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Destroying the environment with wind and solar power · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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Mainstream media has betrayed our trust.
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Rather than tell us the whole story about the important issues of the day, they tell us only what they want us to hear.
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Your hosts, Tom Harris and Todd Royal, will bring you the other side of the story.
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Across the world, a growing number of political actors are reevaluating how climate issues are framed.
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Particularly the idea that greenhouse gas emissions constitute an urgent global crisis.
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This shift is emerging alongside a renewed embrace of fossil fuels, creating a landscape where energy security, economic competitiveness, and geopolitical strategy increasingly shapes climate discourse.
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President Donald Trump has referred to the climate change scare as a hoax and campaigned against Biden's energy policies that he's termed the green news scam.
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The Trump administration has moved to cut billions in climate related funding and stressed that reliable energy is vital to human flourishing, which is obviously correct, of course.
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Consequently, climate policy has been largely absent from major national debates in the United States, overshadowed by issues such as immigration and the economy.
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This absence reflects a political environment where an increasing number of candidates and factions question crisis-oriented narratives and instead emphasize economic impacts, regulatory burdens, or national sovereignty.
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Beyond the U.S., similar dynamics appear in parts of Europe.
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Several conservative parties have positioned themselves against expansive climate regulations, arguing that rapid decarbonization threatens industrial competitiveness and household affordability.
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Political entities in countries such as Germany, the Netherlands, and Italy, have challenged crisis framing and push for slower and more economically cautious transitions.
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While international institutions continue to push the climate scare, a growing block of political entities is challenging all this and advocating for a more cautious, economically grounded approach to climate and energy policy.
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Energy expert Todd Royal and I will discuss this hopeful trend with a particular focus on what has happened in the United States since Donald Trump started his second term.
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So Todd, how much of a role do you think the election of President Trump has played in this hopeful trend?
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Wow, I mean, everything.
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I do think, Tom, that it would have like let's say Kamala Harris would have won.
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I do think eventually you'd have seen all of this collapse.
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Now, I think we'd have seen things like bad blackouts or runaway electricity prices.
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So we would have, I think we would have seen things as the physics and the engineering and the chemistry would have caught up whether it's net zero or decarbonization, you know, the pushing of renewables and EVs to solve, you know, some made up crisis.
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I do think we would have seen that.
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I think what we saw certainly President Trump and continue to see, and you know, all offshore wind programs just got halted uh a day ago, which is great news, by the way.
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I think we would have seen it come down.
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I do.
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I think Trump definitely helped it.
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I think he certainly even helped the Alberta deal that we've now seen in your country, uh, where we're gonna now see, you know, uh if British Columbia doesn't get in the way, but we're we're we're gonna see uh a return to sanity.
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And I think you're gonna see the continuation is people are gonna start to really ask, why are my electricity prices so high?
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You know, why?
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Um doesn't mean they're gonna understand it, but at least they're gonna the the question's gonna be asked.
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What do you think?
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Yeah, well, it's interesting because in Canada, you can't get a more climate activist prime minister than Mark Kearney.
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I mean, he was the one who started this uh global financial institute, G fans, you know, the the thing where they're trying to push net carbon, net zero carbon on all of us.
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So he he himself is now moving over to a more practical approach.
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And I think when it really comes down to people being subjected to blackouts and high electricity prices, yeah, practicality tends to rule.
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Yeah, I like when you think about all these things, it's it's a way to create chaos, it's a way for billionaires with kind of that left-leaning globalist, kind of that fusion of big business and big environment and big government all coming together.
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But that's such a small percentage of leadership, whether you're at the top of a gigantic corporation or the top of a big environmental organization or obviously uh an elected official, to have that framework for how you're gonna run a society, well, that catches up to the other 99% who does, like you just said, they start to go, why are my prices so high?
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Like, why is everything so expensive?
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And then why are we having blackouts?
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Now, I think the media can, of course, frame it against conservatives or you know, guys like you who are so out there, you know, you're a climate denier, you don't follow the science and all that nonsense.
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But even that kind of stuff, I think people even begin to see like a President Obama and go, if this is such an existential crisis as you tell us that the world's uncontrollably warming, then why do you have mansions on bodies of water?
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If it's so bad, tell me why you've got a mansion in Hawaii and another mansion in uh, I think Martha's Vineyard.
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Yeah, it's at sea level.
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So if the seas are truly rising and you're that worried about it, wouldn't you want to have a mansion in the middle of Canada or in the heartland of the United States?
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Well, yeah, I think it just makes people go, oh, that's right, this isn't true.
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They then can't put it together, but I think they looked up and went, oh, wait a minute.
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I I that this isn't true.
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Yeah, yeah.
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I think they overplayed their hand, quite frankly, you know, because I mean, the UN Secretary General, he says, we're past the age of global warming.
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It's now global boiling, you know.
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I mean, some of the stuff becomes so silly.
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I was actually glad to see them going crazy like that because the average person says, oh, come on.
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I was on TV.
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It does, and then you you really look up right now, and you're seeing Europe collapse.
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I mean, think about that.
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Like if you go, okay, let's have a real test case.
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You go, okay, Venezuela tried socialism.
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Let's see what that's gotten you.
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Um, I don't know why foolish people vote for that incompetent individual for mayor of New York.
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Okay, you're about to find out a nasty lesson.
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But when you look at Europe, you're looking at an entire Western civilization that's lost confidence in itself.
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And on the energy side, you guys embrace this green ideology.
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You shut your nuclear power plants, you ban fracking, you you you had this deal with the devil of American security, industrial powerhouse companies that are going to export our way out of there, and it's all going to be fueled by cheap Russian natural gas, and we're going to believe in net zero and every piece of nonsense possible.
