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FSU Won A Football Game Again! · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: All right, five past the hour, third hour of the
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  Speaker 1: morning Show with Rustin Scott Busy Monday morning here on
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  Speaker 1: the radio program. As we are now into the month
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  Speaker 1: of November, and thank goodness we are here, and we
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  Speaker 1: are joined by the managing editor at war chant dot com.
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  Speaker 1: He is Iras Chaffell.
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  Speaker 2: Ira.
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  Speaker 1: Boy, October, what a horrible month of football it was,
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  Speaker 1: but we have something to celebrate.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're calling it a new November, and price price
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  Speaker 2: smart too. I'll latch onto the month of November because, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: as you said, the month of October, some new Flordnesday
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  Speaker 2: football team probably wants to forget about. We'll see if
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  Speaker 2: it's totally in our rearview mirror, probably in these next
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, but for at least one Saturday, we
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  Speaker 2: can block that out of our minds.
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  Speaker 1: Let's before we get into maybe a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: of the microview macroview, what did you see Saturday night?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think the you know, the the big
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  Speaker 2: question last week since the Stanford game, because there were
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  Speaker 2: some reports that the players had checked out on Mike Norvel,
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  Speaker 2: that they were tuning him out. You know, that became
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  Speaker 2: the big focus. I think for a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: is okay, we'll see that you're at home against Wake Forest,
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  Speaker 2: and you know, one of the things I told some
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  Speaker 2: people during the week was, you know, it's one thing
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  Speaker 2: to look bad in the middle of the night across
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  Speaker 2: the country, but if you come back in your home
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  Speaker 2: stadium on homecoming and look like you don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be there, that's going to answer all the questions we
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  Speaker 2: have about Mike Norvel. Well, the team answered them in
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  Speaker 2: the affirmative that they still are together. For at least
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  Speaker 2: a day, they still played hard. Mike Norvell and the
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  Speaker 2: coaches say they had two great weeks of practice, So again,
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  Speaker 2: that all flies in the face of the idea that
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  Speaker 2: the team had checked out on him. That doesn't change
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  Speaker 2: the fact that they did lose four games. It doesn't
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  Speaker 2: change the fact that they may not be good enough
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  Speaker 2: to beat an average Clemson team on the road this Saturday,
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  Speaker 2: or beat a Florida team without its head coach, or
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  Speaker 2: a Virginia Tech with team without a coach. So to me,
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  Speaker 2: it just kind of put a pause on everything. The
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  Speaker 2: big concern everybody had apparently is not true. The players
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  Speaker 2: came out and spoke highly of Mike Norvel after the game,
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  Speaker 2: they kind of rallied around him, and well, now we'll
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  Speaker 2: see if that lasts. But you know, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: it changed anything in terms of what the season has been.
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  Speaker 2: Other than that concern, I think it has been a lead.
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  Speaker 1: Is there anything that any of the individual players said
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  Speaker 1: that you quoted in in some of your articles, Ira
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  Speaker 1: in the wake of the game against Wake? Sorry, is
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  Speaker 1: there anything that stands out, anything that surprised you?
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  Speaker 2: The biggest one to me and I you know, and
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  Speaker 2: a lot of it. You know, he loves us, we
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  Speaker 2: love him, that kind of stuff. It's you know, it's
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  Speaker 2: with every coach. Every player should think about their coach
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  Speaker 2: if they like them and respect them, and a lot
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  Speaker 2: of times they do. Even when coaches get fired. Even
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  Speaker 2: when coaches should get fired, the players don't usually get
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  Speaker 2: to vote. I thought one that kind of stuck out
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  Speaker 2: to me was, you know, Tommy Caslano's talking about how
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  Speaker 2: consistent Mike Norvel has and then I think are a
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  Speaker 2: Little said the same thing as either are a Little
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  Speaker 2: or Jabill Rawls. One of them said, listen, when we
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  Speaker 2: were down, he was the guy that was kind of
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  Speaker 2: trying to lift us up. He never gave up on us.
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  Speaker 2: And that is one thing to think about because what
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  Speaker 2: happens in these relationships with coaches and players. And I
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  Speaker 2: think you saw it on the sideline Saturday at Clemson
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  Speaker 2: where Dabo is screaming at his sideline, screaming at his players,
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  Speaker 2: kind of embarrassing them, you know, listen. Well, it'll be
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  Speaker 2: interesting to see how those players respond to that, because
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  Speaker 2: what happened. Sometimes these coaches are making all this money,
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  Speaker 2: sometimes they can turn it on the players and they
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  Speaker 2: can roll the players, and the players see that, and
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  Speaker 2: that's how you lose a team. The fact that they're
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  Speaker 2: saying that even when they were down, Mike Norvel was
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  Speaker 2: lifting them up. He believed in them. That could be
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  Speaker 2: a powerful thing. Now we'll see the results are you know,
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  Speaker 2: are to be determined. That I think that's where, you know,
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  Speaker 2: for the people that felt like Florida State should have
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  Speaker 2: fired Mike after Stanford, and I think there's some people
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  Speaker 2: in the administration and some people some other people who
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  Speaker 2: felt like, let's let's see how this plays out. You know,
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  Speaker 2: we're still going to see how it plays out. That
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  Speaker 2: game didn't change anything long term, but I do think
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  Speaker 2: those comments and that approach might be worth watching.
