Latest / For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast / #312 - For Azeroth!: “Notable Occurrences”
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- 0:01Hey guys, unfortunately there's been some technical difficulties
- 0:04with this episode. Cleaned up the audio as best I
- 0:07could, but did eat up some of the time.
- 0:09So it's a shorter episode and of course a little bit of audio
- 0:14issues. Bear with us, we'll be back
- 0:16again next week. Victory for the Forsaken.
- 0:19For Lauderon for the Karen tour. For.
- 0:24Pandaria for calendar. To the burning region.
- 0:31For Gilnaeus or has not died, for the Lich King, for the
- 0:38Sindori, for the Alliance, for the Horde, for Azeroth.
- 0:47Hello and welcome back to another episode of For Azeroth.
- 0:52I am one of your hosts, the true villain Manny, and back again
- 0:57are the other parts of the Triumphant.
- 0:59I know they've been away for a little bit, but they are back,
- 1:02starting with Lex. Lex, how are you?
- 1:05How's the World of Warcraft been treating you?
- 1:06It's. Been treating me well.
- 1:08I still can't really sit at my computer because my Velcro dog
- 1:11will lose her entire mind if I'm not snuggling with her.
- 1:14But I did forget that I had pre-ordered the book Voices of
- 1:18Azeroth until this week when I got a weird package and I was
- 1:23like, what is this? Is this a cool present?
- 1:26And it was a cool present from Blizzard.
- 1:28So I have been reading Voices of Azeroth and I like it a whole
- 1:31lot. What is Voices of Azeroth remind
- 1:34me? I'm blanking.
- 1:35That's the short story collection from like so usually
- 1:39they'll do a novel in the beginning of like midway through
- 1:42ish the X pack. And for this for, How did I lose
- 1:47the name of this expansion? For the war within for.
- 1:51The war within. Recently muted on Twitter.
- 1:54Yes, exactly. We they did a short story
- 1:59collection instead, and we've gotten a couple of those already
- 2:02posted online. So we talked about them, the
- 2:03hilarious short story and the Andrew Wynn short story and
- 2:06maybe others. Those are the only two that I
- 2:08remember being posted, but they might have had others had
- 2:11already been posted. But they were also part of this
- 2:13short story collection called The Voices Within Got.
- 2:16It OK, I'd love to know as you read through that, if it gives
- 2:21you some more context to to everything we'll we might swing
- 2:26it back around to that as we get to one of our stories for today.
- 2:29But before we dive to into it, sorry, before we dive too deeply
- 2:35into it, let us of course, introduce the final member of
- 2:38the triumphant Mr. Sensational, Sean.
- 2:41Hello, Sean. How are you doing?
- 2:43I'm good Manny, I'm good. I did not get any weird packages
- 2:45today or this week on like Lex other than my usual weird
- 2:50package that is here all the time, but I've also been having
- 2:53a great time since we were here last.
- 2:57I'm unsure how to respond to that.
- 2:59I'm glad that you're safe Lex. Let's start with that and we
- 3:07will do our best not to dox you as apparently you don't know how
- 3:12to handle weird packages. That said, World of Warcraft is
- 3:19in the middle of 11 point O .7. I would actually say the tail
- 3:24end of things. Now we have stuff on the PTR and
- 3:29we got a bit of news to talk about, so let's get right into
- 3:32it. First thing is that we are in
- 3:34the middle of Plunderstorm and I know some people would be diving
- 3:40into it deep. I know some people like me have
- 3:43been like, I'm gonna get around to it.
- 3:45I swear I'll get around to it. I just need the time or like the
- 3:50right time because I I've heard some people who are loving it.
- 3:55I've heard some people who are saying, Oh my goodness, all the
- 3:59try hards are like 10 times worse because they've got the
- 4:01they've got the knowledge from before and it's just like
- 4:04slaughter fest. Lex, have you made an attempt?
- 4:10Are you like me? Are you waiting on the
- 4:11sidelines? Being like I, I, I swear I'm
- 4:13going to jump in. I at our last episode, I was
- 4:17like, and I'm totally going to do plunderstorm this week.
- 4:20And I spent this entire week being like, and I'm totally
- 4:24going to do plunderstorm too, including this morning.
- 4:26I was like, and you know, this week I'll do plunderstorm for
- 4:28the episode. I don't know when I thought I
- 4:30was going to. So no, I have not.
- 4:33And it's not out of lack of desire.
- 4:35It is out of the fact that I wake up at 6:30 in the morning
- 4:38and then it's puppy, puppy, puppy puppy puppy and then I go
- 4:41to bed at 10. But I really want to.
- 4:44I'm so sorry. This is just becoming world of
- 4:46puppy. Everything for me is just puppy.
- 4:49You can't have a conversation with me without me turning it
- 4:51into a puppy conversation. It's I'm going to be less boring
- 4:54one day, I swear to God. OK, well, we'll we'll hope for
- 4:58that day. No, no, I I like I don't have a
- 5:03puppy excuse. I haven't jumped into plunder
- 5:05storm. I've been doing a number of
- 5:07other things that came with 11 point O .7, like the meta
- 5:11achievement stuff. Some of it's on wear timers, but
- 5:15I have been watching streamers play Plunderstorm and getting
- 5:20some info from then, including, of course, Sean who's been
- 5:23streaming recently. So Sean, you're going to have to
- 5:25give us the low down because you are the only informed opinion on
- 5:29this podcast right now. Yeah, Plunderstorm I'm, I don't
- 5:32know how great of a like, I definitely do not represent the
- 5:35vast majority of the player base in Plunderstorm.
- 5:37I play it my way and I enjoy it my way.
- 5:42I really enjoyed it on NA. I felt like the game mode was
- 5:47everybody felt like they were like more comfortable.
