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3 Guys Before The Game - WVU Defensive Coordinator Zac Alley (Episode 640) · 3 Guys Before The Game

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  Speaker 1: It is a showtime in the big city. Welcome in.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone is Three guys before the game. And have I
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  Speaker 1: ever said we got a good one for you. No, never,
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  Speaker 1: never have said let me tell you something, we got
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  Speaker 1: a good one for you. This is episode number six
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  Speaker 1: hundred and forty. We're delighted to have Mountaineer assistant head
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  Speaker 1: to football coach and defensive coordinators Zach Ally with us.
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  Speaker 1: way with a tutor's biscuit. Got to ask Zach if
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  Speaker 1: he's had a tutor's biscuit. Yeah, I mean he's been
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  Speaker 1: here several months now. Do you think maybe a GA
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  Speaker 1: has kind of come back into the building and said, hey, uh,
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  Speaker 1: a coach, I got this. If you try to tutors,
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  Speaker 1: I think trick it. But at least I now have
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  Speaker 1: given him a tutor.
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  Speaker 2: I think although we failed, we press sure have had
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  Speaker 2: him here.
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  Speaker 3: I can one right now?
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  Speaker 1: All right, question number one? Have you tried one yet?
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  Speaker 4: So I live you tutors over here on University Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: a minute from there. So well, okay, so you're I've
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  Speaker 4: been for you through a few times. So the first
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  Speaker 4: biscuit I got up there, I was so big I
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  Speaker 4: couldn't bite the name thing.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there's there's some situation. Yeah you got it.
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  Speaker 4: It's pretty large. Yeah you get Could you eat too
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  Speaker 4: at a time? Big debate here, tod I or do
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  Speaker 4: I need to know?
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  Speaker 1: You?
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  Speaker 2: Definitely don't need to. I don't need to you could
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  Speaker 2: you could? That's what we say too.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's interesting because one of the things and looking
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  Speaker 1: toward today's show that kind of stunned me. You were
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  Speaker 1: an offensive defensive lineman as a player, and I I
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  Speaker 1: look at you now, I'm thinking linebacker. When you think linebackers, sae.
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  Speaker 2: Hit somebody safety position.
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  Speaker 1: How much did you weigh?
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  Speaker 4: I was like to high school. Now, I was like
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  Speaker 4: two forty five. Yeah, I'm looking at you less than
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  Speaker 4: that now. So you know, I like talking about the
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  Speaker 4: freshman fifteen. Yeah, I lost the freshman thirty. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 4: that happened pretty quick when I when I got the clumpson,
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  Speaker 4: it kind of just dropped off.
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  Speaker 1: So what do you wait right now? I'm like, too,
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  Speaker 1: ten is okay? What's the workout? Football coaches are a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful I'll just I mean, as you know, talk like's
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  Speaker 1: not here. Yeah, you're all notes, you're all.
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  Speaker 2: I am aware they're complete Wait, say he's aware.
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  Speaker 1: They're completely crazy. And so I was going to ask
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  Speaker 1: you your workout, you know, your your plan, because it
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  Speaker 1: would not be like there's someone over in that building
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  Speaker 1: and I have no idea because everyone is absolutely new.
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  Speaker 1: But I guarantee you there's someone that goes into work
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  Speaker 1: out on the staff about two twenty two in the morning.
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  Speaker 1: Where's glade, glad, plastic garbage bags, no lights on, no
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  Speaker 1: lights on, complete suit, probably a scuba diving equipment on,
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  Speaker 1: and goes on the elliptical and then the treadmill gets
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  Speaker 1: off about four thirty. There's someone over there doing that.
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  Speaker 1: I agree, Oh, yeah for sure. Yeah not see that's
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  Speaker 1: what football is not used though, is.
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  Speaker 4: It occasionally depends on the day, what time I gotta
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  Speaker 4: be ready?
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  Speaker 1: So your workout is what what do you normally do?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I'm I'm most most days a week. I'll get
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  Speaker 4: in there some kind of cardio thirty forty five minutes cardio.
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  Speaker 1: And the elliptical or treadmill.
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  Speaker 4: Both depends on the day, so I like to mix
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  Speaker 4: it up. I get I get bored if I just
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  Speaker 4: do one for the whole week. So the elliptical one day,
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  Speaker 4: treadmill the next day. Run outside one in the days.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so you will run?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Rich? I think Rich when he was here, it was
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  Speaker 1: either here or somewhere attacked the elliptical.
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  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
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  Speaker 1: I think he turns his thumbs down on the.
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  Speaker 2: Elect I mean didn't like the elliptical.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I mean when he was here the first
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  Speaker 1: time down the road, you'd see him running. I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if the knees are still there for him. But
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  Speaker 1: he's doing stuff, but I don't know where he's at
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  Speaker 1: with is you see him down there at all? Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Every day?
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  Speaker 1: What's he doing?
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  Speaker 4: He's staremaster.
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  Speaker 1: That was it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, StairMaster. It's the best best pace car equipment in
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  Speaker 4: the world.
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  Speaker 1: That's exactly he tells you that, right. Oh yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: see I knew that that was what That's what it was.
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  Speaker 1: He he crept all over the elliptical and he's a
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  Speaker 1: big staremaster, a StairMaster too. So no, I'm not saying
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  Speaker 1: it's bad. I'm just saying, but like when he when
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't want something that he put the speed bag
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  Speaker 1: in there too.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I have no rhythm. I can't get the
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  Speaker 4: thing to really, but he's amazing at it. This morning,
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  Speaker 4: oh every morning, just.
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  Speaker 1: He's saying, he's making the thing sing.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah I can't, I'll swing twice and I I'm whiffed.
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  Speaker 1: Oh no, see I can do it too, you can
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  Speaker 1: do it, Yeah, I can do it. Really, I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I wish I could.
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  Speaker 1: You can do it? It just you gotta you gotta go
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  Speaker 1: slow in order to go.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you can't do it.
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  Speaker 1: No I can.
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  Speaker 2: That's a stunner.
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  Speaker 1: No you can. I really care.
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  Speaker 2: You could walk over to the speedbag right now and
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  Speaker 2: get it going.
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  Speaker 1: Make it sing true or false?
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  Speaker 3: Used to have that, Well, I don't think he'd say
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  Speaker 3: it in those terms if it weren't true. I think
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  Speaker 3: if he said I can do that, no I do,
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  Speaker 3: But you say you do, where's your speedbag?
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  Speaker 1: I have it? I had one. I had one growing up.
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  Speaker 1: I put it in for specifically that reason, because I
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  Speaker 1: would watch dudes like I would watch you know, remember
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  Speaker 1: like old school when they have boxing matches, and what
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  Speaker 1: would they always do. They'd show a little video of
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  Speaker 1: the guy like, yeah, here comes Pepe Sanchez and like
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  Speaker 1: this you know your clients, say Tim Ryan right away president,
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  Speaker 1: and so this dude, They're like today it's this guy
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  Speaker 1: and this guy's one, and I'm going like, I want
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  Speaker 1: to do that. So I bought one, installed it down
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  Speaker 1: in my basement and made that thing. Say why would
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  Speaker 1: you ever start out.
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  Speaker 2: Live there in forty five years?
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  Speaker 4: That doesn't mean you can go do it now I can't.
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  Speaker 1: I've done it. So here's the deal. When you guys
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  Speaker 1: one are you guys going to learn?
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  Speaker 2: Now he's going to have to go over there, he's
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  Speaker 2: gonna get a These.
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  Speaker 1: Guys challenge me to do stuff. They channing. They go, oh,
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  Speaker 1: you can't do that. So I told him I could
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  Speaker 1: go kill a boar. You hunt over here? You do yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So they said, they said, well you never shot again.
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  Speaker 1: I said fine, I just lined the thing up in
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  Speaker 1: the scope boom and knocked the thing out. So what
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  Speaker 1: did I do? I went out first, shot, blew a
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  Speaker 1: hole into a boar, killed it. And these guys still
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  Speaker 1: questioned me about a stupid speedbag.
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  Speaker 2: It was already I wasn't alive when he shot it.
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  Speaker 4: It was laying down the.
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  Speaker 3: Sleeping it was nine sleep.
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  Speaker 2: That's fine, Blitz to talk about's stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So I find your career very very interesting, very fascinating.
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  Speaker 1: I dug in. I went like, oh, this is like,
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  Speaker 1: this is good stuff. Twenty eleven, you're a freshman at Clemson.
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  Speaker 1: You immediately join the football program as a student assistant. Okay, listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not bringing up January at twenty twelve, because well.
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  Speaker 4: I get to see it every day when I go
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  Speaker 4: in the building, its fight there in the mirror, right
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  Speaker 4: in front of me.
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  Speaker 1: So you were so you you guys had just finished
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  Speaker 1: where your regular suit. So you were there. You were
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  Speaker 1: on the sideline when the world champion mountaineers scored a
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  Speaker 1: lot of points.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was wasn't our best showing defensively that day, Listen,
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  Speaker 4: I was. I was just happy to be there.
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  Speaker 1: I was.
