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- 0:00Speaker 1: In the last Day's a bomb shiver. In the case
- 0:03Speaker 1: of a Florida children's book author and her husband accused
- 0:08Speaker 1: of horrific abuse of her adopted children, i'man I see grace.
- 0:14Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Thank you for being with us.
- 0:17Speaker 1: Did a successful Florida children's book author, Jennifer Wolfthal and
- 0:22Speaker 1: her husband Joseph Wolfthal, execute a year's long campaign of
- 0:28Speaker 1: horrific abuse, including beating her adopted children with a so
- 0:33Speaker 1: called whacker, forcing them to write lines over and over
- 0:37Speaker 1: and over like Harry Potter had to do, and feeding
- 0:41Speaker 1: them only a mixture of cereal and vegetable puree. The
- 0:47Speaker 1: little eight year old daughter rushed to the hospital critically ill,
- 0:53Speaker 1: put in ICU with a litany of medical emergencies such
- 0:59Speaker 1: as kidney and liver failure, sepsis, a staff infection, open
- 1:07Speaker 1: infected wounds on both legs, and pneumonia in both lungs.
- 1:15Speaker 1: According to an AFPHI David we obtain, the child also
- 1:18Speaker 1: suffered sores on her leg, infected and ruptured, a chipped,
- 1:24Speaker 1: two black eyes, and this little girl weighed only forty
- 1:30Speaker 1: pounds at age eight. There were also two other victims,
- 1:35Speaker 1: a nine year old boy and an eleven year old girl?
- 1:40Speaker 1: What more do we know about the abuse? Joining me
- 1:44Speaker 1: an all star panel to make sense of it all
- 1:47Speaker 1: if we can. First of all, a renowned defense attorney,
- 1:51Speaker 1: Atlanta trial lawyer Randy Kessler, Professor Emory Law School, past
- 1:56Speaker 1: cheer in the ABA, author of Divorce Protectors Elves Your Kids,
- 2:01Speaker 1: Your Future, and you can find Randy Kessler at Ksfamilylaw
- 2:07Speaker 1: dot com and on Instagram at r Kessler twenty three.
- 2:11Speaker 1: Karen Stark joining US psychologist out of Manhattan at Karenstark
- 2:15Speaker 1: dot com. Former comp now private investigator, started his own
- 2:20Speaker 1: PI firm, Crispin Special Investigations, and you can find him
- 2:25Speaker 1: at Crispin Investigations dot com. Special guests joining us from
- 2:29Speaker 1: child Help National Child Abuse Hotline as well, Daphne Young
- 2:34Speaker 1: and you can find her at Childhelp dot org. Renowned
- 2:39Speaker 1: pathologists joining us Doctor Michelle Dupree, forensic pathologist and author
- 2:44Speaker 1: of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and importal for today Investigating Child.
- 2:50Speaker 2: Abuse Field Guide.
- 2:52Speaker 1: Alexis Terestshut to you, first investigative reporter with Crime Online
- 2:56Speaker 1: dot com. Alexis, tell me about the injuries to this
- 3:01Speaker 1: little child?
- 3:01Speaker 2: What are they?
- 3:02Speaker 3: Oh?
- 3:03Speaker 4: My goodness, this little girl was taken to the hospital.
- 3:06Speaker 4: She had open wounds on her legs, So that means
- 3:11Speaker 4: not just you know, a scrape when you fall down
- 3:13Speaker 4: and fall at your bicothyr roller streets, but open bleeding
- 3:16Speaker 4: wounds that had not been taken care of. She had
- 3:18Speaker 4: sexist she had pneumonia in both lungs and multiple bruises.
- 3:24Speaker 4: In fact, on her neck and on her back there
- 3:26Speaker 4: were red marks as if she had been tied up.
- 3:29Speaker 1: You know, I'm trying to take in all the ailments
- 3:31Speaker 1: to this little girl, all the suffering she was going
- 3:35Speaker 1: through to you.
- 3:38Speaker 2: Randy Kesseloorer, Atlanta trial lawyer.
- 3:41Speaker 1: Isn't it true that if a teacher notices anything wrong
- 3:47Speaker 1: with a child, like bruises or a lot of cuts,
- 3:50Speaker 1: or anything to suggest a child has been abused, they
- 3:53Speaker 1: have to report it under the law.
- 3:55Speaker 5: Yes, so what we call a mandated reporter. Therapist, physicians, teachers,
- 4:00Speaker 5: if you notice something that leads you to think that
- 4:03Speaker 5: the child has been abused, it's your job to report
- 4:06Speaker 5: it to the authorities. So this is sort of the
- 4:09Speaker 5: whole world upside down that she got reported on instead
- 4:13Speaker 5: of being one reported Just incredible.
- 4:16Speaker 1: You know what it reminds me of Randy in case
- 4:18Speaker 1: I tried not too far from your office in the
- 4:20Speaker 1: Fulton County Superior Courthouse, and the defense name was Walter Gates,
- 4:28Speaker 1: and he at the time owned nearly all the horse
- 4:33Speaker 1: drawn carriage and livery trade in the city of Atlanta,
- 4:38Speaker 1: bottom line, rolling in money. And he was charged with
- 4:44Speaker 1: molesting two little girls aged three and five. I can
- 4:49Speaker 1: still remember them so well, just beautiful Randy. And I
- 4:55Speaker 1: got to investigating him, and you know how I love
- 4:58Speaker 1: similar transactions. I found out mister Walter Gates's oldest daughter,
- 5:05Speaker 1: who I later tracked down. Took me a long time.
- 5:08Speaker 1: She was living in a flophouse out into cab County.
- 5:12Speaker 1: I found her sitting in a bedroom in her slip
- 5:17Speaker 1: smelling like booze, not her breath, her skin and the
- 5:21Speaker 1: room smell like.
- 5:23Speaker 2: Cigarettes, old cigarettes.
- 5:25Speaker 1: There was a reason for that. Back when she was
- 5:28Speaker 1: in the seventh grade. I found a school detective had
- 5:34Speaker 1: filled out a report that this little girl thirteen at
- 5:38Speaker 1: the time, had come to school with a black eye
- 5:42Speaker 1: and a busted open lip. And she said her father,
- 5:47Speaker 1: Walter Gates, did it.
- 5:49Speaker 2: You know how many.
