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Strictly Come Hamster Series 4B (featuring Daniel, Kieran, Frazer & Lee!) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Finish. It's a time machine.
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  If you could. Powering up.
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  How do you know it's gonna work? Oh yeah.
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  We we don't we're just We're just guess, brilliant.
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  Just remember when you get to the junction, change the cars
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  Direction by one minute, past 10.
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  How do I do that? Do you well I just have to run
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  up to myself. Eyes.
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  Right, if I change things, I don't die.
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  That's that's why is it? Sorry.
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  My wife's gonna come home from the theater and probably set me
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  dogs off and so you do me a favor then please, will you
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  retire at that point and put her on the call?
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  Bloody good sense. Going on from your end whom he
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  wait for the dog. Welcome back to Strictly Come
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  hamster. The Doctor Who queer podcast
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  that takes a group of Doctor Who episodes chunks them down with
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  some ginger beer, choose them with some walnuts chases that
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  down with some anchovy juice before giving them a big old
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  snog. Outings and eventually bench
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  belcher's out any old Stories, the oval winner in a cloud of
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  black smoke. Do you want to imagine if we try
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  to pick the next pool I made, it was almost the doctors daughter
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  in the first half. You're not wrong there.
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  It would have been classic strictly.
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  Wouldn't it if you did anything to do with it?
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  So tonight we are back to take on the second half of series 4
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  Fair well to the doctor. If you've been brave enough to
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  come back after the first off, you'll remember that we chewed
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  the fat over the season, opener things got fire in Pompeii and
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  then decidedly oohed on our first trip off world.
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  Before we came back down worth teacher the true meaning and
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  pronunciation of the word, and despite whatso said, there was
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  no real surprises, when it came to talk about the doctor's
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  daughter, All of that and we ended up on our right
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  Cliffhanger of proportions. Tonight we've got the same team
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  assembled to take on the second half.
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  So without further Ado, let me please reintroduce.
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  You to everyone first up into the baby of the group, the guy
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  who was only a toddler when he watched the first time around.
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  Yep. Discussed.
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  And I know and there's something on his back, but it's only his
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  flowing me in of lovely hair and pale.
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  Hello again. It's a fabulous.
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  Man of hell. It's it really is it really is.
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  Oh yes. Just imagine Alan Moore.
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  I think you could do shampoo commercials, you know, because
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  you're worth because he's worth it.
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  But we are. And next up, we have someone who
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  looks a proper treat as he lurches towards us and he's
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  white suit and he's impeccable bones structure within your eye
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  out. Its proper Daniel Warmsley so,
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  wave Network activated. Hello.
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  Thanks for having me back but there's five of us today.
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  I'll tell you what I'm thinking right now.
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  Does it involve the word boococky?
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  Potentially we teach series 4 pay.
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  Let's go, let's go. But ladies and gentlemen, where
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  would we be without the disembodied voice rattling
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  around the tin can of this podcast of ours.
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  The one that we just can't get to shut up.
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  Never stopping never faltering, never fainting people and
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  planets, and stars will become dust and the dust will become
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  atoms. And the atoms will become the
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  wavelynx will continue breaking through the rift at the heart of
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  the Medusa, Cascade into every year.
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  I can't, it's the one and only draw Ford.
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  Hello. This is a quiz show.
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  Now, you introduces as a quiz show at the start, it's a quick
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  show podcasts. I mean it Rod sort of called it
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  the championship podcast to start off with as we've
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  determined the best ever Dr. Whose story of all time, but
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  given the time was in there somewhere we may have gone a
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  ride somewhere Over Feet of the open statement game show.
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  Would that be better? Okay, sure.
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  So the game show podcast, I'm not recording the whole thing.
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  Again, we should say assemblance of the most handsome men in all
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  of Doctor Who podcasting. What about that?
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  I'll take that. Does that mean I need to go now?
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  Yes, say like, no, I'm delighted to be here.
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  Thank you for having me. Thank you, bloody podcast.
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  Yeah, no I'll just go beyond anymore, so that just leaves me
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  then the annoying buzzing, insect not so much the flying,
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  but the giant wasp in your Jam song, which is a Gregory. now,
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  don't you all wish you had a glass, big enough to Trappers
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  under Yeah. You forgot somebody.
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  Well, there is one more, oh my God, for that.
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  Oh, you genuinely forgot. There is one more someone has
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  been watching us from the outside so far, but it's now
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  cross in reality to be with us. Someone is returning.
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  You know, it's not the guy in the wheelchair with the
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  PowerPoint who likes to rant about how shit things being in
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  the last few years. High in.
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  It's the one who could have been David Tennant if he bothered
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  these asked a short the last time around but he's just gonna
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  have to set up for being Billy paper.
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  Now, fresh from getting these teeth sorted in Turkey, it's the
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  Polish boxes on Lima, me. Good things to be even Billie,
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  Piper get him in hand Farm, I've stuck a quid in the subway
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  Network and never mind reality bombs.
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  I'm here to drop some truth bombs tonight.
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  He's an old sunshine in kittens. Wonderful know you're looking.
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  Yeah. The next series of the police
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  box, so I don't don't you piss off too much because you're
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  gonna just one Facebook tonight. We'll be an impressive boy to
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  go, right? So last time, we got a really
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  good idea of where everyone stands on this series.
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  Apart from late obviously, because he was getting his teeth
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  done so late, why don't you tell us?
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  What do you think of series 4? and the second half in
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  particular, I've got a mission to me.
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  And it's not going to be a popular one.
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  Now, I do love series 4 as lots to enjoying it.
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  But I'm gonna give a few things a kick in tonight, and I may not
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  necessarily be popular choices, but overall there's a good
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  doctor. Comparing companion, payment
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  problem. My favorite of the first
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  velocity Davis hero. That's not to say there is no
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  flies in the ointment, and I'll be looking at them tonight on
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  the whole broadly. Positive, broadly positive, but
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  keeping your powder dry. I'll make it.
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  And, you know, strictly compounds is the place where
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  shit, opinions, come to die. So you in good company and Joker
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  and Daniel, you were all very positive around the first half
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  of the series. I am assuming that that's gonna
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  carry on into the second half. Who you are asking, everyone.
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  What all together? It would go.
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  Three, two, one. Yeah, three, two one.
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  Yeah, there we go. There we go.
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  Let's see if there's 20 minutes. So you say it.
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  What? Speed, if you've written
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  speeches? Well, I'll be quick.
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  All right, I've just put my favorite round of Doctor.
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  Who stories of all time. This is precisely what I want
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  from the show. Fantastic writing acting
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  Direction music. It's exciting for provoking
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  funny and vicious risky, shocking and smart.
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  But most of all, this is something that we forget and
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  upcoming Seasons hugely entertaining as well.
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  It's glorious. This is Peter.
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  Yes, it's not. Karen, can you be any quicker
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  than you? It's really good in it.
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  Wonderful. I like it.
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  Like podcast to what one word you the more?
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  No. The Immortal word of River Song.
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  Spoilers. Oh, hang on.
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  Will you show me your hands again, please?
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  Other side. I knew it was a.
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  Yes, I know it was a I'm glad Joe brought that up, just before
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  we get started, I realized last episode we left off on a bit of
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  a cliffhanger. So just allow me to resolve the
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  matter of the false prophecy that I didn't end up explaining
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  last time in. In pure Journey's, End
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  anti-crime active fashion. No, it wasn't that.
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  It wasn't actually a tattoo, it was whiteboard marker, so they
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  go Cliffhanger resolved, A great moment of the popcorn.
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  So the reveal speaking of cliffhanger, that's a nice segue
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  into Lee. Hello.
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  At the end of the last episode, it came down to stories, came
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  don't partners in crime and came down to the fires of Pompeii,
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  the fall of us, we could not split the difference.
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  We were tired and the decision was made.
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  That you would have the casting vote is not.
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  Can you put, I will listeners out there misery and let them
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  know. Which he hasn't listened to the
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  episode. It's gone out with the answer.
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  When I was at the end. It's at the end.
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  It's like a he gave me a three-minute.
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  Did I not put the right one out? That's on there.
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  No turned off before the end, you got bored before.
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  You don't remember, what the artwork.
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  What did we know? I only you don't know.
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  Only, you don't know, Frank say everyone else does.
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  I'm just trying to be a bit of hosts for the listeners build
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  suspense. God, you might give you this on
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  their ex Factor. He's not there, but it doesn't
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  know, I'm tempted, not to say leave him hanging, right choice.
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  So late, you did made the right choice.
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  Well up at 3:30 and the end, but it was a very, very narrow
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  margin between the two. What was your rationale behind
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  that? Oh, trying to think back to
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  what? According to four weeks ago.
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  That's not listen to that instance.
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  I I remember Joy, you're gonna have to help me.
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  You said, well no you said that obviously partisan, climb crime
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  was a brilliant, opener light and funny and engaging.
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  But then you say fast on pay is also funny and engaging but it
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  has that big sort of dramatic at the end which just kicks it to
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  being a bit better. That sounds exactly the sort of
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  thing. I would say.
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  Yes, words of wisdom words, and we'll go, there we go.
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  So yes, phase of Pompeo was the overall winner of series 4A.
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  Thanks to Lee's decide and vote there.
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  So, before we jump, that carry on and get stuck in to the five
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  episodes, we're going to discuss tonight.
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  Gentlemen, would you like to let us know what our glorious?
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  Ham Farm contributors have to say about this half of the
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  series. I will warn the listeners at
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  home. Please brace yourself sit down,
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  this may not go the way you think.
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  It's gonna go. Should I go first?
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  Go ahead. Okay.
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  Tom Newsom says it might just be the best run of episodes ever.
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  Good luck. Trying to whittle this one down
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  guys. I'm gonna sort of check off as
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  we go, how many people are right?
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  One. The only go next door, I would
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  do but with 100 to prepare that and have the list to hand sew.
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  All right? Strongest second half of the new
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  season, still no death episodes at all.
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  So all right pulse, my City's 4B is for me, the best one of
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  stories in all of you who every episode is, at least that I know
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  of 10, 10 and donor incredible. This is Peak, Dr. Oh, Sirens,
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  three, All right. Ready for some alphabet?
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  B. It's all big.
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  All right, enough to put up with this, did not what a bunch of
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  others. The Sweet Spot of the seasons,
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  says, Big Orange. Michael with a solid run of
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  episodes. Starts the ascent of modern who
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  into the public Consciousness with a string of sort, a string
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  of stories. Sorry, that you can't help.
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  But love with an exceptional too.
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  I'm gonna take a bit of exception there, the ascent of
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  modern who into public Consciousness.
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  I think that started with serious one and it just got
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  higher and higher. A grumpy who, it's just the
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  peak. Oh, I've only Burns says what an
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  incredible run of it. The swords Banger after Banger
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  leading to a blockbuster finale. Remember minority, D gave his
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  doctor who have disability on a regular basis.
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  Why it sounds really wouldn't be getting it on a regular basis.
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  After this again, Matt lean Newby says The second half of
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  series 4 is clearly where it gets its reputation.
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  Jolla Ellen, pretty solid back after the series with some Stone
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  Cold Classics, pretty solid. Like gold.
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  Hmm. Like a rock.
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  The man, the Master Legend Dylan trenchard says, it's the
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  absolute value of, Tom left to absolutely mind blowing next
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  time, trailer, which seems like brought together four years and
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  two spin off shoes. It's still gives me goosebumps
• 16:26
  thinking about it. We just sort of covered it.
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  There was no, we messed up. Yeah, that's it.
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  Thanks. Yeah, bro.
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  Ah, my favorite name tonight, the campus Patrol.
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  One of, if not the definite, strongest runs ever.
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  Not only are the stories, great, but tenant, and Tate are out
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  there, Peak you, I've lost count, but they're all right.
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  And side hard. Even with that one.
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  No, no, no. Never mind.
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  Maybe he'll be somebody in fandom one day.
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  Very consistent run. Very enjoyable.
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  Run. Probably the peak of public
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  love. What sound effect would you like
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  me to put in every time someone says Peak?
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  Um goodness, what are some good ones.
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  Well, like this or see in this pit?
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  So I just put in, hey, who turned out the lights every time
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  you should put in Dove, Ross, how did you describe world
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  something good? Looks at Ms. Jenkins says, it's
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  good stuff. And yeah, the Tegan Fanboy and
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  me loves. Donna could have done with less
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  rows though like zero. Otherwise no thinkers in the
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  bunch. All right.
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  Luke this is for you. Luke seems Jenkins.
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  You're the most important man in the whole of creation.
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  Know, he's not agency him. Comparing, Donna Teagan Teagan,
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  is it because they're both loud and obnoxious?
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  Yeah. Okay, galleries says, the best
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  modern series alongside series 1.
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  Somebody must hide this wrong. Surely it's not nearby the best
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  run of seven stories in the history of the entire show.
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  The brilliant and correct Nathan?
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  What a man? Now what I know them because
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  we're only talking about five stories tonight, I can only
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  assume anything is including both the doctors daughter,
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  untangles. Give him a message.
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  He sent me after listen, to your opinion on the doctors told her
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  I'm assuming notes. No.
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  I've had been canceled. Touching go.
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  Next up someone is definitely not been canceled.
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  Paul Arthur who says a consistently good run of stories
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  with an excellent hardest team. As the last four episodes in
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  particular. It helped cement series for as a
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  high point of the modern era for me, John Arnold Tenant and Tate
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  of carried. Some rope old tat in the first
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  half of the Season incorrect. John, this second half shows,
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  what an all-time great artist team can do with great material
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  and you're not Daniel night. That's a hole.
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  This is possibly the highest paid unfortunately, for once the
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  public were right turn and take a wonderful together, and
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  there's no dead script or performance.
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  It really was though everyone loved the show.
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  That's all of Doctor Who found him ever been in such Unity.
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  As they give it time. That's got to be someone over
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  there. Just gonna see something
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  negative Kieran, Evans, much stronger, half of the series
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  with some crackers. so it's not even then, so lots of cheese as
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  well and I suppose, Maybe Dave for any will help us out.
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  Can, I can start eating the best run we've had in the new series.
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  Oh no, he won't. Thanks Ed mysterious head.
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  Just the original. It will say a cracking series
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  overall, though, one of the best in the whole Revival.
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  Now, I'm just gonna make a shout out for it because that's Eddie
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  Arnold. John Arnold son who have
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  recently did a commentary on midnight with right?
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  We've John Father and Son commentary and John, obviously a
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  man of scientists and reason absolutely adored midnight
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  Eddie, who is a lot. Yeah guys.
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  Know 19 and was very young when he watched it hated it.
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  So yeah. Right next, what we see last
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  time, what did we see? Last time, it was the old people
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  who were the miserable fuckers and it was the kids who enjoyed
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  the show, wasn't it? Unless unless you unless you
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  like it and you were young. Yeah.
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  He's argument was just a load of people in a room shouting at
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  each other and that's not particularly Dynamic television,
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  which, for a young person, I can understand.
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  I mean, it's true, but it's also, Isn't that much stronger?
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  Well you're not a young man that's the thing.
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  You're an old man like me. That's what we loved.
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  I, You would know. Thank you.
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  Anyway anyway, so that is the comments done so we will move
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  swiftly onwards to round one of the show.
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  As we know round one, the rules are very simple.
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  So each of the five of us will pick one of the five stories in
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  the back half of the series and give our reasons for one in The
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  Ether invited to drinks on the lawn or Chuck it into a cloud of
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  space piranhas like some sort of chicken leg of stranger opinions
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  and shit takes Thought, if you were paying attention in the
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  first half of the podcast, you will know that there is no such
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  thing as a podcast format. I am not prepared to fuck around
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  with. So tonight the twist is because
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  there were five of us every vote counts.
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  Okay. Oh, there'll be none of this
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  hide in behind. Well, I am going to talk about
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  this one so I get a vote about this and I'm Gonna Leave This
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  one lasts and he wants to talk about and know everyone's vote
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  count in this cuz there's not going to be a tie.
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  Well it has to be yeah, the last time there was five people every
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  okay because otherwise we were in this impossible situation of
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  having to convince him to change their minds, Yes and no ties.
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  No Holds Barred strictly, okay? and, Because we missed it last
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  time because you know, I just pre-planned he was going to face
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  who essentially in round two. We are going to bring the
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  randomizer back so we will be deciding who goes when by
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  spinning the wheel of Justice. Oh you got a wireless time.
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  You don't have a paper like no, I don't know, market right here.
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  So let's crack on. Then as we said, let's take,
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  we'll put every story through but tonight.
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  Can we tell our unicorns from our wasps?
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  Will we actually get any Silence from Joe will be left?
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  We turn right? It, most importantly of all.
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  Will we managed to get to our Journey's End before midnight?
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  Let's find out as we crack on and see who gets to go first on
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  this season of four be strictly Smackdown.
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  You should be hosted up Podcast. Shit, are you a fabulous at
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  this? So, let's, Give it a spin.
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  Sing along. If you know the words spin,
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  spin, spin. Spin the wheels.
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  Just see her. First the bus.
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  Hey, and it's almost as if you've been rewarded Lee.
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  The singing along you are the winner which feels appropriate
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  right? It wasn't sure age.
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  But one something, so David. Yes.
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  So choose your weapon. Pick your story.
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  Tell us. Are we going to keep it or
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  Bennett? I've got a dread like linger in
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  now. All right, bring it on.
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  Well, on the way, the last time I was on Strictly I came racing
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  out the traps in and went into 30 and one of fandoms beloved
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  classic The Deadly Assassin. But as they all seeing goes, you
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  never to repeat the same trick twice.
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  So with that in mind, of course, I'm going to do it again.
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  I hauling it a story together a good kicking actually just
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  before I start, I think it's a problem, but your phone's
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  getting myself. Away my mistakes.
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  Sorry, it's just the sound of a North and Germany's end and then
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  he is He's seen all of time and it's driven him mad this a must
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  here. Well, let's see.
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  Points number one, which is entitled super doctor campaign,
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  you know, Stars. The gang is all here.
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  Still on Earth is jammed back with so many elements and away.
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  This borderline staggering, we've got the return of Rose,
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  Mickey. Jackie morphine Captain.
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  Jack torch with that introduced to the Doctor Who Universe, we
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  have the return of Harriet Jones, a huge invading Dalek
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  Fleet, and the surprise return of Davos done without a smidge
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  of signposting, just, suddenly and unexpectedly inserted into
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  the story with no fanfare. It's an art.
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  Confection of a story. Every piece fits take a look at
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  rocks along that tracking pace and I was more moments of true.
• 25:47
  Darkness the family being burnt alive in their own home by the
• 25:51
  Daleks as perhaps one. If not the most brutal death in
• 25:54
  doctor who says that story delivered him out of factly.
• 25:58
  Everyone is involved. The stakes are constantly high
• 26:01
  and Elevate by the minute. As we rushed towards, one of
• 26:04
  them was surprising Cliffhangers at the history of the show with
• 26:07
  the brakes from layoffs. Stitches shame that no one
• 26:10
  thought to put the brakes back on to stop the whole thing.
• 26:13
  Plummeting off a cliff and the sea with Johnny's end. which
• 26:17
  leads me nicely to point number two, entitled Johnny is it if
• 26:21
  only aware Oh, because boy, oh boy, there's a whole story, not
• 26:27
  running of legs cracking and Douglas badder on a night on the
• 26:30
  piss. After the breathlessness of the
• 26:35
  stolen Earth, Second Story starts that stops to do its
• 26:39
  breath. Then the whole thing collapses
• 26:41
  in and itself not only do we get a massive cop-out resolution to
• 26:45
  the Cliffhanger solid because the 10th doctor's vanity comes
• 26:48
  roaring to the surface once more and order to protect his pretty
• 26:51
  boy. Looks robbing us at a surprise
• 26:54
  regeneration and a moment of it being talked about for years.
• 26:58
  Imagine if the production team had the balls to bring in Matt
• 27:00
  Smith here, hand the whole thing over and call our Roman fits.
• 27:04
  And this point on the ultimate Rock people yeah, why it could
• 27:09
  possibly be any worse is if I had that he But that doesn't
• 27:16
  come apart and therefore Journeys in sink since our mayor
• 27:19
  of slopping on since we have the bill shit, science of 27 planets
• 27:24
  being lined up to essentially be turned in a giant.
• 27:27
  Laser something, even doctor evil from Austin Powers with the
• 27:30
  Smiths is a bit too much. We have Dalek seemingly able to
• 27:34
  transmit companions out of nowhere as and when the plot
• 27:37
  demands we have Russell Davis, pulling plot device is out of
• 27:41
  his ass at random. What Stars on next piece?
• 27:44
  The Fret the donor being dismissed with literally some
• 27:47
  hand, wavy bullets. Everything on the dialect ship
• 27:50
  able to be controlled by a series of four switches.
• 27:52
  The size of which you'd expect to find on a Fisher-Price my
• 27:56
  first nerve center set. The age-old, modern series trick
• 28:00
  of thinking, your bulshit resolutions can fly under the
• 28:03
  radar. If only you get your characters
• 28:04
  to shout the lines at top speed, I'll let us know even begin to
• 28:09
  ask about why the shadow Proclamation.
• 28:10
  The universe is all powerful. Premier please Force appear to
• 28:14
  be basing themselves in the fiery of your local Leisure
• 28:17
  Center. It's true.
• 28:20
  It's true. Oh yeah, and planetary, Turlock.
• 28:26
  The only they only saving grace in this whole soggy mess of an
• 28:30
  episode, is davros pulling the doctor up or he's a poke recipe
• 28:33
  and let's face, it is not wrong, I agree with David Ross.
• 28:37
  The 10th doctor is an arsenal Let's look at his list of crimes
• 28:41
  quite apart from fashioning, his friends and You Soldiers and
• 28:45
  weapons. We have number one, its first
• 28:48
  deal the job. It doesn't get up until the
• 28:50
  evening and then there doesn't bother getting changed his
• 28:53
  pajamas lazy lazy, Khan lazy. Number two.
• 28:58
  It loses his friend. A little Dimension, then makes a
• 29:01
  half. First Skype call to her on a
• 29:03
  poor connection before leaving restaurant then real.
• 29:06
  We've all done that though later.
• 29:07
  Alright number three, if it fails to take the opportunity to
• 29:11
  take down the monarchy and Christmas Day and as a result
• 29:14
  because it's a death of Kylie Minogue.
• 29:18
  Number four, he allows the events of dialects in Manhattan
• 29:22
  to occur and much worse to be found in broadcast.
• 29:26
  Well, thank you. Oh, that story.
• 29:31
  Number five encourages in enables, fifth of precious
• 29:34
  artifacts and willingly causes damage to London transport
• 29:37
  property. Number six, he makes Bernard
• 29:40
  tripping, try twice. And in this face story, he
• 29:49
  doesn't like the idea of a secretary being his cleverness
• 29:52
  him. So he wipes it reminds and Trump
• 29:54
  support home. And as a pisty resistance, the
• 29:57
  cherry on this most underbaked cakes.
• 30:00
  He drops a so called love of his life.
• 30:02
  Back on a beach, on the Welsh course, set it up with his
• 30:05
  genocidal, Maniac hospital and then legs it.
• 30:08
  The 10th doctor, what an arsenal.
• 30:12
  Get I never came to a similar conclusion in the first half,
• 30:17
  you know, we don't you know you're not wrong.
• 30:18
  I think we went with prick or not.
• 30:20
  So one thing I will say is that he knows he's a prick though you
• 30:25
  know unlike some other doctors, he knows he's at all.
• 30:29
  So, I don't answer that that was not great.
• 30:37
  It's squarely in the reality bin.
• 30:41
  Yes, true. Shall we see what everyone else
• 30:45
  has got to say about this one. Before we got the rest of our
• 30:47
  panel, would you like me to start?
• 30:49
  I will let you go start. I'm not quite familiar with the
• 30:52
  first guy is. So if you can start off here
• 30:54
  inscrutable thigh heart, says the stolen Earth seemed like the
• 30:59
  most exciting episode ever. What should a finale with 20
• 31:03
  fans? Crammed into my living room
• 31:05
  remains a very happy memory, probably peek.
• 31:10
  There we go. Public love for the modern show.
• 31:15
  Tim Carter. What's this is clearly found one
• 31:17
  in his purest 4, it's bloody exciting.
• 31:20
  So many favorite movies, Sarah Jackson, Sarah and Donna, having
• 31:26
  her memory wiped. Great to see everyone, we turn.
• 31:29
  Keep, oh, boy. Oh Queen.
• 31:32
  Oh no. It's quite muted for once stole
• 31:34
  enough Journey's. End up in a proper regeneration
• 31:37
  Story. How big is surprised were
• 31:39
  generation at the start of Journeys end as Lisa would have
• 31:42
  been the ultimate regeneration or tenants should have
• 31:44
  regenerated at the end. I would have elevated.
• 31:47
  It would have elevated. The fun run around story.
• 31:49
  It's rtd's best ending since season 1.
• 31:54
  All right, early Pittsburgh if you need one, because Here Comes
• 31:56
  adjacent Thompson. Oh, overblown bloated nonsense.
• 32:00
  Fluff finale with terrible plotting in a deus ex machina
• 32:03
  ending how Jason Who, Donna lands, right by handy Bank of
• 32:09
  tools can be hot white to do, everything needed to finish off
• 32:11
  the dialogues in their reality bomb.
• 32:12
  Said the planets back. But what the hell?
• 32:15
  I bloody love this one. It's a comfort story, right?
• 32:19
  From all those names popping up in the opening titles, and how
• 32:22
  great is Julian. Bleach, just davros, this is Dr.
• 32:26
  Who's 40th anniversary celebration and it really is a
• 32:29
  finale to the entirety era. James hadwin Bennett says, best
• 32:34
  described as a Title Wave of the story, that keeps you vaguely
• 32:37
  can cast at the end. So you're not quite sure what
• 32:40
  you've been through, like sound and lights, know, lots and sound
• 32:45
  and lights Davos is now utterly insane.
• 32:48
  But yeah, another Go Global event.
• 32:49
  The planet needs to forget, never happened.
• 32:51
  Keep it though. As basically, it's new who's
• 32:54
  version of the five, doctors a romp because it can even be
• 32:58
  Pratt. Finale.
• 33:01
  Some great set pieces and performance is can't see if
• 33:03
  there's been an overblown piece of wanky self-indulgence.
• 33:06
  Maybe this leaves it earned it by this point being so popular.
• 33:10
  The doctor goodly running for Rose was so nauseated, and I was
• 33:13
  sharing on for that dollar to finish him off the whole point,
• 33:17
  David, the other side of the coin.
• 33:21
  Nathan Bosley says the massive darling epic.
• 33:24
  We've always wanted the garlic invasion of Earth with more fun
• 33:27
  and Flair and Terror and Imagination.
• 33:31
  Everyone, we love is here for the celebration and that has
• 33:33
  been completely earned the moral of the story, the doctor wins.
• 33:36
  Because he and his friends are simply more fun than their
• 33:39
  opponents. And the ending, put a hole in
• 33:42
  our hearts for 15 years. Just amazing.
• 33:44
  All Arthur. Pure adrenaline, it's like a
• 33:48
  massive comic book Crossover with RTD management.
• 33:51
  Squeezing, every character ever The whole thing's propelled
• 33:55
  along a brick next score from gold.
• 33:58
  I'm not Cliffhanger had to be jumping out of my seat.
• 34:00
  Crack in store Gromit. John oh says the Doctor Who a
• 34:05
  version of Avengers endgame. Everything turned up to 11 and
• 34:08
  that Cliffhanger might be the ultimate rcd moment.
• 34:11
  The happy ending is my clunky but the emotion of it carries
• 34:14
  the day. Daniel Knight full of wonderful
• 34:18
  moments that keep does entertained but there's a hole
• 34:20
  makes little sense. The Donna scenes more than make
• 34:24
  up for that. And The Bleak ending at the time
• 34:26
  was heartbreakingly depressing. Not the last time cribbins.
• 34:30
  Perfect performance. Will make me cry.
• 34:32
  Progressor says, it's total fan wank, but when fan wankers this
• 34:36
  Farm, who cares? Donna's fate is heartbreaking,
• 34:39
  though. Even though it has been
• 34:40
  deconstructed, did I mention it was fun.
• 34:42
  It's just a shame Doctor Who has never been this fun since.
• 34:49
  He's right. Oh clean Evans says it's big and
• 34:56
  bombastic and it just doesn't quite work for me.
• 35:00
  That's a common problem. I have with Artie de finales,
• 35:02
  oldest everybody. Oh sorry.
• 35:05
  Only one, just everybody. Remember James Locke in the
• 35:07
  first half. Do you remember Daniel cyran?
• 35:09
  Yeah. How do you not get progressively
• 35:13
  older as this? Yes, unfortunately, told her he
• 35:18
  was 120 now. Well, let's say I was gonna be
• 35:21
  today. I remember just how thrilling
• 35:23
  the stolen on Earth was that set up one Nostalgia.
• 35:26
  Hit following on from another. It would be pure fanservice,
• 35:29
  except it's so beautifully. Constructed, and after turn
• 35:32
  left, it feels like we're heading for the finale to end
• 35:35
  all finales. but, I also remember being in a room full of
• 35:40
  excited. People to watch the conclusion
• 35:42
  and the absolute House of disappointment and derision the
• 35:46
  greeted, the resolution to the Cliffhanger and pretty much
• 35:49
  everything that followed it. I'm sorry for you James.
• 35:52
  You need to hang out with better people.
• 35:55
  Younger people. There's pretty much people who
• 35:58
  are young at heart. Yeah.
• 35:59
  Not too young though. Something.
• 36:09
  One in the jar. Move on quickly quickly and I
• 36:15
  love everything. In this story, you say that the
• 36:16
  ending, it's always bothered me how the main cast was so
• 36:20
  hopeless. By the end and then, bam, Donna
• 36:23
  flicks, a few switches and everything's fine.
• 36:25
  What's it does? Bring tearful goodbye to Donna.
• 36:29
  For 15 years. Anyway, it just never sat right
• 36:31
  with me. Give me a big.
• 36:35
  Big Orange, give me a Michael. Get ready to ban me from Phantom
• 36:45
  while I respect. This is the culmination of the
• 36:48
  series and RTD one. I don't love it.
• 36:51
  Feels like Davies trend of not quite sticking the landing his
• 36:55
  ugly head here excessive in all the wrong ways.
• 36:59
  Big Orange Park. We see you online with Exile in
• 37:01
  you. As I say, big orange.
• 37:03
  Michael is insane. We should make him fly into the
• 37:10
  time border. Oh no let's see how Jewels
• 37:18
  Nemesis fans with this one. Michael storms starts off well
• 37:23
  but RTD sets himself, the mammoth task of picking up
• 37:26
  nearly all his regular characters into an epic story
• 37:28
  that unfortunately he doesn't have ten sticks his skill in
• 37:32
  order to pull it off. I always get the feeling of
• 37:35
  watching it that I have been invited.
• 37:36
  Someone else's office party. Everyone is having fun, but you
• 37:40
  feel like you're missing something.
• 37:42
  On the plus side, we have the best ever since Wisher, and some
• 37:45
  impressive set pieces and Donna's tragic.
• 37:48
  Not so hot on Rose, a sex doll drone.
• 37:50
  So sorry, everybody. The comments are about long as
• 37:54
  the bloody story Universal Event.
• 37:56
  Oh, and the Cliffhanger at the end of stolen on Earth, was one
• 38:00
  of the best ones ever produced. Oh, I'll put that on cut off.
• 38:05
  The start that sentence because that looks like it's a
• 38:07
  continuation of something. We knew he was leaving.
• 38:09
  Had we been? Who went wrong footed?
• 38:12
  Was he going early? It was proper water.
• 38:15
  Cooler moment, it's true well and gloriously nonsensical.
• 38:20
  You version of the five, doctors.
• 38:23
  The handy doctor and the doctor Donna Works.
• 38:25
  Despite the Ridiculousness with Donna's memories.
• 38:28
  Got its much-needed. Fix years later, the penultimate
• 38:32
  comment comes from Pope smoy Dr. Whose version of The Avengers
• 38:35
  endgame. It's a little too long, but this
• 38:37
  two-parter is great. The Cliffhanger with the doctor
• 38:40
  being exterminated is thrilling. Julian bleach is supervised
• 38:44
  staff Ross such as sad and poignant end for Donna, which
• 38:47
  leaves, Matt Lee new to wrap things up and see the stool and
• 38:50
  Earth Journey's. End is the finale to end all for
• 38:53
  gnarlys. A proper celebration of the era
• 38:56
  and how incredibly popular the show had become in such a short
• 38:59
  time. The visuals are stunning and the
• 39:02
  constant return of past Companions and recovering
• 39:04
  character's utterly Joyce. It's a rule, of course of a
• 39:08
  story and one of us as best appearances.
• 39:11
  I'm still not sure about rules being left with the doctors
• 39:13
  minimi. So what we'll call it now?
• 39:16
  but Donna's feet so many me mixed yeah, but More positive
• 39:22
  than the negative. So we're going to get a key
• 39:25
  Evernote because Kevin had a reactions and So like run to
• 39:31
  there, are you working with the comments talking about?
• 39:35
  This is more, an Infiniti Avengers, Infinity War, Avengers
• 39:38
  endgame, you know, Infinity war and a stolen Earth.
• 39:40
  It's got a great insight into the Earth's gone, guys.
• 39:44
  You know, it's true scale, the Earth is gone.
• 39:47
  We've got the whole big wide scope of Torchwood, Sarah Jane,
• 39:51
  and all that. So, we're really getting a, it's
• 39:53
  probably the biggest scale wise, without Doctor Who, you know,
• 39:56
  this is global stuff, Martha over a New York.