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  Speaker 4: I was a freshman. I didn't know left from right,
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  Speaker 4: and our coaches were yelling at each other on the
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  Speaker 4: sideline and all kinds of stuff. I'm like, is this
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  Speaker 4: what this is about?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that one changed that. I always tell everybody.
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  Speaker 4: The the funny part is, despite being you know whatever,
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  Speaker 4: the seventy to something, we gave up.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 4: That game changed my life because it brought coach Venables
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  Speaker 4: to Clemson.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Uh, you know the next year, Coach Steele was our
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  Speaker 4: our DC. That that game and coach feels great. But
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  Speaker 4: they brought coach v in the next you know, I
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  Speaker 4: think like two weeks later I came back to work
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  Speaker 4: and he was a Deems coordinator now and obviously that's
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  Speaker 4: kind of led to my career from that point forward,
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  Speaker 4: So I'm appreciative of the beat down, even though you
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  Speaker 4: didn't feel good in the moment.
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  Speaker 1: Well, in all honesty, we always kid around here that
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  Speaker 1: there's always a West Virginia connection. So obviously it had
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  Speaker 1: a huge impact in your life. Because Brett Venables comes in,
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  Speaker 1: you guys hit it off. You're with him for sophomore, junior, senior,
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  Speaker 1: then you become GA and eventually it trickles back that
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  Speaker 1: you guys worked together. In fact, last season he brought
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  Speaker 1: you back to OU. But even before, in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of all that, here comes another West Virginia connection. Terry
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  Speaker 1: Bowden is an intern right at Clemson. Believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: Terry Bowden is an intern at Clemson. Venables tells Terry
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  Speaker 1: that you have got to get Zach because he's a
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  Speaker 1: young and upcome up and coming guy. So when he's
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  Speaker 1: at ULM, you get the call and you become So
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  Speaker 1: there's another West Virginia because Terry obviously grew up in Morgantown.
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  Speaker 1: So it's kind of wild how that. And then Rich
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  Speaker 1: then you just meet Rich and then it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: it's simply amazing.
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  Speaker 2: You were destined to be a West Virginia.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty much what I got from that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, always heaven. I mean you got here so so
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  Speaker 1: this point you're settled in here. You get in here
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  Speaker 1: when there's snow on the ground. Now you're seeing the
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  Speaker 1: trees and the grass and so far, so good. You
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  Speaker 1: enjoyed this.
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  Speaker 4: I've loved it. It's been great to be here, and
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  Speaker 4: I like the people, enjoy the enjoy working for rich
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  Speaker 4: and he's awesome, you know, love the love our our guys,
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  Speaker 4: getting to know them and you know that's obviously how
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  Speaker 4: many new ones with guy, it's a lot. But trying
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  Speaker 4: to get to know and understand those guys really well
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  Speaker 4: and coach them up, it's it's fun. So I've I've
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  Speaker 4: enjoyed the town and I'm I'm engaged. My fiancees here.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy things. She she lived here two years ago. Excuse me,
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  Speaker 4: just on a whim. Everybody's like you actually used to
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  Speaker 4: laugh because used to be like, uh, everyb'd be like,
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  Speaker 4: oh does that coach of West Virginia And she'd be like, no,
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  Speaker 4: no he didn't.
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  Speaker 1: What was she doing here?
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  Speaker 4: So she was part of the ascend program. She's a
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  Speaker 4: remote worker, and uh, she googled places that would pay
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  Speaker 4: me to live there, and uh, there's like there's like
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  Speaker 4: a hundred of them in the country, cities that will
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  Speaker 4: remote workers come work. And she grew up in a
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  Speaker 4: college town out in the state of Washington near Wazoo,
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  Speaker 4: and so she was like, I'm gonna go to Morgantown.
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  Speaker 4: And so what's funny is so she's sitting there, she
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  Speaker 4: calls me and she's like, hey, guess what I'm moving.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, really, and she goes, guess where. Well, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sitting across from rich and one of our jay's ash
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  Speaker 4: there that he's a high school coach in West Virginia
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  Speaker 4: now and what's from here? And all I went West
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  Speaker 4: Virginia And she just froze. How did you know that? Honestly,
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  Speaker 4: just a guess because of who I was sitting in
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  Speaker 4: front of. So she lived here two years ago because
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  Speaker 4: of that. Then we got engaged, moved to Oklahoma, and
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  Speaker 4: now I brought her back.
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  Speaker 1: So I laughed for you.
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  Speaker 4: She knew the city way better than I did when
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  Speaker 4: I got here. She had friends and all kinds of
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  Speaker 4: people from when she was here before. Wow, So small
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  Speaker 4: world for sure.
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  Speaker 1: So is she working remotely from here now? Yeah, she
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  Speaker 1: is awesome. Great, great, that's perfect.
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  Speaker 3: That was that program that Brad Smith at Marshall together,
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  Speaker 3: the Ascent program and yeah that's fantastic. So good. Well,
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  Speaker 3: welcome home to fan and to you.
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  Speaker 1: So what was her like when she when you got here?
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  Speaker 1: Like what what were her rules of engagement to you? Like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what you're going to it's going to be
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  Speaker 1: like this, Like what did she give you the heads
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  Speaker 1: up on? Uh?
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  Speaker 4: She pointed me to a couple of good places to eat.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, same thing, all right?
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  Speaker 4: And uh where to go? She likes shopping at Kroger
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  Speaker 4: versus going up to Jine Eagle all that. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: mean it's like the little the basics, the basics.
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  Speaker 1: Like that, the little stuff.
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  Speaker 4: So yeah, it was it was good. It took me
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  Speaker 4: a minute when I got here to you know that
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  Speaker 4: we're not a grid so orienting around. Yeah, it's definitely
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  Speaker 4: not a grid. Yeah, so she was helping. She helped
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  Speaker 4: me with like oh no, like this house is over
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  Speaker 4: in this area and that's going to be twenty minutes
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  Speaker 4: from the facility, or this one's over here. So she
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  Speaker 4: knew all that a lot better than I did.
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  Speaker 1: How much, if anything, did Rich talk about West Virginia
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  Speaker 1: and the West Virginia guys he had with them? Like,
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  Speaker 1: in other words, when you were there with them, like
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  Speaker 1: did they talk about WUVU or obviously when you're in
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  Speaker 1: the midst of the season, you're thinking about one thing,
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  Speaker 1: But did you have any vibe at all about WUVU
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  Speaker 1: besides obviously.
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  Speaker 4: The Orange Bowl deal a little bit? You know, they
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  Speaker 4: they would talk about it every now and then, tell
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  Speaker 4: us old stories, you know, and laugh about things, but nothing,
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  Speaker 4: nothing in particular per se other than how much all
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  Speaker 4: of them loved being here and enjoyed their time here
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  Speaker 4: when they were here, and you know, I feel that
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  Speaker 4: from them now that we're back. You know, there's that
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  Speaker 4: kind of not just Rich, there's there's multiple guys on
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  Speaker 4: staff who were here before, you know that that loved
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  Speaker 4: it and had a great experience. And so I'd say,
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  Speaker 4: more than anything, it was it was probably that that
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  Speaker 4: we get some good old stories and talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: And obviously I know it was a dream of coach
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  Speaker 4: Rods to come back and get a chance to be
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  Speaker 4: the head coach again. So it's been pretty awesome.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't easy for you, I would think, to make
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  Speaker 1: this move. You're the d C at Oklahoma, and Rich
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  Speaker 1: gives you the call, Why did this move makes sense
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  Speaker 1: for you?
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  Speaker 4: You know it was it was a really really tough decision.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't know until I made the decision. But I've
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  Speaker 4: got a lot of respect for coach Rod and and
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  Speaker 4: I love him to death. And you know, I knew
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  Speaker 4: exactly how it was to be around him, work for
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  Speaker 4: him having me be the head coach because I experienced
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  Speaker 4: it for you know, uh, two years at Jacksonville, and
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  Speaker 4: I believe that West Virginia's a sleeping giant college football.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the support, the people, uh, they love it
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  Speaker 4: and it matters. And it's just because I really felt
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  Speaker 4: like it was just going to be the right guy
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  Speaker 4: I had to come back to get get the energy
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  Speaker 4: and get the people involved. And and we've got all
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  Speaker 4: the tools we need to be successful, you know, and
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  Speaker 4: obviously we're still we got a long way to go.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, I felt that from his first press
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  Speaker 4: conference on that you know, it was a it was
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  Speaker 4: a special place and he was the right type of
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  Speaker 4: dude to to come in here and change things. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited and that's really that excitement, you know, you
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  Speaker 4: know led me to come back and want to work
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  Speaker 4: for him, so.
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  Speaker 3: I could Could it also be that rich might be
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  Speaker 3: a little more interested in the offense then the defense.
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  Speaker 3: Therefore you have more autonomy as the coach of the
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  Speaker 3: defensive side.
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  Speaker 4: I'd say, you know, we've I've been pretty autonomous everywhere
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  Speaker 4: I've been.
