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Jaime King on Hollywood Secrets, White Chicks and Super Models · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: Heather MacDonald.
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  Speaker 2: Hello and welcome to Juicy Scoop. I am so excited
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  Speaker 2: to talk to my friend, actress of screen, television, so
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  Speaker 2: many things, Jamie King, mostly white chicks. That's like the
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  Speaker 2: only movie I've really done. But no, I was so
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  Speaker 2: excited that you could come on today. Thank you.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I
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  Speaker 3: love you.
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  Speaker 2: There's, we've been seeing each other at like Kathy Hilton parties.
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And I kept saying, okay, you got to come, you
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  Speaker 2: got to come on. And yes, I was just like,
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  Speaker 2: I forgot how many, how many movies you have done.
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  Speaker 2: Let's just start from the beginning. Where did you, like,
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  Speaker 2: when did you start getting in the business? How old
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  Speaker 2: were you when you first started working in it? I, well,
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  Speaker 2: in the film industry, I did my first movie when
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  Speaker 2: I was 19.
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  Speaker 3: And previously to that, I was... in fashion. And I
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  Speaker 3: always knew that I wanted to be a filmmaker. And
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  Speaker 3: also to learn everything that I could about the art form,
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  Speaker 3: which meant that I had to get out of Nebraska.
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  Speaker 3: So I left home.
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  Speaker 2: So you were raised in Nebraska?
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  Speaker 3: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: And so were you modeling first?
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Were you discovered? Or in Nebraska, you knew how to
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  Speaker 2: get an agent?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I read it in a local newspaper that if
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  Speaker 3: you got an agent or went to a modeling school,
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  Speaker 3: then fancy people from other... places would come to you
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  Speaker 3: and I was always starving very very hungry for information
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  Speaker 3: and I felt like I was just not getting that
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  Speaker 3: information that I wanted as an artist in Omaha at
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  Speaker 3: that time.
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  Speaker 2: So you were just living like a normal Nebraskan life
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  Speaker 2: going to high school and but you just had a
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  Speaker 2: desire to do this and so yeah oh that's so
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  Speaker 2: cool always and so when you would tell you just
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  Speaker 2: told your parents like I'm going to be a movie
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  Speaker 2: star and they're like what was the reaction.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think my parents ever quite knew what to
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  Speaker 3: do other than the fact that I was so determined
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  Speaker 3: to do something. You know what I mean? And so
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  Speaker 3: I figured that the best way to learn and gather
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  Speaker 3: information that I wanted to learn was to go through
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  Speaker 3: the route of, okay, please save money for me so
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  Speaker 3: I can go to modeling school. Then I get to
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  Speaker 3: meet people from other cities. Then I'll get it. It
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  Speaker 3: was like very pre-planned out.
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  Speaker 2: So you actually went to a modeling school and it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a scam.
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  Speaker 3: No, it was not a scam at all. I was
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  Speaker 3: 12 and they were sending me straight to Miami with
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  Speaker 3: Elite and then back to New York at 13. Oh, okay.
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  Speaker 2: So then is that when you're like going to a
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  Speaker 2: traditional school stopped?
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  Speaker 3: Or were you still able to go to school? I
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  Speaker 3: was going to a traditional school. Then I was supposed
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  Speaker 3: to go to a gifted school, but I did not
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  Speaker 3: want to do that. And so I went over the
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  Speaker 3: summer with my mom and then went to go back
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  Speaker 3: to school shopping kind of thing. And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: my God, I can't. And then the agent called. My
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  Speaker 3: agent called and was like, listen, your kid can either
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  Speaker 3: be doing this and doing correspondence courses, or she can
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  Speaker 3: just sit in Nebraska and be completely depressed. He didn't
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  Speaker 3: say that, but that inside of me, I'd be like, oh, God.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so when you were that young doing, like, high
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  Speaker 2: fashion stuff, was– Did you have a chaperone, or did
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  Speaker 2: your mom have to, like, did you have other siblings
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  Speaker 2: that she had to leave to be with you, or
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  Speaker 2: how did that work?
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  Speaker 3: My mom would come to as much as she could,
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  Speaker 3: but I have other siblings, so she had to do that.
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  Speaker 3: And so they would put me with chaperones that were
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  Speaker 3: not really, in my opinion, chaperones. You know, I have
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  Speaker 3: a lot to say about the industry. Not just... negative
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  Speaker 3: things because I love it very much. I got to
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  Speaker 3: learn from literally the best of the best designers, artists, people.
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  Speaker 3: I would never have changed it. However, you know, as
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  Speaker 3: I got older, I really wanted laws to be implemented,
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  Speaker 3: you know, after I left the fashion industry because there
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  Speaker 3: were no laws to protect minors. But long story short,
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  Speaker 3: which they now do have, thank God. By the time
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  Speaker 3: I turned 18, I had saved all the money that
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  Speaker 3: I needed. I quit at the height of my career,
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  Speaker 3: and everyone thought I was loco. As a fashion model,
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  Speaker 3: you mean. Yeah, loco. They're like, what are you doing?
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  Speaker 2: So you had big campaigns, magazine covers.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I was a supermodel, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And just going back a minute about for children working,
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  Speaker 2: when they did make the laws in American history, the
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  Speaker 2: kids couldn't be working at factories and there were child
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  Speaker 2: labor laws, truly the only business a child can work
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  Speaker 2: in Is the entertainment industry.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's the only one that's legal. They cannot be making clothes.
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  Speaker 2: They cannot be, you know, picking strawberries or working in
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  Speaker 2: a field or working in a factory. They, or even
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  Speaker 2: working at a yogurt shop or whatever until they are
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  Speaker 2: of a certain age, except for entertainment.
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  Speaker 3: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Where they're just around adults and where there's all this
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  Speaker 2: pressure to That it doesn't matter. I think like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got the teacher and you have the proper hours,
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  Speaker 2: it's still this weird thing that like if you're the
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  Speaker 2: if you're Miley Cyrus, like you're Hannah Montana. If you
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  Speaker 2: don't want to come to work, they're like, oh, I
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  Speaker 2: guess 200 people are out of work today.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, who says that to a kid? You know
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  Speaker 3: what I mean? I know our industry does. Our industry does.
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  Speaker 3: Even if you're an adult, it's the same thing. Right.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. And so when you were modeling, were
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  Speaker 2: there times that just was too much for you at
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  Speaker 2: a young age of just that kind of pressure?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I think so, for sure. I mean, I guess
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  Speaker 3: I had a different way. I learned how to cope
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  Speaker 3: with it because at that age, your brain's not even
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  Speaker 3: fully developed. So I just, I wanted to learn how
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  Speaker 3: to be as responsible as possible, though I longed to
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  Speaker 3: be close to my family, though, knowing if I would
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  Speaker 3: go back and be close to my family, I would
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  Speaker 3: be longing for something else. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like one of the youngest kids around
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  Speaker 3: the supermodels that I wanted to be.
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  Speaker 2: So were you like traveling to Europe and all these places?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. And like doing like a fashion week.
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  Speaker 2: What is that even like? What is, because you see now,
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  Speaker 2: like everyone go to fashion week and all that. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, I feel like it's very different today than
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  Speaker 2: it was 20 years ago.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, in the 90s in fashion, it was bonkers. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And when it was really the supermodels. Glamour, supermodels, you know,
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  Speaker 3: just it was exquisite. And also, you know, it was
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  Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of work, but a lot
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  Speaker 3: of like just extraordinary beauty. So it would be you
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  Speaker 3: go to from New York to London, London to Milan,
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  Speaker 3: Milan to Paris for a week at a time. And
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  Speaker 3: during that time, it it's different than now. Like then
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  Speaker 3: it was like basically the same crew of people, you know?
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  Speaker 3: So we were all on this journey together per se.
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  Speaker 3: And then, um, so that would be twice a year
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  Speaker 3: for Pret-a-Porter and then Couture as well. So like you're
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  Speaker 3: spending your whole life like on, you know, obviously traveling
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  Speaker 3: and that's not including shoots, but some of the most
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  Speaker 3: magical times I had was that, I mean, talk about
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  Speaker 3: life lessons.
