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316: Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill: Protein Folding & Cellular Repair with NanoVi's Rowena Gates · Resiliency Radio with Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD

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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hey guys, welcome to Resiliency Radio, your go to podcast for the most cutting edge insights integrative and functional medicine.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm your host Dr. Jill and with each episode we dive into the heart of healing and personal transformation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Join me as I interview innovative experts, medical leaders, thought leaders and world renowned experts of all types bringing you the information to help you on your journey of optimal performance and healing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Today you're in for a special treat with this episode on nanov.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You're going to learn from the founder Rowena Gates, Co founder, I should say about this German technology that could help you feel better, live longer and prevent reactive oxygen and oxidative damage to your cells.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Okay, let's get to our show and let me introduce our guest.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Rowena Gates is the co founder of Eng3 Corporation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: She helped launch the Nanov technology and currently oversees business development related to health, regeneration and performance.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: She's been a serial entrepreneur since 1995 when she co founded one of the earliest companies to offer Internet based solutions to the logistics industry.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Rowena received her PhD from the University of Washington for her work on international strategic alliance and economic development.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: When not helping bring nanov to the world, she enjoys family, friends and a range of outdoor activities in Seattle where she lives you're going to love this show.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Let's bring on Rowena Gates.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Rowena, it is an absolute delight to have you on the podcast and we're going to explore and talk about as a co founder of the company, the new nanov.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: For me, it's new and the device that has really given patients a new way to have a greater amount of healing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We're going to talk about reactive oxygen, protein folding, some really fun topics that people may not have heard of.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But before we dive into that, I want to know a little bit more about you.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You're a co founder of the company.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: How did you get into this business?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: How did you find the technology for the nanov?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Tell us a little bit more about you.
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  Rowena Gates: Well, I started as a tech entrepreneur and my first company I started in 1995.
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  Rowena Gates: It was Internet based business to business and it was early and I did a couple after that and then I was going to take a break and my co founder Han Zing is German and I said, well, I'll help you at your company because his English language wasn't perfect.
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  Rowena Gates: And I started to help him and I realized how fun it was to be in health and wellness because it helped people.
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  Rowena Gates: And nobody ever, you know, called and said, wow, your international trade documents changed my life.
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  Rowena Gates: I love that.
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  Rowena Gates: I kind of got, I kind of got hooked on it.
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  Rowena Gates: And then we had been working on other technologies that were produced in Germany and he started to look at this, what was going on under the hood with what became the nanov device.
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  Rowena Gates: And so as he started to explore that and understand it better and the technology became available to create the nanov device, then went in that direction and it was right after, originally, it was right after 2008 and were, you know, self funding and all those, all of those difficult startup things.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yes.
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  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
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  Rowena Gates: Because if people don't remember 2008, it was the financial crisis that really changed the complexion of things for entrepreneurial companies.
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  Rowena Gates: So we just did it ourselves.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wow.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: One thing I love, I'm German, Swiss background and we like to go deep and be precise on stuff.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And interestingly, I've been to Switzerland several times for healing clinics and places and I am always so profoundly impacted and inspired by the kinds of things they're bringing into medicine.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And this is no different because what I find with the nanov is it's been a little hard to describe exactly what's happening.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And we're going to dive into that today.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But, but the technology, it doesn't mean it's not.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's kind of like when we're looking for EMFs and we're measuring the dirty electricity in a house.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: No one sees that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And yet they maybe know that if they have a smart meter in their bedroom, they wake up with a headache or there's increased risk of childhood leukemias if there's huge amount of electromagnetic.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So these things that are invisible doesn't mean they're not real and actually incredibly powerful and important to either hurt our health or help our health.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So today we're going to be talking about something like that is, I feel like a little bit harder to describe, but we're going to dive deeper and try to give people something to think about and handle.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I love the frame that this is actually a German technology and German inventor.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Is that true?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah, because I feel like they really understand more than us doctors about the energetics and about.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And again, my experiences in being in Switzerland is I would get a lot of therapies that I didn't always understand, but I certainly felt better.
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  Rowena Gates: Right.
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  Rowena Gates: Well, the difference I see is Switzerland, Germany and to some extent Russia, they have really dug in on the biophysics, the physics versus biochemistry, which has been the orientation in the U.S. yes.
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  Rowena Gates: And so they're, they, it seems like they're just way ahead and it's pretty normal there.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Like, I've done all kinds of sound therapies, light therapies, all kinds of modul.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And again, you can definitely feel the difference and I'm sure it's measurable because most of this is quite science that it's more metaphysics than the chemistry.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right?
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  Rowena Gates: Yeah, yeah.
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  Rowena Gates: And so we fit into the biophysics.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Amazing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So for those who've never heard of nanov, I've got one.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm going to try to turn my screen for a second.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I don't want to break, but I literally have the device sitting right here.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I use it almost every day like were talking about before.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I'm super grateful for that opportunity because I have definitely felt better since I've been starting to use it.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But for those who are like, what is nanov?
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Can you tell me more about the very basics of the biology of what's happening and what problem it was originally designed to solve?
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  Rowena Gates: So for the biology on the human side, when we look at the cell, every cell component, and most importantly for us, the proteins are immersed in the cellular water.
