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Almost Famous OGs: Wine Not with Ben Flajnik · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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Speaker 1: This is the almost famous podcast with I her radio. Hello,
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Speaker 1: trist A saturn A Wren. Oh, Ye're so funny that
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Speaker 1: you called me nay Wren all the time. What even
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Speaker 1: was that before I heard before you started saying it.
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Speaker 1: Well even, I saw it in the magazine once and
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Speaker 1: I was like, my name, Hey, where are you? That's
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Speaker 1: a cool backdrop. I actually um moved down to my office.
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Speaker 1: I feel like the lighting is better. And lighting is
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Speaker 1: a girl's best friend. Oh indeed it is. Yeah, helps
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Speaker 1: us guys out too, no question about it. I'm so
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Speaker 1: I am relegated to my normal guest room spot here.
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Speaker 1: But you'll notice there's some other stuff in here now
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Speaker 1: because our dishwasher in our base. So we finished our
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Speaker 1: basement right before COVID, and it was like the main
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Speaker 1: place in the house. My office is down there. We
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Speaker 1: have a movie room, a gym, a full kitchen. Kenyan
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Speaker 1: always says it's like her it's kind of like her
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Speaker 1: daycare for the kids when they come over. It's like
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Speaker 1: a huge roob. And the dishwasher down there basically exploded
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Speaker 1: in water two inches deep all over and noah. So
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Speaker 1: now we are in the process of a restoration company
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Speaker 1: coming in and doing all the damage restoration, ripping out
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Speaker 1: the floors. We had to get everything off the floor.
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Speaker 1: It's just brutal. I am so sorry that happened to
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Speaker 1: one of our close friends recently too, And yeah, I
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Speaker 1: know it was brutal for them. I'm so sorry that
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Speaker 1: isn't But you know what though, enough about me, Trista,
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Speaker 1: Oh enough a value, Bob. We've got a guest in
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Speaker 1: the waiting room. I guess it. I'm pretty sure everyone
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Speaker 1: will know because he was a lead eleven years ago.
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Speaker 1: And do you think it's been flanic? That's how you
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Speaker 1: pronounce it. I would always say it was Flannic flan
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Speaker 1: yet But that's okay. We're gonna ask. We're gonna ask. Um.
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Speaker 1: We've got Ben in the waiting room, so we're excited
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Speaker 1: to talk to him if you guys want to send
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Speaker 1: him in. I think he went by Ben F at
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Speaker 1: one point, n Ashley Susan, Yeah, that's truly, you did.
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Speaker 1: He went by Ben F because they didn't want to
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Speaker 1: murder that last names on his Yeah. They do it
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Speaker 1: for everybody now. Oh yeah, everybody's got to get off
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Speaker 1: the show. And you're like, hmm, what's my list? Even
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Speaker 1: if you're the only Bob in there, you're Bob g
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Speaker 1: you know. But there aren't Bob's anymore. Bob's too basic
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Speaker 1: of a name. There's there's there's Ashley's, there's Allen's. They're
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Speaker 1: not dating Allen's Alexander. I mean, there's that's not even
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Speaker 1: that's too basic Bob and Ben he was, he was,
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Speaker 1: So it was bachelor Bob. Then it was bachelor Ben
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Speaker 1: because the anamana pia and the alliteration of it works
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Speaker 1: so nicely, the anamana pia Ben. Do you understand that?
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Speaker 1: Can you translate for me? Welcome, gentlemen, Welcome Ben f
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Speaker 1: to the A F O G Show. And the only
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Speaker 1: reason saying that as because Tristan and I have been
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Speaker 1: debating how to say your name properly. Ben. I say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: flan yek, She says flic flanic. I mean you're you're clothes.
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Speaker 1: You're both clothes. We're both wrong. It's yeah, it's a
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Speaker 1: tough one. It's flanic. It's silent Jay, you know, ask
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Speaker 1: my ancestors. But I actually rewind because I think I
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Speaker 1: said flanic and I said and I made it a
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Speaker 1: little more Spanish. I thought Ben maybe had a little
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Speaker 1: Scandinavian Spaniard in him. I said, oh no, it's actually flanic, Ben, Flanic,
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Speaker 1: not a Mexican dessert. Yeah, although I do love the flon. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: delicious flan. How are you, Ben? Welcome to the show Man.
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Speaker 1: I'm good, guys, Thanks for having me. Um, you know,
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Speaker 1: suddenly coming on. Finally get some sun in Sonoma. So beautiful,
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Speaker 1: so beautiful Sonoma. So been a rainy winter. Nine steps
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Speaker 1: and sunshine. That's gonna be good for your grapes though, right,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's gotta be great for the grapes. I
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Speaker 1: would think, yeah, it should be a nice little bumper
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Speaker 1: crop here. Those vines had the most time to sleep
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Speaker 1: they've had in a long long time. So yeah, expect
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Speaker 1: some good things from from up north. So Ben, this
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Speaker 1: is our first time meeting, isn't it. I mean I
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Speaker 1: don't feel like we've ever formally met, so nice to
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Speaker 1: officially meet you. And had you met Trista of course,
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Speaker 1: the fairy godmother of the Bachelor fan? I think so same, same.
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Speaker 1: I don't think keep away from us. We were we
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Speaker 1: were like two heavy influencers when Ben came along. Bob,
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Speaker 1: they keep everybody away from me? So recently they do.
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Speaker 1: I am such a dinosaur that I recently. I just
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Speaker 1: texted Rob Mills and Brook Carson and I was like,
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Speaker 1: did I do something wrong? Because everyone who is in
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Speaker 1: a relationship is going back on the show and like
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Speaker 1: giving advice and whatever. And I was like, should I
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Speaker 1: be taking this personally? Because I'm never asked to go
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Speaker 1: back on the show. So I'm sorry. We never met Ben,
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Speaker 1: but I'm pretty sure they've been keeping me away from
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Speaker 1: all the contestants since since forever ago. I disappeared pretty
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Speaker 1: quick after my season two so that that might be
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Speaker 1: the reason. And you know, I don't get asked to
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Speaker 1: do any of those things either. I love Rob Mills,
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Speaker 1: though we had some really fun times. That guy's the best.
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Speaker 1: He's awesome. He is. Oddly enough, I've never been invited either.
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Speaker 1: I wonder why. Well, we're the old Guard guys. That's right,
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Speaker 1: that's all right, old guard that actually works for OGS two.
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Speaker 1: I always say old gals and old guys, but old guard,
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Speaker 1: old guard is nice and in today's PC woke environment,
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Speaker 1: we're not offending anyone by saying old guard. I hope not.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you don't know you do. I just heard
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Speaker 1: from my friend who's a doctor, who said that you
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Speaker 1: cannot use the word the phrase provider anymore. Provider. Really interesting. Okay, Anyway,
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Speaker 1: I digress. So how are you Ben telling us? Tell
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Speaker 1: us all all about you? Like Ben obviously or Bob
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Speaker 1: obviously alluded to the grapes. So are you still in
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Speaker 1: the wine business? I mean not as much as I
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Speaker 1: used to be. Um. You know, during the height of
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Speaker 1: my show, I was very much winemaker Benum. Now I
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Speaker 1: make a few barrels for giggles, friends and family. Kind
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Speaker 1: of gotten out of that business. Um. And I've actually
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Speaker 1: most recently, um, I've I've I'm kind of dipping my
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Speaker 1: toe into television production and being on the other side
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Speaker 1: of the camera. Yeah. So I've been developing some some
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Speaker 1: TV shows and I'm not sure like if I'm at
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Speaker 1: Liberty to tell you, oh, you're at Liberty. I have
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Speaker 1: a I have a paper development to deal with a
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Speaker 1: very large streaming service right now, So I'm I might
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Speaker 1: need to keep it a little tight lipit. But That's
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Speaker 1: what I've been working on, is more of kind of
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Speaker 1: like the production TV film kind of things on this
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Speaker 1: sets congratulation is did this start like with the Bachelor
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Speaker 1: or Bachelorette. I guess because that was your first show.