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  Speaker 2: And did worth, Were there young girls that would get with, like,
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  Speaker 2: the older guy that had a new model every year? Like,
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  Speaker 2: I always feel like there's always that, like, older, like,
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  Speaker 2: famous photographer that then falls in love with the young,
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  Speaker 2: impressionable model. Like, did you see relationships like that?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But I fell in love with someone that was basically
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  Speaker 3: my age. Who was that? David Sorrenti. Davide Sorrenti. Oh, okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And how long were you guys dating together?
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  Speaker 3: We were dating until he passed away.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: And his brother, he passed from a disease called thalassemia,
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  Speaker 3: sickle cell.
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  Speaker 2: Oh.
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  Speaker 3: And what was beautiful about that is that we got
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  Speaker 3: to go through this industry together and document it all.
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  Speaker 3: So we were like street kids, skaters, love music, and
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  Speaker 3: suddenly were propelled into this high fashion world, you know,
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  Speaker 3: coming from really nothing to suddenly making extraordinary amounts of money.
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  Speaker 3: And his brother, Mario Sorrenti, was already like a huge, huge, huge,
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  Speaker 3: and still is, photographer. And I met Davide when I
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  Speaker 3: had just turned 14 on one of my first campaigns,
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  Speaker 3: which was for Benetton. Oh, wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And so that was like your first boyfriend.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And now how did you handle managing these big paychecks
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  Speaker 2: and money where you weren't taken advantage of?
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  Speaker 3: And how did you do that? Well, I never knew.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I couldn't write a check until I was 18. So
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  Speaker 3: what would you do? Just pass it on to your...
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  Speaker 3: So the money goes essentially into a bank.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 3: But you can't even access it necessarily. You have a
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  Speaker 3: business manager that can access it. And then they do
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  Speaker 3: all of the business management for you. And so it's
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  Speaker 3: a very, I'll never forget going into the bank after
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  Speaker 3: I turned 18 and wanting to cry because no one
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  Speaker 3: taught me how to fill out a check. Like I
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  Speaker 3: didn't even know how to do that thing, you know,
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  Speaker 3: but yet I was responsible. Like I had all of
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  Speaker 3: this money, like a lot, a lot, a lot, a lot,
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  Speaker 3: a lot of money, like crazy money. And, you know,
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  Speaker 3: it was just... that's a trippy thing to think about, right?
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  Speaker 3: Like you can't have a bank account until 18 at
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  Speaker 3: that time.
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  Speaker 2: And so were you like, what were you doing with
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  Speaker 2: all the money? Were you just saving it? Were you
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  Speaker 2: sending it to your family or what?
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  Speaker 3: I was saving it. I would, I would save it.
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  Speaker 3: I saved it. Um, I would send it to my
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  Speaker 3: family in terms of like my sister, like whatever she
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  Speaker 3: needed for college or like, you know, um, just, you know,
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  Speaker 3: whatever my family needed. Absolutely. But they didn't, it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: asked of me like that. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: My family didn't ask that of me. It'd be more like, Oh,
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  Speaker 3: my sister's in Colorado and you know, she just started
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  Speaker 3: school and I really want her to have like, like
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  Speaker 3: a car that fits for Colorado. You know what I mean?
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  Speaker 3: That kind of thing, you know?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Nice. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So you said it. So then you said at 18,
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  Speaker 2: you wanted to stop the modeling because you had a
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  Speaker 2: desire to act or what was it?
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  Speaker 3: I always had, I always wanted to be a filmmaker,
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  Speaker 3: but by the time I turned 18, I knew that
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  Speaker 3: I had saved the amount of money that I wanted.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, I just, wasn't learning anything anymore I got
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  Speaker 3: to learn from the best best best best people literally
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  Speaker 3: the greatest designers the greatest people and I when I'm
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  Speaker 3: not feeling like I'm still learning if I feel like
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  Speaker 3: I've gone to excellence in that area or mastered that
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  Speaker 3: area it's like okay now is the time and so
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  Speaker 3: um I uh I uh a writer reached out. His
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  Speaker 3: name is Daniel waters. And he is, it was so
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  Speaker 3: crazy because he's one of my favorites. He wrote, um,
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  Speaker 3: a film called Heather's that I love so much. I
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  Speaker 3: love that. So he wrote that and saw my picture
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  Speaker 3: in a magazine and wrote a film called happy campers,
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  Speaker 3: which is basically like a modern retelling of a midsummer's
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  Speaker 3: night's dream. And, um, And so he wrote a part
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  Speaker 3: for me. And so I kept flying out here to audition.
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  Speaker 3: It was like Mike DeLuca, Denise DeNovi were producing. And
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  Speaker 3: I got the part. It was such a fun thing.
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  Speaker 3: It was Justin Long, Peter Stormare, Brad Renfro. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: like the cast was insane.
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  Speaker 2: And so was that like really the first time did
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  Speaker 2: you work with an acting teacher? I mean, was it
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  Speaker 2: hard for you or was it just a natural thing?
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  Speaker 2: Did you know how to properly audition for an acting
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  Speaker 2: role at that point?
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  Speaker 3: No, I didn't have an acting teacher at that time.
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  Speaker 3: But it was not scary for you? You know what
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  Speaker 3: it's like, Heather? When you don't know that you have
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  Speaker 3: something to lose, you're so much freer in it. It's
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  Speaker 3: so much easier to tell the truth in the moment,
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  Speaker 3: just being the character and being yourself, because you don't
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  Speaker 3: have this... thing about like, oh, if you fuck up,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like, you know, like just to this and
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  Speaker 3: you're in trouble. Like I didn't have any of that.
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  Speaker 3: It was just, it was meant to be. And I
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  Speaker 3: was disciplined about it, you know?
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  Speaker 2: So, so you loved being on set and doing that movie.
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  Speaker 3: But the first time, the first, the first day I
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  Speaker 3: was like the, the director called action and I looked
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  Speaker 3: at Justin and I was like, what do I do?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And he's like, you act. Now you act.
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, okay.
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  Speaker 3: Like there's, you know, the basic terminology. Like obviously I've
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  Speaker 3: heard action my whole life. But it was like I
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  Speaker 3: kind of froze and I was like, uh. And I
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  Speaker 3: was just so caught up in the movie magic of it.
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  Speaker 3: It was just so cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that felt a lot different than when you
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  Speaker 2: were just like wearing the clothes, doing the photo shoots,
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  Speaker 2: having the music and the wind blowing your hair. Like
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  Speaker 2: was that what it was like when you were just modeling?
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  Speaker 3: Because I always just think.
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  Speaker 2: Whenever I think of that, like, growing up, I was
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  Speaker 2: always like, oh, my God, like, I would be so
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  Speaker 2: amazing to be a model. And then, like, when I
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  Speaker 2: would have to do a photo shoot just for myself
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  Speaker 2: or stuff, I was like, I can't wait for this
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  Speaker 2: to be over. It's just so much less fun. And
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  Speaker 2: I used to just think, oh, for someone to do
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  Speaker 2: my hair and makeup and, like, you know, and have
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  Speaker 2: the fan go.
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  Speaker 3: But it actually is not that fun. I don't think
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  Speaker 3: everybody's meant for it because Christina Ricci was telling me, like,
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  Speaker 3: she's like, it's so much easier for me to just
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  Speaker 3: be in character. She was feeling nervous about going to
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  Speaker 3: a photo shoot that day. And she was like, I
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  Speaker 3: just don't want to be myself. I don't want to, like,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean? It's so much harder to
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  Speaker 3: do that thing. I mean, with modeling or in fashion shoots,
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  Speaker 3: you still can, because it is a collaborative effort, you
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  Speaker 3: can still get into that zone and you're just like, oh,
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  Speaker 3: this is dope. Like, this is amazing, you know? Like,
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  Speaker 3: because you're, you can create a character. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if I'd feel the same way if it was flip-flopped.
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  Speaker 3: But that need for artistic expression and collaboration.
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  Speaker 2: Went way farther.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I needed to, I always knew.
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  Speaker 2: So then once you did that, then you were on
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  Speaker 2: the roll. Then were people putting up for parts, and
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  Speaker 2: then was the next big thing that you did, was
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  Speaker 2: that the Pearl Harbor?
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  Speaker 3: It was Blow, then Pearl Harbor.