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  Rowena Gates: And what we do is we influence the cellular water to support all those functions.
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  Rowena Gates: And it's a very different approach.
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  Rowena Gates: If you think about the way most almost everything else is hitting the components of the cell, whether it's a supplement or a superfood or a medicine or anything, they're targeting components.
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  Rowena Gates: We're not doing that, we're targeting the whole environment.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wow.
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  Rowena Gates: And we do that with biophysics.
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  Rowena Gates: And so that sort of steps back to what's the actual device doing.
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  Rowena Gates: And what we're doing is we're emitting specific wavelengths that are absorbed by water.
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  Rowena Gates: And all of the light therapies you would have used in Switzerland and elsewhere will go through the water and they'll hit the cell components.
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  Rowena Gates: We only use the wavelengths that are absorbed because when the water droplet, that's, that you ultimately inhale from the nanov device is bombarded with those wavelengths, it changes the energy in the water droplet because of the absorption.
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  Rowena Gates: And so those excited or activated water droplets are then inhaled and there's a transfer of energy to the cellular water.
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  Rowena Gates: And it's the kind of water that's needed to support protein folding.
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  Rowena Gates: And we can get into proteins later.
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  Rowena Gates: Basically, they do pretty much everything in the body, in the cell, they make up the body.
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  Rowena Gates: But for now they have to rely on the cellular water to get the energy they need to fold.
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  Rowena Gates: And they start out as a chain of amino acids that has to form into a three dimensional shape.
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  Rowena Gates: And it, it needs energy to do that folding and it gets it from the water.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So anyone who's ever really looked at biochemistry and physiology or DNA molecules or any of these things, I mean, we can look now and see 3D images of these proteins, whether it's an enzyme for digestion or an enzyme to create ATP, or all of these things are actually studied.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And we can find out of the library of sciences and medical sciences what that actually looks like.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So if you're thinking, okay, this sounds kind of weird, these are actually very well studied.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And everything in our body is founded on the enzymes and proteins that are doing the actions.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's kind of like the rule book or the DNA code that's underlying our physiology.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So this makes a ton of sense to me.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And it also makes sense, as you were talking, I just had this image of a baby floating in amniotic fluid.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And it's almost as if you could, you know, do a heart surgery on the baby in utero for something, or you could maybe change the amniotic fluid to change the environment of the nutrients and the things that baby needs to survive and be born healthy.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So again, a totally different a thing, but in a way, I just was thinking of an image and I thought about it floating.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so it's almost like the surrounding cellular fluid, which is water based, is made more hospitable so that these proteins and enzymatic actions can perform more efficiently.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Would you say that's true?
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  Rowena Gates: That's exactly true.
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  Rowena Gates: And there's one more piece of this that might help people understand this.
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  Rowena Gates: We didn't just make it up.
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  Rowena Gates: We copied what the body does.
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  Rowena Gates: The body's constantly emitting this specific wavelength.
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  Rowena Gates: It's a reactive oxygen species.
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  Rowena Gates: So it's part of the beauty of the body where the very thing that is essential, which is using oxygen for energy, also does damage.
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  Rowena Gates: And that one reactive oxygen species also initiates repair.
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  Rowena Gates: Yeah, and it initiates repair by influencing the water.
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  Rowena Gates: And so we use the very same wavelength.
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  Rowena Gates: And that was our first device, was just that wavelength initiating it.
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  Rowena Gates: And it worked.
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  Rowena Gates: We had lots of studies on that alone.
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  Rowena Gates: But we did more research in Russia and Italy and found that there were other wavelengths that could be absorbed and they were even more potent for creating the water that we needed.
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  Rowena Gates: And so we added those to the devices that we have.
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  Rowena Gates: But we did just mimic, we just copied the body.
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  Rowena Gates: And that was Hans Eng is the technology person behind this, the German engineer.
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  Rowena Gates: And he just recognized that there's, we could create that wavelength outside the body and use humidity to deliver it.
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  Rowena Gates: So that was really the innovation.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hey guys, if you are enjoying this episode and want to know more, Please stop by www.eng3.com Dr. Jill get all the science behind nanov.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And if you order, you're going to get a free traveling case.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So please, if you just even want to know more about this Device, go to www.eng3.com Dr. Jill to get all the inside scoop, including the scientific on the website.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So check it out there.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Let's get back to our show with Rowena Gates.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So what I have right here sitting beside me is this incredible device.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And it looks like a box and then it has a little container with a water which is distilled water.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then your mechanism actually changes that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And what this tube that you saw when I showed you earlier is you can also attach it to like a nasal cannula.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Mine is just open.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so when I'm using that, I just have that up next to my mouth and I'm literally breathing the humidified air from that device.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Correct.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I'm Breathing.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Breathing the water droplets that have been changed by the machine to assist in the cellular surroundings of proteins so that they fold better.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Did I get that right?
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  Rowena Gates: That's exactly right.
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  Rowena Gates: It just has to hit the mucous membrane and then energy transfers across the water in the body and the.
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  Rowena Gates: The something like 99% of the molecules in your body are water.
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  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
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  Rowena Gates: So it's readily available to transfer energy.
