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Talks to Ken Moss about his choice of Robot (1/4) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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Hamster with a Blum pen knife for doing quicker.
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Quicker. Quicker.
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Welcome back to A Hamster with a Blum Pen Knife, the Doctor Who
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Commentary Podcast. I'm here today with the man that
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I consider has the sexiest voice in all of podcasting, Mr. Ken
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Moss from The Extra Moss Experiment.
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Hello, Ken. Hello Joe.
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It's a pleasure to be here. Thank you.
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You know what I did earlier? Can I confess something to you?
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Go on. Oh, there's nothing about
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masturbation. Don't worry, I went online and I
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found some audio clips of you on YouTube.
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You know, reading poetry. Oh my God, I do do that.
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It does happen. I started sending it around to
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friends and saying listen to this voice.
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This fellow's coming on my podcast tonight as he got the
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sexiest voice you've ever heard. I'll tell you what, there's a
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load of men out there right now. I've been raging hard ONS
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listening to you on YouTube. Well, yes, Speechless you.
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Speechless already. Yeah, that's going to be an
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interesting podcast, isn't it? I have actually done that.
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One of the proudest things I've done.
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This was a lockdown thing. Have written the rest of
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thoughts on a clock. OK.
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And it's been on BBC Radio, Lancashire and all.
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I watched one where you were doing about the adventures of a
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carrot. Oh, Kevin the carrot.
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I did that for my partner's daughter.
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Yeah, it was really, really lovely.
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First of all, how are you tonight?
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I am tickety Boo and a half. I've got gin in front of me.
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I'm presuming you've got some sort of beverage.
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Yeah, well, I've actually got a gin in honor of the X Moss
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experiment. I can't remember what it's
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called there. You know, I've got 5 bottles of
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gin as leaving presents from when I left my last job
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unopened. So I thought, right, I'll crack
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one open today. What are you drinking?
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I'm on Whitley Neil Connoisseur's Court.
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It was a gift from Paul Isles Rush.
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Well, he's my oldest mate. We've way, way back 30 odd
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years. We went to school together and
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we pod together. Now we do an LGBT podcast called
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9 Bob Note. Well, I can't believe I'm going
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to go and seek that out now. Thank you very much.
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Even more of me. It's never enough and.
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How would you rate the gin that you've got come on while turning
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us into Exton Moss now? What in Bernards we must rate in
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burners, because you've had Simon Exton on before, haven't
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you? And he must have mentioned the
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Bernard scale. Dr. Simon Exon, He did fantastic
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marketing for your podcast and also a phenomenal 6 episode
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commentary on the web planet talking about its many
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strengths. I listened to that over a week,
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that series of pods, and I hate the web planet so much I just
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detest it. And Simon.
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And adores it. And we haven't got around to
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podcasting about that one yet. Yeah, I'm not looking forward to
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it. I'll probably completely change
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my view of it, because every time we've we've randomized a
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Doctor Who, it's actually, even though we've got memories of it
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being a bit shit, they're usually pretty good.
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What the gin helps as well, you know, especially when it's
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something like the Tomorrow People's A Man for Emily.
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Well, look, before we go into the story we're going to talk
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about today, can you just tell everybody if they haven't and
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shame on you if you haven't heard Exter Moss experiment what
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it's all about? The Exter Moss experiment is
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myself and Dr. Simon Exton. We're two mates from We Met at
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the screening of Roles in a pub in Liverpool in 2005.
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There was a fellow Martian moment.
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We hit it off and we've been having occasional weekends
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meeting up, watching archive TV that no one else would ever go
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anywhere near. And about 4-5 years ago he said
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to me one day said you were into this audio lock.
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Is there any way we can record our conversations for posterity?
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And I said, well, if we're going to do that, we might as well do
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a podcast. And so that's how it started,
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and we release one whenever I can get around to editing it,
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which is. Less and less frequent.
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You you say it's obscure television that nobody's ever
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going to watch, but as a result of listening to your podcast, I
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have now watched a number of highly idiosyncratic programs.
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So thank you very much for that because it's enriched my life no
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end. We educate, entertain and enjoy
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and. Get pissed.
