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NYPD Detective Louis A Balestrieri · NYPD Through The Looking Glass

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  SPEAKER_01: Today's guest is retired NYPD detective Lou Balastieri.
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  SPEAKER_01: His new book, A Revenge Served Cold, is available on Amazon.
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  SPEAKER_01: And if that's not enough, Lou's also got an upcoming movie project entitled Operation Wasteland, and it should be out shortly.
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  SPEAKER_01: Hey Lou, how are you doing today?
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  SPEAKER_00: Good morning.
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  SPEAKER_00: Very uh very nice to meet you, my friend.
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  SPEAKER_01: Lou, can you please introduce yourself?
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  SPEAKER_01: Tell us the listeners a little something about yourself.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I'm I'm a pretty unique guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I grew up in Parksload, Brooklyn, and I grew up in and around lots of organized crime guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, my dad had a cousin who was a big bookmaker, and when I was five years old, I was running the numbers for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: They'd give me a brown paper bag and I run it from Uncle Jimmy to Uncle Mike.
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  SPEAKER_00: Everybody was my uncle.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they'd give me five dollars.
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  SPEAKER_00: From there, I moved to East New York in the area where there were numerous organized crime families and their children were there.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got friendly with all of these kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: I went to high school.
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  SPEAKER_00: Who do I go to high school with?
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  SPEAKER_00: More organized crime guy kids.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I'm getting very influenced by organized crime.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
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  SPEAKER_00: Move out to Long Island.
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  SPEAKER_00: I start working for a guy who has a pizzeria that's run by organized crime.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now I think, I'm really thinking that I'm gonna be an organized crime guy.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is just in my mind.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's just a fantasy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I have a very close call, uh almost getting arrested, and I decided, now mind you, my father was a cop at the time, and he gave me a crack in the head and he said, Listen, you, you know, you gotta you gotta start straightening up your life.
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  SPEAKER_00: But I was 21 years old driving a brand new Lincoln.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had a ton of money in my pocket.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was I wasn't I was doing things.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was shaking and moving, you know what I mean?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like like young bucks want to do and impress people.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I get this close call, I decide that maybe I should take a better route.
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  SPEAKER_00: I start working for an insurance company, and from being around organized crime guys, I learned to always study weakness.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there's certain principles that they use.
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  SPEAKER_00: Number one is never be a rat, of course.
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  SPEAKER_00: Capitalize on on weak things that you see.
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  SPEAKER_00: I start working for this insurance company, and what do I do?
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  SPEAKER_00: I start capitalizing on weaknesses within the insurance company.
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  SPEAKER_00: I wound up getting engaged to a New York City detective's daughter, and I decide that maybe the organized crime pension plan mentality isn't gonna be good for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I take the fire department test, I take the police tests, I take the state troopers, I take everything.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the NYPD called me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once the NYPD called me, I made a decision never to be who I once was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was an opportunist thief, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: I didn't play with drugs, never me.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did I did things that were weren't, I've later found out they were extremely against the law.
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  SPEAKER_00: But thank God the statute of limitations is long gone.
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  SPEAKER_00: Once I became a cop, my dad whispered things into my ear, because he went through the police department within the time of he worked with Frank Serpico and Adira.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh I knew how to be a cop before I was ever a cop.
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  SPEAKER_00: And certain things I did were because my dad instructed me to do so.
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  SPEAKER_00: One of the things that I believed in, my dad says to me, Listen, you're gonna be out there, you're gonna be a cop, and there may be the opportunity for you to take somebody's life.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now you have to remember, everybody that you come in contact with or you deal with is loved by somebody.
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  SPEAKER_00: They are someone to somebody.
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  SPEAKER_00: And if you don't have to do it, don't.
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  SPEAKER_00: And to my credit, and I'm very proud of this, I had six opportunities to take a human life in the line of duty, and I killed no one.
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  SPEAKER_00: Did I kick a lot of people's asses?
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  SPEAKER_00: No doubt about it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was very heavy-handed because that was the way policing was done.
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  SPEAKER_00: Fear meant compliance.
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  SPEAKER_00: I still believe in that.
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  SPEAKER_00: I commanded respect, but I showed respect, but I always marched to my own beat.
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  SPEAKER_00: I took some of the things that I learned in organized crime and I brought them to the police department without them knowing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now I didn't shake people down, wasn't robbing drug dealers, wasn't I just saw things that uh weaknesses that I I capitalized on.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh I learned how to make marriages.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I found two people that needed each other and I put them together.
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  SPEAKER_00: I took care of the bosses.
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  SPEAKER_00: I knew uh, you know, I controlled the people that were in control.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I don't know if you you knew this.
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  SPEAKER_00: Uh remember a 28?
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  SPEAKER_00: You had a day off, you had to file a fill out a 28.
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  SPEAKER_00: The the girl in the in the roll call room was, you know, this is back in the 80s, you're making maybe$16,000 a year.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad taught me how to change the 28 into a 38.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was like, what are you talking about?
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  SPEAKER_00: She says, when you file the 28 with the roll call girl, you put a$10 bill underneath it.
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  SPEAKER_00: So you give her a 38, and you'll get the day off.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was a weakness I found.
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  SPEAKER_00: That was somebody that I could control, and that's what I did.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I used this within the police department, of course, without them knowing it.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did, I got, I retired on a disability.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I lost 30% use of my left arm, but I never did a late tour.
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  SPEAKER_00: I came out of the police academy, I was out three months, and I was working in a detail, not knowing anybody, knowing how to speak to people and manipulate people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I worked in the detail doing steady four to twelve weekends off.
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  SPEAKER_00: Three months out of the police academy, that's unheard of.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's not because I had a major hook or a crane, I just kept my eyes and ears open and uh there was a sergeant that nobody liked.
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  SPEAKER_00: Guess what?
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  SPEAKER_00: I liked him.
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  SPEAKER_00: He took care of me and I took care of him.
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  SPEAKER_00: He trusted me immensely, and I and I trusted him, and that's the way it was, and I moved my whole career like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I did very well for myself.
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  SPEAKER_00: I got promoted to the Where did your dad work?
• 5:42
  SPEAKER_00: Go ahead.
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  SPEAKER_00: My dad worked in the 8-0 initially, way back when.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then from there he went to the 11th division in plain clothes, and then from there he went to the 6th Division in plain clothes, and then the NAP Commission broke and they blew everything apart.
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  SPEAKER_00: He got flopped, and he retired at the 6-9.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: He went to the 6-9.
