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Chad _Ochocinco_ Johnson _ This Past Weekend w_ Theo Von _583(M4A_128K) · Drawn of History

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  Speaker 1: And we've got some new tour dates to tell you about.
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  Speaker 1: of those shows coming up in June, July, and August. TheoVon.com
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  Speaker 1: slash T-O-U-R. It's the Return of the Rat Tour. It's
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  Speaker 1: almost over. And thank you guys so much for your support.
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  Speaker 1: Today's guest is a former NFL wide receiver. He's a commentator.
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  Speaker 1: He's a podcast host and many other things. He has
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  Speaker 1: a show called Nightcap with Shannon Sharp. He had a
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  Speaker 1: huge career with the Cincinnati Bengals. He's an energy, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm grateful to spend time today with Mr. Chad Ochocinco.
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  Speaker 1: John Cena. Thanks for coming, Chad. You feel okay with
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  Speaker 1: just getting into it? Anything you want to talk about
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  Speaker 1: or don't want.
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  Speaker 2: To talk about? Like having sex. Get into it.
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  Speaker 3: Damn.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have rules. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: I'm just as crazy as you are.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: If you ask, you're ready for an answer.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh. Well... Okay, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: God damn, I look good.
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  Speaker 1: You coming in a little dark, huh? How dark are I?
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  Speaker 1: Do y'all do a, is there like a?
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  Speaker 2: I can smoke because you put that right there.
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  Speaker 1: It's fine with me.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we got it. I mean, will that
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  Speaker 1: thing go off, you think?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not enough smoke. Did you do F1 last weekend? Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I had to go shake some hands, smiles, get a
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  Speaker 2: few deals done. I'm not much of a F1 guy. NASCAR,
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  Speaker 2: now we talking. NASCAR is where it's at. Especially for
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  Speaker 2: first dates.
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  Speaker 1: Go to NASCAR? What? Some of this shit.
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  Speaker 2: A woman that's never been to NASCAR and you sit
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  Speaker 2: in the stands? Oh, awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I got to do something like that. I used to
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  Speaker 1: take girls, when I lived in Tucson, I'd take them
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  Speaker 1: over to the dog track over there. Greyhounds? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They had a Greyhound track still in Tucson?
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  Speaker 1: It had a greyhound track. This is probably about 16
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  Speaker 1: years ago.
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  Speaker 2: We got the greyhound track here, too. Horse track. I
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  Speaker 2: love that, man.
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  Speaker 1: You got any nice animals at the house? No.
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  Speaker 2: I travel too much for pets. And I can't deal
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  Speaker 2: with death. I don't handle death well.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish. Sometimes I love to see animals compete
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  Speaker 1: against each other.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I love that shit, man. They had a baby race
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  Speaker 1: the other day at a college game. Crawling? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny. I saw some time when they do it
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  Speaker 2: at NBA games, and the baby's crawling.
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  Speaker 1: I bet on them. You ever had that game? Dude,
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  Speaker 1: I put 1,100 on a four-month-old baby.
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  Speaker 2: For real?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. A fast little Filipino four-month-old.
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  Speaker 2: Look, look, look. This is dope.
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  Speaker 1: I put half a rack on that bitch. Oh, that's it.
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  Speaker 2: That is funny.
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  Speaker 1: Dang. Look at that one baby stalled out. Got dementia. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: they cheating there.
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  Speaker 2: Stop reaching across the line.
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  Speaker 1: That's why I don't like that. That's the rules of change.
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  Speaker 1: And look at this little one. Damn, he turning around.
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  Speaker 2: Wrong way, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: He want a new contract. He just hit the portal.
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  Speaker 1: He's heading back to his stepdad.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, they're going the wrong way.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, that one can't handle it. Yeah, now they got
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  Speaker 1: that little Filipino bad boy up top.
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  Speaker 2: There it is.
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  Speaker 1: That's Puka Nakua right there up top, baby. He about
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  Speaker 1: to hit the finish line.
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  Speaker 2: That's funny.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel like it was probably, when you look
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  Speaker 1: at the players today, do you feel like it was
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  Speaker 1: easier for them to be able to pick up stats?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the game has changed. The game has evolved
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  Speaker 2: a lot. Obviously, from a receiver standpoint, they They throw
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  Speaker 2: the ball much more, much more. The era I played in,
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  Speaker 2: it was more about running the ball to open up
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  Speaker 2: the pass. So they definitely, I mean, it's a different average.
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  Speaker 2: They have an added game, too. So it was much
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  Speaker 2: more difficult. And the game is a little bit more
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  Speaker 2: lenient in favor of the offensive side because defensive defenders
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  Speaker 2: really can't do anything. You can't hit. They throw flags
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  Speaker 2: for everything. You get fined for everything. I think my
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  Speaker 2: era and the era before me, football in general back
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  Speaker 2: then was the true definition of football. I mean, it's
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  Speaker 2: a gladiator sport.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Why do you think they softened up
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  Speaker 1: the rules like that? Why do you think they made
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  Speaker 1: it like that?
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  Speaker 2: Honestly, the truth. I forgot what era it was when
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  Speaker 2: they sued the NFL for all the injuries, all the
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  Speaker 2: trauma that players have suffered in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And they won the lawsuit. It might have been a
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  Speaker 2: billion or something like that. And they had no choice
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  Speaker 2: but to. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The National Football League was sued for failing to protect
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  Speaker 1: players from head injuries, which can lead to CTE starting
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  Speaker 1: in 2011. In 2012, a class action lawsuit was filed
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  Speaker 1: to consolidate number 4,500 former player cases. So they settled that, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they won.
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  Speaker 1: Damn.
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  Speaker 2: Those players won, and that's why the rules are what
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  Speaker 2: they are today. I know they always preach about player safety,
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  Speaker 2: but that's, I mean, player safety is cool. It's understandable.
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  Speaker 2: But players have gotten faster, stronger, bigger. The dimensions of
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  Speaker 2: the field haven't changed at all. So therefore, injuries are
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  Speaker 2: still going to happen. Concussions are still going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way to prevent that. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It's impossible.
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  Speaker 2: It's impossible.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because that's part of it. You can't just stop
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  Speaker 1: that from happening.
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  Speaker 2: It is part of it. You know what you signed
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  Speaker 2: up for. You know what you signed up for when
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  Speaker 2: you make it as a 1% in the NFL. It's
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  Speaker 2: a gladiator sport. It's barbaric.
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  Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a bummer because you don't
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  Speaker 1: really get as many. There's not enough defensive cornerbacks and safeties.
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  Speaker 1: They don't really get enough love then because you don't
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  Speaker 1: even get to know them as much because they can't
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  Speaker 1: play as much defense. Does that make sense?
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  Speaker 2: A little bit, but some of them have made a
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  Speaker 2: name for themselves that are really good. Really, really good.
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  Speaker 2: The Jalen Ramseys and McDuffie and, let me see, I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to run some of these DBs off. Sauce Gardner,
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  Speaker 2: Derek Stingley. Some dudes are really good, regardless of the
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  Speaker 2: game changing the way it has. Pat Sertain, Lazarius Sneed,
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  Speaker 2: really good. Jalen Johnson, good. Young dude, Christian Gonzalez with
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  Speaker 2: the Patriots. Man, hey, he's an animal.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: He's an animal. And there's another young fella.
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  Speaker 1: Latino right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's another young fella in, damn it, Horn from
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  Speaker 2: the Panthers is really good as well.
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  Speaker 1: Joe Horn's son?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Joe Horn. He is nice.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: So despite the rules being what they are, they've gotten
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  Speaker 2: so good technically. you know, trying to adapt to the rules.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Some of them stand out.
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  Speaker 1: But it feels like there can't really be that beast
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  Speaker 1: out there that's just like clapping dudes down.
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  Speaker 2: No, you can't. You can't. And the first thing that
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  Speaker 2: comes to mind is the safety or maybe linebacker from
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  Speaker 2: the Texans who got suspended. He got suspended maybe once
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  Speaker 2: or twice because he plays like he's back in the
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  Speaker 2: old days.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Who is it?
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  Speaker 2: Al Shazier, Shazier, something like that.
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  Speaker 1: Al Jazeera? Not him.
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  Speaker 2: Who is it? I don't know how to say his
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  Speaker 2: name the right way. Aziz Alshayer. Aziz Alshayer, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah. He's an op, bro. He's working for
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  Speaker 1: the Middle East over here. He's over here doing some shit.
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  Speaker 2: He plays football the way football should be played.
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  Speaker 1: Hell yeah. Hell yeah. I got to get his jersey, man.
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  Speaker 2: He's good. He's really good.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, there's not like that Ronnie Lott guy. You
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  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? They just don't have those bangers.
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  Speaker 1: Who was the guy that played for Denver that was
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  Speaker 1: just a banger back there?
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  Speaker 2: Steve Atwater.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Steve Atwater, Bob Sanders. Oh, he's old school.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's old school. And obviously, right there, players should have
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  Speaker 2: slid early. Slide early.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think about the slide, man? Because honestly,
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  Speaker 1: as a fan, it doesn't even make it fun. If
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  Speaker 1: the guy's running, you know he's going to slide. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: It just seems... I don't know. You would almost rather...
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  Speaker 1: Don't do this play or somebody get hit.
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  Speaker 2: Not really. And just slide early. You know the guys
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  Speaker 2: are coming. They're much faster than you, especially quarterbacks. They're
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  Speaker 2: much faster than you. And Mahomes is one who's really
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  Speaker 2: tricky as he'll purposely slide late to get a penalty.
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  Speaker 2: He does it all the time. Sometimes he'll pretend like
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  Speaker 2: he's going down or going to step out of bounds
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  Speaker 2: and stay in just a little bit, just a tad
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  Speaker 2: second longer just to get a flag thrown.
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  Speaker 1: God, he's lingering.
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  Speaker 2: Offensive players are using the rules to their advantage. And
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  Speaker 2: it puts the defensive players in a pickle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. But it builds it up. People want stats. People
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  Speaker 1: want to see the scoring. Yeah, yeah. So I guess
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  Speaker 1: it's just a sign of the times. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: it can ever swing back the other way, or do
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  Speaker 1: you think that the legal issues and stuff are going
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  Speaker 1: to keep it out of that?
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. It will never swing back the other way.
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  Speaker 2: Because the NFL, they have to protect themselves. They got
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  Speaker 2: to protect the shield and protect the players on the
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  Speaker 2: back end.
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  Speaker 1: Was it tough on your team when you play with
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  Speaker 1: the Bengals? I know you play with a couple of
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  Speaker 1: different teams, but with any team, is it fun for
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  Speaker 1: a receiver if they're running, bro? Is it even fun?
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  Speaker 1: You have to pretend that they're going to pass?
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  Speaker 2: No, because I like to call myself an all-around player
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  Speaker 2: outside of just catching the balls because there were certain
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  Speaker 2: things I already knew I would have two people on
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  Speaker 2: me every time. So that opened up the running game.
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  Speaker 2: So I had no problem. So if you open up
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  Speaker 2: the running game and the running game is doing well,
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  Speaker 2: then they have to take a safety and get him
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  Speaker 2: up off of me and bring him down in the
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  Speaker 2: box and Now I get to cook. So I look
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  Speaker 2: at it that way.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think a lot of players look at it
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  Speaker 1: that way?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not. I knew I would get mine no matter
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  Speaker 2: what because I was the number one receiver. So at
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  Speaker 2: some point, the ball was going to get to me.
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  Speaker 2: But then you have some games you go into and
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  Speaker 2: a team will say, you know what? Today, 85. is
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  Speaker 2: not beating us. It's going to have to be somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: And those games, you know, you do the best you
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  Speaker 2: can to keep your composure. It gets frustrating at times.
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  Speaker 2: You're out there just getting cardio in.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But you're going to have games like that.
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  Speaker 1: So if somebody, if you know your team is running, right,
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  Speaker 1: but you still have to pretend like they're going to pass, right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Always, always. And I'm rarely really ever
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  Speaker 2: was lackadaisical because i understood what i mean to us
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  Speaker 2: offensively even when i wouldn't get the ball.
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  Speaker 1: Right like even if you're saying if they think they're
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  Speaker 1: gonna have to keep an eye and if his eyes
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  Speaker 1: over here it's not over here in the box.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah most definitely most definitely so i run them.
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  Speaker 1: Off um and was that still fun too even on
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  Speaker 1: those plays it's still fun i.
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  Speaker 2: Made it fun i had to because i used that
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  Speaker 2: time to talk shit yeah can you curse.
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  Speaker 1: Huh okay i'm sorry okay cool You can talk shit, dude.
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  Speaker 1: Who's the darkest dude you ever seen in the NFL, man?
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  Speaker 1: Like the darkest skin guy. Darkest. Because sometimes you see
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  Speaker 1: a guy like that. I've been even with my black
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  Speaker 1: friends and we'll see like a dude that is. And
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  Speaker 1: they're like, dang.
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  Speaker 2: That's a good question.
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  Speaker 1: My black friend be like, damn, you see that black guy?
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, dude. But for you to say that,
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  Speaker 1: that's a remarkable.
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  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. I can't think. I'm dark my
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  Speaker 2: damn self.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you come, yeah, I definitely think you come in a,
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  Speaker 1: people would consider you dark.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, very, very. I'm trying to get darker.