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  Speaker 3: Even in Oklahoma was Venerables.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, he had obviously a ton of input,
• 14:17
  Speaker 4: and I welcome that because I mean, he's brilliant, really
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: good at what he does and understands the game and
• 14:24
  Speaker 4: helped make me a better coach, no doubt about it.
• 14:26
  Speaker 4: In the year I was there, I think he was.
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: He taught me a lot, you know that maybe I
• 14:31
  Speaker 4: didn't know when I was eighteen before, and so I'm
• 14:34
  Speaker 4: very appreciative of that. So obviously, you know, Coach V's
• 14:38
  Speaker 4: more hands on the defense than Coach Rod is. But
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: Coach Rodd has opinions about everything. You know, anytime, you know,
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: you obviously whatever head coach you work for, you know
• 14:48
  Speaker 4: you're gonna you're gonna do everything you can to be
• 14:50
  Speaker 4: part of the vision for what they see and what
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: they want within you know, both their side or my
• 14:55
  Speaker 4: side of the ball. However, that looks so obviously there's
• 14:58
  Speaker 4: a little bit less maybe control from Coach Rod and
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: coach v here, but overall, you know, it feels pretty similar.
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: So give us a breakdown overview elevator pitch of what
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: your defense should look like, what you wanted to look like.
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: We heard Rich talk a lot in the spring about
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: having to ask you to dial back some of the
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: blitzers you were bringing because you brought blitzer so often
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: and your multiple. But you give us your elevator pitch
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: of what your defense should look like.
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 15:23
  Speaker 4: Coach Rod always laughs, He's like, installing not blitz today, huh. Like, yeah,
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: we're we're very multiple, very aggressive, you know. I think
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: last couple of years we've been top five in the
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: country and blitz percentage, you know, overall, because I want
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: to create tigers for loss. I want to not guys backwards,
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: want to create sacks. One of the linebackers, Chase Wilson,
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: that came. He's said the other days, like, coach, you'll
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: bring six guys on first and ten. I said, yeah,
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: because second and thirteen it's harder, and second and three,
• 15:49
  Speaker 4: you know, And so for me, we always want to
• 15:52
  Speaker 4: whatever the offense doesn't want to see. I want to
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: be able to do that. You know, whatever they say, oh, man,
• 15:57
  Speaker 4: hey this week, they don't like cover four, swee, they
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: don't like Cover three, they only cover want whatever that
• 16:01
  Speaker 4: is for that weekend and week out game plan. I
• 16:04
  Speaker 4: want to have the diversity to be able to present
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: that to them all the time and make it hard
• 16:09
  Speaker 4: on them to prepare for us.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: But how much of that that you want to do
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: is going to be personnel dependent? Because I would think
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: if you have a guy that can get to the
• 16:18
  Speaker 3: quarterback off the edge, that's a big deal. Or if
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: you trust the d backs to be able to cover,
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: you know, in isolation, would be a big deal. So
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: how much of it is personnel driven?
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: Well, I think I'm always thinking players, not plays. You know.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Part of the reason we're so diverse is we're able
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: to match up the best players and put them in
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: the best positions to be successful. You know, I say,
• 16:42
  Speaker 4: if a guy is not a good man corner guy,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: don't play him in man. You know, if he's not
• 16:46
  Speaker 4: a good blitzer, don't blitz him.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: Like that's kind of the way I think of things
• 16:50
  Speaker 4: is how do we how do we take the eleven
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: guys that are the best players on the defense, put
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: them out there in positions they can be successful, and
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: then the scheme is dictator around on what they do well.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, and so personnel than scheme rather than scheme than personnel.
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and they blur a little bit. I mean, you know,
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: I obviously like, hey, this week, they really suck when
• 17:10
  Speaker 4: we play cover two. So we're gonna get good Cover
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: two this week.
• 17:12
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: But the diversity of how we kind of install it,
• 17:16
  Speaker 4: teach it, do those things allows us to put all
• 17:19
  Speaker 4: of these things in a in a big box and
• 17:21
  Speaker 4: then be able to pull out the specifics we want
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: for the week based on the guys we have, you know,
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: and what we see that week, you know. I mean, shoot,
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: there's you could have a game where you know, you've
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: got a great pass rusher, a great cover guy, and
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: what if he goes down injured. You know, what if
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: something happens and he's not available that week. So you've
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: got to have the diversity and the understanding of the
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: scheme across the board to be able to help guys
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: just step right into new roles and be able to
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: do some of those things as well.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Because Zach, let's dive deep into that. Then are you
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: aggressive by nature? Like even before you met with and
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: got to learn how Brett Vnables defends other teams, Like,
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: were you by nature? Are you aggressive? Oh?
• 18:00
  Speaker 4: Absolutely?
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: One?
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: Two? Is Venables by nature aggressive? Like it's his whole
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: thing to cause chaos? Yes, okay?
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: Hold on, how could he not be with his sideline
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: demetor when especially with the defensive Cordnator? How can you
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: know how you asked that question?
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: Well? Maybe right, maybe I knew the answer. Maybe maybe
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: maybe it was rhetorical, But but there are guy, and
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: so you coach to your personality, right and and over
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: a period of time, like when did you have that moment?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Whether it was at Clemson or where was it? When
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: did you have that moment? Go like when and if
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: I get the chance to run a defense, it is
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: going to be absolute mayhem. That's going to be what
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: I want to be. Did you have that moment?
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah? I think the you know, it really happened at
• 18:44
  Speaker 4: Boise State. Actually I was out there and we were
• 18:46
  Speaker 4: playing BUYU. They're like number nine in the country. Had
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: the Zach Wilson who went in the first round. I
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: mean they were talented that year, and we had we
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: had he'd been sacked like once all season at that point,
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: and we got to him three times in the first half.
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: And we came out in the second half and they
• 19:01
  Speaker 4: made adjustments and started max pro and stuff, you know,
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: just change up how they were run the offense. And
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: I remember about halfway through the second half, as a staff,
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: we're like, man, like, we're out of bullets, right, We've
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: called everything we got. And I remember thinking to myself, like,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: if I ever have had an opportunity to be the guy,
• 19:20
  Speaker 4: I will never say that, you know, like I'm gonna
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: have more bullets. I'm gonna have something else to come
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: at you with that you haven't seen or haven't prepared for,
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: because we have to have answers to their answers all
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: If you had to do it over again and you
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: had all of your bullets now and it's the second
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: half against BYU, what else would you have done?
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: Definitely some overload pressures versus slide protection, because they were
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: doing a lot of that. They were sliding, yeah, seven seven,
• 19:43
  Speaker 4: eight man protection, nine man protection, some two man routes,
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: trying to let guys add on fast and you know,
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: get in positions to maybe beat somebody.
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when you were at Bois, you got the hell
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: knocked out of you by COVID. Did that scare you?
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: It put me in a hospital. So yeah, wasn't great.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I remember, I thank goodness at the time, I I
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: like literally couldn't. I didn't know it so so early
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: when we had it. I'd made steaks that night at
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: the house and I remember thinking, like, these are the
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: worst steaks I've ever cooked. Like I was terrible, but
• 20:14
  Speaker 4: I didn't know, no taste was I was like two
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: weeks in the NBA shut down. Like that's how like
• 20:19
  Speaker 4: I remember COVID right start when the NBA shut down,
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: that was like when we started, and that it was
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: like four or five days after that. Like it wasn't
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: like it was three months later. I mean it was
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: early mid March, and uh yeah, it put me. I
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: had to go to the hospital that night and I
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: was over there. I was in the hospital all night
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: that night, and you know, I was twenty six workout
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: every day that type of thing, and like it put
• 20:41
  Speaker 4: me down hard. So uh yeah, it was. It was
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: pretty scary in the moment.
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, two at Boise, you get shifted to linebackers your
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: second year. There was that a coming out for you
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: in the sense that you went to yourself, I can
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: do this. I got this.
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think Actually so my first year I was
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: inside linebacker. My second year I coached what we call
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: it and it here the outside linebackers out there. But
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing was Coach Harson allowed me to be
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: the best teams coordinator my second season, and that changed
• 21:09
  Speaker 4: my mindset. I think having to call it, you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: in the game, having to prepare as a coordinator and
• 21:14
  Speaker 4: get understanding of like they're scheming you up, how are
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: you going to scheme them up? And vice versa. You know,
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: I think that's really probably what felt like my moment
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: of Okay, like I can do this. You know, I've
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: got a lot of belief in who I am and
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: what we can do. And obviously it worked so that helped,
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: but we were I would say that was probably the
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: role that made me believe like, okay, I can I
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: can run the room, I can run the defense. That
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: type of thing.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, twenty seven years old, you'r DC at ULM right, Yeah,
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: that's pretty that's pretty the youngest defensive coordinator in the country,
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: almost the same age.
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: As some of your players.