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And then the war happens, the gas gets shut off.
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Ironically, now you're getting American gas at three and four X more.
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And you're in your entire civilization is collapsing right now.
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It's it's you have horribly unpopular leaders.
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Um, you have a globalist elites that are just killing that entire continent.
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It's almost a microcosm of what we've talked about this year.
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This climate scare they truly believe in a climate scare.
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They believe that you know, we're boiling ourselves, and and and yet what we're going to do is not have children, and we're going to bring in millions of people who hate our guts and believe in the green energy scam.
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That's the green energy.
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Now, that's something you've written about.
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It isn't really green anyway.
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I mean, if they were doing something that was truly environmentally friendly and was, you know, respecting human rights and all that, you might say, well, they have some validity.
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But I mean, you've written a book along with Ronald Stein called Clean Energy Exploitations, helping citizens understand the environmental and human abuses that support, and you have in bracket in quotations, Mark, clean energy.
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Now, the question is, is it really clean anyway when we talk about wind and solar?
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No, I mean, when you think about it, let's let's be tech, it's the marginal cost.
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Okay, so the marginal cost is fully clean, the wind and the sun.
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But every single component that makes up a solar panel and wind turbine comes from fossil fuels.
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It takes tens of thousands of pounds of millions of tons of rare earth metals and minerals that have to be mined, transported and processed with prop with fossil fuels, particularly coal, um, all of the steel, all the concrete, all the rebar, all the polysilicon for a solar panel, that is all done by the dirtiest forms of fossil fuel.
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Go look at the base of a wind turbine.
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Typically, they'll sometimes be 12 feet, 20 feet of just pure concrete and rebar, stuck 20 feet in the ground, and it's it's there forever.
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So there's nothing that's green in even a nuclear power plant, it's not green.
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The only thing about an even a nuclear power plant is when it's actually making electricity and the smoke that you see coming out is water vapor, but every single part of that plant is made by fossil fuels.
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Every every energy system.
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Okay, I'm gonna have no.
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Emissions whatsoever.
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Well, then you're going to freeze to death, or you're going to die.
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So then you're going to start cutting down trees.
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You're going to deforest places, like they do in Africa.
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Your emissions are going to be higher.
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It's going to be dirtier, and you're typically going to die a younger age.
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So anybody that says anything is green, that's simply not true.
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There's nothing the marginal cost, the marginal input of the wind and the sun getting into a solar panel or moving a wind turbine blade, that is free, and that is quote unquote green.
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Every single solitary thing.
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Tell anybody this all day long.
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It's worse for the environment to have a solar panel or a wind turbine versus a nuclear power plant, a gas-fired plant.
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I would even argue a coal plant.
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Yeah.
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I wouldn't well, the environmental footprint of these wind and solar plants.
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I mean, it's like hundreds of times more than a gas plant, let's say.
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It's between 300 to 700% more.
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Oh man.
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So if you think about uh let's say a nuclear power plant, typically will take up, I don't know, let's go 100 acres, brand new plants.
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Some of them can fit fit into a house, but a nuclear power plant is going to take up a hundred acres.
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I can get the order of magnitude 1600% more power from that than I can from a solar farm or a wind farm.
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Tom, if I have a one gigawatt plant that's going to take up a hundred acres, and I've got a wind turbine that could be one megawatt.
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Let's say they can even get, we'll give them 20 megawatts, which is impossible, because then I have to have backups for it when the wind's not blowing.
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So just start to do the land calculations for that.
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Imagine a solar panel.
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Well, that solar panel only works half the time.
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Yeah.
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When it goes on to podcast on Monday, and Merry Christmas, by the way, to everybody, because by the time you hear this, Christmas will have just passed.
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But regardless, I'll put up a graph, a graphic that shows one nuclear station versus, and I think it's like 700 wind turbines, and you can see, and these are like two megawatt wind turbines, something like that.
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And you can see visually the difference.
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Now, one of the things that I think the environmentalists have completely tricked, they've bamboozled the Europeans for sure.
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Although in the United States, people seem to be waking up.
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And that's the human abuses that support green green energy.
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So can you talk a bit about that?
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Because I mean, you know, it's obviously not green energy, that's for sure.
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But is it even friendly from a human abuse point of view, human rights?
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No, no.
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If you think about if I really wanted to be good to a human being in mining coal or fracking for natural gas, versus okay, making wind turbine in a GE Vernova plant is going to be fine.
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But everything is not made in that plant.
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Meaning, if you really wanted to be environmentally, or let's just say human rights, labor, labor law, you would make all those things in Western nations.
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Because as of right now, 70 to 90% of all rare earth metals and minerals are refined and processed, if not mined in China.
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Yeah, and before you go on, can you say why we need these rare earths?
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Like why are they needed?
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Why don't we just make it out of iron and aluminum?
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I mean, it won't work.
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Uh, it's it's just it's a critical input.
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Uh, the same way a car doesn't run without gasoline.
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Um, you have to use multitudes of lithium and cobalt and neodinasum and uh and on and on and on.
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Um particular, in particular, like cobalt lithium.
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And these are things to mine these to mine them where they're being currently mined.
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About 70% of all the world's cobalt is done in the Congo, or what's referred to as the Democratic Republic of Congo.
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Well, that is black people enslaving other black people and children.
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And no environmental laws, no labor laws, you're truly enslaved.
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If you think about the Lit and Amnesty International's done work on this, the New York Times did work on this this year.
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This is easy for anybody to find.
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Do you know, cobalt, Amnesty International, New York Time reports?
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Look up the lithium triangle.
