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The Blog Era · Hip-Hop Now Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Whatever. Y'all, welcome to another episode of That Time in
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  Speaker 1: hip Hop, a podcast YouTube video all about the history
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  Speaker 1: and nostalgia of hip hop, but most importantly, preservation of
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  Speaker 1: hip hop music and culture. With me as always, It's
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  Speaker 1: the Homies, my partner in crime on this podcast seventy
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  Speaker 1: something episodes Tony from Into the Dome Podcast. What's good? Bro?
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  Speaker 2: What's good?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 2: Look, I'm drinking. You probably can't.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, there there's water because I did thirty five miles
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  Speaker 3: about two hours ago with the group Man, and you know,
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  Speaker 3: had I drunk a fake beer is what I call it?
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  Speaker 3: Not alcohol beverage beer, but it's not I got a
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  Speaker 3: beer thirty five calagories because I gotta stay a certain
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  Speaker 3: weight as we start getting prepared for the spring Man,
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  Speaker 3: because you know, Robert was pretty fast dudes, man, so.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I gotta keep it light man.
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  Speaker 3: So tonight, unlike last year, I would have my hazy
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  Speaker 3: I PA. I had to get off the hazy ip
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  Speaker 3: as now light loggers of water, Bro, Ben, Well, I'm
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  Speaker 3: good now you do it, man.
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  Speaker 1: You got it? You got to, man, I got I
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  Speaker 1: got a little bit of water, you know, but the
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  Speaker 1: water's head because the bourbon's head awesome.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh look, man, I went
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  Speaker 3: to a bourbon shriff man about a month ago. Man,
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  Speaker 3: one of my guys. Man, he lived probably about five
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  Speaker 3: miles away. He's a big bourbon collector. His man came
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  Speaker 3: is insane with the bourbon man. So I was never
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  Speaker 3: really a big bourbon guy. Man, but he really been
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  Speaker 3: educated me more lately. Man, and a nice bourbon that's
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  Speaker 3: real smooth man. It's a good look.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, a little nice separate. You don't need it, like,
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  Speaker 1: let it a little bit the aromas it yeah, Like
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  Speaker 1: I kind of got shout out to YouTube. One of
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  Speaker 1: the great things about the internet, right when you don't
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  Speaker 1: know about certain shit, you just watch a couple of
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  Speaker 1: reviews and he like, shit, I think I'm about to
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  Speaker 1: go get me something. Yeah, I mean I've been I've
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  Speaker 1: been doing it for a little while. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I don't drink lot, to be honest, so it stays
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  Speaker 1: in my crib. But now and again it's nice to
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  Speaker 1: you know, pull it out one a little set, a
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  Speaker 1: little buzz while you watch the game. You know you
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  Speaker 1: can do that all right. For those of y'all watching
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  Speaker 1: who may not know this is that time and hip
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  Speaker 1: hop again. We've done so many different episodes, not only
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  Speaker 1: about albums or record labels, or artists or moguls or
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  Speaker 1: films within hip hop music and culture, but it's all
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  Speaker 1: about taking that historical context providing something that's more truthful.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. We do our research. We
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  Speaker 1: live through a lot of it also, so we have
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  Speaker 1: our own perspectives. You know what I'm saying. I'm from
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  Speaker 1: New York City, he's from North Carolina. So there you are.
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  Speaker 1: You have another perspective. Also, we could have easily did
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  Speaker 1: all North Carolina show or all New York City show,
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  Speaker 1: but that's not the point. Hip hop is for everybody.
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  Speaker 1: And if you look at the episodes we've done thus far,
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  Speaker 1: we've covered so many people that people like to bring up. Right,
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  Speaker 1: y'all want to argue about him? We did an episode
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  Speaker 1: on that, Yes, we want to argue about Mace. We
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  Speaker 1: covered that. Y'all want to argue about Big Al We
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  Speaker 1: covered that also. Jermaine dupri keeps going and going, and
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  Speaker 1: last year, after taking a little bit of a break,
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  Speaker 1: we did some very dope episodes from Loud Records to
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  Speaker 1: Racus Buu Tang Forever album we talked about in detail
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  Speaker 1: and in more recent times Drake versus Kendrick, right, because
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  Speaker 1: that's just one of the most historical battles of all time.
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  Speaker 1: We're still arguing about it. Yeah, and so I think
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  Speaker 1: you know if you should definitely check those out. The
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  Speaker 1: playlist is right here on hip Hop Now podcast. You
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  Speaker 1: can check out all the episodes, you can comment, we
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  Speaker 1: check out the men. You can follow us on social
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  Speaker 1: media and do the same thing. Because really about preserving
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  Speaker 1: the culture, talking about the culture in detail and just
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  Speaker 1: making sure you know, we don't let those people that
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  Speaker 1: like to rewrite history get to say because gotta stop it. Ha, right,
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  Speaker 1: this is what happened. This is actually what happened. Actually,
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  Speaker 1: speaking of what happened in hip hop. January twenty eighth,
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  Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight, Rock Him Alive was born.
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  Speaker 2: Tone.
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  Speaker 1: There's so much that we've said about this man and
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  Speaker 1: on our podcast, other podcasts, this podcast, but just rock
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  Speaker 1: Him in general, what you think means to hip hop,
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  Speaker 1: what he means to you as a hip hop fan,
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  Speaker 1: and what are like three of your favorite songs for me?
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  Speaker 2: Man shout out to the r Man listen.
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  Speaker 3: Being in junior high in high school being turned on
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  Speaker 3: the you know, to pay them for follow the leader.
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  Speaker 3: Don't let the rhythm hit him, don't swear to tell
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  Speaker 3: ni all of this stuff like that, Man, rock Yim
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  Speaker 3: was one of the guys man the r the goddam
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  Speaker 3: see for a reason. He is one of the ones
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  Speaker 3: who shifted, you know what I'm saying, the climb of
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  Speaker 3: the hip hop in terms of lyricism and flow. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: before him, you did have you know your casts Mo
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  Speaker 3: D even a l you know what I'm saying, And
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  Speaker 3: I'm missing someone of that said cast.
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  Speaker 2: Mo D Mini male.
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  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, a lot of those guys
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  Speaker 3: and even like I said, run them see as.
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  Speaker 2: Well, like they had a certain style. Man and rock
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  Speaker 2: Him slowed it all down, just like.
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  Speaker 3: When Marlon Marble he said when he when he listened
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  Speaker 3: to uh, was it chick out my melody?
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  Speaker 2: Something like that, He was like this, dude, it's too slow,
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  Speaker 2: don't you know what I'm saying, kind of thing like
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  Speaker 2: you robbing too slow? You know what I'm saying. But
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  Speaker 2: rock Him got a lot of people didn't get it,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. And then nest thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: a whole generation is influence.
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  Speaker 3: You know, of course they influenced by him and others
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  Speaker 3: from his era, but he is one of the ones
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  Speaker 3: that people go to to say he's he's that standard man.
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  Speaker 3: And and I remember writing one of my first articles
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  Speaker 3: on Into the Dome dot com Bo was rock Kim
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  Speaker 3: the Miles Davids a hip hop you know what I'm saying,
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  Speaker 3: because same way Miles had kind of blue you know
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  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, every bing Rocky Man paid him full,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. And for some people younger
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  Speaker 3: who'll be listening to this episode, paid him for my
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  Speaker 3: people was the first illmatic the same way people saying
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  Speaker 3: ill manic shifted lyricism down, well, rock him had done
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  Speaker 3: that quite a few years before that. Were paid him
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  Speaker 3: for just just the humble brother. I remember meeting him
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  Speaker 3: here in North Carolina at a concert, you know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying. It was a small it was a small,
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  Speaker 3: nice venue, man. And at the at the at the end,
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  Speaker 3: he came through and starts showing people love man. And
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  Speaker 3: you know, I was able, you know, dapping pound him,
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  Speaker 3: say what I say to him, man, And he was
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  Speaker 3: like what I expected, man, just a real laid back
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  Speaker 3: cool Humber Brother definitely has a presence.