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  Speaker 1: Joining me Irischaffel from warchan dot com. He's the managing editor,
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  Speaker 1: talking FSU football finally winning again after a very that
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  Speaker 1: bad streak of four straight losses. You talked about the
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  Speaker 1: Dabo Sweeney thing and that you beat me to the punch, Ira,
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  Speaker 1: because man, you know, things have changed. Back when you
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  Speaker 1: and I were younger and maybe playing sports, coaches could
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  Speaker 1: get on players rather routinely and that was part of
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  Speaker 1: being coached. Then it just gradually changed where you don't
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  Speaker 1: embarrass them on the sidelines if you want to keep
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  Speaker 1: them around, especially now in the portal. What is your
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  Speaker 1: hunch about I mean, we're talking about two very different
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  Speaker 1: approaches that Dabo Sweeney and Mike Norvell have taken with
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  Speaker 1: their teams. What what do you think we're going to
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  Speaker 1: see on Saturday?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question, and I think we you know,
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  Speaker 2: the answer is not to be determined. This is such
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  Speaker 2: a whole new world, you know. And I had some
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  Speaker 2: conversations with some people last week because you talked about
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  Speaker 2: other coaching candidates that are out there and in different
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  Speaker 2: styles and and and so you ask yourself, Okay, could
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  Speaker 2: that guy work in this environment? Could that you know,
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  Speaker 2: could could the way you coached. You know, Brian Kelly
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  Speaker 2: just flames out at LSU and he's a guy that
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  Speaker 2: had unbelievable success in Notre Dame, and we thought, if
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  Speaker 2: you give him LSU's talent, I mean, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: be unbelievable, and then instead it goes very average and
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  Speaker 2: he ends up getting fired in the year four. So
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  Speaker 2: I just think there are no sure things, and so
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  Speaker 2: when you look at you know, how how to predict
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  Speaker 2: what Florida Sat Clemson looked this week? I think if
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  Speaker 2: Florida State gets off to a decent start, I feel
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  Speaker 2: confident they'll play well. I feel confident they'll play hard,
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  Speaker 2: and I think Clemson's defense, for whatever is wrong with them,
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  Speaker 2: and it's apparently a lot wrong with them, I think
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  Speaker 2: Florida State will score some points. What I don't know
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  Speaker 2: about Florida State, and we have to see is when
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  Speaker 2: things start going, if things go poorly on the road,
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  Speaker 2: how are they going to play and how do they respond?
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. You know, you go back to
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  Speaker 2: the Alabama game, and my only concern about that game
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  Speaker 2: was everything they needed to go well went well. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's easy to play well when you're ahead and
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  Speaker 2: you're controlling the game. That Wake Forest game was very
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  Speaker 2: much the same. When Wake Forest had a couple of
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  Speaker 2: chances to put FSU under pressure, they get a holding call,
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  Speaker 2: they drop a pass, they miss an open receiver. So
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  Speaker 2: nothing really went wrong in that game, and we see
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  Speaker 2: that this is how this team can play if things
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  Speaker 2: don't go wrong. What I don't know is if you
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  Speaker 2: go to Clemson and things go poorly, you fumble early
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  Speaker 2: like you did in some of those losses, or you
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  Speaker 2: just have a costly mistake, how do you respond to that.
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  Speaker 2: That's to me going to be telling, because that's where
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  Speaker 2: this team has really struggled so far.