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  Speaker 1: Are you?
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  Speaker 2: I used to tan.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I used to go to the tanning bed.
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  Speaker 1: Did you? Damn.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, butt naked, just to even everything out. I like it.
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  Speaker 1: Because are there parts, say if you're a, and I've
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  Speaker 1: never seen a, I've never seen a full, I don't think, naked,
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  Speaker 1: darker male, right? Right. Is there parts of your body
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  Speaker 1: that are not as dark?
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  Speaker 2: You know what? Sometimes I would like the chest and
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  Speaker 2: the neck area to match. And sometimes it doesn't. I
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  Speaker 2: don't like that because it's always covered. I want my legs, chest,
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  Speaker 2: and everything one, like, chocolate, dark, go diva, Willy Wonka
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  Speaker 2: type complexion.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like them, what's them little things that they give
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  Speaker 1: you sometimes at a hotel somewhere nice?
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  Speaker 2: The little chocolates?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, the ones that are wrapped, but sometimes they're red,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they're blue, sometimes it's gold.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, the little mint. I know what you're talking about.
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  Speaker 1: What are they called? L'Adore. Oh, no. L'Adore. Yeah, them
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  Speaker 1: Lindor truffles, baby.
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  Speaker 2: Damn. I like those.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, buh. That's what I'm saying, dude. If you had your... Bro,
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  Speaker 1: if they had Chad Johnson Lindor truffle... That's a good one. Bro,
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  Speaker 1: that's an elite candy. Look at them bitches. They wrapped
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  Speaker 1: up real nice. God, they wearing a damn... Just a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful panty they got them wrapped in.
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  Speaker 2: $ 70.
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  Speaker 1: God, that's expensive. Look at that. Them Lindor Changemakers, $ 320. What?
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  Speaker 1: For one? Or the package... Bro, that's all I'm saying. Bro,
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  Speaker 1: if they had Chad Johnson Chocolates.
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  Speaker 2: That'd be dope.
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  Speaker 1: It's a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: I got to look into that.
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  Speaker 1: Have you done some business ventures? Like, what's something you
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  Speaker 1: ever got into? Because people get into something wild, you know?
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  Speaker 1: Different people get into different stuff. Joe Horn had a
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  Speaker 1: hot sauce or a barbecue sauce. Remember, he went big
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  Speaker 1: on barbecue. Yeah. I'm trying to think of guys from
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  Speaker 1: your time that had something wild. I mean, I was
• 13:03
  Speaker 1: a New Orleans guy, so I know Deuce McAllister had, like,
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  Speaker 1: a car dealership.
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  Speaker 2: Well, for me, it would be cigars. Oh, really? 85 cigars. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: You have a brand of them? Yeah. Oh, bet I
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  Speaker 1: didn't even know, man.
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  Speaker 2: I'm a year six. 85, a number five, and boom.
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  Speaker 2: There they go.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Boy, them bitches give you a long CTE, huh?
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  Speaker 2: Listen, that's all I do. I've never had alcohol.
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  Speaker 1: Really?
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  Speaker 2: Never. So anytime I have a cigar, I always pair
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  Speaker 2: it with my coffee. I've just finished my coffee.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I've never had alcohol. No drugs. Never done anything but cigars.
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  Speaker 2: I've been smoking since 1991. Since 91. I smoked two
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  Speaker 2: or three a day. And this is actually even when
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  Speaker 2: I was playing. When I was playing, I would smoke.
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  Speaker 2: Whether we lost, whether we won.
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  Speaker 1: Because what is it? What is it? Just like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what is it? Because that's a pretty kind of a
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  Speaker 1: real relationship with something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely. It's all about the taste. It's all
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  Speaker 2: about the taste. And I'm a fan of really all cigars,
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  Speaker 2: whether they're mild, strong, peppery, smooth. It doesn't matter. I'm
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  Speaker 2: a cigar enthusiast.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. God, I remember I used to work for
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  Speaker 1: this rich guy, and sometimes he would call me in there.
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  Speaker 1: He would be drunk, and the other ladies that worked there,
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  Speaker 1: I was at an insurance company. They had gone home,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just the guy who was doing the
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  Speaker 1: filings and stuff and mailing things, and he'd be drunk,
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  Speaker 1: and he'd call me to listen to him because he
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  Speaker 1: just wanted to just be rich and have somebody hear
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  Speaker 1: him be rich. So he was sitting there with a
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  Speaker 1: big cigar, and he tried to get me to hit
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  Speaker 1: them bitches a couple times. God. I just couldn't handle
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  Speaker 1: some of it. I mean, my hands swell up. One
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  Speaker 1: of them made my hands real straight. I think he
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: was smoking some shit that they had, you know, they'd
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: put some other shit in it at the house or whatever.
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: Because I couldn't even bend my hands for almost 40
• 14:50
  Speaker 1: minutes after smoking them bitches.
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: Did you inhale?
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: Huh?
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: Did you inhale?
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I tried my best, man.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: You're not supposed to inhale. You're supposed to taste it. Oh,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I like to hit that bitch. Cigars, it's an acquired taste.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And he didn't teach me like that. He just like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: He just gave it to you?
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He was complaining, something, you know, the oil
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: or whatever. And I was, and I did, I had
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: to finish filing that afternoon, bro. Like a platypus in
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: there trying to fucking figure shit out, man. But yeah,
• 15:17
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that. So you never had alcohol, huh?
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: No, I never, I never will, man.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: But did something turn you off to it when you
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: were young?
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: I think it might've been my mom. She drank? Yeah, she, oh,
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: did she?
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: Oh man, she drank like a fish, you know, morning, morning, noon, night,
• 15:29
  Speaker 2: you know, and seeing her become somebody I didn't even recognize.
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: I think that's why I stayed away from it because
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: it always starts young. Anytime you have a habit that
• 15:37
  Speaker 2: you stay away from, you have the discipline to do it.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: Most people say, oh, you're so disciplined. No, say, no,
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: I'm not. I saw something in my mom when I
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: was younger that let me know, you know what, I'm
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: not going down that path. I just never did it.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: And is she still alive?
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: No, she passed away from alcohol poisoning.
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: From cirrhosis of the liver?
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: Yep, 2021. I'll never forget. And I knew that. I
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: got that phone call. I got that phone call, and
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: I knew something was wrong because it was family members calling.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: family members never call especially like that back to back
• 16:07
  Speaker 2: from different family members and I kind of already knew
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: what it was because my brother had already called so
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: I already know nothing's wrong with him right and I
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: had a feeling what it was and say come down
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: to the house your mom is she's passed out they
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: couldn't even open the door she was right there right
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: there by the door and obviously the autopsy came back
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: and she passed away drank herself to death that's my baby.
• 16:32
  Speaker 1: Though Thanks for sharing that. Yeah, man. I, uh, you know,
• 16:37
  Speaker 1: I've been in recovery and struggling over the years from
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: drinking and a lot of my friends, you know, it's
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: part of, it's part of a lot of people's universe
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: these days. What, uh, and how do you try? And
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: I even have a family member. We try, I've done
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: intervention and stuff. Did you guys ever try to do
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: something like that? Is that hard as a son? Because
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: I bet it's kind of tough with a parent because
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: they're kind of, you still have to look up to them.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: It was, it was very difficult and it was so
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: difficult that I couldn't do it and she wouldn't listen
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: to me. You know, you can lead a horse to water,
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: but you can't make them drink. So she has to
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: want to get the help herself. And they can't drink alcohol. Yeah. Hey, listen.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: And so I even went as far as we were
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: on Marriage Boot Camp, but it was family edition. I
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: think it was WeTV. I forgot what it was.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: It was a show that you did? Yeah.
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: So her and I, it's all about a mother and
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: son or a mother and whatever family member it was.
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: You're trying to mend the relationship and whatever issues you have.
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: So I took her on there, and boy, she cut
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: a fool. She cut a fool.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, she didn't want to be.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: She cut a fool. Obviously had alcohol out. They had
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: all this stuff. And it was her and I, you know,
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: two weeks, two weeks straight. We went through different activities.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: They had two therapists, two doctors there. And there it
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: is right there. And man.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Oh, she's beautiful. What's her name?
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Paula. Paula Johnson. We call her Hurricane Paula. Woo.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Category. Category 85, huh?
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: When she gets upset, it's a hurricane. It's a hurricane.
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: And listen, she showed out in that show, man. That's
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: my baby. She showed out. But she just wouldn't. She
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: left the show early. She didn't even finish the show.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: She left early. Cussed the producers out. Cussed the rest
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: of the castmates out.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: She didn't want it. Nah.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: She didn't want to get the help I wanted, man.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: But that's my baby. There was a funeral scene we did.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: There was a funeral scene we did where she was like,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: close the casket. So it was me in a casket.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: And how would she feel if I was to pass away? Oh, man.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: She showed out. Oh, she showed out. Close the caskets.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: Let his baby mama's roll him in. Oh, it was hilarious.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, she made it funny?
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: Oh, man. No, she was dead serious, though.
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: Oh, she was pissed. She was pissed. So that was
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: the introduction. Let his baby mama's roll him in. Yeah,
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: let him close that bitch and let his baby mama's
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: roll his ass up out of here. Yeah, yeah. And
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: so people were... Wow.
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: That's hilarious, dude.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the world was introduced... to Hurricane Polo. Everything we
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: do is designed.
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: To provoke an emotional response.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: Do you want us to talk at you? That look alone,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: she didn't take any bullshit, huh?
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: No, she didn't play.
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: It doesn't work.
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: I wrote that.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I meant that. But I haven't been a part of
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: his life and he hasn't been a part of mine.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: He got his kids and baby mamas. Line them up.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Let him roll his ass out of here.
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: You said you wanted to close the casket earlier.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: No, you close it. I don't work for the funeral home.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: Let one of your children come close.
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: Sit down, Paula.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Sit down, Paula.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Never.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: You could never tell Paula to sit down.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: She's a legend. She's a legend, especially in our area.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: We have a thing. You're not really a friend of
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: mine if you haven't been cursed out by my mom.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: That means you ain't been around long enough. And that's
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: how she was. And we loved her just like that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: And I never got a chance to say goodbye. I
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: never got a chance to say I love you. But
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: I had the messages saved before she passed away and
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: it's her cursing me out.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: I mean, let me have it. Let it rip. Like, paragraph, paragraph,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: fuck you. And I wouldn't want it any other way.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't want it any other way.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: Because that's who she was.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: That's who she was.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: That's fair. Yeah, I have a family member. They'll send me, like,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: some of the texts they send, shit in caps, emojis,
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: things don't even make any sense. I can't even read it.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: I already know what it is, right?
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: But at the same time, that's who they are. You
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: have to love people where they're at. It's tough, though.
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: That's a tough time. I think so many people deal
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: with that. How do I love a family member that's struggling?
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Because you can even give them things. I mean, even
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: if you're able to provide them.
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and the funny thing about it is I had
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: to stop the bleeding as well. Because an individual like that,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: they will use, oh, I'm your mama as a reason
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: for you to keep giving, giving, giving, giving. And the
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: taker doesn't know when to stop. It doesn't know when
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: to stop. And there was no appreciation behind it because
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: no matter how much I did, it was always an issue.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So even at that point with mom, I even had
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: to deal with her from arm's length at a distance.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: And it was cool. My grandma raised me, so her
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: and I weren't really eye to eye most of the time.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: But man, when the times were good, oh man, they
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: were good. But when it was bad, I know. We
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: talk about entertainment. Like, her being on that show was
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: able to introduce the world to who Hurricane Paula was,
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: and she was TV gold. She was TV gold.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, that little bit right there. It almost reminds
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: me of that woman in New York when she was
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: at her best. Remember?
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: When she was at her best, though. Yes, yes. Like,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: her best moments remind me of something just like that. Oh,
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: that's interesting. And at least you have that also, a
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: moment of you guys' time together. Mm-hmm. you know, to
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: look at. I bet she was super proud of you, though.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Was she able to express that to you?
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. She was proud of all the things I
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: was able to accomplish, you know, obviously during my days
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: in NFL, all the stuff I did off the field.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: But she was so unpredictable. I couldn't take her to
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: important stuff.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Because, you know, red carpet, stuff like that. I couldn't
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: have her in those rooms because I don't know what
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: Paula was going to show up. I didn't know which
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: mom was going to show up. And I didn't want
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: her to embarrass me in those moments that would, We're
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: supposed to be celebrating whatever achievement it may be. But listen,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: if the wrong person is there and she sees, she
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: might snap. It doesn't care about their surroundings or their environment.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: So I had to be cautious.
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: She'll get a defensive pass interference call. Man, quick, and
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: don't care. And don't care. Wow, dude, that's so interesting
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: because that's also, it has to be wild because that's
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: where you obviously got a lot of your... banter and
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: ability to accept things, even if they're in a dangerous
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: space to keep. Because one thing that's interesting, I think
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: about you, Chad, and this is kind of, it may
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: be judgment, but it's just me kind of from an
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: outside perspective is even if things are chaotic and crazy
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: for other people, you're still able to have this sense
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: of humor that things aren't even, not that it doesn't matter,
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: but that it's not affecting you.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think because of my upbringing and me being
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: able to operate well in a chaotic environment, And I'm
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: very comfortable being uncomfortable. Very. It doesn't matter what's going on.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I love chaos. And I operate well in chaos. Very well.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what it is.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: Now, will you also create the chaos just to then
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: slide in and operate in it?