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Speaker 1: Did that start back then or is this something brand new?
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Speaker 1: It's kind of something brand new. I think that, you know,
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Speaker 1: as you go through the show, I always remember being
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Speaker 1: fascinated with with the producers and their jobs and you know, saying,
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Speaker 1: their ability to work with people and pull certain things
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Speaker 1: out of you know, at certain people at certain times.
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Speaker 1: I always found myself to be fairly good at at
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Speaker 1: people also, so that was kind of like the more
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Speaker 1: the most interesting part of like television development and production
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Speaker 1: is that you get to scratch a lot of different
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Speaker 1: parts of your your brand, the creative side, the analytical side,
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Speaker 1: the you know, you're the task side, things like that,
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Speaker 1: And so for me it's I was shooting a little
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Speaker 1: sizzle pilot out in a couple of different locations late
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Speaker 1: last year, and I remember thinking to myself at one point,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm really happy doing this. This is like
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Speaker 1: this is checking all the boxes for me. So you know,
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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe this is like my next career path.
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Speaker 1: But it's been really really fun to tell stories and
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Speaker 1: work with people and things like that. So good for you, man.
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Speaker 1: I think that's awesome. I actually I actually write after
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Speaker 1: what it wasn't right after, I guess, but probably two
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Speaker 1: thousand seven, eight nine, and my season was two thousand.
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Speaker 1: When was our stressed that we were two thousand and three,
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Speaker 1: and so I was late two thousand and three with
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Speaker 1: the Bachelor stuff. Um, but I remember a buddy of
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Speaker 1: mine approach me and we we actually had a couple
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Speaker 1: really good actually shows that we pitched. One was like
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Speaker 1: a restoration show for air streams. Oh cool, which was
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Speaker 1: a really cool idea, and we had all We filmed
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Speaker 1: it in Montana, which I thought was really cool because
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Speaker 1: I've never been there before and it was really beautiful,
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Speaker 1: and we did a bunch of shows and it was
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Speaker 1: It was really awesome because much like what Ben said it,
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Speaker 1: it kind of helped scratch that creative itch. And also
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Speaker 1: I was I was kind of like trying to get
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Speaker 1: away from being in front of the camera because I
8:52
Speaker 1: was at that time it was like, you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: celebrity bull riding. You're like, no, thanks, I'm good. The
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Speaker 1: boxing ring. Yes, that I had talked about this. They
9:02
Speaker 1: approached me like we want you on Celebrity Fear Factor.
9:05
Speaker 1: I'm like, absolutely not, I'm not gonna be the Bachelor.
9:06
Speaker 1: You can cow cow crap. You know, it's not having
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Speaker 1: did it for us, thank god. And he did a
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Speaker 1: much better job than I ever would have anyway. But
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Speaker 1: it was like, I was like, how do I how
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Speaker 1: do I still get my creative juices flowing without having
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Speaker 1: to embarrass myself? You know, it's a lot of work,
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Speaker 1: and you know what's interesting. And I'm sure you guys
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Speaker 1: you're nice people. You seem like nice people, right, you
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Speaker 1: probably kept up relationships with with people from the Bachelor franchise.
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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm ten plus years removed now, so
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Speaker 1: those those line producers, those supervising producers are now like
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Speaker 1: heads of yeah entities, and so they're you know those
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Speaker 1: calls if assuming you had a good relationship and we're
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Speaker 1: very respectful, Like they still pick up the phone, believe
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Speaker 1: it or not. It's nice and so and so that
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Speaker 1: was really nice for me to hear that this certain
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Speaker 1: individual that I called. I was like, hey, man, I
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Speaker 1: have this idea, and like I can I pitch you?
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Speaker 1: And and like I've already gone out and started shooting,
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Speaker 1: and like I'm paying for this thing, and he goes
10:04
Speaker 1: for you anytime, man, think Yeah, of course. So now
10:07
Speaker 1: we're way further along. So that's that's been. It's like
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Speaker 1: a family. It really is like a family. Yeah yeah,
10:12
Speaker 1: pick up where you left off. You know, it's very dysfunctional.
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Speaker 1: I found the family on the production side to be
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Speaker 1: a little bit more welcoming, yeah yeah, right, yeah, or
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Speaker 1: more more interesting, I should say, outside of a couple
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Speaker 1: buddies from from my Bachelorette season, which I'm still very
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Speaker 1: close with. But yeah, are you who do you stay
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Speaker 1: in touch with? Um Lucas Daniels. He was, he was
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Speaker 1: on Ashley season with me. He's he's become one of
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Speaker 1: my best friends on planet Earth. And I was in
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Speaker 1: his wedding, you know, a decade ago, and I watched
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Speaker 1: his kids grow up, and I'm out in Odessa, Texas,
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Speaker 1: like twice a year, and he's just he's my favorite.
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Speaker 1: So that's a love it. I love hearing there because
10:53
Speaker 1: I we um. You know, Trista and I obviously I
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Speaker 1: started off on Trista season and so many i mean
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Speaker 1: four or five the guys from that season and I
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Speaker 1: are still really close. And I always appreciated that from
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Speaker 1: the perspective, And I like that you say that, Ben,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I think the show's obviously gotten a
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Speaker 1: little bit different direction now. It seems like it's really
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Speaker 1: a lot more drama driven, a little more caddy, you know,
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Speaker 1: the guys. None of the guys even seemingly get along.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they do, but but your season,
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Speaker 1: I remember thinking, I remember when they cast you as
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Speaker 1: a bachelor. I was I was really happy about it
11:24
Speaker 1: because I watched Ashley's season and I really thought you
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Speaker 1: seem like such a nice, grounded guy, like just a
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Speaker 1: normal nice guy. And I was like, bash your bed man,
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Speaker 1: I like this guy. And so I love hearing that.
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Speaker 1: You know that I had you pegged properly that you are.
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Speaker 1: You know that you ended up having buddies from that show,
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Speaker 1: because that's the one of the biggest things trist I
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Speaker 1: hear about our season together was just how great everyone
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Speaker 1: got along with one another, and it's just a really
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Speaker 1: cool you know. There wasn't a lot of backbiting and
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Speaker 1: things of that nature, in which I think the show
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Speaker 1: has definitely changed in that regard. Do you still watch it, Ben,
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Speaker 1: I don't bother. But it's it's actually it's called trauma bombing,
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Speaker 1: that's what it's called. It's very true. I'm like, I'm
12:03
Speaker 1: pretty sure that's like a clinical term trauma for sure,
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Speaker 1: and we laugh at it, but it's true serious, Yeah
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Speaker 1: I get that. Yeah, So what was that what I'm
12:16
Speaker 1: sorry to like, you know, have like a therapy session,
12:19
Speaker 1: but what was the most like the most traumatizing. Is
12:22
Speaker 1: it like the producers and like how they're trying to
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Speaker 1: push your buttons or what ended up with Courtney or um? Like,
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Speaker 1: like tell me why you don't personally watch the show?