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It's a brilliant podcast you haven't sorted out already.
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Go and listen to it, there's a great back catalogue.
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If we did well that will Simon be happy?
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I think Simon will be happy. I'm going to turn the tables on
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this and plug one of your of the podcasts.
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No, don't compliment me. Please, no.
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I'm going to you Wonderful Man Finish big.
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I have discovered this recently because I'm a big Big Finish
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fan. But you and your partner do
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every Big Finish recording ever released from the beginning.
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That's a task. And 1/2.
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But I bloody love your insights and it's also a trip for me down
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memory lane because you were going through a period at the
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minute where they were just starting and I've got very, very
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warm glows about that period. Remember that teen bop band
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Busted? They did that song the year
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3000. Yeah, that's where Mark and I
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are going to finish Finish big. If we're covering every single
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thing they've ever released because there's a back catalogue
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now. So vast.
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I mean, I'm not sure we'll ever be done otherwise.
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Well, they're releasing spin offs by the day.
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I'm waiting for the Adventures of Pig being Josh the Ligopolis
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security guards. And they're.
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I'll buy it though. Do you know that's usually
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that's the trouble They know will buy this shit you know
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about what they bring out? The marvelous mechanical magma
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beast. It's only a matter of time.
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Well, look, thank you very much. It's my pleasure.
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What are we here to talk about today?
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What story have we chosen Between us to do a commentary
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on? Between us, we sort of
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randomized it because I did suggest that we should pick one
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completely at random. And it's come out as Doctor Who
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robot. That's Mr. Benton is the Doctor.
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You may be a doctor, but I'm the Doctor.
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What are we looking for? Something intelligent, whatever
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it may be, has stolen the plans for the new disintegrated gun.
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You want a better world then true?
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John gave it without some circumstances.
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The robot killed Chambers, lasted the safe open with a
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disintegrated gun and took the codes.
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So what can they do with them now that they've got they could
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set off every atomic missile in the world.
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They want to start an atomic war, Kill millions of people,
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cancel the refractor codes. When that reaches 0, the
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missiles can be fired, they're just once.
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I'd like to meet an alien menace that wasn't immune to bullets.
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I can't bring about the destruction of humanity.
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Before we go into episode one, what are your initial thoughts
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or what do you remember about Robot?
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I haven't seen Robot for years. I first actually saw it on DVD.
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I missed it on VHS. I don't remember being terribly
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impressed. It wasn't bad, it was just a
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little bit dull compared with pretty much everything else in
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Tom Baker's Wrong. I don't remember being too
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unimpressed by the tank that everyone goes on about, but I
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think that had actually been doctored for the DVD.
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But beyond that I can't remember a bloody thing.
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It's. Sort of like a hangover, isn't
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it? It's a pert wee hangover that
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just happens to start Tom Baker. Because Barry Letts is still the
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producer for this last story, Karen Sticks is writing it.
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It features Unit and sort of the team from the previous era.
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Tom Baker's era really starts in Ark, in space.
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Well, I watched Ark in Space recently and it's magnificent.
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I'm not sure you're going to be saying that about this at the
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end of Forest. You never know.
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Should we run Vt and find out? You know what?
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I'm raring to go Rev my engine. Oh, you.
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Dirty bitch that's. What I'm known for.
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You know what shall I count within two episode one?
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Go on then. All right, let's go then.
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In 54321. So I know very little about how
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you came to Doctor Who, and that's what I'm going to ask you
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about first. Doctor Who I was.
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Oh, a wee little baby. My very first memory of Doctor
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Who is, I think the five faces of Doctor Who, because I
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remember watching as a kid. The tard is falling off a Cliff
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with John Persweet and Katie Manning standing on a Cliff.
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Now I was only born in 1978, so it's got to have been a repeat,
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but my first memory of Doctor Who actually on telly was
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putting lane burning the very last shot of the visitation.
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And did you, like, watch every week?
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Were you? Were you a regular watcher?
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Oh yeah, all the time. Davison's what I grew up with,
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and I can remember pretty much chapter and verse.