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It's when you when you do lithium, you have to create these leche ponds, you have to use massive amounts of brine, it has to be filtered.
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There's some of the most disgusting things you can imagine.
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When people go, oh, but a coal, uh uh, you know, you're mining for coal, how dirty it is.
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Well, there's nothing that is clean.
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There's only trade-offs.
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There's no such thing as something being clean and green.
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There's a trade-off.
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If you think you're being environmentally friendly by putting a solar panel in your house, no, you're getting free energy from the sun when it's shining, but that solar panel likely came from China, used by the dirtiest forms of coal, and is ruining their environment because they're trying to get a geopolitical advantage to sell this thing to gullible Westerners who think they're being environmentally friendly and helping the earth.
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That's all you're doing.
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So, and by the way, when you think about a solar panel, solar panels starts as silica.
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Silica is a rare earth metal and mineral.
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So you have to have copious amounts of silica that has to be turned into polysilicone, which then turned into a wafer into a PV panel.
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What I just described is considered one of the most energy-intensive manufacturing processes in the world.
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Yeah, and it's interesting because I I saw a presentation recently from a geologist, actually, a pretty smart lady, and she pointed out that the city that makes the most wind and solar power in the world is also one of the most polluted cities in the world.
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Absolutely it is, because you're oh, that's a great you brought up a great point.
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Rarely can you recycle any of these blades or solar panels?
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And typically these things begin to lose power after about two years.
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And the longest they're gonna run, the very longest will be 25 years.
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And many people would argue with me about that.
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I'll give you 25 years because I've read enough about these things, done studies on them.
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How long would a coal station last typically?
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40.
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Uh, nuclear power plants now can last 100 gas plant can be 60, 40 to 600 years versus 25 at the best for wind and solar.
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And and remember too, with wind and solar, the power you're getting out of that, the capacity factor or the energy density, how much energy it actually has, those panels and wind turbines, particularly offshore wind turbines under harsh marine environments, begin to rapidly degrade.
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So whereas a nuclear power plant or even a coal plant, I may have to do things to it.
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The gas plant, I'm gonna have to maintenance.
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If you're telling me I'm giving 700, you know, 700 megawatts of power from a gas plant.
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Well, likely 40 years later, I'm still getting that from a nuclear power plant.
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I'm actually probably gonna get more from it than when I first turned it on.
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And it'll be almost 100% of the time.
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Yeah, they're they tend to they tend to work low in 92% of the time.
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Like that's that's considered low now.
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And normal now is reaching 95% of the time for a new.
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And so if I turn on a nuclear power plant today, a hundred years from now, I'm probably gonna take it offline.
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Uh-huh.
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Uh-huh.
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I want to take a take a step back.
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And cobalt is needed in a lot of the electric vehicles and batteries and you know, all the different green, so-called green energy that's actually more polluting than coal and others.
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But where does it come from?
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And how much of human rights abuses are occurring?
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Cobalt is uh about 70% of it comes from the Congo in Africa.
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Typically, the abuses are children as young as five years old are mining it.
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They've been enslaved by warlords.
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Uh, their parents, if they're not killed, uh the women sometimes will be used as sex slaves while the children and the husbands are mining.
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They will dig, they'll dig out parts of the earth by hand.
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They'll put them, they'll literally take pieces of tin and you know, tree stumps to try to hold up the earth.
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Uh, typically these things will collapse on people all the time, bury them alive.
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And if they do not do that, they will be killed.
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So, I mean, they're they're truly uh enslaved by warlords.
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We definitely know that the Chinese have a heavy involvement in this.
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So, kind of like as the Chinese have enslaved their Uyghur Muslim population and uh raped the different women, they've enslaved them to build quote unquote green solar panels with made with coal-fired uh power plants.
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Yeah, and so the Chinese have a very, very heavy involvement.
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And this looks like a cartel-like behavior of enslaving people, you know, human trafficking, sex slave trafficking to get cobalt and solar panels to the West to enslaved you know, again, to take a geopolitical advantage, but also you know, also to just completely undermine and degrade the West because stupid white people and increasingly stupid black people, stupid Mexicans, stupid Asians believe that they're helping the earth by doing this, and what they're actually doing is enslaving women and children in the bondage to do this.
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Yeah.
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You know, you'd be interested to hear a French Canadian lady went to the microphone during our last election, and here's what she said.
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She said, I'm a mother, I'm a grandmother.
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I don't want to see children as young as four years old working in mines, breathing radioactive dust, being left to die when the mine collapses, so that we can drive electric cars in Ottawa.
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Like what?
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And then it's funny because she asked the uh counselors, the people that were running for mayor, do you support a
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Electrifying the city on the backs of African children dying in mines.
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And of course, what are they going to say?
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Oh, attack with the children, you know, we're going to electrify the city.
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Or are they going to say, oh, maybe we're not going to electrify the city.
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You know, so I mean, the politicians had no answer.
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And I think that's the kind of question that people have got to bring up more and more.
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And also the issue that this is not green energy.
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This is probably the dirtiest energy that you can actually get anywhere when you use wind and solar power.
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Now, I think that there are applications for wind and solar, okay.
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If you're if you're a buoy in the ocean, you know, I mean, that's a great place to have you know solar power, uh, or a satellite satellite in space, or if you want to have backup electricity for your home.
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And by the way, you've got to have incredibly big solar panels to have any kind of reasonable amount of backup.
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You know, my my daughter bought a hundred pound lithium battery, if you can believe that.
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And it's it's one, it's wonderful when I take it, it's on wheels, eh?
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Because I can record I can I can hardly lift it.
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Uh, she lets me take it to my trailer at my campsite once in a while.
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And I can power my trailer, everything, including the air conditioning.