- 5:51Speaker 1: Little girls I found out he molested. That's the case
- 5:54Speaker 1: I got held in contempt for that case right there,
- 5:58Speaker 1: and all of you and you're ill. Defense attorneys all
- 6:01Speaker 1: piled into the courtroom, and it's just like amazing how
- 6:04Speaker 1: they found out so quickly to see me get fingerprinted. Well,
- 6:09Speaker 1: what I'm saying is an open wound. And the teacher
- 6:15Speaker 1: told a school detective. But guess what, nothing was done.
- 6:21Speaker 1: Sounds like the same thing in this case, Randy Cassel.
- 6:23Speaker 5: It does. And the worst thing that happened to him,
- 6:25Speaker 5: and the best things to that victim is that you
- 6:26Speaker 5: were assigned to prosecute that case. Fancy, But you know,
- 6:29Speaker 5: even worse is.
- 6:31Speaker 1: That pos is behind bars and let me just tell
- 6:34Speaker 1: you that's a technical legal term.
- 6:36Speaker 2: Go ahead.
- 6:37Speaker 5: And even worse, these parents are adoptive parents. I mean,
- 6:41Speaker 5: there's something special we think. Adoptive parents in my world
- 6:44Speaker 5: are very special human beings that take in children that
- 6:47Speaker 5: don't have a family. To that, I mean, talk about
- 6:50Speaker 5: adding insult to injury. It's just unbelievable. The setup fact is,
- 6:55Speaker 5: I can't comprehend it.
- 6:56Speaker 1: But you know what I think, I'm remembering a very
- 6:59Speaker 1: critical fact to Alexis Teschuk. They weren't reported by school teacher,
- 7:04Speaker 1: But weren't they homeschooled. Exactly.
- 7:07Speaker 4: These three children, all under the age of twelve, are homeschooled.
- 7:10Speaker 4: And here's the thing. She was also an elementary school teacher.
- 7:14Speaker 4: So of course, wha.
- 7:16Speaker 1: Wha wait, I know that the mom is a very
- 7:20Speaker 1: well known author of children's books. The big hit for
- 7:23Speaker 1: her was called quote a Real Friend by Jennifer Wolfthall.
- 7:30Speaker 1: That is mommy's name. They adopt three children. I'm looking
- 7:34Speaker 1: at their home. It looks like, you know, a ranch house.
- 7:38Speaker 1: They've got an enclosed backyard, a lot of nice grass,
- 7:42Speaker 1: it's landscaped. It looks great. You know what you can do,
- 7:46Speaker 1: tree lined neighborhood.
- 7:47Speaker 2: What you know?
- 7:49Speaker 4: What you cannot see in that picture that the police
- 7:50Speaker 4: said was a terrifying detail inside that house, the children
- 7:55Speaker 4: were at their bedroom. The handles on the door were
- 7:58Speaker 4: reversed in the was outside, so the parents could lock
- 8:02Speaker 4: them inside this house. That's what you don't see in
- 8:04Speaker 4: the House of Horrors from the outside.
- 8:06Speaker 2: You know. Alexis terrashuk.
- 8:07Speaker 1: Do you remember how much I wanted the twins.
- 8:12Speaker 6: Yeah, and there.
- 8:13Speaker 2: Were a lot of close calls.
- 8:15Speaker 1: Can you even imagine someone tracing these children this way?
- 8:20Speaker 4: No, they adopted them too, even extra extra steps to
- 8:24Speaker 4: take care of and love children, and these kids were
- 8:27Speaker 4: actually telling these people, we don't want to go back there.
- 8:30Speaker 4: We don't want to be there.
- 8:37Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the Last Days a
- 8:44Speaker 1: bombshell in the case of a very successful Florida children's
- 8:48Speaker 1: book author, she and her husband learned their fate for
- 8:53Speaker 1: years of horrific abuse heaped upon her adopted children tried
- 9:00Speaker 1: after charges of aggravated child abuse and neglect with great
- 9:05Speaker 1: bodily harm. They will serve twelve years and ten years, respectively.
- 9:10Speaker 1: Twelve for her, ten for him. This is pursuit to
- 9:14Speaker 1: a plea deal. What does that mean? They would likely
- 9:17Speaker 1: get much worse if they went to trial. I frankly
- 9:21Speaker 1: think they should have gone to trial and each one
- 9:23Speaker 1: get twenty to life. But going forward, prosecutors now say
- 9:28Speaker 1: the children are living with another family and the wolf
- 9:32Speaker 1: Thals will spend quote significant time in prison while the
- 9:35Speaker 1: other family protects the already traumatized victims from the stress
- 9:40Speaker 1: of having to testify. I don't know about that. I'd
- 9:44Speaker 1: like to see him go to jail for life. This
- 9:46Speaker 1: case shocked and sickened the Florida community where they lived.
- 9:51Speaker 1: Catch this the adopted dad, Joseph Wolthaal, initially tried to
- 9:56Speaker 1: claim the little eight year old daughter that ended up
- 9:58Speaker 1: in the intensive care unit got her injuries by falling
- 10:02Speaker 1: over and quote brushing her teeth too hard. Oh my stars.
- 10:08Speaker 1: When Seminole County Sheriffs arised at the home, they found
- 10:12Speaker 1: two other severely malnourished children. Discovered their bedrooms had locks
- 10:17Speaker 1: from the outside. The children described regular daily beatings by
- 10:23Speaker 1: their appearance, including the use of a whacker. They only
- 10:27Speaker 1: got a mixture of cereal flakes, water, and vegetable mush
- 10:32Speaker 1: to eat. When they did get that, the children were
- 10:36Speaker 1: forced to write out humiliating phrases thousands of time, and
- 10:40Speaker 1: one example, deputies found over eleven hundred written paragraphs saying,
- 10:45Speaker 1: my body stays flat on the bed at all times.
- 10:48Speaker 1: I was never given permission to move or say anything else.
- 10:52Speaker 1: Now I get to write about this along with everything else.
- 10:55Speaker 1: I am a fool. That's what the child had to
- 10:57Speaker 1: write over and over and over. Oh what more do
- 11:02Speaker 1: we know? Take a listen to our friend Jackie Howard
- 11:05Speaker 1: at crime online dot com.
- 11:08Speaker 7: Growing up in Florida, the now forty one year old
- 11:10Speaker 7: woman loved playing teacher, She says she would line up
- 11:13Speaker 7: her stuffed animals for students in a class. As an adult,
- 11:17Speaker 7: she followed that early trend, graduating from the University of
- 11:21Speaker 7: Central Florida with a BA in elementary education and for
- 11:24Speaker 7: eight years taught fourth grade in public school. She met
- 11:28Speaker 7: and married Joseph Wolfthal. While Jennifer Wolfthal taught school, her
- 11:33Speaker 7: now thirty nine year old husband worked as a software
- 11:35Speaker 7: analysts had Lockheed Martin. In twenty fourteen, the couple adopted
- 11:39Speaker 7: three children, and the school teacher became an author. Jennifer
- 11:43Speaker 7: Wolfthal published a children's book entitled A Real Friend. The
- 11:47Speaker 7: picture book, intended for ages four and up, is about
- 11:50Speaker 7: best friends who get into a fight and.