• 39:59
  And then when there's that dark, communication comes in, and this
• 40:02
  Slade, and she's tears pouring out of her eyes and it's, you
• 40:05
  can't help be a bit shocked. Oh my goodness.
• 40:07
  Yeah, they're all gonna die now and this is properly evil garlic
• 40:12
  shit. No one can put no one.
• 40:13
  I don't think convincingly. Pull off a plan of we're going
• 40:16
  to move the fucking 27 Pilots all over the universe and have
• 40:20
  them aligned up. So we can create a reality bomb
• 40:23
  to erase everything. It's so ludicrously like evil
• 40:26
  that. Yeah, sure.
• 40:27
  The Daleks would do something like that, why not?
• 40:29
  You know, that's a lot of fan wankers.
• 40:30
  Well, the Daleks of the Masters of Earth and oh someone tried to
• 40:35
  move the earth once before. And then that Cliffhanger
• 40:39
  happens. Oh wow, TV continued.
• 40:43
  And it's like Usain Bolt running, a 100 meter sprint.
• 40:48
  And then having like an epileptic fit just before the
• 40:51
  finish line. I just had to skip through
• 40:56
  Journey's End because I knew how this was going to end.
• 40:59
  And I knew that all this buildup Was for nothing.
• 41:02
  Just like one of the comments said earlier, four buttons and
• 41:06
  your dialect is spinning around and everything blows up and it's
• 41:08
  all over. I mean, all fair enough.
• 41:11
  I don't think any of us on this call here could write any better
• 41:15
  and ending but your four seasons in and Yeah, it's just it falls
• 41:22
  on its face. and I just don't see like, oh, this needs a sour
• 41:28
  taste my mouth and I just wanted more.
• 41:30
  You know. What if they killed the doctor
• 41:32
  and they'd have the second half as regeneration story up with a
• 41:35
  loved it? but, It's it's it's a lot of
• 41:40
  like bait on the hook. And then you get pulled out the
• 41:44
  water and you start suffocating on the side of a river or
• 41:48
  something. I been in it.
• 41:50
  Oh my God. Okay, thank you.
• 41:55
  Okay. Right.
• 41:58
  Joe Yes, this one, I think the stolen Earth is one of the best
• 42:04
  Doctor Who episodes of all time. Certainly one of the most
• 42:08
  exciting episodes of all time and it's one of the times where
• 42:11
  the whole public was all on board and everybody agreed, that
• 42:15
  doctor, who was the best thing ever.
• 42:17
  It's never happened since it rarely happened before.
• 42:21
  A lot of times to be alive? Yeah.
• 42:24
  All of those, all those shows coming together culminating in
• 42:28
  that incredible. Incredible Cliffhanger.
• 42:31
  I watched it time. And again, that week, I just
• 42:35
  wanted to really live the high of it.
• 42:36
  I watched it today and I was punching the air when the subway
• 42:41
  Network bit happened, and they were all on the screen and then
• 42:44
  it has, and then he's not content with that he doesn't
• 42:46
  again, when they all come on the screen for the doctor, and it's
• 42:49
  just the most exciting thing. It takes me back to.
• 42:52
  When was this 2008? It was such an amazing time.
• 42:56
  However, I want to be in this because I think the whole of the
• 43:03
  solar effort, Journeys end is wonderful, but I'm a very
• 43:06
  particular type of Doctor Who fan.
• 43:08
  I am a hugely melodramatic over the top, in your face, all sort
• 43:12
  of wall Doctor, Who fan and time of the Ron is one of my
• 43:15
  favorites. So, of course, I'm gonna love
• 43:17
  all the melodrama of this story. But I can see why this isn't for
• 43:22
  everybody and I can certainly see why this isn't for a lot or
• 43:26
  something. The boring corner of dogs, who
• 43:28
  fandom that like series. I serious annoying.
• 43:32
  And whilst there is six. Let's be honest.
• 43:36
  It is the culmination of the entire Rusty, Davis era.
• 43:39
  It's so beautifully done. The way it all comes together.
• 43:43
  It's such a huge celebration. Why aren't we ending here?
• 43:46
  I don't understand. It makes everything that comes
• 43:48
  off of this feel like I'm gonna lose a lot of miles for
• 43:51
  anything. It's one of the best doctors
• 43:53
  ever, but It does feel like a hangover off after this.
• 43:56
  And when three of the stories coming off, this are Planet of
• 43:59
  the Dead, the next doctor and the end of time.
• 44:02
  Part 1, I question whether we shouldn't have ended here
• 44:06
  frankly and just on the walls for this, Funny because I love
• 44:11
  those stories. That's why you're winning at
• 44:16
  life. Daniel.
• 44:16
  The Regeneration is possibly the best Cliffhanger in the show's
• 44:22
  history. It's the most dynamic
• 44:24
  Cliffhanger we've ever had, and everyone was talking about it.
• 44:28
  So why didn't we lose David Tennant here?
• 44:29
  It's just so bizarre. And and how did Rusty Davis who
• 44:33
  is a clever man who understands television?
• 44:36
  Yeah, he has been absorbing television his whole life.
• 44:40
  He understands that the power of these moments and then has to
• 44:45
  follow up the energy from the into the hand and growing
• 44:49
  another person. Like how is anybody gonna be
• 44:51
  fucking satisfied with that even and so, I don't want to go.
• 44:56
  Yeah. Okay.
• 44:58
  Don't fucking teeth people. It's it's Legend of Ruby Sunday
• 45:03
  Empire at death again, you know, with all this stuff and then
• 45:07
  deliver a load of bullshit, was it so baffling?
• 45:10
  It's so baffling because this would be remembered as the
• 45:13
  ultimate regeneration story. If he got out this point, um,
• 45:18
  And I will reiterate stolen at this perfect.
• 45:20
  It is a perfect piece of Television.
• 45:22
  I think, I actually in his execution, Graham Harper's
• 45:26
  direction of that is gold. Then why do we have to endure
• 45:30
  like lengthy and melodramatic scenes in Journey's End that
• 45:34
  stress? They stress, like the most of
• 45:36
  everything, the most punch in the air moment.
• 45:39
  Ever fly in the Tardis home, but bloody music the most upsetting
• 45:45
  of ending to a doctor who story ever Donna, losing her memory,
• 45:48
  who wanted that, no one wanted that.
• 45:50
  It's like Jamie is slowly losing their memories it's just
• 45:53
  hideous. The most introspective how many
• 45:55
  people have you killed doctor? The most star treky the whole
• 45:59
  bloody Weird Science of growing. Another person out of your hands
• 46:02
  the most, not worthy, soap operatic moment we've ever had
• 46:07
  in Doctor Who Rose going off of The Meta, Christ's doctor, the
• 46:11
  most teary moment we've ever had cribbins in floods at the end of
• 46:14
  it, it's just all 11. Fucking love it.
• 46:18
  It's just wonderful to watch but it is a bit much.
• 46:23
  So yeah, so I think there's it's all great but I think is a bit
• 46:28
  much for a lot of people and I think their second half is a
• 46:32
  massive let down after just, how Bloody brilliant.
• 46:35
  The stolen on Earth is it's just like the Pandora opens under the
• 46:40
  big bang for me. Pandora, opens, were superb.
• 46:43
  The Big Bang was a massive dance group for me, so, yeah, they can
• 46:46
  do these wonderful sort of penultimate.
• 46:48
  So then they come in at the end with a wet Farm Bennett but in
• 46:55
  bin, for Joe and What do I think of this?
• 46:59
  This is one of the ones that I was on the fence with coin.
• 47:02
  The only one being nice because It's an RTD finale and me an RTD
• 47:09
  finale is don't get on because of the reasons that everyone
• 47:13
  else has said you know he can't plot.
• 47:16
  The shit Kieran. You said none of us sitting
• 47:18
  around here. I could write a better ending
• 47:20
  for this and guarantee you could I can guarantee you, my kids
• 47:22
  could wait a better and then this then you know the doctor
• 47:26
  grows a new doctor from his clever and presses for buttons
• 47:30
  and Saves the universe. You know, no, you're right.
• 47:34
  I better now have generated in math Smith and I'm having to do
• 47:37
  it and show, oh, he's the doctor could do that.
• 47:39
  Yeah. Can you actually grow another
• 47:43
  person using regeneration energy and a hand we can.
• 47:46
  Now please, do you have a hand line around anywhere?
• 47:50
  Funnily enough. No.
• 47:51
  Oh shame. Okay, sorry.
• 47:54
  What did how did the tool be here to describe but when you
• 47:58
  did doomsday commentary was it flesh dildo.
• 48:05
  Oh anyhow, I digress. So I was you know fully ready to
• 48:11
  come in here and give this one a good kicking because of lots of
• 48:14
  the reasons that would be said you know it is found one key,
• 48:16
  isn't it is it's you know, Avengers endgame which, you
• 48:20
  know, it's a fantastic Marvel film, but not so much, a
• 48:23
  fantastic film. I feel because it kind of does
• 48:26
  pay off kind of like the Avengers.
• 48:28
  Yeah, he is off the effort you've put in all those years
• 48:34
  watching all those films go and, you know, watching all the Iron
• 48:37
  Man's all the Captain, America's all the you know other Avengers
• 48:42
  you know the likes of you know Black Panthers and Spider-Man
• 48:47
  you watching these dozens and dozens of films or get paid off
• 48:50
  in Avengers endgame and You know.
• 48:53
  Yeah peace well but only if you have went back and watched all
• 48:57
  those films if you haven't if you're missing a couple which I
• 49:00
  was at the time you can cross over a couple but you need to be
• 49:03
  Avengers fan to get the best out of that.
• 49:06
  So that's why it feels a bit funky coming in.
• 49:10
  They're not, we need a new counter for fann Wong.
• 49:12
  The amount of times, we said it, Why this is?
• 49:16
  This is the one kiss of RTD one. Well when I went from Peak to
• 49:21
  one because this peak wank, I don't always Anyhow a digress
• 49:27
  again. So, um, you know, for the
• 49:29
  reasons of the plot and the reasons, it's just another RTD
• 49:32
  finale where dear, some ex machina comes out with the sky
• 49:34
  and it does so well with the carrot as he does so well
• 49:37
  buildings and Plotting around to get them in positions where
• 49:42
  there's drama and there's excitement in the tension, he
• 49:45
  just can't get out of it. You just can't get himself out
• 49:47
  of it so many times. Now in his continent and do it
• 49:50
  that, you know, the finale's always just it gets the point.
• 49:54
  Now where I expected, I expected to be, let down in Empire of
• 49:57
  death, a knew exactly what was coming.
• 49:59
  The big reset switch, and then some box explanation about
• 50:01
  blocks and you want the big bang, because it's plotted, it's
• 50:08
  just exceptionally. Oh, you could not get a flying
• 50:12
  out of the big bang for my wedding.
• 50:19
  Oh exactly. Oh beautiful.
• 50:22
  It's beautiful. It's the winner, I believe.
• 50:27
  Oh yeah, Society. Anyhow, I digress.
• 50:33
  I think the main thing, the main problem I have with this is that
• 50:37
  end of done, I get a memories wiped, and it's not because, you
• 50:41
  know, it's really sad on a, it's not gonna remember the dark
• 50:43
  date. It's pure character.
• 50:45
  Assassination of Daniel, what's the fucking point?
• 50:47
  I mean, watching those 13 episodes, It's not that it is It
• 50:51
  is, what burner cribbon says? It's what will says she was good
• 50:54
  with you. Yeah.
• 50:57
  Now, she's not. What?
• 50:59
  I don't because he's already proved in turn left.
• 51:01
  She will be just as good without him because she's amazing
• 51:04
  internally left. That's what he said.
• 51:06
  No, he's saying she was good with you now she's not.
• 51:09
  She goes back to being a dik those final scenes.
• 51:11
  Is he saying he's wrong? He's dick Donna, he's wrong.
• 51:15
  It's dick, Donna. We've seen it.
• 51:17
  He's wrong. It's dick.
• 51:18
  Donna. And That for me is just a
• 51:22
  terrible way to treat that character.
• 51:24
  I think. We all install base before we
• 51:28
  all know, we all started this series 4, you know, seeing how
• 51:35
  wonderful content it is and how wonderful donor is not
• 51:39
  continues. All the way through to get to
• 51:42
  the end where we're going to see it.
• 51:43
  We're gonna turn that off. We're going to turn your back to
• 51:45
  being a dick head. Put you back in your box.
• 51:49
  I think that's, that's an absolute terrible, terrible.
• 51:52
  And it's a crime. I think it's criminal.
• 51:55
  The well, I was, I would say that.
• 51:58
  But, Russell T Davis agrees with you because he then undid it for
• 52:01
  the sixth. Which is a great one itself
• 52:05
  should be years. But, you know, she was the most
• 52:08
  wonderful mother before she got her Memories Back.
• 52:11
  Absolutely stunning person. So, I don't know what, where
• 52:14
  this argument is going. It's backpack because you back
• 52:17
  pedals again, still a good person.
• 52:18
  He buckled in the star Beast to because he has, he's used to
• 52:22
  think of that was a, that was a bit of a mistake.
• 52:24
  So our best put that, right? So we put everything right in
• 52:27
  the store but we ain't talking about the story Beast.
• 52:29
  We're talking about this one, it's like this one.
• 52:33
  Fucked over the end of Doomsday because we have a perfect ending
• 52:36
  of Doomsday, with the doctor leaving rules on his shity
• 52:40
  Wi-Fi. In the laws Wi-Fi and Skype call
• 52:44
  on the beach, but you have to go back and he has to fix that and
• 52:48
  he has to see know that was a mistake.
• 52:50
  So, I'm gonna fuck around with us and I'm gonna go back and
• 52:52
  give him rules. The flesh still do when she can
• 52:54
  go off and she can have her life with the doctor.
• 52:56
  She can have all her cakes and eat them all and you know smear
• 53:00
  them all over his chest or whatever and lift hot content
• 53:05
  having you know giving us such a powerful dramatic moment.
• 53:08
  It's complete undercuts that so I don't, you know, blame
• 53:13
  Doomsday for what happens in this episode, but I will be in
• 53:16
  this episode for undercoating that and I'm not going to say
• 53:18
  the star Beast. Are you been in?
• 53:20
  It? Is that I'm very confused.
• 53:22
  No, I'm not been in it. I'm not been in it because don't
• 53:26
  you tell me that was your prologue for your argument?
• 53:28
  Yeah, because now well guys. Three o'clock now.
• 53:32
  Yeah. Because what I did was I watched
• 53:35
  it back, I watched it back and, you know, knowing this knowing
• 53:38
  that this was my opinion of it, having not watched it in a few
• 53:41
  years. I watched it back and fuck me.
• 53:43
  It was 2000 in it. Again, it was literally, like,
• 53:45
  here we'll go. You know, it was that pure boss,
• 53:49
  the water tank of the doctor belt of the tortoise after
• 53:51
  everything, went bad wolf. Everything's fine.
• 53:54
  It was the same of the bees. Being the father, please no Bees
• 54:01
  after everything. After every, you know, the
• 54:04
  swimming on your back, someone's return.
• 54:05
  And no, it's the fucking bees Sky.
• 54:09
  Exactly. It was the whole excitement of
• 54:12
  the sound wave. Network of that joke.
• 54:14
  Yes. We know who you are and all the
• 54:17
  rest of it. Call me up right?
• 54:19
  To that Cliffhanger, that cliffhanger.
• 54:22
  The resolution of the Cliffhanger is not important.
• 54:25
  It's the Cliffhanger. It wasn't a tease.
• 54:27
  It wasn't a tease like Ruby, Sunday's mom, which we will lead
• 54:30
  over it. Weeks to think was something
• 54:31
  important. It came absolutely out of
• 54:33
  nowhere. No one was expecting.
• 54:35
  No. It just came out of the blue and
• 54:38
  we will left for a week. I remember my exact words were
• 54:41
  not and, Cliffhanger land and it was like fuh Fox, who's it gonna
• 54:49
  be next week? Because, you know, next time it
• 54:53
  was just and I was just going for folks because we knew he
• 54:58
  wasn't regenerating. We it wasn't a surprise.
• 55:00
  I didn't I'm good. Hi, that like a year?
• 55:04
  Yeah. You know, if he was actually
• 55:07
  regenerate and it would be all over the news.
• 55:09
  When, you know, when you at this point that he'd signed up for
• 55:12
  the next year, it was gonna do my best.
• 55:13
  So it was only gonna be special. So you're new.
• 55:16
  David Tennant, wasn't even see well left thinking, how was he
• 55:20
  gonna get out of this one? And that's the point of a
• 55:22
  cliffhanger point of a cliffhanger, is to bring you
• 55:25
  back next week for you. Spend that week, speculate and
• 55:28
  thinking, well, how is the doctor gonna get out of this
• 55:30
  regardless of what the resolution is regardless of
• 55:32
  whether it's just someone walking through their own Scene?
• 55:34
  Stop. Don't Be had that man.
• 55:35
  That's not important. Part is How much you are
• 55:39
  invested in one? Come back the next week and I, I
• 55:43
  talked time off work. I was supposed to start work.
• 55:45
  It's 8:00 on the following week and I took an hour's leave.
• 55:48
  So I could watch Um, it didn't feel you, he didn't fool you
• 55:53
  obviously but he did for the nation because I couldn't turn
• 55:56
  the TV on without people on Bloody this morning and all that
• 55:59
  good. Well, who's gonna be the doctor
• 56:01
  next week? It was the nation and that's and
• 56:05
  I think that's the key thing for me is this really was the Ruger
• 56:12
  Peak. Of the public perception of
• 56:15
  Doctor Who this was pure water, cooler moment.
• 56:19
  It was everywhere. People were talking about people
• 56:21
  that, you know, four years ago, three years ago two is it
• 56:24
  wouldn't have battered denied about Doctor Who were talking
• 56:27
  about it. You that feeling of just how
• 56:30
  important our stupid little short of this mod old busted and
• 56:34
  unbox flying around. So many space saving lives and
• 56:37
  more how much this had become a part of the culture of Our
• 56:43
  country up that time is just intoxicating.
• 56:47
  It really is. So I watched it and I watched
• 56:50
  the second half and you know again just lovely bits in the
• 56:53
  second half and we talked about and you complete just Davos and
• 56:58
  you know he's a different type of Davos.
• 57:00
  He's not the clips to very static Wisher, who can't even
• 57:03
  lift his arm but he's full on. Yeah he can reach the Shelf, he
• 57:06
  can reach the safe, totally and to put the plants in and
• 57:11
  everything, and give him like little comedy moments too.
• 57:13
  Where he says, you know, the doctor is powerless my prisoner.
• 57:18
  It don't? You get goofy.
• 57:20
  So when he says to Sarah, I remember you on scar.
• 57:23
  Yeah, exactly. The best line.
• 57:26
  The reality bomb? Yeah. so ultimately, I mean,
• 57:38
  Yeah, it's not a different like it doesn't quite work for me but
• 57:42
  it works for so many other people.
• 57:43
  And you know, I don't want to take that away from anyone.
• 57:46
  I don't want to take away that absolute enjoyment.
• 57:50
  The absolute You know. Special Sensation that the was
• 57:56
  around that time. So I'm gonna put through on the
• 57:59
  basis that it really is actually until I get to the very very
• 58:02
  end. It is actually quite a Rip Roar
• 58:05
  and roll again. Right of the stormy.
• 58:09
  Daniel. Follow that.
• 58:12
  I don't know how that's fine for that.
• 58:13
  Um, so people a lot of people been bringing up the Avengers.
• 58:18
  This is better than the Avengers.
• 58:20
  It's better written. It's better directed, it's
• 58:23
  better Pace. It's better acted, it's better
• 58:26
  produced, in fact, and I've waited a long time to say this,
• 58:29
  it's better than the entire 35 film output of the entire Marvel
• 58:34
  easily. But together So I mean it's
• 58:40
  called dropping a grenade, Daniel?
• 58:41
  Yes. All Angry letters can be sent to
• 58:44
  Joe at know. So, I'm gonna be a bit metric
• 58:50
  crisis here. I've got a cheat a little bit.
• 58:52
  There's so much to talk about in the finale that I couldn't come
• 58:55
  up with three reasons. So I just I found seven bullet
• 58:59
  point little things that I love about the stolen Earth and
• 59:02
  Journey's End and also three reasons I want to pin it.
• 59:06
  I'm kind of on the fence with this one.
• 59:07
  So, anyway, I was originally gonna do 20, 27, but like the 27
• 59:12
  plants, but we want to get better tonight.
• 59:13
  So just do seven yanto laughing at that.
• 59:17
  Lame Paulo, great like it's the funniest thing in the world and
• 59:22
  Jack just goes, yanto time in a place.
• 59:24
  You could you do the line please?
• 59:26
  The Polaroid. Oh yes, I'm looking up and
• 59:29
  there's all these moons and things and I'm like, what was
• 59:32
  that? Drinking last night?
• 59:32
  Furniture polish, have you seen him?
• 59:38
  It's like we kind of get the sort of tea time,
• 59:41
  family-friendly version of Torchwood here where there's no
• 59:43
  sex, there's no swearing, you know, Gwen and Jack are actually
• 59:46
  likable and not the cold miserable bastards.
• 59:49
  We meet on the spin-off show. Number two, Michael Brandon, as
• 59:55
  the unit General Sam shares. Who is so comic book, you know,
• 59:58
  ladies and gentlemen, we are at war that whole business at unite
• 1:00:03
  HQ in New York, actually, where Geneva declares a code red, and
• 1:00:07
  then two minutes later, the Daleks attack, and they declare
• 1:00:10
  an ultimate courage. And when such as gives Martha
• 1:00:15
  the Oscar Hogan tea, he's like the Osteen he should say, you
• 1:00:20
  know, what, to do for the sake of the human race.
• 1:00:23
  So, he's a lot of fun. Third reason, Billy Piper's, big
• 1:00:29
  entrance as Rose at the beginning of the stolen enough
• 1:00:31
  is so, calm and know what you could have been off.
• 1:00:38
  No entrance. She's walking the streets with
• 1:00:43
  that massive sci-fi gun, you know, doing the badass Heroes,
• 1:00:46
  don't look at explosions cliche, you know, blasting Daleks and
• 1:00:50
  scaring off looters. But I love how Russell actually
• 1:00:53
  keeps her out of the action for the whole episode and until the
• 1:00:58
  very end. And so she doesn't get to take
• 1:01:00
  part in the, you know, Subway Network Scope Call.
• 1:01:03
  So she's all jealous. She's like, who she?
• 1:01:05
  I want to get through. I was here first and that bit
• 1:01:09
  where she lives her mobile up to the sky.
• 1:01:11
  Like a pro. Like a Prayer offering is like,
• 1:01:13
  find me doctor. I mean, she's so selfish to the
• 1:01:17
  last. It's like she never left and
• 1:01:22
  just the way she she teleports too.
• 1:01:24
  When just just before you get that Cliffhanger, she says to
• 1:01:27
  Wilson Sylvia, how good? I'm gonna find him.
• 1:01:29
  Wish me luck and all good luck and he's like, yeah, good luck.
• 1:01:31
  We are and she just puts so funny, Bernard cribbins.
• 1:01:35
  Number four is something. I noticed all the way through
• 1:01:39
  this fourth series actually What cribbins does with the role of
• 1:01:42
  wealth where he could just play it?
• 1:01:44
  As the sort of straightforward, sweet, loving grandfather.
• 1:01:47
  But he's always doing these little bits of Comedy for the
• 1:01:50
  kids, so to make him a bit quirky.
• 1:01:52
  So, in partners in crime, he does that little jig on the
• 1:01:55
  allotment. At the end in the sontaran
• 1:01:57
  two-parter, he does that football whistle when the Atmos
• 1:02:01
  gas is fun, is burn away. Like, yeah, in turn left.
• 1:02:05
  He's got the reindeer antlers on and he does that point, you
• 1:02:09
  know, Merry Christmas to to Donna and here, obviously,
• 1:02:13
  there's the bit with the paintball gun on the Dalek and,
• 1:02:16
  you know, because barley cribbins was in the darkness,
• 1:02:19
  not in bed and and yeah and then Rose blows it up.
• 1:02:25
  He's like want to swap and those final scenes.
• 1:02:31
  Well, just before the final scene with ten actually when
• 1:02:33
  they told the Earth back home and everyone celebrating and he
• 1:02:36
  and Sylvia kind of jumping up and down in their living room
• 1:02:39
  and he takes his little ornament and he got a headset across the
• 1:02:41
  room, like Number five rows again that Cliffhanger and I
• 1:02:49
  mean I love it so much where she the doctor sees her and she
• 1:02:52
  gives that beaming kind of Billy pipe of megawatt smile and she
• 1:02:56
  intended run across the longest road ever.
• 1:03:53
  Infinity. And you know, two stalks lava's
• 1:04:03
  about to fall into each other's arms and then that darling turns
• 1:04:06
  off and he shoots the doctor and cuts him down on the spot
• 1:04:09
  annuation. How do you want to go?
• 1:04:11
  I mean, I'd love to go my subscribe.
• 1:04:13
  Just the most melodramatic to see Russell's ever written and
• 1:04:19
  he wrote it just to fuck with the audience.
• 1:04:20
  I mean, what a boss did. And that's when you see the sort
• 1:04:25
  of tough girl act that Rose has been putting on Sid's turn left
• 1:04:28
  it cracks, it completely cracks and she drops all presents and
• 1:04:32
  she's crying and she's upset. And yeah, six neck Briggs.
• 1:04:38
  I think this is basically Pawn um, with all the iconography
• 1:04:43
  going on the Dalek swarming, around the valley and the Dalek
• 1:04:46
  spaceships and Nick horn. Did you say?
• 1:04:51
  Porn for the matcha. In or outside the show where
• 1:04:55
  she'll be checking out your browser history after this.
• 1:04:59
  How do you pronounce bukaki? Bukaki bukaki.
• 1:05:04
  Well, speaking of the voices, he gets to give this totally new
• 1:05:09
  spin on dalit card and who was always my favorite actually of
• 1:05:12
  the culture score because he's the darling, who sort of kept to
• 1:05:15
  himself. And he had this little deep
• 1:05:17
  little voice, and he had this little chat with Mr. Dark.
• 1:05:20
  Mr. Digress. On the Empire State Building
• 1:05:22
  and, and then he has some sort of reversed darling puberty when
• 1:05:27
  when he betrayed Alex. And, and anyway, and they've
• 1:05:31
  reinvented him. As this sort of mad Prophet
• 1:05:33
  darling, where he speaks, you know, in the sort of Singsong
• 1:05:37
  voice, and all these insane lies Into the Wild and the fire and
• 1:05:43
  then the Supreme darling as well, whose very grandiose, did
• 1:05:46
  he thinks he's the boss of everyone, you know, they made
• 1:05:51
  Devil's his bitch and my apps. Luke favorite moment is, when do
• 1:05:56
  you have that? That moment of the Doctor Soul
• 1:05:58
  is revealed And tenant looks so shaken.
• 1:06:00
  And there's this very dramatic pause and then the Supreme
• 1:06:03
  garlic just goes off. And finally davros, um, I think
• 1:06:11
  Journey's End especially live lives and dies on those devil
• 1:06:15
  scenes. And Julian bleach is just
• 1:06:18
  brilliant. And I think I like to think that
• 1:06:20
  Russell has essentially written the last Dave, Ross story.
• 1:06:24
  Here it cut it. Come it makes perfect sense for
• 1:06:27
  a character like Dave Ross who's so insane and twisted and Petty,
• 1:06:31
  that he would actually go so far as to cannibalize himself to
• 1:06:35
  make this fully fledged garlic, Empire out of his own body and
• 1:06:39
  then this completely absurd, ultimate Final Solution, where
• 1:06:43
  it's gonna like everything annihilate, everything in the
• 1:06:45
  universe ever. So he can then go haha.
• 1:06:48
  Now, the Daleks are truly the superior being because they are
• 1:06:51
  the only beings in existence and, you know, that that scene
• 1:06:58
  with him and tenant where he still manages to get under his
• 1:07:01
  skin. And it given what they've done
• 1:07:04
  with devil since, you know, in the witches familiar and Um,
• 1:07:08
  which I think phraser, you described as the worst seen ever
• 1:07:12
  in Doctor Who? Yeah.
• 1:07:13
  Yeah. So um, and given now that we're
• 1:07:17
  all quite rightly having these conversations about how to
• 1:07:19
  portray disability in a way, that's not evil.
• 1:07:22
  I think it's quite there's no way.
• 1:07:25
  There's no real direction for the character to go after this.
• 1:07:29
  I think so. It's quite a fitting end for him
• 1:07:32
  to be engulfed in flames at the end where the Dola Empire falls
• 1:07:36
  into ruin and the doctor tries to save him and he goes.
• 1:07:38
  Yeah, that's true. Yeah, wonderful.
• 1:07:43
  So yeah, lots to love about this big finale of series 4.
• 1:07:48
  However the thing about getting all your toys out of the box is
• 1:07:53
  that you eventually have to put them all back again and I think
• 1:07:56
  that's where we kind of run into trouble in Journey's End.
• 1:07:59
  There's a moment where Rose actually says, is anyone gonna
• 1:08:02
  tell me what's going on? And that's the thing.
• 1:08:06
  There's so much going on. So many characters so much at
• 1:08:09
  stake. The reason and episode like the
• 1:08:12
  stolen Earthworks is because it's there's this Breakneck
• 1:08:14
  Pace, there's this forward momentum with because of, yeah,
• 1:08:18
  Graham Harper's Direction where you have that energy that
• 1:08:20
  forward momentum, where you swept along for the ride and
• 1:08:24
  what type of energy comes from Graham Hopper, more energy, lots
• 1:08:28
  and lots of lovely and it is, right?
• 1:08:30
  So you just you go here and you say the technobabble and you say
• 1:08:33
  this and you do that more energy and you.
• 1:08:36
  Yeah, so so it kind of grinds to a hole in Journeys and where all
• 1:08:42
  the characters have to end up in the same place, get teleported
• 1:08:46
  there or taken prisoner by the Daleks and a lot of it is them
• 1:08:50
  basically standing around explaining the plot to each
• 1:08:52
  other. And there's a lot of yakking.
• 1:08:55
  I mean there is a is a very talky episode.
• 1:08:57
  You have all this bollocks with the dimension cannons, needing
• 1:09:00
  like a 30 minute recharge to stop the cast teleporting, all
• 1:09:04
  over the place, you know, yantu and Gwen, who was such a big
• 1:09:07
  part of the A stolen Earth immediately get rid now sealed
• 1:09:10
  in the timeline and they're replaced with Jackie and Mickey
• 1:09:13
  and I like Jackie Mickey and it's a nice surprise to see them
• 1:09:16
  back but they they're really are just window dressing.
• 1:09:19
  They're there to get captured, they see the effect of the
• 1:09:22
  reality bomb and then they're basically taking hostage Jackie
• 1:09:27
  has no characterization Beyond where's Rose?
• 1:09:29
  Where's my it's true? No Clark, it's terrible.
• 1:09:34
  I mean Mickey's Zero to Hero Ark that he ate the guardian.
• 1:09:43
  Um, his Mickey had this sort of Zero to Hero Arc in which came
• 1:09:48
  to a natural end in doomsday, where he's the he's the fully
• 1:09:51
  mature hero. So there's no where left for the
• 1:09:54
  character to go. You bring him back and he just
• 1:09:56
  does this tough guy act again. He points a gun at Dave Ross and
• 1:09:59
  then he just leaves and gets goes, and gets married to Martha
• 1:10:03
  for some reason. Yeah, Russell did such a great
• 1:10:08
  job of building up the Daleks with, with the operatic news,
• 1:10:11
  Murray Gold music in the first half the Epic scale, the Majesty
• 1:10:15
  of this darling Empire. And so it is a bit sort of
• 1:10:20
  deflating when Catherine Tate presses a load of buttons and
• 1:10:23
  becomes, you know, super Donna, the sort of StreetWise Ramona if
• 1:10:28
  you like and does all they all do all this technique about all
• 1:10:33
  just to turn it down, Daleks off.
• 1:10:34
  I mean it's quite funny but it's not very satisfying.
• 1:10:37
  The Meta crisis stopped her has the lamest line of technical I
• 1:10:43
  think in the entire Russell gave his era even worse than
• 1:10:47
  anti-plastic, where he says, I actually wrote it down because
• 1:10:50
  it's I couldn't understand what it meant.
• 1:10:52
  It was Max and maximizing. The dial Athenian, power fleets,
• 1:10:56
  blasting them back. I mean, what does that even
• 1:10:58
  mean? It just says it's provocative.
• 1:11:01
  Yeah, you're supposed to go. Oh, right?
• 1:11:03
  Yeah, yeah. So anyway, this, I think they
• 1:11:08
  have some dialect nonsense in the first half about the
• 1:11:11
  crucibles at 90% efficiency, so we're meant to infer.
• 1:11:13
  There's a lot of power but yeah it's never explained Donna's
• 1:11:17
  first death, not the not the sort of the the memory wipe at
• 1:11:21
  the end but when she falls down into the core of The Crucible
• 1:11:25
  with the Tardis, it's a fake out kind of death and he doesn't
• 1:11:28
  really work because we escape, we see her escape from The
• 1:11:32
  Crucible almost immediately with naked, David Tennant 2.0 but it
• 1:11:38
  got me thinking back to that first see that first series in
• 1:11:41
  Bad Wolf where Rose Eyes and she Gets Zapped by the Android and
• 1:11:45
  bad wolf and she vanishes from the story for a good sort of
• 1:11:48
  five ten minutes and were left with Christopher, Atkinson's
• 1:11:51
  kind of grief stricken reaction. And and you know when I was
• 1:11:57
  first watching that 12 year old me, I thought she had generally
• 1:11:59
  been killed so and you only realized that she's alive around
• 1:12:04
  the same time that the doctor and Jack realized.