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I mean, it's really it's really wonderful.
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Um, so we decided, okay, we're going to get some solar panels in case you know we have to charge it.
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But it takes like three days to charge it.
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This is if it's sunny all day long.
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And we bought we bought huge solar panels, you know, and as a consequence, yeah, we can charge it if you have three straight days and you don't need to use the battery at all.
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It sounds so good.
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No, the wind and the sun are free.
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You know, so tell me, Mr.
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Energy Man, why you don't like the wind and the sun.
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What drives me crazy is when people say electrify everything.
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What I don't get with that, Tom, this whole electrify everything movement, which is electricity, and I wrote this in my second our second book.
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I said, electricity is nothing.
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Electricity has to have an input.
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It electricity does not just it doesn't take place spontaneously.
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It has to be created by an energy source.
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So people, oh, just electrify electro electrify everything.
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Okay, so you're saying that you actually want more energy.
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You you're asking for more coal or gas or more dirty solar panels and dirty turbines, and you're you're asking for more oil fired power plants, or you want more nuclear plants, you want more biomass or algae or hydrogen.
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You have to have something to create that electricity.
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We touched on that a little bit this past year, but I would like for us to begin to kind of take on this electrify everything movement.
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Well, that's right, because electricity is just a currency, it's just a way of moving energy around.
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It's not energy, it's not energy.
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It, you know, like you got to make it somehow.
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And and you know, I just want before we go to the break.
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I wanted to ask you one question.
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You've said that the best way to encourage peace is to flood the world with cheap energy.
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And so from that point of view, the fact that Trump is, you know, really pushing uh American energy.
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This will help with world peace, won't it?
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Absolutely.
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And I think you see what it also does, you know, economically.
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We just saw that the growth numbers for the for the United States just came out, came out at 4.3%.
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Oh, gasoline prices have come down.
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You're seeing some energy prices come down.
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And you're you're seeing the only reason you have many times these affordability issues is because energy is expensive.
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So not only can you bring all prosperity begins with energy.
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That's how that's that's how it always begins.
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And then, secondly, yeah, if it were me, I would be bringing every Russian hydrocarbon to the market.
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I would I would take off every single sanction, bring it to the market, dramatically crash prices.
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I then would go to all American and Canadian, you know, uh oil, you know, the majors, and say, listen, we're going to subsidize you.
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We want you to drill drill everything, bring everything you can to the market.
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We want to bring oil down to $10 a barrel.
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We'll sell you our strategic, you know, the strategic project reserve at these certain prices.
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We want you to export to Europe to everywhere else, and we can stop the Russian war machine.
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We can um we can do, you know, we can do all of that.
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And right, because that's what's funding their military, the oil and the gas that they export.
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Yeah.
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And throughout history, hasn't a lot of wars essentially being fought over energy.
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Well, I if you if you kind of look at various wars, there's certainly any kind of international relations or war theories, people will tell you that every war for the most part's a resource war.
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Okay, you may have like the Detroit war be, oh, because Helen got taken.
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So there's kind of some per there's obviously personal animosities or ambitions, but even we want your resources.
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We want your riches.
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We want your land or cattle or gold.
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Whereas now, when you look back at World War II, Churchill, Stalin, they all said, you know, it's energy.
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Hitler tried to get the the Romanian oil fields, the Russian oil fields.
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I mean, they they all desperately, desperately needed energy.
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I mean, Hitler's the one I think they uh the the inventors of of uh coal to gasification process.
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They had a lot of coal.
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Yeah, exactly.
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They did that.
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There's kind of renewed interest of that in China.
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They're now doing huge coal gap coal to gasification projects right now.
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Yeah, I was reading a little bit recently that the loss of World War II by the Germans was largely because they didn't have sufficient oil.
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Yeah.
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They they and if you look at them, even that even our bombing campaigns, we only degraded their industrial output by a very small amount.
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We carpet bombed, but they were still producing.
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Yeah, I mean, I would tell, and you please link to this in the show notes.
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You know, read Victor Davis Hanson's The Second World War.
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That's the that's the definitive book on World War II that will that goes through this, that goes through you know, lack of energy, the lack of inputs, uh being able to produce you know what you needed, because it as you and I both know, if you're gonna make bullets and bombs and clothes and explosives, planes and explosives and tanks, you've got to have energy.
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It's what to me getting back to Europe, Tom, is is so ridiculous about the Europeans threatening the Russians.
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Let's take the output of the Russians versus your output.
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Forget forget Vladimir Putin.
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At the end of the day, World War II was won because the American economy was bigger than the German and Japanese economy.
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We had more oil and coal.
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That's that we could outproduce you.
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We could build more planes and ships and clothes and food and merchant ships and Coast Guard and everything that it took to win those wars.
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Yeah.
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There's there's no way that the Europeans in any way, shape, fashion form, or the Ukrainians can beat the Russians.
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Yeah.
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And if you flood the world with cheap energy, then people have enough food, they have enough resources.
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They don't need to go to war in most cases.
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In most cases, they won't.
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You know, the Russians would go, hey, NATO is an existential crisis, you came too close.
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Okay.
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Um, I would probably counter and go, you guys also did the stupid thing of believing in global warming and climate change and getting rid of your energy.
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And so you kind of needed to make political boogeymans.
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And so, you know, you you get all this stuff running around in your head, and he's the bad guy, and he's invaded, and he's done all these things, whereas you go, well, what if you had been growing your own economies and not making sure the Americans were taking care of all your security?
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Yeah, yeah.
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We shouldn't be enemies with the Russians.
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I mean, I love the fact that we actually work in space together.
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It's sort of funny, they're fighting on the ground, but they work in the space station together.