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  Speaker 2: And did you love doing that?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my God. It was amazing.
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  Speaker 5: Where did that need come from where you thought that
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  Speaker 5: you had to succeed in order to feel loved?
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  Speaker 3: He said, I have a work dad.
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  Speaker 5: I need a home dad. What happens next?
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  Speaker 2: When I came in, he started crying.
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  Speaker 5: happens next.
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  Speaker 3: I decided to risk it all.
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: I realized how valuable every day was. You're worth the work.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: Listen, Dara, I'm not going to pull punches. You can
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: use your voice even if it shakes.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: The stories are different, but the impact is the same.
• 17:08
  Speaker 5: Only one question matters. What happens next?
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: Did you love doing like a period piece?
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: It was extraordinary.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Every day we looked so beautiful because it was like
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: the way they set, it was all true to that time.
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: So they would set your hair like the way they
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: did in.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: The olden days? And you'd sit there for five hours
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: and I'd be like, you know what? It's worth it.
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: Because when I go on that screen and when I
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: walk off the set, I'm just going to look amazing. Amazing.
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: It was so great. I didn't understand really what the
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: big deal was when I got cast in it because
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: I didn't know who those people were. Uh-huh. And that's
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: another great thing about going into rooms where it's not
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: this crazy, intense, like, oh, I'm walking in front of
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer. I didn't know. And so
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: in that time, ignorance was bliss because I could just
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: be present, like fully present. And when I auditioned, I
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: auditioned for the role that Kate Beckinsale plays, but I
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: was too young for it. And so I was very
• 18:17
  Speaker 3: lucky because they wanted me to still do it. And
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: so I got to write that part with Michael Bay.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Cause originally it was like one line, you know? And
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: so they made it work and, and they're like, this
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: is the biggest budget movie of all time. I was like, fantastic.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I have no idea what you're talking about. And then
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I got there. It's like, like, like so extravagant and
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: so on purpose. So at the same time that I
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: was like, this is awesome. I love making movies. It's like, houses, like,
• 18:44
  Speaker 3: by the beach. Everyone brought their boyfriends or girlfriends in.
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? It was like, you know,
• 18:49
  Speaker 3: Gwyneth was there with Ben and da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Giselle was there
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: with Josh Hartnett. It was like we were having the
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: time of our lives, working our asses off, but having
• 18:57
  Speaker 3: the time of our lives. And I was like, this
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: is amazing. And then I went to the next movie,
• 19:03
  Speaker 3: which was amazing, but I was like, oh, that's what
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: they meant by that. Like, by the budget difference. By
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: the budget difference. It was not, like, you know, actual planes,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: like 50 million planes and strafing lines and shots that
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: are like, you know, $ 250, 000 a shot. You know what
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I mean? It was like, it was a real, it
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: was extraordinary.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And also you just, you have that classic look too.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Like you have that, like you do look like you
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: could have come out of like the 1940s. So I
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: think that's probably the appeal too of, of choosing you
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: for the role. You know, there's just certain like classic
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: looking people like, Oh, you look like you come from
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a different era. Yeah. Okay, so let's get into now
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: White Chicks because this was obviously a big comedy. Had
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: you done much comedy before they called you into?
• 19:50
  Speaker 3: This role? I'd done a couple of films that were comedy,
• 19:54
  Speaker 3: but I love comedy so much. And I was like,
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: you know what? I set the intention inside myself. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: was like, I want to work and learn from the
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: best of the best of the best of the best.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: And to me, they are the best of the best
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: of the best of the best of the best. And
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: so I went into the audition and I auditioned. And
• 20:12
  Speaker 3: also Lisa Beach is just a genius casting director.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: I went into the audition and I auditioned for the
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: role that Jennifer Carpenter. Oh, one of the girlfriends. Yeah.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I'm so fat.
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: That's the part I wrote.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: So that part, which was the that is based on
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: my friend Stacy, who is my sorority sister.
• 20:34
  Speaker 3: We're still friends today.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: Is when we would, like, be getting dressed, she would
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: be like, look at this.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Like, oh, hello.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: And she'd, like, take, like, a little squirt of fat,
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: the way we all are awful, right? You know, and
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: being like, I'm back fat Betty. I'm da-da-da. And so
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: then when I was working on the film and, you know,
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: we decided, he's like, yeah, you know what? We should
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: have a scene where they're trying on clothes. Because his
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: sister had come into Kenan's house, where they were working
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: on the movie, we were writing the movie. And... And
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I was just a contributing writer. You know, it was
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: like they already had sold a show and everything. And
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: I was working on another movie and I saw as
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: I was waiting for them to come work on this
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: other movie that we were writing. I saw like the whatever.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: It wasn't Deadline at the time, but it was whatever
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: actual printed about this movie that they called White Chicks
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: and how it was like based on Paris and Nikki
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: and like this whole thing in the Hamptons. And I
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: was like, well, can I when you guys are ready
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: to write this one, can I help write this one? Because,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I am a white chick. Like, you should
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: have one on the staff. And so and so then anyway,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: she came in and I had these pants on and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: she she was like, oh, are those the Mark Wong
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Nark pants or something? And I'm like, oh, yeah, I
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: get them on that at that store on Third Street
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: on Third Street.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: And I go, isn't that girl?
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: I go, that girl's always there to help, but she's
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: kind of annoying. And we talked about how like someone
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: keeps coming in and you're like, I got it.
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: Just like give me a minute. And so then he.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Goes, oh my gosh, we have to have a scene
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: where they try on clothes. And then you go off
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and write it. And so then I wrote those parts
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and then they were nice enough to be like, okay,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: we were able to get you to come to Canada
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: to play the part of.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: The sales girl.
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: But when in doing the parts, so they wanted you
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to be one of the, The friends, the three friends
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: of the Wilson, the fake Wilson sisters first. Because you
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: were one of the real Wilson sisters. So you went
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: out for that part first and then they thought you
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: were a better match.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: Well, I went in and I did that and I
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: went like way over the top in the best way.
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: And so they're like, hold on. We would like sit outside,
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: like sit outside. Like we want to talk for a sec.
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: And then they asked me to come back in and
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: improv for For, you know.
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: The girls.
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: The girls.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: The real girls. And you guys were like really so perfect,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you and Brittany. You look like you could be sisters
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: and friends and all that. And I remember when I
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: was there filming and it was fun to like hang
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: out with you guys. And I remember you guys did
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: the dance and Keenan goes, it's too good.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Yes, Keenan.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: He's like, this isn't funny. You guys are too good.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: And you guys had spent like a week doing like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: this whole, working out this whole routine.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that anybody knew that.
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: No, I remember I was like there when he's like,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: it's too good. He's like, it has to be like,
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like not good. It has to be like horny.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: And so that's when it had you guys like frustrated
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: and being like, doing those dorky moves.
• 23:41
  Speaker 3: And that was so. Well, you remember he's like, what
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: are the widest moves you can do?
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: And we're like, the running man, like the sprinkler. Right.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But because we all had rhythm, he was like, yeah. Right.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: It was so fun.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys could all, like, dance really well. And
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: so that was really funny how then that came back about.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: But that was fun. That was, like, because I got
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: to go twice. I went once in the beginning to just, like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: work on, like, the final bits of the writing. And
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: then I came back to do my scene. And, yeah,
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: who would have thought, like, that it was– that it just, like,
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: lives– in infamy and like people all the time are like,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Oh my God, ever.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Now more than ever when it's like, I'm like, Whoa,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: this was not just ahead of its time.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: It's like a, the social commentary of it is bonkers. Right.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: You know? Yeah.
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: And I think that like, and I remember like how
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: some jokes were written, like, so they, they'd have like, um,
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: always some, like some other younger writers, whether they were
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: nephews or whatever, come in and, And I can't remember
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: who this was, but like he was like, OK, pitch
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: your jokes. And this one guy goes, oh, you know,
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: the thing once you go black, you never go back.
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: He's so then this one of you goes. So I thought,
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: you know, once you go back, once you go black,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you ought to put a wheelchair. And he goes, and
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: then I just thought it'd be funny if a white
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: girl came by in a wheelchair and was like, hi.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: Yes. And like.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: That's just, like, how those jokes would come about.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: And we were all, like, dying laughing.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: So funny. There's so much improv, too.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, just a little, like, subtle, funny, oh, yeah, tons
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: of improv with you guys.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: But which started from the seeds of every idea that
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: you guys did, you know?
