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Rose Bowl Preview: What We Learned About Ohio State And Oregon From Ryan Day And Dan Lanning · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a very special live episode of buck Eyes
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Speaker 1: Tomorrow Morning for Tuesday, December twenty fourth. I'm your host,
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Speaker 1: Tom Moore. The Oregon game in the Rose Bowl in
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Speaker 1: just eight days, the game against Michigan in three hundred
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Speaker 1: and forty days. Just got a chance to talk to
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Speaker 1: Ryan Day, head coach of Ohio State and Dan Lanning,
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Speaker 1: head coach of Oregon about that Rose Bowl, some of
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Speaker 1: the big storylines we'll be talking about in the lead
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Speaker 1: up to that game, and much more, and be breaking
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Speaker 1: that all down with my buddy Tony gerdem and if
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Speaker 1: Buckyhaddle dot com. Tony, I think my big first takeaway
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Speaker 1: is that is the most words I have ever heard
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Speaker 1: Dan Lanning say. He is typically a man of very
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Speaker 1: few words. We spent like an hour with him at
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Speaker 1: Big ten media Days and it was like, I don't
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Speaker 1: think you talk for more than twelve seconds about anything.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know either he's getting better at this,
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Speaker 1: or he's more comfortable with this, or he just wants
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Speaker 1: to now that he's on a bigger stage, wants to
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Speaker 1: have everyone know that, yes, he can string three sentences.
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Speaker 2: Well yeah there were, They weren't all three sentences. Some
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Speaker 2: were just one or two, but it was a little
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Speaker 2: more conversational conversant for Dan Lanning. I don't know how
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Speaker 2: much we necessarily learned. Maybe he's getting better at coach speak.
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Speaker 2: That's why he can talk more, like twy chooses talk
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Speaker 2: more because he could say more words without while saying less.
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Speaker 2: That's it, goeah, why not explore the room with all
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Speaker 2: of this nothingness? But I mean get used to it.
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Speaker 2: I guess we'll have it one or two more times,
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Speaker 2: and then next year and a year after and the
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Speaker 2: year after that until he's I guess what at Georgia.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, and there was plenty to talk about today,
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Speaker 1: certainly with Lanning and with Brian Day, and there were
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Speaker 1: some interesting answers, and there were certainly some recurring themes
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Speaker 1: that we heard a lot about. One of them was, Hey,
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Speaker 1: did you guys know you played a couple months ago? Big?
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Speaker 1: If true? This is the second time Ohio State is
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Speaker 1: played Oregon this year, and Oregon just did this a
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Speaker 1: year ago. They played Washington twice this year. This is
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Speaker 1: the first time Ohio States played a team twice in
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Speaker 1: one season as far as I can remember, back to
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Speaker 1: UCLA in nineteen seventy one five. I can't remember it
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Speaker 1: happening since then, but it has been you know, this
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Speaker 1: is a thing for oh yeah, Wisconsin. Sorry, Wisconsin in
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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, that's right. Sorry, So it has been a
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Speaker 1: minute for Ohio State. It has been not quite as
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Speaker 1: much time for Oregon. But how different, you know, how
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Speaker 1: does that change things when you're trying to prepare for
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Speaker 1: a team you've already played. That was sort of one
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Speaker 1: of the big recurring questions. Hey, do you kind of
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Speaker 1: look at what went well the first time and just
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Speaker 1: do that again? Do you look at what's happened since
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Speaker 1: these teams have played, because they played in October twelve,
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Speaker 1: it's been a while. What's the approach from the coaches?
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Speaker 2: I like Dan Lanning, He's like, well, you got enough time,
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Speaker 2: so you look at everything. You look at the last game.
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Speaker 2: You look at what went well, what didn't. You look
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Speaker 2: at how both teams have changed and what those changes
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Speaker 2: would it would how they would impact against each other
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Speaker 2: now and where you've gotten good, where you've gotten worse.
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Speaker 2: I liked also what Ryan Day said, He's like, well,
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Speaker 2: you still have overage what they call overage from that game,
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Speaker 2: the plays that they put in the playbook that they
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Speaker 2: didn't there to put in the game plan that they
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Speaker 2: didn't use, and they put him in for a reason
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Speaker 2: because they thought they would work in that game. And
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Speaker 2: so you still got those that you haven't necessarily shown.
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Speaker 2: But also now you've got to look and see what
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Speaker 2: they are now and what you are now. They organ
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Speaker 2: did not have Jordan Birch their star defensive end in
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Speaker 2: that game. They will now, And so how do you operate?
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Speaker 2: How much does he change your game plan? How much
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Speaker 2: does that impact it? Even though they went into that
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Speaker 2: game planning for Birch to play, I would assume, and
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Speaker 2: game planning for him to play, so the game plan
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Speaker 2: won't necessarily change too much, but the talent that you're
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Speaker 2: playing against will. So it is interesting where how much
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Speaker 2: stock do you put into the previous game? You look
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Speaker 2: at what worked, you look at what didn't, and if
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Speaker 2: it didn't work, you probably just throw that one into bonfire.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had some interesting phrases that I haven't heard
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Speaker 1: him use before. Overage, as you mentioned, was one where
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Speaker 1: it's the stuff you said that you had planned for
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Speaker 1: the time you didn't use, or you had planned for
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Speaker 1: other games recently, and you didn't use where it's practiced,
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Speaker 1: it's kind of ready to go and you can just
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Speaker 1: sort of take it off the shelf. But he also
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Speaker 1: said you got to pack what you need. So obviously
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Speaker 1: not an overpacker. Ryan Day you it's like, yeah, you
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Speaker 1: have the whole We talked to Jim Knowles about this
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Speaker 1: all the time because he talks about, you know, what
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Speaker 1: do you have and how much of your book have
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Speaker 1: you put in and how much do you have in
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Speaker 1: your toolbox and you want to balance. Hey, you want
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Speaker 1: to have a lot of different things you could do
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Speaker 1: without overloading these guys because you don't have the amount
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Speaker 1: of practice time, the amount of meeting time, the amount
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Speaker 1: of everything that an NFL team has, So you have
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Speaker 1: to be a little more strategic about what you're trying
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Speaker 1: to do, and you're also trying to balance. You pack
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Speaker 1: what you need because you might need to pack again
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Speaker 1: for the Cotton Bowl. One of these teams is going
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Speaker 1: to have to pack again for the Cotton Bowl after
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Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl, so you don't want to use everything
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Speaker 1: you got empty the bag. One of the things that
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Speaker 1: was an interesting a big storyline going into the Tennessee
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Speaker 1: game and then a big storyline during the Tennessee game
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Speaker 1: and now after the Tennessee game. Is the Ohio State
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Speaker 1: offensive line how those guys played, Ryan Day, seemed like,
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Speaker 1: I mean really not a surprise after you were up
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Speaker 1: forty to ten with against Tennessee in the fourth quarter.