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All of his episodes I remember. I remember seeing them, even if
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I don't remember specific details.
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Remember being terrified by Terminus?
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I did determine this Coventry last week.
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You know, I'm not sure you find it so terrifying these days.
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The very first one I bought on VHS, and I suppose it was the
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whole intention. It was after the 1992 repeat
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season. So I went out and I scoured and
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I said, right, I'm only going to buy Peter Davison's.
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And then I thought, well, I need to obviously buy the stories
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either side of the regeneration so that I've got it bookended.
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And then I bought Lagopolis and well.
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An ekeeper of tracking to understand this.
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And then it just spiraled from there.
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Oh fuck it. Never know where.
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This is going again. Did you buy the lot?
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I might have done, yeah. The only ones I did, I think the
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only ones I didn't manage to get hold of were Robot and Mask of
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Man Draggera, which I didn't see quite deliberately actually,
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until it came out on Bluray. And it's brilliant.
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What? The mask of man Draggera.
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Yeah, it's really good, isn't it?
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You ever been to Port Marion? No, although I feel that that's
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got to be on the list of places to visit.
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Meet in Portmerion and we'll remake the mask of Mandragra.
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There's a fabulous gay couple in that, You know, honestly, we can
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play those parts. That's just a modern reading
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into it. They're definitely not gay.
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And May God strike me down. Yeah, that was very Homo erotic.
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That was, it was OK. What is occurring in robot?
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We're getting some fabulous POV shots here.
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Oh, we are and. I don't know how they've
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achieved that shot, that point of view shot from the robot.
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Why you would build a robot that can't actually see, I don't
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know. That's not a weird frosted glass
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that you get. I mean, I just shoved that in
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front of the camera has it out though.
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He's. Got Pac-Man fingers.
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So I love the fact that they're doing the usual that kind of
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reveal of the monster throughout episode one.
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You know, sort of arms and claws and shadows and things like that
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to build up the suspense and even though it.
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Fairly impressively designed for the time.
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I don't know. I'm not sure if I would have
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just come straight in showing the robot doing this thing.
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We're better than the two Doctors where they introduced
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the monsters in Long Shot, yeah? That's Peter Moffett for you,
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though. Do you think Elizabeth Sladen
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would make a good Miss Marble? I can see it in that hat she.
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Flattering. Again from the 1992 repeat
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season, I've always had a bit of a thing for Elizabeth Sladen and
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she only got more attractive the older she got.
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How the fuck did the Brigadier get away with that haircut in
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the Army? Oh, he said.
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Very important at this stage, you know, He said.
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I'll be a hippie if I want to do anything.
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You are right there, you know. Did Elizabeth Sweden drink from
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the fountain of youth? Because I swear she just looked
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more stunning with every passing year.
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Well, by the time she got Sarah Jane Adventures, she was one
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stunning woman and very beautiful here, and she peeked
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on screen in the Hand of Fear. She was really gorgeous by that
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point. I think she just conclusive as
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well that the character had legs, you know, to go on and
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jump to her own show. Well, yeah.
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And it's a bit of a shame because Canine and company, I
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adore. I love that I watch it every
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Christmas Eve. I just think it's great.
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It's perfect Christmas viewing. If you listen to the commentary
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on that, though, everybody that worked on it absolutely tested.
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Oh, she's scathing about it, isn't she?
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Anything I can remember about canine and company is people
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going in and out of drawing rooms and being on the phone.
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You remember that fabulous woman, Juno Baker?
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Hello, my dear. Yes, come over if you're not too
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tired. She'll come and get she will.
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I've seen so many people use that for memes, you know?
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I'm fairly sure she was in an episode of 1 Foot in the Grave
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where they were running a hotel or something in the middle of
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nowhere that was actually they lured in strangers and said, oh,
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you can have the honeymoon suite for a special rate.
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And then there's this glass mirror in it, and everyone was
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behind it, just watching them romp away as she was playing
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very much the Juno Baker, but everything we've always thought
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about her. I'm wondering if that's her
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default setting, You know, that's that's all she ever
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played. Oh, can I just say, I think the
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chemistry between Tom Baker and Ian Martha in these early
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scenes, these sort of the manic energy between them when they're
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doing the skipping and singing and easily gets tied up by the
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Doctor. This is just gold.
