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- 0:02Time for another Investor Exchange podcast. Here are your hosts, Matt and Sally.
- 0:07Welcome back to the Deep Dive. We're jumping straight in today looking at the
- 0:11annual results for China Environmental Resources Group Limited.
- 0:14That's CERGLE for the year ending June 30, 2025.
- 0:19And our mission really is to figure out what seems like a, well,
- 0:23financial paradox. If you just glance at the headlines, their loss actually
- 0:27got smaller by almost 40 percent, which sounds pretty good, right?
- 0:31It sounds great on the surface, absolutely.
- 0:32But then you dig a little deeper, look at their actual businesses,
- 0:34and uh-oh, revenue is just collapsing. So we need to ask, what's actually propping this company up?
- 0:40And are there some operational disasters being hidden by accounting moves?
- 0:45It really is a fascinating case study. Financial reporting versus,
- 0:48let's say, operational reality.
- 0:50And the operational pain, well, it's hard to miss.
- 0:54Total revenue just fell off a cloud, dropped, what was it, 26.6%?
- 0:58Yeah, a huge drop. From HK $82.8 million down to HK $60.7 million,
- 1:05I mean, normally a contraction like that, you'd expect the bottom line to get much, much worse.
- 1:09But here's the twist for you, the listener.
- 1:12The net loss shrank significantly from a really bad HK $72.1 million loss last
- 1:19year down to HK $42.9 million this year.
- 1:22So it feels like we're looking at a company that, well, struggled to sell its
- 1:26products, but somehow managed its accounts very effectively.
- 1:29We need to find those non-cash levers, you know, the things that made the P&L look less bad.
- 1:33Let's try and unpack that. So the loss per share basically halved,
- 1:37went from 16 Hong Kong cents down to 8 cents.
- 1:39Now that signals to the market that maybe things are getting better,
- 1:42maybe stabilizing, but you're saying this stability might be,
- 1:44well, a bit of an illusion.
- 1:46Largely, yes. It's not about operational wins here. So what was the biggest
- 1:48single factor, the non-operational thing that really helped that bottom line
- 1:52look better? Okay, so this wasn't about selling more tires or recycling more metal.
- 1:56This was fundamentally an accounting reprieve.
- 1:58The single biggest swing factor, it was how they valued their standing timber,
- 2:03their biological assets. Ah, the trees.
- 2:06Exactly. The technical term is the loss arising from changes in fair value,
- 2:10less cost to sell of biological assets. That number just plummeted.
- 2:15It was roughly HK $38.6 million in write-downs in 2024, this year.
- 2:21Only HK 5.37 million dollars.
- 2:24No hold on so that's a difference of about HK 33 million dollars in losses that
- 2:29just disappeared from the statement year on year.
- 2:32Vanished is a good word for it yes it didn't reflect better operations.
- 2:36So the company didn't suddenly become brilliant at selling stuff they just didn't
- 2:39have to write down the value of their trees as much as they did the year before
- 2:42it was a less bad loss not really a good result.
- 2:45Precisely that single adjustment it accounts for most of the improvement you
- 2:48see in the net loss figure.
- 2:49Now, to be fair, they did find some savings elsewhere that helped contain the
- 2:53damage a bit. Like where?
- 2:54Well, administrative and operating expenses were cut quite a bit from HK $40.9
- 2:58million down to HK $35.7 million.
- 3:02And finance costs also dropped slightly from HK $6.8 million to HK $5.9 million.
- 3:07So some genuine cost control was happening.
- 3:09Okay. So the biological assets gave them that huge accounting break and they
- 3:13tighten their belts internally.
- 3:14But I also noticed something kind of strange with their investments seemed like
- 3:18a big game from a really small portfolio.
- 3:20Oh, you pick up on that. Yeah. Yes, that was another unexpected twist.
- 3:23Their net game on fair value changes in investments actually shot up.
- 3:28It went from HK $1.59 million last year to HK $5.67 million this year.
- 3:34Wow. But here's the kicker.
- 3:36Their total investment portfolio, the actual assets they hold,
- 3:39it shrank to almost nothing, just HK $140,000.
- 3:43So how do you get a nearly HK $6 million gain from only HK $140,000 in assets?
- 3:49It strongly suggests they got, well, very lucky on maybe one or two specific
- 3:53trades or holdings just before they effectively wound down that activity.
- 3:56It's a nice gain, but it's from a non-core area they seem to be exiting.
