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Aleksander Czeszkiewicz-Lost Civilizations and Forgotten Knowledge · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Jen, and we got Benny joining
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  Speaker 4: us today again. What is going on?
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  Speaker 3: Sir?
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  Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to have you.
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  Speaker 7: Hey, everybody, thanks for having me on Hello Other Rejects,
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  Speaker 4: So well, thank you very much. Minute and I always
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  Speaker 4: appreciate you joining us. And last but not least, we
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  Speaker 4: got Tyrone, what is going on my.
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  Speaker 8: Mat It was going on everybody, So what's up alex Man.
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  Speaker 8: It's been a minute since we talked. Definitely excited to
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  Speaker 8: talk to you again. Of course we talked on my
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  Speaker 8: show before. On your book. I love your book, great book.
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  Speaker 8: Always recommend every thanks, thanks, I appreciate it. Everything that
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  Speaker 8: you can find me on is on my website, rebirth
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  Speaker 8: at theWord dot com. Thanks for having me on, Nick,
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  Speaker 8: because alex is man, He's.
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  Speaker 2: Recommends I can highly recommend.
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  Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you, Tyrone. And finally to the man himself, Alexander,
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  Speaker 4: please h not even going to try to pronounce your
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  Speaker 4: last name, So I guess let everybody know. Let everybody
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  Speaker 4: know what you're dealing and what you're about, and where
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  Speaker 4: they can find your book or books.
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  Speaker 2: My book in English is available on Amazon. It's today.
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  Speaker 9: Ja Vi has everything already dibbin and I think if
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  Speaker 9: you just copy paste my name and surname, you will
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  Speaker 9: and you can find me on many social media jazz
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  Speaker 9: as I mentioned, copy paste my name and surname and
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  Speaker 9: you will for sure find me.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome. Thank you very much, Alexander. At first, I would
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  Speaker 4: also like to thank Mike and Dave, especially Dave. He
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  Speaker 4: hoped put us together. So that's what's up. Appreciate that, sir.
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  Speaker 4: One of the things I guess is before we even
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  Speaker 4: kind of get into your stuff. Not take guess to
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  Speaker 4: get too personal with you right away, but I do
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  Speaker 4: know from the things I have read, you kind of
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  Speaker 4: got into this at a young age, like around I
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  Speaker 4: think it said seventeen. There's a great number. How did that?
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  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna be honest, How does that happen? Like
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  Speaker 4: with it influence from family, friends, school, something on like TV?
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  Speaker 4: How does somebody get into the esoteric or even stuff
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  Speaker 4: like atlantisk correct? At age sirventeen. How did that happen?
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  Speaker 9: I mean yes, I would say it was heavily influenced,
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  Speaker 9: not maybe by school itself, but by study not only
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  Speaker 9: for school, but also for plenty of competitions.
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  Speaker 2: And at one point during.
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  Speaker 9: My middle high school, I was at the point that
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  Speaker 9: there were problems with choosing high school because of the
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  Speaker 9: governmental reforms of some kind.
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  Speaker 2: It was much.
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  Speaker 9: Harder than before to go to a good high school.
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  Speaker 9: So in order to be safe, I went on many competitions,
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  Speaker 9: including historical one, and it was the historical one that
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  Speaker 9: led me to all of this research. And then, as
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  Speaker 9: you mentioned, writing my book at the age of seventeen.
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  Speaker 2: So I wrote it at seventeen. Then I ended to.
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  Speaker 9: Wait until eighteen years old to publish it. Published then
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  Speaker 9: at eighteen in Poland, and then the next year, at nineteen,
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  Speaker 9: I translated it myself to English.
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  Speaker 2: So this was the journey.
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  Speaker 9: And it started because for that kind of competition.
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  Speaker 2: I needed to learn.
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  Speaker 9: I would say all of the history. Maybe, of course,
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  Speaker 9: not all all. I don't want to brag, but I
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  Speaker 9: would say the whole picture of how our history is
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  Speaker 9: accepted by academias, So from all the even before history prehistory,
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  Speaker 9: how minutes, all the evolution up until let's say our species,
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  Speaker 9: then through cavemen into first settlements and first city civilizations
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  Speaker 9: and so on and so.
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  Speaker 2: On up until modern times.
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  Speaker 9: And I think that because of that that I acquired
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  Speaker 9: this holistic picture. I started questioning things, is it really
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  Speaker 9: all we know about their history? Why it couldn't turn
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  Speaker 9: out to be different way? How do we know that
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  Speaker 9: everything was just as it is portrayed in textbooks and
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  Speaker 9: academic books and so on. So I started digging deeper
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  Speaker 9: and deeper. First, as I mentioned, from let's say a
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  Speaker 9: materialistic point of view, I was very heavily into science,
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  Speaker 9: all kinds of science, from biology, physics of course, also
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  Speaker 9: into history and stuff like that. And then at some
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  Speaker 9: point I went even beyond the materialistic part in matteristic
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  Speaker 9: science and went into alternative history, and then into spirituality
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  Speaker 9: and everything that is non physical. And I would say that,
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  Speaker 9: you know, it was a very fun now looking at it,
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  Speaker 9: because I would say that I have two power paths
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  Speaker 9: going on at the same time when I started this research.
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  Speaker 9: At one point I was so invested into research. I
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  Speaker 9: was reading books, you know, like crazy, These are all
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  Speaker 9: real and I have plenty of more in my room
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  Speaker 9: and read throughout these years.
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  Speaker 2: And on one point this.
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  Speaker 9: Was like two hands, two paths, and these were all together,
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  Speaker 9: like during one point in my life and I was
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  Speaker 9: heavily researching. I would say this was the masculine part,
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  Speaker 9: like heavily research research and you know, get this knowledge.
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  Speaker 2: And at the.
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  Speaker 9: Same time I would say I had spiritual awakening or
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  Speaker 9: something like that, because before that, I would say I
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  Speaker 9: was maybe an atheist or agnostic, something in this kind
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  Speaker 9: not heavy dog, no, there is nothing beyond physical and
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  Speaker 9: something no, but a little bit skeptical. And I would
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  Speaker 9: say that partor to the research stuff I started having,
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  Speaker 9: like this was the masculine part, the research, and the
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  Speaker 9: feminine part was all the internal things. And you know
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  Speaker 9: plenty of spiritual experiences, dreams that came to be a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit prophetic and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 9: So yeah, it was equal experience, as I mentioned, was
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  Speaker 9: somewhere between. I would say fifteen sixteen, maybe fourteen. It
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  Speaker 9: started at fourteen years old, and it led to me
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  Speaker 9: writing my book.
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  Speaker 2: And you know it isn't just you know, a book
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  Speaker 2: written by a seventeen year old. No, it's like.
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  Speaker 9: Four one hundred and fifty pages in English and about
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  Speaker 9: four hundred in Polish in my of course native language.
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  Speaker 2: And here I see tire showing this.
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  Speaker 9: Book too, and yes, it led me to all of this,
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  Speaker 9: and I continue this journey heavily, heavily and going into
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  Speaker 9: more and more discoveries about not only the history as
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  Speaker 9: I started with history, but also about the entire universe
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  Speaker 9: and maybe even beyond, of course the physical boundaries of
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  Speaker 9: the universe.
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  Speaker 4: What I guess, I guess maybe to go forward easiest
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  Speaker 4: way to go. Well, first off, well, obviously, I mean
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  Speaker 4: I'm assuming you're from Poland, yes, yes, okay, all right,
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  Speaker 4: all right, so yeah, because I was just getting an
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  Speaker 4: idea of like, you know, you had to do these
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  Speaker 4: studies for a certain thing. Yeah, I'm just wondering probably
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  Speaker 4: a little different than what the United States would expect
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  Speaker 4: you to do. I guess going forward, when you started
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  Speaker 4: doing this, when you were studying this stuff for whatever reason,
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  Speaker 4: was there like a moment where you thought, not like
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  Speaker 4: so much of an hour, but I guess, or maybe
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  Speaker 4: an a moment something that convinced you was like, wait,
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  Speaker 4: there's something weird here, or something didn't seem to add up,
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  Speaker 4: or things seemed like different than what you thought that
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  Speaker 4: got you into writing this book.
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  Speaker 9: I guess I think maybe it was not of this
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  Speaker 9: kind as you described it, But I would say it
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  Speaker 9: was a little bit to me coming from just being
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  Speaker 9: a casual guy, you know, child at this moment, like
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  Speaker 9: fourteen fifteen, I was still a child, I need to
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  Speaker 9: say that.
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  Speaker 2: So I had a really.
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  Speaker 9: Open mind and when you know, I needed to learn
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  Speaker 9: this this. I was passionate about learning and reading all
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  Speaker 9: of this, but I was from, you know, just being
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  Speaker 9: It's a little bit childish thought, but I think we
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  Speaker 9: need it in all areas of our life to just be,
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  Speaker 9: you know, childlike, to have childlike curiosity and you know, think, oh,
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  Speaker 9: maybe just thinking what if our ancient past didn't turn
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  Speaker 9: out to be this way just as they described? How
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  Speaker 9: do we know that you know everything that is this
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  Speaker 9: described in these textbooks, like oh, these were the first settlements,
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  Speaker 9: this were the first civilizations?
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  Speaker 2: Is true?
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  Speaker 9: What if it is not true? How do we know
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  Speaker 9: about all of this? How do we know that this
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  Speaker 9: version of the history is true. At the same time,
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  Speaker 9: just a side note, I was also into philosophy of
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  Speaker 9: science methodology, so I can later speak about all of
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  Speaker 9: that because it's very very complex and verver misunderstood nowadays.
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  Speaker 2: But I would say it was a childlike.
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  Speaker 9: Curiosity and you know, thinking, oh, just asking you know,
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  Speaker 9: simple questions, what if ancient humor was in the first
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  Speaker 9: or what if these kind of settlements were in the
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  Speaker 9: first or oh I learned that biology that genetically speaking,
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  Speaker 9: anatomically modern humans existed for about two hundred thousand years
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  Speaker 9: at that time, but nowadays even it is taken back
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  Speaker 9: four hundred thousand years. So I was just asking questions,
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  Speaker 9: why first civilizations started five thousand years ago and here
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  Speaker 9: we've got two hundred or more thousand years of anatomically
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  Speaker 9: modern humans. So what was what was going on there
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  Speaker 9: doing all of this like ninety five percent of the
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  Speaker 9: timeline of our species. Is it lost or we were
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  Speaker 9: just primitive? I was just asking these questions and trying
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  Speaker 9: to search, and when there weren't any answers in these
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  Speaker 9: sources or in the academia, I started searching. I've seen okay,
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  Speaker 9: but most of our ancient answers stores whether famous Plato's
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  Speaker 9: Atlantis or whether ancient Egyptians, ancient Sumerians, ancient Indians, all
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  Speaker 9: of these verst civilizations, like I mentioned, thought that they
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  Speaker 9: weren't the.
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  Speaker 2: First, or that they were much older.
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  Speaker 9: So maybe some of the answers to my questions of
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  Speaker 9: what if it is all much older, what if it
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  Speaker 9: wasn't like that, may lie in these ancient texts. And
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  Speaker 9: that's how I went first into the rood of those
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  Speaker 9: alternative texts, sources that are very often omitted because.
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  Speaker 2: They are mythical or folk or.
