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Patriots Unfiltered 4/16: Spotlighting the QB Draft Class, Jayden Daniels Unconventional Playing Style, WR Landscape · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: Maybe, and you know, like just the whole thing, like
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  Speaker 6: And I'm thinking to myself, I can help him.
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  Speaker 4: I take any of the top five quarterbacks over what
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  Speaker 4: we've dealt with since Brady, and I'll scream if we
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  Speaker 4: don't take Daniels, if May has gone at three, I'll
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  Speaker 4: just stop talking. Then.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Mike likes Jayden dammls. I like Jaydon Daniels too.
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  Speaker 6: I'm with Mike, but doesn't mean that like you're wrong. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I don't know, and he's too nice to just say yeah,
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  Speaker 6: I don't buy it sucks And.
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  Speaker 4: He just doesn't like the squint.
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  Speaker 6: It's squinting because Mike is not sold on Jaydon Daniel Paul.
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  Speaker 4: You're doing is repeating what everyone else is saying, right right,
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  Speaker 4: but you're doing it while you're eating a lemon and.
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  Speaker 6: Right he's squinting. I understand why you would think that
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  Speaker 6: he's not a good prospect, Evan, because you don't know,
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  Speaker 6: like I know.
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  Speaker 7: This is how people think.
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  Speaker 4: I said, email said I went to Northeastern, and Paul
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  Speaker 4: saying I don't care that he went to Northeastern. I
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  Speaker 4: still don't care about PFF stats.
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  Speaker 6: You know how I usually say I never said that.
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  Speaker 6: I am quite sure sure that I said exactly.
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  Speaker 4: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is to a
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  Speaker 4: Thursday here at the stadium.
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  Speaker 8: It's Tuesday. It's you know, if it was draped.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I need to go to sleep and then wake
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  Speaker 4: up and start this whole day over. I swear to god,
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  Speaker 4: I had this whole thing in my mind that it
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  Speaker 4: was Thursday. We're a week away from the draft. What's
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  Speaker 4: happening to me, Paul, I ask you? Because right with me? Right, okay,
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  Speaker 4: it's Tuesday here at Jilt Stadium and we're a week
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  Speaker 4: and two days away from the nine days Yeah, nine
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  Speaker 4: days away.
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  Speaker 7: He couldn't do that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's Tamara, it's Evan, it's Paul, it's me,
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  Speaker 4: it's Jewels in the Booth with Chris Ferrera backing her up,
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  Speaker 4: and Marine is away at Disney on.
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  Speaker 7: Disney Vacation, Disney World, Disney World.
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  Speaker 9: I will say this week communing has been fabulous because
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  Speaker 9: all the kiddos are on break.
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  Speaker 2: It's beautiful.
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  Speaker 7: Great.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't even think of that.
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  Speaker 8: It's so great. I love it.
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  Speaker 4: Easy sailing.
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  Speaker 7: All right.
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  Speaker 4: So obviously we've got to talk about this draft, and
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  Speaker 4: I want to start right off the top because we
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  Speaker 4: often reference Paul's shows, and yesterday was listening to one
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  Speaker 4: of them and they were talking about something that Greg
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  Speaker 4: Badard wrote, and he talked to you know, unnamed, but
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  Speaker 4: a an old time NFL executive who's touched all aspects
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  Speaker 4: of he's been a head coach, he was a GM
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  Speaker 4: I guess he was a quarterbacks coach. He's touched all
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  Speaker 4: aspects of interacting with a quarterback. And he was saying
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  Speaker 4: that as often the case, and he thinks it is
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  Speaker 4: this year that teams start looking at these quarterbacks through
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  Speaker 4: beer goggles that they're so desperate to have the guy
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  Speaker 4: and they overrate these guys. And it resonated with me
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  Speaker 4: because that's what I've been saying, are we overrating these quarterbacks,
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  Speaker 4: maybe with the exception of Caleb Williams, because you know,
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  Speaker 4: everybody needs a quarterback and you want these guys to
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  Speaker 4: be good, and you know we're lowering the bar.
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  Speaker 9: I really hope that's not true. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 9: look at the twenty twenty one class and you see
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  Speaker 9: how the overreaching happened there and what happened with that,
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  Speaker 9: you would hope that they're going into this year's class
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  Speaker 9: with twenty twenty vision like I would be getting Lasik
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  Speaker 9: right now. I'm making sure I can see right because
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  Speaker 9: you saw what happened with that, and I know that
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  Speaker 9: we don't have a crystal ball to see how these
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  Speaker 9: guys are going to turn out. But if you're not
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  Speaker 9: absolutely sold on the guy, I don't want you to
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  Speaker 9: reach for him.
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  Speaker 4: Because the average person, the layman like myself, looks at
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  Speaker 4: pass drafts and say, how could anybody think Josh Rosen
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  Speaker 4: was going to be a franchise quarterback? You know, like
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  Speaker 4: just one example, but there's plenty of those examples like
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  Speaker 4: how do you miss that bad?
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  Speaker 7: I think a lot of it. And when you say
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  Speaker 7: are we lowering the bar? I think the bar is relative,
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  Speaker 7: like are we lowering the bar to what? None of
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  Speaker 7: these guys we can sit here and say this guy
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  Speaker 7: is going to be the next Patrick Mahomes and that
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  Speaker 7: guy's going to be the next Josh Allen because nobody knows.
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  Speaker 7: So every year these quarterbacks are getting graded of off
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  Speaker 7: of potential of what they could be at the next level.
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  Speaker 7: So I don't know what we're what what's the bar?
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  Speaker 7: You know, like what are we.
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  Speaker 9: And I think we didn't know that Josh Allen was
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  Speaker 9: going to look like that or Patrick Mahons.
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  Speaker 7: And I guess that's kind of what I'm getting at
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  Speaker 7: is at the end of the day, a lot of
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  Speaker 7: it is between the years. Yeah, And it's it's not
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  Speaker 7: just between the ears, between the lines. It's also off
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  Speaker 7: the field and who has the drive and who has
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  Speaker 7: the competitiveness and who has the want to And I
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  Speaker 7: think you mentioned Josh Rosen. That was Josh Rosen's problem.
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  Speaker 7: That's Zack Wilson's problem. Zack Wilson is not revy like
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  Speaker 7: it's not a talent issue with Zack Wilson. Zack Wilson
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  Speaker 7: just doesn't give a damn and that's how you get
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  Speaker 7: to where you're at at this point, was Zack Wilson.
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  Speaker 7: So I think that that's one of the things that
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  Speaker 7: you hope that teams that have all the information and
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  Speaker 7: have all the access to these guys have a leg
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  Speaker 7: up on everybody, is that you would think. So they're
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  Speaker 7: in the room with these guys, they're and they're getting
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  Speaker 7: to know how they're wired, and they're getting to know,
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  Speaker 7: you know how, what's important to them and those types
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  Speaker 7: of things. This is why guys like JJ McCarthy have
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  Speaker 7: these these rises up the board because we watch them
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  Speaker 7: in the fall. They're not they're just what they are.
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  Speaker 7: But then you get to this time of year and
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  Speaker 7: you hear about the visits and the interviews and the
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  Speaker 7: whiteboard and all these other things, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 7: now he's a top five pick.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 6: So yeah, I agree Freddie that we probably do overrate
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  Speaker 6: them a little bit because of the position. But I
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  Speaker 6: also agree with Evans's point about I think that the
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  Speaker 6: vast majority of guys that miss all positions early in
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  Speaker 6: the draft, it's not necessarily a talent problem. It's not
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  Speaker 6: because some coach looked at that guy and thought he
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  Speaker 6: could do X and he physically can't. It's more of
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  Speaker 6: the other stuff that Evan's talking about. Shouldn't there be
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  Speaker 6: a way to uncover that, like how important it is
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  Speaker 6: to people? I'm not saying you do like psychological but yeah,
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  Speaker 6: but no, I guess an example, some people just don't
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  Speaker 6: test well. But as an example, like Christian Barmore was
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  Speaker 6: a guy who a lot of people at Alabama thought
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  Speaker 6: football wasn't all that important to him. That's why he
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  Speaker 6: kind of dropped down a little bit to the second round.
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  Speaker 4: But exactly, but it wasn't.
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  Speaker 6: But it wasn't a talent issue because people thought that
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  Speaker 6: that he wasn't necessarily a high motor guy, and he
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  Speaker 6: had thought about quitting I think at one point at Alabama.
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  Speaker 4: But those things were identified and that's why he dropped.
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  Speaker 6: Why didn't ident But they were wrong. I'm not done.
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  Speaker 6: They were wrong. But he doesn't have those issues. But
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  Speaker 6: I'm just saying, or he got past those issues and
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  Speaker 6: he's been a productive player. The opposite can be true too,
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  Speaker 6: Like you think that a guy doesn't have any problems
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  Speaker 6: like Josh Rosen to use the example you brought up.
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  Speaker 7: But obviously he can play.
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  Speaker 6: He has the ability to throw the ball at the
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  Speaker 6: NFL level, but there's other things that go into it
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  Speaker 6: that he evidently didn't have. I find it really amazing
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  Speaker 6: with him, in particular that he got drafted in the
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  Speaker 6: top ten with Arizona. They moved on when they had
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  Speaker 6: a coaching change. Happens all the time. New guy comes in,
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  Speaker 6: he wants his own guy. He never really got another shot. No,
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  Speaker 6: he played a little bit in Miami, yep, but not
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  Speaker 6: really anything extensive that you could see.
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  Speaker 7: Can this guy?
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  Speaker 6: But he's no one's ever really given him a shot.
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  Speaker 7: Trey Lance has never had a shot. Yeah, well Trey
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  Speaker 7: Lance started, he got Yeah, but I mean he's he
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  Speaker 7: lost his job twice for injury. It just wasn't really.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, But like I think when he he hasn't proven
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  Speaker 6: he can't play, like for whatever reason, no one is
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  Speaker 6: interested in finding out.
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  Speaker 7: If Josh or not.