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Speaker 1: Ryan Day, though, was pretty happy with what he saw
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Speaker 1: out of Luke Montgomery, who he specifically asked about, but
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Speaker 1: also Austin Serraveld and Tiger Shabola who were also in
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Speaker 1: that guard nex guys who've started before and have played
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Speaker 1: against Oregon before.
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Speaker 2: And Ryan talked about Luke Montgomery. He liked the energy
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Speaker 2: he played in the thirty thirty some snaps and he
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Speaker 2: was out there. You could feel him. And not that
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Speaker 2: anybody was perfect, but the energy that they brought in
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Speaker 2: the physicality that they brought, and how the rotating those
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Speaker 2: three guys allowed them all to play fast and to
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Speaker 2: play consistently hard and fast while they were in there,
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Speaker 2: because they would get a breather, they'd get an opportunity
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Speaker 2: to see where they went wrong, where they went right,
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Speaker 2: and that fixes you. That build your confidence, like Okay,
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Speaker 2: if I keep doing this, I'll just do more of
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Speaker 2: this and I'll stop doing this. So you get that
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Speaker 2: feedback and you get to watch it happen while you're
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Speaker 2: on the sidelines and you're seeing what you need to
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Speaker 2: do and what you need to do better, and then
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Speaker 2: the next time you get out there you do it.
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Speaker 2: So that does build your confidence, now does it? You
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Speaker 2: still got to be able to operate and execute, and
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Speaker 2: the cohesion on the offensive line needs to be there.
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Speaker 2: I think the interesting thing with the game plan against
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Speaker 2: Tennessee was that you weren't always working as five the
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Speaker 2: offensive line. You're doing the gap schemes, you're doing some counters,
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Speaker 2: so you're working as two or three rather than five,
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Speaker 2: which I think helps that cohesiveness when you don't have
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Speaker 2: to be it's not four guys zone blocking. You know
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Speaker 2: that the line of scrimmage type of things, so the
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Speaker 2: cohesion isn't necessarily as important. It's just important to go
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Speaker 2: get your guy or to take your guy away from
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Speaker 2: the play. So I think they operated well with that
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Speaker 2: understanding that you're probably not going to have sup superb cohesion,
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Speaker 2: but also you don't need to. If you're moving guys
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Speaker 2: all over the place, you just need them to operate,
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Speaker 2: and if they don't, it's okay at times because that
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Speaker 2: defenders nowhere near the play.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was an interesting answer from Ryan Day about
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Speaker 1: the gap schemes and how they used them and why
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Speaker 1: they worked so well for them, Because we talk all
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Speaker 1: the time about the importance of those five offensive linemen
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Speaker 1: gelling and playing together and moving is one and all
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, and then if you are in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the week with a playoff game on
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Speaker 1: deck a couple days later and you're still not sure
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Speaker 1: who those five are going to be, well, that makes
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Speaker 1: it a little harder for those five to gel. But
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Speaker 1: the gap schemes definitely, as you say, sort of mitigated
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Speaker 1: some of those concerns. They talked about how they used
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Speaker 1: they were able to get some double teams inside really
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Speaker 1: push guys off the line. You saw that on I
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Speaker 1: think it was one of the quinch on Judkins' touchdown
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Speaker 1: runs where they highlighted it on the broadcast where you
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Speaker 1: had I think it was Tager Shabol and Josh Bryer
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Speaker 1: just pile driving some poor Tennessee defensive lineman five yards
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Speaker 1: deep in the end zone and then being able to
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Speaker 1: have those pullers get to the second level clean up
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Speaker 1: some of the linebackers. And then you also talked about
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Speaker 1: how hard the backs were running behind them, and then
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Speaker 1: how the thread of the wide receivers outside really helped
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Speaker 1: keep some of those guys out of the box, help
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Speaker 1: with numbers a little bit, and you put all that
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Speaker 1: stuff together, it's like, yeah, makes sense why Ohoustate was
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Speaker 1: able to run the ball better than we thought. Now
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Speaker 1: they've put all that on film. Now Oregon has a
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Speaker 1: few days to try and digest that as they're adapting
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Speaker 1: their game plan for this game a little bit. One
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Speaker 1: of the other things they're going to have to account
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Speaker 1: for is Will Howard, who played probably his single best
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Speaker 1: game as a Buckeye on Saturday night. Over three hundred
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Speaker 1: yards passing thirty seven yards, rushing, a couple of touchdowns,
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Speaker 1: really really eighty three percent completions. That was a fantastic
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Speaker 1: performance against a pretty good Tennessee defense. So now the
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Speaker 1: question for Dan Landing is, Okay, how much has Will
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Speaker 1: Howard adapt changed and evolved since the last time you
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Speaker 1: saw him when he also had a pretty decent day
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Speaker 1: against Oregon And for Ryan Day, he was asked about
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Speaker 1: something that Chip Kelly mentioned after the game on Saturday
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Speaker 1: night about how chip Kelly will start talking about a
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Speaker 1: player like calling a play and Will Howard, like, you know,
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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly gets two words out. Will Howard goes, yeah, okay,
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Speaker 1: got it and knows, hey, I know, I know where
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Speaker 1: you're going with this. We're on the same page. All good.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And Will Howard even talked about it after the game,
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Speaker 2: even based on like formation that they call it, he'll
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Speaker 2: basically know what play is coming. And then you get
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Speaker 2: the first couple of words and they're finishing each other's sentences.
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Speaker 2: And that happens in practice and it happens in the games.
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Speaker 2: And so when you've got that, you've got that command
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Speaker 2: of the playbook. But even more importantly, as Ryan Day said,
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Speaker 2: you know the hows and the whys, why, and what
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Speaker 2: is the purpose of this play? Not just you know,
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Speaker 2: where's everybody going. What is the purpose of it? What
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Speaker 2: are you trying to attack? And why are you trying
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Speaker 2: to attack it? And so when you know all that,
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Speaker 2: you can anticipate what play is coming, and you've got
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Speaker 2: the situation wal wareness, it's second second and seven. I
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Speaker 2: generally know this patch of plays that we get into.
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Speaker 2: And so once you start hearing one or even even
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Speaker 2: knowing the defense that you're playing, so many of these
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Speaker 2: quarterbacks can call their own games if they need needed to.
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Speaker 2: And probably I wonder how often like Will is calling
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Speaker 2: it in his own head in terms of like this
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Speaker 2: is what I would do? Or do you do you
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Speaker 2: turn that part of your brain off? I think that's
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Speaker 2: a good question for him. Maybe one of us should
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Speaker 2: ask him. But you know, when you have when you're
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Speaker 2: operating like that and you have an understand defense can't
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Speaker 2: do what it should do in this situation, and then
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Speaker 2: you start to hear it from the coordinator, you start
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Speaker 2: to hear from Chip and it's like Okay, I got it,
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Speaker 2: and and you go from there. The understanding is key.