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Speaker 1: Um well, I think ay, I'm just I'm just a
12:38
Speaker 1: bit too busy. Um yeah, I get that, you know,
12:42
Speaker 1: there and there's there's so many others. I've just I've
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Speaker 1: watched enough of it, I think in my life and
12:47
Speaker 1: it's been and I think that, you know, it is
12:50
Speaker 1: kind of the same thing over and over season and
12:54
Speaker 1: season out. Um ye, so I get it. Like if
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Speaker 1: I do watch it, it's the first night and then
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Speaker 1: you know, just to see who's on it. But you know,
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Speaker 1: to your to your earlier point, like it's not the
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Speaker 1: same show, right. It feels to me, feels a little
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Speaker 1: icky like everyone's just kind of like there to boost
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Speaker 1: their social numbers and you know, start a career and God,
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Speaker 1: know what that that career is. Yeah, not for me,
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Speaker 1: and so I don't know. I just I find that
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Speaker 1: like the people that I know from and I still
13:24
Speaker 1: communicate with from from those seasons, Um, you know, I
13:27
Speaker 1: hold near and dear and I can kind of like
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Speaker 1: let it lay. Well. Yeah, but no, really really like
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Speaker 1: trauma trauma from you know, Courtney or the Producers or
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Speaker 1: anything like that. It's just like you're thrown into this experience.
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Speaker 1: It just feels so unnatural in the time, and so
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Speaker 1: like you're all like you guys know, you're all trying.
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Speaker 1: You're just trying to figure it out as fast as
13:50
Speaker 1: humanly possible, and you're so tired. Yeah. Yeah, and I
13:55
Speaker 1: think that's where like that trauma bonding um starts. It's
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Speaker 1: just like you're all like austed. They're like leaning on
14:01
Speaker 1: each other for help and comfort along the way. You
14:05
Speaker 1: hang in there, man, Yeah, that kind of thing. So yeah, well,
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Speaker 1: I mean I obviously my story is a bit different
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Speaker 1: than both of yours in terms of like actually finding
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Speaker 1: my person and having a successful relationship. So for me,
14:22
Speaker 1: it's not necessarily traumatic, but I will say for Ryan
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Speaker 1: it is. I mean, he doesn't want to watch the show. Um,
14:27
Speaker 1: so we all have our reasons, you know, why we
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Speaker 1: we would watch or you know, the memories that we
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Speaker 1: hold and the people that are important to us from
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Speaker 1: the show. I think that that makes a difference. Um,
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Speaker 1: do you talk to Corney or have you talked to
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Speaker 1: her in since the show? We yeah, yeah, yeah, we're
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Speaker 1: we're very cordial nowadays. You know, I think that there
14:48
Speaker 1: was a there was a period of time there that
14:50
Speaker 1: we were not not speaking to each other. Um, and
14:54
Speaker 1: you know, I think that a number of years went
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Speaker 1: by and I was just like I don't like, let
14:59
Speaker 1: bygones be I gons. We both went through this this
15:02
Speaker 1: crazy thing and like, you know, best of luck to
15:04
Speaker 1: you in life and congratulations on you know, your kids.
15:07
Speaker 1: And my sister and her st still talk and so
15:10
Speaker 1: you know, really yeah, yeah, yeah, there's no there's no
15:13
Speaker 1: ill will or resentment or anything anymore. And like yeah
15:15
Speaker 1: they're still they're still friendly and um, so yeah it's
15:18
Speaker 1: all good. That's awesome. That's cool. I think, uh, some
15:32
Speaker 1: some people carry that ill will for a long time.
15:36
Speaker 1: And you know, I mean people sometimes look at me
15:38
Speaker 1: like I'm crazy when I'm like, oh yeah, I still
15:40
Speaker 1: talk to Kelly Joe and Estella and like we we've
15:42
Speaker 1: had them both as guests on the show because it
15:45
Speaker 1: was just, you know, it was fun to have them
15:47
Speaker 1: on and catch up with them, and it was all
15:48
Speaker 1: stuff I actually already knew. But sometimes people be like,
15:51
Speaker 1: how did your wife feel about that? I'm like, my
15:53
Speaker 1: wife doesn't care. Yeah, I mean, it's like my wife.
15:57
Speaker 1: My wife won the proverbial, you know, it's the opposite
16:00
Speaker 1: of like being a lotto winner when you you know,
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Speaker 1: my wife basically end up married to me, so I
16:05
Speaker 1: feel so terrible for her. She's like, oh, they're the
16:07
Speaker 1: lucky ones that got away. Yeah, I'll talk to them now.
16:09
Speaker 1: I hold them in high regard. Oh man, ye, but yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's pretty cool. And I remember I remember, um,
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Speaker 1: you know, your season had some drama, which I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you know, became one of those things that you carried
16:24
Speaker 1: with you for a little while because you have to hear,
16:26
Speaker 1: you know, people who don't know you coming up to
16:29
Speaker 1: you on the street I'm sure and giving you their
16:31
Speaker 1: take on you know, what you just did, and you're like, yeah,
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Speaker 1: first of all, that was like seven months ago. A yeah, uh,
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Speaker 1: not exactly how it played out, but three thank you
16:42
Speaker 1: for your kind words. You know, I'm sure did you
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Speaker 1: have a lot of that after your season? Yeah? I did. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And there and there was drama, you know, the whole
16:51
Speaker 1: throughout throughout the season, and then even for for Courtingy
16:53
Speaker 1: and I, you know, in particular where we had like
16:56
Speaker 1: broken up and between like wall the show was airing,
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Speaker 1: and then like caught back together. So there was a
17:01
Speaker 1: period between where we were both technically single and it
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Speaker 1: was just there was Yeah, and then the paparazzi thing.
17:10
Speaker 1: I'll like, I'll never forget that being followed around in
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Speaker 1: San Francisco by paparazzi's and feeling like this is the
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Speaker 1: ickiest I've ever felt highlighted. Yeah, yeah, you felt like
17:19
Speaker 1: so paranoid. I remember feeling the same. I mean, it's
17:23
Speaker 1: just it's a weird feeling, you know, it's worst. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: And in that moment, I was like, I don't want
17:28
Speaker 1: to be famous anymore. I don't like, in order I
17:30
Speaker 1: ever want to be famous to begin with. I thought
17:31
Speaker 1: this is going to be like a really fun story.
17:34
Speaker 1: And I was a pretty naive I think to think that, like, oh,
17:37
Speaker 1: just they forget about me the next year, you know,
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Speaker 1: And that didn't really happen. So that was it was.
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Speaker 1: It was hard on me, It was hard on yeah.
