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Inside The OIG Interview: The Testimony Of An Unnamed R&D Officer From MCC (Part 6) (5/11/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to dive right
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  back in to the interview given by the R and
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  D officer from MCC to the OIG investigators. Question, now
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  you were control August tenth right. Answer uh huh. Question
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  as a CEO in control, when would you be notified
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  that an inmate's being removed? Answer? When would I be
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  notified that an inmate's being removed? Question? Yeah, if you're
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  working in control? Answer, well, that would be She gets
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  cut off. Well, she just said, R and D doesn't
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  call them to tell them. Answer no, we give them.
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  We send them paperwork. So you have control two number
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  person in the control center that verifies our key out
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  moves against our paperwork that we send them. So this
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  is what the control center would use as well to
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  track the moves and make sure that these individual rules
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  are keyed out. So now, as a control center officer,
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  you might call as the number two I mean I
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  said the number one, because the number two person does it.
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  The number two person, which is an accounts an assignment person.
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  They would this is primarily on day watch an evening
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  watch because there is no movement on morning watch, not
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  unless it's an emergency, but you're not moving nobody on
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  morning watch. So on day watch an evening watch, if
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  you see that inmates were moved around, or a counselor
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  calls you and control and says, hey, I'm moving inmates
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  so and so from this unit to this unit, Then,
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  as a control center officer, what I would do. I'm
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  not going to say what everybody else would do. I
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  would call over the radio, Hey, unit officers, if you
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  lost an inmate or you gained an inmate, call control
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  and verify your base count, and I would say. They
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  would say, oh, inmates so and so left and I
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  have eighty seven, or they might give me a wrong count.
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  I'm like, no, that's bad. You need to check your
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  base count, verify who left the unit. And that's what
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  I would do. Most of the time. The control center
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  officer would look at this and see who's moved and
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  verify it with E one and make sure everything's accurate. Question. So,
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  once they're notified, what would the control officer update that
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  you wanted question? We have what we call the running board.
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  So with a running board, you have the starting base
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  of one unit and then the ending base of the unit.
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  So if an inmate went out to the hospital, might
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  have been eighty six. He went to the hospital, eighty
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  seven he came I mean eighty five he came back.
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  Now his base is back to eighty six. Question this
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  is the one document? Is this what you're talking about? Answer? No,
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  that to me one, I'm talking about a running board.
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  It's just a dummy document we create just to track
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  all the moves to like a paper to just verify
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  the counts. Basically checks and balance. So like if I
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  see that this inmate was moved from five, he was
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  pre removed, and that unit count was eighty five, I
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  would just write inmate pre removed, and I would have
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  a paper log of what unit count should be. Because
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  even my paper log might be accurate, but my computer
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  log might be wrong because this person might not have
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  keyed the inmate out. Question, so let's talk about that.
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  Has there been a situation where inmates get moved around
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  and not get keyed out? Answer, Yeah, that's happened. Question
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  how does that happen? Isn't there a balance in checks
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  to make sure that nothing like that happens. Answer, They're
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  supposed to be balance in checks. Yeah, but sometimes people
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  move inmates and they fail to report to maybe the officer,
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  or they fail to notify the control on move an
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  inmate from this unit to this unit, or something might
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  happen on a unit. An inmate might get locked up,
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  and you're in control center and you know you're doing whatever.
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  You hear an emergency on a unit. You don't know
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  what's going on. You don't know if the inmate is
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  going out to the hospital until somebody actually physically calls
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  and they say, hey, I've got an inmate that indiscernible.
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  If you're not looking at the camera, you see them
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  moving this inmate from this unit and walking them into shoe,
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  and you'll call the unit, Hey, you got one locked
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  who got locked up? You might call the unit officer
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  and ask those questions. So it has happened. Question whose
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  responsibility would it be if they're moving an inmate to
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  key it in? Answer to key it in, depending on
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  what type of move it is. If it's a unit
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  to unit move, that would be the unit management team.