- 5:49I didn't get the sense of people are more aggressively chasing
- 5:52you down. Playing on NA and I definitely
- 5:54didn't feel like people were better because they had all the
- 5:56strats figured out. I finished getting all of the
- 6:00loot over there, all the rewards.
- 6:02I probably won't log back in on North America.
- 6:04I just missed trios going live this week which is unfortunate
- 6:09but I am still tracking down some of the rewards on EU and I
- 6:12have had a different experience on the EU servers where over
- 6:16there it does feel like people are more Terminator coded than
- 6:21they were in North America. And it's like I'm going to run
- 6:25you down and fight you no matter what level we are, be it one or
- 6:28ten, because I must conquer. German efficiency.
- 6:33Yeah, yeah. So outside of the British
- 6:38expansionism I've been facing on the EU servers, I've been really
- 6:42enjoying it. I, I don't know, I'm, it's I, to
- 6:45be honest, it's I, so I was hard in for like 2 days all over the
- 6:49moon for it. And now it's sort of losing its
- 6:51luster. And where I already have the
- 6:53rewards on NA and EU is like sort of my secondary account.
- 6:57So I'm not super like concerned. I am fully expecting at some
- 7:00point within the next two expansions we're going to get
- 7:04cross region and then I'll be able to merge my accounts
- 7:06anyway. But I'm like, I don't really
- 7:09need to find this out twice for now so I may dip back in here
- 7:14and there over the course of the next.
- 7:17What is it just shy of a month? I think it ends on February
- 7:2018th. But the good thing is we know
- 7:22now the model is hey, here's the rewards for plunder storm.
- 7:26But if I don't get them all, when it comes back around, I
- 7:29theoretically should be able to buy the ones I was missing
- 7:32because you're able to this time.
- 7:33And I really like that, that mentality of, hey, I don't have
- 7:36to do all of this now. Speaking of dogs that have one
- 7:38in my lap, I don't have to do all of this now because it'll
- 7:43come back at some point. I'll be able to do it then.
- 7:45And that's sort of relieves some of the pressure.
- 7:46But it's been a lot of fun. And they are doing patching to
- 7:49it. There's one new beam or one new
- 7:50power called the celestial barrage, like a giant beam of
- 7:52light that I'm pretty sure has like a 700 yard range.
- 7:55And they've made some nerves to that.
- 7:57It's pretty intense. I know.
- 7:58I don't have anything. I love you, though.
- 8:00It's pretty, pretty intense. Yeah.
- 8:04But they're still working on it and people seem to be enjoying
- 8:06it. I think the key is people are
- 8:08able to get what they want faster than they were in the
- 8:10first plunder storm. And that's that's making a
- 8:13recipe for success. OK, so then I got to ask, with
- 8:18the Terminator code in and everything that you're seeing,
- 8:24is it now that you've got these rewards, do you feel that the
- 8:29rewards came too fast and you kind of ran out of what you were
- 8:34playing for? Do you feel that there wasn't
- 8:37enough variation? And what came before, Like
- 8:40obviously Celestial Barage being a new ability, they've tuned
- 8:44other abilities. Do you think they changed it up
- 8:45enough, or do you feel like part of the reason that you've
- 8:48dropped off so quickly is because it hasn't changed up
- 8:52enough? I think it was perfect.
- 8:55I didn't play the first Plunder Storm beyond getting all the
- 8:58rewards either. I think I did maybe maybe a
- 9:02dozen maps after getting all the rewards and and some of those
- 9:05are with Anjali I think. Now this is not an opinion you
- 9:11will hear from many content creators, but I think being able
- 9:15to get all the rewards in a six hour session, it was 1-6 hour
- 9:18section, maybe 6 1/2 hour session that I did for NA
- 9:21because I had the season 1 rewards.
- 9:23So I had already firmed all of Season 1 or PS1 as the kids are
- 9:25calling it, and now I'm into Plunderstorm 2 or PS2 as the
- 9:30kids are calling it and I have firmed all those and it took 6
- 9:331/2 hours. I think that's perfect because I
- 9:36literally just play Warcraft all day, right?
- 9:39So it's OK that for people like me whose only job is to play
- 9:44World of Warcraft and who do it, you know, 8 to 14 hours a day,
- 9:49it's OK if you're done in a day. Because what people like me need
- 9:53to realize is there are people who are not like us who only get
- 9:58a chance to play one to two hours a week.
- 10:01And if they want to be able to get all of Plunderstorm in while
- 10:04also doing the content they're doing your Siren Isles, your
- 10:07rating, your mythic, plus whatever their goals are working
- 10:10on the meta achievements, I think it's better and more
- 10:13reasonable to allow for those people to be able to get the
- 10:15rewards at a pace that matters to them.
- 10:20I think if you drag it out, if you make it longer, they
- 10:23definitely left the buffs, the plunder buffs in from the end of
- 10:26PS1, as the kids are calling it. And that's good because like, if
- 10:33you're listening to this show, you probably play a lot of
- 10:35Warcraft, maybe more than the average person.
- 10:37I would say if you're listening to a podcast about Warcraft, but
- 10:40if you get a lot of your news from people whose only thing
- 10:43they do all day long is play Warcraft, you're probably
- 10:45hearing a lot of oh, this was too fast, this was too fast,
- 10:47this was too fast. Those people aren't realizing
- 10:50that despite the fact that all of their friends also only play
- 10:53Warcraft or play at an exorbitant amount of time.
- 10:55There are lots and lots of people, millions probably, who
- 10:58don't play that way. And I think it's good for them.
- 11:03You know, it's good for for Joe Schmo.
- 11:08Is that a phrase we're allowed to use now?
- 11:10That's a nickname we used to. I remember my mom saying Joe
- 11:12Schmo when I was a kid is. That problematic I.
