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80. Star Trek: First Contact...with The TNG Podcast! · Notable Nostalgia

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  Okay, one last little thing. Okay, So the spaceship that the guy
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  from Babe drives, Um, it looks when when it blasts off, it
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  does look like a er. I'm Ali, I'm Andy, I'm Jeff,
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  and I'm Rha And this is notable nostalgia resistance is futile nostalgia nerds. I
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  have Andy and Jeff with me today, as well as some very special guests.
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  These two hosts the TNG podcast, the ultimate resource podcast for Star Trek
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  fans of the next generation. They also consider themselves real world certified nerds.
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  To back it up, Teries and Andrew, Welcome to the podcast. Thank
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  you so excited to so march. I know we're so excited to be here.
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  And like nerd out, I think it's like other nerds like Flintstone's Beneath
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  the Jetsons. Okay, I can I just say totally. We're already.
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  We're two seconds and we're on a tangent. I watched Flintstones Meet the Jetsons
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  as a kid, and I still haven't gotten that shit out of my mind.
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  It was so good. It's so good. It was so good.
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  It was like the best It was the best episode of both of the shows,
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  right, we're just like, uh huh, what more can they do?
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  But real talk though the h the laugh tracks. It's a cartoon.
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  So I don't understand the audience. That's because back then they thought the audience
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  was too stupid to know when to laugh. They had to prompt you like
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  this part's supposed to be funny. So you're like, oh, okay,
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  got it. Yeah, that's totally I guess that's true. I mean lass
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  like nineties minus shows, like all the shows had to tell you this is
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  serious, this is sad, this is funny. Otherwise you would just be
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  too stupid to know. Yeah, and so you too. So you've been
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  actually teaching the next generation for over ten years now, and uh I was
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  looking it up, and you have degrees in marine biology, microbiology, immunology,
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  and molecular genetics, and some of your research has been published in Marine
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  Biology magazine. That's crazy. So my first question is, did did you
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  get into science because of Star Trek or did you get into Star Trek because
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  you already had a love for science, or maybe a little bit of both.
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  That's a good question. Yeah, So for me, that's a really
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  good question. I think I've always been really into sci fi. My parents
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  were into sci fi, and so, as the good parents they are,
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  they indoctrinated me young and so i've and I've always had the scientist's mind.
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  I'm you know, one of my mentors told me, when you go and
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  see little kids at like a science stare, you can already tell which ones
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  are going to be the scientists and which ones are not because of how they
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  describe things. Right, the science e kid is going to describe the cow
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  by saying they have four legs, they have a nose like this, their
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  tail is this length, and all this stuff, and the you know,
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  the nonscience kid is going to be like it goes move. So I was
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  always that kid who was like extra, who was doing extra. So I
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  was kind of always into science. I don't think Star Trek made me more
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  of a scientist. I think I just had that connection to it because I
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  could see what was possible. Like that's what sci fi means to me.
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  It's what science could make possible, which I think is really really cool.
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  But that's a great question. I've never thought of that. So I'm so
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  curious, Andreas, what's your story because you're also a scientist. I mean
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  yeah, so I'm I'm a marine biologist. I'm a teacher now, but
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  my background is in marine biology. And thank you for noticing. I have
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  had my research published in Marine Biology Magazine, which I'm like pushing up my
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  invisible glasses up the bridge of my you know what. Yeah, I just
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  I loved I got into sci fi really young. My dad got me into
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  it when I was a kid. So we watched the premiere of Star Trek
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  the Next Generation in nineteen eighty nine together when I was like eight years old
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  or something. Yeah, I was rad. So it was a bonding experience
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  for me and my dad. And then I got into science because I always
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  wanted to know why something was the way it was or behaved the way it
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  did. Right, So like science has like all of these beautiful aspects,
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  like physics is just like the why of like motion and forces and movement,
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  Like chemistry is just the why between like you know, behind like the building
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  blocks of life and all that stuff. Right. So there's just a lot
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  of whys for me. But I will say Star Trek did inspire me.
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  Like I went back to school to get my degree when I was twenty eight,
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  and I couldn't decide between astrophysics or marine biology. And astrophysics was because
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  of just the love of Star Trek, Like I just wanted to like swim
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  in space and like study nebulas and all that. But I ultimately decided on
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  marine bio because I sort of rationed that, like I could get into the
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  environment and marine biology, like I can go like snorkeling and spearfishing and doing
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  all that stuff, which I have done for my research, but I can't
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  get into space. Um, So I just teach space and it's super fun.
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  So it's like best of other world. It's awesome. Well, you
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  know Star Trek for the voyage Home, they had to save those whales marine
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  bology, so you can, yeah, face whales the best whales. Don't
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  think I didn't notice that. The pilot, the pilot episode of TNG T
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  ANDNG will always have a special place in my heart. But the pilot episode
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  is a raging pile of garbage on that's on fire. Um. And at
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  the end there's these like moon jellies that float up from the surface of a
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  planet and like float around and hold hands together and they're in love and they
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  like float off together. And I was like one I love that those are
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  moon jellies and two what the f you guys, why there's that there's a
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  pink Space jelly and a blue space jelly, so you know which one the
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  boy which the girl? Is so un it's hilarious. Actually, I discovered
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  your podcast not too long ago because I t's my favorite out of all Star
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  Trek. I love the Next Generation the series. It's I mean, it's
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  okay, it's kind of campy. It's hard to watch now for me.
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  Yeah right, maybe at the time probably pretty cool. But one of the
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  reasons I like your podcast so much is because it kind of lowered my defenses
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  down a little bit because being a Treky, it's always been like, no,
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  Trek is the best, you know, Star Wars bo But anyways,
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  after listening to your guys this podcast, I've been like, yeah, it's
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  okay if I critique it a little bit. So that's why I really like
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  that you guys bring that because most are just straight fan you know, really
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  like, oh, we're huge fans. But I feel like it's important to
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  be like sober about things, right, to be like, we love this
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  show and it didn't always get everything right, because I mean, that's just
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  honesty, and that's true true about ourselves too, right. There's things we
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  love about ourselves and there's things where we're like, ooh, that is such
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  a shame. That's true about me? Right, So I feel like it
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  just because we're fans, we have the right to critique Ita versus if we
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  don't even know what we're talking about and critiquing it. Yeah, that's great.
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  I've been binging it. Yeah, so it's it's awesome. I've been
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  binging. And I had to skip ahead and I had to listen to the
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  inter Light because that is my personal favorite episode also, and at the beginning
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  when you two found out that the writer had history connected to the Holocaust,
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  I was like, Oh my gosh, that just means it makes it so
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  much heavier. Now how does that work? And I was like, am
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  I going to start crying at work? Right? Oh my god, Eric,
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  if we're gonna make a grown man cry? Like my bucket listen is
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  officially completed. That was the only thing on it, So it's all I've
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  ever wanted. No, thank you so much, so honestly, thank you
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  so much. It was a beautiful episode, beautifully written, and I love
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  that um and I know eventually we're going to actually get into this movie.
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  But but I just in like an hour, yeah, in an hour or
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  two, the usual. But I just I love how the beautiful things,
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  the good things, the right things, the special things, the forward thinking
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  things that were happening in that show that we're so quintessential to the world today.
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  I mean, to touch screens and computers and phones that talk to us.
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  All of this technology that now exists is amazing and beautiful. And you
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  know, there's a bunch of stuff that was like, oh that was nineties.
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  We're like, oh that was super racist or whatever, like it's not
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  perfect, and I think it's just so great that we can take an honest
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  look on it and kind of my friend always has a saying of chew the
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  meat and spin off the bones. So we can take the good stuff and
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  just really celebrate it and take the bad stuff and set it on fire and
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  walk away. That's great. Yeah, very well said, We do not
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  suggest anybody said anything on fire and walk away, but yeah, racism and
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  sexism said, yeah, I mean that's ideals. Yes, yes, totally.
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  I mean I think I think we also property know not somebody I think
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  especially we sort of felt like as super fans and a couple of gal pals.
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  Like doing this TNG podcast, we sort of felt like we had the
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  right to say when some stuff was really dumb or racist or sexist or whatever,
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  especially because the actors were very vocal about it too. There were several
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  scenes where in the early season, so this is nineteen eighty seven, nineteen
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  eighty nine, oh my god, now I'm blinking, thank you. But
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  like Jonathan Freaks, who plays Commander Riker, refused to film like certain scenes
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  and he called them quote racist pieces of shit episodes. So I was like,
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  well, if he says it, then okay. Well, because I
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  normally all of us to say it. I normally skip season one because I
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  think it gets really good around season three, is I think when it really
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  Yeah, after listening to your podcast, I'm like, I am gonna go
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  back and watch season I was like, Holy, she don't have to do
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  that this. Yeah. Yeah. One of our listeners was like, I
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  feel like you have to watch those episodes to really appreciate it. I was
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  like, you don't have to watch that garbage to appreciate the show. Go
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  ahead and skip season one, Go ahead and move on. No one needs
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  it. Or or you could watch those episodes and listen to our breakdown episodes
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  on those and we're just rant and like throwing everything into the bonfire we've got
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  so like awesome. Um, yeah, it's hoping if you two don't mind,
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  I think jeffire has some fun lightning round questions. Yeah, oh my
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  god. Does it just be a good chance to get to know each other
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  a little bit more kind of nostalgia based and everything? But really quick sidebar,
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  do you are you fans of Star Wars? Oh my god? Time?
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  Okay, huge, gotcha? And then are you just because I'm curious,
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  are your spouses or if you're if you're not saying if you're single,
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  like, hey, how are you doing? Um? I'm getting hey,
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  but like do you have to like date or surround yourselves with people that are
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  trek E's Oh gosh, that's a really good question, because you know what,
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  before Andrea and I started this podcast, she and I didn't even know
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  we both like Star Trek oh, and you didn't even know that about friends
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  for like years, and then we were like, wait, what what?
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  I was talking about an episode one day and I was like, yeah,
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  you know, there's this episode with this character. He's an android, kind
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  of like a robot. Like I'm explaining it as if she doesn't know,
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  right, I'm like, yeah, it's called Fistful of Datas and she starts
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  quoting lines from the episode. I was like, oh, oh, how
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  could I know this? So to answer your question the short way, I
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  did not make a habit of surrounding myself with sci fi people in the past.
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  It was just some It was almost like a like I was almost in
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  the closet or something. It was some kind of secret that I just didn't
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  share, even with one of my best friends, because I just figured,
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  you know, most people don't get it, so what's even the point.
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  But when we started this podcast, we also were on Clubhouse, which at
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  the time was a really big social media app because everyone was locked in their
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  homes and this is the only way to talk to other humans without you know,
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  potentially passing germs. So we went on Clubhouse and started which is exactly
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  how I was thinking of it. I like, let's hang out with humans,
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  but not like too close, which is how I thought before COVID by
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  the way. So we started this club called Sci Fi Matters Club, which
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  grew to over two thousand awesome nerds, and we were meeting multiple times a
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  week with all these people talking about all kinds of sci fi movies, TV
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  shows, everything you could think of. We did watch parties. I got
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  to interview a few, not not just me, it was a whole room
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  of people, but I did get a chance to kind of like host some
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  rooms with a few of the actors from Star Trek, one from Voyager and
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  one from T ANDNG and it was just like highlights of my life, you
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  know. So since starting the show, we've surrounded ourselves a lot more with
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  sci fi people and it has been such a pleasure because you can say the
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  craziest things and they're like, Yep, totally gotcha, like you know exactly
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  what you're talking about, and it's it's amazing. Like I'm not I'm not
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  a treky by any means at all, but I definitely feel like this movie
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  we still has changed me. And I want to say, like our listeners
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  to you, I am an ally so I am, I am, I
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  am there so I size support um. Surely we need a flag. We
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  just out of pride months and now it's time for trekking the flag in front
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  of my house I have a next generation flag. Okay, okay, so
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  so get ready gets at Okay, so number one putting nor yogurt pudding all
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  day, every day, yogurt Okay, favorite spice girl baby baby, and
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  who scary and scary one? Of course that's the one I like. I
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  didn't fully realize that both they all were like scientists and everything until just a
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  few minutes ago. So my questions are so like, I'm I'm a community
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  called drop out. Like, okay, you're like crab cycle, go my
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  slides. Yeah, okay, So no, when you're gonna die or how
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  you're gonna die? Oh gosh, neither could we happen to one of those?
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  You do? Yeah? Okay, this is my least favorite question.
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  Um how how? Okay? I say I want when, because if you
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  say surfing, I'll never surf again. But I don't want to give up
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  surfing because I might die when I'm like ninety five and surfing and I'll just
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  stop surfing. You're out, and I feel like, no, I can't.
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  I can't do that. You can change it, because you can change
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  it if you know, like if you know you're gonna die when you're like
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  one hundred and two. You can add you cannot add more criteria to ok
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  you could change it. I could change it. We don't even need the
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  question. Yeah, exactly change it. Okay. Um, And this is
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  questions I asked, like strangers took. He has to be a science question.
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  I do I do love other things, not yogurt. I don't love
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  yogurt, I think that question. Never. No rozen yogurt, no wow,
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  if the prozen yogurt really really like ice cream yet, but if it's
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  like still tastes like yogurt but just cold. No, Okay. See,
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  my my thing is like I love Greek yogurt, but plain Greek yogurt yuck
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  yuck. Yeah, but like I gotta put some like peanut butter or some
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  natila in it, and then you got chocolate yogurt and then stuff dessert.
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  Yeah, it's really if I can't sleep in the little night Greek yogurt with
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  a little na Tella picks the spot. Manna gives you that like thirteen,
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  So you're like, hey, but I would just set I would just tick
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  the nattella anyway. Sorry, this is what I this is what I like
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  recently, because I knew that there was a difference between yogurt and pudding,
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  but it wasn't until recently that I did research about it and I discovered to
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  know what difference. I'm I'm thirty five, and I'm like just getting like,
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  is that why you bought all those beakers and everything? Pudding? Yogurt?
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  What are we doing fast? It's okay, yeah, okay, this
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  is controversial. Okay, pineapple on pizza, yes or no? Yo yo
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  r wow, divide it. I'm okay. So I'm a I'm a sweet
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  person hint hints that I will eat a spoonful of nutella before I eat a
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  spoonful of yogurt, even with the Natella and it um and so sweets of
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  any kind is like my jam Andrea's more of like a salty seat person.
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  So that's gonna that's gonna determine the end of the rest of all of the
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  food related questions coming though. Yeah. Fun anyway, Yeah, okay,
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  Full of House or step by Steps? Oh they were both good. Step
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  by Steps Full House. I just wanted to rock out with Uncle Joey,
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  Like, who didn't Uncle Uncle Jesse's where it's at? Jesse? Thank you?
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  That's what I meant. Yeah, Oh, I was like I was
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  surprised. I was like, oh, it's finally Joey's getting some love.
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  But nope, listen, listen, I am okay, as I don't have
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  kids. I don't want kids, so but I do have nieces and nephews,
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  and when they come into town, I am one million percent Uncle Joey
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  for that. I love. Yeah, I'm like the rest of out of
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  the car. Yeah, like I am fully that person. Congrats on that,
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  Like I have a kid, and takes all my money, takes all
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  my attention and but the only thing good though, is like I can harvest
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  his organs if I need to. Okay, I thought you were gonna say
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  it gives me lots of love. Oh yeah, yes, all right.
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  Last question, Okay, rather control your dreams or never have a nightmare again?
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  Never have a nightmare again? Control my dreams. I get night terrors,
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  so I have them almost every night. I think I can remember them,
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  and I wish I didn't. I do. I don't get them almost
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  every night, but I do have a lot of really vivid nightmares. But
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  if you can control them, yeah, yeah, control them that bitch,
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  I'd be flying all the time, like all the time that we're gonna talk
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  about this later on, but like, my biggest fear in life is aliens.
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  That was traumatized, Yeah, I was traumatized. These ones are not
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  like scary like et oh you mean like X files aliens. Yeah, so
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  you'll talk more about that later, but yeah, that's pretty much my lightning
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  round. That's one to get to know you and for our listeners get to
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  know you more. Thank you. That was really fun. Thank you.
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  The duality of you two like almost opposite on everyone of them. Yeah,
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  yeah, and somehow we're friends. We don't get it either, well hopefully
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  like pineapple and pizza won't to you said, nothing will. Yeah. So
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  we had so we had an hour ago, like Sarie called me to was
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  like, hey, we all sad to like recording all the stuff. I
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  was like yeah, yeah, um, like what was I doing an hour
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  before? I took my dog for like a miles long skate on the beach,
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  something that Shereise would never want to do. And then I got home
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  and I was like, oh, I can squeeze in an ab work out
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  real quick. Also something Steriese would be like, of course you would,
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  Andrea, so like we're just yeah, I ran to Starbucks to get another
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  coffee because because I felt like I didn't have enough cinnamon and sugar in my
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  life today, so I added just a little bit more. Well, the
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  answer is there's never enough of that. I concur with you. But anyway,
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  yeah, no, we're very, very different. But we are such
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  good friends and have been for such a long time. It's awesome. I
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  love that. It's always good to have that that. You know, what's
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  it todd to Copper? You know what? Oh fox in the hound?
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  Oh okay, I'm a hound dog. I'm freaking month. Oh my god,
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  we're done right now. I don't know what this means, but y
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  you have I'm sorry. Have you not seen the Box in the house?
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  I think so when I was a kid. It's like a Disney cartoon,
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  right, Okay, I'm sorry. I don't remember. Not just atoid buy
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  it. Then maybe I didn't know it correctly. Maybe I didn't see it.
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  Yeah, Russell didn't know. Maybe I didn't see that he caused as
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  a child. I think he did the voice of one of the animals.
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  But one question you like to ask every guest is what is something that you
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  are or you're nostalgic about from the nineties star Trek the next generation, Um
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  not having to come in until the street lights came on. Okay, I
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  have a real one besides star Trek the next Generation that I that I that
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  I do kind of when I think about I'm like, oh, man,
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  and that is four wheel skate. Those were some They're still so fun.
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  I don't trust myself actually getting on them now as an adult, but I
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  remember as a kid they were just the coolest things. They were the coolest
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  things. And my sister I got these inline skates and she was like,
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  ah, this is where it's at, and those things were just death traps
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  um. Yeah, whenever I see some like four wheel skates, I'm just
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  like, yeah, good times. Yeah. And for me, I guess
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  if I were to throw in a secondary, it's the neon all about that
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  nineties, late eighties, early nineties, and I'm like, actually, I'm
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  wearing my surfwatch because I don't trust myself to wear anything nice and it's just
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  like it's my childhood in a in a crappy watch. Yeah that I don't
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  mind getting like salty and losing in the ocean. Well, thanks for feeling
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  all those questions and getting to know yet um. Are we ready to dive
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  into this? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, we should talk later facts about
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  yeah, yes, about the film? Yeah? Okay, Well if you
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  want to watch this before we dive into their view, it's on Paramount Plus
• 20:52
  um and also Amazon. Was it free on Amazon? And check? Honestly,
• 20:57
  keep renting movies. I don't need to rent because I forget to check
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  Amazon. Um. But yeah, so there's some options to go catch up
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  on it. Um. So we've discussed Next Generation episode fifty one when we
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  reviewed The Inner Light with guest Ethan Siegel, So we'll spare some discussing the
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  cast. But the film was directed by Jonathan Frakes, who also plays Commander
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  William Riker in Next Generation in his directorial debut. Was Cool also took me
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  to this review to realize he's the guy from Beyond Belief. Have you ever
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  walked out of a mall into a huge parking area and realized you'd forgotten where
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  you parked your car? Have we go on mountain biking? What do you
• 21:36
  want to be when you grow up? What's the right tip? Have you
• 21:38
  called a plumber to your home lately? How much money would it take to
• 21:41
  make you spend a night in a cemetery. Yes, yeah, okay.