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Yes. Think about during my time playing. I was very chaotic.
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: I purposely tried to piss the NFL off.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Purposely.
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: Because I understood the game is an entertainment sport. So therefore,
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to bring just that. the entertainment value part
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: to it. They didn't see it that way. But all
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of a sudden, everything I was vilified for now is
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: a green light. Everybody's celebrating. Everybody's having fun. And I
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: understood what I was doing.
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: And look where you're at now. You're in a space
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: where you're still entertaining, right?
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Still going.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: In a little bit of a way, you're kind of
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: before your time with that. And it takes other, it's
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: even like with podcasting. At first, they thought podcasting was crazy.
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: These people aren't doing shit. They're out here doing we
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: got networks we got all it is and then you
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: know as well as anybody I mean half your times
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: when you're doing shows with Shannon you're just sitting there
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: on your phone or computer he's in a studio sometimes
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: but sometimes you're showing up from wherever from your home
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: you just tapped in off a laptop and that's you know.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: I started the podcasting early too I think in 2010
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: let's go Terrell Owens and I had a show called
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: the Teoto Show and that was the first form of
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: podcasting in a sense I think that there ever.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Was dude I remember so I lived in LA for
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: maybe 11 years I remember I went one time, I
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: was meeting some girl. I think I met her off
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the internet or something, but I was going to take her.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: She's like, will you take me shopping? And I was like, fuck. Shopping?
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah. Was this before or after sex?
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: This was before sex. This was before a handshake. And so,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: but I knew I wasn't going to take her anywhere nice.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: You know, I was, but I still wanted to, I
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: think I was just susceptible. Right. So I'm like, where
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: can I take this girl that's, Not expensive, but.
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: American Apparel.
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: That has something. H & M. Right, right. So that's
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: kind of the district I took her in, right? Anyway,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: she's looking at shit and everything, and I saw Terrell
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Owens and Macaulay Culkin having lunch together.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: That's dope. God.
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: And it was beautiful. It was almost like seeing a
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Loch Ness Monster or a Sasquatch. You know what I'm saying?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: You would never see that. Mm-hmm. You know, it's just
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: something like... Just sometimes you see certain groups of people
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: in the wild. It's just beautiful, but... What made T,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: was T, because you guys were also teammates.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in Cincinnati. Was he as entertaining?
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: And I got to think, we were friends before that.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: I remember I stood on the table for T, and
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: I knew we had an opportunity to get him. So
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: I talked to Marvin Lewis. I talked to Mike Brown.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: I said, we got to get T in here. We
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: got to get T in here. As much as I've
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: accomplished here as a Cincinnati Bengal, can we please get
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: one of the greatest players to ever play? Top three,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: all time, no matter what. I have no problem taking
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: a backseat and being his Robin.
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. With nothing but respect. So I couldn't wait.
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: And T and having T in that locker room and
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: watching him practice and having a great understanding on his
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: approach to the game of football. Man, that was a treat.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a treat. I've never had a
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: chance to actually sit there and tell him how much
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: I admired him in general as not only a player,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: but his approach to the game of football as And
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I got a better understanding on why he's one of
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: the greatest.
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. It was a joy.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: What made it so special, his approach? I know. I mean,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: there's rumors that he sleeps in like a barbaric chamber
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: or something. Yeah, he does. He's sleeping in like a
• 26:17
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• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I'm the complete opposite. You know, T.O. was very massages,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: hyperbaric chamber, ice tub, cold tub, eat right, salad, all
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: this stuff I didn't do. And I'm McDonald's. Cigars, complete opposite.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Totally different sides of the spectrum. So it's just being
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: around a man, it was such a joy. And I
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: was a sponge. And he doesn't even know it. I
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: took as much as I could from him in that moment,
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: in that year I had with him. And still to
• 26:46
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  Speaker 1: it had to be crazy in your world because you
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  Speaker 1: kind of go from a college, right? And I know
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: you went to SMC. I went to SMC. You did? Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I was at SMC too. I went to SMC, man.
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  Speaker 1: The SMC was wild, bro. Yeah. Because there was nowhere
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  Speaker 1: to fucking park. So, dude, it was like, I would
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  Speaker 1: drive to school, and if I didn't park, I wasn't learning.
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  Speaker 1: That was it.
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  Speaker 2: I took the bus. I took the bus down Pico.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. At that time, I had a young
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: lady I was dating. She lived in the jungles across
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: from Dorsey High School, right off Coliseum in the third building.
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  Speaker 2: I'll never forget. And I would take the bus. I
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: would take the bus to school.
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  Speaker 1: What was it like playing? Because that was a community college,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: but it was probably a really good program they had.
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  Speaker 1: It was the best that they could have.
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  Speaker 2: It was good. Especially back then, obviously, Steve Smith Sr.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: He was on the team with me. And I needed that.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I needed to get out of the environment out here
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: in Miami to.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Because this is where you started out at? Yeah. With A.B.?
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Was A.B. running when you were running?
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: Well, he was a little younger.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, he was? Yeah, A.B.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: Was a little younger.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: But did you hear about him or no?
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I watched him in high school when he was
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: at New Orleans. Yeah, I've been watching A.B. for years.
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: And his dad was also from Miami?
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: Troy... I'm not sure. Was it Troy?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: Touchdown Browns? who is that right there that's eddie brown
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: touchdown eddie brown that's ab's daddy his father uh that's
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: ab's dad that's his dad serious yeah his father had
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the most touchdowns he still holds a record i think
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: most touchdowns in arena football.
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: Wait that's his dad for real i didn't know that
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: eddie brown oh that's dope but i don't know how
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: many siblings and stuff he has He gets put on
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: the CTE bus a lot. You know, he gets put
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: on that baby bus. Do you think that's true or
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: do you think it's... Nah, I think he knows what
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: he's doing. And he played into the CTE thing real well.
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: You know, his CTE, his CTE ESPN.
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: Hilarious, dude.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: It's hilarious. It's hilarious.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: And he's kind of bridging a little bit. He does
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: a little bit of racial bridging, kind of.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a little bit.
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Because he'll call people, you know, he'll call some guy
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: crack or some guy the N-word.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: He'll mix it.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: He'll call an Asian the N-word.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: He don't get me. There's no. He's in a space
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: right now where he knows what he's doing and he
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: knows how to get that traction. He knows how to
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: get that reaction.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I cheer him on because I do find that it's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: interesting where he's at and I hope he can figure
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: out the best way to manage it.
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: I mean, look at this shit. Hey, listen, he's on
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: a historic run right now. He's on a historic run
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: in his own lane doing what he does. I love
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: him to death. I love him to death. Obviously, a
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: friend of mine before football.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, before football. Yeah, this goes way back. And that's
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: someone I will always support, whether it's up close, whether
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: it's from afar. His decisions that he makes, that's him.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: He's a grown man. But there's one thing about him,
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: I'm going to always love him.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: No, that's nice to hear, man. Yeah, I will say this.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: There's something extremely lovable about him, right? It's like whatever
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: he does or anything he's saying, him as a person,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: he has such a warm energy and smile. And now
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen a darker side of him. There may be,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. But he's got such a smile that
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: it's like you want to hear what's going to happen
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, very interesting, very unpredictable. Unpredictable.
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: That's what makes it so awesome. Because you don't know
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: what the fuck, excuse me, you don't know, you can curse?
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: You can curse. You don't know what the fuck is
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: going to happen next.
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: Because I don't even think he knows. He might know,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: but you're like, I'm going to ride with him even
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: Everything AB does right now is strategic. It's strategic. It's
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: planned out. And he's two steps ahead of everybody else.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love hearing that. Yeah, Belichick really opened the
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: portal with dating a young lady, man. Yeah.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, the portal. Yeah, I had the opportunity to
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: work with Bill this past season on NFL Films. So
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: Bill was there with me and Ryan Clark and Chris Long.
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: And did you get to meet his girlfriend then?
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't meet her. I think I might have
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: saw her once.
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: People are almost overshadowing his acumen and what he's done
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: with her. The media will do that a lot of times.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I mean, Bill is Bill. Bill's going to
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: be able to do what he wants to do. His
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: resume speaks for itself. And I'm excited for Bill, obviously,
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: and what he's going to do turning that UNC program
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: around and getting another opportunity the coach in the NFL. Now,
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: what he decides to do with his personal life, that's
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: one thing I stay away from. You know, I always
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: stay away from stuff like that. Yeah.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I'm trying to think, because my dad was
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: 70 when I was born. My mom was 32, right?
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So they had, what is Bill's difference in it?
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: 74 and 23, right?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, I mean, you know, I didn't love having
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: an old, if they had children, I don't know if
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: I loved having an old dad because, you know, it's
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: like a limited time offer. Mm-hmm. You know, every time
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: you see him, that shit, the clock is, you know. Ticking. Oh,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: the clock is ticking. Heaven's going to make a draft pick,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: you know. So you start to see that 49-year age gap.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: But who knows if they're in love. Yeah.
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Listen, love who loves you. Love who loves you. That's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: all I can say.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's risky? Like with athletes and stuff,
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of like, you know, there's a lot
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: of potential for, to get... in a sticky situations because
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of athletes, they're, you know, they're people know
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that they have money. Yeah. They're, they're in great shape.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it seems to be like it happens more
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: often than not these days.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Most definitely. Most definitely. I mean, you gotta, you gotta
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: be cautious. You gotta be weary and always understand that,
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: you know, sometimes most of those that you'll deal with,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: most of those who will deal with you is because
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: of what you can do and not who you are.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: How do you try and figure that out? You can't.
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: You don't think?
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: You can't figure it out because you always have to
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: lean into it with that same thought process.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: Like what are you saying?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: You have to understand, especially when you have money and
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: you have things going on for yourself, would you be
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: able to get the same girl that's with you now
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: if you didn't have it? Nine times out of ten,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: absolutely not.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Not.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: That's reality. Reality. I don't know that goes for any
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: and everybody you know that's just life that's just the
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: way it is if you lost the ability to provide
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: the woman you're with right now would she still be there.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: And that's probably for any man really almost in any
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: space period if you lost the ability to provide.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: Period or do the things or give her the lifestyle
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: that you've been able to what was she doing before
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: you came along yeah and look what you've done with
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: that certain individual that you're with you know and depending
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: on how much money you have your lease is very
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: long And when things hit the roof, most of the
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: time when she leaves you, she has to take that
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: money with her to continue that lifestyle.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Oh, yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: That's a tough spot then because your money is going
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: to get kind of divided up. Yeah. Do you have
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: a lot? You have a decent amount of children.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot. 85.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: You have 85? Is that your goal? Yeah. Yeah. Boy,
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: you got to get.
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: That was my goal. But then also the people I've
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: had kids with, we were all on one accord.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: What does that mean? We were all on one accord.
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: I only dated women that were athletic. I'm not having
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: kids just to have kids.
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they have some strategy.
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there was strategy behind mine. I don't care about
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: you being a bad bitch. I don't care about you
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: being on IG with your ass out.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: And no BBLs, all of that.
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's fine. Whatever you need to do to
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: feel better about yourself, I'm fine with that. But I
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: needed and only dated women that were athletic.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: So my kids had a head start on that foundation
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: of athletic ability. That's it. So I look at women,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: I look at ankles.
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I look at some track. Do you see
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: some of them track women?
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my daughter runs track at University of Kentucky now.
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, really? Yeah, I live in Nashville, man. That's not far.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: For real? Yeah, if you go up to see a meet,
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: I'll come up there and meet up with you guys.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: In Lexington? Yeah. Dude, that'd be awesome.
• 38:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: Because I bet they also run against LSU. I want
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: to tell LSU if they run against LSU or Vanderbilt. Dude,
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: that'd be sick, bro. I'll come up there, man.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I never really have this. There she is. Yeah,
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: this is when she was young.
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: And she's good, huh?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. She can go. She can go. She can't
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: beat me, but she can go.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: Do you think she'll be able to beat you at
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: some point?
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Because before my kids beat me in anything,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: I would trip her. I'm just being honest. I would
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: trip her before she beat me. Not happening. Not happening.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Dang. So was her mother athletic?
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, do you see those track ladies.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: All of them oh did you cheer did you play
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: volleyball Did you run track?
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: Volleyball, yeah.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: I mean, I just.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Need to see. But cheer, sometimes you get these little nuggets.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: They get them little McNuggets out there.
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: I know. I can tell. Because when I go on dates,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: I like to go places where you have to show
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: me athletic ability. Go to Dave and Buster's. Can you shoot? Now,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: if you don't have no form and can't shoot, I
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: can't do nothing with you. Go bowling. Go roller skating. Oh,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: that's a good one. So I hold my own.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Roller skating. It's ice skating for black people right there.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: That's what that is, dude.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: What do you call the combine? I hold my own combines.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: They think we're going on dates. Little do you know,
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: I'm taking notes. Okay, you can bowl. Okay, you don't
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: really have any coordination in skating, but I can work
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: on that.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: Come on, Che.
