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- jason: man. goodness. 7evenThirty: Smiley, how are you? jason: man. That's weird for you to say that. I'm doing 7evenThirty: Funny meeting you here Smiley jason: Yeah. Yeah, man. 7evenThirty: I just happened to hop online and then you happen to hop online. jason: Yep, such a weird coincidence that we're here 7evenThirty: I know. jason: at the same time. 7evenThirty: Wasn't it also a weird coincidence that we ended up at the IMAX theater at the same time with seats next to each other? On the premiere of the Odyssey. jason: That is that is that is odd. You see? 7evenThirty: And isn't it also strange? That it's the Odyssey that we're talking about this time. jason: Yeah. lame. Yep. It's odd. All 7evenThirty: It was all just happenstance. jason: right, let's introduce ourselves to the the people that don't know us yet. 7evenThirty: I'm seven thirty. wait, what? jason: I'm wait, wait. What you go first. 7evenThirty: Well let's introduce ourselves. Smiley Abrams is is a guest with us today. He's a recurring guest. some may even call him a co-host. jason: Yes. I'm here. Yep. Reoccurring guest, yep. 7evenThirty: I'm seven thirty jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: and things are getting weird fast. jason: my goodness. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah, we here. 7evenThirty: feels like something's missing. jason: I don't know. 7evenThirty: Nah, it's perfectly normal. Yeah. jason: Nothing, nothing missing at all. So Yeah. We're talking about the Odyssey. wait, what? 7evenThirty: wait. Yeah. Didn't you have a brother? jason: I do have a brother. I have a brother from 7evenThirty: yeah. jason: another mother and father and his name is Marcus, aka seven thirty. 7evenThirty: Yeah. yeah, that clears that up. We can move on now. jason: But yeah. sorry recurrent listeners, you're probably wondering. This is like the first episode that Prop Josh has not been on ever. And so maybe two. I think he's only missed two episodes total. where is Prab Josh in the world? literally right now. He's rubbing it in our face that he's in Hawaii. So enjoy your stupid Hawaiian trip, stupid brother. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: I hope you'll listen to this on the plane on your way back and I hope you make it safely. Just want to say that out there clearly bad. So I'm not pushing anything 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: bad. Please be safe. But I hope you have Not any more fun. 7evenThirty: Ha ha jason: goodness. Yep. And that's and that is what 7evenThirty: What a fun day. jason: that's what brings us with Odysseus. He was on a journey and he on his way back home didn't have fun. so didn't have a lot of fun. 7evenThirty: He didn't have a lot of fun at all. jason: man, but yeah, we went ahead and watched this in IMAX on Friday, which I think it was about a week after it premiered. So it was already a week old, but it was super packed. It was super packed again. I mean nothing 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. okay, yeah. Yeah, it was packed. Mm-hmm. jason: nothing else really came out this weekend. So it was like Odyssey got two good weeks in. but we definitely was like, We gotta see it in IMAX because it's epic looking. When I saw the trailer, yeah, it was a good coincidence. 7evenThirty: Yeah, I'm I'm glad we happened to be there at the same time at the seats next to each other. Yeah, it was it was it was a good surprise. It was a good surprise. jason: And thank you for picking me up too. That was that was a good thank you for happening to come by and picking me up as well. That that was a real really coincidence. So 7evenThirty: I just happen to be in the neighborhood, you know. I was curious to see Bobby Rush's house. And then I'm like, you know what, Jason, stay over here. Might as well see what he's doing. And then you're like, hey, jason: Which Yeah, yeah. Might as well you just went over by Bobby Red. 7evenThirty: I need a ride somewhere. I'm like, okay, where you headed? You're like, Hmm, Madison. I was like, Cool. I happen to be headed to Madison. Hop in the car jason: I'm going that way too. 7evenThirty: and then we both got out at the same place. I was looking at like, why the fuck are you following me? Following me in here? Then then we happened jason: man. 7evenThirty: to go through the line together and somehow you had a copy of like my ticket on your phone. That was the weirdest part about it. And jason: Yep. Yep. 7evenThirty: then we then you kept following me in the theater and sat next to me. It's like, that's crazy. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: But I am glad we got that experience in the IMAX because it literally jason: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: transports you into the world of jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: what is it, Homer? jason: Yeah, Homer's Iliad, Odyssey. Yeah. And it's it's 7evenThirty: Iliad and Odyssey, yeah. Which jason: a what, a tale's old as time. I mean, it's what, three thousand plus years old? Like it's not a 7evenThirty: Yeah, it's it's a series of poems actually. It's a twenty-four part poem. The the Odyssey is. jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: it's a c considered an epic poem. Did you did you read that in like school? So jason: I've never read it. Yeah, and actually never read it. 7evenThirty: we they thanks to shout out Miss Yoder, People's Middle School Apex English, we had to read jason: Yes. Jackson Public School shout out. 7evenThirty: Yeah, yeah, we had to read I think we've had to read both. We the Iliad and the Odyssey. Yeah, and it's it is like the way it was written, I had to really kind of it took some explanation. Like, wait, how what does this mean? You know, but like jason: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: the whole epic the parts that stick out in my mind are also the parts that stuck with me in this movie. So I thought I thought they did a good job jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: of jason: That's good. 7evenThirty: pulling you into that world and illustr like making it more plain with the visual. So I thought it was jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: cool. jason: That's really good. I know, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: I didn't know I know this you know, the other story. Trojan horse and 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: the journey back, Cyclopses and monsters and sirens and stuff like that. They've been they've 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: told the story multiple times. and so I know my dad loved the books. Like he was like he was a 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. jason: book nerd, and so like When I was watching the movie, I was like, Yeah, he would have loved watching this. Because 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: Christopher Nolan, Christopher Nolan is an epic director. like 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: he doesn't he doesn't hold back. I mean, the first movie that I seen from him, of course, was Momento. Momentum. Momento. Yeah, Momento. 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: and so that was like a story told from backwards and forwards and stuff. And now the way that he directed this movie, it I I I saw some of the The things that he did in Memento come out in the way that he st told the story. Cause it wasn't told chronologically. which is which 7evenThirty: Mm, mm, mm. jason: is beautiful, like a beautiful way to tell a story. I don't know how the book does it, but like 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: a story that people are familiar with is good that I love the way that he presented the the the story. So it's like you kind of 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: you start with him not you don't see you don't see Odysseus at all. Like you just kind of start in was it Ithaca? so that's kind of where you start, but 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: you're like, but there is actually a little, there is a, there's a moment, you missed it because you were getting popcorn, but it was like the very, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: very first beginning that was when the Trojan, they showed the Trojan horse getting brought in. It's they just show the the 7evenThirty: Brought in. Uh-huh. jason: Tro Troy gr grabbing the horse. And you didn't know you kind of knew if you know it was okay it's a horse. Like you know what's gonna happen. But then they just cut it. 7evenThirty: Yeah. Yeah. You know the story. You know you know what's in the horse. Right. jason: You know. And they didn't tell you anything else. So I was like, interesting. So that was the way they did it. So 7evenThirty: So Christopher Nolan is really good. I what I've I haven't seen all his stuff, but I've seen quite a few of his movies. And what jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: I can say with him is he is very epic, but he's able to bring the epic down to earth. jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: So it's more believable that way. Like what he did with Dark Knight. jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: It's a we talk about a comic book superhero, but jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: he made it like, this nigga's real. It's there's really this is really Batman, like in the in jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: the real world. Like Gotham feels like a real sit. It don't feel so stylized as we've jason: Yeah. Right. 7evenThirty: always seen a stylized straight out of the comic book version of Gotham. And then but when Christopher jason: That's a good point. That's a really good point. 7evenThirty: Nolan got a hole of those properties, He he really brought Gotham like, no, this like a city for ri feel like New York. Let's feel like a jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: alternate New York with darker, more extreme people in it. You know what I mean? jason: No, it was that's a interesting point because it's like, you know, it's an epic superhero, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: but it was grounded. Like you think about the difference between the time period we had between the lat the the Batman it was Batman and Robin, which was like completely non grounded as as you can get. So it's like if you 7evenThirty: Right. Right. Bright colors. jason: it's like you could this was not a real this was a complete fantasy, you know what I mean? 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: And then the very next the very next Batman movie was the Batman Begins, which was like went stripped all the way down to like it was the most grounded of all his 7evenThirty: Yeah. Extremely grounded. Yeah. It's like, I can see how a real person can jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: who's crazy enough can and rich enough can become this guy, you know. But you were jason: Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So that's a good point though. I didn't think about that. 7evenThirty: you you made another point about his method of storytelling out of sequence and playing with time and and and jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: looping. He understands this is a director that understands that time isn't linear. So he doesn't tell the story jason: Yeah, love that. 7evenThirty: in a linear way. Interstellar was a real good example of that. The and then an Inception jason: I mean, Interstellar definitely does that. 7evenThirty: kind of sort of does that because you're jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: you're in people's mind within somebody else's mind within somebody jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: else's mind. And so like time plays differently in each of those layers that that jason: Yeah, 7evenThirty: We were in jason: yeah. 7evenThirty: like I I I really like his method of storytelling. And so what he did with this, like people have done the Odyssey before. jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: But what makes this one different is that he took a lot of attention to nuance real life details. And w I'll get into jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: s as we talk about this, I'll point out some of those things that that I'm talking about. But yeah. jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So we I mean we're just gonna we're just gonna talk about our impressions you know of the story, of course. If you haven't seen it, check it out. we're gonna, you know, spoil it. the story is hard to spoil because it's three thousand years old. So like if you haven't if you 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: don't know the story of all the Odyssey yet, wow. 