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  If it's an inmate getting locked up from the unit
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  and going to shoe, the control center officer might move
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  that unit, move that inmate from that unit to shoe
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  or shoe might key the inmate into shoe. So it
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  just depends who does it question. So it can be
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  one of those things that a situation. Let's say an
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  inmate gets moved, the shoe officer can be like, ah, no,
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  control will do it, and control lieutenant will be like, no,
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  the shoe will do it. Is it one person that's
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  actually responsible to make sure that it gets keyed? In answer? Well,
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  a lot of time things happen, like I said, around here.
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  You might have a lieutenant go to a unit and
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  then walk an inmate out and the inmate gets locked up.
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  Or you might have an inmate that's suicidal and he
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  gets placed on suicide watch, so now he's not in
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  the unit, he's in suicide watch. Or you might have
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  an inmate that was taken off of suicide watch, might
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  be put in a housing unit or shoe. You don't
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  know unless somebody notifies you because you're in the control,
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  you're answering phones, you're looking at a keypad, you might
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  be looking up and down, but you're not constantly on
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  the camera, so you won't know unless somebody actually notifies
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  you and says, hey, we're moving inmate. So and so so.
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  A lot of the time you just have if you
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  got an inmate that you received a new inmate, call Control,
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  verify your base because you won't always know everything. Question,
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  So you're saying it would have been on the shoe
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  officer to make sure that, hey, listen, this inmate's being moved.
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  Did she even notify Control? Hey listen. Answer. If the
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  officer of a unit knows that the inmate got locked up,
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  he's supposed to be calling Control saying I've got an
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  inmate that's locked up. He went to shoe Shoe now
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  needs to be calling Control, Hey, I got one so
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  and so on my base count. Everybody's supposed to be calling.
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  Everybody should be calling, not just she gets cut off
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  by the investigator. But did you just say though that, like,
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  for instance, shoe Shoe can call Control and say, hey,
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  I just want to verify my base. What do you got? Answer? No,
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  they wouldn't say I want to verify my base. What
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  do you got? You would say I want to verify
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  my base. I have eighty seven, and then Control would
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  say no, that's good, No, that's bad. So, now, as
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  the officer, what I would do I would go around
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  counting inmates in my unit, and I would look at
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  my roster and see who went out to court. But
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  that's what I would do. Question sure, answer, I can't
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  say what everybody else would do. Question yeah, no, And
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  trust me, we've talked to a lot of people, and
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  everybody does things different, and that's why we're trying to
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  figure out. Should they he gets cut off by the guard?
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  What I need to know on my unit. I'm just
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  nosy like that. So I want to know what's going on,
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  who's in my unit, who is coming out of my unit?
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  You know? So I'm verifying my stuff on my own. Question. Okay, No,
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  that's a good way to do it. So are you
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  aware though, anybody calling, for instance control and getting control
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  somehow however crafty that they use their wording to actually
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  give them the base count? Answer I've never heard. Question No, answer,
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  not that I know of, Not that I know of.
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  I'm not going to say it hasn't happened, but I
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  don't know. Question. I'm going to show you some documents
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  before that. Any document that I show you, I'm going
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  to ask you to initial and date at the top.
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  You're not attesting to it. It's just to show you
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  that the document that we went through. Answer, I want
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  to work with you guys. Question Well, it sounds like
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  you got the qualifications with those degrees and with the knowledge,
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  we do a ton of bop stuff. Question, So, are
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  you familiar with the E ones control documents? The first
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  one that I'm going to show you is this would
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  be for August ninth at five am. This is the
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  E one document controlling the control document. The shoe shows
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  seventy seven inmates. Now I'm going to show you the
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  deli log. Are you aware of the lieutenant's log? Answer yeah,
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  question inmates movements? Answer yeah. Question Okay, Now this is
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  the day watch. This document the day Watch lieutenant log
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  for August ninth. We can start off, well, look at
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  these inmate movements. It shows that you need to start
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  at seventy seven to match up with that at five am. Question.