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: Go to the gym. A gym date? Oh, please.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Take them to the gym on a second date?
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. First date, Dave and Buster's. Check out coordination.
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: Let me see how your lateral movement is. That's a... Dio,
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: you're laughing. That shit is important.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: No, it looks good.
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: Sometimes, listen, some of these guys. No, that's a good point. Yeah,
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: they date women. Oh, she's so fine. She's on IG Live.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: She's fine as hell. Blah, blah, blah. You have a child.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Your child got two left feet, and you wonder why
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: your child get picked last in PE.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your child out there, he's swimming in a little circle. Yeah.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, they come home sad. Nobody pick me.
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Nah, fuck that.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck that, dog. Yeah. If she can't play kickball,
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Oh, dude.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: Because that's a good test of a lot of different
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: sports at once.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: A lot. Run and kick it at the same time.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: You know how hard that is to do?
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: Very tough.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: The coordination to be able to run forward and kick
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: in rhythm.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: Yep. That's the fucking Mozart of athletics to me, boy.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Kickball will show you a lot.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Yep. Absolutely.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. But there's a lot of traps.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: A lot of people don't think like that. Because you
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: have to think, too. So do you think a lot
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: of men, because I feel like a lot of... Let
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: me get this right. So in the NFL, they got
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys, it seems like, who want to
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: have a lot of children, right? Do you think that
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that's true?
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: No, I think at times.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: Like, is that a stereotype? With black community, do they
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: have a lot of guys who want to have a
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: lot of children?
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: Well, there are a lot of white guys, too. They
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: have a lot of kids as well.
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: But I think we just get caught up in the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: moment most of the time. And I think our counterparts,
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: on the other hand, they have a little bit more
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: discipline in that area. But I think they're not as
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: bad as us, but also there's... What do you mean
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: our counterparts? I mean, white guys.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Okay, so white guys versus black guys.
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: I'm not even looking at it like in a... I
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: guess I am looking at it obviously in culture. Right.
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not really looking at it in race, but I'm
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: looking at it in culture, right? So I'm thinking in
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: black culture, is it more of a thing to have...
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: It happens a lot because we get caught up in
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: the moment. Okay.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: We get caught up in the moment. Now, I'm one
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: who's one of those.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: And y'all like to spike the ball, yeah.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: But for me... Everything I've done was strategic and not
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: done on purpose. There was a method to my madness.
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: There's a method to my, nobody's, I'm not having kids.
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: Nobody's running to child support and old chat.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: No, no.
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: Because we all had one end goal. You understood what
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: it was. And I also had kids with people that
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I've known before I even made it. So there were
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: no ulterior motives like most have when you meet them
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: once you've already had money.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So it's different. Yeah, you meet some thought at
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: an equinox or something.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: And you have a child and the first thing you
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: wonder why things don't work out. Not things most times
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: don't work out.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: But no, it's like, yeah, you don't know who you're,
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: you don't, you're putting yourself at risk.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: So you're saying instead of risk, you have more strategy.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, most definitely, most definitely, most definitely.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because I just wonder, sometimes I wonder in black culture,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: do they view, do black men view the world differently? Like,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: is there a, do they view it more as like a,
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: I'm a king and this is my castle?
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: Nah, I don't, I don't.
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: You know, that's just how I wonder sometimes or like, yeah,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: like is there strategy sometimes?
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I gave you mine.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: And I've always lived by that, no matter who it was.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: I don't care how fine you are. I'm not here
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: to raise models. I want athletes. So, therefore, I'm going
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: to procreate with those who give me just that. You
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: might start a little dishonesty. Listen, you'll have fun and
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: go on dates with those who are not that. But
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: when it comes to having kids, oh, honey, uh-uh. I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: don't care how fine you are.
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. You got a kid. Your kid walking
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: at three weeks. running yeah for yeah for his first
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: birthday you get him a hurdle um do you think
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: what else am i thinking about do you think uh
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: do you think there's a lot of gay they just
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: had a guy they were talking about a gay gentleman
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: in the nfl do you think there's more gay men
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: in the nfl that we just don't know about absolutely and.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: They're afraid to say they probably don't want to make
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: every make People are uncomfortable.
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: And the media will make it a big deal, yeah.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And listen, I wouldn't have a problem with it, you know,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: because I'd be the one making jokes.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Oh.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I'd be the one making jokes. I don't
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: care what you are, gay, trans, ABC. I don't care.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: I'm accepting of all. Yeah. And I would have time.
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: But, yeah, I'm still kind of caught up on them.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: And it's probably for the best because if you get
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: some good jokes going, that's the thing about joking all
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: the time. It's like they tried to make joking a
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: crime over the past, like, 10 years.
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: Everybody's very sensitive.
• 44:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah. That's one reason I like AB is because he
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: just– you know, in his heart that he probably doesn't
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: have a lot of malice in that world. Right. But
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: he likes to have fun. You know, that's one thing
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I think that black culture does better than white culture
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: does is tell jokes. If you get around and you
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: start clowning on somebody, but you're right there with them,
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: they know you were supported. Yeah. But man, that's it.
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: And then, you know, the next bullet is coming. The
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: next time they get a chance, it's coming for you. Yeah.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Most definitely.
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: That's the most fun, dude.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know why, why people are, uh, they, they,
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Call it homophobic, you know, I think. And I think
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: that's one of the reasons a lot of players don't
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: want to come out, you know, or people in general
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: that might swing the other way. I mean, shoot, fuck it.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: It's who you live in your truth.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: And plus, they got some gangster gay dudes out there now, bro.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: It's not like the gay dudes 20 years ago.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. Everybody was feminine.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: Nah.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they was hot or whatever. Drawing a rainbow bride
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: or something. They got gay dudes to beat your ass.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: God. Literally.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: Literally. Literally, listen, I've always been fond of that community.
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: They've always showed love to me, and I've always showed
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: love back.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, they got some severe gay dudes. There's a
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: song right there by Eves. I didn't know they had
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: this song.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: I never heard this.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Who sings that? That's great.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: This is crazy. It's funny, especially where we are in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the world right now, that some people, based on occupation
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: and based on what you do, you really can't come
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: out because it can jeopardize what you have going on.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: But it feels like the only place that is kind of, well,
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: maybe there's, I'm sure there's probably like some like, probably
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: farming communities, like, you know, I bet there's probably farming
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: communities and maybe athletics, but I don't know. In women's athletics,
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: it's accepted.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's accepted, yeah.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: It's probably just in men's athletics. Do you think that
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: there's a, if you took the gay players from all
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: the teams, do you think you could make a gay
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: team in the NFL?
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: No, probably not.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: So you don't think there's enough gay men to make
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: a team?
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: No, no, not that many.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Which division do you think in the NFL probably have
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: the most gay players?
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. That's a good one. I have
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: no idea because I don't know everybody's preference.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: Right, but if you had to guess, even just by
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: looking at some... Let's pull up the....
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: That's the funny thing about it. You can't look at
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: somebody and tell.
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: No, you can't, but I'm just saying, look at some
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: of these records, though. The Cowboys.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: That's last year?
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: No. Oh, okay.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. I mean, to be able to
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: statistically rate how many people would be, you would never know.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: Right, you would never know. But it's fun to guess
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: with your friends. But I will say this. I think
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: it would be great if they had a gay team.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: You think so?
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know how many people would support them?
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: Oh, it would be huge.
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: People always want the underdog, right? They always want the underdog.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: Would they really be the underdog?
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: Would they really be the underdog?
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: Right, but I think they would be billed as the underdog.
• 48:00
  Speaker 2: Right, just in general.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: Right, in general. That's a good point. That's a fair statement.
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: Would they actually physically and capability be the underdog? No,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: we have no idea. Right. Because we don't know what
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: the team is, but I think they would get billed
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: as this underdog, which would give them a chip on
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: their shoulder type of mentality. Right. I think it's one
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: of the same reasons why you see like.
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: Oh, they have a national gay football league.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: Oh, they got a squad already. I'm telling you, bro,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: we're getting close. And everybody throw with their left arm
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: in that thing, boy. God, look at that.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: I didn't know they had that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: Oh, I bet that's hype. Dude, I went to the
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: women's lingerie bowl one time.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I remember lingerie football used to be huge.
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: They hit each other.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: They go crazy. I've seen some of the clips on Twitter.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: And they were beautiful, too.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: Gosh. Yeah. I like the outfits.
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: God, yeah.
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: I like the outfits.
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: Shoulder pads, legs, breasts, knees, everything. Head, arms.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: God, that shit was nice. Yeah, right here.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: And they talk a lot of trash.
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: They talk a lot of shit right there. They be like, bitch,
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I'm going to knock your ovaries out. Gangsta shit like that.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: This is dope.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I'm going to knock your nipples off that say shit
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: I want to do, they don't have this anymore, huh?
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: Have you ever considered investing in a type of athletic league?
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Nah, nah.
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: Mm-mm.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: No, I will stick to the things I know, and
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: that is cigars.
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: Cigars and kids. Those are my investments.
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: Okay. Do you think they have... One last question on
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: gay players. Do you think they got enough... Ocho, tell
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: me this. Do you think they got enough gay players
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: in the NFL to beat the Jets? Be real with me, Ocho.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: I have no idea. You would have to go by position.
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Is there.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: one gay player to each position that is one of
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: the best in the game at their position. But even then,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. The Jets obviously looked bad last year.
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: Ain't no telling. Ain't no telling how they're going to
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: be this year now that they have a quarterback in
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Justin Fields. So we'll see what happens. That's a good question.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: I would like to see that game.
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: I like that hypothetical.
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I would love to see that. And
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: who would I even cheer for now? I would cheer
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: for the gay team.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: I probably would too.
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I'd be out there. Shit, I would coach him.
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: I waterboy them dogs. I'd be out there waterboying, dude.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: We got a little bit of zest sauce for everybody
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: in the huddle. How tough is it for a player
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: if you're going to a new team, if you know
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: that the quarterback hasn't had a ton of success? Is
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that a tough spot to be in? How do you
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: manage your expectations? Like, you know, you're going to a
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: team where, you know, maybe you leave in a team
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: that had like a Drew Brees or a Tom Brady, right?
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: And you know the balls are coming, right? And you
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: know they're going to be in a vicinity where you
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: can catch them. And you know there's going to be
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: 30 passes a game. And then you get into a
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: spot where you're at a quarterback that's going to throw
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: 22 passes a game, and he's maybe going to get
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: 170 yards out of 140 yards.
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: It all depends on the quarterback and the offense you
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: go to and how much they're going to use you.
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: It's all about how good you are. Obviously, if you're
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: going to another team, most of the time you're not
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: who you thought you were. Most of the time.
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: So you have to think about that. If you weren't
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: regarded that much that they are keeping you, you're not
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: who you thought you were.
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: Unless you're on the back end of your career. Normally,
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: once a player hits year 10, they move on from
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: regards to who you are, no matter how good you are.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: You know, Jerry Rice, T.O., Randy Moss. At some point,
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: teams even moved on from them. And we talk about
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: some of the greats ever. But when it happens early,
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: you know, you're in year three or year four, it
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: is time to look in the mirror.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: And say, how can I make myself more valuable if
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: they were willing to move on from me?
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: And what are ways you think that players can do that? Like,
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: what can you do to make yourself?
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: You got to work on your craft. You got to
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: work on your craft. There are players coming in year
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: in and year out, always. But how can I continue
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: to make sure my value stays at a high level
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: to where no matter who's coming out, you won't be
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: able to get this kind of production from anyone else.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: And that's the fight. Every year, you got somebody coming
• 52:32
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, in other ways.
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  Speaker 1: To a squad, you know?
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  Speaker 2: In other ways outside of production.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you believe that?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Veteran leadership, you know, around a bunch
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  Speaker 1: Three years in the NFL. So that's not a myth.
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: Oh no, absolutely. They, you know, coaches like that, coaches
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: like that, a good guy, clean guy, uh, one that,
• 55:55
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• 55:59
  Speaker 2: to work on your craft and approach and study, study
• 56:02
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• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Amen. Do you think when you look at your career,
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: do you think you could have operated differently in some
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: years to get, have gotten more out of yourself? Right.
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: We all look, you know, cause I'm critical of myself, right?
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I look back and I want the to
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: do the best I can, even though I don't know
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: what it is sometimes, but I want to do my best.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: And sometimes I'll look at certain interviews. Like I interviewed
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg a couple weeks ago from the Facebook guy,
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: you know?
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right, right.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: And I like, I should have done, I knew I
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: could have done better. I think I had like a
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: little bit of a plan, but I think I got nervous.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: And so when I look back on that, I'm like, man,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: I wish I would have asked some things that were
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: more important. Right. Things I really wanted to ask, but
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: I was afraid to. Right. Do you look back in
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: certain years of your career and you're like, Yeah, I
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: could have done some things differently at this time. Either
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: I was younger or I was.
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I look back at my career, I
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: would have done everything I did plus more. Because I
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: had some great ideas that I didn't get a chance
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: to do. You know?
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: Like, what do you mean by that?
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, just the fun. The fun. I would have
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: pushed the envelope even more.
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: Really just having a good time?