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  SPEAKER_00: Back on patrol.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what years were you active with the NYPD?
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  SPEAKER_00: I I came on in 84 and I retired halfway through 1997.
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  SPEAKER_00: First, fifth, seventh, and ninth precinct.
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  SPEAKER_01: And what did you make of it when you did that?
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  SPEAKER_00: It was lower east side of Manhattan.
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  SPEAKER_00: I I was like, I couldn't believe it.
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  SPEAKER_00: It was it was the flop house for for Manhattan South.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we had, you know, the the the cops there were uh they were problem children, and I don't I'm not the easiest guy in the world.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_00: I was a problem child.
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  SPEAKER_00: So uh I fit in very nicely.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I was there, I was doing my thing, I was working in uh C pop, and I was kicking ass.
• 6:42
  SPEAKER_00: I had a very big post.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_00: I had 32 block faces to patrol by myself.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_00: I was pushing the drug dealers around, which was that was my main uh purpose, was to to uh clean up the street that I that I worked on, which was Pitt Street, and uh I had a car battery come off the roof at me.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody tried to hit me with a car battery.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_00: Then I had a uh glass ashtray come out of a window, and it it missed me and hit a man in the face.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_00: And in August of 1985, I had a guy step out from behind a car and fire three rounds at me, and he uh he missed me.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_00: So the captain took me into his office, says, Listen, somebody's trying to hurt you.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_00: He called me son.
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  SPEAKER_00: Somebody's trying to hurt you out here, and the best thing for you to do is, you know, uh would you want to you want to go back into a squad?
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  SPEAKER_00: I said, No, I'm not gonna run from this.
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  SPEAKER_00: So what he did was I was a C Pop cop.
• 7:30
  SPEAKER_00: He put me with another guy, and we rode around in a van patrolling his post and my post.
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I did a uh short time there, and and then I was very active, very, very active.
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  SPEAKER_01: And this is the seventh precinct.
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  SPEAKER_00: Seventh precinct.
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  SPEAKER_00: I had a um um a position open up called the robbery car, which was a uniform detail.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I had to do, I was doing like steady six to twos.
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  SPEAKER_00: This guy who had a little bit more time than me, he heard about me.
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  SPEAKER_00: He they knew they knew what kind of cop I was.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was very aggressive, and his partner left to go to emergency service, and he he there was nobody he wanted to work with, and he starts to talk to me, and we become great friends.
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  SPEAKER_00: Hib and I are working in the robbery car now, uh, because the the captain moved me along and I did like 10 months there.
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  SPEAKER_00: Kill a month, we made nine armed robbery collars, which was unbelievable.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, what does the captain do?
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  SPEAKER_00: He puts us both in anti-crime.
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  SPEAKER_00: I did two years in anti-crime and I went to Manhattan South narcotics.
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  SPEAKER_01: Uh, I did uh before we get to narcotics, because I I find it very interesting working down in the seventh precinct during that time period, because there was a lot going on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yes, do you remember any famous cases or incidents that that went down when you were in the seventh?
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  SPEAKER_01: Such as this is back in the 80s now.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_01: Correct, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: I mean, well, you had the mob was very alive and well down there.
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  SPEAKER_01: You had the biggest.
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  SPEAKER_00: Not in the seventh, in the fifth.
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  SPEAKER_00: They were in the fifth, okay.
• 8:59
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, is that the crew from like Nicobaka, the Nicobaka projects?
• 9:02
  SPEAKER_00: That's yeah, that's that's in the fifth precinct.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay, my bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: What was happening to the seventh precinct was we were getting a very big influx of Asian people, and the Asian gangs started moving in.
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  SPEAKER_00: While I was working in anti-crime, my captain says to me, Go out and find out as much as you can about these Asian gangs.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I became an Asian gang expert, so to speak.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I did uh an intelligence paper for the captain who took it to the chief, and they were they were very, very impressed with that, which later benefited benefited me when I went uh I bought Asian heroin as an undercover in the Haida unit because I had such a vast knowledge of Asian organized crime.
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  SPEAKER_01: What what year did you go to Manhattan South narcotics?
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  SPEAKER_00: I was there from 1988, August 1988 to November 1989.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_00: Were you down on the piers?
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: No, that was TNT.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: I was I was out of the 7th precinct.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: When TNT they split up Manhattan South and they they employed uh Manhattan South TNT, my boss went down there.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_00: I was I happened to be with my lieutenant was uh Bill Ali.
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  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 10:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he became a chief.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Bill Ali was hated.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: I loved the guy.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: The guy loved me.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, um it just that's just who I am.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_00: He was a great man to me.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_00: He taught me how to be an undercover, he taught me a lot of things about this job.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: I spent a lot of time with him.
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  SPEAKER_00: He got promoted to captain, TNT came into the play, and I decided my whole team was getting busted up.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be there anymore.
• 10:34
  SPEAKER_00: So I put in the contract and I went to Queen's Narcotics.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: While I'm in Queen's Narcotics, I got promoted to detective.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm there about a year or so.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: In 1991, George Bush, the first George Bush, opened up a unit called Hyder, high-intensity drug trafficking.
• 10:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now he split that, it was a federally funded unit.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: We were gonna work with uh FBI, uh DEA, anybody that we need.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: If I had to bring in the Marines, we could have got the Marines.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_00: So while I took the interview, there were three lieutenants there, and of course an IED guy, and I I took the interview, and there was an Asian lieutenant, and I don't want to mention his name because I don't like him and we didn't get along.
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  SPEAKER_00: He said to me, he liked the way I spoke, he liked the way I carried myself, and he said, uh, are you interested in being an undercover?
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  SPEAKER_00: Because I knew a lot about Asian organized crime.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, I knew Fuch Chin, this, that.
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  SPEAKER_00: What what you know, what are the main Mandarin, Cantonese, these are the big dialects.
• 11:33
  SPEAKER_00: I knew how to interview the uh we chased a uh an Asian guy into a restaurant, he had a gun, we chased him in, he was gonna shoot three of us.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: We got commendations for it, we got put in the honor legion.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_00: I stood next to uh Stephen McDonald.
• 11:46
  SPEAKER_00: We both got he got shot, I almost got shot, and we both got uh put into the honor legion together, which I felt that it wasn't worth it to me.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was disgraced by that.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_00: He was a hero, I'm nobody.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_00: May God rest his soul.