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  So it says seventy seven at the five am it
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  matches up at seventy seven when they did the count
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  at eight answer, uh huh. Question and it's still seventy
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  seven with five in indiscernible answer, uh huh. Question. Now
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  this shows at eight thirty eight we can see Rayes
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  was removed. Answer uh huh. Question right pre removed answer, yeah, question,
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  the count comes down to seventy six. Now, the next
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  movement out of the shoe that we see is at
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  three fifteen pm, and it says inmate Fernandez. Answer, uh huh,
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  Wait a minute, he's placed in his own dry cell.
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  Placed in a dry cell from shoe. Question. Yeah, so
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  let's look at so where do you indiscernible understand where
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  is the dry cell? Answer? I thought it was shoe. Question. Okay,
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  So let's look at the statement up here on top
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  of it. It says, inmate Fernandez on dry cell with
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  staff watch and R and D. Does that clarify it
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  for you? Answer? Okay. Question. So at this point, in
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  made Fernandez is removed and the count comes down to
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  seventy five. Okay. Now we're looking at the five pm
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  count for August ninth, four pm, sorry, four pm count
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  for August ninth. Reyes is removed, right, Reyes is removed.
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  Epstein sitting in an attorney conference. Answer, yeah, that's right here.
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  Question right here, and intimate Fernandez is removed. Answer uh huh. Question,
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  but it still shows seventy five. It should have been
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  seventy four. Answer. This is they got seventy six. This
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  is four o'clock. Did they say something? Answer? And this
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  is a removed inmate. The next one is over here too.
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  There are some inmates that moved in and out. Now
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  let's go to the ten pm count answer uh huh
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  question and go over the inmates that so you can
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  follow the numbers. Question. Let me pull my chair closer
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  so I can see that question. Now, this is the
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  evening launch document the other sheet. Now, if you're starting
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  to look at inmate Hemingway six thirty four pm, he's
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  removed from the shoe, goes TOES right, and the next
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  one is inmate Reed gets moved from ZA to GS.
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  Now we lost two more inmates. That's seventy three answer
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  uh huh question. Then we gain two inmates. The shoe
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  gains two inmates A twenty one Felix and Williams from
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  ZA to suicide watch in the shoe right answer Wait
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  a minute from ZA. No, he came from the shoe.
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  Question from shoe to suicide watch. So now we're down
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  to seventy one and question right, and then we have
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  Garcia question. Wait, I'm sorry, hold on, this is seventy
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  that's one. That's another one Okay, that's R and D one. Two. Okay,
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  I see why it's two. Okay, that's two. Right. Question,
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  that's two. And then you see he gets cut off
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  by the guard, So it's suicide. Watch right. Answer yeah,
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  and you see one inmate was gained. Garcia Pennis moved over.
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  Now I'm going to show you the ten pm count,
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  the ten pm count on the E one what is
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  that show? Answer seventy three question Okay, on the last
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  couple of pages, can you find the one for za?
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  Za would be the shoe right the count slip? Answer?
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  Uh huh? Question what is the show? Oh? Answer seventy
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  three at ten question but seventy three? What answer? Plus one? Question?
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  What does the plus one mean? Answer? That means somebody
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  was there plus one, So it's somebody that's there, but
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  he I guess he's not accounted for, but he's there.
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  Question But can you by looking at the document, can
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  you figure out who that is? Answer? Uh huh. Question.
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  I'm going to show you the twelve pm count. Two.
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  This is twelve am count. There's August tenth, twelve am count.
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  Now you're working in control at that time. Answer, I
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  don't remember at the moment, but I know I worked
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  in control that day. I know she came in there
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  and she took the count. Question were you present when
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  she took the count? Answer? Uh huh. Question twelve am
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  until he gets cut off by the guard. Yeah. Question.
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  So by looking at that, can you tell who it
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  was that took the count? That the E one s
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  that's somebody's signature, that's somebody else. That might be her
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  signature question redacted answer, Uh huh, it might be her signature.
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  Question so we can tell you redacted took that count.
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  We'll just let you she took the count. Do you
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  remember being present that day when she was there taking
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  the count? Answer? I was present. Yes. All right, we're
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  gonna wrap up right here, and in the next episode
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  dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where we
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