• 1:12:06
  So here you know you know that there's a live you know she's
• 1:12:10
  alive. She's all right.
• 1:12:11
  And so you you get tenants reaction and I do like the bit
• 1:12:14
  that Rose holds his hand while it happens but there's no weight
• 1:12:18
  to the scene. There's no real impact.
• 1:12:20
  And finally, we come to the scene on Bad Wolf Bay where I'm
• 1:12:25
  kind of torn on this one because You're right that final scene on
• 1:12:30
  the beach in doomsday is such a perfect kind of heart-wrenching
• 1:12:33
  ending for rose and a brilliant Capstone to Series 2, which, you
• 1:12:38
  know, introduced this love story between her and the doctor and
• 1:12:41
  then went on to prove that love loving the doctor is impossible.
• 1:12:45
  Um, and so it can be very tricky to revisit a scene like that.
• 1:12:49
  Literally the same old Bleak Beach that they went to, you
• 1:12:53
  know, backer Beyond bloody Norway says Jackie and you kind
• 1:12:59
  of add on a little PostScript and there's always a big risk of
• 1:13:02
  that feeling contrived or even ruining the original.
• 1:13:04
  So and Russell himself went into great detail in the writers
• 1:13:09
  Tower about how he had such a hard time writing rewriting that
• 1:13:13
  sequence never feeling like it get it he could get it quite
• 1:13:15
  right. And so he kind of made the scene
• 1:13:18
  about Rose making the choice in stead of the doctor.
• 1:13:20
  I'm actually quite glad they cut a bit where he Chucks them a bit
• 1:13:24
  of tardis Coral so they can grow their own tardis.
• 1:13:27
  Yeah, no thanks in. So it does feel a bit sort of
• 1:13:33
  like some fan fiction. He Wishful film and to drop rows
• 1:13:36
  off in the parallel universe with a perfectly compatible
• 1:13:39
  doctor so she can live happily ever after.
• 1:13:41
  Because the beauty of the scene in doomsday was that she wasn't.
• 1:13:45
  In love with the doctor just because she had this girlish
• 1:13:47
  dream of sex and babies. It was she was in love with the
• 1:13:51
  idea of this of a doctor who never had to be alone again.
• 1:13:55
  So here there's something a little too neat and tidy where
• 1:13:58
  they have to spell out for you everything that was evoked in
• 1:14:01
  series one. And two, where he says, you
• 1:14:04
  know, you were born in battle full of blood and anger and
• 1:14:06
  revenge. Remind you of someone that was
• 1:14:09
  me. When are we first met?
• 1:14:11
  You know, when I first stood on the beach in the on the worst
• 1:14:15
  day of my life, what was the last thing he said to me?
• 1:14:18
  So, really kind of like, did you get it yet?
• 1:14:21
  Did you get it? And so, I also think they used
• 1:14:25
  the wrong, take for the kiss because they should have gone
• 1:14:28
  for that, passionate snog. You see in the behind the
• 1:14:30
  scenes, where it kind of looks like, they're going to do it
• 1:14:33
  right there on the south. I mean, the original doctor
• 1:14:38
  would have gone. Yeah.
• 1:14:38
  Right. No chance or see you later.
• 1:14:40
  Where's that available? Daniel, Go on confidential.
• 1:14:43
  Oh, yeah. Thank you.
• 1:14:45
  Just, just one the subject of the word that Whispers, In The
• 1:14:51
  Roses. Yeah, and we all thinking, it's
• 1:14:54
  now we can't. Okay, yeah, well, it was three.
• 1:14:57
  Well, it was three words. I love the cocky, I do head.
• 1:15:01
  Oh, that's the here. Punch.
• 1:15:11
  On the other hand, I mean I do have a hard time dismissing.
• 1:15:15
  It entirely though cause it is a happy ending it's kind of it's
• 1:15:18
  an RTD ending. So it is kind of bittersweet
• 1:15:20
  because it leaves rose with a doctor who is a photocopy of the
• 1:15:24
  original who will love her back. Precisely because that's
• 1:15:29
  something the doctor himself can never do.
• 1:15:31
  It's that thing of loving someone and then you see them go
• 1:15:35
  off with someone else and you know, they're better off with
• 1:15:38
  this new person by any rational measure but also they're not you
• 1:15:43
  and and Daniel, you better hope that Rose.
• 1:15:46
  So catch up with him, post a giggle when you settle down with
• 1:15:49
  family because she's gonna be fucking piece and shit.
• 1:15:52
  Oh, you just as long as it's the right girl.
• 1:15:56
  Yeah. All right.
• 1:15:57
  Well as a Sylvester McCoy once said, love has never been noted
• 1:16:02
  for its fashion. So there is yeah, there is
• 1:16:06
  something quite wistfully poetic about the doctor, always wishing
• 1:16:09
  for a quiet life. He's been confronted with the
• 1:16:11
  idea of settling down in stories, like The Impossible
• 1:16:14
  Planet and human nature. He tells Rose in school reunion.
• 1:16:18
  You can spend the last the rest of your life with me.
• 1:16:20
  But, I can't spend the rest of mine with you.
• 1:16:23
  I have to live on alone. And here he says, I've He got
• 1:16:27
  one life Rose, Tyler could spend it with you if you want.
• 1:16:30
  We could spend it together. And just the way, the actors
• 1:16:34
  play it. I never noticed that Billie.
• 1:16:36
  Piper had tears in her eyes. They never noticed that that
• 1:16:39
  there's this close up on tenants face, just before he he when he
• 1:16:42
  reacts to the kiss and he just doesn't say anything and he
• 1:16:45
  walks out of frame. So and finally, I always so
• 1:16:49
  think that Russell might have forgotten something quite
• 1:16:51
  important that yes the metrics crisis, doctors part human but
• 1:16:56
  he's also part Donna. So I think you know, she'll wake
• 1:17:00
  up the next morning and it's gonna be a bit of a rude
• 1:17:03
  awakening, because he'll be like all our Earth.
• 1:17:05
  Girl, you just want to mate. That's the fingers and just oh
• 1:17:16
  well done. Yeah, I'm a romantic.
• 1:17:20
  So yeah, let's put it through. Fuck it go on going through.
• 1:17:24
  Right? So that is me and Daniel putting
• 1:17:27
  it through but unfortunately, because Lee he owned and Joe
• 1:17:31
  have said, no, it goes in the bin which means, oh no, I've got
• 1:17:35
  something. I'd like actually a realized I
• 1:17:41
  realized all the good things and all the bad things.
• 1:17:43
  You just said, there are really fucking loving this story and my
• 1:17:48
  entire argument was hinged around what other people like.
• 1:17:51
  I know my Ginger before, don't give a fuk what?
• 1:17:54
  I don't care what I like so I'd like to put it through please.
• 1:18:00
  Your Ford you are dead to me just name him destroyer of
• 1:18:06
  worlds. Those were the three words he
• 1:18:09
  whispered in her ear. What So in a dramatic turn of
• 1:18:19
  events, all the open Journeys and hasn't heed went through
• 1:18:22
  after an hour and a half. Oh yeah.
• 1:18:29
  Right, we already spin again. Oh yeah, that's good to spend
• 1:18:33
  the wheel spin, spin spin, a few more twists like that.
• 1:18:37
  Please. As we go, oh, it's over you.
• 1:18:41
  Oh, let's talk about silence in the library and forests of the
• 1:18:45
  Dead. Oh, fucking boy!
• 1:18:47
  I loved. I think this is moffett's best
• 1:18:52
  script. I think it's the best production
• 1:18:54
  of one of his scripts and I love all the ideas in here as well.
• 1:18:57
  You've got a library planet. Killer Shadows virtual reality,
• 1:19:02
  the doctor and Donna facing their own future.
• 1:19:04
  A post stated Love Story. The fairy tale Adventures of a
• 1:19:08
  Dying child. It's a remarkably packed script,
• 1:19:11
  isn't it at the same time, Moffitt Frozen ideas, like
• 1:19:14
  ghosting the nodes walking skeletons.
• 1:19:18
  Oh, and he's even got some time to make some very intelligent
• 1:19:22
  comments on the conventions of television as well.
• 1:19:25
  I think it's a remarkable script.
• 1:19:27
  I think for a two-parter, it has an extremely satisfying payoff.
• 1:19:31
  I think both the doctor and rivers.
• 1:19:35
  Scene towards the end of the story.
• 1:19:37
  It's Sensational. I think it's might be the best
• 1:19:39
  River song ever was. But that even that's talked by
• 1:19:43
  Donna, don't you just love the bit where she's in the white
• 1:19:45
  light going? I promise you, I'll find you die
• 1:19:54
  here. It's okay.
• 1:20:03
  It's okay. It's not over for you.
• 1:20:05
  You'll see me again. You've got all of that to come.
• 1:20:09
  You and me time and space you What will you know my name
• 1:20:20
  auto-destruct you would put my name in my ear?
• 1:20:30
  Could. Hear.
• 1:21:22
  Another moment this season, I'd like to live in my life and a
• 1:21:26
  bit. I think Sai was saying to us.
• 1:21:27
  Wasn't he Fraser about the bit? Where what's a Fella's?
• 1:21:31
  Name Lee? Yeah, sorry, yeah sorry yeah.
• 1:21:35
  Where he can't, he can't say, we can't talk properly.
• 1:21:38
  What? Yeah, thank you very much.
• 1:21:42
  I'm a stuttering. Now, that's a beautiful moment
• 1:21:45
  at the end as well. I think all of Donna's nightmare
• 1:21:49
  within the thing that whole thing about the children, all
• 1:21:52
  being the same, the scene in the part, we missed that eventually
• 1:21:56
  start and a Miserable face that in the bedroom that the red
• 1:22:01
  light that comes in the window, like the apocalypse come and
• 1:22:05
  then the children disappearing. Her performance is not saying
• 1:22:08
  that. I can play in a lot in the
• 1:22:10
  Moffitt era that they go too far.
• 1:22:13
  That might be too far, but fuck me.
• 1:22:16
  She sells that saying? It's absolutely brilliant.
• 1:22:18
  I think you were still ins Direction, it's the best.
• 1:22:21
  He ever gave us until children of Earth, I think it's a
• 1:22:24
  visually Sumptuous story. Some of the CGI is a little bit
• 1:22:28
  dated. Now, as special effects, tend to
• 1:22:31
  be go watch the invisible enemy, but I think they get the scale
• 1:22:36
  of it, right? And it's special in the second
• 1:22:38
  episode there, seems where we're looking above over the library
• 1:22:43
  Planet. There seems where the doctors
• 1:22:44
  hanging on that tube, and the whole of the planets around.
• 1:22:49
  Here's of the doctor and Donna heading, down the stairs.
• 1:22:53
  And there's the whole planet out in front of them, in terms of
• 1:22:57
  the ambition of the effects, I think is absolutely staggering.
• 1:23:02
  But the real reason I love this. I think the second episode is
• 1:23:06
  remarkable payoff, but First episode.
• 1:23:10
  It's as close to Classic Hoovers, I think you're ever
• 1:23:13
  going to get in the new series and it takes place in one room.
• 1:23:17
  It's slows right down and it's all about suspense and
• 1:23:21
  atmosphere and character building.
• 1:23:23
  And those are things that classic who did absolutely
• 1:23:25
  perfectly. A lot of people say the empty
• 1:23:27
  child and the doctor, dances is like the clothes.
• 1:23:30
  The new series comes to Classic. I think it's the first part of
• 1:23:33
  the library to part. The second part is all new and
• 1:23:36
  it's actually opening a door to a brand new version of knew who
• 1:23:39
  that we would get Buckinghams time when we dive away from the
• 1:23:45
  Cliffhanger in another Direction and then Jack all 15 million
• 1:23:49
  ideas. So all this.
• 1:23:49
  But so and I really want to focus especially on the death of
• 1:23:55
  Miss Evangelista and there's like a whole five minutes
• 1:23:58
  sequence where she's left on a room and then she goes into that
• 1:24:02
  other room and then you hear the scream and then they do the
• 1:24:06
  ghosting, the scene and Donna's reaction to that.
• 1:24:08
  And okay, that is actually plot points but really, it doesn't
• 1:24:13
  have to be as long as it is. I don't have to give it as much
• 1:24:15
  time as they do, but he's got the time and the space.
• 1:24:18
  It's amazing. Stuff is absolutely amazing.
• 1:24:21
  I just think on every single level, this works like
• 1:24:24
  gangbusters. I think he juggles the ideas,
• 1:24:28
  the plot, and the character to a perfect degree in this
• 1:24:32
  two-parter. In a way that he did do it again
• 1:24:35
  in his own time. Well another time doctor falls
• 1:24:38
  and a few other moments but really, really as a deadly as he
• 1:24:42
  does here. Yeah.
• 1:24:44
  Just everything the dialogue, the acting fucking that scream
• 1:24:48
  from Donna at the end of the first episode terrifying.
• 1:24:51
  Hey, who turned out the lights? It's a skeleton.
• 1:24:54
  It'll suit his fucking amazing. I realized this is just a rant
• 1:24:59
  of random things. Now I never ever get bored of
• 1:25:03
  watching this and I think, This season is so well.
• 1:25:07
  Structured this special the second half in that, you get the
• 1:25:11
  light Airy, Sunny unicorn and the wasp, and then you go to
• 1:25:15
  this which is all atmosphere and scares and characters, and then
• 1:25:20
  you move on to two psychological dramas.
• 1:25:22
  It's just one Bangor after another at this part of the
• 1:25:25
  season, but this is the biggie. And it hits.
• 1:25:28
  So yes please let's put through science and library for us at
• 1:25:33
  Date. I think it's I think it might be
• 1:25:36
  more fits best script for Doctor Who.
• 1:25:39
  Well. Prius from offer from Drew Ford,
• 1:25:42
  I'm here first. Oh no, who knew indeed?
• 1:25:45
  Wait let's see who out there in the ham Farmland agrees with
• 1:25:49
  you. I will start this off with Tim
• 1:25:51
  Carter who says it's a great spooky Tale.
• 1:25:53
  The mystery of River Song is well, played and Alex, Kingston
• 1:25:57
  makes a big impression again, tears.
• 1:26:00
  Amazing, as she starts to work out.
• 1:26:01
  The virtual reality world. See him when the children to the
• 1:26:05
  bedroom is so upsetting due to Tate's performance.
• 1:26:09
  The new name made Dolly mama says a very good episode.
• 1:26:13
  I was so sad. When the husband tried to call
• 1:26:15
  out to Donna later in the library and then got stuck on
• 1:26:18
  his stuff. She say how eloquently she said
• 1:26:21
  that there and how I Made a right hash of it.
• 1:26:26
  The introduction to River and her fate.
• 1:26:28
  And the doctors is also tear jerking.
• 1:26:30
  Oh man, it's so great, isn't it hush now, There's so many ways
• 1:26:38
  in this season. I want to die.
• 1:26:42
  Yeah, Paul Quinn. Oh boy, the library two-parter
• 1:26:48
  is Moffat best of or TD and maybe his Masterpiece, I start.
• 1:26:54
  What a guy Jason Thompson Moffitt Trails his time as
• 1:26:57
  showrunner by introducing Riverstone song and stating
• 1:27:01
  outright the doctor doesn't accept people dieing.
• 1:27:03
  Providing her with a digital afterlife.
• 1:27:06
  The vascular a good creepy monster but the ending is gutted
• 1:27:10
  by focusing on River and future teasing.
• 1:27:12
  Nothing is resolved. Been.
• 1:27:17
  Jason Thompson has left the library.
• 1:27:19
  Okay? Jason Thompson is not mention
• 1:27:25
  that Cliffhanger ending. Daniel, Michael, it's a head on
• 1:27:29
  a stick. Well, we all know that James had
• 1:27:34
  one Bennett loves a bit of offered, so, Creepiest, Heck on
• 1:27:39
  the first watch, then fell apart, completely on subsequent
• 1:27:42
  viewings. Moffat overdose the catchphrases
• 1:27:46
  just about getting away with stealing from Big finish to make
• 1:27:48
  River. It needs to be binned for the
• 1:27:50
  knock-on effect. It has on the show as a whole.
• 1:27:53
  Oh what we didn't let us down, really does it David?
• 1:27:57
  Gillespie Pratt says the library story is the one that gave us
• 1:28:00
  River song. Thank you, David.
• 1:28:01
  We've seen it. Not sure if that's praise or
• 1:28:04
  condemnation. The river we have here is not as
• 1:28:07
  over the top of the one. We get later and far less
• 1:28:10
  annoying as a result. I do like this one though.
• 1:28:14
  Mr. Nathan bottomley. Moffat, best contribution to
• 1:28:18
  either RTD either. It's a strange.
• 1:28:21
  Imagine if tried. Funny, clever and heartbreaking,
• 1:28:25
  Has Alex Kingston is with a song.
• 1:28:28
  Fourth thing is just perfect intense.
• 1:28:31
  What? I've been dieting, It's the
• 1:28:33
  funniest line in Doctor. Who Oh, Arthur says I like it at
• 1:28:38
  the time but little did we know what was to come?
• 1:28:43
  No, Paul. We don't judge, she's just
• 1:28:47
  stories on this board. Focus on this one.
• 1:28:51
  Not what happens in the future. So John Arnold says the first
• 1:28:55
  time off at Wells, the front half of one story to the back
• 1:28:58
  half of another created an Unholy hybrid.
• 1:29:00
  What's a catchy phrase? Tennis sells the home of the
• 1:29:04
  first half, tear to the emotion of the second and Moffett gets
• 1:29:07
  the deep in the Heartbreak of the ending.
• 1:29:09
  Over the next seven years, you should have done it in Capaldi
• 1:29:13
  style, it's a hybrid hybrid, Daniel, you know, it says, I
• 1:29:18
  didn't like silence on the first showing it felt smug and
• 1:29:21
  gimmicky but it has some great scares and decent
• 1:29:24
  characterization. Donna, especially I quite like
• 1:29:26
  River in this, she isn't as irritating as she will be.
• 1:29:30
  In the Smith era. Or cresa.
• 1:29:35
  The first example of modern shifts in tone and story in the
• 1:29:39
  middle of his two partners, but it actually works here. before
• 1:29:43
  just get annoyed and he's only Nice introduction.
• 1:29:47
  For River Song which is more Bitter.
• 1:29:49
  Sweet in hindsight. Here at Evans, a great Moffat
• 1:29:52
  script and I like River here not something I always say oh mix
• 1:29:56
  reactions to River but people tend to like her here.
• 1:29:58
  Yeah. James locks got an essay.
• 1:30:02
  Oh, I'm going for toilet, right? Yeah, he's good top tier Moffat,
• 1:30:09
  a great script beautifully realized with lighting design
• 1:30:12
  and Direction all contributing to its haunting atmosphere.
• 1:30:15
  It's understated and unassuming. But some of the year as most
• 1:30:20
  striking images creeped out of these Shadows, Moffat also gives
• 1:30:24
  us his trademark subversion of the Cliffhanger ending but
• 1:30:27
  before it has become a trademark In context before the law of
• 1:30:31
  diminishing returns kicked in, this was a refreshing and classy
• 1:30:35
  approach to the two parts structure.
• 1:30:37
  Lovely Gareth. Boley says there's not much to
• 1:30:41
  it. Shadow monsters, sigh, okay?
• 1:30:44
  If you can't think of much else, that's the way to go yawn, plus
• 1:30:47
  it must be eliminated for the pain injured on the in series by
• 1:30:52
  introducing River Song. Oh, not a fan.
• 1:30:57
  Then that is a strong argument. I'm not gonna lie.
• 1:31:00
  Ed I'd love to wander own that lie before hours and hours.
• 1:31:05
  Much of what I said in the previous comment, which we have
• 1:31:08
  not read yet. Tell me why me apply.
• 1:31:10
  Yeah. But with one major Improvement,
• 1:31:12
  three words. Alex, bloody Kingston.
• 1:31:19
  She's absolutely amazing here. Love of Ashton or order.
• 1:31:23
  The design is great. A Perfect, two-parter, Joe.
• 1:31:27
  She is amazing here. I think this is pretty on
• 1:31:31
  something. This is Tom Baker in series
• 1:31:33
  season 12. Yeah, it's later on when she
• 1:31:36
  she's found her audio so that's what it all gets a bit
• 1:31:39
  agonizing. Paul Smite, this is almost
• 1:31:42
  Flawless Steven moffett's best script for the program it looks
• 1:31:45
  great. Excellent debut for River Song,
• 1:31:47
  amazing Cliffhanger Catherine Tate is again perfection.
• 1:31:53
  The nemesis. Well pretty solid and far more
• 1:31:56
  straightforward than a lot of moth story lines and probably
• 1:32:00
  unintentionally foreshadows elements with dark water.
• 1:32:03
  Donna's fake world is far more disturbing than the spooky
• 1:32:06
  Library downside. Another annoying catchphrase.
• 1:32:11
  Oscar Groucho is very succinct. He just says Moffitt by numbers,
• 1:32:15
  but no less entertaining for that.
• 1:32:18
  Okay, wait, I promised him a Fanfare.
• 1:32:20
  So I'm going to try and deliver so It's big orange, Michael.
• 1:32:28
  Should we try and do it as like a barbershop quartet, hang on.
• 1:32:30
  I'll start. Add right after we found out,
• 1:32:44
  moffatt was taking over so I dissected every Nuance looking
• 1:32:49
  for hints on how he'd run the show.
• 1:32:51
  Moffat makes his case for being the Robert Holmes of modern who,
• 1:32:54
  by taking the mundane and making it scary.
• 1:32:58
  Superb story and maybe one of moffat's, best.
• 1:33:01
  Keep it. Not impossible.
• 1:33:04
  We're nearly there. For example, was very popular.
• 1:33:07
  Let's talk about, you know, mine's Parsons says, the library
• 1:33:10
  to partner is fun but it's also the one where Moffitt sticks
• 1:33:14
  starts to get tiresome. And sadly that are mine.
• 1:33:17
  Parsons what? A wise man became the bloody
• 1:33:19
  template for the next three years.
• 1:33:23
  Muttley newbie saying, something that I be Forest of the Dead is
• 1:33:27
  another great Moffitt script despite his overused tropes,
• 1:33:31
  already beginning to be obvious here, they work very well
• 1:33:35
  though, with the Unseen threat. Repeated catchphrase is an even
• 1:33:39
  nobody dying. Be quite effective.
• 1:33:41
  Ivory body. Finally, the mintiest army of
• 1:33:46
  all time. The campus Patrol says, I wasn't
• 1:33:49
  often scares watching Doctor Who was a child, but Silas, and the
• 1:33:53
  library was one of the few exceptions were Miss Avenger
• 1:33:56
  Lister revealed her distorted face to Donna.
• 1:33:58
  It was a properly terrifying moment.
• 1:34:01
  It was either on musk sex, why? Yeah.
• 1:34:06
  He's got a few I think now. He's got any help will not talk
• 1:34:10
  about look around again. In this episode we covered him
• 1:34:13
  last time we did. So who would like to go next?
• 1:34:15
  Any volunteers, go on and all right.
• 1:34:19
  Okay, so I this one was the biggest surprise for me because
• 1:34:26
  I don't think I have a gave it the time of day.
• 1:34:28
  When it first came out, I mean, I liked it, but I don't think I
• 1:34:31
  gave it much credit at the time and I am one of those people who
• 1:34:37
  prefer moffett's stories in the first three seasons.
• 1:34:39
  So, this one I was like, yeah, well, but this time, um, I loved
• 1:34:45
  it. It was it I think it stands up
• 1:34:47
  amazingly well. So three things, one of them's
• 1:34:51
  that we've already talked about, which is the World building.
• 1:34:53
  I mean, it's it's just this idea of a library on a planetary
• 1:34:56
  scale and all those CGI shots where you see it at dusk, and
• 1:35:00
  then you see it at night. And the, there's those, I forgot
• 1:35:04
  how long it takes actually for River.
• 1:35:06
  And company to arrive because those three minutes yes.
• 1:35:10
  Like 20 minutes of the first 20 minutes is just the doctor and
• 1:35:13
  Donna wandering around the library and you just feel the
• 1:35:16
  the scale and the huge kind of desolation of those long kind of
• 1:35:21
  pauses as well. Do you think that was
• 1:35:23
  deliberate? Because we're going to have two
• 1:35:25
  stories going ahead, where they're apart, just to give them
• 1:35:27
  some time together, you know? Well, yeah, possibly yes, maybe.
• 1:35:30
  Yeah. I think maybe Russell gave
• 1:35:32
  Stephen a note saying. Yeah.
• 1:35:34
  Give them something to do. So.
• 1:35:37
  And yeah, though, we've talked about the, the courtesy nodes as
• 1:35:41
  well where they are literal interface.
• 1:35:43
  So a face in a thing, a real human face.
• 1:35:47
  I'd never it's a very Moffat thing of mixing the horrific and
• 1:35:50
  the mundane and also giving you a little cue, a little clue
• 1:35:55
  right in plain sight as to who who Cal is and whoa, what is
• 1:35:59
  her? What is her true form at the end
• 1:36:01
  and Euros Lynn's Direction? Where he's he Makes these spaces
• 1:36:07
  feel so huge and also claustrophobic at the same time
• 1:36:11
  and there's a short where where the characters going through a
• 1:36:15
  room that's essentially the same room they've been in in the
• 1:36:18
  first half but because of the lighting's changed to this kind
• 1:36:21
  of Moody red and the the camera sort of pans down from the, the
• 1:36:26
  overhead, the overhead windows from the sky and then right down
• 1:36:29
  to the to the library shelves, it feels like a completely
• 1:36:32
  different different pace. Really second thing is Alex,
• 1:36:38
  Kingston as River Song. So, yes, if you spend a lot of
• 1:36:43
  time in Doctor, Who fandom you, you have a pretty good idea of
• 1:36:46
  what most people think of river song.
• 1:36:48
  She's quite popular of the youth.
• 1:36:50
  Actually, I think I'm told well, except maybe some people, you
• 1:36:55
  are, you people younger than me? I'm thinking, so, I'm sort of
• 1:37:03
  somewhere in the middle where I, I've, I don't think.
• 1:37:06
  I love her. I don't think I, I hate her.
• 1:37:09
  I I generally buy her love story of the doctor, but not all the
• 1:37:13
  time. So I think some people in the
• 1:37:17
  comments have been saying that she's not as irritating as she
• 1:37:19
  is in later stories. And I think the, the reason
• 1:37:23
  behind that is or the difference here is there's a very
• 1:37:26
  refreshing lack of ego in the character.
• 1:37:30
  And in the performance, I think later on written river is
• 1:37:34
  written to be kind of a bit like the doctor in some respects.
• 1:37:36
  So she's got a massive ego. But here there's something so
• 1:37:40
  sort of forthright and and vulnerable about about Alex,
• 1:37:45
  Kingston, where, and it helps that she's not sort of
• 1:37:47
  glamorized or sexualized as this sort of Femme, Fatale, in gowns,
• 1:37:52
  and evening, and evening dresses in later stories.
• 1:37:55
  So here, she's just dressed like everyone else in a very
• 1:37:57
  functional white space suit. So you have to focus on the face
• 1:38:00
  now now that sort of rivers stories come to an end.
• 1:38:06
  Um, with the husbands of River Song.
• 1:38:09
  Although, I suppose not, if big finish have got anything to say
• 1:38:12
  about it, I was quite worried when I went back to rewatch,
• 1:38:17
  this about that thing. I think Toby haydock said in the
• 1:38:20
  very first episode of strictly that Moffat filled these
• 1:38:23
  episodes, with all these teasers of future Adventures between
• 1:38:27
  River and the doctor that we'd never thought, we'd see and we
• 1:38:31
  could just imagine we could just leave it up to our imaginations.
• 1:38:34
  So the crash of the Byzantium and whole armies turning and
• 1:38:38
  running away and there's a scene of the universe and the Knight
• 1:38:41
  on to really um and and just having that weird feeling of all
• 1:38:45
  these main dropped details being filled in all the secrets
• 1:38:48
  revealed all the questions up, questions answered in the years
• 1:38:51
  to come we ever get asked God No, no.
• 1:38:55
  Actually we do in spin off, Media.
• 1:38:56
  So somehow, yeah. So, if all these stories are
• 1:39:01
  books on a shelf, they all fit together like a sort of Jigsaw.
• 1:39:04
  So, where does that leave? What I, where does that lead?
• 1:39:08
  You really? What I didn't expect is that it
• 1:39:12
  brings this emotional charge where, you know what happens
• 1:39:17
  later or at least you know the shape that these future stories
• 1:39:21
  take and you get to that scene where where Kingston is is
• 1:39:26
  looking through her diary. Oh, crash of the Byzantium.
• 1:39:28
  Have we done that yet? Picnic as God, ringing any
• 1:39:31
  bells. and then she just stops talking and she looks at David
• 1:39:36
  Tennant and she sort of puts her hand on his face and she says
• 1:39:40
  Look at you. You're so young.
• 1:39:43
  And I had I choked up with that. I there's all this sort of
• 1:39:47
  contained emotion behind that line because even though the
• 1:39:51
  sort of timelines might not match up and the details might
• 1:39:53
  not be quite right what she says.
• 1:39:55
  Now makes sense how heartbreaking is it to sort of
• 1:39:59
  meet a doctor that doesn't recognize you?
• 1:40:01
  And how frustrating is it that he doesn't automatically trust
• 1:40:04
  you? I think now that really, really
• 1:40:07
  hits home because we know more about River today.
• 1:40:10
  We care about her or his I do. Refreshing, Daniel, all that
• 1:40:17
  sort of dismal tense, emotional drama during the Moffitt era.
• 1:40:21
  Finally, a payoff in this and there's an absolute emotional
• 1:40:25
  payoff to all of that River Song, bulshit he was early.
• 1:40:29
  I did. Well this is the proper Angela.
• 1:40:34
  I don't care what big finish says, about downloading another
• 1:40:37
  copy from her or whatever. So, and so speaking of endings,
• 1:40:41
  my final thing is I just love. That is what I call the second
• 1:40:47
  climax where you think it's over.
• 1:40:50
  And then it's not I'll talk about stories here.
• 1:40:53
  So lovely though, when I loved one sneaks up on you, So, I just
• 1:41:00
  love the fact that Moffat, essentially restarts the story,
• 1:41:03
  right? At the end of the story where
• 1:41:06
  the doctrine Donna turn around, they're about to leave the
• 1:41:08
  library, you know, come on next chapters this way and then the
• 1:41:12
  folk the camera sort of focuses in on Rivers, abandoned
• 1:41:16
  screwdriver that she's been going on about through the whole
• 1:41:18
  episode and her diary and you get the sort of chance for
• 1:41:22
  Chancellor flavius theme playing oh and that gentle voice over
• 1:41:28
  from Alex Kingston which you think is, you know, post mortem
• 1:41:32
  we're giving you all the familiar signals that this story
• 1:41:37
  is about come to an end, it sells it, doesn't it?
• 1:41:40
  That's it. Yeah, and it has this very sort
• 1:41:42
  of Ellie giant kind of valid valedictorian tone to it, that
• 1:41:48
  Moffat does again in stories like twice upon a time where he
• 1:41:51
  says my my testimony would shut all of you and very recently in
• 1:41:55
  boom where you know, everything's a beach eventually.
• 1:41:59
  So he's like he's trying to sum up life and death and Doctor Who
• 1:42:02
  and what Doctor Who means to him as like you know, this might be
• 1:42:06
  my final go at it. So I've got to Summit all up.
• 1:42:08
  Of course it wasn't but never more successful than here
• 1:42:12
  because you think the story is over.
• 1:42:14
  I don't know. It's not and David Tennant,
• 1:42:16
  races back and he grabs the screwdriver, and he rushes back
• 1:42:19
  through all the library locations that we've visited
• 1:42:21
  over the course of the story. Just so he can upload River, you
• 1:42:26
  know, to the data core and it's so exciting.
• 1:42:28
  You know, you and me what not run.
• 1:42:30
  And using every minute of minute of the screen time left to tell
• 1:42:34
  the story right up to the final moments where you see Donna's
• 1:42:38
  fake children and cowl have even been adopted by Riverhead
• 1:42:41
  Minnesota digital afterlife and he ends on that smiley image of
• 1:42:46
  Alex Kingston turning out the light, you know, sweet dreams.
• 1:42:50
  It's just perfect the fact that Moffat gives you that that he
• 1:42:55
  basically restores restarts the story again. just so he can give
• 1:42:59
  you another ending that's even more satisfying than the ending
• 1:43:02
  you've already had That's just genius.
• 1:43:04
  So put it aren't. I clever girl.
• 1:43:12
  So it's through from Daniel. So, Karen as well, established
• 1:43:16
  you are younger than Daniel, right?
• 1:43:18
  Like Alex, Kingston. Know, look, so let's start here.
• 1:43:24
  Like why didn't they give Paul Cornell a couple Grand and just
• 1:43:29
  have fucking beneath it instead? You know, maybe it would have
• 1:43:32
  been too much for the new, it all this wank with the new
• 1:43:35
  adventures and stuff. But beneath is maybe or I'm
• 1:43:38
  probably is because I'm a massive slut for Lisa Bowman,
• 1:43:40
  but she's just a lot better. Isn't she would, he would have
• 1:43:43
  spent the next four years systematically ruining Bernie
• 1:43:47
  Summerfield in the series, I don't care.
• 1:43:49
  That is Lisa bombing more work, imagine her and let's kill.
• 1:43:53
  Hitler was on that bike. Yeah, I can sell it.
• 1:43:58
  Oh, and never mind about that. That's, I mean, a really think
• 1:44:06
  the dialogue is what carries this.