- 11:52Speaker 1: How they patch up their quarrel. You know, it's amazing
- 11:55Speaker 1: to me at Karen Stark, a New York psychologists. You
- 11:58Speaker 1: can find her at Karenstark dot com. Karen how someone
- 12:03Speaker 1: doesn't just get pregnant and have children. It's no accident.
- 12:06Speaker 1: They go through so.
- 12:08Speaker 2: Much to adopt these three.
- 12:10Speaker 1: She Jennifer Wolfall and the husband, Joseph, they go through
- 12:14Speaker 1: all that to have these children. Then they turn up
- 12:17Speaker 1: at the hospital and in this advance state of illness,
- 12:22Speaker 1: kidney failure, liver failure. Hold on, doctor Michelle Dupree, what
- 12:27Speaker 1: is exactly kidney failure and liver failure and sepsis? What
- 12:32Speaker 1: are those three things? Don't you have a long time
- 12:38Speaker 1: lead up to that? Can't you tell something is wrong?
- 12:42Speaker 6: Nancy? Yes, exactly. That'sis actually is a form of blood
- 12:47Speaker 6: poisoning or an infection that has gone awry in the
- 12:51Speaker 6: body that gets into the bloodstream and basically goes to
- 12:54Speaker 6: every organ in the body, including the brain, the lungs,
- 12:57Speaker 6: the liver, the kidneys, everything that is supplied by blood.
- 13:02Speaker 6: Sepsis can actually be fatal or lethal within twelve hours
- 13:06Speaker 6: if it's severe enough, so that's a very serious complication.
- 13:12Speaker 6: Renal failure again, the kidneys shut down. They do not
- 13:15Speaker 6: then process the waste and the toxins in the body,
- 13:19Speaker 6: allowing them to build up. Liver failure of the same thing,
- 13:23Speaker 6: The liver doesn't work anymore. All of these things can
- 13:26Speaker 6: actually be caused by malnutrition, which we know that this
- 13:31Speaker 6: child suffered.
- 13:33Speaker 1: How can you look at a child until it's malnutritioned,
- 13:37Speaker 1: I mean, other than obviously we would know that child
- 13:39Speaker 1: was thin.
- 13:39Speaker 6: But other than that, there are a lot of subs fancy.
- 13:43Speaker 6: One of course, is muscle wasting because the body begins
- 13:46Speaker 6: to eat the muscle to have something to survive on.
- 13:49Speaker 6: Sunken eyes, retractions in the lung or the rib area
- 13:53Speaker 6: and in the neck area as well. The skin becomes
- 13:57Speaker 6: very we call it turbid, which is very sort of
- 14:01Speaker 6: pasty look and very dehydrated.
- 14:05Speaker 1: Guys, what happened to these three children, ages eight, nine
- 14:08Speaker 1: and eleven. Renal failure, liver failure, sepsis, malnutrition, open wounds.
- 14:14Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut one. This is Amanda
- 14:17Speaker 1: Duke's a Wesh two Wesh.
- 14:20Speaker 8: Forty one year old Jennifer Waffall of Castlebury was arrested
- 14:24Speaker 8: New Year's Day on charges of aggravated child abuse and
- 14:28Speaker 8: neglect after investigators say a child in her care was
- 14:32Speaker 8: hospitalized in critical condition. According to the arrest, AffA David,
- 14:36Speaker 8: an eight year old girl was brought to the hospital
- 14:39Speaker 8: with a variety of injuries. Seminole County Sheriff's deputies interviewed
- 14:43Speaker 8: a relative who told them Waffthaal had claimed the child's
- 14:47Speaker 8: injuries came from a series of accidents and falls, but
- 14:50Speaker 8: the arrest Affi David says investigators determined the girl's bruises
- 14:54Speaker 8: and severe cuts were not from injuries. They found the
- 14:58Speaker 8: girl to be critically ill and took her to the
- 15:00Speaker 8: pediatric Intensive care unit at Edventelth Accidents.
- 15:06Speaker 1: They found the girl was critically ill, but the mom
- 15:10Speaker 1: says the bruises and severe cuts were just from accidents
- 15:15Speaker 1: and falls. As a matter of fact, take a listen
- 15:18Speaker 1: to our cut forward. Dave McDaniel wish to forty one year.
- 15:22Speaker 9: Old Jennifer wolf Fall was back in front of a
- 15:24Speaker 9: judge at the Summoner County Jail Wednesday afternoon, exactly where
- 15:28Speaker 9: the children's book author was a few weeks ago. She
- 15:31Speaker 9: now has new charge as a false imprisonment. Early January,
- 15:34Speaker 9: her rest came after an eight year old allegedly in
- 15:37Speaker 9: her care needed to be hospitalized with severe injuries. Injuries
- 15:41Speaker 9: wolf false had came from slips and falls, and explanation
- 15:44Speaker 9: medical staff didn't believe.
- 15:46Speaker 2: Slips and falls.
- 15:48Speaker 1: An eight year old slips and falls and gets kidney failure.
- 15:53Speaker 1: You know the dichotomy, Randy Casseler. I guess you see
- 15:56Speaker 1: it in court all the time, the public image that
- 16:00Speaker 1: someone gives off compared to what's really going on with them. Here,
- 16:07Speaker 1: You've actually got a children's author, an elementary school teacher
- 16:12Speaker 1: who is clearly beating her children and starving them. But
- 16:17Speaker 1: no one would know that. Nobody at the schools, nobody
- 16:20Speaker 1: in the neighborhood obviously, not her publisher or people that
- 16:23Speaker 1: buy her books.
- 16:25Speaker 5: Incredible, even a degree in elementary education. It's you know,
- 16:28Speaker 5: we always hear when you interview the neighbors of the
- 16:31Speaker 5: dependents and perchs, they always say, oh, he was the
- 16:34Speaker 5: nicest guy. They would never have done that, over and
- 16:37Speaker 5: over and over. You know, when you're a lawyer like
- 16:39Speaker 5: I am, you see behind closed doors people walk in,
- 16:41Speaker 5: they look normal, and they start to tell you the facts
- 16:43Speaker 5: of their situation. It's incredible. It makes me jaded. I
- 16:46Speaker 5: walk around the world sometimes and I look at people
- 16:48Speaker 5: and I think I want to do what they really like,
- 16:50Speaker 5: because it is just unbelievable what is behind the facade
- 16:54Speaker 5: of so many people. It's a sad thing.
