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E53: Boston, el sueño de todos los corredores - Joaquín Ortiz · Running Desde Cero

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Nice from scratch an amateur podcast where we' ll all learn to run together.
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Let' s run hello hello. Roners. Welcome to chapter number fifty
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- three of Rolmington Third Roners. You know Friday' s date to talk
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about what we' re most passionate about, which is running. So one
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more Friday with you don' t know what it took for us to record
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those chapters. We' re close to the competition, we' re training
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and we' re super tired, but, well, here we are before
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we introduce today' s guest, I want you to listen to this wedge.
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Bogotá with ready good, nothing, because without further preambles do us with the
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guest of today. What am I going to say something, see, see
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a view, the ninth best Colombian in Boston in the marathon passes from you
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a little while ago, so how are you going Joaquín ortiz an Oscar,
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how are you, how have you been welcome not. Thank you very much
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for the invitation. An honor to be here in this chair, because I
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know that many friends have been here, but also many referents and many people
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I admire, because in this passion to run, then happy and happy to
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be here with you and to share this time talking about running, which is
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what we all like so much. Of course, like all amateur athletes,
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it' s very difficult to fit this time. We' ve been looking
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for our space for a long time, but well, we have it and
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we have it at the best moment. But now we' re going to
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go to that moment and tell us everything he hears. Yeah, first of
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all, thank you, because we know that everyone' s going to run
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you run work, training, level training. Let' s say there'
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s you. It is not easy to share it with work also with your
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personal relationships. We thank you and well, jo here we base the podcast
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interview on two fundamental parts. The first thing is to know Joaquin as a
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person, that is, the times you can find what I have always said,
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the times we find on the Internet. But the person you are how
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you formed how many years you started interacting with sport. I' d like
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you to tell us all about yourself. Okay. I' m from Caramanga.
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Live in Bogotá. Fourteen years ago, after I finished school, I
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came to Bogotá, closed the university. I' m a professional ontologist.
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How many years she left school at 17. Ah, I thought at 14.
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No. No, no, no. No, I' ve been
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here for fourteen years, here, in Bogotá, or I came after I
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finished school to study ontology. You were telling them today anthologist by profession,
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I have a specialization in oral rehabilitation. My whole family was taking out my
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parents and brothers in Bogotá. I am the youngest of three brothers and sport
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has been in my life since I was very young, since I was five
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years old. I practiced nautical skiing in Bucaramanga, as early as thirteen fourteen
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years in a competitive level in national championships. I managed to be selected and
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participate in a Latin American selection Colombia. I skied and then played football as
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well as in high school, at school, the whole intercollegiate theme. But
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since I was up there in college, I had like a time when I
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didn' t do much sport. I think the first four or five semesters
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and that' s when I start, because this whole running theme, which
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is the utic corner, I want to ask you what that is. Note
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that the same ski we see in snow, but it is in ready water
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you go as you took the batos pulled, because by a boat you have
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not held hold of a rope. And there are three modalities. One is
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to do as a sig zag on a track that is made up of buoys,
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another is to make figures that can be high turns, different types of
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figures in a given time. And the last one, it' s jump,
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because it' s a ramp that' s vided in length or xalto
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and you do the three how many you do that. I believe that about
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ten twelve years and have lived in Pujara Manga, Yes, and in Bucaramanga
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there are two lakes mainly where that is practiced, which are located in an
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area that is called the Table of Saints It is about an hour from Bucaramanga,
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and there are two clubs in which one can quiar. In fact,
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Bogotá came a lot to ski tournaments. Here, in Bogotá there were the
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big ski tournaments, the national ones that were in the prairie of Potosí,
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in the Simón Bolívar, in the summer festival, which was a very special
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tournament because there were, therefore, many people and also many people came to
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the summer festival to see the tournament and in the club Los Lagartos there were
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also many wagons from here. I believe that it is still being done and
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that it is a sport that is still active in Colombia. How many years
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you spent doing that sports, as well as ten twelve years. I think
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about already national section. And everything does, and after that, then you
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go on to football, but more recreational or something like that, yeah,
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like by playing or doing some kind of sport at school at the time of
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Baccalaureate, because I was part of the college football selection. And if I
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played, I think from sixth to tenth, to eleven, at a long
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time, also the question of the million that I always believe the answers to
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those of what position you played. I played steering wheel, steering wheel,
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which is more like defensive steering wheel before recovery. Ah well, well,
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the World Cup broke in and in defense I was also always more defensive than
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offensive, if I say so, because all those who have passed like here
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Wigan football, which are almost all were always extremes. Then I didn'
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t say they were runners, that extremes run a lot, yeah, rest
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most people. Well, we know that here in Colombia most people start with
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their sport, being football and athletes we have interviewed, because they are all
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extremes. Not what led you to study ontology since I was a kid.
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You wanted to, because I was always like between two very different things.
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I really liked aviation, which was one of the options I had, and
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the other was ontology. In my family, there is treason and some relatives
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are all consumptions, as far away a sister of my grandmother, an aunt,
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a cousin of my father. Then there' s always some inheritance to
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that subject. But I think, since he' s eighth ninth in high
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school, he' s already started me as I' d like to attract
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attention They study ontology, of course, why aviation. No. I don
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' t think I liked the rhythm of life very cleverly and as the way
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they wore their day style until a long time outside their homes. And well,
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already these few years later I realized that because of a theme I have
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in my vision, I couldn' t have been a pilot then less bad,
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because I didn' t make the decision to have encouraged and do what
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you have. What do you got. I have a restriction to see the
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green colors. Oh, yeah, yeah, like that, but the temaphors,
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because it' s like a scale of greens isn' t that it
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' s true of birth, yes and you didn' t know until when
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I think on a test of those who do one for renewal of the pass.