• 21:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So at Boise I took the job as the
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: linebackers coach. I think I was twenty four when I
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: took the job. I'm pretty sure twenty four to twenty five,
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: because I didn't turn that next whatever. The next year
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: was the laughter already gotten there, right, And I had
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: a linebacker out there that was had been on a
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: Mormon mission, you know, and he was older than I was.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: So I used to laugh, great player, amazing and listen
• 22:15
  Speaker 4: to coaching phenomenal. Sure, I just laughed because I was like, yeah,
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: I said, I don't know if I'll ever coach a
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: player older than me again at any point in time.
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: But you will coach players who make more money than you,
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: now that's definitely a possibility. So not really but okay,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: all right, well all right, maybe not well maybe one.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Day day, all right.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: Point being, what is your take on the current environment
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: of NIL players making money? How involved are you and
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: how much players make and who gets what I mean?
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: Are you give us your breakdown on that?
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I mean I think that that's really
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: a collaboration between our general manager, coach Rodriguez, our staff
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: as to kind of how we balance the budget across
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: the roster. Would say, you know, we've kind of adopted
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: an NFL model of Okay, here's the percentage NFL pays
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: of their cap to each position, and here's where we're
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: gonna be at, and we're gonna stay at that level
• 23:10
  Speaker 4: for whoever we deem the starter of the backup those things.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: And one thing I love about kind of our system
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: and Coach Rod's system, is we're gonna pay guys that
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: earn it, you know, And so he'll hold back some
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: every year for to give guys who, hey man, maybe
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: you weren't the starter going into fall camp, but now
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: you are, you know, and that deserves a bonus because
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: you've earned the right to do what you do. And
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: you know, Coach Boy talks about having a hard age
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: and earning success and that's part of that model of
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: earned success within you know, the game. And I'm all
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: for the guys being able to make money. I think
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: for a long time, like I didn't realize it until
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: I went to Monroe, because I've been at places like
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: a Clemson, a Boise State where a lot of still mattered. Yeah,
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: football mattered, and they were taking care of the kids
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: and all. And we got to Monroe that first year,
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: and I used to have mandatory eight am linebacker meetings
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: to give them a biscuit and send them to class
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: because they want eating. You know, they didn't have meal
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: plans and after rent or whatever, I mean, they were
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: literally just weren't eating. And so I'd have them come
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: in and here's chick flay on Monday, it was I
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: think Hardy's on Tuesday and McDonald's on Wednesday, you know,
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: and just give them something to eat. And we did
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Pizza night on Wednesday night, you know, and so my
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: staff would kind of would contribute to that and bringing
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: food in for the guys just because they didn't have it.
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: And I remember thinking that moment like this is messed up,
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: Like this isn't night, you know. And so I'm all
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: for the guys' ability to make money and leverage, you know,
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: their abilities, you know. On the flip side of that,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: like we all say, it's a business now more than
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: never has been. And it's tough.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: You look at when some of the guys left us
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: after spring ball and all, I mean I cried in
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: a couple of those meetings. I mean, we've got walk
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: on guys who've given everything they have to the game
• 24:48
  Speaker 4: and they love it and they're here because they love it,
• 24:50
  Speaker 4: you know, no other reason. But man, they love football,
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: they love West Virginia. They want to be here, and
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: you know, you have to tell them, Hey, man, I'm sorry.
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: It's nothing you did wrong. You did nothing wrong, but
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: they've cut the roster down. Or I used to have
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: ten linebackers, I got seven, you know, and so unfortunately
• 25:06
  Speaker 4: there's just not a spot for you. And that that
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: part sucked. That was tough, and so the business side
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: of it isn't necessarily as fun as maybe it used
• 25:15
  Speaker 4: to be from a relational standpoint. But I'm happy the
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: guys have an opportunity.
• 25:21
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• 25:29
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So the nil and the payments is just part
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: of the new world. We're in player movements the other
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: part of that. And you guys have certainly experienced this
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: with the roster turnover. You walked out of spring practice
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: saying what your defense as you tried to integrate all
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: these new parts.
• 27:02
  Speaker 4: We got a lot of work to do. You know,
• 27:04
  Speaker 4: I think that's the the year one anywhere is hard.
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: I don't care where it is and what happens. You know,
• 27:11
  Speaker 4: you're guys adjusting to you. They're learning the scheme, they're
• 27:13
  Speaker 4: learning the culture. You know, guys who may have been
• 27:16
  Speaker 4: remaining from the previous team, how we do things is
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: not the same. You know, it's different, and they have
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: to understand that and learn that and then developing leadership
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: within the program. Obviously, you don't have a guy that's
• 27:27
  Speaker 4: been a cute up guy for three years in the
• 27:29
  Speaker 4: pipeline that you know, your next captain. That's not really
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: realistic to a year one, you know kind of turnover
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: like we've had. And so, uh, it's been it's been
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: a challenge. I think we've got a lot of work
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: to do, but obviously I feel really good about where
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: we're at and the improvement we're gonna make.
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: What part of it surprised you, be it a position,
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: group or individual, what jumped to you that you said, Okay,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: that's maybe not what I thought we had, but we're
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: pretty solid there.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think the D line really is
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: maybe better than whatever perception says. Everybody tells me that
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: how bad we're going to be, we're gonna suck and
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: all that, and I've said I've been told that my
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: whole life, so that doesn't really bother me. But the
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: the D line, you know, we retained a lot of
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: really good players, and you know they at times last
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: year maybe per circumstances of the game, you know, game
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: got out of hand, weren't in great situations to make play.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: Some of those things happen, and so I think that
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: we'll be pleasantly surprised with the guys who've got down there.
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: What was your year like with the Carolina Panthers.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: So I was there for I was only there for
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: a couple of months. I was actually there in spring,
• 28:31
  Speaker 4: so I went through OTAs, went through mini camp with them.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I was hoping to get hired, and they wouldn't open
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: a spot because in the NFL, the under decides either
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: either he makes a position or he doesn't make a position.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: So I went back to Clemson for my last year
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: in eighteen. But the time there was amazing. I Coach Rivera,
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: who I'm still very close with now. He hired me
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: out there as an intern, you know kind of you're
• 28:54
  Speaker 4: you're basically a GA in the NFL. That's what the
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: interns are.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You're a GA.
• 28:57
  Speaker 4: And so I went there to be a g A
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: and I think I drew the whole playbook for twenty seventeen.
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: So that's good. On on visio there that week, but
• 29:06
  Speaker 4: I was fortunate to be in a linebacker room with
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Luke Keikley, Thomas Davis, Shaq Thompson, David Mayo, Julis Peppers
• 29:12
  Speaker 4: was still there. I mean, we had some we had
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: some dudes, some Hall of famers, Luke and TD probably
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: first ballot guys. And so I learned a lot, particularly
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: from from watching how those guys do what they do.
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: You know, and what do you mean, what do you
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: mean do what they do?
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so you know just how to be You don't
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: luck up and be in the NFL for seventeen years.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: You know, that's not like a oh man, that was cool. No,
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a process how you do anything. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: Thomas Davis that year uh in OTAs filled a five
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: subject notebook worth of notes. May have been in the
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: NFL for fourteen years. At that point, I said, you
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: don't think he knows how to play Tampa and cover
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: three to every play he can possibly get. But it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: the little habits that the elite guys like that do
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: that lead them to be successful over time, you know.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: And Luke's the same way. That dude watches more film
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: than anybody than I've ever seen in my life. And
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: then he could they pop, the film would pop on
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: and I'm trying to read the call, and he's already
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: making the call, you know, those right over the left.
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: You know, he's already saying it and getting guys lined
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: up before I'm even have read it on the screen,
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: you know. So being around just anyone at an elite level,
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: that's a hall of fame type of guy at that position,
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: particularly when I coach, just helps you teach the younger guys. Hey,
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: this is you want to go be Luke Eagley?
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Just how do it?
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: You know? And that helps you.
• 30:34
  Speaker 3: You have the profiles of you that I've read. You
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: have a reputation of this rising star and coaching, probably
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: because of your youth, your success being at Oklahoma now
• 30:45
  Speaker 3: being defensive coordinator here? Are you comfortable with that? Do
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: you see yourself as on ascension?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: I think I probably the opposite. I'm probably harder in
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: myself than anybody else. And I tell everybody I will
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: find a reason to hate the opponent that week, and
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: maybe I hate myself every day so I can get
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: after somebody, somebody out of practice, you know. So, I
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: guess I don't see it necessarily is more as much
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: of a big picture thing for me. It's, man, how
• 31:10
  Speaker 4: do we how to have a great defense this year?
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: How do we like we've got you know on field
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: drills later today?
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: How do we make sure that's right.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: And ready to go.
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: And uh, if the process is right and you enjoy
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: the journey, I think that those things will all lead
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: to themselves without having to focus on any of that.
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Zach, you mentioned OTAs, which is what the NFL has
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: and now college has. What did you learn if anything there?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: Because I would think now more so than ever before,
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: these OTAs are absolutely gold because you've got all these
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: new faces and you can expedite the process of getting
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: your guys ready. How much can you get done right now?