- 11:14Don't know. I don't.
- 11:16Joe Schmo, The average Joe. Like the average, the average
- 11:19Joe, that's what I'm trying to say.
- 11:21Yeah. Yeah.
- 11:21So I don't know if that were, I don't know.
- 11:22I just know a lot of times things that I don't know who.
- 11:26That was Joe, just in case. Just in case, yeah, we're going
- 11:29to play it safe. Just an average Joe comes in
- 11:31he's like, hey, I didn't get everything from PS1 as his kids
- 11:33are calling it. I didn't get everything from
- 11:35PS1. There's still some rewards I
- 11:36want to get and there's still there's rewards of PS2 I want to
- 11:39get. You know, it's nice that I get
- 11:41this this speed up where it feels like I can achieve some of
- 11:44those goals. So yeah, I think it's I'm, I'm,
- 11:45I'm happy with it, but I'm notoriously somebody who is pro
- 11:50speed gearing. So keep that in mind.
- 11:54I do just want to point out I just googled Joe Schmo
- 11:56problematic and nothing came up so I saw.
- 11:58Her, yes, I think all right, OK. It's just probably just phased
- 12:01out as kids stopped saying. That Yeah, yeah, cuz I haven't
- 12:04heard it since I was a kid. So I'm like, I wonder why we
- 12:06stopped hearing that. No, no.
- 12:08It's a good because. You grew up, Sean.
- 12:10Yeah, that's right. Yeah, OK, all.
- 12:12Right, OK, All right, that, that seems pretty understandable.
- 12:17I, I don't know what the listeners of fast could do to
- 12:22like force me to like finally jump in there.
- 12:26I think 1 streamer I was listening to was doing a really
- 12:31good job of once they died, they spectated and they actually
- 12:35casted what they were seeing to keep it going.
- 12:39That was actually that was Liffey.
- 12:40So Liffey, they just cast and I guess it was just practice for
- 12:45them, but that made it really cool to watch that Afterwards on
- 12:50your stream, a bunch of people were saying like, yeah, it's
- 12:52because of the times that you play.
- 12:54If you're playing during the day versus like on the weekend or in
- 12:57the evenings, you're going to get different mentalities and.
- 13:02I do feel, I say this as somebody who does not like who
- 13:07plays plunderstorm Pve. I do feel like we should say
- 13:11that the point of a battle Royale is to kill each other.
- 13:15Like I don't I don't think you can call them grief or like I
- 13:18don't think you can get mad at people for killing you.
- 13:20Like I get it. I also prefer plunderstorm when
- 13:23people let me go farm on the sides.
- 13:25But like they're not people are in try hards because they kill
- 13:28you in a battle Royale. They're just playing a battle
- 13:31Royale the way a battle Royale is meant to be played.
- 13:34Yeah, I equate myself to the birds that that live in
- 13:37alligators mouths and eat like the meat between their teeth.
- 13:40They don't have to go see alligator dentists.
- 13:42I'm one of those birds. I'm going to go and collect all
- 13:45the plunder for you. And I'll bring it to you at the
- 13:46end of the mat and you're going to beat me.
- 13:48I couldn't beat you if I wanted to.
- 13:49And I'm just going to stand here and let you kill me.
- 13:51But I've brought all this plunder to you.
- 13:52I've. I've brought it to you.
- 13:54I am your alligator tooth bird keeping you from alligator
- 13:57dentists. You're welcome.
- 13:59I say hi. Well I I am not.
- 14:01I play a lot of Fortnite recently, I've got friends into
- 14:07it. So I I am definitely about those
- 14:08battle royales. I am, I am one of those people
- 14:11who'll be like, OK, let's let's do this.
- 14:13Let me see if I can get that escape.
- 14:14Let me see if I can get that kill sort of thing.
- 14:16So this should be up my alley. It's just for some reason I just
- 14:23have not taken the plunge. But like, I think people need to
- 14:27understand that like not every part of World of Warcraft is
- 14:31going to be for them. And we had this conversation the
- 14:34last time Plunderstorm came around and all those
- 14:36conversations about FOMO and stuff.
- 14:39And like you were saying, it's going to come back around again.
- 14:43And it's seems that it's much faster this iteration.
- 14:46So if you're scared off last time, maybe dip a toe in it.
- 14:49I will try and wrangle Lex and Sean and maybe we'll do a FAZ
- 14:53trio. We'll have to figure it out, see
- 14:56when Sean's streaming when you're not wrapped up with a
- 14:59puppy. And yeah, we could, we could try
- 15:01and do that, but let's move on from that.
- 15:04John. You were just talking about all
- 15:06the other things that can take up your time if you're unlimited
- 15:09for time. One of the things that is coming
- 15:11to an end right now is of course the Siren Isles that it has had
- 15:15its swan song this week has been the last time Gate unlocked so
- 15:22that you can now fully upgrade your ring using those raw
- 15:27Citroen and you can get that ring up to 658, which I believe
- 15:33is the highest item level currently available in the game.
- 15:37Yes. And since they did that hot fix
- 15:40way back in week 1, all of the different powers are unlocked.
- 15:47It hasn't been without controversy because we had, I
- 15:51believe it was last week or two weeks ago, some teams are
- 15:54running into raids, 0 healers because the ring healing was so
- 15:58powerful that they just said, sorry priest, you're on the
- 16:01bench. Sorry, rest of shaman, you got
- 16:04an elemental spec and Blizzard had to come in and nerf that.
- 16:08But all of that hopefully is in the past.
- 16:12They've made the adjustments to that, to that.
- 16:16I haven't seen any new abuses. Are you guys aware of any new?
- 16:19Abuses so first of all, Manny, I just want to say great middle
- 16:22finger to a shadow priest love that love that so much No I.