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: Which is, like, more like, okay, getting pushed to go
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: further and further with it. Yeah. Everyone was so amazing
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: on that.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: And just paint, what was it like to just, like,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: play such a rich bitch?
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: I had to approach it like I wasn't a bitch. Yeah.
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: It's just that we were right, and they were really mean.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: And being that it was really based on Paris and Nikki,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: because at the time they were in, you know, page six.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And I'll think about these two girls that were dancing
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: on tables in the Hamptons. And that's kind of where
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: they got the idea. And then they wanted to do,
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: and then it was actually Sean's idea that they would
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: be two, you know, black guys that pretend to be
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: white women dancing. And then they were like, well, let's
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: do it. I don't know how the FBI crime happened,
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: but I thought that was the most brilliant part.
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: And then put it in this world. And then what
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: was really cool is Keaton was like, okay, we're going
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: to watch every movie that was ever in the history
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: of moviemaking where men had to pretend to be women.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: For a reason.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: So it was like we watched, you know, Some Like
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: It Hot all the way back to like Tootsie.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: And so then I remember Keenan being like, there has
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: to be a scene where they almost get caught.
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: Yep.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: So like then we had Sean almost get caught.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: Yes. I love that scene. I love that scene.
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: All those kinds of things that I was like, I
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: was like, oh, and that's kind of when I realized like,
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: you know, even though this was such an innovative movie,
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: there is like there is a formula to, like, writing
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: a movie.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: And how genius it is to, like, look and kind
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: of figure out, like, ooh, we need that, we need,
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: you know, we need, like, the opening scene being that
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: they establish that they really are FBI agents and, you know,
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: this was the crime and how funny that was and
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: that they can do different characters and, you know.
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: And structure.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Structure and story, you know, like, that's... And King is
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: so brilliant at that. It's... I remember he.
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: And one of the rehearsals, it was really like a
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: sit down with him and the girls. And he was like,
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: you know, gave a sheet of paper, like a worksheet about,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: you know, what is your history? Of your character. Yeah.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: And I was, I was like, silently like, I already
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: did this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I already did that, like,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: like deep dive.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: But I was proud that I had already done that work,
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: not knowing that he would even suggest to bring up
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: that work. Right. Because. It's not something you usually talk about.
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: To create a whole backstory for yourself.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: A whole everything.
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah. You know, a playlist. Like, how do you merge
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: yourself with this character? And I just, like, he really
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: taught me that you treat comedy the same way that
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: you do with drama. There's no difference. And the one
• 28:10
  Speaker 3: thing he said that will always stick with me, he said,
• 28:12
  Speaker 3: there's no room for vanity in comedy. And that, I
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: was like, because you've got to make a mess.
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There's no room for vanity in it. You got
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: to be willing to get messy, you know?
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: I also remember, you know, when he was like, well,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: maybe the character, who was the character? What was the
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: character's name that did the back foot Betty? I know
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: the actress, but I don't know.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: What was her character name? I don't know.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: But that girl that did that, I remember he was like,
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: wait a minute, she's going shopping and she is wearing
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: a skimpy outfit.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: So then why would she not want to get into
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a like, another skimpy outfit and feel fat. And I
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: remember being like, because we're psycho.
• 28:56
  Speaker 3: Like, I don't know.
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, that's a normal thing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: It's so easy to have body dysmorphia. And in two
• 29:02
  Speaker 3: seconds and under the wrong lighting in a dressing room,
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: you start to go. Yeah.
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden it doesn't fit, you know? And then, yeah.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: And the fact that like busy, I loved busy Phillips too.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: And I loved how, you know, busy Phillips, how her character,
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: you know, everything going on with her character and, and,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: And even her, like, they had to pick the wardrobe
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: that actually wasn't flattering.
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:25
  Speaker 2: It would have been very easy to, like, put her
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: in a more flattering outfit.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Because she wasn't big, but she had to look, like,
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: a little curvier than the other girls to make that thing.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So it was it was so fun.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: And okay.
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: So that, that was like a really, a really fun
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: thing for you to do. Okay.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: So, and also I will say before like doing it,
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: I was like, I don't want this to, be portrayed as,
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: because Nikki and Paris have been my friends since we
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: were teenagers.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: So you knew them before you even went out on
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: the movie?
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: And were you thinking that it would be possibly?
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: I called because I was like, I don't want to
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: do something negative. No way. Those are my sisters.
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: Now how did you guys meet?
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: Those are my ride or dies. Like forever. Forever. We
• 30:17
  Speaker 3: met in New York on And I think I must
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: have been 17, 17, 17 years old. It was like
• 30:30
  Speaker 3: right when JetBlue like came out. And so they flew
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: us to Miami and we all went together. And I,
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: we've just been extremely close through everything since. They're two
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: of the most brilliant artists, businesswomen, mothers, friends. I really
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: crave and love family and family units. And they're my family.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: And so going to do that film, I couldn't in
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: my head base it off of either of them. Right.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: At all. Because that's not what I knew of them.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're not like that anyway.
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: So I was just playing the character that came forward
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: of what I know about people that act like that.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: But I didn't base it off of them at all.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: It really wasn't.
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: I think it was just the springboard of that. Rich
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: girls in the Hamptons that would have a father that
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: might find himself in this situation and that type of thing.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: And then from the perspective of a black male, I remember,
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: so Sean was like, we got to go out with
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: your friends. We want to go out one night with
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: your friends. So I was like, okay, so we meet
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: at Mr. Chow's. I was like, Sean, a couple of
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: the other writers that I was friends with. And then
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: we went to this like nightclub that I want to say.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know that it was called The Gate or whatever.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: It was on La Cienega. But I feel like you
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: went like there.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Is a white like typically white leading club. Yeah. Yeah.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: I kind of.
• 32:06
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: Whatever. A mix. And so that's when the the Beyonce
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: song actually came on. And we were so excited to
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: dance that. And Sean just stood back. And he was like,
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: that's when he was like, I don't care how much
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: it's going to cost to get this song. We have
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: to have that song for this scene because the girls,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: the entire club, all the girls went crazy.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: It's iconic.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: And also, I don't think we had the freaking rights
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: to the song when we did that scene. Oh, really?
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: Or when we were rehearsing. Unless I'm tripping. I don't know.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: I knew that they were like, no matter what, we're
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: going to get it. I don't know if they actually
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: had them yet.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But he was, yeah, he was like, and then
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: I remember when the making our way downtown and I go,
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: how did you guys come up with that song? And
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: they're like, we just feel like that is such a
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: white girl anthem. And I'm like, it is. Yeah.
• 33:00
  Speaker 3: And so it's very, so good. Everyone's so good in that. Yeah.
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: And so then that was crazy.
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: Like that we, you know, that he would just was such,
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: he was like, Sean was really, like, it was really
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: his whole idea was this movie, like, his brainchild. And then,
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: but then everyone would say, why isn't there another? And
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: all I could remember is that they were writing, producing,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: and they were the stars. I don't even think they
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: slept two hours a day.
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: No. They couldn't. They were exercising, eating a vegan diet.
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: I remember, like, the highlight of the day was those
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: little cups of those little.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Because they had to be so much smaller.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Vegan-y chocolate chip. Like, they're, like, M & Ms, but
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: they're not. They're, like, the kind you get at, like,
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: a co-op.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: And... A co-op.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: The amount of hair and makeup and the writing and
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: the producing. I just remember... And the exercise.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I just remember, like, Sean and Mel literally just sitting
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: there as they, like, finished the hands, and that's, like,
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: when they were getting their sleep.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Yep. Literally. In the chair. So then.
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: So then when... Recently, when there's been some talk that they'll...
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: It's gonna happen. I don't know if it'll happen.