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: June July A ton You know, I challenge our guys
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: yesterday that and when they're not in the required hours
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: of being up here to be around you know, if
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: you want to be the best, you can't get it
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: done in a timeframe. We're restricted. And so on top
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: of the ability to meet with them now be on
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: the field with them like we used to not be
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: able to obviously in today's world. Where how many guys
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: we have new from the team in the spring, But
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: I'm sure it's more than thirty it is. You know,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: We've we've got a lot of teaching, a lot of
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: development to do throughout the summer, and we're counting on everybody.
• 32:21
  Speaker 4: I tell everybody, anybody come into red shirt anymore. That's
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: not a thing, you know. And so everyone's got to
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: be ready to play, ready to contribute in some way somehow.
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: And uh though, the ability to meet and get on
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: the field with them in the summer obviously really helps,
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: particularly the new guys learn and grow and develop getting
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: ready for fall camp.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: So last year Rich had sixty ish guys at jack
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: State and he got them together. Obviously, they stumbled those
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: first three games, and then he brought them together. And
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: you know this, in the old days, your rise freshman, sophomore, juniors,
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: and those guys would all become that in their next
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: turn to lead. How do you build together a bonded
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: team cadustry in such a short period of time.
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: You know, I think you The first thing is we
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: try and get the right guys. We do a lot
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: of evaluation as far as not only the ability of
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: guys we bring in, whether it's out of high school
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: or the portal, but also who are they. You know,
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: it's it's hard to play college football. I think sometimes
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: people miss that. You know, it's it is tough, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: I'm always looking for guys that fit the mole we're
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: looking for, which is they want to be challenged, They
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: want to be held to a insanely high standard every
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: single day.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: How do they convince you of that? In other words,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: jasper over there, like if he's sat down and you're
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: recruiting him, how do you find out if he has
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: the balls that it takes to play it at this level?
• 33:45
  Speaker 3: Or as Rich would say, put their face in the fin.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think two things. You know. The
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: number one is you can see it on film. A
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: lot of times does a guy play I like to watch,
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: you know, if we watch a transfer portal guy, you
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: can watch his highlights, or you can go watch him
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: playing in an entire game. And you go watch him
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: play an entire game, and you realize a guy like
• 34:06
  Speaker 4: Fred Perry, who came from with Jacksonville State, every single
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: play he is as everything he's got on every play
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: is going to come out of him. If the ball
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: goes over there, somehow, some way he's gonna make that
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: tackle twenty five yards on the field, or he believes
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: he is. And so you can see it on film.
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: For a lot of guys like that just watching the tape.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: And then as you bring them in not only do
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: we do background, I call anybody and everybody I know
• 34:31
  Speaker 4: that touches them that I can get in touch with.
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: Sometimes easier in high school than college because the high
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: school guys have such a different relationship connection and you know,
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: sometimes listen, sometimes I'm better too. You guys leave and
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: you're like, ah, you know, so like you know, they
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: they they don't always give you the best maybe indication
• 34:48
  Speaker 4: of a guy, but when you get him in the room,
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: you can, you can talk to him and I kind
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: of lay out the the vision for who we want
• 34:56
  Speaker 4: to be and what we're going to be both you know,
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: as a team. And then and I want to see
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: how they react to that. You know, I tell every
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: I try and talk everybody out of committing. I'm like, listen,
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: you us how hard it's going to be, Like, you know,
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: how high of a standard I hold our players to,
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: how high of a standard Coach Rod expects from you.
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: And so a lot of times I'm very aggressive in
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: uh in that meeting as well, because I want to
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: see how they respond. You know, do they like when
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: we were going to watch workouts, do they want to
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: get in there? You know, when we're on a recruiting
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: trip and they see the players working out, But I
• 35:29
  Speaker 4: want to do that coach, you know, like hey, let
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: me step over there, like you know those type of
• 35:32
  Speaker 4: things where you can kind of tell, all right, does
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: this dude have you know, that fire in them to
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: be a guy that's going to want to come in
• 35:40
  Speaker 4: and freaking dominate or is he going to be just well,
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: I'm okay with being average.
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: Dogs, right, I mean you're looking for dogs. Yeah, he's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: in a dog hunting contest, is what he's trying to do.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: He's trying to find dog dog catching. We don't want
• 35:51
  Speaker 4: to kill.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: Him dog yeah. Dog catching yeah, dog catching.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: So if effort and that mental side is number one,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: what's the most important physical attribute other than size?
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: Probably speed? I would say, you know, like I can do.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: You know, Coach Joseph's amazing this job, but it's hard
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: to take a four to nine to before to four.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: It doesn't really happen. I've been trying my whole life.
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: It's the same for me either. And so I think
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: you know, one thing we always look for is man
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: kind a guy run the old days where you know,
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: I was laughing, like where you could be a two
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: hundred and eighty pound mike linebacker and fit a gap
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: to a gap like that's not a thing anymore. They're
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: gonna put everybody on the field in space all the time,
• 36:28
  Speaker 4: even the d lineman. You'll find ways to divide them
• 36:31
  Speaker 4: and make them make tackle the quarterback tackle to dive,
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: do both things. So we need guys that can can
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: athletically change direction and run in a way that they
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: have a chance to be successful.
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: What is your approach coaching individuals on the field? On
• 36:46
  Speaker 3: the practice field, you know, Rich is pretty intense.
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: Nah, come on, wow.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: Rich is pretty intense.
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: And I don't usually hear him out of practice. Actually
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. He's there very unassuming, so he'll get
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: after him.
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: Are you in your face? Guy? Are you a intellectually
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: explained to the guy? I mean, what is your approach
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: or does it depend on the player?
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: And well, well, I think, first off, I think coach
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: ryd likes me because of how I coach, So you
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: can imagine how that is. All right, I will I'm
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I'll run up. I'll somebody messes up in the middle
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: of the play, Like, I'll run out on the field
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: and get in their face and get them right and
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: as I'm running back, I'm throwing the signal up as
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: we're going back to the sideline and and kind of
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: moving from there. So I'm definitely, I'm definitely an high energy,
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: in your face, gonna coach you hard, coach you the
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: way I want. And I'm a big believer that you
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: should be who you are when you coach. I'm like
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: that in a lot of areas of my life. You know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: you asked earlier. I'm an aggressive natured person, and so
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: i'm I'm.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: You seem like a nice guy.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he can choose your moments.
• 37:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, yeah, you can do both.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: Both things can be true.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, both things can be true. You can be absolutely
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Danny mosesmy to an award enter
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: here at center played for rich I mean he's nice
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: off the field. Zach Frazier now with the Steelers, he
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: was nice, but he goes very nice until when they
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: go they go, do.
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: You need your own get back coach though?
• 38:14
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm bad. I'm out passive. I'm out passive.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: Numbers don't where I'll blame everybody else so I can
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: get back.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and the players.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: You know, you're a young guy, but there's a lot
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: of talking about coaches have been around for a while,
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: the players are different. They say that you can't get
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: after him the way you used to, And maybe some
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: of that's good. You know, you don't want to be
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: grabbing a face mask and stuff like that. So are
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: players responding to that?
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: I think so, I don't. I don't think that, you know.
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: I would argue that I'm pretty close to their generation.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: And my dad was hard on me and in a
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: lot of good ways, you know, and my coaches were
• 38:52
  Speaker 4: as well. And I think that our players respect if
• 38:55
  Speaker 4: we tell them the truth, you know. And and at
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: least the guys I want to coach, which I want
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: to be on the team. I want guys that want
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: to be coached.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of places out there that maybe you know, hey,
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: well we don't want to coach him hard because he
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: might leave, he might do this, that and the other.
• 39:11
  Speaker 4: Well it's probably not the right guy. I know. We
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: went down. I think it was Kalais Campbell, who's still
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: playing for the for the Ravens like you're nineteen or
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: something as a d lineman, and he got mad at
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: the coach at practice because he wasn't coaching him hard
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: enough really, and you think, oh, well, yeah, he's gifted,
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: he's big, he's six seven, six eight, whatever it is.
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: But he's been in the NFL for nineteen years and
• 39:34
  Speaker 4: why because he wants to be coached. And I think
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: that that's the the guys at the end of the day,
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: they want to get better, they want to do more.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: I'd say the difference now maybe than before is before
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: you say run through the wall, they're like, yes, sir.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: Now it's like, hey, I wanted to run through the wall.
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: They're like, why am I run.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Through the wall.
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: As long as you've got a good why, they'll they'll
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: back up whatever you got.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: This interesting interesting.
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: Jim Crutchfield is an ultra successful Division two back ball coach,
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: just won the National championship West Virginia guy, and we
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: asked him, like, okay, how he plays absolutely five in
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: five out chaotic presses the whole game. And he says,
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: the first thing we have to do is to try
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to convince players who think they're playing as hard as
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: they can that they actually have a whole different level
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: of how hard they can play. But they don't really
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: realize it. In essence, isn't that What you're trying to
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: do is take them to a part in place that
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: they didn't even.