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  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. He's who you think ROCKI
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  Speaker 2: will be. And it ain't always like that, because sometimes
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  Speaker 2: don't meet your heroes.
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  Speaker 3: Bro, you know what I'm saying, Like you'll be let
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  Speaker 3: gown and you both of us have met plenty of people,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, But everybody you don't leave
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  Speaker 3: a certain impression.
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  Speaker 2: Man, and rock Kim was exactly who I thought he was. Man.
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  Speaker 3: And as far as three favorite songs that come to mind,
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  Speaker 3: firsus the Microphone theme, you know what I'm saying, because
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  Speaker 3: obviously that's another song that people study a lot of
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  Speaker 3: your favorites from the night and studied rock Kim studied
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  Speaker 3: Father Leader especially, you know what I'm saying, But that joint.
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  Speaker 3: Another song later in his career from the album The
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  Speaker 3: Master is a song called Waiting for the World to End,
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  Speaker 3: produced by DJ Premier. You know what I'm saying, And
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  Speaker 3: just real quick I said, he said something like through
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  Speaker 3: my travels, I trying to take righteous steps because right
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  Speaker 3: and left could mean life for death and he just
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  Speaker 3: goes into the whole crazy flow. But each I love
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  Speaker 3: the song, Man, and it's really introspective and then finally
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  Speaker 3: Man go on to the album doing swell to technique
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  Speaker 3: number one, what's on your mind? Say in the subway
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  Speaker 3: on the way to Brooklyn, Hello, good looking, this seat.
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  Speaker 3: Took it on the A train picking up the brain.
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  Speaker 3: Couldn't get another, couldn't get a name. You know what
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  Speaker 3: I'm saying, And that was walk him to it. You
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  Speaker 3: get the hardcore joints without cursing, and he can also
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  Speaker 3: do joints for the chicks, but it was still mellow
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  Speaker 3: and smooth as well.
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  Speaker 2: Man, watch your thoughts on rock hill Man, vegue, Man,
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  Speaker 2: and your three songs will come to minus anything else
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  Speaker 2: you want to say about the God.
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  Speaker 1: Man. Man, I'm just like you, man, Like you know,
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  Speaker 1: I heard them early. This is probably like you know,
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  Speaker 1: parties and block parties as a kid, just hearing the
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  Speaker 1: different records playing on the radio and watching you know,
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  Speaker 1: older brothers, older cousins react to it, you know, kind
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  Speaker 1: of influenced like y'o. I think it's dope, but they
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  Speaker 1: think it's crazy also, And like you said, for those
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  Speaker 1: who don't know. For one, he put out a great
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  Speaker 1: biography a couple of years ago that I did a
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  Speaker 1: review on that if you want to know who rock
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  Speaker 1: Him is and the method to its madness is perfect.
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  Speaker 1: He breaks down lyrics all kinds of stuff. But that's
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  Speaker 1: one of the things that you know, people need to
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  Speaker 1: understand when you say rock Kim changed the game. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they got to look at how people were rhyming before
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  Speaker 1: rock Him, and more importantly, his technique. His technique wasn't
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  Speaker 1: just I'm gonna just rhyme a different way. You know.
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  Speaker 1: He was a jazz head inspired by John Coltrane. And
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  Speaker 1: in the book they show how he writes his rhymes.
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  Speaker 1: I swear I've never seen anybody write rhymes that look
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  Speaker 1: like equations, right, you know what I'm saying. Like it
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  Speaker 1: was crazy because he would put his inflections within the rhymes,
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  Speaker 1: like for me, as an MC, I just remember how
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  Speaker 1: I said it, and I remember where I want my
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  Speaker 1: inflections to go. Now. Rock Ken was writing everything in
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  Speaker 1: his rhymes. So and again, you know, just a history
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  Speaker 1: of very dope music, classic albums, classic songs for me,
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  Speaker 1: top three ever be as President. Just something about that
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  Speaker 1: record and hearing those lyrics on the first time where
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, Yo, nobody's rapping like this, Like
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  Speaker 1: what is he talking? About especially when you go back,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, damn, when was this? What year? Microphone theme
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  Speaker 1: like that? Bet Oh my god. I remember, like Thurston
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  Speaker 1: to see the video, black and white video and all
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  Speaker 1: of that and the last one, and I think this
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  Speaker 1: kind of crept into I mean, obviously we got a
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  Speaker 1: bunch of favorites, but this probably crept him to my
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  Speaker 1: top three getting I just didn't pay attention to that
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  Speaker 1: record as much when it came out. It was just,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it was a new rock record, was dope.
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  Speaker 1: But as I got older and lyrics got more complicated,
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  Speaker 1: and I go back and listen, I'm like, yeah, do
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  Speaker 1: you hear what rock yim is saying?
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  Speaker 2: And how it still stands today? It's still today.
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  Speaker 1: It transmits man, right, Like you said, it's timeless music.
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  Speaker 1: And I just hope people appreciate him in his pen
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  Speaker 1: while he's here, which I'm seeing a lot of that
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  Speaker 1: on social media, but I don't want to see the
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming stuff when you know, the brother eventually, like I
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  Speaker 1: saw transition, I think he need all that love right now.
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  Speaker 2: And let me say it's too real quick bag.
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  Speaker 3: You know, I posted probably about a year or two
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  Speaker 3: ago that you know, rock Hemp has been my godm
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  Speaker 3: see since the late eighties, all the way up until
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  Speaker 3: Nis took that throne from him. For me doing this
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  Speaker 3: King Disease run, I think around the time when I
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  Speaker 3: listened to Kings Disease three all the way through Roden
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  Speaker 3: commuting one day, I was like, you know what, I
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  Speaker 3: think Anakin's you know, I think Anakin Skywalker finally killed everyone.
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  Speaker 2: Kenobi man, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: And that's a that's a beautiful thing because Nas is
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  Speaker 3: from a school of Rock him. He said that before
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  Speaker 3: Nas missed his favorite season, rockim was his favorite them
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  Speaker 3: see for the most part, along with g rap scar
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  Speaker 3: Faced ice Cube and I want to individual rights ecase
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  Speaker 3: me right now.
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  Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that's how I revered rock him.
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  Speaker 3: He was literally the Golden Sea to me all the
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  Speaker 3: way through high junior, high school, high school, college up
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  Speaker 3: to a grown man. I'm forty nine now. That didn't
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  Speaker 3: change till I was like forty seven years old. You
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I felt like Nas kind of
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  Speaker 3: eclipped him as his understudy, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 3: So that's a beautiful thing, because someone has to eclip
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  Speaker 3: everyone at some point and what a profession.
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  Speaker 2: But man, the rock to god rock him man, Like
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  Speaker 2: you said, Man, we really can't say enough about it. Man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Man, happy birthday to him. He's birthday. Man, it's
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  Speaker 1: fifty years old. It's beautiful, still nice and young, still
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  Speaker 1: out there, you know. And supposedly he I know, he
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  Speaker 1: released an album last year, but supposedly has another album
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  Speaker 1: that's coming out that's.
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  Speaker 2: More collaboration that you did with.
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  Speaker 1: More producer than rapper. But supposedly have actual albums dropping soon,
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  Speaker 1: so we'll be on the lookout for that. What are
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  Speaker 1: your favorite or three favorite rock cam records of all time?
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  Speaker 1: Leave your comments in the comments section below. Well, we'll
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  Speaker 1: love to know. Like, no, the leges on your list.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he got plenty, he got plenty of them,
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  Speaker 1: many joints, so let us know. Uh, now we're going
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  Speaker 1: to get into the main topic of this episode. You
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  Speaker 1: saw the title, you saw the cover, you know what
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. And and then hip hop in general. You know,
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  Speaker 1: there are a lot of errors Golden eras and the
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  Speaker 1: Death Row era and the bad Boy era or the
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  Speaker 1: Shiny Suit era or whatever, but there's a more recent
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  Speaker 1: ever that now when we look back it was kind
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  Speaker 1: of it was kind of crazy, and I think we
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  Speaker 1: need to just you know, put a microscope on it
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  Speaker 1: and really talk about it. Tone, tell us what we're
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  Speaker 1: here to talk about today.