28:07
You know, they say that if you're in a space mission, one thing that you definitely want on your mission is a Russian crew.
28:15
Yeah, or at least some Russians.
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Because, you know, I don't know if you've seen this, Todd, but there's a video, and we got to go to a break in a second, but I got to tell you this.
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There's a video that compares how the Russians get a truck out of the ice after it's fallen through into a lake.
28:29
Oh, wow, versus the West.
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And the West brings in all kinds of fancy machines and cranes and everything, and a day later, they have the truck out of the ice.
28:38
The Russians go cut down a few trees.
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They make a couple of levers and they have the truck out in an hour, you know.
28:46
And if you read the history of the Russian space program, I mean, they have survived everything.
28:50
They had fires on the Russian near space.
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Imagine fire in your your space station, the Russians.
28:56
Yeah, so that these are the ultimate survivors.
28:58
So, yeah, they should be our allies.
29:01
We got to go for a break now.
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It's been a wonderful year for climate and energy realm.
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Well, Tom Harris, show the other side of the story.
33:18
Tom, I wanted to ask you, I think there's been a very underreported story.
33:24
And we talked about it a little bit, but the whole idea of Mark Carney making a deal with the conservative leader, I can't recall her name right now, female leader of Ottawa, that we're going to bring all the Albertan um energy to market now, the oil sands, the natural gas, we're going to build pipelines over to the Pacific and really open up tens of billions of dollars of economic activity for Canada.
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Can you talk about that?
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And is this really going to happen?
33:53
Is it it it sure seems a little too good to be true?
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Yeah, and it probably is.
33:58
You know, Mark Carney is a climate activist extraordinaire, you know.
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And you have to remember he started this financial organization that is trying to get banks and lending institutions to to basically cripple the fossil fuel sector.
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And he was the or the originator of GFANS, which is now collapsed, of course, which is great because banks were withdrawing from it.
34:20
But regardless, it's it's very hard to read what's really going on because he is a fundamental climate extremist, no question about it.
34:28
And Daniel Smith, who's the current premier of Alberta, she, of course, wants to develop Alberta resources, and the rest of Canada should welcome that because Alberta gives huge transfer payments to the rest of the provinces across Canada.
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And so, and of course, the United States would benefit massively.
34:45
But you know, the deal that he's worked out, it's basically not that the pipelines will happen.
34:51
They will happen under certain circumstances.
34:54
And one of them is that it has to please the native groups.
34:58
And a lot of them are saying the ones that live on the coast of British Columbia that no, we're not going to change the agreements, that there will be no tankers going through certain parts of the West Coast, which we would need to have if we're actually going to get the product to market in Asia.
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Some people are saying, and you know, these are very smart people who follow these circumstances very closely.
35:18
They're saying that this is a ruse, that it actually is an attempt to get Daniel Smith to agree to the carbon dioxide sequestration of the oil sands.
35:28
Okay, so this is interesting.
35:30
They want to take carbon dioxide, which of course is benign in quiet food and certainly not a threat.
35:36
They want to spend 16.5 billion dollars to pump CO2 16.5 billion.
35:43
They want to pump CO2 from the oil sands uh when they're processing it, they want to pump it underground and store it there, which of course is totally unnecessary.
35:52
But regardless, uh, and it's you know, a lot of this MOU, as they call it, the memorandum of understanding, it results in in a possibility that we'll see the pipeline.
36:02
Okay, so it's a it's a set, it's a step forward.
36:05
You know, maybe we're talking about a pipeline in seven or eight years.
36:09
Certainly we're not gonna see the groundbroken for some time because, as I said, they have to get agreement from the native communities, but they also have to have satisfaction of very, very strict environmental regulations.
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And those regulations, you know, they can prevent projects from going ahead.
36:26
So there's a very strong question as to whether any company is going to want to take the risk the way Trans Canada took, for example, for the Keystone XL pipeline, where they lost presumably a lot of money because Joe Biden canceled it, and of course, it's going back and forth cancel.
36:42
So, I mean, I'm hoping that the MOU is going to result in a pipeline to the West Coast, because right now a lot of Alberta's oil sands is landlocked.
36:50
Okay, it's in the middle of the continent, so you know they can't get it anywhere.
36:54
So hopefully we're gonna see pipelines actually more of them going to the West Coast, and eventually, I mean, here's the crazy thing.
37:02
Eastern Canada imports oil from some of the worst dictatorships in the world.
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And yet we have our own source, one of the biggest in the world, just in the western part of the country.
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So having what they call energy east, which would be a pipeline to the eastern part of Canada from the from the oil sands and other Alberta oil would be wonderful, but they're not doing it.
37:22
So it's it's hard to know.
37:23
I really can't answer your question, yes or no.
37:25
Is it gonna really happen?
37:27
You know?
37:27
Do you do uh and this always goes back?
37:30
We've talked about this a lot this year, kind of the psychology of these folks.
37:34
Um you've heard me I've used I've been I'm very harsh on them.
37:37
I I think they're all very Nazi-like.
37:40
Um, in their fervor and their ideology.
37:42
It takes on that destructive Nazi-like fervor.
37:47
What is the reasoning of a British Columbia or even some of these native tribes, which is ridiculous in and of itself?
37:55
Why did they say we won't do this?
37:57
But yet we will bring in products from some of the worst human rights abusers in the world.
38:03
I think the native groups are out for money.
38:05
Okay, I mean, a lot of them are also out for jobs, and those are the ones that support the pipelines.
38:10
Okay, but but many of the controlling leaders of the native groups recognize that if they hold off, they're gonna get bribed with more and more billions of dollars.