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Speaker 1: Well and two it was you were I think right
17:47
Speaker 1: around the time that social media really started happening, you know,
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Speaker 1: for the Yeah Show, like Tris and I were before,
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Speaker 1: Like I think at best, there was maybe a my
17:55
Speaker 1: Space kicking around back then. But you know, we always
17:58
Speaker 1: talk about reading the chat room and you know, going
18:01
Speaker 1: down that rabbit hole and feeling depressed for months on end.
18:04
Speaker 1: But then you came along. You were you were a
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Speaker 1: good eight or nine years after us, so you would
18:08
Speaker 1: have been twenty and twelve or twenty yea. Yeah, so
18:11
Speaker 1: like Twitter was a thing, Instagram had just started, just started. Yeah,
18:17
Speaker 1: so you were definitely dealing with a lot of that.
18:19
Speaker 1: I mean, did you were you were you a fool
18:21
Speaker 1: like us? Did you occasionally actually read what people would
18:23
Speaker 1: post and then end up in manic depression for like
18:25
Speaker 1: a month? Well, not so much of the depression. I found.
18:30
Speaker 1: I found a lot of it to be quite quite hilarious.
18:32
Speaker 1: You know, there aren't a lot of good Yeah, you
18:37
Speaker 1: have you have to be able to laugh it off, right,
18:40
Speaker 1: you have to do otherwise, Um, you know, it probably
18:43
Speaker 1: doesn't end well for for people who are yeah, you know,
18:47
Speaker 1: thrown thrown to the wolves like that. But yeah, there
18:49
Speaker 1: there was like one meme in particular that I still
18:52
Speaker 1: think it's hilarious, and I actually showed my my girlfriend
18:56
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. It just came up. It
18:58
Speaker 1: was there's like a you know the cartoon Arthur, there's
19:01
Speaker 1: that cartoon character of Francine hair, and my hair was
19:06
Speaker 1: styled so poorly on that show, and it was like
19:08
Speaker 1: when like Ben looks like Francine or whatever it was,
19:11
Speaker 1: and it's just uncanning and hilarious. Look it up. I
19:16
Speaker 1: was gonna say, you know, so, one of the things
19:18
Speaker 1: that was said to me once on a talk show
19:19
Speaker 1: I remember. What I can't remember was this during your
19:21
Speaker 1: season was they were like, they popped up a picture
19:24
Speaker 1: of my hair from when I was the Bachelor, which somehow,
19:27
Speaker 1: I mean, I swear, as God is my witness, I've
19:30
Speaker 1: never had a perm but man, it sure looked like
19:32
Speaker 1: I'm this tiny tim And then they put me up
19:35
Speaker 1: next to you and they're like, these have got to
19:36
Speaker 1: be the two guys, two very sweet and nice guys
19:40
Speaker 1: with the two worst haircuts of any bachelor in the
19:43
Speaker 1: history of Bachelor. I was just getting roasted right next
19:45
Speaker 1: to you, and I'm like, I got the honest Ben's
19:47
Speaker 1: looks pretty good compared to fly. Oh man, there we go.
19:54
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's my gosh, Easton coming through with
19:57
Speaker 1: the meme that is um amazing. You just need the
20:04
Speaker 1: little barrettes like right here. Oh my god, what I
20:07
Speaker 1: wouldn't do to put some Bretts style that for him? Yeah?
20:12
Speaker 1: Where was Fatman with the hair styling back then? Why
20:15
Speaker 1: did we have with you? No, Gina, Gina did the
20:18
Speaker 1: hair makeup. Fetman's always on point with the style. I
20:22
Speaker 1: love Ky Fetman. I'm still telling every once in a
20:25
Speaker 1: while with him in LA and be like, hey, Carrie,
20:27
Speaker 1: how are you? Yeah as well, Yeah that's good. I'm glad.
20:32
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you had all that hook up to
20:34
Speaker 1: I mean because but we'll have to we'll have to
20:36
Speaker 1: get Gina on the show and ask her, you know
20:38
Speaker 1: why she forgot to style my hair? Actually that's just
20:40
Speaker 1: not needs to be on the show. And Carrie, well,
20:43
Speaker 1: we had carry did we call in? We tried to
20:45
Speaker 1: have him on, but we called Remember we called Do
20:49
Speaker 1: you remember something? I do remember I remember we did something.
20:52
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, Okay, I have a question for you guys,
20:55
Speaker 1: because Carrie Fetman. So, if Carrie Fetman liked you enough,
20:59
Speaker 1: and I don't know if that he did this at
21:00
Speaker 1: the time, but if he liked you as as a
21:02
Speaker 1: human being, he would send you home with the Bachelor
21:05
Speaker 1: Bachelor wardrobe. He didn't, he would keep it for the
21:09
Speaker 1: next season or what it was. I remember I showed
21:13
Speaker 1: up back in my house in San Francisco and there
21:14
Speaker 1: were like six suitcases on my front doorstep one day.
21:17
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, that's amazing for me. I had like
21:21
Speaker 1: three tough sitos. I'm like, what it was amazing too.
21:27
Speaker 1: I still have that I can say that, I can't
21:32
Speaker 1: say that I can promise you a couple of the
21:34
Speaker 1: sweaters I'm good with. But uh yeah, it's funny. No, Actually,
21:38
Speaker 1: Carrie was not my stylist, that's right. First season, so
21:44
Speaker 1: I think I might have told this story before I
21:47
Speaker 1: had a connection to Sachs. I ended up making a
21:50
Speaker 1: deal with sacksfith Avenue and got went shopping. This is
21:53
Speaker 1: my own thing, like, it had nothing to do with producers.
21:56
Speaker 1: So I get all this stuff and I'm all prepared
22:00
Speaker 1: and halfway through I'm going in my closet and I'm like, wait,
22:04
Speaker 1: where are my clothes? And they're like, oh, we've been
22:07
Speaker 1: selling them. What selling them? So they sold them. There's
22:12
Speaker 1: like these soap opera things where they sell clothes in LA.
22:16
Speaker 1: They sold my clothes. So I was the one who
22:19
Speaker 1: organized all of this stuff and I ended up keeping like,
22:23
Speaker 1: you know, a few of the form addresses and whatever.
22:26
Speaker 1: But they sold my clothes, not christ To be fair,
22:30
Speaker 1: they had to pay for your in Ryan's wedding somehow.
22:38
Speaker 1: I mean, the show couldn't have been making money. It
22:40
Speaker 1: only had thirty million. They weren't making any money. Actually Ryan,
22:44
Speaker 1: and Ryan just said what we should have done because
22:48
Speaker 1: he just heard about someone who did some kind of
22:50
Speaker 1: crazy deal. We should have said, well, it will take
22:54
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand dollars because Ben, I don't know if
22:56
Speaker 1: you know this, but we got paid a million dollars
22:58
Speaker 1: for the wedding, so they we did. We did, yes,
23:02
Speaker 1: thank you, but we were like, we should have gotten
23:05
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand and then said give us like fifty
23:09
Speaker 1: or one hundred thousand every year that the show stays on, right,
23:14
Speaker 1: and then we'd just consistently be bankrolled by the show. Like,
23:17
Speaker 1: I don't know why we didn't think about that, but yeah,
23:20
Speaker 1: that would have been a great insights twenty twenty. Yeah,
23:23
Speaker 1: sure is Yeah, I'm sure wouldn't have allowed that first. Yeah,
23:28
Speaker 1: it was generous back then. I don't think. Oh no,
23:31
Speaker 1: we got in a fight about this whole negotiation for
23:33
Speaker 1: the wedding. But you know, they ended up they ended
23:36
Speaker 1: up paying. They wanted it, you know, they wanted it,
23:38
Speaker 1: and they realized that it would be, you know, pretty much,
23:42
Speaker 1: um an, you know, a home run for them. It was.