• 21:47
  That has been blowing up on social media and the caption is what your mind
• 21:52
  is doing when you're trying to fall asleep? What would you do for a
• 21:56
  million dollars? Would you sleep in a graveyard? What did you want to
• 22:00
  be when you grow up? Yeah? The bike in Muhama one I always
• 22:04
  think about. Yeah, do you have a pet? Do you have a
• 22:07
  sweet tooth? Do you believe in the power of a curse? You you're
• 22:10
  hearing tested LinkedIn planning a trip soon? Can you remember the tallest man you've
• 22:14
  ever seen? And then? This is written by two Star Trek writing alumni
• 22:17
  Brandon Braga and Ronald D. Moore uh So Star Trek First Contact was released
• 22:22
  on November twenty second, nineteen ninety six, and was the highest grossing film
• 22:26
  on its opening weekend. It eventually made ninety two million in the United States,
• 22:30
  in Canada with an additional fifty four million and other territories, combining to
• 22:33
  a worldwide total of one hundred and forty six million. The film did receive
• 22:37
  an Academy Award nomination for Makeup. Oh but I know that I believe it
• 22:41
  lost to the Nutti professor. No, that was that. Yeah, that
• 22:47
  was a really really big movie too. I get I'm sorry, I'm done
• 22:49
  now, Okay, how dare you nuttie professor. Yeah, the day this
• 22:57
  movie was released, Sarah, the actor who plays spots Dad in the Next
• 23:02
  Generation died the same day, which is crazy. Oh god, Yeah,
• 23:06
  I don't know. I feel bad for incidence, but I guess. Originally
• 23:12
  the story is going to be they were going to go back in time to
• 23:15
  the Renaissance period, so the border is going to be in a castle and
• 23:18
  there's going to be sword fighting is and then they were like, this is
• 23:22
  too campy, we can't do this. Yeah, that's straight out of the
• 23:26
  cos playbook right there. To be fair, To be fair, they did
• 23:30
  have an episode of the Next Generation like that where they went back to like
• 23:33
  Robin Hood times and it was very campy and it was very fun and there
• 23:37
  was some you know, his action and serious whatever. But introducing the Borg
• 23:41
  into that plotline that we've already seen as an episode would not have constituted a
• 23:45
  movie like there would be no reason to repeat that ever again, let alone
• 23:48
  in a movie, let alone with the Borg. So I'm glad they went
• 23:51
  in a different direction. They were going to have data as Da Vinci's like
• 23:53
  Apprentice too. So yeah, no, I it feels a little too Medieval
• 24:00
  times for me. Yeah, it's like and I'm really glad they went this
• 24:04
  direction. Tom Hanks was almost in the movie, but then costumes would have
• 24:08
  been great. Well, Patrick Stewart is saying he goes no tights on film.
• 24:12
  That was his only note because I guess he had a lot of same
• 24:15
  generations so they asked him before this one, and that was the only note
• 24:18
  was he didn't want to wear tights on the film. So make it fine.
• 24:21
  We won't even go back toeval times then, but yeah, in our
• 24:26
  own current future. Yeah, hey guys, hey guys, peace du says
• 24:30
  no type. So they went the exact opposite direction by making everyone look like
• 24:37
  these nineties grunge hoboes. Yeah. I really did not love the nineties layering
• 24:41
  look, and they took it to a whole other level in this movie.
• 24:45
  And I was like, uh, I know. Costuming was just like should
• 24:48
  they wear a sweater on top of the jacket, on top of a jumper,
• 24:51
  on top of a one? Yeah? Yeah, add some more you
• 24:52
  know what else put on top? We had a baseball hat. Yeah,
• 24:56
  yeah, yeah, how many layers can we get? But yeah, Tom
• 25:00
  is gonna play uh um cochrane um. But he signed on for that thing
• 25:06
  you do, so that would have been love that movie. This is a
• 25:10
  great choice for him. Okay, decision who played that from cochran Was it
• 25:15
  James the guy from Babe? That's like my favorite movie is Babe? I
• 25:18
  love that right? Right? Oh and he's so good in a addleoo pig
• 25:22
  I'll do great. Yeah, I think that's my spouse all the time.
• 25:26
  I'll go I think that's a pig part. I assume you want to stay.
• 25:33
  And then my last little kind of fun fact is the company that did
• 25:37
  the special effects they also created the Millennium Millennial falcon. I'm not, I
• 25:41
  don't so. There is a little tiny easter egg where you see it in
• 25:45
  the background behind the board ship for a split second. They put it in
• 25:48
  the movie. Really, that's what they said. Okay, when there's like
• 25:53
  a million ship exactly, I could totally do that because a couple of the
• 25:57
  ships did look a little bit like they looked a little In fact, that
• 26:02
  entire scene looks Star Wars to me. And I was so impressed because when
• 26:06
  it comes to Star Trek emulating Star Wars, it's usually a big fail.
• 26:10
  Yeah, Like I'm a fan of both, but when when Star Trek tries
• 26:12
  to be Star Wars, it's a terrible, terrible idea. But this one
• 26:15
  fighting scene, which did look very Star Wars in to me, actually looked
• 26:19
  good. So I can believe that they were willing to put a coolship in
• 26:22
  the background of that budget. So that's why they can do more special effects.
• 26:29
  I guess it's like, that's pretty cool. Yeah, I'm gonna have
• 26:30
  to go back and rewatch that. Yeah. I mean, I'm such a
• 26:36
  big Star Wars person as well. Like I know in sci fi they're always
• 26:38
  like it's Star Trek or Star Wars. I'm like, no, no,
• 26:41
  no, there is plenty of space for all of us at the table.
• 26:45
  Like, so you give me a little like half a second of the aluminum
• 26:48
  falcon. I'm there, I'm so start eight one zero one one two three
• 27:03
  point zero seven. The cast of Notable Nostalgia has been joined by the cast
• 27:07
  of the T ANDNG podcast. Today they will discuss the nineteen ninety six Star
• 27:11
  Trek movie First Contact Number one Engaged. Alrighty, well, here we go.
• 27:26
  Currently in the twenty fourth century, Captain John Luke Picard awakens from a
• 27:29
  nightmare in which he is relieved is a simulation by the Cybernetic Quarter from a
• 27:33
  period that took place six years ago. He is contacted by Admiral Hayes,
• 27:37
  who informs him of a new borg that threat that's taken against Earth. Picard
• 27:41
  has given orders for the USS Enterprise to patrol the neutral zone in case of
• 27:45
  Romulan aggression. The crew argues their services are better on the battle lines,
• 27:49
  but Picard informs them the starfleet is concerned that Piccard is too emotionally attached to
• 27:53
  the board for his assimulation and doesn't want to go past and doesn't want his
• 27:57
  past influencing his decision making. How many ships one and it's on a direct
• 28:03
  course for Earth. It will across the Federation border in less than an hour.
• 28:07
  At Mohayese is mobilizing a fleet in the Typhon sector at maximum more it
• 28:11
  will take us three hours twenty five minutes. We're not going. What do
• 28:15
  you mean, We're not going. Our orders are to patrol the neutral zone
• 28:19
  in case the Romulans decided to take advantage of the situation. The Romulans.
• 28:23
  Captain, there has been no unusual activity along the Romulan border for the last
• 28:27
  nine months. It seems highly unlikely they would choose this moment to start a
• 28:32
  conflict. Does star Fleet feel we need more shakedown time, Captain? We've
• 28:36
  been out in space nearly a year. Now we're ready. The Enterprise E
• 28:40
  is the most advanced starship in the fleet. We should be on the front
• 28:41
  line. I have gone over all this with star Fleet command. Their orders
• 28:47
  stand. Once the crew has learned the fleet is losing the battle, they
• 28:51
  disobey orders and head for Earth Frequency one four eight six Market one five nights.
• 29:03
  We are the poor. Blow your shields and surrender your ships. We
• 29:07
  will add to a biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will
• 29:12
  adapt to service us resistance of his future. What do you mean the Lieutenant
• 29:25
  Hawk set a course for Earth E, Sir, Maximum Warp. I'm about
• 29:33
  to commit a direct violation of our orders. Any of you who wish to
• 29:37
  object to do so now. It will be noted in my log. Captain.
• 29:45
  I believe I speak for everyone here, Sir, when I say to
• 29:52
  help with our orders, read a let all hands to battle to day I'm
• 30:02
  Getting. The Enterprise arrives to see the Starfleet end cling on Wharf's USS defined
• 30:08
  are battling a Borg cube ship and losing the battle. The card takes control
• 30:14
  and orders for attacks on specific coordinates. Data and the crew are skeptical as
• 30:18
  they've identified different areas of weakness and Picard's coordinates appear unimportant to the fight.
• 30:22
  The card proves correct, but not before a small ship within the Cube escapes
• 30:26
  before being destroyed as it heads towards Earth. Pursuing the sphere, the Enterprise
• 30:30
  discover Earth's people have been altered and are now populated by the Boorg. They
• 30:34
  draw the conclusion that the Borg altered history through time travel. The Enterprise followed
• 30:38
  the Borg Sphere through a vortex to Earth in the twenty first century, specifically
• 30:44
  April fourth, two sixty three, the day before ZEPHYRM Cochranes, who's played
• 30:48
  by the incredible James Cromwell, first warp drive that led to humanity's first contact
• 30:53
  with alien life. Data the board we appear to be caught in a temporal
• 30:57
  wake Captain Earth. The atmosphere contains high concentrations of methane, carbon monoxide,
• 31:08
  and flooring life signs population approximately in nine billion all borg how they must have
• 31:18
  done it in the past. They went back and assimilated Earth, changed history.
• 31:22
  But if they changed history, why are we still here? Temporal wake
• 31:26
  must have somehow protectives from the changes in the timeline. So the board text
• 31:33
  is collapsing. Hold your cause, mister Hawke. I must fall at them
• 31:37
  back, repare whatever damage them done. Assess in the situation, Earth is
• 31:41
  suffering from the nuclear fallout from World War Three, leaving it at a disadvantage
• 31:45
  against the Boorg. The borg sphere is destroyed and the Enterprise head down to
• 31:49
  check on the people and on cochrane ship. The card takes an injured Lily
• 31:53
  Sloan, Cochrane's assistant played by the fabulous Alfrey Woodard, onto the Enterprise and
• 31:59
  sends a crew led by Riker to ensure Cochrane's launch goes on as planned,
• 32:01
  but quickly learned he is not the hero they all made him up to be.
• 32:14
  Who is this sure call and make it turn off my music, will
• 32:21
  Riker? Is that from Cochrane? Good friend of yours? Yes? Husband,
• 32:32
  no good now this Deanna Indiana? This is the good stuff, Doctor
• 32:45
  Cochrane. Yes, I love it so much. My daughter and my girlfriend
• 32:52
  are watching this with me, and I was like, I think you two
• 32:53
  are gonna like this a lot, because you know, they kind of like
• 32:55
  Star Trek, but they're not super into it. And it's because it really
• 33:00
  felt like a horror movie at the beginning. They jumped multiple times, and
• 33:04
  when I was like, kind of think of this movie again, I was
• 33:06
  like, oh yeah, for some reason, I think I haven't watched it
• 33:07
  for years, but I was like, I feel like it's kind of scary
• 33:09
  if I remember it correctly, and there were some jump jump scenes. Yeah,
• 33:15
  So I want to know what did they think after the end of the
• 33:16
  movie. Did they like it? Did they not? My girlfriend goes,
• 33:20
  she goes, oh, yeah, I remember this. About halfway through,
• 33:21
  she goes, yeah, I really enjoyed this. She remembers seeing it in
• 33:22
  theaters. But my daughter goes, that was pretty good. And then at
• 33:25
  the end we have a rating thing and she gave it an eight point five.
• 33:29
  So I was like, hey, right, yeah, right at eight
• 33:34
  point that's that's really solid. Though. This movie is so good, Like
• 33:42
  I hadn't I saw a couple of years ago, but then before that,
• 33:45
  I haven't seen it for years and years and just rewatching it, I was
• 33:47
  like, dang, this movie is solid. Like it This was a time
• 33:52
  when movies looked very different from TV shows, which is not true today today,
• 33:58
  And like a TV show is a freaking movie. Like it's an hour
• 34:00
  and a half long, it's beautifully done, it's got like the jillions of
• 34:04
  dollars a budget. Um. But back then there was a really big distinction
• 34:07
  between a TV show and a movie. And this quality of everything, the
• 34:12
  lighting, the sets, the costume, the makeup, the sound was beautifully
• 34:15
  done. In the story itself, I thought was really really compelling. Like
• 34:19
  I remember the planet parts being kind of boring, and when I rewatched it,
• 34:22
  I was like, yeah, they are kind of boring, but they're
• 34:24
  very short. Yeah you know it's like, oh he ran away. Oh
• 34:28
  let's find like they're very short, and the story I feel like, keeps
• 34:30
  moving forward. Um, it was really solid. Did anybody catch Adam Scott
• 34:36
  in this? Yeah? Crazy, No way is that really he was?
• 34:40
  I I was like that can't be. Yeah. We had to look it
• 34:44
  up and I was like, that is Adam Scott. That's so cool.
• 34:45
  I think wait a minute. One scene was Adam Stott in he was worse
• 34:50
  lieutenant or ensign or whoever. Right before I was just like that guy's like
• 34:55
  looks in sounds exactly like Scott. That's crazy, Oh my god. I
• 35:00
  mean I absolutely adore him in Parks and rec absolutely love him in that.
• 35:06
  But um, I know he's also a major sci fi nerd, so like,
• 35:08
  how adorable is that? He's probably a dream? Oh my god.
• 35:14
  I would be shifting myself with excitement honestly at the thought of like having a
• 35:19
  chance to do that. Like I would totally lose it. I'd be so
• 35:22
  excited. Yeah, there's this movie for him. There's this movie called Galaxy
• 35:25
  Quest, which I don't know if you guys have reviewed that. Ye,
• 35:30
  And there's a character in that movie who's the famous guy and he's an extra
• 35:35
  on their show like thirty years ago and quickly dies on the show, right,
• 35:39
  and then he gets caught up in their whole space travel whatever, and
• 35:42
  he's like, dude, I'm just just to be on the show. Like
• 35:44
  you can here. He's been kidnapped, he doesn't care he's gonna die everybody.
• 35:47
  He's just so excited to be with the cast. That would be me
• 35:52
  with anything to do, just be on the show. Yeah, yeah,
• 36:00
  yeah, seeing if a card that was like cutus always get really sad because
• 36:05
  during the TV show, like when you can see like the tear dropped from
• 36:08
  his eye when he's like getting assimilated, and that little bit of yea from
• 36:13
  him. Oh, it always hurts my heart. And then when Diana goes,
• 36:15
  uh, we've engaged the Borg, I got goosebumps. I was like,
• 36:19
  oh shit, like it's this shit's about to hit the fan. You're
• 36:22
  getting so real. I honestly, I feel like I feel like Star Trek
• 36:29
  built themselves this solid, solid foe. The Borg are so freaking scared.
• 36:35
  I was thinking about this while I was actually skating around on the beach today,
• 36:39
  Like they created this foe that's just like so fucking formidable, like doesn't
• 36:45
  feel pained, doesn't feel feared, doesn't feel bribed, can't be bribed,
• 36:50
  can't be intimidated, nothing, nothing, and like it sort of feels I
• 36:53
  don't know about you guys, but I'm like a major Lord of the Rings
• 36:55
  super nerd over here as well. And like when Sarmon like makes the like
• 37:01
  his orc army or whatever, and he's like, you do not feel pain,
• 37:05
  You do not feel hurt, you do not get tired, Like that's
• 37:08
  what the Borg are, and it's you know, there's nowhere to shoot because
• 37:14
  like they're all such a collective that like you take down a thousand of them
• 37:16
  and they are completely freaking unaffected. Yeah, it's just it's they're such a
• 37:21
  good foe. And I'm so psyched that they were introduced in t and because
• 37:24
  that's like my personal favorite too, So I'm like, we got the board
• 37:28
  for the first time. Yeah, not only are they a really great bad
• 37:31
  guy, like they're just a solid villain because they're just freaking unbeatable, but
• 37:37
  also that what I never get over is the costuming of the Borg, like
• 37:39
  that makeup job and we see the Borg Queen for the very first time in
• 37:44
  this movie, and she had to get into makeup I think at like four
• 37:46
  am or something like that. Oh, Alice Ri fucking killed it asible,
• 37:51
  But yeah, she had to be in makeup for like eight hours just to
• 37:54
  film like a few you know, like an hour or something, and all
• 37:59
  the Borg had to do these crazy makeup jobs. If you look at their
• 38:01
  just their attachments on their heads and eyes and fingers and arms, and I
• 38:07
  mean the costuming is gorgeous. Everything about the Borg visually is so stunning,
• 38:12
  and they do really give you that zombie vibe without being like wrinkled, and
• 38:16
  you know, kind of they do have that slow walk, slow witted,
• 38:20
  but they're really really dangerous, right, um, So I love that.
• 38:23
  The other thing I love is that, Okay, we see them fighting this
• 38:27
  Borg cube right when the Enterprise gets to Earth and yeah, which is like
• 38:31
  the which was so great. I was just like more and more, and
• 38:35
  we see all the lasers and fingsers and botons and dorpetos and everything else.
• 38:37
  And we've seen the board cube before on the show at this point, so
• 38:42
  we're kind of like, oh no, it's the Borg and oh no,
• 38:43
  why they're so close to Earth and how could they ever win? When we
• 38:45
  see the cube destroyed, which we have not seen before on the show,
• 38:49
  we're like, oh my gosh, they actually destroyed a cube. That's amazing.
• 38:52
  And then we see this little escape vessel. This is our first time
• 38:54
  seeing a sphere, which which is actually it's actually a big deal because the
• 39:00
  fact that they had a ship that was cube, that was cube shaped was
• 39:04
  like how we as the viewers knew this was some card we had never seen
• 39:07
  before because it's such a non aerodynamic shape even though you don't need aerodynamics whatever,
• 39:13
  it's a whole thing. But if the logic doesn't doesn't really track.
• 39:17
  But the point is seeing us where it was like, oh, they're so
• 39:20
  different from us. And then when you see a circle, like a perfect,
• 39:22
  perfectly circular ship, you're like baby ball. And then the sphere goes
• 39:29
  back in time. You're like, wait, since when did the technology suddenly
• 39:34
  we haven't mind travel rome directive, don't step on a butterfly. Oh everything
• 39:39
  they wanted the plan to talk about. Yeah, in the future, this
• 39:42
  is gonna happen. That's gonna happen. I was like, you aren't the
• 39:45
  worst. This is supposed to be a secret, like we can't know our
• 39:49
  own futures. Everybody knows that. But that actually is not a rule on
• 39:52
  TG. Well, the thing if I, if I could, if I
• 39:55
  could pickle back off of what you're saying, is like the cube and the
• 40:00
  sphere, it has no like distinctive head or tail to it. So the
• 40:04
  Enterprise and any other ship you can kind of romulan fan. You can tell
• 40:07
  where the bridge is, like the center, which is center maybe like a
• 40:13
  designed effect, like maybe we shouldn't be able to tell where the bridge because
• 40:16
  that's the bridge fire right there, battles right, like yeah, you cut
• 40:24
  off the head and like you got the rest of the ship. But yeah,
• 40:28
  with a sphere and with a cube, there is no like head or
• 40:30
  tail to it. It's all. It all really like beautifully fits into that
• 40:35
  like collective mentality that like it can go forwards backwards like a diagonal doesn't matter,
• 40:40
  who doesn't matter which way. Like, yeah, I loved that so
• 40:45
  much. I want to touch on two things. Sure he spread up and
• 40:47
  so the makeup and effects it's it's it's incredible, and it was thinking of
• 40:52
  like in nineteen eighty nine. Three years later, the Matrix comes out.
• 40:54
  The Matrix comes out, and it's it's touted as like the sort of like
• 40:59
  you know effects film, and like, yeah, I thought this had way
• 41:02
  better like just realistic effects and like and visually studying than like what the Matrix
• 41:09
  was doing three years later. So like I found it very impressive watching it.
• 41:15
  Watching this movie maybe two or three times out loud, I was like,
• 41:16
  man, I can't believe these effects still hold up because they're like thank
• 41:21
  you. Yeah, when the board queen gets in her suit. I was
• 41:23
  like, holy shit, that looks really good. Yeah yeah, yeah it's
• 41:28
  and it freaks you out. It had the right, I had the right.