38:20
Shortly before he left power, Trudeau gave 20 billion dollars to native groups, to particularly native groups in the country.
38:28
So I mean, it's very lucrative in Canada to be called a native.
38:33
But but what about these?
38:34
What about these folks in this, you know, the the environmentalists, the folks y'all's liberal parties?
38:41
What is their reasoning for saying we won't take it from Alberta, but we'll take it from the worst human rights abusers on the planet.
38:48
We've got to get energy somehow, so we won't take it here, but we'll take it somewhere else.
38:52
What is their reasoning behind that?
38:54
Well, there's no logical reason behind it.
38:56
I mean, it makes absolutely no sense to bring in oil from human rights abusers and worse environmental abusers, people, you know, don't care about the environment.
39:05
Um, so it really doesn't make any sense.
39:07
And I think that what happens is it's more what they can affect, okay?
39:11
They can't affect the environmental conditions and abuses and human rights abuses in China.
39:17
So they're gonna cripple our energy systems.
39:19
You know, so I think that that's really what it boils down to is the activists recognize that they can have impact on our use of energy, but they can't have any impact on the foreign sources.
39:29
So you're right.
39:30
I mean, it makes absolutely no sense to not develop Canadian resources, which have high environmental standards, high human rights standards, and therefore bring in more and more from the Middle East and Venezuela and other places that have no or practically no environmental standards.
39:46
So, yeah, it doesn't make any sense.
39:48
I think it's it's partly just the opportunity exists to cripple Canadian energy, so that's why they're doing it.
39:54
These are real zealots, you know, these are fanatical people, and and they feel something.
40:00
Somehow, if Canada reduces our emissions, so we're going to help save the world.
40:04
But you know, it's funny here in Ottawa, the capital of Canada, they have a climate plan that's worth over 57 billion dollars for a city of a million.
40:14
So it's 57,000 per person, every man, woman, and child in Ottawa by 2050.
40:21
And you know, China puts out as much emissions in four and a half hours as Ottawa does in a whole year.
40:27
So I mean, a lot of this is virtue signaling.
40:30
A lot of this is simply trying to have impact where they can, which is here.
40:35
But yeah, it doesn't make any sense at all.
40:37
So sorry to change the topic, but one thing I really want to get to today is the huge number of developments in 2025.
40:44
And I have a listing here of obviously on day one, and we've spoken about this before.
40:49
Oh gosh, yeah.
40:50
Yeah, day one was wonderful.
40:51
You had you know, all sorts of executive orders, and I'll just list the title of a few of them.
40:56
Putting America first in international environmental agreements, unleashing American energy, unleashing Alaska's extraordinary resource potential, declaring a national energy emergency.
41:07
You know, so on and on, his executive orders are wonderful.
41:10
But since day one, there has still been a lot of great developments in the energy and environment field in the United States.
41:17
So I mean, what do you think of that?
41:19
Is Trump really doing anything significant that we'll look back on and say, whoa, that was great.
41:26
Well, I think we saw it already when we saw the the economic numbers for the United States.
41:31
The United States grew 4.3% Q3.
41:34
Wow.
41:35
Um gas is now as low as it's been in years.
41:40
If you go all through any American big city right now, restaurants are full, airports are full.
41:46
You you definitely see that you know, there was an economic collapse from the tariffs.
41:51
You what you see is a guy who said, we are no longer going to do this World War II, which worked in the for a time, this World War II globalist liberal-led order that we are going to say we're going to look out for the interest of the United States first.
42:11
We want you, the rest of the world to prosper, but we want to partner with you in prosperity.
42:17
We're going to worry about the Western Hemisphere, the Monroe Doctrine, um, which really called almost like the Monroe Trump doctrine now.
42:26
And absolutely, I mean, we have been so far off track in the United States.
42:33
I mean, it kind of started under FDR.
42:35
I mean, really started under Teddy Roosevelt, then FDR, but it really the beginnings of kind of this decline of America probably really began under LBJ, but on the energy side, you know, it really began under Al Gore and this.
42:49
I always go back to it's this belief in global warming.
42:53
This belief that if I'm burning fossil fuels, I'm uncontrollably warming the earth and the earth is going to die, and we're gonna die with it.
43:02
That to me, Tom, when I think about all this, it's that he said that is a scam.
43:08
Yeah, yeah.
43:08
And he even told the whole UN.
43:10
I was that was wonderful.
43:12
He said, You people, you gotta wake up because you're ruining your own countries, not only through mass immigration from developing countries, but also through environmental programs that don't help the environment anywhere.
43:23
But it and like we've talked about this year.
43:25
If you if you really wanted to help the environment help the world, you flood the world with with cheap fossil fuels, and all your electricity comes from nuclear power plants.
43:35
There's no nirvana.
43:38
I think what what I see with these people too, these whether it's the Democratic Party or the Liberal Party of Canada or Greens and Europe, it's it's such a childlike fantasy that that then becomes this ideological Nazi like fervor that we're we're gonna stop emissions if we kill everybody else.
43:58
Well, we stopped emissions.
43:59
You know, oh, it's the Jews' fault.
44:01
If I just kill if I just kill the Jew, then I'll have the greatest Germany in the world, you know, the the fatherland will a thousand year Reich.
44:10
I mean, all it's all the same nonsense.
44:13
I I think my concern for 26 is I could see a hot civil war taking place.
44:22
Because you've got to be able to talk with somebody.
44:26
You've got to be able to reason with somebody.
44:28
Um, you've got to, and you can't reason with a climate zealot.
44:33
You can't reason with an you've talked about this, Tom.
44:36
I mean, I'll throw it to you.
44:37
You're at these town halls and rallies and political meetings, and you you present as much facts as anybody out there.