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See, Tom Baker does hit the ground running, and I've always
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had the same view on actors who played Doctor Who.
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Colleen Baker's said that it's actor proof.
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I'm not entirely sure. I agree.
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Nobody's been bad at it, but some have been better than
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others. And I don't think you can just
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walk on screen and be Doctor Who.
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You have to have something about it.
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Some have had it more than others, but it's got to be said.
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Really. Tom Baker, I.
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Mean. I mean, he basically is the
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Doctor, isn't he? Or at least after he played it
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every time he's interviewed. I saw him a convention once.
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And he was on another planet. He was doing a panel where he's
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like, you know, would anyone like to ask me any questions?
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And people are saying, you know, oh, you know, who's your
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favorite companion actress to work with?
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And he's going, yes. Well, the thing about death is,
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you know, and he just didn't answer a single.
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He just went off into some weird fan.
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I mean, he's fucking barking, isn't he?
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Well, I remember seeing him on Have I Got News for you a long
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time ago, probably about 20 years ago.
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It was when Angus Deaton was still presenting and he he said
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that Tom Baker was the funniest guest they've ever had because
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he sat there just rattling on about his life.
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And he said, I went to her The Body Shop the other day and I
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asked for an air freshener. I said I live in the country,
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love, you know. Do you do new bread?
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No, you don't. You don't do new bread.
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What about freshly mowned grass? Oh, do you know what?
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He lives up the road from me. He lives in Rye.
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I'm in Eastbourne, So he's just down the train line from me.
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And he always goes on about hanging out in Waitrose and
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charming the people that work there.
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Oh, yes. On the day off, you know, I have
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been known to go down to Waitrose and hang around in the
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hope that he might turn up, but it hasn't happened yet.
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Why? Not because he is looking now
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very frail. He's in his 90s.
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No, he's 89 now. He's only 80. 9.
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OK, but if you look back ten years today of the Doctor, he
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was still this great. Big ball of a man because a big
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finish aren't recording with him anymore, are they?
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No, I've I've been reliably informed that he was making a
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lot of demands. He wanted the scripts to be
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simpler, but apparently they've got enough in the can to last
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until 2030, so you know their retirement fund is is willing
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there. I think once they got hold of
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him they thought right record these before he changes his
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mind. Or loses his mind one or the
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other. But you know what's interesting?
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On the DVD, there's a this weird documentary they did at the time
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of the read through of Robot, and they've got the footage of
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it, but they haven't got the sound right.
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And you can see everybody's having a laugh around the table
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and Tom Baker's there examining his script, not really talking
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to anybody. And clearly because, you know,
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this is where it started and he wanted to make an impact.
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But you sort of skip forward two or three years, You know, he's
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walking into the rehearsal room. He's going, who wrote this
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wicked shit, you know, And he's completely owns the show.
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But I think at this point, before you know, he knew he was
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popular because he could have bombed for a way.
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Oh yeah. And clearly put it in a bit of
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work. Because he was arguably the
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least known of the Doctors at this point, John Scott Martin.
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Demonstrating why for most of his acting career, he was not
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seen on screen. One of the complaints that Peter
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Davidson makes all the time in the behind the sofas is how
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actors have to manoeuvre themselves into the death grips
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of monsters and I think we've just seen that done beautifully
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by John Scott Martin. So what's he after?
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Oh, that's right, he's after the secret papers, isn't he?
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And the components to make the destructor gun, which sounds
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pretty apocalyptic. Yes.
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What should we call our massive weapon?
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Easy now. Easy.
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Get me started. I've never called it a
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destructor gun. Oh, so apparently this wasn't
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scripted. All of this with Tom Baker in
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the various costumes. I do love it.
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I mean, this is just pure comedy.
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Do you think I might attract attention?
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It's just possible. When we did time Meddler not say
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not long ago, it's probably about three years ago I did that
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now. There are some brilliant lines
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from Hartnell in that. One of them my favorite.