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There I was beginning to read or look at some numbers in a few
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colors. And there were some numbers that I couldn' t, because I
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identified or read very well and they hurt good. It has a psychological limitation
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or restriction for a scale or range of colors that are green a chevere what
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it is called. I think it' s daltonism, but there' s
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like different degrees or levels of classification and that deria. There are some people
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who don' t see certain plas infuse me for others. But yes,
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I' m sure it would have been like a restriction to be able to
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record me or to be able to study it. If to drive a car
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is an inaumuravian thing, that has a cure. I think it can be
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corrected suddenly with glasses or glasses but I don' t know if it can
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be accommodated. But just as for your daily life, it does not represent
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you or affect you. Even so in ontology there is a very critical topic,
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which is the color selection for aesthetic cases. But, because green has
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nothing to do with the color of the teeth love. Then I don'
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t have any restrictions or any other limitations less bad. Well, you say
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the first semesters you studied ontology don' t practice. No sports. It
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has more to do with academic burden or because it is interested. Yes,
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or because the ontological load is heavy, it is high and it is a
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big change, because coming as one from school and going to college, also
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changing city is a totally different environment, because to the city in which I
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lived and grew up. And so college life is very different from school.
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Now what they were saying, and then you start as if you' re
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going out more, being more friends, running more. So I think it
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' s not like the time when you' re thinking more about doing,
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about playing a sport. Then I entered into study and social life. I
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think they left like the first semesters of college and how you know athletics.
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Then how your life comes in. I' m pretty clear about that story.
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I went on a manga vacation and returning to that vacation on a flight
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to Blanca, I found an advertisement for the ten Kadia bianca and by that
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date I think it was early January and I said well, like here pretty
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much give me the time to run and prepare for this disk and I started.
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I remember I started with an app on the cell phone that was like
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from the couch that you finished your first ten k and at first it was
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I walked three minutes, run one, walked three runs and so I started
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until I was going to run. I don' t know ten minutes.
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Continue for half an hour and in March I finished my first tencas if I
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' m not bad, that was for March, in two thousand fifteen,
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that is to say the other year. Let' s just say he'
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d turn ten as a runner. But someone tells you there' s this
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way of training, or you started looking on the Internet to see some.
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I just did what I was told, the application, but since you found
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me the app, you looked and looked if I looked for anyone told you
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I didn' t look on my cell phone and, in fact, at
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that time I also trained almost all the time in band. I didn'
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t go running to the street much. I went and did everything at the
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gym. Some of the other weekends around there went out on the cycleway,
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but most of the time it was a gym that stayed about two blocks from
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the house. Then I went and did the training there. That more than
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the whole app worked. It was like in times there was neither knew at
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that time that it was a peace, that it was a rhythm, but
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run two minutes on the path of minutes. Then it was a lot of
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sensations and how I didn' t perceive it. But initially how you felt
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about that training, because it' s retabora at first because it doesn'
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t cost you to start running two minutes for a person who suddenly, because
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he hasn' t done it, hasn' t done any exercise for a
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long time. But I think that because I have played sports as a child,
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because if you have a certain technique to do it, that is,
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one, you can not run without technique to play football, because suddenly that
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helped me clearly and the progress itself, because yes, you start to see
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how to the second or third week who says WII before was not able to
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run two minutes. I' m running five, I' m running ten.
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And it also creates an expectation as very pretty. And that one.
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If yesterday the app was telling me to run three minutes, that I'
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m going to put to being the day after tomorrow, but I was going
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to do it the next week. The same is true of discipline. You
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also had it from when you were trained, as it was already watery-
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tyrootic. Not clear, and you remember how long you spent on that Abiakana.
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I think it was fifty- four or fifty- seven minutes for that
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race. It can be good around there, you stopped or you didn'
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t stop, not for him and I remember, because at that time I
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ran with my cell phone here I didn' t have a clock. I
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think there' s a picture. You have a picture. Yeah, it
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urges big and that big one must be all right that you stretch your arms.
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In the end, if I gave it I would run with a band
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in my head, also for sweat. But I didn' t have any
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knowledge of hydration or nutrition, because nothing was just like going and running,
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because I remember it perfectly. Pren first ten k and that felt like,
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well like what I feel and crossing a marathon. I believe as if I
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was able to do this, that satisfaction so great and if I proposed and
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fulfilled it, I think I will be able to accomplish many more things.
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When you pass that goal you say, it' s not I want to
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keep running and also how it' s how it is that you always run
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in band, you train in band all of a sudden you go out once
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and again to the cycleway and get to an event of these where attendance is
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massive and you see that, since there are many people who run, I
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had mixed feelings, because there I kind of started to run and, for
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the same reason, that I didn' t have like a clock or a
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race plan or someone who would orient me I did it for sensations that day
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and for how he took the race for the people who ran, because with
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my igua next and also for the one that I didn' t see in
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the streets, because encouraging I didn' t feel like a big difference,
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since running in band where I did almost all the training to run on the
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street at that time. I' m sure if I' d suddenly like
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to train a little more on the street, because I would have felt better
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that day. But between emotion and all expectation, he doesn' t have
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his first career here. I don' t think he even remembers how the
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training went, but he was focused on finishing the race that day. And,
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well, everything goes well, only what and what I like most about
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the meeting is that we' re all given medals. I think that every
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last one they give then that feels like a different satisfaction to other sports,
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because let' s say in football one like playing a long tournament, winning
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games, losing games and in the end, in the semifinal or at nothing.