- 16:57Speaker 2: It's hard. Have you ever felt that same way?
- 17:00Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, former law enforcement now with his own PI firm,
- 17:04Speaker 1: Crispin Special Investigations. After all we see all you see,
- 17:09Speaker 1: do you ever have a hard time excepting that anybody's
- 17:12Speaker 1: really as they present.
- 17:15Speaker 10: Absolutely, it's tough. You know, you try to compartmentalize these
- 17:18Speaker 10: and put them behind you. But when you work these cases,
- 17:21Speaker 10: and I've worked a lot of these cases. I worked
- 17:23Speaker 10: a lot of crimes against children in my day, you know,
- 17:26Speaker 10: it's tough. And like your last guest just said, you
- 17:29Speaker 10: walk around and you kind of look at people and
- 17:31Speaker 10: you wonder what's going on behind closed doors. But you
- 17:33Speaker 10: know what, that's what that's what we signed up for.
- 17:35Speaker 1: That's what we did.
- 17:36Speaker 10: We helped a lot of people. But yeah, it absolutely
- 17:38Speaker 10: does change your thought process and to try to compartmentalize it.
- 17:42Speaker 10: But it's tough sometimes, guys.
- 17:43Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
- 17:44Speaker 1: nine Dave McDaniel that wish to and married with McDonald.
- 17:48Speaker 9: Jennifer Wilfall told authorities the injuries to the child were
- 17:51Speaker 9: from a series of falls and mishaps, but medical experts
- 17:54Speaker 9: didn't agree. The arrest report for Joseph Wolfall indicates that
- 17:58Speaker 9: the doorknobs on the children's bedrooms we're installed with the
- 18:01Speaker 9: locking mechanism on the outside of the room backwards, and
- 18:05Speaker 9: that papers found at the home included someone writing my
- 18:08Speaker 9: body stays flat on the bed at all times, Nan
- 18:12Speaker 9: never given permission to move or say anything. The Sheriff's
- 18:16Speaker 9: office isn't commenting at this time, saying the reports speak
- 18:19Speaker 9: for themselves, and the report investigators indicate they don't want
- 18:22Speaker 9: to have Joseph Wilfall have any contact with Jennifer Wilfall
- 18:25Speaker 9: if he's released from jail, or any contact with the
- 18:27Speaker 9: three children. He's quoted as saying, can I call my attorney?
- 18:32Speaker 1: So that's what he's got to say. The dad, Can
- 18:34Speaker 1: I call my lawyer? Not how are my children? How's
- 18:37Speaker 1: my daughter in intensive care? But can I call my lawyer?
- 18:42Speaker 1: One child in intensive care, the other two starving, the
- 18:45Speaker 1: one in intensive care, kidney liver failure, septs is, staff infection,
- 18:49Speaker 1: open infected wounds on both legs, pneumonia in both lungs,
- 18:54Speaker 1: a long list of ailmut's, malnutritions, bruises, skin infections. In interviews,
- 19:00Speaker 1: one of the little girl's told deputies her parents would
- 19:03Speaker 1: constantly tell her she quote couldn't stop sinning, that she
- 19:08Speaker 1: would be disciplined for not going to the bathroom at
- 19:10Speaker 1: quote proper times and not performing her exercises or refusing
- 19:16Speaker 1: to eat the vegetable puri and serial mix oh. The
- 19:21Speaker 1: little eleven year old girl a nine year old boy
- 19:23Speaker 1: both told deputies that every night they would have cold
- 19:26Speaker 1: water poured over them while they lay in bed as punishment,
- 19:30Speaker 1: and then have to lay there in the cold, wet
- 19:32Speaker 1: sheets all night. One little girl, who had not interacted
- 19:36Speaker 1: with her brother and sister or any other adults in years,
- 19:40Speaker 1: said she quote tried to keep track of the days
- 19:42Speaker 1: and months by counting in her head that she had
- 19:45Speaker 1: not taken a bath in months and was denied band
- 19:49Speaker 1: aids for open wounds on her arms. If you could
- 19:54Speaker 1: see this book, the mother wrote, called a real friend
- 19:58Speaker 1: with children hugging on the front this woman. The deputies
- 20:03Speaker 1: stated it was evident that children were scared to leave
- 20:05Speaker 1: their rooms, even to go to the bathroom at night,
- 20:08Speaker 1: resulting in them wetting their pants and sleeping in urine
- 20:12Speaker 1: every day rather than risk leaving their rooms or communicating
- 20:17Speaker 1: with each other. What more do we know? Straight to you,
- 20:21Speaker 1: Alexis teresta crime online dot Com investigative reporter, Why can
- 20:25Speaker 1: you tell me about a device?
- 20:26Speaker 2: Call the quote whacker.
- 20:29Speaker 4: So the children have told the police that they were abused,
- 20:32Speaker 4: they were beaten with someone called the whacker, and it's
- 20:34Speaker 4: described as like an oblong object, a wooden object that
- 20:38Speaker 4: was covered with a thin piece of material and they
- 20:40Speaker 4: were just hit over and over and over again in
- 20:43Speaker 4: the exact same spot, which is how there were open wounds.
- 20:47Speaker 4: We cause them to bleed, and this is what these
- 20:50Speaker 4: children were beaten with.
- 20:51Speaker 1: It's my understanding that when finally interviewed, the other two
- 20:55Speaker 1: siblings stated that they would have cold water poured them
- 21:00Speaker 1: while they lay in bed as punishment.
- 21:03Speaker 4: Every night. They said this would happen. They were in
- 21:06Speaker 4: so much trouble that parents would come in and they
- 21:08Speaker 4: would throw the cold water when they had no blankets.
- 21:10Speaker 4: They were not allowed to get up and clean up
- 21:13Speaker 4: or do anything like this. These kids were tortured, and
- 21:17Speaker 4: the mom told them that the children told the investigators
- 21:21Speaker 4: that what they were told is that they were sinners.
- 21:24Speaker 4: They kept spinning and that's why they had to be punished.
- 21:26Speaker 1: Joining you right now, the national chief Communications Officer with
- 21:30Speaker 1: Child Help dot Org. Our friend Daphne Young. Daphne, you know,
- 21:36Speaker 1: sometimes I agree with Robert Crispin and Randy Kessler. It's
- 21:41Speaker 1: hard to look at the world and see good when
- 21:44Speaker 1: you find out about people like Jennifer Walthall and Joseph Walthall.