44:45
We've had guys like Steve Gorham and from uh, you know, what's up, what's up with that?
44:51
And I mean, look at all the folks that we've had on here, all the climate specialists, the professor we had on about a month and a half ago.
45:00
Given the physics behind how it's not even possible, you can give all these people all the facts you want.
45:05
And and you know, well, I think a part of your denier.
45:09
Yeah, yeah, I think it's partly because they have alternative goals, and they may not even admit it.
45:14
But I mean, they hate the United States.
45:16
Okay, that's number one.
45:17
Uh number two is that they hate the West.
45:20
They think that because we're wealthy, that's the reason that the rest of the world is not.
45:24
But but of course, that doesn't make any sense.
45:26
One statistic I love bringing up, and I've done it before, I'll do it again.
45:30
And that is that since World War II, the United States has given more money in pure aid to the rest of the world.
45:36
And I don't mean things where they get a return on their investment.
45:39
I mean things like hurricane relief and stuff like that.
45:42
They've given more money in pure aid to the rest of the world than all countries in history combined.
45:48
So if you think that bankrupting the United States is gonna help the developing world, I mean, get real.
45:54
There's a you know, their banker is no longer gonna be able to give them any more aid, you know.
45:59
And and of course, the fact is no country's perfect.
46:03
One thing I have, you know, family members who who say, oh, the United States did this and they did that.
46:07
I said, Well, yeah, but look back through history at the leading countries in the world, what they did.
46:12
Okay, look at the Romans, look at even the British.
46:15
I mean, the British were a huge advance over previous uh, you know, leaders in the world.
46:20
But the United States has generally speaking been a very good influence on the world.
46:25
And you know, so I mean, I I just look at 2025 and I say, well, it's about time we started telling the truth.
46:31
Like, and I just list a few things and ask if you can comment on this.
46:35
Yeah.
46:35
January 23rd, a little after Trump came in.
46:38
Additional executive orders expand fossil fuel production, accelerate permitting for oil, gas, coal, hydropower, and nuclear, and direct agencies to prioritize domestic energy output over climate-related considerations.
46:52
Wasn't that about time?
46:54
Well, I think you just said it best, Tom.
46:57
I think when you think about 2025, the truth started to get out there.
47:01
You know, I just saw the other day where the Georgia officials admitted we cheated.
47:06
We did not certify 315,000 votes.
47:09
He lost by 10,000 votes, henceforth, he won the election.
47:13
What 2020?
47:14
2020.
47:15
Um that just came out.
47:17
Fulton County, which is democratic corrupt as they come.
47:21
I I think you know, we find out that Russia Gate was a just all of it was a bunch of lies.
47:27
John Brennan, Clapper, Adam Shift liars.
47:31
Yeah, and I understand a lot of it was orchestrated by Clinton and Obama.
47:35
Clinton, Obama, the British MI6.
47:39
I mean, it's it's all so.
47:40
I think you what you said is so important.
47:43
2025, and I think our shows as we're doing a review right now, is the truth came out.
47:51
The truth was presented.
47:53
Now, whether you want to believe us, whether you want to malign us, whatever you want to say about us, we we gave you guests that gave you the truth.
48:05
Um, remember we had the the professor on um who talked about the Ukraine war.
48:10
She was we brought in, you know, she was much more pro-the Ukraine war than I am.
48:15
Uh, not because I hate the Europeans, the Ukrainians because you're not gonna win.
48:21
Um, but even she was very truthful.
48:23
The Russians could knock out 140 substations and they would they would plunge Ukraine into darkness.
48:30
Yeah, they freeze in the dark.
48:32
So I think what you just said is the truth.
48:36
2025, with the election of Donald Trump, the truth has finally decided to make an appearance.
48:44
Yeah, and he's actually closing down some of these establishments that have become real fanatical climate establishments.
48:50
And I'll give you an example.
48:52
One of them is called NCAR in Boulder, Colorado that stands for National Center for Atmospheric Research.
48:57
Now, they obviously do good things such as weather research and stuff like that.
49:01
And they're not saying that they're gonna stop doing that kind of research, they're just gonna move it to other establishments.
49:07
And I'll just read you a quote from the White House Office of Management and Budget, Russ Voik, he said that the Trump administration would be quote, breaking up National Center for Atmospheric Research.
49:18
Uh, and he said this facility is one of the largest of the climate alarmism in the United States, okay, in the country.
49:25
Uh, a comprehensive a comprehensive review is underway, and any vital activities such as weather research will be moved to another entity or location.
49:34
And and that's you know, obviously, if an organization is being completely hijacked by the climate scare, then yeah, it's about time we close them down.
49:43
And you know, you'd laugh, Todd.
49:45
In 1990, NCAR researchers predicted that a new ice age would be setting in in the first third of the 21st century, like uh right now.
49:56
Can can I say something too about that, which is I forget which.
50:00
One of my books I wrote this in, but uh that he's become very famous for you know being against the climate scare, Dr.
50:06
Willie Soon.
50:07
Oh, yeah, yeah, great guy.
50:09
Astrophysicists, uh, NASA, and and and I've I've used this before, and he said there's about you know, climate, he's a climate specialist, kind of like a Judith Curry, a Stephen Kuhn and but he he says, okay, there's about six to twelve, and and go with me on this, and please correct me where I'm wrong because you know more about this than I do.
50:28
He said there's about six to twelve variables that make up climate, the sun, water vapor, other ones.
50:36
He said if you take the world's best supercomputer, wherever that is, and he said typically in these six to twelve variables, there are about two thousand then different variables that affect water vapor.
50:52
Let's use one of them.
