:38
  they already wanted to do, but with disastrous consequence.
• 1:35:41
  They also do just have like a supernatural power of suggestion
• 1:35:44
  that they can use when times get rough that they can use both on
• 1:35:48
  enemies and allies. Sanessa is one of Slash's
• 1:35:51
  greatest commanders in the Age of Sigmar and they are the the
• 1:35:56
  absolute pinnacle of Slaneshi demon, rivaled by only their
• 1:36:01
  twin siblings. I think both of them can't stand
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  because they want to be the best and they don't like each other's
• 1:36:10
  methods as well. That's interesting.
• 1:36:12
  Yeah, because Sinesa, like I said, is master manipulation.
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  They love pulling strings behind the scenes.
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  But Dextesa The talent of Slanesh, maybe?
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  A little more. Direct.
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  Yes. Revels in the experiential
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  aspect of that kind of performance thing that Keepers
• 1:36:30
  of Secrets do, where every single battle is an opportunity
• 1:36:33
  to put on the greatest show that you've ever performed.
• 1:36:35
  Dextesa lives Yeah Jake Cecil lives in that space.
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  Never not on a battlefield. Basically just constantly
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  playing out the greatest 18,000,000 part play epic force
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  Lanish and loving every second of it.
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  Thinks that sentences approaches are cowardly, Does not like how
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  they approach situations. Does not think that they are
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  experiencing life in the way that a demon of sunesh should.
• 1:37:04
  By being just knee deep in it. Right.
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  Like actually having those experiences for oneself.
• 1:37:09
  Yeah, I have in my notes an artist of cataclysmic power.
• 1:37:14
  What a good yeah. Dex Tessa will go to
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  battlefields completely alone and leave like perfect paintings
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  and blood and ruins carved up into like dedications to
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  Sloanesh sees their sibling as too passive and slow moving, not
• 1:37:28
  enjoying the thrills of life. And that's like I said, they're
• 1:37:33
  relatively new in the narrative. Do they have models?
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  They do have models. They have a here's a fun like
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  warhammer the physical tabletop game fact to save on like
• 1:37:41
  plastic production. Many Warhammer model kits can be
• 1:37:44
  built in multiple ways, so Sanessa and Dex Tessa are the
• 1:37:47
  same model OK. They just have different options
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  in the like box so you can build them as one or the other.
• 1:37:54
  Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, it means you don't have to
• 1:37:56
  print two whole separate like kits.
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  I want both. You'll just buy both and make
• 1:38:00
  each. Yeah, exactly, exactly saves
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  plastic in the long run, which is nice.
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  They're. Also like twins?
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  Yes, very similar. They're very similar.
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  Yeah, they're like slightly fraternal twins, but like, yeah.
• 1:38:14
  It's complicated. They're half chaos.
• 1:38:17
  God, it's Yeah. It's good to get.
• 1:38:19
  We have one less named Slanishi demon I want to talk about.
• 1:38:23
  I probably should have saved the twins for last, but.
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  This one's my favorite. I kind of figured that might be
• 1:38:30
  the case, so I put them at the end.
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  All about them. This is the mask.
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  Hello. You can see their masks.
• 1:38:39
  They have masks on a stick. Flip it.
• 1:38:42
  Yeah, if anyone we we talked about the the band, Slanisha's
• 1:38:46
  hypothetical band, and bringing in the sloppy bio piper on
• 1:38:49
  transfer. If anyone is part of Slanisha's
• 1:38:52
  great band, it's the Basque at one point, The Mask.
• 1:38:56
  There is a good chance The Mask was Slanisha's first demon in
• 1:38:59
  the same way that Horticulus was Nobles.
• 1:39:03
  The Mask was Slanisha's personal favorite attendant.
• 1:39:06
  Literally like a court gesture to Slanesh.
• 1:39:08
  Like trying to constantly entertain them and keep them
• 1:39:12
  like occupied and yeah, imbuing them with pleasure if.
• 1:39:15
  The sloppy Bible sloppy Bible bile Piper rolled up and like
• 1:39:20
  that looks like a medieval gesture.
• 1:39:21
  This looks like a very a renaissance.
• 1:39:26
  Absolutely, Absolutely. The art of clowning performer.
• 1:39:30
  Absolutely. Just always dancing and
• 1:39:32
  performing and putting on grand plays for Slanesh in the the six
• 1:39:38
  circles way back in like prehistory, like Old World times
• 1:39:42
  after a particularly devastating campaign against Nergal and
• 1:39:45
  Zinch, like Slanesh goes to like back to the Six circles.
• 1:39:51
  The mask rolls up trying to do the song and dance, trying to
• 1:39:55
  raise Sloanesh's cheer them up. Yeah.
• 1:39:57
  Sloanesh just wasn't having it wasn't in the right headspace
• 1:40:00
  and is a cruel God. And Sloanesh basically took it
• 1:40:05
  like a bad, like romantic partner.
• 1:40:08
  Basically just like oh you'd you want to like.
• 1:40:12
  The quote is found only mockery in the masks performance, Like
• 1:40:17
  just couldn't handle that, like joviality after such a
• 1:40:20
  devastating, like military defeat and told the mask, if you
• 1:40:23
  want to perform so bad, then perform forever.
• 1:40:27
  The mask cannot stop dancing, cannot stop like performing says
• 1:40:32
  all their lines and layers, says all their words in like
• 1:40:34
  Shakespearean rhythm. Like literally just can't stop
• 1:40:37
  being in a performance. Yeah, have to.
