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Inside The Data: Tight End Combine Testing That Should Entice Eagles For NFL Draft · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello, welcome back to Inside the Data on Inside the Birds.
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  Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Mosher, and of course we're talking data, so
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  Speaker 1: I got Sam Finkel here and we are in knee
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  Speaker 1: deep now in our series on athletic testing at the
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  Speaker 1: Combine and what it means for these NFL prospects and
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  Speaker 1: what it means for the Eagles and how they'll view them.
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  Speaker 1: We have done offensive tackles, we've done interior offensive alignment,
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  Speaker 1: and now we're going to move to tight ends, a
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  Speaker 1: position Sam that even with Dallas Goddard back, is such
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  Speaker 1: a need, a draft need position because it is a
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  Speaker 1: future need for the Eagles because both got all of Goddard,
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  Speaker 1: Grant Calcata, Johnny Munt and Cam Lattu are on one
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  Speaker 1: year deals. Okay, so basically in twoenty and twenty seven,
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  Speaker 1: if the Eagles had to line up and play a
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  Speaker 1: football game on the first day of the new league
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  Speaker 1: year and don't sign anybody, they would have no Titans. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: definitely indeed, But yeah, that just shows you how badly
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  Speaker 1: they have to replenish it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, didn't you think last year?
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  Speaker 1: I would have bet like half my life last year
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  Speaker 1: that they were gonna come away with one of those four.
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  Speaker 1: It was a top heavy draft. If you remember, there
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  Speaker 1: was the names are escaping now. There was like Mason
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  Speaker 1: Taylor right from LSU.
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  Speaker 2: It was liked a lot.
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  Speaker 1: Yep, Harold Fannin from Bowling Green. I'm trying to think.
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  Speaker 1: There were a couple of other Oh, the kid from Oregon,
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  Speaker 1: what was his name that went to the Rams Ferguson, Yeah, yep.
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  Speaker 1: And then the kid from Miami, right, I want to
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  Speaker 1: say Arroyo.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe, yeah, Elijah Royo, Elijah Royo.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So there were there were a decent number of prospects.
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  Speaker 1: I thought, for the life of me, knowing god it
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  Speaker 1: was on a one year deal, that they were gonna
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  Speaker 1: hit that position.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have thought so too. When you look
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  Speaker 3: at this tight end draft class, it's also interesting. There's
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  Speaker 3: some decent prospects, but it's very top heavy.
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  Speaker 2: Extremely now.
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  Speaker 1: I've been told though that it's deeper than last year's class.
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  Speaker 1: So even if you're in day two or day three,
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  Speaker 1: where it was a real kind of crapshoot, I guess,
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  Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, there are some decent
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  Speaker 1: prospects on Day two or Day three, depending on what
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  Speaker 1: you might be.
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  Speaker 2: Looking for and let's talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: So, like we said with guard, the Eagles maybe reprioritizing
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  Speaker 1: what they look for when they're scouting guards because they
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  Speaker 1: used to have road graders, but now they're running an
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  Speaker 1: offense where you have to have athletic guys who can
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  Speaker 1: move horizontally. Hallie Roseman had a press conference with reporters
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  Speaker 1: before he went out to the combine, and he did
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  Speaker 1: talk about his affinity for pass catching tight ends, which
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  Speaker 1: is pretty obvious, right, and how that also might have
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  Speaker 1: to change a little bit. And the blocking factor, which
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  Speaker 1: was an issue for the team last year, will have
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  Speaker 1: to be under more consideration now under.
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  Speaker 2: The new offense.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean totally makes sense. I think if you're
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  Speaker 3: looking for blocking, it does open up this tight end
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  Speaker 3: group quite a lot more. But from a pure athleticism perspective,
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  Speaker 3: there's only a couple guys that really stand out.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, right, the great the one thing, the thing you'd
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  Speaker 1: love to do and sometimes you can do as a
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  Speaker 1: wide receiver is find a guy who can do both,
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  Speaker 1: but maybe was not in a great offense in college.
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  Speaker 1: Is one guy and have mine we'll talk about right, Sure,
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  Speaker 1: wasn't in a great offense and then you kind of
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  Speaker 1: unlock him at the NFL level.
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't want to go to the extremes.
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  Speaker 1: But Kittle is kind of like an example that's not
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  Speaker 1: like the first round pick. And Iowa's offense is always
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  Speaker 1: you know, like sleep walks through the Big Ten every
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  Speaker 1: year while its defense does the heavy lifting.