23:45
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful, beautiful event, and I was proud
23:48
Speaker 1: and excited to be here. You're very thank you. I
23:50
Speaker 1: know it was fine. Um okay, So Ben, you mentioned
23:53
Speaker 1: a girlfriend. I would love to know the story behind
23:57
Speaker 1: your present love life if you're willing to go to share.
24:02
Speaker 1: I think I think, out of respect for her, I'm
24:05
Speaker 1: just going to decline. She's really really lovely. She's really
24:08
Speaker 1: really lovely, and um yeah, we've we've talked about this,
24:12
Speaker 1: you know, we've it's it's quite serious. Yeah, if I'm
24:15
Speaker 1: going to be like doing these kind of public engagements
24:18
Speaker 1: that like, she doesn't really want to be a part
24:20
Speaker 1: of it, and I don't really want her to totally that. Yeah, yeah,
24:25
Speaker 1: I will tell you. Yeah, I have to ask but questions.
24:29
Speaker 1: We're journalists now, but I will tell you we're Poduluss,
24:33
Speaker 1: We're Podolus. I will tell you my life's the same way.
24:35
Speaker 1: My wife has zero interest. Like to get her to
24:39
Speaker 1: even do a red carpet with me is a very
24:41
Speaker 1: big challenge. And yeah, so I mean we've done you know,
24:44
Speaker 1: I've done the Kentucky Derby eighteen years in a row. Now,
24:50
Speaker 1: no she comes, I mean the beginning that will send
24:56
Speaker 1: the pop the PEPs wagon. Um, but yeah, she she
25:01
Speaker 1: I remember you, you came one year, didn't you. Didn't you? Yeah?
25:05
Speaker 1: I thought, were you at the same event I was
25:07
Speaker 1: at that we meet at that event? I don't think
25:09
Speaker 1: so I was okay, yeah so um but yeah, so
25:15
Speaker 1: so we I've been going for eighteen This would be
25:17
Speaker 1: my eighteenth year. And she comes every year. But she
25:21
Speaker 1: like I can get her on the red carpet on
25:22
Speaker 1: Derby Day, but like at the gala, no interest. Right
25:26
Speaker 1: at the Oaks, she's like taking pictures with her phone
25:29
Speaker 1: or people walk up be like, oh can we get
25:31
Speaker 1: a picture with you? She's like, I'll take it for you,
25:32
Speaker 1: Like hey, you look at amazing, like she's always like here,
25:35
Speaker 1: you know you guys, you know, look at you and
25:36
Speaker 1: it's interesting. But my yeah, I think that's interesting because
25:39
Speaker 1: I happen to know that our our our dear friend, Ryan,
25:42
Speaker 1: Ryan Sutter is he's not camera shy, but he certainly
25:46
Speaker 1: isn't the guy that's run into a red carpet either.
25:50
Speaker 1: And um, you know, I mean I remember Tristan I
25:52
Speaker 1: actually doing a couple of red carpets together and Ryan's
25:54
Speaker 1: like out in the crowd, going, hey, I love you.
25:57
Speaker 1: But it was like Ryan doesn't. He just doesn't care,
25:59
Speaker 1: you know, and can't. My wife's like that And it
26:01
Speaker 1: sounds like your girlfriend's like that too. Maybe that's maybe
26:04
Speaker 1: that's the mix that's needed, you know a successful relationship.
26:07
Speaker 1: Sweet spot. Yeah, I mean, he just doesn't like it,
26:10
Speaker 1: and you have to respect that, you know, got to
26:12
Speaker 1: respect it. Yeah, whatever floats about, I think, um, And
26:16
Speaker 1: and that's great of you to respect her privacy? Did
26:19
Speaker 1: you can I ask if you guys met how you met?
26:23
Speaker 1: Was it like through friends or a dating app or
26:26
Speaker 1: we met locally? We met locally here in uh in Napa, Sonoma.
26:30
Speaker 1: So we're just got it. Yeah, we met locally. We're
26:37
Speaker 1: still sniffing around this thing, so to speak to that then,
26:42
Speaker 1: I mean, I've always been fascinated with this because you're
26:44
Speaker 1: much younger than me. Did you have you ever after
26:47
Speaker 1: the Bachelor experience? Did you ever go on a dating app?
26:50
Speaker 1: Were you ever a dating app guy? And if so,
26:53
Speaker 1: was it like ridiculous? Like I always thought, you know,
26:56
Speaker 1: oh my god, if you go on there after like
26:58
Speaker 1: something like The Bachelor, I'm sure it's almost like you
27:01
Speaker 1: you'd have to have like a filter on there because
27:03
Speaker 1: it would just be like a bunch of people who
27:05
Speaker 1: wanted to meet you for like almost like you know,
27:07
Speaker 1: they want to look at the freak in the zoo
27:08
Speaker 1: type of thing. Um, I wasn't share, you know, no
27:12
Speaker 1: date dating as you guys probably know, like dating was
27:14
Speaker 1: really really hard after the show because you never knew
27:19
Speaker 1: you don't even know what people's interests were, right where
27:21
Speaker 1: did they just like you said, did they just want
27:23
Speaker 1: to go out on the date with the Bachelor? Do
27:25
Speaker 1: they actually like want to get to know me as
27:26
Speaker 1: a as a human being? Um? I think I had
27:30
Speaker 1: a variety. Yes, I was on the dating apps, um,
27:33
Speaker 1: you know, on and off for you know, a decade, right, um,
27:37
Speaker 1: and then some some people will I think some people
27:41
Speaker 1: thought it was like a fake profile, like what's this guy? Actually,
27:43
Speaker 1: what's it doing here? Um? And others yeah, others. You know,
27:48
Speaker 1: I had some fairly successful relationships, you know, not long
27:52
Speaker 1: long term, but you know, yeah, it's it's it's it's
27:56
Speaker 1: the way to meet people these days. So yeah, I was,
27:58
Speaker 1: you know, overall good exerience on the dating apps, just
28:01
Speaker 1: because you can kind of like turn them off, turn
28:04
Speaker 1: them on. And I think the big thing that I
28:07
Speaker 1: realized was you can't. You can't like everyone, right, You
28:11
Speaker 1: just got to keep it to like a small to
28:13
Speaker 1: five people that you're chatting with, because then you get
28:16
Speaker 1: like the fatigue of all these conversations and then you
28:19
Speaker 1: just shut it off. You're like, oh, I'm done, right,
28:22
Speaker 1: But you've already you've already gone through the gamut of
28:25
Speaker 1: dating thirty people at once. You know, Yeah, we can
28:36
Speaker 1: say that to each other. We can say that to
28:38
Speaker 1: each other because we all did that. We can actually
28:40
Speaker 1: like each other. We can't, we can, but we can. Yeah.
28:45
Speaker 1: Oh people can mess with us the time, I know,
28:48
Speaker 1: I know. Um, okay, switching gears. So I heard that
28:51
Speaker 1: you wrote a children's book. Can you tell us about that?