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  Rowena Gates: So it just is almost like the physics toy where you hold up one ball and the other end goes up.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yes.
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  Rowena Gates: And it's just transferring across the water like that.
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  Rowena Gates: It's not diffused like a chemical might be.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah, that again, it makes so much sense.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I know just with like mold related illness and some of these other things.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hydrogen inhalation, very frequently we can use that inhalation into the alveoli of the lungs.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And because there's.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The alveoli are made to transport nutrients and water and humidity over.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Across right into the bloodstream.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's actually quite a direct route to get to the blood.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then to get to the body.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And that's probably why you've created it as it's an inhalation device.
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  Rowena Gates: It's a huge surface area.
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  Rowena Gates: Right.
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  Rowena Gates: There's lots of moisture there, so it's going to go right in.
• 14:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, that makes sense.
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  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And what's nice about it is so easy.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I mean, I can.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Like you said earlier, we both.
• 14:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I could be doing work or doing.
• 14:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Not usually when I'm podcasting, but otherwise, many times I'm doing some work here and I'm just sitting with it right here beside me.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: it's interesting because a friend, a mutual friend of ours, who's a big player in the world of supplements and nutraceuticals and he always knows the latest and greatest and he was the one who introduced us and said, Dr. Jill, you must meet Rowena and you must check out this.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I use it every single day.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And again, I trust him pretty implicitly.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so I was like, all in.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Okay, tell me more.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And again, like, I've been trying this out for the last several months.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So structured proteins folding.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Structured, changing the environment.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The proteins can fold in.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: What kinds of outcome have you seen with athletes, patients, the kinds of people who have given you feedback after using these devices?
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  Rowena Gates: Well, the original, one good example is the original upgrade labs, which is like almost 10 years ago now.
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  Rowena Gates: That team all tried out the nanov and they were measuring at Orange Theory or on the Watts on a bicycle.
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  Rowena Gates: And they came back and said, we're seeing 20% improvement in our performance.
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  Rowena Gates: And for that reason, they incorporated it in the launch of Upgrade Labs.
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  Rowena Gates: When initially they told me, you're too late, we're set.
• 15:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, amazing.
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  Rowena Gates: So they changed their mind, and they changed their mind.
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  Rowena Gates: And I was so happy.
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  Rowena Gates: And so there's that performance boost that people can measure in different ways.
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  Rowena Gates: And then the other areas where we started before that kind of changed things for us a bit.
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  Rowena Gates: Before that, it was all chronic illness.
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  Rowena Gates: And so however the person measures their condition, they can look for those changes.
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  Rowena Gates: And so one that's very obvious is blood glucose levels for diabetics.
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  Rowena Gates: And that's very apparent to them of how that changes and stabilizes.
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  Rowena Gates: Or another one is the respiratory illnesses.
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  Rowena Gates: And those can be quite profound.
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  Rowena Gates: And, and one story there is we had a woman with cystic fibrosis, and she was declining, and she got a device.
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  Rowena Gates: And as a result of her getting the device and people kind of watching her there, she.
• 17:02
  Rowena Gates: She initiated the sale of 26 additional devices.
• 17:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, wow.
• 17:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Because, like, you're doing better for one individual.
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  Rowena Gates: I mean, people.
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  Rowena Gates: She's wonderful woman, and people loved her and I guess noticed.
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  Rowena Gates: And so that's just one story.
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  Rowena Gates: With the respiratory illness.
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  Rowena Gates: It's.
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  Rowena Gates: It's very measurable.
• 17:21
  Rowena Gates: You've got lots of different takes on that, including blood oxygen saturation.
• 17:27
  Rowena Gates: And then that blood oxygen util, or utilization of oxygen shows up with an oximeter, and it shows up in metabolic testing.
• 17:38
  Rowena Gates: So what we've shown, and we have a study that's not released yet, but looking at the prefrontal cortex, and you can see the oxygen utilization and the blood flow in the prefrontal cortex.
• 17:52
  Rowena Gates: And so Those were a 9% improvement in utilization and an 11% increase in blood flow.
• 17:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wow.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Very.
• 18:00
  Rowena Gates: So what you're doing is you're just helping the body work better.
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  Rowena Gates: You're not overriding anything.
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  Rowena Gates: You're not adding any.
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  Rowena Gates: Anything.
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  Rowena Gates: You're just supporting it to do its job and it knows what to do.
• 18:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I love those kinds of interventions where we have, you know, first do no harm.
• 18:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And, and that's what I got excited about, because I thought, okay, this is the kind of power that we could improve performance and oxygenation and glucose and similarly to like, say, inhaled hydrogen or some of the other popular things out there.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: There's not a lot of risk, which I always feel like those are such powerful interventions.
• 18:38
  Rowena Gates: Exactly.
• 18:39
  Rowena Gates: The, the contraindications.
• 18:40
  Rowena Gates: And actually that also speaks to the complexity of proteins, because we don't know that much about that many of them.
• 18:49
  Rowena Gates: And there's all these unintended consequences as a result.
• 18:52
  Rowena Gates: Because most pharmaceuticals are based in tweaking proteins.