• 1:44:07
  Because, like I said, the first episode after exploring the
• 1:44:11
  library, for about the first few minutes.
• 1:44:12
  It's just in that one room with the little shop.
• 1:44:14
  And, of course, they're safe, because it's a little shot.
• 1:44:19
  And yeah that's twist is in the very beginning as well.
• 1:44:21
  The books are alive, are reaching for it.
• 1:44:24
  The neverland on Sundays. A craft help with a kiss.
• 1:44:33
  Oh, did we just power cut? It's just so many great lines.
• 1:44:40
  I've been dieting that's one again.
• 1:44:47
  Like all the stuff with Evangelista and How she goes,
• 1:44:51
  and no one's treating. Her properly is like, oh they
• 1:44:53
  all think I'm stupid and you really care for her and are all
• 1:44:56
  laugh. And she gets fucking brutally
• 1:44:59
  Savage and it's just Go on the share.
• 1:45:04
  And you think fuck a lot of you for not listening to her?
• 1:45:08
  He just hate every single one of you think you're gonna have it
• 1:45:10
  coming, buddy, Shadows, ice cream, ice cream.
• 1:45:17
  Oh, that is such a heartbreaking thing.
• 1:45:23
  Tell the others. They're lonely laugh.
• 1:45:26
  And of course, is seeding it for the end with Sonic screwdrivers
• 1:45:30
  thing. Oh, I'm very clever. there's
• 1:45:34
  like you said the robot homes thing of Like that.
• 1:45:38
  I think it described them as the national artist dust and
• 1:45:41
  sunbeams you know it makes it so relatable like as a kid I
• 1:45:44
  remember yes. The next day looking at him like
• 1:45:47
  in that's gonna kill me. You know it's like A little bit,
• 1:45:52
  a little bit freaked out, still Shadows.
• 1:45:59
  You know, this is also where the doctor I think his myth.
• 1:46:03
  Begins really um, you know, Rivers constantly telling him
• 1:46:07
  you're not the doctor yet, you're not the doctor.
• 1:46:09
  I know, you know and at the end of the episode, I feel like it
• 1:46:12
  kind of reaches that point where it goes, look me up and he'll
• 1:46:16
  kind of retreat away. And okay, he's got those great
• 1:46:18
  doctor moments like he's hanging from the Like bridge is it?
• 1:46:24
  He's got a screwdriver and his mouth and he's going across
• 1:46:26
  things like fucking James Bond. It's like a throwaway moment,
• 1:46:31
  but it is, he was great. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:46:34
  In a hero where he's had so many of those agonizing speeches.
• 1:46:39
  I'm a Time Lord from California, speeches, that he gets that, but
• 1:46:44
  where he says, you're in the biggest library ever.
• 1:46:46
  Look me up, it's just the coolest version.
• 1:46:49
  That's Beach we have ever had this.
• 1:46:51
  Because yeah and that's Adam with the Legends this one, he
• 1:46:55
  first uses his fingers to click open this other stores.
• 1:46:57
  Why? Because he's fucking Doctor, Who
• 1:46:59
  Corsica? Oh no.
• 1:47:01
  Because River told him he could so that now that he knows that
• 1:47:05
  he can, he can do it. Yeah, I mean if should have
• 1:47:09
  started and ended here that was well It does go a bit far.
• 1:47:16
  That's scientifically. Remember that Cliffhanger of
• 1:47:20
  Donna Noble has been saved? That was genuinely the longest
• 1:47:26
  wait. For an episode of Doctor.
• 1:47:29
  I can remember I was clamoring to see the second part, you
• 1:47:32
  know, and it just got its hooks in me in such a such a strange
• 1:47:36
  way and terrified the life out of me.
• 1:47:38
  This ghoulish skeletons limp that they kind of shamble, don't
• 1:47:42
  they they're not it's something trying to figure out what's
• 1:47:45
  going on. Hey, who turned out the lights?
• 1:47:47
  Hey you turn out the lights and what the other ones they say we
• 1:47:52
  must go dog. One of my failings here, maybe
• 1:47:59
  it's just from English, let's just do is we're in a library, a
• 1:48:03
  planet-sized library. And there's not much to do with
• 1:48:07
  literature really, not even an Agatha Christie far away
• 1:48:10
  reference. We've had last week and I feel
• 1:48:12
  like we could have Had so many like one-off lines quote in
• 1:48:17
  certain books titles or author names and such like that would
• 1:48:20
  just all throwing certain books characters.
• 1:48:24
  I don't know, but he was Donna doesn't he says, oh, he don't
• 1:48:27
  look at the. Don't look at the books,
• 1:48:29
  spoilers. Yeah, but you know, we could
• 1:48:31
  have like got on a copy of War and Peace.
• 1:48:34
  Buying the doctor over the head with it.
• 1:48:35
  You know, just pull some comedy was that they says, in tooth and
• 1:48:38
  Claw books, best weapons in the world.
• 1:48:40
  Yeah. And the, have you read the
• 1:48:44
  Lawrence Mall script that you published after this.
• 1:48:47
  So he wrote A Doctor Who script for having no off this and I
• 1:48:52
  need you guys to tell me how good it, no, it shockingly bad
• 1:48:57
  like he's a novelist. Laura Smiles is an awful list
• 1:49:00
  and he writes a book or of the type you're talking about there
• 1:49:04
  where there's all kinds of references to stories and books
• 1:49:08
  and all that. And it's all very clever.
• 1:49:10
  And as a novel, you could explore what he's doing really.
• 1:49:13
  Well as a script, it's a bit dull as she is.
• 1:49:20
  Why hasn't this been adapted to a Target?
• 1:49:24
  This would be incredible, you know, you could do it in so many
• 1:49:27
  different perspectives. You can have his all from Rivers
• 1:49:30
  diary if you like, you can add more of those very.
• 1:49:32
  Yeah, you could do it all through Cal and have it as a
• 1:49:36
  weird meta fiction, you know, it's just got so many
• 1:49:40
  possibilities. Um, and it had to be quite a fat
• 1:49:44
  one. I mean I got the shy about like
• 1:49:48
  500 pages, so go for it but um yeah as much as I don't like
• 1:49:53
  Steven Moffat and his writing and I find it really annoying
• 1:49:56
  and I find Alex King's Kingston insufferable it's gonna have to
• 1:50:01
  go through, isn't it? It's just hooked to me.
• 1:50:03
  It's so it's still just gives me.
• 1:50:05
  It makes my skin crawl to this day and to make a quiet library.
• 1:50:11
  Absolutely mortifying is. A gangster and achievement.
• 1:50:17
  So I'll be an idiot to not. Put it genius.
• 1:50:20
  I think we've got a quote from Stephen Moffitt here.
• 1:50:23
  Well, of course, I'm delighted to have my story.
• 1:50:26
  Thank you very much Kieran. He's in the room and all these
• 1:50:35
  terrible squash and slightly. Well, it is time for you to get
• 1:50:42
  involved. Lee and three for three at the
• 1:50:44
  minute. Are you gonna make it fall
• 1:50:44
  before? Well, who am I to go against the
• 1:50:47
  general consensus and disagree with Daniel and Jessica Kieran.
• 1:50:51
  And despite in the last round to Fourth You this channel.
• 1:51:25
  It sounds like some of you would do.
• 1:51:26
  Yeah. Well you know spoilers, but
• 1:51:30
  first point moffett's finest moment part two after they're
• 1:51:36
  gonna be successive blink in the previous series, I put it to the
• 1:51:39
  panel that Stephen moffett's finest for conductor who can be
• 1:51:43
  found in any series he hasn't shown running.
• 1:51:46
  That's not to say I'm trash in this, nothing Capaldi years by
• 1:51:48
  the way, which I love. But something that is she a
• 1:51:51
  quality of Silence in the library force of the day?
• 1:51:54
  Just shows, what is he can reach if he's not the concentrate and
• 1:51:57
  spin on all the place at the same time?
• 1:52:00
  That's the story Uzis class. We've got the well shows and
• 1:52:03
  locations where despite the enormity of them, give the
• 1:52:07
  impression of a Dusty old library.
• 1:52:08
  We've got a simple yet, effective villain in the fashion
• 1:52:12
  on Radha, never shown as a form or indeed an action.
• 1:52:15
  They made scary by the power of suggestion alone. when we see
• 1:52:19
  the aftermath of the crimes and their impact and it's so much
• 1:52:23
  stronger for it and whether we find the vast than another in
• 1:52:26
  the shadows, Simple everyday thing that's in all of our
• 1:52:30
  Lives. They can Harbor the most
• 1:52:31
  terrible things. He's done it before and he'll do
• 1:52:35
  it again. Moffett's got a real skill for
• 1:52:37
  taking something and an Oculus and commonplace and turning it
• 1:52:40
  into this stuff of the nightmares.
• 1:52:41
  Something that will cause any kids watching.
• 1:52:43
  Like kieran's just as a doctor who might be a few?
• 1:52:48
  Yes, more than one, there's a revelation.
• 1:52:53
  Entire library is a sentient entity powered by the ghost of a
• 1:52:56
  little girl. Powerful enough to back up and
• 1:52:59
  save, countless lives all being watched over by an anti-virus
• 1:53:02
  Moon that will one day going to be the landlord of the queen
• 1:53:05
  Vic. Don't get out of here.
• 1:53:07
  I need ideas themes and story and a satisfying hole, giving
• 1:53:16
  one of the Russell TVs famous stories, so that's point.
• 1:53:20
  One point two are Runs Through It.
• 1:53:23
  Well, interested in the story to the one and only Professor
• 1:53:27
  Reverse song, shut it, you spoilers.
• 1:53:32
  But I got this what you make of the character Alice, Kingston's
• 1:53:36
  to talk trail of her. He simply cannot argue against
• 1:53:40
  just how Daft and brilliantly. Naughty this introduction to a
• 1:53:44
  timeline as It works on two fronts as we and the doctor May
• 1:53:48
  are here for the first time, she's a true Enigma.
• 1:53:50
  She knows the doctor. And this is a final day with
• 1:53:53
  him. The doctors never met her
• 1:53:55
  before, and this is just the beginning of the story for him
• 1:53:58
  and us. Here, there's a mystery of who
• 1:54:01
  she is. She also a Time Lord gives you
• 1:54:03
  even be Susan. Hero switching with someone
• 1:54:06
  always Susan, isn't it always gonna be father, it's you the
• 1:54:12
  Ronnie really and that fucking I wouldn't put past Tennant doctor
• 1:54:27
  But I was pitching was so much of the secrets of the doctor
• 1:54:29
  that he closely guards as we go on the piece together, a story
• 1:54:33
  in reverse, even though, we know already know the start, sorry,
• 1:54:37
  and the importance of the relationship in the story.
• 1:54:40
  It's a great concept for a character that carries over
• 1:54:42
  several years and still feel satisfying.
• 1:54:45
  Even after we see what's to come play out, I put it to the panel,
• 1:54:49
  the reverse song was one of Doctor.
• 1:54:50
  Who is greatest characters? A mystery reptile aiming
• 1:54:55
  wrapping puzzle box waiting for his latest to be unlocked, only
• 1:54:59
  for your ultimate because it back to killer and Marvel at the
• 1:55:02
  craft that's going into it. Greatest.
• 1:55:04
  I mean not say she Stark and she was memorable.
• 1:55:08
  Maybe not great. If that's the panel has two
• 1:55:14
  words in response to that. Spoke off at sports, I was a
• 1:55:21
  state and so old battle at that point I'm going to explain to my
• 1:55:24
  final one psychic. Stevie Moffitt as a final point.
• 1:55:28
  They just how clever a writer. Stephen Murphy is, we see, in
• 1:55:31
  silence in the library is stunning ability to see into the
• 1:55:34
  future, who else could have confidently?
• 1:55:37
  Predicted that the actor playing Miss evangelists there.
• 1:55:39
  But herself. One day in real life, find
• 1:55:42
  yourself entwined in the assignation of an evil entity
• 1:55:45
  who takes great joy and stripping things back to the
• 1:55:47
  Bare Bones about other costs to human life.
• 1:55:49
  Oh wait, she was married to Elon Musk.
• 1:55:52
  Was it? Oh, she's beautiful.
• 1:56:02
  She's yeah. That's definitely.
• 1:56:04
  The first photo removed with a cute one buys it first, doesn't
• 1:56:06
  it? Like the first one ago?
• 1:56:09
  But if I get sequel to The National Army of driverless cars
• 1:56:14
  at flames and endangering the occupants, all of the backing of
• 1:56:17
  a fake time, businessman, we all know, for sure.
• 1:56:21
  Silence in the season. It's Fantastic Four.
• 1:56:27
  Oh bro, fossa I love your rhino, what we need like special music
• 1:56:33
  under it or something. Oh waiting hours for Fraser to
• 1:56:37
  come in and take a massive dump on it and we'd be complete.
• 1:56:40
  Yeah. Well, here we go.
• 1:56:41
  That's the fourth year then if I must, I mean, who am I the dog?
• 1:56:45
  You with lee. Oh everyone and obviously I am
• 1:56:51
  me. So we'll see opposite of
• 1:56:53
  champion of the Damned like shit on the classics or something.
• 1:56:57
  Yeah, just over the love. There we go.
• 1:56:59
  I still am. I mean A lot has been said about
• 1:57:03
  how this is. This is moffat's, best script
• 1:57:05
  for RTD, and that's what looks. And there were three RTD Eva,
• 1:57:14
  Moffat stories better than this. And I think this is, he's
• 1:57:18
  probably he's with this one. I think, the reason being that
• 1:57:21
  it is And it kind of goes back to what I've seen in the first
• 1:57:24
  half of the Season. It just feels steel if he was
• 1:57:27
  like we're not actually getting much new.
• 1:57:30
  In this story. And it's it's very Moffitt by
• 1:57:34
  numbers. So we can't actually play
• 1:57:36
  Moffat. Bingo, should you want to?
• 1:57:38
  And let's see. There is no, isn't there?
• 1:57:42
  Yes. The astronauts the the ending up
• 1:57:45
  in one place and started with another.
• 1:57:48
  Yeah yes. So it's already mentioned we've
• 1:57:51
  got them the ordinary made scary.
• 1:57:53
  So you know instead of making a scared of, you know, Little.
• 1:58:00
  Second world war you were boys or and Clockwork clocks or you
• 1:58:05
  know statues statues of angels. He's now wanting to scared of
• 1:58:08
  dust in sunbeams and it's very tiny way me.
• 1:58:13
  Isn't it? What?
• 1:58:14
  With the doctor meeting River out of order and which, which
• 1:58:20
  Essentially, when that's why it's not Benny because you can't
• 1:58:24
  have that trick with Benny know, you can't.
• 1:58:26
  But Yeah, that's what was it point?
• 1:58:29
  It's just quiet. Yeah, yeah, understand why you
• 1:58:31
  would want Benny here but you know, it wouldn't fit the story
• 1:58:34
  that moffett's trying to tell which is of this character that
• 1:58:38
  meets the doctor for the last time as he meet her for the
• 1:58:41
  first awesome needs to go back and Destroy his copy of the time
• 1:58:46
  travel as well. I have heard that said, more
• 1:58:48
  than once and Mr. Ford says he needs to have a wanker before he
• 1:58:52
  writes, but you know, and speak Mr. Ford his one of his most
• 1:58:56
  favorite Moffat tropes is front and center here which is the
• 1:59:00
  brood of the Damned. We have children, we have not
• 1:59:03
  very good child actors which you know, I'm not gonna It's the
• 1:59:07
  computer's full. It's amazing.
• 1:59:09
  I'm not gonna criticize the child that's because, you know,
• 1:59:14
  the their children doing something that's really
• 1:59:16
  difficult that I can't do. So, let's Mommy.
• 1:59:19
  It's weird. It's like, when you're not here,
• 1:59:22
  we're not here. It's quite Posh like that kid,
• 1:59:25
  isn't he? Just this once.
• 1:59:29
  Everyone lives. Oh, Heaven, sick, he can't do
• 1:59:36
  it. It's Connie.
• 1:59:37
  Not impossible, man. He just can't give in Bit of a
• 1:59:42
  self insert them off with. Everybody knows that everybody
• 1:59:46
  died. Nobody knows.
• 1:59:48
  It quite like Steven, Moffat, but I do think that all the
• 1:59:52
  Skies of all the worlds, might just turn dark.
• 1:59:55
  If he ever for just one moment, except it.
• 1:59:58
  Oh, beautiful, someday is a special Some days are so, so
• 2:00:05
  blessed. Somedays, nobody dies at all.
• 2:00:10
  Oh, every other fucking story that Steven Moffitt, right?
• 2:00:14
  So we've got all the truth. We've got stuff that we've
• 2:00:19
  already seen three times before. In the story, we then get stuff
• 2:00:23
  and I know shouldn't be doing this, but they were then get
• 2:00:25
  stuff that we are going to see time and time and time again.
• 2:00:29
  You then Fraser What's rather build that massive hole blown in
• 2:00:34
  her we kept her dead or the car. I'd faced The Raven and just
• 2:00:39
  died. Yeah.
• 2:00:40
  I mean Want one of the other, you know, let's not just do the
• 2:00:45
  same thing to use running but and Casual ableism sneaks into a
• 2:00:50
  lot. I'm off its work.
• 2:00:51
  Here we have Donna mockingly stutter which doesn't sit well
• 2:00:56
  with me and the fucking guy I think a bit flirty really.
• 2:01:02
  It's not like mallets, it's not but it's played for Laughs.
• 2:01:05
  Hmm, that isn't it as I listened as far as out of that chair
• 2:01:10
  though. It's not you know it's it creeps
• 2:01:12
  in its like the Stevie Wonder joke in good man goes to war you
• 2:01:16
  know it's there as a casual bit of ableism.
• 2:01:20
  And what else do we have? We have monsters using corpses
• 2:01:24
  to speak which will say in the very next and River Song story
• 2:01:28
  in two years time and the doctor was myth has been mentioned you
• 2:01:32
  know. Yes this is the start of You
• 2:01:36
  know, the doctor being someone who is Fiat and regarded
• 2:01:41
  throughout the universe as opposed to just the guy who
• 2:01:44
  turns up and sought shit out. And of course, River.
• 2:01:49
  Fucking song. Oh yeah you know where I stand?
• 2:01:54
  Everyone should know just tell us she is not not a favorite of
• 2:02:00
  mine whatsoever in the slightly many I like her in this and I
• 2:02:08
  like it. Yeah, she gets so overused and
• 2:02:13
  becomes so small and annoying, which reaches its nadir in, and
• 2:02:19
  he's got almost like its peak. Praise.
• 2:02:22
  Yes, it's peaky, wonkiness in, let's kill, hitting us.
• 2:02:26
  So, cast your minds back gentlemen, when I discuss, let's
• 2:02:29
  kill. Hit that on the season. 6
• 2:02:30
  Strictly Come hamster. What did I say?
• 2:02:32
  Take off your clothes. Oh no, she says that.
• 2:02:35
  Sorry. No that's what Joe says.
• 2:02:37
  He was going to a gay bar mitzvah.
• 2:02:40
  Of course. If you watch, let's kill Hitler
• 2:02:45
  with silence and that I've been for the dead.
• 2:02:49
  It makes sense. It makes perfect sense that when
• 2:02:53
  River Song meets the doctor for the first time, she is a
• 2:02:57
  complete annoying fucking smoggers, tits, awesome.
• 2:03:00
  And her experience with the doctor makes her a better
• 2:03:04
  character and mellow out. So it gets to the point where
• 2:03:08
  when you watch it in this Storey, she's actually quite
• 2:03:10
  enjoyable. Oh, she's marvelous in this
• 2:03:12
  doesn't shame. A lot of its don't work.
• 2:03:14
  Kingston But a lot of is also down that right in the
• 2:03:18
  performance is so, so turned down, even when next time, I
• 2:03:21
  say, even when you come to flesh of the Angels, a time of stone
• 2:03:25
  or whatever it's called, oh yes. And then, let me doctor.
• 2:03:29
  Oh God. It's all a cringe.
• 2:03:32
  But here, she's actually playing it so well.
• 2:03:35
  Daniel like you said, you know, the scene where she just looks
• 2:03:37
  in his eyes and goes, you are so young.
• 2:03:39
  It's brilliant. How friter it's a bit where she
• 2:03:42
  goes on her deathbed? You watch us run.
• 2:03:45
  Oh, and ultimately, that's what we come down to because You
• 2:03:52
  know, this, this is still a Stephen moffatt story and Steven
• 2:03:55
  Moffat by numbers Steven Moffat run and maybe he's, you know,
• 2:03:58
  50% 75 percent capacity is still a fucking great right now.
• 2:04:04
  He is the best, right? We have heard in this Shore?
• 2:04:06
  Yeah. Oh, we've had right for Dr. Who
• 2:04:14
  this Century? So even when he's not even when
• 2:04:18
  he's you know just repeating the same thing, it's still a
• 2:04:22
  fantastic watch. You know that dialogue that is
• 2:04:25
  of all quoted and spoke about is is brilliant.
• 2:04:27
  There was lines that I've read out their form that end bit and
• 2:04:31
  it's sheer poetry it really is that rug pull of the end, the
• 2:04:36
  second climax that we all love so much, it's it really works
• 2:04:40
  because you get to that point You get that point where the
• 2:04:44
  cameras just zooming in and even re-watching it knowing what
• 2:04:49
  happened. I don't care.
• 2:04:51
  I know exactly where this is going.
• 2:04:53
  I know this is just going to be and everyone knows just this
• 2:04:56
  fucking one. Oh that music price are you know
• 2:05:03
  going back that you know when and the doctor's chained up and
• 2:05:07
  river is in the chair and she's giving them up.
• 2:05:10
  You know, you know, you turned up on my doorstep within a new
• 2:05:14
  suits and we spent the night and you know yeah absolutely Swept
• 2:05:19
  Away. Watch us what I mean.
• 2:05:21
  It's just it's brilliant and I want knowing he has to reset her
• 2:05:24
  after this a maker. So irritating and I think yeah.
• 2:05:28
  Really it bought like I said in the context, when you look at
• 2:05:31
  the context it does make sense that she spends less time with
• 2:05:36
  the doctor. She is more of an awful.
• 2:05:38
  So I think one of the other things that really struck me in
• 2:05:43
  that, it's all in the end. It's all in the end where this
• 2:05:47
  one wins for me it's like there you go.
• 2:05:49
  Mr. TVs. That's how you do an end and
• 2:05:52
  there's any right but not only. It's that scene with the doctor
• 2:06:00
  and Donna. At the end where, you know, the
• 2:06:04
  doctor is wounded Intel, but it's just the way that Donna
• 2:06:09
  turns Jones says, are you all right?
• 2:06:10
  And he's like, yeah, absolutely fine as he does. and then she's
• 2:06:14
  like, Is that special time lord called for not?
• 2:06:17
  All right at all, because I'm exactly the same and I just
• 2:06:20
  think that is the perfect. And summation of the doctor and
• 2:06:26
  Donna's relationship. It's not flirty, it's not
• 2:06:28
  sexual, it's not romantic. It is just two friends comfort
• 2:06:32
  in each other. The way that friends do and and
• 2:06:35
  it's friendship. It's pure friendship there.
• 2:06:38
  Yeah, well and Donna. Is that friend?
• 2:06:40
  Who will actually ask who actually go one further?
• 2:06:42
  He'll say, you know, you're right, I'm always right.
• 2:06:45
  And he's, you know, and then she goes further, they have a
• 2:06:48
  similar scene in the girl in the fireplace where Rose says,
• 2:06:51
  you're right. And he said, I'm always alright
• 2:06:53
  and they leave it there. He can't make that, she can't.
• 2:06:56
  Yeah, don't ask him, he can't plug up the courage to ask him
• 2:06:59
  where Donna will do that? All I always suggested
• 2:07:02
  performers, it's trumped in the next scene, where he's their,
• 2:07:07
  drumming his fingers on the book and he's giving her this song
• 2:07:10
  Wild look. And he goes, you know what, we
• 2:07:13
  could take a look and she just looks at him because Spoilers.
• 2:07:17
  Yeah, they're just so in tune with each other at this point
• 2:07:20
  it's just perfect and then you know it just it's just wrapped
• 2:07:24
  up with Click the fingers, open in the tallest.
• 2:07:29
  Yeah it's it really is good. You know, it's not it's best
• 2:07:32
  script at all is Um, for RTD it's not the others are better,
• 2:07:37
  but we're not talking about those this one.
• 2:07:39
  I'm putting through as well for five Jason Thompson.
• 2:07:45
  We would have had a full house as always one.
• 2:07:49
  That's funny. You say how much of an asshole
• 2:07:52
  river is because the original name for this story was a river
• 2:07:56
  song ending. So if you just look at the
• 2:07:59
  initials of that word. Oh yeah.
• 2:08:02
  See so clever, right. I think we need to change that.
• 2:08:10
  oh, one line of God's mention and Watch you have Hancock's
• 2:08:17
  spoilers spoilers. Oh, wonderful.
• 2:08:22
  So, two stories in and surprise. Both of went through.
• 2:08:28
  Yeah, let's see if we can make it three for three as we once
• 2:08:32
  again, spin spin. Spin the wheels.
• 2:08:35
  Just see how fast the Buster turns and it's me.
• 2:08:39
  Wonderful. Right.
• 2:08:41
  So good grief, what am I gonna pick?
• 2:08:44
  Let me think. I am going to go with the story,
• 2:08:48
  which really disappointed me on my rewatch and the one I'm going
• 2:08:53
  to put in the bin. Drum roll.
• 2:08:55
  Take away your champion of the Damned tile.
• 2:08:58
  You know, you become so grumpy these days.
• 2:09:00
  Oh, well, let's see. So who wants to guess?
• 2:09:04
  Which story that is oh, you call on the wall unicorn in the
• 2:09:08
  walls? Yes, he does.
• 2:09:10
  A lot of us. Well, go.
• 2:09:16
  What did dominators go up? That is funny.
• 2:09:19
  Yes. So why was this disappointment?
• 2:09:25
  Because I did watch it and I thought, you know, come on then,
• 2:09:28
  let's get this on. Let's get the champion of the
• 2:09:30
  champion of the damn juices going did, it is not banned,
• 2:09:35
  this episode is not that. Well, it is gonna be in a
• 2:09:39
  minute. So, and I mean it's not really,
• 2:09:41
  well, it was really great fun, you know, out on the lawn,
• 2:09:44
  there's drinks, you know, there's proper Agatha, Christie
• 2:09:48
  Vibes going on. There's period cars, you know,
• 2:09:51
  Graham hot bus, got these, come out, and he's shooting down and
• 2:09:53
  driveways and there's aristocracy and there's people
• 2:09:57
  getting murdered and in all of this stuff.
• 2:10:00
  And it's not nice, murder mystery stuff going on in a
• 2:10:04
  doctor who study because it's like, it's not proper murdered.
• 2:10:09
  Some big for God of wasp and The the fun of it is really fun and
• 2:10:16
  there's some really nice bits and that flashback scene where
• 2:10:19
  he has a flashback within his flashback was was really
• 2:10:23
  entertaining. But by the time I got towards
• 2:10:28
  the end, I'll just kind of thought.
• 2:10:31
  This has got nothing to it. Whatsoever.
• 2:10:34
  It is just all candy floss and yeah well I'll just really wish
• 2:10:41
  it was written by someone else. That we am now.
• 2:10:45
  It's a memoir. Now I'm not gonna call me at the
• 2:10:52
  slag off, Gareth Roberts and Gareth Roberts and yes he has
• 2:10:55
  got some views which do not align with me, it's got several
• 2:10:59
  views which do not align with mine and but You know, that's
• 2:11:03
  not the reason why I don't want Gareth Roberts to have written
• 2:11:07
  this story, I think. Or the writers could have done a
• 2:11:10
  better job with this and there was absolutely no Panache with
• 2:11:16
  this. It is Is.
• 2:11:21
  Unsal is anything that was written.
• 2:11:25
  It is pastiche. Thicker than a boxing day to
• 2:11:32
  laid on throughout this story. I mean, the very opening is
• 2:11:38
  Professor Peach. In the library, with the lead
• 2:11:41
  piping. It's absolutely.
• 2:11:51
  Yo, barking, mad. I'm barking.
• 2:11:54
  My according to my dog, what wolfing about Eastside?
• 2:11:59
  but yeah, it's just it's all it's no, there's no style,
• 2:12:04
  there's no substance to it. It's you know, it's is Blatant
• 2:12:11
  is, is having the doctor run up to a closet?
• 2:12:13
  The gate character and show ginger beer, right in his face?
• 2:12:17
  I thank your pardon. Thanks. and if you gonna do
• 2:12:21
  pastiche, if you are going to do a story about pasty, who was the
• 2:12:25
  master of Pastiche in Doctor, Who, Like Gators exactly what
• 2:12:29
  would mark? It still with the story, he
• 2:12:31
  wouldn't give it a single funny line that's a comedy, right?
• 2:12:35
  You've made his name right in a comedy show.
• 2:12:38
  He what happened with Doctor Who then he would Give this.
• 2:12:44
  The depth and hot that needs he would take.
• 2:12:49
  I got that Christie and he would do something with her.
• 2:12:52
  What does Roberts actually do with a Christy aiming for that?
• 2:12:57
  Aiming to do a paste of a murder mystery.
• 2:12:59
  That's funny light and bubbly before the season gets dark.
• 2:13:02
  He's not aiming to do anything deeper than that, why not?
• 2:13:06
  But this is a point in the season where we need a fucking
• 2:13:10
  laugh, it's just lost his door. We need something a bit more.
• 2:13:15
  It's just, it's, it's that dial of light entertainment and
• 2:13:19
  drama, which was so finely tuned and fires of Pompeii.
• 2:13:21
  Has just been reached all the way that I entertainment.
• 2:13:25
  When you consider the week beforehand, we had something
• 2:13:28
  late and entertainment but it had a message, it had heart.
• 2:13:30
  Oh, yeah, but it's a waste of Agatha Christie essentially.
• 2:13:36
  Agatha Christie is. Just in there for no good
• 2:13:41
  reason. It's Agatha Christie.
• 2:13:43
  So obviously she must be able to solve the crime.
• 2:13:45
  Why? It's like, well, you watch a
• 2:13:49
  story with Agatha Christie in it because he's gonna be a doctor
• 2:13:52
  who you'd want to solve the crime by Agatha Christie's about
• 2:13:56
  imagination. So by Agatha Christie very neat.
• 2:13:59
  Why why it's it's like, if you had a Doctor Who episode with G
• 2:14:03
  or told you in, would you expect them to pick up above?
• 2:14:06
  And I would stop fighting Orcs in it?
• 2:14:10
  Would you expect it to be a Christmas with ghosts maybe
• 2:14:13
  speaking? Yes, exactly.
• 2:14:16
  Saves the Day mostly I would actually like to say, you know,
• 2:14:23
  defeat the aliens with fly fishing.
• 2:14:25
  So I just think, you know this plot just runs out, completely
• 2:14:31
  at the end, we'll have this Perfect golden opportunity to do
• 2:14:35
  something with Agatha Christie's, misin 10 days, but
• 2:14:38
  the whole reason that she has missed 10 missing days is
• 2:14:42
  because someone somewhere had a necklace that connected to a
• 2:14:45
  wasp that thought of Agatha Christie.
• 2:14:46
  I mean, what Agatha Christie fan murdering people because they
• 2:14:53
  love our Agatha Christie so much.
• 2:14:55
  If only had been written by the ultimate Agatha, Christie fan,
• 2:14:58
  someone that actually got the Christie and could actually put
• 2:15:01
  some in it rather than just two doesn't name names of Arthur
• 2:15:06
  Christie books. It's a missed opportunity.
• 2:15:09
  It really is. I mean mistake.
• 2:15:14
  Do something very crooked house. If you look in the Christie's,
• 2:15:24
  missing 10 days, the first thing you notice is she went missing
• 2:15:27
  on the 3rd of December. Not in the middle of summer
• 2:15:31
  where this is set. The rage from the start.
• 2:15:33
  You know, you can tell this is just never been known to be
• 2:15:36
  historically accurate. It wasn't a giant was going
• 2:15:39
  about as well, but you know, you will see.
• 2:15:42
  There's levels, isn't this levels of act?
• 2:15:45
  You see what I'm seeing is, it's, it's not written by the
• 2:15:48
  right person. I think there is again another
• 2:15:50
  writer out there, who could take this sort of mash up of sales of
• 2:15:55
  Doctor, Who mush it up with Agatha Christie, and still keep
• 2:15:59
  that absolute Bonkers insane. Vibe to it, who am I talking
• 2:16:04
  about? Russell TVs?
• 2:16:06
  Nope, he wrote it did right there.
• 2:16:09
  Oh yeah, please now you are talking here in the minute is
• 2:16:15
  right and Doctor Who Books, where the Martian up different
• 2:16:20
  styles ohms. So I made nothing right
• 2:16:25
  anything, but exactly, I think one of the biggest two big
• 2:16:28
  cranes in modern Doctor Who won. Is that to be here?
• 2:16:31
  Looks never had a rule in the show two Paul Moss has never
• 2:16:35
  been an episode. So now I'm still time.
• 2:16:38
  Now, I'm sitting watching this. You know, thinking well this is
• 2:16:41
  this is will be what what's this end and I don't know what's
• 2:16:44
  going on here. Why can't someone who can do a
• 2:16:47
  proper plot who can Mash things together properly?
• 2:16:50
  Right? And, you know, give some good
• 2:16:52
  laughs. Why haven't they witness?
• 2:16:53
  Why is Paul Watson I've written this?