- 21:48Speaker 1: Another thing I found out Daphne, as the children were
- 21:52Speaker 1: so afraid to leave their rooms at night, they would
- 21:54Speaker 1: be forced to wet the bed or urinate in their
- 21:59Speaker 1: own clothing. I would be forced to sleep in it
- 22:01Speaker 1: all night through the next day, that have to wear it.
- 22:05Speaker 3: This is so upsetting because the viciousness and the premeditation
- 22:09Speaker 3: of so much of this abuse is It's familiar to.
- 22:13Speaker 4: Me in many ways.
- 22:14Speaker 3: But oftentimes the parents that do this depersonalize their children right.
- 22:18Speaker 3: They look at them as things that they can act upon.
- 22:21Speaker 3: And one shocking window into this woman's psyche comes from
- 22:25Speaker 3: reading a real best friend.
- 22:26Speaker 4: I reviewed her book. I looked through it.
- 22:29Speaker 3: And little kids get in a fight, one goes away,
- 22:33Speaker 3: another builds a robot version of that kid, and it
- 22:36Speaker 3: doesn't bring him joy because that thing doesn't respond. So
- 22:40Speaker 3: she understood depersonalizing a child, turning a child into a thing,
- 22:44Speaker 3: and that a real child is a joy. And so
- 22:47Speaker 3: the fact that she literally wrote the Book of Right
- 22:50Speaker 3: and Wrong on depersonalization is a disturbing look at a
- 22:54Speaker 3: certain kind of person living a double life. Here you
- 22:58Speaker 3: see me on Twitter and I've got butterfly eyes and
- 23:00Speaker 3: flowers in my hair, and here I am behind the door,
- 23:03Speaker 3: and that face of the mugshot is probably what those
- 23:06Speaker 3: kids saw over their beds.
- 23:08Speaker 2: I'm looking at the photo you're talking about.
- 23:11Speaker 1: It was a bio posted on Amazon dot com that
- 23:15Speaker 1: Walthall had a degree in elementary ed and spent eight
- 23:18Speaker 1: years teaching the fourth grade. And she's pictured in a pale,
- 23:21Speaker 1: pinkish purple outfit, kind of lavender, and all around her
- 23:26Speaker 1: are azalea's purple bright fusia looking azaleas, and she's wearing
- 23:32Speaker 1: one in her hair, and she looks like the penultimate
- 23:35Speaker 1: earth Mother. And you think she'd be a great mom.
- 23:38Speaker 1: As a child's author, do you remember other cases to
- 23:47Speaker 1: Daphne Young with child help dot Org where the children
- 23:53Speaker 1: suffered prolonged abuse that resulted in pneumonia in both lungs,
- 24:00Speaker 1: were basically waterboarded in their beds at night with cold
- 24:03Speaker 1: water to the point they had kidney and liver failure.
- 24:07Speaker 3: I don't remember a case with those specifics, but I
- 24:11Speaker 3: do remember a lot of cases where you had a
- 24:13Speaker 3: parent that showed one face to the world, an educator,
- 24:17Speaker 3: somebody that looked like a kind person teaching CPR in
- 24:20Speaker 3: the community, and we got a little boy exactly as
- 24:23Speaker 3: your medical examiner described that, or your doctor described that,
- 24:26Speaker 3: was so malnourished, his hair was falling out, his belly
- 24:30Speaker 3: was distended, and he was close to death, and all
- 24:33Speaker 3: those organs were shutting down. So we have seen that
- 24:35Speaker 3: write in our Child Health Children's Center, and if we
- 24:38Speaker 3: didn't have a doctor who had been doing this for
- 24:40Speaker 3: twenty three years, immediately.
- 24:42Speaker 4: Take that child to the hospital. He would have died
- 24:44Speaker 4: within forty eight hours. That's how close this little girl
- 24:48Speaker 4: was likely to death.
- 24:49Speaker 1: Oh, I should take a listen to our cut eight.
- 24:50Speaker 1: This is Jeff Love to look at WFT.
- 24:55Speaker 11: I'm told that the abuse described in the arrest report
- 24:58Speaker 11: just scratches the surface of what happened to the children
- 25:01Speaker 11: inside that Home's not known how long the alleged abuse
- 25:04Speaker 11: was going on.
- 25:06Speaker 10: Are you aware of the charges against you?
- 25:09Speaker 11: Yes, And those charges Joseph Wolfthol faces are aggravated child abuse,
- 25:14Speaker 11: child neglect with great bodily harm, and false imprisonment of
- 25:17Speaker 11: his three adoptive children. His wife, Jennifer, the author of
- 25:21Speaker 11: children's books, is also accused of abuse. Two of the
- 25:25Speaker 11: children told investigators that they were punished every night because
- 25:28Speaker 11: they couldn't stop sinning. They would spank the children utilizing
- 25:32Speaker 11: a specific item called a whacker, drawing blood by hitting
- 25:36Speaker 11: the same spot each time. The food was a mixture
- 25:39Speaker 11: of brand flake, cereal, water, and vegetable puree. One of
- 25:43Speaker 11: the children told investigators there were days she was fed
- 25:46Speaker 11: twice and sometimes she didn't eat her first meal until
- 25:50Speaker 11: three o'clock in the afternoon. She also described being locked
- 25:53Speaker 11: in a room for weeks and months. She spent the
- 25:56Speaker 11: entire day writing sentences at the desk in her room.
- 26:00Speaker 1: Just be so much to hear it. So I guess
- 26:03Speaker 1: alexis Terestak crime online dot com. She or her siblings
- 26:08Speaker 1: were the ones writing I have to stay flat on
- 26:11Speaker 1: my bed. I can't speak without permission. Do you remember
- 26:14Speaker 1: all those pages and pages of handwriting and also the
- 26:17Speaker 1: same thing, yes.
- 26:18Speaker 4: And this was their form of punishment. The mom would
- 26:21Speaker 4: the parents would make them write out with thousands of
- 26:24Speaker 4: sentences the same one over and over again as part
- 26:26Speaker 4: of their punishment. On top of their punishments that were
- 26:30Speaker 4: they were forced this is the strangest thing. They were
- 26:33Speaker 4: forced to do squats and this is you know, where
- 26:36Speaker 4: you're standing and you just bend your legs, bender kneas
- 26:38Speaker 4: down and you don't hit the ground, You don't sit
- 26:41Speaker 4: on a chair anything. You up and down over and
- 26:43Speaker 4: over and over again. This is the torture that these
- 26:47Speaker 4: children were subjected to. Forced to do squats is exercise.