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  Speaker 2: But him or even a Laporta.
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  Speaker 1: Laporta was kind of a second round pick, but nobody,
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  Speaker 1: nobody saw Kittle emerging into this you know, elite best
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  Speaker 1: tight end uh in the in the NFL group.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that's what you're kind of hoping to strike gold.
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  Speaker 3: With absolutely one hundred percent agree with you, and you're right.
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  Speaker 3: I think the Kittle situation, though, is somewhat rare. It's
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  Speaker 3: hard to find a guy like that. And even so,
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  Speaker 3: Kittle was the number one tight end in the draft
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  Speaker 3: class in terms of athleticism score. He was a ninety three.
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  Speaker 3: He ran a four or five to two with a
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  Speaker 3: one point five to one split, thirty five introvert and
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  Speaker 3: eleven foot broad jump with eighteen bench press. He was
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  Speaker 3: the number one tight end in terms of athleticism. So
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  Speaker 3: I do think there's some merit in these testing to
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  Speaker 3: determine whether the tight ends will be successful in the
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  Speaker 3: next level. And I think that even though it didn't
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  Speaker 3: show up, it did show up on film to some extent.
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  Speaker 3: It didn't show up entirely because he wasn't unlocked. There
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  Speaker 3: were precursors to determine.
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  Speaker 1: That, correct and if memory starts me correctly, kittle was
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a day tour Day three.
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  Speaker 2: Do you remember, Ah, he's a fifth rounder, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: fifth round guy. Well that's good and a good example
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  Speaker 2: for the Eagles is Brent Selik. You know they got
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  Speaker 2: him in the fifth round.
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  Speaker 1: Then you know again that Cincinnati offense was not anything
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  Speaker 1: to you know, go right home about. And it was
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  Speaker 1: a mid major and he came to the Eagles and
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  Speaker 1: wound up showing that he could both catch the ball
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  Speaker 1: and block really well.
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  Speaker 2: At a high level.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely all right, So let's take a look at your
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  Speaker 1: testing numbers and see if we can find another future
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  Speaker 1: Brent Selik in this group. As I'll let you explain
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  Speaker 1: again the color coding for anybody who might be new.
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  Speaker 2: To the show here.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, still Olympic themes. So we have the gold
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  Speaker 3: for the number one in the respective category, the silver
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  Speaker 3: for number two and the bronze for number three.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I feel like for future maybe the gold should
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  Speaker 1: be a little darker.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, I don't know why. Sometimes I have and this
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  Speaker 2: is just might be me.
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  Speaker 1: Sometimes I'm like, is that the gold or the bronze,
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  Speaker 1: But that's an idiot. Maybe it's the bronze is more
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  Speaker 1: peached than I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I can't fig. It's above my pay grade, Sam, Well, we.
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  Speaker 3: Can bring it up to your pay grade.
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  Speaker 2: I think love to bring it from zero to zero.
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  Speaker 3: Great, from zero to zero points z zero one.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds good, sounds good.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the scheme in office space where you're just
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  Speaker 1: getting a little penny. Everyone that went backfire though, all right,
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  Speaker 1: there's there's one guy who is getting all the attention
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  Speaker 1: at this position. What what does the testing say about
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  Speaker 1: mister Kenyon Sadik from Oregon.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can tell you what my thoughts are with
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  Speaker 3: mister Sidiq. First off, heartbreaking because all I can think
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  Speaker 3: of is the Penn State Oregon game where he did
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  Speaker 3: pretty well in that game if I fire a call correctly.
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  Speaker 3: But besides that, you know Sidiq is number one or
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  Speaker 3: number two in every statistical category. Uh. His athleticism score
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  Speaker 3: is higher than Kittle's score by the way that we
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  Speaker 3: were talking about, and I honestly it might be one
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  Speaker 3: of the highest scores that we've ever seen for a
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  Speaker 3: tight end. I want to pull up Kyle Pitts just
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  Speaker 3: to verify that. Yeah, it's higher than Kyle Pitts. It's
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  Speaker 3: the highest tight end score I think I've ever seen.
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  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, he's gonna go top twelve. I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I'd be shocked if he falls out because teams value
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  Speaker 1: tight ends now.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, to be able to move the way he
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  Speaker 3: does at his size is insane. A four to three
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  Speaker 3: nine at tight end is ridiculous.