- 3:59A lucky break, you could say. A lucky break? Sure.
- 4:02But you can't run a company on lucky breaks forever, especially when revenue
- 4:05is down almost 27 percent.
- 4:07So, OK, the accounting department did well, maybe got lucky.
- 4:11But what about the people actually selling things?
- 4:14If the P&L was saved by spreadsheets, where did the customers go?
- 4:18Which business segments are really dragging things down operationally? Right.
- 4:22So there are two main areas facing, frankly, catastrophic structural problems.
- 4:26And both are heavily exposed to what's happening in the greater China economy.
- 4:29First, the motor and motor accessories business. Revenue there fell sharply
- 4:32from HK $63.7 million down to HK $48.7 million.
- 4:37What's driving that decline? It seems to be consumer confidence,
- 4:41particularly in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
- 4:43People are putting off car maintenance or when they do buy tires,
- 4:46they're trading down. They're choosing cheaper, lower tier brands.
- 4:49And Sergal's main supplier is Pirelli, a premium brand. Pirelli just doesn't
- 4:54make those budget tires. There's a fascinating global link here, too.
- 4:58Geopolitical tensions think Red Sea, Gulf of Aden, they're disrupting shipping from Europe.
- 5:04Directly impacts their ability to get those premium Pirelli tires,
- 5:08especially the specialized ones needed for things like racing events. That's incredible.
- 5:12Global shipping snarls hitting local tire sales in Hong Kong and Taiwan.
- 5:16Okay, now what about the part of the business that actually has environmental
- 5:20resources in the name? The metal recycling side. How did that do?
- 5:23Oh, the metal recycle business numbers are, well, they're almost hard to look at.
- 5:27Revenue just plummeted from HK $9.8 million last year, all the way down to HK
- 5:32$2.8 million this year. Yikes.
- 5:34What happened there? It's deeply tied into China's broader industrial situation.
- 5:38You've got massive overcapacity in China's steel sector, which has crushed scrap steel prices.
- 5:44Yeah. At the same time, internal demand, you know, for infrastructure,
- 5:48building projects, that's softened dramatically.
- 5:50Plus, the huge state-owned steel giants, they dominate the market.
- 5:54And they're apparently not relying much on scrap metal as a primary input source right now.
- 6:00So the group has pretty much admitted defeat locally. They're slowing down efforts
- 6:03in China and actually exploring shifting focus to, quote, lower risk countries.
- 6:08That's a huge signal they can't compete effectively in the PRC market anymore.
- 6:12Wow. So it really sounds like they're retreating on those two big fronts, motors and metals.
- 6:17Did any of their smaller ventures offer any kind of, I don't know,
- 6:20stability? I think you mentioned money lending and maybe a hotel lease.
- 6:23Yeah, those were the niche areas. They did provide a tiny bit of stability.
- 6:26The money lending interest income actually went up slightly from around HK307K to HK368K.
- 6:33And their hotel leasing business, which is in Nepal, that was stable too.
- 6:37Revenue edged up just a little from HK4.78 million dollars to HK4.92 million dollars.
- 6:43Okay, so not bleeding cash, but definitely not enough to offset the millions
- 6:47lost in the main segments. Exactly.
- 6:49They aren't liabilities, but they're certainly not saviors here.
- 6:52Right. Now let's circle back to those biological assets, the timber.
- 6:56We know the loss calculation looked better because the write-down wasn't as severe this year.
- 7:00But what about the actual trees, the physical asset value? Did that go up or down?
- 7:05That's a great question. The underlying fair value of the standing timber actually
- 7:09dropped slightly overall.
- 7:11It went from HK $190.9 million down to HK $189.0 million.
- 7:17Oh. But didn't the trees grow? Yes, that's the interesting part.
- 7:21The actual volume of timber increased slightly, about 0.23 percent just from natural growth.
- 7:26But that growth was wiped out, and then some, by two market factors.
- 7:31First, the market price for popular timber fell by about 3 percent.
- 7:34And second, the renminbi weakened against the Hong Kong dollar.
- 7:37Reducing the translated value.
- 7:39So the asset value is actually eroding despite natural growth,
- 7:41and they haven't harvested anything for two years. Correct.
- 7:45No harvesting for two consecutive years. They're essentially just holding on
- 7:49to this green asset, which leads to a really important potential shift in strategy.
- 7:53Since they're not logging, the report mentions they're now exploring how to
- 7:57capitalize on carbon credits from the plantation.