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  Speaker 9: And stuff and legendary, of course, and then from that
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  Speaker 9: I also went into metaphysics, spirituality and so on. So
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  Speaker 9: I wouldn't say it was like a ham moment that
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  Speaker 9: something isn't right, but more just it started from a
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  Speaker 9: curiosity what if it.
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  Speaker 2: Isn't like that?
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  Speaker 9: And how do you all who wrote these textbooks, and
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  Speaker 9: how you all who are proponents of these theories know
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  Speaker 9: that these are true? But what if not? What if
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  Speaker 9: there was a previous civilization? What if there is something new?
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  Speaker 9: That's why I actually started my book not from a
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  Speaker 9: historical analysis, but from looking at a modern civilization and
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  Speaker 9: how quickly would it decay if there was some kind
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  Speaker 9: of a catastrophe, or if just humanity was wiped out
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  Speaker 9: and everything was left abandoned. I started with that just
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  Speaker 9: you know, with normal you know questions.
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  Speaker 2: And trying to find the answers.
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  Speaker 9: And when I tried to found the answers, I found
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  Speaker 9: out that the entire story may be completely different than
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  Speaker 9: it's portrayed in the official main extreme narrative.
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  Speaker 4: What was it that brought you to Atlantis? Is that Plato?
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  Speaker 9: I think what brought me into Atlantis, and I think
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  Speaker 9: it was an initial Plata was this question, you know,
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  Speaker 9: what if there was something before these first civilizations? And
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  Speaker 9: I would say that the first one, because prior to
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  Speaker 9: that I was very heavily interested in DNA, genetics, biology.
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  Speaker 9: The first thing was this, like at least two hundred
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  Speaker 9: thousand years of anatomically modern humans. I've seen some theories that, okay,
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  Speaker 9: maybe it's a little bit less, a little bit more,
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  Speaker 9: but genetically, you know, almost the same species as as today.
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  Speaker 9: Of course, everything is changing constantly, even our bodies are
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  Speaker 9: changing for the generations from each you know, person, from
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  Speaker 9: each father to each son. However, I thought that you know,
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  Speaker 9: genetically almost the same. And also this thing that led
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  Speaker 9: to the beginning of our species was also I would
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  Speaker 9: say a miracle, because it was so improbable to occur that,
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  Speaker 9: you know, how did it occur? So this was the
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  Speaker 9: first and then I started searching the sources, not initially
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  Speaker 9: Plato's Atlantis, but I was starting searching these sources.
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  Speaker 2: The sources.
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  Speaker 9: I thought to myself that, you know, ancient ancestories, whether
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  Speaker 9: from Egypt, Summer or other civilizations, were much closer to
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  Speaker 9: those prehistoric times that we are today, so maybe they
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  Speaker 9: knew something that we nowadays do not know. And I
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  Speaker 9: thought to myself, Okay, everything is decaying, so maybe plenty
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  Speaker 9: of stuff were lost. And then apart from sources from
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  Speaker 9: these first civilizations like the musical kings lists from Egypt
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  Speaker 9: and the famous Sumerian wines, then I came into Plato
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  Speaker 9: and his tale of Atlantis, that was at that time
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  Speaker 9: completely i would say forgotten, because this trend of lost civilizations,
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  Speaker 9: I wouldn't say was popular in Poland at that time.
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  Speaker 9: And I was like, okay, there is something more and
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  Speaker 9: more going on, and I was searching and searching for
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  Speaker 9: other their sources of lots civilizations just like Atlantis, like
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  Speaker 9: famous mul and Mouria, or either some local folk about
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  Speaker 9: that there was something before that, or if al Klo
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  Speaker 9: concerning cataclysmic events like the Great Flood, and that's how
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  Speaker 9: it initially started.
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  Speaker 4: Does anybody have any questions for him? Before keep going?
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  Speaker 6: Sure, I'll ask a quick question.
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  Speaker 4: I caught you.
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  Speaker 6: Alexander on Igo is really impressed because simply because this
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  Speaker 6: is something that we play with, especially from Nick's influence
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  Speaker 6: on the show, is that, like a lot of what
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  Speaker 6: is described in these older ancient texts are actually experiences
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  Speaker 6: of consciousness or maybe magical experiences. And you kind of
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  Speaker 6: said that the same similar thing, at least like the
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  Speaker 6: ideas that exactly we don't have to hold on to
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  Speaker 6: that we was caring mythologies and we can just you know,
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  Speaker 6: forge our own sort of like experiences with the same tax.
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  Speaker 9: So would you say, sorry, yes, continue.
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  Speaker 6: I just meant that, how would you describe what you believe?
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  Speaker 2: What I believe?
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  Speaker 9: I would say from the beginnings, I from all of
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  Speaker 9: my personal experiences and my research that I mentioned, I
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  Speaker 9: would say that there is something, of course beyond the
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  Speaker 9: physical realm.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know what is.
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  Speaker 9: Exactly that, but I deeply believe that there is something
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  Speaker 9: beyond the physical realm. And I think that our consciousness
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  Speaker 9: or consciousness is just like a modern trending name something
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  Speaker 9: in us some people may call it self spirit, maybe
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  Speaker 9: there is a whole science to describing these particular things
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  Speaker 9: inside us. I think that there is something beyond physical
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  Speaker 9: in us that may survive our death or maybe before
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  Speaker 9: our life. I do not say that everything about our
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  Speaker 9: incorredation and stuff like that is true, but I think
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  Speaker 9: that there is something beyond us, and I think that
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  Speaker 9: it manifests here in physical realm. And I also did
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  Speaker 9: a little bit of research about how you know events,
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  Speaker 9: how history can be actually aligned and can be a
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  Speaker 9: manifestation of something above the physical realm, and how just
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  Speaker 9: by calculating, for instance, the cycles of time and cycles
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  Speaker 9: in history, we can show that, okay, there is something
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  Speaker 9: more than just randomness as portrayed by biology and modern scientism,
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  Speaker 9: that okay, we are just a materialism of course, that
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  Speaker 9: we are just biological machines. So I do not believe
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  Speaker 9: in that. I wouldn't say I'm of a particular faith.
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  Speaker 9: I do not support a particular faith.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: But I think that.
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: There are some golden nuggets and plenty of religions or
• 18:52
  Speaker 9: spiritual beliefs, and I think that there is something above us,
• 18:56
  Speaker 9: like some kind of source, universe, God, whatever you may
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: call it.
• 19:04
  Speaker 7: So Alexander, I I've been wondering because I've been looking
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: in the stuff like like Adams calendar and stuff like that,
• 19:18
  Speaker 7: what sites or artifacts are like, how do you say
• 19:22
  Speaker 7: the smoking like a smoking gun that mainstream or archaeology
• 19:27
  Speaker 7: refuses to acknowledge.
• 19:30
  Speaker 9: In your opinion, I would say that the biggest smoking
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: goun is gobekly tape that is commonly accepted to be
• 19:38
  Speaker 9: like from Averver prehistoric periods of at least twelve thousand
• 19:41
  Speaker 9: years ago. But why for me is a smoking gown
• 19:45
  Speaker 9: because it completely shattered the old not maybe partim but
• 19:49
  Speaker 9: old opinions on history. Because when theories of Atlantes or
• 19:54
  Speaker 9: previous civilizations were like in the seventies, fifties or eighties
• 20:00
  Speaker 9: of the previous century, I found that the biggest skepticism
• 20:03
  Speaker 9: of them from mainstream archaeology and history was, you know,
• 20:08
  Speaker 9: these things cannot be let's say, ten thousand years old
• 20:11
  Speaker 9: or more, because we know from historical records that humans
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: were not capable of creats that creating such megalodic things
• 20:19
  Speaker 9: back then. But then at the end of nineties of
• 20:23
  Speaker 9: the previous century, we found gobeically tape, and I think
• 20:27
  Speaker 9: it is and it was the smokey is gun because
• 20:31
  Speaker 9: you know, now it's all shattered. You cannot just deny
• 20:34
  Speaker 9: any theory of let's say, pre Ice Age or Ice
• 20:38
  Speaker 9: Age civilizations because.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: You know, you just do not have any evidence. Okay.
• 20:44
  Speaker 9: Also, lack of evidence isn't the evidence for absence. That's
• 20:48
  Speaker 9: another thing. But you know, this was a common argument
• 20:51
  Speaker 9: back then. But now this argument is lost. We see
• 20:54
  Speaker 9: that there were builders at Gobeicle Tape, so people twelve
• 20:58
  Speaker 9: thousand years ago or even more, because they're or more
• 21:01
  Speaker 9: things to the Gobecle Tape side still buried beneath and
• 21:04
  Speaker 9: maybe older than what we have than the days that
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: we have now. And I think that now you know,
• 21:12
  Speaker 9: if you just say, oh, this may be from ten
• 21:14
  Speaker 9: thousand years ago or twelve thousand years ago, and maybe
• 21:17
  Speaker 9: we're still speculating, you cannot say, oh, it cannot be
• 21:21
  Speaker 9: because humans were not capable of that, because we have
• 21:24
  Speaker 9: an example of Gobechle Tape that they were. But I
• 21:27
  Speaker 9: would say another, but I think this is the biggest
• 21:30
  Speaker 9: smoking gun. I would say that another clue to this question,
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: and to go in this route of Gobechle Tape, and
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: the biggest thing would be the megalodic architecture of the
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: biggest polygonal huge blocks that can be found in plenty
• 21:43
  Speaker 9: of the places on the entire earth, like the famous
• 21:46
  Speaker 9: sax Si Woman in Peru and many sites. Because it's
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: not only in Cusco sax Si Woman in per that
• 21:53
  Speaker 9: we find these polygonal walls, but also similar walls can
• 21:56
  Speaker 9: be found on Easter Island, which is of course nearby Peru,
• 22:00
  Speaker 9: so maybe someone traveled there. But then you have Europe
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: in Italy, in Greece, and then you have in Egypt.
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: For instance, the Ausulian is very similar, maybe not with
• 22:10
  Speaker 9: that many angles like the polygonal walls of Cusco. However,
• 22:14
  Speaker 9: for instance, the fundamental blocks of the Third Permit of Giza,
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: the mencar One is also very very similar, and you
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: can point to at least a few similarities.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Because you may be skeptic that, okay, huge blocks.
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: People were using them because you know, they were the
• 22:33
  Speaker 9: best for building biggest buildings, and maybe you know they
• 22:36
  Speaker 9: cut them similarly.
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: They didn't want, you.
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: Know, to cut them over exactly, so they left these
• 22:42
  Speaker 9: polygonal walls. But you may say that, okay, there are
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: similar in structure in this megalithic polygonal maze, but also
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: they have a special knobs that are going out of them,
• 22:54
  Speaker 9: probably for let's say, some kind of ropes to be
• 22:57
  Speaker 9: attached to it to pull them. Maybe, I don't know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: but these attachments, these knobs can be seen very very
• 23:04
  Speaker 9: similar ones in again South America, in Egypt, in of
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: course Europe, but also in far far East in Asia.
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: There are plenty of similar megalis in China and Japan
• 23:15
  Speaker 9: and probably a few other countries. So I think this
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: would be the other smoking gun. But I would say
• 23:22
  Speaker 9: also the smoking was the first thing that I mentioned
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: that we now take the roots of anatomically modern humans
• 23:29
  Speaker 9: back in time. So what we were doing before the
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: first civilizations? If the first civilizations appeared let's say about
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: seven let's say plus or minus thousand years ago, and
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: we see two hundred thousand, four hundred thousand or even
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: more years back of anatomically modern humans, so what we
• 23:47
  Speaker 9: were making no progress. We're just cavemen four hundreds of
• 23:49
  Speaker 9: thousands of years.