• 12:00
  SPEAKER_00: So uh this guy picks me up, I agree to be an undercover, and uh he says to me, I'll make sure you get second grade in like 18 months.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: I says, Okay.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: There was no reason, I was already a detective.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: There was no reason for me to be being undercover.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: But, you know, it's a new unit, joint federal task force.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: I figured this is gonna be a good shot to move along quickly.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, I'm working for him, and he really does not have a grasp on how narcotics works.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_00: And him and I bump heads, you know, it's like uh, you know, he was like, buy a taste and uh let's get four kilos.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't work like that.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 12:34
  SPEAKER_00: But he he was very he was a cowboy, okay, and uh I didn't like the way he worked.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_00: He he almost got me hurt several times, and we he just want to show me he was the lieutenant and I was the detective, and he allegedly was a um martial arts champion from Canada, and I was a martial artist.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_00: I've been doing it since 1970, so I gave him a shot at the title.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's the way it goes.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: He decided that he couldn't take the shot at the title because I was gonna whoop his ass.
• 13:01
  SPEAKER_00: Make a long story short, I get bounced out of the Heidi unit.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_00: They put me in a team, you know, I wouldn't back down.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: I get it.
• 13:07
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, look, see, I had this thing as a cop.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_00: First I'm a man, then I'm a cop.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I don't care.
• 13:11
  SPEAKER_00: And I said this to the captain.
• 13:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care if you got stars, bars, pipes, or you're carrying an aircraft carrier on your shoulders.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: You talk to be nice.
• 13:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna be respectful to you.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't care what you are.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_00: Tell the captain, what are you gonna do to me?
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_00: Send me back to patrol?
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: You're not taking my shield.
• 13:25
  SPEAKER_00: Send me back to patrol.
• 13:26
  SPEAKER_00: I know how to make a collar.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_00: So there was nothing they could do to really upset my apple cart.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_00: So what do they do?
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: They put me in this other team doing organized crime, controlling the um uh Italian bread industry.
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in the meantime, when they bumped me out of the Asian heroin team, there was a lot, I had a lot of money out there.
• 13:48
  SPEAKER_00: I refused to be an undercover for this guy.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_00: So what he did is he he wanted to take my gun away, he took my car away.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_00: No problem, I'm not an undercover.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: You explain why this happened.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: So they separated us.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_00: So I go to this other team, and me and this guy are doing very well.
• 14:02
  SPEAKER_00: We wound up opening up a a uh bakery in Soho, and we're making believe that we're selling Italian bread to Okay.
• 14:11
  SPEAKER_00: I started to do well there, and it was my job to get the wise guys to come to us and say, hey, what are you doing?
• 14:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, because I was out undercut.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: We go to get, hey, you doing Anthony, how are you?
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Me and my this my me and my brother-in-law over here, we're new in a business, we've been in a business for 40 years, my family were taking it over.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what do you pay for your tag?
• 14:30
  SPEAKER_00: 25 cents, we're doing for 15.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Uh we can't.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: What do you mean you can't?
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_00: The the association, what association?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: We're doing this 40 years.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: What association are you talking about?
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: We know what's going on.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: They come back two weeks later, how you doing?
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Did you do any consideration?
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, I hear here.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Take these, take these loaves of bread.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_00: We'll do it for 10 cents a loaf.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: Give us a shot.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: Come on.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, we can't do it.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_00: The association come back again.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_00: This time I got a wire on me.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I take the Italian bread, I throw theirs on the floor, put mine out there.
• 14:58
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing?
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_00: What's the matter with you?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_00: The association.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: Of course.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_00: Tell the association to come and see us.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_00: You know, they never came and saw me.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: They came and saw the other guy who was an undercover because I got booted out of that team.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_00: You know why?
• 15:12
  SPEAKER_00: Because I'm doing well now.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to have to give me grade.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I did 28 months as an undercover buying Asian heroine, so now I'm doing well in the Italian bread.
• 15:21
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want to be an Italian undercover.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_00: I told them I know too many people because I grew up around a lot of people in Howard Beach and this place and that place.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna run into somebody that I know.
• 15:31
  SPEAKER_00: So they throw me to another team, headquarters team number one.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: It was the bad news bears of OCID.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody liked them.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: They had the worst cases, they gave them the garbage.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: They're working for a lieutenant who was a complete idiot.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: There was no doubt in anybody's mind he did not like Italians.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_00: We worked doing the um case where organized crime was controlling the um private sanitation industry.
• 15:58
  SPEAKER_00: And we hated each other.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_00: There was no overtime.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're working on Canal Street in a warehouse with two inches of dust on the floor, one typewriter for ten guys, we don't have a table to sit at, we don't have a bathroom to use.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_00: We have to go downstairs or go outside in a parking lot to take a piss, or, you know, go to one of the restaurants in the area.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: There was no place, no place to go to the bathroom.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: Above us was a printing press place.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: So for eight, nine hours a day, while we're doing a wiretap, we hear ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-boom, ba-ba-ba-boom.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was horrible.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: There was no heat in the winter, no um, no air conditioning in the summer.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_00: We were all sick.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_00: This case takes a turn.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: The sergeant, who was actually the brains of the operation, now we had an undercover in place who did a phenomenal job.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_00: He infiltrated the wise guys.
• 16:48
  SPEAKER_00: Myself and my partner did some of the some of the work, but we weren't the true undercovers like he was.
• 16:55
  SPEAKER_00: We s we went to wise guy weddings.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_00: I snuck into a wise guy meeting, getting in there to get information and this and that.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I wasn't really entertaining these wise guys, meeting them in person like this undercover was.
• 17:09
  SPEAKER_00: He he was like a a Joe Pistone.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: He did a great job.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: So we hit a point where the sergeant says, listen, we're the bad news bears, everybody hates us.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody wants to give us information, everybody laughs at us.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: You go to unit training and yeah, people don't even talk to you.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: We hit up we hit an area now where this thing is taking a big turn.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: We wound up doing the largest organized crime case in the history of New York law enforcement.
• 17:35
  SPEAKER_00: We locked up 32 wise guys and associates up to the rank of Capo.
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_00: We took 32 million$321 million in asset forfeiture, and we crushed eight organized crime control private sanitation companies.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: We're on the top of the world.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: This is June of 1995.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: Mind you, uh, this case was in existence since 1991-92.
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_00: I got into this after the case was already started.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um I couldn't get out, I could not get out of OCID.
• 18:07
  SPEAKER_00: They, you know, I was a boss fighter, they hated me, and they wouldn't give me the right time of day.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: But that's who I was, and I didn't care.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: I stood my ground.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: So we take this case down in 1995.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_01: Before you just could you go into it?