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If in a semi- final they take it out and there' s
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no medal or anything anymore, and then it doesn' t feel like it
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lost true. And then there, like, the feeling goes out after that
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race and you say yes now to look at a coach or you' re
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still with your self there, I' m still running a lot of time,
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I' m just starting to run a little bit more on the street.
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I keep looking for training plans on the Internet, in magazines, in
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applications. I think I can run two half marathons from Bogotá with training plans,
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so from the Internet. Yes, for the first half marathon that Bogota
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ran, I already had a watch, but I never had as well,
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a directed training or any coach, like that no community either, nor already
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after running the second, if I met Nike' s group there was for
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that time and another group called Gazela sacaca in Bogotá, but it was more
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than all communities like that people met and ran, but there was no training
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plan for a training aimed and here sportsman or to make their goals or plans.
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And with that, then, I managed to finish those two stockings.
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I think before that I ran the two ten capes that the half marathon of
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Bogotá also does. Let' s say I didn' t jump once the
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year after the half Marathon, but over there two or three years after I
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ran a couple of ten k more, how you felt about your first half
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barathon. Well, I felt good. I don' t think I suffered
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it. I didn' t like it very much. I think that'
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s like the race I say I start to feel like I' m really
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passionate about this here. I want to go a little further, which starts
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to feel like this is my thing. First character we interviewed that he didn
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' t suffer his first half marathon voice that boots. Half marathon is a
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very, very difficult race. It' s a very hard tour, after
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the park. Be a Bolivar, if it went out from the Simón Bolívar
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park and the route I believe that for that time it remained two thousand eight
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thousand, one day of the twenty- six seventh ninety- two, the
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thirty, until it returns to the Simón Bolivar. But as the race already
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jailed, the first one called me, there is a very great emotion in
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the body, there is a lot of expectation and among everything to that emotion
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and air nested in the first race. I don' t think I felt
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or didn' t have a hard time that day. You remember when you
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did the first half one forty- five. I think it went to super
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well already I had talent you start sharing with that kind of communities i e
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you' re going to meet them all the time. Or yes, well,
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by that time I did continue to train a lot with Night' s
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workouts, because they organized two weekly workouts and it was a pretty big community.
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I think they managed to gather in a single day or in a single
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training in three hundred and fifty- hundred people. Then it was, therefore,
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very cool, because one also knew himself with other people and because it
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was like a different plan, because for that time it was like between study
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and work, already, but since you invested more in running things such as
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clothing tennis clocks, there are also hydration issues and you already knew, because
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half a marathon of bogo almost one as you begin to integrate more into that
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community and to know other people, starts as also to know about running that
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are right there within the Community, that run to ca in Bogotá. And
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you start, because you know and learn about clothing that are tennis the whole
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hydration theme and they because yes for a half marathon, because already you have
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to know a little bit and it is also a good clothing, a good
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nutrition, a good hydration, because it is what allows to make a good
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career. Finally, that' s where you started as a little bit more
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seriously. That' s true, though I think the part about me starting
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out as training a lot more seriously. Here I' m going to jump
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a little bit, because I' m going to college, so I can
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tell you quickly. I had an exchange in Monterrey, Mexico. And in
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Monterrey, there' s a lot of running around. There are races every
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weekend, it is already with three four races on the same national weekend,
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and there are many areas to run many parks. There' s like four
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parks. Let' s say the size of Simon Bolivar. Then I ran
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a lot back then and when I came back like I already had a very
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good base and kept running. When you lasted there four months enough this college
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was in your last semester of college. It was an exchange that the university
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had. Then study grade cooking. I didn' t play how to go
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and be there for a few months and get back here, but of course
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not, as I hadn' t been. Your family did it, because
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that time you took it and you focused on running four months, you gave
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it hard to love cord There I ran a lot and I also took advantage
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that there were many races. Then it was like very entertaining to be,
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because competing or doing races, because all the time. Then, for I
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keep running a little more of a Monterrey, this in the two thousand seventeen
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and for the two thousand twenty I wrote my first marathon two thousand twenty.
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Yes, it was going to be in March, in two thousand twenty,
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in visur in California, in two thousand twenty, yes, one thing covid
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but for covid because it did not end up running. But before that,
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in October, in November, the two thousand nineteen, I said good already
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this marathon to almost need someone to train me, because for a marathon if
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I can not take a step in cases nor experiment, and I begin to
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train with a team that surely they should have known, that was very recognized
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here in Bogotá, that they were called ettos these. Well, I started
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all my training. It was going pretty well. I think that in February
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I was already making funds of thirty- two, thirty- four kilometers super
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excited, super excited about the race. It' s a very nice race.
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As for landscape per route, yes, it is very hard, because
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it is in a canyon. Then he' s got a lot of climbs.
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But the pandemic came that year and just in March, because they cancelled
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it and locked it up. Then in the pandemic you could run very little,
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yes, but just that year you had bought a bike simulator. Then
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I made a lot, a lot of bicycles in the pandemic. And there,
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yes, I begin to take the subject of sport much more seriously and
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I met a nutritionist there for sports, Isabel la Cuartas, with which,
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then, I changed my eating habits and learned a lot about sports nutrition.