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  Speaker 3: You know, when you first brought this to my attention,
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  Speaker 3: it made me really think of remember this a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Like at some point, man, like there was a big
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  Speaker 3: shift in music. But we talking about hip hop to
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  Speaker 3: this because about the shift in hip hop, Like at
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  Speaker 3: some point when the blog ever started, and I don't
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  Speaker 3: even know what we didn't even really call it that then.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was different names and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 3: But when it started, music changed because a few things happened.
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  Speaker 3: Mag one, A lot of strangers who have never been
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  Speaker 3: able to communicate with each other start being able to
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  Speaker 3: talk to each other, you know, people from different states,
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  Speaker 3: people And at some point, because of the Internet, people
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  Speaker 3: from all over the world who had a common interest
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  Speaker 3: got a chance to like drain message boards and blogs
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  Speaker 3: and stuff like that. Have your user name, your past word.
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  Speaker 3: You could name yourself, you know, after your favorite Biggie
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  Speaker 3: two twenty one, you know what I mean, A rapper
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  Speaker 3: if you want, oh, you could be yourself. And most
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  Speaker 3: of the cases me personally, I was always Tony, you
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  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. So, but you could communicate, talk
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  Speaker 3: about the music that you loved, another thing a DV
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  Speaker 3: For some artists they decided to get involved. Now you
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  Speaker 3: actually had access to talk to some of your favorite rappers,
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  Speaker 3: some of your favorite producers, from some of your favorite DJs,
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  Speaker 3: people who was in the industry, maybe managers, people who
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  Speaker 3: was you know, saying writers and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 3: So open up that whole communication that was never there
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  Speaker 3: before in music because at one point you saw musicians
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  Speaker 3: on TV, you saw an interview, you know, so people
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  Speaker 3: in the industry in general, and then or you had
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  Speaker 3: to go to a meet and greet or when they
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  Speaker 3: had a rookerd release, or or maybe they had some
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  Speaker 3: meet and greet after a concert vegue. But now with
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  Speaker 3: the blog era, it brought everyone together in terms of
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  Speaker 3: like you had the opportunity to talk to people. And man,
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  Speaker 3: we're gonna get into like different websites and blogs and
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  Speaker 3: all this stuff like that, man, But for you, and
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about early two thousands of people were talking
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  Speaker 3: about two thousand thousand and one. Some of it started,
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  Speaker 3: some of the message boards started as early as ninety
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  Speaker 3: nine two thousands, like right doing the whole party, when Naps,
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  Speaker 3: the lawnemarder and.
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  Speaker 2: All that start. Message boards started doing that time.
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  Speaker 3: Man, So for you vegue when you first started, Do
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  Speaker 3: you remember the first one and when you first started.
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  Speaker 2: Getting to the message boards and blogs and stuff. What
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  Speaker 2: was your thoughts?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like when you talking like ninety nine two thousand,
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  Speaker 1: I was on the radio and be more doing the
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  Speaker 1: hip Hop show. So we stayed in chat rooms, you know, y'all,
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  Speaker 1: yeah rooms and yep, stuff like that. And I remember
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  Speaker 1: even one time shout out to Little Mike, who was
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  Speaker 1: a DJ on the show, but he knew he had
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  Speaker 1: some technical proudness. He was like, Yo, you know I
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  Speaker 1: could stream the show to the internet and set up
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  Speaker 1: a live chat room for it. Now, it lasted one show,
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  Speaker 1: but it was good because they shut us down, the
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  Speaker 1: school shut us down there, but that one night being
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  Speaker 1: able to connect with people before Twitter. You know what
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know, you going live, you're playing music,
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: You're getting instant reactions, they talking to you, you're talking
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: to them. So I just thought it was great, even
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: to your point with just kind of looking at the
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: landscape of hip hop heads being able to connect because
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you're not even thinking, you're just connecting with different people.
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: Then you realize, like, oh, you know, it's a bunch
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: of hip hop heads on this chat room or whatever.
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: But I think the one thing that I really got
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: into early in that era was my Space because at
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: first it was just you know, the nice little set
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: of profile kind of thing. But I remember at some
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: point I started posting content, right, songs I had been
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: making at the time, and one artist in particular who
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: I discovered through my Space and did a lot of
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: back and forth because to your point, it was Jay Electronica,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: by the way. But to your point, back then, you
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: just messaged dudes like and shit and that's it, you
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So you're right. I mean that early,
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: that early early Internet, that early interaction between people, especially
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: on the hip hop side. Uh, it was. It was
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: a fun time. It was a glorious time because it
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: was new for everybody.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And man, speaking of my Space real quick, because you know,
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: at my Space used to add your butt, your top
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: eight and all the.
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: Stuff like that or whatever. But my Space at one
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: point was really utilized by a lot of people in
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the industry. You know what I'm saying. Then and a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: lot of people you know, would speak back to you,
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: real comeback, comment to you, and and just real quick
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: and just outside of outside of hip hop, real quick
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: my space at one point man me and because I
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: used to write poetry, you know what I'm saying. And
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: so the Chico the Bars who you know if you
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: know that the Bar's family and Chico had issues when
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: they came out with that album and at late nineties,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: Long Time No See and then him and held the
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: Bars did the album it sound like some Danzelo type.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: It was an amazing album and that was Chico's own one.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: But me and Chico used to communicate pretty often on
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: my Space because of that, even to the point when
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: this is my point of saying, as people were. At
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: one point he was doing a show in Raleigh, North Carolina, Lina,
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: and because our relationship on my Space, he hit me
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: one time on my Space say hey man, you moret
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: to welcome to the to the to the concert, man
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: like come to the bat Man. We know we hanged.
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: Unfortunately that wicked. I was going out of town, you
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I was going out of state
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: for for something a family situation or whatever, and I
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: couldn't go.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: But that was just the thing.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: And then of course after that, because he had a
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: lot of these fight like demons, after that, he kind
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: of fell out of touch.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Man.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: I never had you know, didn't really speak to him
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: a lot after that. But that's an example of of
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: places like my space where you could really talk to people,
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and some people was very cool and humble and they
• 20:17
  Speaker 3: appreciated any feedback on their music and or whatever else
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: they was doing. I know you've probably seen that with
• 20:22
  Speaker 3: some people in Vegas well, man, But I also like
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: to say this too.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You know, during that time, one of the communities and
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: we go in.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: Detail about at some point that I really want to
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: shout out to as far as that missus board and blog,
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: Arett was okay player, you know what I'm saying. Because
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: you know, of course Love started that joint way back
• 20:42
  Speaker 3: way back in the day, but in nineteen like ninety nine,
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: he started that message boarding. Okay player, you know what
• 20:47
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. And that was really for a lot of
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: the lot of the soul a quorium or whatever got
• 20:52
  Speaker 3: people with like the roots and and all these kind
• 20:54
  Speaker 3: of people like that.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: The deal with type people. A lot of those type
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of people are all okay player, you know what I'm saying.
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: Like when I was on our man uh Tyler Quali
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: was only a lot.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Nice one was on there a lot. The Little Brother
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: was on.
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: Now I think like like people like you know, people
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: like Slum Village and a bunch of underground had they
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: common became a couple of times, and you know, like
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: like most a lot of people became an okay player
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: and were really active. I blacked out off if I'm
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: not mistaken, Like some of them did boards and subjects
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and stuff like that and brought up conversation and we
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: would all go there and talk and they all kept responding.
• 21:28
  Speaker 3: I mean, it was a real good community and will
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: bring you closer to the artists. And what another thing
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: that it made you do also is if you vibing
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: right with the right people, and it'll make you support
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: their music even more.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: And so that's one of the things I noticed, you
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Okay player, And of course sometimes
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: too it could make you love or hate certain artists,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: But nevertheless, that.
• 21:52
  Speaker 3: Access started way back in the blog era. And it
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: was the precursor to what we see now with twit
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: on ig and all that. It was the beginning stages
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: of that communication.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and it's easy to forget about it, you
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: know what. Yeah, Twitter and Instagram and all these other
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: sites have become these other things that they're those experiences
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: but even more and you can share even more of yourself.