• 41:30
  Yeah, I've never been so terrified by its final court of my god
• 41:32
  dad. Yeah, they're usually not that scary, but there was pretty scary
• 41:37
  in this. Yeah. And also going back to the Matrix, Like the
• 41:40
  Matrix was a different vibe because it was like mind bending, right, it
• 41:45
  was like your reality's not real, but this is like what if this was
• 41:49
  real? Right, there's and there's no escape from it, and I think
• 41:51
  it makes it a little in my mind, a little scarier. Sure,
• 41:54
  because um, all those ships that the board destroyed stayed stroyed time travel or
• 42:00
  no time travel. That Admiral's not coming back, right, which is a
• 42:05
  lot scarier. And then yeah, as somebody who is this is the second
• 42:09
  thing I've seen star trek wise in Next Generation specifically, are they as cavalier
• 42:15
  in the series about time travel or is it is it established like somewhere earlier.
• 42:21
  It's like, yeah, whenever they whenever they time travel, it's always
• 42:22
  an accident and they're always like temp temporal prime directive. Don't tell anybody anything,
• 42:28
  and the first person they see, they're like, I'm from the future.
• 42:31
  I travel in face yeah, and grandchild and you're like yeah yeah.
• 42:37
  Like they go up to like a fucking hot dog vendor and they're like,
• 42:39
  do you know about the future? Freaks and blood it or not? Would
• 42:44
  you believe if I told you I was from the future? Yeah, exactly,
• 42:47
  all right, Yeah, I was just curious. I'm like, oh,
• 42:49
  they're just like casually going back in time. I guess yeah. Like,
• 42:55
  guys, I mean, I don't want to get all in your personal
• 42:59
  business, but how many times have you gone back to the past? Like
• 43:00
  I have zero so far, Like my account is zero, and I'm a
• 43:07
  little bit but if I did, apparently I can tell everybody everything. It
• 43:08
  won't make any anything. Well if I could, if I could go back,
• 43:13
  just very very quickly. About those special effects. I have been a
• 43:16
  huge fan of practical effects my whole life. There's a reason that alien from
• 43:22
  nineteen seventy nine still looks as sharp and as badass as it looks. Right,
• 43:27
  Like we're treading into all sci fi love for the both of us.
• 43:30
  But you know, just a couple of years later, Star Wars Episode one
• 43:37
  came out and it was like all CGI, and like, I'm just going
• 43:39
  to be very honest, I really hated the prequels, but like those CGI
• 43:45
  effects like have aged like milk. It's not a good look. It's not
• 43:50
  a good look. But then you go back to like Ridley Scott ship from
• 43:52
  the seventies and you're like, damn, look how sharp that looks. So
• 43:57
  Star Trek did a great combination of like some CGI stuff, but so much
• 44:00
  of it was like built by somebody's hands, like to scale, right,
• 44:04
  So it just it stands up so beautifully because technology just moves so quickly that
• 44:08
  five years from now, everything that we have is going to be obsolete,
• 44:12
  right, Like that's just how I planned obsolescence goes these days. So yeah,
• 44:16
  you look at like Star Wars episode one and you're like, oh,
• 44:21
  oh god, that's didn't you sand look cool? Yeah? Sand Racer though
• 44:25
  I don't know. Yeah, but they used so many practical effects because CG
• 44:30
  I hadn't like really gotten its foothold into the industry quite yet. So I
• 44:34
  feel like we're kind of at that last moment of like golden practical effects like
• 44:38
  movie magic. And when they did use CGI on the show, it was
• 44:42
  awful. We thought a lot about That's why I like doing early nineties reviews
• 44:47
  and stuff, because like at every level there's like seriously amazing talent. Like
• 44:52
  even Ernest Scared Stupid had like some of the best visual effects you know of
• 44:57
  like monsters and stuff, and it's just like that's just cool that, like
• 45:00
  we it's that cool. But it's sad we lost that um that that I
• 45:04
  don't know that love or passion. Yeah, I just don't know what we're
• 45:09
  like fatally attracted to, like the new and the now right, and like
• 45:15
  we do that technologically as well, where like I'm not gonna lie, like
• 45:19
  honestly, like smartphones they're they're very handy, convenient, what would we do
• 45:22
  without them? But like, to be honest, I kind of missed the
• 45:23
  days when you couldn't just get a hold of me just whenever, you know
• 45:27
  what I mean. Like some of that I'm very very nostalgic about, which
• 45:30
  is I do not miss the days of carrying around my digital camera though I
• 45:34
  don't miss that at all. Pictures on my phone. Love that best feature
• 45:37
  ever that maps and the maps so I don't have to print out any more
• 45:43
  of those map quests yeah, pages the girl I'm on my Thomas guy,
• 45:46
  like it's nineteen eighty nine, open here, Okay, anything else on this
• 45:52
  first part? I think the only thing was the minus tho like low low
• 45:58
  bar low brow. But I didn't stand like the beginning credits okay, yeah,
• 46:02
  yeah, why because they were ten minutes long? Yeah? Yeah,
• 46:07
  I felt like I was drunk driving. Did you watch did you actually watch
• 46:12
  those? I don't even watch. I don't watch for anything. Right when
• 46:15
  I grabbed one minute to fast forward, it was over. I was like,
• 46:17
  god, damn. Mine was like on Jeremy's like phone, but it
• 46:21
  was like we were in the bedroom and the older TV in the bedrooms.
• 46:23
  It was like casting out. I didn't understand all that, So I have
• 46:27
  him turn on the TV for me. And then the thirst Trap like why
• 46:32
  it still going hot? Like the yeah, oh beautiful with those big blue
• 46:39
  eyes, Yeah, beautiful crystal jaw. I was like I could cut myself
• 46:44
  on that jaw. And I damn I watched Voyager was my was the only
• 46:49
  when I watched when I was younger, and they like overly sexualized, like
• 46:52
  h seven of nine and stuff like that. Yeah, I was like,
• 46:55
  thank you, thank you for like sexualizing some hot guys on this show,
• 46:59
  Like I'm like, let's do this. And then Captain McCard he's so handsome.
• 47:05
  I'm gonna say I really hated his stupid little like combat overalls. However,
• 47:13
  when shit got real and he like lost the jacket, dude at like
• 47:17
  sixty plus years old had some serious fucking guns rise. Yeah, and he
• 47:23
  is such a good actor. It's crazy. At the very beginning, just
• 47:27
  the little subtle things, you can tell how much hate he has for the
• 47:30
  board when they're just like talking, like right after when they when they decide
• 47:34
  to go, you can just kind of see the little like in his eyes.
• 47:37
  It's so good. And then when he starts touching the first ship that
• 47:42
  goes warp, just the look of like joy and content, even like with
• 47:45
  all the bad stuff going on, he just seemed like he was genuinely happy
• 47:49
  for a little bit. I was like, fuck, man, Riccard can
• 47:52
  act like so he like spoiler alert, but so he saves the day pretty
• 47:57
  much by disobeing orders. Is he gonna get reprimanded for that? I probably
• 48:02
  who the admiral was blown to pieces by the time he showed up. Who
• 48:07
  knew he had orders? It's gone, so everybody else. He's like,
• 48:10
  I'm your admiral. Now's your daddy. What happened? He showed up.
• 48:15
  He showed up, and Deanna Troy was like bloody little muscles. Deanna Treb
• 48:20
  was like, the Admiral's ship is down, and he's like, okay,
• 48:22
  contact the rest of the fleet. Hey, everybody, I'm in charge.
• 48:25
  Now. I cannot stand Deanna. I cannot stand she's at least I Again,
• 48:37
  I've only seen like maybe a handful of episodes. Okay, I don't
• 48:40
  know if okay, she doesn't do anything in this in this and I thought
• 48:47
  it was like, while I liked the Earth scenes because it was kind of
• 48:51
  the comic relief a little bit. Yeah, the people on the ship are
• 48:57
  going through ship, they are going through it, and Adiana is getting drunk.
• 49:00
  Yes, well, then she sobers up so fast because it's still nighttime
• 49:06
  when she goes to talk and she's like, hey, is everything okay?
• 49:07
  And it wasn't sent the hall, it was straight alcohol. So she and
• 49:12
  where she at the next day, she was hung over. I'm assuming she
• 49:14
  was hungover when all the everyone else fucking killing everybody, She's just stumbling around
• 49:20
  the hallways being hot. So she's she hooking up with with the second in
• 49:25
  command right right? Well, they have they have a long tangled They used
• 49:30
  to they used to be madly loved, but then he left her for his
• 49:34
  career and then they met back up years later. Way he fucking failured to
• 49:37
  launch like seventy four times. I'm like you, you you dropped this gorgeous
• 49:43
  woman who would have like laid down her life for you to make pursue that
• 49:47
  you don't want to pursue at all. That like yes, And in the
• 49:51
  series he's offered his own command like a thousand times and he turns it down.
• 49:54
  And also, you do not want to be on the ship whose command
• 49:59
  he just turned down because it inevitably is blown up. Yeah, like two
• 50:04
  weeks. So they do have like a tangled love history. So basically they
• 50:09
  become friends with benefits for the rest of the show where they're friends and if
• 50:14
  they're seeing someone else then they don't hook up, and if they're not seeing
• 50:16
  anyone else, then they don't hook up. But the way that she was
• 50:21
  pretty useless in this movie really sums up her first three or four seasons of
• 50:25
  being on the show. And they do not know what to do with this
• 50:28
  character at all. But around like the end of season three, I think,
• 50:31
  or somewhere in season three, she's a counselor and she starts actually using
• 50:36
  her counseling skills for these really traumatic things that keep happening to everybody, and
• 50:39
  she comes in so clutch. She goes to like command training, she like
• 50:44
  learns how to run the ship. I mean, she becomes incredible. But
• 50:45
  yeah, I could understand not liking her in this movie and in the first
• 50:50
  like three seasons of the show, because she doesn't really do anything. She
• 50:52
  just kind of stands around. And for some reason, she was like Houston
• 50:55
  command in this movie, and I was like, why, why is one
• 51:00
  being like we're going to launch insects? Why she's saying that to give her
• 51:05
  something to do. Otherwise she just did nothing. She did nothing, regard
• 51:09
  did less than nothing. So I mean, it's just there wasn't much to
• 51:13
  do on the planet. And then like, and I understand, I guess
• 51:15
  this is because I just heard of that they're doing this Mars experiment thing where
• 51:19
  they're gonna lock these people in like a simulation of Yeah, I've been reading
• 51:23
  all about it and to see how they I'm doing the Jeff Digest version,
• 51:28
  but like how they're gonna react to dealing with each other for an extended amount
• 51:31
  of time. Yeah, so it must be traumatic to be on a spaceship
• 51:37
  going through all like fucking borger, fucking terrifying. Are you talking about that
• 51:40
  nineteen ninety two classic biodome with poly Short made the hero poly Short. I
• 51:46
  love how you made a classic. You call it a classic class Okay,
• 51:52
  it just is you know who is that asking this movie? Though? I
• 51:55
  forget her name? Is Barbara? Barbara the Doctor? Oh? Yeah,
• 52:01
  yeah, she was killer in this. I did like she was killer.
• 52:05
  Don't super love her as a blonde. She's a redhead in TNG and she's
• 52:08
  a she's a just absolutely gorgeous. I mean hair and makeup. Ninety percent
• 52:15
  of the budget for TNG and hair and makeup was just on her hair alone,
• 52:19
  because it was like fucking immaculate every single time, and every season had
• 52:23
  like she had like an asymmetric bob and then she had this like crazy blow
• 52:27
  out and then she had like oh you know, and like I hate to
• 52:30
  gender stereotype, but as girls, Sheresa and I were always like did you
• 52:32
  see her hair. Oh my god, it's so beautiful. She looked so
• 52:36
  gorgeous. She's blonde in this movie. And I was like, okay,
• 52:38
  like I see it. But also, girl, that red per perfection.
• 52:44
  It's firing. Everybody on the ship. Everybody on the ship came in clutch.
• 52:49
  Everybody who you know survived the attack was fighting to their last. I
• 52:52
  mean, they were amazing. Everybody on the planet was pretty pretty useless.
• 52:55
  And then I guess they were building things. They were helping build the ship
• 52:59
  or whatever. They were carrying giant quails. But I mean, we're just
• 53:02
  gonna have to assume they were doing really good hard work off screen exactly,
• 53:07
  because this is like in the third act. But when when the captain guy
• 53:10
  is like, if you need pretty much, if you need to fight hand
• 53:14
  to hand with these board monsters us like his defeated look, it's like like
• 53:19
  and then like her head down on a bar somewhere heard and all she's sleeping
• 53:29
  this up. Well I will say this too. Yes, the board are
• 53:31
  totally terrifying. We already touched on that. But what you may not know
• 53:37
  is that Star Trek T and the Enterprise D was the flagship of the whole
• 53:43
  Federation and had children aboard. So there were kids aboard when they were fighting
• 53:47
  the board. There were kids aboard when they're going through temporal distortions. They
• 53:52
  were kids aboard when they were going through these like black holes and like almost
• 53:54
  being crushed into like jelly. It's just like, guys, can we just
• 53:59
  all that this ain't a place for kids around really quick? They can turn
• 54:05
  into borg come on. Oh, and little kids are creepy in general.
• 54:07
  Like when I wake up and Jackson's like staring at me, I'm like,
• 54:10
  oh, but but where was where was whoopee? Isn't she on the show?
• 54:15
  She is on the show, but she was not in this movie.
• 54:20
  She's a special guest. Yeah, yeah, she's a special guest. She
• 54:22
  only comes in a couple episodes. She's not like a standing cast member.
• 54:25
  But because she's so memorable and so good, it's hard to think of the
• 54:30
  show without thinking of her. Oh okay, so that's so she's not on
• 54:32
  the show. I remember on the show. Well, she wanted to be
• 54:36
  in this movie. She didn't know she wasn't in the movie until she read
• 54:38
  it in a newspaper, so they didn't even tell her. No, I'm
• 54:40
  like that's kind of fucked up. She hasn't Okay, that's terrible. Yeah,
• 54:45
  but I am glad she wasn't in it though, because I don't I
• 54:47
  don't see her crawling through Jeffrey's tube yeah and stuff, and I don't want
• 54:52
  to see her having to fight. Does grab she does grab that phaser rifle
• 54:57
  and shoots it into the air tent forward, like to break up a Brewhobar
• 55:02
  fight. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, I guess if she
• 55:05
  was in this movie, she probably would have been down on the planet and
• 55:07
  been just as useless as everybody else. But yeah, it is sad that
• 55:10
  she wasn't in the movie. I don't know. I feel like this would
• 55:14
  have been great too. I would have liked to see her in the movie
• 55:15
  because when Q snaps them to the Borg the first time we are ever introduced
• 55:22
  to the Boorg like way in season one or two, Guynen played by Wilby
• 55:29
  Goldberg, is the one person in the entire ship who knows who they are
• 55:32
  because her people were decimated by the Borg and almost completely destroyed, and the
• 55:38
  last remaining vestiges of her whole civilization are just sort of scattered throughout the galaxy
• 55:43
  and I kind of would have liked for Guynen to like meet the Borg queen
• 55:46
  and like because she's just gotten some Catharsis like Paris, something I would have
• 55:52
  I would have liked that. And I think that if anybody was going to
• 55:53
  knock some sense into that fucking idiot ZEPHYRM Cochrum, yeah, it would have
• 55:58
  been Guynan. She would have been I thought, I get seen together.
• 56:01
  Pull her head out of your ass, dude, Come on, I do
• 56:05
  want to bring up Patrick Stewart in Around this Time, two of my favorite
• 56:09
  performances ever in The Simpsons and Frasier as well. Oh yeah, that Frasier
• 56:14
  episode is so good. Yeah, yeah, Doctor is Out. It's one
• 56:17
  of my favorite television episodes of all. So we haven't done Frasier yet.
• 56:22
  We haven't have y'all come back for that one because that one's so good.
• 56:24
  Haven't reviewed? You should have Andrea come back. She is a huge.
• 56:28
  Yeah. I just raising my hands so hard pick me and then I am
• 56:37
  curious what your thoughts would be on Seinfeld in the Marine biol just too.
• 56:40
  But that's that's a new personally titleist. Yeah, I love that episode.
• 56:45
  It's great. Yeah. No, Patrick Stewart, Patrick Stewart and Frasier is
• 56:51
  just oh god, he's so good. Sarie. I know you're not into
• 56:55
  Frasier the way I am, but it is very well worth a watch.
• 57:00
  It's like the last season at season eleven. It's freaking fantastic. Yeah,
• 57:05
  it's okase Daphne was already pregnant and Patrick Stewart thought that Niles was gay,
• 57:10
  and he's like, he thought I was gay and I'm standing next to my
• 57:13
  pregnant Yeah. It's such a good episode. All right, we ready to
• 57:17
  dive in. Back in Okay. So back on the Enterprise, Piccard quickly
• 57:23
  learns the Borg made their way on the ship as their ships were being destroyed
• 57:28
  and while Enterprise shields were down. Piccard knows how serious the consequences are.
• 57:31
  If the Borg assimilates the ship, Earth is doomed and so is the Starfleet's
• 57:35
  future. He has data locked the main computer with a cryptian coach prevent the
• 57:38
  board from taking over. The Borg seamlessly assimilated some of the crew and infiltrated
• 57:43
  the decks of the Enterprise. Piccard instructs the crew to puncture one of the
• 57:46
  war plasma cool and tanks, which will destroy Borg organic matter. Piccard also
• 57:52
  instructs them to kill any assimilated crew as the lee shown mercy serving the board
• 57:57
  image a collective, a central point from which they can control the hive.
• 58:02
  The problem is, if we begin firing particle weapons and engineering, there's a
• 58:07
  risk that we may hit the wharf cord. I believe our goal should be
• 58:13
  to puncture one of the plasma cool in texts data excellent idea plasma liquefier organic
• 58:19
  material on contact. But the Bord are not entirely organic. True, but
• 58:23
  like all cybernetic life forms, they cannot survive without their organic components. I
• 58:29
  A ordered all weapons to be set on a rotating modulation. The board will
• 58:32
  adapt quickly. We will be able to fire fall shots at most one other
• 58:37
  thing if they encounter Enterprise crew members who have already been assimilated. You don't
• 58:45
  hesitate the fire. Believe me, you'll be doing them a favor. Let's
• 58:52
  go. Yeah. Meanwhile on Earth, yeah, ruthless, yeah yeah,
• 58:59
  sad yeah. So meanwhile on Earth, they are struggling to convince a drunken
• 59:01
  Cochrane of visibilities in the future, and are able to gain ground by showing
• 59:06
  him the Enterprise through a telescope, they are able to convince him to make
• 59:09
  the flight happen as planned. Away from Earth, Lily a skeptical of Captain
• 59:13
  Picard and reaches a point where she points a phaser at him, but he's
• 59:15
  able to convince her to trust him through the ship's advanced technology. He later
• 59:20
  explains the situation with the Borg and they navigate the ship under Borg attack.
• 59:23
  So what is it you want me to do? Simple? Conduct your warp
• 59:28
  flight tomorrow morning? Does your plan? Why tomorrow morning, because at eleven
• 59:37
  o'clock an alien ship will begin passing through this solar system? Alien you mean
• 59:43
  extraterrestrials, Mark, Bad guys, Good guys. They're on a survey mission.
• 59:50
  They have no interest in Earth. Too primitive, Oh, Doctor,
• 59:55
  tomorrow morning, when they detect the warp signature from your ship and realize they
• 1:00:00
  humans have discovered how to travel faster than light, they decide to alter their
• 1:00:04
  course. They make first contact with Earth right here here, actually over there.
• 1:00:10
  It is one of the pivotal moments in human history. Doctor. You
• 1:00:14
  get to make first contact with an alien race, and after you do,
• 1:00:17
  everything begins to change. Your theories on warp drive allow fleets of starships to
• 1:00:22
  be built a man kind of start exploring the GaX. It unites humanity in
• 1:00:27
  a way that no one ever thought possible. When they realize they're not alone
• 1:00:30
  in the universe poverty, disease, war, they'll all be gone within the
• 1:00:35
  next fifty years. Tensions bill as Word continue their purge successfully and capture Data.