• 2:16:54
  Now we're thinking of the polemaster version of the story
• 2:16:57
  and I'm just disappointed. I'm disappointed in what class
• 2:17:00
  is a novelist and that's where his strengths lie.
• 2:17:03
  And he would write a brilliant mashup of Christy, but it has a
• 2:17:06
  novel. I don't know that he would do a
• 2:17:08
  better job as a script and he's got 45 minutes to do it.
• 2:17:10
  And you've got to do a murder mystery and you've got to do all
• 2:17:13
  these other things, I just don't think there's a time to give
• 2:17:16
  him. He can do on big finish.
• 2:17:19
  Yeah, the only thing we can conclusion we can come here is
• 2:17:22
  Fraser sanity and then there was none.
• 2:17:27
  That's cheap. Well, I'm glad you didn't use
• 2:17:29
  the original title for that one. Now, for more sort of Rusty
• 2:17:35
  Davis. Yeah, so because it could have
• 2:17:38
  been better. It could have been a lot better
• 2:17:40
  than what I'd actually is. I am not going to put this one
• 2:17:42
  to this evening and yeah. So, let's see if anyone agrees
• 2:17:50
  with me. Some do some do In the comments.
• 2:17:54
  Like our first. Yes, you will first, okay?
• 2:17:56
  I despicable. Michael storm says it's bad and
• 2:18:02
  very smugly written the writer clearly things is a lot cleverer
• 2:18:05
  than it actually. Is, it feels like it's not quite
• 2:18:08
  top of the class. Sorry, it feels like the not
• 2:18:11
  quite top of the class student, trying to show a teacher how
• 2:18:14
  smart he is. Aren't I clever clumsily fitting
• 2:18:17
  Christie books titles into the dialogue, well why don't you
• 2:18:20
  ever go and try and write their Michael?
• 2:18:22
  Oh, sorry, various elements of the plot don't really work.
• 2:18:25
  The titular unicorn ultimately has sold to do with the plot.
• 2:18:28
  We get casual ableism with Christopher Benjamin's
• 2:18:31
  character. Oh, and that nonsense with the
• 2:18:33
  book covers, abysmal bin nightmare in silver, Michael
• 2:18:38
  nightmare. Well, speaking of Agatha book
• 2:18:41
  Agatha, Christie book titles, I mean Michael storm is Joe's and
• 2:18:45
  nemesis. How many more can we get, right?
• 2:18:53
  Oscar Groucho sundressed, cut away from bodily solidifying,
• 2:18:57
  our leads in the tool of the show, in his Imperial phase,
• 2:19:01
  astonishing cast and all be worth leading.
• 2:19:04
  The peace summary in December end of term feel.
• 2:19:10
  One of DT best wonderful Oscar. Daniel Noah silly, but fun.
• 2:19:15
  It's well cast and looks gorgeous On a par with a lot of
• 2:19:18
  Christian adaptations. The shoe horny of titles gets
• 2:19:21
  tiresome and Donna's a bit louder, and Jim in this.
• 2:19:24
  It's compared to the doctor's daughter, possibly because this
• 2:19:27
  is one of the First episodes filmed Maybe.
• 2:19:31
  I'll agree with that. Poor Cresta says, it's a really
• 2:19:33
  fun story with the doctor and Donna Dynamic of two mates, just
• 2:19:36
  having a really good time, it's best.
• 2:19:38
  It also has a great cast and looks lovely Spider-Man. 72 one
• 2:19:43
  of my go-to come for episodes if I need cheering up.
• 2:19:46
  Oh I'm sorry. Paul Queen Paul.
• 2:19:53
  What clever man, a queen. Another self-congratulatory
• 2:20:00
  literally Pastiche. Fortunately, this is the last
• 2:20:03
  example of this smug lazy, subgenre extra content for all
• 2:20:08
  that nonsense about Christie. Harvey remembering the giant
• 2:20:11
  wasp while tenant flaps about, with the Fontana paperback of
• 2:20:15
  death in the clouds. Idiots, that's the only manager
• 2:20:20
  who founded was more than you. That's two smugs.
• 2:20:25
  We've had. Is that just like a substitute
• 2:20:28
  for? I did find it funny.
• 2:20:29
  I think it you're right there actually.
• 2:20:31
  Yeah oh you're right Tim Carter great story what?
• 2:20:35
  Oh Paul Smyth says a fantastic Murder Mystery episode hilarious
• 2:20:40
  and Whimsical. What's not to love Fraser even
• 2:20:44
  said Fraser you did I tell you what?
• 2:20:47
  I don't know about this as well. Donna, kiss in the doctor.
• 2:20:53
  He's the best kissing gag. What had six episodes?
• 2:21:00
  Stressing? How much the doctor?
• 2:21:03
  And Donna, just friends. That's what works as a joke
• 2:21:06
  because it's so unexpected. It's like, my friend would never
• 2:21:09
  do that, you know, it's just you know, why?
• 2:21:12
  Why do we always have to have the compounding?
• 2:21:14
  Because the doctor one, I remember this annoying is that
• 2:21:17
  because it winds you up for you in the next season?
• 2:21:23
  That's she fucks husband. You know, it's very morally
• 2:21:29
  ambiguous character. It's just, it's tiresome by this
• 2:21:32
  point. I remember this at the time,
• 2:21:34
  just thinking this is really Tyson, just stop, you know,
• 2:21:37
  we've spent half the series stressing how much off and oh, I
• 2:21:40
  was just couldn't look at this now.
• 2:21:41
  Anyhow, where was people say, the doctor who is taller?
• 2:21:45
  So I just think maybe it's not for you anymore.
• 2:21:46
  I don't think it's awesome. I'll just maybe you just got all
• 2:21:50
  of it. Anyway, shorter.
• 2:21:53
  It is tip, Carter. Great story, tenant, and Ted
• 2:21:56
  show. What?
• 2:21:56
  A really great team. They make the comedy isn't
• 2:21:59
  overdone, and the whole story is a great palette cleanser for the
• 2:22:02
  rest of the season. Kieran Evans is very unsure
• 2:22:06
  about how he feels just doesn't do much for me.
• 2:22:08
  I thought I why The basic things.
• 2:22:12
  Thank you for your comment here. Clever story that takes a page
• 2:22:24
  from the biography of Agatha Christie and puts a doctor who
• 2:22:26
  spit on it. The doctor and Donna, such a
• 2:22:28
  great team. And it shows here an underrated
• 2:22:31
  Jen because it is surrounded by other fan.
• 2:22:34
  Favorite Giants. Keep it.
• 2:22:37
  Shut on Old the last of the mid-season.
• 2:22:40
  Tap it drowns. The child with the leaves by
• 2:22:42
  making the bread bleed. So Satisfied and substitute Winx
• 2:22:47
  to Christy titles for wit glorious cars.
• 2:22:50
  So it is a glorious cast. I will remember that you know
• 2:22:55
  bonus, David Gillespie Pratt. The unicorn and the WASP is
• 2:23:03
  silly fun, though. The shoehorning in of Christy
• 2:23:06
  bukit titles gets a bit boring by the end.
• 2:23:08
  I'll tell you, what else? Got really born by the end.
• 2:23:10
  It was you Colonel. That was you?
• 2:23:14
  Oh you Frazer Gregory? Yeah so we did.
• 2:23:18
  Do it did it. It was like Oh and by then as
• 2:23:22
  well and oh were you done? You know.
• 2:23:24
  Okay Catherine Tate continues to shine and is this season's
• 2:23:28
  absolute highlight. Oh, so pleased, I got this one.
• 2:23:31
  James Lark, the grumpiest. Oldest man in Doctor Who found
• 2:23:35
  him the review for the stage described.
• 2:23:38
  The unicorn on the WASP as the best edition of the show since
• 2:23:42
  its 1963 beginning. And I still can't get my head
• 2:23:46
  around. How someone could be quite so
• 2:23:47
  staggeringly wrong and do it for a living.
• 2:23:50
  I have lived through this trust as prime minister, it's
• 2:23:54
  insufferable obviously, so smugly Whimsical so proud of its
• 2:23:59
  own cleverness. That it doesn't even bother
• 2:24:01
  being clever complacent. Dross.
• 2:24:05
  Oh, James, I don't know. He's great.
• 2:24:10
  Oh, we should get let us know. See how if we can get this
• 2:24:17
  podcast done before the lettuce wilts Snapchats?
• 2:24:19
  Anyhow, moving on. Someone that does know how to
• 2:24:22
  have fun is Nathan bottomley, who says Gareth Roberts is a
• 2:24:26
  real piece of shit. That's why But the unicorn and
• 2:24:32
  the WASP is funny and delightful with great comic performances
• 2:24:35
  from Felicity. Kendall.
• 2:24:36
  Christopher, Benjamin Felicity, Jones and Catherine Tate.
• 2:24:39
  It's wonderful seeing Graham Harper direct comedy.
• 2:24:42
  So deftly is so deaf. Well, we'll get there Paul
• 2:24:46
  Harper. It's a fun enough Pastiche, and
• 2:24:48
  it looks great. But by this point, they're
• 2:24:50
  selecting their celebrity historical.
• 2:24:52
  Trope, is starting to wear a little thin, Michael Parsons one
• 2:24:58
  of the most rewatchable episodes of new who gloriously silly fun,
• 2:25:01
  but affecting when it needs to be Mattingly.
• 2:25:04
  Nobody, the unicorn. And the WASP is a clever take on
• 2:25:06
  Christie Strokes with wonderful. Performers is all round and her
• 2:25:09
  Library scattered through. The dialogue is a shame about
• 2:25:11
  the writer, but the mix of comedy and tragedy tragedy.
• 2:25:14
  Frozen works extremely well. Jewel in pretty good light and
• 2:25:21
  I've only seen this once before. Before I saw any Classics.
• 2:25:27
  Oh no. Completely wrong, pretty good.
• 2:25:30
  Like a teammate. I've only seen this one once
• 2:25:33
  before I saw any Classics. So I did not recognize the grid.
• 2:25:36
  Christopher Benjamin needs a rewatch Jason Thompson, very
• 2:25:41
  finely. Yes, sorry, you don't talk to
• 2:25:45
  me. Excellent.
• 2:25:46
  Guests are not a bad Pastiche of TV, versions of Christie's
• 2:25:49
  works. But ultimately pretty forgetful
• 2:25:51
  is Felicity Jones. The first person in a doctor
• 2:25:54
  whose story to say, they went to the toilets.
• 2:25:56
  Oh, that's a question possibly. These are the important
• 2:26:00
  questions people come here for key.
• 2:26:03
  Yes, Jason. Holy because it looks gorgeous,
• 2:26:06
  right. There we go, then.
• 2:26:10
  So I sense that everyone is lining up to tell me exactly how
• 2:26:12
  wrong I am. So first, because I'm so I'm
• 2:26:16
  gonna be so brave. Go on if you more attention
• 2:26:20
  people than me. I'm just gonna say a couple of
• 2:26:25
  beautiful. Sunny bunny, silly Pacey Camp,
• 2:26:28
  scary offering. This is one of the lightest and
• 2:26:31
  bubbly of all Dr. Who episodes it's a full blooded Agatha,
• 2:26:35
  Christie story. Complete with suspects
• 2:26:37
  flashbacks. Secrets lies murder a dinner
• 2:26:40
  time. Death, a huge reveal.
• 2:26:42
  Still has time for a Rudy. Great monster.
• 2:26:44
  Anikar, Chase It's just fabulous.
• 2:26:47
  I love it to pieces. One of my Absolute Comfort
• 2:26:50
  episodes of Doctor Who 10 out of 10.
• 2:26:54
  The Jews, put it in the bin next.
• 2:26:58
  And that here and let's hear from you next.
• 2:27:01
  Right. As Joe was saying it's it's just
• 2:27:04
  so much fun, isn't it? Professor Peach Reverend Go
• 2:27:08
  Lightly all of these just really silly names.
• 2:27:10
  You just kind of. It's like it's like watching the
• 2:27:12
  game a clue though and all that in front of you you know.
• 2:27:15
  Um I guess even though the plot is so generic like it just goes
• 2:27:21
  to show that like It's just a great broad Strokes way of
• 2:27:24
  showing. What a Christie kind of broadly
• 2:27:27
  is about, you know, and it's sold me on that.
• 2:27:29
  So much going out and bought the murder of Roger Ackroyd, you
• 2:27:32
  know? Hang up here.
• 2:27:33
  All right? No, I don't listen to I think
• 2:27:42
  Paul Quinn on the verge of Sony said, if you've not read anyway,
• 2:27:51
  There is a nice little bit of misdirection you know unicorns.
• 2:27:53
  Initially a he in a lot of dialogue at the start of the
• 2:27:56
  episode that's about it. That's all like and there's just
• 2:28:05
  so much great dialogue. It's gone buzzed off or what
• 2:28:10
  else I think I mean enormous or I made a wasp, that's giant.
• 2:28:22
  I was there for that bit and oh, yeah.
• 2:28:26
  With Christopher. What's the crispy Benjamin say?
• 2:28:29
  When he's like, looking at that porno mag?
• 2:28:31
  Oh no, I was reading some military memo, that's it.
• 2:28:37
  And we got a link to these. I'm British I carry on or just
• 2:28:43
  like a man, flashes his family jewels and leave you with a bun
• 2:28:47
  in the oven, what about this? One more was a short spider.
• 2:28:53
  My favorite line in this. This is Poppy shark.
• 2:28:56
  See, I had that time I just Go for it.
• 2:29:07
  Tell me there's no naughty, there's no, not he so, Salty.
• 2:29:15
  It's just full of singers. Like that, isn't it?
• 2:29:17
  And it's just so bubbly, and fun and so stupid that you just go
• 2:29:22
  along with it. You don't take it too seriously
• 2:29:23
  because it's a giant flicking was going about killing people.
• 2:29:27
  You know, it's scary Karen. Best scary.
• 2:29:31
  I was well, I thought it was absolutely.
• 2:29:35
  As you know the bit that is scary is when that that
• 2:29:38
  practical effect of the Stinger in the door, it's leaking all
• 2:29:41
  this like venom out of business and that's just quite a
• 2:29:44
  disturbing The outfits are incredible.
• 2:29:47
  I think it looks like it belongs in the 1920s, we got a great car
• 2:29:51
  chase in the end with all these old cars.
• 2:29:52
  Imagine the slowest car, chase out, and then we're gonna make
• 2:29:59
  sure they've got the best remote, that got their money out
• 2:30:02
  of them, you know, Murray is trying his hardest with the
• 2:30:05
  music. Like, again, these little side
• 2:30:10
  to other Adventures, like and the doctor having a flashback to
• 2:30:14
  finding Charlemagne kidnapped by an insane computer.
• 2:30:17
  I want to see that story. I think it's in a Doctor Who
• 2:30:20
  comic they appeared in one of the doctors.
• 2:30:22
  Yeah, yeah, never mind then. Or oh, I've got this one.
• 2:30:27
  I liked it with pepper. It was a bit spicy.
• 2:30:30
  I just so many bangers bangers. That Yeah.
• 2:30:36
  He was back as well. What about the best gauge joke
• 2:30:39
  ever and Doctor Who's not really goes.
• 2:30:43
  Show yourself and they'll pop their head out the doors and
• 2:30:45
  then you But yeah I guess this hinges on it's mainly go out and
• 2:30:55
  buy a Christie so I have to put it through for that.
• 2:30:58
  All right, so kieran's putting it in the bin as well.
• 2:31:00
  Daniel over to you you know, this one in the bin.
• 2:31:06
  It's so much fun. I mean I think that the
• 2:31:10
  interesting thing is is is is just how the the approach in
• 2:31:14
  humor where people have been saying, oh well just quoting
• 2:31:17
  constantly quoting Christy book titles gets a little weary after
• 2:31:23
  a time she had an appointment with death instead.
• 2:31:26
  Oh my favorite is is the one of the beginning with Professor
• 2:31:30
  Peach where he goes, why didn't they ask Heaven's?
• 2:31:34
  And and then the one at the end where the doctor says murder at
• 2:31:39
  the Vicar's rage and Donna goes what.
• 2:31:43
  And he goes, I need a bit of work.
• 2:31:45
  So I think they're even aware of the fact that, you know, they've
• 2:31:49
  really stretched this concept as much as they can over this
• 2:31:51
  episode. Yeah, the because there's a lot
• 2:31:55
  of other humor in there too. There's there's, there's
• 2:31:58
  slapstick which which has got a proud history in Doctor Who
• 2:32:03
  actually. Um, I seem to remember, John
• 2:32:05
  Nathan Turner making comments about how he didn't really want
• 2:32:08
  slapstick and Doctor Who because the the humor was all in the wit
• 2:32:13
  and it was all about which it was never slapstick.
• 2:32:15
  But then you just need to look back over the classic series
• 2:32:18
  like jars of honey in delta in the bannermen and the milkshakes
• 2:32:23
  in dragon fire and the soft drinks in mobilizing.
• 2:32:27
  The Candyman in the happiness control and then you know, you
• 2:32:33
  can go back. Even further you can go back to
• 2:32:35
  the Romans where there's those fisticuffs and and trout and
• 2:32:39
  splashing about info in the seeds of deaths.
• 2:32:41
  And and put, we running over a tramp in Planet of the spiders.
• 2:32:44
  Just all the best moments of Classic Home Run dropping
• 2:32:49
  dropping Gunk on Bella's face in the mysterious planet.
• 2:32:54
  Yeah. And, you know, so fast forward
• 2:32:58
  to the bond series and Russell T Davies loves putting what the
• 2:33:01
  slapstick in modern Doctor Who you have the mad cat Scooby-Doo
• 2:33:05
  Chase in love and Monsters. The doctor, you know, exposing
• 2:33:09
  radiation from his shoe in Smith and Jones and, you know, but on
• 2:33:14
  the moon. So David has never afraid to
• 2:33:17
  make the show look silly. He knows that slapstick is is
• 2:33:22
  like this, this tree, it's a breather.
• 2:33:24
  It's a sort of a way that you can sort of breathe in
• 2:33:27
  otherwise, very dramatic episode, but and here, it's kind
• 2:33:32
  of the, he said, in the writers to tell, it's the Doctor Who's
• 2:33:36
  first attempt at an all-out comedy since the series came
• 2:33:40
  back where slapsticks just one of the things they use its like
• 2:33:43
  a more of a sort of pick and mix bag of comedic approaches.
• 2:33:47
  So you have Pastiche which we've talked about.
• 2:33:50
  But then you know you have the well the in jokes with the
• 2:33:56
  Christy book titles Donna's pre-knowledge of Christie's
• 2:34:00
  work, you know Murder on the Orient Express one of your best
• 2:34:03
  but not yet. The the fact that the butler
• 2:34:08
  didn't do it, which is actually quite a nice surprise because he
• 2:34:11
  gives David Tennant, that look, doesn't he when he poisons him.
• 2:34:14
  And speaking of poisoning that scene where it's that scene in
• 2:34:19
  the kitchen, where is just them sort of screaming and shouting
• 2:34:24
  each other and doing all the charades that, oh, it's a song
• 2:34:27
  Mammy and, you know, and it's so and, you know, it builds up to
• 2:34:36
  that kiss, which is the, which I think is the funniest kiss
• 2:34:39
  because Because, I mean the the fact that they that it's yeah,
• 2:34:44
  it's it's Donna. Donna is the doctor's friend so
• 2:34:47
  of course she would never do that.
• 2:34:49
  So he's so shocked that that's what expels the the cyanide and
• 2:34:54
  and probably got a lot of anchovy breathe as well.
• 2:34:56
  But you know, and then of course because it's a it's sort of a
• 2:35:03
  Poirot kind of style adaptation but sort of slim down to 45
• 2:35:07
  minutes, you do get that scene at the end which they should
• 2:35:10
  have had in Terror of the verb. Or that's the only, the only
• 2:35:13
  thing. I wish they would have had in
• 2:35:14
  Terror of the world was of scene of Colin, sort of gathering.
• 2:35:17
  All the cast together at the end and say, it was on the story
• 2:35:23
  about it as well, you were right there.
• 2:35:26
  The one, one sit around, I could have done this Bear.
• 2:35:29
  Yes. Yeah yeah.
• 2:35:31
  And you know you've got Donna sort of she can't she's kind of
• 2:35:35
  like the viewer. She's she's like sort of sitting
• 2:35:37
  in the background munching on graves guys so she killed him so
• 2:35:40
  she killed him. So she It's so fun. so, the
• 2:35:47
  second thing is, Is um the there is a bit of there is a bit of
• 2:35:53
  path in this where because it's all about Christie's, doubts
• 2:35:58
  about her own work. Where she she says herself.
• 2:36:02
  I'm a purveyor of nonsense and, you know, the both the doctor
• 2:36:06
  and Donna have to kind of sit her down and and sort of
• 2:36:09
  champion. The artistic Merit of popular
• 2:36:12
  fiction. If you like sort of in the same
• 2:36:14
  way that Doctor, Who itself has a sort of special place in our
• 2:36:17
  hearts, we're in our shared sort of cultural history, and it's
• 2:36:20
  still important to people, you know, whatever era it's in.
• 2:36:24
  And so, there is a, there is a bit of that.
• 2:36:28
  And because it's in the very British sort of setting, and we
• 2:36:33
  mentioned, you know, their British, they carry on.
• 2:36:35
  So there is a sort of history of of repression as well.
• 2:36:39
  This sort of repressed emotion about how, you know, you have
• 2:36:43
  the that that gay relationship between Rodger Kirby and
• 2:36:47
  Davenport. And then Davenport.
• 2:36:51
  Sorry, Roger gets killed at the Denny gets stabbed, and Donna,
• 2:36:55
  makes a remarkable that Paul footman can't even mourn his
• 2:36:59
  lover. Because in such a repressed
• 2:37:01
  Society, you know, that would be seen as, you know, not British
• 2:37:04
  and and also lady Edison who is an alcoholic, you know, she's
• 2:37:13
  there. I mean there is that funny Seed
• 2:37:15
  where she kind of books and all excuse me but but yeah, and she
• 2:37:19
  loses her. She loses her two sons her
• 2:37:22
  allegedly, her son, Roger. And her illegitimate son on the
• 2:37:27
  same day. So, you know, fun times for for
• 2:37:30
  a comedy episode and they have this.
• 2:37:34
  And that's what I like about this script too, that it's very
• 2:37:38
  tight in the sense that, you know, the doctor and Donna land
• 2:37:41
  and they just go straight into the adventure where.
• 2:37:45
  And then at the end that, that the end where they just You
• 2:37:49
  know, he gets out the the paperback and and then they just
• 2:37:52
  say onwards and they go right off into another adventure.
• 2:37:56
  It's so sort of self-contained, which is what I like about it
• 2:37:59
  and Gareth Roberts originally had this terrible framing
• 2:38:04
  device. Where Agatha Christie was, this
• 2:38:08
  old lady in a nursing home and during this dark and stormy
• 2:38:12
  night and she's visited by the man in the brown suit, which is,
• 2:38:16
  you know, the doctor and they have to tell her how great and
• 2:38:19
  important her books are for, you know, years and years to come.
• 2:38:22
  And I just prefer that sort of very self-contained, sad,
• 2:38:25
  artistic film, wasn't it? It was filmed.
• 2:38:28
  You could see it in the pool. He was famous car.
• 2:38:31
  I'll find out my doctor who I'm television middle of the Season,
• 2:38:35
  David Taylor. Oh sorry.
• 2:38:37
  Love with, oh, you And finally, my my number one reason for
• 2:38:45
  putting this through is Grandma Harper.
• 2:39:06
  Oh, Ginger Beer. I think your pardon I need you.
• 2:39:12
  It's fatal. Not for me, I can stimulate end
• 2:39:19
  time to reversal protein. I mean protein
• 2:39:55
  Why is it? Because we know he is a great
• 2:40:19
  director of action, but he is also a great director of actors.
• 2:40:23
  And he loved, I mean, I've seen the confidentials of this one.
• 2:40:27
  He loved working on this episode because he got, he got to shoot
• 2:40:30
  it, like a sort of David suchet homage.
• 2:40:33
  And just the way he could have films, those lawn scenes where,
• 2:40:38
  you know, all these, all these characters have to get
• 2:40:41
  introduced more or less at the same time.
• 2:40:43
  And there's usually something in the foreground leaving the frame
• 2:40:47
  to reveal important characters or important details in the
• 2:40:49
  background. There's a bit, there's a sort of
• 2:40:52
  rack Focus moment towards the end where they, you know, he
• 2:40:55
  holds up the I think the doctor or Agatha Christie holds up the
• 2:40:59
  the Firestone Jewel. And then it does a rack Focus,
• 2:41:02
  right onto lady Edison. So connects those two elements
• 2:41:06
  just just visually, which I think is is great.
• 2:41:11
  And also, when when you know, we finally find out that Philip Go
• 2:41:16
  Lightly is the Reverend Go, Lightly is um, is a his son.
• 2:41:20
  But there's this sort of Jaws like, oh my God Dolly zoom, on
• 2:41:24
  lady Edison like, oh, it's like the jaw shot, isn't it?
• 2:41:28
  Yes, exactly. Yeah, all the several shot I
• 2:41:31
  suppose we could call exactly. Yeah, yeah.
• 2:41:32
  So, and and, you know, he, I also listened to the commentary
• 2:41:39
  where he talks about how, you know, the thing about actors is
• 2:41:42
  everything, every time they move, it's like a completely
• 2:41:46
  new, jigsaw puzzle. So you've got two people's easy,
• 2:41:48
  right? But three people's, not too bad
• 2:41:50
  for people still, okay, and then it starts becoming right now.
• 2:42:03
  He's in the room. So yes, of course this is going
• 2:42:08
  through. Um it's a lot of fun.
• 2:42:10
  It's really well. Directed, it looks gorgeous
• 2:42:12
  great cast and it's really sort of it's very tight for 45
• 2:42:17
  minutes. So put it through Daniel, you
• 2:42:20
  know what the most inspired bit of direction and this whole
• 2:42:22
  episode is It's when Miss Chandra Carla dies.
• 2:42:26
  And we see that from the point of view of the statue that
• 2:42:30
  squashes her and she just stands there, screaming do that.
• 2:42:35
  Oh, it's great. Great.
• 2:42:39
  So that's another one in the bin Li, it's all About like don't be
• 2:42:46
  grumpy, come on, moving finger points lie.
• 2:42:49
  Well, you know what, folks? I share a lot similarities with
• 2:42:53
  my learning right hand side on this video call.
• 2:42:56
  I've got similar tests, and are you wear.
• 2:42:59
  We've got similar tests and on their achieving football teams
• 2:43:03
  that play black and white stripes and condemning this dog
• 2:43:17
  of a story. Oh boy.
• 2:43:19
  Go up. Oh, let me get started.
• 2:43:22
  This is he? 0.1, who am I?
• 2:43:29
  This episode doesn't seem to know what truly wants to be at
• 2:43:34
  points. For getting a mish-mash of
• 2:43:36
  elements of other doctors, whose stories, their sense of Black
• 2:43:39
  Orchid with the locked, through the ones house illness and
• 2:43:42
  darkness. There's a slight retrain of the
• 2:43:45
  dinner scene from Tiffin clothes, as well as a clunky
• 2:43:48
  episode. The various parts seemingly.
• 2:43:51
  What we together with sudden gear shifts and Elder, find
• 2:43:54
  alien fret and an all prevailing are of over the topness that
• 2:43:59
  gets a grip of the story and never lets go to be honestly,
• 2:44:02
  you've just summed up Doctor Who their not just this episode.
• 2:44:14
  Meeting Charles Dickens and he's surrounded by ghosts at
• 2:44:25
  Christmas. Well, come on.
• 2:44:28
  It's not. That would drive across country.
• 2:44:30
  And finally, Could we know he's not real, is he tell me there's
• 2:44:37
  no naughty. There's no Naughty by all means
• 2:44:40
  have some pubertal story but when it says long and is drank
• 2:44:44
  it out as the doctor playing proud and drawing room picking
• 2:44:48
  out suspects is the murderer in the same way that Alan sugar
• 2:44:51
  tries to misdirect and every single fucking episode of The
• 2:44:54
  Apprentice. When he Points each candidate in
• 2:44:57
  the boardroom and saying with regret before he finally gets to
• 2:45:00
  the point in sacks and other stage and you have to question
• 2:45:03
  whether it be in there at all, there's too many disparate parts
• 2:45:07
  that should fit together with more care.
• 2:45:09
  But ultimately leaves everything feeling ramshackle, Yeah.
• 2:45:15
  So that's Point number one. Point number two, the
• 2:45:17
  performance is AKA, oh yeah, I know mother.
• 2:45:21
  Everything and a story is so for the top, each character is
• 2:45:25
  exactly the sort of person you expect to find in your typical
• 2:45:28
  1920s, modern mystery saying wouldn't feel right without them
• 2:45:32
  there, but my gods don't make them talk at yours.
• 2:45:36
  Gallipolis race every single character is dialed up till 11
• 2:45:40
  and in turn leaves the actors with nowhere to go.
• 2:45:43
  None more so than our very own dual fuel for Extraordinary
• 2:45:46
  Robina Redmond who goes from Jolly hockey, stick voiced High
• 2:45:51
  Society. It go to in the blink of an eye
• 2:45:53
  after having our cover blown and escaping from the local
• 2:45:57
  community groups production of all of her.
• 2:45:59
  Oh, she's great. I think did you see her in Rogue
• 2:46:05
  one? Who she in Rogue one?
• 2:46:09
  She's the main character. Yes, you're right.
• 2:46:14
  He or she's a Heartbeat Away from becoming cat Slayer with
• 2:46:17
  cold, rubbed or cheeks warning. All in something.
• 2:46:19
  He put on your personal lighting ship.
• 2:46:22
  Because Cole blow me, I'm like finger Tilly Phenom, State
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  Governor Do the voice Miss. I understand the actors.
• 2:46:31
  Maybe they haven't male will be having a whale of a time here.
• 2:46:33
  Having fun performing these characters and that's fine and
• 2:46:36
  small measured doses. Absence of any like in shade in
• 2:46:41
  this ultimately makes it waiting for the viewer.
• 2:46:46
  Yes. Now about the final point, I
• 2:46:53
  wished it opportunity back in about freezer said earlier on,
• 2:46:55
  there is so much more that cute of and should have been done
• 2:46:59
  before I go for Christie in this specialty, mystery of
• 2:47:02
  anticipated and subsequent reappearance and how to get That
• 2:47:06
  could be tighter to plot more but as it is at the left of a
• 2:47:09
  hand wavy or our memories have been wiped explanation.
• 2:47:12
  Fair enough. She gets to do the things we'd
• 2:47:14
  expect from architecture, Stacey pieces together the clothes that
• 2:47:17
  eventually leaked on masking the murderer, but we expect that, if
• 2:47:20
  you're going to bring in a historical figure then why not
• 2:47:23
  take the opportunity to do something slightly different
• 2:47:25
  with them. Have some fun with this, all
• 2:47:29
  gonna be resolved to put back where things were at the end.
• 2:47:32
  They all she had her mind right by the vested form and can't
• 2:47:35
  remember anything. Just seems like an easy cop out
• 2:47:38
  and not something. The thing of one of this
• 2:47:40
  nation's finest ever offers. And summary the Unicorn, the
• 2:47:43
  worst Buzzy's over all around the place like a wasp is taking
• 2:47:47
  too much sugar and Cocktails on the garden party resulting in a
• 2:47:51
  rushed chaotic. Miss that never said, it's
• 2:47:54
  Technical and paste control and have it fully experimented.
• 2:47:58
  The trouble is though, right? Is that you and Fraser?
• 2:48:01
  And you know, I'm not saying you're not creative men.
• 2:48:03
  You've both posited, a father, Less Fun episode on the one, we
• 2:48:10
  actually, it would be so dreary I have suggested Dr. Whose story
• 2:48:19
  on the screen by Paul Moss. How can you possibly say?
• 2:48:22
  I posited, a dollar version. What I have to say anything?
• 2:48:26
  Yeah, Paul masses written on the screen, so I don't know that he
• 2:48:28
  can write a script. I know we can write a novel.
• 2:48:33
  It's because it's fun. Joe doesn't make it right in
• 2:48:36
  Russia. Are you sure?
• 2:48:39
  It doesn't you I mean, ultimately, you've just got a
• 2:48:47
  look at the Shakespeare code, which car was like that but
• 2:48:50
  better much better this but we're here more stylish it's
• 2:48:57
  mild but I mean. Jesus know JK Rowling, man.
• 2:48:59
  I really love the caretaker for both sides are made.
• 2:49:04
  So right, this is him are We'll get there.
• 2:49:10
  What I will also say is if you really really want a fantastic
• 2:49:16
  Brilliant. Balls to the wall and attaining
• 2:49:19
  Doctor Who story with wasps in, you need to go and find that TV
• 2:49:22
  comic. And the second doctor in the
• 2:49:25
  Box, he's got this kind of Yeah, no right.
• 2:49:34
  That's power on then we have got two stories left to go.
• 2:49:37
  We have two people left. The big from the two Harley
• 2:49:41
  regarded classic. I think the Year Daniel.
• 2:49:44
  Yes, the two class. Oh, definitely those.
• 2:49:48
  Let's see. Which one of them is gonna go.
• 2:49:52
  In a 50/50 countdown. It's Kieran.
• 2:49:58
  Choose Your Weapon. Turn left, right?
• 2:50:04
  So, this story to the left turn, right?
• 2:50:06
  Yeah. Turn right, right, right, choice
• 2:50:09
  Kieran and change the world. This episode, Everyone likes to
• 2:50:16
  call it. There's the bleakest episode of
• 2:50:18
  Doctor Who always so dark. It's very Twilight Zone.