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: But you're right because even on hip hop websites, comments
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: sections sometimes became pleas to go hang out and voice
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: opinions and that real quick for those who don't know.
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: Like early on in that era, sure, I was doing
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: a radio show and all of that, but once I
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: left the radio show maybe around two thousand and two
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: and I started helping to produce it, I spent a
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: lot of my time on the Internet because of the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: napsters and you know, and shout out to Boxton Ye
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: around forever. I think I still have an account like
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: in these different social places, because it was like you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: were tapping into the hip hop community and you were
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: getting music before it was out. You know what I'm
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: saying that we had a radio show where there was
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: no strings attached, so we was playing whatever. But it
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: really had me like hunkering to the to the internet
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: at different sites, and even though I wasn't on Okay Player,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: you know, it was all these other places where there
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: was a lot of the same things were happening. And
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: I don't think people understand, like how you like, how
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: revolutionary that was, even at that early stage, you know
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, to have that kind of interaction, like
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: to your point, especially with the artist you're listening to it,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: So yeah, and a lot of those a lot of
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: those guys at that time too.
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: And I'm just using Okay Players that we got other
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: places we'll talk about too, but I'm using an example
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: because certain artists sometimes will come on there and like
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: let's say, just working on an album, they might put
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: a song on there, you know what I'm saying, Like,
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: you know, or a producer might put a beat on
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: that and be like, Yo, this is one jump I'm
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: working on or whatever. So it was also giving you
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: You're was able to not only talk to artists and
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: other fans and stuff, and even some fans who were
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: aspiring MC's or aspiring producing stuff. Some of them would share,
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, that or like Hey, I
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: email you you know, whatever the case may be. I mean,
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: got these are early stages of stuff. People you know
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, but you know they'll find a way
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: to even people.
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: It was even like Yo, I'll mail you my CD
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: or my tape or whatever the case may be. Man.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: So these early stages Man really laid the groundwork for
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: for where.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: We are now.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: Speaks because speaking of the music, Man, you remember like
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: how dope that pith was.
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: Man, that piff was like my lifeblood for my.
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: God, they had everything on there.
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: Man, thing was on there.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Too.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Shout out to that pith Man because it was like
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: the plug because for those who don't know, you know,
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: if you go into let's say that really actually the
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: late eighties, maybe even mid eighties, maybe further than that,
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: but definitely in the late eighties and absolutely in the nineties,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: mixtapes were like you gotta go to like New York, yeah,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: and on the street you gotta be like, give me
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: that clue, give me that SNA's that ron g K
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: caprija like you got right, or if you were like
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: and not just college, but just using it as an example,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: if you were in college, maybe you couldn't go but
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: your homie from NYEP, you know, he going up there,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: he bringing everything back. It was kind of like that
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: was how you got to almost anything and everything, which
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: meant you didn't know get to it, you didn't always
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: hear everything. That PITH was like that worldwide. It was
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, like.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: You could get everything on that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, you know what's crazy about that pill too,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Like and I'm gonna get into like mixtapes and certain
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: mixtapes to really kind of like albums with original music.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: That pip had, those artists putting stuff on that pip.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: It wasn't like over.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Like the Benjamin's are over like some It was original
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: music like artist worked from famous artists to like mid
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: tier to like really onderground people or that really good
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: projects on that of original music.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: It was. It was.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: It was incredible, man, it was unbelievable because I just
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: I remember, you know, having worked in radio at that
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: point in time, especially like on a hip hop show.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: I kept thinking to myself, like, man, these regulabels gonna
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: shut this ship down because this is basically like an
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: album or in some cases this is better than the
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: official Yeah, and I think it was also dope for
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: like new artists, you know, artists who are up and
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: coming who really embraced yeah era of music. But it
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: was a gold mine, you know what I'm saying to
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: go there and just what then they have like a
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: release day I think too, like a Friday or something crazy.
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: It might have.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what, man. I hate to say
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: this because you know, I don't get me wrong. I
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: went to the record store and spend thousands of dollars in
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: the nineties and early two thousands on music. In the
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: nineties when I was a college student. And I've said
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: this on podcasts before. We had a spot called school Kids.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: You know, right right across streetro my school, and I
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: went to every Tuesday and spend months over from the university.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: So I don't get wrong, I wasn't one hundred percent pirate,
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: but at the same time, I'm doing doing that era
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: when you had all those national type things and even
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: having something like that pill.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought, man, you remember we used to go
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: to you go to Walmart and you.
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: Buy one hundred old CDs, man, and I'm gonna I'm
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: gonna burn off every last one.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: Of these damn CDs.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, it's gonna be a nice
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: magic Markle this, this is that new so and so,
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: this is so you know, and I still got I
• 28:07
  Speaker 3: probably got a thousand of them in my basement put it.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: I swear to god. Oh I saw want the boxes today.
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm It was heavy ship but uh anyway,
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: so but yeah, man, like it was especially aspiring guys
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: who was really trying to get their name out there.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: They was releasing a lot of Some of them had
• 28:27
  Speaker 3: like five or six projects on there.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Right one arts might have five mixtapes on.
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: Them, right with you? When you think about it, ton,
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: as much as we talk about like damn all these
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: artists releasing multiple albums per year, that's how it was.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Kind of way it started, you know what I'm saying,
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Like we're really coming full stark. Yeah, that mixtape, that
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: mixtape era. Maybe that's what it is, you know, not
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: to jump ahead, but maybe that's what it is. When
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: sometimes we have a disdain for the amount of projects
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: being released, but it's I guess it's because it's being
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: released officially as opposed to when they were doing it
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: on that pif. We didn't complain it at all.
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: No, we didn't know. And that's why.
• 29:13
  Speaker 3: That's why sometimes as we get older, we're not Sometimes
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: older guys older guess not but the young fans.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: But we did the same thing.
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean? Like again, who's on
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: that pill? I'm I'm in one weekend, I might have
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: burned down fifteen cities.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I posted a couple too, like a shout out
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: to kill. Some of some of our early albums happened
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: during the blog era, and they were right there on
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that pif for everybody else. One thing I wanted to
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: point out also just about the whole blog situation. But
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: after I stopped producing because I moved to New Jersey
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: in like seven, But after I stopped for the hip
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: hop show, you know, I was on Twitter early. I
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: don't know when it started, but it was early early.
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: I remember one of the dudes who used to listen
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: to the show found me on Twitter and he was like, damn,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: you know I missed this one segment you used to
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: do on the show. I wish there was a way
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: you could still do that. And then that's when I
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, I could create a blog. I could
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: you know podcasting was early, but I already knew about it,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: already had content to go towards. Like I used to
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: do this podcast called damn what's the name of it now?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I can't one to flow on right, And I used
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: to write for radio. I used to write, literally write
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: the segment and all it was was a pick a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: topic for the week, write about it my opinion obviously,
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: and record it well, you know, little things with the
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: audio and stuff like that. So it was kind of
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like podcast ready at the time. Short form what. I
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: had a blog called hip Hop Politic dot com that essentially,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: if you follow me on ig, Twitter, blue Sky, whatever
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: or YouTube, all my opinions and the content and what
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: I'm listening to. That's what the blog was. Literally everything
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: like Tumblr and stuff like that, word Press and blogger
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: shout out to kill because he also had We'll make
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: beets for food back in the blog era. Also, it
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: was interesting because it was dope to like create content
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: for hip hop heads, right and back then people would read,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: you know, people were reading, so you know, I was
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: writing and every now and again, you know that might
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: be an image of something like that. But I think
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: it got to a point with the blog era, and
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: honestly you could thank world Star and probably two.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: Dope Boys world Star, Two Dope Boards.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: That shit was just put the video up with the titles.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: That's it, yep, And they killed that blogging shit in
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: hip hop, all that writing. They killed it because people
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: were more like eager to jump at oh the new
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: video or yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: It was a shift, you know, for better or for worse.