- 26:50Speaker 10: You know.
- 26:50Speaker 1: I'm looking at additional evidence. Apparently, according to all three
- 26:55Speaker 1: children who were questioned separately, they had not taken baths
- 27:00Speaker 1: in months, and they will be denied bandages for the
- 27:04Speaker 1: open wounds caused by the quote whacker a device I
- 27:09Speaker 1: guess the parents made up to spank the children, drawing
- 27:13Speaker 1: blood by hitting the same spot every time. Doctor Michelle Dupree,
- 27:20Speaker 1: do you think that is how the child got sepsis?
- 27:23Speaker 6: Absolutely, Nancy, It certainly could be. Not taking a bath
- 27:27Speaker 6: for months is going to allow bacteria to build up
- 27:29Speaker 6: on your skin. It's going to enter the body through
- 27:32Speaker 6: the nose, the mouth, the eyes. Absolutely, that could cause
- 27:36Speaker 6: the beginning of sepsode.
- 27:37Speaker 1: Trying to understand what this quote whacker would be to
- 27:41Speaker 1: Daphney Young with child help dot Org. It was specifically
- 27:47Speaker 1: designed to hit the child at the same spot to ultimately.
- 27:51Speaker 3: Draw blood over and over again, and then they be
- 27:54Speaker 3: doused with the water and then these giant fans, which
- 27:57Speaker 3: probably made them freeze as they lay on plastic covers
- 28:01Speaker 3: with no blankets, a plastic cover over the mattresses. And
- 28:05Speaker 3: I remember the little girl saying that she counted days
- 28:10Speaker 3: and weeks, just trying to get her head straight as
- 28:13Speaker 3: to what day of the week it was, what month
- 28:15Speaker 3: it was. This is like a prisoner would do on
- 28:18Speaker 3: the side of a prison wall, trying to remember where am.
- 28:21Speaker 4: I, what day of the week it is. So you know,
- 28:23Speaker 4: she was trapped.
- 28:24Speaker 3: In that room in pain, but also just trying to
- 28:28Speaker 3: maintain some sanity.
- 28:30Speaker 1: A whacker device, you know. Randy Kessler, Atlanta trial lawyer,
- 28:36Speaker 1: that device shows clear intent not to discipline, but to
- 28:40Speaker 1: torture the children.
- 28:43Speaker 5: I intent, it's not really very hard to prove and
- 28:46Speaker 5: reckless disregard about of mind. These people can't go before
- 28:50Speaker 5: a jury, right can you imagine any jury giving them anything?
- 28:53Speaker 5: But the horses comes in. The charge with horse is
- 28:58Speaker 5: kind of charge with the intent. You know, you're right,
- 29:01Speaker 5: And especially they can't claim they can't claim they didn't know,
- 29:05Speaker 5: they didn't understand that there was just a mistake. I mean,
- 29:08Speaker 5: considering the combination of what they did and who they are.
- 29:11Speaker 5: You know, the fact that they have she has a
- 29:13Speaker 5: degree in education, she teaches, she writes children's books. Oh
- 29:17Speaker 5: my god, there is obvious contemps all.
- 29:19Speaker 6: Over the place.
- 29:20Speaker 5: It's I'm almost prised it not an insanity defense coming.
- 29:24Speaker 5: But there's no way, there's no way.
- 29:26Speaker 1: I don't think that they can both be declared in
- 29:28Speaker 1: saying that's just a little bit too much of a
- 29:30Speaker 1: coincidence and a very interesting thing. The husband in this case,
- 29:34Speaker 1: Joseph Walthall, is an engineer. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
- 29:49Speaker 1: Now catch this. Jennifer Wolfthal's publisher, Clavis Publishing, released a statement,
- 29:57Speaker 1: quote at Clavis, we believe children are beautiful and deserve
- 30:01Speaker 1: our utmost respect and care. Then they stated they would
- 30:05Speaker 1: cease further commercialization of the book. To write a children's
- 30:10Speaker 1: book while you're torturing your own children. What more do
- 30:16Speaker 1: we know? Kidney failure, liver failure, double pneumonia, and sepsis,
- 30:22Speaker 1: open wounds, all three, malnutrition, waterboarding in the home. They
- 30:28Speaker 1: all three separately tell the same story, and it reminds
- 30:31Speaker 1: me very much of a case that we just covered.
- 30:36Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven This is Tiger
- 30:40Speaker 1: Huck at WYFF News.
- 30:42Speaker 12: For Ariel Robinson sat down with WYFF News four in
- 30:46Speaker 12: August after winning the Food Network show Worst Cooks in America.
- 30:50Speaker 12: She told us then the winnings from the show would
- 30:52Speaker 12: go a long way to help her and her husband,
- 30:54Speaker 12: who recently adopted three more children.
- 31:00Speaker 13: Know that the Lord had his hands on me and
- 31:02Speaker 13: he had a purpose for me to go on there.
- 31:03Speaker 12: The former middle school teacher was an aspiring comedian booked
- 31:06Speaker 12: by Justin Williams to perform at a Pickens County barbecue
- 31:09Speaker 12: event back in November.
- 31:10Speaker 14: She was hilarious, She was super sweet to everybody around her,
- 31:13Speaker 14: and she expressed the passion for working with children and
- 31:18Speaker 14: working with just the community in general.
- 31:21Speaker 1: The reality star Ariel Robinson won Worst cook in America,
- 31:26Speaker 1: got twenty five thousand dollars and bragged about her blended
- 31:30Speaker 1: family and using the money to help raise her adopted children. Well,
- 31:35Speaker 1: Tory Rose is dead. The three year old little girl
- 31:38Speaker 1: was found covered in bruises and they actually tried to
- 31:42Speaker 1: tell nine one one it's because she drank too much
- 31:44Speaker 1: water and the bruises were from CPR. She's charged with
- 31:50Speaker 1: murdered by child abuse and there she is a reality
- 31:55Speaker 1: star on TV. Of course, the husband said he could
- 31:58Speaker 1: hear the beatings and he finally told his wife, you've
- 32:01Speaker 1: gone too far. Well, the child is dead and according
- 32:06Speaker 1: to Facebook photos of the little girl that they posted,
- 32:09Speaker 1: she had been covered with bruses many times before. She's
- 32:12Speaker 1: not the only one where what you see is not
- 32:15Speaker 1: what you're getting. Take a listen to our cup fourteen
- 32:18Speaker 1: Jessica Stone ACGTN needs you shall say.