• 1:40:40
  Be on all the. Time.
• 1:40:41
  Yep. The mask can use their masks to
• 1:40:43
  look like anybody. They shape shift kind of akin to
• 1:40:47
  the Changeling and we talked about in the Zynch episode.
• 1:40:50
  But where the changeling shape shifts to like cause havoc and
• 1:40:54
  like do pranks, the mask shape shifts to be all of the
• 1:40:57
  performers in their own like plays.
• 1:41:01
  The mask will just find their way onto battlefields.
• 1:41:03
  Yeah, find their way onto battlefields to have a captive
• 1:41:06
  audience for their latest performance.
• 1:41:09
  They are deadly. They will take part in battles,
• 1:41:11
  but usually just to draw attention to themselves so that
• 1:41:13
  they can perform again a little bit Scar brand where they're
• 1:41:18
  they're banished from the six circles.
• 1:41:20
  They can't be in the presence of Sunesh cause Sunesh to have them
• 1:41:22
  gotten over it. So just constantly seeking out a
• 1:41:25
  new audience, hoping that eventually they will someday
• 1:41:27
  give a grand enough performance to return to Sunesh's favor.
• 1:41:31
  Right. But I love the mask.
• 1:41:35
  Very. Cool.
• 1:41:36
  Everything like slanesh Terrible.
• 1:41:39
  Yes. Everything about Slanesh
• 1:41:41
  incredible. Yes.
• 1:41:43
  Terrible bad guys, entropy, destruction, wanton horror,
• 1:41:46
  addiction. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:41:47
  Yeah, yeah, absolutely. But fiction?
• 1:41:49
  That's so good. It's so good, it's so good.
• 1:41:52
  Impeccable, impeccable. This is what happens when you
• 1:41:56
  queer code your villains so hard.
• 1:41:58
  You make them cool. When you bring it around from
• 1:42:01
  homophobia. Yeah, Yep, Yep.
• 1:42:04
  But hey, two hours into this recording that that's our
• 1:42:09
  episode on Slanesh. Talk about excess, why don't
• 1:42:11
  you? But I, I love talking about
• 1:42:15
  Slanesh, but that is where we're going to have to leave off our
• 1:42:18
  discussion of Slanesh. So far I've alluded to what the
• 1:42:20
  plans are in the the most and then coming off episodes, but
• 1:42:24
  I'll lay it out a little bit more for our viewers at home or
• 1:42:26
  just expectant. Next episode we are going to
• 1:42:30
  talk about the 5th amongst 4 the great horned rat.
• 1:42:35
  This amongst. 4 is. Very.
• 1:42:37
  It's so good, right? I'm excited.
• 1:42:40
  For this. Guy, right?
• 1:42:41
  Newly ascendant after the end of the world.
• 1:42:44
  He's a go getter, we'll give him that.
• 1:42:45
  Yeah, we'll talk about the Great Horned Rat and the Scaven.
• 1:42:49
  His mortal. The Great Horned Rat played a
• 1:42:52
  great prank. He did not make his followers
• 1:42:54
  demons. He made them mortal.
• 1:42:57
  Right. Well, he may.
• 1:42:57
  It means that they can. They have to be, like, brought
• 1:42:59
  into the realms. They have to be, like, seven.
• 1:43:02
  Yeah, they can just exist. Their lives are terrible, but
• 1:43:04
  they can still exist. After the Great Horned Rat,
• 1:43:06
  we're going to come back to our good buddy with the horse,
• 1:43:08
  Archaeon. Yeah, because he's making moves.
• 1:43:12
  He's ever chosen. Ever.
• 1:43:14
  Chosen. Yeah, that's the right way for
• 1:43:15
  that to say. You're good.
• 1:43:17
  He even here is still the anointed Grand Marshall of the
• 1:43:21
  Apocalypse, and so he's got an apocalypse to do.
• 1:43:25
  And he's got a specific beef with Sigmar.
• 1:43:27
  Yes, he oh, yeah. And then that's going to like
• 1:43:30
  cap off the Age of Chaos and the episode after that, we're going
• 1:43:34
  to circle back on Sigmar. We're going to see what Sigmar
• 1:43:38
  specifically is doing now. That kind of his initial plan
• 1:43:43
  with the Pantheon didn't work out.
• 1:43:45
  What? Yeah.
• 1:43:46
  What does Sigmar do to turn the tide?
• 1:43:49
  To tip the scales, Yeah. Take us back out of the Age of
• 1:43:53
  Chaos into the Age of Sigmar. He does something big enough
• 1:43:57
  that he gets the age named after himself.
• 1:43:59
  And then the episode after that. Don't spoil it, viewers.
• 1:44:03
  We're going to talk about Sanessa and Dexter's other
• 1:44:07
  parent. I'm.
• 1:44:08
  I'm wondering how much of AA tantalization I should give.
• 1:44:12
  Yeah. We're going to talk about Dexter
• 1:44:15
  and Sanessa's mom. Oh, OK, OK, OK, OK, OK.
• 1:44:22
  But all that is in the near future.
• 1:44:24
  That's where we're going to leave you.
• 1:44:25
  Audience. Thank you once again for being
• 1:44:27
  here with us. I, as always, am your keeper of
• 1:44:31
  secrets. Dalton Montgomery.
• 1:44:32
  And I'm very smart and I think tonight maybe instead of going
• 1:44:36
  out to the pub with the boys, you should just stay in.
• 1:44:40
  Have a wonderful evening. Take care, everybody.