- 16:30Not priests are not represented. Come on, all for you.
- 16:33Send in the hate letters. We love the shadow priest.
- 16:38You all are doing God's work well.
- 16:41No, no. No, no, shadow priest don't do
- 16:43God's work. You can do the other two
- 16:44priests. Yeah, even you aren't
- 16:46representing shadow priests. How can you How can you have
- 16:50good if you don't have evil to struggle against right you?
- 16:53Just go Demon Hunter. Well, yeah, then then then you
- 16:56struggle against your own, you know, angstiness, right, Your
- 16:59own desire to the. Demons within.
- 17:02The demons within. Exactly.
- 17:03Yeah. Like you're sitting there and
- 17:04you're like, I, I could sit here and listen politely to my raid
- 17:08leader or, or I could run the entire arena around this raid
- 17:13bus and I could see how close I can get before pulling him or
- 17:18getting kicked out of the raid group.
- 17:21But your point was? I I actually thought when I was
- 17:26seeing that everyone was going in no healers to raids, I
- 17:28thought they were just like flex and how cool they were.
- 17:30DPSI didn't realize that was the that was the ring.
- 17:34So first of all, just take off your rings and do it anyway.
- 17:36Babes be be actual try hards. Mess them up.
- 17:41Rather, just like I'd rather just get higher and M plus kill
- 17:44the bosses faster because we could just DPS to get to get the
- 17:48thing, you know, every advantage.
- 17:50Sorry, exploit early, exploit often, and this one is fair
- 17:55game. I'm not even going to say.
- 17:57Get rid of them no more, just buy healers.
- 18:00Switchers to DPS spec until you get to something that needs it.
- 18:03You don't know, just switch them on to DPS permanently.
- 18:06No more healers. I, I, I'm saying erase the
- 18:09entire class, the the, the all, all healer classes, They're
- 18:12gone. We're done with them.
- 18:14We can't do that anymore though. But like, do you think that this
- 18:16was really bad? I think it's OK.
- 18:19You're allowed to have fun in video games.
- 18:21I think you're allowed to do dumb, silly things if you're
- 18:23playing a video game, I think that's good.
- 18:25I think that's the point of a video game.
- 18:27That's my time. Good.
- 18:28Good. Yeah, I'm with Lex.
- 18:31You, you. They made the ring.
- 18:32They made the stuff in it like teams were going no healers for
- 18:36olive heroic, and let's be honest, you could almost do that
- 18:39anyway without the ring at this point in the expansion if the
- 18:42team was high enough geared. And then they were doing first
- 18:44form mythic without healers. And again, it's a game.
- 18:47It's supposed to be fun. It's a meme ring.
- 18:49The end. It's the end of the tier.
- 18:50You can pug those first four bosses.
- 18:52Let people have their fun with it.
- 18:53Nobody was going to be killing Queen Anne Serek with no healers
- 18:56with that ring. Nobody was going to be killing
- 18:58Silken Core with no healers. Nobody was going to be killing
- 19:01overnax. Like that wasn't going to be the
- 19:03difference, but Blizzard heard some vocal members of the
- 19:07community or maybe the internally Blizzard was like,
- 19:09we're not OK with this. They they nerfed it.
- 19:12I will. I will stand to say that
- 19:15Blizzards was right to nerf it. I am fine with people going and
- 19:18running their four out of eight mythic and stuff and see how far
- 19:21they could get get away with it as long as they could get away
- 19:24with it. And I don't think any level of
- 19:27punishment should be involved with this entire entire thing.
- 19:30It was, it was purely unexpected game mechanics that they used to
- 19:39the fullest. I don't even call it
- 19:40exploitation of game mechanics. It was just there they did the
- 19:44math and said, you know what, this is how we're going to do
- 19:46it. So.
- 19:48But I also think that, yeah, in terms of the overall health of
- 19:52the game, such a power should not exist for long.
- 19:58So it came in at the right time that it did not disrupt
- 20:00anything. If this had come in at the
- 20:02beginning of the tier, I would be like, get rid of it
- 20:04immediately. Oh yeah, right.
- 20:06So yeah, I think it just played out like a OK, it happened, we
- 20:09all had our fun and we move on. Yeah.
- 20:14Now for the island itself. I generally felt that this was a
- 20:24fun experience for maybe 3-4 weeks.
- 20:29I think as the you went through that rotation, you're like, oh
- 20:32cool, here's a new, new enemy and some of the stories and do
- 20:36the secrets. It was fun uncovering the story
- 20:40in this way. I'm not sure if it was because
- 20:43of the voice actor strike or if they were just like filtering it
- 20:48in anyways and it just came out this way and it was an
- 20:52interesting way, but I think it was kind of cool to sort of
- 20:56discover the story by look at finding letters in the cabin and
- 21:00reading stone tablets and stuff. My only problem is that it
- 21:03didn't go anywhere. I was expecting some sort of
- 21:06conclusion. Now we're at Week 6 and it's
- 21:09like everything you could have done, it was all in Week 1 and
- 21:14that was that was it. And it doesn't seem to go
- 21:16anywhere. Well, what about you guys?
- 21:19What are you thinking about story wise?
- 21:22Yeah, I I agree this uncovering the story in that first week was
- 21:28fun seeing it on the tablets, going through it.
- 21:31And then if you really enjoyed it the and you want to get deep
- 21:34dive more, you can. There's a really amazing video
- 21:37by Discordian Kitty on YouTube. I don't know if we're allowed to
- 21:39plug people on here but I'm plugging Discordian Kitty right
- 21:41now where she talks about. Most of my other show, the
- 21:45person that I helped, that I helped discuss this entire
- 21:48thing, it's it's indirectly benefiting me.