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  Speaker 6: Like And my guess is it's all the stuff that
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  Speaker 6: Evan's talking about that's especially a quarterback probably.
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  Speaker 4: Just I just I just look at the guys who
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  Speaker 4: you know, obviously, no one's that can't miss. But the
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  Speaker 4: guys who were true blue Chippers that were drafted high,
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  Speaker 4: and I'm talking, you know, recently, like Andrew.
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  Speaker 7: You know, we don't throw it like I try not
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  Speaker 7: to throw generational talent around as much anymore. Andrew luck
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  Speaker 7: was a generational talent, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and and even I and I don't say he's
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  Speaker 4: a generational talent, but someone who deserved to be drafted
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  Speaker 4: one one. Trevor Lawrence. I mean, obviously he's having his
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  Speaker 4: you know, stumblings, you know, over in Jacksonville, but I
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  Speaker 4: still think that he deserved to be one one. A
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  Speaker 4: lot of guys, though, that are up there in the
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  Speaker 4: top five, I don't think deserve to be up there,
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  Speaker 4: And they're just there because we need somebody to be
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  Speaker 4: up there that's a quarterback.
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  Speaker 7: And I mean I think that's true for JJ McCarthy.
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  Speaker 7: I think Drake May and jayde and Daniels are worth
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  Speaker 7: top five picks because of the physical ability you do.
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  Speaker 4: And that's where I want to get, you know, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: I want to get this a long way to Grandma's house,
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  Speaker 4: but that's where I want to get to. Are these
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  Speaker 4: guys truly worthy of being up there or are they
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  Speaker 4: only up there because of the competition because that's who's available.
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  Speaker 7: So like, if you were to do a true big
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  Speaker 7: board of this class where positional value and the fact
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  Speaker 7: that their quarterbacks is not supposed to be part of this,
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  Speaker 7: then pretty much everybody has Jaden Daniels in Drake May
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  Speaker 7: in their top ten prospects in the entire draft, and
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  Speaker 7: then those guys get propped up to two and three
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  Speaker 7: maybe a little bit by the fact that they play.
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  Speaker 4: I know everybody's got him up there, but is that correct?
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  Speaker 6: But like, just to use the quarterbacks and you have
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  Speaker 6: the beast in front of you that you printed out
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  Speaker 6: and killed a lot of trees.
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  Speaker 4: So renewable resource you can always plant.
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  Speaker 6: More So, Michael Pennix is a very gifted passer. He's
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  Speaker 6: got them. Dane Brugler, I can never say Brugler. He
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  Speaker 6: hasn't rated in the mid fifties, right, so he doesn't
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  Speaker 6: get the quarterback bump. He's raking the players as he
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  Speaker 6: sees them fitting in. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I think Pennis because of his age and injury,
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  Speaker 4: that's why he's.
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  Speaker 6: In the skill set. Like he's a really gifted passer.
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  Speaker 6: But that's kind of it, yeah, whereas these other guys
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  Speaker 6: can pass and move, yeah, and offer a different level
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  Speaker 6: of athleticism I think than some of the other guys.
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  Speaker 6: That's why I would separate the top three from the rest.
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  Speaker 6: But a lot of people putting McCarthy right in there,
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  Speaker 6: So I think he has them in like twenty one.
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  Speaker 7: So like to keep going with Dan because the Beast
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  Speaker 7: is right there in front of you. He has Drake
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  Speaker 7: May as the fourth rated prospect on his board, He
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  Speaker 7: has Jade and Daniels at eight, and he has JJ
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  Speaker 7: at twenty one, twenty one, and Daniel Jeremiah. I think
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  Speaker 7: has JJ in the twenty to twenty five range as well.
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  Speaker 7: That's a player to me that gets overdrafted every single year.
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  Speaker 7: Is the JJ McCarthy's the world because these coaches and
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  Speaker 7: executives fall in love with the intangibles.
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  Speaker 6: That's the quarterback bump. If he goes in the top five,
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  Speaker 6: like a lot of people think, I think most people
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  Speaker 6: feel like he's a mid twenties prospect.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, think that Drake May and Jayden Daniels fit
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  Speaker 7: that that same way that McCarthy does.
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  Speaker 6: And it goes back to Tamara's point when you brought
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  Speaker 6: up Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. That's the kind I
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  Speaker 6: mean again, no one's if anybody knew that it's gonna happen,
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  Speaker 6: everybody would take in these two guys one too. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: but that's the to me, that's the upside that you're
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  Speaker 6: looking at, is those kinds of skill sets with these
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  Speaker 6: three guys, Caleb Williams we've talked about with Mahomes and
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  Speaker 6: you know May and Daniels, with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
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  Speaker 6: If they all hit, no one's gonna sit there and say, Wow,
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  Speaker 6: I can't believe.
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  Speaker 7: They took Drake May three.
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  Speaker 9: And then I feel like you also have to like
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  Speaker 9: add into the equation the teams that they're going to
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  Speaker 9: go play for, and the systems that they're going to
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  Speaker 9: go play for, and the pieces that are around them too,
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  Speaker 9: because like, what if someone's really great and then they
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  Speaker 9: have no support around them, they have no offensive line,
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  Speaker 9: no weapons, bad coaching, like pretty much a situation that
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  Speaker 9: Trevor Lawrence went into, like he went into a disaster
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  Speaker 9: his first year.
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  Speaker 7: So that's such a great point because you're evaluating the
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  Speaker 7: prospect in the draft is different between what happens to
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  Speaker 7: them after that, Like their development after that is now
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  Speaker 7: on all the teams to to your point, put the
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  Speaker 7: right stuff around them, you know, to iron out some
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  Speaker 7: of their weaknesses in their game and things like that.
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  Speaker 7: And I think a lot of the time these guys
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  Speaker 7: fail because of that piece of it, not because they
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  Speaker 7: come into the draft and they get drafted high and
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  Speaker 7: they don't have the talent. It's because they go to
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  Speaker 7: situations that ruin them. I mean, we kind of had
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  Speaker 7: one of those here in some ways. So I talked
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  Speaker 7: about that. The big part of it were you went
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  Speaker 7: with us last week.
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  Speaker 6: I know that you were doing the interviews on one
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  Speaker 6: of the days. Yeah, And I brought that up Freddy
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  Speaker 6: with with Mike and you and just if there could
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  Speaker 6: be a really end depth, in depth study as to
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  Speaker 6: why these guys fail and take away a lot of
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  Speaker 6: take a lot of factors, like everybody is just it's
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  Speaker 6: such a blanket thing like the guy played too soon,
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  Speaker 6: you ruined him, he wasn't ready. They ruined them, or
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  Speaker 6: you know, whatever the case may be. Whereas all these
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  Speaker 6: other things like maybe he played too soon and it
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  Speaker 6: ruined him, Maybe he played too soon and he didn't
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  Speaker 6: have the didn't have the mental toughness to fight through it.
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  Speaker 6: So you just as Fred pointed out last week, you
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  Speaker 6: were just going to find that out anyway, whether it
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  Speaker 6: was going to be in the first year or like
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  Speaker 6: mac Jones in year two and year three. You know,
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  Speaker 6: at some point it's going to come out. But what
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  Speaker 6: kind of weapons does he have to work with? What
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  Speaker 6: kind of protection does he get, What kind of a
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  Speaker 6: system is he entering into. Is it conduce it to
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  Speaker 6: his skill set? What kind of defense does he have?
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  Speaker 6: Is he constantly you know, throwing the ball forty five
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  Speaker 6: times because he's playing from behind every week. There's a
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  Speaker 6: million different factors that go into this. And I think
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  Speaker 6: that just to say, like, well that guy, he was
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  Speaker 6: a bust, I.
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  Speaker 9: Would love that, Paul, especially when you're looking at somebody
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  Speaker 9: like Bryce Young, for example in the Panthers, Like if
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  Speaker 9: he gets keeps getting a new head coach every year,
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  Speaker 9: like what's going to happen to him?
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  Speaker 7: Right?
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  Speaker 9: And they keep trading away their pieces and his team
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  Speaker 9: isn't very good.
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  Speaker 6: You find out, you know that Frank Reich didn't want him.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you think that's easy to play under a
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  Speaker 6: coach that didn't want you. And I'm not blaming Frank
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  Speaker 6: Reich by the way, but that came out after he
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  Speaker 6: got fired last year, is that he wanted Stroud. Now,
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  Speaker 6: I know a lot of guys, after the guy hits,
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  Speaker 6: they want, you know, the the Ben McAdoo theory after
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  Speaker 6: the guy hits, like you know, I was on that.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I had that nailed it.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe someone's listening can send me the exact quote from
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  Speaker 4: the badart story. Uh, the quote is from this NFL executive.
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  Speaker 6: I thought it was Charlie again.
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  Speaker 4: It was a cautionary tale.
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  Speaker 6: It well, it kind of sounds like it could have been.
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  Speaker 7: It could have been he said GM. He was never
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  Speaker 7: a GM.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it could have been.
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  Speaker 7: I just don't know what the alternative is, you know,
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  Speaker 7: I agreed that the likelihood is is that if five
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  Speaker 7: quarterbacks get taken in the first round, two of them
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  Speaker 7: will probably be pretty good, like can play in the league.
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  Speaker 7: One of them will probably be really good, and then
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  Speaker 7: the other three teams are going to be Zach Wilson
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  Speaker 7: and you're gonna be back in the draft two years
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  Speaker 7: from now looking for a quarterback, right, and I but
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  Speaker 7: the alternative is to not take the swing and and
• 16:00
  Speaker 7: just forever be in quarterback purgatory. That's the gamble.
• 16:05
  Speaker 6: They can either take a guy and have them bust
• 16:07
  Speaker 6: and you have to do it again, or you cannot
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: take a guy and you still have to do it again.
• 16:12
  Speaker 7: I mean the Jets took Donald and Zach Wilson within
• 16:15
  Speaker 7: like a three or four year span, and they missed
• 16:17
  Speaker 7: both times, so that that can easily happen.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 16:23
  Speaker 9: I also think when you have two of those three
• 16:25
  Speaker 9: teams in the top three with brand new coaching staffs too,
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: it's like it can go either way for both the
• 16:31
  Speaker 9: commanders and here like all of us have brand new everything.