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  Speaker 1: There's not even anyone like your gold is him, Your
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  Speaker 1: silver is R. J. Maryland at four or five one,
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  Speaker 1: So there's not that's not really that close when you
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  Speaker 1: talk about forty times.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's not close at all. I mean, it
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  Speaker 3: looks those numbers look close. But a four to three
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  Speaker 3: nine speed at tight end, yeah, is insane. It's almost unprecedented.
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  Speaker 2: What are his can you go through? His size? Miserable?
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  Speaker 3: I had a feeling you were gonna say that, so
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  Speaker 3: I was pulling enough as we speak, he's six three
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  Speaker 3: two forty one. Uh, you shouldn't be able to move
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  Speaker 3: like that at that size. His arms are thirty one
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  Speaker 3: and a half and his hands are ten.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, so he's got everything you want.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he is kind of a unicorn prospect.
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  Speaker 2: So he was a gold, silver, or bronze finisher here
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  Speaker 2: in every not even bronze. He was no gold or silver.
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  Speaker 1: You're right, in every single category that he'd wound up
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  Speaker 1: testing in. It's kind of funny that he didn't do
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  Speaker 1: the three cone of the shuttle. I mean, if you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna blow everything else up, you might as well give
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  Speaker 1: it your you know, you're not gonna hurt yourself. You
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  Speaker 1: don't have a great shuttle or something. Yeah, it's for
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  Speaker 1: an overall score of ninety five.
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  Speaker 2: Even the bench press. I'm just I'm impressed by that.
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  Speaker 1: You know, that's sometimes the position where the uber athletic
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  Speaker 1: guys don't excel because they're more athletic than they are strong.
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  Speaker 2: But he's got the perfect combination.
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  Speaker 3: I've seen some mock drafts where he is available at
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  Speaker 3: the Eagles pick and the Eagles and he's not mocked
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  Speaker 3: to the Eagles, And if that were the case, it
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  Speaker 3: would be almost malpractice.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely I mean where the Eagles are picking one like
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  Speaker 1: twenty fourth.
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  Speaker 3: I should know this, but I think they're twenty third,
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  Speaker 3: twenty third.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Most teams will tell you that they do not ever
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  Speaker 1: have more than fifteen to twenty guys with first round grades. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so by the time you get down into the twenties
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  Speaker 1: and you know up to thirty, you're basically taking guys
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  Speaker 1: that you most likely have a second round grade on anyone,
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  Speaker 1: or you're capitalizing like the Eagles did last year, on
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  Speaker 1: somebody falling out of the top fifteen for.
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  Speaker 2: Like medical questions like Johad Campbell.
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  Speaker 1: Right, So if you have a guy like this who's
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  Speaker 1: you know, I can't imagine him not being a first
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  Speaker 1: round grade given the production versus the athletic testing, right,
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  Speaker 1: and you pad that just don't.
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  Speaker 3: Pass on that exactly. That's what There's just no way
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  Speaker 3: if he is there, and he won't be. If he
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  Speaker 3: is there, the Eagles will be taking him, I would agree.
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  Speaker 2: I would agree.
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  Speaker 1: Now if he is not there, the question is are
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  Speaker 1: there any first round tight ends in your mind based
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  Speaker 1: on what you have here on athletic testing and production
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  Speaker 1: that would be worthy of that selection for the Eagles.
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  Speaker 1: Or anybody in the lower end of the first round.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that Stowers is the next guy.
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  Speaker 2: I would think so too.
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  Speaker 3: Is he a first round pick? I think so. I
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  Speaker 3: think he could. There's certainly an argument that he's a
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  Speaker 3: first round pick. If he's there in the second you
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  Speaker 3: feel really good about it. But but I think he's
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  Speaker 3: everything about him also screams good tight end, a great
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  Speaker 3: tight end. I mean he also was silver or golden
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  Speaker 3: every single category everyone, right, So I mean you feel
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  Speaker 3: pretty good about him. I mean I definitely think he
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  Speaker 3: also could be a guy that you unlock a little
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  Speaker 3: bit too, right. I'm not saying he didn't do great
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  Speaker 3: in college, because he did pretty well, but I think
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  Speaker 3: his ceiling is much higher than what you saw in college.
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  Speaker 2: And his size is what.
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  Speaker 1: Let me get you that I may have that one
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  Speaker 1: six four, two thirty nine okay thirty two five eues
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  Speaker 1: arms and nine and three quarters hand. So he's not
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  Speaker 1: as as big per se as Kenyon Sadik, and he
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  Speaker 1: doesn't run as fast.
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  Speaker 2: But so that just makes him less of a.