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Speaker 2: Like the memorization, Well, how we talk about He's always
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Speaker 2: been able to memorize stuff. It's the understanding to where
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Speaker 2: it's no longer memorization, it's knowledge and it's not just grote,
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Speaker 2: it's understanding.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not just repeating what you has been said
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Speaker 1: to you. You're able to teach the class if needed.
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Speaker 1: That's that's when they say you've got mastery when you
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Speaker 1: can get up in front of the class and teach it.
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Speaker 1: Will Howard could definitely teach the end of class on
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State offense at this point and Dylan Gabriel
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Speaker 1: on the organ side almost certainly in the same boat.
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Speaker 1: Those two guys were both veteran from quarterbacks from the
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Speaker 1: Big Twelve. They talked earlier the year about the fact
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Speaker 1: that you know, they know each other. They're both new
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Speaker 1: in this conce they're both new in these teams, but
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Speaker 1: they know each other from their Big Twelve days, Gabriel
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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma and Will Howard at Kansas State. Dylan Gabriel
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Speaker 1: is kind of in that same boat where they ask
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Speaker 1: him to do a lot and he can has done
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Speaker 1: all of it very very effectively this year. Heisman finalist.
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Speaker 1: Statistically a really dynamite quarterback, and he presents a lot
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Speaker 1: of the same threats that Nico Iamaliava did last week
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Speaker 1: for Ohio State when when they're front playing Tennessee. But
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Speaker 1: Dylan Gabriel is just kind of he's the Nico Iamaliava with,
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Speaker 1: you know, he comes back from the future and says
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Speaker 1: to Iamliava, you know, hey, let me tell you all
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Speaker 1: that I've learned over my many years of college football.
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Speaker 1: He's not as tall, but he presents a lot of
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Speaker 1: the same challenges and one of those challenges is running
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Speaker 1: the ball, how well he can run the ball and
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Speaker 1: extend plays. You and I are doing some rewatches of
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Speaker 1: like the some of the other Oregon games. Will have
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Speaker 1: shows on that coming up this week for you on
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Speaker 1: our YouTube channel, on your podcast platforms of choice. In
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Speaker 1: the Buckeye Weekly podcast, Speed but Dan Lanning was asked
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Speaker 1: about the importance of Dylan Gabriel and just his ability
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Speaker 1: to use his legs to extend plays and pick up
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Speaker 1: some first downs, and just his maturity, the fact that
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Speaker 1: he just he's seen it all before. He doesn't freak out.
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Speaker 1: Nothing is new, nothing is confusing. It's just kind of like,
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Speaker 1: whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, sure, I've seen this before.
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Speaker 1: I know what to do, and he's seen a lot before.
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Speaker 1: So but in this offense, and it's just one year in,
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Speaker 1: but he understands that he understands defenses in the way
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Speaker 1: they will attack him. But you look at what he's
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Speaker 1: done this year rush for one hundred and ninety two yards.
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Speaker 1: His two best games on the ground is two highest
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Speaker 1: output games on the ground, both against OSU sixty four
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Speaker 1: yards against Oregon State thirty two yards against Ohio State.
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Speaker 1: He had with a twenty nine yarder or something like
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Speaker 1: that for the touchdown. I forget how long it was.
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Speaker 2: But he's also looking to throw the ball when he's running,
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Speaker 2: but he will also get down and he's not afraid
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Speaker 2: to run. He's not, as you said, he's not a
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Speaker 2: big guy, but he's a smart runner. And Lanning said
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Speaker 2: he will understand quickly whether to pull it down or not.
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Speaker 2: So he's just really a really smart guy and has
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Speaker 2: no problem. If it's not there right away, or there's
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Speaker 2: a botch snap or there's a mistake, he'll just run
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Speaker 2: up field and get what he can and get down.
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Speaker 2: But he is a mobile guy and he does keep
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Speaker 2: plays alive. And rewatching this Wisconsin game, we don't need
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Speaker 2: to talk about it too much here, but you know
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Speaker 2: he's there will be a guy coming clean off the
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Speaker 2: edge and trying to chase him and not catching him,
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Speaker 2: and he's just keeping his distance. And now he can
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Speaker 2: either turn it upfield or he could throw it. And
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Speaker 2: he's a good decision maker. Yeah, he does not have
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Speaker 2: the strongest arm. Did it matter the first time these
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Speaker 2: two teams played, No, it certainly did not, because as
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Speaker 2: long as you're accurate downfield, doesn't really matter. If if
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Speaker 2: you're just throwing against one on ones and there are
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Speaker 2: no safeties trying to help you out. But getting pressure
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Speaker 2: on getting pressure on him is still going to be key.
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Speaker 2: He could do something after that, but at least you're
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Speaker 2: forcing the action. And the way that Ryan Day is
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Speaker 2: talking about they want to be aggressive in all three phases,
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem like that would be like, well, be aggressive
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Speaker 2: on defense except passive what we get after Dylan Gabriel,
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's the plan either.
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Speaker 1: Probably not, And we can get much more into the
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Speaker 1: game plan later in the week. I'm already trying to
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Speaker 1: talk to Ross Fulton about to figuring out when we're
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Speaker 1: going to do those sort of schematic breakdown shows and
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Speaker 1: what he thinks Ohio State's game plan should be against Oregon.
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Speaker 1: This one from Jeff in the comments saying, no, he
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Speaker 1: knows Denzel Burk's gonna be looking for his redemption. And
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Speaker 1: you know, Burke certainly did not have a great game
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Speaker 1: in the first game against Oregon, but a lot has
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Speaker 1: changed with the Ohio State defense. That sort of spurred
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Speaker 1: a lot of change with the Ohio s Date defense
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Speaker 1: that first Oregon game. And Ryan Day said, you know,
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Speaker 1: this is not about seeking redemption for the first game.
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Speaker 1: This is not you know, they're not spending all week
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Speaker 1: rubbing their hands together and saying, Aha, finally time for revenge.
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Speaker 1: It's a bunch of stuff that's much more mundane than that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all mundane. It's it's execution, and it's the
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Speaker 2: putting the gate the right game plan together against your
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Speaker 2: opponent and maximizing your strengths minimizing your weekend weaknesses. It's
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Speaker 2: all Tom. As I say, tackling and blocking is the key.