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: even if you hadn't read it in middle school, that's fine. 7evenThirty: I mean, I can understand, yeah, I can understand people not really it seems as old as it is, it's still kind of niche. You know what I mean? Like as far as a point of interest for jason: Yeah, I get it. 7evenThirty: people. But so essentially when we open this the story this story is about It's almost like the director weaved in the story of the Odyssey within a slightly bigger story about jason: Mm. Mm. 7evenThirty: about his son trying to find him and stuff you know what I'm saying? Like jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: who's gonna be the new successor, the new king, or is Odysseus coming back? That's kind of the story. And then within that story, jason: Right. 7evenThirty: we're getting the Odyssey. You see what I mean? So I thought it was really cool how he jason: Yeah, that's that's how he tells the story. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Did he weaved Homer's Odyssey into his story that he's doing here. You jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: know what I mean? So I thought that was cool. jason: Right. Right. Yeah. No, that's that's that's a perfect way, a perfect way to describe it. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: I sent you a I don't know if you got a chance to watch it. It was a funny a funny Instagram video of this influencer, Mel. it's Mel Mitch is her name, I think. And 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: she she was like the black goddess on the Odyssey. And so she just kind of explains. So when you get a chance, check out the video. I said she's hilarious and kind 7evenThirty: Okay. jason: of walks through some of the she tells the story from from her perspective as a black goddess. And 7evenThirty: that's gonna be fun. jason: she's like, she said, and you know, go get Spider-Man and bring back Dr. Dre. So 7evenThirty: Yeah. That's funny. jason: it is. goodness so Cause him by the cause this this this is a movie that is full of A listers. Like I mean it's like and people they 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Ev I mean, again, everybody. jason: got everybody. and I didn't know I think we both did I didn't I didn't know John Likuzama was in the movie until I saw him on the screen, honestly. 7evenThirty: I had no idea he was in the movie. Yeah. jason: So but yeah, you got Matt Damon and Hathaway, Tom Holland, Robert Patterson Zendaya, Charlie's Theron. I mean these are like It's like, my goodness. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: Lupita, you know, John Bertnall, like, you know, all these folks on here. 7evenThirty: That's who I was surprised to see on here too. John Bird dog. jason: John Burtonaugh. I knew like this is where I knew Josh told me about this too. It like I was like, yeah, these guys are in this movie and Spider Man. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: so you got Tom Hollands and Dea and John Burtonaugh. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: all three of them are in Spider Man coming up next week or whatever. And so they're gonna be in big screens for the next couple all all of this month, you know, next couple weeks. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: But yeah, We're spooling it, we're talking about it. We're assuming that you listened, watched it already or or know the story or want to just know your our thoughts about it. So we're not necessarily gonna go in any kind of order, just talk about our thoughts. 7evenThirty: Yeah, there's there's not really a way to spoil the events of the story. jason: Yeah. So short story. this is stuck. He goes. it's it's go ahead. 7evenThirty: Alright, so but just rewind just a little he stuck after so it the story takes place right after well, several years after the fall of Troy, after the jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: Trojan horse. Odysseus and his folk I forget what are his people called? His tri his jason: They're from Ithaca. 7evenThirty: The Ithaca the Ithacans or whatever. jason: But they're Greek. They're Greek. So they're Greek. 7evenThirty: Yeah, yeah. The Greek the fucking Greeks took over Troy. Right? jason: Mm-hmm. Yep. 7evenThirty: they they they and they basically had this whole plan and they ambushed them by way of the Trojan horse. They infiltrated them and jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: got inside and they took over Troy. Now they were on their way back and thus the Odyssey. And now at jason: Yep, that's the Odyssey. So 7evenThirty: the beginning of this. movie, the Odyssey done already happened, and now it's like, where's Odysseus? jason: Right. It's been it's been ten years. Yeah. 7evenThirty: It's been several years. Yeah. jason: So technically so yeah, it was he spent he spent Odysseus spent ten years. They were on the they had a stalemate. so I think the Iliad would have been like that, where it was like, Okay, for ten years they're just waiting to fight Troy and they couldn't get past the the gate until they did 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: the whole horse thing. Then the ten years 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: after was them turn coming back. and so that's kinda we we're in the last, you know. Month or two. 7evenThirty: so that's why he been gone that long. That's why his son grown as hell. Right, that's why his son jason: Twenty years. He was gone twenty years. He don't know. Yeah. 7evenThirty: groaned as hell. Okay, now it makes sense. It took the Iliad jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: is the journey to Troy, right? Am I am I right about that? jason: The Iliad is that journey, but also it's the t it's the story of the fight. And so that whole decade of them 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: getting into the temple, getting into the Troy, like that back and forth, all that stuff is the Iliad. So the journey there, 7evenThirty: Yeah, yeah. jason: fighting a Troy, figuring out how to get inside, boom. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: The Odyssey is the way back. So like that's another decade. So yep. 7evenThirty: That's right. Okay. Okay. Damn. Yeah, cause he was he was gone. Cause yeah. All right, yeah, yeah. Let's get into it. jason: So yeah, telem Telemachus, Telemachus, Tom Holland's character is the son of Odysseus. Yep, Spider 7evenThirty: Spider Man. Mm-hmm. jason: Man. And so he's already an adult. so he would be like twenty twenty two or whatever. Like he was a baby. 7evenThirty: Yep. Early twenties, right. jason: Yeah, he was a baby. So he didn't really know Odysseus, just knows the stories about him. Who 7evenThirty: Right. jason: Odysseus is loved, you know, is epic, you know, he's like this king and really, you know. Yeah. And he's he's 7evenThirty: He's like a celebrated hero around there. Right. jason: known as one of the most wisest, smartest, intelligent persons, you know. So like that's what makes him 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: That's why the Trojan horse was so brilliant. You know, it was like, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: man, like that's like he's such a brilliant person and you kinda see that. And then you have Yeah, yep. Yeah, 7evenThirty: So that was his idea? Okay. jason: he he made it, he put it together, he, you know, was Yep, yeah, yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: that's right, because he can bend wood like nobody else could, like with his hands. Like he could string this really tough which is really important, I get like he could string he's the only person jason: The ball. Yeah. 7evenThirty: that can string this one bowl made of this certain strong ass wood. And he just do it like it ain't nothing like and he just like nothing and can't nobody else fucking do that shit. So okay, jason: Mhm. Which like nothing. He a boss. Yeah. So 7evenThirty: okay, that makes sense. That he would make the horse, you know. jason: Yeah. So th right. So yeah. So I mean I think the whole point, so we this I love to see and we could talk about our our highlights of this, but that's the setup of the movie. Like the son is trying to figure out where he is because there's like, you know, a bunch of suitors who wants to ba marry Penelope and Hathaway's character. So it's just like, all right, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: he's gone, he's been gone for twenty years, he ain't coming back, he probably dead, nobody else came back, so like it's time to remarry. And but Telemachus is the you know, okay, if he's not 7evenThirty: the rifle air, yeah. jason: Yeah, so he's the heir of the throne. So it's op his opportunity to step up. But he he's need confirmation if he's alive or dead. And so 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: that's kind of that that arc that we see. And 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: so I love that this meanwhile we're hearing we're hearing the story of the Odyssey being told from 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: Odysseus talking to Calypso. That's kinda how it's how it's how it's made, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: which Calypso is this ruler on this island with the lotus flowers played 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: by Charlize and Theron. and so it's like the lotus flower helps him makes people forget. Yeah. 7evenThirty: She was kind of a cool character though, yeah. jason: Yeah. So, but he's just been there. We just don't we don't know how long he's been there. Like he's kind of like he 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: just he's kind of like she was like, what do you remember? And then there's like these images of Zendaya who 7evenThirty: She takes the lotus from him at one point. Like you need to you need to remember. Right. jason: There is a point because she's trying to get him to remember. She's like, Don't no, don't eat this. Look tell me what you remember. And that's when we start 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: hearing the story of the Odyssey return. And 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: then you see you see images of a Zendaya who's plays 7evenThirty: Payna. jason: Athena. which is makes sense because he's supposed to be the wisest person. So his like his spiritual guide is Athena, who 7evenThirty: Mm. Mm-hmm. jason: I think Penelope gives the statue of Athena, like a little mini statue of Athena. And so I think the actual, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Before he leaves. jason: yeah, the personification, you see the image of Zendaya kind of symbolize 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: that, but also real, you know, in Greek mythology, okay, she's there appearing to him. And so she's 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: talking to him and guiding him and judging him when he makes bad decisions. So I love, I love the 7evenThirty: Yeah. Yeah. jason: the way that she looks at him with like disappointment a couple of times. Like, really. 7evenThirty: She looked at him with that black woman disappointment face. Yeah. jason: It's like you dude, come on now. Why would you do this? So all right, let's go. Let's go into some of our favorite our favorite parts and things that made you like go, mmm, interesting. So what's some of your moments of just 7evenThirty: So jason: plot lines or epic moments. 7evenThirty: The the I think like the grounding of the things that are fantastical, jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: like the whole idea of the horse. It no no no nobody would survive that in real life. Like they were hanging out in their horse for days. jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: So they wasn't eating, they was in there shitting and pissing and getting tossed all jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: around in there, drowning. Like nobody it they would have opened their horse up with nothing but dead bodies would have fell out in real life. You know what I'm saying? jason: Right. Yeah. Right. Yep. 7evenThirty: But I like how even though as ridiculous as that idea is, the director portrayed that as realistic as possible. They looked uncomfortable in that mug. You know what I'm saying? No, jason: Yeah. I don't think I've ever seen it like that before. 