- 32:21Speaker 15: When they entered the Turpin home, they found a modern
- 32:24Speaker 15: day horror foul smell, extremely dirty conditions, and they say
- 32:28Speaker 15: it was immediately clear that the siblings were malnourished. Authorities
- 32:32Speaker 15: say they found three of the children shackled to their
- 32:35Speaker 15: beds with chains and padlocks, kept in dark and unclean
- 32:39Speaker 15: conditions inside this Riverside County, California home. Deputies located twelve
- 32:44Speaker 15: children inside the house as young as two years old.
- 32:47Speaker 15: While the family kept this active Facebook page which appears
- 32:50Speaker 15: to show a happy group trips, vacations, smiling faces. Authorities
- 32:55Speaker 15: discovered that seven of the children pictured appeared so malnourished
- 32:59Speaker 15: that they did look like children, they were actually adult.
- 33:02Speaker 1: The oldest is twenty nine years old. Those children chained
- 33:06Speaker 1: to their beds. But if you look at their Facebook,
- 33:09Speaker 1: they're all dressed in matching red Disney shirts.
- 33:12Speaker 2: The you know thing number one, thing number two.
- 33:17Speaker 1: They had all matching outfits on various trips. They were
- 33:22Speaker 1: all there at a revival of the vow ceremony with
- 33:26Speaker 1: the parents. I mean, it goes on and on. Who
- 33:29Speaker 1: would have ever thought these children were being so horribly treated.
- 33:35Speaker 1: One finally escape called out a window and called nine
- 33:39Speaker 1: one one to save her sister's horrible, horrible conditions.
- 33:45Speaker 2: Inside one of.
- 33:46Speaker 1: The closets in the Turpin home, there were scratches on
- 33:49Speaker 1: the wall where the children had tried to get out.
- 33:52Speaker 1: Straight back to Daphne Young with child help dot Org,
- 33:57Speaker 1: one of our favorite organizations. I know, you remember the
- 34:01Speaker 1: Turpen case in the House of Horrors.
- 34:04Speaker 3: Absolutely, and a lot of the kids that you know,
- 34:07Speaker 3: while we have to protect the anonymity of all of
- 34:09Speaker 3: our children, a lot of the kids that we see
- 34:11Speaker 3: in these headlines come through child health And it's horrible
- 34:16Speaker 3: enough to deal with the child abuse that comes from
- 34:19Speaker 3: drug addicts, the child abuse that comes from mental health cases,
- 34:22Speaker 3: the child abuse that comes from people that are you know,
- 34:25Speaker 3: completely sort of out of it in terms of finances
- 34:28Speaker 3: and otherwise. But the scariest ones, the ones that I'm
- 34:31Speaker 3: still trying to figure out, how do we detect these
- 34:34Speaker 3: folks are those that have this great facade, those that
- 34:38Speaker 3: have good educations, those that have resources, they live among us.
- 34:44Speaker 3: These are people that aren't our neighbors and people that
- 34:46Speaker 3: we interact with potentially and don't recognize, and those are
- 34:51Speaker 3: the scariest abusers, and they create houses of horrors. And
- 34:56Speaker 3: the children. It takes the years for these kids to
- 35:00Speaker 3: recover and be put on a path of hope and.
- 35:02Speaker 1: Healing abezures you would never expect. Take a listen to
- 35:07Speaker 1: our friends over at the New York Times.
- 35:10Speaker 13: Hundreds of women say Larry Nasarus sexually abused them. It's
- 35:13Speaker 13: one of the worst sexual abuse scandals in the history
- 35:16Speaker 13: of sports, and it went on for more than two decades.
- 35:20Speaker 13: Nasar's patients felt honored to be treated by the best
- 35:22Speaker 13: of the best. Nasa typically carried out his abuse under
- 35:26Speaker 13: the guise of a medical treatment. He hijacked a rare
- 35:29Speaker 13: pelvic therapy that involves vaginal penetration and used it to
- 35:33Speaker 13: treat all.
- 35:33Speaker 1: Sorts of ailments.
- 35:35Speaker 13: He ignored protocols such as using a glove, asking consent,
- 35:38Speaker 13: or having a medical chaperone present.
- 35:42Speaker 16: And when I was fourteen years old, I saw my
- 35:44Speaker 16: hamstring in my right leg.
- 35:45Speaker 17: This was when he started performing the procedure that we
- 35:48Speaker 17: are all now familiar with.
- 35:49Speaker 16: The next visit was from my shoulder, which I then
- 35:52Speaker 16: phoned out my hips thread alignment, which then made my
- 35:56Speaker 16: spine and my pelvic phone out of alignment as well.
- 36:00Speaker 16: And this is when Larry decided that it was medically
- 36:03Speaker 16: acceptable to violate a sixteen year old girl.
- 36:06Speaker 1: So from a well respected couple in the community that
- 36:12Speaker 1: had a house of horrors going on homeskilling their children
- 36:17Speaker 1: in order to abuse them, to now a well known
- 36:23Speaker 1: book author to an Olympic coach abusing dozens of young
- 36:28Speaker 1: girls with me daft young With the Child help dot
- 36:33Speaker 1: Org organization, Daphne, you have actually worked with some of
- 36:38Speaker 1: Nasaur's victims.
- 36:40Speaker 3: Absolutely. Olympic consultants Foundation for Global Sports connected us with
- 36:44Speaker 3: some of these brave what they call themselves, sister survivors.
- 36:48Speaker 3: And when we.
- 36:49Speaker 4: Talked a little bit earlier with law enforcement and others
- 36:51Speaker 4: about being jaded, this is the piece of child help
- 36:55Speaker 4: that's kept me here, which is these women are working
- 36:58Speaker 4: with us in Child Help Speak, a be Safe for
- 37:01Speaker 4: Athletes and a Courage First hotline that is both a
- 37:04Speaker 4: prevention education for youth sports, which we've reached well over
- 37:08Speaker 4: one hundred and sixty thousand children and families, and a
- 37:11Speaker 4: hotline for youth athletes. So these gals.
- 37:14Speaker 3: Are using very difficult experiences to create safety nets for
- 37:20Speaker 3: kids and youth sports. And so that's the kind of
- 37:22Speaker 3: stuff that allows us to keep doing this work. Because
- 37:26Speaker 3: for every awful family like the ones we're discussing today,
- 37:30Speaker 3: and for every creep like Nasar who hurts these kids,
- 37:33Speaker 3: they are amazing women and survivors and young boys that
- 37:37Speaker 3: come out of these circumstances and change lives and use
- 37:40Speaker 3: their voice for good.