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Speaker 2: In terms of the Denzel Burke thing, I know he
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Speaker 2: got a ton of grief for that game. I still
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Speaker 2: chalk most of that up to the game plan. We
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Speaker 2: went into that game talking all week long about how
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Speaker 2: the organ has not really thrown deep, and when they
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Speaker 2: have it's not been accurate. So they throw to the sticks,
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Speaker 2: they try to get first downs, and Ohio State's defense
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Speaker 2: some of it, so much of it just stopped at
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Speaker 2: the sticks and Oregon didn't, and Ohio State paid the
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Speaker 2: price for that. I'm expecting a much different game plan
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Speaker 2: this time around, which means Tom, the sticks will be open.
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Speaker 1: Have fun with that. That was the second time in
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Speaker 1: the span of about five Ohio State games that we
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Speaker 1: watched a bunch of an opponent's previous games and went, well,
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Speaker 1: here's what they don't don't do. They don't throw the
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Speaker 1: ball down field. And then Michigan did that in well,
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Speaker 1: I guess that was twenty twenty two. Is Michigan game,
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Speaker 1: not twenty twenty three, but yet Michigan. We had that
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Speaker 1: conversation before the Michigan game in twenty twenty two, and
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Speaker 1: then they broke that tendency very strongly, and Oregon did
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Speaker 1: the same thing against Ohio State this year, really got
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Speaker 1: away from that tendency. And then you know, watching some
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Speaker 1: of the games since then, they're still shooting the ball
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Speaker 1: downfield some, but it's still most of the passing game
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Speaker 1: closer to the sticks. We will continue that conversation a
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Speaker 1: little later on in the week. One guy who can
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Speaker 1: you can get him the ball at the sticks, when
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Speaker 1: you can get him the ball deep, you threw him
16:32
Speaker 1: the ball wherever he is, and something cool is probably
16:34
Speaker 1: about to happen. Jeremiah Smith. Ryan Day was asked about
16:37
Speaker 1: what what stands out, what's maybe something that don't appreciate
16:39
Speaker 1: about Jeremiah Smith? And I was all ready for the
16:43
Speaker 1: like I was starting to just type out his work ethic,
16:46
Speaker 1: his boy, all the studies that Nope, nope. Ryan Day
16:49
Speaker 1: had a very different answer, which is I was I
16:51
Speaker 1: was really surprised.
16:52
Speaker 2: By Yeah, probably a size is what Ryan Day said.
16:57
Speaker 2: And I talked about how just big he is physically,
16:59
Speaker 2: and it's interesting because that's the first thing anybody notices,
17:04
Speaker 2: but then you watch you watch him play, and you
17:08
Speaker 2: start to notice everything else, Like he's just the ball skills,
17:11
Speaker 2: all the speed. You see that. Ryan Day and all
17:15
Speaker 2: of his teammates, all of the teammates and coaches have
17:17
Speaker 2: talked about the off field stuff of Jeremiah, the preparation,
17:20
Speaker 2: the maturity, like all of this is now old hat.
17:23
Speaker 2: He's thrown that out there for so much, for so
17:25
Speaker 2: long that maybe we've kind of gone full circle here
17:29
Speaker 2: in the most overlooked quality that Jeremiah Smith has is
17:33
Speaker 2: he just he's big and he's strong, and he's a
17:36
Speaker 2: physical guy. Because you look at him and it's like
17:39
Speaker 2: like this ballet dancer is strong as hell. Like you
17:43
Speaker 2: may not know that and you just see the dancing
17:46
Speaker 2: in the all of that stuff in the fluidity, But
17:48
Speaker 2: he's big and he's strong, and I think that was
17:50
Speaker 2: just a reminder like, while he is making all of
17:53
Speaker 2: these plays and he's fast and he looks fast, don't
17:56
Speaker 2: forget that he's also six ' three, six ' four,
17:59
Speaker 2: you know, two order and ten pounds or whatever, and
18:02
Speaker 2: is when you stand next to him, it's like, okay, okay,
18:07
Speaker 2: he is a big receiver. I remember Tom many many
18:10
Speaker 2: years ago, the first time I saw David Boston on
18:12
Speaker 2: the field, I was like, he looks like a tight
18:14
Speaker 2: end and he was six three two oh five listed
18:18
Speaker 2: and Jeremiah Smith is bigger than that. And now he
18:20
Speaker 2: just looks like, well that's what Yes, that's what androids
18:23
Speaker 2: and robots are supposed to look like on the ball field.
18:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, And he continued to present matchup issues for just
18:30
Speaker 1: about every corner he goes up against. We'll see how
18:33
Speaker 1: well Oregon can defend him this time. He had a
18:36
Speaker 1: nice game against Oregon the first time. Obviously, all anyone's
18:40
Speaker 1: going to remember about that game was that last throw
18:42
Speaker 1: that they had to him or the throat, well, the
18:44
Speaker 1: last couple throws to that they had to him, one
18:46
Speaker 1: with the offensiveass interference call, another one that they threw
18:49
Speaker 1: to him. That was the Oregon twelve men on the
18:51
Speaker 1: field penalty, a couple a couple of plays that have
18:53
Speaker 1: had some narrative around them since that game and will
18:56
Speaker 1: probably be something that people are talking about again in
18:58
Speaker 1: the lead up today Rose Bowl, you know, while everyone
19:01
Speaker 1: else is trying to relive things. Ryan Day said, I
19:05
Speaker 1: thought this was interesting. You are you're not taking what
19:09
Speaker 1: they did work well against Tennessee and going well, this
19:12
Speaker 1: is going to work well against Oregon as well. The
19:14
Speaker 1: phrase he used in terms of the game plan for
19:17
Speaker 1: Oregon was starting from scratch.
19:22
Speaker 2: I think you have to do that in order to
19:25
Speaker 2: in some ways, just like the CFP committee, Tom, it's
19:29
Speaker 2: a blank sheet of paper each week. But I think.
19:34
Speaker 1: Whose sheet is more blank? The coaching staff or the
19:37
Speaker 1: College Football Playoff Committee? And when you say the coaching staff,
19:40
Speaker 1: please mention which coaching staff you mean?
19:42
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I think what you maybe don't want to
19:45
Speaker 2: do is get into some assumptions. And so you know,
19:49
Speaker 2: everything that you've done that you do well and you
19:50
Speaker 2: can do so that's all part of the game plan.