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Also, because eating before eating during and eating afterwards loses a lot of weight.
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If you see pictures of me seen, I could have 10 pounds more
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than I weigh today. So, there, yeah, I' m starting
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to take myself a lot more seriously. Sport, nutrition, training. It
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used to be very recreational if there was a lack of training or it didn
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' t, because it was kind of quiet. So I do add it
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up as a little bit more discipline and, I mean, good. I
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like this. I' ll do it for pleasure, for fun, but
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with much more disciple. That marathon you' re preparing March of two thousand
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and twenty. At what time you were planning for her to go out or
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for the last quarter, as I think we thought, about three and a
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half hours, three hours forty- five and suddenly because of the artetry that
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the race had and so, then, I came as if running in that
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year, between two thousand nineteen and two thousand twenty. But let' s
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say when, when, when, when, when the pandemic comes out,
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you don' t feel that frustration of me wanted to go prove myself,
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I wanted to see the result of so much training, what do you do
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with that frustration, because obviously a frustration is going to appear. There.
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Yeah, well, it was like a very big disappointment, apart from cancelling
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the race. And everyone thinks that in a month again we' re gonna
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be running or on the street. And this is starting to be postponed and
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postponed. People start out as giving possible race dates and everything ends up canceling.
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Then it was also sometimes like playing with that illusion. Well, I
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can run the typhine and it didn' t happen. I did have such
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a big disillusionment because of course very little training was missing. As I was
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telling you in February, I was almost done with training. But nothing to
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turn the page. I think that at that time and with the pandemic and
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with what we all live, because they were also very hard and difficult times
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and the priorities of everyone as they changed. So, I did mourn not
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running that year. But that' s it. I focused on other things.
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I think that' s where I kind of focused a lot on continuing
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training, on maintaining the shape I was bringing in and waiting until another race,
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another marathon, turned out. But let' s say there are then
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I keep sending you as a training plan to do home you do the pandemic.
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We had a lot of virtual training and there were virtual groups, because
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to run in trotadoras of the people who bought trotadoras at that time. And
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we did some virtual ambio groups to ride SWIFT bikes for the app and sometimes
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we met up to forty- fifty people and rode, because at the same
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time, in those worlds of Switzerland we talked about an application that we had
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on our cell phone. I remember a lot that we made a route.
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I think it was about a hundred kilometers, or I don' t know
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how much simulators were mounted. It was four hours, but it' s
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fun. Yeah, well, that was it. Those were the new realities
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up to romantic dates or one per zomb but you see and this is that
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the marathon training is very long, I don' t mean, I don
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' t know what it is, in front of what you said, right
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now, you have to frustration, because it' s that one lasts four
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or five months training and one doesn' t know if it' s better,
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if it didn' t get better, but until the day of the
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race and I weighed frustrated. I had a question and it' s the
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topic of virtual racing. You did some virtual race because of course they started
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dating, that the virtual die, that the virtual half marathon and you did
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them and you came out let' s say in the restriction that we had,
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because at some point we kind of were being misled, but you were
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going out to run and afraid to see a cop or something. I think
28:27
virtual I made a challenge, but it was bicycle. I think he organized
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it to sura, which was very long. This one who told them about
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the four or five hours and another I see that it was like a duathlon,
28:45
which was, then, bicycle in the simulator and go out for a
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run, but they were very short distances, five another ten kilometers maximum.
28:55
But that was like July or August of that year. And there I already
29:00
noticed, because it had as improved, much advanced in the times, even
29:06
though it was not the marathon distance. I did say, as I remember,
29:10
that I had measured that I was running five ten kilometers at what I
29:14
am now running this speed. If I' ve improved there all the training
29:18
is going to be watching. I mean, Harto served you. Yes,
29:21
in fact, he is our marathonist and I say González, he took advantage
29:29
of the pandemic to prepare seville in the band, in the house, while
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the pandemic and was made national record of Moraton training like this in the house
29:38
in band, it is incredible what can be improved in the house, in
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the class I believe that, since ways of running or training, one will
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find. Finally, it is all a matter of wanting to do so,
29:53
not letting oneself be won by excuses and maintaining discipline and consistency. At what
30:00
point do you realize that strength, strength, weights and all of this are
30:07
important for because, of course, we always talk about running and running.
30:11
But, at the same time, the issue of strength, of strengthening must
30:15
come. Not if we don' t get hurt. At what time do
30:18
you realize before, when you made the virtual plans or with aetos or aétodos,
30:25
if we had in parallel to a training of strengthenings that was, then
30:32
in the house as exercises, almost with own body and with own weight or
30:37
with elastic bands. It was already optional. The Chinese wanted to put some
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weight in it. I say it without pity, since you mention it.
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It' s hard for me to strengthen. I think it' s my
30:51
point on the contrary to what many people may think. It' s hard
30:56
because I' ve never liked the gym, I' ve never liked the
31:00
tas thing. And also for the time that I train to add an hour
31:07
or an hour and a half strengthening it becomes very long a day of training
31:11
or too much time dedicated, because to train in a day and because I
31:18
have to work, work in the clinic, sometimes I see particular patients,
31:25
I have other jobs, I organize courses, I have family, I have
31:30
my girlfriend. Then I think it takes too much time and I find it
31:34
hard to do so. But yes, it' s a super important link
31:38
to run. I had an injury in the two thousand twenty- one,
31:45
which was, as a pandelette. So it was injury or a peak of
31:49
acute pain, but I do remember it very well and very painful that clear
31:56
episode and at that moment, because the doctor, the orthopeist who gave me
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is saying yes has to strengthen. And it' s like that, because
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I' ve already taken a lot more care of this issue. And for
32:07
me, strengthening has been like going to and coming to cycles where I'
32:12
m very judicious. I' m very strong. There are others where I
32:15
' m not so anxious or I' m not that constant, but yes,
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I' m trying at least to achieve. I don' t know
32:23
about a forty- five- minute session a week of strengthening. And finally,
32:30
I see strengthening as something that prepares the body to take on the training
32:35
burden when the volumes are going to be very high, because if we strengthen
32:40
a lot, I think it can also risk getting hurt. Yeah, totally.