• 16:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. How often, you know, do three of the top
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: three teams quarterbacks all need quarterbacks every year? That? I mean,
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: I haven't I can't remember, but.
• 16:47
  Speaker 7: It was it was three quarterbacks.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah, usually you're drafting that high because you have that quarterback.
• 16:55
  Speaker 7: There's been a lot of I would say, like in threes,
• 16:58
  Speaker 7: but when you got four inner, I don't even know
• 17:00
  Speaker 7: if that's ever happened.
• 17:01
  Speaker 6: Last year was three out of four, then two years
• 17:05
  Speaker 6: earlier it was the first three. There have been times
• 17:09
  Speaker 6: where I think there's been some other examples of three.
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: I don't know about four.
• 17:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and that somebody said that this could
• 17:18
  Speaker 4: be a record amount of offensive players. If you're a
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: set on offense and you're looking for defensive help, this
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: is a good draft this year because you're gonna get
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: a pick of some of the best players.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: Well, the defensive players aren't as good though they're not.
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: No, Well, cornerback's pretty deep.
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: Cornerback's deep, but I wouldn't say that there's top end
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: talent in the cornerback class. Edge is really good too
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: in this class, But Dallas Turner is probably the best
• 17:43
  Speaker 7: prospect in the edge group. I mean, I know it
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: depends on who you ask. You know, some people like Verse,
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: some people like Law too, but I think Dallas Turner
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: is the consensus. But he's not He's not Miles Garrett,
• 17:54
  Speaker 7: you know, Like he's not like one of these a
• 17:56
  Speaker 7: you know, freak of nature edge rushers that's gonna go
• 17:59
  Speaker 7: have a chance to go with the first overall pick
• 18:01
  Speaker 7: and most drafts, so right, Like, he's not one of
• 18:04
  Speaker 7: those types of guys.
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I like Verse, not that it matters because it's
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: not you. He's going to go in the middle of
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: the first round somewhere, and not really well, but I
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: love his story.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: Our first email handed one around. Our first emailer, Johnny
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: from Germany. This is nice to see Tamara round again.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: Uh So, my question, what would be the favorite draft pick,
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: not may or Daniels for each of you? Maybe one
• 18:29
  Speaker 4: not at three? So other than quarterback, what's who do
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: you hope that the Patriots get the most?
• 18:38
  Speaker 6: I don't have a specific I mean I hope they
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: get a wide receiver who can play immediately the most,
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: But like I don't know which one it is. You know,
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: you guys have heard all those names down there in
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: like the third round, you know, like I asked the
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: Beast the Beast Master today about that. He mentioned Malachi
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: Corley is one of the guys. I mean, just someone
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: they should be able to draft a receiver in the
• 19:03
  Speaker 6: third round who can play right away. I'm not talking
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: about excel right away. I mean play, you know, can
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: you get a Pop Douglas right?
• 19:10
  Speaker 10: You know?
• 19:11
  Speaker 7: Right? You know?
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: You know I would like more than that, but something
• 19:15
  Speaker 6: that that would most excite me because they need they
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: need some weapons, they need some help on offense.
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: I'm going to be boring and say, Joe Alt, I
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: think if they did trade back and they were able
• 19:25
  Speaker 9: to get him, that'd be really great. Just addressing offensive
• 19:28
  Speaker 9: line needs to protect whatever quarterback is out there.
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: Okay, assuming they go quarterback at three, I would say
• 19:35
  Speaker 7: ad Ni Mitchell from Texas Adie Mitchell. I think that
• 19:39
  Speaker 7: that is the best combination of size, speed, upside, be
• 19:43
  Speaker 7: able to play on the outside that they're going to
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: have a chance to get. Like Brian Thomas Junior is
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: the dream, but he's not going to fall that far.
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: I kind of like Evan's thinking to like second round
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: receivers that don't wait till the third.
• 19:56
  Speaker 7: The third round is tough because I think all those guys,
• 19:59
  Speaker 7: although they're is talent, in the depth of the class,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: it's all complimentary guys like I don't see a Jalen
• 20:06
  Speaker 7: Polk being a number one receiver in the league. I don't.
• 20:09
  Speaker 7: I'm not a big Malachi Gorley guy in general, but
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: I don't see him being, you know, three years from now,
• 20:15
  Speaker 7: it's looking and saying, oh, well, that was like the
• 20:17
  Speaker 7: AJ Brown of this class or the Terry McLaurin of
• 20:19
  Speaker 7: this class. There's probably gonna be one or two of
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: those types of guys that do end up, you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 7: exceeding expectations, But I think at the top of the
• 20:27
  Speaker 7: second round is where you can get place. You know,
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: your guy Lad mcconca, it's going to be a tackle.
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: Do you think it's better to get a second second
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: round wide receiver or a second round tackle.
• 20:40
  Speaker 7: I go back and forth on that one. I would
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: say receiver because I just think that that player is
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: gonna make more of an immediate impact than the tackle.
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: I think once you get to those second round tackles,
• 20:50
  Speaker 7: you're starting to talk about some developmental guys.
• 20:52
  Speaker 4: Who's the behemoth? I think he's from Texas. Is it
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: Mims or not?
• 20:56
  Speaker 6: Georgia. He's the guy I like to but he's played, Yeah,
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: that would be my worry about him.
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: He's got seven career starts, like eight hundred snaps in college.
• 21:07
  Speaker 7: He was injured last year and then he was behind
• 21:08
  Speaker 7: Broderick Jones before that. So you know that's tough with Georgia.
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: You have so many NFL players around you that to
• 21:16
  Speaker 7: crack the lineup can be difficult. But he's a guy
• 21:19
  Speaker 7: that I wonder if he could last at thirty four
• 21:22
  Speaker 7: because of those reasons. You know, he's got first round
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: tape all day, but teams might be scared off by
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: the injury last year, might be scared off by the
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: fact that they don't have a ton of film to
• 21:30
  Speaker 7: pull from yea to really see him. But if you
• 21:33
  Speaker 7: just turn on the tape, then he's a first round
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: grade one hundred.
• 21:37
  Speaker 6: The tackle wide receiver thing in the second round, I
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: think is hard. I don't really care as much about
• 21:42
  Speaker 6: playing immediately because I don't like, I'm not I'm not
• 21:45
  Speaker 6: sure mayo, I don't have to worry about like what
• 21:48
  Speaker 6: my record is right away. But I but Evan makes
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: a good point about, like, if you think there's that
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: big of a difference between the caliber of player, that's
• 21:57
  Speaker 6: why point I listened to to. I'm just gonna call
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: him Dane from now on this morning. You know when
• 22:03
  Speaker 6: I was on my show Fred, it was actually my show. Yeah,
• 22:07
  Speaker 6: he did talk a lot about that sort of drop
• 22:10
  Speaker 6: off after like six or seven tackles, and that's what
• 22:14
  Speaker 6: you might get at the top of the second round.
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: And if it's that big of a difference, then it's
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: it's gonna be hard to say, ad Mitchell is not
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: substantially better than some tackle that's available with the eighth
• 22:28
  Speaker 6: tackle off the board or the seventh Taple's.
• 22:31
  Speaker 7: That's how I'm looking at it is that you got
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: to stick to the board, and I feel like at
• 22:35
  Speaker 7: thirty four, the tackle pick is more likely to be
• 22:38
  Speaker 7: a reach than the receiver pick. At that point, you know,
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: maybe a guy like Mims falls, maybe a guy like
• 22:43
  Speaker 7: Tyler Goeyiton from Oklahoma falls, just because of the way
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: the board breaks down. But assuming that the consensus top
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: five or six tackles are off the board, I have
• 22:53
  Speaker 7: to think that the fifth receiver off the board might
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: be better than like the seventh or eighth tackle off the board.
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: So I don't think the order of operations matters all
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: that much. I just want to take the best player
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: available at thirty.
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: So someone who might be a receiver who might be
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: available like in the third round. Yeah, what do you
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: think of Johnny Wilson from Florida?
• 23:11
  Speaker 7: Interesting player. I don't know him. So Johnny Wilson is
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: like six six, three hundred and thirty pounds or two
• 23:18
  Speaker 7: hundred and thirty pounds three hundred to be crazy, two
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: hundred and thirty pounds. Quite a receiver, two hundred and
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: thirty pounds, built like a tight end, but moves like
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: a receiver.
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: It's kind of crazy. It's a weird It's the weirdest
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: player that I think in this in this receiver class
• 23:33
  Speaker 6: to project and understand, because he plays like a wide receiver,
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: but he's in the tight end's body like he's not
• 23:40
  Speaker 6: very consistent at the catch point.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: He's not one of these. But he can move like
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: he can run routes at that size.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: So he intrigues me a little bit.
• 23:49
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's a he's an interesting player. I just the
• 23:52
  Speaker 7: part that I think concerns me with him is I
• 23:54
  Speaker 7: think what Paul is kind of getting at is what
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: is he you know, what position does he actually play?
• 24:00
  Speaker 7: And where are we actually going to find a way
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: for him to be a high volume guy. But as
• 24:04
  Speaker 7: an athlete, he's just super different that he moves that
• 24:08
  Speaker 7: well at that size but doesn't like really play to
• 24:10
  Speaker 7: that size, like it doesn't play like a big receiver,
• 24:12
  Speaker 7: but he moves like a small receiver.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bizarre, that's interesting. Some people have him at six seven.
• 24:18
  Speaker 7: You interested in lunch?
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we gotta get lunch.
• 24:20
  Speaker 9: Ok.
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just got the message from Juweles.
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: Oh oh so yeah, what are you gonna get Italian?
• 24:27
  Speaker 4: You're gonna get an Italian. Yeah, I got a small
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: PEP make it easy, all right. Web radio at patries
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: dot com is the email address. We get a lot
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: of people emailing. Uh, we still don't have a phone system. Yeah,
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: marine's not here. And then he just sent me an email.