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: Having a good time. Because, listen, the NFL is not
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: for long. And I had a short window to maximize
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: as much as I could out of myself and out
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: of the NFL. And I did just that, which is
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons why I'm still going to this day,
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: pushing forward.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: But looking back, you're like, man, if I'd have known
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: what I know now, if I'd have known then what
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: I know now, then I could have done even more, right? Yeah,
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: most definitely. Like, is that what you mean? Or do
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: you mean like physically training more?
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, just my approach to the game
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: in general, just on-field stuff.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: So do you feel like your attitude was different at
• 57:39
  Speaker 1: certain years?
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: No, I was the same always. I was always authentic
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: with myself. What you see right now off camera or
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: on camera, it's the same way I was on field.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: That wasn't a character. That was really me. And I
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: just chose not to conform and not to behave the
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: way they said I should. The way I played in
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: the NFL, the same way I played when I was
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: in high school. The same way I played when I
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: was in Pop Warner. Just because you paid me millions
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: of dollars, I'm not changing who I am just for that.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Did you ever have teams try to tell you to pipe?
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: No, they loved it.
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: Never?
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: They loved it. The referees loved it. Opposing teams, coaches
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: loved it. Opposing teams, players loved it. Everything I did.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: I could see that because there's kind of a thing
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: like even if somebody's the enemy, if they're an enjoyable enemy,
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: you're kind of just thankful to have somebody around that's
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: going to keep you entertained, that's going to keep things fun.
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: Not only entertainment, but what I brought to the game
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: and those I'm playing against, it was nothing but a
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: competitive nature. Nothing I did was malicious.
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: But you knew one thing. If we playing Ocho or
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: we playing the Bengals in general, I got to come
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: to play. Yeah. Because I'm going to challenge you during
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: the week through the media.
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: I sent gifts to the defenses we were playing, to
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: the secondaries, just to make it fun.
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: What kind of stuff? Like high heels or something? No, no.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I sent Pepto Bismol to the Browns. I sent.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, because you're about to deal with this shit, huh?
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to make you sick to your stomach.
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: I sent gifts to the Falcons before. Who else? The Steelers.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I sent them some just fun, man, just fun stuff.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: And they would always get the packages Saturday morning. Look.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: They're opening their packages, bro. Bro, you're like a fucking
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: dangerous Santa.
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: I was going to make them sick, or they were
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: going to get sick of covering me, so here's some
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: Pepto ahead of time.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: All fun. That's hilarious. Do you think that kind of
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: stuff can really affect a defense, you think? Just their mentality?
• 59:33
  Speaker 2: What do you think it really does? It messes them
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: up because if you go out there and you're trying
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: to kill me, that lets me know you're out of control.
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: You're out of control. So I do stuff like that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I like to play mental gymnastics. If I can get
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: you out of your game, if I can get you
• 59:48
  Speaker 2: talking to me in the middle of a game, I
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: got a little edge on you. A little edge on you.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: I did that small edge. Because if you're.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Worried about me personally, you're not worried about me as
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: a player.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: Bingo. And you're not worried about the game in general
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: as a whole itself.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: Damn. Dude, stuff like that is so true. It's like,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: because when you say if you look back on a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: moment in your life and you're like, damn. could have
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: been a little bit more locked in or I'll let
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: this get me a little. And it did affect me.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: And that happens.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: So then if you think that of a head that way,
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: you think if I can cause that to them and
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: I know that that outcome really occurs, then that, then
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: that me causing that is worthwhile.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: That's so true.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: The funny thing about it is, is being out of
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: control and trying to hurt an individual that you're playing against,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: which is what happened to me every game. I had
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: no problem because I enjoyed playing very calm, Under chaos.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: So you're going to be chaotic.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be nice and relaxed and calm. And
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: you being angry, that split second of anger, you're going
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: to miss. You're going to whiff. You know, the game
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: of football is a game of inches. Yeah. And once
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: I know I'm in your head, I'm going to always
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: have that half inch over you. Every time.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: Who hit you the hardest when you were playing, do
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: you feel like?
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: Brian Russell.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: Brian Russell?
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: Brian Russell. Cleveland Browns, garbage time. Carson threw a slant
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: over the middle. Game is over. There was no reason
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: I was supposed to be in the game. And I
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: was knocked out. Watch this. Up top. All the way
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: up top. Ooh.
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, God.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: And that is the one hit I took and was concussed. Yeah.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: And did he even call your email yet?
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: No. He did nothing. It was good. I enjoyed it.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: You see the score line, huh?
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: 34-10.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: Why am I even in the game? And it's, what,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: a minute going to clock.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: But real talk, though, if they'd have taken you out
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: of the game at this point, would you have been upset?
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: Do you guys want to be in there getting stats?
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: Or what's it really like?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: You know, I don't know why we were in the
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: game at that point. I'm not sure. That game was over. Obviously,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: the Battle of Ohio, one of the biggest games for us.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's a good point. People came. Maybe they don't
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: want to see the stars the whole time. Yeah. Was
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: there a quarterback that you– do you feel like you
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: got the best opportunity with your quarterback? Yeah.
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: Hell yeah.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: Carson? Yeah.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: I just don't know. You don't know if people are
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: sitting there thinking, like, And whoever the quarterback is didn't matter.
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: You don't think so? No. Because I'm coming in and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: my skill set was at a point and how I
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: felt was I'm going to make your job easy. Bob
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: Rakowski was the golf coordinator. When we played, I'm making
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: your job easy. If you know you need to play
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: and you need a catch or you need a whatever
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: it may be, you know who's number to call.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: That's my mindset. Like, I don't need you to be
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: great throwing the ball. Just put it in the area.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Just anywhere in the area. I'll take it. I'll take
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: it at rest.
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: Do you think players sometimes, like at the end of games,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: they're like asking coaches, hey, give me, trade for me
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 1: or something like that? People secretly like you.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that happens all the time. Now, that happens all
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: the time.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: So people say it quick in that quick little hug. Hey,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: trade me. Trade for me, yeah, absolutely. Trade for me,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: trade for me. Damn, because you wonder, them hugs are fast,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: but sometimes you see their mouth moving.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why you see players always cover their mouth.
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: But it's hard now because everybody's mic'd up.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: Everybody's mic'd up. So, yeah, that happens, though. That's a
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: good one.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: Do you feel like it's a... I wish I had
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: me a cigar. I would try one, man. I should
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: have got one. If I catch up with you this weekend,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: I'll get Elliot one.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: You have your own brand? Yeah, 85, remember?
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't... Bring them up.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: Let me get a look. Let me get a gander
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: at them dogs right there. And where do y'all get that...
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: Where do y'all get the... DR.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: Dominican Republic.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: In the DR. Not lettuce. What's it called? Nicotine lettuce.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: The leaf. Tobacco.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: Tobacco. Yeah.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: In DR. Now we do mass production.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: Y'all get down there in Dominican Republic, huh?
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: Now we distribute from Nicaragua now.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah. That's where my dad's from, man. For real?
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: That's dope. That's dope.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: That's crazy, bro.
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: Wow. What are the odds of that, man? Boa Vidas. Mm-hmm.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: The good life, baby.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: Do you think, is this a make or break year
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: for Joe Burrow? Tell me what you think. What do
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you think, Ocho?
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: No, not make or break.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: Fuck no. You don't think so?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not. Make or break what? He ain't going nowhere.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: He ain't going nowhere.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: But in the perception of, maybe in the perception of fans,
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: you think it's, you know, they got a great offense,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: you know.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: Crazy offense. I agree.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: So at that point, if you're going to give up
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: 35 points, you've got to be able to score 40 points.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Bingo. I'm glad you said that. Now what we do
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: need to do is we need to start fast. We
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: just start early, you know, in the beginning of the season.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: You know, losing to the Patriots the way we did
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: in the beginning of the season, it hurt us on
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: the back end. We need to start fast. We don't
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: have to round other teams to lose or win. Of course,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: they have an opportunity to get into the playoffs. Nobody
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: wants to see us offensively if we make it into
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: the playoffs. Ravens, very good. Bills, very good. Chiefs, very good.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: And that will always be the three or four teams
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: that are in the hunt every seasons.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: Who's a team you think coming this year might actually
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: have a, that's going to be something different, do you think?
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good one. That's a good one. There's
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: always a surprise team every year.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: Because I'm a Saints guy. The Saints started off last year,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: they had two big games out of the gate. They
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: beat Dallas by 30. They scored over 40 the first
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: two games.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: And then it went bad.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, it went so sour.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: So I have no idea. And it's hard to tell.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: You have some special players that have gotten drafted. So
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to see how they can impact the game
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: early and impact that team in general.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: So I'm curious. I'm excited to see what Travis Hunter
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: does in Jacksonville. I'm excited to see what Abdul Carter does.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Jackson Dart, who is over in New York now. He's
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 2: with the Giants, right? Yeah, yeah. He'll probably sit down
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: and Russell will be at the helm.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: That's going to be a pressuresome market over there. But
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: it'll be interesting because Russell, you don't really know how
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: it's going to go. Yeah.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but listen, they got Malik Nabors, so they're going
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: to be all right.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: LSU got Washington Commanders right there. I'm excited for them, man.
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: They're going to always be in the hunt every year.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: Every football team in the NFL is a quarterback away
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: from being in contention year in and year out. The
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: Commanders have their quarterback for the next decade.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: Why is it so hard to have, because you usually
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: have about six, seven teams, eight teams that have good quarterbacks, right?
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: The quarterback does well that year. Why is it so
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: hard to have that position be good?
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: Well, it's hard to find a quarterback that's good.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: But it's crazy. There's a ton of– it's like.
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: ton of quarterbacks. You have tier ones. You know, your
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: tier one quarterbacks are hard to come by. Right, but
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: you have 200 NCAA team, and you have a lot
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: of guys that can play quarterback. They're not that good.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: They're not that good. There's a reason why. You know,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: your Patrick Mahomes, your Joe Burrows, Lamar Jackson, your Josh Allens.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow, Jalen Hurts, Jordan Love. Justin Herbert and Trevor
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: Lawrence should be in that conversation.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: C.J. Stroud, maybe? C.J. Stroud. You got guys that are
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: right there in that second range.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Those are tier one quarterbacks or should be based
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: on their talent. But I don't know.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: But then you get a guy like Andy Dalton. He's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: a game manager. He does a good job, right? Yeah.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: But never can kind of get over that. That hump.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: That's like nine and seven or six and eight. He
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: never can really. It just kind of amazed me sometimes.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I'm like, you'd think that they would just try to
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 1: put anybody in there, give them a shot.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Nah, it doesn't work that way. You put anybody in there,
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: you'll be home. You put anybody in there, that's how
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: coaches get fired.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 2: You're getting fired.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Do you ever think of coaching and getting into it?
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: No? No.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: They don't pay enough. And I make more now doing
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: what I'm doing. I make more now than when I
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: was playing.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Damn.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: So I'm good.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: And that's such a blessing because, dude, a lot of guys,
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: their career is hard enough to get out of college,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: get on an NFL team. And then that is huge
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: for those guys. Get the bread while you can get there.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: But then to have a career after that. It's like
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: I'm looking at the Bustin' with the Boys guys, like
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Taylor LeJuan and Will Compton. They got in early. They
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: have a great space now. They have a real imprint
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: in society.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. They're doing really well.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: It's cool to see that kind of stuff.
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: McAfee did well with his as well.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, dude, yeah. Nobody's like him.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: There's nobody like him, man. Yeah, I'm trying to think
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: of what else is going on, man. That's interesting to
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: create a family based on I'm building for success, right?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Is it hard to manage that big of a family
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: with that many children? What's that like, really?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: No, I run a tight ship. I run a tight ship.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 2: Those I have kids from, we have the same end goal.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: got the same angle and those i have kids from
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: awesome mothers awesome mothers no issues no nothing.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: How do you pick a good mother then that's an
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: even that's an important question i think because a lot
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: of people they'll just you know i don't ever do
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: no ejaculation inside of women in my life.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: You know you'll never know you know that what a
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 2: good mother is but those that have kids.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, you don't think you can tell? There's no way
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: to tell. It's impossible. Well, I'm just saying, if you
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: meet a lady and they're a good lady.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, being a good lady doesn't mean you'll be
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: a good mother.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: And I only date women that already have kids.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: You can take that kid off to the side and say, hey, man,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: what place y'all calling around here?
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: It's just weird. What's the defense she's running? You got
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: to have two or more kids.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 1: God, that's a thing.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to. Because, I mean, for me, dating
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: a woman with no kids, they never have fucking food
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: at home.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: They always want to go out to eat.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: You know what it's like? Now, Theo, I don't know
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: if you experienced this, but you know what it's like
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: to have sex with someone that has kids and wake
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: up at 3, 3.30 in the morning and get a
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: fucking Capri Sun?
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm. That's good. Oh, bro.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: That's fucking amazing.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: Bro, with half a mouthful of Lunchable, I'll make love
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: all night. Yes. See, that's what I'm talking about. That's
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: who I am, boy. With a jaw full of them
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: little shake, little hands, them ham.
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: That's important to me.
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: God, I love that.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: Having snacks in the pantry.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: That's good, dude. Because you kind of get to be
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: a kid and a husband at the same time in
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: a way. Bingo, yeah. That's interesting.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: Those are my rules. Everyone, some people, oh, she has kids.