• 1:00:40
  Your efforts to break the encryption codes will not be successful, nor will
• 1:00:45
  your attempts to assimilate me into your collective brave words. I've heard them before.
• 1:00:52
  He meets with the Boorg Queen and they grab human skin on Data to
• 1:00:54
  convince him life as a Boorg will offer him abilities and sensations he couldn't before.
• 1:00:59
  Data persistent on not giving in and allowing the Bork to obtain the cryptan
• 1:01:01
  codes. Back on Earth, Cochrane, while leading his ship's initiative, is
• 1:01:07
  overwhelmed by the praise he is receiving and despises the hero worship he's been given.
• 1:01:12
  He's told that the statue of that He's told of the statue they'll build
• 1:01:15
  of him, and he tries to run off, but Riker stuns him back.
• 1:01:19
  With Data being further interrogated, he escapes, but not before being injured
• 1:01:22
  and scratched of his new skin. The queen instructs him to rip off his
• 1:01:25
  newly acquired flesh if he's so deterred, but can't bring himself to do so,
• 1:01:30
  and he and the queen eventually kiss. Are you familiar with physical forms
• 1:01:35
  of pleasure? If you are preferring to sexuality? I am fully functional,
• 1:01:49
  programmed in multiple techniques. How long has it been since you've used eight years,
• 1:02:00
  seven months, sixteen days, four minutes, twenty two? Uh?
• 1:02:07
  And then real quickly her gag sound here not in a not in a sexual
• 1:02:12
  way, though, you know what I will agree, No, not in
• 1:02:17
  a sexual way, in a disgusted, vomiting way. It was the least
• 1:02:22
  sexy kiss I've ever seen. I mean, I was like sexy scene I've
• 1:02:27
  ever seen Oscar and she is she's sexy, Like, she's not my sexy.
• 1:02:31
  She's very seductive, yeah, but like she's very seducing wool as well.
• 1:02:37
  Yeah yeah, but her seducing Data like was not hot. It just
• 1:02:40
  was like it was like somebody falling for somebody who could not dislike them anymore.
• 1:02:47
  It's not and not that Data disliked her, just data wasn't capable of
• 1:02:50
  showing any you know, emotions. But that's what it's like. It's like
• 1:02:52
  somebody who's so thirsty with someone who is so not into it, and they're
• 1:02:57
  like forcing this romantic kiss on them and you're just like they could stop.
• 1:03:04
  Um sorry, was that the rest of yourself? I have one last paragraph
• 1:03:07
  here, um. So on the on the bridge, Piccard returns to his
• 1:03:09
  crew. Uh returns to brief his crew in the situation, the board planned
• 1:03:13
  to use the ship's navigational deflector to contact reinforcements into the Delta quadrant, which
• 1:03:17
  would easily concur would would easily conquer Earth. With no other way to gain
• 1:03:22
  access to the deflector, dish Piccard, Wharf and the ship's um helmsman,
• 1:03:28
  Lieutenant Hawk, gone ev suits and crossed the exterior hole on the of the
• 1:03:31
  ship on foot and a tough battle with Warf almost dying, Hawk assimilated by
• 1:03:36
  the board and attacking Piccard. Warf and Piccard are able to release the deflector
• 1:03:40
  into space, and Warf destroys it, um epically stating assimilate this, assimilate
• 1:03:47
  this that was so that line was straight out of like the Terminator like aasta
• 1:04:00
  lucky baby. I was like, Oh, it's nineties movies, we gotta
• 1:04:03
  have Yeah. Yeah, it seemed like almost every character had one too,
• 1:04:08
  because, like Danna says, one later, I didn't want to touch.
• 1:04:12
  We forgot about it just now. But when Deanna is talking to I keep
• 1:04:15
  wanting to call him zac Efron if you're not sure when keeping when she's talking
• 1:04:25
  about like how this will change humanity in fifty years, like it's going to
• 1:04:29
  get rid of war, hunger, and paul poverty. That's the reason I
• 1:04:32
  like Star Trek so much because I always felt like it kind of shows what
• 1:04:34
  humanity can be if if everybody's working together, you know, because a lot
• 1:04:39
  of times you see like the dystopian futures of like Terminator or Matrix or whatever
• 1:04:44
  it is, but it's always bad. Yeah, if everybody's working together and
• 1:04:46
  positive we get together, there could be a great outcome. So that I
• 1:04:49
  just I think it's really positive. But CARDS also like explaining to Lily that
• 1:04:54
  they don't earn money. Yeah, yeah, so that's kind of like that
• 1:05:00
  Lily, So like my biggest terror, you know, is potentially getting abducted,
• 1:05:03
  and so for all she knows, she's been kidnapped, adducted by aliens
• 1:05:08
  or whatever, and I love that. She's like, how much does this
• 1:05:11
  cost? Was like, this is expensive? How big is this ship?
• 1:05:18
  There are twenty four days almost seven hundred meters long. It took me six
• 1:05:26
  months to scrounge up enough titanium just to build up for me to cockpit.
• 1:05:35
  How much does this thing cost? The economics of the future is somewhat different.
• 1:05:43
  You see, money doesn't exist in the twenty fourth setary. No money,
• 1:05:49
  you mean, you don't get bade. The acquisition of wealth is no
• 1:05:54
  longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the
• 1:06:00
  rest of humanity. Yea, yeah, because she was like, it took
• 1:06:05
  me six months to get enough scrap metal to make the cockprit of Cochrane's ship,
• 1:06:10
  which is they call it the Phoenix, which is just like a refitted
• 1:06:13
  missile. So it's just it's like a it's a missile, and it's the
• 1:06:16
  whole starship with titanium whatever, whatever, you know, throughout all the whole
• 1:06:21
  um. So many things that you said in that in that summary that I'm
• 1:06:26
  just like, there's a lot going on. So okay, first of all,
• 1:06:30
  this is the Bourgs big plant. They're gonna go back in time.
• 1:06:31
  They're gonna keep Cochrane from flying this ship, this missile which is going to
• 1:06:36
  be a warp capable ship, which is going to attract these these aliens.
• 1:06:40
  And then it's gonna tell the Earthlings you're not alone in the universe, which
• 1:06:43
  is what combines them all together in unity, and they're they're you know,
• 1:06:45
  there's greater things in the world and whatever, and somehow that wonderful unity ends
• 1:06:50
  poverty, sickness, war, and famine. Great. Yeay, so all
• 1:06:53
  we need is aliens. That's wonderful because all the other alien movies make it
• 1:06:56
  seem like we don't unify, that's scenario. But hey, so this is
• 1:07:01
  a big deal, you know, and so many things. I thought.
• 1:07:04
  One of the things was again, like I said before, oh, the
• 1:07:06
  board can go back in time, like, oh, now we can too,
• 1:07:10
  because we could just like do what they did. Can we just was
• 1:07:15
  in there too? They do we create the temporal rift? I was like,
• 1:07:17
  oh, just recreate it? So then I was like, wait,
• 1:07:20
  do they even need to be here? Can't they just make a temporal rift
• 1:07:24
  like by Mars and then swing around to Earth without isn't even know, like,
• 1:07:27
  can't they be in the delta quadron and make a rift and come on
• 1:07:30
  over to the Alpha and just do this anyways whatever, That doesn't matter seriously,
• 1:07:33
  because if I could create a temper rift, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:07:35
  hey, I go ahead and susulate all humans. I'm going to create a
• 1:07:38
  temper rift for ten minutes before your temple raf. We're just gonna We're just
• 1:07:44
  gonna back to the future. All were just in a rifty rifty rifty pants,
• 1:07:47
  like do we get it right? Like, so that was one thing,
• 1:07:50
  but when but when they come through and Lily's looking up back when she's
• 1:07:55
  on the camp and she looks up and she's like, what's that? And
• 1:07:57
  Cochrane's like space or whatever he says, and she's like, wow that and
• 1:08:00
  it kind of like a flying star. And then they just start fire bombing
• 1:08:02
  them from space. Oh my gosh. That was legitimately like worrisome. I
• 1:08:08
  don't remember that at all. And they're all running and they're like get to
• 1:08:12
  the whatever, and I was like, what cover could you possibly have for
• 1:08:15
  photon torpedoes from space? What's the And there's a guy up the roof that's
• 1:08:20
  like this way. After a few of the missiles, there's a guy riding
• 1:08:26
  a bike in the woods and he falls off. Like where the going?
• 1:08:31
  That's kind of the question for everybody. Where are we going? Everyone's running.
• 1:08:34
  That guy in the roof is like, come on this way before he
• 1:08:36
  gets blown off the roof, and you're like, where's he waving at?
• 1:08:41
  Where? Where are we going? Where's the shelter here? Yeah? And
• 1:08:45
  then later on when they find like what looks like some kind of you know,
• 1:08:50
  like nuclear shelter or something. It's what it looks fall out shelter or
• 1:08:54
  something. It's it looks like that's what they find. When the away team
• 1:08:56
  comes down and but pardon them comes down, they go underground and everyone's dead.
• 1:09:00
  I was like, oh, I mean even the phone. Really,
• 1:09:05
  where were they going? It feels very it feels very much like those sci
• 1:09:11
  fi movies or they're like, you know, an earth ending asteroid is coming
• 1:09:15
  for the Earth and people start panicking and running around. Where are you going?
• 1:09:18
  Yeah, they're like you just gonna be destroyed. Where are you going,
• 1:09:26
  buddy? Yeah? I would just jump really high right when the meteor
• 1:09:29
  hits the ground, that's my ship. And then when it hits, I'm
• 1:09:34
  gonna be like, well, on the ground, what do we do when
• 1:09:36
  that happens? Is that going to do? You both are scientists, Do
• 1:09:43
  you think that's going to happen? No, I don't believe it because of
• 1:09:45
  that question you asked at the beginning of if I want to know when or
• 1:09:47
  how I'm gonna die? No, Well, I will say I will say
• 1:09:54
  this. I'm a fan of knowledge and math and all that really very sexy
• 1:10:00
  stuff, I know. But when I was teaching um space stuff to my
• 1:10:06
  middle school kids, they were like, do you believe in aliens? And
• 1:10:10
  I was like, I don't. It's not mathematically possible for us to be
• 1:10:15
  alone in this galaxy, never mind this universe, never mind the multiverse.
• 1:10:18
  Right, So I think the same thing sort of applies. Like it's just
• 1:10:21
  a matter of when the Earth is hit with an asteroid or a meteor of
• 1:10:28
  enough magnitude to cause a lot of damage. I mean, I don't think
• 1:10:31
  that we're gonna, like the odds are so low that we're gonna be hit
• 1:10:34
  by like a world ender, kind of like that movie Don't look up that
• 1:10:36
  just like splits the Earth into many pieces, right. But I do think
• 1:10:43
  it's just sort of a matter of time between you know, between now and
• 1:10:46
  ten million years from now, when we get hit by something big enough to
• 1:10:48
  cause major, major, major, like a nuclear winter kind of. Yeah.
• 1:10:54
  Yeah, and we probably wouldn't be as Yeah, this is why you
• 1:10:59
  don't any well, why I don't ask, I don't know, you just
• 1:11:04
  don't ask. But yeah, so we probably wouldn't be as lucky as bikes
• 1:11:09
  guy escape that particular asteroid or me. God, think that I did leg
• 1:11:15
  day yesterday. I could just peddle my ass out. Yeah. So I
• 1:11:24
  did have a question for you guys about some of these scenes, and one
• 1:11:27
  of the questions I was like, I'm gonna ask everybody this because it is
• 1:11:29
  so interesting. Cochrane's very uncomfortable with all the hero worship because he designed this
• 1:11:32
  missile so he could make a lot of money, but the history books record
• 1:11:35
  him as being this like altruistic genius, scientist, wonderful human, best guy
• 1:11:42
  in the world, literally, and he feels so uncomfortable with it that he
• 1:11:45
  runs away, which you know, he didn't get far and you'd have got
• 1:11:48
  getting shot, which was awesome because you don't just see you don't see Ryker
• 1:11:51
  just put pulling out a phaser on people left and right on the show.
• 1:11:55
  So I love that they like did something with it. But anyways, my
• 1:11:57
  question for you guys was that hero Yeah, I know, I know,
• 1:12:00
  and even the shoulder, not the knee, which is different. Yeah,
• 1:12:04
  but my question for you guys was, how would you feel in Cochrane's place,
• 1:12:10
  Like if some future people came and we're just going to believe they're from
• 1:12:13
  the future because no one needed any proof other than the Enterprise in space.
• 1:12:16
  So these future people come and they're like, oh my gosh, it's you,
• 1:12:19
  you, the very special you who's gonna do so many amazing things.
• 1:12:24
  Would your reaction be similar to Cochrane's where You're like, oh, this is
• 1:12:27
  uncomfortable. I'm going to run away, Like I'm just curious. I'll go
• 1:12:30
  first. So I would be really flattered at first and excited, but then
• 1:12:31
  within eight seconds I would get so much anxiety, thinking that fuck now that
• 1:12:35
  I know, I'm gonna mess it up and I'm not going to be in
• 1:12:39
  the story books anymore. So I would be like, why why would you
• 1:12:42
  tell me that? And I'm like maybe I shouldn't done that, And then
• 1:12:44
  my whole life would just be alive from no no, no, So what
• 1:12:46
  about you, Ali? Yeah, I wanted to ask the same question.
• 1:12:48
  It's like, how would you handle this information and the pressure of knowing you're
• 1:12:53
  going to change the future forever? Like I don't know. I mean I
• 1:12:57
  think I would relate to Cochrane, like I don't feel like, um,
• 1:13:00
  I have the abilities to change you know, history or that kind of stuff.
• 1:13:04
  And I I think he's quick to like dismiss all of his hard work,
• 1:13:11
  you know, like he it's like, well, I'm just a drunk
• 1:13:13
  who wants money. But like no, you're like you just created warp speed
• 1:13:15
  Like that's insane. Like so, I don't know. It's really tough to
• 1:13:18
  even consider how you would react to this, But I think I would be,
• 1:13:23
  like I would be very skeptical for sure. Yeah. Well I don't
• 1:13:27
  think he's just doing it for money and like a islandfole of naked women,
• 1:13:31
  yes he describes it. Yeah, because like I because that's because you can
• 1:13:34
  make money, like I like, you can make money doing a bunch of
• 1:13:38
  different things that you can like you know, higher sex workers. Right,
• 1:13:42
  this wasn't the easiest path to money, is what you're saying. Yeah,
• 1:13:45
  yeah, but I don't. For clarifying check to build a ship, there
• 1:13:56
  was so much there was easier money with floor hanging for exactly exactly. But
• 1:14:01
  I don't. I don't think I could be a hero, Like am I
• 1:14:06
  a hero now? Kind of arties regularly I'm a hero? Yeah, yeah,
• 1:14:14
  I love. I think if they would have told me, like right
• 1:14:16
  after I completed it, like hey, you're gonna be I'm like really,
• 1:14:19
  then I would make my story cooler, like I'm eighteen feet tall and stuff.
• 1:14:24
  Yeah, it seems like intervene. Yeah, like you're gonna do this
• 1:14:28
  when he's on the path to doing it, like now you've just made it
• 1:14:31
  harder for him to do it. Yeah, right, Yeah, It's like
• 1:14:34
  it's like those horrible predicaments in movies. So they're like, in twelve seconds,
• 1:14:41
  something's gonna happen. Don't get caught up in it. And you're like,
• 1:14:43
  what's gonna happen? Wait? Do I run this way? Or just
• 1:14:45
  running this way? Cause the problem? Way? Do I run this way?
• 1:14:46
  Wait? You start a second guessing like crazy. Although I will say
• 1:14:50
  this, considering that all of you think that you don't have it in you
• 1:14:54
  to be like a life changing hero probably tells me that you do have it
• 1:14:58
  in you to be a hero, because usually it's the people who are like,
• 1:15:01
  oh, I would be so good at that that it's like, man,
• 1:15:03
  sit down, like stop it stop. Yeah, I think I would
• 1:15:09
  be really panicky too. I'd be like, I'm just a person. I
• 1:15:13
  don't I'm not trying to change the universe, man, Like, just can
• 1:15:15
  I get another scotch on the rocks? Like it? Just give it a
• 1:15:19
  minute. Like I would probably run away and get shot in the shoulder by
• 1:15:23
  Riker, which is so hot. Riker's very attractive in this movie. I'm
• 1:15:28
  like, God, yeah, Daddy, I'm I'm Hawk all the way.
• 1:15:33
  Like anything. He's evil though, I'm like, why are we choosing for
• 1:15:40
  both of them? Yeah? It really to choose that. I'm throwing Wolf
• 1:15:44
  in there too. Yeah. All the Star Trek people I met, Wolf
• 1:15:49
  is the only one that he wasn't really a dick, but he was just
• 1:15:51
  really matter of fact, which I kind of like because I was like,
• 1:15:55
  it's more like your character. Everybody else was extreme, you know what.
• 1:15:59
  You know. What's interesting about the actor Michael Doran, who plays Warf is
• 1:16:01
  so Worf is one of the Michael Doran was one of the people I got
• 1:16:03
  to talk to. Andrea was there too and I talked to him as well,
• 1:16:08
  And the other person was Garrett Wong, who plays Harry Kim and Voyager.
• 1:16:12
  And one of the really cool things I loved about Garrett Wong is that
• 1:16:15
  he is a sci fi fan. So not only is he a huge fan
• 1:16:17
  of sci fi, he's a huge fan of Trek. He's a huge fan
• 1:16:19
  of TNG and he has a podcast reviewing Voyager with one of his co host
• 1:16:26
  is another actor from the show, right, so he's like even into the
• 1:16:28
  show he was in. Michael Doran, on the other hand, is not
• 1:16:30
  a sci fi fan. He is an actor and this is his job,
• 1:16:33
  and he was very very clear about that in the in the conversation, he
• 1:16:36
  was like, it's my job. So if you have any questions about what
• 1:16:40
  it's like to be an actor or things like that, he's like, yeah,
• 1:16:43
  He's like, bring it. But he was like, don't ask me
• 1:16:45
  any questions about being warf. Don't ask me any questions about don't get don't
• 1:16:47
  get into the you know how, you know how we can be as nerds.
• 1:16:49
  We can be like in episode three a season four, you are wearing
• 1:16:54
  a yellow shirt? Did yellow represent happiness from your childhood? Like we can
• 1:16:58
  get really into it. Yeah, only only other super fans can, like
• 1:17:01
  meet us there. Michael Doran is not that guy to ask that question,
• 1:17:05
  like, look, man, remember anything? Or what are you? What
• 1:17:11
  terminology you use? Clear? So when literally runs into him and she's like
• 1:17:15
  the first, he's like the first, like alien kind of person. Yeah
• 1:17:18
  yeah, and she's like I'm clean on he says like, I feel like
• 1:17:26
  if she would know what that meant. Yeah, that was so good.
• 1:17:29
  She was just like, yeah, there is a game that has been rumored
• 1:17:35
  to exist. Oh the game the game board? Uh okay, is that
• 1:17:42
  what we're supposed to do? Just roll dice? Like I know, well,
• 1:17:46
  I got the die right here, so I guess I just roll the
• 1:17:53
  die. A game that can take you anywhere. You aren't from around here?
• 1:17:58
  Are you? I think they're just napping. No, they must have
• 1:18:02
  come from that meteor shower earlier. I mean, look at them. A
• 1:18:10
  game that will push you to your limits. Die die, create the old
• 1:18:14
  man, die cold on. That's not cool. Yeah, that's what I'm
• 1:18:19
  saying. Stop him. A game with heroes. Oh you could call me
• 1:18:25
  Goku and villains. There's Buffalo Billies in here somewhere the game where your next
• 1:18:31
  move could be your last. So I have this nail gun with me because
• 1:18:36
  I'm gonna pop this motherfucker in the mouth. God huh, I'm so sorry,
• 1:18:50
  my friends. Are you gonna get here quick? Because I don't know
• 1:18:56
  how much time we have? Dungeons and Dickie Dungeons and Dungeons and Dungeons and
• 1:19:02
  Decades, yam dude, Yeah, Dungeons, Dudgeons and Decades. Yeah.