7evenThirty: they looked uncomfortable. They were like, we in here dying. It's stank in here. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: I'm like, all I can think of when they came out their horse, I'm like, they ought to smell these motherfuckers coming. jason: Mm-hmm. That horse should stank. my goodness. 7evenThirty: The bun a bunch of s shitty, shitty, pissy men coming to kill you in the night. But I did like the play of music jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: in this in this movie. it lent to the storytelling. So you you were asking what moment stood out to me? jason: Yeah, like if there's specific moments or 7evenThirty: I love the scene of jason: I do want to talk a little bit about the horse concept as you talked about though. 7evenThirty: okay, yeah, we'll we'll get back to it. I love the I wasn't expecting to see the Cyclops so early in the movie, so I was happy to see that. and jason: Mm. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: what I liked about it was you remember I was saying that like Chris Fanola, he'll take fantastical things and bring real is realism to to jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: it. We've seen several depictions of a Cyclops in movies jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: and TV, animated stuff or whatever. And it always looks the same. Like a big jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: ass giant with one big ass eye in the middle of his head. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: In this movie, we had a big ass giant with one big ass eye in the middle of his head. But what jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: made it interesting was his face was disfigured to the point where his nose Was turned sideways jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: and the eye was turned sideways, like up on the side. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: So it just made it look much more interesting and creepy jason: Right. 7evenThirty: and actually made it more realistic to me. It made it more jason: That's a funny thing to say, but that's true. Yeah. 7evenThirty: realistic because it's like this is a deformed giant. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: You know what I'm saying? For some reason, turning his face sideways like that, twisting his face up like that made him more believable and it made him more expressive in my opinion. jason: Yeah, that's true. 7evenThirty: when when he was when he ate, you know, we chew and the jason: Mm-hmm. Yep. 7evenThirty: muscle, all the muscle around your face, you jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: know, move a little bit when you're chewing. When you got food in your mouth and you're chewing, you got muscles in your face. When he chewed, it's like they designed anatomy for the face. It's as if his his jason: Sideways, yeah. 7evenThirty: skull is actually made that way. And the muscles jason: Yeah, mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: around it. So when he chewed, when he was biting somebody's head off and chewing, the muscles jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: around the eye would squeak. It was like real good. Like I was real jason: Yeah. yeah. 7evenThirty: impressed. And then on that IMAX, it was like you were in that cave with that mother. It was like, shit, it was intimidating, jason: That's so true. Yes. 7evenThirty: you know what I mean? And the the sound, you know, I'm a sound jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: person, so jason: Yeah, that's I mean, that the sound is a is definitely one of the things that the IMAX I think has a has a a leg up. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Has an advantage. Yeah. jason: and so just thinking about the way that the Cyclops looked, you could see the texture of his skin in a way and like in the IMAX. Yeah, like 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. He looked like he was ashy. Right. jason: it's like there was like this rough this and you can 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: see, but The way that his face shaped also made it sympathetic. Like this is a monster. And you kind of like at first you're like, Yes, that's what it 7evenThirty: Yes, yes. He's a humanized monster. jason: was. It's kinda like you can see you follow him by first following a flock of sheep and then you're like, okay, who's where's 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: these sheep going? it's a cave. I didn't know it was gonna be the cyclops until of course when the 7evenThirty: Me neither. I was when I saw that fire I was like, Ooh, the cyclones jason: So it's like he's made the cheese and he's like, Okay, it's so he's he's civilized. He's you know focusing on himself. But just trying to be and he's got a flock of sheep. But then then he comes and it's like, my goodness. But you feel for him, cause he's just a mi guy minding his own business, trying to live his life, you know. 7evenThirty: By the end of yeah. That man was minding his own business. jason: He was just minding his own business. You know, folks coming in, thieves coming coming here stealing his stuff. And, you know, then they poke his eye with the fire. piercing fire and sneak out and th then that's where my goodness. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. And he lets out this sound that's like it fills the theater like it sounds like a cyclops screaming in pain. It's jason: Yeah, that was intense. 7evenThirty: it's it's like a sound that you never heard before, but it's like this probably what a cyclops would actually sound like jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: screaming in pain with his fucking eye getting poked out. And then he you just felt bad for him from that moment. Tori was like, Man, that scene must have really moved you. I said it really did. jason: Hmm. 7evenThirty: I'm not easily moved. I'm not a very naturally sympathetic person, but certain things can get to me. And I thought they did such a good job. Cause by the end of that scene, I'm like, man, fuck these guys, man. Like I'm on the Cyclops side at the end of it. I'm like, fuck these assholes, man. jason: That's I mean, that's exactly that is exactly how we felt. Cause like and it got even more intense after he was chasing after them and then or before. Yeah, before. Yeah, like before they get 7evenThirty: Right, 'cause he shot him again with the arrow when they had already escaped the cave. jason: they got out the t cave, so now they're free. There's no reason to do anything but just run. But then Odysseus was like, you know what? Let me hit him. And so he just shoots him with an arrow. Just like why? 7evenThirty: And that pissed him off. jason: That was so stupid. And that was the I think that was part of the reason why they had the long journey home. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. yeah. He he cause he walked off crying basically. He's you done broke into my house, you done blinded my one eye. jason: I got one eye and you done took it out. 7evenThirty: And you took it out. Fuck y'all. And then he he just went back home crying. And jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: then you just really felt bad for the Cyclops. And then, but from that point, they were like, that was the son of Poseidon. I'm like, y'all done fuck up. Cause Poseidon rules the fucking sea in the ocean. jason: Right. They said that. They got a f they got a the C. You done messed up his son and y'all got y'all need the C to go home. And it shouldn't take that long to get home, but because y'all stupid and 7evenThirty: Nope. Yep. jason: it's Odysseus' fault, 'cause yeah. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. And we find out, well, when we get we're gonna get back to the horse eventually. But so jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: I'll I'll write down my note here, we'll get to it. jason: I mean I wanna we can go back now if you want. 7evenThirty: Well, so what was it, Zeus's Law or something they were saying? All right, so jason: Yep, I like that. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Zeus's law is basically like the golden rule, pretty much, right? Kind of the same concept jason: Mm-hmm. Right. 7evenThirty: from what I gather. So they fucked up by even doing a Trojan horse way back then, because jason: Mm-hmm. Exactly. 7evenThirty: it was a deceptive thing to do. If you're gonna ambush your opponent, okay, that's whatever. But like it was deceptive to cause they Troy was thinking it was a peace offer. jason: Right. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: So following Zeus's law, if you're gonna offer a peace offering, then you it need to be peace then behind that. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: You need to keep your word for your offering. But they use the peace offering in a way to deceive and infiltrate. You see what I'm saying? jason: Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. That's I mean, that that they show the way they direct it, cause they don't show all of the capture of Troy like in chronological order again. But they also they show a little bit more of the Odyssey, then they go they f they kind of flash back. and I think it's a the way that 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: they present it is beautiful because Matt Damon does a great job at seen the expression of his face, where he's fr like he's like talking to Calypso as an old man. She's like, why don't you want to go home? You know, why 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: don't you want to go home? And so there's like, there's this like question, it's like, 'cause it's like, you don't want to go home. What's going on? So I love it here. Well, why don't you want to go home? And then you see the odd then you see the the Trojan horse. He's like, after 10 years, we finally got into 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: this spot and just and you see them destroying Troy. But it's like, it doesn't feel, it doesn't feel like a victory. The way that they direct it is like, 7evenThirty: And pillaging people and everything, you know what I'm saying? Right. Right. jason: this feels horrible. Like they did it, cause like you see Matt Damon looking like, yeah. And it's like, yeah. Mm-hmm. And I think the most the most Yeah. Yep. That's exactly what it is. 7evenThirty: Right. When they walk you through with them and they're just killing people left and right and taking the women and and killing the children and taking you know, like just they they they doing some old pilgrim some old motherfucking colonizing ass bullshit in that scene, you know, so jason: and I think that the what made the scene the most powerful to me was when they it was a beautiful method, but they showed Athena, Zendaya, as a you know, walking alive 7evenThirty: Yeah, as a a live human, right. jason: and they transition it when it was like knocking over things and they were like, Cut her head off, cut her head off. And then 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: you kind of zoom out and then you see the statue of her, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: like Athena's head fall, and then you look at right. 7evenThirty: 'Cause you see that statue at the beginning of the movie. jason: Yeah. So they do good at that. They do that again. 7evenThirty: That that image of the head falling on mm-hmm. jason: But it shows as that character, 'cause she's Athena, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: right? And then you see Odysseus' of like 'cause she looks up at him 7evenThirty: Okay. jason: like, Why would you do this? And then he's like full of regret and shame. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yep. So 7evenThirty: Cause he even looks away. That's the first time he looked away from somebody getting killed. Because he killed several people on his way up in there. jason: But that was so like it wasn't it was a personification, it was the statue, but it was kinda like a symbolism of all of the people they're slaughtering in the city. 