19:53
Speaker 2: But then I think maybe the no assumptions thing or
19:55
Speaker 2: the blank sheet is more about how it's going to
19:57
Speaker 2: operate against Oregon and what to expect from Oregan is
20:00
Speaker 2: going to do. I think if you go with you, certainly, Tom,
20:03
Speaker 2: some of that defensive game plan needs to be not
20:05
Speaker 2: just a blank sheet, like that sheet needs to go
20:07
Speaker 2: to the fireplace and never be seen again. So yeah,
20:11
Speaker 2: in that regard, it should start blank. Offensively, I think
20:15
Speaker 2: it's a blank from from that Oregon game, the previous
20:18
Speaker 2: organ game, because this is a different offensive line and
20:22
Speaker 2: it's going to be a different running game. I think
20:24
Speaker 2: the passing game. Don't get rid of too much of that,
20:28
Speaker 2: you know, that passing attack, because I think it went
20:31
Speaker 2: well against Oregon and will continue to go well. So
20:33
Speaker 2: I starting from scratch, sure, but all the ingredients are
20:37
Speaker 2: laid out, you know, like you know, you know how
20:40
Speaker 2: to bake this cake. And just because you're making it
20:43
Speaker 2: from scratch, like you're pretty good at that and you
20:45
Speaker 2: know how to make it all. It's it's certainly better
20:48
Speaker 2: than going and buying the cake from the previous Oregon game.
20:52
Speaker 1: Having your ingredients laid out, Tony, that's known as your
20:54
Speaker 1: mesan plus exactly me in the kitchen. It's definitely a
20:58
Speaker 1: phrase I was not expected to say today, at least
21:01
Speaker 1: on this show. And here we are, So let's real
21:04
Speaker 1: quickly hit a couple things from Dan Lanning's side of things,
21:06
Speaker 1: and then we can talk about a couple of bigger
21:09
Speaker 1: picture things as well. The first thing was he was
21:12
Speaker 1: asked about the different travel schedule for the Rose Bowl
21:15
Speaker 1: this year. Normally, the Big ten and the Pac twelve
21:18
Speaker 1: rip teams head out there on Christmas Day, maybe the
21:23
Speaker 1: twenty sixth, and you have your day at Disneyland and
21:27
Speaker 1: then you do the Lowryes Beef Bowl one day. This
21:30
Speaker 1: is a business trip. It is a much shorter trip
21:33
Speaker 1: than normal. And what I thought was really interesting was
21:36
Speaker 1: if it was up to Dan Lanning very clearly, it
21:39
Speaker 1: would be an even shorter trip than it is.
21:41
Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd like to make it just a regular road
21:45
Speaker 2: game basically in terms of you get there the day
21:47
Speaker 2: before this one, what they're getting on there on the
21:49
Speaker 2: twenty and both teams arriving on the twenty ninth. The
21:52
Speaker 2: Ohish stayed the evening of the twenty ninth, so it's
21:55
Speaker 2: still remarkably quick turnaround. But I think I'm getting a
22:02
Speaker 2: practice out there in and sort of it's a couple
22:05
Speaker 2: of days of acclamation like that's that's kind of delay
22:09
Speaker 2: things for Dan Landing. But he would like to just
22:11
Speaker 2: get there on whatever. The Friday would be like the
22:15
Speaker 2: thirty first, get there, play the game on first, go home,
22:19
Speaker 2: and be back in bed before you know it. So
22:23
Speaker 2: it's just a little bit different than that. But it's
22:25
Speaker 2: it's also much different than a regular Bowl game because
22:29
Speaker 2: we know, like it's a long trip. We'd we'd be
22:31
Speaker 2: out there just us, we'd be out there for maybe
22:33
Speaker 2: seven eight days before we get home, and this one
22:36
Speaker 2: is just a what three or four days shorter than.
22:39
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, noticeably shorter. We're not flying out on Christmas,
22:42
Speaker 1: which is nice, but it is, you know, it's it's
22:46
Speaker 1: still you know, much longer than a typical road trip
22:50
Speaker 1: for us or road game for us. So how different
22:53
Speaker 1: a little different?
22:53
Speaker 2: How different is it from our Oregon game because we
22:56
Speaker 2: went out there on a Thursday and came back on
22:57
Speaker 2: a Monday.
22:59
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, we're left on a Yeah, left on a
23:02
Speaker 1: Thursday and came back on Monday. And so this will
23:05
Speaker 1: be yeah, this will be similar. It's gonna be uh
23:08
Speaker 1: you know, and that was you know, that got us
23:11
Speaker 1: out of our normal you know, our normal rhythm, and
23:14
Speaker 1: and you sort of when you travel you sort of
23:17
Speaker 1: feel that I mean if you if you're on a
23:19
Speaker 1: you know, you normally travel for work and you're normally
23:21
Speaker 1: gone Monday to Wednesday or something like that. If you're
23:24
Speaker 1: you know, I know someone who is a nurse and
23:27
Speaker 1: does like a traveling nurse kind of thing, and she's
23:30
Speaker 1: you know, has a normal rhythm to her week, and
23:32
Speaker 1: then every once in a while it's like, oh, schedule
23:34
Speaker 1: is a little different this week, and it really kind
23:36
Speaker 1: of messes with you. You get in the nice normal
23:38
Speaker 1: rhythms and then it's like, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm supposed
23:40
Speaker 1: to be home by now, and then you're not so
23:43
Speaker 1: And understand where Dan Lenning's coming from on that one.
23:45
Speaker 1: To this quick super chat from TK, the Tennessee Advanced
23:48
Speaker 1: Scouting report by the Huddle was impressive if you guys
23:50
Speaker 1: had them measured quite well. And we're going to try
23:52
Speaker 1: and do the same thing with Oregon this week. And
23:55
Speaker 1: the key is you got to watch the games. You
23:58
Speaker 1: got to watch the whole games, watch games where they
24:00
Speaker 1: play well, watch games where they play not well, and
24:02
Speaker 1: then you sort of know here's what's good, here's what's bad.
24:05
Speaker 1: And you also, by the time we've watched for five
24:08
Speaker 1: games of a team in a season. You have a
24:11
Speaker 1: pretty good sense for, hey, this is a one off problem.
24:13
Speaker 1: Hey this is a consistent problem. You know, we're The
24:17
Speaker 1: first game we watched was the for Oregon other than
24:20
Speaker 1: the Michigan and Ohio State games, which we've already watched,
24:24
Speaker 1: was the Wisconsin game. And it's like, boy, this offense
24:26
Speaker 1: really bogged down. It's like, well, they didn't have Tes Johnson,
24:29
Speaker 1: who's by far their leading receiver this year. That probably
24:32
Speaker 1: factors into it a little bit. We'll get into this
24:35
Speaker 1: in much more detail, but as this is wild to me,
24:38
Speaker 1: I went in thinking, okay, sixteen thirteen. We listened to
24:41
Speaker 1: this game on the radio on the way back from
24:43
Speaker 1: the Northwestern game in Chicago, and I thought, okay, boy,
24:49
Speaker 1: we're going to really learn something about the Oregon offense.