• 1:19:11
  Season one of Dungeons Decades is out right now, so make sure you'll listen
• 1:19:15
  on Spotify, Apple or anywhere you listen to podcast. Dungeons and Decades is
• 1:19:19
  a big Door Prize production. Well, I've got I've got a bone to
• 1:19:25
  pick with one of the scenes that I was like, what the hell,
• 1:19:29
  Like I got so away by it and it's such a stupid technicality, but
• 1:19:32
  this is what I do. Um when Lily and I love Alfred Woodard in
• 1:19:39
  this role, like she is so amazing, and I was like, hell,
• 1:19:43
  yeah, girl, I forgot she was in this movie. Her first
• 1:19:45
  scene, I was like, what are you doing here? Yeah? Right,
• 1:19:47
  But like she's just such a great character, but you know, she
• 1:19:50
  she thinks she's been abducted. She's freaked out, right. The card is
• 1:19:55
  like leading her through the Jeffreys tubes and stuff, and she's got a phaser
• 1:19:57
  pointed at him, and he eventually convinces her that this isn't a heist,
• 1:20:03
  like they haven't kidnapped her, Like she was knocked out and they saved her,
• 1:20:08
  right. And the way that he convinces her is by opening a panel
• 1:20:11
  in the wall and she could see the earth down below them. And I
• 1:20:15
  was like, okay, pause pause, Like I immediately was like no,
• 1:20:18
  because there are many a door on the Enterprise d E F W X y
• 1:20:25
  Z that have like cargo doors that you open for like shuttlecrafts to go in
• 1:20:28
  and out or like cargo to be shuttled in and out. Right, that
• 1:20:30
  has like a force field so you can look out in the space and the
• 1:20:32
  force field is dropped in the ship like flies through the shuttle bay. What
• 1:20:36
  the fuck was the purpose as a door? It's that door for it's at
• 1:20:41
  hiphip. Yeah, fall down and fall out of the space and fall into
• 1:20:45
  an atmosphere. Yeah there. At first, I was like, oh,
• 1:20:51
  they have a window in the Jeffreys tube, you know, so you could
• 1:20:55
  like whistle while you work, you can stare out at space while you're working.
• 1:20:58
  I mean, why would there be a window there? But when he
• 1:21:00
  touches it and there's a force field, I'm like, wait a minute,
• 1:21:01
  that's not a window door. It's only big enough for a fourteen year old
• 1:21:09
  child to fall through. That's it. There's no cargo coming in out of
• 1:21:14
  there. Also that door. Now, I know you guys are not all
• 1:21:15
  big trekis, but like when you've got a cargo bay or a shuttle bay,
• 1:21:19
  it is a big ass warehouse with like giant like airplane hangar door right,
• 1:21:26
  Like it's a huge this. I was like, and why is it
• 1:21:29
  way down here? Yeah? Why why is it you're at all? I
• 1:21:32
  guess At one time I was on a tear about that for about ten minutes.
• 1:21:39
  I was writing my notes, like pushing them about real heart on my
• 1:21:42
  laptop, like this is some fucking bullshit. Okay, let me talk about
• 1:21:47
  something. Let me talk about something I loved. Okay, you're right,
• 1:21:50
  that was that was stupider than I even thought I just was. I just
• 1:21:53
  was like, oh, that's why is there a force field at the window.
• 1:21:55
  That's not a window. That was all I thought. He plays to
• 1:21:58
  accidentally get air locked out while you're in the middle the working button in your
• 1:22:02
  Oh alright, phock. So two of the things I really loved about this
• 1:22:11
  whole section that you just read was the battle with the Borg in front of
• 1:22:15
  engineering and the battle with the Borg on the whole of the ship. Like
• 1:22:18
  those were some of the fullest battle scenes I've ever seen in my life.
• 1:22:23
  The battle with the Borg where you know. So the thing with the Borg
• 1:22:26
  is, you know, for the uninitiated, the uninitiated, is that they
• 1:22:28
  adapt really really quickly. So that's why Warf kept saying, we can only
• 1:22:30
  shoot them a certain number of times before their technology adapts, and when one
• 1:22:33
  of them adapts, they all adapt. So you can only shoot them with
• 1:22:35
  you know, weapons of a certain caliber a few times before they just adapt
• 1:22:40
  in their shields can protect against and you need to modulate your fas yea.
• 1:22:44
  So it's the harmonic serve. Yeah, yeah, so he so Worth had
• 1:22:46
  told them we have like twelve shots. That's twelve shots in total. That's
• 1:22:49
  all of them as a collective can together fire twelve time fighting. Yeah,
• 1:22:56
  they can all fire twelve times collectively before they can't fire any more and their
• 1:23:00
  weapons are completely freaking useless. So you know, they take those odds for
• 1:23:04
  some reason, and they're in front of engineering and they're like, the board
• 1:23:09
  don't bother you. If you don't bother them, if you're not a threat,
• 1:23:11
  they don't mind. So they're like trying to get in the sneaky quiet
• 1:23:14
  way. But when Data pulls the handle and it breaks off and they realize
• 1:23:17
  that they're trying to get into engineering, which is where the queen is,
• 1:23:20
  they all flip out, they all get activated, they all start fighting,
• 1:23:24
  and this fight scene was so cool. Two of my favorite parts was one
• 1:23:28
  when Warf just starts like going crazy bull cling on mode. I was like,
• 1:23:33
  yes, more please, And then we see him in the hole and
• 1:23:35
  we get more a board in the face. That was like, dang,
• 1:23:40
  dude, if his gun stops firing, So he picks up the gun and
• 1:23:43
  just hits the guy in the face with the butt of the gun and just
• 1:23:45
  like smashes his head in. I was like, oh my gosh. And
• 1:23:49
  then David just snaps some guy's neck and they and he picks up another one
• 1:23:57
  and just throws them into three other one. I was just like, oh
• 1:23:59
  my gosh, I mean, all that dude is still biking away as hard
• 1:24:00
  as you can. This fight scene was so amazing. And then when they
• 1:24:05
  like sneakily kidnapped Data and you just keep a card, you know, Data's
• 1:24:10
  just like cap dad and he's gone. You're like, oh no, turn
• 1:24:15
  your back on a door. Yeah, I mean, who saw that coming.
• 1:24:20
  I didn't know. I did not. That was really sad because every
• 1:24:24
  time a crew member goes down, Card's like, well another one bites Doue
• 1:24:27
  keeps on moving. Because Yeah, it's crazy how Shiny Lilian Piccardo were this
• 1:24:33
  entire movie. If you look at any scene, both there like their foreheads
• 1:24:38
  listening, listening as shit, it's crazy. They're both in sale. Shiny
• 1:24:42
  left the cap on. But I did like when she goes borg sounds Swedish.
• 1:24:48
  I forgot about that. I was like, that's really a good little
• 1:24:50
  funny. That was a good lighting. And he says like something like cyber
• 1:24:55
  zombies, and I was like, oh, that's exactly how you would describe
• 1:24:57
  them. And then when they turned that corner, I think that's like the
• 1:25:00
  jump scare when they turned that corner and it's all boards and she just starts
• 1:25:01
  screaming. You're like, yeah, that's not sweetest. Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:25:09
  The Card's like, oh, this phaser is at maximum setting. If you
• 1:25:12
  would have fired, he would have vaporized me. Yeah. I laughed out
• 1:25:15
  loud, just like there's such a crazy setting to just have nothing, Like
• 1:25:18
  there's no nothing a lot. So there's this there's this scene of the Next
• 1:25:26
  Generation. There's an episode where the phaser is set on maximum and Ryker does
• 1:25:31
  vaporize this woman who's trying to kill some and it's really sat like he shoots
• 1:25:35
  her at a late episode, it's it is really good. He shoots her
• 1:25:39
  at like a stunt setting and she keeps going and so he like turns it
• 1:25:42
  up higher and shoots her again. She keeps going and she's trying to kill
• 1:25:44
  someone at this moment, and so then he sets into like maximum and she
• 1:25:46
  just like dissolves into ash when she when he shoots him, when he shoots
• 1:25:50
  her, and that scene like has been turned into a meme where like he's
• 1:25:55
  shooting and shooting in Card's like, what, like you don't have to shoot
• 1:25:58
  her, like just just tell her she can leave or whatever. And if
• 1:26:00
  I keep sting she's turned into ash and then Cart's like, why did you
• 1:26:03
  do that? And he goes the food she made was a little dry dry.
• 1:26:11
  But we have the whole thing on our show about the phaser settings because
• 1:26:14
  every time they whip out a phaser, it could do so by thin can
• 1:26:17
  okay listen the faser if we can work our way down from vaporized, right.
• 1:26:23
  It also has heat rocks if you're trapped underground, setting to like heat
• 1:26:27
  up some rocks so you can get all toasty. It has knockover lamp setting,
• 1:26:32
  It has sleepy time setting. It has makes some toast setting, mounts
• 1:26:38
  rock into metals that it can explode people's heads. That's above max. Like
• 1:26:45
  you got to have like two keys to turn to make it something like that.
• 1:26:47
  You can also blast a hole in a tunnel, like if you're in
• 1:26:50
  a cave, you can just turn it on. It just opened the big
• 1:26:54
  like new tunnel in the cave. I mean, yeah, the purpose tool
• 1:26:59
  for us all these days, Like it's the new Swiss army knife. It
• 1:27:00
  really is. Yes, you can vaporize someone, right if this movie is
• 1:27:04
  made today though, and the whole scene or you know, when they're fighting
• 1:27:08
  on the whole h and then that one board flies into space. If this
• 1:27:11
  was movie was made now, the end credit scene during the theater would have
• 1:27:14
  just been the board from left side of the screen to the right just floating,
• 1:27:17
  and everyone like, oh that's so funny. You know, Oh day
• 1:27:21
  that was a missed opportunity. Yeah. I was going to say, the
• 1:27:24
  five of us are starting a petition to make that movie I out years ago.
• 1:27:30
  I would watch the end credits, which I never watched credits if I
• 1:27:32
  knew that was at the end, right, Yeah, I would watch it
• 1:27:34
  just to see the board, being like its real, you know, I
• 1:27:39
  like, really the board. Yeah. I always like watching end credits because
• 1:27:43
  I want to like give credit to the people, like the craft services people
• 1:27:47
  or like yeah, because I want to know, like, is that person
• 1:27:51
  that's like fiftieth on this cast list? Did they continue acting? Or like
• 1:27:56
  what are they doing? But whatever happened to man um three? Yeah?
• 1:28:00
  Did? He's okay? So the captain has a special relationship with Data kind
• 1:28:08
  of yeah, because he's they've just served together for so many years. They're
• 1:28:12
  like all like families that measure of a man. Episode two, I feel
• 1:28:15
  like, really maybe made that bond for Picards a little bit in certain spots,
• 1:28:20
  like he said not like nonchalant about crew members like that don't have names
• 1:28:25
  dying, But then he or even when they have names, yeah, and
• 1:28:29
  shoot them. But he sacrifices himself for Data, who's who's not human.
• 1:28:36
  Yeah, he would have done that for any of the Bridge crew. He
• 1:28:39
  would have done that for Deanna, for riker Um, for Jority, he
• 1:28:43
  would have done that for any of them. So at this point in the
• 1:28:45
  movie, Lily's already kind of made the whole Ahab reference. So I think
• 1:28:49
  now he's kind of softening. Well at the part where he goes like,
• 1:28:53
  hey, Data, I got your back all, you know. But I
• 1:28:55
  think prior to that conversation, I don't know if he would have done that.
• 1:28:58
  I think you would have been like, Data's gone. Don't know.
• 1:29:00
  But well, he wasn't even thinking about Data at all. He just wanted
• 1:29:02
  to fight the Borg and not surrender. So they were all going to die,
• 1:29:06
  like all of them, So he wasn't thinking about Data because they were
• 1:29:10
  all going to be goners um, but he was going to take them with
• 1:29:13
  him, and their whole thing was like why that's totally unnecessary, Like we
• 1:29:18
  don't all need to die at the borg's hands. We could just leave and
• 1:29:21
  blow up the ship. That doctor though, is she's a soldier, she's
• 1:29:26
  right or die, yeah, because she's head. They do they hook up.
• 1:29:35
  This is this is like one of my like close to my heart things
• 1:29:41
  about Beverly and Piccard. So just a little bit of backstory. Beverly Crusher
• 1:29:46
  was married to Jack Crusher before T ANDG started. Part happened to be who
• 1:29:51
  was Piccard's best friend, Um when they were serving together, Um Piccards sent
• 1:29:58
  Jack down on like an away mission and he died, like something catastrophic happened,
• 1:30:02
  and he died, which was very unexpected. And all the while,
• 1:30:06
  we find out way later in T ANDNG that Piccart has been in love with
• 1:30:10
  Beverly since even before she was married, but he never wanted to do anything
• 1:30:14
  about it because Jack was his best friend and he felt for years responsible for
• 1:30:18
  Jack's death because he ordered them to his away mission and thus to his death.
• 1:30:23
  So all through T ANDNG they have this very very close friendship. When
• 1:30:27
  a drunk virus sweeps the ship, they get real horny together, but like
• 1:30:30
  nothing really happens and they kind of allude to it, but like what I
• 1:30:34
  really love about Piccart and Beverly's relationship is that they are first and foremost like
• 1:30:39
  friends and confidence and they trust each other like to the very end. So
• 1:30:43
  you see them often in tung like in Slice of Life scenes, they're like
• 1:30:46
  having breakfast together where like she hasn't stayed over, like she just came for
• 1:30:50
  breakfast and brought like coffee and they would discuss like matters at hand or whatever.
• 1:30:55
  And she's also a total badass doctor who was a consummate professional, total
• 1:31:00
  professional, like her job comes first. She has a son, Wesley,
• 1:31:04
  who the world hates except for me and Cheris. We always had like a
• 1:31:09
  huge little girl crush on Wesley when we were kids. Um. And also
• 1:31:14
  he's played by Will Wheaton, who's just like an absolutely wonderful human being but
• 1:31:17
  for all intensive purposes. So I'm like, oh, yeah, totally um.
• 1:31:20
  But yeah, so like it's alluded to that, like they get married
• 1:31:24
  and then divorced, but it's like a friendly divorce where they still stay like
• 1:31:28
  compatriots together. So that's kind of the backstory on that. But yeah,
• 1:31:30
  there's a lot of like romantic sexual tension between them, but like they will
• 1:31:35
  never get satisfied. Satisfied, which I'm always mad about. I'm like,
• 1:31:40
  give the people what they want to see, Like, we want to see
• 1:31:42
  this happen. Come on, old girl who are in love. That's why
• 1:31:50
  we love it with Piccard and Beverly and not so much with Data and the
• 1:31:54
  Queen. Yeah, that's why I'm such an outsider to Star Trek life.
• 1:31:57
  But one part because I was. I did Voyager when I was younger.
• 1:32:00
  When the shows up in this movie, I'm so happy because I loved him.
• 1:32:08
  Happy. I mean sense because like, again, you guys all know
• 1:32:12
  all about the Star Trek, but like he's not real and he's just a
• 1:32:14
  computer that was so smart. I literally squealed out loud because I forgot that
• 1:32:19
  happened. And I was like when she said, okay, I'm gonna activate
• 1:32:21
  the holographic doctor, I was like, oh my gosh, it's gonna be
• 1:32:25
  the doctor and he shows up and I was like, like, I squealed
• 1:32:27
  because I was so excited. Also, since love, since you're seeing Voyager,
• 1:32:31
  if you go back to the Holidack scene where you know, right before
• 1:32:34
  Picard blows everybody, yeah up, um the person who welcomes them when they
• 1:32:39
  come in the major d yeah to the club or whatever. Is the actor
• 1:32:44
  who plays Neelix. So there are a few and he's and the actor plays
• 1:32:48
  Neelix was also on TNG as a Ferenghi in season one. So these actors
• 1:32:54
  and the actor plays two Vok was in t These actors like come back again
• 1:32:57
  and again. They're in the movies, and they're in the shows and sometimes
• 1:32:59
  they cast in a series. And those are the ones who are like the
• 1:33:01
  super fans, and it's so much fun to see because you know that not
• 1:33:05
  only are they acting and doing something they're great at and passionate about, but
• 1:33:09
  also they get to be in this genre that they legitimately love, and as
• 1:33:12
  someone who legitimately loves it as well, I feel so uh like kindred with
• 1:33:16
  with some of these actors who I've seen in so many other types of track,
• 1:33:19
  like the actor who plays Melix. So yeah, that was super duper
• 1:33:23
  fun um. The whole fighting scene was just like the coolest scene I've ever
• 1:33:28
  seen in my life, Like everything about it was so exciting, Like poor
• 1:33:31
  Hawk right rescued peace Hawk, but that was a great that even that was
• 1:33:34
  a twist when he gets picked up and dragged away, you're like, oh
• 1:33:38
  my god, turned, but he had to be back. He had to
• 1:33:41
  be turned sexy. Yeah, scrape across face. Yeah, like scar from
• 1:33:49
  from Lyons, except in a sexy way that you're like, oh, you're
• 1:33:53
  dangerous. By the way, as a scientist, I am astounded by the
• 1:33:59
  ethicist of the borg infection device. It's like, you've been infected in eighteen
• 1:34:04
  seconds later, You've already got some implants and shit on your face. I
• 1:34:08
  was like, whoa blue, Like it works so they do not pay.
• 1:34:15
  You saw that crewman in the hallway when they injected him with the nanotubules,
• 1:34:18
  and it was like he fell down the neck. You just see his skin
• 1:34:21
  turning black and you're like, it's already happening. It's already happening, and
• 1:34:25
  he's like Captain, please help, and cards like ko Like that was yeah,
• 1:34:30
  my last little comment about because I'm in heat. Apparently, um I
• 1:34:34
  I if I saw Hawk as a board, I'd be like, yeah,
• 1:34:36
  inject mead sure, big command vibes. Yeah, he has a perfect,
• 1:34:45
  all bad, perfect way to start Section three and Hawk both as borgs,
• 1:34:50
  but like skipping slow motion through a field of daisy, like destroying shit with
• 1:34:56
  green laser beams simulating people I latte but sharing like a straw. Yeah,
• 1:35:01
  it's gonna be It's really cute. I love it's a cute look. Um
• 1:35:06
  yeah, god, you know what. There's something about that Eba suit and
• 1:35:11
  that like spacewalk and the like mag boots and all that, like talk about
• 1:35:16
  Jetson's Verse like meets the Flintstones with the mag boots like total throwback, but
• 1:35:20
  like, yes, we're in space. Yes it's sort of shown to us
• 1:35:26
  all the time, but at no point in TNNG do we ever see anybody
• 1:35:31
  thrown on an EBA suit and doing a spacewalk. Yea. So it's the
• 1:35:35
  first time that we saw this and I was like, oh my god,
• 1:35:40
  here it comes there. Like I was freaking out because it was just super
• 1:35:43
  cool. Like also, like the nerd in me was like, oh,
• 1:35:46
  there would be no sound effects in space because it's a vacuum, so it
• 1:35:48
  should be totally silent. But that doesn't work for a movie. But I
• 1:35:51
  did appreciate the very like understated sound effects they did. Was like the mag
• 1:35:59
  boots holding on or kind of like the geary sounds that like when they click
• 1:36:02
  hangs into place for the matter stuff like that. Yeah, where it wasn't
• 1:36:05
  like, it wasn't super heavy on the on the like effects, but it
• 1:36:10
  was just perfect to feel like kind of the desolation of it and also the
• 1:36:15
  desperation of like, if you lose grip with your mag boots, you are
• 1:36:18
  well and truly fucked. No, Yeah, that was what the nerd and
• 1:36:20
  me said. The nerd in me was like, um, where are there
• 1:36:23
  tethers? Yeah? Why are we just walking on a ship? We don't
• 1:36:26
  want to use the rope or like a no, I don't want an eat
• 1:36:29
  line line or so Earlier, earlier, you were saying, what are you
• 1:36:35
  saying that you know when your kids in school talk to you about aliens and
• 1:36:40
  how much you know how big everything is out there. So there's only let's
• 1:36:45
  say it misunderstood them, there's only one hundred and fifty ports for this group
• 1:36:49
  that they're in. Oh yeah, for Starfleet, it's only one hundred and
• 1:36:54
  fifty of them, is what Picard says. I think, Oh yeah,
• 1:36:57
  I think he said there were one hundred and fifty planets in the federation.