'Cause it's like it wasn't that they were killing Athena for real. but it was like the statue falling, but that was 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Right. She was just a person in the city jason: mm hmm. 7evenThirty: that was, you know, one of the casualties. Yeah, that jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: that that's the one that got to him. When he looked at her eyes, that's the one that right. He was like, man, like, you know. Mm-hmm. That was really well portrayed. Like Christopher jason: Mm hmm. He saw Athena. Yep. Yep. So but yeah, that that Yes. 7evenThirty: Nolan, man. Yeah, he's good. Mm-hmm. jason: Yep. Yeah. Beautifully done. and it made it felt the tension of humanity's decision. It's like you took this image of peace and you used it to to reflect war, to cause your own agenda. And 7evenThirty: Uh-huh. jason: and you basically yeah, misuse Zeus's law. And we also 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: see like some of the pieces they showed is Odysseus character. was like to even when he's hunting, there was a moment of scene where he's hunting and he has like he does the bow and he he like war he does a little like warning sign for the bow. And 7evenThirty: Yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. jason: I think it was John Lakuzamo's character was like, why would you do that? He's like, Well, you know, I'm hunt I wanna be I want to give people a fair chance. It's like, well you're hunting. Like it's not the same as war. And so it's interesting because that's the complete opposite of what he did with Troy Troy. Like he was it's like like animals. 7evenThirty: Right, right, right. He didn't even treat the people of Troy with the same respect. Right, right. Yep. That's a good point. Yep. jason: Yeah. So let's keep talking about that. So yeah. speaking of animals, let's talk about that scene. 7evenThirty: All right, so my favorite part of the movie. My favorite part of the movie w was this with the jason: Okay. 7evenThirty: I love the my favorite parts is definitely the Cyclops and then the my also favorite part is the part where they come up on this island. So, you know, they've been running and they come up on this island, you know, it's like, hey, we you know, we let's stop and see what we can salvage or whatever off this island jason: Stay hungry. Yeah. 7evenThirty: where, you know, we hungry. So I they all get off the boat and then I forget who his right hand dude is, that that one guy, with the beard. but he was like, Yeah. jason: Yeah, I'm a it's Hemish Patel's name, but Eurylys. Relic Eurylocles or something. 7evenThirty: So he was like, Yeah, bruh. We gon we think you should stay here while we go and look. And he's like, Is this a mutiny? Right. jason: This is after he kill yeah, this is after he killed tried to, you know, mess the stuff up with the Cyclops and other stuff. So they're like, We don't trust you It's like 7evenThirty: Right, they've they've he they've lost several people at this point. 'Cause this after the giant folks had killed them too, remember? It's after all that shit. And so they like, jason: yeah, that other island, yeah, full of gi yeah. So 7evenThirty: Yeah, bruh, you need to stay at the at the boat. And jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: he's like, You this a mutiny? He's like, It don't have to be jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: if you stay your ass out here. Like So we got it. And then he was like, Fine. So jason: Basically. 7evenThirty: he he agreed, Odysseus agreed to stay and go hunting. For food while they go see what they can salvage off the island, see if they can find, jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: you know, whatever. All right. So they go and on their way, they see this like this this cottage up on this hill. And so they start making their way to the cottage, but on their way to the cottage, they come across a lion that's just sitting there. Then they jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: come across like a leopard, like a spotted leopard, a black leopard. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: all these big cats, these big exotic cats, they but they ain't attacking them or nothing it, but they are all obviously out of place on this island. It's weirdly out of place, and they're jason: Yeah, they're just looking. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: just looking. that's not even nowhere near their habitat. You know jason: Right. 7evenThirty: what I mean? And so it's the way he did it though, is it brings that fantasy element, but it feels like This is how weird that would really feel if if that you jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: was in a really in if you were really in that world. It's like, that's out of place as hell. Like, what? jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: You know? And so they come up to this cottage and this lady comes up and then she I guess she like tries to run from them at first, and then what's his name? You Euclid, what's his name? The guy Patel. He he jason: Yeah, Eurylo Ke Urlocus, Eurylicus. 7evenThirty: He he grabs her, he's like, Shay's like, it's okay, it's okay, lady. Like, you're okay. You know, we're not gonna hurt you with this, she says, as long as I do what you want. And that's what I told you. I said, trust jason: We look at each other. 7evenThirty: me, we don't want anything. We're just hungry. Right, take as long as I give you what you want, that trust me, lady, I don't want anything from you. jason: Yep. She's like, you can do anything. Take what it take what you need. I was like, we don't need some old ladies like, no, thank you. 7evenThirty: But food, if you got it. And so she offers them jason: Yeah, so 7evenThirty: to come in and you know starts feeding them. And they're eating weirdly, instatiably, like beyond normal. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: Like when you like, okay, at first they're eating it's like, yeah, they would be real hungry right now, but then they just keep eating jason: Right. That's kind of how they started. 7evenThirty: and eating, and then it's like they just become more and more insatiable with how they're eating. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: They're like, And it's like they just can't jason: No. 7evenThirty: fight the urge to just keep devouring this food, devouring, devouring jason: huh. 7evenThirty: this this nasty looking food. It looked like it looked like witch food. Like it's got like eyeballs in it and stuff. And like, you know, it's just jason: Yeah, it's some kind of stew. Which yeah. That's a good point. 7evenThirty: it looks like some food that somebody cast a spell on. You know what I mean? And there's more what's weird about it is if you notice, there's more food. Than what's actually in the bowl. You notice that? They just kept eating, but the bowl was only like that big. And they and it was just a never ending weird, nasty jason: Mm. Mm hmm. Right. It was like a never ending. Yep. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: food bowl. And so they're eating and eating. And then she starts like rubbing on them. And parts of their body start changing. And looking like, yeah, yeah, like like sound, like the the voices, jason: There's also sounds. So there's animal sounds. 7evenThirty: the voices start transforming. into like pig voices, like pig jason: There's oinks and stuff like that, yeah. 7evenThirty: noise. And so I would love to have done the folio on that. but You can notice she's transforming them into pigs by way of this eating spell or whatever she done cast jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: on them. And so meanwhile, Odysseus jason: Wait, wait, wait. 7evenThirty: is jason: You gotta describe what the transformation is like 'cause it wasn't just you talked about Okay, okay, okay. Okay, okay, go ahead. 7evenThirty: Well, I'ma get to I'm gonna get to it. I'm gonna get to Yeah, yeah. Cause 'cause cause they keep flashing back and forth. So me because they're they're they're exposing to the audience what's happening, but also jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: that Odysseus is quickly catching on to what's happened. jason: Right. 7evenThirty: So Odysseus is outside, he's hunting, and he shoots like an antelope, jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: and he does his warning shot, and then the jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: antelope takes off running and he shoots it because he's like Hawkeye, apparently, with the fucking arrow. He never misses. jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Hell, with all the Marvel people, I'm surprised Hawkeye wasn't on a damn movie. But jason: I mean 7evenThirty: he he he shot the antelope. He walked up on it, and it's like a whole naked human with an arrow in his back now. Like he like, wait, what the jason: human. Yeah. Yep. 7evenThirty: fuck? And then he is like he instantly figured out. jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: shit. This island jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: is made of Animals that used to be people. I gotta find the guy. It's like he immediately figured it out. I that was the jason: Mm-hmm. It was immediate, yeah. 7evenThirty: only part that was kind of to me, cause he figured that out way too fast. And so jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: so he ran towards the cottage and ran past all the big cats and shit. And so jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: then they flash back and they're transforming, but the parts that have me laughing, I had to be the only one in the theater that was laughing at this part. But they use practical effects on the on the transformation. jason: Disgusted. 7evenThirty: So she has to like reach in their mouth and like form them into the pigs. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: And so she's but it's she's essentially reaching to a puppet's mouth. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: And it was like, you know, like silicone like cast jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: of these people that's like is made to pull apart and stretch. Like it's kinda jason: Right. 7evenThirty: like American Werewolf in London, if you ever seen that. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: And they're but they're like screaming in pain while this is happening. So it's like jason: It's 7evenThirty: it's a lot of what do you call it? ADR going on where it's like they're they're jason: Yeah. Yep. 7evenThirty: hollering like, no, and then like she's like stretching and shaking the puppets. And that part for some reason made that shit made me laugh jason: That's your favorite part. 7evenThirty: so goddamn hard because it reminded me of all the shit that me and Josh laughed at as kids, like with the jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: with the practical effects and silicon puppets. Cause she had to like reach jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: off down her name. jason: I have never seen yes. 7evenThirty: She had to reach out down in their mouth, but that but the face was bending in like silicone. So it was jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: like that's what made it so funny to me. It's just it's funny to me in the way that when people use dummies for jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: like practical for like a joke, that's how it registers to me. It's it's obviously a puppet. And it's jason: I get it. Yeah. Right, right. 7evenThirty: no matter how realistic you try to make it, it's obviously a puppet. jason: Just yeah. 7evenThirty: And that shit is hillac because I love puppets. That shit's hilarious to me. So that was definitely my favorite part. And I kept they I c I kept thinking, I can't wait to talk with Josh about that part. jason: About it, yeah. So Josh if you're listening. Who the F is Jason and 7evenThirty: Yeah, shaking puppets, shaking Hawaii. jason: Mark using goodness. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Yeah, shaking shaking silicone puppet is is always gonna be hilarious to me. So jason: No, that was I mean that was a creative way to do a transformation. 7evenThirty: It's very creative. jason: Cause I'm like, you know, magical transformation. This is where we talked about earlier. He made Christopher Nolan made the magical grounded. And so like 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: when you see a transformational, it's not like a you know, whiff of of smoke and you know, magically transform. Right. No, it's a it's 7evenThirty: Right. And then it's I'm painlessly changed. Like no, your anatomy is changing. jason: And it you f you hear the crunch of the bones as it's moving. It's like, my goodness. Like you can't get like that's the most grounded transformation I've ever seen. Like it was like, you know, cause I mean we've seen Well, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. You have you seen American Werewolf? jason: that's what I was gonna say. Like we've seen that kind of stuff where f you kind of 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: feel the pain of a of a werewolf transforming, like, ahr, and you 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: kind of moaning and but that right there was it was like someone forcing it with their hand. So it's like it's 7evenThirty: Right. jason: the even And you see the mold of their faces and the hands moving around 7evenThirty: Right. jason: and and she's just like, you know, molding like a like a pottery, like an artist, you know, like it's clay. 7evenThirty: Like clay. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. jason: And which was I was like, it's brilliant. And her motivation made so much sense. I didn't, I mean, I 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: understood why she did it. So she Cersei is her name. and so, you know, she ends he ends up Odysseus ends up confronting her. But there's like this, there's this idea that they're And this is the theme, I think, of of every element of the Voyage poem 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: is they're almost like suffering consequences of their own actions. And so you think about 7evenThirty: Absolutely, yeah. jason: think about the way that they 'cause she mentioned how like these are just all y'all just care about, you know, all the vices and just act like pigs. Like, and that was like this symbolism of just 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: you guys ravage, you guys take, you take what's not offered to you. Like that's the idea, and that's how you treat the world. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: You know, and I think 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: that's definitely social commentary, you know, you 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: know, of that of that command and conquer mindset that you know, warfare, you know, all that stuff is there. So I mean, I Homer's telling, yeah, 7evenThirty: Right. And you just shouldn't piss over everything. Right. jason: I mean Homer's telling that that that idea, 'cause I mean, like, there was Greeks were doing that stuff, you know, they were t 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: they were definitely doing that and 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: Europeans took note and Americans trying to do the same thing. So I mean, there's definitely that element 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: of colonialism that they're showing in that story of like you're just like animals. 7evenThirty: In the whole story, yeah, yeah. The wasn't that like her mom that she had in a cage as a bird or a sister or something? Yeah. jason: So that specific moment. I thought it was a sister. Yeah, 'cause he was kinda talking to her. Yeah, he was asking, so I felt like it was a sister, that was a bird, but 7evenThirty: But the music and the sound of that scene was so powerful because jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: when he went to confront her, when Odysseus went to confront her, he was very patient. It was like, look, I know I'm walking jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: into the home of a witch that she gonna try to get me to. Soon as he went jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: in there and saw them pigs, he knew who it was. And they was all gathering around him and stuff. And jason: Yep, he knew exactly who they were. Yep. 7evenThirty: then when he was sitting there, when she fed him the food, you could hear the sound of the pigs. Trying to bust the door down, telling him, no, don't do it. They might as jason: Right. Right. 7evenThirty: well have been screaming, no, don't eat it, don't eat it. But it was just loud, the pigs were just getting louder and louder. And then the music was building up. And you knew that Odyssey was gonna make it through the scene because it's the Odyssey. But it's like jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: it was just still tension built through the sound and the music that you're it's a visceral reaction that you're like. Even though you know he's gonna make it out of the scene, you can't help but feel the tension of the scene. You know what I'm saying? So they did a real good job with the music on that. And and when they were jason: Yeah, exactly. Yep. Which I thought was a good way of doing it. Mm-hmm. That was a good way. 7evenThirty: infiltrating Troy, the music on that part, and it just kept building up jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: that war music, and then it jason: Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: got faster and faster, like they did a real good job with the music on this too. Yeah. jason: You also you felt it too with IMAX. Like you literally felt it. So 7evenThirty: And and music has a when you feel it like that, it does something to you. Cause that's how the Andre 3000 show felt. Like they're jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: these huge drums and they're like, you know, and it's like your body, when your body gets the vibration, regardless of what you can't fight it. You just gotta go with jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: it. And that's the music of the scene in the IMAX d had that same effect. Where it's like, you're pulled you we're gonna pull you into this whether you wanna be pulled or not. Like you jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: and IMAC, you you're in the Odyssey with them. So I I thought that was pretty cool. jason: Yeah. Yep, yep. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: man. So 7evenThirty: But that giant part was cool though. Where they went to that island and those giants came. They killed jason: Which 7evenThirty: them for no reason. jason: Yeah, 'cause they they walked on the island, they saw a kid, they're like, Hey Then he just started screaming and then a bunch of unstoppable giant warriors 7evenThirty: Owen stop. jason: slaughtered as many as people as possible as they were running away. 7evenThirty: But did you notice that the trees were also caging them in? The trees were moving around them and caging them in. That was crazy. It was an enchanted forest. jason: Yep. Yes, I noticed that. Yep. That was definitely a trap. it was it was beautifully mm hmm. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Like the camera work, man, the jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: the scale of these giants. They wasn't as big as the cyclops, but they were way more ruthless than the cyclops, though. They were root, they jason: At least twice the size. Yeah. Yep. They were at least twice the size, you know. 7evenThirty: just came out, we gonna kill these motherfuckers just for being here. They didn't say shit. They just came out stabbing and swinging. They jason: slaughter you. Yeah, just just for showing up. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Hey, yep. That's it. 7evenThirty: were literally toppling the boats over and shit like. jason: Yes. They were ha they were that big, they could do that. So how do you get away from that? You were mentioning it that every time they would get to another island or another spot, it would be less and less people every single time to 7evenThirty: Yep. Yep. jason: the point where it was just one more boat left, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: with, you know, a dozen people left or something. 7evenThirty: W and what's kind of funny is that I don't even know if it was meant to be funny, but there's several scenes of them. It's a cut to them running the fuck away back to the boat. Like they did that several times. They ran for the jason: Yes, that is 7evenThirty: Cyclops, they ran for the Giants, they ran from the ghosts. You remember what when they went to Hades? They had to run from like a thousand goats, like you know what I'm saying? jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah. That was a that 7evenThirty: Like, jason: that might have been one of my favorite scenes just as far as the way that they the way that it looked. Like it was just a 7evenThirty: The way they portrayed it. Mm-hmm. jason: it was like it was dark. It was it was a moment where Odysseus was encountering all of the fallen soldiers and it was like by by his lead, yeah. 7evenThirty: Yep. That that fell by his lead. Right. jason: So And some of wasn't like he met some people. He was like, I thought you made it home. You know, like that was the king of was it Agamignon? I think it was Agamemnon. And so like his dude, that was probably my favorite 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, the king. Mm-hmm. Whose costume design was incredible, by the way. That braid, that that sp he had a he had a thing on the back of his braid that was like a it was braid jewelry, but it looked like a spinal cord. That shit was crazy. I was like, yo. jason: Mmm, yeah. His whole his whole essence was intimidating. Like he was just 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: like, cause I when they opened up the gates of Troy, he walked up like 7evenThirty: He was the first one that came up. jason: it's like you can kind of see the glow of his eyes. I'm like, man, Agam Agamother Migna. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. That and that when he walked through there, that scene that shot, that scene, that moment, his costume, his stature remind jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: me of Fist of the North Star. They remind me of some shit that'll happen on Fist of the North Star for some reason. jason: Mm, I don't know that. 7evenThirty: It's an old anime with a bunch of big ass motherfuckers on it. Everybody look like that. And and then they come in and they take over something. It does jason: Okay. Okay. Yeah. 7evenThirty: the way that shot looked was Post apocalyptic looking. That shit was crazy. jason: Mm. No, that was good. So yeah, just show that everybody died and everybody's gonna die. That's 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: kind of what it was. It was like, I think it was it was basically the guy, probably Hades, that was speaking to him and giving him a pro prophecy. It like, Yeah, everybody gonna die. Nobody's going home except for you. So So yeah. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: But he confronted the people and they confronted him in attention. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: And it wasn't it wasn't just like, you know. There was some warnings, there was some like 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: shame, there was some how dare you, you know what I mean? Like there 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. jason: was a lot of that it was a confrontation, I think, that was that was powerful. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: It was in his it was a confrontation of his conscience. And like I like the fact that they didn't have to go underground to get to Hades. It was like, no, jason: Mm. Yeah. 7evenThirty: you take this turn and this turn, and then you'll know you're there when you see the ashes meet the it was like when fire meets water or something like that. Or a river of fire meets a river of water. But jason: Mm. Yep, they mention it, yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: it was like volcanic ash, pretty much, is what they were talking about. So it's I thought that was. creative and the way old buddy came out of the ground, who was talking to him, the Hades dude. jason: Right, yeah. 7evenThirty: the way he looked was was pretty interesting too. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: Can can we talk about something? jason: Go ahead. We we we at this point. 7evenThirty: Lapita. What there was so there was a lot. jason: Her character was Helen Detroit, and she had a twin sister. 7evenThirty: Yeah, there was a lot of controversy when she got casted. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: But her being black and all this, and Helen Detroit jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: was supposed to be just the most beautiful face that didn't he say it was the face that was on like a lot of the ships and stuff? And like you know how ships have will have sometimes will have a face carved in the front of it. jason: Yeah, yep. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: it was a lot of controversy when she got casted. And it's like, why you jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: mad? jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: 'Cause think even John Burns almost came out and said something at one point. But it was like You know this is a made up character, right? jason: It's so funny to hear their responses. I mean, it's like the woke mob is like, I can't believe how dare this is what Hollywood does. Just throws things and mis you know, not make it historically accurate. I'm like, historically accurate is so funny. 