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: I don't care.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, and if you wake up in the middle of
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: the night, you can play video games, too.
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. We on the same page. That's what
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 2: it's all about.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: You wake the kid up. I'll go in another room,
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: wake a little fucking... Little Randall up.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: Hey, let's run Call of Duty real quick.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Randall, get up.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: Let's go do it. Let's run duos.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: I have school tomorrow. I love it. You about to
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: get schooled right now, motherfucker.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 2: I love it. Let's do it. I love it. Especially
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: if she has older kids. Yeah. Oh, that's perfect. Oh,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: that's perfect.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: Dang, that's a great point.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, that's just me. Everyone else's thought process
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: and approach to dealing with women isn't like mine. Yeah.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: That's fine. That's fine.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, a lot of people, yeah, they just, but
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: it's risky out there. I think having some strategy as
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: to what you do with your own seed is important.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: Very.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Did you, you mentioned that your grandmother raised you?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, grandma.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: What was your, so did you, did your grandma raise
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: your siblings too or just you?
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: No, it was just me. And my brother was raised
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: with my mom.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: That's how I ended up in LA. My mom was
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: in LA at the time. And so my grandma, after
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: I graduated high school, I went to Langston University. Yeah,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: NAIA school in Oklahoma. And I got thrown out for fighting.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: So I went back to Miami after getting expelled. And
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: my grandma was like, listen, I've done all I can
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: with you. I washed my hands. Damn, you was in
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: a bad spot? Yeah, that's how I ended up in
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: LA at Santa Monica.
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: Why, was your attitude bad?
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: No, I just liked to fight.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: You liked to fight?
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Unfortunately.
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: Fist fighting?
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked fist fighting. Like, I'm going to beat
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: James Harrison ass.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: You fighting him?
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: James Harrison from Pittsburgh Steelers?
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm going to fuck him up.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: I thought he passed away, man.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, no.
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: He's okay.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's alive and well.
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: Bring up a picture of him. Well, not for long
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: once you get him up.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: Bring up a picture of him. Doesn't he have a
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: child named, I thought he had a son that played
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: James Harrison. Yeah, he's a coach, isn't he?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, no. He's not a coach.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, no, he ain't a coach. God, he doing calendar work. Yeah.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: God damn, he on fucking OnlyFans. Look at this shit
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: over here.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's Devo. That's Devo.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: God, he going near his cage.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 1: God dang, they fucking.
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's huge.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 1: He's a junkyard dog.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: He looks intimidating, doesn't he?
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: Yes, he does.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't give a fuck.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: You really going to fight him?
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: Fuck him up.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: God, I'll stand. I'll coach you, bro.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going to be good.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: I'll do your water in the back. I'll put ice
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: on your neck.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very good friend of mine. But, you know, sometimes
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: you got to come to feel it.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: Hey, look.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Sometimes you got to establish dominance as a little man.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it is what it is.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: That's a boy.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: And why are y'all fighting? Y'all are upset with each other?
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 2: I just don't like his face. It's punchable.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He does.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: He has a punchable face.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: Bring up another picture of that punchable man. God damn, bro. Now,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't hit this guy. Bring up the other pitcher.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Go back to the other one. Yeah, not this guy.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow. Yeah, he's huge, right?
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: And are y'all fighting just for fun?
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: No, MMA style. Oh, y'all doing MMA? Yeah, he can kick.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: He can do whatever he wants.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 1: Did you go to the fight? Are you going to
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: the fight that's coming up here? Or they just had
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: one here?
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they did. I wasn't here. I was
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: out of town working.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: Do you like to go to them?
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I like it. I'm a boxing fan more. I
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: can't believe we haven't seen each other in a while.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: I like boxing better.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: And who's this, James Harrison?
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: No, that's my crazy ass in there boxing.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's you?
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: Oh, so you really like it, huh?
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember this was fun. Who is this against?
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: Brian Maxwell. He does, Brian Maxwell does bare knuckle boxing.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: He's a good friend of mine.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: Dang. What's tough about boxing, man, that people don't realize?
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Conditioning. Conditioning. You've got to be well conditioned. And for this,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 2: I only had two weeks to get ready. And since then,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I think that was in 2021, if I'm not mistaken.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: And I've been training since. Just having fun.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: Could you fight a guy like, you couldn't fight Jake Paul, though.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: I think the weight class is, he's so much, so
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 2: much bigger.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: Oh, he's heavy.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he's heavy.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: He's a heavy guy.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: I'm only, I'm, but maybe now, and put on a
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: little size, I'm about maybe 190.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: Who's somebody you would challenge out there then? Who's like
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: a real, I'm trying to think of somebody.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: I just want to fight Deebo. I just want to
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: fight James.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: Well, he's willing to do it, isn't he?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we're going to do it.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: Who can I see?
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Then we're going to be friends after.
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. I remember when I was
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: in school. you got in a fight, the principal, they
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: made you stand in the hall. And you had to
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: put your hands on the shoulder of the person you fought.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: And so y'all had to be, by the end of
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: the day, y'all were friends because you were right here.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: The whole time.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: And the other kids would get out of class and
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: have to walk by. And so by the end, this
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: person became your, you had to get over whatever it
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: was because you had to be right there next to
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: each other.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: What's a part that you miss about playing? I mean,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I know it's kind of a general question. What's something
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: you miss about playing that people wouldn't even think about?
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: For me, it was competing in practice.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: Even just in practice was fun, huh?
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: I miss it. I miss competing in practice. That's what's difficult.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: The games on Sunday, that's fun. That's the easy part.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Practice and competing. Preparation. I miss that. I miss watching film.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: I really do. I miss watching film, especially on defenses
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: and defensive backs and knowing what they were going to
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: do before it even happened. I knew it was coming.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: Whether it be down in distance, first down, second down,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: third down, all that shifting in motion that they like
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: to do, playing around in the secondary. I know what
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: you're doing before you even do it. And I miss that.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: I miss being prepared. So the entertainment value I bought
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: was only done because I studied to a T. I
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: studied to a T. You know, it's not like I'm
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 2: just getting up out there.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 1: So you weren't out there just goofing around?
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: No. It looks like it. There's no way to have
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: that kind of success without studying hard, without knowing what
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: I'm doing. Or knowing what you're doing before I even
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: go do it.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: What do you think the NFL could do differently now
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: to make it more exciting? Or to make it a
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: better product, if anything.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it is the best product. There's really
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 2: nothing else.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: Do you think so? I think the NFL's going down, man. No.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's, I think people like college better. Hell,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: some people like damn WNBA better. I don't like, absolutely not.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: Some people do, some young men do.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: A couple guys do.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the NFL will always be the cream of the crop.
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: You think so? Always. I don't know, there's something about
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: it sometimes. I don't know if, The field should be bigger.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know what should happen. Sometimes I feel like
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: the guys have almost gotten too fast. I feel like
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: sometimes with the running backs is what I do feel like.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: You don't get to see enough good moves because there's
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: not enough space for them to do them in because
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 1: everybody's so fast now. Yeah. I don't know if that's
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: true or not, but I feel that way sometimes. I
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: don't know if you could have a Barry Sanders now,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: not because you couldn't have the same guy.
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: No, you could. You just will never have another Barry Sanders.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 2: That ain't happening.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: That might be fair.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: That is not happening. Absolutely not.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: That might be fair.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Not even close.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it just looked like the, you know, like it
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: used to be once you got around the defensive end
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to get out there to get you.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, most of the time players back then
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: were not as fast. Now we have, you know, D linemen,
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: even D tackles that run in four or five.
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: Right, but I'm saying does that make it tougher for
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: somebody's backs to get out of the backfield?
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: No, not at all. You just have to be that
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: much better.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: You got to be that much better.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm wondering why sometimes it feels like it's not
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: the same as it used to be. It's amazing. I'm
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: not saying that. I'm not saying that the guys aren't
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: extremely talented there. But sometimes I just wonder as a fan.
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: Are you a WNBA fan?
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: I had an opportunity to go to my first game
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: in Atlanta.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: You did?
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Yo, that shit was amazing in Atlanta. And the product
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: in general. I don't know all the gripes that people
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: have about the WNBA.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: No, that shit was amazing.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: I'm into it, man.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: The atmosphere from quarter one. The halftime, dude, it felt
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: like I was at the club. And I don't even
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: go to the club. And the first thing I thought
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: about was, wait, is this what it's like when it
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: comes to the nightlife? I really enjoyed it. I really
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: enjoyed it. Yeah, it was nice.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, I had a great time. I went to
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: Las Vegas Aces game. Aces game? Yeah.
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: It was nice?
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: Bro, it's so much fun. I tell my friends if
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: they're in Vegas, like, what show should I go see?
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: I say, if the Aces are playing, go see it.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: Go see them, yeah.
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: It's just such a, yeah, there's like, people love the game.
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 1: You could tell they really are invested into the game, right? Absolutely.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: And this is when they had Kate Martin. They had
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: the girl who won MVP three years in a row.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: This was when they had Asia Wilson. They still have
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: Asia Wilson.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Asia's still there.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But, dude, it was unbelievable, bro. I had a
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: great time. And we got to sit right, bro. We
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 1: were playing Dallas Mystic, I think is their name. Their
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: coach was right there, dude. I was chirping them during
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: the game. They were ridiculous, dude.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I love the WNBA, man. I love the product
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: they have on the court. Yeah, I love the product.
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: I would like to invest in a WNBA team, man.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: I think Miami needs a team.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: I think Nashville needs a team.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be nice.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: Because it kind of reminds me, I feel like, what
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: you might see with the nba before everybody could dump
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: and i don't mean that in any type of way
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: other than you have to rely on good passing like
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff you have to rely on
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: where the nba doesn't have to rely on it as
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: much anymore right um do you think you can still
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: play or no me yeah fuck no Come on, bro.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 1: You can't talk yourself up this whole time when you
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: can't even get back out there.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: Obviously, I got to be realistic as well. The mind
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: knows what to do. The mind knows what to do
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: based on years of playing and IQ, on-field IQ. But
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: the body won't react the way I want it to.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: Bro, you could play for the Titans.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: No.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: You guys got a good one in Calvin Ridley.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, no. I know we have Calvin. Calvin Ridley is
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: one of the best, right? I don't think Atlanta should
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: have let him go. But we could use you over there, man. Yeah.
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: Even just for the, where we would come to watch
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: you play though.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: Now what about that element of it? Has any team
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: reached out to you in later years?
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. No.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: To say we just to sell tickets.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I can, I can do that.
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: I can fill a stadium up. Well, that's what I'm
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 2: But not at this day and age. No, but people
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: would love to watch back then. Yes. Yes.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: People would love to watch it. I'm trying to think
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: of something else that we could talk about. Anything you
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: want to talk about?
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: It's on you.
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 2: It's on you.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 1: Thanks, bro. Is it tough, though? Let me think about this. Realistically,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: when you have eight children, you have eight children. Yeah.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: I want two more. You do?
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: I'm probably going to do, is it called IBF? I
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: want twins.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: Ooh.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: I want twins and I'm done.
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: Why? You want twins so that you have to battle
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: two Johnsons on the field at once?
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 2: No, not really. I just want to end on even numbers.
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. And on a grand finale, you got to
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: end with a big move.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: There we go.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: That two-point conversion.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: I like that. So we'll see what happens. We'll see
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Do you have to pick your children's names or your
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: wife gets to pick them? Whoever I'm dating, the mother
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: gets to pick them.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they get to pick.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: Really? They get to pick every time? Yeah, of course.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Is that a thing?
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just the way I operate. I'm
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: not worried about names.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Really? No. So the mother gets to pick out every
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: one of your children's names. Did she say, hey, what
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: do you think about this name?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, always.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: Okay. And will you sit down and say yes or no?
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 2: I say whatever you want to do. We're rocking with it.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: Wow, bro.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my son. My son graduates from Arizona State.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: He's a Sun Devil? Yeah. He plays football there?
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: No, he's done. He's done?
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: He's done, yeah. Is it tough for you if you
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 1: have a child and do they feel like they have
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: to live in your shoes? No. But how do you
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 1: have that conversation with them as a parent?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: You do as a parent. Even though I play football,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: if you want to play, that's on you. If you
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 2: don't want to play, I'm supporting whatever it is you
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: want to do. I'm not one of those parents that
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: push and push. You're going to do this? No, absolutely not.
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: But do you feel like the children feel some type
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: of pressure or no? Just in their own space?
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: No, I would hope not because the pressure would be
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: coming from me. Fuck the outside noise. It has nothing
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 2: to do with anything. Whatever you dream and want to do,
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: I'm going to support it.
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: Which one of your children is most like you, do
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Probably my daughter that runs track at the University of Kentucky.
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: Is she like your mom too or no?
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: A little bit. It's a little bit of both of us.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: A little bit of both of us. A little bit
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: of both of us.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: Like what does she have? Like what tendencies does she have,
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: you think, that make her like you?
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Athletic ability.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: Athleticism. And all of them are athletic. I think, honestly,
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: her sister, who didn't run track, she's an AKA. She
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: goes to Prairie View A & M. I think if
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: she chose to run track or just be in athletics,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: I think she would be faster.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: So she's a diva.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: She's the Beyonce of the kids. Oh, really? Yeah, she's
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: the diva.