- 21:50Yeah. No, no, we're not going to allow
- 21:52that to happen. Keep going.
- 21:53But she does a really good breakdown of possibly did Cersei
- 21:56make a deal similar to a genre And there's a YouTube video you
- 21:59can get. I definitely recommend checking
- 22:01that out on her YouTube. It's fantastic.
- 22:04But yeah, so I enjoyed uncovering that story.
- 22:05But yeah, you're right. Like there was I think the ring
- 22:09should have been maxed after one cycle, so one of each because
- 22:13the second go around the first time through it was like, OK,
- 22:17they're telling the story. Each time is a different group
- 22:19attacking. There's a little bit, you know,
- 22:21a couple of different stay while and listens.
- 22:22We uncovering it and you don't want to just dump it all on us
- 22:25at once. I get that after that first time
- 22:28through the sick, the 2nd loop back through, that's when it was
- 22:31like OK, this is and it even felt like you had to do quests
- 22:37to unlock the ring power. The third one you had to
- 22:42complete the fill the bar request for the island to get
- 22:44it, much like Anduin felt like the end of septic or the 1st
- 22:47ones that fill the bar request and then you unlock the last,
- 22:51you know, the next power. That felt like, OK, I've build
- 22:54the bar for the last time. I've done all three of these
- 22:56phases. This feels like it should be the
- 22:59end. And then it wasn't.
- 23:01There was three more weeks of it and the the events you had to do
- 23:05for the weeks afterwards felt so dialed in.
- 23:07One of them was hit a turnip for three minutes until your power.
- 23:12Maxed out, that was just the most efficient way of doing it.
- 23:15Hit a turnip for three minutes until your power is maxed out.
- 23:19The next one was kill these three spies and the next one was
- 23:22ride my blimp until it's done and I'm pretty sure I haven't
- 23:27done it. I will test it tomorrow.
- 23:29I'm pretty sure because it's like push left, push right, push
- 23:32forward. I think it just finishes.
- 23:35I don't think you have to push anything.
- 23:37I think you just have to wait for it to cycle and end.
- 23:40I'm going to test it tomorrow. I'm going to try doing none of
- 23:43the commands. Please do so because like I did
- 23:46it and I obviously did the commands.
- 23:48Yeah. Even.
- 23:49If we do the commands, it still takes 2 1/2 minutes for the last
- 23:52three weeks felt sort of phoned in.
- 23:54It felt needless. I think 11 cycle of each of the
- 23:59things would have been great to have the ring power end on.
- 24:02And I really, really wish they. Blizzard, thank you so much.
- 24:05You gave us a you've really been really good at with catch up
- 24:07mechanics and skip mechanics like hey, I've done this.
- 24:10I don't want to do it again. For the most part in the war
- 24:13within and even a dragon flight to a lesser extent.
- 24:16But with specifically with sirens Isle, you get to the
- 24:19island and if you're a new, if you're an alt, you could say,
- 24:21hey, I've done this, get in my ring and my upgrade and they
- 24:24they give you your ring and they give you your first upgrade, but
- 24:26they don't give you your other upgrades.
- 24:28Now you can get them by either doing the quests or by killing
- 24:31mobs on the island and getting the upgrade to drop randomly.
- 24:36That ring when I get to the island on an alt and I talked to
- 24:41that earth and I say I've done this before give me a thing.
- 24:43If I do it today I get the ring and I get one upgrade and I'm
- 24:46still not maxed out. And the flight on the island is
- 24:49tied to the upgrades of the ring, not to the time completed
- 24:53in the island. So until your alts get their
- 24:56ring maxed out, which they have to do by running around the
- 24:59island killing mobs or do redoing the quests, hit your
- 25:02turnip for three minutes, fly your balloon, then they are
- 25:07stuck not being able to fly. So that the bonus when when you
- 25:11say skip me ahead, it should skip you to whatever level your
- 25:13main ring is at. You should get all of those
- 25:16upgrades. I think that's how I would feel
- 25:18good about it. I, I disagree specifically
- 25:24because I, I maybe I'm just not an old friendly guy.
- 25:28I I just feel that like getting to a certain point just by being
- 25:33like, I've done this before, OK, sure, here's a base level.
- 25:36This will get you, get you into it, right.
- 25:40And then I run around the island and kill the caves for a little
- 25:44bit to get them to draw because those are the best chance of
- 25:46them dropping. Seems like such a low level of
- 25:49commitment that that like, I don't think it's that necessary.
- 25:53And if it if that feels like too much of A commitment for you, I
- 25:58am not sure what you're doing with your alt because everything
- 26:00else that you would do with your alt would require at least that
- 26:04much time, if not more. And I don't think that the most
- 26:09the highest item level currently available in the game should be
- 26:14I press dialogue option. Thank you.
- 26:16That but I've already done it once right I've done it yes why
- 26:20do I have to do it again like my alts are already 636 so I'm
- 26:23going to get this ring because I need the ring to do mythic plus
- 26:27at a high level and if I don't get the ring then I'm not going
- 26:31to be able to do the content as high as I want to do the content
- 26:33I. Think Manny's point is that like
- 26:35to get like, it's not that when you made an alt, they were just
- 26:38like, oh, here's your 636 gear because you've already done it
- 26:41right? Like you're expected to grind
- 26:42your gear up through the vault. I, I think I think having flying
- 26:46not tied to the like that, that should be unlocking
- 26:50automatically. I do actually think I was going
- 26:52to be 100% on your side, Sean. But I think I do think I kind of
- 26:55agree with Manny that like, yeah, if you if, if it's an item
- 26:58level increase, by and large, that should be labour.
- 27:02There should be some labour. And the fact they're letting you
- 27:04skip the quests makes sense to me personally as someone who has
- 27:09definitely done the Siren island.