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: We need even more equipment to make it happen. So boy, Yeah,
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: this thing is getting more complicated by the day. Jason
• 24:51
  Speaker 4: writes in We're obviously getting a lot of emails about
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: the quarterback, and that's fine. Like I said, we're nine
• 24:57
  Speaker 4: days away from this. What be an historic pick for
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: the New England Patriots, Jason says Jade and Daniels completed
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: seventy three percent of his throws in college versus Drake
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: May sixty three percent. Jaden threw sixteen more TD passes
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: in May. Yes, Jaden had better talent to throw to,
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: but he's also competing against much tougher competition. May throw
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: nine interceptions Daniels through four. May rush for four hundred
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: forty nine yards. Daniels rush for one and thirty four.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: I understand the hype for Drake May. He's tall. Josh
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: Allen like has years to grow and learn, and supposedly
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: has a cannon for an arm, but something just doesn't
• 25:33
  Speaker 4: click for me with him as a Patriots fan. Helped
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: me get excited about Drake may as he will probably
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: be our third pick in the first round. I can't
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: do it on my own. Go easy on me, Evan
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: and Paul.
• 25:45
  Speaker 7: Would I would just say that that's a lot of
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: box score scouting.
• 25:48
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I was gonna say.
• 25:49
  Speaker 7: I would go watch. I'm not asking you to go
• 25:52
  Speaker 7: do what I do and grind the tape and all
• 25:54
  Speaker 7: that kind of stuff, but just go watch like some
• 25:56
  Speaker 7: YouTube highlights, like actually watch the guy play, because while
• 25:59
  Speaker 7: looking at the box score is not going to tell
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: you anything.
• 26:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah. I was going to say the same thing too,
• 26:04
  Speaker 9: and just say you have to actually look at their
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: system and how it translates to the NFL, because if
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: you're just looking at numbers, I mean, then a lot
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: more quarterbacks would be in the picture if all you're
• 26:12
  Speaker 9: looking at is just ats.
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: So I looked at Jayden Daniels a little bit. And
• 26:16
  Speaker 6: I'm not positive on the timelines on this, but his
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: best year by far at Arizona State was when Brandon
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: Ayuk was still there early on, and his best year
• 26:26
  Speaker 6: by far at LSU was when Malik Neighbors and Brian
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: Thomas were there. So I do wonder if this is
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: a guy who would look more like Drake May look
• 26:35
  Speaker 6: this year if he was playing with Drake May's cast
• 26:39
  Speaker 6: of supporting characters. Yeah, that's probably and that's just I mean,
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: that's a little bit of a it's a projection.
• 26:47
  Speaker 7: I don't know.
• 26:49
  Speaker 6: Daniels had by far the better year. I don't really
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: care about completion percentage quite honestly, it's to me the
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: most meaningless stat in football. But you can watch a
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: guy and I would say that Drake May struggles with accuracy.
• 27:03
  Speaker 6: Like I don't think that that's unfair to say. So
• 27:07
  Speaker 6: no one's jumping on you. I think a lot of
• 27:09
  Speaker 6: people can look at all these guys and come up
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: with a guy that they like the best. I think
• 27:14
  Speaker 6: it's kind of in the eye of the beholder in
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: some of these cases. So if you like Jayden and
• 27:18
  Speaker 6: Daniels better, There's a guy that called in a couple
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: of months ago yelling at all of us about Jayden Daniels.
• 27:23
  Speaker 6: If you remember, yeah, the guy from Albany, Right, He's
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: been on Jaden Daniels for a long time.
• 27:27
  Speaker 7: There's there's nothing not to like about Jayden Daniels like Idaic. Yeah,
• 27:31
  Speaker 7: some of the passing profile is not great in terms
• 27:34
  Speaker 7: of translation to the NFL, you know, passing up middle
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: of the field throws it probably being the biggest thing
• 27:39
  Speaker 7: his His profile matches a lot of the same things
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: that Justin Fields was coming out of Ohio State, which
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: I think is probably my biggest concern. You know, takes
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: a lot of sacks, holds the ball a lot, passes
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: up throws that are open NFL open type, throws over
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: the middle of the field. Like, those are the concerns
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: that you have. But his tape is electric. I mean
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: he watched the high the highlights, you watch whatever you
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: want to watch, go watch them play against Florida. I
• 28:03
  Speaker 7: think he had like six hundred total yards of offense.
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: Like he just guy can't be stopped. He's unstoppable.
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: It'd be so fun too if we were able to
• 28:10
  Speaker 9: draft one of his wide receivers and kind of get.
• 28:13
  Speaker 7: Like a yeah, I mean that I don't.
• 28:15
  Speaker 8: Joe Burrow and Chase situation.
• 28:16
  Speaker 7: How you never know neighbors. I think is gone by
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: six to the Giants. I think that's probably his floor
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: and Brian Thomas junior. I think is a top twenty guy.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: Maybe he's lines.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: Maybe. Joe writes in if the Patriots draft JJ McCarthy,
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: I want my money back for my season tickets there.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: And it proves Wolf and the rest of the current
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: front office help Belichick screw up the draft for the
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: last five years.
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't go that far, but I understand.
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: I will also cry if they draft him.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: Really you're anti.
• 28:46
  Speaker 8: Yeah, not at three. Not at three.
• 28:50
  Speaker 9: Now, if we were like the eighteenth pick, maybe, but
• 28:55
  Speaker 9: not at three.
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: It's tough.
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: I think it's tough to look at him and put
• 28:59
  Speaker 7: him in the same tier as the other guys, which
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: has been where I've been at it since probably January
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: or February. With JJ McCarthy, it's just he's not He
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: doesn't have you know, the it's a projection that he's
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: going to be able to carry a team.
• 29:14
  Speaker 8: Yeah.
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: I think that had he not won the National Championship,
• 29:18
  Speaker 9: we would not be having this conversation right now. I
• 29:20
  Speaker 9: think he's a clean prospect, Like he doesn't make mistakes,
• 29:23
  Speaker 9: he's smart, you know, looks the part.
• 29:26
  Speaker 8: But like he's not dynamic.
• 29:27
  Speaker 9: He's not as exciting to watch as the other three.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: The only thing I could say in rebuttal to that
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: is he wasn't asked to be dynamic. He didn't need
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: to be dynamic. He didn't need to put the team
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: on his shoulders very often and win the game. And
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: that's not his fault.
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: Is that Mac Jones' fault? What do you mean, Like
• 29:42
  Speaker 9: he wasn't ask to do that in college either.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: Different offense, mac Jones different.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: I would say mac Jones did it more than j
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: j Yeah, I.
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Would say so too. I mean he threw downfield, he
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: had to really dynamic.
• 29:52
  Speaker 9: But he never faced anyone good. And like the SEC
• 29:54
  Speaker 9: wasn't the SEC when Mac was playing in it, like
• 29:57
  Speaker 9: they blew everybody out, whereas the SEC now like you
• 30:00
  Speaker 9: actually have to go through Georgia and LSU, like there's
• 30:02
  Speaker 9: actually conte.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Georgia was pretty good back then.
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Now the SEC, but not the Big Ten. Like I
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: just don't think that McCarthy, I don't look at the
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: Big Ten is all that different than ACC. I said
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: this a couple of these two teams at the top.
• 30:15
  Speaker 6: I think that Ohio State and Michigan have sort of
• 30:18
  Speaker 6: progressed to the point where they can compete with anybody. YEP,
• 30:22
  Speaker 6: the rest of the conference kind of stinks. Penn State
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: is decent, but they can't beat Ohio State or Michigan, right,
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: And you know, maybe McCarthy is that guy. Maybe he's
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: going to be one of those guys that he's better
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: in the pros than he was in college because he's
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: allowed to do more and he never was allowed. That's
• 30:42
  Speaker 6: the way that Hardball wanted to play.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: But we talk about you know, mostly these guys are
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: being talked about in the first round because they're all talented.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: They all have talent. And Bill has talked about this
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: before Belichick. You know, you get to the draft and
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: all the guys have talent, right, you know, But it's
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: the intangils. Are they coachable? You know? How fast do
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: they process? You know? What's their attitude toward the game
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: of football? Do they love it? Is it really important
• 31:09
  Speaker 4: to them? And it seems that McCarthy really checks all
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: those boxes.
• 31:14
  Speaker 7: I wouldn't say he checks the processing box the rest
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: of them. I think the intangibles are definitely true.
• 31:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't know, Like I read the
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: quote about him wanting guys that were interested in winning
• 31:24
  Speaker 6: and not chasing girls and partying. Okay, so that's an
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: intangibles box.
• 31:28
  Speaker 7: The rest of it.
• 31:29
  Speaker 6: I don't know how you can determine from here if
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: he's smart, if he like and all these things like
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: you can. I mean, certainly the teams will have more
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: intel on that because they're going to have meetings with them,
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: And Evan talked about some of the stuff about putting
• 31:45
  Speaker 6: plays on boards and then coming back the next day
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: and doing things like that. That's like that to me
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: is stuff that teams can know. But I don't like
• 31:55
  Speaker 6: I went on a rant about this last week. I
• 31:57
  Speaker 6: don't know how JJ McCarthy is emerged as quote unquote
• 32:00
  Speaker 6: the safe prospect.
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: I don't understand it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: I don't.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: I don't know why his bust rate is any less
• 32:06
  Speaker 6: than Caleb Williams or anybody else.
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if you get just gonna because people
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: look at what he did in college and they think
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: that's what he's gonna do in the pros, no more,
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: but then that more it's gonna be.
• 32:17
  Speaker 6: That would be a bust. Right, Like, if he plays
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: the way he did in college and is under center
• 32:21
  Speaker 6: all the time, he turns around, he hands the ball off, right,
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: he'll be a bust.
• 32:24
  Speaker 4: And the team's gonna stay. I mean, more is going
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: to be asked of him in the pros. There's no
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: doubt about it. Yeah, can he handle it?