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  Speaker 1: When I watched the game on Saturday night, IRA, what
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  Speaker 1: occurred to me was early on, I had to remember
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  Speaker 1: this team had seemed to have a little bit of
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  Speaker 1: rust from not having played, But as the game went on,
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  Speaker 1: they just played a little better and a little better
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  Speaker 1: and a little better. Now, granted, Wake Force, with the
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  Speaker 1: exception of their running backs, they're pretty bad offensively, their
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks not very good. But that said, this was a
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  Speaker 1: fairly disciplined, you know game for Florida State on both
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  Speaker 1: sides of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and again it would would it would
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  Speaker 2: have been interesting to see how they handled it if
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  Speaker 2: Wake did make some of the plays that were there,
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  Speaker 2: especially early in the game, because you know, it's it's
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  Speaker 2: seven to nothing late in the second quarter, midway to
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  Speaker 2: the second quarter, late in the second quarter. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: to your point, when FSU did get stopped on fourth down,
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  Speaker 2: the defense came out and played well. Win FSU did
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  Speaker 2: you know, make mistakes, they didn't compound and so those
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  Speaker 2: are all positive things. And as you said, they were
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  Speaker 2: more disciplined. You didn't see guys running wide open. Even
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  Speaker 2: when wake Forest quarterback got out and he's athletic, the
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  Speaker 2: one thing he can really do is run yep, when
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  Speaker 2: he got out on the perimeter, Forest it pretty quickly
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  Speaker 2: and kept them to maybe a twelve yard game as
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  Speaker 2: opposed to a thirty yard game. You think back to
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  Speaker 2: the pit game or you know, I'd rather not we're
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  Speaker 2: well in those games when the quarterback would get loose,
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  Speaker 2: maybe you'd run for thirty yards. You didn't see that,
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  Speaker 2: Like they rallied to the ball they hit. So those
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  Speaker 2: are all, you know, definitely positive things. You know, I
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  Speaker 2: don't like to leave a game where you played well
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  Speaker 2: and point out that what you did wrong in previous games.
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  Speaker 2: But but you know, that's the reality. We're looking at
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  Speaker 2: a small window right now where they played the way
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  Speaker 2: they were supposed to play.
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  Speaker 1: With the marching Chiefs in the background, we are back
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  Speaker 1: with Irishchafellewarchant dot Com taking some time on Mondays to
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  Speaker 1: talk a little Florida State football. Iras, I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: the schedule that October. Uh, well, I mean late September,
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  Speaker 1: you got Virginia Miami Pitt Stanford Miami. Yeah, we kind
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  Speaker 1: of got boat race there, but Virginian Pitt. Is it
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  Speaker 1: hard looking back and say at this point those were
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  Speaker 1: bad losses. Florida State shouldn't have lost those games because
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  Speaker 1: it looks to me like we were in those games.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Virginia is definitely not a bad loss. You know,
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  Speaker 2: you're on the road on a Friday night, on a
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  Speaker 2: short week, playing a team that now is number twelve
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  Speaker 2: in the country, had a six year starting quarterback. You
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  Speaker 2: were playing your first road game. I mean, I think
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  Speaker 2: you're going to double overtime, and it's a game where
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  Speaker 2: even in double overtime, you know, or during that game,
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  Speaker 2: you have a chance to win the game, where you know,
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  Speaker 2: a touchdowns overturned, and so to me, that game is
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  Speaker 2: not a game you look back and it's a missed opportunity,
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  Speaker 2: But to me, it's not a bad loss. Losing a
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  Speaker 2: Pit to Losing to Pit at home is never good.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, even though they're seven and two right now,
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  Speaker 2: that's a game that you know you're gonna it's you
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  Speaker 2: knows a Florida State fan and what you believe the
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  Speaker 2: sport is and where Florida State should be. You don't
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  Speaker 2: feel like you should ever lose at home to Pit.
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  Speaker 2: So that's a tough one to swallow. Even though they're
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  Speaker 2: seven and two, they've got a really good quarterback, they're
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  Speaker 2: a good football team. But you know, so those twos aren't.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I think to the point you're probably going
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  Speaker 2: to try to make is the Stanford game is completely different, right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, Stanford is the one that you have to
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  Speaker 1: just scratch your head at. And that's really the one
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  Speaker 1: that that is the one that might nag the decision
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  Speaker 1: makers out there or even those that want to just
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  Speaker 1: evaluate Mike Norvell because that's the one game that, under
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  Speaker 1: no circumstances should this Florida State team lose to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially when it happened, you know, and again,
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  Speaker 2: it would be one thing if you were seven and
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  Speaker 2: to zero and went out to Stanford, who is bad
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  Speaker 2: and they are they're not a good football team. The
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  Speaker 2: week before you played them, they give up thirty four points,
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  Speaker 2: the week after that they give up forty two points.
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  Speaker 2: Then this past week they give up another ton of points.
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  Speaker 2: So they're a bad defense, and they were there to
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  Speaker 2: get beaten and Florida stays offense just picked that day
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  Speaker 2: to play. It's probably the worst game of the season.