• 1:37:00
  That seems so small. That's but I was like, only one hundred.
• 1:37:04
  I thought they would say like fifteen hundred or yeah, or like fifty thousand
• 1:37:09
  or something, but like this is a really small old mom plash. Yeah,
• 1:37:12
  I don't think it's don't the planets. They might have set planets,
• 1:37:14
  but I think it's more like spec species. I think systems. No,
• 1:37:16
  it's like one hundred and fifty like species, like I think people in the
• 1:37:20
  Green inst like in their world, like Starfleet. Basically, it was like
• 1:37:24
  like Earth, people from Earth don't just live on Earth, right, There's
• 1:37:27
  people living on the Moon, there's people living in Mars, people living all
• 1:37:30
  but they're all Earthlings. So that would be like one part of the federation
• 1:37:32
  would be like Earthlings, even though they're not all on the planets. Fifty
• 1:37:36
  million people living on Mars at where he's from. So OKAYI a lot bigger,
• 1:37:42
  but and then the other bigger. The other thing I kept thinking,
• 1:37:44
  because I'm so new to this, a lot is writing on them not failing.
• 1:37:47
  Yeah this mission. Oh yeah, and they're so fucking calm they do
• 1:37:53
  for training for years. You know, they've had a lot of craziness happened.
• 1:37:58
  Yeah, this is them every day. There's all some crazy like if
• 1:38:00
  they don't finish it, the whole planet's going to be destroyed. Everyone's gonna
• 1:38:03
  die. I mean, this one's unique because it's like the whole human race,
• 1:38:08
  but like it's just a little bit of a bigger scale from what they
• 1:38:11
  normally do. It's usually a whole planet, a whole system. That's the
• 1:38:15
  contrast of that, like the everything ending and then the cut to Diana Bean
• 1:38:19
  just drunken and a lush and then like, now that I know that there's
• 1:38:25
  Dana girl, this is not And when earlier on when the captain and Data
• 1:38:32
  are doing something in that where the space spaceship is from the babe guy and
• 1:38:38
  she just like, are you guys? Are you through wanting to be alone
• 1:38:41
  right now? I'm like, just a fun I can't. I can't with
• 1:38:43
  you with your makeup on. She has too much makeup on. She looks
• 1:38:45
  like I just I can't with her. I can't anyway, that's my the
• 1:38:49
  first time we think she looked beautiful everyone, But the first time we reviewed
• 1:38:56
  the star Check episode, you're like you said something like I don't trust that
• 1:38:59
  brown haired lady or something you don't like, Oh you didn't like her even
• 1:39:01
  during the TV show. I don't know something I don't know. Maybe I
• 1:39:06
  can I think I might, you know, tip my toes a little bit
• 1:39:11
  more into start trek now, Like I don't like her, you won't like
• 1:39:14
  her, well, i'll tell you season seasons wanted to so she So this
• 1:39:17
  was a total missed opportunity and I kept waiting for it to happen in the
• 1:39:20
  movie when cochrane is talking about like alien species, and I was hoping Dianna
• 1:39:26
  would be like, you're talking to one right now, because she's beta zed.
• 1:39:30
  She's half beta zed, which means she's an EmPATH and like a telepath
• 1:39:33
  sort of ish right, like she can read your emotions. I was like,
• 1:39:36
  baby, this is your chance to be like, oh, you want
• 1:39:40
  to talk to an alien, Well, you've been talking to one all day.
• 1:39:43
  See we're we're like you kind of think exactly right. But oh my
• 1:39:47
  god, in like early seasons, they didn't know what to do with her,
• 1:39:51
  so they just made her this kind of like bimbo af like space cheerleader
• 1:39:57
  with really bad, like frizzy hair, and she just cried all the time,
• 1:40:01
  all the fucking time. It was like when we see those like c
• 1:40:05
  jellies, like the moon Jellies holding hands at the end of the pilot,
• 1:40:09
  she's just crying and they're like, counselor, you're okay, and she's like
• 1:40:11
  I just feel overwhelming gratitude and enjoyed. Like that's her all the fucking time
• 1:40:16
  until like season five when like this other captain takes command of the Enterprise temporarily
• 1:40:24
  and kind of makes her be a professional because she's always wearing these like crazy
• 1:40:28
  dresses and outfits and stuff, and some of them look great and some of
• 1:40:30
  them you're like, girl, no, but like they make her. He
• 1:40:33
  makes her wear a regulation uniform. And the actress Marina Sertis, who's a
• 1:40:38
  very lovely, very cheeky British woman who's gorgeous. She was like, I
• 1:40:43
  was so glad, like they once I put my boobs away, I finally
• 1:40:46
  got to have a brain on the show. And then she becomes like a
• 1:40:49
  clutch player. And I know many many a straight men and many you know
• 1:40:55
  women also were like boo, the boobs went away. But really like they
• 1:40:58
  took her from like space hottie to like clutch, intellectual, formidable character on
• 1:41:05
  the show. So like her beautiful, she's also beautiful and soft because she's
• 1:41:11
  like the counselor side of things, but so she's more in touch with her
• 1:41:14
  emotions. But man, yeah, early seasons. Yeah, so that's why
• 1:41:17
  you won't like her, because it's more like it's like an acquired taste,
• 1:41:21
  and if you just jump in, you're going to be more annoyed than you
• 1:41:24
  even are. Now. I don't want to that like I'm dogging on her
• 1:41:29
  looks or anything like that, but like, there's a lot of serious shit
• 1:41:31
  going on, and she had to go put a bunch of makeup on,
• 1:41:36
  like a lot on that planet. Yeah, I couldn't wear anybody. She
• 1:41:42
  couldn't. She couldn't fight the board from Earth, I guess because they have
• 1:41:45
  no idea that the board is going on upstairs. I don't know if they
• 1:41:48
  have no ideas, so they're on the ground going that's weird. We lost
• 1:41:53
  contact with the ship. So anyways, cochrane Um, where do you want
• 1:41:56
  me to put this, Quail? I mean, they have like, no,
• 1:41:59
  they don't know what's going going on, and they seemingly have no problems
• 1:42:01
  with that. They're not like Jordi creates some kind of communications we need to
• 1:42:04
  cut through just to make sure everything's okay. They have no concern whatsoever about
• 1:42:09
  the fact that they can. Meanwhile, it's like, yeah, everybody are
• 1:42:15
  like everybody, ebody's dying, dying. But down there they're just like turn
• 1:42:18
  up the music. So they have no idea and they're fine with that.
• 1:42:24
  So one last little thing. Okay, So the spaceship that the guy from
• 1:42:27
  Babe drives, Um, it looks so much when it blasts off, it
• 1:42:34
  does look like a Wiener and then totally does. And then the music that
• 1:42:39
  played is, um, I forget the song, but it's it's the same
• 1:42:44
  song that plays in Austin Powers number two when uh, Heather Graham's characters gets
• 1:42:49
  introduced. So it looked in that whole joke about like yeah, so it
• 1:42:57
  just reminded me of Austin Howe, the whole that whole little oh. I
• 1:43:00
  didn't care for the earth thing, blow it Up Powers, I Love.
• 1:43:04
  I was just in the connection with Austin Powers, because the whole joke at
• 1:43:09
  the end of the first two movies is that a spaceship looks like a weaner.
• 1:43:12
  Yeah, They're like, it looks like a yeah over here exactly.
• 1:43:15
  So it just reminded me of kind of Austin Powers. But um, but
• 1:43:18
  I also really did look like a Dick. I was like, you guys
• 1:43:21
  have to do the top like that too, Dick at warp speed that it
• 1:43:28
  looks so much like a Dick. I was like, I was looking say
• 1:43:30
  the same. I'm just kidding. Probably some guys could. I love the
• 1:43:36
  reading rainbow guy, like he's so adorable. He doesn't have the anymore.
• 1:43:43
  Yeah, im plants were so cool. He has a podcast called like LeVar
• 1:43:47
  Reads. I listened to it consistent, like usually when I take my dog
• 1:43:53
  for a hike, I listened to LeVar Burton reading stories, and I'm like,
• 1:43:56
  I love you, buddy. She's always doing something. When I'm going
• 1:44:00
  on a hike. I'm like when I'm sitting dad, when I'm laying down,
• 1:44:04
  Yeah, yogurt. But the Okayna say, oh, the ringing rainbow
• 1:44:10
  guy he is a glory Yeah, George, he's a little shit stir so
• 1:44:15
  he freaks out the scientist guy from Babe and then when the Diana's stops this
• 1:44:21
  is amazing. When the Dianna boyfriend guy calls him out like you told him
• 1:44:26
  about to statue, and he just like like that was a big no no,
• 1:44:31
  Like you really were so close to like accomplishing our mission now, is
• 1:44:35
  not the time a fan boy. But he put him in my come on,
• 1:44:40
  Riker, you're the one who said we need to tell him the truth.
• 1:44:42
  So I just told him everything I should think up. I told him
• 1:44:44
  I went to Cochran High School. I told him the statue. I told
• 1:44:47
  him that, you know, I wear his clothes secretly in bed sometimes him
• 1:44:53
  like the whole thing. I don't stand what's wrong with that problem. Yeah,
• 1:45:00
  there can be too much truth in any relationship. And Geordie really he
• 1:45:05
  went a little far does Yeah, it gets like a dozen love interests that
• 1:45:14
  never ever worked out. He is an amazing engineer because undateable Starfleet person tells
• 1:45:21
  me anytime he tries to be into it, like he's into a girl,
• 1:45:25
  he overdoes it by like he overshoots by like work fifty okay, which is
• 1:45:29
  not possible. And then when a girl is interested in him, like a
• 1:45:32
  really cute like I was calling your ensign Hattie a couple of episodes ago,
• 1:45:35
  this is like really sexy little ensign who's like all about her work and turned
• 1:45:40
  on by his smarts, which I get. I'm very turned on by smart
• 1:45:43
  man, like all that stuff. And he could not give less than a
• 1:45:46
  shit about her. He was like, can you get back to your job
• 1:45:48
  please? Hello girl coming in at ten o'clock. She's into you, dude,
• 1:45:56
  what are you doing? He never or no, he never gets anyone
• 1:46:02
  for Chorty. But LeVar Burton, Wow, that man has aged like a
• 1:46:08
  fine wine to He's good looking. But damn, oh my god. I
• 1:46:14
  was like, LaVar, I mean, um, shall we wrap up the
• 1:46:23
  last portion of this one? I think? I mean we're only running like
• 1:46:29
  forty five minutes schedule? What are you? Are you all East coast,
• 1:46:32
  West coast or middle west coast? Okay? I feel better? Oh,
• 1:46:39
  we're we're holding up the show, so don't feel bad. Have you're wondering
• 1:46:42
  why the show is going so long? I wonder no further. Also feel
• 1:46:47
  free to cut anything out so um less than an hour to launch. Cochran
• 1:46:56
  is still defying about his character and being exaggerated, but is eventually vinced by
• 1:47:00
  the humbling work of Riker and his ability to convince Cochrane and this moment's importance.
• 1:47:06
  Please don't tell me it's all thanks to me. I've heard enough about
• 1:47:11
  the great sefrom Cochrane. I don't think you're a saint doctor, if you
• 1:47:15
  did have a vision and I were sitting at it, you want to know
• 1:47:21
  what my vision is? Dollar signs money. I didn't build this ship to
• 1:47:29
  usher in a new era for humanity. You think I want to go to
• 1:47:31
  the stars. I don't even like to fly. I take trains. I
• 1:47:38
  built this ship so that I could retire to some tropical island filled with naked
• 1:47:45
  women. That's Sef Cochrane. That's his vision. There's other guy you keep
• 1:47:53
  talking about, this historical figure. I never met him. I imagine I
• 1:48:00
  ever will. Someone once said, don't try to be a great man,
• 1:48:05
  Just be a man. Let history make its own judgments. It's rhetorical nonsense.
• 1:48:14
  Who said that you did? On the bridge, Picard and Wharf find
• 1:48:19
  the situation has worsened Daniel's bloody. It emerges from the Jeffreys Tube and reports
• 1:48:24
  that the board have continued their takeover of the ship, assimilating deck five and
• 1:48:28
  six with the intent of charging their way to the bridge with the cruise phasers
• 1:48:33
  no longer effective. Despite the hopelessness of the situation, mcart orders Daniels to
• 1:48:39
  tell his men to stand their ground, to which Wharf disagrees. Are on
• 1:48:44
  the move again. The board just overran three of our defense checkpoints. They've
• 1:48:47
  taken over deck five and six. They've adapted every modulation of our weapons.
• 1:48:51
  It's like we're shooting blanks after work. I'm finding another way to modify our
• 1:48:56
  weapons so they'll be more effective in the meantime. Oman to stand that ground,
• 1:49:00
  Sir, fight hand to hand if they have to, Hi, Sir,
• 1:49:06
  and everyone is pretty much agrees that the should just self descrubt the ship
• 1:49:14
  to destroy the Borg, but Picard is hesitant to do so and orders them
• 1:49:17
  to continue to fight. Warf and Piccard have some words with Warf, saying,
• 1:49:24
  if you were any other man, I would kill you where you stand.
• 1:49:28
  Piccard angrily firing back at Worf, saying to get off my bridge,
• 1:49:30
  as he goes to his observation lounge, followed by Lily, who's just learned
• 1:49:35
  that the crew has to take his orders. Wait, Gottain, our weapons
• 1:49:41
  are useless. We must activate the auto destruct sequence and use the escape pots
• 1:49:44
  to evacuate the ship. No, Jean, Luke. If we destroy the
• 1:49:47
  ship, we destroy the Borg. We're gonna stand fight, sir. We
• 1:49:53
  have lost the Enterprise. We should not suck. We have not lost the
• 1:49:56
  Enterprise. Mister warf we are not going to lose the enterprise up to the
• 1:49:59
  ball while I'm in command. You have your orders. I must object to
• 1:50:02
  this course of action. The objection is noted with all due respects. I
• 1:50:08
  believe you are allowing your personal experience with the board to influence your judgment.
• 1:50:15
  They're afraid you want to destroy the ship and run away. You cower it,
• 1:50:19
  Johan Luke, you would either man. I would kill you where you
• 1:50:27
  stand. Get off my bridge. So what are we doing to carry out
• 1:50:45
  his orders? Dyson Caplin start working on a way to modify the West.
• 1:50:50
  If we can get off the ship and then blow it up, let's do
• 1:50:53
  it. Once the Captain's made up his mind, the discussion is over.
• 1:50:57
  Um Picard Angry is bothered by Lily's persistence, especially since he knows the Borg
• 1:51:00
  better than anyone. She calls him selfish and compares him to Ahab, and
• 1:51:04
  the Borg is his white whale. I don't have time for this. Oh
• 1:51:08
  hey, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to interrupt your little quest. Captain
• 1:51:12
  Ahab has to go hunt his whale. What you do have books in the
• 1:51:19
  twenty fourth century? Is it not about revenge? Liar. This is about
• 1:51:25
  saving the future of humanity. Jill blow up the damn ship. No,
• 1:51:30
  no, I will not sacrifice the end. We made too many compromises,
• 1:51:50
  already too many retreats. They invade us pace and we fall back. Casim
• 1:51:58
  relate the entire world. Can we fall back? Not again? The line
• 1:52:03
  must be drawn. Yeah, it's fun. No, father, I will
• 1:52:12
  make them pay for what they done. Willing to sacrifice anyone for his foolish,
• 1:52:17
  foolish fight, Picard understands the comparison and QUOTESMOBI Dick, to which it
• 1:52:20
  Lialy confesses that she's never read it. Piccard, now where of his false
• 1:52:25
  agrees to sacrifice the ship and sends the remaining crew out into escape pods,
• 1:52:28
  but Picard stays behind to save Data. On Earth. They proceed with the
• 1:52:31
  launch and it's successful. On the Enterprise, Piccard finds the board Queen and
• 1:52:35
  is willing to assimilate again, knowing that the ship will self destruct if she
• 1:52:39
  lets Data go free. However, it appears Data has given into the Queen
• 1:52:43
  and overrides the self destruction of the Enterprise. She orders Data to destroy Cochrane
• 1:52:46
  ship. As Data sends out missiles to destroy it. However, the missiles
• 1:52:50
  miss and data shows he has not given into the board. He stays resistance
• 1:52:56
  futile in their mantra and breaks the cooling tank, destroying the Queen. The
• 1:53:00
  board defeated and Piccard's ship saved. Coming out of the warp, Speed Cochrane
• 1:53:05
  is humble, then has the new lease on life. When they arrived back
• 1:53:09
  on Earth, they await the arrival of the first alien contact ship, the
• 1:53:12
  Vulcan, and restoring Earth's timeline. Confident, Piccard sets their track back to
• 1:53:15
  the twenty fourth century, assured their future is safe. Report the Bon's gravitation
• 1:53:21
  will feel obscured our warp signature the Balcans did not detect us. Captain,
• 1:53:25
  I've reconfigured our warp field to match the coronamentric readings at the board. Speed
• 1:53:28
  recreate the vortex to come out. I sir, all decks report ready helm
• 1:53:32
  standing by data, laying a course for the twenty fourth century. I suspect
• 1:53:38
  future is they are waiting for us. Of course, laated, sir,
• 1:53:44
  make it so bump again. I think Piccard is set. It's a great
• 1:54:00
  actor. When he gets mad at Lily and he goes no, and he
• 1:54:03
  yells like that. It made me feel sad and kind of scared and like
• 1:54:06
  kind of worried at the same time, because before that he was telling Lily
• 1:54:10
  like, this is my home, you know, because she's like, I
• 1:54:12
  don't think I could be way away from home that long, and he goes,
• 1:54:14
  this is my home. So it kind of adds into the point where
• 1:54:16
  it's like, why do we keep giving into these people? We need to
• 1:54:19
  like fight back. But then he kind of realizes like, well, at
• 1:54:23
  what point do you know, like then it's no longer beneficial for anybody.
• 1:54:27
  But god damn Paccard can act. I love him so much. When he
• 1:54:30
  yells at par or when he yells at Warf, I'm like, oh,
• 1:54:33
  I feel so bad for Warf ian whole yeah, the whole scene or wharf.
• 1:54:39
  So this is also a big deal because Warf has never talked back to
• 1:54:43
  Captain Paccard ever, like never, and I think, you know, the
• 1:54:46
  only person who really disagrees with Piccard openly is Riker, but not in front
• 1:54:50
  of the crew, like behind closed doors, you know, something more appropriate.
• 1:54:54
  But for Warf to just be yelling at him on the bridge helps you
• 1:54:58
  know it's serious. And when that when that crewman comes up and he's all
• 1:55:00
  bloody and he's like, our weapons don't work anymore. And Picard's like,
• 1:55:03
  fight hand to hand, and they just look at him, like what fight
• 1:55:06
  the board hand? They were like freaking like cutting saws bus sauce, they
• 1:55:12
  have bus saws on their hands. Yeah, hand to hand. Yeah,
• 1:55:15
  you cannot win an arm wrestling contest with these mofos. Okay, someone who
• 1:55:19
  had no arms who instead has like freaking weapons for a clause for arms.
• 1:55:26
  Yeah, this was a terrible plan. And you just see everybody looking at
• 1:55:28
  him and he's just okay, yes, sir, And so Worf. For
• 1:55:30
  Warf to disagree was a big deal. We did see at the beginning of
• 1:55:33
  this movie that Worf has commanded his own ship. He's a captain now,
• 1:55:36
  he's not like an underling, so he does have more of a say,
• 1:55:40
  and he is kind of captain to captain, but this isn't his ship,
• 1:55:43
  so he doesn't really have the right to say it technically, but oh my
• 1:55:45
  gosh, he was absolutely right to be like, are you out of your
• 1:55:48
  mind? We cannot fight hand to hand with these crazy cyber zombies. Um,
• 1:55:54
  And that whole scene was great, so powerful too well, so much
• 1:55:59
  too for him to like kind of back away from a fight just is like,
• 1:56:01
  hey, Piccard man, this is you know, I'd like a fight
• 1:56:04
  just like anybody else, but this is yeah, futile, what are we
• 1:56:08
  doing here? That's true? And I was just thinking while while you were
• 1:56:11
  reading that synopsis, I was thinking back to that whole battle and how freaking
• 1:56:15
  cool it was and how Warf pulled like a blade out of his back pocket
• 1:56:19
  to fight, and I was just thinking two things. One, um,
• 1:56:23
  don't kill any blades when you have an EVA suit on. Now, I
• 1:56:26
  never have sharp things. Because that was my first though. I was like,
• 1:56:29
  Buddy puncture much like, yeah, I didn't think that until just now,
• 1:56:33
  and I was like, wow, that was a horrible idea. But
• 1:56:35
  then two, it looked so cool when he was like chopping off limbs in
• 1:56:40
  space, and I was just like, a wharf is just the best.