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Man On one end, it was like, okay, so now
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: y'all was too latey to read with readers front of member.
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: You need to be still reading and keep yourself sharp.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: But now it's kind of like I'm going to World
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: Star watch this video. And at some point world Star
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: the popularity went through the roof and some of the
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: content became a little sideway outside of just music. And
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I'm like, man, now's going
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: different direction where I can appreciate when it was like, oh,
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: a lot of exclusive, like if you're in somebody's studio
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: or some u in some kind of video or something
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: like that. But then it became just kind of like
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: more or the pop culture, which I mean, at some
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: points things grow, you know what I'm saying, I probably stopped,
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: you know, visiting the pages at that point. It's a
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: lot less than you know, I initially did. But you know,
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: it was monumental man world Star was. And then it
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: got to a point where you got world Star, you
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: know what I mean, basically like.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: Yo, you don't want to be on World Star. No.
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: So it went through a lot of transitions from being
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: very interested in of music and just you know, did
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a pop culture.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: Then some of the streets.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: That involved in World Star is like Okay, you don't
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: want to get knocked out me on World Star, Nope.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: And then it became whatever it became.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: What it became. And you know, for a lot of
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: people too, they forget that it was called world Star
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: hip hop. It was, That's what it was. But to
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: Tone's point, you know, once somebody getting jumped in and
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: I probably started with some celebrity or some rapper, and
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: it just became a thing because of the numbers it
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: would do, and especially to dope boys, because one thing
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: too Dope Boys made me change my blog at the
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: time because I was like, you know, maybe I start
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: stopped writing so much and I'll just focus I'll write
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: for like a big topic, but I gotta post videos.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I gotta because everybody's over there for that thing, and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: all they got is a title, not even a catchy
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: title or title in the video, like and they're killing
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: us man.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny to think about how you know you
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: was involved back then and with me. I used to
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: post a lot of different topics, like, for example, the
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: news episode of the Dome podcast was track for track
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: reasonable Doubt ords.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: It was written I posted earlier today, but then I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: thought about it.
• 34:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I hope. I think it's pretty interesting. You get
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: a chance, you know, people check it out, man, Like
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: a sequence is back one to track one, all the
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: way down to track fourteen.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. But my point is going
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: back to okay player.
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: I remember doing a post of like it was written
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: versus Reason without back in like two thousand and two,
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: an okay player. You know what I'm saying that had
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: everybody to arguing about it is you know it's I
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: gave you.
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: Power better than Canna lib.
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: I mean whatever, we was doing this people when you
• 35:21
  Speaker 3: see us on Twitter doing this and now I was.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Doing this with people an Okay player in two thousand
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: and two.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, so some of those people
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: when I started my Twitter page and they.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: Gotta get I guess people. More and more people start
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: following me.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: So most people found me from Okay Player, they find
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: from from my Space, they find me from that I
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: Am No website. It was a Missus boll A NOAs
• 35:43
  Speaker 3: missus boy back after steal Madic that man that I
• 35:47
  Speaker 3: don't know who created it because he wasn't over there,
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: but man, it was busy and power.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: I liked it, man, So we was doing all this
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: stuff way back there.
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: Man, So to the earlier points like it open up
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: men a whole new world of people being able to
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: share ideas and people from different coasts, you know what
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: I'm saying.
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: People and people all over the world. You know what
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: I'm saying.
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: See how people perspect the world about certain artists and
• 36:10
  Speaker 3: certain albums, and then we notice how big the.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: Underground artists were over in Europe.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, in Africa, we learned a lot of camp what's
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: seeing and more, more and more because of the message boards.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, which is which is crazy because like you said,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: like I like, I follow a lot of technology just
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: because I like it. I like a lot of tech,
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: but it's it's crazy to think about ever in hip
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: hop where it kind of influenced the game. Yeah, because
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: you like, for example, and I'm not really trying to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: harp on them or nothing like that, but when you
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: see certain rappers complaining about you know, still using the
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: term bloggers, which is crazy, uh when they ain't really
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: blogs like that, but they'll get upset, you know, with
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: fans voicing opinions. And it's like Tone just said, these
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: conversations been happening in chat rooms and some years right
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: like twenty something years ago, this is the this is
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: the world of online now and it's just a little
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: bit more direct with some more tools, but it's the
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: same conversation, you know what I'm saying. But one thing
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Tone that obviously when we think about the blogs and
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: the conversations and and uh, what is the name of
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: that other joint? I know there was Dad Pitch, but
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: there was another one like hip Hop Mixtapes dot Com
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: something like that.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: Man, that's quite a few after the big ones that
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: we named. Some of the name is skating right now.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: So as soon as we've been in the court of
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: some of us are.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Popular the head. But there's quite a few of them.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Man, Fox was a big one.
• 38:00
  Speaker 3: And then you know, and then just the other uh
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: hip hop websites that had missus boys like you know
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: you had hip Hop d X, Yes, SOS.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Dot com, r all hip Hop dot dot com.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: That's that's three more right there. I mean it was,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: it was quite a few. Were the main ones?
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those were those were the main joints. Let's talk
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: about what the blogs as well as sites like that,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Pith like the people who reigned supreme during the blog
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: era with their mixtapes and mixtape series and artists we
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: were introduced to. What what did you feel about that?
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Proper people? And I'll just throw a few names out
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: there for people like kid Cully was getting busy around
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: that time with mea Currency, Lil Wayne, Jcob, Drake, wile
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: At Kendrick, Meet Mile, Joe Budden, Percy, and the list
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: goes on to be out of Joe Biden right then,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: I said, I said, Joe Buddy.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Said Joe Buddy.
• 39:08
  Speaker 3: What what it did was, for one, some of them,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: as famous as they are now, some of them won
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: the famous back then.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: So that this is when they started. Some of these
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: guys grown, you know what I'm saying, Like, so you
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: hear these big, huge.
• 39:22
  Speaker 3: Names now, you know what I'm saying, These some of
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: them moguls now, but everybody start somewhere and say everybody
• 39:28
  Speaker 3: crawl before they started walking and running, you know what
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: I'm saying. So during this time, you ask somebody like
• 39:33
  Speaker 3: Joe Butden, you know what I'm saying, Like dude could
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: really spit, you know what I'm saying. His mixtape series
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: stuff like that really put him on the on the
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: map with with spinners. But you know, Lil Wayne was
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: always busy. You know what I'm saying. Drake came out
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: like a lot of people don't understand. You see this
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: big mogul in Drake. Now, well Drake before then when
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: he had like come back season and stuff like that,
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: he wasn't famous yet, you know what I'm saying.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: And trust me, he was buzzn't.
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: And the funny thing now when we think of Drake,
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: you're talking about he hip hop, he pop, he hippop
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: and all this stuff.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: Well back then, so far Gone ended up coming out.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: People were glad that a dude could rap and sing
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: because you had fire tape for the Little brother was
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: doing uh Little Brother albums, and the foreigners change albums
• 40:23
  Speaker 3: and then and then all this stuff like that. Then
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: you had like other people who used to sing and
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: they and hooks and stuff like that.
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: But so Drake wasn't.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: This for that at that time during this mistake Eraror,
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: he was praised for it, which is fun. In his mind,
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: he probably thinking, but y'all used to love when I
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: did this, you know what I'm saying, Like when he
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: had like I said, he had that room for improvement
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: and come back season two of his big CD.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: I mean mixtapes, you know what I'm saying. Wi's Khalifa.
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: He was popping mixtapes like you said, fab you know
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like the locks I mean with Jada
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: because and styles having these mixed. All of this stuff
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: started being spread during this time of parting, During this
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: time of Missus balls and blogs and all that stuff.
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: People were saying, Hey, man, you hear that new PSYCHG mixtape.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. You hear that new you
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: know so and so mixtape? You know what I'm saying?