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What do you think this is? A space helmet for a cow.
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And it's just that dry delivery that anything with horns on.
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Now I can't look at it without hearing space helmet for a cow.
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Actually, I think that's a really great point.
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I think in the new series, you know they kill a lot of gags by
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playing up sort of that's sort of the style of acting now,
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isn't it? Is you put on a crazy voice or
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high energy, whereas back in the day they sort of downplay a
18:38
comedy line and it's all the funnier for it.
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Yeah, I've been talking about this a lot lately.
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Stars of acting and how they've changed overtime.
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It's like an old fart going, you know, all the good old days, you
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know, when everything was just a bit melodramatic.
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But I do like this style of acting.
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I brought this up when we watched Power of the Doctor and
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you had Janet Fielding chewing the scenery with her 80 style of
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acting up against 21st century acting, which is a completely
19:08
different discipline. And I said at the time that you
19:10
watch any of the 70s or 80s Doctor Who's, there's a lot of
19:15
quite overblown acting in it and it's just exaggerated to a
19:18
point. It's not naturalistic at all.
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But it all fit because everybody's acting in that
19:23
style. You sort of accept it now, but
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you take an actor out of that, put him in a modern program.
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All of a sudden that style jaws horribly, it's.
19:31
That big way. Do you remember where she goes?
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And yes, I would like to go into the TARDIS.
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That's just Tony Whitaker. I love my head off for that.
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But I was like, oh, one thing I loved about that was Chibnall
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refused to make Tegan likeable. She's still a total cowbag, even
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in the future. I'm really not the best person
19:50
to talk to. For a balanced appraisal of
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Chris Chibnall's era. I'm aware of this.
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Don't. Worry Have I mentioned it once
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or twice in podcast form? Well, I think the first time you
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heard my name, Simon said oh, you know, yeah, yeah, he's got
20:04
this podcast, How to a Blunt Pen Knife.
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You know, it's really funny. They really celebrating the show
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and he really likes Jodie Whitsker's doctor and Chris
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Chibnall. And you went ah.
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I think you're interested in this podcast Died there.
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You see, I've really tried to like Jodie Whitaker's Doctor
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Who. She's just been written for so
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terribly. There's so few moments where she
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is really shown off screen. She's been giving some terrible
20:34
dialogue. It's been 3 Series and a couple
20:38
of specials of what is going on. Tell me, tell me what's going on
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and then end credits and make things resolved.
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I'm going to call Big Finish up now.
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Get them to have you do the Jody Whitker adventures.
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They've already got somebody to do Jodie Whisker, although she's
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playing Dodo. Oh, she does sound like her,
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doesn't she? She is this audio spit of Jodie
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Whisker. Who?
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The forecaster, Lauren Cornelius.
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Yeah, that does ring a bell. Yeah.
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A bit of direction required there.
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Man. You.
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It's entirely in keeping with Dodo as a character.
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She got a voice on shop demonstration mode.
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Whose accent is it anyway? But, you know, I think it's
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interesting. I think if people don't like
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Chip Nil's stuff, I think then they're marred with the fact
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that, oh, you don't want a female doctor.
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You know, you can't handle any of that.
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And and I don't think that's true.
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You know, sometimes you can. Just not like the creative
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approach. I'll be quite honest, My heart
21:35
sank when I saw the trailer and it was a woman playing Doctor.
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I'll be quite honest, that was my initial reaction.
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I really wanted to go into it with an open mind, but
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everything about that first episode was just dumb to piss
21:49
people off. There was No title sequence the
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characters of. I mean, why would you have a
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title sequence that good and a title theme arrangement that
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marvelous and not use it on your first episode?
22:05
Yeah, that is baffling. Because it's a cracking
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rendition of the theme. So there was that, but I just
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don't think she was very well written for.
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The very best scene she did was actually the regeneration.
22:17
That was fantastic. Wasn't it great?
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Yeah, I love that thing. I mean, that's up there with the
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best regenerations at all. She got the better.
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I think she's got possibly the best ever exit line for a
22:28
doctor. I just loved how optimistic it
22:30
was as well. Gloom Man pain that we've had
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for the last couple of regenerations.