• 34:07
  Speaker 3: Of course, I.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: reached out and was like, I don't care what element,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: even if it's just like a one day consultant, I
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: have so many ideas of what a great like storyline
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: would be, or at least something to do with, I
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: just have to do something with it. And now I
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: kind of wonder if in this world of like AI,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: if they could still do something like that, but not
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: actually have to like get in a mask. You know
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: what I mean? Like, you know how they did with
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: like the Irishman and how they could, or how now
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: they can just like, I was just at a taping
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: of Leanne Morgan's show and they said, okay, you're going
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: to see a scene we already filmed. And it's them on,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: it's Leanne and her husband on their first date. And
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: it's through the magic of like AI. It's, it was
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: them doing the scene. And then they were able to
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: like In post, they didn't have to put another actress
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: in Leigh-Anne's part.
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: It could just still be Leigh-Anne, but they made her
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: look like.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: She was a normal 25-year-old girl. But it was her.
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: It's crazy. It's so bonkers to me.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: So I wonder if they could do that. That'd be
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: nice if they could, if it would still be as funny.
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I think it's different when you're actually in it.
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because that's what leads to...
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: at least for me, when I put the clothes on,
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: when I put the makeup on, when I see, you know, it's,
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: it's part of becoming the character. Yeah.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: You know, um, and the AI stuff, I'm like, yeah, I, I, I'm,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: I'm not, I don't, I'm not, no, you know, I
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: just had someone do my voice. They took my voice.
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: It's not a vibe for me. And they put it on.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Someone else's, they put it on like an older woman
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: podcaster that looked smarter than me with glasses and, talking
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: about some product, but it was my voice and like 10.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: People sent it to me. That is illegal. That is wrong.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: So I, I know, I know.
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: And it's a, it's a hard fight. It's like, but
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: it's part of me was sort of flattered. Cause I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: see they do it to like, you know, other podcasters
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: like Mel Robbins and Joe Rogan. So I was like,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: I guess I've kind of made it whatever it is.
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: This voice sounds like an authoritative voice somehow that you
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: chose to steal it. But One more question about that.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: So then when the movie came out, did Paris and
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Nikki love it? Did they think it was funny? Did
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: they realize that they were somewhat of the inspiration?
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: I don't know if they did because I didn't aim
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: for that angle. You know what I mean? Actually, I'm
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: going to ask them that because I.
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: Haven't... I would guess they loved it.
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: I think everyone loves this movie.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: There's no one I've ever met that doesn't love this movie. Right. It's...
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: Literally one of the, and again, I'm going to say
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: now more than ever, it's like, it's crazy. I know.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I love that.
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: You know what a big part of it is, though?
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: Like, so in raising my sons, and I've said this before,
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: there is like a real lack of comedies for teenage
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: boys to enjoy.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: They have to watch all, they like old school. Step
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: Brothers is like every 20-year-old's favorite movie.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: And that was like 15 years ago.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: Like, there's nothing new that comes out that's kind of like,
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: And even with White Chicks, he was like, it's not.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Going to be R.
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: It's going to be PG-13 because it would be a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: broader audience. So in choosing the jokes, we had to
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: make sure we never entered towards the R because he
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: knew at that time that was a big price difference
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: of how much a movie could make. But yeah, I
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: think that's really where filmmaking, they need to tap into
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: that humor.
• 37:45
  Speaker 3: We're missing that. We're missing that now. Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: For sure. There's not really any great comedies coming out. No,
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: they have to watch all the old Will Ferrell, Vince
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Vaughn type of stuff. That's why they just watch it
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: over and over again and they love it because there
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: isn't anything else that speaks to them. That's why I
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: say if someone can write something like that, I'm like
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: that's where the money should be is writing those kind
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: of comedies where these boys feel they can relate.
• 38:09
  Speaker 3: Yes. Okay.
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: So I want to get into, I mean you've done
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: so many movies and so many things. And of course
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: I interviewed Sherry Papini and you play her in a
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: movie that came out not too long ago after it was,
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: you know, after she was convicted, they wrote this movie
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and did they come right to you and offer it
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: to you?
• 38:35
  Speaker 3: It was really strange because I saw a cover of
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: people magazine and I was like, who is this person?
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: What's going on here? Like something was up. Do you
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I was like, why do
• 38:50
  Speaker 3: I feel like they're not telling the whole story here?
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: And I read the article.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, when she first was missing. Or when she first
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: came back. Yeah.
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: Wait for it.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: So I called my manager and I was like, I
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: really want to option this story. Oh, really? Yeah. Because
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: there's something here. Something's amiss. Either her real story is
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: not being told or something else is not being told.
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: but something's up here. Cut to literally the next day.
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: I get the offer for Sherry Papini. The next day.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: And this was this.
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: When they already. And I'd never read this anything about it.
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: I read it.
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: You weren't following it.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: No. The day that I read the article, I called
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: my manager. The next day I get the offer and
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: I was not following it at all.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Isn't that crazy?
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: Do you feel like you have a lot of that
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: stuff that happened in your life where you're kind of like,
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: sometimes even inadvertently manifesting something?
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Yeah. Do you? Yeah.
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: A lot. Where I look back and I, a lot
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: of things that I've said and done as a young,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: like even as a kid, like where I'd say, oh,
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: I'd like this to be, you know, I imagine myself
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: writing a book and my child interrupting me and, but
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: writing from the house. And then when I was writing
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: my first book, like that exact same thing, you know,
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: stuff like that happened and, I didn't necessarily put it
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: on the board that I bought at Michael's, you know,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: and like whatever.
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Or in Sherry Papini's Hobby Lobby, whatever.
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Crap she's into.
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: But I know. But I would definitely like say it.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: And then there were times where I would do like
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: the where I look back and I would do almost
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: like an anti manifestation where I remember like at the Groundlings,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: which was this theater as part of the first day
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: I walked in, there was. the 30 main company, and
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: then there was like the 18 that performed only on Sunday.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: So like an A and B company.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And I remember I went right and I go, oh,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: I'll make the B company, but I probably won't make
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the A. And I didn't.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: So like, I think sometimes you can do it to
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the negative.
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: Absolutely. Because energy follows thought. Yeah. It follows thought. So
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: when we're putting something out there, typically we'll probably go,
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: depending on that direction, you know, in that direction. I mean,
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: I was looking through a journal, like a book of
• 41:11
  Speaker 3: mine when I was seven years old, six or seven.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: And I just wrote money on there, dollar bills. And
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: I was like, when I, when I grow up, I'm
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: going to become a model and I'm going to make
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: lots and lots of money. And it was just money, money, money, money, money, money, money, money.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: And that's what happened. And then on to the next.
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: Did you know, obviously you were a beautiful child. Did
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: you know that one of your gifts was in fact,
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: you know, being exquisite looking? Like when do you realize
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: that as a child that you have, that your talent is,
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: part of your talent is your outside appearance?
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: I didn't grow up in a typical way in terms
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: of being accepted for the way that I looked at all.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I was not like the cool kid. I got my
• 42:00
  Speaker 3: ass kicked all the time in school. Couldn't stand it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: I was always humiliated. It was really, like, I was
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: just different. I looked a particular way but didn't fit
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: somehow in the way that kids wanted me to fit.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: I was too eccentric or maybe didn't have enough money
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: to buy all the fancy things or whatever. And the
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: way I would dress was very eclectic. And I just
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: couldn't fit. And it was really upsetting. And kids can
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: be really mean.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: You know? And so I.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: I knew in my heart that I was beautiful, but
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: I didn't know how that would fit in. I'm also autistic,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: so it's like I have a lot of other things
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: that I focus on other than.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: You're autistic.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: And when did they find that out?
• 42:51
  Speaker 3: Oh, I found out in my late 20s.
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: And how did that come about?
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: It came about through getting tested because I realized that, like...
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: by having ADHD, then there was a possibility that the
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: other thing would be the case. And I was getting
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: my master's in spiritual science and psychology. And I just
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: started to really understand more of like, oh, that's that
• 43:16
  Speaker 3: thing in me that's kind of different than other people.
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: You know, like it's just the way that my brain
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: processes and the way that I relate or connect to
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: the world is very, it's not like, normal per se.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: But that's also like the genius side too. It's a gift.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So when you, okay, so let's get back to
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: the Sherry Papini.
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: So you get, so how soon after they offer you
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: the part, do they offer you the part without handing
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you the script or?