- 27:13I I do enjoy that if somebody has been away all this time, had
- 27:20not touched the Siren Isles the entire time, wherever they may
- 27:22be, wherever they may be, that they could just talk to talk to
- 27:29the guy in the main place. Be like go over to the Zeppelin,
- 27:31come in and be like, OK, I'm going to, I'm going to do this.
- 27:37I do like that somebody who's done all that before can be
- 27:41like, skip me, skip me part of the way through.
- 27:44I'll just either do these quests, which are incredibly
- 27:48quick quests to do. They do not take a lot of time,
- 27:51especially if you hit a turnip. Unless you fill your bar while
- 27:57doing while killing things to get the gem upgrades.
- 28:00If you fill your bar before you get the third gem upgrade, that
- 28:04quest won't pop because you need to have done the other two
- 28:07quests for that quest to pop to get that third gem upgrade.
- 28:10Sure, but you can also run it on the turnip if you really are
- 28:17trying wait, sorry. No, no, the third, the third
- 28:20one. For the third quest to appear,
- 28:22you have to do the fill the bar on the island and then the quest
- 28:25appears. So if I, if I don't get that, if
- 28:30I, if I filled my bar accidentally while farming out
- 28:33my first two things, then I don't even have the option to do
- 28:37those quests. I have to wait a week or a day.
- 28:39I don't know. I don't know how long the the
- 28:41bar thing resets. I never go back after the first
- 28:42day. Yeah.
- 28:44So what you would, what you would do is collect the three
- 28:46treasures on the first one. The dipping a toe is the three
- 28:49treasures doesn't require you to kill anything.
- 28:51You don't have to do that one that the dipping the toe is the
- 28:53one that skips. That's the one that skips.
- 28:55OK then the week 3 is juicing up and storming out.
- 29:01That's the going into the storm and using the using the booms.
- 29:09But you can't do that until you've done the base island.
- 29:12Fill the bar. Correct so that would
- 29:15immediately cut you off there and you would have to just farm
- 29:19rares, wouldn't you yeah so like it's not even a it's not even a
- 29:24this might happen This is if you were trying to do all the quests
- 29:27you are going to have to wait for a reset, which could be like
- 29:31I did this on Monday and Tuesday so reset or it could be I did
- 29:34this on Tuesday and I've got to wait an entire entire week but
- 29:38if this is you doing on an alt and you're.
- 29:42I'm just saying if you're going to be old friendly, be old
- 29:45friendly. Don't have it's like doing cross
- 29:47faction. If we're going to cross faction,
- 29:49let's do cross faction. Blizz don't make me have a full
- 29:51group. You cross faction.
- 29:53I, I, I understand the cross faction thing.
- 29:56I think that there's this question about alt friendly
- 30:01where there is reward my alt accordingly, reward my work
- 30:06accordingly and don't make me do something a second time.
- 30:10And I think those get equated far too often.
- 30:13And this is, I think that's where we're having this argument
- 30:15where it's like, Hey, like, you know what, I put this work in my
- 30:19alt and it got this ring and I got to speed along to it because
- 30:21the drop rate they can boost really quickly.
- 30:24They, they can make give me a ability to skip it.
- 30:28How much of it can can they skip?
- 30:31And me still feeling like I was rewarded this instead of just
- 30:34gifted it instead of just buying it from a vendor.
- 30:37Because at a certain point it becomes Blizzard.
- 30:39Why did I have to go out to the island?
- 30:42Couldn't you just put it in a vendor in Dornagall so I could
- 30:44save the loading screens? Cuz some of us got older
- 30:46computers and loading screens are crappy.
- 30:49It could be. It could.
- 30:50Be they let us buy the gems that go in it, how is that different?
- 30:54We don't have to reframe the gems, we can buy those, and we
- 30:57get those by killing the rares in the caves that we have to
- 31:00kill to get the upgrades. So are you trying to get me to
- 31:02argue that that's too far? Because I, I, I, I'm saying.
- 31:06I'm saying pick a lane, I want them if they're going to do one,
- 31:09do it all. Don't, don't give me this half.
- 31:11Ass no, no, no, that's that's that's a false dichotomy.
- 31:15Obviously they could do in between.
- 31:17Obviously some development in there.
- 31:19I think that increasing the item level of your ring is a gradual
- 31:25step reward, and therefore putting in some effort to get
- 31:29each gradual step makes each step worth something.
- 31:32Whereas I can't use this ring because like they set up week
- 31:36one, it's below item level without these particular powers,
- 31:39right? Makes it feel punished,
- 31:42punishing that I have that. I can't even use this ring until
- 31:45let's say 2 weeks, 3 weeks in because of the crush it goes
- 31:49through. And I can understand that in a
- 31:51catch up sense where it's like, OK, I want to jump in.
- 31:54I will get these these powers on the ring.
- 31:57I'll get it up to like a item level that is above what the
- 32:02what I hit at level 80. I can go to the island and get
- 32:05the base level gear that I think is equivalent to what you get
- 32:07out of LFR. It's 584 veteran gear.
- 32:12Yeah, I'm. Not sure what.
- 32:13LFR is though it's my. Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
- 32:15It's. Yeah, I think it's.
- 32:17Has anybody in here ever done LFR instead of the first week?
- 32:21Right. Yeah, so it's like OK, so now
- 32:23with that I can now run LFR and get like Bis items or just farm
- 32:33valor from killing bosses. I can start running into Dun
- 32:37dungeons there and get because I think heroic actually might be I
- 32:45I know time walking is is trash. Time walking is like time.
- 32:50Walking 567, yeah, yeah, I think heroic is 580 something if I
- 32:55remember correctly. Okay.
- 32:56Actually, heroic might have been 593.