24:52
Speaker 1: I came in with more opinions on the Oregon defense
24:54
Speaker 1: than it did on the Oregon offense in a game
24:56
Speaker 1: where it was sixteen thirteen, and it wasn't necessarily like
25:00
Speaker 1: things about the Oregon defense. So we'll talk about that
25:03
Speaker 1: much more. That'll be a Buckeye Weekly podcast episode. We'll
25:06
Speaker 1: try and record that a little later on. Today. We've
25:08
Speaker 1: talked about this a couple other times on different shows,
25:10
Speaker 1: But our plan for this week is trying to get
25:12
Speaker 1: as much as done as we can as early as possible,
25:15
Speaker 1: because we know a lot of you guys are traveling
25:16
Speaker 1: and need you know, you need stuff to listen to
25:19
Speaker 1: in the car or on the airplane. Believe me, no
25:21
Speaker 1: one is more, no one is more sympathetic to Hey,
25:25
Speaker 1: you may have a long time in an airport or
25:27
Speaker 1: a long flight across the country or whatever it is,
25:29
Speaker 1: than we are. We're going to be right there with
25:31
Speaker 1: you a little later on in the week, so you know,
25:34
Speaker 1: try and get you as much as we can early
25:35
Speaker 1: in the week, and then of course as soon as
25:36
Speaker 1: Christmas is over, we're going to be back at it
25:39
Speaker 1: because we have all busy schedule in Columbus with interviews,
25:43
Speaker 1: get a chance to watch the practice, and then fly
25:45
Speaker 1: out to California, and then we're going to have a
25:47
Speaker 1: real fire drill of a few days in California. So
25:50
Speaker 1: there'll be plenty of plenty of content for you. But
25:52
Speaker 1: we do appreciate the kind words and we'll look to
25:54
Speaker 1: continue to live up to that standard this week as well.
25:58
Speaker 2: Can I just I did want to appologize. I went
26:00
Speaker 2: back and I looked at our game picks and somehow
26:03
Speaker 2: and typing out my score, which was I typed out
26:06
Speaker 2: twenty four to seventeen Ohio State. The four and the
26:09
Speaker 2: two got transposed. So I just wanted to apologize for that.
26:13
Speaker 2: That that was an edit, that's a correcting era editing, Ara.
26:16
Speaker 2: That was my fault. I should have reread that. But
26:20
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that I got it exactly correct on
26:22
Speaker 2: that score based on watching the four or five Tennessee
26:25
Speaker 2: games this year.
26:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I failed to account for the quality of competition
26:30
Speaker 1: they were apparently facing in in conference. But you live,
26:33
Speaker 1: you learn, you move on. We will see, and you know,
26:36
Speaker 1: I'm going to be so interested to see what this
26:38
Speaker 1: next Ohio State organ game looks like, because I think
26:40
Speaker 1: it might. It's going to be similar in some ways
26:42
Speaker 1: and very different in other ways. And I mean, we'll
26:46
Speaker 1: get into that later. I did want to talk to
26:48
Speaker 1: you one last thing about the Dan Lanning press cowers
26:51
Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting and I thought, I don't
26:55
Speaker 1: know if you're telling me the truth right now. Sir
26:58
Speaker 1: Dan Lanning's reaction when he saw Ohio State's name come
27:02
Speaker 1: up on the bracket as a potential second round matchup
27:05
Speaker 1: for the number one team in the country, which is
27:07
Speaker 1: theoretically being rewarded with nice easy path as the number
27:11
Speaker 1: one team in the country.
27:13
Speaker 2: I think the first words were super excited. Eh. He
27:19
Speaker 2: said playing against great teams is what this is all about. Now.
27:22
Speaker 2: The truth is he did say the path to the
27:24
Speaker 2: end is tough, which that's for everybody. So if you're
27:27
Speaker 2: gonna get there, you're gonna to play some teams. But
27:30
Speaker 2: as Ryan Day said, it's nice to have a win
27:32
Speaker 2: already under your belt in the playoffs. It's nice to
27:34
Speaker 2: be want to know in the playoffs and build that
27:36
Speaker 2: confidence and to have your first game. And we set
27:40
Speaker 2: it after the game for Oregon to be an underdog
27:48
Speaker 2: betting wise, like that's that's an issue in seeding, and
27:53
Speaker 2: we don't know that it's going to be corrected anytime soon.
27:56
Speaker 2: I think, well, it couldn't has to be which talk
28:00
Speaker 2: about this as well, it has to be corrected via
28:02
Speaker 2: a unanimous decision in terms of giving the the automatic
28:06
Speaker 2: berths a buye. I don't think you need that same
28:10
Speaker 2: sort of sweeping change to be like, Okay, we don't
28:14
Speaker 2: need to hold up the conference championship game losers above
28:19
Speaker 2: teams that beat them with the same records because there are,
28:24
Speaker 2: you know, all of these uneven scheduling, like, we don't
28:26
Speaker 2: need to we can change that, because it's not even
28:28
Speaker 2: a change. We can just not hold them up like
28:31
Speaker 2: that and and then let things fall where they may.
28:34
Speaker 2: And that would alleviate some issues. It doesn't alleviate the
28:38
Speaker 2: big issue of the the the buys that lesser programs,
28:44
Speaker 2: lesser programs, lower ranked programs are getting.
28:47
Speaker 1: I'll say that, and I talked about this on our
28:51
Speaker 1: post game show. I get a chance to chat with
28:53
Speaker 1: someone who is close to the college football playoff folks
28:57
Speaker 1: and asked, you know, hey, looking at the first round games,
29:00
Speaker 1: and let's center this conversation around the fact that the
29:04
Speaker 1: semi final games under the fourteen format were decided by
29:08
Speaker 1: an average of eighteen points a game, and then the
29:10
Speaker 1: first round games were decided by nineteen points a game
29:13
Speaker 1: this year and the twelve team format, So it's not
29:15
Speaker 1: like this is a brand new thing. But as you're looking,
29:17
Speaker 1: you know, as you're looking at, how might they adapt
29:21
Speaker 1: things moving forward? I asked the guy, what is the
29:24
Speaker 1: process to potentially make a change. We know there's gonna
29:27
Speaker 1: be big changes again in twenty twenty six, so not
29:30
Speaker 1: this coming year, but next year, a year from now,
29:34
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen months from now. There are going to
29:35
Speaker 1: be big changes coming when they potentially because because the
29:39
Speaker 1: existing contracts will end then and then you can, as
29:42
Speaker 1: you know Ryan Day and the committee love to do,
29:45
Speaker 1: start with a fresh sheet of paper, start from scratch,
29:47
Speaker 1: and you don't need to adapt something that's already in existence.
29:52
Speaker 1: Next year for twenty twenty five, is there a way
29:55
Speaker 1: they could change the format? Could they change that? You
29:59
Speaker 1: know that it's just the conference champions who get first
30:01
Speaker 1: round byes? Could they tweak something else? And the guy said, yes,
30:06
Speaker 1: you could do that. There is a process to do that. However,
30:10
Speaker 1: that process involves a unanimous vote of all of the stakeholders.