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: What that was while label started coming off. I remember
• 41:21
  Speaker 3: him and I did that back to the feature. I
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: think I got off that pill. You know what I'm saying,
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: so all this stuff started happening away before these guys
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: got popular.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Man. Yeah, I think a lot of people forget about
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff because they're so used to
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: them and so much has happened soon as time is passed.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: But you know, like our Future Wolf game, right, you're
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: talking about Frank Ocean's in that, you know what I'm saying,
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: Tyler the creator Earl Sweatshirt, Like all these cats were
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: making these uh basically damn man albums and really introducing
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: themselves to the game through the blog at and you know,
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: the different blogs and the chat rooms was spreading their
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: word about these albums. Like we say, like uh j
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Electronica on face not Facebook, my Space, you know, before
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: he was really known, but I was hearing stuff about
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: him and his projects. Was like right there, you know
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And eventually went to that PIF.
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: And you know what's crazy, man, when people think about
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: all of the albums that on YouTube now and stuff
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: like that. You know, people having their own pages and
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: there they shared their videos and sharing their albums and
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: stuff like that. And of course here still sharing my
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: other platforms.
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Man, what do you think back on these platforms from
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: back then, especially time something like that PIF and two
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: those boards that PIF had, they might have had a
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: thousand albums up there, I mean mix tape and stuff, man,
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: But it was countless pages of Like I said, I
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: spent the weekends sipping something down low burden. And I
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: wasn't by myself, you know what I'm saying. There was
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: thousands and thousands of people just like me.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: So the availability of so much we keep talking about,
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: and it's funny.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: We was in full search of circle.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: Like people say, man, every week now it's just it's
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: too much music.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: They overload us and music. Well, back then we were
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: looking for the music and trying to be overloaded with music,
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: and we was. We was burning ten mixtapes in a week.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: It was online wash, standing up all day, you know
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: So now it's available different, but we'll be We've been
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: a hypocrisi.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: We complain about too much music being now go.
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: We was literally searching for the music back then and
• 43:40
  Speaker 3: overloading ourselves with the stacks and stacks of burnt CDs.
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: That's what's crazy about it, right, That's what's kind of
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: crazy about it. Because when you when you think about
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: like even just me using like use the example what
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: you were doing and me using the same example of
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: us kind of coming from a whole nother era. Right,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: you had to go and leave the house. Not only
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: could you download from there, you could stream, you know
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. You could look at ratings, you could
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: rate the joints. You can get my whole mixtape series,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: like like I discovered currency once he started the mixtapes.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: So when I went there, I'm like, this dude releasing
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: like felt like every week and every time, you know,
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: the pilot series or whatever it was, I was just
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: getting them joints. So it was it was a time
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: where you know, hip hop heads were hungry for that
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: content and they were getting fed. And I mean some
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: would argue, I mean, I think it's an opinion to say, oh,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: you know, well the music was better back then. But
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: I think when we're nostalgic or music of our time,
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: we'll always say that, we'll always say it was better
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: back then because it's tied to memories and nostalgia makes
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: you happy, you know.
• 45:00
  Speaker 3: I think that, yeah, absolutely, And I think that at
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: the end of us start getting older and started looking
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: at life different you do start to your life becomes
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: like like literally like a book, like but we listen
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: to old cliche of course with different chapters, and you know,
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: and the fonn chapters a lot of times.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Or the early chapters. You know, it's like being a
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: kid riding your bike and you still having these memories.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Or you go to your high school graduation.
• 45:24
  Speaker 3: You talked to the dudes that you grew up with, and
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: some of them you might have went to elementary school,
• 45:27
  Speaker 3: and there's.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: Like, man, you remember that time man we made we.
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: Made those those wrastling belts out of cardboard boxes. Man,
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: and you was hop logan, man, I was iron sheet
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: bro and we grown.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Man talking about that.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Now, they take you back to a warm and beautiful place,
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: an innocence in your childhood. And like obviously music is
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: time step, you know what I'm saying, Like, Hey, what
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: was your favorite album in high school with my was
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Midnight Marauders, right or something like that or just for example,
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: so it takes me back to that. So yes, I'm
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: gonna be biased towards the Midnight Marauders because that album.
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: Hip raised me, you know what I'm saying.
• 46:00
  Speaker 3: So yeah, to your point, you know, yeah, it's it's
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: more sentiment of value for us to think about our
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: favorite from junior high, high school, and even college. So
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: if I'm twenty years older than another hip hop fan
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: and Lil Wayne is tupac to them, how can I
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: say he's.
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: Not right exactly? You know that to imagine like we
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: came up, when we came up, like we talked about
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: rock m first time hearing him and all of that. Yeah,
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: it's being coming of age, like you, like twelve, you
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: getting a hip hop and that PITH is kind of
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: like your era, Like what you imagine how much music
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: you're discovering. Just yeah, yeah, it is one thing I
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: want to point out. So the guy who I forget
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: his name now, but the guy who owned that PIF
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: who eventually sold it because you know, the record company situation,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: streaming services, it's just kind of it took away a
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: lot of the thunder from that PIF and it was
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of red tape or whatever. But he talked
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: about that, like how it was more direct with artists
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: back then, so he could get a new Little Wayne
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: mixtape up exclusively on that PIF without the label being
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: involved because technically, contractually, these weren't albums. Yep, you know
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I remember remember like the download
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: status would be like this album, this mixtape is platinum,
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: you know what I yeh. I would see that and
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, let me download that ship. Everybody what
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: that was.
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: Like letting you know this just joined the fight.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: Everybody rated, everybody getting already down. I'm late to the party.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: That classic right now, right and look like we said
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: for a kid who's twelve, well that's their source magazine
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: five MinC situation. You know what I'm saying, like, oh,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that's how I knew that album or that mixtape was fire.
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: Oh man, you just took me back. Man, I remember
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: that like it was yesterday now.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right, like you pop on there, you're like, oh word, okay,
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: you know such such got a new album.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: Or somebody got like two stars, ain't download and I'm
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: going on, you know, say you like I'm gonna gona
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: hit the little crazy.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna listen to it right down, old man. They
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: give me two stars, so that drug got five.
• 48:29
  Speaker 3: I didn't even gotta lift wom a blank cdd the
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: go ahead and put that joint in right.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: And and for people like during the blog era. This
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: is what makes it even doper right, because we talked
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: about the technology and the time and stuff like that.
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: But if you go to like two thousand and nine,
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: where a lot of these were probably like the peak
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: two thousand and nine, ten or whatever of like these
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: mixtapes in these websites, well, we have the introduction of
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: the iPhone, and we have blackberries and the iPhone. With
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: the iPhone did that maybe Blackberries didn't do at the
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: time was the iTunes store, So now it was kind
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: of like, oh and Android, but now it was kind
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: of like, wait a minute, this music can go with me,
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: Like I don't have to burn a CD. You know,
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: I could plug right in and boom, I have it.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: And you know, that just made people download more shit
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: and load up music. And you know, obviously before the iPhone,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: there was the iPod, which really did it, which I
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: remember having mad mixtapes from that time just on the iPod,
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: you know, just ready for a rotation. So I think
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: people need to understand that even though this is a
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: certain error, and there's certain people who maybe were older
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: than us and didn't really experience it because they was
• 49:55
  Speaker 1: off that, but for us, we music lovers. We to
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: the core and it wasn't even really our era, but
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: we were a part of it. Yeah, because we're just
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: in a certain space as Generation X where we know
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: what it used to be and we were there early
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: for the internet, so we kind of fit in with
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: everything that is happening. But Tom, what do you think
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: this era of you know, hip hop conversation online, the
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: written work about hip hop, chat rooms, comment sections, and
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: obviously the music that came out of that blog era.
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: What impact did you do you think it had on
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: the music that came afterwards. In everything we've experienced afterwards.
• 50:45
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, man, everything, I mean every aspect of hips.
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: We talking about hip hop music right now, not in
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: the other job, but for every genre product, but for
• 50:56
  Speaker 3: hip hop that era it laid the groundwork, man, for
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: the next generation. For the artists, how they you know,
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: outside of the label stuff, how they gonna you know,
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: gonna be independent? You know what I'm saying. I'm gonna
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: go to internet. I'm gonna start my own website. I'm
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: gonna start my own missus boat on my website. Then
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: my fans talk to me about my music. I'm gonna
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: sell my stuff for him I'm gonna sell merch on
• 51:20
  Speaker 3: him and do all this kind of stuff on him.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, it changed everything. At the end of the day,
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: it was a season of some pirates and going on.