• 2:50:20
  The Doctor dies 10 minutes in, you know, London gets blown to
• 2:50:25
  Smith errands. America gets turned to back
• 2:50:27
  Sarah, Jane dies, that whole bloody hospitalized, right?
• 2:50:32
  Oh, could you? Well, Captain Jack is taken to
• 2:50:43
  us on how well forever in portrait dollies and it's all
• 2:50:47
  bloody miserable, but everyone forgets healthy.
• 2:50:50
  This story is when it wants to be.
• 2:50:52
  They don't need temps except for practice.
• 2:50:56
  Oh, could be aliens or that bit of when they're at the Christmas
• 2:51:03
  thing, it's like, is that like a sequel or something, you know,
• 2:51:07
  or that big fat leads stamp True people.
• 2:51:14
  All right. And that that shot directly
• 2:51:16
  after the stamp where, Donna, Scott head on the thing.
• 2:51:18
  Yeah, she looks like the pressing Leeds.
• 2:51:20
  Yeah. Rocco.
• 2:51:23
  I love that character is a big people is good if you God Bless
• 2:51:38
  America. America is in crisis.
• 2:51:47
  He does love a point in lady, doesn't he trusts?
• 2:51:52
  Oh yeah. Like like Invasion of the Body
• 2:51:54
  Snatchers like and then my favorite line did it and this
• 2:52:00
  combat dehydration. But so yeah, it knows how to
• 2:52:05
  balance the fun with the intensely morbid.
• 2:52:09
  So how can I not? This very is also relies so much
• 2:52:13
  on those last four seasons of Television that we've watched
• 2:52:17
  and Which it trusts that there's a constant argument about two
• 2:52:22
  fans of. This is not a great jumping on
• 2:52:24
  episode, but this is series 4 episode 11, if you're not caught
• 2:52:28
  up and if your children. So the first time you're an
• 2:52:31
  idiot, I would go back and just watch the rest of it.
• 2:52:34
  So I don't think that argument ever really works.
• 2:52:36
  So, of course. Yeah.
• 2:52:37
  Could it through, of course, we're putting it through and it
• 2:52:41
  through. What's the rest of the harm?
• 2:52:45
  I'm doing it. Can I go first?
• 2:52:46
  Because I want to shed 80 years off James, Lark?
• 2:52:51
  Right as he says, RTD his absolute brilliant.
• 2:52:55
  Best of fascinating compelling and disturbing slice of drama.
• 2:52:59
  The, where's his profundity and Humanity with the lightness of
• 2:53:02
  touch that characterizes. His very finest writing.
• 2:53:06
  Not just great Doctor, Who great TV for.
• 2:53:09
  Stop it. One of the doctor wasn't there
• 2:53:13
  except this time the doctor actually existed in this
• 2:53:16
  universe and people aren't wearing eye patches.
• 2:53:19
  The one thing that absolutely makes this episode three words.
• 2:53:23
  Anyone want to guess what they are?
• 2:53:25
  No, I can read it. So pushes the deal.
• 2:53:32
  Again, then it's not it's not between deals.
• 2:53:35
  I really want to boost meal till now, do you know?
• 2:53:39
  It pushes Donna to her limits, and gives us a great story and
• 2:53:43
  doing so. No Fanfare for Big Orange,
• 2:53:46
  Michael this time, I want to love it.
• 2:53:49
  So it was my fellow fans do But it didn't connect with me in the
• 2:53:53
  same way and it hasn't since I can see why others love it, but
• 2:53:57
  it's not my favorite. Oh, Big Orange Michael.
• 2:53:59
  Oh perfect. At least he already.
• 2:54:06
  Why are others? Love it.
• 2:54:07
  Yeah. Gospel extremely compelling,
• 2:54:12
  especially For What advertised none of this really matters.
• 2:54:15
  As there's always an alternative universe.
• 2:54:18
  Do wonder, if it's Doctor Who for back door pilot to rules.
• 2:54:23
  Michael stormers. Usually a bit sort of touching
• 2:54:25
  go on RTD scripts, RTD manages to surpass himself here and put
• 2:54:30
  everyone through the emotional meat grinder.
• 2:54:32
  If midnight has shades of heat shock, Hitchcock RTD gives us a
• 2:54:36
  bleak take on. It's a Wonderful Life.
• 2:54:38
  We've done a witnessing the world crashing around her keep
• 2:54:43
  all smile. Cousin, tits, best performance.
• 2:54:48
  Shame that Billy pipe has sound so different, but it was a
• 2:54:51
  genuine thrill to have her then take, isn't it?
• 2:54:53
  Okay. So, just just a second because
• 2:54:56
  I, I did re-watch it and I was trying I was really listening
• 2:54:59
  out. The only one I could get, was we
• 2:55:02
  do for Christmas? Um, is there any others I should
• 2:55:06
  have been listening out for? if she's always had pavement,
• 2:55:11
  slabs for front teeth and let's be honest, it's it's like
• 2:55:15
  something else. It's like Yeah, it's just called
• 2:55:19
  it sound. That too big for a mouth.
• 2:55:20
  That's not. So into him.
• 2:55:22
  Yeah. Then you get and she sounds
• 2:55:25
  fine. Anyhow.
• 2:55:27
  Moving on. Oh my finishes.
• 2:55:29
  Oh sorry. Yeah.
• 2:55:30
  Cracking sliding, door style, episode, Oscar Groucho.
• 2:55:35
  Says a Marvel. What if clad in the Robes of a
• 2:55:38
  Twilight Zone? Episode Piper's finest
• 2:55:41
  performance. Some of the most startling
• 2:55:43
  iconography in the show's history with imagery.
• 2:55:45
  Lifted straight from threads, but papered with cracks of
• 2:55:48
  continuity. Always a right poet?
• 2:55:51
  Isn't he a much imitated classic and there you go.
• 2:55:54
  What do we know teeth? Give that best performance.
• 2:55:59
  Motley newbie. Arguably the Masterpiece of the
• 2:56:02
  RTD year, but relies on the viewer knowing everything which
• 2:56:06
  is going before, it's bloody series 4.
• 2:56:08
  Goodness for long-term fans. It's an incredibly powerful
• 2:56:13
  showpiece of what would happen if the doctor wasn't around the
• 2:56:16
  sabis. Titans and King absolutely sell
• 2:56:20
  The Narrative of a world being plunged into darker and darker
• 2:56:23
  places. And the latest scenes of a
• 2:56:25
  broken Sylvia and Wolf decrying, the detainment of the coastal
• 2:56:28
  and anthos. Is hot waking so that I could
• 2:56:34
  you out that one Tim, Carter Tim Green all over again, isn't it?
• 2:56:40
  Probably my favorite episode of Doctor Who a tour de force from
• 2:56:45
  the whole Noble family, defeated silver, and lazy is just
• 2:56:48
  heartbreaking. The scene, where the Italian
• 2:56:50
  family is taking away is breathtaking.
• 2:56:52
  Thanks to cribbins, keep for the win.
• 2:56:55
  The win. Paul win over guy, you know?
• 2:57:01
  Rtd's best script and one at least in Doctor Who he'll never
• 2:57:05
  better. But 73 yds is heading in the
• 2:57:10
  It's another oblique Vision, but It ultimately has hope, which is
• 2:57:14
  why it's in a different League to Waters of Mars, which can't
• 2:57:17
  escape from the darkness in which envelops the doctor he had
• 2:57:20
  to make a dig. Didn't they Jason talking about
• 2:57:23
  Waters of Mars? Paul Quinn were talking about.
• 2:57:25
  This could be the one person, you know, Jason Thompson, nice
• 2:57:29
  idea comma. And Katherine take Harry's the
• 2:57:33
  doctor like episode brilliantly, extra credit for Bernard
• 2:57:37
  cribbins in the it's happening again.
• 2:57:38
  Seen the man was a National Treasure.
• 2:57:41
  Keep it. James Harden, Bennett super
• 2:57:46
  performers, but it's selectiveness in the alterations
• 2:57:50
  to time, doesn't fully work for me on subsequent viewings.
• 2:57:54
  Keep though, as it's a beautiful story, for Donna, Andy is really
• 2:57:58
  sure what he's talking about their selectiveness in
• 2:58:01
  alterations time. I think what he means is this
• 2:58:05
  probably more going on. If you remove the doctor after
• 2:58:09
  the, when we brought that is shown on screen, so they should
• 2:58:15
  be more incidents where bad things happen, because the
• 2:58:19
  doctor isn't that stop them, he watches on a whole nother level
• 2:58:22
  to middles David Gillespie on the one hand, brilliant, and on
• 2:58:25
  the other hand miserable, Catherine.
• 2:58:28
  Tate is the normally good in this, it's rightly lauded as a
• 2:58:31
  classic, but another example of one I had not picked a watch
• 2:58:34
  after a hard day. Well, I wonder where Nathan
• 2:58:38
  bottom is going to fall on this one.
• 2:58:39
  He's a wise man. David Tennant has the week off
• 2:58:44
  this week but we don't miss him because four incredible women
• 2:58:47
  and Sir Bernard. Oh here instead this is
• 2:58:50
  Jacqueline King's best performance.
• 2:58:52
  That's seeing something. Jacqueline King in this Paul
• 2:58:55
  Arthur says, by the end of the season, RTD is going full on DC,
• 2:58:59
  Comic style crossover event. But here it's Marvel Comics.
• 2:59:02
  What if story and it's just as big.
• 2:59:04
  And just as brilliant, both taking cribbins are at the top
• 2:59:08
  of their games. I really hope this wins.
• 2:59:11
  John Arnold. RTD plunges, even deeper into
• 2:59:14
  them. Suggesting that only the doctor
• 2:59:17
  can see him. I was sells.
• 2:59:20
  Crimson, Tate redeem, the unremitting bleakness beer,
• 2:59:24
  Palouse Daniel Knight bleake and terrifying.
• 2:59:27
  Yes, it's who spin on Buffy's the wish, but with free superb
• 2:59:31
  performance from Tate's and Jacqueline, King, I'm
• 2:59:33
  comfortable viewing Escape. She gave him the current
• 2:59:36
  political scene in the world. Perhaps in my top five of modern
• 2:59:40
  who's stories. Or Cresta.
• 2:59:44
  Benefits from being Donna heavy and like the best doctor Light
• 2:59:47
  episodes works because there was a doctor sheep joke in it.
• 2:59:51
  As Bleak as rtt gets, but it's still has a lot of heart.
• 2:59:55
  Titans and King are on top form. I'm wondering that's not correct
• 2:59:58
  on my part and it should be there's a doctor shaped hole in
• 3:00:02
  it. I think it's mostly that.
• 3:00:03
  Well, I, at least together. So blame me.
• 3:00:05
  Oh yeah. I've probably won't corrected it
• 3:00:08
  somewhere in the night finally and giving house a full house
• 3:00:11
  on. Turn left.
• 3:00:12
  Kieran Evans, says, brilliant and dark.
• 3:00:16
  If you just blocked out or be going to make those comment from
• 3:00:20
  your mind. Now, I don't like him anymore,
• 3:00:22
  he can't my cool. Big Orange consoled.
• 3:00:33
  Oh okay, here. And you picked to the left.
• 3:00:36
  I curious because you watched this as a kid Yeah, you.
• 3:00:40
  So you wouldn't have seen and one, two and three series before
• 3:00:47
  this. That's some of these things were
• 3:00:49
  referenced. Was that an issue for you when
• 3:00:51
  you were four years old or no? Because I just assumed at the
• 3:00:55
  time, it was, oh, these just alien threats.
• 3:00:57
  The doctor wasn't here to stop. Actually you can they just
• 3:01:01
  didn't bother me at all like that's it.
• 3:01:03
  It was I think is it the one right away?
• 3:01:06
  Bride Smith and Jones. The Damned Bridge of the Damned.
• 3:01:11
  I watched Voyage of the Damned, right?
• 3:01:13
  So it's just those first two, right?
• 3:01:15
  And I just assumed that's just some alien, bollocks, the
• 3:01:17
  doctor's not there to stop. So, whatever.
• 3:01:19
  I'm I don't think I was thinking about that deeply when I was
• 3:01:21
  about four. So you, you got the gist of it.
• 3:01:24
  Rather, I got the concept. The doctor said he can't stop
• 3:01:28
  all this year. Where is that?
• 3:01:30
  Nice man going in the van, basically.
• 3:01:34
  Oh okay. Daniel.
• 3:01:36
  What do you make of this me? Oh yes.
• 3:01:39
  Okay. Yeah, I think this story is
• 3:01:47
  really boring. I think it's being really clever
• 3:01:50
  but it's not. I think the performance is all
• 3:01:53
  the time Beetle looks fake. You're not telling the truth.
• 3:01:58
  Oh sorry. Yeah, I think I've got my notes
• 3:02:00
  mixed up. I seem to be reading what the
• 3:02:02
  parallel universe version of diamonds.
• 3:02:10
  I've been saving that one up. Okay, of course this is going
• 3:02:16
  through. Okay, so three figs.
• 3:02:18
  So getting serious for a second. There is something Sylvia says
• 3:02:23
  roughly, Midway through the episode, which really stuck with
• 3:02:27
  me, I think, on First Watch, and, and still does today, and
• 3:02:31
  actually keeps me up at night, which is what if it never gets
• 3:02:35
  better, Ah, so I mean I don't want to be Captain ring down
• 3:02:40
  because obviously this is a happy show but um but you know
• 3:02:43
  you turn on the news and you look at the state of the world
• 3:02:46
  today and you go back and watch this.
• 3:02:48
  And you wonder has any of this really dated at all.
• 3:02:51
  So people have said that before about how turn left, you know,
• 3:02:57
  is Russell T, Davies Masterpiece, and in a way for
• 3:03:00
  me, it feels like a dry run for years and years, which is this
• 3:03:04
  show he did in 2019, which comes covers a very similar ground and
• 3:03:09
  I'm actually ashamed to say I've only experienced it in YouTube
• 3:03:13
  forum and in script form because what the first episode of set me
• 3:03:17
  so much yeah I don't watch it, I couldn't take it, I couldn't get
• 3:03:21
  through it. I don't know what that says
• 3:03:22
  about me but but I think Russell really captured something about
• 3:03:26
  the Zeitgeist that still feels very relevant in our current
• 3:03:31
  moment. Actually.
• 3:03:32
  In the world today which is this Dreadful feeling of just living
• 3:03:35
  in a state of Crisis where there's just catastrophe after
• 3:03:40
  catastrophe and everything happens.
• 3:03:43
  And everything happens, a lot. And you know we're always
• 3:03:47
  obsessing about the end of the world in science fiction and
• 3:03:50
  what it might look like in real life, but the vision that's
• 3:03:52
  presented both in years and years and in turn left is what
• 3:03:57
  if it doesn't, what if the world never stops ending?
• 3:04:00
  What if it's this constant downward spiral where things
• 3:04:04
  just get worse and worse and madder and faster and darker and
• 3:04:07
  scarier and in years and years, he made it sort of more
• 3:04:11
  palatable by focusing on one sort of ordinary middle class
• 3:04:14
  family and tying all their sort of individual fortunes to the
• 3:04:18
  fortunes of the world with this sort of sense of inevitable
• 3:04:22
  continuity that well, life goes on, you know, no matter what,
• 3:04:25
  which is itself a blessing. But it's a blessing in disguise
• 3:04:29
  because that feeling all so ends up hiding the fact that you have
• 3:04:33
  this over time, window of what we all regard as normal, and
• 3:04:36
  that just keeps shifting more and more until you ask yourself
• 3:04:39
  for when does it stop? And so in turn left, it's more
• 3:04:43
  palatable, simply because, well, it's a Doctor Who episode.
• 3:04:46
  So there has to be, as you said Kieran moments of Comedy, even
• 3:04:50
  in the worst of times. So, you know, you've got Donna
• 3:04:53
  being her usual, Brash mouthy self, where she, she may, I
• 3:04:57
  think she makes that coronation joke to the woman don't get all
• 3:05:01
  chippy with me Vera Duckworth. You know, put your pops.
• 3:05:06
  I'm going to go and feed with pets.
• 3:05:08
  All the disasters being these cataclysmic invasions from the
• 3:05:13
  past Doctor Who episodes is kind of quite funny.
• 3:05:16
  It's almost like a sort of a sort of dark version of a clip
• 3:05:20
  show, really? We've talked about Rocco
• 3:05:23
  colasanto being this complete character of a Italian family,
• 3:05:27
  man who is good. These fun you are but luck and
• 3:05:32
  they have a lovely sort of sing along to Bohemian Rhapsody,
• 3:05:35
  which is actually a song. I can't fucking stand.
• 3:05:38
  Thank you, Daniel. It's a great moment.
• 3:05:41
  What is it? Where is just great because it's
• 3:05:45
  this tiny little pocket of joy in the darkness and it even
• 3:05:48
  cheers. Poor Sylvia up because she's
• 3:05:50
  well, don't you think? She looks so awkward though?
• 3:05:52
  That's just not her environment at all.
• 3:05:54
  It's not our advice. She's not used to it, but she's
• 3:05:56
  just trying to sort of she, she is trying to get along with all
• 3:06:00
  these people and it does sort of even work on her for a while.
• 3:06:05
  Um, and but because it's a Doctor Who episode the answer
• 3:06:09
  to, where does it stop? Is the stars are going out,
• 3:06:12
  which I can't think of anything more fucking terrifying than,
• 3:06:15
  looking up at the sky and they're just big a black void of
• 3:06:19
  nothing. So, yeah, I think this is
• 3:06:22
  probably as Bleak as Doctor Who gets at least in these first
• 3:06:26
  four years. So, when the apocalypse itself
• 3:06:30
  is caused by the doctors death, I like that.
• 3:06:33
  They have, you know Mr. Honky unit, Soldier private Harris
• 3:06:38
  from the song and two parter is the one to pronounce the doctor
• 3:06:42
  is dead. But imagine if it had been Ross,
• 3:06:44
  if Ross had said the doctor is death, what sort of twist of the
• 3:06:48
  knife that would have been? I like misremembered it thinking
• 3:06:51
  it was Ross know. Sadly, still hot though.
• 3:06:55
  Oh Ross. Yeah and so yeah.
• 3:06:59
  And then, you know, they reused stock, footage of the ragnos
• 3:07:02
  webstar, the Titanic, the adipose, that sort of tried.
• 3:07:05
  And tested technique of the news reports making the world feel
• 3:07:08
  bigger than it actually is with including Trinity Wells.
• 3:07:11
  And you know, this snowballing series of disaster disasters
• 3:07:16
  where millions of people die and it reminded me a bit of Children
• 3:07:19
  of Men, which is another thing. Another piece of dystopian
• 3:07:22
  fiction. I've never really gone back to
• 3:07:24
  since our first saw it just because that vision of Britain
• 3:07:28
  becoming a fascist xenophobic hellscape is sort of quite
• 3:07:32
  plausible, nowadays and also like children of men and in
• 3:07:37
  years and years, it's about the, the sort of the Immigrant
• 3:07:40
  experience where Russell's banking on the sort of the
• 3:07:44
  safety Comfort cultural. We have as these white sort of
• 3:07:48
  middle class or whatever class viewers.
• 3:07:51
  And having these these characters who look like us
• 3:07:55
  suffer, the same fate that. So many foreign refugees suffer
• 3:08:00
  because that's what it takes to make the issue feel real to us,
• 3:08:05
  So Russell Tovey dying in years and years, sorry spoilers Clive.
• 3:08:10
  And in Children of Men and Catherine, Tate and her family
• 3:08:13
  and Donna's family in turn left where after London's destroyed
• 3:08:17
  in the nuclear Holocaust, you know, Donna and her pointedly,
• 3:08:21
  very white middle-class family are kicked around the country
• 3:08:24
  with no one the worst face. Yeah, no one really cares where
• 3:08:28
  they end up and their just like some silent Seekers today, where
• 3:08:33
  real Sort of political issues that are sort of disguised in a
• 3:08:38
  way to get under your skin. And Donna even says she says
• 3:08:41
  there is an a war there's no fight.
• 3:08:43
  There's just this, it's unbelievable that the point
• 3:08:48
  their commentary is as pointed as this in a Doctor Who episode.
• 3:08:51
  And it's so, compellingly told ya, it's just one of the most
• 3:08:55
  angriest Doctor. Who's groups it really, really
• 3:08:57
  works too because just the unrelenting story structure that
• 3:09:01
  Russell uses, which is basically Donna's situation keeps
• 3:09:05
  deteriorating after each Global disaster.
• 3:09:07
  So the doctor dies, Donna meets Rose things, get worse, donor
• 3:09:12
  meets rose again, things get worse, donor meets rose again,
• 3:09:14
  things, get worse. So, you know, she loses her job.
• 3:09:17
  She loses her home, she loses her new friends and finally, she
• 3:09:20
  loses all hope. And each time you've got Rose
• 3:09:24
  regularly turning up in the first two acts each time
• 3:09:27
  revealing a little bit more information and each time
• 3:09:31
  gradually gaining Donna's, trust until eventually, she has to
• 3:09:34
  make that decision, Which leads into the climax.
• 3:09:37
  And so the which leads me to my second thing, which is Sylvia,
• 3:09:40
  all the performance is across the border.
• 3:09:43
  Great. So, Catherine, Tate is out of
• 3:09:45
  this world. I love how she once they get to
• 3:09:48
  lead. She sounds like she's got a
• 3:09:50
  cold. So that kind of adds to the
• 3:09:52
  performance. I think Billie.
• 3:09:54
  Piper looks so, sort of haunted as Rose.
• 3:09:57
  She kind of drifts in and out of the story like a ghost.
• 3:10:00
  And she always looks, so sad, Bernard cribbins as well.
• 3:10:04
  You know, reliving the horrors of war with this kind of, you
• 3:10:08
  know, Blitz Spirit stoicism and then this sense of mounting
• 3:10:13
  dread as well. And I mentioned, you know, Rocco
• 3:10:18
  colasanto, oh, mama is people, he's nice people.
• 3:10:21
  So he's this complete stereotype but then that just makes it even
• 3:10:25
  more effective in that scene where they load him on the back
• 3:10:28
  of the truck and taking him away to her.
• 3:10:30
  Concentration camp. England for the English
• 3:10:43
  acceptor, they can't send us home the ocean's a closed, they
• 3:10:47
  build labor camps, neighbor, doing what there aren't any jobs
• 3:10:52
  Sowing digging is good. Stop it before I kiss you too
• 3:10:57
  much. Wilfred my capital.
• 3:11:23
  Labor camps. That's what I call them.
• 3:11:28
  It's happening again. Um but I want to focus on
• 3:12:02
  Sylvia, so it's Jacqueline. King who steals the show because
• 3:12:05
  that is, I think one of the best performances in these first,
• 3:12:10
  four years of Doctor Who where it's so minimalist.
• 3:12:14
  There's very little she's giving.
• 3:12:16
  She's doing a lot with very very little you think about all the
• 3:12:19
  mothers in this era of Doctor Who and she's just the worst
• 3:12:25
  like what are sort of Horrid spiteful woman?
• 3:12:27
  She doesn't even know how damaging the things she says to
• 3:12:30
  her daughter are But because he's Russell, T Davies, he makes
• 3:12:35
  you rights are in a way that you care about her.
• 3:12:37
  And so for all this Bluster that she gives, she doesn't have the
• 3:12:41
  same resilience that will have has or even Donna has.
• 3:12:44
  And so you just gradually watch her shot down over the course of
• 3:12:48
  the story with that expressive face that Jacqueline King
• 3:12:52
  usually has. Sort of sag and sort of
• 3:12:56
  flattened out with despair to the point where there's that
• 3:12:59
  scene, which I think is, you know, the the best shot in the
• 3:13:03
  in the episode of Graham Harper, framing her sitting very
• 3:13:07
  silently in the foreground and Donna out of focus in the
• 3:13:10
  background and she can't even do not offer her daughter.
• 3:13:13
  Any words of Love, except when Donna says, oh I've always been
• 3:13:17
  a disappointment and she just goes Yeah.
• 3:13:21
  It is handled that thing that's astonishing astonishing.
• 3:13:26
  And I I think, you know, bit of a bit of a trigger warning here,
• 3:13:29
  but I think all the signs are, there are pointing to someone
• 3:13:34
  whose about to take their own life.
• 3:13:36
  And I think that's the logical endpoint, which probably from a
• 3:13:41
  storytelling standpoint would have given Donna even more
• 3:13:44
  reason to go with rose and make things, right?
• 3:13:47
  But obviously, I think the suicide of someone's mother, I
• 3:13:50
  think would be a bit too far, even for the Doctor, Who's so
• 3:13:53
  special, at the end of the episode, but Donna does instead.
• 3:13:59
  Yeah, which still get some suicide in this.
• 3:14:02
  If things weren't blinking off sacrifices, he will sacrifice.
• 3:14:06
  I think it was a potato. So that was cheery.
• 3:14:12
  Anyway, I'll end on an upbeat note for my final thing, which
• 3:14:16
  is the bad wolf Cliffhanger at the end of what I I grant you is
• 3:14:22
  not as good as the master reveal in Utopia but it comes pretty
• 3:14:27
  close where you see David Tennant's mounting dread as as
• 3:14:31
  tape as Catherine Tate says well she was blonde.
• 3:14:35
  What was her name, Donna? What was her name?
• 3:14:37
  And then those two words and what could they be Rose?
• 3:14:42
  Tyler, Dave, Ross live meal deal.
• 3:14:46
  No, it's bad wolf. And then he cranks up that
• 3:14:51
  Murray gold track from Series 3. All the strange strange creakers
• 3:14:54
  the, the and then Suddenly this Bruce acceleration of Graham
• 3:15:00
  Harper, lots of lovely running outside in the cameras, in Bad
• 3:15:09
  Wolf, bad wolf, bad wolf, more energy, more energy, more energy
• 3:15:12
  and then it's on the Tardis and they even spell it out.
• 3:15:14
  Letter for letter b, a d w, o l, f Bad Wolf.
• 3:15:20
  And then they head inside in the console rooms.
• 3:15:21
  Got this, hellish red lighting and The Cloister of bells,
• 3:15:25
  ringing and Doctor, what's bad wolf antenna?
• 3:15:28
  Just goes, it's the year. Just fucking brilliant.
• 3:15:35
  So it's going through its going through from Daniel Lee.
• 3:15:39
  Are you putting it through? How do you follow that?
• 3:15:42
  That's Well actually I can only agree, it's a winner.
• 3:15:52
  It's an absolute and it has to go through for free reasons.
• 3:15:55
  Number one, being the Catherine Tate Show.
• 3:15:57
  AKA, that's the way to do it turn left.
• 3:16:01
  As one in the eye, for all of those people who wrote off
• 3:16:04
  Catherine Tate when she was announced as a full-time
• 3:16:07
  companion, she's goby. They cried, she's like a balloon
• 3:16:11
  of china shop. They Wilt she'll never be as
• 3:16:13
  good as Matthew or house. No one for know, I'll admit as a
• 3:16:18
  result of daughter having never met the doctor to the defense
• 3:16:21
  and fold. Here she has all these things.
• 3:16:24
  She's a harsh full on and at times and sensitive prisoners in
• 3:16:28
  the story. She's Catherine tight.
• 3:16:30
  Yes. She's made on this podcast.
• 3:16:35
  From Lee bowling Roku Mussolini and resorting to Lazy Regional
• 3:16:40
  stereotyping. But we also see Captain Tate
• 3:16:43
  opening up the character to Encompass fear of Despair and
• 3:16:46
  heroism. Reference Tyler playing the part
• 3:16:49
  of a substitute doctor towards the end of the episode.
• 3:16:51
  The warmer caring and selfish act expects of donor or brought
• 3:16:56
  to the four ultimately ending, with her willing, to lay down
• 3:16:59
  her life, for the greater Goods with if you're pardon the pun
• 3:17:02
  and Noble, sacrifice at the end of the story, I collapsed the
• 3:17:05
  alternate timeline and restore the university, how it should
• 3:17:08
  be, we get around it. Picture of what I talented actor
• 3:17:12
  is and exactly what she brings to the show and bucket feels.
• 3:17:16
  Okay, dropping 45 minutes about the show's lead character Everly
• 3:17:20
  covered by tea and he goes turns funny reflective sad and hopeful
• 3:17:25
  a master class. Who doesn't love a tiger in 45
• 3:17:28
  minutes? I never said, too far.
• 3:17:38
  Second Point. Rosie's returning, beautiful.
• 3:17:41
  That's weird. Normally Atomic character in
• 3:17:47
  Doctor Who dropped in. The story is a functionality
• 3:17:50
  piece, little more than a device to move a story along, but
• 3:17:53
  totally gives us the return of one.
• 3:17:55
  Billy Paul Piper known to us. In this universe is Rose, Tyler.
• 3:18:00
  The Russians from certain fans at the time that Billy's
• 3:18:02
  performance is often a set episode that she'd somehow
• 3:18:05
  forgotten to play how to play Rose.
• 3:18:07
  But she was never going to play the roles that we last Saw.
• 3:18:11
  But there's a smart and talented enough performer to know that
• 3:18:15
  she can possibly play the same rules that we left behind the
• 3:18:18
  bad wolf Bay. She's been stranded in a
• 3:18:20
  parallel universe and knowing countless things that have
• 3:18:24
  altered their personality witnessed in the pellet, but
• 3:18:28
  sorry, witnessing the challenge, the potential collapse of
• 3:18:30
  reality. As we know what did that person?
• 3:18:33
  We got a more No Nonsense slightly hardened version of
• 3:18:36
  rows here as a result of the environment you know finds
• 3:18:39
  himself in and they need to get back to her best friend,
• 3:18:42
  regardless of what it takes. She's seen things and being all
• 3:18:47
  this without words, indeed to be uttered.
• 3:18:49
  I'm no fan of the 10th doctor and was paying in series 2.
• 3:18:52
  But even I was the lady to see her back from the moment she
• 3:18:55
  appears in partners and trying and a twisted.
• 3:18:57
  None of us saw coming to the moment, but she's back where she
• 3:19:01
  started off stranded at the end of the series, Billy doesn't
• 3:19:05
  miss a Beat. And with two words, just two on
• 3:19:09
  Heritage to us words and a final few minutes of Tom left, she
• 3:19:13
  gives us one of the most exciting heart, pounding
• 3:19:15
  Cliffhangers of the more than CDs.
• 3:19:17
  Welcome Back Billy. He I'm finally just a quick run
• 3:19:23
  around off the point. Number three.
• 3:19:24
  Turn Right Said Fred. They're all this is not to say
• 3:19:29
  that aren't flaws in it. The suit Rose, essentially
• 3:19:32
  asking Donna to go back in time and sacrifice ourself in the
• 3:19:35
  same as our own. Dad.
• 3:19:36
  Didn't follow their seems curiously on investigated here
• 3:19:40
  Unless it's not even begin to ask how Dona Sylvia and wealth
• 3:19:43
  can witness the nuclear destruction of the city of
• 3:19:46
  London seemingly well within the blast zone without the hair
• 3:19:49
  falling out. Leaving them looking like a
• 3:19:52
  Right Said Fred, tribute Act But these are small, fire issues and
• 3:19:56
  summary turn left shows us how even simple seemingly
• 3:20:00
  insignificant choices on consciously made can lead us
• 3:20:03
  down paths in our lives. We never thought possible.
• 3:20:05
  It's a spirit and essence of thought through taking and told
• 3:20:09
  him a new way, explains his Spirit, they be good or bad at
• 3:20:12
  all. Was just their own.
• 3:20:13
  The corner waiting to be brought into play at the top of a coin,
• 3:20:16
  or a decision made without a second thought.
• 3:20:18
  Every day can offer Adventure would just have to later happen.
• 3:20:22
  Tongue left is a masterpiece are truly unique episode of Doctor
• 3:20:27
  Who the hosted attention throughout and leads us into
• 3:20:29
  perhaps and was exciting series finale lead and of the modern
• 3:20:32
  era, I played with the it through here.
• 3:20:39
  All right, Joe, how do you follow that?
• 3:20:43
  Oh, I'm not gonna really um I mean, I can't really say
• 3:20:46
  anything better than what they've said.
• 3:20:49
  All I'll say is that the new series may have packed may as
• 3:20:52
  well. A packed up at this point
• 3:20:54
  because it never ever got better than this again and it was never
• 3:20:58
  as good as this before. This this is my favorite single
• 3:21:01
  piece of Doctor Who of all time and it barely has the doctor in
• 3:21:06
  it and I don't care. I think this is the best
• 3:21:09
  written, the best directed and the best acted piece of Doctor
• 3:21:14
  Who we have ever been handed. I'm just two things really
• 3:21:18
  because you've covered loads of stuff, but there's two things
• 3:21:19
  that haven't been mentioned that I've just got to mention and
• 3:21:22
  that is Donna in the circle with that stupid beat, Lord, I back
• 3:21:26
  the fear and the anger that you speak coming out of a mouth and
• 3:21:35
  she astonishing in that scene and it's ridiculous, right?
• 3:21:39
  That people look like a backpack.
• 3:21:40
  Yes. The one bit just kills me every
• 3:21:46
  time. It's when you know, the music's
• 3:21:49
  Rising, the mirrors are going and she's their back on her
• 3:21:53
  fellow. Fix back to normal and harpoon's
• 3:21:56
  out. She's like, So cool.
• 3:22:23
  I'm not. Just fall apart laughing at that
• 3:22:37
  point it just everything works here.
• 3:22:39
  Everything works. All the performers you say are
• 3:22:41
  just Sublime. It's the best penultimate
• 3:22:46
  episode we ever had. The leading is phenomenal for
• 3:22:49
  the falling. Even the next time trailer is
• 3:22:51
  the most exciting. Next time.
• 3:22:53
  Trailer we ever like fate of black.