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  Speaker 1: Unicorn superhuman tight end and just a really really really
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  Speaker 1: good tight end.
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  Speaker 3: You know, it's crazy if Sadiq wasn't here we would
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  Speaker 3: be talking up as much. Yep, it wouldn't even be
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  Speaker 3: like Sadiq is such a unicorn prospect that it makes
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  Speaker 3: it look like Stowers is not as good. But he
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  Speaker 3: is an incredible prospect.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the guy used to play quarterback, all right,
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  Speaker 1: so you know he's got a good athlete to move
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  Speaker 1: to tight end.
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  Speaker 2: He's only played tight end for three years by the way,
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  Speaker 2: really good athlete.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, maybe you can put some pounds on him, get
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  Speaker 1: him a little bit bigger, But I mean, this is
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  Speaker 1: a guy that I think would be You're right, we'll
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  Speaker 1: be talked about as the premiere tight end in the
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  Speaker 1: draft if not for Kenyan Sadik, and that would probably
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  Speaker 1: the premiere tight end in the draft who's not a unicorn.
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  Speaker 1: Usually does go somewhere in the mid to late first
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  Speaker 1: round or very early second, but I think the ones
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  Speaker 1: that go in the second aren't is productive.
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  Speaker 2: This guy is really productive ya college at Vanderbilt.
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  Speaker 1: So obviously helped to play with the crazy quarterback there,
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  Speaker 1: Diego Pavia.
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  Speaker 3: But absolutely, and that's the thing, like, I still, even
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  Speaker 3: with his production, I still think he's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: higher ceiling guy in the NFL.
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  Speaker 1: Right, your third place athletic Maniasuer is a really interesting guy, Sam,
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  Speaker 1: And this is a guy that I think, from what
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  Speaker 1: I know about him, could be in that category.
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  Speaker 2: Of like that Brent Cell you're looking for that I'm
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  Speaker 2: I think this is a Day three guy.
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  Speaker 1: I could I could wind up being wrong because the
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  Speaker 1: production just isn't there, but the athletic testing is, and
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  Speaker 1: there might be something in there. Do you know I'm
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  Speaker 1: obviously referring to the Stanford kid.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, with a great first name, great first name.
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  Speaker 2: Sam, Stanford Sam.
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  Speaker 3: So I think it's really important again to talk when
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about athletic testing, to talk about where that
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  Speaker 3: comes from.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: So he's six six two sixty seven, so it's going
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  Speaker 3: to be, you know, artificially heightened because well he's very
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  Speaker 3: tall and very big. So I do think that's something
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  Speaker 3: that we have to mention. But to mister Rush's credit,
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  Speaker 3: his vertical was the third best, his three cone was
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  Speaker 3: the best, his shuttle was the third best, his bench
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  Speaker 3: was this was the third best.
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  Speaker 1: So I love what you just said there, because athletic testing,
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  Speaker 1: let's say all of the let's say his size is great,
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  Speaker 1: which it is, right, and the only thing he did well.
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  Speaker 2: Athletic testing was like a good forty.
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  Speaker 1: That would be sort of like, okay, so he runs
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  Speaker 1: really fast in a straight line, right like sometimes we
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  Speaker 1: say about guards or something or a tackle. But the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he's this huge body and tests well in
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  Speaker 1: four different athletic categories shows you that there's some stuff
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  Speaker 1: in there, and it makes me wonder like, is it
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  Speaker 1: the Stanford offense itself that is the reason why he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't that productive maybe compared to some of the other
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  Speaker 1: top guys.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, one hundred percent can see that. I also
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  Speaker 3: feel like he's a pretty good blocker if I remember correctly.
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  Speaker 3: We're going to get more into the film once we
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  Speaker 3: get to the next part of our analysis. And I've
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  Speaker 3: watched these guys to some extent, but I don't remember
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  Speaker 3: everyone one hundred percent. I'll admit that. But he, if
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  Speaker 3: I remember correctly, one of his strong suits is blocking.
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  Speaker 2: It is in fact, I'll read you this.
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  Speaker 1: This is from Andrew de Checo from Inside the Birds,
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  Speaker 1: of Course, who was out of the combine and was
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  Speaker 1: able to catch up to Sam Rush's podium interview, and
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  Speaker 1: this is a direct quote. I love dominating another individual.
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  Speaker 1: We had a quote up in our locker room, there's
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  Speaker 1: no greater feeling than moving a man from point A
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  Speaker 1: to point B against his will.