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: You know.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Even let's assume that.
• 23:53
  Speaker 9: We were cavemen for all this time, probably somewhere on
• 23:58
  Speaker 9: Earth there appeared is this small culture, a city or
• 24:03
  Speaker 9: some kind of thing like Atlantis. You know, with all
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: of the humanity, all of these years, probably there appeared something.
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: And I think that's the biggest smoking gun because it
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: denies logically the lack of let's say that because skeptics,
• 24:18
  Speaker 9: so you know, Atlantis was not therefore sure, it's all mythical,
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: it's all false. But you know, we have we see
• 24:25
  Speaker 9: that it is more likely for something like Atlantis or
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: like some kind of city culture civilization to appear like
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: thirty or more even one thousand years ago than not.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: So I think that this genetic thing is another big
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: smoking gun.
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: So I don't want to co opt everything.
• 24:44
  Speaker 7: But like you, you run in and you talk about
• 24:47
  Speaker 7: forbidden knowledge, right, being suppressed, right, So I always like
• 24:54
  Speaker 7: asking this question, So who do you believe is doing
• 24:57
  Speaker 7: the suppressing?
• 25:00
  Speaker 4: I think, and also to what end?
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm, oh great question.
• 25:05
  Speaker 10: I love that, and I will I think, let's say
• 25:10
  Speaker 10: first who I think people who have knowledge and are
• 25:13
  Speaker 10: keeping in the dark, people who do not have this
• 25:16
  Speaker 10: knowledge or have just glimpses of it.
• 25:19
  Speaker 9: And I would say this is still my conspiracy theory
• 25:23
  Speaker 9: of the anti history.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I do not say that it is.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: True at all, but I think that everything points out
• 25:28
  Speaker 9: that something similar is happening. I think that a group
• 25:32
  Speaker 9: of people, of course, not some reptilions.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: Maybe yes, but maybe not some group.
• 25:36
  Speaker 9: Of people who have knowledge about these non physical things.
• 25:39
  Speaker 9: Let's say some people would say they have knowledge of
• 25:43
  Speaker 9: how to remember everything before incarnity in your earth, for example,
• 25:48
  Speaker 9: I would say, I do not accept it as a truth,
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: but for example, and I think that throughout the history
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: we see this trend that from the beginnings, I think,
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: and it is similar, and it is similarly described in
• 25:59
  Speaker 9: playlenty of ancient texts. People in the very distant past
• 26:03
  Speaker 9: were more in tune, in harmony, we would say, with
• 26:07
  Speaker 9: the entire surrounding reality.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: We would say that they.
• 26:11
  Speaker 9: Were much more in modern terms of in modern spiritual terms,
• 26:15
  Speaker 9: much more psyching that psychic that we are nowadays. They
• 26:19
  Speaker 9: were having plenty of more of these psychic capabilities. They
• 26:22
  Speaker 9: were much more open, They were much more in tune
• 26:25
  Speaker 9: with everything. And I would say, and this mentioned in
• 26:28
  Speaker 9: plenty of ancient texts, and plenty of the oldest ancient texts,
• 26:30
  Speaker 9: even in Mahabarata, for instance, that there are different ages
• 26:35
  Speaker 9: and each age is of less and less and less
• 26:38
  Speaker 9: spirituality in Mahabarata is from Mahabarata. It stems the famous
• 26:44
  Speaker 9: concept of yugas of these ages of time for ages,
• 26:47
  Speaker 9: so from the great Satia or Krista Yoga, the golden.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Age when dharmas, so what is right and all.
• 26:54
  Speaker 9: Of these spirituality psychic capabilities are one hundred percent, then
• 26:58
  Speaker 9: it comes for one one fourth and then we end
• 27:01
  Speaker 9: up in Caliuga, which is the worst the material age
• 27:04
  Speaker 9: of only one fourth quarter of the drama. Similar beliefs
• 27:08
  Speaker 9: can be fund for instance, and Native Americans who mentioned
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: these cycles of time as a cow who is standing
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: on four legs, and each age, this cow or buffalo,
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: I think, loses one leg, one leg, one leg, and
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: then if it has one leg, it is very easy
• 27:24
  Speaker 9: for it to collapse or it collapses. And I think
• 27:27
  Speaker 9: it describes everything. And I think that it is neutral
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: that there are different ages. In ones we have we
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: have more heightened psychic capabilities, in others we do not.
• 27:37
  Speaker 9: I think it's natural, it's nothing wrong, and there isn't
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: conspiracy here. But I think that where the conspiracy is
• 27:44
  Speaker 9: is with all we would say secret societies from the
• 27:47
  Speaker 9: verver beginnings, even the illusions or then the hermetis and
• 27:52
  Speaker 9: then resecutions and so on, And I wouldn't say all
• 27:55
  Speaker 9: of them are, but no, but I think that some
• 27:57
  Speaker 9: people who had this knowledge, say knowledge of initiation, because
• 28:02
  Speaker 9: if we, for instance, I was also researching ancient initiations
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: like Manly Palmer, Hall Staff, ancient Egyptian virtuals and so on,
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: and I would say that the common denominator, so the
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: common thing that is in many of them, would be
• 28:17
  Speaker 9: the out of body experience, new death experience, some kind
• 28:21
  Speaker 9: of experience that provides the person experiencing it with this
• 28:26
  Speaker 9: ham moment that there is much more than physical body,
• 28:29
  Speaker 9: that there is something more, something higher. This is I
• 28:32
  Speaker 9: would say, the basics of the secret knowledge. And I
• 28:34
  Speaker 9: think that this secret knowledge was hidden from humanity and
• 28:37
  Speaker 9: secret societies. Maybe not all, of course, but some people
• 28:40
  Speaker 9: in the secret societies were hiding this knowledge. We see it,
• 28:43
  Speaker 9: for instance, in hermetists. We're saying, okay, we are doing
• 28:46
  Speaker 9: that because we would be persecuted and all of this
• 28:49
  Speaker 9: knowledge would be lost if we weren't hiding it. So
• 28:52
  Speaker 9: maybe there was some kind of good idea behind it.
• 28:54
  Speaker 9: I do not deny it, but I think that some people,
• 28:58
  Speaker 9: you know, in all areas of our lives, there are idiots, cowards,
• 29:01
  Speaker 9: or people who want to have the power and you know,
• 29:04
  Speaker 9: rule other people, narcissists and so on. And I think
• 29:06
  Speaker 9: that such people, you know, hijack this knowledge hid from
• 29:10
  Speaker 9: other people for their safety, just as nowadays, similar mechanism
• 29:14
  Speaker 9: is being done in the modern world that for our safety,
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: will do that, will do that, and our.
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: Freedom is limited. I don't want to go I don't want.
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: To go into this part, but I think there is
• 29:25
  Speaker 9: a similar mechanism to that, and I think it's going that.
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: You know, in the past, people were much more attuned.
• 29:32
  Speaker 9: We even see it. You know, plenty of psychologists were
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: analyzing ancient Greek and Roman texts and they found out
• 29:38
  Speaker 9: that people from these times were much more into being
• 29:43
  Speaker 9: tuned into the surrounding reality of theirs. So they're thinking, okay,
• 29:48
  Speaker 9: different energies, for instance, in ancient Greece, different energies or
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: beings or spirits are at the temple, different spirits are
• 29:56
  Speaker 9: at the bay, at the beach.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Different spirits are in forest.
• 29:59
  Speaker 9: They were real in tune and people say, oh, they
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: were hallascinating or something, but maybe they were feeling everything
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: of it. And I think that with all the ages
• 30:08
  Speaker 9: from the ancient times, that's why I think the Dark
• 30:11
  Speaker 9: Ages were the peak of the Caliyuga.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, maybe.
• 30:15
  Speaker 9: It's a different way, but I think that the Middle
• 30:18
  Speaker 9: Ages were the peak of caliuga pick of darkness, of
• 30:20
  Speaker 9: non spirituality. And I think that then from them from
• 30:25
  Speaker 9: then on, because you see people who were initially attuned
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: to spirituality, then they were losing losing their abilities. Then,
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: because you see it from history, religions came in, let's say,
• 30:35
  Speaker 9: from the shamanistic, you know, spiritual not religions, but spiritual beliefs.
• 30:41
  Speaker 9: Then came religions, religious beliefs, dogmatic beliefs that we know
• 30:45
  Speaker 9: the truth, this is like that, this is like that,
• 30:47
  Speaker 9: so heaven helen and so on.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: And then the.
• 30:50
  Speaker 9: Next step from the religions would be the enlightenment, all
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: the science materialism. And I think now we are being
• 30:57
  Speaker 9: hijacked into the materialism that nothing except for matter exists,
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: that we are just biological machines. And I think, you know,
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: this small impulation goes on and on and on. From
• 31:06
  Speaker 9: the times that we were very in tune with nature,
• 31:10
  Speaker 9: shamanistic beliefs and many other beliefs that were non dogmatic,
• 31:14
  Speaker 9: then into dogmatic religions because people were still more attuned
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: into let's say, the spiritual things, and then we are
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: being cut off cut off spirituality more and more, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: you know, maybe this is some evil I do not
• 31:28
  Speaker 9: know a couple plan to hijack humanity into this material.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So that's my.
• 31:34
  Speaker 9: Little I do not say it's true, but that's from
• 31:36
  Speaker 9: all my research, from all my experience, and it's a
• 31:38
  Speaker 9: lot of research.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: I would say this is my holistic view.
• 31:42
  Speaker 9: If I would say there is some kind of conspiracy
• 31:46
  Speaker 9: going on, I would say that this is.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: The broad view of.
• 31:52
  Speaker 9: The conspiracy theory of the entire history.
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: Here in Polish we have.
• 31:56
  Speaker 9: Even spiecovatoria ja if we call it so, the conspiracy
• 32:01
  Speaker 9: theory of all ages. We call people like that who
• 32:05
  Speaker 9: are into conspiracy theories that, oh you and your conspiracy theory.
• 32:09
  Speaker 9: You know, we have still it in our Polish language,
• 32:12
  Speaker 9: like the name for it.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: So it's really really fund it.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: Something I wanted to ask you, going by some of
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the things you said, like in my opinion, I'm just
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: wondering for people like you were saying, you know, were
• 32:26
  Speaker 4: we always dumb for that long? I'm just going to
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: put it in those words, you know, and some of
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: the things you said makes me think that maybe you
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: believe in magic in a sense, and if I look
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: at magical experiences from my experience, I would think that
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: it could be quite possible that a dumb person can
• 32:44
  Speaker 4: start getting pretty intelligent if they have these experiences. Regardless,
• 32:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know how their brains were back then. I
• 32:52
  Speaker 4: don't know if they had the capabilities which is we're
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: using it blah blah blah. I know that shit was different.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: But I do wonder if even somebody that was that
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: ignorant or a caveman, if they were to have a
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: magical experience across the abyss and come into contact with
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: God or the all, is it going to start getting
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: ideas that is available to anything and start bringing that
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: back with them and that's how you start to become
• 33:13
  Speaker 4: a little bit more intelligent and the other.
• 33:15
  Speaker 9: Yes, actually it is going mainstream. It is called I
• 33:19
  Speaker 9: think this ston't ape theory. It was initially called that,
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: you know, how we evolved from let's say apes probably
• 33:27
  Speaker 9: speaking from home minutes or from apes into how minutes
• 33:30
  Speaker 9: first then into humans because how minutes were also let's say,
• 33:33
  Speaker 9: more intelligent, more capable.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Than the other apes. We know.