32:45
Or here well, two thousand twenty Pandemia you do some virtual, two
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thousand twenty one you mention about the injury. Long time, how long it
32:53
keeps you out of the races of being resentful. Me, total unemployment ono
33:00
was little like three weeks. But then, like going back again, it
33:05
' s a very soft month out there, very spacious and always afraid of
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it. When it' s gonna hurt me, it' s gonna be
33:16
just as hard for me. If I go a little faster, suddenly it
33:21
hurts or. If I train any more days, I' ll suddenly get
33:25
upset again. So there' s the head, like it always plays a
33:30
very important role in the injuries, and it' s to get that confidence
33:35
back and get back to the body where you got it before. Sure,
33:37
so I think I might have been about a month and a half between recovery
33:44
and retraining. I think for it' s an injury, it' s
33:50
not too long. And I finally took it as a positive thing, because
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it was a time when I was studying, working, training. So I
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think it was a pause that asked me for the grateful game too then,
34:07
because I stopped it a little bit like I got organized more at work,
34:12
in the studio and resumed when it was possible which career was coming. I
34:17
was going to ask more or less the same first marathon or the two thousand
34:22
twenty- one, because you still couldn' t. There aren' t
34:28
many races. I don' t think there were many face- to-
34:32
face races in Colombia that year, but they open up the possibility of running
34:38
Chicago, already face- to- face in two thousand twenty- one,
34:44
okay, and in Chicago my first marathon, that was in October two thousand
34:46
twenty- one. And when you prepared it, how long you prepared it,
34:52
for there I come with a very large cycle or a base training,
34:55
because it was almost the entire two thousand twenty that combined between running and yes
35:02
and the whole first semester of the two thousand twenty- one. I was
35:07
running, too. Let' s say without a clear goal of a race
35:13
building base, but base, but yes, with good volumes, speed trainings,
35:20
backgrounds then marathon training. I think it would start in June or July,
35:25
more or less, to roam around the four months of Chicago prep cycle.
35:31
How' d it go back in Chicago, but before you tell us
35:36
how it went, how you got in,' cause they got there was
35:39
sorting and a lottery. On the other hand, for Chicago, I had
35:43
not entered the two thousand twenty to run in the two thousand twenty. Ah
35:50
guard as it was cancelled, for it had the possibility to run the cube
35:54
for the two thousand twenty- one and it could be confirmed how he occupied
36:01
the participation of the two thousand two thousand twenty- one relatively late, as
36:07
in mid- May June and as already felt, because it brought good preparation
36:12
and training is well. It' s good. This is the year and
36:14
let' s do it and end up running, because in the two thousand
36:17
twenty- one my first marathon in Girls, first may Now now, how
36:22
did it go because in two thousand twenty you had more or less budget to
36:30
do three hundred thirty, how much you did in Chicago. I remember very
36:31
much that for before Chicago, as in one of the last deep ones,
36:37
I was asked how much I wanted to do and I said well, with
36:40
three thirty, three hundred twenty give me well, served, but in the
36:47
last workouts also told me how you are not to run much better, much
36:53
faster and end up running in three hours, zero two. My first talent
36:57
marans say by God everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah, three, three,
37:02
two, three. Chicago is fast, or it' s because he
37:08
' s been very trained. Chicago is very fast. Boy' s got
37:14
the current record. It is a flat run if the conditions are in terms
37:19
of wind climate, because in terms of tail hole, you can look very
37:23
good brand and that year it was quite hot, especially after the half marathon.
37:31
I think it went up to, like, twenty- five twenty-
37:36
six degrees and it wasn' t like the most favorable weather. But then,
37:37
to do my first marathon in that time, because I think it'
37:43
s super happy and but I want to ask you something one can' t
37:50
mentally say I want to do three, twenty, three, thirty and go
37:52
out and do three, zero two, I mean you had I mean you
37:58
believed in you had the conviction that you could do that time. Or just
38:00
at the finish line, you started to see that you were. It made
38:02
it easy to run and you followed the same country always what happens, because
38:08
it is that Chicago is at sea level Aha and we are training here in
38:13
Bogotá in two thousand six hundred. There is always a margin there, a
38:17
difference and one does not really know how the day of the race will feel,
38:22
as it may have as close approximations or values, but it does change
38:28
a lot. When you' re at sea level. I was running here
38:32
about four, thirty, four. Your funds. Yeah, four, twenty
38:38
- five. I think the last funds were out there. And I go
38:44
running in Chicago for the first miles in four, fifteen, four, twenty
38:51
and I feel relatively good. There' s even a little bit faster,
38:55
and I feel good, like the whole race was in those rhythms. In
39:00
the end it cost me, because I think that for a topic so physical,
39:07
it is to be my first marathon, for a topic also mental,
39:10
like in the thirty- seven kilometer, because there were many people already walking
39:16
with cramps and that not to have run that distance, for I like from
39:20
the thirty- five, thirty- six, well now that it comes already
39:23
that the previous kilometers had run them in a background, but what was there
39:29
for forward not and because that played me like a little against, because it
39:32
was like uncertainty. But in the end it came out, because everything better
39:37
than planned and expected tremendous. How old were you when Corriste Chica was twenty
39:45
- seven, that is, you didn' t qualify for you. Not
39:47
that ten minutes to two minutes to classify super know how many you rank.