30:14
Speaker 1: So the SEC and the Big ten would have to
30:17
Speaker 1: do that, and they would probably be happy to do that.
30:19
Speaker 1: Notre Dame would probably be happy to do that, The
30:22
Speaker 1: Big twelve, the ACC, some of the other smaller conferences
30:26
Speaker 1: probably not as happy to do that. They're going to
30:28
Speaker 1: probably be happy to take their first round byes as
30:30
Speaker 1: long as they can get them, So that's probably not
30:33
Speaker 1: going to happen. So the answer is theoretically, there could
30:35
Speaker 1: be a change, Yes, will there be a change? Almost
30:38
Speaker 1: certainly not. You're gonna have to wait for twenty twenty
30:40
Speaker 1: six for that kind of a change. One last thing
30:43
Speaker 1: before we move on to if we have any questions
30:46
Speaker 1: and start getting ready to wrap up the question for
30:49
Speaker 1: both Ryan Day and Dan Lanning about the transfer portal
30:54
Speaker 1: and high school recruiting and two guys who are both
30:56
Speaker 1: recruiting at a very very high level of top five
30:59
Speaker 1: classes again this year and plenty transfer additions, perhaps another
31:04
Speaker 1: one on the way for Olden States soon. But they
31:07
Speaker 1: were both asking, you know, how do you balance bringing
31:10
Speaker 1: guys and you know, prioritizing recruiting versus transfer portal editions,
31:15
Speaker 1: And you know, it was sort of as you would expect,
31:17
Speaker 1: similar answers, but not exactly the same.
31:21
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, They said, you're always gonna build from high
31:25
Speaker 2: school and develop and retain those guys, and then there
31:30
Speaker 2: is attrition. So as you're losing guys from the portal,
31:32
Speaker 2: you're probably you're going to add from the portal, And
31:34
Speaker 2: if you're losing guys early, then you're gonna try to
31:36
Speaker 2: fill up the areas of need. So it's a supplemental thing,
31:40
Speaker 2: which is what we've always talked about. I thought it
31:43
Speaker 2: was interesting. The question to Dan Lanning was also about
31:46
Speaker 2: the footprint that he had at Georgia and the footprint
31:50
Speaker 2: that you have at Oregon. And one of the things
31:53
Speaker 2: that he said is, you know, are you looking for
31:55
Speaker 2: the best opportunity or the easiest opportunity? And it's like,
31:58
Speaker 2: how do you get people to come West? Well, you know,
32:00
Speaker 2: you've got to identify the people who are comfortable with
32:03
Speaker 2: going to the best fit for them. He said, Now,
32:06
Speaker 2: it is, based on what we've seen, Oregon is going
32:09
Speaker 2: to stick with high school recruiting because they're very darn
32:12
Speaker 2: good at it. But also based on what we've seen,
32:14
Speaker 2: Oregon is also going to be heavy in a transfer
32:16
Speaker 2: portal because they are very good at it. And then
32:19
Speaker 2: also he had another interesting question about, Hey, what's going
32:22
Speaker 2: on with your junior college players who have come here,
32:25
Speaker 2: because they now could potentially legally have some additional years
32:29
Speaker 2: of eligibility if the courts hold up the idea that
32:33
Speaker 2: there's an injunction right now that two co years don't
32:36
Speaker 2: count towards your NCAA eligibility, which I think is a
32:41
Speaker 2: kind of a not kind of a very much a
32:43
Speaker 2: farce to give the give them extra years when they've
32:47
Speaker 2: already been in college. But he's like, yeah, we haven't
32:50
Speaker 2: really talked about that yet, and he also didn't feel
32:51
Speaker 2: like that was going to go anywhere or last. But again,
32:55
Speaker 2: it starts with high school recruiting. As we've seen with
32:58
Speaker 2: Oregon on Ohio State battling quite a bit over the
33:02
Speaker 2: last couple of years, but also as we see Ohio
33:05
Speaker 2: State and Oregon battling quite a bit in the transfer portal,
33:08
Speaker 2: that's uh, I think it is. It's interesting to watch
33:12
Speaker 2: because at some point it feels like Oregon is just
33:16
Speaker 2: blombing up, Well, we'll take it all, we'll take it all.
33:18
Speaker 2: And we know that that's great in theory, but it
33:21
Speaker 2: has not necessarily worked. Has it worked for Texas A
33:25
Speaker 2: and m Has it worked for Miami? The in that realm,
33:29
Speaker 2: I think Oregon is better equipped because I think their
33:32
Speaker 2: foundation is better and it's more real and so they
33:35
Speaker 2: can do more with it. And you know the question,
33:38
Speaker 2: can you buy a championship? I don't want to say
33:42
Speaker 2: organ is buying a championship. I think they're putting there.
33:45
Speaker 2: They're they're spending their money in a very good way.
33:47
Speaker 2: Kind of like Ohio State has.
33:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a certain amount of you know, if you're
33:51
Speaker 1: a baseball team, are you doing it like the Dodgers,
33:54
Speaker 1: where yeah, you're spending a bunch of money and you're
33:55
Speaker 1: also putting in you know, you also have a really
33:58
Speaker 1: smart infrastructure in place, or are you doing it like
34:01
Speaker 1: the let's be charitable and say just the early nineties Mets,
34:05
Speaker 1: and are you spending a bunch of money and not
34:07
Speaker 1: putting a lot of thought into that? And there's a
34:09
Speaker 1: different there's a different piece of that. And if you
34:12
Speaker 1: look at Oregon and boy, if you have a conversation
34:15
Speaker 1: with an Oregon fan, if you even mentioned Phil Knight,
34:18
Speaker 1: just just yeah, yeah, either throw up your dukes or
34:22
Speaker 1: throw up your arms and say not in the face,
34:26
Speaker 1: because you're going to get a reaction because I don't
34:29
Speaker 1: know why, Like yeah, obviously when recruits are talking about
34:33
Speaker 1: the fact that he's going to give them a show deal, like, yeah,
34:35
Speaker 1: he probably played a role in this in some way.
34:37
Speaker 1: You don't have to pretend he didn't. I also like
34:40
Speaker 1: the you know, well, will Organ be able to buy
34:42
Speaker 1: a championship or will Ohio State, who everyone has been
34:44
Speaker 1: saying is trying to buy a championship, be able to
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Speaker 1: deny them that, and you know, and then what's the
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Speaker 1: narrative or on that.
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Speaker 2: But you have not heard the only team that you've
34:52
Speaker 2: heard of price tag on the last two years, I
34:55
Speaker 2: think is Ohio State. When it was Ryan day talking
34:58
Speaker 2: about thirteen million dollars to retain a that was twenty
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Speaker 2: twenty three. Now the twenty million dollar thing gets out there.