• 1:56:42
  Ever. So when he said like, if you were any other man,
• 1:56:45
  I would kill you where you stand, I would say, unless it was
• 1:56:47
  Richer Data or Picard, any other person in all of Starfleet, he would
• 1:56:53
  have absolutely chopped into bits and kept it moving, and he would have been
• 1:56:56
  like, I'm in charge now mofos, we're all getting off this ship.
• 1:57:00
  Yeah, absolutely, what would happen? Well? I mean I also think
• 1:57:02
  too, like had this been season one or two, Warf who was just
• 1:57:05
  like only a warrior that was later, Yeah, he was like mister jump
• 1:57:12
  into battle even when they're like, didn't need to be a jumping into battle.
• 1:57:16
  I love like it shows like his maturity and like how much his character
• 1:57:19
  has grown where he's like Captain, the fight is pointless, it's it's completely
• 1:57:26
  over, and like sacrificing ourselves now is not going to accomplish anything, like
• 1:57:31
  live to fight another day is not the credo that Worf would ever have subscribe
• 1:57:36
  to, like in earlier seasons. But I love to see that growth in
• 1:57:41
  him where he's like it's it's pointless, it's over. And then to have
• 1:57:45
  them, you know, Picard and Warf like yelling at each other, it's
• 1:57:48
  like damn one. I think it shows how desperate the situation is because those
• 1:57:55
  two people would never speak to each other like that. They have too many
• 1:57:59
  years of near missus and close escapes and barely made it by the skin of
• 1:58:03
  your teeth. They just have too much like a history in respect for each
• 1:58:05
  other to ever talk to each other like that. And you know what,
• 1:58:12
  Lily and Wharf, they were both right. Like this is deeply, deeply
• 1:58:16
  personal for Jean Piccard because he was kidnapped and assimilated against his will, and
• 1:58:21
  he for those who are not superstar treky, like he ended up against his
• 1:58:28
  will when he was Borg for like a hot minute, gave away like the
• 1:58:31
  command codes to the borg like for all the ships, and so you know,
• 1:58:36
  hundreds of like starflight ships like met this Borg ship like trying to battle,
• 1:58:41
  and they all were destroyed, like thousands and thousands of people lost their
• 1:58:45
  lives because Piccard, against his will, like gave up the command codes to
• 1:58:50
  like everything right. So he still feels a tremendous amount of like shame and
• 1:58:57
  guilt and pain for like having done. And there are some episodes where he
• 1:59:01
  cries about it where he's like I should have been stronger, I should have
• 1:59:04
  I should have It's like, buddy, you were assimilated against your will,
• 1:59:08
  like you had like drills going into your brain, like what what were you
• 1:59:10
  going to do? What were you going to do? But like it's deeply
• 1:59:14
  personal. It's deeply personal for him, and he cannot see the forest for
• 1:59:17
  the trees. You know, he's just like so laser focused on like killing
• 1:59:23
  these borg but it's like, buddy, it's a collective, like you kill
• 1:59:26
  one hundred and doesn't make a dent of a difference, like live to fight
• 1:59:29
  another day. Come on, I have one question where on the subject m
• 1:59:32
  and this is me being some I'm not super familiar. Um and maybe it's
• 1:59:38
  a dumb question, maybe not, but would Picard benefit more often from people
• 1:59:42
  who aren't in his command a question his decision making, or or from Yeah,
• 1:59:47
  I'm just curious, like one, are there more instances where he's wrong
• 1:59:51
  and can't be convinced because no one's willing to stand up to him. I
• 1:59:55
  even wrote that in my notes, And I think because at first I did
• 1:59:58
  feel kind of like the movie was trying to worse Lillian Picard together a little
• 2:00:00
  bit. But then I think he needed the outside perspective to kind of say,
• 2:00:05
  oh shit, maybe this isn't right because you know, she doesn't know
• 2:00:09
  anything going on. So I think that's that's funny you bring that up,
• 2:00:12
  because I think it was ever her. Then yeah, they would have all
• 2:00:15
  died, like they would have all died, and earth would have been assimilated
• 2:00:18
  because the board would have been like, I mean, we don't even need
• 2:00:21
  that thing anymore. We have the whole ship. We'll just like go to
• 2:00:25
  the delta quadrant and just get the board and bring him back, right.
• 2:00:28
  So that's a great question, and I think the answer is no, he
• 2:00:30
  doesn't need a lot of outside influence usually, And Lily actually says that,
• 2:00:34
  like when she comes in and she's like, these people are going to die
• 2:00:38
  just because you ordered them to, and Piccard says, they're used to following
• 2:00:42
  my orders, and Lily says, well, they're probably used to your orders
• 2:00:45
  making sense, And that's exactly true. Like he's gotten them through so many
• 2:00:48
  scrapes that they follow him blindly, but he has always got them through successfully,
• 2:00:54
  and he's always made the right call, even if it was the tough
• 2:00:57
  call, except for this time. This time he is absolutely wrong. He
• 2:01:00
  is making the wrong call. He's going to get everyone killed, which is
• 2:01:03
  very unusual. And without Lily there would have been no one to no one
• 2:01:08
  would have called him on it. So I think it was a really perfect
• 2:01:12
  way they played out that scene for him to be like, wait a minute,
• 2:01:15
  I am acting totally out of character. I am not making the best
• 2:01:17
  decisions for the crew. I am just acting out of revenge and something really
• 2:01:20
  petty. I'm hurt, so I'm trying to fight back, but it's going
• 2:01:25
  to cost people. And that kind of made him come back to his normal
• 2:01:28
  self where he could be like, Okay, let me do the right thing
• 2:01:30
  and get these people off this freaking ship. It is really interesting too that
• 2:01:33
  that Earth and the like Lily and Cockran and these people are being affected by
• 2:01:38
  these decisions that are happening and they're trying to change that path. But it
• 2:01:42
  was still Lily who like put it together and like prevent help prevent it happening.
• 2:01:46
  Like, regardless of the efforts like that, that's going to happen with
• 2:01:49
  those people on Earth. Yeah, it's kind of both, right, Like
• 2:01:51
  Lily's in charge of saving humanity as much as the enterprise, like it wouldn't
• 2:01:56
  have been safe without her. And conversely, without Riker and Jordy and the
• 2:02:00
  whole engineering away team, the Phoenix would have never flown. And that would
• 2:02:04
  have never happened either, because you saw that were in the Phoenix, which
• 2:02:09
  according to the history books, they weren't. Right, Like nobody mentioned Jordy
• 2:02:14
  and Riker in the history books. They don't have a statue of them.
• 2:02:15
  I mean it feels like imagine getting to ride on the right brothers, like
• 2:02:19
  first flight, where you're like, what the hell, Like this is going
• 2:02:21
  to have such long impactful like residuals in like our human story. Uh yeah,
• 2:02:29
  and for you to not be mentioned you were also on that flight.
• 2:02:31
  So yeah, so it's like together they helped. That's just like three stay
• 2:02:35
  the same that MTV Music Awards when Madonna performed with Christina and Brittany and yeah
• 2:02:43
  they kissed both of them. Yeah, but it only got attention because of
• 2:02:48
  Brittany and Madonna. Yeah, but Christina kissed her too. Yeah. She's
• 2:02:54
  like, hey, I was risky and sexy and hot too. Hello.
• 2:02:57
  Yeah, So justice for Extina. I love when Yeah, I apologizes to
• 2:03:01
  Warf because I Pocard is my favorite captain of all time, and I think
• 2:03:06
  I mean obvious, yeah right, he's just so great. But I think
• 2:03:09
  it's I think it's okay to you know, maybe make I mean he did
• 2:03:12
  kind of maybe kill a bunch of people in these mistakes. When you're saying
• 2:03:15
  I think it's okay to make mistakes and apologize once you get new information,
• 2:03:18
  and that's what part did doing this. He's like, oh shit, you're
• 2:03:20
  right. I wasn't thinking right, I got this new information, I thought
• 2:03:24
  about it. I'm so sorry, Worf. Let's do the right thing,
• 2:03:27
  and I think that's really important. So I just wanted to I love that
• 2:03:30
  scene kind of acting like a borg in this movie. Yeah, Like all
• 2:03:35
  of his crew members were expendable. Yeah yeah, well, I mean even
• 2:03:40
  even to speak to his leadership style what you asked a minute ago. He's
• 2:03:44
  such a great captain because he's not full of himself, like when presented in
• 2:03:48
  TNG and in movies and stuff. When presented with like a very difficult situation,
• 2:03:54
  he always asks his team for options, like he's he opens the floor
• 2:03:58
  to other suggestions or as like a terrible captain would be like, I'm right
• 2:04:02
  all the time, and that's that. Like, this was way out of
• 2:04:04
  character for him. But I also thought that Lily was the perfect person to
• 2:04:09
  call him out because she's like, wait, wait, I don't know you,
• 2:04:12
  I don't know your history. I don't need to cow tow to you
• 2:04:15
  because we haven't been through a million scraps together. But I can say there's
• 2:04:18
  something deeply fucked up about what you're doing here, and like you need to
• 2:04:21
  recognize that this is this is wrong what you're doing, because anybody else would
• 2:04:26
  be like Captain, you know, we've been through a lot. Yeah,
• 2:04:29
  and like we might need to read it. It's like there's no time for
• 2:04:30
  that. There's no time for that at all. The border like breaching deck
• 2:04:34
  three and we're on deck one, so like we gotta go, you know.
• 2:04:39
  So I think she was the perfect person, this great strong outsider to
• 2:04:45
  be like hold the phone. Yeah, this is crazy, and I'm not
• 2:04:46
  going to die on the ship. Yeah. But and penis shape shape like
• 2:04:53
  rocket, I'll die on that big flying I'm supposed to be in that right
• 2:04:56
  now. Who's supposed to be piloting that penis me? That's who. I
• 2:05:02
  don't have time for this. By the way, I do love that he
• 2:05:05
  quotes Moby Dick and and Lily's like, oh I only saw the trailer.
• 2:05:11
  I yeah, I love that too, because I was like girl, same,
• 2:05:15
  same. I have never read Moby Dick the first two chapters. Like
• 2:05:18
  I can't get past that. I've done it like three times. I'm like
• 2:05:20
  okay, same, okay, okay, start talking about the stinky guy like
• 2:05:25
  and he's like like, I'm like, I don't want to hear as we
• 2:05:29
  like we got the cliff notes it's a big white whale. A have like
• 2:05:31
  loses his whole life like chasing this thing, like we give it, you're
• 2:05:39
  on ahead, and he piled up on the wh some of all the rage
• 2:05:48
  and race there's jested can would have stout it what Webb Dick? Actually I
• 2:06:06
  never read it. I have respect years hunting the wide way of Question of
• 2:06:20
  ventures, but in the end it destroyed him and his ship. Here's one
• 2:06:30
  thing we haven't talked about yet, and I know we're over our time limit
• 2:06:33
  by like three hours, but I do want to just bring up this one
• 2:06:38
  thing that we haven't talked about yet, and that is the Borg Queen and
• 2:06:41
  how she is everything. Yeah, when we first see her, we did
• 2:06:45
  talk about how creepy the spine was, but when we first see her being
• 2:06:46
  assembled and she says, I am bored. I mean, we have not
• 2:06:50
  seen the queen. We didn't even know there was a queen until this movie.
• 2:06:54
  We've seen the boorg a bunch of times on the show. We know
• 2:06:57
  they have a hive mind. But when she shows up and she says,
• 2:06:59
  I am the board, like I am bored, and Data's like, what
• 2:07:01
  are you talking about? There is no eye they can only say we are
• 2:07:05
  yeah. And then he's like, are you their leader? Are you in
• 2:07:08
  charge? Do you run them? And she's just like, what's strange thinking
• 2:07:12
  you have? I just bring order to chaos? Like she won't even acknowledge
• 2:07:15
  the fact that she is the freaking queen of all borg And then she's getting
• 2:07:19
  a little bit of backstory that they used to be like human like and somehow
• 2:07:24
  evolved into this assimilation type organism like I mean, just every this this actress,
• 2:07:30
  by the way, is just perfection. Yeah, Alice Kreeg is absolute
• 2:07:32
  Yeah, and a bachelor. And to have a great bad like a big
• 2:07:36
  bad they need to believe in what they're doing. So, you know,
• 2:07:40
  the queen believes that there shouldn't be chaos and everybody's the exact same, then
• 2:07:45
  they could be order. So I just I mean, I mean, I
• 2:07:47
  don't know what I'm saying with that, which is great. It's just a
• 2:07:49
  great bad bad guy. Yeah, if you're saying that, that makes a
• 2:07:51
  really good villain, because those villains who are just like money, they're they're
• 2:07:56
  very cartoonish, they're very comic book because they don't really really have a drive.
• 2:08:00
  Yeah, there's no dimension, there's no depth, there's nothing we can
• 2:08:01
  really believe. But with the board Queen, You're absolutely right, she has
• 2:08:07
  a lot of depth and dimension to her because what she wants is order,
• 2:08:11
  What she wants is unity, what she wants is perfection. Everything she wants
• 2:08:13
  sounds extremely reasonable, but it's the way she's going about getting it by destroying
• 2:08:18
  whole systems, right, that people don't like. But when she's confronted with
• 2:08:22
  that, she doesn't see assimilation as destruction at all. She sees it as
• 2:08:26
  helping helping these lesser, inferior people to reach perfection, which is surely what
• 2:08:31
  everyone wants. So yeah, it makes a great villain to see that their
• 2:08:35
  villainy they really think is for the greater It kind of reminds me of Thanos,
• 2:08:39
  right, It's like, what I'm doing is for the greater good.
• 2:08:39
  I'm not doing anything wrong. I'm destroying half, you know, a third
• 2:08:43
  of the population because we're overcrowded, And you're like, well that that does
• 2:08:46
  track, but like you don't, you're choosing Yeah, exactly. It's like
• 2:08:52
  but there's something about the way you're doing it that doesn't quite seem right.
• 2:08:56
  Um. Yeah, but she's just she's amazing and very compelling, and Data's
• 2:09:01
  kind of the perfect person for her to try to seduce, because it definitely
• 2:09:05
  didn't work with Picard. It's not really going to work with a human because
• 2:09:07
  they're so fallible and malleable. Yeah, that we really need a data someone
• 2:09:13
  who's hard to manipulate. But it turns out not impossible. Not impossible.
• 2:09:18
  I do love too, As a woman in my forties, I do love
• 2:09:22
  to see a sexually empowered woman who's like not shying away from that. She
• 2:09:28
  is like, I am going to use all of the tricks I have at
• 2:09:31
  my disposal to get what I want, because what I want is this,
• 2:09:35
  like, you know, the city on a hill kind of thing. She
• 2:09:37
  said, this dream right. My question is, and I know some of
• 2:09:41
  you guys are not super in the tech world, but do you think that
• 2:09:48
  the Boorg Queen came out of a necessity because of Hugh's individualism? You know,
• 2:09:54
  I wish it would have brought up Hugh. So Hugh was like a
• 2:09:56
  borg that became sentient. I guess in a way, I don't know.
• 2:10:01
  Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I kind of feel like the Queen
• 2:10:05
  has always been, Like I feel like, no, I guess I don't
• 2:10:09
  know. I never thought about that. You put me on the spot.
• 2:10:11
  I don't know. Yeah, I play around putting her yogurt. Yeah,
• 2:10:18
  yeah, you answer wrong, you'll be slapped with putting for yogurt and then
• 2:10:24
  and then subsequently airlocked. So make sure you answer. We've got that little
• 2:10:28
  crawl space. You could just airlock right now. Yeah, we keep the
• 2:10:31
  crawl space for this exact moment. So I think, Yeah, the Queen
• 2:10:35
  has always been because she's the one who organized the Borg in the first place.
• 2:10:37
  Um, that's that's a good point that she could This could have been
• 2:10:41
  a response to Hugh. This could have been a response to Piccard, because
• 2:10:43
  we find out in this movie that she was trying to make Piccard an equal,
• 2:10:46
  not just another human being assimilated with the jillions of humans. Yeah,
• 2:10:50
  she wanted an equal contemporary, and so it could have been just her trying
• 2:10:54
  to get a contemporary. It could have been her just being like, yeah,
• 2:10:56
  fighting humans like the regular way. It's just it's just taking too long.
• 2:11:01
  Let's just go back in time. I mean, who knows what the
• 2:11:03
  thought process behind this was, but to see her interplay with data is so
• 2:11:09
  fascinating. To see data saying you don't care about me, you just want
• 2:11:13
  the command codes in my head. And she's like, of course that's what
• 2:11:15
  I want, but I know I can get that by giving you what you
• 2:11:18
  want. It's just like the just like the the transparency makes her seem even
• 2:11:24
  more formidable because she's not trying to be deceptive, she's not trying to be
• 2:11:26
  tricky. She's put all her cards on the table. Even when she tries
• 2:11:30
  to seduce him and make out with him, she's like, you know,
• 2:11:33
  she's like, you're missing the pleasure that organic tissue can bring because she is,
• 2:11:41
  you know, half organic, half cybernetic, half you know, metal
• 2:11:43
  or whatever, and data is all cybernetic. And she's like, this is
• 2:11:46
  what perfection means. It means having the best of both worlds, and you're
• 2:11:50
  missing this whole world that you think emotion is something. Let me tell you
• 2:11:54
  sensation is what you don't have. And she really brings him to this whole
• 2:12:00
  new level of like drug addiction basically that he was missing. And it's very
• 2:12:05
  compelling, and I just think she's extremely clever and to the point of like
• 2:12:09
  good villains. I love a clever villain, like not just a dumb bumbler
• 2:12:13
  who has a lot of big weapons and a whole lot of you know,
• 2:12:15
  a really big army, but those really like the Joker, Like, I
• 2:12:18
  love those villains that are like really clever and somehow I think three steps ahead.
• 2:12:22
  Yeah, yeah, that's what makes them dangerous. Yeah, because then
• 2:12:26
  you're like, well, how are they going to get out of this dangerous
• 2:12:28
  situation? How are they gonna win? I'm glad you brought that up,
• 2:12:31
  because yeah, I know this. Um we kind of like quickly talked about
• 2:12:33
  these scenes and everything, and the Queen is like really compelling character and obviously
• 2:12:41
  visually like stunning, Like it's it's just really cool. I don't know,
• 2:12:48
  you're you're looking at me. I mean you did say it like very accusatory.
• 2:12:56
  Yeah, I was gonna say. I mean, she's she's the fucking
• 2:13:07
  Gore Queen. I mean, she's like a truly terrifying character and terrifying to
• 2:13:11
  look at, but also compelling to look at, Like her skin looks like
• 2:13:15
  it's been like cold and like stretched and clipped, and even like the back
• 2:13:18
  of her skull has been like stretched and clipping. There's two com but she
• 2:13:22
  also for being this like bald grayskin woman. She looks so freaking gorgeous too,
• 2:13:28
  where you're like, d she's very sexy. She's got her cleavage but
• 2:13:31
  it's like zombie cleavage, but it looks nice. Yeah yeah, but you
• 2:13:35
  know, like a zombie would not have nice cleavage, but this Bomby yes
• 2:13:37
  please right, there has to be like a deleted scene of like one of
• 2:13:41
  the borg in turns, like going to Sepphoria to pick out Like I'm seeing
• 2:13:48
  the Devil Wears product crossover where the Devil wears Cybernetics and Anne Hathaway is like,
• 2:13:54
  it's gotta be the right shade or she'll kill me. I think you're
• 2:13:58
  right though, Like she is sexy, and I think it's because she is
• 2:14:01
  like so confident and yeah yeah and control and yeah, it's it's really cool.