28:54
Speaker 1: I did actually wrote a series of children's books, um,
28:59
Speaker 1: requires Yeah, yeah. Um. It's about this trio of flies
29:03
Speaker 1: that live at the airport and they travel around the world.
29:06
Speaker 1: They board commercial airliners and travel around the world teaching
29:09
Speaker 1: kids about um, you know, acceptance of other cultures and
29:12
Speaker 1: people and food and you know, fears of flying and
29:16
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That is so cool. Is it is
29:19
Speaker 1: this recent or a while ago? Um? I wrote the
29:23
Speaker 1: first book in like twenty twenty, and then the second
29:26
Speaker 1: and third and twenty one twenty two. Was this a
29:29
Speaker 1: COVID baby? This was a COVID baby for my niece. Yeah,
29:33
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I love it. What's it? What are
29:36
Speaker 1: they called? Frequent flyers? And it's get How do we
29:39
Speaker 1: get the frequent flyers? Where do we find these? They're
29:41
Speaker 1: all on Amazon. Yeah, it's all everything and Amazon everything.
29:47
Speaker 1: That's awesome. Um. Is it a picture book or is
29:49
Speaker 1: it a chapter book? Um? It's as both. I think
29:53
Speaker 1: it's a children's book, kind of trying to know the difference.
29:55
Speaker 1: It has pictures and word and there are different chapters,
30:00
Speaker 1: so the pictures and words, so I guess it's no.
30:08
Speaker 1: The the illustrator was actually an animator. I found he's
30:11
Speaker 1: um Parisian and um, so we've done some like animated.
30:16
Speaker 1: Did you say yeah, Paris Parisian? Oh, Parisian. I thought
30:21
Speaker 1: you said core Resian like Korea and I heard of that. Understood,
30:27
Speaker 1: got it? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, perfect. Yeah. All the books
30:30
Speaker 1: are dedicated to my my five year old niece, Josephine.
30:33
Speaker 1: That is very Yeah. How many niece do you have?
30:40
Speaker 1: One niece, Josephine named after my late father, Joseph. And
30:43
Speaker 1: then we have Grant, who's my nephew. And he's just
30:48
Speaker 1: he's like eighteen months and he's like the sweetest, biggest
30:51
Speaker 1: he's such a little tank. He's on the ninety let's see,
30:54
Speaker 1: he had his check up. My sister was talking my
30:56
Speaker 1: sister last week. Last week he's ninety nine percentile for
31:00
Speaker 1: eight and head size. Sweet, this little kid, it's gonna
31:05
Speaker 1: be like six seven, three hundred pounds offensive line. Yeah,
31:07
Speaker 1: a little meat ball. I like it. Yeah yeah yeah.
31:21
Speaker 1: So being close to your niece and nephew, does this
31:24
Speaker 1: satisfy like any urges to have children over your own?
31:28
Speaker 1: Do you want to have kids? Yeah? I think um?
31:33
Speaker 1: I was the children thing was was very much up
31:36
Speaker 1: in the air until this last relationship, and now I'm like,
31:40
Speaker 1: let's I would love to have children. Yeah, that's awesome
31:44
Speaker 1: when you know, you know, because I I will say
31:46
Speaker 1: I was forty eight when I had my first child.
31:49
Speaker 1: Took me a while. Yeah, yeah, but uh, both boys.
31:54
Speaker 1: You have two boys now four and one and a half,
31:57
Speaker 1: thank you. And the one and a half year old,
31:59
Speaker 1: much like you're a few is a is a meatball,
32:01
Speaker 1: a tank. I mean, he's he's a monster. He's yeah,
32:04
Speaker 1: he's just pushing my older son Grayson around all the time.
32:06
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my gosh, but um, but yeah, I
32:08
Speaker 1: think it's like one of those beautiful things in life
32:10
Speaker 1: when you all of a sudden feel like like I
32:12
Speaker 1: didn't think I wanted to be, you know, married again
32:15
Speaker 1: because I was divorced. I was like, oh, think I
32:16
Speaker 1: want to be married again. I don't, you know, I
32:18
Speaker 1: think like being single this is fine. And then I
32:20
Speaker 1: met someone who was like, I'd like to have a
32:22
Speaker 1: family with her. Yeah, that's a different feeling. It was
32:25
Speaker 1: totally different. Yeah, And all of a sudden that just
32:27
Speaker 1: took over, you know, and here we are, So I think,
32:30
Speaker 1: you know, that's pretty that's a really cool thing to
32:32
Speaker 1: come to in life, especially, I think a little a
32:35
Speaker 1: little more mature, you know, not that you're old, because
32:38
Speaker 1: I mean I'm I'm old, but you know, I think
32:41
Speaker 1: you're a little old. Yeah, you're in your forties. Whereas
32:44
Speaker 1: that god that was unheard of to get married in
32:45
Speaker 1: your forties back in the day, right, it was in
32:47
Speaker 1: your twenties, or you don't do it. So I think
32:49
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Congratulations on on just the the willingness
32:54
Speaker 1: to be open to the idea. Yes, yeah, right it is.
32:56
Speaker 1: And congrets to you for for finding it right. It's
32:59
Speaker 1: that's it's actually after coming out of a serious relationship
33:02
Speaker 1: and a marriage, right like that. Yeah, that's probably even harder.
33:05
Speaker 1: So I'm good at And like your two boys. Your
33:07
Speaker 1: two boys are they like the light of your life? Right?
33:10
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I didn't even know. I mean, it's
33:12
Speaker 1: kind of funny because Trista, you know, Trista and Ryan
33:14
Speaker 1: did it right, you know what I mean, Like they
33:16
Speaker 1: their kids aren't right, we did it differently. You did.
33:19
Speaker 1: Definitely their kids are. You know, they're gonna be their
33:21
Speaker 1: best friends because they're closer in age, and my kids
33:24
Speaker 1: are gonna be looking at like Grandpa, Grandpa. Dad's nice,
33:26
Speaker 1: you know, but but I will say, like, I am
33:28
Speaker 1: so in love with them and it has changed my life.
33:31
Speaker 1: And I think that's one of the things, like when
33:32
Speaker 1: you are older, you might have a different appreciation h
33:36
Speaker 1: than than you would have as a younger father. Not
33:39
Speaker 1: saying that the appreciation isn't there for the younger dads too,
33:42
Speaker 1: but it's just different, right, It's different because of your
33:44
Speaker 1: experience level and you're not at that point where you
33:45
Speaker 1: want to go out all the time and you feel
33:47
Speaker 1: like your kids are robbing. You have something like I'm like, man,
33:49
Speaker 1: my whole life been a bachelor party. I don't need
33:51
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I'm good, dude, I'm the same. I'm
33:53
Speaker 1: the same way. Everyone's like, well, things are going great,
33:55
Speaker 1: where's the bachelor party. I'm like, honestly, dude, I don't
33:57
Speaker 1: think I'm doing one. I've done like four hundred and
34:00
Speaker 1: every weekend was like a bachelor party. So like, yeah,
34:02
Speaker 1: I'm not good. I'm good. Let's just go golfing. I
34:08
Speaker 1: love it. I mean, kids are are the light of
34:12
Speaker 1: my life, for sure. Our kids are kind of my
34:14
Speaker 1: whole world. So however they know but they're Oh my god,
34:18
Speaker 1: I keep saying thirteen. She just turned fourteen, and so
34:21
Speaker 1: Blakesley is my daughter fourteen, and then fifteen is Max
34:24
Speaker 1: and he'll be sixteen. And was just driving me home
34:28
Speaker 1: from the dentist deppointment. I was like, you want to
34:29
Speaker 1: drive on sority it buckle up, momule up, not buddy.