• 40:30
  Speaker 4: Know they had absolutely, you know, I think that's the
• 40:33
  Speaker 4: that's the mindset. You know, we're always trying to be
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: you know, talking about having a hard edge and I
• 40:38
  Speaker 4: talk on defense kind of our wards relentless, you know,
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: we want to play relentlessly and make people feel like
• 40:45
  Speaker 4: there's thirteen fourteen, fifteen guys in the field, like, where
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: did that guy come from? I didn't even see him,
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: you know. And that is a mindset.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: And how do you get the how do you get
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: them to that? How do you get them to a
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: point where they think, hey, coach, I'm maxed out here?
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: How do you get it to the next point?
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I think that you challenge them every single day. You know,
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: if it's the most important rep of my life in
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: this moment on Monday practice, it's the most important rep
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: of their life. If they know that the way I'm
• 41:11
  Speaker 4: going to coach them right now on you know, the
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: third period in the middle of June is the same
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: as it's going to be when the game's on the
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: line versus pit like, then they respond well to that.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: They understand that the level, the intensity, how they have
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: to be. And so when they when they get tired
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: or they think that, you know, they can't give any more. Well,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: the standard doesn't change. And we played with standard all
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: the time. And I'm trying to get those guys to
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: understand that, hey, if it's up here, it's always up here.
• 41:38
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter where you're going to be. Uh, And
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: so sometimes it takes a little longer. You know, certain guys,
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: they they get it pretty quick and it comes to
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: them naturally, that's just who they are. Other guys, you
• 41:48
  Speaker 4: got to push them, you know, and and you try
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: and both reward them when they see it, and you know,
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: get on them when they don't do it. You know,
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: because I know what it's supposed to look like, and
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: this is what we're going to be every single time
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: we take the field. And if you're not going to
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: play or willing to play that standard, you know something
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: has to give.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: You have multiple national champions you have rings from Clemson.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: What did those teams let's just talk about their defense.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: What did those national championship defenses have that separated them
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: and made them the best?
• 42:23
  Speaker 4: I think mindset and work ethic, you know. I remember
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: it was twenty eighteen things, a second NASH championship year.
• 42:31
  Speaker 4: We were Clemson, and we came off the field and
• 42:35
  Speaker 4: Christian Wilkins, who's playing in the league still has signed
• 42:37
  Speaker 4: a big contract for like another five years for Mayell
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: or something like that. He got the D line and
• 42:43
  Speaker 4: they got in the weight room right after practice and
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: they just started doing some extra shoulder work, rehab prehab stuff.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: And then the second week it was Christian Wilkins and
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: the D line and a couple of linebackers, and the
• 42:56
  Speaker 4: third week the receivers were in there, and the fourth
• 42:58
  Speaker 4: week Trevor Lawrence was in there, and and it just
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: built and you could feel this snowball effect of Okay,
• 43:05
  Speaker 4: we're going to be pretty good.
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: You want to go, we'll go, let's go.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: And so it was a contagious kind of mindset of
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: it's a little thing, but it just shows who we
• 43:14
  Speaker 4: are that when when the work's done, we're not finished.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Are you hoping Fred Perry is that guy? Can he
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: be that guy that goes in there and says, let's go.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: I think he's one of them, you know, I think
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: we've got to I always encourage that we have to
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: have at least one at every position. You know, if
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: you want to be great, you got to have there's
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: got at least gotta be one leader at every spot.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: And then one guy that's dominant overall, you know, that's
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: not afraid to maybe make somebody upset, that's not looking
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: to be friends with everybody the whole time. You know,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: he's got to be. I say, leadership is lonely, you know,
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: and so you got to be a shirt. Yeah that's a.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Good T shirt.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Do you have that? Do you have that yet?
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: We're working on if you have that. I think we've
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: got a few guys who have that potential. And I've
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: always thought that's forged in the summer. You know, we've
• 43:58
  Speaker 4: only been back for six days or whatever. It is,
• 44:00
  Speaker 4: so little time left. But we're going to try and
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: help the guys that we feel like can be those
• 44:06
  Speaker 4: those type of dudes that provide leadership particularly and we
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: aren't there. You always say, man, when when when I'm
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: on the field, my job is to be the leader.
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: That's that's why I'm paid for, you know. But when
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: I'm not there, I need those guys to be able
• 44:20
  Speaker 4: to rally the troops and get guys through whatever is
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: going on.
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: You said you want to help them. So is that
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: do you just see that emerge on the practice field
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: or is that a one on one you have with
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: a guy who maybe could be that guy and you
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: explain to him how he can be that guy? Do
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: you coach him that way? If you have a guy
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: that could be a leader.
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, I'll call him over and did this Thursday,
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I think it was whatever was last weekend to last
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: week and I, man, I got higher expectations for how
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: you're going to do what we do. I just gave
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: a whole speech about some extra work, doing this, that and
• 44:56
  Speaker 4: the other, and everybody walked out the field and like,
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I thought you guys were in charge. You know what
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: happened to that?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: And so we try and inspire and challenge and then
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: present situations and help coach them through like here's how
• 45:11
  Speaker 4: being the leader I want looks not just go do it,
• 45:14
  Speaker 4: you know, okay, here, all right, do this, do this,
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: do this, do this, and then bring these guys with you,
• 45:20
  Speaker 4: you know whatever that is trying to create that environment
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: where you know, we elevate those guys in the right
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: ways and provide opportunities for them to lead that maybe
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: I set up some uh, you know, for for them
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: to have that opportunity, and then that once they're more
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: accustomed to it, that naturally occurs throughout the throughout the
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: process of the day.
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: You sound like you really have have it together as
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: to what you want to do, very very specific. Where
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: did that come from? Did that come from a specific
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: individual that you worked with, or is that an evolution?
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: That's a great question.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: He's been around a long time. He gets paid a lot,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: and they for asking those questions.
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: I've been around a lot of great coaches, amazing coaches
• 46:05
  Speaker 4: that have taught me kind of molded me into being
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: who I am. You know, I like to think that
• 46:11
  Speaker 4: I'm I'm not one particular coach here there that I've
• 46:13
  Speaker 4: worked for. I'm a combination of all of them. I
• 46:17
  Speaker 4: try and take the best parts of everyone I'm around
• 46:19
  Speaker 4: and emulate the things that you wanted that made them
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: successful or made them impressive, or changed lives those type
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: of things. And then some of it's probably come from,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: you know, myself upbringing, my parents as well, and it
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: all kind of blends together to to create the vision
• 46:36
  Speaker 4: I have for what we can be and how I
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: want to act.
• 46:39
  Speaker 3: You said your dad was hard on you.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: He was in a great way still is probably you know,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: he's he's my father, want to ask. Championship Clemson back
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: in the eighties, So I was involved in people Danny
• 46:51
  Speaker 4: Ford for Danny had played for coach Ford and g
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: eight afterward for the a D. So we've been around
• 46:56
  Speaker 4: sports my whole life, you know. That's all I knew
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: was growing up going to Clemson game. And I don't
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: know when, you know, sometime early on playing n Cuba
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: video games when I was like twelve, I thought, man,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: this'd be cool to do this, you know, And so
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: the the opportunity, I guess, my dad would put us
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: in all the sports. He'd have us out there throwing
• 47:16
  Speaker 4: the ball in the yard, and you know, he was
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: loving but challenging and wanted to make us the best
• 47:22
  Speaker 4: version of ourselves. And then my mom is just her
• 47:25
  Speaker 4: work ethic is relentless. I mean it is all the time.
• 47:28
  Speaker 4: She goes, goes, goes, doesn't know how to stop. And
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: I definitely I definitely got that from her. She she
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: she can do more than an hour, and I could
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: do in fifteen minutes. By by a long shot. So uh,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: it's it's probably some combination of both the coaches I've
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: worked for and and my parents upbringing as well.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: You know, I was thinking when you were at Ulm,
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: think about this. You got Terry Buden and you got rich.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, those guys could write books just about the
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: whole business, like Terry's whole deal at Auburn, like the
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: unbelief run and then the craziness that happened there. He
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: gets blown up you just because you saw the bad
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: part of the business there, boosters and all that stuff,
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: and then he circles back around like here's rich and
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: everything that he had done. I mean, that's like a
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: Petri dish of of learning of all of those guys
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and Venables and Dabbo. It's like, that's good stuff. I mean,
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: you got you got, you got injected by a lot
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: of different things there.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: I'm very fortunate to work for a lot of really
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: good people.
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's it's kind of amazing. Three guys before
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: the game I brought to us by Goman. Let me
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: ask you this. You like Jolly Ranchers. Oh yeah, you
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: like Twizzlers, lot Twister guy?
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: Really licoric in general.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: That's fine, well, here's here's the deal right now. You
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: can get a dollar off when you buy Jolly Ranchers
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: or Twizzlers at Gomar. Did you know that Brad did
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: because you got the app? Yeah?
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I got the app?
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: Okay there a couple of times a week.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well how about this deal? Dollar off any two
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: King size Hershey's candies, I fucking kickcat pay day Hershey's
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: or receps. How about it. It's hydration season, dollar off
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: two deer Deer Park waters, that's all good stuff. Snapple
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: dollar off to thirty two ouncers. Hop of you with me?
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I'm with you?
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Get a dog one Go Mart app and just money
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: falls out of your pocket. I mean just like you're
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: just picking money apps. I was like, what is money?