7evenThirty: Right. Right. jason: you know, but they show these pictures of other people who creatively licensed cr made this made the person. And it's like, well, Yeah, like I think that's 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: just they mad. They mad. Why you mad? 7evenThirty: Right. jason: so yeah, they did that by a couple of characters in the in this in this movie because Yeah, Zendaya 7evenThirty: Zendaya too. Mm-hmm. jason: and then Elliot Page, they were mad at him who transitioned. And so that was like, you got a trans person as a character, like playing 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. yeah. Mm-hmm. jason: a man, then like, yeah, well Cinnan. Yeah, right, right. 7evenThirty: played played Juno back in the day. Yeah, yeah. jason: But the character was actually a I think it was a great cast because it it you kinda had this innocent. Yeah, there's 7evenThirty: They made the character make sense. Mm-hmm. jason: this there was this kind of a boyish innocence about that character that was a that grew into like this warrior, and you saw you see that on his face. Like the the way that Elliot played that character, you kind of saw that betrayal, that that frustration, but that boyish innocence. Cause when you first introduce him in the flashback, he's just a little little kid. 7evenThirty: Right. Just a literally a little boy. Mm-hmm. jason: You know, little kid like, you know, barely ten years old and he's gotta go to war, you know? And so, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: yeah, which I think is the brother of Robert Patterson's character. 7evenThirty: The yeah, the the bitch ass dude's brother. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we ain't even got on him yet. The Disney villain jason: We're gonna talk about him. We talk about him at all. Yeah, we're gonna talk about him. But yeah. 7evenThirty: of this movie. jason: The Disney villain. But yeah, all the controversy, I think that's where it's like people mad because of that. And that I don't even know if they realize that they need to be like they just mad just because they need to be, feel like they need to be mad about something. Cause the movie, like, it doesn't, it doesn't try to Pander you. That's the thing about like, because I get that with the pandering of like, I think South Park made fun of that. South Park made fun of that. So it's like, yeah, they try to throw stuff just for for no reason. This doesn't connect. And 7evenThirty: I know what you mean. How these movie be squeezing in representation just for it to be there. Yeah, yeah. jason: so I think that this movie doesn't do that at all. Like, it's like it casts actors to play the character to present, like you're in a play, you know? So 7evenThirty: Right. Right. jason: it's like Nobody looks like a cyclops. Like that's not, you know what I mean? Like you put you you got the person to come into the character and they just represent that character and they reflect. 7evenThirty: I wonder who that was playing the Cyclops. Was that Andy Circus? jason: They said it was Bill Irwin. 7evenThirty: Mm, okay. jason: So, but yeah, so I mean, you know, if you if you concern, I think that I heard that Elon Musk is making a full version. 7evenThirty: Bill Irwin, yeah, that was him. Damn, that looks like him. The ch he side note, side fun nugget, he was on a really fun episode of the Cosby show way back in the day. And he played jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: the magic guy. and he would like walk down into a box and like do he's really good at doing physical stuff with his body like physical performance with his body. So that's That's an interesting casting right there. That dude is seventy six years old, man. jason: Mmm. Yeah. He's 76. Wow. Yeah. That was a great, that was definitely a great cast. He did great. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: Yeah. that's cool. Okay. Apparently he was on Interstellar too, somewhere. Okay, that's cool. Yeah, he's a choreographer, jason: Yep. So 7evenThirty: a clown, a comedian. Like jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: so he does this he's good with playing with his physical with with his body. jason: Which makes sense. Which w why his face would like I f I could see why they would could cast him for that. 'Cause 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: he could chew in a way to make it look like they were supposed to add effects to it, of course, but like he could you can't c you know, create something out of nothing. Yeah. Yeah. Cause even the way that he was 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Right. But just the physical, his his performance moving around as the Cyclops. jason: the way that he was sitting in the in the cave, you know, walking through the cave and moving through 7evenThirty: Yeah. Yeah. jason: the cave is like that's a yeah. So 7evenThirty: It was cool, man. jason: mhm. But yeah. let's let's let's talk about the because we almost home. So let's talk about let's talk about the suitors and let's talk about the Robert Patterson. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: So there is a moment where Tom Holland ends up talking with John Bertnall and Lupita and there's like a tension of like trying to figure out where his dad is. so that's 7evenThirty: The John Bertho is the one who's telling the part about the Trojan horse. He he's he's basically narrating that part of the story. Yeah. To Tom Holland. Right. Right. jason: Yeah, he's he talked about that. Yeah. Mm-hmm. To to Tom Hollings. Like, did you know about what happened in the s in the horse? Like, did you know what happened inside? And so he was there. and so that was a good 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: depiction of how that was told. and he's the husband of Helen of Troy who's scarred. and I don't know. her twin, yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Mm hmm. Now why is she scarred? And what was up with her sister? Is is her sister the wife of the big dude, the scary dude? jason: Her twin her twin sister was mad at and this I think this was a significant because it was like warning to Matt Damon, Odysseus, but her twin sister killed Agamemnon, who was the husband of Agamemnon, like Agamemnon was the husband of 7evenThirty: Yeah, that's right. That's right. Yeah, yeah. jason: Helen's twin. And so she was mad that, you know, I think they sacrifice like they sacrificed the child or something like that. It was like a moment where like You left and this cat our kid died and you're responsible for all this stuff. And so when he returned home and thought it was gonna be a welcome back, like, man, you did you're victorious. But it's 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: like, no, you you met you a horrible person and I'm gonna kill you because of it. And so 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: Agamignon ended up warning Odysseus is like, Hey, look, don't think that when you go home, it's gonna be a welcome package. You need to you need to enter with wisdom and and maybe not be so not be so obvious. 7evenThirty: Talking about the ghost of Adam in none and said that. Yeah, yeah. jason: Yeah, no, Ghost of Agminon said that. So which which makes sense of why he went the way he went. And so, 7evenThirty: Right. jason: but yeah. 7evenThirty: That's why he went in disguise when he went back. jason: So I think that Tom Holland's character, Telema Tem Telemachus, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: Odysseus's son, after coming back home, is like, all right, look, I guess he's dead, cause it like we don't know. So we need to go ahead and figure out something to make this work. So, so but in the middle of that though, we see more more bandits and here and people like attack. And that's when they attack which I love seeing the character. I love seeing John John Lickuzamo's character. him as a loyal servant, like basically train and and guide and and be just 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: a be like this, you know, blind wise, you know, 'cause he couldn't see well. but he 7evenThirty: Right. But he can fight too though. jason: could fight. But they end up attacking him and I think taking 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: the doll. It was a bunch of like stuff of just like ridiculousness. They they the suitors treated him. They just were treating him 7evenThirty: Now why why were they doing it? Is is it because they were jason: When they attacked him? 7evenThirty: Yeah, I'm saying why I think is are those the people that the Disney villain sent to to jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: kill Tom Holland? jason: No, well they were trying to yeah, I think they were trapping him. So like 7evenThirty: Right. jason: that's what happened. They were trying to trap him. So they they beat up they beat him up. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: and then they were like gonna they were gonna basically like do an ambush on him to kill him because their whole goal was if he's dead, then the suitor can just what you know go back in line clearly. 7evenThirty: Right. jason: So they always wanted, but they Yeah. Well 7evenThirty: The suitor, Batman, aka jason: say was a there was a bunch of them. Batman wanted to be a suitor. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: Dr. Dre wanted to be a suitor. you know. So so there was a handful of people that were like they Yes, yes. Yeah. Robert Patton, yeah. 7evenThirty: yeah, that's right. We mean the actors that played the Batman in in in the Batman. The guy from Twilight, right? and then the guy who played Dr. Dre in NWA in in case anybody's confused. And he was an asshole in this movie, by the way. Dr. Dre, yeah. jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's what we're talking about. So the whole movie, yeah. He was one of the he was definitely, and it was actually relieving to see him die when he did. So 7evenThirty: He had one of my favorite deaths in the movie. jason: So I let's go ahead. 7evenThirty: I s yeah, yeah. So explain that part, the the suitor part. jason: Well, yeah, so the whole suitors, they're they're trying to they're basically they took over the whole palace. So every day party and do all this other stuff. And I love that they show that at the very beginning, but they show how aggressive and like un unwelcoming they are. there's a moment at the very beginning which which ends up being a foreshadow where they talk about Zeus's law. There's like this beggar that comes in at the very beginning and he's walking around and then I think Tom Holland's like, You gotta tr you gotta treat him with like Zeus's Law. Like we we value people if they You know, they come, you may you might be entertaining a god. You never know. Like that's part of that. Like entertain the stranger because you may be entertaining a god. And so, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: so he like, you know, made sure this guy had food and all this stuff. But the other suitors are treating him 7evenThirty: Zeus's Law. jason: yeah, they were treating him like crap. And so fast forward where there's a moment where we start seeing how other people treat other people. and that's where I think when Odysseus comes back, he has a plan and 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: He's coming to observe and he pretends to be a beggar. And so that's where 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: he finally interacts with Telemachus, which he doesn't he doesn't tell who he is at first. Yeah, he doesn't 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. He still doesn't reveal himself. Right. jason: tell who he is at first. He's just like, hey, I I fought with your dad. And this is where I laughed a little bit because he said, I fought with your dad in the wars. And then I think there was a moment where he he sound like he said a line that kind of reminded me of Star Wars a little bit, because he's like, I can't remember the line that he said. 7evenThirty: you said yeah, you did say something reminded you of Star One. jason: Cause Tom Holland was like, he said something to him. I was like, this feels like a a conversation between Obi-Wan and Luke Skywalker. Yeah. 7evenThirty: And Luke. Mm-hmm. jason: And so I fought with your dad in the Clone Wars. You know, what was he like? So that's what it 7evenThirty: Yeah. Yeah. jason: felt like. But it was actually his father. So which would have been an interesting twist if we end up finding that the real father of Luke. 7evenThirty: Right. Surprised Mark Hamill wasn't in the damn movie. jason: yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So but yeah, he's up he he knows what's happening 'cause he's smart and so he's like, All right, let's you know, they gonna get you, they try and kill you. So but I'm gonna help you. And so we're gonna 7evenThirty: Mm, mm. jason: make a plan. So he ends up they ended up getting back. 7evenThirty: And this beggar, this beggar in disguise is already giving badass vibes. You know. Right. jason: I mean, he's epic, you know. So, but the moment that he realizes, I think Telem Telemachus knows that it's Odysseus because he don't know what he looked like for real. He knows him, or when the dog responds the after twenty years, the dog that's dying responds. Yep. Mm-hmm. Yep. 7evenThirty: Yeah, the dog responded. Yeah. 