• 3:22:55
  Fates of like, yes, brilliant. This is Peak Doctor Who in terms
• 3:22:58
  of the quality of the episode itself but it's also peaked
• 3:23:01
  Doctor Who in the fact that it captured the nation.
• 3:23:05
  It's as good as everybody thought it was fucking how
• 3:23:09
  Catherine Tate is amazingly good in this all the rest of it.
• 3:23:13
  Tight is extraordinary. Yeah, of course put it through
• 3:23:17
  It through, right? So Oh, what can I find the
• 3:23:21
  complain about on this episode lots, I'm sure you liar.
• 3:23:26
  I mean, I think it is In danger becoming a bit self-consciously
• 3:23:32
  a points and, you know, oh, look.
• 3:23:35
  Look how clever the doctor is even the universe and look at
• 3:23:37
  all these. That's and oh, yeah.
• 3:23:39
  I think that's probably the only thing, really, you guys have
• 3:23:43
  covered everything else. And joy said, you know, this is
• 3:23:47
  the best poodle episode with wherever I mean, pull up episode
• 3:23:50
  should be this good. This should be the theft little
• 3:23:55
  one up to the finale. It should be the movies, Bouche.
• 3:24:00
  You know, the the palate cleanser, it should be the
• 3:24:02
  little little sore be that you have before you get in the
• 3:24:06
  Russell. Never does that.
• 3:24:07
  Bad wolf is fantastic. I'll be a ghost is even better.
• 3:24:11
  Sound a drums. He's extraordinary turn left.
• 3:24:14
  He's magnificent. Yeah, but he has sort of Fear as
• 3:24:19
  well. It's not my episode.
• 3:24:23
  I'm recording you to the cow neighbors.
• 3:24:25
  Turn that that's the third. So this is the third last
• 3:24:28
  episode as well as the panel but story before the finale.
• 3:24:31
  But this is literally a leading to that.
• 3:24:33
  It's a three-part finale this. It's a bit of a dog gets.
• 3:24:36
  So as utopia sewtopia I was good.
• 3:24:40
  Utopia is incredible as well. Yes well no, it's amazing as
• 3:24:45
  well. I said the Cliffhanger of Utopia
• 3:24:48
  I think still tops this one but it's really close.
• 3:24:51
  You know, how does closing time do?
• 3:24:56
  We go again, we're not talking about that one.
• 3:25:00
  So no, it's it's you know, I've banged on and on and on and on
• 3:25:05
  about how same in steel and on a much of this series, but
• 3:25:11
  Finally. something absolutely new and exciting and A concept
• 3:25:18
  that we just haven't seen done properly before.
• 3:25:21
  Yes, we've had Inferno and we've all had an eyepatch, haven't we
• 3:25:25
  and but You know, to be going. The idea of parallel universes
• 3:25:32
  in exploring it now and like in the penultimate episode, I mean
• 3:25:36
  who does that Russell Russell does.
• 3:25:38
  It's, it's a testament to the guys genius because ultimate I
• 3:25:42
  have an ads much of a chance to see many nice things about
• 3:25:45
  Russell. So far, you know I've said lots
• 3:25:47
  of nice things about Moffat my podcast and career.
• 3:25:49
  I really haven't had a chance to to Big Lots up and this is one
• 3:25:53
  of the the big moments, you know?
• 3:25:54
  It's He gets the plot right for once. more than anything, you
• 3:26:00
  know, he gets that end and absolutely Nails on where, yeah,
• 3:26:05
  it's it's You know, it's not a sacrifice and Donna has to make
• 3:26:11
  that sacrifice and then we'll have that cliff.
• 3:26:12
  And you know that the plot is fantastic for once, you know,
• 3:26:16
  and it's really, really interesting to have that.
• 3:26:18
  What if element to it? Let's say well actually, yes,
• 3:26:21
  what if we talked the doctor about and I would love to see a
• 3:26:27
  version of this story where it's what happens, if Donna?
• 3:26:30
  Did. As it were but it's you know,
• 3:26:33
  it's more interested in a focus on don't know.
• 3:26:36
  See you know what happens if we take the doctor out of the
• 3:26:38
  universe and how he's bad things happen?
• 3:26:40
  How does that affect? The the companion rather than
• 3:26:44
  say the doctor and it's just a brilliant idea.
• 3:26:47
  It's brilliantly, well executed, and A couple of other things to
• 3:26:51
  pick on with taught about that scene with Sylvia and Donna, and
• 3:26:54
  where, you know, Sylvia's in the foreground and donors in the,
• 3:26:57
  and the background that contrast saw beautifully with partners in
• 3:27:02
  crime where we'll have a similar scene where Donna is the one in
• 3:27:06
  the foreground being despondent and Silas kind of, you know,
• 3:27:10
  bustling around. Yeah, you know, that, that
• 3:27:13
  contrast between the two is, is really interesting.
• 3:27:16
  I think and Rules Taylor. Or doctor who she is in this
• 3:27:22
  essentially, she plays the role of the doctor in this, you know,
• 3:27:27
  she's got, she's even got a leather jacket.
• 3:27:29
  Yeah. And she's got that same sort of
• 3:27:34
  40 hours about you know she does this a lot.
• 3:27:37
  You know, she never told us there's a name it's like oh how
• 3:27:44
  do we know this is gonna work? And she says just like the
• 3:27:47
  doctor. Yeah, we don't.
• 3:27:48
  Oh and ultimately I mean the most probably the most stocked.
• 3:27:53
  Wish thing is Davos will tell us in a couple of weeks, she sends
• 3:27:56
  Donuts death yeah, you know, she She tricks her essentially, you
• 3:28:02
  know, you know she Maneuvers I went to position and sends her
• 3:28:06
  off and it's so it's so doctor ish that I think that's a really
• 3:28:09
  clever Powell. I think I wonder what it says
• 3:28:11
  about And these stories that like 73 yards where I think
• 3:28:16
  Russell does so well. In telling a story Doctor, Who
• 3:28:20
  story without Doctor, Who in it that, you know, these are some
• 3:28:23
  of the best, the best ones, he's written, and but 100% And I will
• 3:28:28
  stick this through because I just think it is a terror and
• 3:28:30
  achievement of character work and plot work in. every, you
• 3:28:37
  know, acting everything we've said, and Chuckling King.
• 3:28:41
  I will see if you want a fantastic performance from her.
• 3:28:44
  Then please go and check out the big finish audio Adventure that
• 3:28:47
  the legend of Baba. Yaga.
• 3:28:48
  Oh just in the fugitive doctor. First box set.
• 3:28:52
  She is unreal in the completely. What she's in as well.
• 3:28:57
  She's going down one right big fish before this. and I haven't
• 3:29:02
  any of those others, but I did Cover and The legend of Bobby.
• 3:29:07
  I got honor, honestly, she was gonna Brown companion
• 3:29:11
  Chronicles. Well yeah, I didn't realize it
• 3:29:14
  was hurt until the credit rule said and she's with Jacoby in
• 3:29:19
  the Unbound story deadline that's why you Yeah, I'm just
• 3:29:22
  here and you get these older than you.
• 3:29:28
  He's memory goes. Okay, I'll be smart people on
• 3:29:31
  their ideas. Although Fraser I've got a site
• 3:29:34
  you know you started out there of like finally something
• 3:29:36
  original when the season I can't wait till you say out tired and
• 3:29:40
  miserable midnight. Then if this is the part of the
• 3:29:43
  Season work that you absolutely are on board.
• 3:29:45
  Well it's just ticked over hasn't it?
• 3:29:48
  It's just ticked over and bitten it.
• 3:29:50
  Yeah. Almost for the audience it's
• 3:30:01
  three past midnight as So yes, so we know that is midnight.
• 3:30:06
  We know it is, Daniel won't lead to cover it.
• 3:30:09
  Said, Daniel. Is it what it's me?
• 3:30:12
  He's right. In not always gonna follow you
• 3:30:17
  after you're in or out of the airlock for midnight.
• 3:30:26
  Oh okay, I think this is my favorite Russell TV script, this
• 3:30:32
  all turn left, like I go back and forth.
• 3:30:34
  I think as a writer he's got such a Fascination, a study of
• 3:30:39
  people's behavior. How people Behave and just the
• 3:30:43
  energy of this script it goes from Comedy to horror to drama.
• 3:30:48
  No Tardis. No companion.
• 3:30:50
  One single claustrophobic setting eight characters.
• 3:30:54
  No fancy effects. Very little sci-fi jargon.
• 3:30:58
  I think we just get the Exotic sense sunlight and stuff like
• 3:31:01
  that. I just good old-fashioned human
• 3:31:04
  psychology. It's very simple idea to just
• 3:31:09
  repeating the lines of other characters and absorbing their
• 3:31:12
  very voice. And once the tension ramps up as
• 3:31:15
  very, very little in the way of transitioning or breaks or
• 3:31:19
  breaks in the action. So you're literally trapped here
• 3:31:21
  with these characters. So what's I'm kind of I'm
• 3:31:27
  already anticipating, what some of the comments are going to be
• 3:31:29
  where they'll say, Midnight's one of those episodes which
• 3:31:33
  subverts everything to show usually does and is all about
• 3:31:37
  how we humans are all awful. So so I mean I've talked about
• 3:31:42
  how much of a prick the doctor was in the sontaran two-parter
• 3:31:46
  and how he's the man who never would in the doctor's daughter.
• 3:31:50
  You think of how God like David Tennant was at the end of Series
• 3:31:55
  3, where he was literally flying around like a superhero, and
• 3:31:59
  just how he is here, where they strip him of his Heroes status
• 3:32:03
  and he's just helpless and humiliated and, you know, the
• 3:32:08
  doctors supposed to be the one who takes control.
• 3:32:10
  He's the cleverest person in the room and that actually works
• 3:32:14
  against him. Here he's desperate, he's
• 3:32:16
  arrogant. All his usual tricks.
• 3:32:19
  All the things, the doctor usually does, don't work the
• 3:32:23
  fact that he Assumes moral superiority just because he
• 3:32:26
  thinks it's his right to do. So here's lazy.
• 3:32:29
  John Smith sued in him. It's all completely useless.
• 3:32:34
  And there's no monster in this. They're the the there's no
• 3:32:38
  monster of the week. It's this invisible unknowable
• 3:32:40
  force and, you know, we human beings who are the doctors
• 3:32:46
  favorite species who are indomitable who are?
• 3:32:48
  So often championed, especially in in the modern series about
• 3:32:52
  the world, how these amazing inspirational creatures who are
• 3:32:57
  capable of so much here. We're so selfish.
• 3:33:04
  Characters turn out to be the inverse of who they appear to
• 3:33:34
  be. So you have Jeffrey, you know,
• 3:33:37
  The Moody Moody emo teenager. He's the first person to He's
• 3:33:43
  the first person to be delighted at how, you know, they've broken
• 3:33:46
  down in the middle of nowhere and then he's the first person
• 3:33:51
  to rationalize the thread while the so called Professor Hobbs.
• 3:33:54
  He keeps denying it. You have DD who's so sweet and
• 3:33:59
  smart but she uses that smart brain of hers to come up with
• 3:34:03
  the logistics of that. Well, how can we actually throw
• 3:34:06
  someone overboard? You have, you know, Biff Cain
• 3:34:10
  and Val Kane? So you know the pool is abstract
• 3:34:14
  which I think it's the name of another podcast but anyway and
• 3:34:20
  how here's such a bully and a thug, you know he can feel the
• 3:34:24
  sort of the threat of violence when he when he starts getting
• 3:34:28
  scared and losing his mind a bit.
• 3:34:29
  But the two characters I want to focus on is is vowel and the
• 3:34:34
  hostess so Val Lindsay Colson is an absolute monster where he is
• 3:34:42
  She is terrified. I mean, we first meet her as
• 3:34:46
  just like we meet all the other characters, these kind of
• 3:34:49
  archetypes. So she's the, the typical mother
• 3:34:52
  rolling her eyes at Jeffrey. Who is it kind of embarrassed to
• 3:34:55
  be seen with them laughing at the family and it don't?
• 3:34:58
  And then you you get that first slight sliver of contempt
• 3:35:05
  towards Sort of challenging Authority when when Jethro asked
• 3:35:10
  the professor. Well, how do you know if the
• 3:35:12
  surface of midnight is uninhabitable or not?
• 3:35:14
  And she's like, always imagination, here we go.
• 3:35:17
  And then when the hit when the shit hits the fan, she's the
• 3:35:22
  very first person to escalate the situation, where, you know,
• 3:35:26
  how when Professor Hobbs says, well, how much are have we got
• 3:35:29
  left? And she's like, wait, are we
• 3:35:30
  running out of there and she's immediately changes what he said
• 3:35:34
  and and just escalates everything.
• 3:35:36
  And as soon as Sky Leslie, Sharps starts repeating.
• 3:35:42
  Everyone, she's constantly relying on everyone else, but
• 3:35:46
  never actually confronting Sky herself.
• 3:35:49
  So, she keeps telling her husband, Biff, make her stop,
• 3:35:53
  she's driving me mad, and she's always Shifting the, the
• 3:35:57
  responsibility to other people. And when the Witch Hunt starts
• 3:36:03
  against against the doctor, she's the one, she's the ring.
• 3:36:06
  Leader. She's driving the conversation.
• 3:36:08
  She's Whispering all these little sort of microaggressions.
• 3:36:11
  Oh like, you're so special. And when tenant says as it
• 3:36:15
  happens, yes, I am. And fueling the sort of distrust
• 3:36:21
  of the others against him. I still gasp actually, when the,
• 3:36:24
  when tenant says. I'm just, I'm just traveling.
• 3:36:27
  I'm just a traveler and she can immigrant like an immigrant.
• 3:36:29
  They, oh my God. So she needs to be right.
• 3:36:34
  She needs to point the finger of blame at someone and so she
• 3:36:39
  starts manipulating everyone around her so she insults her
• 3:36:42
  husband's manhood at the end where she's like, don't be so
• 3:36:44
  useless, do something and is so contemptuous towards her son,
• 3:36:50
  who when he starts getting really scared and vulnerable and
• 3:36:54
  she's all, you keep out of this death row.
• 3:36:55
  Um, you know, you saw, you saw a person, Tim didn't you don't be
• 3:36:58
  stupid Jeffery. Of course you did.
• 3:37:02
  And then when did he tries to speak out against her?
• 3:37:04
  She turns on her. She goes oh, you'll be you next
• 3:37:08
  So she so we there's a lot of out voices in this in this
• 3:37:12
  episode and she becomes this constant domineering voice
• 3:37:16
  especially when they dragged the doctor out, the door towards the
• 3:37:20
  end, like throwing out, get him out, throw him out.
• 3:37:23
  And then of course once the hostess saves the day and
• 3:37:26
  sacrifices herself, she has to say the line that we all
• 3:37:30
  remember which is I said it was her.
• 3:37:33
  So even then she's Shifting the blame.
• 3:37:36
  She wants to be on The Winning Side.
• 3:37:38
  She wants to be right. I was so frightening about now.
• 3:37:43
  She's so plausible. I think that that is such a
• 3:37:46
  problem. Yeah, to like that kind of
• 3:37:50
  panic. In that situation, I know people
• 3:37:54
  like that. You know, that would absolutely
• 3:37:55
  stop pointing the finger and stirring people up and getting
• 3:37:59
  people to behave violently, it's so frightening.
• 3:38:02
  Yeah, yeah. And one part because it doesn't
• 3:38:06
  she scared normal person, that's what she is.
• 3:38:11
  Well, this and this and this is an interesting thing.
• 3:38:12
  Actually, I've seen on like you you sometimes come across these
• 3:38:16
  Doctor Who reaction videos when they get to midnight.
• 3:38:19
  Sorry. No.
• 3:38:20
  When they get to midnight, you have all the because it's kind
• 3:38:24
  of performative. And they have to play a
• 3:38:26
  character because they're on YouTube.
• 3:38:27
  They, they kind of acts like all these characters are so stupid.
• 3:38:31
  I would never do that. And you think really go on
• 3:38:35
  public transport and see when a fight breaks out?
• 3:38:37
  And are you actually gonna step up and do something or you just
• 3:38:41
  gonna shrink in like everyone else's because no one wants to
• 3:38:44
  get involved. It's a very human reaction.
• 3:38:45
  It's a very instinctive reaction, I work with the
• 3:38:47
  public. I see it.
• 3:38:48
  Yeah, yeah, exactly. And he's got such a meas.
• 3:38:52
  Far. Um, and but the other character,
• 3:38:57
  of course, is the hostess so Reiki Iola, I think.
• 3:39:00
  Yeah. Who's brilliant?
• 3:39:01
  She she is really interesting how Russell writes that as sort
• 3:39:07
  of this key, Component to the script, where she's the one who
• 3:39:12
  pushes the plot along. She's the one who ramps up the
• 3:39:15
  tension at sort of quite specific moments.
• 3:39:18
  And then she does this sort of sudden about which sort of saves
• 3:39:21
  the day, there's someone. So Frazer talked a lot about
• 3:39:25
  plots in turn left and it got me thinking about this writer, this
• 3:39:30
  science fiction writer, who's actually called Daniel.
• 3:39:32
  Daniel Keyes Moran, I think who said, plot and character of
• 3:39:38
  virtually the same thing or something like that and I think
• 3:39:41
  Midnight's a great example of that because at the start of the
• 3:39:44
  story the hostess is like this very purely functional
• 3:39:48
  character. She's there to welcome the
• 3:39:50
  passengers, aboard the pleasure trip, you know ladies and
• 3:39:52
  gentlemen and variations there upon which is my favorite
• 3:39:55
  greeting and we can guess from the way she acts that it's not
• 3:40:00
  really a job, she enjoys she's a kind of an auto pilot and so
• 3:40:05
  when the doctor tries to engage her in conversation she kind of
• 3:40:08
  very polite but it weary and she just wants to get on with her
• 3:40:11
  job. But she notices the catchphrase,
• 3:40:14
  you know, Alan Z and then she says, oh fascinating, but that's
• 3:40:18
  a clue for later. Which is what Clues her into
• 3:40:21
  weight. You know, she's taking his
• 3:40:23
  voice. And the moment when the danger
• 3:40:27
  starts, that's when everyone starts acknowledging, the
• 3:40:29
  hostess who they didn't invite to take part in this group
• 3:40:32
  conversation at the beginning where they were getting friendly
• 3:40:34
  and she's not invited. Even the doctor doesn't invite
• 3:40:37
  her to take part, which I think is quite interesting and she's
• 3:40:41
  completely out of her death, but and she doesn't know any more
• 3:40:43
  than they do, but they're already pushing her into this
• 3:40:46
  position of authority and even blaming her a bit.
• 3:40:48
  There's Leslie sharp is to her don't just stand there.
• 3:40:51
  Telling us the rules, you're the hostess you're supposed to do
• 3:40:54
  something. And then of course that scene at
• 3:40:58
  the back of the bus, which seems to go on for about 30 minutes
• 3:41:01
  because it's so tense where the human characters reveal what
• 3:41:05
  they're thinking. And she plays this pivotal role
• 3:41:07
  of influencing everyone's opinion.
• 3:41:09
  She becomes their voice. She's the one who says or
• 3:41:13
  everyone else is thinking and everyone agrees.
• 3:41:15
  So, you know, I throw out. Yes.
• 3:41:17
  So would I so would I and she falls back on her job
• 3:41:20
  description to justify murdering Skies.
• 3:41:23
  So it's my job to see that this vessel is safe.
• 3:41:26
  And so the doctor challenges her and the group goes silent.
• 3:41:31
  And then she's like, yeah, I would throw someone actually
• 3:41:33
  someone. I actually she doubles down on
• 3:41:35
  it and everyone probably go for, you know, every time she does
• 3:41:39
  that say It's, it's insane. And um, the the Yeah, it's it's
• 3:41:49
  this kind of false loyalty that they this woman that they never
• 3:41:52
  paid attention to. And suddenly, because she's
• 3:41:55
  voicing Their Fear, they, they kind of latch onto her not out
• 3:42:00
  of respect, but out of fear, a word for David Tennant.
• 3:42:04
  Because I mean, I I've talked about him, but I haven't
• 3:42:07
  actually talked about its performance.
• 3:42:08
  I mean, he's on fire here. It's is, you know, the
• 3:42:11
  arrogance, the ego, the Glee that we see in all the other
• 3:42:14
  doctor whose stories when he discovers danger.
• 3:42:17
  But here, it's just because it's written in slightly different
• 3:42:20
  way and you've got other characters reacting in a
• 3:42:23
  different way to it, and because he doesn't have a companion to
• 3:42:26
  bounce off of. it just becomes very Annoying.
• 3:42:32
  And Yeah. And and so when he's slowly
• 3:42:39
  being taken over by the the know the unknowable entity towards
• 3:42:43
  the end, he is like he's acting twice at once because his body
• 3:42:47
  is saying one thing where it's sort of stiff and cold his voice
• 3:42:50
  is repeating but then his eyes are going like, help me help me,
• 3:42:53
  help me. You can just see it in his face.
• 3:42:55
  I don't think it's an accident. Either that, the two women of
• 3:43:00
  color in. The cast, are the ones who put
• 3:43:02
  two and two together at the end and they're dismissed and
• 3:43:05
  demeaned by everybody else. There's this amazing couple of
• 3:43:09
  shots where the hostess is in is sort of isolated alone in the
• 3:43:13
  frame and she tries to sort of boost DD's reasoning where
• 3:43:18
  Deanie Didi has come up with, you know, her Theory as to why
• 3:43:21
  we shouldn't trust this guy woman and all the other
• 3:43:24
  characters, then it cuts to a shot of all the other passengers
• 3:43:28
  grouped together, sort of all grouped together, all against
• 3:43:32
  our glaring at her. Like, you know, what do you
• 3:43:34
  know, fat, lot of good, you've been So they shut her down its
• 3:43:37
  she's others by them. It's like it's very tribal.
• 3:43:40
  Um, but yeah, and this comes to my third point and, which is so
• 3:43:45
  we although Midnight's often celebrated as oh it's such a
• 3:43:49
  dark doctor, whose story. It's it subverts Doctor Who and
• 3:43:53
  it shows humans to be awful and everything.
• 3:43:55
  But when the sky creature is egging on the rest of the group
• 3:44:00
  to throw the doctor out DD and this Hostess start behaving,
• 3:44:05
  like the doctor. They noticed the flaws in her
• 3:44:08
  reasoning. It her story.
• 3:44:10
  They look objectively at the evidence of evidence.
• 3:44:12
  It's a very sudden turnaround at the end, but because the two
• 3:44:16
  women of listened to what the doctors been saying all through
• 3:44:19
  the episode. It's it's very crucial.
• 3:44:22
  So when, when the hostess sacrifices herself, you can read
• 3:44:26
  it sort of several ways, maybe she's still clinging to her Duty
• 3:44:30
  as a professional maybe she feels guilty because she stoked
• 3:44:34
  tensions against the doctor earlier, or you can see it as
• 3:44:37
  just the series itself, going back to its basic shape of the
• 3:44:42
  story needs someone to be the doctor.
• 3:44:46
  And if he's out of action or if he's usual strategies, don't
• 3:44:50
  work. Someone else has to step up just
• 3:44:52
  like rose did in the Christmas Invasion, just like she did in
• 3:44:55
  turn left as we've discussed just like Martha did in last of
• 3:44:58
  the time Lords. So it's almost like the very
• 3:45:01
  presence of the doctor, inspires, even the most scared,
• 3:45:07
  Prejudice people to be better, people to be brave to be smart
• 3:45:11
  to give up their lives to save others and the tragedy of it is
• 3:45:16
  that she's Never. Recognized for it because she
• 3:45:20
  dies and no one even remembers their name, her name.
• 3:45:24
  Sorry. And so in a way it proves why
• 3:45:29
  the doctor loves humans so much and the there's that
• 3:45:34
  determination to find the heroic in the, in the everyday, which
• 3:45:39
  is what Doctor Who is all about. So in trying to be the most
• 3:45:43
  undoctor, whose story ever, it actually is just another example
• 3:45:48
  of what doctor who celebrates. So they go now.
• 3:45:53
  Tell me I'm wrong. Oh Fraser well I'm not gonna
• 3:45:59
  tell you you're wrong. Let's see if anyone in the
• 3:46:01
  comments is. Paul's mine starts us off.
• 3:46:06
  He says. My favorite new, Who episode
• 3:46:09
  David Tennant does, some does some times get criticism for his
• 3:46:14
  performance. But in this story, he is
• 3:46:15
  magnificent very scary and claustrophobic amazing.
• 3:46:21
  Big orange. Michael is back in our favors.
• 3:46:24
  He says, if not for Blink, this would be the best companion
• 3:46:27
  light episode of the RTD era. And actually showcased that
• 3:46:31
  feels like classic Who imagination of fills in the
• 3:46:33
  blanks in ways affects never can in all the right ways, keep it.
• 3:46:42
  You got your fun fair. And Jim's Lock James.
• 3:46:49
  Only person in the world. Who doesn't love midnight?
• 3:46:51
  Know you're not James. No, he's not.
• 3:46:53
  I can see. It's obviously he's because not
• 3:46:57
  obvious, though. But as a whole, it's like a
• 3:47:00
  pretentious bit of Fringe theater.
• 3:47:03
  One with the first Custer but still a series of tricks and
• 3:47:08
  effects all Sound and Fury signifying.
• 3:47:10
  Nothing. It's funny he mentions this
• 3:47:14
  French theater because there is actually in 2016.
• 3:47:17
  They in Australia, they did a midnight as a play, I think.
• 3:47:22
  Yeah. Which he can fight.
• 3:47:24
  I think there's a new story about it.
• 3:47:25
  You can find, I tried to find footage of it.
• 3:47:28
  I couldn't Danielle Noyes, says both brilliant and horrifying,
• 3:47:32
  we'd all like to think we'd be heroic in an adventure with the
• 3:47:35
  doctor. But how many of us would
• 3:47:37
  probably be like this bunch of a-holes?
• 3:47:39
  A clever subversion of a base Under Siege story, where the
• 3:47:43
  doctor isn't the Savior for once.
• 3:47:47
  We have a universal event next. One of the best episodes of
• 3:47:52
  Doctor Who ever. It's claustrophobic, it's
• 3:47:55
  psychological. It's very Lord of the Flies as
• 3:47:59
  normal people make terrible decisions because they're
• 3:48:02
  frightened and the doctor without his voice.
• 3:48:05
  Terrifying. Oh dear, Paul Quinn.
• 3:48:08
  Oh here we go. Midnight.
• 3:48:11
  Joins the pantheon of beloved doctor whose stories that leave
• 3:48:14
  me cold, even more overrated than human nature, family of
• 3:48:19
  blood which are about. Yeah, it'll be new you next.
• 3:48:24
  It doesn't at least have the doctors punishment of the family
• 3:48:28
  and Jones joined the races. I feel midnight is a cramp cheap
• 3:48:33
  production. Who script needs a further edit?
• 3:48:36
  All we're not talking about human nature.
• 3:48:39
  Fight you've had that opportunity?
• 3:48:40
  Can we just exercise the word cheap from from vocabulary?
• 3:48:45
  Like it's Doctor Who it's cheap. Of course.
• 3:48:48
  It's cheap. Oh, loves Underworld for.
• 3:48:50
  Fuck sakes. All the best people do anyhow.
• 3:48:56
  Kevin's, keeps it simple. Simple.
• 3:49:00
  But scary Oscar Groucho is back. Doing his wonderfully, poetic
• 3:49:06
  reading Samuel Beckett, play wrapped in genre, trappings some
• 3:49:11
  of rtd's most nuanced character work and an entirely masterful
• 3:49:15
  deconstruction of the lead, more in common with Rod Sterling and
• 3:49:20
  Terry Nation. Gosh, muck Lee Newby comes along
• 3:49:24
  to see a midnight is arguably the Masterpiece of the RTD era.
• 3:49:28
  A perfectly pitched horror story of how paranoia and fear make
• 3:49:32
  people in the monsters, played out with Incredible, sound
• 3:49:35
  design and editing in two of the best performances in the show
• 3:49:39
  from tenant and sharp. It.
• 3:49:42
  Who did my commentary on this? Says, I love the design but
• 3:49:45
  basically that's all I can say. It's got going for it.
• 3:49:48
  It's always struck me as a random group of adults arguing.
• 3:49:52
  And the character of Sky just looks like a drunk lady in the
• 3:49:55
  corner, all so tenants starts crying at a wall like that would
• 3:50:00
  never did anything to you. Thanks someone has missed the
• 3:50:05
  point. he's a young man Fraser What about your men this
• 3:50:10
  evening? He's older than he is.
• 3:50:14
  Well, anyhow Paul Kresser, not a bad little claustrophobic
• 3:50:19
  episodes but for me, it's so far from Bean.
• 3:50:21
  Don't like, sorry, I've just realized the already of you
• 3:50:26
  saying that someone else's missed the point.
• 3:50:28
  Jason Thompson says, everyone says this is a classic but I
• 3:50:32
  can't stand it. All right, don't find people
• 3:50:35
  getting his people getting hysterical to be compelling to
• 3:50:38
  TV. Just grating to sit through, nor
• 3:50:41
  do I care for a script that basically says people are all
• 3:50:45
  spin. Throw him out.
• 3:50:48
  Get him out for you next. I hope the hell will be goes.
• 3:50:53
  Tim Carter. Nice.
• 3:50:55
  Contrast to the surrounding stories.
• 3:50:57
  There was a genuine atmosphere of dread created by a brilliant
• 3:51:00
  ensemble cast. I really like the way that it's
• 3:51:03
  not fully explained which makes it more unsettling Dolly.
• 3:51:08
  Mama says, midnight is one of the absolute scariest Doctor,
• 3:51:11
  Who episodes, mostly due to its very accurate, portrayal of
• 3:51:15
  human behavior. And what mentality?
• 3:51:18
  James had been Bennett. Doctor Who the stage play in
• 3:51:22
  these days, my highlight of the season.
• 3:51:25
  They smokes 10, shame, the humble and effect didn't last in
• 3:51:29
  a good guest cast. Keep.
• 3:51:32
  Baby. Let's be proud.
• 3:51:32
  A good example of what Doctor Who is capable of when it needs
• 3:51:35
  to save a bit of cash and isolated doctor stuck with some
• 3:51:38
  of the worst people, nice to see the doctors smug.
• 3:51:42
  Self-confidence is almost his downfall.
• 3:51:44
  I like the season. See that's something nice.
• 3:51:48
  Way of saying, cheap say cash? Yeah.
• 3:51:52
  Oh once again, I get the pleasure of reading and
• 3:51:56
  bottomless. Brilliant and correct opinions.
• 3:51:59
  Yes on everything a perfectly structured, Short play is
• 3:52:04
  cynical as anything RTD has ever written for Dr. Who while still
• 3:52:08
  being both funny and terrifying Leslie, Sharpe and David Tennant
• 3:52:12
  together. Are fucking electric turns out
• 3:52:14
  that the real villain was always just the people we met along the
• 3:52:17
  way. No, sorry.
• 3:52:19
  The people who read The Daily Mail.
• 3:52:21
  Oh, he's never been more spot on than that moment.
• 3:52:26
  No one every mountain today, got no.
• 3:52:30
  My mom does but that's she says for the entertainment and I say,
• 3:52:35
  okay wow, it'll be eunuchs. Oh yes.
• 3:52:43
  It's really special, just not one.
• 3:52:46
  I'd ever feel. The urge to read.
• 3:52:48
  Is it wrapping things up? Then it's John Arnold.
• 3:52:51
  RTD strips. This doctor of all his strengths
• 3:52:54
  in prefigures the social media era.
• 3:52:57
  By proving that the power of the mob is the ultimate horror
• 3:53:01
  Tenants descent into, powerlessness is beautifully,
• 3:53:04
  played and Leslie. Shock is probably the great
• 3:53:06
  performance of the era, so I'm going to jump in on this one.
• 3:53:11
  And answer. The question just asked me when
• 3:53:13
  we talked about to the left. Oh, what are you gonna see about
• 3:53:15
  midnight when it comes around? If you've just said, Find
• 3:53:20
  something new. I want to see exactly the same.
• 3:53:22
  Finally, something you Again, a real breath of fresh air from
• 3:53:28
  from Russell. And again, a real chance to sing
• 3:53:33
  the guys, praise is, I think This until next.
• 3:53:36
  Both feel as if he's kind of knows he's coming at the end of
• 3:53:40
  his own. He knows he's hard, he's he's
• 3:53:42
  four years and he's got a few things he wants left to see.
• 3:53:45
  He's got a few stories you want to Left To Tell in his kind of
• 3:53:48
  using the run-up at the end to do things.
• 3:53:51
  We want to have these what if story any wants to do something
• 3:53:56
  really interesting? And with some characters and it
• 3:54:01
  is it is a stage player and you know those austrians have got
• 3:54:05
  it. Absolutely right.
• 3:54:05
  All you need is probably half a dozen chairs.
• 3:54:07
  Yeah. And that's it.
• 3:54:09
  You don't need anything else. Just half a dozen chairs for
• 3:54:11
  people. That's lighting.
• 3:54:12
  Yeah. And you could stage this is a is
• 3:54:16
  a play in its just such a brilliant delve into the side
• 3:54:23
  key of humanity and the idea of putting, you know, offer doesn't
• 3:54:28
  cover as in to A tin can that you can't get out of you know
• 3:54:33
  could be a submarine rather than and it could have been cold war.
• 3:54:37
  Yeah. Oh but you know what it is is
• 3:54:43
  putting those characters in that City Asian and kind of seeing
• 3:54:46
  what develops from it you know, seeing the water and all of
• 3:54:51
  these characters, you know everyone of these characters is
• 3:54:55
  a bit of a Architect. But they are all fleshed out.