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  Speaker 2: They scored thirteen points, a ton of penalties, ton of
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  Speaker 2: just mistakes and turnovers, just played terribly. And so that's
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  Speaker 2: a game that you know, if you're having a good
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  Speaker 2: season and you sleep walk through that game but then
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  Speaker 2: pull it out at the end, nobody remembers it. A
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  Speaker 2: lot of teams have those kinds of games. But when
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  Speaker 2: you've already lost two games or three games in a
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  Speaker 2: row and you know that you've got to rally around
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  Speaker 2: this coach and this team, and then you go out
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  Speaker 2: there and play like that, it was just really just
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  Speaker 2: not just disappointing, but kind of an indictment on this team. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you did come back, you know, after the bye week,
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  Speaker 2: and you look good again. And if you turn it
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  Speaker 2: around these next few weeks, maybe you can look at
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  Speaker 2: that whole month in a different lens. But as of
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  Speaker 2: right now, yeah, the Stanford game, to me is the
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  Speaker 2: game that's the most inexcusable.
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  Speaker 1: Regardless of who the head coach will be next season,
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  Speaker 1: whether it's coach and Orvel coming back or whether they
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  Speaker 1: go in another direction, what is needed for Florida State
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  Speaker 1: to be in the world of the Ohio states of
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  Speaker 1: the world, And I use Ohio State because they do
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  Speaker 1: not have the biggest nil budget. It's a good one.
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  Speaker 1: It's healthy, they're part of the Big ten, get a
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  Speaker 1: lot of money. But they pick and choose their their
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  Speaker 1: portal recruits very very specifically and carefully. But what they
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  Speaker 1: seem to do better than maybe anybody else is they
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  Speaker 1: get them out of high school and they develop them.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the secret sauce? And what has to happen
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  Speaker 1: for Florida State to get to that territory.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think that's where everybody wants to be. The
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  Speaker 2: challenge is if you weren't already there when the portal happened,
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  Speaker 2: it's hard to navigate this and this is the you
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  Speaker 2: know where Florida State though the land mines they've been
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  Speaker 2: walking through for the last four or five years is
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  Speaker 2: you know, Florida State wasn't in the position when Mike
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  Speaker 2: Norvel got hired to just say, you know what, we're
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  Speaker 2: going to take some time and recruit through high schools.
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  Speaker 2: Like he inherited a bad programs. They went heavy in
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  Speaker 2: the portal and was rewarded for that. You went thirteen
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  Speaker 2: to know, you won nineteen straight games, and so from
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  Speaker 2: that standpoint, that felt like the right way to go.
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  Speaker 2: But then you get married to it, and then you
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  Speaker 2: can't get out of it. It's just hard to make
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  Speaker 2: that transition now. I think whatever would whoever you know
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  Speaker 2: and listen, it's even tard for Georgia and some of
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  Speaker 2: these other teams. They've had a hard time holding on
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  Speaker 2: to the high school for recrus. Mario Christobalt Miami has
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  Speaker 2: gotten a ton of credit for how he's recruited high schools.
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  Speaker 2: They've lost a lot of these guys because what happens
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  Speaker 2: is you sign them, but then if they're not playing early,
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  Speaker 2: or if you bring in portal guys to play, they're
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  Speaker 2: going to leave and go to other schools. So it's
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  Speaker 2: a really tricky thing. I do think from a big
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  Speaker 2: picture standpoint, Florida State really needs to look at what
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  Speaker 2: they need to do to get back to being great,
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  Speaker 2: and I don't know if the portal's the answer to that.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe there is a way to step back and say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, these next two years are not going
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  Speaker 2: to be what we want to do. We're going to
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  Speaker 2: play these young guys. We're not going to sign them
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  Speaker 2: and let them transfer out. We're going to give it
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  Speaker 2: some time and try to build for a run in
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years. Otherwise you may just be kind
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  Speaker 2: of stuck in this limbo. But it's easier to say
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  Speaker 2: that than it is to do it, because then you
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  Speaker 2: have to actually take the losses to come with playing
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  Speaker 2: those young guys.
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  Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you, do fans have
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  Speaker 1: the patients for that? Do administrators have the patients for that?
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  Speaker 2: That's the tough part, man. A lot of people say
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  Speaker 2: they do until you get into it, and then you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to actually watch the losses. So yeah, it's
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  Speaker 2: it would take a commitment, it would take a you know,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of forethought. But again, it's easy to say
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  Speaker 2: that it's a lot harder when you go to the
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  Speaker 2: city month Saturday. Yeah, and watch your team lose lose
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  Speaker 2: to a bunch of older transfers from another team.
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  Speaker 1: Iras always appreciate the insight. Thanks very much reading what
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  Speaker 1: you do at war chant dot com. Thanks as always,
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  Speaker 1: thanks pressing taking Ira Chaffel, Managing Editor war chant dot com.
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  Speaker 1: When we come back, Ericadonald's will join us with America
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