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Oh, they offered it to me. And so it was,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: you know, as you know, offer letter, offer a script,
• 43:55
  Speaker 3: materials attached.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: No, I never get offered anything on that. No, I
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: don't get offered. If I go out for anything, I
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: have to go out for it or write it myself.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: But OK, so then in doing it, you know, when
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: I interviewed Sherry. So just to catch people up, if
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you haven't heard this interview I did a few months
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: ago and Sherry Papini, after it was found out that
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: she did know her captor and she was convicted for
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: lying to the police and the government about what really happened.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: She has come out of jail, and now she has
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: said that the story was that, yes, she knew her captor,
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: but no, she didn't choose to stay confined to this
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: room all this time.
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I don't even know what she's saying.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: So she's saying, to just fill people in, in a nutshell,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: she's saying she knew this guy. And she knew him
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: from her past, and they started a little correspondence or whatever.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: She was in a very unhappy marriage with her husband.
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: And in the past, she had done phone flirting with
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: other people that he discovered. So he then became more
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: controlling of it.
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: And it almost made her want to, I think, seek
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: that attention from wherever. So this was like an old boyfriend.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: Someone in his family died. She reached out and started
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: talking to him. And then she says... He was like,
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I'm coming to see you today. And she was like, oh, fuck.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: Like maybe I maybe I flirted too hard because now
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: I don't want him to be here.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: So she goes out to meet him to just basically
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: be like, you got to go.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: I can't see you.
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: And then she says, I don't remember anything more. So
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: she's like, because I said I go. So you don't
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: remember going willingly with him or unwillingly, or did you
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: just get in the car to like placate him? And
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: then he just drove the nine hours and she's like,
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: I just don't know. I just know that I think
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: I was drugged. I was like, woke up at once.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: We got to the house in Costa Mesa. And then,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: so there's a lot of where she says in the documentary,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: which then that's kind of what I was basically my interview.
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: She basically says, then she was there and then. she
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: was held against her will and the abuse that took place,
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: like as far as the bruises and things were part
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: of sexual S and M that he insisted that she do.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: And it was against her will.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And she's like a sub and he's like a dom
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: or something. Yeah.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And so then I was like, so what, so then
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: one of the, the cover art of your, of your
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: movie is you have the bandage on your nose and,
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: which she had when she then was finally released and
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: went home and said these two Mexican women that kidnapped
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: her and lied about that for like four years until
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: they finally got him to tell whatever they wanted him
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: to tell. She says that he was like, it sounds
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: like she believes he was sort of coerced into saying
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: that they were in on it together in order to
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: save himself from going to prison. And So it's like
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: watching it and interviewing her and everything else. I mean,
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: obviously when she was sitting across from me, I was
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: being very nice.
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: Was it weird to look? I think it would be
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: really weird for me after having to study her.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: So she actually talked about you and she said she's lovely.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: And she read some interview where you said, you know,
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I'm going to do the best I can. This is
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: a sensitive subject. I can't imagine what this person really
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: has gone through. So I'm just going to play the,
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: you know, the role of how it's written and whatever.
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: And she thought that was like very respectful. And I
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: think it's interesting because it's like when I first heard
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: about it and that it wasn't true, the fake trigger
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: on kidnapping per se.
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I thought a couple of things.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: I thought, um, either yeah that she is kind of
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: fame hungry but then I'm like but then she kept
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: such a low profile after she came back she wasn't
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: like trying to do things to be in the limelight
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: so I think really what it was is I think
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: that she you know was fucked up and flirting with
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: these guys I think that she Wanted her husband to
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: like worry and miss about her. I think he wanted
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the husband to miss her. And then once she got there,
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: then I think he was like kind of dumb. And
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: he was like, oh, what the fuck? Now I'm a
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: fucking kidnapper. It's all over the news.
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 48:48
  Speaker 5: No.
• 48:48
  Speaker 3: Like you're not leaving. Yeah. And that's kind of what
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: I think happened.
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: I think she willingly went, didn't think it would blow
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: up that much, then realized, what the fuck am I doing?
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: I'm in this like little weird house in Costa Mesa.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: I want to be back with my family. But oh, fuck,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: now what?
• 49:06
  Speaker 3: Yep. That's what I think happened.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, so I think in some ways
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: she was kind of kept, maybe not everything she was
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: willing to do. I mean, the fact that she lost
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: so much weight makes me think that it wasn't tolerable.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: her doing. The branding thing is weird, which I know
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: there was a scene in the movie of that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: All of this stuff is in the movie. And when
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I went to approach the play, I was like, okay,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: I'm going to, like with any acting, do it as
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: honestly as possible. Yeah, because in the back of my head, again,
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: I didn't know it was true or not true. Right.
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: So I wanted to approach it as if I was
• 49:47
  Speaker 3: her and her truth. You know, it's actually you've got
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: to see the movie. It's really good.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. I really do want to see it because,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, I should have seen it before you came today.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: But like, no, I will definitely see this. I know
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: it was on Lifetime, so we can probably find it
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: on Hulu or something.
• 50:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But in, yeah, we did the branding. We did.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: And the branding was, in the movie, it was that
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: she's telling him to do it, right?
• 50:13
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because that is what he tells the officers. But
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: always with that, I was like, okay. You know, even
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: with someone who has an extremely low IQ, like, you
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: wouldn't say, wait, I don't want to hit you. I
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: don't want to hurt you. Like, this isn't, why am I, like,
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: it was weird that they just let him off the
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: hook completely.
• 50:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: So I do feel like they set up their case
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: to make her the lying villain.
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because she has a vagina.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: All women apparently are. Yeah, exactly.
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It's weird when I look back at cases because
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: now I'm doing, like, another series, Juicy Crimes, and it's
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: just so interesting, you know, how there have been cases
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: throughout time where it's just like, just so out to
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: get the woman. And it was the woman that made
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: her lover.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Kill her husband.
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: And you're like, no, but wait, the lover is going
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: to get out in five years who actually shot him.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And the woman in the case of Sabrina Limon is
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: going to have to spend the rest of her life
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: in prison. And it's not even, I still think there's
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: a lot of doubt that she, if she knew that
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: he killed her husband or not, but I'm like, how
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: is he going to get out?
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Because that's just the way it's always been though.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:31
  Speaker 3: Honestly, that's the way it is. We are not heard
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: or seen or have a right to a fair or
• 51:38
  Speaker 3: just trial in any way, shape or form. I mean,
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: we don't even have rights to our own bodies. And
• 51:44
  Speaker 3: that wasn't that long ago before that stopped. And look
• 51:48
  Speaker 3: where we are now. You know, it's like it's there's
• 51:51
  Speaker 3: I don't know what this witch hunt always is about.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: You know, it's just pretty disturbing. It would be nice. Yeah.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying that everyone is innocent. Right. But it's, like,
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I think the process is completely different.
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a very interesting thing, like, what
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: they got her on, because it was, like, because she actually, like, lied.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: It wasn't necessarily you faked a kid up. It was
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: that you lied when we asked you about it, and
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: that is a crime, because it was, like, a federal case.
• 52:21
  Speaker 3: And wasn't it also because she utilized... Resources.
• 52:25
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Like they, as a victim, you had, she had whatever, $ 30, 000
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: or something.
• 52:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: So yes, she was, she did take advantage of that.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: So that she all, that's just a payback. They're still
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: paying all that back. And then she gets with this
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: other guy. So she has this, she had a boyfriend,
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: still longer with him. She gets with this other guy
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: whose wife mysteriously died.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Wait, wait.
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: Sherry Papini gets out of prison.
• 52:53
  Speaker 3: She gets a boyfriend. I don't even know what happened
• 52:55
  Speaker 3: since she got out of prison. She gets out of prison.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: She gets a boyfriend. And there's some articles like, oh,
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: my God, I can't believe these two are together. And
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: this guy was like a nurse. And his wife, that
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: he had just asked for a divorce, suddenly died of like,
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was COVID, but it was
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: like pneumonia. It was something very fishy. And then he
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: immediately got, you know, went off to make sure she
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: got buried or cremated or something. And there was a
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: whole like Facebook group to, you know, justice for this girl.
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: And there's something fishy going on. And then they're like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: and of course she's and he's dating Sherry Papini. And
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: then so when I interviewed her, they had since broken
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: up and were actually in and out of court based
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: on some like a house that he promised her and
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: she won't leave and something financial.