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: It was probably and did is a theory, and it
• 33:39
  Speaker 9: is going into mainstream science, but it's still one of
• 33:42
  Speaker 9: the many theories how we evolved that you know, magic
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: mushrooms or some other psychedelic substance was taken by let's
• 33:51
  Speaker 9: say monkey, it had spiritual visions. Maybe they started hitting
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: it more and more and it led to, you know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: changes in their brains into more intelligent and so on
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: and so on.
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: And I think it's a very.
• 34:03
  Speaker 9: Good idea and probably how at some point it happened.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: Maybe it wasn't the only factor, but maybe that was
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: one of the factors how we started to be different
• 34:13
  Speaker 9: than other species, and how our previous let's say ancestore
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: species like other how many its started to be different
• 34:20
  Speaker 9: than just let's say apes.
• 34:25
  Speaker 8: You also didn't get hit in your hair really hard
• 34:27
  Speaker 8: and become really smart too. There's a lot of people
• 34:30
  Speaker 8: that have that happen to them. And we talked about
• 34:32
  Speaker 8: that before Alexander, you know, and we also talked about
• 34:34
  Speaker 8: Savann syndrome too.
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: Yes, it maybe I think that we have much many,
• 34:40
  Speaker 9: much more many capabilities when it comes both to our
• 34:43
  Speaker 9: I won't say only brain, because I would say the
• 34:46
  Speaker 9: entire nervous system, let's say, or even genetic stuff. I
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: think that there is much more hidden and a any
• 34:53
  Speaker 9: proponent of you know, going and not limiting ourselves when
• 34:57
  Speaker 9: it comes to our potential and Savan syndrome as mentioned,
• 35:00
  Speaker 9: tyrone is one of the best examples that you know,
• 35:03
  Speaker 9: you are just let's say casual well by many terms
• 35:06
  Speaker 9: human being, and then your hit and now you're a genius.
• 35:09
  Speaker 9: And there are plenty of cases like that. It is
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: even started extensively by scientists. It isn't some woo like
• 35:17
  Speaker 9: maybe it was before. And I think it shows us
• 35:20
  Speaker 9: that there is much more to ourselves and maybe there
• 35:23
  Speaker 9: are some kind of internal beliefs, internal blockades that may
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: be connected for instance to our own self portrait or
• 35:33
  Speaker 9: maybe even our upbringing, that are limiting us and we
• 35:35
  Speaker 9: did not even know it. And maybe you know you're
• 35:38
  Speaker 9: being hit by the rock, and now all of these
• 35:42
  Speaker 9: subconscious locks are being opened, and the same for instance
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: during out of body experiences, during maybe hypnotic regressions, and
• 35:50
  Speaker 9: plenty of other experiences they may cause and they may
• 35:55
  Speaker 9: unlock all of these logs that are subconscious. And I
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: think even going through the ages, there may be some
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: kind of dislogs being implanted to some extending us, like
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: religious ones that are emitting ourselves, and many others that
• 36:10
  Speaker 9: may still be there, and maybe to some extent is intentional,
• 36:14
  Speaker 9: maybe it is random. I don't know, but I think
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: that there is much more to our brains and our capabilities.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Alexander, I had a quick question. Have you looked into
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: any of the brain development after primates evolved into hominids,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: when we stopped being frog wars and went into meat
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: eating capabilities. I guess you could say where our diet
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: was basically more meat than more meat and fat than
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: it was carbohydrates.
• 36:50
  Speaker 9: Yes, it's I think the most accepted theory that how
• 36:54
  Speaker 9: we evolved, But it wasn't the initial revolution. I think
• 36:57
  Speaker 9: it was all a bit later in our development that
• 37:00
  Speaker 9: we were already some kind of divided from the apes,
• 37:05
  Speaker 9: I would say, and let's say we were a little
• 37:07
  Speaker 9: bit more advanced apes we started eating as you mentioned, meat,
• 37:11
  Speaker 9: more fat or problem more energy because you know, from
• 37:13
  Speaker 9: casual we will see it very clearly from how much
• 37:18
  Speaker 9: food like for instance, rabbits it how much hay because
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: how much you know energy it needs, or how much
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: leaves particular vegetarian animals eat.
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: It's you know this meat.
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: And as fat, as you mentioned, was you know, a
• 37:33
  Speaker 9: hugely forward and I think that to some extent is
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: to just write that it was some of the factors
• 37:40
  Speaker 9: that led to our brain developments, but I would say
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: that there were probably many others, and it was just
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: one point how the capacity of the brains was increasing,
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: but not always capacity. Capacity of the brains equals higher intelligence.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: You know, it may be only intelligent at one point.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I guess the the angle that I was looking at
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: is that the moment that we started to eat flesh
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: was that we reduce the gut length as you do
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: see in these frugivores as well as hervivores, and so
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: it was kind of like a trade off to where
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: gut basically shrunk, so to speak. We were no longer
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: for mentors, mindgup for mentors, or for somethings whatever. But
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: then there are amygdala and our pre frontal cortex basically increased,
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: which is the site for memory, cognition and what have you,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: and nervous system as well as being an extension of
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: the brain. But also when you do speak to people
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: who have these meditative mystical experiences, they have gone through
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: a period of fasting and if most of the diet
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that is considered fasting is withdrawing of carbohydrates. So if
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: we left frugivre Villa and we are no longer consuming
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: a carbohydrate rich diet, but now a protein fat diet,
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: leaving us in ketosis, so this week that we would
• 39:03
  Speaker 1: be able to have a more or at least it'd
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: be easier to have a mystical experience because you have
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: now suspended yourself from the chirohydrate bridge diet.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I just wanted let's retort.
• 39:15
  Speaker 9: I would get a little bit lecture on the anthropology
• 39:18
  Speaker 9: and of this evolution, but let's start with ketosis. I
• 39:21
  Speaker 9: would say it was in on Kito for about two years,
• 39:24
  Speaker 9: maybe one and a half, and I would say that
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: it wasn't a better experience than eating carbohydrates. I think
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: that you know, it wasn't a better living, better training,
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: and so on.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: There were a few benefits.
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: But I would say, yes, that during ketosis, I was
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: having more like maybe not the entire visions, but more
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: like trans state. It was more often like this state
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: before we sometimes dream before we.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Go to sleep.
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: So I would say like that, but I do not
• 39:54
  Speaker 9: think that ketosis is the key but what else I
• 39:58
  Speaker 9: would say, how it all if I it wasn't only that,
• 40:01
  Speaker 9: you know, reformed our cordex and everything evolved because we
• 40:04
  Speaker 9: started eating meat. It was not initial, it was the
• 40:07
  Speaker 9: first we started eating meat, and it was not only
• 40:10
  Speaker 9: much more energy in it, but also much less time
• 40:14
  Speaker 9: was needed to get the energy because you see, for instance,
• 40:17
  Speaker 9: coalas they need all day long and probably all night
• 40:21
  Speaker 9: long they are eating, eating, eating, and plenty of herbivores
• 40:24
  Speaker 9: are eating all the time, or a large amount of
• 40:27
  Speaker 9: the daytime is spent into eating.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: But now you hunted once and.
• 40:31
  Speaker 9: You could even leave a few days I don't know,
• 40:33
  Speaker 9: depending on the amount of food. So it was also
• 40:36
  Speaker 9: this development of our intelligence was also because of the
• 40:39
  Speaker 9: free time.
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: You know, we have.
• 40:41
  Speaker 9: Energy, we have free time. So we started thinking, like,
• 40:44
  Speaker 9: imagine going out of this let's say survival state. Now
• 40:47
  Speaker 9: you have let's say all day long, you you are
• 40:50
  Speaker 9: not hungry, so you.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Think, oh, let's go here, let's go here.
• 40:53
  Speaker 9: Let's say from a primitive level, and that's how everything evolved,
• 40:56
  Speaker 9: and that's how, you know, we started the way of
• 40:59
  Speaker 9: life that we lived then and live now, the hunter
• 41:03
  Speaker 9: gatherer one. And you know that was the initial one,
• 41:07
  Speaker 9: how the culture the art started all of this cave painting,
• 41:10
  Speaker 9: paintings and so on. So it wasn't only about the
• 41:13
  Speaker 9: meat and not only about the nutrients. Nutrients were important,
• 41:16
  Speaker 9: but it was also about the conclusion of that that
• 41:19
  Speaker 9: we have plenty of free times, so we can you know,
• 41:21
  Speaker 9: explore more than just you know, eating leaves all long.
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: And that's how we then.
• 41:26
  Speaker 9: Adapted because you know, we do not need to be
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: like monkeys like here to climb the trees because we
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: are not getting the foot from the trees. We are
• 41:35
  Speaker 9: going into hunting and most of the prey is on
• 41:40
  Speaker 9: the ground, so we go and go, and that's how
• 41:42
  Speaker 9: we started having better posture that we now have and
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: so on.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: So it wasn't only.
• 41:47
  Speaker 9: About the the meat and the stuff like that. And
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: I do not think that kittosis is the thing, at
• 41:54
  Speaker 9: least from my experience into but I think that these
• 41:57
  Speaker 9: states because it's not only about ketosis or fasting. Let's
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: say I fasted for a lot too, But I think
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: it's about our bodies and how they are behaving in
• 42:11
  Speaker 9: conditions that are not good for our survival, because there
• 42:15
  Speaker 9: are even practices and I think that even ancient practices
• 42:18
  Speaker 9: were like that that people were put into a place
• 42:23
  Speaker 9: with no lights, with no foot with no everything. You know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 9: they were hidden in a cave or something and close
• 42:30
  Speaker 9: for so let's say a few.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Days, maybe even in some cases.
• 42:36
  Speaker 9: And I think that then they experienced such you know,
• 42:39
  Speaker 9: psychic states, spiritual experiences.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: And I think even ten years ago or five years ago, it.
• 42:45
  Speaker 9: Was very popular at least there was a brief trend
• 42:48
  Speaker 9: of that that, you know, going into retreats, being hit
• 42:53
  Speaker 9: in a place with zero light for three to five days,
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: of course with some camera and they check if you're
• 43:00
  Speaker 9: dying there of course.
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: So they can help you survive.
• 43:03
  Speaker 9: But you know, I think that these conditions, and I
• 43:06
  Speaker 9: think in these conditions, I don't know, maybe our biological
• 43:11
  Speaker 9: body shuts down, or plenty of the things I mentioned
• 43:14
  Speaker 9: shuts down those keys in our subconscious, those locks and
• 43:19
  Speaker 9: so on, and all of the let's say, primal behaviors
• 43:23
  Speaker 9: for our survival these shut off. Maybe they think, oh,
• 43:26
  Speaker 9: you're dying, bye bye. You know, biology doesn't need you.
• 43:29
  Speaker 9: Will take another species to reprit this, and then you
• 43:32
  Speaker 9: may have a much bigger access to this spiritual internal self.
• 43:38
  Speaker 9: And maybe partially I do not deny spiritual experiences, but
• 43:43
  Speaker 9: maybe partially there there is something going on with psychedelic
• 43:47
  Speaker 9: substances in your brain. We have DMT found a few
• 43:50
  Speaker 9: places in our body, not only in the brain, but
• 43:53
  Speaker 9: also heavily in lungs, and I think that during such
• 43:55
  Speaker 9: states that oh your body thinks you are dying, it
• 43:58
  Speaker 9: may you know, create just as we are dreaming.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Some of the.