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: You rewards points and you save on gas as well.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Deals with Snickers and M and M's out there too.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: What's the deal there?
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: Well, you got to go in and do them. Marty
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Summer Days is their big promotion that's coming, So only
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: and click on that.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Get in there, get some.
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: Marty's gopher is a gopher, the Go mart Gopher, that'd
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: be Martin Marty, Marty M A R T Y. I
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: don't know where he's at.
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: I mean exactly like Eminem's peanut butter oh.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Off the board.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, reached peanut bur c cups.
• 49:50
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, see we like Zach that.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: Can come back.
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: Anytime you you line up for a meal, you get
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: to pick whatever you alluded to a stake earlier. Is
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: that your number one is? Like?
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Probably that? Or sushi? A big sushi, lovely. I could
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: eat so much sushi, I'd like passed out.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: What's your sushi order?
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Oh, the crazier it sounds, the better it sounds. Oh yeah,
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: like spicy? Uh, just anything I do like spicy? Yeah,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: so you know if it's got eel and tuna and
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: crab and sparaga, all the things in there like that
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: sounds like the more you put in there that the
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: more I'm probably.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: Gonna Would you would you eat gas station sushi? Sushi?
• 50:28
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know, it depends what gas station was.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: He'll put put the chin strap on.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And what's on first down, He's gonna eat sushi and
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: a gas from Go.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Go mark a little sushi.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: Hey, Brent Venables said, I just loved you up man.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: He said a lot of good things about you on
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: how you coached how you work with others on the staff.
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: It's kind of so was he hurt when you left?
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: I can't speak to that, you know, I don't know.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: He was.
• 51:02
  Speaker 4: I'm sure he was disappointed, you know. And uh, but
• 51:07
  Speaker 4: I love him to death, I really do. I mean,
• 51:09
  Speaker 4: I would do anything for.
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: What's what's his nature that causes you to He's.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Just uh, he's very genuine. He's always true to me,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: really really well. I gave me every opportunity I've had
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: in this game. At the end of the day, you know,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: he he taught me, gave me the foundation for for
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: who I am. It's the guy I wanted to emulate,
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: you know, through throughout my years. And you know, I
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: think the world of them still do you know, nothing
• 51:33
  Speaker 4: changed from from coming to to work here versus working there.
• 51:36
  Speaker 4: And I wish them from Mendos success. You know, I
• 51:39
  Speaker 4: told everybody that I have no ill will there at all.
• 51:42
  Speaker 4: I I love everybody on that staff and a lot
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: of them I've worked with multiple places, and I want
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: them to be successful.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: You mentioned Mike Joseph, and Mike Joseph gets a lot
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: of love no matter who has come through. They say
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: that dude is among the best, if not the best.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: What's he got? What's his little magic bullet that you're
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: seeing down there in that weight room.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, this is crazy. I knew who Mike
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: Joe was before I got here. I knew. You know,
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: you just have the here's your top string coaches in
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: the country, you know, kind of those guys in your mind,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: and he's one of those guys. As soon as I
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: heard when we were coming that that's who the strength
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: coach had been, I was like, Okay, I'm sure he'll
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: be here for the long haul. And he's just the
• 52:23
  Speaker 4: same kind of mindset I would say that I have.
• 52:26
  Speaker 4: Coach Rod has the standard of how we're going to
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: play and what we're going to do. Mike is as
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: consistent as anybody. You know, the demand is high, the
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: training is obviously elite, you know, and the way he
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: prepares the program prepares the guys, but the way he
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: creates the mindset of the team and the toughness of
• 52:44
  Speaker 4: grit that's going to take to be successful. Yeah, he's
• 52:47
  Speaker 4: really good at that.
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he he is. He's just classic. He's same County obviously,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: the riches from Marion count has got that hard edge. No,
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: he was a hell of a player too, in the
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: hell of a wrestler A hard nos hard knows, dude.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: Clemson South Carolina was the big annual rivalry. How much
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: you know about West Virginia Pitt.
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: Not a ton actually, so I'm learning now that I've
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: gotten here. Yeah, obviously it's a it's a big deal.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: I know that all my friends want to come to
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: that game, so I gotta get about twenty five tickets.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: It'll be it'll be a deal, make that one happens.
• 53:20
  Speaker 4: So obviously excited to be a part of it. And
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: I know it's a storied rivalry, and obviously there's a
• 53:25
  Speaker 4: lot of and in a lot of good ways bad
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: blood sure between the two programs.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's I mean, it's everything. It's everything that
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: you want.
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: And don't worry about that game coming up. Nobody will
• 53:35
  Speaker 3: care what happens.
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: I'll come of that game. I've heard that.
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: The fact that the fact that the impression of the
• 53:41
  Speaker 3: new administration rests entirely on that game, don't let that
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: bother you. One.
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is. Yeah, I mean, I think
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: the thing about these guys is like Rich, like Rich
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: talks about it openly like, let's go, let's bring it. Yeah,
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: I've got I'm not running away from anything. It'll be
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: uh obviously, as you well know. Man, you look at
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: that schedule and I mean Robert Morris to Ohio University,
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I mean it ladders up and it's like sets it
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: up really nice, and just hope that you know by
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: that time everything's cooking.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: So, uh, who's the starting quarterback?
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: Your guess as good as mine. This is so funny
• 54:18
  Speaker 4: you talk about how like different we are. Right in
• 54:21
  Speaker 4: a game, I'll finish the game and my fiance, my
• 54:25
  Speaker 4: friend's parents, everybody like, oh my god, it's the offense
• 54:28
  Speaker 4: of this and that and the other. And I'm like,
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: I have no idea. I am over here on the
• 54:31
  Speaker 4: sideline with the iPad and until they yell punt team,
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: I am given everything I got to this moment to
• 54:38
  Speaker 4: get whatever was fixed from that series in this particular
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: time and practice is the same way. I couldn't tell
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: you the numbers of our quarterbacks. Really, I have no idea.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: Do you have it when you have the ability? Because
• 54:48
  Speaker 3: you know Rich wants to go fast? Do you have
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: the ability at some point in the game, say coach
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: coach Rode we need to breather here, like run some clock,
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: will you?
• 54:57
  Speaker 4: As long as they're scoring, I like it. So we
• 55:00
  Speaker 4: looked up I think we played La Tech two years
• 55:03
  Speaker 4: ago down there, and I looked up in the first
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: quarter and they were like six minutes and thirty sexons
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: off in the first quarter, and we were up thirty
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: five nothing, and we'd held them to like four straight
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: three and outs and they had scored in less than
• 55:14
  Speaker 4: two plays on like four consecutive series. And I was like,
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: holy cow, we got I'm like, we had like another
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: three hours of this game. I'm like, this is crazy.
• 55:23
  Speaker 4: And so you know, I'm I'm a big fan of
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: the tempo. I think that, you know, sometimes defenses, I
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: think a lot of times you judge, okay, total defense
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: that and the other. Well, obviously I'll say this, we'll
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: give up maybe more yards than a team that than
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Iowa who's going to huddle in Staton ball one second
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: every time, because we can be on a field more
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: so by default, more opportunities equals It's like, hey, you
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: shoot three times for three or you shoot twenty times
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: for three, you got a better chance of scoring it
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: three times. And so for us, you know, I always
• 55:51
  Speaker 4: look at man per possession, how are we doing defensively?
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: You know, how are we holding up from a all right, hey,
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: if we're out there for fifteen possessions and we hold
• 55:59
  Speaker 4: them to two hundred fift yards offense, and they were
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: out there for eight possessions of helm tw hundred five
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: yards offense, well we're winning in that category. So, uh,
• 56:08
  Speaker 4: it never bothers me. The tempo, the way they play,
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: and you know there have been a lot of clutch
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: moments because of.
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: That, right, So you kind of just answered it right there.
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: But statistically, what do you go If you mentioned blitz
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: rate earlier, so you know what that is. What's your
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: go to stat to make sure you're where you.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: Want to be?
• 56:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you know, points points of possession. That's
• 56:26
  Speaker 4: if you want a true metric of the great defenses
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: in college, that's probably number one as far as just holistically,
• 56:33
  Speaker 4: you know, if you if you've got a great offense
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: that stays on the field and does all that, and
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: you you know, you only got to traditionally, like the
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: why the Service academies are always pretty good on defense,
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: Well they play they play seventy five to one hundred
• 56:45
  Speaker 4: less posessions than I do in a year, you know,
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: So it's just chances of the chances of scoring goes
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: down because you're not out there.
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: What Rich does, Let's walk you through. So let's just
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: say you're getting ready to play Rich. You know what
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: hit The method of his madness is he wants to
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: go really fast. He wants to wear defenses down. He's
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: pushing it like a damn. He's just gonna keep pushing
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: and pushing and pushing. At some point he's hoping third quarter,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: fourth quarter, that the whole thing just comes tumbling down.
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: So just from that standpoint, what challenges does Rich put
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: on opposing defensive coordinators?