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: I don't mean to laugh. No. It's like, yeah. And
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: so I said that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: I go, do you think you have a problem with
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: your picker?
• 54:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: You're saying that your ex-husband was horrible. You're saying that
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: the boyfriend that you recontacted is the one that kidnapped you.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: And then you get out of prison and you meet
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: a guy who people are pointing a finger at that
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: he might have something to do with his wife's odd death.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: And now you've broken up with him.
• 54:21
  Speaker 3: What'd she say? She's like, yes, I.
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: Think I have a bad. She, she came and she's
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: like a very cute girl. So she has this ability
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: to like kind of bond with you, like on a
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: girlfriend basis. And she was one of those girls that
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: she's one of those people that does that thing where
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: they like use your name all the.
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: Time, but we just met.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: So she'd be like, you know, Heather, you know, if
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I was going to meet him. So one of the
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: things she said was I was supposed to just meet
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: him for lunch and And I was going to have
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: a friend come. And I go, well, then your friend
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: would be able to corroborate that story that there was
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: a plan to meet for lunch. And she was like, no,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: I don't. But but then we never did meet for lunch.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: That's that.
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: I thought I could placate him and meet him for lunch.
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: But then I was like, no. And that's when I said,
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: I can't see you at all. That's when I went
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: for my run and then saw him at the edge
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: of the street. And I don't remember anything else like.
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: And so then when I did the interview, she mentioned
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: the restaurant and then someone wrote me and said, that
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: restaurant's only open for dinner. And I go, well, maybe
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: it was open for lunch back in 2017. And I
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: looked it up and it wasn't. And I was kind
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: of like, and then the only other thing was she
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: comes back and she had thick, you know, thick blonde hair.
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: Like she has a good head of hair when I
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: saw her. And it was like cut like, like a
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: choppy bob. And I remember thinking when she first said
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: these two Mexican women kidnapped her and people thought, oh,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: maybe they were taking her to be trafficked because she's
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: blonde and she looks like she'd be younger. And I
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: remember thinking, well, why would they want to destroy her looks?
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: If long blonde hair is an asset to traffic, so
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: why would you cut it? So then when I said it,
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: somebody goes, did you look at the hair? It wasn't
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: like shaved. It was just like a choppy bob. So
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: then I was like, I think maybe I go, well,
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: now the guy wouldn't have cut the hair. That's not
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: part of BDSM. So I'm like, so I did write
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: her and I go, I just.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: I have one more question. I mean, it could be,
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: it depends on your kink. Maybe you wanted her hair
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: for later or something.
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: Maybe.
• 56:29
  Speaker 3: Who knows? But I don't know.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: She didn't write me back about who cut whose hair.
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: I didn't know if maybe, because if you were to
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: think that this was all her doing, she wasn't held
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: against her will. Maybe she cut her own hair just
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: to add to like a layer of trauma of like, oh,
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: my God. And they cut my hair and they burned
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: me with a Hobby Lobby thing. And that she did
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: have like an answer for everything. And I always thought
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: it was very weird that like that they that this
• 56:58
  Speaker 2: guy was not, you know, and I go, now, don't you.
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: When you were keeping the secret that this guy was
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: so dangerous for four years because you were so afraid
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: that your husband would get mad that you're with him.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: I'm like, weren't you concerned that this weirdo could do
• 57:10
  Speaker 2: this to like another person?
• 57:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: And she was like, yeah, but, you know, like I
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: didn't know what to do.
• 57:15
  Speaker 3: So it's just.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: But you. Yeah, I definitely need to see the movie
• 57:18
  Speaker 2: because that's like an interesting like. Is that the is
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: that the first like real person that you've ever played?
• 57:26
  Speaker 3: No, I played real people before. I played a woman
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: named Tony Jo Henry, who was one of the first
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: women ever to be electrocuted. In the United States of America.
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: What was that about? And that was in the late 30s.
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Tony Jo was a young girl. She was sold to
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: a brothel when she was about seven years old by
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: her stepmother. And so grew up in a brothel, became
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: addicted to heroin, da-da-da, meets this love of her life.
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: He comes in. He was a boxer. He gets her clean.
• 58:08
  Speaker 3: they fall in love, get married and go down to Texas.
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: And then he gets arrested for, because cops, because basically
• 58:17
  Speaker 3: he killed a cop in a different state and the
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: cops found him. And so he used to run with
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: Bonnie and Clyde. And so then she makes a vow
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: to get him out of prison and then teams up
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: with someone else. One of like, not a good guy.
• 58:33
  Speaker 3: John Hawks plays that character. He's so amazing. Um, And
• 58:36
  Speaker 3: so we, I, Tony Joe asked him to teach her
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: how to rob banks because she needs money to get
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: her husband out. She's very determined about this. She doesn't
• 58:44
  Speaker 3: believe in God, et cetera, et cetera. Things go awry.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: Someone gets shot. And that person that gets shot is
• 58:52
  Speaker 3: very highly linked up in the state government. They put her, um,
• 58:58
  Speaker 3: they charge her with the murder and give her the
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: death sentence. And, um, It's a really amazing movie. It's
• 59:06
  Speaker 3: called The Pardon. The Pardon.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: And so you play that role.
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: And do you have a scene where they put you
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: in the chair?
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: Yes, and it was actually like a real chair.
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: Was that just so freaky?
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: It was so freaky. And you know what else was
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: really freaky? Is that I asked the financiers... why they
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: wanted to do this. Like, why it mattered so much
• 59:30
  Speaker 3: to them because it was a beautiful film. And they're like,
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: we don't, there's just something about this film we just
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: knew we had to do. And the financiers were lawyers
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: and judges and came from a long lineage of lawyers
• 59:42
  Speaker 3: and judges. And so we're filming in this office and
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: props needed more books from that time. And they're like, oh,
• 59:51
  Speaker 3: perfect because, you know, my great granddad has all that
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: stuff downstairs. So, they go downstairs and come back up
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 3: and they're white.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: Who, wait, whose house downstairs?
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 3: Like, so we were in this office, but it was
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: the family office that we were filming in. Right. And
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: that office had been like, it was the grandfather's, the
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 3: great grandfather's of the financiers. Oh, okay.
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: So he goes, he goes, my girl, we have some
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: old books.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: Okay. Yeah. So he, so goes downstairs, you know, to help,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: you know, set deck, pick out books and stuff like that.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 3: Comes back upstairs, white. And, I'm like, what, what's up?
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 3: What's up? And he was like nearly in tears. He
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: was shook. He found in the, in one of the
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 3: drawers and the desk that he'd never gone into before.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 3: Cause he never had any reason to, um, like a
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 3: docket and it had all the sign. And then it
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: said her name and all the signatures of the judges
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: that had his sign. To approve for her. To be electrocuted? Yeah.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: And his great granddad was the last signature on it.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 3: That is so crazy.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: And he never knew that. And why doing the movie?
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: He was white. because again, props, set deck, all went
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: down with them. They were all just rummaging around in
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: this family office that no one ever went to, except
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: we just used it as a filming location. And so
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 3: when it comes back to things, there's some things that
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 3: we need to make, and then the fact that I
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: was like, oh wow, that's a way to balance out
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 3: that karma. You know what I mean?
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Wow, and just the way the universe works and that
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: there was a strong tie that he didn't know that
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: was somehow drawing him to the story.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: See?
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: In the subconscious universe. Like that is so interesting. Now,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 2: when you play certain parts, is it hard to go
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: to bed while you're filming? Do you like dream?
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: Are you a dreamer? Like, what's that like? I have
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: very intense dreams. It's, it's, and I use a lot
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: of my dreams for the character. So I'll do like
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: a lot of, you know, dream study or Jungian theory.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: And so I'll set an intention before I go to sleep. Um,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 3: that anything that can be revealed about the character, um,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: and how we can merge together, or et cetera, et cetera.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: I write a letter, and then I sign it, and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: I go to sleep. And then when I wake up,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: I wait till I sit up, and I just immediately
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: journal down everything that I dreamt about. And this is
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 3: something that I learned from the Actor's Studio. That's a
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: very sacred and really, really effective tool. And so then
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: you go through all the dream, and you figure out
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: what's what, And then it informs how you connect to
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: the character and also literally how you connect. It's really extraordinary.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: That's amazing.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But sometimes it's really hard to sleep because you're
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 3: wired from the day.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would think. Even when I do
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: any kind of performance or stand-up or whatever, it doesn't
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: matter to get up in three hours. I always know
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: that I can't go right to bed.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: No, no, no. You can never go back.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: No way.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 3: No way.