• 32:30
  Speaker 7: I mean, I just think that's that's what it comes
• 32:32
  Speaker 7: down to, is can you imagine this guy consistently, not
• 32:36
  Speaker 7: like the one time Mac Jones beat Josh Allen, but
• 32:39
  Speaker 7: like consistently go toe to toe with Josh Allen where
• 32:42
  Speaker 7: you are in a thirty five to thirty game and
• 32:45
  Speaker 7: you actually have a chance to win the game at
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: the end of the day against that level of quarterback
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: and that level of offense. And I just think with
• 32:52
  Speaker 7: JJ like if he goes to Minnesota, I think he
• 32:55
  Speaker 7: has a really good chance of succeeding with Minnesota because
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: they can ask him to do what he did at Michigan.
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: We're just gonna ask you to get the ball to
• 33:01
  Speaker 7: Justin Jefferson and make some plays on third down.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: I think with the advances in technology AI and VR
• 33:08
  Speaker 4: and all that, I think there's gonna be a way
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: within ten years to bring up to bring in a
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: quarterback prospect and actually put the goggles on them whatever
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: the tech is, and have them go through a game
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: and have to process a game in real time, against
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: real pressure.
• 33:27
  Speaker 7: They do have stuff like that already. I remember a
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: couple of years ago the Cardinals were it was a
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: big thing with the Cardinals. It's it's VR like it's
• 33:35
  Speaker 7: a VR headset and you wear it and you go
• 33:37
  Speaker 7: through it. But I just think the problem is that
• 33:39
  Speaker 7: there's no fear that you're gonna get a hit.
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: Well that's no. But they'll figure that out too.
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: Oh oh they actually hit them. Yeah.
• 33:44
  Speaker 6: Is this like a like an offshoot of your Kicker competition?
• 33:48
  Speaker 7: I mean I love it.
• 33:49
  Speaker 6: From like fifteen years ago. I forget when Vinitari left
• 33:54
  Speaker 6: and we.
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: Drafted Carcels told him he had the gun to his head.
• 33:58
  Speaker 6: We were going to have no I think you wanted
• 33:59
  Speaker 6: to to his throat. Yeah, him and Martine Gramatica.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah I like that.
• 34:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah yeah.
• 34:04
  Speaker 6: And we have Oh we have your wife right, you know,
• 34:07
  Speaker 6: held hostage and if you miss this kick, she's dead.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. Some way to really test their mental.
• 34:12
  Speaker 6: This is what I deal with. Yeah, you guys think
• 34:15
  Speaker 6: I'm just cranky.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: This is what Listen. I'm going to invest a lot
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: in you. You know you're gonna be my the face
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: of our franchise. We have to make sure that you
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: can handle this.
• 34:23
  Speaker 7: That's why you watch the tape. Yeah, that's all you got.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: But again, even the tape, it's who's the competition, what
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: was the situation? Blah blah blah blah.
• 34:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess I don't know. I think you can
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: just I.
• 34:35
  Speaker 6: Mean, there's a reason why the first round hit rate
• 34:37
  Speaker 6: is much higher than the second round and the third round,
• 34:40
  Speaker 6: and like the better.
• 34:42
  Speaker 7: They get it right right a lot.
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  Speaker 4: Back to the emails web radio at Patriots dot Com,
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: Christian writes in I just wanted to clear the air.
• 35:41
  Speaker 4: He says, Oh Paul mentioned last week some of us
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: had quieted down regarding not wanting May because it looks
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: like that's who the Patriots may draft. I'm still in
• 35:50
  Speaker 4: the camp of not wanting May, and we'll much rather
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: have Daniels or Penix trade down and get some extra
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: capital from the Vikings, Raiders, etc. If you're able to
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: possibly fill two holes and still get the quarterback, I'd
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: like I'd much rather do that than a guy who
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: I believe won't make it in the NFL. Also mis
• 36:09
  Speaker 4: my list, Mike. I respect your view. He's not here
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: on May, but have you watched Jayden play? You said
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: you don't want college football. I think that will help
• 36:18
  Speaker 4: you get more in on Jaden if you spent some
• 36:21
  Speaker 4: time watching the kid play.
• 36:23
  Speaker 6: Jeez, accusing Mike of not watching this is Those are
• 36:26
  Speaker 6: my favorites.
• 36:27
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Like, I know who this is and he's been
• 36:29
  Speaker 7: on the same train about Drake May. The whole time,
• 36:32
  Speaker 7: which is fine, but Mike watches plenty of these guys don't.
• 36:35
  Speaker 7: Don't be taking shots at Mike.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: And I like Jayden Daniels more than Mike does. But yeah,
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: I just like May more. I understand conventional than Yeah Daniels.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: I understand all the reasons why Mike doesn't like Jayden Daniels.
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: I think that Mike is working. I grew up and
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: away liked his quarterbacks just sit back in the throw
• 36:54
  Speaker 6: the football.
• 36:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, he was.
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: He's a little bit more old school.
• 36:57
  Speaker 7: I think he's a little bit worried about about him
• 37:00
  Speaker 7: being a high level passer, which I think is totally valid.
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: But if you're a guy who needs time, is it
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: better to be like a Drake May type player or
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Jayden Daniels where Jayden and Daniels can always rely on
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: his legs to get him out of trouble.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: So doesn't that hurt his development that he that he
• 37:17
  Speaker 6: does that?
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: Yeah, But because he's not sitting in the pocket processing
• 37:20
  Speaker 6: and learning, he's i know, for a sign of trouble,
• 37:23
  Speaker 6: he's tucked tail.
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: This is giving me like flashbacks if when Lamar Jackson
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: was getting drafted and how everyone kind of doubted him
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: and like what he was going to be able to
• 37:32
  Speaker 9: do in the NFL because he did use his legs
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: so much.
• 37:35
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they're very different players and stylistically, I would say,
• 37:40
  Speaker 7: but I agree that the impact they have on the
• 37:43
  Speaker 7: game is very similar because of their mobility. Like you're defensively,
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: I think the game plan, even though they run differently
• 37:49
  Speaker 7: and they throw differently and all that, it's not conceptually
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: it's not going to be very different. Like you're gonna
• 37:55
  Speaker 7: have to keep that guy in the pocket, You're gonna
• 37:57
  Speaker 7: have to have spies, You're gonna have to have you know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: zone coverages with all eyes on the quarterback. You're gonna
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: have to scheme up a way to stop a designed
• 38:05
  Speaker 7: quarterback or on game like those those runs are going
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: to be in the game plan every single week. If
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: you're the Patriots and you have Jayden Daniels, those things
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: are really attractive for any team. I think the biggest
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: thing with him that he just needs to work on
• 38:18
  Speaker 7: is you know, having that ability to process the middle
• 38:21
  Speaker 7: of the field and take those throws that are available
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: to him in those areas. And I would also say
• 38:26
  Speaker 7: he's not a off script thrower. He's not a guy
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: that's going to get outside the pocket with his legs
• 38:31
  Speaker 7: and keep his eyes downfield and make throws off platform.
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: I think that's the biggest difference to me between Lamar
• 38:37
  Speaker 7: and Jaden is Lamar is willing to take those throws
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: when he gets off I think. I think that's exactly
• 38:47
  Speaker 7: what he is. And I'll say, you know, I love
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson. He's one of my favorite players in the
• 38:51
  Speaker 7: league to watch.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: But I'll tell you that I hear from a lot
• 38:55
  Speaker 6: of fans that to this day tell me how he's
• 38:57
  Speaker 6: not that good, he's overrated. He's he's a running back
• 39:01
  Speaker 6: playing quarterback. He's gonna win m vps, but you're not
• 39:04
  Speaker 6: ever gonna win anything with him. So there is still
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: like this element of people that they don't want their
• 39:12
  Speaker 6: quarterback to be a runner. They want him to be
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: a passer who can run like Mahomes.
• 39:17
  Speaker 7: I think Lamar and Jaden Daniels are different though, Like Lamar,
• 39:22
  Speaker 7: Lamar peppers the middle of the field like that's that's
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: where he lives, seems.
• 39:30
  Speaker 6: But think back to when Lamar came into the league
• 39:33
  Speaker 6: that first year, he was overmatched. He just made plays
• 39:37
  Speaker 6: with his.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: Legs when he played the Patriots. That was first year
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: because they killed us that game.
• 39:43
  Speaker 6: Right, That wasn't his first year. That was the second
• 39:45
  Speaker 6: year when he won m v P. But when he
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: first came into the league, he they won some games
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: and they ended up making the playoffs because he relieved
• 39:53
  Speaker 6: Joe Flacco that year and took took the job for good.
• 39:56
  Speaker 6: But I remember he was completely overwhelmed by a very
• 40:01
  Speaker 6: bad San Diego Chargers defense in the first round of
• 40:04
  Speaker 6: the playoffs because he had no ability to beat you
• 40:06
  Speaker 6: from the pocket. He wanted to run all the time.
• 40:09
  Speaker 6: The Chargers, if you remember this you like to make
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: fun of me, used all those like defensive backs as linebackers,
• 40:17
  Speaker 6: Adrian Phillips, and they kept Lamar Jackson from running to
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: beat them, and they dominated that game. That same Chargers
• 40:24
  Speaker 6: defense tried to come to Foxborough the following week and
• 40:26
  Speaker 6: do the same thing and gave up forty one points
• 40:28
  Speaker 6: or something like that in the divisional round to the Patriots.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: So I think there's a lot of people that I
• 40:36
  Speaker 6: love Lamar Jackson. I think he's dynamic. I think he
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: throws certainly well enough that you can win with him,
• 40:43
  Speaker 6: But he hasn't won big. He hasn't won in the
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: playoffs when it counts Now, I've taken a lot better
• 40:48
  Speaker 6: as a thrower, oh by leaps and bounds. And if
• 40:50
  Speaker 6: Jayden Daniels has that kind of a track, you're gonna
• 40:53
  Speaker 6: talk about him the same way because he can run.