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: Who was a bigger diva? Do you think you or
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: Terrell Owens, do you think?
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think, we're not even divas. That's just a word.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure why they use that word. It just
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't describe any of us.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: Well, male divas then. No.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Who's a better player? T.O.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: So one of your daughters is maybe more athletic, but
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: she chooses not to do it.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: What does she like to do?
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 2: She's a dancer.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 2: She's a dancer. She's MUA. She can dress her ass off.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: Oh, so she's stylish.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: Oh, my goodness, yes. Oh, yeah, that's my baby.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: That's interesting.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: That's my baby.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to have maybe a stylish little child.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: I have a daughter also who's into tennis. Cheyenne? I
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: call her Cha-Cha. So good. Already. Eight years old. So good. Forehand, forehand, backhand.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: So good. You don't understand. We're going to have this
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: conversation again maybe five years from now, and it'll be like, Theo,
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: remember what I told you? There she is right there
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: on tour.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: Love, love. Wow. Where does she play at? She plays
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: in Florida?
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in Florida. She's in Florida. I have a
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: younger son, Savion, football. Crazy.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: Here in Florida?
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: Crazy, yeah.
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: So your life must be pretty busy with having to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: just be a dad all the time.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's easy. It's easy. I hear people complain. It's easy.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: It's easy.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: What do you think that people complain about that makes
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: it seem tougher to them?
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: You do also have financial ability to at least feed
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: and take care of rent, that sort of thing.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: I think that might make it a little easier.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: I bet it does, yeah.
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: From a financial standpoint, it's easy. But also being present
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: and being active and being hands-on as much as I can,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: I just like it. Like, you know that feeling? I
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: get such a great feeling when we go on trips.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: You know, every summer we take trips as one huge group.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: And just mobbing, mobbing through the airport, like, 10, 8,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: 9 kids.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: All the women too? The moms and the children? No, no, no. Oh,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: just the children?
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I take everyone.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: Dad and the kids all go on a big trip?
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: I love that shit.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: Where did you guys go somewhere fun that you would
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: recommend to another big family to go? Because they got
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of church families out there.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: Mexico, DR. This summer we're going to Dubai, all of us.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: It's just those trips, dude. Just going to the mall
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: when it's time to go shopping. Just walking in like
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: one big gang. I love that.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: That's interesting. It's an interesting way to think about your
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 1: future and how you're raising children. But do you worry
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: that you can't give them enough, each child, like enough
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: mental and emotional connection, or you don't think about that
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: as much? Or you think it's okay?
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: No, they're good.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: They're good?
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: They're good, yeah.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: I have no idea, yeah. I just think that you
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: worry about that. That's a lot of people's fear. Because
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: it's interesting because I think people used to have more children.
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: I think we're having less children now. You see that?
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: They're just about to give people money to have more children.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: You seen that? Mm-hmm.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, especially in this economy, too, I can
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: understand why some people are a little bit more cautious
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: on having kids.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Who was an overhyped cornerback when you were playing, bro? Overhyped? Yeah.
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 2: I don't talk about people like that, D.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: But if you had to guess somebody.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 2: No, I'm not doing that. I don't talk about people.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: So it's a negative.
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a negative. Yeah, nobody's overhyped. If you made it,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: you're a one percenter. You're there for a reason. You're
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: there for a reason.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: Could you tell if a guy wasn't going to be, like,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: do you feel like there's some days when a player,
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: they could even be great, and they go into a
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: game and it's just an off game? Like, does that
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 1: really happen?
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you have off days. Michael Jordan had off days.
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: I had off days. Some of the best, Brady, Mahomes,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: you have off days. But your good days outweigh the
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: bad ones.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: Right, the average of it. Yeah.
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: That's a good one. That was a good question.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: It was?
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: That was a good one.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Well, because sometimes it's like I got to do a
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: show or something, and I'm like, I don't feel like
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: today's just my day, but I still have to do it, right?
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: You got to just wonder at that level because it
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: only comes down to 16 Sundays.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. And out of that 16, you're going to
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: have a bad one.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: You want to be as consistent as possible, but being perfect,
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: you strive for perfection. So even if you do fall short,
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: but you're going to have bad days.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: Do you worry with a lot of these young people
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: that now they have all this max preps and all
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: this video footage and stuff so early? Do you think
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: that that's a positive or a negative? How do you
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: even look at some of that? Because you have a
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: child now who's nine years old who's watching himself either
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: do well or not do well on a film, you know?
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, that's a part of it. That's a part
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 2: of it. You have to evolve with the times. The
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: parents have to evolve with the times that we're in now,
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 2: understanding that we're in a social media era and everything
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: is magnified times 10. Everything is magnified.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just wonder, like, if that's good for a
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: child's psyche or not.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 2: I mean, either way, it's not going anywhere. It's going
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 2: to be here.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: That's your point.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 2: It's going to be here.
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: You can't romanticize the past because that's not going to
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: come back.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Exactly. So at that point at all, it's on the
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: parent helping the child understand. Water off a duck's back,
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: no matter what it is. Something goes bad, in one ear,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: out the other. Next play.
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: What about with the, like... NIL is real popular right now.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: They can have players who will have do you'll have
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 1: players that will do get an NIL deal. Yeah. And
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: then there's like a couple of windows for the NIL.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Bring up how many windows are there? Cause there's some
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: before the season even ends or how many transfer portals
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: in the college season? Typically two main transfer portal windows, right?
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: A window, a winter window and a spring window. So
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: you can have a guy coming during the winter window.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: And I think they've had this get a deal. And
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: then he leaves during the spring window. Or he wants
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: a better deal. He hadn't even done anything yet.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's the game it is now. It's
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: a pay to play.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: Do you think that helps college football though over time?
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: Do you think it helps keep players in college for
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: a longer amount of time?
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: I think the fact that colleges in general are billion
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: dollar institutions or entities in general and have made so
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: much money off players' likeness for so long and the
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: players really had nothing. So I like the fact that
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: players are now able to take advantage of their likeness
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: and get paid early because everybody's not making it to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: the NFL.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: Everybody's not going to get there. So them being able
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: to make some change, make some cash now while they're playing,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: I'm all for it. I'm all for it.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: But do you think there will be players who don't
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: make it because they get money early that it damages them?
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: No, absolutely not.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: You don't think so?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: Well, it could. But getting that kind of money in college.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: If a guy gets that.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 1: Money early and he's spending it in a club or
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: he's buying a wagon wheel or a Jeep Wrangler, you're
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 1: going to tell me he's not going to want to.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Well, your end goal is the NFL. Your end goal
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 2: is always the NFL. Getting money in college shouldn't change
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: your long-term vision and your childhood dream of making it
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: to the big league.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: But you don't think that somebody could suffer?
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: If you gave me that money early.
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 2: That little bit of money is to help family. That's
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 2: to help family.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: I don't know if these guys are using it for that, though.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: No, trust me, they're using it for family. Because you don't,
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: you know, based on where some of these individuals are
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: coming from, this is a huge jumpstart to being able
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: to help their family. But the end goal of the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: real money is in the NFL.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 2: Not NIL.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: What's the most somebody made in NIL this past season?
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Let's take a look at it.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Probably four million. Maybe five.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: But you got people doing dog food commercials and shit
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: in their small town and stuff.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, get it. Get it while you can.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: Getting six or seven racks out there. Four years of
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: college right there. What's the biggest NIL deal in college football?
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 1: The highest NIL in college football. Oh, it's Arch Manning.
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: That's right. 6.7. Yeah. How many years is that, though?
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: He only got three more to go.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 1: Is that 6.7 a year, you think?
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: No, total.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: That's total. Yeah. So that's different, but that's better than, like,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: if that's a fifth-round pick or something.
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: You got to remember, arts comes from money anyway, so
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: that's not new to him.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: Right, it's probably not making his biggest choice. Yeah. How
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: often do you guys tape your show?
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 2: Now it's based on the NBA playoffs, so we're off tonight.
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: So we just did Thursday, Wednesday— Tuesday. We're off tomorrow. No,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: we're off today. We're on tomorrow. Sunday, Monday. And we're
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: on Saturday, Sunday. Wait.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: You tape all the time, huh?
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun. It's fun. The NBA game,
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 2: the NBA playoffs. And we always have an NBA guest on.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: So I'm enjoying that. I'm enjoying that.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: Did you think about other, like, is there another venture
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: you'd like to get into? You feel like you're in
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: a good space? It seems like you're in a pretty
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: good space. Yeah, right now I'm good because this is
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 1: my off season. You know, when football season gets here,
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 1: I'm on NFL films. I'll be on ESPN this year
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: with Stephen A.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 2: So I'm good. This is my off time.
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: What's he like, man? Is he really like he seems,
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Stephen A?
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Cool as hell. Cool as hell. Stephen A has afforded
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: me opportunities I couldn't have imagined. Couldn't have imagined. Yeah,
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: so I like it, especially being in space, being able
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: to transition into media.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: It's been really good for me.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah, you got to have, I think having that,
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 1: just being able to have a voice, you know? And
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: you still have a voice in the sport that you love.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: You still have some sort of a say or at
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: least an opinion and stuff, you know?
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, an opinion that's respected, especially when it comes to football.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah. When you look back on your experience with the Bengals,
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: what is like, obviously, you know, the play and everything
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: like that. What was Cincinnati like then? What was the
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: energy like then?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: It was good. It was good, especially that 2005 year,
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: which that was the year we were on. Fire, offensively.
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: And obviously defense, they were having takeaways like crazy. That
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: was our year. If Carson didn't go down in that
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: first round of the playoffs against the Steelers, that was
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 2: our year to hoist a trophy. That was that year. Oh,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 2: my goodness. The city was on fire. I can just
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: imagine now. Hell, yeah. Every year, every year now with
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow there, you know you have an opportunity. You
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 2: got a chance.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Rudy Johnson was a beast, remember? Oh, yeah.
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: Rudy, whoosh. Those are some good dudes, man. Matter of fact,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: I have a group chat with half of everybody in here.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Hoosh is in there. I'm in there. Rudy Johnson is
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: in there. We got Carson. Justin Smith is in that
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 2: group chat. I haven't seen some of these names. Oh,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: Brian Simmons is in the group chat. I haven't seen
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: some of these names in so long. Oh, look at
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: Odell Thurman. Odell was really good.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: It's wild. Some guys, it's like they'll have a great.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 1: Like Rudy Johnson was huge for a few. He had
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: a couple of great years. Oh yeah.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: And then you didn't hear about him. Yeah.
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't know where I don't, I can't
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: remember where Rudy went after he left.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: And it's not even a judgment against him. It's just like,
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: that's how it's like things come and go fast.
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 2: In the league. It does. Listen, those years go by
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: real fast, very fast.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: Damn. 11 and five.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Damn. And we were on fire, man.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: And who was y'all's backup? Who came in as backup quarterback? Yeah.
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: Who was our backup that year? Oh, John Kidna. He
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: now coaches at Lakota East or Lakota West High School
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: in Cincinnati. Carson Palmer is now coaching in L.A. I
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: don't know what school he's coaching at.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: And Kidna, y'all didn't break through that second round?
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: No, no, no, man. The Steelers won that game, man.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: They won that game. Oh, John. That's my guy.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of anything else, man, I could
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: think about. Do you love living down here in Florida?
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: That's all I know. Been all over the world, B.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: I'd have been all over the world and it's nothing
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: like home. No matter where I go and I do
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: all my traveling strictly for soccer purposes. I'm a huge
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: soccer enthusiast. Love soccer.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: You think you could have played it at a pro level?
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 2: I would have had to start when I was four
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: years old. If I started when I was four years old.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: Is that intrinsic, huh?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love it. I love it. I love the atmosphere,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: the energy. I don't think people understand. We don't look
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: at soccer as a sport. Why are you like, all
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 2: they're doing is running around. The score is only 1-0.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: But you don't understand how beautiful that game is. It's
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: like painting a picture. And if you watch it and
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 2: understand what you're watching, then you'll appreciate it more.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 1: That's your favorite sport, you think?
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Times 10. Then football.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: What's the best place to see a soccer game at, then,
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: you think?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: For me?
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: Growing up, I had the opportunity to see a river
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 2: game versus Boca Juniors in Argentina. You'll never see an
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: atmosphere like that ever again.
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 1: Dang.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: And I don't think people, it's kind of dangerous, but still,
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: River Plate and Boca Juniors. Obviously, I've seen every EPL team.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: I've been to their stadium. I've seen every La Liga
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: team play. El Clasico, Real Madrid, and Barcelona is always
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: a good one.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: So you've been to a lot of these famous stadiums
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: and parks.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Every last stadium. Yes, every last one. It was magical, huh?
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: I did the World Cup. Well, Qatar with Fox. I
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: was the analyst for- Really? Yeah, for Fox.
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: Damn, Jay. You've done a lot of amazing stuff.
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: Dude, I love, love soccer, man. If I had to
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 2: choose between going to a soccer game or just watching
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: and having sex, I'm picking soccer every time.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Over sex?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely. I don't care who it is.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: I don't care who it is. That's how much I
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: love the game, the beautiful game.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to think. Let me think. Oh, yeah,
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: I would probably go. Yeah, sex sometimes gets a little
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: bit boring, kind of, you think?