• 44:01
  Speaker 9: Dreams may be spiritual. I experienced plenty of out of
• 44:04
  Speaker 9: body I would say dreams that were that couldn't be
• 44:08
  Speaker 9: explained by just physical material turns. But I also think
• 44:11
  Speaker 9: some of the dreams are just basically biological ones of
• 44:14
  Speaker 9: our brains. So I think that you know, during these
• 44:17
  Speaker 9: times of intense fasting, not eating, or being in the
• 44:21
  Speaker 9: dark for many many hours, many many days, I think
• 44:25
  Speaker 9: our body may have some mechanisms that may help us survive.
• 44:29
  Speaker 9: You know, Okay, we will give you all of this
• 44:32
  Speaker 9: trans stuff in your brain. You will see it and
• 44:34
  Speaker 9: maybe it will come alive. Maybe you will have meaning again.
• 44:38
  Speaker 9: Because we're often with such states, people have new meaning
• 44:42
  Speaker 9: in life. So maybe partially I do not deny. I
• 44:45
  Speaker 9: think there is something more than just biological things when
• 44:48
  Speaker 9: it comes to mystical spiritual experiences and stuff like that.
• 44:51
  Speaker 9: But I think that some of lighter spiritual experiences or
• 44:55
  Speaker 9: just you know, hypnosis states and stuff like that may
• 44:58
  Speaker 9: be connected just to biological mechanism defensive mechanism. Okay, he's dying,
• 45:04
  Speaker 9: he didn't it, he haven't didn anything in three days.
• 45:08
  Speaker 9: There is dark, there is nothing, no any light, and
• 45:12
  Speaker 9: so on. So maybe let's give him spiritual experiences so
• 45:15
  Speaker 9: we will drive him, make him motivated to pursue the
• 45:19
  Speaker 9: survival because maybe I think, just but from biological terms,
• 45:23
  Speaker 9: maybe this person doesn't want to live. Let's say, so
• 45:28
  Speaker 9: maybe this will enable it this person to have the
• 45:32
  Speaker 9: motivation to then continue on living and he will survive
• 45:35
  Speaker 9: because biology is very very often about or mostly often
• 45:39
  Speaker 9: about survival. So I think there may be some mechanisms
• 45:43
  Speaker 9: like that.
• 45:46
  Speaker 6: I had two quick points. One thing is to sort
• 45:49
  Speaker 6: of rough off what Lisa said about the sort of
• 45:53
  Speaker 6: pre evolved will say form and Alexander will know this
• 45:57
  Speaker 6: because he brought up some things of the reg vetta.
• 46:00
  Speaker 6: But the idea of humans being closer to Yaksha's or
• 46:03
  Speaker 6: nature spirits or like who have big feet, pop bellies, lambodherya,
• 46:09
  Speaker 6: bigger heads, very close to the earth, the earth spirits
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: really and so I that's what I kind of thought
• 46:16
  Speaker 6: when you were speaking Lisa about how maybe that was
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: the primordial sort of form you could say, and then
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: we very literally arose from that, and it's not necessarily
• 46:29
  Speaker 6: Darwinian evolution, but there maybe it is psycho spiritual psycho
• 46:33
  Speaker 6: biospiritual as well. And so Alexander, I also agree with
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: you that the yuga has was way, way overextended, and
• 46:42
  Speaker 6: I think that has a lot to do with the
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: later in eighteenth century. I think they didn't understand the
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: sort of sanscrit math where the Kalpas and the Yugas
• 46:53
  Speaker 6: are actually much more relative to time and also exactly
• 46:59
  Speaker 6: you get at it, and so they're also shorter, so
• 47:02
  Speaker 6: much shorter. It's not millions of years, it's uh, you know,
• 47:05
  Speaker 6: maybe hundreds, maybe it's dependent, it depends, but I agree
• 47:10
  Speaker 6: with you. I think it's it's much more actual.
• 47:14
  Speaker 9: Yes, So if you want taking continue to you guys,
• 47:16
  Speaker 9: because you have a great point that they're like not
• 47:19
  Speaker 9: billions of years or even hundreds of millions of years
• 47:22
  Speaker 9: in some cases. And I think it's like from modern
• 47:26
  Speaker 9: New Age staff the karmic cycles that they are on
• 47:29
  Speaker 9: the bigger scale and on a smaller scale. I think
• 47:32
  Speaker 9: that the yogas are the same. And even in the Mahabarata,
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: which is one of the longest and at the same
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: time oldest of the known text to humanity, there is
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: to mention that there are for instance, there's only division
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: into two divine and human years. So once are these
• 47:45
  Speaker 9: long ones and ones are a little bit shorter, but
• 47:48
  Speaker 9: still not like during our known periods of history. But
• 47:53
  Speaker 9: I think it's like it's factal that you know, all
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: of these cycles are mirrored reflected on plenty of other scales.
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: So we may say, ah, there is a large, large
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: Maha yugas. It is called Mahas or the great the
• 48:09
  Speaker 9: biggest one you know, on the millions or billions of
• 48:13
  Speaker 9: your scale, but you know it goes on a smaller
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: and smaller scale, just like you know, we have entire universe.
• 48:19
  Speaker 9: We have let's say, galaxies. In the galaxies, we have
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: Solar system. In the Solar system, we have our Earth
• 48:25
  Speaker 9: on our Earth, we have like atoms, and so on
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: and so on. I think it's fractal, and we see
• 48:29
  Speaker 9: fractals everwhere in nature, in cosmos, and so on, and
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: I think the same is with yugas.
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: So maybe there are even.
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: Yogas that are let's say minutes or seconds long.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: We do not know. Maybe even these ugas do not
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: apply to us.
• 48:42
  Speaker 9: But I think that the yogas are on all levels
• 48:45
  Speaker 9: of existence jazz as. Let's say, on the level of
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: we can compare to like space to time, on the
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: level let's say of the entire galaxy, on the level
• 48:55
  Speaker 9: of the Solar system, of the level on the planet
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: which is similar to solar system, we have the moon,
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: which is also surrounding us.
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: And then on the level let's say of.
• 49:03
  Speaker 9: An atom or something, and maybe plenty of the other
• 49:06
  Speaker 9: levels in between them.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: And my I think I am a much. I am a.
• 49:12
  Speaker 9: Proponent of a division of the yugas when it comes
• 49:15
  Speaker 9: to our history, especially of Shri Yukta shfar who was
• 49:19
  Speaker 9: the teacher of the famous Paramahan Sayogananda, this autobiography of
• 49:24
  Speaker 9: the Oogi, and he actually got this yuga cycle scaled
• 49:28
  Speaker 9: it into procession of the equinoxes. And I am heavily
• 49:33
  Speaker 9: writing in my books and heavily researched the precession of
• 49:36
  Speaker 9: the equinoxes. And I think that the precession of the
• 49:38
  Speaker 9: equinoxes may be the key to some kind of incarnation
• 49:42
  Speaker 9: or something at least when it comes to repitting history.
• 49:45
  Speaker 9: And I will ask myself, Okay, if history repeats according
• 49:49
  Speaker 9: to this astronomical cycle, it isn't man made fictional cycle.
• 49:52
  Speaker 9: This is astronomical cycle that we see that you can observe,
• 49:56
  Speaker 9: let's say, physically, and independent of any kinds of beliefs
• 50:01
  Speaker 9: and stuff. And if we can or if this precision
• 50:06
  Speaker 9: of the equinox cycle, these cycles are governing history, so
• 50:10
  Speaker 9: maybe there is something beyond that. Maybe this is some
• 50:14
  Speaker 9: kind of a cosmic clock that tells what is happening
• 50:17
  Speaker 9: on earth. I'm heavily explained that into my book and
• 50:19
  Speaker 9: I think that, and that's why I'm proponent of this
• 50:22
  Speaker 9: division of the Yugas. And in this division of the Yugas,
• 50:25
  Speaker 9: the Middle Ages or the Dark Ages actually would be
• 50:28
  Speaker 9: the worst ages when it comes to let's say our
• 50:31
  Speaker 9: known history from the ancient times up until nowadays, Dark
• 50:35
  Speaker 9: Ages would be the Cali Yoga, and then let's say
• 50:39
  Speaker 9: antiquity would be I think that Vapara Yuga. And now
• 50:42
  Speaker 9: we are also in the Vapara Yoga from the times
• 50:44
  Speaker 9: of the Enlightenment. And that's why I'm propellent of this
• 50:47
  Speaker 9: kind of division because it fits with my research on
• 50:50
  Speaker 9: the cyclical history connected with this cosmic clock, astronomical cosmic clock.
• 50:55
  Speaker 9: The precision of the equinoxes, and this precision of the
• 50:58
  Speaker 9: equinoxes can be found in plenty of ancient myths legends.
• 51:03
  Speaker 9: I think most of our listeners heard of Graham Han
• 51:05
  Speaker 9: Kok and so on. Plenty of people like Graham Honkok
• 51:09
  Speaker 9: explained that in plenty of the most ancient myths there
• 51:12
  Speaker 9: are our references to this exactly precision of the equinoxes stuff.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: And I even.
• 51:18
  Speaker 9: Connect the astronomy of the precession of the equinoxes with
• 51:22
  Speaker 9: let's say our Western Zodec system of twelve or sometimes thirteen.
• 51:27
  Speaker 9: It would also apply signs of the zodequ with these
• 51:30
  Speaker 9: yugas of Shri Yuktashfar that fit into the one full
• 51:35
  Speaker 9: cycle of the procession of the equinox, which is about
• 51:37
  Speaker 9: twenty six thousand years, or to be exact, twenty five thousand,
• 51:41
  Speaker 9: nine hundred and twenty. And why I'm so exact, because
• 51:44
  Speaker 9: you have twenty five thousand, nine hundred and twenty years,
• 51:47
  Speaker 9: and if you divide it into zodec signs or into yuga.
• 51:50
  Speaker 9: You have exact numbers that can be found in the
• 51:53
  Speaker 9: dimensions of the Great Point of Giza, and even in
• 51:56
  Speaker 9: the dimensions or the lamps and distances from let's say
• 52:02
  Speaker 9: Sun to Earth, Earth to Moon, Moon to Sun. So
• 52:05
  Speaker 9: in physical bodies, these numbers are everywhere. And I think
• 52:08
  Speaker 9: this is I would say the code of the matrix,
• 52:11
  Speaker 9: matrix saying the material world, because if history repeats according
• 52:15
  Speaker 9: to these numbers of the precision of the equinoxes, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 9: if we see these numbers not only in time let's say,
• 52:22
  Speaker 9: of the repeating history, but also in the distances in
• 52:26
  Speaker 9: our solar system, or in the proportions let's say of
• 52:30
  Speaker 9: Earth and Moon and Sun, so the key free key bodies.
• 52:34
  Speaker 9: When it comes to our existence, I think there is
• 52:36
  Speaker 9: something going on, and I think it's both in space
• 52:38
  Speaker 9: both in time, and that's what I'm searching for it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 9: I will be honest, I'm searching for this code of
• 52:45
  Speaker 9: the matrix because I see these numbers are there.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: So maybe you know, if we.
• 52:51
  Speaker 9: Crack the code of the matrix, it's like a I
• 52:54
  Speaker 9: would compare it. I don't say that everything is like
• 52:57
  Speaker 9: a video game. But I would compare to the video game.