22:36
Oh Christ almighty, Tenants was the worst of all.
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We had half an hour before. Come on guys, I already.
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Even Capaldi, when he fell on the floor in the TARDIS, I
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thought, this is it, this is it. He's knackered, he's worn out.
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He's going to regenerate on the floor.
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Nope. We've got another half hour of
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spiel without pears and yogurts. And Smith.
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Matt Smith had a long old speech as well, but then I did like the
23:00
fact that he sort of sneezed and became Peter Porky very quickly.
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Ken, have you seen The Sarah Jane Adventures?
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I'll just because watching this episode, basically the Doctor's
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not doing a lot, is he? He's suffering from his post
23:13
regeneration trauma and he's having a bit of a laugh.
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Sarah is the one doing all the investigating and I think she's
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doing rather well. Yeah, I have seen The Sarah Jane
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Adventures of all these spinoffs they've done.
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That was to me the most consistent.
23:27
Not necessarily the best, but it was the most consistent.
23:29
And it's such a shame that well, on many levels that you know
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what? The day that I read, I remember
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vividly the moment I read that she died and you hear people die
23:42
and it's oh, he was, he was on screen when I was a kid.
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Oh, that's sad. That was a real sucker punch.
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I was. I can remember for some reason.
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I don't know why, because I I don't watch the news.
23:54
My partner rang me and told me just before I had a group of
23:58
friends coming over who were Doctor Who fans, and I was
24:02
gutted like beyond. I actually ever experienced
24:06
proper grief before because no one in my family had died or
24:08
anything like that, but this was like a part of my childhood that
24:10
had died. I was.
24:12
So I was inconsolable and it was pretty miserable evening as well
24:15
as you can imagine. But I think she's doing a bit of
24:20
that here. But in the transition between
24:23
John and Tom, you very often need the companions to step up a
24:26
little bit. I think it happens with Ben and
24:28
Polly and the power of the Daleks, with the Brigadier and
24:32
Liz Shaw and Spirit and space. You know, the docs are sort of
24:35
finding himself and the companions have to pick up the
24:37
slack. Yeah.
24:39
I mean, I'm just watching this now and realizing the Doctor
24:42
isn't front and center in this. It's probably why it's not
24:45
great. I think the same can be level at
24:48
the first episode or so of Spearhead from Space.
24:50
He's not. I actually, however beautiful it
24:53
looks, the Doctors not front and center.
24:55
It's actually a bit dull. You need that.
24:57
Then Do you need the doctor? Sort of.
25:00
I think I need them to be more involved than they are.
25:03
The Christmas Invasion is one that I very rarely rewatch
25:07
because it's. I've never particularly.
25:09
It's certainly the early Christmas specials I never
25:12
thought were particularly interesting.
25:13
They were all a bit fluffy and tenants hardly in the Christmas
25:17
special. I mean, when he does appear,
25:18
he's magnificent, but I can't really pin down what I'm trying
25:23
to say here, apart from I think I'm distracted by that
25:25
magnificent hair. Look at the state of that He
25:28
needs some real cream. Badly doesn't.
25:31
He we used to wear his hair like that in real life because I've
25:34
seen him in interviews and it's not styled.
25:36
That is how he wears his hair or wore it.
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In fact, he's got like a massive bold spot on the top.
25:42
Hair is so beautiful. You're fooling no one, mate.
25:45
That's why I shaved my head. I started balding at 25 and I
25:49
found out in a horrible way by that rare thing seeing the back
25:53
of my own head. It was on a security monitor in
25:56
the bank. And I thought, well, that's the
25:58
end of that. That's gotta go rather than
26:01
trying to disguise it, which men do, and they always fail.
26:04
So was that it? He showed it all off then.
26:06
It went down to sort of a #2, and then one day I started
26:10
shaving and forgot to put the guard on.
26:12
I thought, Oh well, you've done it now.
26:14
And then I shaved with a wet razor and I do ever.
26:17
I just start shaving in the morning and don't stop, you
26:20
know. Alright, sorry, nothing to do
26:22
with robot, but anyway, I think it's absolute difference between
26:27
men who own baldness and it's sexy as hell and men who are
26:33
still lamenting the loss of their hair.