• 18:56
  Rowena Gates: And actually the Nobel Prize, a couple years ago, the prize in chemistry went to the guys developing the AI that could predict the shape of the protein.
• 19:07
  Rowena Gates: Because it was so critical to medical research.
• 19:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Exactly.
• 19:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Because whether it's binding sites or creating molecules that look like a certain protein, that's really where medicine has gone.
• 19:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But it's very manipulative in the sense of there's, you know, one intervention, and it can be a whole chain of unintended adverse effects.
• 19:27
  Rowena Gates: Right.
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  Rowena Gates: And we don't, from our perspective, we don't care what you call the protein or even what its shape is.
• 19:32
  Rowena Gates: We're just going to help it do its job better.
• 19:36
  Rowena Gates: And to me, the.
• 19:37
  Rowena Gates: The body's own wisdom is the ultimate in personalized medicine.
• 19:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah, absolutely.
• 19:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: When we support, whether it's with food or nutrition or movement or something like this.
• 19:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So is there.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You mentioned, like, for the upgraded labs people, they saw an increase in performance and in this, you know, cystic fibrosis patient improved her ability to breathe and sustain.
• 19:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: All of that.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Are there any published or implied studies on things like heart rate variability, oxidative stress markers, cytokines, athletic recovery?
• 20:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm just naming a few.
• 20:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I don't know of any.
• 20:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But is there anything that you could say, oh, yeah, we've studied these particular.
• 20:12
  Rowena Gates: Markers, heart rate variability.
• 20:15
  Rowena Gates: That one is just actually going out for publication, but it was a really remarkable 45% reduction in the stress index and then a 19% improvement in parasympathetic over time later in the session.
• 20:32
  Rowena Gates: And the other, the big study that's published in the International Journal of Molecular Science is on proteins themselves, and they damage the proteins either with oxidation, which we all have heat, or chemicals, which we probably have some of those as well, but definitely chemical.
• 20:53
  Rowena Gates: And they showed how well the proteins functioned after using a sham device or an active nest nanov device.
• 21:02
  Rowena Gates: And those results were really profound.
• 21:04
  Rowena Gates: And they concluded that the nanov was both preventative and restorative.
• 21:12
  Rowena Gates: And it's not antioxidant, so it's complementary with antioxidants, including molecular hydrogen.
• 21:21
  Rowena Gates: However, if what it does by influencing the water is create more stability in the proteins so they're less susceptible to damage, and therefore you have better outcomes with the active device versus the placebo device.
• 21:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wow, that's impressive.
• 21:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I love that you mentioned you could use it alongside of your typical antioxidants or like, complementary really matters.
• 21:43
  Rowena Gates: I use both.
• 21:44
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 21:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah, I'm thinking that too, because I have hydrogen as well.
• 21:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I like them both.
• 21:49
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 21:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Love.
• 21:50
  Rowena Gates: Yeah, it's.
• 21:50
  Rowena Gates: It's a great antioxidant and antioxidants are critical and that's where a lot of your work related to food is making sure that antioxidant defense is in place.
• 22:03
  Rowena Gates: And the nanophyte is not actually antioxidant, even though it can prevent damage, however it repairs damage.
• 22:11
  Rowena Gates: And antioxidants can't do that.
• 22:14
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 22:15
  Rowena Gates: So they're perfectly complementary.
• 22:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Amazing.
• 22:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So what was the most surprising thing in your time, how long have you been with the company?
• 22:23
  Rowena Gates: Since the beginning.
• 22:24
  Rowena Gates: And we've been working on this for about 8, 18 years.
• 22:30
  Rowena Gates: But it took a number of years to get it released and.
• 22:37
  Rowena Gates: Yeah, so.
• 22:38
  Rowena Gates: So it's been a while.
• 22:39
  Rowena Gates: We have a lot of breadth of experience.
• 22:42
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 22:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And for.
• 22:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I remember you telling me this is like a medical device.
• 22:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 22:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Like it's approved.
• 22:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So as far as carrying it through the airport and thing, it's considered a medical device.
• 22:51
  Rowena Gates: It is.
• 22:52
  Rowena Gates: And it's registered in Europe, the uk, Switzer, US and yeah.
• 23:00
  Rowena Gates: You can, you can take it as an extra carry on and you can take it in checked luggage and you don't have to pay.
• 23:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, goodness.
• 23:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You know, it's funny because I remember you saying that I get real excited because I already pack a lot and I'm like, okay, that's cool.
• 23:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If I ever want to take it with me.
• 23:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That's amazing.
• 23:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I ask about your experience.
• 23:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: 18 Years.
• 23:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And those 18 years, what.
• 23:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: What are some of the most powerful testimonies you've heard from people who've used the device?
• 23:24
  Rowena Gates: There are a number of them that are related to chronic illness, but I think some of them are people like our mutual friend, that it's much better concentration, focus and brain endurance.
• 23:40
  Rowena Gates: And that's another one where I'll just use 40 years of sin.
• 23:44
  Rowena Gates: Because they have the nanov paired with the brain training that's really stressing the system.
• 23:50
  Rowena Gates: And they have the same kind of result where people get much better scores if they're using the nanov while they're doing that brain training.