50:53
Yeah, so there's about two thousand different movers of water vapor.
50:58
And he said, if you wanted to try to predict it, that come up with a scenario, a regression, whatever you're trying to figure out of this part that's gonna affect water vapor, it affects the climate.
51:10
He said that of those two thousand, if you take one and try to ask it a question, it would take a supercomputer 40 years to answer it.
51:18
Well, right.
51:19
In fact, it's complex.
51:21
Yeah, yeah.
51:22
Well, he said that look, if you took the fastest computer in the world and you had it model climate properly, which we're a long way from being able to do, he said it would take longer to forecast the climate than it would for the climate to actually unfold.
51:36
So you could forecast climate in 40 years, but it might take 60 years to run the bloody program.
51:42
He just, yeah, yeah, is that it's part of that same scenario of just saying so.
51:46
Anyone who's seeing these things, his whole point, what and I included a quote and then put some comment, you know, wrote some stuff about it, is anybody who any model that says that you can do it is it's incorrect.
52:02
I think what people don't need to realize too about models.
52:05
Uh I've done some modeling.
52:07
I've done some economic modeling before.
52:10
I did a little bit of regression work in graduate school, these models.
52:14
People hear about what's a model, what's a model?
52:17
A model is just taking some variables and trying to predict an outcome.
52:21
That's kind of a simple way to, you know.
52:24
I've told you I do this value chain work.
52:26
We gather a bunch of evidence, we find where companies are located, we then write a report, then we do a SWOT analysis.
52:34
I'm modeling how I think economic activity, is it for you know, oil and gas, is it for cars, is it for airplanes?
52:44
That's where I think people it is so ridiculous is that they're not understanding that these models in many ways, you're just trying to predict something.
52:55
It's not two plus two equals four.
52:58
We know that two.
53:00
You know, I mean, it's sad, Todd, because you know, if you look at the real data as to what's happening in the world, you know, 1.2, 1.3 degree or temperature rise since 1880, you know, no increase in extreme weather across the United States, except you know, in cities where it obviously gets hotter because of the urban heat island.
53:17
If you look at the actual statistics, sea level rising, of course it rises, but it's a very gradual rise has been going on for hundreds of years.
53:25
You look at the actual data, there is no data that supports a climate emergency.
53:30
It's all based on the forecasts of computer models that don't work.
53:34
You don't they don't work.
53:35
And and you know, we're talking about NCAR, and you know, we got to wrap up in a minute, but I want to read you one other quote from NCAR and Steve Mulloy wrote a good article about this uh in um the Daily Callery.
53:47
It was called Trump Dismantles Climate Industrial Complex, and I'll link to that under the podcast.
53:52
Not only did they predict a new ice age by now, but NCAR uh climate legend, Steven Schneider, he predicted that global warming would cause the entire east coast to be flooded within decades.
54:04
That was in 1970, so right about now, okay.
54:08
And and here's something also that I find kind of fun talking about forecasts, because of course, as I say, the whole climate scare is based on forecast.
54:15
Yeah, Al Gore Al Gore said at the 2009 UN Copenhagen climate conference, which I went to, which was really a joke.
54:23
The biggest conference in the history of the world to that point, telling people they shouldn't fly.
54:28
And you know, tens of thousands of people flew in.
54:31
He said that researchers are saying that it's 75% likely that the Arctic will be ice free by 2014 to 2016.
54:40
So I asked Microsoft Copilot, okay, in reality, what was the lowest ice cover in the summer, and how big was it?
54:49
The ice that was left.
54:50
I remember Al Gore said that by 2014, 2016, it'd be all gone.
54:55
September 2012, there was 3.39 million square kilometers.
55:00
That's bigger than India, twice the size of Alaska.
55:03
It's about the same size as the European Union.
55:06
Being in Texas, you'd like this.
55:07
It's about the size of five Texases, and there was supposed to be no ice at all.
55:12
And that's what they've had.
55:14
And the minimum period was 13 years ago.
55:17
So I mean, the climate scare is based on forecasts that are clearly ridiculous and are not coming true.
55:24
So I mean, when are people going to wake up to this?
55:26
I I think you just have to keep doing what we're doing right now.
55:29
And yeah, I I would always say, and I know we've got to go here, but like with oceans, I've always been kind of fascinated with the oceans.
55:35
And you know, the biggest that we know of, the biggest mountain in the world is not Mount Everest, it's in the ocean.
55:42
Um the biggest caverns.
55:44
Um, I think I've read too that we we've only explored, I think it's no more than 30% of oceans, meaning how far we've gone down.
55:55
So you're gonna tell me that you can predict how something that we've not even looked at more than 20 or 30 percent.
56:04
It it goes when you when you say these things out loud.
56:07
I have a I like to do this, go say it out loud.
56:10
How am I going to predict how something it's it's almost going, oh, you know, I'm gonna predict how this person's gonna turn out, but I've only known them for 20 or 30 minutes versus someone that's known for 20 or 30 years.
56:24
It is well, yeah, and that it's it's ridiculous.
56:27
Yeah, and and actually that's a good analogy because I mean the amount of data we have before about 1960 is practically none, you know.
56:36
And you look at maps of the world that show where the temperature sensing stations are before 1960, I mean, most of the world had no data at all, you know, and it's ridiculous.
56:46
So, Todd, we have to wrap up now, unfortunately.
56:48
But uh, next week we have John Draw is coming in, and he's gonna talk about how the K to 12 education system is now not teaching students how to think, but what to think.
57:00
It's all propaganda brainwashing.
57:02
So that would be an interesting joke.
57:04
Great.
57:05
Yeah, so this is Tom Harrison, Michael Hosad Royal signing out from the other side of the story.