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: Because people it's it's a fascinating case.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: Can you explain what the paper club was and how it worked and the mobs gr and the mob's control of private sanitation in in the five boroughs?
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_00: There was there were associations.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's one in Brooklyn, there was Queens, there were trade waste associations, there was two in Manhattan.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: They determined the price of what the paper was.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: They determined the price of the routes.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if you and I were putting a bid on Macy's in Manhattan, okay, I'm trying to get I'm trying to get it out from under you, you're trying to get out from me.
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: I'm undercutting you, you're undercutting me.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: We can't get it to work.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: We have to belong to the association.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_00: We go to the association, we sit down, we negotiate it, we ash it out.
• 19:03
  SPEAKER_00: If they decide that you're getting it, they're gonna get a piece of that, and you're gonna kick back to me.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: And then they did what was known as bid rigging, where they they decided what what the price of the route is gonna be.
• 19:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, some of these some of these routes were 100 grand a month, so we're talking big money.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Any problems that you had, you had to go to the wise guys to to straighten it out.
• 19:26
  SPEAKER_00: Uh they controlled the price of paper.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: One particular uh one particular over the wiretap that there's gonna be a big meeting in a catering hall in the 115 in Queens.
• 19:38
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember the place.
• 19:40
  SPEAKER_00: So of course we set up on it.
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: We got our surveillance stuff, we're taking license plates down.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we're not doing any type of enforcement work.
• 19:47
  SPEAKER_00: You know, we're just out there collecting information who showed up, who's there.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_00: So I see the guys coming out of the location, and they're carrying uh a folder underneath their arm.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I says, There's got to be something in that folder.
• 20:00
  SPEAKER_00: So I think there were maybe four of us out there.
• 20:03
  SPEAKER_00: I called my boss, I said, Tony, they're they're in there, they they got these folders.
• 20:07
  SPEAKER_00: There's gotta be something in the folders.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Because we knew this this meeting was gonna be about how the whole industry is gonna set the price of paper.
• 20:16
  SPEAKER_00: Where everybody's gotta set the price of of what collecting the paper or selling the paper is gonna be all about.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, listen, I'm gonna go in here and get one.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_00: He says, you can't.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: You got no, you know, you don't have any kill receiver or whatever.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: He says, What are you, out of your mind?
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Tony, don't worry about it.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_00: Let me let me just let me do my thing.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: So he says, you know, you really shouldn't do this.
• 20:35
  SPEAKER_00: I said, let me let me take care of it.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: Now I'm dressed, I got khaki pants on, work shoes, like a silk jacket.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: I look like somebody that could be a private car to owner.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: So I walk into places, I walk through the doors, there's two two guys standing at the door, two gorillas, and they're looking at everybody walking in.
• 20:51
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I don't think I could just walk into that room.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: So what do I do is I make a right-hand turn, I go into the men's room.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when I'm in the men's room, there's a bunch of guys smoking cigarettes, you know, all Italian guys.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: So I walk up to the urino, I take out my my equipment there, and I go, Holy shit, the water's cold here.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: What do what do dirty men do?
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: I also laughing.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm peeing, there's a little short Italian guy next to me, goes to me, hey, how you doing?
• 21:18
  SPEAKER_00: I says, I'm all right.
• 21:19
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, How's your father?
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_00: Oh shit, this guy thinks he knows me.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: I says, he's alright, he's alright.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Where is he inside?
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_00: I haven't seen him in months.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: I says, You know my father.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: He's a pain in the ass.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: I left him back at the office.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: My mother throws him out, she sticks him with me.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_00: I left him at the office.
• 21:34
  SPEAKER_00: He drives my secretary crazy.
• 21:36
  SPEAKER_00: How's he doing?
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_00: What do you think about the price of paper?
• 21:38
  SPEAKER_00: Price of paper?
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's not my that's you know, I'm just an Indian in the shop.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what I'm talking about.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: So what does he do?
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: He walks me inside the meeting with him.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: Because I got my arm around him.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like I know the guy.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_00: I walk right through the two guys, I'm looking around, and there's a a chair at a table.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_00: I look on the table, and sure enough, what do I see?
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_01: Folder.
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: A folder.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: Sit at the table.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I move the folder over to me.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's a glass there.
• 22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I move it over to me.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what's in it.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not drinking it.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: I just maybe it was mine.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_00: I said to this guy, can I bum a cigarette off?
• 22:10
  SPEAKER_00: You take a cigarette.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: I don't smoke.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: Got the cigarette.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: Looking around, looking around.
• 22:14
  SPEAKER_00: I said to this guy, order me another drink.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_00: I gotta run out.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: Because I want to run out the door with the folder.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because I got it now.
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: I make my beeper go off.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: And I go, Jesus Christ, I should have never married this bitch.
• 22:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm saying this real loud.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_00: A hundred times a day.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm telling this guy, a hundred times a day.
• 22:32
  SPEAKER_00: I can't take a shit.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And she calls me.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: I can't, I'm not in peace.
• 22:35
  SPEAKER_00: I can't believe this here.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_00: I said, do me a favor.
• 22:37
  SPEAKER_00: When the girl comes back, order me a doers and soda with a piece of lemon.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_00: I'll be back, pick it up, and I'll give you the money when I get back here.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: All right, I'll be right back.
• 22:47
  SPEAKER_00: Put it under my arm and walked out the door.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: That was the key piece of evidence that I brought down to the DA's office and they vouchered it.
• 22:54
  SPEAKER_00: That told what the whole meeting was about.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was just an impulsive thing that I did.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: Was I an undercover at the time?
• 23:01
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was doing undercover work, but it wasn't it wasn't my plan, was if I got caught there, yes, police.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm from the sex crimes unit.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: I got information that we have a truck driver who's driving a garbage truck.
• 23:15
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna be here.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: Listen, he he raped a 14-year-old kid.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: If it was your daughter, wouldn't you want me to be here?
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely, guys.
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: Come on, give me a play.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: I don't see the guy here.
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sorry to bother your meeting, and I'm leaving.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_00: That's what I was gonna do if I got caught.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: Good line of shit.
• 23:31
  SPEAKER_00: That was one of the things I did there with with the sanitation thing.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: We went, we went to a me and my partner went to um um a wedding at the Garden City Hotel, and we had a limousine outside with a periscope in the car, and what they're doing is their shooting was going in and out, and we had signals.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: I would walk outside.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: If I went like this, I mean my suit I like this, I had a cigarette in my hand, that meant that this guy was there.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: I walk inside, I come out, I take out my handkerchief, I blow my nose, I meant another guy was there.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: And these were the signals that we had.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_00: We never made it into the wedding, but we wound up sitting outside, and who do we meet?