• 23:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Wow.
• 23:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Okay, I love that.
• 23:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I'm going to pause there really quick because that's so important.
• 24:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So you're saying some program like 40 years of Zen or when you are like intensely learning a new protocol or they're getting better results and this is a meditation program which makes so much sense, that how cool is that?
• 24:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That when you pair the nanov they're getting Much better outcomes for the training or teaching or meditation or programming.
• 24:20
  Rowena Gates: Right, right.
• 24:21
  Rowena Gates: And that's actually one where an example of that is I remember when I first met Dave Aspr, he was talking about using the anatomy at night so he could write his book because he was doing it late at night.
• 24:35
  Rowena Gates: And that was.
• 24:37
  Rowena Gates: That kind of saved him.
• 24:38
  Rowena Gates: Well, that's brain endurance.
• 24:40
  Rowena Gates: You need that endurance.
• 24:42
  Rowena Gates: And so that was one story there.
• 24:46
  Rowena Gates: But then there's also that weightlifters and athletes like Roger Snipes is one, or Ben Pakulski or Wade Lightheart are all in our space.
• 25:00
  Rowena Gates: And all of them have that same experience of being able to build muscle, recover faster.
• 25:06
  Rowena Gates: And they each have their own stories.
• 25:08
  Rowena Gates: And I actually have some of them on recording, but I can't quote them at this point.
• 25:13
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Sure, sure.
• 25:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's just amazing.
• 25:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I know you have a lot on your website too, with just testimonies and it seems like if I just remember the pictures on the website and some of the testimonials.
• 25:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Does it have a place in cancer?
• 25:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And have you had any testimonies of patients who've used it in that state for cancer?
• 25:30
  Rowena Gates: It's really a recovery device and it's interesting.
• 25:34
  Rowena Gates: It comes up so often and it can be super beneficial to get your mitochondrial function back after certain interventions.
• 25:44
  Rowena Gates: But it's really important that people work with their oncologist.
• 25:50
  Rowena Gates: You don't want to use restorative foods or technologies or whatever while it's the active phase.
• 25:58
  Rowena Gates: And so it's less and less clear of when that is.
• 26:02
  Rowena Gates: So you really have to check on that.
• 26:04
  Rowena Gates: However, where we have seen really good results are when you can assume there's double strand DNA damage.
• 26:12
  Rowena Gates: And we have a small study done at an Olympic training center in endurance athletes because they're overstressing their bodies and that shows significantly less double strand DNA damage when the nanov is used.
• 26:28
  Rowena Gates: So that is going to also be helpful if you've undergone any kind of a treatment that has the potential to do that kind of harm.
• 26:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, that makes a lot of sense.
• 26:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So like for me, 25 years ago I had breast cancer and then I had three drug chemotherapy, radiation, like lots of oxidative stress and damage.
• 26:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That would have been a great intervention once I finished all the treatment and was in remission to restore and had no hair.
• 26:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You know, it's the whole work.
• 26:53
  Rowena Gates: Did you feel really tired, like.
• 26:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yes, yes, yes.
• 26:57
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I think it took me two years.
• 26:58
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: People eyes are like, oh, the chemo.
• 27:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 27:01
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It took me a long time to recover from the chemo, it was really intense.
• 27:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Maybe one of the hardest things I've ever gone through.
• 27:09
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 27:09
  Rowena Gates: And that's probably because your DNA had a lot of recovery to kind of dig out of that hole.
• 27:15
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 27:16
  Rowena Gates: But that, we do see that.
• 27:17
  Rowena Gates: But it's really regenerative and recovery.
• 27:20
  Rowena Gates: It's not a treatment for any disease, obviously.
• 27:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right, absolutely.
• 27:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And what makes sense to me is I treat a lot of environmental toxicity and mold related illness and radiation from AMFs and things like excessive plastics and parabens and all this stuff, which is just toxins for our system.
• 27:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It makes a lot of sense to me that this would go alongside any treatments in those realms because a lot of that creates oxidative stress, damage to the DNA and all of this, and brain fog and fatigue and all these things you're talking about.
• 27:52
  Rowena Gates: And, and we have examples of that.
• 27:55
  Rowena Gates: And one for one woman, it was seizures.
• 27:58
  Rowena Gates: Wow.
• 27:58
  Rowena Gates: You know, it's not trivial of what this can do to you, but often it's.
• 28:04
  Rowena Gates: It's the fatigue.
• 28:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 28:05
  Rowena Gates: That people are noticing.
• 28:07
  Rowena Gates: And just a hint to anybody out there, if you change all the light bulbs in your house all at once and then you feel sick.
• 28:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 28:15
  Rowena Gates: Check that.
• 28:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 28:18
  Rowena Gates: But I've.
• 28:19
  Rowena Gates: We've seen it happen a couple times where it was simply the light bulbs.
• 28:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Interesting.
• 28:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I was just.
• 28:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I've been looking at homes and I've seen a lot of homes because a lot of them are moldy.
• 28:28
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so I've, you know, go from home to home.
• 28:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I would say maybe 80% of the houses I've seen in the last three months have mold or water damage or EMFs and something that.
• 28:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I love the solar power.