34:40
Speaker 1: Um No, it's a it's a whole new world, you know,
34:43
Speaker 1: the teenage years. But yeah, there is there is some
34:47
Speaker 1: truth to I feel like being younger, but I also
34:52
Speaker 1: feel like it just depends on the relationship. It just
34:54
Speaker 1: depends on the person. You can be your boy's best friend, Bob.
34:57
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think that won't happen. My son
35:00
Speaker 1: tells me every day that I am so that makes
35:02
Speaker 1: me feel like a million dollars. Oh my gosh. You
35:04
Speaker 1: have to record that. I know literally that I laid
35:08
Speaker 1: out with him every night and he's like, Daddy, you're
35:10
Speaker 1: my best friend. And I'm like, a bas has recently
35:16
Speaker 1: said that to me. Um And I literally wrote it
35:21
Speaker 1: in like the notes on my phone, like what she
35:23
Speaker 1: exactly said, and she was like, of all my friends,
35:27
Speaker 1: you're my best friend. It was like, oh my gosh, anyway.
35:37
Speaker 1: So I think that you know, it just depends on
35:40
Speaker 1: the person um, and I think that's really cool. I'm
35:43
Speaker 1: really happy for you. Thank you. You get to a
35:46
Speaker 1: certain point in life and it's like I think, Bob,
35:49
Speaker 1: like as a long time you know bachelor, It's like,
35:52
Speaker 1: what the hell's the point, right if you can't just
35:54
Speaker 1: like keep going out every weekend and you know, doing
35:57
Speaker 1: the same old right, like exact point and you look it.
36:00
Speaker 1: You know, my my sister's children changed changed my life
36:03
Speaker 1: and perception of it all today. Yeah oh yeah, yeah,
36:07
Speaker 1: yeah big time. And my mom's too, right, So my
36:09
Speaker 1: dad passed away a number of years ago, and my
36:11
Speaker 1: mom has she's been on her own for the most part.
36:14
Speaker 1: And you know, now Josephine's her best friend and like
36:17
Speaker 1: they just go gallivanting and biking through Sonoma and you know,
36:21
Speaker 1: they just they have the best little relationship. It's great.
36:23
Speaker 1: It's great to see a change. Does your mom pressure
36:27
Speaker 1: you at all? Never? She never she never did, never had.
36:30
Speaker 1: She's just like very happy for me now. So yeah, yeah,
36:34
Speaker 1: that's so good. Yes, I love man, Ben, this is good.
36:38
Speaker 1: I'm so glad we got to thank you and thanks
36:40
Speaker 1: for being willing to come on the show and talk
36:43
Speaker 1: to us about you know, where you are today and
36:45
Speaker 1: everything else. And I would encourage everyone to get on
36:47
Speaker 1: Amazon and look for frequent flyers because I know I'm
36:50
Speaker 1: going to do it. Yes, great, you're welcome. Yeah, thank
36:55
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Good luck with all
36:59
Speaker 1: these big decisions coming up in your near future, the production,
37:03
Speaker 1: the television stuff, the relationship, all of it. So um,
37:07
Speaker 1: we don't just wish you all the best. Yeah, thank you,
37:11
Speaker 1: Ben Planic got all right. Yeah, he's an almost famous
37:16
Speaker 1: ogina you making note? Did you write it down? And
37:18
Speaker 1: then you're like, I'm like, don't say it with the
37:21
Speaker 1: tildy on the end like I did the first time.
37:23
Speaker 1: If you guys are ever up in Sonoma too, you know,
37:26
Speaker 1: please please look me up. You know, I've still got
37:28
Speaker 1: a small little wine wine thing going on. And he goes,
37:32
Speaker 1: you know who doesn't love wine tasting. So I'll take
37:34
Speaker 1: care of you guys. Yeah, we'll make sure we get
37:36
Speaker 1: your number and I'll text you my digit so you
37:39
Speaker 1: have them too. And um, you know, if you're ever
37:41
Speaker 1: swinging through Detroit, which so many people it is a destination,
37:44
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, really on a hot list for people
37:47
Speaker 1: on this travel season. So when you're rolling through the
37:50
Speaker 1: motor city, you know, holler at me, and I know
37:53
Speaker 1: I would say the same about Bill. But um, and
37:56
Speaker 1: I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast,
37:57
Speaker 1: but we're moving. So yeah, wait to Denver. H Oh
38:03
Speaker 1: my god, that's awesome. That's another episode for the other time. Yeah, totally.
38:10
Speaker 1: My husband's firefighters. Yeah, and he's been working for Denver
38:14
Speaker 1: for the last two three years and the commune is
38:18
Speaker 1: just killing him because it's two hours back and forth.
38:20
Speaker 1: So um, so we are going to make the move crazy.
38:24
Speaker 1: That's exciting. I'm excited for you guys. I think that's great.
38:28
Speaker 1: And you can you know, who knows, maybe you can
38:30
Speaker 1: keep the place in veil rent it out in the
38:32
Speaker 1: off season. Yeah. Well, Ben, thank you buddy, take care
38:36
Speaker 1: and best wishes with everything. Thank you appreciate it. Likewise,
38:40
Speaker 1: Ben Flannic, everybody, I really like that guy. Yeah, that
38:45
Speaker 1: was awesome and I'm happy for him. I'm so happy
38:47
Speaker 1: that he is finally. And I do have to say,
38:50
Speaker 1: even though I have to ask the question because everyone
38:52
Speaker 1: wants to know, like arguing in a relationship, Yeah, we
38:56
Speaker 1: have to ask, but I really love that he respects
39:00
Speaker 1: did her privacy and doesn't want to share the details.
39:02
Speaker 1: I think that's great. That is great. I mean, you know,
39:05
Speaker 1: it's funny. I I in my mind, I was gonna
39:07
Speaker 1: remind myself, and I just now thought of it after
39:10
Speaker 1: we hang up the phone with them. But I don't
39:12
Speaker 1: know if you remember, but at the time, the tablaid's
39:14
Speaker 1: got a hold of something about him and Chris Jenner.
39:17
Speaker 1: Do you remember that? What? Yeah, and it was they
39:20
Speaker 1: were friends, but they were friends, that was it. And
39:24
Speaker 1: the tablids you're trying to put a spin on it.
39:25
Speaker 1: And I remember because I was friends with Chris Jenner too,
39:28
Speaker 1: and I saw her at something and I said, yeah,
39:32
Speaker 1: the tablaids are having a field day with poor bachelor Ben.