• 40:55
  Speaker 7: Yeah. I think the biggest the advantage that Jayden Daniels
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: has is that he's a much more canically sound thrower
• 41:01
  Speaker 7: coming coming into the league. I agree, much smoother throwing delivery,
• 41:04
  Speaker 7: and much more efficient in the pocket with his feet.
• 41:07
  Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson had some true mechanical things that needed to
• 41:10
  Speaker 7: be work out, you know, footwork. You kind of had
• 41:12
  Speaker 7: like a shot put release coming out. It wasn't really
• 41:14
  Speaker 7: like a smooth, you know, typical release. Jandon Daniels looks
• 41:18
  Speaker 7: the part throwing the ball that you would think of
• 41:20
  Speaker 7: a prototypical quarterback.
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: Diana from New Hampshire getting excited about the draft. First
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: of all, so grateful for your insight and entertainment every
• 41:29
  Speaker 4: week as I look forward to watching you Tuesday and Thursday.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's a possibility the Patriots could make
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: a trade during the draft for either Ayuk or Higgins.
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: What would be the cost of the trade, required to
• 41:42
  Speaker 4: get either of them. What do you think?
• 41:45
  Speaker 7: Probably the second round pick up?
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: So as erased all forty nine ers from his timeline,
• 41:52
  Speaker 4: Is that true? Yeah? I mean guys have done that.
• 41:54
  Speaker 7: He doesn't follow the forty nine ers anymore.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay on like Instagram and stuff.
• 41:58
  Speaker 7: Very very hurt.
• 41:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's his hit feelings hurt.
• 42:01
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: See what would you give for Ayuk? Thirty four? You
• 42:06
  Speaker 4: wouldn't give a first round? No?
• 42:09
  Speaker 6: No, no, I mean no, because only because of the
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: situation they ran.
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, what I give first round? You might as
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: well take Marvin Harrison.
• 42:17
  Speaker 7: Well you're not very God, you're not giving three, Like
• 42:20
  Speaker 7: that's not even part of the conversation. I think thirty
• 42:22
  Speaker 7: four this year and then maybe a pick from next
• 42:24
  Speaker 7: year's draft on Day two or Day three, like a
• 42:27
  Speaker 7: third or fourth rounder from next year. Like maybe I
• 42:30
  Speaker 7: would do that and that would get it done. I mean,
• 42:32
  Speaker 7: I Youk's a great player and it would be a
• 42:34
  Speaker 7: great fit here, so I would. I would definitely entertain it.
• 42:37
  Speaker 7: But no, you're not you're not giving you can't as
• 42:40
  Speaker 7: the Patriots be giving up first round picks right now
• 42:43
  Speaker 7: for for guys like Ayuk.
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's justin Jefferson.
• 42:47
  Speaker 6: And you don't have a quarterback. Like if you had
• 42:49
  Speaker 6: a quarterback, then you can make a trade like that.
• 42:53
  Speaker 6: But I don't see how you can up your first
• 42:55
  Speaker 6: round pick and to acquire or this is like taking
• 42:57
  Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison at three right.
• 43:00
  Speaker 7: At more expensive and old.
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: What's the issue with him? He wants more money a you.
• 43:04
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he's he's coming up on the contract. I think
• 43:08
  Speaker 7: he was a first round pick, so he probably has
• 43:10
  Speaker 7: the fifth year option. I think this is year four,
• 43:12
  Speaker 7: and then he has the fifth year option on top
• 43:14
  Speaker 7: of that. So he's not a true free agent yet
• 43:17
  Speaker 7: and you know, and for the next couple of years.
• 43:19
  Speaker 7: But he needs to be paid.
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: Any chance instead they pay him and get rid of
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: Deebo Samuel and we get him.
• 43:26
  Speaker 6: That could So let's we could talk about that a
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: little bit because that's one of my pet peeves is, Oh,
• 43:31
  Speaker 6: look at the free agent class is going to be
• 43:32
  Speaker 6: huge next year because all those guys, It's Jefferson, Chase,
• 43:36
  Speaker 6: Jalen Wattle, CD Lamb, there's.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: A lot of by the way, he's pissed off.
• 43:41
  Speaker 6: Right, So there's a lot of big time receivers that
• 43:44
  Speaker 6: are going to be due money. Like you saw with
• 43:47
  Speaker 6: DeVante Smith. You know, cross one off the list. Then,
• 43:49
  Speaker 6: like the great players like that will generally get re signed.
• 43:54
  Speaker 6: And if they don't, if this turns out to be
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: a thing with Ayuk and he has to get dealt,
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: it's gonna cost you a lot. Yeah, Like when AJ
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: Brown went from Tennessee to Philly. It's a high pick
• 44:04
  Speaker 6: and a big money contract. Now a guy to keep
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: mind Now is aj Brown not this year because his
• 44:10
  Speaker 6: contract is very affordable. But after the twenty four season
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: there's an out for them. And you know, heading into
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: the twenty five season, his numbers is and when I
• 44:20
  Speaker 6: say numbers, his base salary skyrockets. So that's a guy
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: to keep him keep an eye on. Down the road.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: Ryan and Connecticut. Here's a little game for the crew
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: to play involving only the realistic draft prospects in May Daniels, McCarthy,
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: and Pennix. If you could only pick one restaurant to
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: bring them to, which would it be? So you're in Boston,
• 44:44
  Speaker 4: let's assume that's separate, but you're going to bring them
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: all to the same restaurant in separate times. What would
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: the restaurant be that you'd want to host these guys.
• 44:51
  Speaker 7: At and you're in Boston, not Foxborough, be anywhere in
• 44:55
  Speaker 7: this area. Well, I just tell you know Foxborough, Like,
• 44:57
  Speaker 7: if you were here, it's Davio's.
• 44:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 45:00
  Speaker 6: But if you're in Boston, I would go to the
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: North End.
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, bring him to the North End.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yep, I would take them to Mother Annas in
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: the North End.
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, there you go. There's a straight answer.
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: But really, what.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: These are weird questions? So that's one thing.
• 45:14
  Speaker 7: I think d they took drink made it gains Steaks,
• 45:17
  Speaker 7: which it could be Davio's still, so I don't know
• 45:19
  Speaker 7: what that necessarily means, but that's what Schrager said today.
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: Where do you think the Patriots took them? I don't
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: know where they took them. What is the green flag
• 45:30
  Speaker 4: drink and red flag drink for a prospect to order
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: at dinner?
• 45:35
  Speaker 8: Green flag water?
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: That's that's a green flag? Yeah, what's red flag? Like
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: a like a like a Long Island iced tea Long
• 45:44
  Speaker 4: Island ice double.
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, if you order and it seems like that's not
• 45:48
  Speaker 7: your first.
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: No Long Island iced tease, okay, knowing the next day
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: is a workout. What is the green flag dinner and
• 45:56
  Speaker 4: red flag dinner. So he's got to work out next day.
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: So we're operating on the assumption he's working out. Yeah,
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: you probably want to go a little lighter.
• 46:06
  Speaker 8: Then, right, Maybe a salmon.
• 46:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you're in New England, you know little, you're open
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: to new things. You should order fish, clam chowder, yeah,
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: some type of seafood.
• 46:18
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the guy that.
• 46:22
  Speaker 6: I heard a story like within the last week, some
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: someone was out on a draft visit like that and
• 46:28
  Speaker 6: they got them and they took him out and they
• 46:30
  Speaker 6: ordered a steak and he didn't order anything.
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: That was a story. Yeah, who was Like who was
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: the guy?
• 46:38
  Speaker 6: Like he wouldn't say oh okay, so interesting. He had
• 46:41
  Speaker 6: another meeting set up, right, Yeah, he was going on
• 46:44
  Speaker 6: a bunch of other dinner was going right from that
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: one to another one.
• 46:46
  Speaker 7: So you don't want to spoilless episode.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: You ordered dinner at the last one that was before
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: a pro day, all right, So May Daniels, McCarthy and
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: panics give each a sign, each one a drink.
• 46:57
  Speaker 7: Oh h.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: May is moonshine. I don't know, Yeah, I don't know.
• 47:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know. Yeah, and I'm not I'm not poo
• 47:11
  Speaker 6: pooling the silly question.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: I love wine McCarthy's milk.
• 47:15
  Speaker 7: I just don't know.
• 47:16
  Speaker 8: What Pennis wine because it's from Washington. Okay, he's older.
• 47:20
  Speaker 7: Okay is Jaden Daniels So is a California So I
• 47:27
  Speaker 7: would say, like, you know, like you know, Minnesota Gin
• 47:31
  Speaker 7: and Tonic or something like that, like something you get
• 47:33
  Speaker 7: at a club in l A.
• 47:34
  Speaker 6: You know, May would just Miller Light, diet Miller.
• 47:38
  Speaker 4: Okay, what is a running quarterback? Order something with caffeine?
• 47:45
  Speaker 7: Red Bull?
• 47:46
  Speaker 4: Red Bull? And if you were the prospect, what drink
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: would you get?
• 47:52
  Speaker 7: Life?
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: Life?
• 47:55
  Speaker 7: I feel like it is a little bit of a test,
• 47:57
  Speaker 7: isn't it?
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: Like you know, I would think everything you don't want.
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: I would think of everything as a test.
• 48:03
  Speaker 7: You don't want to order. I think a water is
• 48:05
  Speaker 7: like trying too hard.
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: No.
• 48:07
  Speaker 7: I think a water is like they're gonna look at
• 48:09
  Speaker 7: that and be like, you know, you can't even lose
• 48:12
  Speaker 7: a little bit and have some fun, like you know.
• 48:15
  Speaker 8: Then I would do wine wine safe.
• 48:18
  Speaker 7: I think beer is the safest. You can't get mad
• 48:22
  Speaker 7: at a dude for ordering a beer.
• 48:23
  Speaker 8: You can't get mad at.
• 48:25
  Speaker 7: No matter what you think of the guy, if he
• 48:27
  Speaker 7: orders a beer like that's a dude's drink, Like, you're
• 48:30
  Speaker 7: not gonna there's no judgment for ordering a beer.