• 28:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And some of these houses are now doing the solar panels on the roof, which is amazing.
• 28:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: However, there's a real detriment to that EMF on the body.
• 28:47
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And sometimes depending on how they're laid out and how the electricity is run, they can create a lot of dirty electricity.
• 28:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And you can measure this with a building biologist.
• 28:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And this would be another thing if you have a smart meter or dirty electricity or a lot of EMFs.
• 29:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I found in my own condo, I measured here and I have an actual RF meter.
• 29:06
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And the things like the Sonos, which is that high fidelity wireless sound.
• 29:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I love my Sonos.
• 29:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It was putting off like hundreds of thousands of radio frequency, like really high.
• 29:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So it's interesting the things we don't even think about.
• 29:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Like my Sonos sound system is putting out a lot of things, a lot of energy that could be actually hurting My DNA.
• 29:28
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 29:28
  Rowena Gates: And we have to.
• 29:30
  Rowena Gates: As a medical device, we've been through all that testing.
• 29:33
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Amazing.
• 29:33
  Rowena Gates: So because that is an issue for.
• 29:36
  Rowena Gates: You can't be outputting a bunch of stuff in a medical environment because you could mess up the.
• 29:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 29:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 29:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You're saying your device is not putting off any dirty electricity, which is what I.
• 29:46
  Rowena Gates: Right.
• 29:47
  Rowena Gates: And so it has to meet that standard.
• 29:49
  Rowena Gates: And.
• 29:49
  Rowena Gates: And a lot of other standards as well.
• 29:51
  Rowena Gates: But that was one of them and it should be.
• 29:54
  Rowena Gates: And.
• 29:55
  Rowena Gates: And that's.
• 29:56
  Rowena Gates: That's always a consideration when you have a technology sitting there.
• 30:02
  Rowena Gates: It's.
• 30:03
  Rowena Gates: You want to only doing the good.
• 30:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Exactly.
• 30:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Now, I have a lot of people have asked me about certain saunas or different other devices, and some of them actually do emit a decent amount of emf, and that's a very big negative.
• 30:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You know, you might be getting this therapy, but if you're sitting by the outlet and getting all radiated with that emf, it's a whole nother story.
• 30:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Well, I just believe that as our bodies are in this toxic world and we have more EMFs, and we have more chemicals and we have more stress psychologically, and we still want to perform and do all the things we do.
• 30:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Things like this are game changers.
• 30:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And that's one reason I was so excited to have you on, because I've had it for about three months, been able to use it, and actually now I can be on saying, yes, guys, I love this device.
• 30:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I hope that some of you will check it out.
• 30:46
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If you're really, like looking for a new way to.
• 30:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Very gently and powerfully.
• 30:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That's what I love.
• 30:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I feel like it's like the most of the gentle like.
• 30:56
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: In fact, I should ask you next, is there anyone who could, like, be harmed by this?
• 31:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Is there any contraindications at all?
• 31:03
  Rowena Gates: There are no contraindications, but you deal with a lot of people.
• 31:06
  Rowena Gates: If they've got Lyme or serious mold toxicity and so on, they should start slowly and build up because it does help with the cellular detox, which is great.
• 31:16
  Rowena Gates: That's the hard part, however, you don't want to overload the elimination channels.
• 31:22
  Rowena Gates: So you want to go slowly enough that the person stays comfortable.
• 31:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Okay.
• 31:27
  Rowena Gates: But it's not a contraindication.
• 31:29
  Rowena Gates: It's a good thing.
• 31:29
  Rowena Gates: You just don't want a healing cross overdo it.
• 31:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And that makes so much sense because if you think about those little cells, you know, floating around in their fluid, and we're making that fluid more healthy, so much at the core of health and wellness and even Exercise physiology and food is medicine.
• 31:43
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And all of this is that little cell is making proteins, doing its little job, cooking little recipes, and it's also giving out debris and garbage.
• 31:53
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Like it has to take the waste.
• 31:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So that fluid that surrounds the cell is part of where we eliminate that waste and lymphatics take it.
• 31:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So in my mind, as you describe the mechanism of action of the nanov, it makes perfect sense that it might ramp up that ability for that cell to get rid of its garbage.
• 32:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 32:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Take out the garbage right into that fluid and then.
• 32:11
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But if you're, I would say we mobilize toxins and that's crucial.
• 32:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But if we aren't eliminating them and the routes of elimination aren't clean and clear, so say your lymphatic pathways are all gunked up or you haven't moved in a long time, you might be upregulating that cellular little happy cell throwing out its garbage so that you're healthier.
• 32:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But if you don't have those pathways to eliminate.
• 32:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So it makes a lot of sense to me that you'd want to be a little cautious when you start if you're super toxic.
• 32:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 32:37
  Rowena Gates: And people like Lyme was a huge one for us, huge percentage of people, because some of the key Lyme physicians were recommending it and they were often, you know, carrying a lot of toxicity and the last thing they need is to have a healing crisis.
• 32:58
  Rowena Gates: And also if they, if you stir it up too much, it can end up in joints and places.
• 33:05
  Rowena Gates: You don't want that, you know.
• 33:07
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 33:07
  Rowena Gates: Extra problems.