35:04
Speaker 2: It's amazing that nobody else is spending any money on players.
35:07
Speaker 2: And as Daya said, he even addressed it, he kind
35:09
Speaker 2: of went head on with it today talking about there's
35:12
Speaker 2: been a lot of talking about Ohio States nil on
35:14
Speaker 2: this team. That's majority majorly the majority of just retention,
35:20
Speaker 2: paying the players that have come back and rewarding those
35:22
Speaker 2: players as opposed to however much they've spent to bring
35:25
Speaker 2: in seven seven transfers. Like it's the numbers that get
35:31
Speaker 2: thrown out for Ohio State and it's like they're the
35:33
Speaker 2: only team paying anything. If there's no numbers thrown out
35:37
Speaker 2: by Oregon or or organ this year next, then I
35:42
Speaker 2: would be surprised. But also the number that was thrown
35:44
Speaker 2: out for Ohio State was thrown out by the athletic
35:45
Speaker 2: director So if you don't do that, then there's no
35:48
Speaker 2: there's no tag associated with it. And once you put
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Speaker 2: a number on it, then you've got you've got to
35:54
Speaker 2: own it, and you've got to People are going to
35:55
Speaker 2: just throw it on there and it's going to be
35:56
Speaker 2: attached literally as a tag. Hey, a literal price, Tom,
36:00
Speaker 2: let me put on your team. So don't put it
36:02
Speaker 2: out there.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that was probably a little bit of
36:05
Speaker 1: a strategic error because you put that out there, and
36:07
Speaker 1: then you just go ahead and put the bulls eye
36:09
Speaker 1: right around that because that's where everyone's going to be
36:11
Speaker 1: firing at that point. Let's hit one real quick one
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Speaker 1: from Jeff Fraser and then we're going to wrap up
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Speaker 1: because we've got a Kevin Noon Big Me kickoff show
36:17
Speaker 1: coming up relatively shortly. Jeff Frasier says, if Tennessee was
36:22
Speaker 1: the fifth grated defense, where is Oregon? So I pulled
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Speaker 1: up some national stats from CFB stats dot com national
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Speaker 1: leaders in scoring defense. Ohio State first overall right now
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Speaker 1: at eleven point four points per game. Tennessee now number
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Speaker 1: seven in the country at sixteen point one points per game,
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Speaker 1: and Oregon is number twelve at seventeen point eight points
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Speaker 1: per game, so very similar there. All three of those
36:45
Speaker 1: teams saw those numbers go up in their last games.
36:49
Speaker 1: Ohio State just up a little bit, Tennessee's up quite
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Speaker 1: a bit, and Oregon's up quite a bit as well
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Speaker 1: after the big championship game. In terms of rush defense
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Speaker 1: cards per carry, Ohio State fifth nationally two point nine
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Speaker 1: four yards per carry, Tennessee seventh nationally two point nine
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Speaker 1: seven yards per carry, Oregon fifty fifth, four point zero
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Speaker 1: one yards per carry. That's one to keep an eye on.
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Speaker 1: And as terms of pass defense, Ohio State number two
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Speaker 1: nationally in yards per attempt five point six. Tennessee is
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Speaker 1: I may have to control f thirty two thirty second
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Speaker 1: six point five yards per tentpt Oregon sixth there five
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Speaker 1: point eight yards per attempt. So just if you're looking
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Speaker 1: at a per play, per carry, per attempt, basis organ
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Speaker 1: substantially better against the pass then against the run. And yes,
37:38
Speaker 1: there was people asking about the All right, I'm contractually
37:43
Speaker 1: obligated to say market X, market x's organ passing out
37:46
Speaker 1: those Bobby Vinia contracts. Yes, that's a look at me.
37:52
Speaker 1: I'm so owened heat it. Anyway, it doesn't matter and
37:56
Speaker 1: there are folks asking it is going Yes, it is
37:58
Speaker 1: going to be Chris Fowler and Kirk KERR Street on
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Speaker 1: the call for the Rose Bowl. If you want to
38:03
Speaker 1: hear our thoughts on Chris Feller and KIRKIRB Street and
38:05
Speaker 1: ESPN and really the college football media on the whole,
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Speaker 1: and really the media on the whole. We did a
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Speaker 1: show that dropped last night Sunday night, talking all about Okay,
38:16
Speaker 1: why did you see what you see and heard what
38:18
Speaker 1: you heard on hear what you heard on the on
38:22
Speaker 1: the first round college playoff games, and in terms of
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Speaker 1: who's getting promoted and whose big losses count for more
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Speaker 1: than others, and whose big losses are a damning indictment
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Speaker 1: of the entire region of the country, and who's are
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Speaker 1: just hey, listen, one man's failings. We add a whole
38:37
Speaker 1: show on that. You can find that on the Buckeye
38:40
Speaker 1: Weekly podcast feed or on our YouTube channel YouTube dot
38:42
Speaker 1: com slash Bucke Huddle. Those are both going to be
38:45
Speaker 1: great places all week long for you, as well as
38:47
Speaker 1: the Buckeyes Tomorrow Morning feed and all of the Buckeye
38:50
Speaker 1: Huddle podcast feeds. We're going to have a ton of
38:52
Speaker 1: content coming up this week in the lead up to
38:54
Speaker 1: the Rose Bowl. Plenty of stuff for you, as we
38:56
Speaker 1: said before Christmas, so we can try and get a
38:59
Speaker 1: lot of the big pick your stuff out there before
39:01
Speaker 1: we head out to California, and then we'll have after Christmas.
39:04
Speaker 1: We'll have a couple days in Columbus doing some interviews,
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Speaker 1: go and to see some practice and much much more,
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Speaker 1: and then head out there. Buck guys heading out there
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Speaker 1: on the twenty ninth, a full media day on the thirtieth,
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Speaker 1: head coach press conference on the thirty first, and then
39:18
Speaker 1: the game on the first, and then after that, well,
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Speaker 1: one of these teams is going to be headed to
39:22
Speaker 1: the Cotton Bowl there. The one is going to be
39:23
Speaker 1: headed home and probably have a bunch of really surly
39:27
Speaker 1: fans not particularly thrilled with the fact that their season
39:29
Speaker 1: is ending on New Year's Day. But which one will
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Speaker 1: it be? Well, we will all find out together on
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Speaker 1: New Year's Day, Rose Bowl five pm Eastern on ESPN.
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Speaker 1: Will be there, hopefully many of you guys will be
39:41
Speaker 1: as well. Once again, I will recommend if you have
39:43
Speaker 1: the opportunity, you should go. It is an awesome experience
39:47
Speaker 1: every time at the Rose Bowl. So that will do
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Speaker 1: it for today. Thank you guys all for joining us.
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Speaker 1: Have a great day. We'll talk to you tomorrow.