- 32:59It doesn't matter it. Doesn't matter what your
- 33:01computers. Want my ring?
- 33:02Easy, that's all. Yeah, okay.
- 33:07I think the aisle jumps you to a really good point in terms of
- 33:10where we're at. And if we go into the next
- 33:13season and you just go, let me walk over to the aisle, get
- 33:16this, get this ring. Grinders for an hour till it's
- 33:19Max level. Purchase all the gear
- 33:21immediately and then I just have to put in an hour to get to get
- 33:26the gear up. I think that's not that big of
- 33:29an ask, but the flying I will say is so odd that it is bound
- 33:35behind the item level of the ring.
- 33:37Especially since once you get the ring fully upgraded, why the
- 33:42hell are you going back? Because it's 93,000 fire infused
- 33:48iron to buy all of the transmog on the island.
- 33:53I do have one of my friends who's working really hard on
- 33:55getting fire and Isle completed. Yeah, that's not even
- 33:59exaggeration. Marty did the math.
- 34:00It's 93,800 and some fire infused and you get like 1400 a
- 34:06day. That's why they're going back,
- 34:09because they're crazy. I am glad transvlog is not my
- 34:14thing. Thank you.
- 34:17That's I think if you do the quest you got a good bump.
- 34:20That's a bump your daily average. 1400 a day.
- 34:24I mean, but like the initial quest give you a bump on that
- 34:26don't. They I think that's the that's
- 34:28the 1400. You get that for the weekly like
- 34:32doing that in the weekly and then in the day you have to like
- 34:34farm rares. Wow, It's not for me.
- 34:40It's. It's not.
- 34:41It's not for me. Lex, is this for you?
- 34:43Oh certainly I I haven't ground any.
- 34:45I once tried to grind like 1 mount and I I ran a dungeon like
- 34:50a very old dungeon like 4 times and I was like you know what I
- 34:55can just ride a different mount. OK, Lex is Lex is not prey to
- 35:01the FOMO. All right, all right.
- 35:03Well, if you go. On Lex though, for real, you
- 35:06need to go get that ring and upgrade it because it's going to
- 35:08be your best ring for most of Heroic next next season.
- 35:11Yeah, I really do. OK, I'll.
- 35:13Do it, don't worry to God it'll be fun.
- 35:15I think it'll really be fun. I just have to remember what day
- 35:20of the week it is. Ever like and and once once I
- 35:25am, I am capable of approaching the world with the mindset that
- 35:28like, I'm a human who is engaging in human activities on
- 35:31human time, doing human things. I'll be flying high.
- 35:36OK, we we will. We will discuss more about that
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- 36:08With that said, let's talk about Season 2 of Mythic Plus of
- 36:14Keystone. This is being kind of a
- 36:17contention in the creator space. Season 1 has had definitely it's
- 36:24rough points. And John, you were talking about
- 36:27the participation in rating. Mythic Plus has been dealing
- 36:34with a lot of struggles and yeah, Blizzard sat down and
- 36:42like, agreed. Even has ghosts disagreed that
- 36:44yes, people are not finding the fun as much as they used to.
- 36:48Lex, I know you've you've stepped out of Mythic Plus.
- 36:52I took forever to get what would normally take me two weeks and
- 36:58then I it took me months. So it's been, it's been slow
- 37:04process for many people. Sean, you have been killing it.
- 37:08I believe I recently saw an announcement of you and your
- 37:12team Valerain hitting 3K score. Yeah, yeah, without any of the
- 37:18exploits that people are using to time eighteens, nineteens and
- 37:2020s. So that's pretty good.
- 37:22Really. Yeah, No, no Paladin at all of
- 37:25Paladin take. Well, we do have a Rep paladin,
- 37:27but by exploits I mean actual exploits like going into a
- 37:29follower dungeon and leaving before the debuffs drop off of
- 37:32you so that you can gain buffs you don't aren't supposed to
- 37:35have in the dungeon. Or using mistletoe from the
- 37:37Christmas event from the Wintervale event and using the
- 37:39buff from that to help you also be stronger in the dungeons.
- 37:43We're not doing any of those things that are running rampant
- 37:45right now and driving the score for title up through the roof.
- 37:50And that's not disheartening at all to people who are in title
- 37:53range. I'm not a Title Ranger.
- 37:54Bri K is nowhere near it, but I have a lot of friends who are
- 37:57and they're not discouraged at all by the fact that there is
- 37:59rampant exploitation happening in Mythic Plus this season.
- 38:02I got it. I got to think because all these
- 38:06logs would include would include the buffs that were on it
- 38:12because you can find that that out Mistletoe 1 is so easy to
- 38:16like act upon. Yeah, nothing's been done.
- 38:19The external buffs though. Well, if you don't have a.
- 38:23Druid. And you have Mark of the Wild.
- 38:25That's kind of a giveaway. No, no, but like.
- 38:28Oh, you don't have a mage and you have arcane intellect?
- 38:31That's kind of a giveaway. See, but like, here's my issue
- 38:34is that if Blizzard acts upon that, I could see griefers be
- 38:40like, I'm going to just take my priest and I'm going to like put
- 38:43a buff on you and you better watch for that, that power word
- 38:48or you're gonna get or that run is gonna get screwed.
- 38:51Like I would hate for that to happen.
- 38:53And that's a very weird thing 'cause technically you could
- 38:56have people outside of your team throw buffs on you.
- 39:02There's nothing stopping a random priest from walking by
- 39:04and be like, I'm going to throw Fortitude on these guys.
- 39:06And I, I've seen it back in the year old days of World of
- 39:10Warcraft, you'd come across some travel on the road and you'd be
- 39:12like, hey there weary traveller, I'm a shaman, I can't give you
- 39:15crap, but here's water walking, don't get hit and then return.