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: So if you were sitting with the Prospect and all
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, hey, Evan, you know, what
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: do you want to drink? And he says, you know,
• 48:41
  Speaker 4: let me see the wine list. I'm out, And he
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: was like, you know, I'll have the two thousand and eight.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: It's sophisticated and I like wine, but I'm not I'm
• 48:52
  Speaker 7: not trying to be a quarterback in the NFL.
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: He knows, he knows, he knows wine. So that means
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: he just doesn't know how to read defenses.
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: No, it's just you out because of that, because like that,
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: that's just maybe he has interests other than you know. No, no, no,
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: you wouldn't like that.
• 49:07
  Speaker 7: I want my quarterback to be like a dude's dude,
• 49:10
  Speaker 7: like you know, I want him to you know, that's
• 49:12
  Speaker 7: what I want.
• 49:13
  Speaker 9: Like he's also coming from someone who's obsessed with Josh Allen.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: He wants some toughness, you know, you want some some
• 49:19
  Speaker 7: some bravado. No, no, if he starts taking the wineless,
• 49:24
  Speaker 7: I'll have a you know, a cabernet.
• 49:26
  Speaker 4: So he says, No, I'll have a Jack Daniels and
• 49:29
  Speaker 4: leave the bottle. That would impress you.
• 49:31
  Speaker 10: Absolutely, we're talking. Just just give me their straight jack. Yeah, yes,
• 49:39
  Speaker 10: I mean if you want an alcoholic is what you know?
• 49:41
  Speaker 10: I just want a guy that can hold his own.
• 49:43
  Speaker 10: Like you look, look at Tom Brady. There's all sorts
• 49:46
  Speaker 10: of stories about how much, you know, how he could
• 49:49
  Speaker 10: put him back, or how he could chug you know,
• 49:53
  Speaker 10: beers and things like that.
• 49:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, but did you the story about how he would
• 49:57
  Speaker 6: mix Iteah?
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: Exactly.
• 49:58
  Speaker 7: Yeah, because he was competing with three than thirty pound people.
• 50:01
  Speaker 6: He's cheatings, he was cheating. Well, he had to little foreshadowing. Yeah,
• 50:06
  Speaker 6: what he's not on the Patriots anymore, we can be
• 50:09
  Speaker 6: on the Patriots.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's coming back. Alex and Inglewood.
• 50:13
  Speaker 7: Can we touch on that too later?
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Maybe? Yeah?
• 50:15
  Speaker 6: Would you want that?
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: No, neither would I.
• 50:18
  Speaker 6: Nothing against Brady either, but I just think like, let's
• 50:22
  Speaker 6: do that. We're gonna do this, let's just do it.
• 50:24
  Speaker 6: We've moved on rebuild. Yeah, yep, I touched on it.
• 50:28
  Speaker 6: He was just kidding he wouldn't come back. I kind
• 50:30
  Speaker 6: of think it was more of that too, But I'm
• 50:34
  Speaker 6: I heard them talking on your station.
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: Which station is my station?
• 50:37
  Speaker 6: Your boy with Barthy in Serrill and they were like
• 50:42
  Speaker 6: legitimately like breaking it down. I'm like, are you guys serious?
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: Ten games? Why would you want Flora's ten games? Ten
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: games they're gonna win. I've heard the oh big deal.
• 50:50
  Speaker 7: You draft Drake May and then he sits behind Brady
• 50:53
  Speaker 7: for a year and Brady, you know, tutors him and
• 50:55
  Speaker 7: behind the scenes.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: And Brady's not interested in tutoring anybody.
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: And Brady's not interested in playing for the Patriots. If
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: you're using the third pick on a quarterback and not
• 51:04
  Speaker 6: Marvin Harrison.
• 51:05
  Speaker 7: I'm not disagreeing with it that that's the logical way.
• 51:07
  Speaker 7: But I got asked that. I was on with the
• 51:09
  Speaker 7: Newman Football Journal guys last night on their podcast Tony
• 51:13
  Speaker 7: and and John, and how did you get.
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: On that show? They asked me to come on, man,
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: it's a tough, tough get. It's tough to get on
• 51:19
  Speaker 4: that show.
• 51:20
  Speaker 7: You're a bad person, they just asked me.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 51:24
  Speaker 6: They're so good.
• 51:25
  Speaker 7: I know they work so hard.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: I know I know I know that I've known them
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: a long time. The great guys.
• 51:33
  Speaker 7: Kevin asked me the straight face if if Brady would
• 51:35
  Speaker 7: come back, and if I would want him back, Like,
• 51:38
  Speaker 7: it's an honest question that people have.
• 51:39
  Speaker 6: I think people have entertained it. I was listening to
• 51:42
  Speaker 6: Beatle and Phil Perry, and Beatle was making fun of
• 51:45
  Speaker 6: Phil because you wouldn't entertain it last week evidently, And
• 51:48
  Speaker 6: it's still like, it.
• 51:50
  Speaker 7: Was kind of nice that he did say the Patriots though.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: That was nice.
• 51:54
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he threw that out there for everybody, Like it
• 51:56
  Speaker 6: wasn't just you know, yeah, because the other guy was like.
• 52:00
  Speaker 7: Raiders, Dolphins, you know, all the other teams. He's been rumored.
• 52:03
  Speaker 6: Raiders, I think, yeah, and he put the Patriots on.
• 52:06
  Speaker 4: I just don't it's the Raiders owner ownership think gone through.
• 52:09
  Speaker 6: It's not resolved.
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, mister Kraft, if you're listening, give him a piece
• 52:15
  Speaker 4: of this team. Let him be part owner of this team.
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: He should not be affiliated with any other team besides
• 52:20
  Speaker 4: this team.
• 52:21
  Speaker 6: So that's so I think part of the thing is,
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: like they will, They're looking to give him a piece
• 52:27
  Speaker 6: of the team for a fraction of what I know.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: And that's why, no, no, make it fair. It's got
• 52:31
  Speaker 4: to be make it of value, you know.
• 52:34
  Speaker 6: But I don't think that Tom is necessarily interested in
• 52:37
  Speaker 6: other opportunities because I think not because of Vegas specifically,
• 52:41
  Speaker 6: although that's part of it. I think Davis was given
• 52:44
  Speaker 6: him an unbelievable deal, like he was getting like let's
• 52:48
  Speaker 6: just just use round him. He's getting a billion dollars
• 52:50
  Speaker 6: worth of the team for like a million, Like that's
• 52:53
  Speaker 6: like how often was right?
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: But in this case, I would say to whatever the
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: percentage is here, it is you to pay us. You
• 53:01
  Speaker 4: own it, but if you ever want to cash in,
• 53:04
  Speaker 4: here's the amount that we have to get back, you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 4: so like you can't just sell it and make the money.
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: If you sell it, we get the money, you know,
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: because we're not asking you to pay.
• 53:14
  Speaker 6: For sell in your house before it's you know, paid for.
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, something like that, you know. But he should be part.
• 53:19
  Speaker 4: He should have equity in the Patriots. I think if.
• 53:22
  Speaker 7: He's gonna have equity in any because I don't think.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: He's got three hundred million dollars in cash lab Maybe
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: he does, but you know he's not. He doesn't want
• 53:29
  Speaker 4: to outlay that amount of money.
• 53:31
  Speaker 6: I think that's probably a safe bet, right, although he
• 53:34
  Speaker 6: does have a contract worth three hundred and something million
• 53:37
  Speaker 6: from five yeah, I know.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: But over how many years?
• 53:40
  Speaker 7: Ten years? Right?
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: So Alex and Inglewood. First off, I want to say
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: I enjoy the show. Nothing gets rid of my morning
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: anxiety like hearing Paul's voice and I mean it.
• 53:48
  Speaker 7: Wow.
• 53:49
  Speaker 6: So then that's stunning.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: My question at this point in the draft process, do
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: you think the decision makers, Elliott Wolf and maybe Mayo
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: know who they want to take in the draft. I'm
• 53:58
  Speaker 4: sure they have contingency plans for any scenario, but will
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: they go off a big board or could it be
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: a draft day situation where Elliott Wolf has Drake may
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: no matter what written on a piece of paper like
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: the movie. Yeah.
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: I think they have a pretty good idea.
• 54:15
  Speaker 4: They know who they want to take, they know why,
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: and they have contingency plans. Yeah.
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: Well I talked to him on Thursday. Maybe we can
• 54:21
  Speaker 7: get it out of them.
• 54:22
  Speaker 6: Michael don't want to know, right, Yeah, the Michael Pennick.
• 54:26
  Speaker 4: Why do you want to know?
• 54:27
  Speaker 7: What are you going to do with that so I
• 54:28
  Speaker 7: can know ahead of time?
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah? We don't. We don't want to know what.
• 54:33
  Speaker 6: Wait wait, why wouldn't I mean I understand like competitively
• 54:36
  Speaker 6: and all that, but why wouldn't you personally want to know.
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: First of all, because if they're telling me, then I
• 54:43
  Speaker 4: question them.
• 54:43
  Speaker 6: Oh okay, So it's just a competitive thing. It's not
• 54:46
  Speaker 6: that you don't want. Like if we were if you
• 54:48
  Speaker 6: were off the air and like walked out of the
• 54:51
  Speaker 6: studio and Gerard was right there and he said, oh,
• 54:53
  Speaker 6: by the way, just so you guys know, we're taking
• 54:55
  Speaker 6: Drake May.
• 54:55
  Speaker 7: That wouldn't bother you.
• 54:56
  Speaker 4: Yea, that would Oh, it wouldn't bother you. Yeah, I'd
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: be like, why are you even saying that?
• 55:01
  Speaker 6: Because I know you won't tell anybody, right, I know
• 55:03
  Speaker 6: You've been here for thirty years.
• 55:04
  Speaker 4: I know the organization.
• 55:05
  Speaker 6: I just I just I know it's in the vault.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: I don't want that.
• 55:09
  Speaker 7: You don't want that pressure.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Plus you don't know.