- 37:41Speaker 1: You know, Lexus tresstot crime Online dot comments to get
- 37:44Speaker 1: a reporter. We know a little bit about what these parents,
- 37:48Speaker 1: the Wolfthall said at the hospital. They didn't just blame
- 37:52Speaker 1: it on slip and falls all the injuries. What else
- 37:54Speaker 1: did they say?
- 37:55Speaker 4: So when Joseph Woopall took his daughter to the hospital,
- 37:57Speaker 4: he told the doctors that were there the child had
- 38:01Speaker 4: such huge, obvious wounds. He said that she was hurt
- 38:04Speaker 4: because she brushed her teeth too hard.
- 38:06Speaker 1: Did you just say the excuse was she brushed her
- 38:09Speaker 1: teeth too hard?
- 38:10Speaker 4: Yep, she brushed her teeth too hard. That's the excuse
- 38:12Speaker 4: that he tried to use. And he's also blaming his wife.
- 38:16Speaker 2: It was also the whacker.
- 38:18Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, a forensic pathologist from her Medical Examiner,
- 38:23Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation fueld Goide and Investigating Child Abuse
- 38:28Speaker 1: field guide. How do you perceive the so called whacker?
- 38:32Speaker 1: And can you imagine the sense of dread these children
- 38:34Speaker 1: felt when they saw the whacker pulled out bency.
- 38:37Speaker 6: I've had a couple of cases like this, and I've
- 38:39Speaker 6: seen things such as the end of a broom handle
- 38:42Speaker 6: or the broom handle itself, which can cause significant injury,
- 38:46Speaker 6: being used over and over and over again to cause this.
- 38:49Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, I prosecuted a lot of child abuse child
- 38:53Speaker 1: molestation cases, as have you in your investigations. What do
- 38:58Speaker 1: you make of child witnesses?
- 39:01Speaker 10: They are the best witnesses to law enforcement. They're the
- 39:05Speaker 10: best witnesses to prosecutors. They're so innocent. They tell you
- 39:09Speaker 10: things that they shouldn't know at their age. They're very specific,
- 39:13Speaker 10: they're not old enough to learn how to manipulate law enforcement,
- 39:18Speaker 10: to manipulate a prosecutor. I have found in interviewing so
- 39:22Speaker 10: many child victims that you get goosebums and chills when
- 39:27Speaker 10: you sit there and listen to the details in the
- 39:29Speaker 10: horror that this kid went through, Like, how do you
- 39:32Speaker 10: know this at eleven years old? How do you know
- 39:34Speaker 10: that at eight years old? The best witnesses ever?
- 39:37Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about a child's book author Houserbooks
- 39:43Speaker 1: on Amazon dot com. Very well established, a husband, very
- 39:48Speaker 1: educated and engineer. So how do you take a child
- 39:51Speaker 1: witness like Robert Christmas talking about and stack them.
- 39:55Speaker 2: Up against a defendant?
- 39:58Speaker 1: What about an that nobody would suspect? Take a Listen
- 40:03Speaker 1: to Tiffany Taylor at Hollywood Reporter.
- 40:07Speaker 17: Christina's Tell All memoir that inspired the film of the
- 40:09Speaker 17: same name, painted Joan Crawford this abusive and an alcoholic.
- 40:13Speaker 17: While her adopted brother Christopher always supported her claims, their twin.
- 40:17Speaker 18: Siblings Kathy and Sydney did not.
- 40:19Speaker 17: According to the book, Joan often went on what Christina
- 40:22Speaker 17: called night raids, where she would wake.
- 40:24Speaker 18: Her up and make her clean messes she hadn't.
- 40:26Speaker 17: Made for hours on end. Christina also said Joan hated
- 40:30Speaker 17: wire hangers. She reportedly once woke her up in the
- 40:33Speaker 17: middle of the night for using them. In a scene
- 40:35Speaker 17: that's infamously depicted in the nineteen eighty one movie, she
- 40:38Speaker 17: is said to have dragged her daughter by the hair,
- 40:40Speaker 17: yelling Noah wire hangers while beating her. Christina also claims
- 40:44Speaker 17: she was once starved for days when she refused to
- 40:47Speaker 17: eat an undercooked, bloody steak, all in a bid for
- 40:49Speaker 17: her mother to further control her. According to the memoir,
- 40:53Speaker 17: Joan allegedly kept Christopher constricted in bed in a sleep
- 40:56Speaker 17: safe device.
- 40:57Speaker 18: And tied Christina up in the shower at night.
- 41:00Speaker 17: Christina was thirteen years old, she supposedly suffered one final
- 41:03Speaker 17: brutal beating from her mother and when she thought she
- 41:05Speaker 17: was going to be choked out.
- 41:07Speaker 1: You know what is that, Daphne Young Where the children
- 41:10Speaker 1: are restricted, tied up. We hear it over and over again,
- 41:13Speaker 1: like in this case, where they're forced to lay flat
- 41:16Speaker 1: on the bed interpend they were chained to the bed
- 41:19Speaker 1: or put into a closet and locked in the.
- 41:23Speaker 2: Constriction of the child. I find that to be a
- 41:26Speaker 2: common thing.
- 41:28Speaker 3: It's a complete lack of control in the parent. It
- 41:31Speaker 3: starts off sometimes small, a little discipline. I'm going to
- 41:35Speaker 3: put you in your room, you need to stay away
- 41:37Speaker 3: from this or that, and becomes a torture chamber. Essentially,
- 41:42Speaker 3: it's like the torturing of prisoners. And so much of
- 41:46Speaker 3: this repetition and cruelty then becomes status quo. So every
- 41:52Speaker 3: little breach of a boundary can open up a new boundary.
- 41:56Speaker 3: That's why I say, you know, I don't even like
- 41:59Speaker 3: people spanking children, because every breach of being.
- 42:02Speaker 19: A little out of control can make you much much
- 42:05Speaker 19: further out of control. And then, you know, not everybody
- 42:09Speaker 19: obviously is going to end up like this, but we see,
- 42:13Speaker 19: you know, kids will tell us how it started, and
- 42:15Speaker 19: it seems so small, and then it turns into something
- 42:18Speaker 19: that is a true nightmare.
- 42:19Speaker 1: Jennifer and Joseph Wolffall wrought in hell with a brief
- 42:26Speaker 1: pitstop in the penitentiary. Goodbye friends,