39:53
I don' t know if we' re gonna jump, make a temporary
39:57
jump, but, yeah, tell us. We don' t, we
40:00
don' t need Boston and look at the weather very quickly. Okay.
40:06
After that, well, if Boston stayed, let' s say close,
40:12
because two minutes for me running is too long. But you know if it
40:15
' s the Boston classification. You knew about that time I knew that with
40:21
three hours he recorded it that year, because there were no cuts if I
40:25
had done three hours, but things happened and let' s say I didn
40:35
' t look sad or radia. I was happy for my first marathon and
40:37
alone the next year. I run the half marathon in New York in March
40:45
and I do a really good time. And there you kind of start,
40:50
so do the calculations. If I have this time in half a marathon,
40:53
I think it fits for you. It was good when one eighteen, for
41:00
God' s sake, was very good. So if you already say good,
41:04
if I' m one eighteen, or let' s put five more
41:08
minutes on it, let' s oppose it in one ninety- five.
41:09
If it' s two hours fifty, I can already be getting marks for
41:15
Boston after running that half marathon in New York in March. In May he
41:27
decided to change coach. He trained with a team called mckirdy, my coach
41:34
is in America, his name is Michael Crauch. He trained with him since
41:38
two thousand twenty- one forgiveness two thousand twenty- two March May two thousand
41:46
twenty- two and with him I begin to do, therefore, all the
41:51
preparation of the cycle for Valencia, which was in December two thousand twenty-
41:58
two where I put a lot better compared to Chicago. And so I make
41:59
my hand for you. But come on, let' s talk a little
42:02
bit about that, from that training shift to another country' s training.
42:07
To this is the biggest difference you noticed from the beginning, well, it
42:14
is a distance training, but there is constant communication a constant feedback. There
42:22
is communication every day, almost that after all the workouts, the way to
42:28
train, because it is also a little different. There is much more running
42:32
in terms of volumes and distances, but if you actually run around eighty percent,
42:38
much of the volume at rhythms, since soft sounds or what we know
42:44
as aic RANS. And there are two days a week that specific or quality
42:49
jobs are done, which can be a job of speed and a background that
42:54
the bottom, if it is a long race, we do not, because
42:59
at speed, of race of competition, but it goes at pace a little
43:05
faster. Or there are other jobs that are backgrounds but are combined, so
43:10
they have a soft part, which is a warming. Then it can be
43:15
a tempo ten kilometers at race rate, then two kilometers of recovery, then
43:22
again return with a couple kilometers at race rate. And that ends up adding
43:27
up, because the volume of kilometers of a single bottom that is combined,
43:32
passing through all the training areas. Ok That' s the method that bind
43:37
eighty twenty nosenta, twenty six hundred smooth and twenty of correct high intensity and
43:45
much more volume than in your previous training. Yeah, I used to get
43:49
to volumes of 80 kilometers a week. I believe that eighty- five maximum
43:57
and right now, those are the minimums that are the days the mild weeks
44:04
and now has reached volumes of one hundred and fifteen. I think up to
44:07
120 marathon training. Well, you made it there. If you noticed the
44:12
difference between Chicago and Valencia, how much you did in Valencia. Valencia made
44:17
two forty- three, two forty, never touched fifty. Obviously, such
44:27
is Valencia, because not others always go to read some great leap. Right
44:34
now, you were asking how if that was already possible, if the race
44:37
plan for Valencia was two forty- five, forty- six, then if
44:42
I saw it possible, of course the training, because it supported the number
44:47
that we had signed for that day. I ran with a friend, with
44:52
Juan Diego Peña, who we did much of the race together, as far
44:55
as kilometer thirty- five and it was me going and Valencia is a cart
45:07
is very flat. In fact, in Valencia there are records of five,
45:09
a thousand, ten, a thousand and a half Mara Mello morato, right
45:13
now. I know they' re offering a huge bonus for the euro celittes
45:16
to make the world record. And it is a circuit that lends itself to
45:21
do that, because of the climate, the altimetry, the public, the
45:27
type of route can run very well and it is a race, because to
45:32
all the people who want to do it or who are looking, I recommend
45:37
it. Maybe the only disadvantage. The only thing, but for the next
45:42
year they won' t be able to run Boston, because it' s
45:45
a race that runs in December. If they' re looking, then as
45:50
the main goal to run Boston, they' d have to wait another year,
45:52
one more year than it was, because it was my case. But
45:54
that is just a matter of expectation only that it exists in that year.