26:35
And you can absolutely see those two types of men out all the
26:38
time. You know you are in the former
26:41
camp, my friend. Oh, you're a darling man.
26:44
You're full of compliments. Yeah, I've never once looked
26:48
back and thought, oh, I wish I had hair.
26:50
It just never breed me at all. It's just a case of Just accept
26:54
it so. Oh, I thought that was Milton
26:55
Johns for a minute. Johns.
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He raises the profile of any story.
27:01
Yeah, even Android. He's in the Android.
27:04
Imagine. Yeah, he is, Yeah.
27:06
A man who didn't wash under his eye patch for a couple of years.
27:10
Yeah, it's a bizarre twist, isn't it?
27:13
Yeah. This is definitely all Sarah
27:15
here. She's doing everything.
27:17
There's a wonderful bit in a minute.
27:18
I don't know if you remember, she goes in and she finds the
27:21
robot and she says, well, you know, what?
27:23
If people use that robot as a, you know, terrifying weapon and
27:27
Miss Winters goes, what, you mean like this?
27:30
This woman is an enemy of the, you know, kill her.
27:33
It's a great moment. We've got a female villain in
27:36
this, and that's pretty unusual at this point.
27:39
Well, yes, it is. Actually I can't think of
27:43
another one recently before it. After this I can think of tons
27:47
around me the later sort. Of galaya marvelous bosoms,
27:53
It's. Not the Dark door effect I think
27:57
it might be, you know. What do you think of that robot
28:00
design? Now it's just appeared.
28:03
I don't actually think it's that bad.
28:05
They could have worked on the hands a little more.
28:07
They do look like. Oh, actually, I can't say it.
28:10
But then they're a little bit limp wristed.
28:12
They're not very. I don't know what you're talking
28:16
about. But what?
28:18
One good shake and they would have come off.
28:24
No, if Simon was also no, I was. Going to say if Simon was here,
28:30
he would now at this point, as he does on every commentary we
28:33
do be eulogizing about the title sequence what this particular
28:38
one? Oh, any but he does.
28:41
We all love the Bernard Lodge one.
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I mean, have you seen the making of how he made this thing?
28:47
No. Mark was telling me about this
28:49
the other day. I've never seen it, but
28:51
apparently it was a laborious task.
28:54
I don't think anything's as laborious as the one that they
28:57
did for. The Sid Sutton title sequence.
29:02
Oh my God, every frame was exposed about 3 million times.
29:07
To get that effect on it, the number of stars.
29:09
And they had to focus and refocus on every frame.
29:14
That's 30 seconds one of those stars comes right out of Peter
29:19
Davison's highlights. That's a deliberate, creative
29:22
choice. Well, I think someone's hand
29:24
shook when they were doing. This is there's a definite
29:28
ripple in the Davidson stars that isn't there with Colin
29:32
Baker. Having listened to your entire
29:35
back catalogue of the XML Experiment, I know that.
29:39
Oh, it's marvelous. I know that you guys are
29:41
generally quite favorable towards title sequences in
29:45
general. I think like The Stones, The
29:48
Tomorrow People, whatever. You fought the episodes, the
29:50
titles were memorable. The only one I ever heard you
29:54
truly criticize was the 90s. More people.
29:58
Terrible, cold sort of poppy music.
30:03
Well, I think the problem with The Tomorrow People of the 90s
30:06
was it was just nothing in itself.
30:09
It wasn't bad, but you're comparing it to that.
30:12
If you're going to buy the license to something and remake
30:15
it and it's got a really good theme tune, keep the fucking
30:18
theme tune. I know, Ken, but Blimey, I would
30:23
lick Chrisman Schmidt's ass. I mean, oh, I mean, you know,
30:29
I'd suffer the show just to watch him.
30:33
On that note, shall you? And I skip into episode 2.
30:37
We should probably sign off. Till next time, Yes, let's go
30:40
and watch Episode 2. Let's go.
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I'm still with a plump pen knife for doing quicker, quicker.