• 53:00
  Speaker 9: If we crack this coat and put it, let's say,
• 53:02
  Speaker 9: into some kind of computer engine or something, it would
• 53:07
  Speaker 9: simulate the entire like solar system or our place of
• 53:11
  Speaker 9: living and everything. So I think this is the code
• 53:15
  Speaker 9: of the matrix, and I think that's it.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: Anybody have any questions or say anything on that before
• 53:26
  Speaker 4: I kind.
• 53:27
  Speaker 6: Of I'll comment really quick. Alexander, I thought that was great,
• 53:30
  Speaker 6: and I thought it's so interesting. I always think of
• 53:32
  Speaker 6: because Nick talks about how he got into podcasting through David.
• 53:36
  Speaker 6: I like listening to him like as og and so
• 53:39
  Speaker 6: I think, like, when you're talking about cosmic time, well,
• 53:42
  Speaker 6: that's very Saturn moon matrix, right, because Saturn is really
• 53:46
  Speaker 6: cosmic time, and then the moon is really the time
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: that's contained in our minds, that what we can measure
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: through our own perceptions. So it's really interesting that you
• 53:57
  Speaker 6: say that. And I agree that the Yoga Nanda, although
• 54:02
  Speaker 6: himself not a Tontric, his mother was actually what we
• 54:06
  Speaker 6: would call a Shrivigia tontric. She wasn't necessarily a tontric,
• 54:09
  Speaker 6: but their family understood some of the shrevigitexts. Now, this
• 54:16
  Speaker 6: kind of axial idea is not necessarily vedic or paronic,
• 54:21
  Speaker 6: but it is tontric. So I often wonder if this
• 54:25
  Speaker 6: like Dark Age period, this kali Yuga, the true Caliyuga time,
• 54:29
  Speaker 6: if that was like to reforge these sort of lost
• 54:34
  Speaker 6: ideas or maybe refound ideas and then propel them, like
• 54:39
  Speaker 6: you're saying. That's why I think it's so much more
• 54:42
  Speaker 6: compelling to view it as sort of a progressive access
• 54:45
  Speaker 6: of history, like things are always moving, it's like always
• 54:49
  Speaker 6: a cycle rather than staying fixed in place.
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I.
• 54:58
  Speaker 11: Was going to say, a explain to them what you
• 55:01
  Speaker 11: believe as civilization is, because you know, I always say,
• 55:03
  Speaker 11: you know, everybody has their own definition and meaning of
• 55:06
  Speaker 11: what a civilization is and what criterias needed to be
• 55:09
  Speaker 11: considered a civilization.
• 55:10
  Speaker 5: So give them an idea of what you consider.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: Yes, I remember that question.
• 55:15
  Speaker 9: I think there are something it's I would say that
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: according to our norms of modern let's say, science, society, logic,
• 55:24
  Speaker 9: and so on, society would need, like some people, some
• 55:28
  Speaker 9: structure when it comes to people living it, and it
• 55:31
  Speaker 9: couldn't be like one.
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Family or something.
• 55:33
  Speaker 9: And another key denominator of this of the civilization is
• 55:38
  Speaker 9: like some kind of writing, some kind of script, and
• 55:42
  Speaker 9: that's how history actually think this civilization needs a script.
• 55:46
  Speaker 9: But I would say from now, going beyond that and
• 55:49
  Speaker 9: beyond everything, I wouldn't consider that civilization needs a script
• 55:55
  Speaker 9: because let's say, like hypothetically speaking, what if civilization is
• 56:00
  Speaker 9: so psychic that it doesn't need to write down anything,
• 56:03
  Speaker 9: you know, just as even coming back to Mahabarata, which
• 56:06
  Speaker 9: is one of the longest and aldest epics, there are
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  Speaker 9: plenty of psychic abilities described them. I mentioned it in
• 56:12
  Speaker 9: my book. There is a blind person seeing psychically the
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  Speaker 9: entire battlefield from miles miles and miles away. And I
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  Speaker 9: wouldn't say, I think from our own materialistic point of view,
• 56:25
  Speaker 9: civilization would need script or some kind of writing system.
• 56:28
  Speaker 9: But I would say that it doesn't need because maybe
• 56:31
  Speaker 9: it can communicate in other forms, maybe some kind of
• 56:34
  Speaker 9: other civilization would even communicate even differently than psychically, and
• 56:40
  Speaker 9: so on. But of course, as I mentioned, there needs
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: to be a script. According to scientists, there needs to
• 56:47
  Speaker 9: be some kind of structure. Some would say hierarchy, but
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: at least some kind of structure. And yes, this structure
• 56:53
  Speaker 9: actually was the biggest thing because before there was structure,
• 57:00
  Speaker 9: and without structure, there couldn't be that progress into civilization
• 57:03
  Speaker 9: because imagine everyone, all the families, even living in a
• 57:07
  Speaker 9: community and not let's say, sharing the roles that everyone needs.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: You know, there is no blacksmith. Let's say, there is
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: no farmer, et cetera.
• 57:17
  Speaker 9: Everyone is doing everything and there is no communication between them,
• 57:20
  Speaker 9: no hierarchy, no structure. In that state, you cannot move
• 57:25
  Speaker 9: that forward. But it is hypothetical, of course. But scientists,
• 57:29
  Speaker 9: you know, are very fond of this idea that because
• 57:31
  Speaker 9: of the structure, that Okay, you go farming with these people,
• 57:35
  Speaker 9: I will go will be blacksmith here, you will be
• 57:39
  Speaker 9: doing that, you will be taking.
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: Care of the family.
• 57:41
  Speaker 9: Because of the structure, it could grow and grow and
• 57:44
  Speaker 9: grow because.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Of these roles.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I was going to say to the add
• 57:51
  Speaker 5: to that.
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  Speaker 8: You know, it almost reminds me of how when I
• 57:55
  Speaker 8: was growing up. I'm forty one years old now, and
• 57:59
  Speaker 8: I remember I remember ten to twenty phone numbers with
• 58:02
  Speaker 8: no problem, right, Like just every friend of mine.
• 58:04
  Speaker 5: That I had, I can remember their phone numbers.
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: But now you know, I can barely probably remember maybe
• 58:10
  Speaker 8: not real one.
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  Speaker 5: Maybe you know.
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  Speaker 2: What Plato said that more than two thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 2: In one of his I do not remember which.
• 58:20
  Speaker 9: One texts dialogues, he mentions this that when the goat
• 58:25
  Speaker 9: of wisdom Toes came to Egypt and when he introduced
• 58:29
  Speaker 9: the hieroglyphic script, all the memory was toast because everyone
• 58:34
  Speaker 9: everything could be written down and there was no need
• 58:36
  Speaker 9: to memory. So play them in two thousand years ago.
• 58:40
  Speaker 9: Describe what you are talking about.
• 58:42
  Speaker 8: Look look at what AI is doing to people right now.
• 58:45
  Speaker 8: Grock and chatch Gypt. You know a lot of people
• 58:48
  Speaker 8: will go to chat PT and Rock for a quick answer,
• 58:51
  Speaker 8: which is something wrong with it? If you know the
• 58:53
  Speaker 8: basics right, you can read out. You know where chachipt
• 58:57
  Speaker 8: you know, got its information from. But a lot of
• 59:00
  Speaker 8: people before that, before chat GPT, they would just go
• 59:03
  Speaker 8: to Google. And what would people do click on maybe
• 59:06
  Speaker 8: the first five links, maybe the first two, because it's
• 59:09
  Speaker 8: always on the top, so they think.
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  Speaker 2: And compare the information themselves.
• 59:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and you know it takes away And then you
• 59:19
  Speaker 5: have some people who.
• 59:20
  Speaker 8: Say, oh, you know, and I'm a very big advocate
• 59:22
  Speaker 8: on books too, I like to read just like you.
• 59:25
  Speaker 8: You know, we talked about that in the past, and
• 59:28
  Speaker 8: just because I read something in the book doesn't mean
• 59:30
  Speaker 8: it's accurate or right. It's just that person giving me
• 59:33
  Speaker 8: an idea in their book, and their book, you know,
• 59:35
  Speaker 8: they had somebody believed in the more they published their
• 59:38
  Speaker 8: book in boom, and people take that as, oh, see
• 59:40
  Speaker 8: that's evidence, which that's not always true. Because I've read
• 59:44
  Speaker 8: three different versions of the Maha Barata.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: It's funny that you mentioned that, and three different.
• 59:51
  Speaker 8: I was able to go back and see the difference
• 59:54
  Speaker 8: in between the three of them, and it's just interesting
• 59:56
  Speaker 8: that you can find that throughout any text, even the Sumerians.
• 59:59
  Speaker 8: A lot of people believe that the sa Marians did
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 8: one thing. And like you said, you know a lot
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 8: of people believe civilization started because, you know, some kind
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 8: of writing or some kind of place to where people
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 8: had to work together and stuff like that. And you know,
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 8: I know Margaret Meade, she was an anthropologist, and she
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 8: said at the beginning, and we talked about this too,
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 8: that she believed the beginning of a civilization started because
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 8: of a healed femur. Somebody took time out of somebody
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 8: else's life to take care of.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 5: Somebody that had a broken femur. And usually in that timeframe.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 8: I think it was about fifteen thousand years ago, if
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 8: I'm not mistaken, that that person be left to debt
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 8: to die.
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  Speaker 5: But you can see in every animal world around.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 8: Us, there are different animals that help other animals all
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 8: the time with different things. So and then you know,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 8: the the idea of what ants are. Ants are considered
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 8: one of the most sophisticated civilizations out there, the way
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 8: they have their workers and you know, hierarchy and structures
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 8: and so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 5: They just don't have the technology. And that's why I
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 5: was asking about, you know.
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  Speaker 8: What was your criteria of a civilization because there's different
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 8: ideas and different theories on that, and everybody has their own,
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 8: you know, way to you know, spend it for their
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 8: narrative or whatnot, you know, but you know, there's obviously
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 8: something that was before us. There's written records of it,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 8: and as long as the beginning of writing has ever
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 8: came to be, that was a way to record our history.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 8: Sometimes it would be exaggerated, sometimes it wouldn't. But what
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 8: is always consistent, and I like consistency, is that there
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 8: was something that was known before a higher civilization that
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 8: we know of what is normally said through archaeologists and
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 8: so on and so forth.
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  Speaker 2: Mm, yes, yes, I totally agree with you. That's the
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: same thing with me that I see.
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  Speaker 9: Even if you dig deeper, you will see that sometimes
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 9: the footnotes are wrong, or maybe there is a footnote
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 9: to something and you get the book, get the footnote,
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 9: and you see that there isn't anything about that in
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 9: this other book. So you know, even you cannot trust
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: the books, but especially the I'm not using for the
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 9: research purposes. I maybe only give me some new videos
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 9: or new information, new sources.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: Just to check out.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 9: So maybe just in that way, but I couldn't be
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: using like even if you ask, like, let's tell from
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 9: mahabarat a something now, it would give you probably false
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: answers in most of the cases. So not only for
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 9: let's say, maybe technical not important things like I want to.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Upload a video to YouTube, what to do.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 9: Or something like that, or a little bit more advanced
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 9: of course, but not for the research purposes.