39:35
Speaker 1: And she's like, She's like, I know, you can't even
39:37
Speaker 1: be friends with anybody these days. And Chris Jenner, you know,
39:40
Speaker 1: people think whatever they want to about her, but she's
39:42
Speaker 1: a lovely person. And I was always like, yeah, I'm like, man,
39:46
Speaker 1: we gotta we gotta throw them off the sect. You know,
39:47
Speaker 1: I'll jump back in and you know, we'll go grab
39:49
Speaker 1: breakfast or somewhat something somewhere and we'll get them off
39:52
Speaker 1: the set and we were just laughing about it because
39:55
Speaker 1: it was one of those things that you know, she
39:57
Speaker 1: she even said, She's like, oh my god, I mean
40:00
Speaker 1: I would love him to date one of my daughters.
40:02
Speaker 1: That would be He's such a wonderful she was. She's like,
40:06
Speaker 1: I would have loved that. You know, I loved having him.
40:09
Speaker 1: I will say, you know, I was a little critical
40:14
Speaker 1: of the of the show, the whole like I'm not
40:18
Speaker 1: here to make friends thing that you know, Courtney went with,
40:23
Speaker 1: and there were some very not nice things that came
40:26
Speaker 1: out of her mouth in regard to other people. So
40:29
Speaker 1: I was a little critical. And I think after that, um,
40:33
Speaker 1: you know, her book came out and she kind of
40:37
Speaker 1: raamed me a little bit, and I reached out to
40:39
Speaker 1: her and just said, I'm sorry if I, you know,
40:43
Speaker 1: hurt your feelings. I was just commenting on the fact
40:45
Speaker 1: that I didn't, you know, I didn't think that what
40:48
Speaker 1: was being said was very kind and yeah, so I
40:52
Speaker 1: was a little critical of that show. And I feel
40:54
Speaker 1: like that show Ben's season was the show that kind
40:59
Speaker 1: of turned things for me, where nowadays I feel like
41:04
Speaker 1: I can't a hundred percent. I try to be as
41:06
Speaker 1: honest as I can, but because I don't want I
41:10
Speaker 1: don't want to like inflict the same kind of hurt
41:13
Speaker 1: feelings that I feel like other people on the show.
41:15
Speaker 1: Like if I'm commenting about someone being rude or mean
41:18
Speaker 1: or whatever, I don't want them to take it personally
41:21
Speaker 1: in them to have hurt feelings. So I feel like
41:23
Speaker 1: it's kind of this odd space where I want to
41:26
Speaker 1: be honest, but at the same time, I don't want to,
41:29
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to be honest if it's
41:31
Speaker 1: going to hurt someone's feelings. So no, I get it.
41:33
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think I've I get it
41:37
Speaker 1: because I mean what you say, I'm sure carries a
41:39
Speaker 1: lot more weight too, because you know, you were the
41:42
Speaker 1: true og of the whole thing, you know, and so
41:45
Speaker 1: from that perspective, I think that, you know, if you're
41:47
Speaker 1: critical of someone who is on the show, it might
41:49
Speaker 1: come off differently than if you know, if I am.
41:52
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, I think, you know, from
41:53
Speaker 1: that personative, because you're revered, you know, I think I was.
41:57
Speaker 1: I was really well liked from the show, which was great,
41:59
Speaker 1: but obviously I didn't end up, you know, with a
42:01
Speaker 1: successful relationship in the desired format from the show. Yeah,
42:07
Speaker 1: I think, you know, from that perspective, probably things I
42:10
Speaker 1: say are a little more I could be a little
42:11
Speaker 1: more flippant or a little more offhand, and it just
42:14
Speaker 1: kind of goes away, whereas you might say something and
42:16
Speaker 1: it sticks, you know what I mean. Yeah, I think
42:18
Speaker 1: that was her point. That was her point, Like you know,
42:22
Speaker 1: she was like, well whatever, you know whatever she said.
42:25
Speaker 1: I just I feel like I'm extra cautious now. Yeah.
42:29
Speaker 1: Good for you for reaching out too, though, and and
42:31
Speaker 1: you know, smoothing it over. I think that takes. It
42:34
Speaker 1: takes a lot of intestinal fortitude and you've always had it.
42:37
Speaker 1: So I love that. Good. Thank you, thank you, well, awesome,
42:41
Speaker 1: thanks everybody for listening. And I want to say, um,
42:45
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we say this every time,
42:47
Speaker 1: but you know, wherever you're listening to your podcast, we
42:49
Speaker 1: would love your comments, your ratings, the five stars or
42:54
Speaker 1: whatever it is these days, Yes, would be great. So
42:57
Speaker 1: thank you, know I was going to say to actually
42:59
Speaker 1: to that point, I actually got a message which I
43:01
Speaker 1: thought was really sweet from one of our listeners, and
43:06
Speaker 1: she I mean, I get a lot of them, but
43:09
Speaker 1: for some reason, this one really resonated with me. And
43:13
Speaker 1: I won't say her name on the air, but she
43:15
Speaker 1: basically said to the fact, she's a huge fan of
43:18
Speaker 1: the show. She's always you know, loving listening in so
43:21
Speaker 1: many things to learn. Then she mentioned, I also have
43:24
Speaker 1: cereal for dinner sometimes, and I don't need to make
43:26
Speaker 1: dinner from my husband, which was something you said. Ed
43:28
Speaker 1: her two daughters and in particular working with it with
43:32
Speaker 1: Jason and Molly, with them working together, she had some
43:35
Speaker 1: great advice. She was like, you know, wherever they go,
43:38
Speaker 1: since they're in business together, wherever they go together, they're
43:40
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about their business. That was their
43:42
Speaker 1: only rule that they could do it at home, but
43:45
Speaker 1: when they're not at the office, they weren't allowed to
43:46
Speaker 1: talk about it. So, you know, it's funny because Kenyon
43:49
Speaker 1: and I do that about the boys. You know, our
43:51
Speaker 1: mindset is, you know, if we need some time alone
43:54
Speaker 1: to talk about the boys, we'll do it in the house.
43:55
Speaker 1: But if it's our you know, we don't get a
43:58
Speaker 1: date night every week, to be honest, we haven't been
44:00
Speaker 1: able to prioritize that yet. Yeah, but when we do
44:04
Speaker 1: have one, we're like, let's not talk about the boys
44:06
Speaker 1: at dinner tonight. Let's talk about us. Let's talk about
44:08
Speaker 1: fun things that have happened we haven't gotten to share
44:10
Speaker 1: with each other. And I thought it was really nice.
44:12
Speaker 1: She actually said that they would go into their furnace
44:14
Speaker 1: room at their home and they would talk about work
44:17
Speaker 1: in there, but once they stepped out of it, then
44:19
Speaker 1: they you know, then they were they weren't allowed to
44:21
Speaker 1: talk about it anywhere. Yeah, so you know, I'm gonna
44:24
Speaker 1: modify our furnace room and you know, put some loungers
44:27
Speaker 1: in there maybe, Yeah, you know, aase, can I let
44:31
Speaker 1: you know that you have the movie room? I think
44:32
Speaker 1: you could use that. That's a valid point, you know,
44:35
Speaker 1: if I could get in there without watching cars or Mowanna,
44:39
Speaker 1: you know, honest to God, I swear I could. I
44:42
Speaker 1: could sit there and say I sing all those songs
44:44
Speaker 1: more than like Moana, you know. So anyway, all right, Well,
44:51
Speaker 1: great seeing you as always, Trista Sutter, Nate r. And
44:55
Speaker 1: thank you to Ben Flannic and everybody for listening. Thank you.
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