• 33:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So, so just go slow.
• 33:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If you're, if you're starting, I will say it's interesting.
• 33:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: When I first got it, I think I told you this.
• 33:14
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I did the first session and I have the pro, which is amazing.
• 33:18
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And 15 minutes is like worth 30 of the other devices, I think.
• 33:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So it's, you don't need a lot of time.
• 33:22
  Rowena Gates: You have the exo, you have the big one.
• 33:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, the exo.
• 33:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I have superpower.
• 33:26
  Rowena Gates: And.
• 33:27
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And so I was like, oh, I'll do like 20 minutes.
• 33:29
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I did more than ever, you know, and that very first time, maybe in the second, I definitely felt a little tired.
• 33:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Now that's gone, I feel amazing.
• 33:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It was very short lived, but I think I even asked, I said, is this normal?
• 33:39
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And now that I understand why, because I've definitely continued to detox and I have very poor detox pathways.
• 33:45
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I probably just was like always I overdo a good thing, right?
• 33:50
  Rowena Gates: Or some people are kind of close to burning out and they.
• 33:53
  Rowena Gates: It can kind of knock them out because their body's so desperate to put them.
• 33:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Exactly, exactly.
• 34:00
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So start slow if you're.
• 34:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But I just really love the work that you're doing.
• 34:04
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I love this device and I was just absolutely delighted to bring it to my listeners.
• 34:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We also with your help created a page if you want guys want to know more.
• 34:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: This will be in the links to the show notes and everything.
• 34:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So you don't have to remember this if you're driving in your car running and listening to the podcast.
• 34:19
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's their website is www.eng3.com Dr. Jill.
• 34:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So you'll find all the specials and offers and everything there in the three different devices.
• 34:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Maybe you could just briefly tell us what you have three different devices.
• 34:34
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So if someone wants entry level or wants the amazing Cadillac that I have, tell us a little bit more about your three devices.
• 34:40
  Rowena Gates: So.
• 34:40
  Rowena Gates: So Dr. Jill's Cadillac has three of these excitation wavelengths.
• 34:46
  Rowena Gates: So it's much more powerful.
• 34:48
  Rowena Gates: It's got the high end technology in it.
• 34:50
  Rowena Gates: The next one down does not have that.
• 34:54
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And give the names too.
• 34:55
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So people want to go.
• 34:56
  Rowena Gates: So Dr. Jill has the exo.
• 34:59
  Rowena Gates: The next one is the pro and it's got two of the excitation wavelengths and it has more of them than the Eco, which is the least powerful one has two wavelengths but fewer excitation chambers.
• 35:14
  Rowena Gates: And so it's not as powerful as the Pro.
• 35:18
  Rowena Gates: And so they kind of stage where the.
• 35:21
  Rowena Gates: The most powerful one, the EXO is a different technology in there.
• 35:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Okay.
• 35:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But I do love, I really also love that sometimes, you know, the inaccessibility of the Cadillac is like, oh, I can't afford that.
• 35:32
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But you've different versions and they all work, they're different power.
• 35:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But the great thing is even if you can afford just the basic, it's a great way to get started on this.
• 35:41
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I think it's.
• 35:42
  Rowena Gates: And we do have people that get the basic and then they upgrade.
• 35:45
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 35:46
  Rowena Gates: Because what happens.
• 35:48
  Rowena Gates: And, and I should mention this.
• 35:50
  Rowena Gates: This isn't a one person device.
• 35:52
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Yeah.
• 35:52
  Rowena Gates: This.
• 35:53
  Rowena Gates: The whole family can use this.
• 35:54
  Rowena Gates: The neighbors can use it.
• 35:55
  Rowena Gates: And that device that Dr. Jill has is spec for a minimum.
• 36:01
  Rowena Gates: The.
• 36:01
  Rowena Gates: The least of all parts is spec for 40,000 sessions.
• 36:06
  Rowena Gates: Wow.
• 36:07
  Rowena Gates: So you don't.
• 36:08
  Rowena Gates: It's German engineering.
• 36:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
• 36:10
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: The best.
• 36:11
  Rowena Gates: It's.
• 36:12
  Rowena Gates: You don't have to worry about wearing it out.
• 36:15
  Rowena Gates: You can share it.
• 36:15
  Rowena Gates: Which is.
• 36:16
  Rowena Gates: That makes it very economical compared to, you know, a lot of therapies that have this ongoing cost and everybody in the Family has an additional cost, then it becomes much more economical.
• 36:31
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: That's what's great, is again, if you have a partner, spouse, children, everybody can use it.
• 36:36
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I have thought about bringing it to my office and offering it to patients.
• 36:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I haven't done that yet because I like having it here at home.
• 36:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But I'm sure practitioners who are out there could also get these devices for their offices.
• 36:45
  Rowena Gates: They do.
• 36:46
  Rowena Gates: We have a lot in.
• 36:48
  Rowena Gates: In offices that's very common.
• 36:50
  Rowena Gates: And it.
• 36:51
  Rowena Gates: Because it balances the autonomic nervous system.
• 36:54
  Rowena Gates: Some will use it when a person comes in for consultation because if they're really ill, they can be also rather stressed and they're going to get a better outcome, better interaction if they just calm down and, you know, and breathe a little.