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 2: There were instances, many instances.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 9: In which aich At, GPT or others were even inventing
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 9: the books or the articles like scientetic articles that were
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 9: not there, that were not existing.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: And so yes, that's the state of AI.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 4: If you don't, does anybody have any more questions before
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 4: I switch over to something else, I.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: Just wanted to take a quick statement. You had mentioned
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: about cosmic time, and it got me thinking about the
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: test act and the test react is considered an eight
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: cell or I guess like a cube prism, and then
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: eight cell got me thinking about the embryo when it
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: reaches the eight cell stage. The eight cell stage is
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 1: very well known, especially with IBF. It exhibits the most
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: successful stage at which an mbryo develops for embryo transfer
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 1: and implantation. This is also said that when an embryo
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: reaches the eight cell stage, whether implanting or not, it's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: almost guaranteed to continue on. Is much higher because that
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: is the point at which all the DNA that is
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: contained within the embryo is beginning to be transcribed. So
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: when you say that you're looking for the code to
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: the matrix, it reminded me of the eight cell stage
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: starting to transcribe all the information that is available. So
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  Speaker 1: that's all I just want to make that.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, there's a magic in numbers, in correlations between numbers.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 9: That's why I think numerology is important, not maybe in
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 9: the sense that it is portrayed let's say on the internet,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 9: but especially and looking for let's say, even sources because numerology.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 9: Numerology is one of the oldest sciences, because numerology logic.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 2: Science of course.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 9: So yes, there are plenty of things when it comes
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 9: to numbers, geometry and more.
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  Speaker 4: Listen, did you mention.
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  Speaker 1: Any Yeah, eight cell stage when the embryo has divided
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: into eight cells within and it happens on day three,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: which is funny if you nine eight bisexits threes mirror
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: each other looking at each other.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's right. Yeah. Uh, I was going to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 4: go over. I guess kind of switch over to something different,
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  Speaker 4: only because I think you talk about it in your book,
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  Speaker 4: and I know everybody's kind of got an idea and
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 4: the theory of it you have, I guess different. You
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: have a different idea of what the pyramids it might
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: have been used for. Correct, mm, I don't know if
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: you want to.
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  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
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  Speaker 9: And I'm action in my book comparing plenty of theories,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 9: and I'm still thinking that there are manyal theories. But
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 9: the more I compare these theories of the Pyramids, the
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 9: more coherences between them. I see that maybe both of
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 9: the theories are right, and you know that the purpose
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 9: of the pyramids was connected with that. And I see
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: that even maybe the mainstream thing that, oh the pyrameters
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 9: or terms of the furious, it's to some extent true
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 9: that you know, all the alternative theories and maintion theories
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 9: may be true, that there is a similar purpose to that.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 9: And you know, everyone is touching a part of the
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 9: same thing. And scientists say, oh, it to were the tombs.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 9: Others say, oh, it were the electric power plants, others say, oh,
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 9: it was something spiritual. And I think that they are
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 9: to some extent all right. And in my book I
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 9: heavily show plenty of experiments with the energy of the permits,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 9: energetic properties, both physical and some kind of spiritual non
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 9: physical and energetic properties.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: And I would say that they were.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 9: Connected to death to some extent. I think that they
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 9: were connected to solve some kind of journey to the soul.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 9: But I wouldn't say that they were especially tombs, and
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 9: I wouldn't say that.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: They were only power plants and so on.
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  Speaker 9: No, I think that the purpose of the pyramits was
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 9: some kind of either initiation or ascension, some kind of
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 9: spiritual transformation.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: And even when we see the.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 9: Shafts from the let's a great print of Giza, for example,
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 9: shafts pointing at the famous orion or other shaft point
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 9: he had, serious we say that these starts were very,
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 9: very important to even the lure of let's say ancient Egyptian.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 9: Whether we accept that ancient Egyptians build the pyramids or not,
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 9: we see that ancient Egyptians and a few Native Americans
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 9: were telling us that at the orion there was some
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 9: kind of gait for the soul or for the spirits
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 9: to come, like let's go off this material realm.
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's some kind of bad thing.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: Maybe the orion one is a bad like negative or something.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 9: But there were a few belief systems that I found
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 9: that mentioned that, okay, these where the shafts of the
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 9: permit point may be connected.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: To the journey of the soul.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 9: But I do not think that it was like just
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 9: for dead body for dead people. I think that it
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 9: was more for some kind of mystical experiences, out of
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 9: body experiences near that experiences. And I would go back
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 9: into this conspiracy theory about the initiation and especially I
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 9: think Manley palmer Hall, from his famous The Secret Teachings
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 9: of All Ages, mentions that such things as this coffin,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: this box, granite boxing, the permit that is unfinished, such
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 9: things were very often used to what I mentioned about initiation.
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: Near that experience, that the person was like a dead
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: man put into the coffin, the lit was being closed,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 9: and in the permit of gas there is no lid.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: Of course, however.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: There is like a huge block cut from this box,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 9: and I think that it may be. I think Maney
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 9: palmer Hall even mentioned that that probably it was for
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 9: the person to breathe, because it couldn't be without there,
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 9: because this man will die, for instance. But I think
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 9: that yes, it was just for initiation. People were close
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 9: in these coffins, and we many palmer Hall at least
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 9: provided plenty of other examples of coffins or caves that
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 9: were closed and there was no let's say light there,
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 9: and as I mentioned, doing no light conditions, there are
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 9: plenty of hallucinations or maybe spiritual experiences too, So I
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 9: think that these were used to do that. And I
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 9: think that the energetic properties of the pyramid, because there
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: are a few both on the physical level and both
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 9: on non physical level. I think that these were just
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 9: to amplify the result, just as for instance, acoustics in
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: special temples, or even by science science admits that these
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: acoustics in special temples. I think it was in Malta
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 9: or somewhere also in a few other places that these
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: were done in order for people inside of this temple
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 9: to maybe not have exactly altered states of consciousness, but
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 9: maybe to be a little bit more harmonized, like it
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 9: was a little bit different experience. There's just normal living.
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 9: So I think that the premits were is for something
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 9: like initiation some would say ascension, some kind of non
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 9: physical effects, and I think that the energetic properties just
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 9: were there to amplify them, just as temples are created
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 9: in such a way to amplify let's say, also maybe
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 9: a little bit less mystical experiences that anyone if we
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: go into like great temples, ancient temples, we will see
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: that there is something strange going on. So I think
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: it was all to amplify this to have much more
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: accessible spiritual mystical experience, but not for people who are
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 9: already dead and living.
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 4: Quite interesting that you mentioned something about you thought it
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: was associated with death. Then you also thought it might
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 4: have been mystical experiences. Do you think that's part of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: part of it? Do you think like I would say,
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: like you know, the Shamans, in my opinion, they're pushing
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 4: you to the edge of death, you.
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: Know, do you think having.
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: That experience is actually part of a match.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: Your death experience would be much stronger than just, let's say,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 9: hallucination or something.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: So, yes, I think this putting. Maybe not.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 9: I think it depends on place, and probably some people
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 9: used neurdath experience, some may use out of body or
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 9: other mystical experience.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: I think that both are correct.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: I had wondered because when you kind of mentioned that
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: with the Pyramids, I mean, my idea about the Pyramids
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 4: have changed so much since then since I've had this idea.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: But you know, and who knows. I do think it
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 4: could be multifacet like like you're saying, it could be
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: doing multiple things. Yes, I have always thought though for
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 4: a long time, that it was kind of amplifying, like
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: shooting your soul out of your body.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 2: Like exactly to some extent what I mentioned.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: Okay, I was one of these things you're going on
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: with the same thing.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, maybe some other conspiracy theories. Is for harvesting
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 9: soul energy who knows, you know, putting some people inside
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 9: of the Great Permit, maybe near deit experiences and getting
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: this energy.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: Who knows.
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 9: Also, the Great Permit is a model of the northern
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 9: hemisphere of the Earth, and that's why it resonates with
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 9: the So in physics, if we have let's say a
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 9: big ball and a small ball that have similar properties.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 9: Let's say they're out of metal, and they are the
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 9: same shape and size and proportions. But when it's bigger,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 9: when it's smaller, and if we let's say, put one
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: into vibration, the other one would be amplified to vibrate too.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 9: So this is this phenomenon with the Great Permit that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 9: it does. It's true to some extent, of course, not
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 9: maybe like in the example I mentioned, So who knows
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: what was the exact purpose?
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 4: Thank you. I appreciate some of your opinions and ideas
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: on that. Anybody want to ask them anything, have something
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: to say? What you're gonna say something? Lisa before I go.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I keep seeing her.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 1: I know, I'm sorry, I'm just you know, just that
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about the Pyramids and Orion.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you said this, but it's interesting how
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: they already knew what I think they did, that it
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  Speaker 1: was the birthplace of stars, that it was the birthplace
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  Speaker 1: the Nebula was the birthplace of the stars, and that
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  Speaker 1: you see that being I guess repeated throughout all of
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  Speaker 1: the ancient civilizations in whatever they left, that it was
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  Speaker 1: revered by dependent I mean, regardless of where on the
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  Speaker 1: planet these civilizations were.
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  Speaker 9: Yes, there are strange connections between plenty of isolated cultures,
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  Speaker 9: both not only by space let's say America and teach it,
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  Speaker 9: but also by time. Some people from three thousand years
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  Speaker 9: before or current here are some people five hundred.
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  Speaker 2: Years ago or one thousand years ago.
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  Speaker 9: So yes, there are plenty of different similarities that are crazy,
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  Speaker 9: and in my opinion, I analyze them very deeply beyond
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  Speaker 9: just mercying coincidences and just you know, similar achievements of ancestories.
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  Speaker 9: Now there is something deeper going on.
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  Speaker 4: Have you gotten any kind of like any like I guess,
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  Speaker 4: critiques or you know, bad reviews from like academics on
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  Speaker 4: your book, or have you had like anybody say that
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  Speaker 4: they didn't agree with this stuff?
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  Speaker 9: Yes, probably, and even myself, maybe not after the critique,
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  Speaker 9: but at some point, and I still do that. I
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  Speaker 9: very extensively read critiques of similar theories, like the bangings
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  Speaker 9: of some alternative theories and stuff like that, and I
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  Speaker 9: learned that always you you do not need to be
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  Speaker 9: very heavily invested or very no invested is about word,
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  Speaker 9: because you need to know research to be invested. But
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  Speaker 9: I would say, never be attached to any theory you know,
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  Speaker 9: never be oh, I know everything. No, you can be
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  Speaker 9: like that, And yes, I'm heavily reading criticism. I received
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  Speaker 9: some of the criticism, maybe not a lot from the
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  Speaker 9: academics and from people who.
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  Speaker 2: Say like that.
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  Speaker 9: But I see, I think recently last year or last
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  Speaker 9: two years, the a period this channel, the dunking down.
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  Speaker 9: I think most of us know about him, you know,
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  Speaker 9: dumped the dunker or yes, so I think he popularized
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  Speaker 9: this that not all the bankings are actually the bankings,
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  Speaker 9: and that you can dedunk them, that the banked the banking, and.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's ecal idea.
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  Speaker 9: And I see that, yes, and plenty of the cases
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  Speaker 9: those the bankings are not the bankings at all, and
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  Speaker 9: plenty of people believe in them. Sometimes yes, they're point
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  Speaker 9: to some flaws in theories or even total mistakes. But
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  Speaker 9: you know, it's a different thing than just completely disproving
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  Speaker 9: this theory. You know, just because you see a few
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  Speaker 9: holes doesn't mean that everything is completely wrong. And I
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  Speaker 9: see some opinions in the bunkings like that. And that's
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  Speaker 9: why I also very often say that I speculated theorist.