'Cause that dog had been waiting to die till he got back. That's what it was. The dog was waiting to die till his master got back. The dog was like, I don't give a fuck how bad I'm dying. I'm not leaving until Odysseus is back. And then by the jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: time the beggar, you know, Odysseus, disguised as the beggar, catches up with this jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: dog and he like whispers something to him and then the dog just passes on at that point. jason: Yep. And that's when that's when Telemachus knows. Yep. 7evenThirty: That's when he realized mm-hmm. jason: And they go in and they got a they got a they got a plan. I think that is it Penelope? Yeah, he would say that. Penelope 7evenThirty: 'Cause he kept saying, Odysseus is alive, you know, Odysseus Mm-hmm. jason: didn't realize it was him, I don't think, until the era. 7evenThirty: Right. She didn't realize until the until he strung that bow. Because part of the combat competition for the suitors was, she was like, fine, whoever can string this bow and and shoot it through them 12 axes, shoot an arrow through them 12 axes, I'll fuck it. I'll marry him. And that was her attitude about it. She's like, I'm tired of wait. She's like, I'm tired of wait. Right. She wants to burn them all. She wanted to lock the door and burn them all out. Cause she was over it. jason: I'll marry him. Mm-hmm. Yep. Cause she wanted to burn them all alive. That's what she says. That was a funny line. That was a funny line, I think. Was it Robert Patterson that said that? He was like, Well, we just gotta do what your mother wishes. And she's like, My mother wishes that er all y'all burn. I love that line. That was probably my favorite line. But yeah, they go in. That was a great fight 7evenThirty: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then so, you know, jason: scene. 7evenThirty: yeah, so so everybody's been trying to string this bowl and all this stuff. Dr. Dre tried it. everybody fucking tried it. And and the Disney villain, he never tried it, right? I don't think he ever tried it. Yeah, Patterson, 'cause he was a bitch. He was he was trying to tell everybody. Right. jason: Mm. Patterson? No. He he just was like yeah, he was like, Well, we it's obvious. That we don't no one can do this. So, you know, w we we'll just, you know. 7evenThirty: Right. And then he's like everybody's trying and then the he this is in the background, he said, I haven't tried yet. Everybody was like, the burger, it's like, no, give him a sh jason: Yeah. Let's 7evenThirty: give him a shot. Let's see. jason: I wanna go back though the day the night before when they treated him like crap when he was in the when he was in 7evenThirty: They treated him like crap. jason: they kicked him and spat on him and threw food at like it was like it was like 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: and he just and he just accepted it and I'm like whoa and so you know exactly and I was like 7evenThirty: It w it was a get out of my face moment. what Josh Josh would call that a get out of my face moment. Where you know they're gonna get theirs at some point. Yeah. jason: All of that part I was like, Ooh, I cannot wait till they get their just dessert. That made that last scene so refreshing. When he tr when 7evenThirty: Right. Yes, yeah. It was great. It was great. jason: he strung a bow and just destroyed it. It was a great fight scene though. That was like that was a good you see the 7evenThirty: Yeah. He this motherfucker he strung the bow and then just out of nowhere, he just did it. He didn't say anything, he just strung the jason: Mm. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: shit out that boat and everybody just got quiet. And then Dr. Dre looked over, he You're Odysse He got him right in the neck when he said that. Well, we we cheered on that part because jason: They was funny. We did. 7evenThirty: we happened to be at the theater at the same time, sitting next to each other. Yeah. jason: Yeah, at the same time sitting next to each other. 7evenThirty: We just happened to be at high five distance of each other so jason: Yep. High five distance. 7evenThirty: and then he took out everybody like on some fucking on some fucking assassin creed motherfucking what's what's that jason: Assassin's Creed or something, yeah. 7evenThirty: the born identity type shit it has some born identity in there some it was jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Matt David. Yep. huh. 7evenThirty: it was it was vintage Matt Damon action jason: It was pretty epic. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: Matt Damon I was like alright Matt Damon you still got jason: Yep. Yeah. 7evenThirty: And so he took out basically everybody in there and jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: until some people just conceded. Some people just kneeled, like, look, I don't even want that smoke. I don't want it. You the king, you got it. I'm kneeling. You got it. And then meanwhile, old bitch ass was still like, jason: Mm-hmm. Yep. You the real king. You huh. 7evenThirty: get him, get the weapons. And it was this one jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: guy, because it was a simultaneous fight, it was another guy trying to pass weapons down from the cause they had locked up a lot of the weapons. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: and he was trying to get weapons down s to help people fight Odysseus and then Tom Holland had to defeat him from jason: Right. 7evenThirty: doing that. And then when he finally the most satisfying death was when Odysseus killed bitch ass with and and he gave him that thing back. jason: his name. His n his actual name. 'Cause I don't think we called him by his name at all. 7evenThirty: He gave him that thing back that his brother had th jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: that died. jason: We never even called him by his name ever in this whole podcast. Ant Antenos. 7evenThirty: What what what is his name? jason: Antinoas. Antinoas. Yep. So but yeah. 7evenThirty: Okay. Yeah. Antinoas, Ant Anthony, fuck Anthony. Yes. Same thing. Yeah, you know, same thing. jason: Yep. Same guy. Anthony LaRusso. That was his name in this. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: but yeah, he gave the the the lot. So like what happened when his little brother took the lot and went on, that was Cinnan, Elliot Page's character, took the lot 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: to to, you know, go to war. Robert Patterson was like, I'll do it, but he didn't really want to do it. He was a punk. 7evenThirty: No. No. He let his little jason: You know what I mean? Like it's like you need to stay at home. 7evenThirty: ass brother go. jason: Yeah, exactly. So it's like, mm-mm. So he threw that back at him, like, here you go. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: Yep. And then he killed him. That was that was great. 7evenThirty: Yeah, it was great. It was great. jason: So I was reading some notes. The ending so the ending alters from Homer's story. so I think that there's like Odysseus and Penelope leave, they leave. 'Cause 7evenThirty: Creative license. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. jason: a part of part of the redemption of I think it was when he was talking with maybe he was talking to Calypso or to Hades, but it was like, I need to honor the dead. There was a moment where 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: he didn't know how to honor he wasn't honoring the dead well. And so there was a point where there Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. Throughout the movie that was a theme, you know, people were like, you know, we honor our dead, like, well he's we're honoring him by escaping. Right, you know. jason: I gotta survive. Yeah. Yeah. And so there was a level of that selfishness there. But then he kinda took all that at the end and was like, you know what, I need to go on a journey west or whatever to honor 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: the dead. so we follow the sun and sunsets and 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: we'll go and honor the dead in a in a way that brings, you know, communion. So he left Ithaca 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: and allowed Telemach tel Telemachus to be the king after 7evenThirty: Mm hmm. jason: all of that. 7evenThirty: Yeah, he said he was gonna go into exile. Yeah. That's part of his retribution. jason: In the end. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Because it kinda looked like he died. Yeah, there was a moment where it looked like he got like he got stabbed and he was about to die, but he was like, No, I'm like it's not death. I'm I'm I'm I'm leaving to go to exile. 7evenThirty: So what happened at Homer? Did he just die? jason: I th I don't is this Yeah, I don't let's see the you read the book. 7evenThirty: forget. I I I really can't remember. Yeah. jason: So But I don't think that Telemachus becomes king. I think that he I mean he does return home. so 7evenThirty: That's what I like about the story is that the director is taking some creative liberties and telling a story, but is weaving in the classic story of the Odyssey. So it's jason: Mm-hmm. Right. 7evenThirty: still most of the story is still the Odyssey as you know it, but it's within jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: this. Bigger epic. You know what I mean? jason: Yeah, so 7evenThirty: I think it's cool. jason: what are some of your favorite characters 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: or your favorite character? 7evenThirty: My favorite character straight up is the Cyclops. I think he was the most interesting character. He didn't, he didn't say, jason: I knew you were gonna say that. 7evenThirty: he didn't say really anything, but he was the most, he was very relatable somehow. Just very jason: Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: compassionate, not compassionate, but sympathetic towards this character jason: Right, right. 7evenThirty: who was literally minding his own business. And then jason: Minding his own business. 7evenThirty: here come these white folk. jason: Ha ha ha. 7evenThirty: Doing whatever they want just cause they feel entitled, including taking jason: Doing a thing they do it. Yep, doing what they do. 7evenThirty: his eye and then just leaving. Just came jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: around and just fuck shit up and I think that's why I relate to this character so much as a as a black man or something. I don't know. Like it's like jason: Mm, mmm, mm. 7evenThirty: I'm literally just minding my own fucking business. I was here by myself. I was out of the way. jason: minding my own business. Just minding. Minding. In a whole cave away from everybody. 7evenThirty: I was out of the way. Away from everybody. I literally was good. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: And here y'all come. Just doing what y'all do. jason: Yep. 7evenThirty: Where you don't belong and then come fucking jason: huh. 7evenThirty: stuff up and then and then now you leaving cause you scared, but and now I'm fucked up because you were here. So I don't know. I I really relate to the Cyclops, man. second favorite. jason: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I feel it I feel it. 7evenThirty: Second favorite character. I enjoyed I thought Odysseus was an asshole, but I enjoy his character art. he he didn't stay an asshole. And I'm jason: Yeah, yeah. It was honest. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: glad that he felt guilty, and I'm glad he suffered, and I'm glad he lost all his men and lost everything. And jason: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: then he only was able to regain, he was only able to reconcile after he learned how to honor his dead and own. take ownership of what he did wrong jason: Right. 7evenThirty: and and still is on a journey by the end of this movie. He's still on a journey jason: Uh-huh. 7evenThirty: to atone for his wrongdoings. jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: And he's forever like got this image of this horse in his head. It's like that's his burning conscious that horse. jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: You know what I mean? So even though he was an asshole, I can respect his character arch. I thought he was very well written and portrayed. And you know he's Matt Damon. Like he's, you know, he's gonna nail it. jason: Yeah. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: But and the honorable mention I thought that I thought that Tom Holland was jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: was good in this movie. I didn't think of him as Spider-Man. He's not typecasting himself. He's he's just a good actor. I didn't jason: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's good. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: think of any other role and I thought of him as telep to telepathic was Telemachus. jason: Telemachus. Telepathy. Telemachus, yeah. 7evenThirty: and and he's just a honest character. He's not trying to jason: Right. 7evenThirty: steal the show. He's just playing his part. And trying to help the jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: main character. So I thought he was right in the pocket. jason: Yeah. Yep. no, that's good. I I wanna mention 'cause I would I would say my I'm gonna start with my honorable mention as Odysseus because I think that 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: agreeing with you that his character art was amazing and that I think that from the author of Homer's telling this story, it just shows the honesty of humanity. I think that's where it's like, you know, not trying to tiptoe or fairy tale it. Like the hero of the story asn't always in this story is not a good person. And I think that it shows the humanity of the fact that he needs the lessons learned. even though he's 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: brilliant and a genius, the smartest person's not always the most, you know, the person that actually Yeah, 7evenThirty: Yeah. He still got a lot of growing to do. jason: exactly. So I think that's that's what I love about the way that Matt Damon portrayed the character and just goes back to the writing of Homer and the the 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: directing of of of Christopher Nolan. So yeah, that's definitely good. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: I would say that my top two, and I don't know if what order, but I'm gonna start with Athena. I think that she didn't have a lot of words in this in this movie. but 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: her presence was powerful every time she was on screen, you know? Like cause you see 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: her, you first see her on the beach with Odysseus walking, and you're like, what? Like, you know, you kinda figure out 'cause you don't You don't know who she is at first. Like I didn't you know, I didn't read the list of what the names of the character. I didn't think I knew who she was, Athena. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: But like you kind of see that in the way that they portrayed her. And of course I mentioned her face. 7evenThirty: I think she just Sendea is just a beautiful, graceful person anyway. Like her stature is very jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: she's very s slender and graceful. And the way they had her dressed and the her face is jason: Yep. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: really all you see is she just g she's she's gorgeous. But and it's just like, jason: is a perfect cast for Athena. 7evenThirty: Okay, yeah, Athena, I see that. Yeah. jason: Yep, it was a perfect cast. Like I wouldn't I don't think anybody else could have did that as well. 7evenThirty: She expresses a lot with her eyebrows. Which is that's that judgmental look she kept giving. Like you jason: Which is why she didn't have to say much. And so it was Yeah. Yep. 7evenThirty: if she look at you like that, you gonna feel like, man. Like you you're gonna be like, damn, I fucked up. jason: Mm-hmm. Yep, exactly. And that's and that's where you see you see Odysseus Conscious like get 7evenThirty: Uh-huh. jason: hit multiple times as his as Athena is his like divine guide type person. It's 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: like there's moments where it's like, you know, and you see all you 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: see is her face, and it's like, ooh. And you and her face tells the story. Yep. 7evenThirty: That's all you need. Right. That look of disappointment is all you need. jason: So yeah. but my the other character that I was surprised to love when I think he did an amazing job acting and the character seemed very significant in a different kind of way, but it shows some tension was John Lin Cazamo's character. I absolutely loved 7evenThirty: Yo, yeah. jason: him playing that role. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: he he was the s the wise sage, you know what I 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: mean? the the loyalist to Odysseus. and just humble. Like he was a humble guy that 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: was like but azuded power and wisdom. And I think that's where it's like the best of the character. Like if you think about 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: the the the the worst of a character in Odysseus, you know, you see Nimius 7evenThirty: Mm. jason: as a best of a character, even though he was f physically flawed, blind, you know, older, you 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: know, not as not as physically powerful, but He had he actually did have the wisdom and the guidance that could help lead. So that's why I and then John Linquisamo did an amazing job playing him. It was like 7evenThirty: I was about to say, I I just wanted to shout out John Lake Wizamo as an actor. I don't think he gets jason: Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: talked about enough. He don't get his flowers nearbout enough. He's jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: an amazing actor. He is incredibly well read and intelligent on like history and political issues, too. If you ever follow him on IG, he jason: Yep. Mmm. Mm. 7evenThirty: is not playing no games right now. Like jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: seriously, ever since Trump took. took back office, he'd been posting every day about the Project 2025 and all this stuff. So jason: Mm. Wow. 7evenThirty: just on the personal activist level, dude is jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: brilliant. As an actor, he's he's incredibly brilliant. I like jason: Mm. 7evenThirty: him in everything I've seen him in. Even the like, you know, people talk shit about people talk shit about like the past and stuff like that. jason: Yep. Even Mario. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, yep. Mm hmm. 7evenThirty: But he's supposed to be annoying in that movie. He's a cartoon character in that movie. But what's that movie? Two One Fu? Where he Yo, that character, he you he made up that jason: yeah He had to act. 7evenThirty: character. That's a stand up character of his. jason: No 7evenThirty: That he already had that character before that movie. He is amazing jason: Yeah. 7evenThirty: in his voice acting. And I mean, I can go on about John Leguizamo. So in this movie, I do agree, 'cause I think at one point we leaned over and like, this dude is like all in character right now. Like he like he jason: Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. 7evenThirty: I didn't even expect him to be in it, but I'm always refreshed to see him in anything. so jason: Mm-hmm. Yeah. 7evenThirty: shout out John Lakuzama. jason: All right, Radents. 7evenThirty: Man, I would give this a very high Sequel. I think jason: Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: sequel is right under Nick Bleed, right? Yeah, I would give it a very high sequel. not that I need a sequel, but just based on our rating system, I would give jason: Right, right, right. Yeah. 7evenThirty: it a very high sequel. It's a very long movie, but I was I was entertained the whole way through. So, you know. jason: Yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: Yep. I I agree with that, Raiden. I I I definitely I think that we talked there's so much about the not just telling the story 'cause it's like you can hear a story multiple times and 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: I think that the as long as we live, we'll probably hear some of the same stories repeated, which is fine. I think that's okay. But I think 7evenThirty: Mm. Mm-hmm. jason: that the Creativity comes when you're able to present it in a way that's unique and special and gives your own signature to it. So I think that, I think sequel, I would say, in my word, Matt Damon keep acting, you know, Christopher Nolan keep directing, you know what I mean? Like create other 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: stuff that gets us this type of epicness that retells a story in a creative way. you know, yeah, I definitely would do a a sequel. in that in that rating. plenty I think a 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: few people's neck bleeds in this movie, but that's not a neck bleed for me. I think yes. If you 7evenThirty: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's I mean, if if you're a epic lover, if you if you like Christopher Nolan, if you like Epics and All Star Casts, i it could be a neckblade for you. You jason: Yeah, yeah. 7evenThirty: know, it's li I was gonna ask you, would you buy this movie? jason: Yeah, I mean, I haven't bought I haven't bought a movie in a long time. so I don't think 7evenThirty: On physical media, like would you buy this? Is it that epic? Is it epic enough for you to buy? jason: that I don't think that I would buy it. I'm 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: thinking I would probably this will be me. I will watch it again. it is three hours long. That's possible. 7evenThirty: Yeah. What you watching the theater again or wait till it streamed? jason: you know, it's possible, but it is three hours. So I gotta be like, Am I gonna spend that long? 7evenThirty: Yeah, just be ready. jason: Yeah, 7evenThirty: huh. jason: I think that's the that's probably the only thing that like if it was not that I needed to be shorter, 'cause I think that like you said, it was entertaining the whole way through. Like I wasn't a moment where 7evenThirty: Yeah. jason: I like, I need to go get some popcorn or use it. I was like, Yeah, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: I'm I'm engaged. I didn't even fall asleep on my night, you it was already past my bedtime by the time it was over with. 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: So I was like, it was entertaining. Like it was So, 7evenThirty: Mm-hmm. jason: but yeah, I don't know, would you buy it? 7evenThirty: Feel the same. It was great to watch in the theater. I'm not sure if I would buy it, but I would definitely stream it again. jason: With me. 7evenThirty: the IMAX was incredible, especially with edibles. I was in this movie. So that was good. Yeah, it was great. I was in I was in the artist. Mm-hmm. jason: man, better than VR, huh? You had a different type of experience. Yeah, you said he was in the cave and in the waters and all that stuff. So yeah. Yeah. 7evenThirty: The sound and everything. It was it's a good experience. so I would definitely stream it again. if somebody I got a brother in law that said he wanted to see it. If he wanna see it bad enough, if he wanted me to go, I'll go. You know what I'm saying? But jason: Yeah, I get it. Mm-hmm. 7evenThirty: Yeah, yeah, it was I enjoyed it more than I expected to enjoy it. So yeah. jason: Yeah. Cool. Well, that's our podcast. any final thoughts? 7evenThirty: This movie really, really makes me not want to support Trojan condoms. jason: Yep. Good night. 7evenThirty: Durix. Good night.