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I think the the play design, he
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: is an amazing understanding of the game. I mean he's
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: been calling it now for I don't know, forty years
• 57:29
  Speaker 4: something like that, you know, somewhere somewhere in that range. So, uh,
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: there's nothing he hasn't seen as far as defensive schemes
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: against him. So you know, always tell our defense like
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: and hey, listen, if he checks the sideline and we
• 57:41
  Speaker 4: show him what we're in and we don't check, we're screwed.
• 57:44
  Speaker 4: Like he's gonna be one hundred percent of one hundred times,
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: you know. So I think that the experience and the
• 57:49
  Speaker 4: knowledge is very difficult to prepare for as a play
• 57:54
  Speaker 4: caller against them. And then you know, schematically, they're gonna
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: make it eleven on eleven. You know, he's gonna make
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: you tackled a quarterback. He's going to find ways to
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: to you know, make that guy a threat, which some
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: offices don't do.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Which is I like, right, that's still eleven against ten.
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly. That makes it easier. So I think that's
• 58:11
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  Speaker 2: Breaking you get some nice Jordan's on your shoot guy.
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  Speaker 4: Or no, I am a shoe guy. Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: Oh really? How many pair? How many pair?
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  Speaker 4: Now coohol more than more shoes than my fiance has.
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  Speaker 4: I'll say that, so it's in there, but I would
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  Speaker 4: I don't know total number of total number of Jordan's
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  Speaker 4: fifteen to twenty. Probably favorite pair, oh style? Right, all right,
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  Speaker 4: here you go, favorite number twelve. Yeah, I know it's
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  Speaker 4: a little different sometimes, like the twelves. I like wearing
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  Speaker 4: the ones and the fours.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you see he got ones on today, Tony
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  Speaker 2: for he's got the ones on over here.
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  Speaker 1: Spend any time with the Ren Baker. I've been around
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  Speaker 1: him a few times about his you know about his
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  Speaker 1: shoe select.
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  Speaker 4: I noticed when he came in last time. I actually
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  Speaker 4: mentioned it to him.
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  Speaker 1: Over one hundred and fifty pair. Wow. Yeah, when did
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  Speaker 1: that start, Wren? No?
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  Speaker 2: I mean decades ago?
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  Speaker 1: Really? Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Now they're more readily available now. It's these are ones.
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  Speaker 4: These are force.
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  Speaker 2: So he's got the force the ones.
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  Speaker 3: See, I don't even know what any of that is.
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  Speaker 1: There's a whole new world for you now that your
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  Speaker 4: Now get you a pair, would Yeah yeah, you said
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  Speaker 4: you can wear the suits.
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  Speaker 1: Now you can do it like, oh yeah, ren revolutionize.
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  Speaker 3: George.
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  Speaker 4: They've been doing good, you know, I think, Uh, I'm
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  Speaker 1: He has literally has Oh yeah, he literally has.
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  Speaker 1: These are good. These are good colors. By the way,
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  Speaker 1: and with all due respect to your Alma motto, that's
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  Speaker 1: a sharp orange that doesn't.
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  Speaker 4: Fit my skin tone perfectly, like blue, blue and gold
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  Speaker 4: was great.
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  Speaker 1: It's great.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah you skin tone there, Kurchin.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean there you go.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I'm saying some peoples blue.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, he looks good. He looks good at and and
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  Speaker 1: look at the guy.
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  Speaker 3: He would look good at anything. I know, the young,
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  Speaker 3: in shape, good looking.
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  Speaker 1: I understand what I'm just saying that that Clemson orange
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  Speaker 1: is a I went to I went to Syracuse, so
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  Speaker 1: I got the orange whole thing. I get it. That's
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  Speaker 1: those are not great colors. This gold and blue, you're
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  Speaker 1: gonna it'll go long term.
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  Speaker 2: You know what you're doing on the sideline. Do you
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  Speaker 2: go like a different color so you stand out? Do
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  Speaker 2: you go gold? What are you doing sideline?
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  Speaker 4: I'll be something different. Uh, I'm still figuring that out.
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  Speaker 4: Ain't something the pops so you know they can see
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  Speaker 4: you and look, yeah, they can see me. I wanted
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  Speaker 1: Why let me ask you this, speaking to that big
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  Speaker 1: hunting state, West Virginia is a big huntings why don't
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  Speaker 1: we go with someone with some like some blaze orange, Like,
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  Speaker 1: why don't we have a blaze orange? It'll be due
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  Speaker 1: respect for the hunters out there. We got to d
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  Speaker 1: C's wearing a blaze orange thing out there calling in
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: signals interesting idea, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: I've seen some guys in crazy like some guys wear
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  Speaker 4: like NFL jersey, some guys wear big hats something like.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: There's there's all kinds of things that that that guys do,
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 4: uh to try and get noticed on the sidelines. So
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  Speaker 4: I'm usually just like a different colored shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Guy, are you communication wise, with your lineback, with your
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  Speaker 1: with your dot back there. How do you like that?
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  Speaker 1: Does that change that helped?
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  Speaker 4: I think, first off, this media defensive guy right now,
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  Speaker 4: it's definitely competitive advance for the offense.
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  Speaker 1: Why are you saying that because.
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  Speaker 4: You can line up fast on it? Because they control
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  Speaker 4: when a ball snapped. So if they line up fast
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: and want to see what we get into. It used
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: to be the quarterback had to make the checks. The
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: quarterback had to see it. Well, now the OC head
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 4: coach over there is telling him, I want you to
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: check to this play, I want you to get to
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: this or so that's that's definitely, in my opinion, an
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 4: advantage for them.
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  Speaker 2: So you counter that by doing what will you not
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  Speaker 2: line up right away? You'll kind of keep moving.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes, you know, it depends that the smart ones will
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: they'll wait right to like they'll tell the quarterback to
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  Speaker 4: play at like seventeen seconds or so, and at fifteen
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  Speaker 4: it goes dead. So now I can't talk to my guy,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 4: but he can.
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  Speaker 1: He was able to talk to a huge that's a
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  Speaker 1: huge screw.
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  Speaker 4: There's a lot of To me, it's a decently biased
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 4: thing towards the offense. It really is, But I don't mind.
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  Speaker 4: I like being able to tell the linebackers what I'm thinking,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 4: what I both think is coming, what what I think
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  Speaker 4: is going to happen. You know, we get to where
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  Speaker 4: like if you huddle, will huddle like the NFL. You know,
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to give you the signal now if
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  Speaker 4: you don't want to, you know you're not gonna.
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  Speaker 1: Line up fast.
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  Speaker 4: You're gonna huddle up. I'll huddle my guys up, and
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  Speaker 4: you know, I'll tell the linebacker to play, He'll tell
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: everybody to play, and we'll go from there.
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  Speaker 3: How important to you is disguise critical?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: I think we studied it wasn't last year's two years ago.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: Of the top ten defenses in the country, which we
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 4: were one of them, eight of the ten were in
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: the top twelve, and disguise rate in the country. Anytime
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 4: you can change the picture pre to post snap on
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  Speaker 4: a quarterback, you make him indecisive, you make him slower
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  Speaker 4: in his reads, his progressions, eat in the run game,
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: in the past game, and you can affect the way
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: they play. You've got a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot of things here defensively that you're trying to do.
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  Speaker 2: Where do you rate your playbook difficulty picking it up
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: one to ten week because we've seen coaches come in
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: here and they have three plays and they wrap them
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: to death. It sounds like you've got a lot going
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  Speaker 2: on here.
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  Speaker 4: We definitely have more plays than three. I always tell everybody, man,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna look complex, We're gonna look like we do
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  Speaker 4: a million things. But in reality, I think the linebackers
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: do ten total things on the defense. And once you
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 4: know what ten go with what calls, uh, it starts
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: to become real simple. So you know, I would say
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  Speaker 4: somewhere around you know, four to five. Okay, yeah, definitely
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: a four to five great difficulty there, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, yeah, And then it has to get to
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  Speaker 1: that point because if you do paralysis analysis in today's game,
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  Speaker 1: you're totally screwed.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you might have three new starters coming in.
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  Speaker 1: Like July exactly exactly a little.
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  Speaker 4: Bit how the NFL. You know, if you ever watch
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  Speaker 4: the league compared to college football, they are generally simpler
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  Speaker 4: across the board. Because you might have a linebacker show Thursday,
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  Speaker 4: he got to start Sunday, like you know, he's got
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  Speaker 4: to be able to learn it quick and understand it.
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  Speaker 4: And we take similar approaches all.
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  Speaker 1: Right before we let you out here. So I get
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  Speaker 1: the sense that you're kind of enjoying the fact that
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  Speaker 1: Is that what I'm getting?
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  Speaker 2: Oh?
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  Speaker 4: Absolutely, yeah. So I've always been the underdog, or at
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  Speaker 4: it doesn't bother me at all. In fact, i'd probably
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  Speaker 1: That's the essence of this state.
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  Speaker 3: That's the essence, because you know, coach, whereas every program,
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  Speaker 3: That is everybody says that. You probably said at Oklahoma
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're probably getting a little bit of that vibe
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