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  Speaker 9: I do not know if it is true, because how
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  Speaker 9: can I be so sure about you know, so I
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  Speaker 9: can't defend the theory. You know, this is not This
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  Speaker 9: is like the old school. I will defend this theory
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  Speaker 9: with all the things, But why defending it so badly
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  Speaker 9: when at the end it will turn out to be
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  Speaker 9: let's say, eighty percent or seventy percent wrong. The better
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  Speaker 9: route is to just speculate, admit that you are speculating theorizing.
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  Speaker 9: And my own idea is not to show, oh, attant
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  Speaker 9: this was real and others.
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  Speaker 2: Are you know, faults that they do not believe in it.
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  Speaker 9: No, I'm saying that there is much there's there are much,
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  Speaker 9: many more possibilities both to our history, both to our universe,
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  Speaker 9: to both to ourselves and to plenty other areas of
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  Speaker 9: our lives that there is much more, and you need
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  Speaker 9: to see in it to go out of the schematics,
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  Speaker 9: out of your let's say, belief systems, out of your
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  Speaker 9: paradigm's dog mass and so on, and just see everything.
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  Speaker 2: And I pointed, I'm a little bit a critic of science.
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  Speaker 9: I'm not totally anti science, but they see also flaws,
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  Speaker 9: just as sciences see flaws, and I'll turnative theories.
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  Speaker 2: I see flaws in science. So I think that's the
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  Speaker 2: best way.
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  Speaker 9: You know, everyone is giving each other feedback, but always
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  Speaker 9: be the most open minded. For instance, if I right
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  Speaker 9: now want to let's say I know nothing. I just
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 9: am here sitting. If I wanted to know anything, let's
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  Speaker 9: say I want to gather information about the reality that's
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  Speaker 9: around me.
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't assume anything.
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  Speaker 9: Maybe that oh okay, I see it, so this exists proudly.
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  Speaker 9: But I wouldn't assume, oh okay, only black Israel white isn't.
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  Speaker 2: Real, or only these colors are real.
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  Speaker 9: And this is to some extent what science is telling
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  Speaker 9: us with its base in fundamentals, with assumptions like materialism naturalism,
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  Speaker 9: so there is nothing super natural and only math work exists,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 9: and so on and so on.
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  Speaker 2: These are limiting stuff.
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  Speaker 9: These are like I would say, you know, different sunglasses
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  Speaker 9: if I know, I see the world as it is
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  Speaker 9: right now, but if I put the sunglasses, it wouldn't
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  Speaker 9: have all the colors. Let's say that there are so
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  Speaker 9: my vision my description of the world would be limited.
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  Speaker 9: The same is with science, and the same is with
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  Speaker 9: people who strongly, who have strong beliefs about things that
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  Speaker 9: are not one hundred percent true. Maybe there are some
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  Speaker 9: basics that are true. But if you aren't a hundred person,
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 9: sure you would you have to Still, I would say,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 9: be a student of life, not to be a master.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 9: I know everything, and you know it's like I say, no,
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  Speaker 9: just be student again. Okay, I'm still learning. Maybe it's
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  Speaker 9: like that I have some knowledge, I admit, but the
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  Speaker 9: more I learn, the more I see how many things
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  Speaker 9: are there that I.
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  Speaker 2: Do not know?
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  Speaker 4: Well, said sir, thank you very much. Another thing I
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  Speaker 4: didn't want to ask you. Maybe we could kind of
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  Speaker 4: talk about this a little bit, maybe start to wrap
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  Speaker 4: it up, unless anybody else has any other questions and stuff.
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  Speaker 4: I know you're working on another project or I guess
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 4: like a book.
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  Speaker 2: Correct, plenty of projects plenty.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if there was anything you maybe wanted
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  Speaker 4: to plug or kind of talk about a little bit,
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  Speaker 4: like you know, give a little bit of a teaser.
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 9: No, I am right now. I haven't uploaded for a
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  Speaker 9: long time on my YouTube channel. However I will come back.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 9: I come back recently in my Polish channel, so now
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 9: I will come back to my English content, so videos
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 9: and so on. Maybe not this year, but later I
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 9: want second and other books. But right now I was
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 9: publishing books here in Polish and doing Polish stuff. But
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 9: I also have a project with historian Michael le Flam
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 9: a YouTube channel called Atlantis Bros. And then we mostly
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 9: talk about Atlantish related stuff. But again it is one
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 9: of the correct projects. But I just go with the
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 9: flow and just do things when they feels right. So
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 9: probably plenty of projects in coming. I don't want. I
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 9: don't have any idea what to tell you now.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, all right? Uh? Did you want to let anybody
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: know what they can find, like, you know, find your stuff,
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: any sites or anything that you want to plug? I
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 4: know you're on Instagram.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: I think that the best way is just to copy
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 9: paste my name and surname. Whether you want my book,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 9: it's on Amazon, Daja if it has everything already been
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: in English only on Amazon is the version in English.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 9: Polish one is on other sides, and either're on Facebook,
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: they're on YouTube. If you find Alexander Tishkevitch, it's me.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 9: There is another Alexander Tishkevitch. So just copy Instagram, Facebook.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 9: I think TikTok YouTube probably will find first my Polish ones,
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 9: but the second one would be my English one because
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 9: my media are greater. And then you will find all
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 9: the links. Whenever you will find me Facebook, YouTube and
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: the place to find me first you will have all
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 9: the links attached to my books. I have a website
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 9: to just Kiva global dot com and I think that's
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 9: the best, the easiest way.
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  Speaker 4: Awesome. Well, after the show, if you want, you can
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  Speaker 4: send me whatever links and I'll at touch those.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, thank you.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: Very much for coming on. Before we wrap it up,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: I will have the other rejects get a chance to
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 4: plug themselves again. Lisa, thank you very much. I appreciate
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 4: you joining us. It was great. I like the stuff
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 4: that you hadded. I appreciate it. Would you like to
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 4: plug anything or say anything, let people know where they
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: can find you.
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  Speaker 9: Sure?
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  Speaker 1: Sure, Alexandra, thank you so much for your presentation. Very enlightening,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: eye opening, and so many nuggets to leap from and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: dive into, so thank you for that. And fellow rejects,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: thank you. It's always a pleasure to have quessions with
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: you guys. Also, the only thing I like to plug
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: is a cult researches to dot org. You can find
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: us there and if you'd like to reach out to me,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: my Twitter is so Leise Lisa so thank you.
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  Speaker 4: A Ken awesome, thank you very much. And Jena Ninja
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: what's going on?
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  Speaker 6: Thank you awesome, thank you so much. Thank you Alexander,
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: really great. Honestly, I don't always agree with guests as much.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 6: Nick knows this because he gets the texts afterwards, but
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 6: usually it's, uh, it's it's harder for me to suspend
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 6: my disbelief, but I have to say, like ninety nine percent,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 6: I'm there with you. So yeah, I think that's great.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 6: I think it's great that you're kind of breaking that.
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  Speaker 5: Lusk.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 6: We could say like of the people's belief in sort
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 6: of these like ancient alien technologies, whatever you want to
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 6: call it, but it's kind of saying like, yeah, these
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 6: arearthurgic tools, and I agree. I agree that that's what
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 6: I think pyramids are as well as well as the mounds,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 6: as well as all of it. It's magic technology, magic architecture.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: Oh, and you can find me at Threshold Saints. I
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 6: want to shout out my episode with Matt Murra, who
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 6: will also be on the show tomorrow. But I just
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 6: released an episode with Matt, who is a young cabalist
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 6: and also a member of the Gray Lodge and he
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 6: also runs our Gray Lodge YouTube channel. So we are
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 6: doing Friday Night Nastik mass this Friday live on AX.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 6: If you're interested speculative gnosissism. We're just doing a free
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 6: range roundtable on Friday, but usually.
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  Speaker 5: We do a series.
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 6: So thank you guys so much, appreciate it. Bennett Tyrone amazing, Lisa,
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 6: thank you of course.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 4: And Nick oh, thank you.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: Definitely definitely check out the gobala series I think we have.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: I don't know if we'll go live tomorrow, but I
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 4: think the first part might be up live. But yeah,
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: we're going to be adding Mat to it as well,
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 4: so it should be really interesting. So definitely check that
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 4: out in the future. And we got Bennett, what is
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 4: going on sir.
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  Speaker 7: Awesome, alex thanks, got a whole list of notes they.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: Go research nicelf.
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 7: Uh yeah, just great stuff and of course the rejects.
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  Speaker 7: It's always pleasure. Check me out at broadcasting seeds dot com.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 7: And if you are in the Susquehanna, Pennsylvania Realm Saturday,
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 7: come by and see me at the Central PA Cryptid
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 7: and Bigfoot Festival. I'll have a booth.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: So that's what's just gonna say. I, Oh, that's crazy.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 4: You got a booth too. Yeah, that's what's up man
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: for you. I'm all fancy, nice, nice, that's what And
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: we got tyrone. Let him know what's up time.
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 8: Hey, Alexander. Always a great discussion. Uh, hearing what you say, man,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 8: Like I said, I've always said it. Man, I recommend
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 8: his book. Man, I got it tabbed up, of course,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 8: but I'd love his book. I've read it already three times.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 8: I probably read it one more time before this year
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 8: is over with. And a lot of the stuff that
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 8: he says in there, I can see a lot of
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 8: what I what I like to do. Also, I had
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 8: a lot of questions and you know, trying to figure
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 8: out what is what and stuff like that, trying to
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 8: you know, just get to the bottom of the barrel
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 8: of the information and stuff. But everything that you can
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 8: find on me is on my website, Rebirth Oftheword dot com.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 8: I created a Rumbo account. I'm about to start putting
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 8: my documentaries on there, so I'm starting to do I
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 8: was gonna do filming today, but I had to postpone
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 8: it because I heard Alexander was going to be on today.
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 8: So I was like, nah, I can't miss out on this.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 8: So I'm gonna start my documentary and that's going to
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 8: be on start being on my Rumble. So just look
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 8: at Rebirth of the Word on Rumble and you'll be
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 8: able to find it. Start loading it up probably the
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: next month or so. I appreciated Nick, No, thank.
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  Speaker 4: You, and again Alexander, that's what's up man. That was
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: a really great show, a lot of stuff. Again, very
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 4: impressed actually with your age, and I like how like
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 4: I guess, you know, he kind of looked into you know,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 4: history and some of the older thinkers and philosophers and
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 4: even saw how you came across stuff that way. I
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: think that's rather impressive. It's kind of like what I've
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: been doing myself lately is trying to look at some
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: of the people that really influenced thinking and see what
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 4: they were really saying back then. And a lot of
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 4: them will seem to be alchemists or occultist in a sense,
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: you know, or that's how I would look at them today.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 9: So it even the biggest scientists to know, those who
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 9: should be the biggest materialisms materialists were not the proponents
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 9: of materialism at all.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, very interesting stuff. So it was impressive to hear you.
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: You know, doing the same thing gets such a good edge.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: And again, thank you for the chat. That is what's up.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: There's a lot of stuff, was some stuff said in there,
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: and you know everybody was there from the beginning to
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 4: the end. Thank you. I appreciate it. That's where we
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 4: go live and until the next one, everybody be well.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Lady, who's your words.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: To the darkness?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Find the blazing star, focus on it. They become the eclipse.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: Don't fear. Let the show will be done. And does.
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  Speaker 9: You the show?
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  Speaker 10: H