- 39:19They would give me an actual worthwhile buff and I would, I
- 39:22could take that into a dungeon. Taking that off.
- 39:26I think what they would need to do is when the key starts it
- 39:33would have to like intelligently whitelist only the buffs you
- 39:38should have. Sure, and they they delete
- 39:40health stones. If you don't have a warlock,
- 39:41it's easy. Well, I mean what like they I
- 39:44mean, I maybe I'm because I guess you could just have people
- 39:47like outside selling buffs, but like, why not just make it so
- 39:50follow like follower dungeon buffs disappear when you leave
- 39:53the. So they do for though the way
- 39:56it's supposed to work is you go into a follower dungeon, you get
- 39:59a buff on you, you leave the follower dungeon, the buff is
- 40:01removed. But if you go in and leave
- 40:03immediately, it doesn't trigger the removal.
- 40:06You have to like it's not an accident.
- 40:08You have to intentionally. I'm getting in and getting out
- 40:11to keep. The buff, OK, so it's not just a
- 40:14silly little funky, it's like people are very.
- 40:16Obviously trying it's, yeah, it's, it's intentional and and
- 40:19could not, could not possibly be done accidentally, Yeah.
- 40:23The chance that it was done accidentally would be incredibly
- 40:26small. I feel like you could also just
- 40:28track people based on that, like if you're joining and leaving
- 40:31follower dungeons. Yeah, rapidly.
- 40:35Because I mean, yeah, like, obviously we've all had.
- 40:37I think I was even watching one of your streams strongly
- 40:39accidentally. Well, you joined a real dungeon
- 40:41you're running meant to do a follow our dungeon.
- 40:42Don't worry, I'm sorry, I'm not trying to drag you publicly.
- 40:44Well. Like flex trying to get me
- 40:46banned here. Exactly.
- 40:47Yeah. But like, people lift, click,
- 40:48it's not the end of the world. But if it's I, I assume if it's
- 40:53that fast, that's not a thing that happens.
- 40:55Yeah. Commonly, but yeah, anyway,
- 40:59that's not important. That's Blizzard is very busy
- 41:01right now. They have a lot going on.
- 41:03If they're going to deal with it, they could always, this is
- 41:05something they could always address at the end of the
- 41:07season. There's no like as long as it's
- 41:09done before title is type of like the title score is is is
- 41:13delivered and people are granted title then that's when it would
- 41:16matter. You know what, I think it would
- 41:18be hilarious if they waited till the last week and then dial the
- 41:20back. That would be great.
- 41:21I would love that. Oh no, even better.
- 41:23They say nothing and they give the people who did that just the
- 41:28title of like dirty cheater and the people who actually did it,
- 41:31the actual title and people just logging, they're like, Oh no, I
- 41:35don't. Know.
- 41:37They don't have to wear the title, They don't get the actual
- 41:39title. And frankly, I feel like some
- 41:43people would actually see that as a flex.
- 41:45Like there would be some people who'd be like, oh, this is so
- 41:47cute and fun. I got this fun, sexy little
- 41:49title that nobody else has. Any any of you report it,
- 41:53they'll be like, OK, we're not giving you The Dirty.
- 41:55Here. I don't know that would that to
- 41:59me would be would actually send a message where Eve people
- 42:05wouldn't even wait for Blizzard to like put out a we're acting
- 42:09upon this. They'd be like, maybe I don't
- 42:11want to if Blizzard just was like what?
- 42:15We didn't say anything. You did what you did.
- 42:17You know you did what you did. Don't worry.
- 42:20You don't have to show the title if you don't want to, but people
- 42:23can go look it up in the API. So congratulations.
- 42:28Yeah, yeah. OK, all that to say, clearly
- 42:33Mythic plus season one has some warts on it.
- 42:36But you have been on the PTR testing up a storm.
- 42:41We have had one week where it's been the new dungeon, the
- 42:45Operation Floodgate this past week with a new build coming in
- 42:51soon. We have been testing the
- 42:54second-half, the back half of the WAR within dungeons that
- 42:59were in the preseason, and this upcoming week we are getting the
- 43:04three legacy returning dungeons that will be coming up.
- 43:09But Blizzard has been saying that they've been making
- 43:13adjustments to these dungeons, that they are going to change
- 43:17things. And yes, but then also no.
- 43:23It's been a little bit of a roller coaster, especially after
- 43:26getting off of that first week, feeling super high and then
- 43:29getting into this weekend. Sean, what happened?
- 43:34I want to put a pin in this. I want to do the testing this
- 43:37week with the new dungeons and we will have seen all of season
- 43:392 dungeons and revisit it next week.
- 43:42Also, we're right at the deadline for when Lex needs to
- 43:44go to bed, so fine. I'm an adult.
- 43:46I I I can I can survive a little bit past 9.
- 43:50This won't be a little bit this. One this one is not this is not
- 43:53a little. Bit conversation.
- 43:55Blizzard has said what they intend.
- 43:58I'll leave it at this till next week.
- 43:59I do want to I do want to leave it till next week though.
- 44:01Blizzard has said what they intend.
- 44:03They said that they are hearing us.
- 44:06They have said these, you know, they've given us indication of
- 44:09some changes they're making. I look forward to seeing the
- 44:14follow through and then matching the comments in interviews and
- 44:20blue posts with actual dungeon design and tuning.
- 44:26We don't see it yet, not entirely.
- 44:30Not entirely. Well, unfortunately.
- 44:34Guys, we're going to have to leave you with that cliffhanger.
- 44:37We will be back again soon. There is going to be a third
- 44:41part to the housing series. I will be sitting down with
- 44:46another craft personality to talk about Guild Wars 2 housing
- 44:51and how that can give us some lessons.
- 44:54But until next time, may all your hits be quits.