• 24:18
  SPEAKER_00: We meet the groom and the best man.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Now we're at this bar where we could see what's going on, who's going in and out of the the uh it's me and my partner now.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_00: She was going in and out of the wedding, and there's a couple a couple of bimbos outside of the bar.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Say, you know, I got city money, I'm gonna throw some money around, you know.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: So we buy the bimbo's a drink to try to fit in.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Who are the two bimbos?
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: This this is crazy.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: The groom and the best man, the Stego Martas.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_00: This guy's getting married, he's got to go motting around at the bar.
• 24:47
  SPEAKER_00: You can't make this up.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_00: It was absolutely crazy.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: So, this is some of the adventures that uh we had in this case when uh we took the case down.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_00: We we executed, I think, 30 some odd search warrants one week, and then the following week we came back and had the arrest warrants done.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: We locked up everybody.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_00: We're at the uh the DA's office, everybody got their suit on.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Between you and me and a lampos, wise guys are 98% legit.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_00: It's that 2% that gets him jammed up.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_00: We locked them up, we didn't beat them up.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: We put them in a cell, we treated them like gentlemen.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean?
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_00: Did you ever have Ponti's restaurant?
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, Ponti's a big restaurant on the lower side.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_00: Ponti was a a big uh real estate mogul.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: He was he had a he had a um private sanitation company.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: He was in with the wise guys, he was an associate.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: Nice guy.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: We got these guys in the um in the cells, it's like two o'clock in the morning now.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: And so Ponti says that anybody, you know, did you we got we didn't eat?
• 25:46
  SPEAKER_00: Would you mind if we ordered food from the restaurant?
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: I said, you know, says to the boss, you wouldn't mind no, no problem.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_00: So he calls down, uh he said, Did you guys eat?
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: We didn't eat.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't eat, we didn't eat.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_00: We've been here with you.
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_00: He calls down, calls down the um calls down to the restaurant.
• 26:05
  SPEAKER_00: About a half hour later, the guy at the security guy calls up and goes, Did you guys order food?
• 26:09
  SPEAKER_00: We said, Yeah.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody's gonna come down and get it.
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: We came down here.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_00: This guy ordered a feast.
• 26:14
  SPEAKER_00: So we opened up the cells and these guys ate at the desks with us.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_00: We were just like a bunch of bunch of friends.
• 26:21
  SPEAKER_00: Then we put them back in the cell.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_00: They weren't gonna fight us, they weren't drug dealers.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_00: They were basically nice guys, but you know, they were controlling an industry.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: And this industry that was being controlled, they weren't beating me up, they weren't beating you up.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_00: The general public was getting hit with the organized crime tax by raising this, raising that, and we knocked that out temporarily.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_00: And what is horrible about this is Giuliani took credit for this whole case.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: This case was in existence two years or so before he got elected.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: Now, Giuliani promoted the undercover to first grade, rightfully so.
• 26:55
  SPEAKER_00: He promoted the sergeant, I'll mention his name, God rest his soul, Tony Mazziati, a great, great man.
• 27:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he gave him the money.
• 27:03
  SPEAKER_00: The lieutenant, who was a complete thorn in our side, he got the money also.
• 27:08
  SPEAKER_00: He got commander's pay.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: And nobody liked him.
• 27:10
  SPEAKER_00: The DA's office didn't even like him.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna mention his name.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: He is passed on also.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_00: I do not want to disrespect him.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we're high-fiving each other.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: We I'm on the top of the world.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_00: Bill Bratton is there.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_00: I got pictures of this.
• 27:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I what I did was I made up um shirts.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_00: I could send you a picture of it.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_00: I'm holding up the shirt with Bill Bratton.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_00: I have a picture of a garbage truck with the hand from the Godfather with the marionette strings.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_00: I made that a logo.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: The DA's off.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody loved it.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was good.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_00: I made them for everybody.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_00: Bratton says, these guys are getting a field promotion today.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Tell me everybody else is on the grid.
• 27:44
  SPEAKER_00: We're all getting promoted.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: I five and this is the team that hated each other, kissing and hugging.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_00: We did it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: We did it.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: The bad news bears conquered organized crime.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: Everybody that hated us has now got mud on their face because we did it.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: It was just an amazing feat.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: September came.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Giuliani and Bratton had the falling out.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: Bratton leaves.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: The rumor, the story that we got is Giuliani burnt all the contracts that Bratton set forth.
• 28:13
  SPEAKER_00: None of us got promoted.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_00: That's my story.
• 28:16
  SPEAKER_00: After that, I said, I had gotten injured.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_00: I applied for three quarters.
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm out of here.
• 28:20
  SPEAKER_00: If they would have gotten me three quarters, I needed another surgery.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: I would have taken that surgery to help my arm.
• 28:27
  SPEAKER_00: But after I knew I wasn't gonna get promoted, I said, I'm not gonna take the surgery.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: And I waited till after I retired to get the surgery.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: My arm was locked in this position.
• 28:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if you could see this a big scar up here.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was locked in that position for about 18 months.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_00: Another story uh for another day is the uh health services division of the NYPD, in my opinion, is one of the most corrupt units out there.
• 28:51
  SPEAKER_00: Okay?
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: Horrible.
• 28:52
  SPEAKER_00: But that's another story for another day.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: I never try to get I never was in that situation with three-quarters, but I know as far you're not getting people think that you're getting great health care, you know, because you work for the New York City Police Department, the health service division.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Their job is just to put you back to work.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I had a surgery done.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: I actually had three surgeries on my my elbow.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: I lost the tip of the elbow and I crushed, I had the bursa sac removed, and the ulnar nerve got crushed with scar tissue.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_00: So they sent me to a doctor, and the doctor was not aggressive enough.
• 29:25
  SPEAKER_00: He decompressed the nerve, which means he took the scar tissue off the nerve.
• 29:29
  SPEAKER_00: When you touch that nerve, this here was was const constantly no, I still got tingling in here.
• 29:35
  SPEAKER_00: This is from 1995.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, I lost grip.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there's just a lot of things go on.
• 29:40
  SPEAKER_00: This guy screwed me up.