45:59
Then, after Valencia, after that year I run Lima last May of last
46:08
year Limo Marathon Half Marathon. Two thousand twenty- three. Two thousand twenty
46:16
- three are I half a Marathon and how it went super well. Lima
46:21
made my best current half marathon record one fourteen. That was like the first
46:29
race of the first semester and in the second half of the year I run
46:37
Indianapolis on October 30 and there I do, therefore, my best current marathon
46:43
record. There she is in Indianapolis. In Indianapolis, what' s two
46:47
hundred thirty- nine to mother is that under two forty, that' s
46:57
strap three is forty- one. I don' t think it was coming
47:00
here, in Bogotá or Colombia you didn' t run anything. Yeah,
47:05
last year I ran the half marathon of Bogotá last year. Yeah, actually,
47:08
because of the lime time I made. So I had the fortune of
47:15
going through a very cool experience, and I was part of the elite group
47:20
at the half marathon last year in Bogota. Then, because I lived with
47:24
them, because the technical talk, arriving as in the area of the elites,
47:29
being in the sought City Lema that was the one that won Ahorita in
47:34
Boston, the elites, because Colombians, then it is a very bacan experience.
47:38
Oh, that' s so cool. Yeah, no, it'
47:42
s not that if the felite times and what maybe that race is, let
47:45
' s not talk about time, but how you felt about that race in
47:50
the middle of Bogota, because it was like an intermediate race. We weren
47:53
' t looking for a specific time, but, as it went well,
48:01
the experience went well. As Ahorita told them, it was incredible to share
48:07
with all these people, to be in the environment, to have the surname
48:13
instead of the number a heroes that chinga. I think it' s worth
48:19
it already and one of those short numbers, not eleven, two, not
48:22
forty- one, minutes, forty- four to one three hundred and four.
48:30
Then more than the race, it was the experience, experience of living
48:35
it, yes, of being with them, because in the hotel, on
48:38
the bus to warm up there with them, to change one where they change,
48:45
since all the cell and of course that chi that they ask me,
48:47
because marked terno, for I, obviously it is not of hydration, but
48:52
that is what they like to prepare or to list normally with what you hurt
48:55
her with the water left, yes, with what barrier that mark me mark
49:08
that the aguangels after Indianapolis, that follows for you, because in Indianapolis it
49:16
ends like the year last sports. And because we have already reached two thousand
49:21
twenty- four, already two thousand twenty- four arrives in Boston, because
49:24
he cannot run it, for what Valencia told them, that he cannot run
49:28
it before. But, then, I empathize as with the preparation for Boston,
49:37
because it was only in November and December of that year, and you
49:43
relatively toned starting the year. So, then, I closed the year as
49:46
if running a little bit by keeping me in shape and starting the preparation for
49:52
Boston, which was last week. You didn' t do any of the
49:54
other races, just like San Silvestre, Chis, no prey for you we
50:02
ran with Maria. I know we ran Huasca in November for Newallance. But
50:07
then race like to measure times or with some goal. I at the end
50:13
of the year, no longer like the sports calendar was closed for the year
50:19
focused on and now tell us. How was that experience in Boston. Boston,
50:24
it' s like every racer' s dream. You' ve come
50:30
to us. We arrived on Friday, Friday afternoon the race, because it
50:35
was Monday. We had like enough time to get to how to give ourselves,
50:40
run a couple of days and prepare the race. How you felt,
50:45
whether it' s the atmosphere since you arrived says it' s crazy,
50:52
since you arrive, because there you warn about the marathon at the airport.
50:55
Then it starts like living and breathing into that environment. My training told me
51:01
this is the closest thing to the Olympics. For you, then enjoy it.
51:06
And so it is the World Cup of amateur runners. They run the
51:13
top 30 zero runners in the world. I believe that in the last twelve
51:15
months, then yes, it is an incredible experience for the environment, for
51:22
how the city is completely transformed towards the race, by the public, by
51:29
the fair and also because for us, the runners, we look forward to
51:36
that day. So, as I was saying, almost ten years running.
51:40
I know that many years, because I didn' t dream or be among
51:46
my plans Boston, but already since that Friday I say and this is round
51:51
the corner an incredible couple of days to be here, to be able to
51:58
fulfill this dream and be there, because living it you reach a goal,
52:05
to that race to death, because we had a goal in the beginning of
52:09
two thirty- eight, two thirty- nine, very similar to Indianapolis Boston.
52:13
It is a race that, by its route, can be difficult to
52:19
look for a brand, but also if you have that day, you can
52:22
achieve a very good brand, because you have falls. It didn' t
52:28
go out, so let' s say that the time you wanted the tour,
52:35
because it' s difficult. It' s hard, this challenger goes
52:36
up and down all the time. And also a factor, because of the
52:42
weather that was strong the heat that day and I think it could influence the
52:46
result. But for me Boston has not been my best brand and my best
52:52
marathon time. I think it' s been my best run to fulfill the
52:58
dream, to run it, to cough yes, but because she also ran
53:06
surprior, that is, Boston. Yeah. That, then, we talked
53:10
and I don' t think it was a coincidence, but a fortune of
53:15
a privilege that we classified and ran together, because the first Boston of each
53:22
one or who all the training doesn' t see it but it' s
53:28
here, it' s, we don' t have any further on,
53:30
there in the parreon and ask him the questions. There you go, but
53:35
you get to the finish line. There incredible experience and the whole tour.
53:39
It is incredible in the days before to be at the finish line before,
53:44
because one can go to see it, the fair, the atmosphere that you
53:47
see running through the streets, the whole route, because as far as the
53:54
race begins, the villa where one is before leaving, already from the race
53:59
of the atmosphere that there is, as says one day, because from so
54:01
much sun everyone in the streets went out to cheer. Then the memory I
54:07
have of the race is true that for me it is the best and most
54:10
special of a marathon. See so many people cheering on running with so many
54:17
people on the sides of living it. I think that' s for me
54:22
the most valuable and the most special. You cried yes and yes at the
54:27
finish line. I cried a lot at all, because I think I was
54:31
crying in Valencia. I cried a lot Indianapolis too and Boston, because obviously
54:38
I knew he was going to do because it was a very big emotion and
54:45
fulfill a dream. What do you think of those words you said right now,
54:51
like they were marked on me and it' s how are the best
54:55
runners in the world of the last twelve months gathered there those words I stayed.