• 2:14:07
  So do they do they? Yeah? I'm pretty sure. Yeah,
• 2:14:11
  Data and the Queen hook totally hook up. The d kissed and that was
• 2:14:16
  that. Well, he doesn't mention that he has he hasn't used what his
• 2:14:20
  sex abilities. Yeah, first, he hasn't used his sex superpower. So
• 2:14:24
  what is six years ago? He was doing Tashire, the security chief,
• 2:14:33
  who is one of the most beautiful women in film, and this drunk virus
• 2:14:37
  because it's episode two of the first season, so stupid shit like that could
• 2:14:43
  happen. A drunk virus sweeps through and everybody gets uh like stumbly, slurry
• 2:14:48
  and very horny. So it doesn't it doesn't left and right. It doesn't
• 2:14:54
  affect the inn at all. Does She tries, She tries to hook up
• 2:14:58
  with Will, but Will is not having it. Actually, um but affected
• 2:15:03
  her first, so she was like, I need you and he's like,
• 2:15:05
  I'm I'm on duty. I've talked to you. Later, I don't get
• 2:15:09
  off for like eight more hours. I gotta you know what. And then
• 2:15:11
  after that, I've got a zoom meeting like yeah, and then snack.
• 2:15:16
  So yeah, it affects everybody, and it affected him too, even though
• 2:15:20
  he's an android and it shouldn't. It affected him too. Yeah, that
• 2:15:22
  was like really dumb. It was really dumb. So Tasha Yard calls him
• 2:15:26
  to her quarters and is like wearing this really sexy outfit and I mean she's
• 2:15:30
  wearing next to nothing and her body was like body yaddi aadi yadi. She
• 2:15:35
  looks like I dream a jini and yeah she's He's like, where's your uniform
• 2:15:39
  And she's like, I got out of my uniform for you, Data,
• 2:15:43
  And then they have sex and then I mean, we don't see that part,
• 2:15:46
  thank god, but she does say like, are you fully functioning like
• 2:15:48
  this? Do you like this? Yeah? He's like, yes, I'm
• 2:15:54
  He's like, yes, I'm fully functional and I'm programmed in a series of
• 2:15:56
  techniques or whatever. And this actually the person who which he says in this
• 2:16:00
  movie again he like throws back to it, but the person who created this
• 2:16:03
  entire universe, Gene Roddenberry, created this UM director's guide that we call the
• 2:16:07
  T and G Bible. But he created this director's guide before T ANDNG was
• 2:16:11
  made, so that everybody who was recording episodes would know kind of like what
• 2:16:16
  who the character were, Yeah, the rules of the universe. And one
• 2:16:18
  of the things that he was very adamant about was that Data was an android,
• 2:16:22
  but he was fully functional. It can have sex. That was like
• 2:16:24
  a very important point to put in about this character. So they made sure
• 2:16:28
  he had sex in episode two and then everybody was like hmm, and then
• 2:16:33
  they didn't talk about it again, and then they brought it back up in
• 2:16:37
  So I mean, I feel like we owe Gene Roddenberry so much for this
• 2:16:39
  whole universe. But what a fucking horn dog can you eat? Please stop
• 2:16:46
  with the like sexually functional androids, Like we don't need that boards do we
• 2:16:52
  like? Okay? But yeah, we got the set pieces we got but
• 2:16:56
  well everybody does know, right, data cannot all right get it? Okay,
• 2:17:03
  every well? I mean honestly though, like I feel like a lot
• 2:17:09
  of people would be jealous of his track record. I mean, he's only
• 2:17:11
  had sex like two times, but they've been with like the two hottest women,
• 2:17:13
  and like I be the universal. It was amazing too, because like
• 2:17:16
  he said, he's programmed in all the techniques. I'm sure it was amazing.
• 2:17:20
  They have to put now, I have to put a skin onto the
• 2:17:24
  penis. We don't know, we don't know the details. Unfortunately, I
• 2:17:28
  haint Wikipedia. Okay, in my you know what I'm gonna I'm gonna touch
• 2:17:31
  base with one of my night terrors and then I'll report back. In my
• 2:17:35
  past life, I used to work at an adult shop and I used to
• 2:17:39
  always put on the U on the on the television behind the counter, like
• 2:17:43
  the parody porn, and I just want to see if there's like a star
• 2:17:46
  trek so many, Yeah, there's gotta be. I can't imagine Data Data
• 2:17:54
  Data is my favorite character, and I have never seen that character as sexual
• 2:18:00
  in any way, shape or form, and I think that's so weird.
• 2:18:03
  But you know, every pot has a lid, so I guess. And
• 2:18:07
  the Queen was just striking chords left and right, and this was definitely a
• 2:18:09
  good card to play. I have to say, if you're talking about sensations
• 2:18:13
  and you know what more could you feel? Who knows? Brall, we
• 2:18:16
  know she put skin on the peanuts because she put skin on the arm,
• 2:18:18
  and skin on the face and face a new eyeball. Also, he could
• 2:18:22
  have a whole new experience through these sensory organs, So makes sense. I
• 2:18:26
  guess you know what. That would actually makes sense too, because when he
• 2:18:30
  had sex with Tasha Yar, he he could do all the moves, but
• 2:18:33
  he felt nothing but like now, like giving sensation to someone who's never experienced
• 2:18:39
  physical pleasure before, talk about playing a trump card or crack, like you
• 2:18:43
  could get that person to do anything. At this point, I just want
• 2:18:52
  maybe you just need a Teddy Bear? Are you right? Exactly? Final
• 2:19:01
  thoughts, This movie was so good. It was so good. If you
• 2:19:05
  have not seen this movie recently or ever, it's absolutely worth a watch.
• 2:19:09
  I would say the planet side stuff's a bit slow, but it is a
• 2:19:13
  good comic relief, especially from all the crazy life, you know, life
• 2:19:18
  and death, dangerous stuff that's happening on the ship. It is nice to
• 2:19:20
  have a little bit of a break from that. The story is solid,
• 2:19:24
  the costume, the makeup, that everything is gorgeous. It is worth watching.
• 2:19:26
  It stands up. So my final thoughts was, this is like one
• 2:19:30
  of my favorite of all the Trek movies, and I think for good reason.
• 2:19:33
  So I would give this a rating of warp nine point zero. Oh
• 2:19:41
  that's pretty good. Yeah, I kind of agree with you on most of
• 2:19:48
  this series, Like we don't always agree on a lot of things, but
• 2:19:50
  like, yeah, this was just a really fun sometimes like at times quite
• 2:19:54
  campy ride, but it's not Star Trek without a little bit of can up.
• 2:20:01
  I especially enjoyed the little tidbits of like Robert Picardo and Neelix is played.
• 2:20:07
  I believe his name is Ethan Phillips, like it was great to see
• 2:20:11
  even just as like little cameos was really really fun. M Alfrey Woodard like
• 2:20:16
  totally stole the show for me. And I think the women really held down
• 2:20:18
  this episode. Between the board Queen and Lily, It's like, damn,
• 2:20:22
  you've got some really kick ask characters. Yeah, I enjoyed it a lot.
• 2:20:28
  I would say I would say warp Warp eight point seven five, just
• 2:20:33
  because like some of the campiness. I'm like, Zephren put the drinks away.
• 2:20:37
  God, damn it, dude, You've got like a job to do,
• 2:20:39
  a really important job to do. But besides that, like it was
• 2:20:43
  really fun, like and I'm really really glad that I got to be on
• 2:20:45
  this episode because it gave me an opportunity to rewatch this movie. I haven't
• 2:20:48
  seen it in like twenty years, so it was really fun awesome. Sorry
• 2:20:54
  I'm laugh because I'm good enough to be inappropriate. I'll go next. There
• 2:20:58
  definitely is Star Trek Point, But I don't know, I don't know what
• 2:21:05
  I was expecting, because like I was expecting like something more progressive than just
• 2:21:09
  like really degrading women, like like you know, yeah, I was expecting
• 2:21:13
  something more progressive because but No, it's really just like so you're saying the
• 2:21:20
  Star Trek porn didn't really hold to the Star Trek ideal exactly exactly. So
• 2:21:24
  I think there's a mark, there's a market to grow. Yeah, Rodenberry
• 2:21:28
  have written a Star Trek Bible for them bothly like what he wanted to see
• 2:21:33
  the point exactly. I would like to see a really nerdy director going like,
• 2:21:37
  that's not Starfleet regulation if it is, as you know, yeah,
• 2:21:43
  so I would I apologize that. Like both both you were so like funny,
• 2:21:46
  respectable and I'm just like disgusting, but um, I'm not disgusting at
• 2:21:52
  all. Can I just say you are so funny and I love your point
• 2:21:56
  of view, and I love that you looked up Star Trick porn because you
• 2:22:00
  know, when you first mentioned it, somebody else listening was thinking to themselves,
• 2:22:03
  I wonder that too. Yeah, and now you've answered that question and
• 2:22:07
  saved them so many minutes. Yeah, it's not worth watching now, in
• 2:22:11
  the future it will be. And look, you just saved them even more
• 2:22:15
  time. Or there's a few of them that are okay. So I liked
• 2:22:20
  this movie a lot, like I was really like, I texted the podcast
• 2:22:24
  crew and I was like, I think I'm I'm Borderland Trucky because I loved
• 2:22:28
  this movie. It like held my interest, suspenseful. I love the Queen
• 2:22:31
  was awesome. Um I I thought it was really good. It was funny
• 2:22:37
  at partis and it was it was and like that what you're talking about with
• 2:22:39
  the effects were really good. I was like, oh that's cool. And
• 2:22:43
  that was my reaction. Um, I would give it a out of every
• 2:22:48
  movie, like, oh god, like maybe like a seven point five.
• 2:22:56
  See that. Yeah, I can see that. I'm not a TuS person.
• 2:22:58
  I've watched a few episodes and I'm like, but Star Trek the motion
• 2:23:01
  picture, Oh like warp ten? What freaking ten for me? So yeah,
• 2:23:07
  this is like okay, yeah, it's good. Yeah, Like I'm
• 2:23:09
  gonna watch another Star Trek movie and then I think I'll get into the show.
• 2:23:13
  I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna final front with all right, welcome
• 2:23:20
  to being a nerd. I think going in, I was wondering, like,
• 2:23:24
  is this is gonna be like a long episode of Star Trek, like
• 2:23:28
  kind of how like Simpsons movie was, is just sort of like a long
• 2:23:30
  episode? Yeah? Or is this going to feel like a movie um and
• 2:23:35
  this be I've only seen Interlight and then this, UM, so I think
• 2:23:39
  having a little bit of background want to help me enjoy it more. But
• 2:23:43
  I was still very entertained. Um, I like, I truly love the
• 2:23:46
  effects. I thought they were fantastic, and I really like after Interlight and
• 2:23:54
  this, like I just love Patrick Stewart like so much, Like he's so
• 2:23:56
  talented and so him to be my yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I
• 2:24:01
  agree. Um, he's so convincing. UM, and the character Picard is
• 2:24:07
  so complex that I'm like, I'm definitely intrigued to continue seeking out Star Trek.
• 2:24:11
  I don't know how much I can devote to it. Um, however,
• 2:24:16
  I don't know eight at a ten warps. Like it was really entertaining
• 2:24:20
  in general, and I really really love um, this is the first time
• 2:24:24
  I've ever I think I've ever seen Wharf because he's not in Interlight right a
• 2:24:28
  little bit very I was so intrigued by their dynamic and and them working together
• 2:24:37
  and also um combating and yeah, it was great. Yeah. I would
• 2:24:41
  say, you know, I would say, if you want to delve a
• 2:24:43
  little bit deeper into Trek, but you're not sure if you want to really
• 2:24:46
  really commit to it, or which show to start on or whatever. Just
• 2:24:50
  listen to our podcast exactly. We'll tell you which episodes are good. We'll
• 2:24:54
  tell you which episodes suck. And you might listen to our episode and be
• 2:24:56
  like, Okay, I don't even need to watch. It's like I feel
• 2:24:58
  good. Yeah, I like that. That's a good thing too. You
• 2:25:01
  can listen and you can listen to us at two x, so it's even
• 2:25:03
  faster than I didn't want to follow at about what you were saying, Ali,
• 2:25:07
  because I think for not being a I think they did great for this
• 2:25:11
  movie. You don't have to be a fully formed set fan exactly, but
• 2:25:16
  they left a lot of like little tidbits into where if you are a starter
• 2:25:18
  Trek fan, you're like, oh cool, it's because of this and this
• 2:25:22
  and this, that's why they said that. So I think they did a
• 2:25:24
  perfect job of blending for new people and people that have already been watching the
• 2:25:28
  show. Uh. Like you said, Piccard, I think is incredible.
• 2:25:31
  Any It's so captivating. Even in my notes there's partial I'm like, God,
• 2:25:33
  I'm so captivated in these scenes right now. I'm forgetting to take notes.
• 2:25:37
  I put that in my notes. I gotta remember to take notes.
• 2:25:39
  Uh, it's a great movie overall, my favorite movie of all time.
• 2:25:43
  I give it a nine, So I'm giving this an eight point five or
• 2:25:46
  okay, awesome. I mean I will say if you if you want to,
• 2:25:50
  you know, following up on what Shari said too, like if you
• 2:25:54
  are not sure where to start or how much should invest like start with season
• 2:25:56
  three of TNG, Like for sure, we know well the characters, the
• 2:26:01
  intensely problematic shit is for the most part behind us, doing no small part
• 2:26:07
  to the fact. And I feel like such an asshole saying this, But
• 2:26:09
  Gene Roddenberry became very ill and had to step away from his like showrunning duties.
• 2:26:13
  And I hate to say this, but the show got so much better
• 2:26:18
  after that because he was still very very much into like the very campy,
• 2:26:22
  overly sexualized, very racist, d sexist, d problematic stuff that like you
• 2:26:26
  see in the original series. But like once he stepped away, like Ronald
• 2:26:31
  D. Moore and Brandon Braga and some of these other like big hitters who
• 2:26:35
  are still out there making like mind blowingly great sci fi today, they like
• 2:26:41
  kind of took over and the show just went in a way more like intellectual
• 2:26:45
  sort of like less women in painted green skin and bikini's dancing around, right,
• 2:26:50
  Like, if that's what you want them, there's definitely a show for
• 2:26:52
  that. But like it just became like deeper problems, more complex solutions,
• 2:26:58
  and like interpersonal relationships. It's it's a great place to start in. Season
• 2:27:01
  three has got some of the biggest hits, like back to back to back.
• 2:27:05
  Yeah, okay of the whole series. Yeah, and you don't miss
• 2:27:09
  anything because it's episodic. It just restarts with every at the start of every
• 2:27:11
  new episode. Okay. Well, hey, um, I've had an amazing
• 2:27:16
  time talking to a lot of like so much fun, and I like really
• 2:27:20
  want to have you back because this isn't one an amazing discussion, but also
• 2:27:22
  to like we vibed really well. I think I'm gonna join their podcast.
• 2:27:30
  Yeah uh no, I I just like this was a lot of fun and
• 2:27:33
  it really felt seamless and effortless, and thank you for coming on and taking
• 2:27:37
  the time to do this and to bring in the perspective that you know,
• 2:27:41
  some we couldn't bring in and it means a lot, and it was just
• 2:27:45
  it was great. I had a great time and I'm I'm glad we did
• 2:27:48
  this. Yeah, yeah, thank you. Yeah for our listeners. Where
• 2:27:50
  could they find your podcast and all that good stuff? We are the TNG
• 2:27:56
  podcast found wherever you get your podcasts, so Apple, podcast, Stitcher,
• 2:28:01
  everywhere, Spotify. Um, we have and actually it's the TNG podcast a
• 2:28:07
  Star Trek Show, Trek Show. I added that little part because and we
• 2:28:13
  didn't have that before. I added it because the TNG podcast alone, the
• 2:28:18
  people couldn't tell with Star Trek. So I was like, I'm gonna stay
• 2:28:20
  stay Star Trek in the title. Yeah. And I also notice when people
• 2:28:24
  search to the TNG podcast, we don't show up anymore. So you have
• 2:28:26
  to put in a Star Trek Show and then we and you have to say
• 2:28:30
  it with that tone too. Um. We have an Instagram at the TNG
• 2:28:35
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• 2:28:39
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• 2:28:48
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  TNG podcast because Unrea is so clever and does such an thank you, thank
• 2:28:54
  you. It's been oh my god, I've had so much fun talking to
• 2:28:58
  you guys. I'm just like totally glowing all right now, Thank you guys,
• 2:29:01
  And if you liked anything you heard or if you disagreed with anything we
• 2:29:05
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• 2:29:07
  TNG podcast because we love chatting with our listeners. Nice. Yeah, all
• 2:29:11
  right, Well that was a blast having Sharis and Andrew from the TNG Podcast
• 2:29:18
  on. I hope we get them back because I was just they were fun,
• 2:29:22
  yeah, really fun. And you know I was so nervous before because
• 2:29:26
  they're scientists. We vibe, so it was great. There's no reason to
• 2:29:30
  be nervous. We're just like scientists now basically. Yeah, um great,
• 2:29:35
  so uh, anything to promote for yourselves before we get in here, just
• 2:29:39
  you know, you want to make sure you check out the Averagers. Some
• 2:29:43
  good stuff going on. Um. Also, I like balls. It's a
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  the Doge so he's a dog. And then future Jeff please stop looking a
• 2:30:00
  star trek porn. I know you haven't stopped now he hasn't ye two weeks.
• 2:30:07
  Yeah, it's rusty. How about Yeah for me, I have one
• 2:30:11
  thing to promote. Um, I am performing at my first comedy showcase that
• 2:30:16
  I've been booked for. I've been doing comedy for eight months now, so
• 2:30:20
  it's an honor to be asked to do a showcase. I'll be doing ten
• 2:30:22
  minutes set um for a show called Hear You Loud and Queer and it's a
• 2:30:28
  queer comedy showcase, which is great, and it's a chilling sider house in
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  Portland, Oregon on August thirty first. So UM, make sure you check
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  out um that if you're in Portland area. I do have something to Okay.
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  So I saw your advertisement on your Instagram for one of your showcases that
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  you're part of. So then it got me to like re listen to your
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  stand up and then I was reading the comments and somebody it was so perfect.
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  Somebody like threw you shade, but then you still like sell to them,
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  like oh if you if you have wrong with this, why don't you
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  check out this video? Like I love You're like salesperson ship. It's so
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  good, Like I loved it. It was perfect. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, I try to I try to just eat. I don't know you're
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  so funny. I'm so glad to thank you. UM, and yeah,
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  I'm just like honored and excited to be even considered at any level. So
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  uh yeah, please come check it out. And if you want to see
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  the videos Jeff's talking about, I'll have, um probably pretty soon my storytelling
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  event up that I did in July. Um that and you can find me
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  on any platform with the user name at Ali j is gay anyways. Um,
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  but this was a blast. Thank you for listening. Make sure you
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  go check out the ladies at the TNG podcast because they're incredible and they've done
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  such amazing work dissecting the next generation and I really can't wait to see what
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  they do next. And it's fun. So even if you're not into Star
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  Trek, if you, they're just really funny together. They make these little
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  quips, these jokes that just check it out, even if you don't,
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  I kid, listen to them do anything. Yeah, I think like any
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  like if they did, if they did it like a movie review of Schindler's
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  List, I'd be like, this, this is fine, we should have
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  we should have them on the photo. I don't know if the nostalgic for
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  that. It was at the nineties. Yeah, I don't know if we
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  literally just talked to Has that episode been out yet? Oh yeah? Fucking
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  time travel? All right? Well, hey, until next time. I'm
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  Alie and I'm Jeff. Yeah. Yeah. Notable Nostalgia is a production of
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  Big Door Prize Media. You can find us links to our social pages and
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  other podcasts on the network at Bigdoorprize dot com slash podcast. This podcast is
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  produced by me Alie and edited by both myself and Andy. Our logo was
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