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: Depends.
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe not boring. That's not the best word.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I did amateur porn growing up. So
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: for me, it's.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: You did amateur?
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amateur porn, yeah. It's just the only difference is
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: I didn't get paid for it.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why I was an amateur.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: And so were you, and were people doing, were people
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 1: filming it?
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a tripod camera set up.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you were a tripod, yeah.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. Those tapes still out there, you think? They did.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: It earned me some good money.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, you had a tape out there?
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: No, I had a tripod and I just sold them myself.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, bet, yeah. Yeah. God, I don't know. I hope
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: there's nothing out there of me.
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 2: No, yes. Right now, probably back then, I don't even
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: think they sell the camcorders back then for someone to
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: be able to blackmail me at this point.
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They might have some drawings of me having sex, though.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: There we go.
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: Are you married?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: Some clay figures, no. I got to get married, man.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: Do you have a girlfriend?
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: Not right now. No? I'm going to get one, though.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: How do you navigate that? I just be careful.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: Are you cautious on who you're dealing with based on
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: now being the guy?
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty cautious.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because things happen. I mean, even with your co-hosts.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: I think there's more opportunities, maybe.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 1: Everything's weird now.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: It just feels.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Things feel kind of scary, and you don't know even
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: if you're doing the right things that somebody could take
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: advantage of you.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: Yep, they can.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: And then at the same time, I have a lot
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: of friends that are sex addicts that get caught up
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: just in sex and in that world, and it becomes
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: like an addiction to them.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it can be. A lot of people, I hate
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 2: when people call sex an addiction. Really? I really don't
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: like that because we're mammals. We're put on earth. in
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: general to to have sex oh yeah to procreate in
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: general we pump and so i just i hate the
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: fact that we have all these definitions oh he's an
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 2: addict no you're not it's sex it's something that we
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: as humans actually do some do it more than others
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: and that just you know it's cool yeah.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: Some people enjoy doing it a ton some people.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: Don't yeah yeah and some enjoy doing it with with
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: multiple people you know and just it is you ever
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: been to a swingers club.
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: I never been no man I mean, yeah, I used
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: to work at one. Oh, you did? Yeah.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: I used to be a gigolo for rich, rich, rich.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: Women. Really? Tommy Lee was a gigolo. He was?
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 1: Tommy Lee from Molly Crew.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Molly Crew?
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: That's dope.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 1: He's a gigolo. So would you get hired to get
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: out there and take these women out on dates?
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, get on dates. And obviously they had billionaire husbands,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 2: billionaire boyfriends that didn't have the time for them. And
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: I would just fill that void. that they weren't getting
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 2: at home because of them being busy.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: So the husband's just so busy, I'm just gonna, I'm
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: gonna treat my wife to a date, at least she
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: can go do something nice. Well, the husband didn't know.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: Oh, secret. Yeah, it was an ad. It was an
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: ad in a paper.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: You put your own ad out?
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I put my own ad out.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: And what would the ad say, ballpark?
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Based on the information that what they were looking for,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: I had a menu of services that I provided.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 1: And was someone sexual or not?
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, someone was sexual, someone would just be spending time,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 2: you know, dates. movies, conversation, massage, stuff like that. And
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: most of the time it was more about sex and,
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 2: you know, fulfilling that fantasy of being with a black guy.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: That's a marketable fantasy, huh?
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 2: Of Mandingo descent.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: Oh, damn. Yeah. And how do you know if someone's
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: Mandingo or not?
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: Well, anything.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: What region is that?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: The lower region.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Bring it up. Where have I been? I've been to Tanzania. Yeah. Mandingo.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: On a map. Yeah, there we go. Okay. West Africa.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: So if they want to see that West, if they
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: want that West Africa energy, huh?
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more of a term in referencing the private area.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: Mandingo. Oh, it's a... Wiener term? Yeah. Oh, dang, I
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: didn't know it. I've heard it.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: Right, right.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: Mandingo guy or whatever.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you had women trying to just be with
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: a black man?
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they just wanted to fulfill that fantasy.
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 1: And were they paying a decent amount for it?
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, for an hour, I could make anywhere
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 2: from $ 3, 500 to $ 5, 000.
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: My goodness.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: God, would you wear your jersey or not?
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: No, this is before I even, I hadn't even made
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 2: it yet.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow.
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because at that point, I wouldn't need the money
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: if I'm already in the league.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, I bet.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 2: So that's the way, you know... in college dang you
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 2: know I used to strip too did you really in
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: LA at the right track damn yeah I was a
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: dancer they used to call me Twix really why cause
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: I was skinny and had a lot of veins mmm
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: oh yeah I liked the Twix yeah dang man was
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: that a fun sport it was fun it was fun
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: it was fun would you.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 1: Do the splits as well out there no.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: I didn't do the splits I didn't do the splits
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: but what I did come to learn is the women
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: of of 200 plus pounds or more they tip much
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: better than everyone else Oh, yeah. Yeah, they did.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Did they? Oh, yeah.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: They tip well.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: And would you ever get hired by those women for sexual?
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: At times.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: At times, yeah.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: At times, yeah.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: And is it more challenging? I feel like do you
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: have to do more for more of a Rubenesque woman?
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: I've been with some probably medium-sized girls. I've never been
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: with like a real more of a larger, bigger, larger maybe.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: You know, like I've never been with like a big
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 1: X to plug type woman.
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: 200 plus, I love. I love.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: I love that. I just do. Theo, I got so
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: many good stories, man, from back then. It's just we'd
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: be here all day.
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 1: But would you guys ever go to like a drive-in
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: movie or what would y'all do?
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: Holy shit. Speaking of drive-in, I haven't been to a
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 2: drive-in in years. Do they still have drive-in theaters? Especially
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: here in Florida. That would be a great date. I'm
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: so glad you brought that up.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to get to a drive-in out
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: there with a lady.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be dope.
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 1: Was it ever scary going over to a woman's house, though?
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. No, because I already know. Yeah, no. Nothing
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: to be scared of. Nothing to be scared of. I'm
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: just going to perform to put on a show.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: And was there a certain amount of time you had
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: to do sex for? You could just, was it like
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: part-time or full-time kind of?
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Well, it depends on what she picks from.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, depending on what you got. You could pay
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 1: cash or check.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: No, I don't do checks. Cash. Cash up front.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: Damn, bro. Yeah. So you've always been entrepreneurial, huh?
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely. You got to start somewhere.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: And would you wear a special suit or a bandana
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: or anything?
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: No, no. Just banana hammock.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: Just casual attire, huh?
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Would you lotion up that wiener.
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 2: Or whatever before you go? Yeah, lotion up everywhere.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 2: Oiled up. Especially when I come on stage.
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you don't even knock. You just slide through the lock.
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: Right on in.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Come on.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: Right on in.
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: Ocho Cinco, man. Well, I would love to go to
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 1: a game whenever you go watch your daughter in Kentucky.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, most definitely. It's outdoor season right now, too. It
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: just started.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 1: So when I get up there, you got to come
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 1: on down. I'd love to, man. Do you think that
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: some players secretly lobby to get into the Hall of Fame?
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, rightfully so. For those that understand...
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 2: For them, if it means that much to them, being
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: a part of that entity of special people, yes. But
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: then there's some players also, like myself, that feel that
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: I don't really need the validation. I understand who I
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: am and what I did during my time. And I'm,
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: in general, I don't really need it. I hate the
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 2: fact that there are certain people that sit in places
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: that are in a position of power that can control
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 2: individuals that no longer play. It's like puppets. Oh, yeah,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 2: I know you want to be here so bad, so
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: I'm controlling whether you can get it or not. I
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: would never give anyone the satisfaction, the power over me.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: I don't care about your shit. Take it.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, it's great. It's a great achievement, a
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: great accomplishment, but come on. I have too much going
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: on now still.
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: Right. Every day you have a lot of adoration and
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: things that you get to still be active and admired
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 1: in a sport that you enjoy. Who's that?
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: When I put that Hall of Fame jacket on myself.
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Good for you.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: I think there are 269 members in the Hall of Fame,
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: but that jacket right there, that's one-on-one.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: Gang, gang. That's the truth, huh?
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: That's one-on-one. There's only one of those.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: Dude, yeah. That's a good point.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: What if you started your own little hall?
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Listen, the Hall of Fame is unbelievable, you know,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: to be able to get there.
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I'm not discrediting it.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, me neither. I'm just saying, but I don't like
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: the power it holds over players that are retired. because
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: they're clamoring, trying to get in because of.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 1: What it means. It's the same with these Emmy Awards
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: and Academy Awards for acting and stuff. I respect that
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: it's an award that people have admired and stuff, but
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: if people out there blowing directors and shit to get
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: the award, or they're having a... pity patter to them
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: because they hope they vote for them. I don't like
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 1: that shit.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: That's not me. It never has been.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: In fact, take me off the fucking ballot because I
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: don't even want you to be able to tell me no.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: That's how I feel. I don't even want you to
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: be able to say you didn't get it. I never
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: wanted it. You know what I'm saying? It's almost even
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 1: a better take. With the future, I know Shannon's going
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: through his stuff right now. With the future of y'all's show,
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: do you guys worry about that? Does it impair it
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: or do you feel... Unc is going through his issues, right?
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 2: And whatnot. And Unk asked me to be a part
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: of Nightcap. And I'm going to ride that wave because
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 2: he asked me to come on. I'm not jumping ship
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: because of his personal stuff that you handle whatever you
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 2: need to handle. I'm always be here.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be here. You know, if the ship
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: go down, bitch, I'm going down with it.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 2: You know, so when the ship was going good, I
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: was right here. Just because it's just because it's fucking rocky.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 2: I ain't going nowhere. I'm not going nowhere. So I'm
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 2: going to let Uncle do what he needs to do.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: We're going to keep on filming. We're going to keep
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: on trucking. We're going to keep our head down. He
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  Speaker 2: knows what he needs to do on his end, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure I take care of my
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  Speaker 2: end and do what I need to do and show up.
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  Speaker 2: That's it.
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  Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, man. You know what it reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of is when Bill Belichick, remember when Trump, people got
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: on to Bill Belichick about Trump, and what did he
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 1: say about him? Remember when everybody was against Trump? Remember
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: that shit?
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  Speaker 2: They still are.
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  Speaker 1: That's a good point.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, now even for different reasons, man, how they're handling
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: some of the Middle East stuff. But he said, my
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: relationship with Donald Trump isn't political because the media was
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: really getting on to him.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: He said, my relationship with Donald Trump isn't political, Belichick said,
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  Speaker 1: on the dynasty. I knew him long before he got
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: into politics. Donald is a friend, and I wrote a
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: personal letter. Might have been it. But he stood up
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: for the fact that this is my friend.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 1: This is my friend, and people can... There can be
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: other stuff that he has going on in his life,
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  Speaker 1: but that isn't, I'm not going to not be a
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  Speaker 1: friend then, right? So yeah, it just kind of reminds
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  Speaker 1: me of that. Anything else you wanted to talk about, Chad?
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  Speaker 1: Probably got a lot of good stuff. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: you had a good conversation. Yeah. Sometimes it's hard. Sometimes
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: you have days where you're like, you got it. You
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: got everything going. Everything's okay. Sometimes you have days where
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: you're like, what's even going on? It's weird. Sometimes you
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: get scared. Sometimes you don't. Yeah. Or nervous about certain moments.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think black people get as nervous as white
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: people do. Do you think that that's true?
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  Speaker 2: It depends. It all depends on the atmosphere. It all
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: depends on the atmosphere and the situation. I mean, driving
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 2: a car and the cops pull up behind you, we
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 2: get nervous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I'm like, hey, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys not so much. You get nervous.
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  Speaker 1: That might be a good point. So in different moments.
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  Speaker 1: But I think also a good thing that a lot
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: of black folks have is white people. You could tell
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: when they're nervous. Cause you could see it in their skin. Yeah.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: We give a lot of too many clues away. So
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: I think I got to start wearing some, some, some
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: rouges or just like, I got to start wearing some bronzer. Um,
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  Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Chad.
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  Speaker 2: No, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Best of luck, man. I love your energy, bro. Thank
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: you for being somebody that continues to entertain people. You know,
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: it's just interesting to hear what your life has been
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 1: like and how you kind of choose. Somehow you're able
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 1: to remarkably choose to still just be yourself no matter
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 1: how kind of hectic things get.
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  Speaker 2: Doesn't matter. No matter what. I always even keel at
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  Speaker 2: all times.
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  Speaker 1: And your even keel is even keel-nevil, too, to a
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: lot of people. You know, it's wild. But that's who
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: you are.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, always been and will never change. I will always
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: remain authentically myself at all times.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's been fun to watch, man, on the field
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  Speaker 1: and off. And, yeah, thank you for your time.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, boss. I appreciate it, baby.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Yes, sir.
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  Speaker 3: Now I'm just floating on the breeze And I feel
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 3: I'm falling like these leaves I must be cornerstone oh
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 3: but when I reach that ground I'll share this peace
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: of mind I found I can feel it in my
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 3: bones but it's gonna take