55:00
I have a question and it' s your target was Boston, Birthday
55:07
Boston, now what gold do you prefer not to think about that. Let
55:14
' s just say Boston never saw it as my only goal, my ultimate
55:22
goal, because if I thought I could happen to that thing that you were
55:27
saying to me as good, I already fulfilled it. Now what and when
55:30
I run valence that I do, for a very good time. And then,
55:34
over time I knew that I was going to classify Boston, so I
55:40
' ve always been motivated to draw attention to how far I' m going
55:46
to go or how far my body will go, because my performance in recent
55:52
years has been growing or rising. So I think that' s like the
55:59
motivation I have constantly. It' s not Boston or necessarily a time,
56:05
but knowing how it' s going to be. The limit of my body
56:08
that I do not know, if the sciences, if some tools, if
56:15
any application told me is that you, until this year or until this time
56:21
you will run, because I think that there would be lost all the thanks
56:24
of the motivation that I have and see how one is going, because improving
56:31
as a training that previously cost me, today I make it softer how to
56:39
run today a marathon in time that I do not know. Two years ago
56:40
it was my time of repetition of intervals, because that is like the satisfaction
56:45
of the day to day because if you focus or lock yourself in a single
56:52
race or in a single goal, it happens what you say Daniel, day
56:54
that you meet or finish that goal. If the motivation ends, there may
57:00
be a lack of motivation or some kind of pressure, because career that is
57:07
a well- known term, and reconnecting or rebooting and recovering that motivation can
57:14
be complicated. Maybe his dreams with the six. Yeah, I think it
57:20
' s a dream that all runners, because now we have who knows if
57:27
it' s seven. Yeah. It seems to me that this is an
57:30
issue that is becoming more and more difficult for different reasons, because the level
57:36
of the runners is growing enormously in recent years. We saw it with the
57:39
cut in Boston last year five, ten minutes. Then, because people run
57:45
more and more, they run better. Now there' s three, you
57:52
can class until they say what the cuts are. And there' s a
57:57
marketing issue, too. You comment very big behind the mayers and the charit
58:02
agencies, and that shun a lot, because the quotas both direct by times
58:08
or by drawing lots the case of New York, which before entered with two
58:16
hours fifty for men to enter directly for my age range, right now,
58:22
New York asked for two hours thirty- five. Yes, it is a
58:25
time, because it is very complicated to do and that there is a very
58:30
big difference between two fifty- two three. Of course the people who have
58:34
money, because with buying agencies and manager quota and the amate, they have
58:37
less left, what is the next competition coming Barati, What are you thinking
58:44
about right now, you think they think when we arrive comes with the Horitas.
58:50
I think about eating a lot of things, getting some rest. I,
58:59
then, take it as very disciplined, the subject of training me focused
59:07
on me very much. I don' t see it as a sacrifice,
59:10
but as my priorities, and I prioritize my life in those four months.
59:15
So, right now, I want to get some rest, give the body
59:21
some rest, come back like running with no effort, enjoy that return,
59:27
run, eat a lot of things that suddenly I don' t like to
59:30
eat. When I' m training and see what' s good I provide
59:38
the only thing I' d prefer to ask you just like to close is
59:42
you' d run Bosto again. Yeah, yeah, but 20 times or
59:46
like several months. I don' t know twenty, but I think it
59:52
' s a career that, as long as you can go, you should
59:58
go do it for the environment, for the experience, for what we talked
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about. Right now the people who are there are like the highest level and
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it' s a privilege. It' s an honor to be able to
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run that race. You don' t know where you' re gonna be
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in a year or what can happen in three years. So, if the
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track, body, and training gives you a chance to run Boston, take
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advantage of it and do it, because I don' t think what exactly
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good advice can happen or I value the things you want to give to people
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who are starting out on this good one. I believe that my Council would
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be not to be carried away by the fan of human beings. Today we
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live clinging to immediacy, and not only in sport, but in personal life,
1:00:47
in professional life. We want everything there, work, salary, growth,
1:00:54
certain time, but enjoy the process. I know it sounds, like
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cliché or very repeated this phrase, but live every step of that process.
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I believe that the same process sometimes brings more satisfactions or great satisfactions than the
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end result of a race or of a time to see how the body of
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training is transformed. So yes, live all that experience of training people that
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one can know through this sport, the coaches, the races and that,
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finally, if one does everything right, if one does all that process.
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Success will come on the day of the race. Then you' re not
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going to worry about time, about race day, but about day to day
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being consistent, about doing what' s immediately next and everything' s going
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to be okay. Okay, okay. Again we thank you for being here
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telling us your life, your story, your runners It is possible to improve
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this to this extent if you are disciplined. So, well, we thank
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you for this time you' ve given us to the people who are listening
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to us. Not like I told you, thank you very much. For
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me. It has therefore been an honour and a great joy to have shared
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with you this time. She was very funny and very fond of this talk
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and I hope we' ll see you running around later. Yeah, I
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mean, we' re gonna see each other. I don' t know
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if the same rhythm, but let' s see these roles. Thank you
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