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: Also then it got to a point where some of
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: those sites you might have to pay five dollars for the download,
• 51:32
  Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying to get a certain certain
• 51:34
  Speaker 3: project and stuff like that wasn't free, because all of
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: it wasn't free, but most of it was. But it
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: set up the next wave where now the artists have
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: been in contact with fans so many years. Once they
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: start their own thing, fans bought start buying their music
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: straight directly through them and other merchandise and all that.
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: So it did that for the artists.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: For the fans, it just gave, you know, it just
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: continued their voice that was able to have way back
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: twenty Some musicgo on those message boards. Well some people
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: and hopefull a lot of people get a lot from
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: this episode because Twitter and my Twitter and IG know
• 52:07
  Speaker 3: that that's just a new name and it's done different.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: But we was doing this already, Like I said, I
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: was the same. The debates that people see me and
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: you have, specially with me a lot of people on Twitter.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: I had these same debates twenty two years ago. Okay, player,
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: So all that era did was over up the groundwork
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: for these uh uh, these these business people or all
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: these creators to create these other big platforms like the
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Twitters and and and and and and you know what
• 52:37
  Speaker 3: I'm saying, And I g and it Facebook because we're
• 52:40
  Speaker 3: talking talking about you can talk about music on Facebook too.
• 52:43
  Speaker 3: Facebook Facebook based on.
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: The message board too.
• 52:46
  Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying this, You can post a
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: video comment section, you talk about it what it is.
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: So stuff really changed that much. It's got elevated. It's
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: a little bit, man, But that era changed everything.
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: And we didn't have an errow. We're not we made
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: when I'm sitting there right now, it's that important.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, all the creatives on YouTube and everywhere else, all
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: this started from from your mindspaces, from your dad pills,
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: from your world.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: All this stuff had to happen to give it was
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: a natural progression.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, what you say, for everyone, that's a progression.
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's almost like everyone had to adapt. Whether
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you're a fan of artists, a record label, an advertiser
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: who used to advertise in a different way with music.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: For people who used to write for the hip hop
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: dx's and stuff, they had to change, they had to
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: broaden their still for the most part, to survive, whereas
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: places like all hip hop dot Com still exist but
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: really as a shell of itself as a result. And
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: one thing I wanted to point out because I like
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: your point about like content creation and how a lot
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: of that stuff birthed this. I mean I was doing
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: video album reviews on video on my Space back then,
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: like uh and we're talking seven oh yeah, oh yeah.
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: I used to do straight up people would watch him.
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: It was a different It was a different time because
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: now everything is hot topics and shit and hot takes
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: and you know, who can you be angry at or
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: what can you do again?
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: It was just about the music for sure.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It was just about the music, you know what I'm saying.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Music that was it right, right and respectable arguments. So
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I agree. I think like for the artists that we named,
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: who are all bigger artists now, who all found landing spots,
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And kudos to somebody Lil Wayne who was on that
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: way where he didn't have to be having dedicated mixtape series.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: No ceiling drought you know what I'm saying, kind of
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: really taking advantage with that while doing the Carter series
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: was unheard of, or Joe Budden being early with the
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: podcasting game with the reality TV or TV right Joe
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Budden TV uh and the conversations around that. So a
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: lot of this stuff, to Tone's point, it's just been
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: happening for a while. You just haven't really paid attention
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: to the timeline. Yep. All right, So what do y'all
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: think about the blog error? Did you know were you
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: on that pip getting all them mixtapes waiting for the
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: drop like us because we was doing it. Did you
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: have the spool I think that's what it's called, spool
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of the CDs on deck with the market. You had
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: to have a market to be like to put that
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: on me and Tone we got him in the crib.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: We just say get up and bring him. Sure, but Tone,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: real quick, what are some of your favorite mixtapes from
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: that era?
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: Sheesh Man one of them I really like Man, and
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier Man, I really liked that while a
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: back to the feature Man, you know what I'm saying,
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: Like he had this dope songe that with Jean Gray
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: he had uh, he had a joint on uh.
• 56:22
  Speaker 3: Wick Currency and Jacob call Uh rather be with you? You
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Like, Man, the production was dope.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: Man like that wile At joint was really good. Man.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: That one comes to mind, Uh that piff Man had
• 56:38
  Speaker 3: so many of man like different Little Wayne joints Man,
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: different Currency joints, j Cole at the time man or
• 56:44
  Speaker 3: you know, uh his early mixtape run Man leading up
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: the Friday Night Lights.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Like, But before that, Man,
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: which one was that? Man?
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: Uh? The warm up.
• 56:55
  Speaker 3: Man to come up those joints during that time period.
• 56:58
  Speaker 3: I remember, I think I got the warm up an
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: come up from that pill. You know what I'm saying.
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: So for real, So I think those two, those.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Three, the ones are really like a lot earlier Joe
• 57:10
  Speaker 3: Button joints Man before he had some joints before move music.
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I used to listen to too,
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: But what about you?
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I gotta I got a quick little list like some
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: of my favorites that I still even wait to this day,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: and people get excited because some of it is now
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: available on streaming services. But Little Wayne no ceilings like
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: I play I played that to death man Jacob Friday
• 57:36
  Speaker 1: Night Lights, which we did an episode on Fast check Out.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: We did a whole episode on that joint. Drake so
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: Far Gone. Yeah, I remember feeling like, there's nothing like
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: this out and this is hot, like.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: And say something real quick if my whole boys said
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: something on Facebook so Far Gone a couple of years
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: ago because of me, he came to my crib way
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: even though man sipping on something. I said, man, this
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: is this new dude. Man put this this CD in
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: and see what you think about a dog coach. He
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: 'used to always come over that because he's like me
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: to make him Lock CDs because he's a little of locks.
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: So I make my own little Locks mixtape for him.
• 58:12
  Speaker 3: But anyway, I played So Far Gone. I said, Bro,
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: this kid, Drake, he gonna be a star.
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: Yo.
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: I said, listen to that. To the I said, listen
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: how to intro So Far Go. This dude's singing. Then
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: he started rapping, did all the mother songs on there,
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: certain songs and that he was spitting on certain songs
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: and he's singing.
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Then the look and everything. I said, Dude, I said,
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: this dude is gonna be a star. And then when
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: thank me now whatever came, I think we let it whatever.
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: I said that he out of here man, And that
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: was when I heard, because I heard come back season
• 58:49
  Speaker 3: and Rule for Improvement already, I thought, dude could rap.
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: We Seid already done the song think good thoughts with
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: lzon Fante that Knife did with that Baker Beach.
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, Duke can spit. He already rock with Underground.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: You know he loved bun being all these cats, Like,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: that's a Duke rap. When I heard so far Go,
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: then I started seeing, well, okay, this is something different.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm. It was, Yeah, it was. It was a
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: dope time when you think about it, because you just
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: didn't have sense like this before.
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: Where those soul tips come out from.
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: Fabulous That was much later. That might have been later,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: might when the when the blog ever started to fade
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: and so but yeah, Joe Budden Moon music, uh two
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: and for especially that intro on two killed that ship
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: wits Khalifa and currency how Fly Okay, that joint was
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: crazy and Jay Lectronica style Wars.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was war.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: That was the first one that before exhibits for those
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: keeping right, that was the one again when I went
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: to Carnegie Hall to see Most Death and Robert Blast
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: but before Black Radio, and Most performed some lyrics off
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: of that mixtape, and I was like, damn, who's this dude?
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: Because Most was already a star. I'm like, who's this dude?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: He performing his lyrics like he must be dope? Went
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: to my space, found them, listened to it, you know,
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: messed them and all of that. But it was just
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: it was just a dope time for music discovery, like
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, discovering new artists, getting dope
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: joints and even to your point, like with Fabinous because
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: it was still being used back then, even though I faded,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: like him having a soul tape series.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean people were saying that his soul Takes series,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 3: the Betters albums.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I definitely would go sign that.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 3: A lot of people were saying that man them soul tapes.