• 3:54:59
  See the don't feel like that you've have that wonderful
• 3:55:03
  beginning where the doctor kind of rotates around them.
• 3:55:09
  At the start of the trip and he has a little moment with each
• 3:55:12
  one, which gives you so much depth and so much character.
• 3:55:14
  That's that's what Russell does really well, isn't?
• 3:55:17
  He gives us capture death and sometimes it can feel a little
• 3:55:21
  bit sort of exposition Overlord. That's what he's doing.
• 3:55:26
  Yeah. But with real economy, he's just
• 3:55:27
  setting up the character so that when the Bus stops.
• 3:55:33
  And when they stopped turning on each other and stop turning on
• 3:55:36
  the doctor, you've got a lot of lot of depth.
• 3:55:43
  Your butt. That thing, whatever it is,
• 3:55:49
  killed the driver, and the mechanic.
• 3:55:52
  And I don't think she's finished yet.
• 3:55:53
  She can't even move Joe. And she killed Claude and when
• 3:55:59
  that she still doing it, just stop it.
• 3:56:01
  Stop talking, stop me. The doors.
• 3:56:09
  No one is getting thrown. Out.
• 3:56:20
  Yes, we can because there's an air pressure seal.
• 3:56:24
  Like, when you open the cabin door, you won't pulled out.
• 3:56:26
  You had a couple of seconds because it takes the pressure.
• 3:56:28
  All about six seconds to collapse what?
• 3:56:30
  Six seconds exactly. That's enough time to throw
• 3:56:34
  someone out. Just outside.
• 3:56:39
  I don't know. But she's got a body now.
• 3:56:41
  It was certainly kill the physical.
• 3:56:42
  No one is killing anyone. I wouldn't risk the Covenant or
• 3:56:46
  twice but we need to do is come inside to discover us and what's
• 3:56:54
  it? This little bunch of humans.
• 3:56:58
  What do you mount it? Murder.
• 3:57:01
  This is where you decide you decide who you are.
• 3:57:04
  Could you actually murder any of you?
• 3:57:08
  Really. Are you better than that?
• 3:57:22
  I do it. So would I only I think we
• 3:57:25
  should, I think Scott has all this sort of past history.
• 3:57:29
  She mentions like this, you know, this relationship.
• 3:57:30
  She's just got out but then that suddenly takes quite a sort of
• 3:57:34
  scary turn where, you know, she thinks the entities coming for
• 3:57:38
  her and then she's like, she said, she'd get me.
• 3:57:40
  Yeah, it's a copy. It's I mean it's it's just so I
• 3:57:49
  think a Mercury put together and the character work for the
• 3:57:54
  script and the the direction and you know, every Doctor, Who
• 3:58:00
  Needs a trout, and we've got two in this one and I'll just
• 3:58:03
  troughton who we discussed when we talked about the doctors
• 3:58:06
  daughter and how all of us sudden she goes from that to
• 3:58:10
  this and what an upgrade, what an upgrade.
• 3:58:13
  I mean it's such Tight claustrophobic set but she makes
• 3:58:17
  such good use of it. She finds an angle in pretty
• 3:58:22
  much every corner. Every inch of that set is
• 3:58:26
  exports. You never actually feel You
• 3:58:30
  know, like it is just a stage play even though it really is.
• 3:58:32
  You know, it's just always a different angle there, the
• 3:58:36
  lighting that goes on here, especially of them sky.
• 3:58:40
  And you know, when she's at the front of the bus, having been
• 3:58:43
  possessed by the creature and then when she's at the back and
• 3:58:46
  she's laughing more, and she's lit, you know, lot brighter than
• 3:58:52
  everyone else and and the frame and if David Tennant at the end,
• 3:58:57
  yes, he's crying at the wall head, but crying at the wall,
• 3:59:00
  he's crying because he is absolutely powerless at that
• 3:59:03
  moment. He is you know, singing
• 3:59:06
  Everything stripped from him. He is in the verge of getting
• 3:59:09
  chucked out. And there's not one thing he can
• 3:59:10
  do about it every bit of arrogance.
• 3:59:13
  Every bit of Eagle, everything has been stripped from him and
• 3:59:16
  David attendance before and it's not seen is is just so
• 3:59:21
  masterful, we forget, What was going on at the store?
• 3:59:25
  We forget day of attendant was winning Awards year after year.
• 3:59:28
  It was buffed after buffed. Her doctor who was win and
• 3:59:31
  buffed her after this shows. You exactly why.
• 3:59:34
  It's, none of the teeth good. And An amazing people have
• 3:59:40
  anything. It's stuff like this, which he
• 3:59:42
  can really, really do. He's always matched by Leslie.
• 3:59:45
  Sharp literally face to face. He's she's matching him and, you
• 3:59:50
  know, so she doesn't get enough plot.
• 3:59:51
  It's really for doing that. But it's so scary.
• 3:59:55
  And where did the scares come from?
• 3:59:58
  The scare you initially think is just this thing, which is
• 4:00:02
  knocking. On the tin can.
• 4:00:04
  Yeah. And it's knocking like please
• 4:00:06
  let me in it's not in 14 you know, so much and You know, you
• 4:00:13
  think that's the monster in the monster comes inside and then
• 4:00:16
  you everyone says, oh it's the monster isn't Sky.
• 4:00:21
  The monster is the other characters, they become the
• 4:00:24
  monster but that's not what scary.
• 4:00:26
  What is scary is, what happens with the doctor, how impotent
• 4:00:31
  the doctor becomes the doctor, loses his biggest weapon, which
• 4:00:36
  is his words. He loses his voice, his words
• 4:00:40
  get turned against him. The doctor is the man that goes
• 4:00:45
  in as an inch of every situation.
• 4:00:46
  And one of the shortcomings of the modern series is that it's
• 4:00:50
  had a really accelerate how that happens.
• 4:00:52
  So we now have psychic paper that the doctor walks in and
• 4:00:55
  flashes. Sega Pitman says I am x y z.
• 4:00:58
  So I am automatically in the position of authority that the
• 4:01:01
  classic series would take one or two episodes and have that
• 4:01:04
  luxury of taking a bit of time to have to establish.
• 4:01:06
  Now we walk straight in. So what Russell is do we now is
• 4:01:10
  a very series one thing where he takes these tropes, those
• 4:01:13
  cliches, or whatever these things that we just take for
• 4:01:16
  granted in this series and hold them up and says actually you
• 4:01:21
  know, that's That's it is exactly what it is.
• 4:01:24
  Now, it's, it's a cliche, she says, right?
• 4:01:26
  Okay, so let's take that away from the doctor.
• 4:01:28
  Let's have the doctor in a situation where he is not in
• 4:01:31
  command where he has to convince these people that years and he
• 4:01:35
  can't do it. He that point where he shouts
• 4:01:37
  because I'm clever. Yeah, they lose all respect for
• 4:01:41
  him after that and it's it's such a well scripted.
• 4:01:46
  Well acted, well directed, well performed seen that.
• 4:01:48
  You kills you. It really chills you when when
• 4:01:51
  you realize and the characters reaction to as well, and that's
• 4:01:55
  the really scary. We think it is that the doctor
• 4:01:58
  at the end with out any and hope without anything that can stop
• 4:02:04
  them. Other than The hostess in the
• 4:02:07
  end who twigs and it's just perfect.
• 4:02:10
  It's brilliant. It's it's pure, pure drama and I
• 4:02:15
  love it. It's, you could say, it's
• 4:02:18
  multiple then. It is, you don't worry about the
• 4:02:22
  impotence. I do agree with is terrifying.
• 4:02:25
  I find the mob mentality and the fear in the crowd more
• 4:02:30
  terrifying, because that is a situation.
• 4:02:33
  I could find myself in and I have been in and I agree with
• 4:02:38
  that. But I think the really scary
• 4:02:40
  thing is, you expect that it's not a surprise, it's not
• 4:02:43
  expected from a doctor who story though, notice this intimate.
• 4:02:47
  And but I do I expect that from a drama.
• 4:02:50
  But what I don't expect us to have the doctor.
• 4:02:52
  This person who 60 years has been that savior that hero, that
• 4:02:58
  myth or whatever, that Focus, the one that always gets you out
• 4:03:02
  the trouble. I, I don't expect the doctor to
• 4:03:05
  be sore. Hopeless, so power.
• 4:03:09
  That's what frog in a pan and a slowly turning the heater.
• 4:03:12
  That that's what makes it really how awful for me.
• 4:03:16
  Really scary for me is, is just that You know, the the one
• 4:03:21
  person, the one person you can rely on can't do anything.
• 4:03:26
  That's, that's the real scare for me.
• 4:03:27
  Oh, you do battle me a little bit, you know?
• 4:03:29
  Because, you know, you say at the very start of series 4,
• 4:03:33
  right? You know, but the weakest David
• 4:03:34
  Tennant season and yet you put through partners in crime, you
• 4:03:38
  eventually put through files upon pay.
• 4:03:39
  You put through this on Toronto, you put through the doctors
• 4:03:42
  daughter. You put through the silence
• 4:03:44
  Library, Forest of the Dead. You put through turn left and
• 4:03:47
  midnight and the stolen Earth and Journeys end.
• 4:03:50
  I mean, yeah, that week is it. Yeah, but just imagine what
• 4:03:54
  would happen to have his own three?
• 4:03:55
  Would you put for everything? Simply.
• 4:04:01
  I mean see he's too. I mean that is I think Siri is
• 4:04:04
  my favorite. I think that is the one that I
• 4:04:06
  enjoy the most. I think objectively speaking the
• 4:04:09
  strongest Stories on CBS 2. Oh sorry.
• 4:04:13
  Okay and yeah I mean this this one came in my top 60 which I
• 4:04:22
  finely enough haven't mentioned so she should absolutely go and
• 4:04:25
  read and check out me. And plug. but the one of the
• 4:04:32
  stories in series 2 did end up in the top five.
• 4:04:36
  In fact it was the third three. So anyhow, we're not talking
• 4:04:41
  about Series 2. We're not talking about
• 4:04:42
  seriously, we are talking about series 4.
• 4:04:43
  We have got two votes to keep midnight.
• 4:04:46
  So I know how this thing usually goes.
• 4:04:49
  I see something's my favorite and I really love it and
• 4:04:52
  someone's got to come along and see it dog shit.
• 4:04:55
  So, oh go on the jewel. Well, I was going to actually
• 4:04:59
  and I was gonna be really contrary.
• 4:05:01
  This was one of the ones, I was gonna literally called Mitchell.
• 4:05:04
  And if Masterpiece, one of the scariest bits of Doctor Who ever
• 4:05:09
  and I was gonna be really mean, and just to see your reaction, I
• 4:05:13
  was gonna kick it out, because I've got a feeling that
• 4:05:15
  somebody's fine, gentleman. Going off to me are gonna kick
• 4:05:17
  it out and then to see if we could actually get this gun.
• 4:05:20
  However, Two things, one is cute.
• 4:05:24
  Both just gave such a brilliant readings on this.
• 4:05:27
  I mean, I can't possibly not have egg on my face.
• 4:05:30
  If I try and pin this after, what you two have just said,
• 4:05:33
  two, I absolutely adore this episode.
• 4:05:37
  And three, if I put this through, I am responsible as the
• 4:05:42
  third vote of five for putting through every single fucking
• 4:05:46
  episode in series 4. So it is a masterpiece.
• 4:05:51
  It is beautiful acted. It is beautiful.
• 4:05:53
  And the I find I find the whole sequence where Leslie sharp
• 4:05:59
  turns round and our eyes are darting around the room with all
• 4:06:02
  those lights on Earth. So scary, Lindsey Coulson, I
• 4:06:07
  think is the scariest thing in the whole story.
• 4:06:09
  How she's doing because everything you said, Daniel,
• 4:06:11
  absolutely everything. She is, fucking chilling.
• 4:06:14
  It's like my mother in this scene, you know?
• 4:06:16
  Anyway, that's enough of my problems.
• 4:06:19
  Um, yeah, wonderful. Glorious and absolute
• 4:06:22
  Masterpiece with Solace at the library, through to the stolen
• 4:06:26
  Earth. Let's push Journeys into one
• 4:06:28
  side. That is a five episode punch,
• 4:06:31
  punch, punch, punch, punch punch, possibly the best run of
• 4:06:34
  Doctor, Who episodes of all time.
• 4:06:36
  Would you say He talked to who I would.
• 4:06:43
  Absolutely would that's me. Yes, Masterpiece let's do it.
• 4:06:47
  So you go in your face of Gregory, there were good.
• 4:06:50
  Then yes you did. So you're gonna surprise us
• 4:06:52
  tonight. So there we go.
• 4:06:53
  So surprises. I'll put everything for okay and
• 4:06:58
  we'll go with Lee next. Okay.
• 4:07:02
  But we'll start by saying James Lark to quote the face of ball.
• 4:07:05
  You are not alone. Oh, Okay, it's midnight.
• 4:07:13
  So it's time to call last orders on this story.
• 4:07:17
  Point number one, giving midnight the push.
• 4:07:21
  Choosing a condemned this story. That's not to say it's entirely
• 4:07:24
  without Merit. Let's start by taking a look at
• 4:07:27
  the template that the supporting characters about from here.
• 4:07:30
  A person surrounded by people. They don't really trust that
• 4:07:34
  seemingly have a fixation with the doctor and an enclosed space
• 4:07:37
  from which the first thing they want to do is escape from now.
• 4:07:41
  We can all identify with this. We've all met Gina convention.
• 4:07:46
  Good point. Good stories.
• 4:07:48
  What run you clever boy from that.
• 4:07:57
  She literally is Aaron Aveda. Pictures were people.
• 4:07:59
  So to the next part, whatever you next He could, please. shape
• 4:08:07
  for My template, you have to you have the opportunity to do
• 4:08:12
  almost anything in terms of character.
• 4:08:14
  But midnight blows it by having everyone be exactly the person
• 4:08:18
  you'd moved downstairs on the busy avoid We have an actual
• 4:08:22
  doctor, son playing a professor who's in the short of a billy
• 4:08:25
  towards these companion know. Don't speak to the man, carry
• 4:08:29
  this, select the right slide and so on, never give another space
• 4:08:32
  to be your own person and helping us unraveling situation
• 4:08:36
  and the family consisting of an angry version of Clive from
• 4:08:40
  Rose. Carol Jackson from EastEnders
• 4:08:42
  being well Carol, Jackson from East then there's and their son
• 4:08:47
  Doctor, Who is teenage holiday cover.
• 4:08:54
  Only a couple person and amongst all of them is the
• 4:08:57
  aforementioned DD, why was scared?
• 4:08:59
  She's not as reactionary as the others and even has a moment to
• 4:09:03
  shine confiding in the doctor that her paper on the Lost Moon
• 4:09:06
  of push, God or posting with Professor Hobbs touch, your
• 4:09:10
  doctor suggests that one day, she'll have a great discovery
• 4:09:12
  named after her. So if that means, with a note,
• 4:09:16
  being better to have DD making the discovery about sky at the
• 4:09:19
  end of the episode and sacrifice and her herself, they take the
• 4:09:23
  picture of rather than the hostess.
• 4:09:25
  The try and emotional beat in the aftermath of all this with
• 4:09:28
  no one being able to recall the hostess his name.
• 4:09:31
  But I'm more emotional wall could have been delivered by the
• 4:09:34
  person that's overlooked and spoken down to being the one
• 4:09:37
  figured out the situation and then lay down the life.
• 4:09:40
  The resolve it. This is terrified enough.
• 4:09:44
  You want us to watch a child commits suicide Yeah, I would
• 4:09:50
  have shot the professor up, wouldn't it?
• 4:09:51
  Yeah, see. So that way at the end of the
• 4:09:55
  doctor warning, the Leisure Palace company to abandon
• 4:09:58
  midnight, altogether. It could have asked him to
• 4:10:00
  rename the planet and her owner bringing her story full circle
• 4:10:04
  within the episode. He well, he might be right.
• 4:10:10
  A slightly worse version of this episode because STDs world, we
• 4:10:15
  just live in it. It's shy interference.
• 4:10:17
  Yeah. Point number two, not four times
• 4:10:21
  on this feeling. If you want me.
• 4:10:24
  The monster now I will admit they've done the right thing and
• 4:10:27
  not visualizing it in any way. Keeping it out of sight and not
• 4:10:30
  tangible, doesn't make it scary. I trickler from the corner of
• 4:10:34
  the, if the beeping angels and blink But once the creature
• 4:10:38
  makes its way inside the plot and seems to forget about it as
• 4:10:41
  an entity in itself. True, we see it learning
• 4:10:44
  mimicking but for end whenever we get clearance of the
• 4:10:48
  motivations at the creature, what is called ultimately is
• 4:10:52
  Fine. Leave something to the
• 4:10:54
  imagination but also gets some sort of a nest to water actually
• 4:10:57
  wants. Once the enters, the cabin, all
• 4:11:01
  we end up with this and outtake from inside the actor Studio,
• 4:11:03
  where we're getting to see two actors setting technical Beats
• 4:11:06
  by being able to see their lines at exactly the same time.
• 4:11:11
  And Surround off point number three, a blinking shape, we've
• 4:11:16
  now had a pattern and Doctor, Who at this stage with the
• 4:11:18
  production schedule, necessitating, a couple of skill
• 4:11:20
  down episodes of season to battle.
• 4:11:22
  Actor, burnout virtual, but just to put your teeth in a credible
• 4:11:27
  effect last season with link, Midnight is Russell T Davis
• 4:11:31
  watching that episode thinking well the bit of that, but
• 4:11:34
  somehow feeling to include the invention subtlety chills of
• 4:11:37
  flair of the stories light predecessor.
• 4:11:41
  So I can find space with an enemy.
• 4:11:43
  That's the visible not signaling, his intention should
• 4:11:46
  be terrifically scary, but here is drowned out in a sea of
• 4:11:49
  beckering and shouting. Now, I get that the natural
• 4:11:52
  human response and a situation like this with b and they never
• 4:11:55
  speak to be panicky. But my God, take the screaming
• 4:11:59
  down or Notch. Make it tense.
• 4:12:01
  Make it creepy. Don't make it sound like
• 4:12:04
  chucking out time at the office in tone.
• 4:12:07
  I don't predictable dial down freight works so much better.
• 4:12:10
  That's why we've been Angels but the success they were and
• 4:12:13
  despite Leslie shops, best efforts, any of that attention
• 4:12:16
  is spoiled by mass shrieking, Scared panicky, yet quite a
• 4:12:21
  reaction to events from the passengers on board would have
• 4:12:24
  elevated the freight here. But instead it disappears under
• 4:12:27
  the chaos talking about listening on you it's the same
• 4:12:32
  set piece but fuck. What happens is, why?
• 4:12:36
  But I said it does disappear. The chaos reduce this episode,
• 4:12:39
  nothing more than a 45 minute argument and saying the
• 4:12:42
  stationary cupboard, as Joe has said, midnight Midnight, more
• 4:12:47
  like the greatest respect for you or opinion but what allowed
• 4:12:56
  a dog shit? And the volume and the chaos.
• 4:13:05
  It's all scary, right? It's Just so irrational.
• 4:13:08
  That's what we would be isn't it?
• 4:13:10
  If you're in that live with that situation you'd be screaming
• 4:13:12
  your bloody head off. But also, I can understand
• 4:13:15
  people not wanting to watch, you know, EastEnders Brawl for five
• 4:13:19
  minutes as well. So fair enough.
• 4:13:21
  But I think it's the interesting thing that I was you know this
• 4:13:24
  is the cheap episode isn't it? This is the cheap the cheapest
• 4:13:27
  this is the one to save a bit of of cash, right?
• 4:13:30
  Just doesn't make you So no, I mean, I was, that's, that's yes,
• 4:13:35
  we're saying, save a bit of cash, instead of cheap money.
• 4:13:38
  So, when you it's not cheap, a technically this such Flair in
• 4:13:43
  the direction. Exactly.
• 4:13:44
  Exactly. I mean there's, you know,
• 4:13:46
  there's that the scenes where the shield is opened in and you
• 4:13:50
  see in midnight and it's all CGI.
• 4:13:52
  And it's yeah, it's it's it's you know, CJ 20, odd years ago,
• 4:13:56
  but it's still you know impressive.
• 4:13:58
  And you think if this is the cheap one again it kind of lends
• 4:14:02
  itself to how big this show was at the time that you know, the
• 4:14:09
  The money that's been invested in the cheap episode could
• 4:14:12
  probably power the more one of the more expensive ones nowadays
• 4:14:16
  but well, that bit where they, they closed.
• 4:14:18
  They have to close the shutter. You're gonna say that.
• 4:14:21
  Yeah, and mechanic the mechanic clawed, he's he sees something
• 4:14:25
  and, you know, you couldn't go for a frame by frame.
• 4:14:28
  You don't see anything I've tried.
• 4:14:30
  Just gonna, yeah, special effects where where?
• 4:14:33
  Oh, bugger it's cold. I think the what that moment
• 4:14:37
  does it sort of teach you how to watch the episode.
• 4:14:40
  So like when the all the repeating stuff happens, you'll
• 4:14:43
  then sort of looking like well is it going to appear?
• 4:14:46
  Is it not you know who's Allegiance is with me, it makes
• 4:14:49
  you pay attention. I think it's the sort of like
• 4:14:51
  pay attention. So I just episode like Tons of
• 4:14:56
  times. So many times, my heart was
• 4:14:58
  racing watching this a couple of weeks ago.
• 4:15:00
  She's growing in strength. It's not what I said.
• 4:15:03
  I want to go home. Sorry, I want to be safe when we
• 4:15:18
  get back to the base, I'll be there to contain it so far.
• 4:15:21
  He's just standing at the back with the rest of us.
• 4:15:23
  She's dangerous. It's my job to see this vessel
• 4:15:26
  is safe. We should get rid of her now, I
• 4:15:29
  think. Oh,
• 4:15:40
  Jethro, what do you say? Killing anyone.
• 4:15:43
  Thank you. He's just a boy.
• 4:15:44
  What Swan and get a vote there. Is an event it's not happening
• 4:15:47
  ever. If you try to throw her out that
• 4:15:51
  door, you'll have to get past me first.
• 4:15:56
  Okay. Oh, you've been stupid.
• 4:16:00
  Just think about it. Could you actually take hold of
• 4:16:03
  someone and some of them out of that door, call me a coward you
• 4:16:06
  in charge anyway. I'm sorry.
• 4:16:08
  You're a doctor of what exactly rest of you just.
• 4:16:20
  My friend. What were you saying this?
• 4:16:30
  Oh yes. Be.
• 4:16:39
  Alright. I'm interested.
• 4:16:40
  Yes, I can't help it because whatever's inside her is brand
• 4:16:44
  new and that's fascinating. You all on your own before all
• 4:16:49
  the trouble right to the front, you were talking to that Sky
• 4:16:52
  woman, the two of you together. I saw you.
• 4:16:54
  Well, we all, did you enter the cabin?
• 4:16:56
  What are you saying to her? I was just humans, like, you're
• 4:17:00
  not one of us opened up the wire that was after.
• 4:17:06
  How did you know what to do? Because I'm clever, serious
• 4:17:11
  effect on me when I'm watching it, something something about
• 4:17:14
  the the crowd that's lost control is a deep, a deep fear
• 4:17:20
  of mine. I think.
• 4:17:23
  Yeah, yeah. So I think it's happened to all
• 4:17:26
  of us in some way, you know, where you lose, you lose the
• 4:17:28
  room, you know, or you lose the, you know, not a podcast yet, but
• 4:17:34
  at least we could all just press stop, you know.
• 4:17:37
  Right. We've got one last opinion here.
• 4:17:39
  So right here you go out. Oh yeah, look.
• 4:17:44
  Um so I feel like midnight. It's all about isolation in a
• 4:17:48
  way. You know, I thought most the
• 4:17:49
  characters are deprived of something I believe you know
• 4:17:54
  like the midnight entity will get first goes for sky but I
• 4:17:57
  feel like he's the most like emotionally vulnerable out of a
• 4:17:59
  lot, you know? She needed her own space and as
• 4:18:04
  I say that she's on the other end of the fucking Galaxy or
• 4:18:06
  whatever or and when when it's kind of come from She's said
• 4:18:11
  she'd get me it's coming from me and then when the midnight
• 4:18:15
  entity switches over to the doctor, that's when the doctors
• 4:18:17
  is most vulnerable after he's being ganged up on and
• 4:18:20
  everything like that, you know, we've got these Bus full of
• 4:18:23
  people who just don't want to talk to, they're just want to
• 4:18:26
  stay with their own cells and it's not until this.
• 4:18:30
  Completely overstimulating Entertainment System, get shot
• 4:18:33
  off. You guys will just have to talk
• 4:18:35
  to each other instead as if this is Always like, ah, it's all
• 4:18:42
  about talking, isn't it about talking?
• 4:18:44
  Yeah, now to die right on the train.
• 4:18:48
  If we all, let's all talk, all right?
• 4:18:51
  And again, with the deprivation thing that always Crossing
• 4:18:56
  midnight, but never touching it, you know, no one's ever actually
• 4:18:58
  sets thought on this place or seen it.
• 4:19:01
  With their own raw eyes outside of, but not behind a pane of
• 4:19:06
  thick. Hypo glass.
• 4:19:09
  Whatever it's called space glass.
• 4:19:10
  Yeah. Oh I like space glass.
• 4:19:15
  Yeah. All like she's got my voice.
• 4:19:18
  She's got my words, you know, it's like stealing your identity
• 4:19:21
  and the only like thing you have To hold in this kind of
• 4:19:27
  situation, is your own mind and that's that's being just sucked
• 4:19:32
  out of you there and the feeding off of fear.
• 4:19:35
  You know it's it's knowing so much to manipulate these people
• 4:19:38
  just say the right words to get more words at these people that
• 4:19:42
  can just kind of feast upon and there's no physical threat
• 4:19:46
  either. It's a woman standing in a
• 4:19:47
  corner just not blinking. She doesn't blinking, it's true.
• 4:19:52
  Yeah. Doesn't blink.
• 4:19:53
  That's why I pay attention this time.
• 4:19:55
  She doesn't blink until it like goes over to the doctor.
• 4:19:58
  Um don't think that's if it wasn't for tight.
• 4:20:05
  Internal left. Sharp would have the season as
• 4:20:08
  the baby. Yeah.
• 4:20:09
  Oh you love that. They're where she she like
• 4:20:12
  Lindsay, coulson's crying. And she you can hear Sky crawl.
• 4:20:16
  Crying off off camera and they don't show it.
• 4:20:19
  But the best is I She deserves, whatever of Wars we can give up
• 4:20:26
  for just that bit with the pie. Oh yeah.
• 4:20:28
  Oh yeah the square root of Pi is 7654 Oh, when I think we never
• 4:20:37
  learn the students' name, of course of your.
• 4:20:40
  Just a uniform in this kind of things.
• 4:20:42
  You know, I've had to work fucking shity jobs where you're
• 4:20:46
  just treated like a Well, you're just a service, aren't you?
• 4:20:49
  You and I guess. And what was saying earlier, is
• 4:20:54
  she closes herself? Or she's on autopilot.
• 4:20:56
  She's really care about her job. She's just going through the
• 4:20:59
  motions and, you know the doctor guys.
• 4:21:01
  Oh, and see more to finish. He's like, oh whatever.
• 4:21:03
  Oh, everyone's just so closed off.
• 4:21:07
  And that's how this thing gets in.
• 4:21:10
  And even this, I'll guess I'll just work the midnight entity
• 4:21:14
  even that's so lonely and so isolated.
• 4:21:16
  Like I can't help but feel like it's gone there because it just
• 4:21:20
  needs someone, you know, I feel like a little strange sort of
• 4:21:24
  like sympathy for it. They have that description at
• 4:21:28
  the end where she says, you know, body so hot full of blood
• 4:21:31
  and pain Society, you know, Because we don't get all the
• 4:21:35
  backstory, you can absolutely give it that reading.
• 4:21:38
  Exactly. No one looks into the doctor's
• 4:21:42
  eyes afterwards, if you know this, they look at him.
• 4:21:45
  Yeah. No.
• 4:21:46
  That are, they can't meet him in the eye, which is, I guess, is
• 4:21:49
  that's cool because they're all about the eyes and the eyes
• 4:21:52
  earlier, And I just have to say completely unrelated but I just
• 4:21:57
  fucking love Jeff, bro. Six six, he's a completely.
• 4:22:00
  Okay, we've broken down in the middle of nowhere.
• 4:22:03
  Not who's there. And then of course everyone's
• 4:22:10
  already said the best line in it.
• 4:22:11
  The pool is that of course. Yes.
• 4:22:15
  Going in a course coming in. It's good.
• 4:22:18
  I've never, I've never Felt some Pasco of a character more than
• 4:22:25
  the moment where the doctor goes.
• 4:22:26
  Oh, I guess it's not contained paying out and then the
• 4:22:31
  stewardess goes, enjoy your flights.
• 4:22:33
  Oh, that's every day for me. Oh, okay.
• 4:22:43
  There we go. Then, so we did it.
• 4:22:46
  Yeah, the Journey's End. By my Reckoning, we have been
• 4:22:52
  talking for about 10 hours about 10.
• 4:22:53
  Doctors this Endless Night. I'm half delirious but we have
• 4:22:59
  one last test to do. We need to sort out all these
• 4:23:03
  stories and we need to pick it. No, it's impossible.
• 4:23:06
  Well, it's got to be done so crank up the camp, music, camp
• 4:23:12
  music, go and we will move on into round two.
• 4:23:17
  So formatted, are you kidding me in the morning and we're coming
• 4:23:24
  around to, so, yeah, and it's very straightforward.
• 4:23:27
  The first story with that went through its gonna face off
• 4:23:30
  against the third, the second against the fourth and the fifth
• 4:23:33
  against lust. All, that means first, that
• 4:23:42
  means up first, we need to decide, which do we prefer
• 4:23:47
  Stolen Earth in Journey's, End or the unicorn and the wasp.
• 4:23:54
  He went straight in Earth, and I am gonna join you there.
• 4:23:57
  Yeah, me too. Don't know for sure Chuck's
• 4:24:00
  outfit. Lee.
• 4:24:05
  Bank on the strength of the first episode of the one that's
• 4:24:08
  going to be. Yeah.
• 4:24:08
  Whatever. And John is ends.
• 4:24:09
  There's nothing James and Daniel.
• 4:24:12
  Yeah. Oh the doctor's secret army, if
• 4:24:20
  the children of time. Jack Harper, what's the story
• 4:24:27
  will still win? I bought one of you will die.
• 4:24:39
  If we really ought to leave this tonight if anyone can think of
• 4:24:42
  an Agatha Christie book title, which might smoke that.
• 4:24:46
  Yes, so the unicorn of the boss ointment with death death comes
• 4:24:53
  at the end on it goes out which leads to The next selection
• 4:24:59
  which is excited in the library for the dead against turn left.
• 4:25:04
  Oh, left, he's been left. Late Tom left, he's got left and
• 4:25:13
  left, Daniel. oh, so hard because I mean, It's not the
• 4:25:23
  story I'd watch every day. There's more like I've had a
• 4:25:26
  long day. I watched her left.
• 4:25:28
  But yeah, fuck it turn left. Turn left on my choices.
• 4:25:34
  Well, you That is the one that goes through.
• 4:25:39
  I mean, you all find you. which means we now have The future is
• 4:25:48
  changing stolen Earth in Journey's End versus turn left.
• 4:25:52
  Turn left. Turn left.
• 4:25:55
  Anyone in turn left. Oh, No means it was always gonna
• 4:26:09
  come for this. Midnight gentleman, alternative.
• 4:26:19
  Midnight. Oh, on for midnight I will
• 4:26:23
  repeat midnight. Oh good night.
• 4:26:26
  Late. Let's kind of waiting for this
• 4:26:28
  moment so I could factor a drawing.
• 4:26:29
  But my choice is going to be done.
• 4:26:31
  Left, has to be turn left. No ways is going.
• 4:26:35
  I'm too left to for midnight and please nice guy from Midnight.
• 4:26:42
  Yeah, it is. It's the best one ridiculous
• 4:26:48
  decision. We've got to remember, is my the
• 4:26:51
  second place is go through as well.
• 4:26:53
  So don't worry, all right. It's still got a hope to win.
• 4:26:58
  Can I know that point, but everything I said a bit
• 4:27:00
  midnight, was a liar. to the grand finale of season 4, which
• 4:27:13
  is Midnight Midnight. So we've got one vote for
• 4:27:29
  midnight from here and Daniel midnight.
• 4:27:38
  Teeth, right? So if you haven't voted
• 4:27:43
  midnight, Daniel I'm really very tired.
• 4:27:46
  I was of midnight, the fires of midnight, so midnight, Midnight.
• 4:27:54
  Joe, midnight lie. I think about what I said.
• 4:28:01
  I think it's a bag of crap. File a homepage.
• 4:28:03
  You could try it. I am voting midnight as well.
• 4:28:10
  Good night. Fantastic.
• 4:28:12
  Is he up by Julie elected. Series 4 Strictly Come hamster.
• 4:28:54
  Here, I worthy winner. Here installing.
• 4:29:00
  Yeah. Did it.
• 4:29:01
  The last few years have taught us anything?
• 4:29:02
  The thing is Julia like they did not always the best choice as
• 4:29:05
  well. Well that's true.
• 4:29:07
  That is true. Oh gentlemen, what can I say?
• 4:29:12
  What can I say? Other than thank you.
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  gentlemen, for your time. It's so appreciated that you've
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  fashion gentlemen. If you can kindly tell our
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  And again, thank you. Thank you.
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