• 29:42
  SPEAKER_00: This doctor made a mistake that the NYPD sent me to.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now, scar tissue comes back and it entraps the capsules in my arm.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: So my arm is locked in this position.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: Now, they send me back to uh health services.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: I needed a brace.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: The brace costs$3,000.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: What the brace did was it stretched the arm for 12 hours a day and then I had to pull it in.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: It was very painful to wear.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want to give me that brace.
• 30:10
  SPEAKER_00: They want to spend$100 on a brace.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: This is your doctor asking for this.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I go on like let me see, it was September.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: I go on three months and now my arm is locked, and then I finally get the brace and my my elbow's in locked position.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I stayed like that until I got off the job because they just stuck it to me.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, before that, when when you guys took that case down, the Genovese, I mean, it was all five families running that paper.
• 30:34
  SPEAKER_00: No, it was two.
• 30:35
  SPEAKER_00: It was the Genovese crime family, uh, and it was the Gambinos.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_01: Did you have any dealings with Ali Shades, Malagan O?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we did.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: A gentleman.
• 30:45
  SPEAKER_00: Beautiful guy.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: He you know, he just he was just a nice guy.
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he did what he had to do.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_00: He was uh he was a very prominent figure in the Genovese crime family, but he I'm telling you, he was a nice guy.
• 30:55
  SPEAKER_01: He was a capo in the Genevese.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_01: Were you guys ever were you guys ever close to getting to the Chin?
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: No, but we knew everything was going back to the Chin.
• 31:04
  SPEAKER_00: And uh in the case, we had the Chin's driver who passed away, and we had his illegitimate son.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_00: The Chin had a wife and a Gumado on the side that he had a kid with.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: And we were getting close to get the getting the son involved, but we didn't lock him up.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: But um as I understand it, the Chin was a a nice guy, you know.
• 31:27
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I interview I interviewed his daughter.
• 31:29
  SPEAKER_01: She she had a unique perspective on her dad.
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_01: It was interesting.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_01: I say I I suggest you watch it.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was pretty interesting.
• 31:37
  SPEAKER_01: There was another guy from the Genovese, Frank Giovanacau.
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_01: I locked him up.
• 31:41
  SPEAKER_01: Was he the basically like the point guard in this whole thing?
• 31:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, first of all, I know Rita.
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: To me, she's a sweetheart.
• 31:48
  SPEAKER_00: Very nice lady.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_00: I have the utmost respect for her.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I speak to her here and there.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: Frankie G, he was, he was, uh he ran the there was two, it was the Manhattan Trade Waste Association.
• 32:02
  SPEAKER_00: There's two trade waste associations.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: The title doesn't, it doesn't uh come to me right now.
• 32:06
  SPEAKER_00: But Frankie G ran one of them.
• 32:08
  SPEAKER_00: We we sat on Frankie G forever.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_00: We followed him every day.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_00: He was one of the guys I arrested.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: I arrested him, and I arrested a guy named Joe Francolino, who took over Jimmy Brown Faila's spot.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because when Jimmy Brown went to prison, they put Joe Francolino in his spot.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: He was being groomed to be a capo, so he ran garbage.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_00: He also owned, he owned the carting company in Manhattan.
• 32:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was Emerald Carting or something.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: I did the search warrant there.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: Joe Francolino, an absolute gentleman.
• 32:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I fingerprinted him, I treated him like gold, he treated me like gold.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: From the days in the past, we knew some of the same people, and I and I said, listen, out of respect for uh so-and-so, I let him turn himself into me.
• 32:52
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't get locked up in the initial phase.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_00: I let him turn himself into me.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_00: I took him through the back doors, I treated him like a gentleman, and he appreciated that.
• 33:00
  SPEAKER_00: Because, you know, you catch more bees with honey.
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: My what I was gonna try to do was, of course, try to, I don't know, you know, I'm gonna try to roll some of these guys.
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: Frankie G.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I locked him up.
• 33:12
  SPEAKER_00: He got locked up on the um the same day of all the arrests.
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: He I let him turn themselves into me.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Come in like a gentleman, we take you upstairs, whatever.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, of course, we had to debrief all of them.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I took Frankie G and I said, you know, da da da, look.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know what I got you here for, okay?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: I have no axe to grind, I got nothing against you.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's nothing personal.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_00: You guys did what you did.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the shit that we have is on a wiretap.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's you guys talking, not me.
• 33:36
  SPEAKER_00: I said, uh, I can help you if you help me.
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: He goes, So what are you talking about?
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You know what I want.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: I want information.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_00: He said to me, My friend, I'll do 20 years standing on my head.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's exactly what he told me.
• 33:48
  SPEAKER_00: I'm only doing my job.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_00: I don't mean to insult you and offend you.
• 33:51
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate your integrity.
• 33:53
  SPEAKER_00: Then we start talking a little further.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: He says, You know, Lou, you're a regular guy.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: If I met you at a backyard barbecue or at a wedding or something or a party, we'd be friends.
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 34:04
  SPEAKER_00: He's right.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Because I understood.
• 34:08
  SPEAKER_00: I understood how they talked, I understood what they meant.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: Because at one time I was, I won't say I was in that life, but I was rubbing shoulders with these kind of guys.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I I do believe in many of the things that if you study organized crime, I do believe in a lot of things that they believe in.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_00: One of them in particular is you never and I I live by this, you never look at anybody's wife, sister, mother, or daughter, except with proper intentions.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: If I came to your house and I knocked on your door and I said, hello, Mr.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: Ferrari, me and Vic were going hunting, and she said, Oh, well, he just went to get a container of milk.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: Miss Ferrari, I'm I gotta run and get gas in my car.
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: I will not step foot in your house.
• 34:49
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's what's ingrained in me, and that's what I believe in.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, ratting is another story, which a lot of guys today, I don't understand how they roll, but none of my business.
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: It's a it's a different type of guy.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_01: When you guys took down that case, I think it was I think you said it was 12 million recovered.
• 35:05
  SPEAKER_01: 321 million.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_01: How long did it take to voucher all that money?
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it wasn't vouchered like that.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was they crushed their businesses.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: They charged.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no, but didn't you guys pull in a pile of cash on the case?
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_00: Take that?
• 35:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's it's forever.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when you hit the businesses, like one particular business business I did, I think they had like 12 million in cash.
• 35:27
  SPEAKER_00: You take it back to the DA's office and you got people helping you.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't take a dime.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't take a dime.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_01: No, I wasn't suggesting that.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, no.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_01: I I recovered 38 grand in the trunk of a car, and it took us about eight hours to count it and re-count it and recount it to be 100% sure.