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  Speaker 2: And I want to embody that. Okay, So that just
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  Speaker 2: he's got the blocking mentality. He comes from the right
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  Speaker 2: school pedigree. We know.
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  Speaker 1: Stanford's always been a big blocking too tight I think
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  Speaker 1: Frank Craik was their coach this past year as.
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  Speaker 3: Well, right, Yeah, he was.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's their their mentality, you know, line it
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  Speaker 1: up in the trenches, run the ball. He also said
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  Speaker 1: that he was asked about his run blocking and he
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  Speaker 1: said that he felt like that was his bread and butter.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, that's exactly what we said the Eagles should be
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  Speaker 3: looking for. So makes sense to me. Yeah, I like that, quit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is something with somebody who I think,
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  Speaker 1: even if he's not per se like the Eli Stowers
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  Speaker 1: of the or the the Kenyan Sidiks of the world, right,
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  Speaker 1: if you put him in a QB friendly or space
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  Speaker 1: friendly offense like the Eagles, we expect.
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  Speaker 2: Him to be able to run.
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  Speaker 1: You may capitalize on some strengths that you only know
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  Speaker 1: where they're from the athletic.
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  Speaker 2: Testing and not from the production.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely good stuff, all right, so that's a name for
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  Speaker 1: Eagles fans to keep their eyes on.
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  Speaker 2: Sam Rush and who else stands out to you in
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  Speaker 2: this in this group.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So obviously Dinkins is a guy that is worth
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  Speaker 3: kind of talking about just because you know, he was
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  Speaker 3: a very highly touted prospect coming in. Uh, his athleticism
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  Speaker 3: score just was not great. Yeah, and he did say it.
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  Speaker 2: I would say it's pretty bad.
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  Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, it's it's it's quite poor. One of the
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  Speaker 3: worst ones on here, which is a little disappointing. I
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: do think some of it is for his size, but
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I don't obviously. I mean, the size only factors in
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: so much. And and Dinkins is six four, two fifty one,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: so that's actually even I was trying to be optimistic there.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: It's unfortunate, Yeah, it really is.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: But by the way, running a four to seven forty
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: when you're two hundred and fifty pounds is sort of
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: like normal. It just means he's not a.
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: Freak unicorn, like like, it's not like he ran a
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: five to one or something like that, you know, and
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: he's just endlessly slow.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Wouldn't you say four to seven at that weight is
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: not like terrible.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: I'd say it's pretty good. Yeah, yeah, it's just it's
• 17:41
  Speaker 3: hard when you have guys that are at that size
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: running a four to three nine, like that's that's really hard.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: It skews your viewpoint. Again, you remove Sadiq and that
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: four to seven looks a lot better, right. And then
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: another guy I was I kind of like, and I
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: think I would have liked it if the Eagles didn't
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: switch their offense, would be John Michael Gillenborg. I think
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: he's probably a better pass catcher than he is blocker,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: and he's kind of a fun prospect, very raw, very raw. Yeah,
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: but that's a guy that I kind of like. I
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: don't think he really would fit what the Eagles are
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: trying to do now, but that doesn't mean, Look he's
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: a Day three guy.
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: So I mean, well, look, I mean I think Howie
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: is not going to completely discard pass catching tight ends.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: He did bring back Grant Calcata for one year. So
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: if you're looking for depth, like pass catching depth in
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: day three, that's where it's where you got Greg Calcata,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: That's where you could get John Michael Gillenborg. But he'd
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: probably be sort of like the second tight end that
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you're taking in that draft.
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: By the way, I'm not against that.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. And then so then I
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: think there's only one other guy, maybe two other guys
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: that maybe were discussing. Okay, so Jared is it Kannak?
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure if it was Kanak or Kanak. So
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: let's go with the Oklahoma tight end.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: The Oklahoma tight end is worth discussing a little bit.
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, he had the third fastest forty yard dash,
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: which again only tells you some part of a story.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: But you know, he's a guy with the third the
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: fourth highest athleticism testing only tied to Matthew Hibner out
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: of SMU. And I think both those guys are kind
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: of worth discussing just because they are that next tier
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: of guys in terms of athletic testing. And that's what
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: we're discussing is athletic testing, right, So I think both
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: those guys deserve just to be talked about slightly. The
• 19:49
  Speaker 3: thing about Hibner is he had the best bench. He
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: did two more reps than Sadiq, and so I just
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: think it's worth mentioning those guys and saying, you know,
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: those are guys you should look out for a little bit.
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