- 8:00Ah, so pivot from selling timber as a commodity to maybe selling its environmental benefit.
- 8:05Potentially, yes. It could be a way to derive value if the timber market itself isn't attractive.
- 8:10A necessary pivot, perhaps. A necessary pivot indeed.
- 8:14But look, the P&L might have looked less bad due to accounting,
- 8:17but the real state of the company's health, that seems to be screaming from
- 8:21the balance sheet, especially liquidity. You mentioned cash earlier. Yes.
- 8:25And this is where things look quite alarming. The balance sheet is flashing
- 8:28bright red warning lights.
- 8:30If the P&L improvement was somewhat masked, the liquidity issues are stark.
- 8:34Cash and cash equivalents just cratered from HK $22.8 million at the end of
- 8:38last year down to just HK $1.92 million as of June 30, 2025.
- 8:43Under HK $2 million in cash.
- 8:46For a company this size? It's incredibly low. And this connects directly to
- 8:50the most serious warnings in the report.
- 8:52The group had that net loss we discussed, HK $40.3 million in the P&L,
- 8:57and it had an operating cash outflow of HK $9.6 million, meaning day-to-day
- 9:03operations burn through cash. But here's the most critical part.
- 9:06As of the balance sheet date, June 30, 2025, they had net current liabilities
- 9:11of approximately HK $28.7 million. Okay, for the listener who might not be deep
- 9:16into finance, what does net current liabilities really mean in plain English?
- 9:20It means their short-term debts, the money they owe and have to pay within the
- 9:23next 12 months, are significantly larger than their short-term assets,
- 9:26like cash, receivables, inventory.
- 9:29They owe HK $28.27 million more in the near term than they have readily available
- 9:33assets to cover it. That sounds preterious. It is.
- 9:35And the auditors explicitly state that this combination, the loss,
- 9:39the cash outflow, and the net current liabilities, indicates a material uncertainty
- 9:44which may cast significant doubt on the group's ability to continue as a going concern.
- 9:49That phrase, going concern, is the most serious flag an auditor can raise.
- 9:54It questions if the company can realistically survive the next year.
- 9:58That's about as serious as it gets. So what are the directors actually doing
- 10:03about this? How are they planning to keep the lights on and pay those bills?
- 10:07They outlined a three-pronged approach to try and manage this liquidity crisis.
- 10:10First, and this is absolutely crucial, the executive director,
- 10:13who also happens to be the chairman, the CEO, and a major shareholder,
- 10:17has personally undertaken to provide adequate funds to meet the group's liabilities
- 10:21as they fall due for the next 12 months.
- 10:23So the CEO is basically putting his personal wealth on the line to backstop the company.
- 10:28That's what the undertaking implies, yes. It's their immediate lifeline.
- 10:32Second, they mentioned they have an undrawn banking facility of HK $20 million
- 10:36they can tap into if needed.
- 10:38And third, they're sticking to those cost-saving measures we saw reflected in
- 10:43the reduced admin expenses.
- 10:44Okay, that personal guarantee is huge. But it does make you wonder if that's
- 10:48a sustainable long-term fix or just,
- 10:50you know, buying time while the core businesses continue to struggle.
- 10:53Now, speaking of unexpected financial events, while they're scrambling for cash,
- 10:57let's talk about that property sale that fell through. It sounds like a bit of a silver lining.
- 11:01It was certainly an unexpected and probably very welcome cash injection.
- 11:06They had agreed to sell an investment property in the PRC. The sale fell apart
- 11:10because the buyer failed to complete the transaction. And the deposit.
- 11:14Because the buyer defaulted, Suragol was legally entitled to forfeit the deposit,
- 11:18which amounted to HK $11.8 million.
- 11:21It just kept it as liquidated damages. Wow. So someone else's failure to buy
- 11:26netted them nearly HK $12 million in cash. That's unbelievable.
- 11:31Talk about a non-operational lifeline helping with that cash crunch.
- 11:34Absolutely. a very significant one-off event.
- 11:36It doesn't fix the underlying business issues, but it certainly helped the cash
- 11:40balance at a critical time. What else is going on with their property holdings?
- 11:43Any other notable points there?
- 11:46Well, they continued to see fair value losses on their other investment properties,
- 11:50about HK $15.68 million this year. That's a recurring theme.