• 35:45
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when we went out, the day we did the search warrants, the night before, they covertly brought 300 detectives into police plaza, and they said tomorrow at 0600 hours, you have to be here, and we're gonna do this operation.
• 35:59
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna tell you what it's about.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: We had I'm the guy who put this together, we had boxes for each each place.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: In that box, I had pictures of the place that is the people, the cars.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: There wasn't anything you didn't need to know.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_00: I played an intricate part in doing that because a lot of guys didn't want to do it.
• 36:19
  SPEAKER_00: I sat on Frankie Javinko's phone and I looked at all of the all of the phone calls he made in a period of like two years.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I decided I got probable cause out of that.
• 36:31
  SPEAKER_00: I decided that if he's talking to somebody more than 20 minutes, he's doing business with their phone.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I got I was able to get a search warrant.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_00: I was able to develop probable cause because the judge and the DA's office believed that that's that's the way to do it.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_00: If you know if I'm talking, hey Vic, you do what he done.
• 36:46
  SPEAKER_00: You go, hey, all right, I'll talk to you later.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: Five minutes you're off the phone.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: But when they start talking in Lent, we used a 20-minute mark.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: And what I did was I looked at every phone call, documented, uh, this number he called on this day he spoke 15 minutes.
• 37:01
  SPEAKER_00: I had phone numbers in folders all over the place.
• 37:04
  SPEAKER_00: It was sucked, it was tedious, but I did it because it was like a challenge to me.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: I know it was a multi-defendant case.
• 37:11
  SPEAKER_00: How many of them got time?
• 37:13
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you something?
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_00: Before this went into the trial phase, I got three-quarters and I was gone.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_00: So John Gotti said, anybody in his family affiliated with him, everybody goes to trial.
• 37:27
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody takes a plea.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: The majority of people just I got the paperwork someplace.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: The majority of people took pleas, but they get banged with heavy, heavy fines.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: Most of the people now are dead.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Frankie Javin Frankie Javinco got locked up again in an aftercase.
• 37:40
  SPEAKER_00: He did time.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_00: He came out, he got locked up again.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_00: I don't follow this too closely anymore, but he got locked up with uh DeCin's um son Vinny doing something else.
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's all, you know, organized crime type stuff.
• 37:52
  SPEAKER_00: Racketeering.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_00: Was that case federal or did it go through the Manhattan DAs?
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: Went to the Manhattan DA's office.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: We were sworn to secrecy, not to let the feds know about it.
• 38:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because the feds for 50 years, you know how the politics go.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: The feds for 50 years were trying to get into this industry and they couldn't do it.
• 38:11
  SPEAKER_00: And the the bad news bears conquered organized crime, which is it wasn't supposed to happen.
• 38:16
  SPEAKER_00: It did happen.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Another day, another way, I could tell you stories that that happened in the team, which is the human side of what went on.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_00: Me and my partner, we got stuck on the wire.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the wire don't go off all the time.
• 38:30
  SPEAKER_00: We knew what time we're you know, we're usually gonna go off.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: We w we were in a house.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: We opened up the front door of the house, the rear door of the house, we turned a barbecue table over, and we're shooting bows.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_00: We're we're practicing for the hunting season.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: Pun, shooting them through the house.
• 38:44
  SPEAKER_00: Don't anybody come through the living room, pum.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_00: We're shooting arrows through the house.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you can't make this stuff up.
• 38:50
  SPEAKER_00: This is stuff that really happened.
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: How close was the book Operation Wasteland to what really happened?
• 38:56
  SPEAKER_00: Can I tell you something?
• 38:57
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't read it.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_00: Fair enough.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 38:59
  SPEAKER_00: And the reason why I didn't read it, I had a great amount of respect for the undercover.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_00: He did a phenomenal job, but we were out there protecting him.
• 39:09
  SPEAKER_00: We did what we had to do, and sometimes um he was a little laxadaisical.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: He used to get summonses on his car, we had to run to the courts and take it.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he was he was the mangazine.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: He was we were the spokes on the wheel, and he was the hub.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: Nice guy.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: I liked him.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: I never had any problems with him.
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_00: But when he wrote that book, if you read the book, it was I me.
• 39:30
  SPEAKER_00: And when the the Mets won the World Series, they didn't give the pitcher, the first baseman, and the catcher all the credit.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's only got one line with my name in there.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: And I I think I deserve see, I didn't know what he did, but he didn't know what we did.
• 39:47
  SPEAKER_00: He he the information that he got for us, we had to go out there and we had to, you know, we had to hit the streets and this and that, and we had to find and corroborate all the stuff.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: We did the DD5s.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_00: You know, there are in the DA's office right now, there are more than 400 boxes with evidentiary material in it.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_01: From that case.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: From that case.
• 40:07
  SPEAKER_00: Because we had it, we had to foil it to help with our movie thing.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_01: That's what I wanted to ask you.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_01: So you're retired now.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_01: What are you doing to keep yourself busy these days?
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: Actually, I moved to Alabama.
• 40:18
  SPEAKER_00: I invested in a business down here, which has now been sold.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: And I am a certified Olympic judo coach.
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: So for 10 years I taught judo down here.
• 40:27
  SPEAKER_00: And I dabbled with writing a book, and that just came into fruition uh recently.
• 40:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I no longer do judo because since 1995 I've probably had more than 20 surgeries with my elbow, two knee replacements, uh, a whole bunch of stuff.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm all banged up.
• 40:42
  SPEAKER_00: I've abused my body.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh I I did good with the judo.
• 40:47
  SPEAKER_00: I liked it.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I started in 1970 and I hold a fairly high rank.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not a world champion, but uh I'm a judo coach.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: It's not about what I do, it's about what I can get you to do.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: I was the director for uh judo for the Alabama State Games.
• 41:01
  SPEAKER_00: I ran one of the largest Olympic judo events in the New York metropolitan area, and I had a nice career.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't make any money.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't do it for money.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: I did it because it was it was a love.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: It made my it shaped me.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: It's not like the Brazilian jujitsu or these make-believe karate guys.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: This was judo.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: I got my rank from Japan.
• 41:20
  SPEAKER_00: I also have rank in Tang Sudo, Mudukwan, Taekwondo, which is absolutely useless.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_00: It's a sport.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_00: And uh also I created a system of training called Ultimate Warrior Training, which I can teach you to take a firearm from someone in 25 one hundredths of a second.
• 41:36
  SPEAKER_00: And I copy wrote all of that, that training.
• 41:39
  SPEAKER_00: And that that's basically what I do.