• 37:09
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right, right.
• 37:10
  Rowena Gates: And so that's.
• 37:11
  Rowena Gates: But then it's paired with all of these other interventions and it's complementary to every one of them.
• 37:19
  Rowena Gates: So it will make the.
• 37:21
  Rowena Gates: Whatever the other therapy is work better.
• 37:24
  Rowena Gates: And a good example of that is peptides.
• 37:26
  Rowena Gates: Yes, because peptides are just smaller proteins.
• 37:30
  Rowena Gates: Some of them work exactly the same way as the proteins.
• 37:33
  Rowena Gates: They just have a fewer amino acids.
• 37:36
  Rowena Gates: And then some of them work quite differently.
• 37:38
  Rowena Gates: And they're transient and they just have one little job and then they go off and they have to be versatile and they go to another job and they're signaling and they're, you know, their hormones activity or enzymes or binding or whatever that is.
• 37:54
  Rowena Gates: And so if you're doing a peptide therapy, typically they're not inexpensive.
• 38:02
  Rowena Gates: It's like, we'll make them work better.
• 38:04
  Rowena Gates: You know, it's such a logical fit.
• 38:08
  Rowena Gates: And so it works with any of those protocols, but also with the other devices you'd find in a center.
• 38:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Rowena, that really excites me because that's one of my favorite things is peptides and some of these new powerful things.
• 38:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And then the fact that, like you said, I mean, I use peptides myself.
• 38:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: We've talked about that on the show before.
• 38:25
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If you haven't, check some of those episodes out on peptides that have been out in the last month or two.
• 38:30
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: But I really love that, and I do use peptides, but I love that this is actually enhancing the effectiveness of that.
• 38:37
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And I can tell a difference in my focus and energy.
• 38:40
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So personally, I've been really excited to see the benefits and you promised me, so you were absolutely right.
• 38:47
  Rowena Gates: Well, the peptides, you know, we always talk about the soil is planting the seeds, which is a great analogy.
• 38:55
  Rowena Gates: With peptides, you're planting very expensive Shrubbery.
• 38:59
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right.
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  Rowena Gates: And you're doing a new shrubbery every month.
• 39:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Right, Right.
• 39:04
  Rowena Gates: And so make it work better, get better soil.
• 39:07
  Rowena Gates: Yeah.
• 39:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And again, the great thing, this device is going to last 40, 000 times and it's going to be here.
• 39:12
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So once I invest in it year, I can use it every day.
• 39:15
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I do.
• 39:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I have it.
• 39:16
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Like I said, it should show you guys listening that I have it right beside me in my recording studio, in my office.
• 39:21
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Because I do love using it.
• 39:23
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's so easy.
• 39:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: It's just like a no brainer.
• 39:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Well, Rowena, I'm certainly glad you partnered with the German engineer 18 years ago because it's been really interesting and exciting to see things like this that are so safe and so powerful and I think we need more of that kind of therapy, you know, other than like you said, the very targeted drug interventions and things that can do more harm.
• 39:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I am absolutely delighted to be presenting this and I hope that you guys, if you're listening and have questions, put them in the comments.
• 39:49
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I will come back and answer those.
• 39:51
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: And like I said, we created a landing page for you.
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  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Www.eng3.com Dr. Jill, you can get information and check it out there.
• 40:02
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: If people want to know more, that's probably the best site to visit.
• 40:05
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Is there anything else that we haven't discussed that you feel like people would really want to know before they might want to purchase something like this?
• 40:12
  Rowena Gates: One thing I would mention is if you go to that site, we've got study results that we can't just publish at our website.
• 40:19
  Rowena Gates: So it's kind of important to go to that page.
• 40:23
  Rowena Gates: And it's also safe to sign in on that page if you want to get more study results and information.
• 40:29
  Rowena Gates: Because we only use it to give quality, high value information.
• 40:33
  Rowena Gates: We don't use it to just push marketing out to people.
• 40:36
  Rowena Gates: So I would say you're safe to sign in there.
• 40:38
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Oh, I love that and I love it because I love bringing education to the world.
• 40:42
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I feel like I can be a little tiny part of this.
• 40:44
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So again, you'll have that website in the show notes.
• 40:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Eng3.com Dr. Jill, Rowena, what a pleasure to talk to you at a more in depth level and again, just grateful for your work in the world.
• 40:58
  Rowena Gates: Oh, I so appreciate what you're doing and the time we've had together.
• 41:02
  Rowena Gates: Thank you.
• 41:03
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Hey guys, hope you enjoyed that great episode with Rowena from nanov.
• 41:08
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: I've really enjoyed using this device and found it has improved my energy, concentration and focus and I always love bringing to the world the things that are helping me perform better.
• 41:17
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: This is one of those really cool European technology devices that I have been just blown away, really, to be honest.
• 41:24
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: So I hope you'll check it out.
• 41:26
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: You can go to www.eng3.com Dr. Jill to find out more and get all that scientific information.
• 41:33
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• 41:42
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• 41:44
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• 41:48
  Dr. Jill Carnahan, MD: Until then, be well.