- 11:56And interestingly, to try to boost the value or competitiveness of their car
- 12:00parking spaces in Hong Kong, they're exploring installing electric vehicle charging facilities.
- 12:04Trying to modernize those assets a bit. Seems like it.
- 12:08And just touching on other balance sheet points, their gearing ratio,
- 12:11which measures debt relative to equity, actually improves slightly from 20.2%
- 12:16down to 17.9%, likely helped by the reduced overall debt.
- 12:20And as you'd expect with severe cost cutting, the employee headcount was slashed
- 12:25dramatically from 44 employees down to 31.
- 12:28That's nearly a 30% reduction in workforce. A major cut. definitely signals financial distress.
- 12:33Okay, let's pivot now to the bigger picture, the final segment.
- 12:37The macro environment. These internal problems aren't happening in a vacuum, right?
- 12:42What does the outlook look like for the key markets they operate in,
- 12:45according to the sources?
- 12:47Yeah, the external environment doesn't look particularly friendly,
- 12:50unfortunately. For the USA, the projections point towards an economic slowdown heading into 2026.
- 12:55Things like slowing job growth, maybe inflation kicked up by tariffs.
- 12:58The report mentions a fairly high probability, 35-40% of a severe recession there. And U.S.
- 13:03Health impacts global trade, global sentiment. Okay, what about closer to their
- 13:07core operations, China and Hong Kong? The PRC outlook is mixed.
- 13:11The IMS is forecasting moderate growth, maybe around 4.8%,
- 13:16But, and this is a big but, it's really being hampered by the ongoing property
- 13:20sector crisis, high debt levels across the economy, and the potential threat
- 13:24of more U.S. tariffs or trade friction.
- 13:26So growth, but with significant headwinds.
- 13:28And Hong Kong itself, projected solid GDP growth, maybe 2-3%,
- 13:32but is seen as very vulnerable.
- 13:35Vulnerable to external risks, like U.S. policy shifts or a weak U.S.
- 13:39Dollar, and also internal factors, like changing consumer spending habits within the city.
- 13:44So a pretty challenging external picture overall. Slowdown in the U.S.,
- 13:47headwinds in China, vulnerability in Hong Kong.
- 13:49How does the group say they plan to navigate all this uncertainty,
- 13:53given their internal issues, too?
- 13:55Their stated strategy seems to be one of, well, cautious defense and maybe some
- 13:59tentative diversification.
- 14:00They explicitly mentioned exploring the motor tires business in new countries.
- 14:04That looks like an attempt to reduce their heavy reliance on the struggling
- 14:07greater China market. Spreading the risk a bit.
- 14:09Exactly. And for the biological assets, the timber, they're continuing to work
- 14:13prudently, focusing on economic viability, which might mean not harvesting and
- 14:18seriously looking into those carbon market opportunities we talked about.
- 14:21It feels very much like survival mode combined with trying to pivot strategically where possible.
- 14:26OK, so let's try to synthesize all of this. If you had to boil down the entire
- 14:30financial story of Sergal for the year ended June 2025, what's the absolute
- 14:36essential takeaway for you, the listener? I think the essential takeaway is this.
- 14:40Sergal did manage to report a significantly smaller loss in 2025,
- 14:43but that improvement came primarily from non-cash factors, especially that much
- 14:48smaller write-down on their biological assets, and from some really aggressive
- 14:52internal cost-cutting.
- 14:54They also got bailed out, frankly, by some lucky investment gains in that huge
- 14:58forfeited property deposit.
- 14:59But underneath that improved bottom line. The core story is one of accelerating
- 15:04operational collapse in their two main revenue-generating businesses,
- 15:08motor accessories and metal recycling.
- 15:10And those collapses are tied directly to difficult geopolitics,
- 15:13disrupted supply chains, and seriously weak consumer confidence in their key markets.
- 15:17It really is the perfect example of why you have to read beyond the headline
- 15:21numbers in a financial report, isn't it?
- 15:23So given those huge net current liabilities, that dramatic drop in cash,
- 15:28and the heavy reliance on the CEO's personal financial guarantee,
- 15:31here's a final thought for you to chew on.
- 15:33How sustainable is this? how much longer can non-cash gains,
- 15:36accounting adjustments, and one-off windfalls mask what looks like a crumbling
- 15:40operational foundation?
- 15:42This is a case where the shrinking loss tells a far, far less complete and maybe
- 15:46less honest story than the shrinking revenue.
- 15:49You always, always have to ask where the numbers came from.