• 41:40
  SPEAKER_00: I do seminars here, there.
• 41:41
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm I've slowed down a lot.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: This this book situation is blowing up, and I'm very happy.
• 41:46
  SPEAKER_00: It's very hard to write a book.
• 41:49
  SPEAKER_01: Tell me about it.
• 41:50
  SPEAKER_00: You did it.
• 41:51
  SPEAKER_00: The hardest part is you can write a book, you gotta market it, you gotta get in front of the right people, and that's what I'm going through now.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: And a guy like you who's helping me, it's very much appreciated.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: I just gotta mid-range podcast, and that's why I started it to get my books out there.
• 42:06
  SPEAKER_01: Flu, what's the name of your book and where can our listeners pick up a copy?
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the name of my book is a Revenge Served Cold.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's on Amazon or it's on, or you could get it from Archway, which is a division of Simon Schuster.
• 42:21
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when I first did this and put it out there a couple years ago, it was stolen.
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I'm sure you've gone through this.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_00: There are a lot of shyster companies out there.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: When you reach out, okay, you reach out to get a publisher, somebody will contact you, and they'll you'll have an email address with two numbers that are different.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you think you're calling Maximilian, or you're calling this place, you're calling that place.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: And in the meantime, it's hello, how are you?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: What's your name?
• 42:46
  SPEAKER_00: My name is uh Larry Sanelli.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_00: Where are you from?
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_00: I'm from I'm from Illinois.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_00: And not knowing who these people are, they have they have the story.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_00: I I signed a contract with it with a lady.
• 42:59
  SPEAKER_00: That's how good she was.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_00: And then she referred me to her marketing team in Atlanta.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I kind of they wanted the whole manuscript.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_00: They want the manuscript because they're gonna steal it, then you're not gonna hear from them, and then they're gonna publish it in Pakistan, in Russia.
• 43:13
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't afford to go out there and try and fight them.
• 43:16
  SPEAKER_00: It doesn't matter if it's copywritten here.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 43:18
  SPEAKER_00: So the way, and I'll tell you, and I'll tell everybody else, and I put this out on Facebook, that I will help somebody who wants to do a book.
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_00: You get these companies, what you tell them is send me a copy of your driver's license.
• 43:32
  SPEAKER_00: They say, Oh, we don't do that.
• 43:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, then you know what?
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_00: Next time you call me, you FaceTime me.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_00: I want to see who you are.
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_00: And when I gave this company the manuscript, I gave them chapter one, chapter seven, chapter fourteen, chapter twenty three.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_00: So they could see the flow of my writing, but they can't steal the whole book.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the way I beat them.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: I lost nineteen hundred, I got that money back.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_00: I had to get the feds in to help me.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_00: The second time it got done to me, I was more careful.
• 43:58
  SPEAKER_00: But this lady, she was From Arizona, she was sharp as attack.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_00: She was unbelievable.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: She had me.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: I thought I thought she was legit.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: But The Threat of Force.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: And what's the name of your upcoming movie?
• 44:10
  SPEAKER_00: It's Operation Wasteland.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: You can go on YouTube, plug that in, and you'll see the teaser to it.
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: It's very interesting.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's a we tell the real story and then we tell the story between me and my partner.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: One of the funny scenes in there was in order to set up on Ponti's restaurant, we couldn't get close to it.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: On Thursday nights, the wise guys were all meet there with the uh garbage people and they discussed their business.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: We couldn't get close to them because there was a guy across the street who had the parking lot with the keys, cars.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_00: And if you got close and he saw you, he didn't know who you were, he ran in the restaurant.
• 44:45
  SPEAKER_00: And we found out that what he's doing is he's telling them what's going on.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: Now, you would think that the NYPD would take me and a female and send us in here to have dinner and take a look around.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: They don't want they didn't want to do that.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: This lieutenant that we had, he was a complete idiot.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_00: I would have ran it a complete different way.
• 45:05
  SPEAKER_00: He didn't want us to do this.
• 45:06
  SPEAKER_00: So me and my partner, we're covering the restaurant every Thursday.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: We park in a parking lot.
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_00: This is in the first precinct now, across the way.
• 45:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's West Street in De Broses, right off canal.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: We're in the parking lot, we're sitting there in the car, car goes by.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Somebody waves.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: Another car goes by, beep beep, beep, beep, beep.
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_00: They're beeping the horn.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 45:29
  SPEAKER_00: Another car goes by, they're like, what the hell's going on here?
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: It's a parking ride.
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: We go to the first precinct, one's a squad, say, listen, we're doing something over here.
• 45:38
  SPEAKER_00: What's what goes on in this parking lot?
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: It's a gay man's meeting place.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: True story.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: It's okay.
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_00: Now you got me and my partner.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_00: We're sitting in the car.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_00: Now we got our uh cameras with the long lenses.
• 45:50
  SPEAKER_00: We got all the surveillance equipment.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_00: Vic, what?
• 45:53
  SPEAKER_00: When you see this, if you look at the teaser, you'll what we tell the story.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Here's a guy in a black car, he's coming by again.
• 45:58
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hug me.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: What?
• 46:01
  SPEAKER_00: Give me a hug.
• 46:02
  SPEAKER_00: There we are in the car hugging each other.
• 46:04
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's the human side of the case that you can't put in the DD5.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: All right.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I'm gonna have the the links for Lu The Teaser to Lou's upcoming movie and his new book.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_01: And his new book, A Revenge Served Cold, and it's available out now on Amazon.
• 46:18
  SPEAKER_01: Lou Balastieri, thank you so much for being a guest on the show today.
• 46:21
  SPEAKER_00: Absolute Absol.
• 46:23
  SPEAKER_00: This particular book is not my life.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's actual things, it's fiction based on fact.
• 46:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's how organized crime works fictitiously, and it's how detectives work fictitiously, fictitious names and what have you.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: But the situations are very typical of what goes on in organized crime in the police department.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: It starts off in Sicily, where my my uh my family came from.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: I learned all about organized crime from my grandmother, and then I learned this crime by uh by being a detective.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: And it's got a cliffhanger ending, which nobody suspects, but it's gonna keep your interest.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it's it's very true to life as to the way the police department works and organized crime.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_01: Lou, thank you for spending your time with us today.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you very much.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_00: God bless.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_00: And if there's anything I can do to help you, pick up that phone and call me.
• 47:14
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• 47:22
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• 47:28
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• 47:31
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• 47:33
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• 47:38
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks again, everyone, and I'll see you next week.