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: Man like yo, this was his official release.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: And and certain guys back then doing that that era,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: they would drop a mixtape and you would say, that's
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: better than their debut album? What's better than some of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: the albums.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, I remember hearing Friday Night Lights and I
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: was like, well whenever, whenever, Uh, this dude do his albums.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: He got some big shoes to feel because this Friday
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: Night Lights sounded like a plot to meat, you know
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: And like Jake said, we did an episode on that.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 2: But yes, faby the same thing.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: Certain you know Wayne was having those mixed when you
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: have a mixtapes, like like Little Wayne was like, Okay,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: you gotta make sure this calls are right because your
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: your mixtapes are stupid.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like so.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah that that whole time, a lot of people blew
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 3: up with mixtapes.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: Doing that era right, and you know, for those keeping score,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: obviously it was way more than that, Like Big Sean
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: kind of came up in that way. Nicki Minaj also,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: but then they were they were like the almost like
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: the precursor to the thing of like Dipset and g
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: Unich because they were still putting out. It was just
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: a time where to Tone's point, you were getting a
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: lot of music, but there was something about knowing that
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: was a mixtape, go get it off, a website release
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: only Death Jams official release. You know, it was just
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: a rawness about Yeah it was compared so leave your
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: comments in the comments below as far as your favorite
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: mixtapes from the blog era, some of the sites you
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: used to frequent you know, and how you see that
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: connecting to what we do with social media content creation
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: via podcast and YouTube like we do now. But we
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: have one question for y'all to end the show off
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: in to when we start with you twenty twenty five,
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: what are some of your hip hop predictions for the
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: new year. Yeah, we had a big year last year,
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: but now it's a new year. So what's on tap?
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: I think a few things.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: I think that Kendrick Lamar and since one or two
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: weeks away, I think that kense Lamar's Super Bowl performers
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: gonna be monumental. I really believe that something. It's just
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 3: some energy in the era. Man, with this wave that
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 3: Kendrick is on right now, you don't see this. You
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: don't see this a few times every so many years
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: of hip hop, the wave of Snoop Dogg coming through
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: the wave of fifty six, coming.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: Through the wave of eminem the wave of you know
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: a little way and and.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Kanye this a certain time, Drake, even certain times where
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 3: somebody really just was dominating. You know what I'm saying
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: jay Z dominants on point and all this stuff like that.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: It's really a moment man, where he is. He can't
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: miss right now, you know what I'm saying. And I
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 3: honestly think that he's gonna light up the super Bowl.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: And I think that before this year is up, k
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: Dot gonna drop another album, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: I think that nas and Premier is gonna happen this year.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: Through a great vite.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 3: I think at one point several months ago, eight nine
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: songs were already done, you know what I'm saying. So
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: I think that that appum is gonna happen. I think
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: it's gonna drop on Na's birthday, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 3: And I think it's September. So I think that's gonna happen.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: It's a long time from now, but I think it's
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: gonna happen. Then I think they're gonna sit on then
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 3: to the end. Could be wrong, maybe come out this summer,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: but I would predict that it's gonna be September. I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: think that volume two of the AUDITORI with the Audit
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: Auditorium for coming and uh and Pete Ruck. I don't
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: think they're gonna wait a long time. I think maybe
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: by the end of this year. It might have come
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 3: out this year, you know, I think Lil Wayne is
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: gonna drop. I think it's been a lot of stuff
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 3: going on with Wayne that knew some song. I just
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: heard someone post the other day and I reposted it,
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 3: if it's gonna be something for this Carter five because
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: he said it's coming out this year to quarter five
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: or six.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I think the call to six maybe.
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: Called to see because I think he has something to prove.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: I think that he's feeling a certain way just in general.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: And I think this album from way I predict it'll
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 3: be something on line of that. Carter two, I think
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: he's going I think he's going at hard. So that's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: what that's what That's what I think for this year man.
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 3: And uh also, I think a lot of other guys
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: who might not be so famous gonna have some big
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 3: years man.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, I could. I could see all of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: that happening, to be honest, it just it just feels
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: like the momentum is there for it to happen. I
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: think for me, a lot of it some of those
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 1: are are what I would say the same thing also.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: But I think for me, I think people will forgive
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: j Cole once he drops his album.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: I believe though too.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: He's just sometimes it's it's the thing that we say
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Drake should do all bad, get them, get them joints together,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: and then drop and don't even discuss what happened because
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: it happened. It's over last year. That's that. But I
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: think Jake Cole is focused on that. Even though you know,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: we talked mess about the song he dropped. That shit
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: was kind of hot though, like was very dope, right,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: But I think because people were so attached to the
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: battle and the yeah, they did right. But once he
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: gets that out of take those take that ship out
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: of the lyrics. It happened, we all know, and focus
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: on whatever you plan on making, I think it'll be
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: easy for most people to be like, yeah, I forgot
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: how dope he is.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: What I said this on to the reason music wins
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: the end of the day, y'all can feel how you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 3: feel about Jacob and yes he did in bs to
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: the hip hop purist, I get it, man, you know
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 2: I'm in c I was pissed up with Ja Coole
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: a little bit. But at the end of the day,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: you go see it.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 3: Tell me if four five months from that whatever Ja
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Cole dropped this, Let's say the album is amazing. Oh
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 3: so you're gonna boycott some dope music because of some battle,
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: It's gonna be right there in the car, like but
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 3: it was common sense.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah. I feel like because even like again, we
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: and we did a whole show on this me Tone
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: and Kill talking about the apology and all that stuff.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: We're not the type to like hold on well Kill
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: sometime is but he can be persuaded, trust me. Uh,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: but we're not to type the whole grudges over music.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: If something's good, it's good. And what he did is
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: not on the level of some of the other artists
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: who are serving prison time or going to serve prison time.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 1: Like we're not talking about that. They're talking about somebody
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: who just didn't want to get into a back and
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: forth something he considers.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: That it's not the end of the world.
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: It's not the end of work. If he drops some
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: dope music, We're here to receive it. One thing I
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: hope happens because I'm not the biggest fan of posthumous albums.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: Especially when it's piecemeal, like a couple verses here and there.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: But I think, and I'm not saying with Gangstars specifically,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: but what Permit did with that Gangstar album, it felt
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: like it felt like Guru was head, you know what
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: I'm saying, And I feel like that's the blueprints. So
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I am pregnant. This Mob Deep album comes close to that,
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: I hope. So you know what I'm saying, Just like
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: one last time, this is what we got from p
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: and it sounds like a Mob Deep album. I hope
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: that's the case. It's pastime, you know, for something like that.
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  Speaker 1: But I know there was a lot of red tape
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  Speaker 1: with you know, his lyrics and nice lyrics, but you know,
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  Speaker 1: his versus his music. It wasn't just like all within
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  Speaker 1: Havoc's possession to just put out. But now he kind
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  Speaker 1: of has the green lights. So we'll see I Y'allso
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  Speaker 1: what do y'all think? What are some of your predictions
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  Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five hip hop predictions? That is leaving
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  Speaker 1: So just don't come with no bs either, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But you know, like you said earlier, man,
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  Speaker 1: he been doing this since before the blog era, talking
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  Speaker 1: about hip hop. Same thing with me, Like you think
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  Speaker 1: it started because I got on the radio show. Got
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  Speaker 1: the radio show because I know hip hop. You know
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  Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And these types of conversations we had
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  Speaker 1: on the radio during the nas jay z Beef and
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  Speaker 1: during the release of Supreme Clientele like we were.
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  Speaker 2: Yesterday, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 1: We were doing this not only playing the music, but
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  Speaker 1: discussing the music on and offline on a regular basis.
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  Speaker 1: And this is just kind of the fruits of that labor.
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  Speaker 1: And shows like this we hope educate some people and
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  Speaker 1: remind them of how rich hip hop music and culture is.
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  Speaker 1: Until next time, y'all go out and support real hip hop. Peace.
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  Speaker 2: Peace,