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, after you're like acting all day and then you're
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 2: like only have a few hours in between.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's nearly impossible.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: It really is.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: So what, I know you have two young boys because
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I met them at the party. So you're like, you know,
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: in that, they're like in what, middle school?
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: How old are they? James and I just started middle
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 3: school this year. Okay. And Leo Thames is in fifth.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like a busy.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very busy.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: All that back to school and all that kind of stuff.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: And you're recently engaged.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: And how did you guys meet?
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: We met through mutual friends.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: So that's exciting.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: It is exciting.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: So it's like a whole new chapter of life. And
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 2: what's the latest thing that you're working on?
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I'm about to start a film called Bound for Glory
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: that I'm really excited about. And I start that in
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: October and I do my press tour for Love, Danielle,
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 3: which is being released very soon. That's on Thursday.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: What's that about?
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: It's about, it's a true story. That's another true character. Yeah.
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: Devin Siddell and her sister, Amy, and I play Amy.
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  Speaker 3: It's about her sister and her, her journey of having
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  Speaker 3: Baraka gene and having to have a double mastectomy, all
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  Speaker 3: of her reproductive organs removed and, Um, even though she
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  Speaker 3: really wanted children and this whole film was made on donations,
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  Speaker 3: which is extraordinary. Um, and the reason why she found
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  Speaker 3: out is because her sister who I play Amy in
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  Speaker 3: real life, um, had to do the same thing. She
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  Speaker 3: got really sick and almost died. And that's the reason
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: why Devin went and got tested. And so it's an
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  Speaker 3: extraordinary act of like loving. And this film is super
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  Speaker 3: funny and, um, And poignant and very meaningful for me
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  Speaker 3: because I've been through the journey of cancer, as most
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  Speaker 3: of us have, with many friends and family members. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm very excited about that.
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  Speaker 2: That's awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's like a more recent story in history.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Because we're just hearing about that in the last decade
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  Speaker 2: or so.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: That's really important.
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  Speaker 3: And I have three other films coming out, too.
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  Speaker 2: And you worked with Steve Martin, too.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. Yes, and Eugene Levy and Bonnie Hunt.
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  Speaker 3: All the Cheaper by the Dozen.
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  Speaker 2: The Cheaper by the Dozen was such a great movie.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, so were you one of the kids? Yeah, I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: play Eugene Levy's daughter.
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  Speaker 2: And was it just so fun?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, my God. It's like Steve playing the banjo every day.
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  Speaker 3: It was a master class in comedy because seeing the
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: way that Eugene worked. seeing the way that Steve worked,
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  Speaker 3: seeing the way that Bonnie worked, and we'd be doing
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  Speaker 3: these big set pieces, and everyone has their own approach
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: with comedy, and it was just like, I couldn't believe it.
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  Speaker 3: It was amazing. We had so much fun.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: That's so awesome. Now, you also worked with Bruce Willis.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, multiple times.
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  Speaker 2: And did you ever notice that maybe something was slipping
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: at that time, or not during those movies?
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  Speaker 3: Not in the first movies, but I did one of
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  Speaker 3: his last movies with him and I'm very close with
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: his daughters and his family. And, and we did a
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  Speaker 3: film called out of death that came out in 20,
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  Speaker 3: we did in the pandemic. So that was November of 2020.
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  Speaker 3: So it came out like 2021. The experience that I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: had with him, I think was different because we've known
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 3: each other for so long. And so when he would
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: look at me and we would do our scenes, it
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: was like he was locked in. It wasn't the same Bruce. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: But there was something different. There was something different. When
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: I say something different, I think that he knew my
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 3: loving and I knew his loving. So my experience wasn't
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  Speaker 3: the same as the way maybe other people had experienced it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's also really beautiful when you see his
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  Speaker 2: family and his wife and When they do like a
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  Speaker 2: little update and it's sadly something so many people can
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: relate to.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Of just loving that person, knowing that they love you,
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  Speaker 2: but they don't have the faculties that they once did.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It's really amazing to see, you know, and it's really,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry to make you emotional.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, it's okay.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I mean, I can imagine. That's not what I, well,
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  Speaker 2: I know something fun. No, this was so great. I'm
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: so glad that you have so many great projects. And
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  Speaker 2: I mean, have you won any awards or been nominated
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  Speaker 2: for your acting?
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  Speaker 3: Yes, I have.
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  Speaker 2: What have you won?
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know. Cause I'm just like, I mean, I
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: feel like you've done so many things and I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure she's been up for seven.
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  Speaker 3: I'm a weirdo when it comes to awards. I don't
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: like talking about it. Yeah. Because I mean, I do
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  Speaker 3: it cause I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Do you, honestly, the awards and I don't mean to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 3: sound cliche, but literally the, the rewards and the awards
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  Speaker 3: are me. If I can make anyone feel less alone,
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  Speaker 3: Like that's really what it's about. And when I get
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: to be like with my crew and my cast and
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  Speaker 3: just tell the truth and entertain people like that's it
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  Speaker 3: for me. Like that's that's everything. I know.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't that so great when someone says something like I
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I've told this story before on my show so for
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: the people that have heard it but it's like I
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: remember Eddie Murphy was on a talk show it was
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: like a call in thing and this is when I'm
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: like 10 and I'm watching him and this woman called
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: in and she said oh I just wanted to tell
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: you Eddie if I ever had a chance to tell
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: you this um This many years ago, my son tragically died.
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  Speaker 3: Horrible.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, I will never laugh again.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 3: She told herself that.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: I'm never going to laugh again. And she's like, and
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: that night I turned on Saturday Night Live and he
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: was like his Gumby character. And she's like, and I
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: laughed again. And I remember at like 10 years old,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, that's what I want to do. I
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: want to make somebody be able to laugh on their
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: worst day or just escape.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 3: Yes. Or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: And I think when... you're in this business and it
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: really is because of something that genuine and not, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I want to have a big house and be on
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 2: the cover of magazines. And I just want to be famous.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want it, you know, like, or whatever that,
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: and there's nothing wrong with those people either, but the,
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  Speaker 2: the real people that do this, do it for those
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: actual reasons.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And that's, what's so cool.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know how anybody could even do it without,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 3: if it wasn't for like something so deep, cause it
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: takes so much. Yeah. There's so much that we go
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: through and do the perseverance and the vulnerability and the
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 3: strength that it takes. It's like there's no time to
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: really like like I can't not do it.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: Well, it's so great. I'm so glad that you got
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: to come and just share with us like your incredible
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 2: career so far. And I think there's so many awesome
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: things in your future. And if there is a white chicks, too, I.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 3: Hope we got to do it.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: You've got you have got to be in it as like,
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 2: you know. this living on a penthouse on your third
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: divorce lady, like, you know, some, some amazing, funny character
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: that you could be that you'd just fit right in
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: and maybe, you know, dropping snarky remarks or something without
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: realizing it. Like something like that would be amazing. But anyway,
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: I love you. Tell everybody you have a great Instagram,
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: beautiful photos and everything and a huge following. You're at 1.5
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: million people. So it's, Jamie, J-A-I-M-E, unique spelling from your mother,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: underscore king. Everybody follow her so you don't miss any
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: of her upcoming projects and everything. Mother filmmaker, activist, human,
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  Speaker 2: 100% founder.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, I love that.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: Oh, and then this is your production company.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Hooligan Dreamers Production. What a great name.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Thank you.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: I love that. That's so amazing. Have you ever directed anything?
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: I've directed multiple things, but I'm getting ready to direct
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 3: my first feature film, which I'm very excited about.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: That's so cool.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: That's a lot. That's hard. We produce a lot. Yeah,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 3: that's awesome. Yeah, it's very awesome.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Well, thank you.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: Thank you so much for coming, everybody. Thank you.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: They think you're done for the day, but they don't
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 4: know about the drawer. The drawer. Just the one square
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 4: before bed. Or two, you know. Nobody's watching. You deserve
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