• 55:12
  Speaker 6: I would love to know what.
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Plus you don't know that you've taken Drake May because
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: maybe the commanders take Drake May. So you don't know that.
• 55:18
  Speaker 7: Maybe they've already talked to Washington and they all have
• 55:21
  Speaker 7: sorted out.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: Plus it will spoil it for me.
• 55:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'm good with that.
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: I don't want the Knights spoil it.
• 55:27
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 55:28
  Speaker 7: I think the biggest for me, it's just from a
• 55:30
  Speaker 7: work like content perspective to have a leg up and
• 55:32
  Speaker 7: knowing who they're gonna take, so you have everything already
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: ready to go. It's easy.
• 55:36
  Speaker 6: What else are we going to write?
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: I don't think the twenty minutes are gonna kill you.
• 55:39
  Speaker 6: I mean, you've written like exhaustive film.
• 55:41
  Speaker 7: I know, but I'm saying, you know, one of the
• 55:44
  Speaker 7: things about the draft that does give me anxiety is like, Okay,
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: they're on the clock, Like you know, there's seventeen million
• 55:50
  Speaker 7: names that could take to anybody, and then all of
• 55:51
  Speaker 7: a sudden we see the name and then it's like
• 55:53
  Speaker 7: the whole thing just comes kind of comes.
• 55:55
  Speaker 6: For twenty years, I've had that same feeling when we're
• 55:58
  Speaker 6: doing our show. Then they picked someone and I'm.
• 56:01
  Speaker 7: Like, there's a million things to do.
• 56:05
  Speaker 6: I should be writing. I should be doing this, I
• 56:07
  Speaker 6: should be doing something. We should be talking, you know,
• 56:09
  Speaker 6: we should be doing a like you'd never feel like
• 56:12
  Speaker 6: you're prepared. Yep, that's why I'm just going to delegate
• 56:16
  Speaker 6: speaking of not being prepared.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Uh Rick and Dallas writes in since it's the off season,
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you are all sick of constantly talking about
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: Drake May and Jayden Daniels. I figured i'd ask a
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: fun question. Fun My favorite draft moment in recent history
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: was evans classic reaction to the cold strange pick. The
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: way he transitioned perfectly from bewildered rage to barely held together.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: Professionalism should be taught at journalism school. So what is
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: everyone's best, worst, most confused draft moment from the past
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: five to ten years? And why does it even have
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: to be a Patriots pick best worst, most confused.
• 56:53
  Speaker 7: Well, I'll go first because my worst is right out
• 56:56
  Speaker 7: there on the internet for everybody to see. So be
• 56:59
  Speaker 7: cold Straan in twenty twenty two.
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think. I think the day that Andy and
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: I got into the argument about rivers and tides, well that.
• 57:07
  Speaker 7: Was that was great.
• 57:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah for me, it's Mac. Yeah, I didn't want Mac.
• 57:12
  Speaker 6: I didn't think they were going to take Mac. Then
• 57:14
  Speaker 6: they took him, and I'm like, like the reality said,
• 57:17
  Speaker 6: it is like I worked for the team and they
• 57:20
  Speaker 6: just took a guy that I really don't.
• 57:22
  Speaker 7: Think is very right.
• 57:23
  Speaker 6: So now I'm in out of position and he plays quarterback.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: Yeah, so I figured that was going to make my
• 57:27
  Speaker 7: life different. That's how I feel about JJ. I feel
• 57:30
  Speaker 7: like and maybe why part of the reason why I'm
• 57:32
  Speaker 7: so anti JJ is because if they take him, and
• 57:35
  Speaker 7: then I had like, I'm not spinning it, and like
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: we don't want to be you know.
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: That said, I think in your breakdown, you did breakdowns
• 57:42
  Speaker 4: of all the quarterbacks, but your breakdown of McCarthy was
• 57:45
  Speaker 4: even handed. I don't think you were overly negative or
• 57:48
  Speaker 4: anything like that.
• 57:49
  Speaker 6: Not the JJ people didn't feel that way, and I
• 57:52
  Speaker 6: would just say, like, don't mistake me saying, look, I
• 57:55
  Speaker 6: work for the team, so that means I have to
• 57:57
  Speaker 6: change my opinion on it. No, I never changed my
• 57:59
  Speaker 6: opinion on Mac based on anything I saw.
• 58:02
  Speaker 7: Now.
• 58:03
  Speaker 6: What I was thinking was, it's gonna be hard to
• 58:07
  Speaker 6: embrace this until he plays, like I don't really feel
• 58:12
  Speaker 6: like I did. But once once training camp came now,
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: I said he was the better of the two guys,
• 58:20
  Speaker 6: you know, when we were doing the show. As we
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: were watching, he was better than Camp in training camp.
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: And I said, as long as they're at worst, they're even,
• 58:28
  Speaker 6: And as long as that's the case, why wouldn't you
• 58:29
  Speaker 6: play the rookie?
• 58:31
  Speaker 7: You know?
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: But that's sort of stuck in my head, like I
• 58:35
  Speaker 6: don't really believe in this guy, and he's the quarterback.
• 58:38
  Speaker 7: It's hard to fake that. I think the last the
• 58:41
  Speaker 7: Mac lesson that I learned from that perspective is just
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: to trust your gut. Because I was not a big
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: Mac guy going into the draft. Honestly, I had him
• 58:50
  Speaker 7: as the fifth quarterback of the draft. Clearly I thought
• 58:53
  Speaker 7: he was like an NFL starter. Was his ceiling, you know,
• 58:56
  Speaker 7: just an average run of the mill NFL starter. They
• 58:59
  Speaker 7: draft him and all all of a sudden, I'm bye
• 59:02
  Speaker 7: bought it. Like I thought, all right, this guy's going
• 59:04
  Speaker 7: to be you know, they see something I Bill see
• 59:06
  Speaker 7: something that I don't like. It's Bill Belichick making the pick.
• 59:08
  Speaker 7: Like you have to think if he's going to invest
• 59:10
  Speaker 7: a first round pick in a quarterback who's getting drafted
• 59:13
  Speaker 7: from the school that his best friend is, you know,
• 59:15
  Speaker 7: the coach at they must know something about Mac that
• 59:18
  Speaker 7: I don't know. And so I I took the cheese.
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: So my my probably my favorite draft moment for us
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: was and you'll remember this Paul old timer back in
• 59:31
  Speaker 4: ninety seven when they traded Drew Bledsoe and we were
• 59:34
  Speaker 4: allowed to break the news on Day two of the draft.
• 59:37
  Speaker 7: And that was two thousand and two.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Oh I mean two thousand and two.
• 59:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, that was that was big for us. That's
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: a good that's a good memory. Yeah.
• 59:48
  Speaker 6: We did just like Fred said, we we broke that news.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: People were pissed.
• 59:53
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, people were pissed. Good stuff with their
• 59:57
  Speaker 7: own website.
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: That's not fair. Yeah, no, literally, Patriots dot com broke
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 4: that news. Interesting that Bledsoe is going to be trade.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 7: Ever broke another story.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 9: I have no good stories to report from the draft
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 9: since I've been here.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 7: I would say last year was good. I loved last year.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: I mean it was the first time that I did
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 7: the draft party and was, you know, here to work
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: here for that, and then they picked the guy I wanted.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 6: So it's hard like I would go to the ones
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 6: that we hit, like Ty Warren was one that we had,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 6: Chandler Jones was one that we had, Brandon Merriweather was
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 6: one that we had. So when they when they took
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 6: guys that we were saying what we were mocking to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 6: the Patriots.
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 7: And I know.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: Everybody says that no one ever gets them right, Like, no,
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 6: sometimes you get them right. Sometimes you do, And those
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 6: are the ones that stand out for me.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 7: It is more positive.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 9: I'll never forget when Cole Strange was picked. That room
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 9: was probably one of the most uncomfortable rooms I've been,
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 9: Like you could hear a pen drop in there. Yeah,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 9: one when they traded back everyone, but then two when
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: they picked him. It was crazy, especially because I think
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 9: someone called him was like it was disbelief if they
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 9: picked so and so, like I'm jumping off a bridge.
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  Speaker 8: I think that was the same draft party.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 7: I was like, this is and you know, poor Cold Strange.
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  Speaker 4: You know, he's the he's like the example of the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: overreach in recent years for the Patriots, and it's not
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: his fault, you know, but like, man, was that an overreach?
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 7: Frankly, the whole draft, that whole classes they draft, they
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: overdrafted every single player in that draft by like a
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: round or two. Yeah, Cold Strange, Taekwon. I think Marcus
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 7: Jones is probably the only guy and he's the best player,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 7: And that was the only pick that I liked.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, And the thing about it, you know, other than Bill,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 4: it's all the same people here, so like it'd be
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: really interesting with the you know, the truth serum. Yeah,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: like who's picks worthy?
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: Onse?
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  Speaker 7: You know, well, I think it was a lot Bill
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 7: ninety five percent Bill, and then I think Mac.
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  Speaker 4: I still believe the cold Strange pick is because of
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: his ties to Tennessee. Bill he wanted to have He
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: wanted to be able to say, I'm from Tennis, I
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: was born in Tennessee, and I picked a Tennessee player.
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  Speaker 9: Okay, but why not pick one from like Tennessee. Yeah,
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 9: like Tennessee in the not a school, Give.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 6: Me a Memphis.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: He probably met the head coach at one time at
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Chattanooga and he really complimentated Bill up and down, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: he wanted to give him a solid.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 5: Rule.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 9: You can give him a solid by having him come
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 9: in as an undrafted free agent, but not as your.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 4: First round pick.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: I think that Bill has the final say. But I
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 6: do think that the whole collaborative part, like they're putting
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 6: like boards together and Bill's the one that's identifying. I
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 6: don't think that they had Cole Strange as a fifth
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: round pick. Everybody else in that room and Bill just
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 6: went rogue and said we're going to take him in
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 6: the first round. I think they thought higher of him
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 6: than everybody else.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I believe that. I think that they probably had
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 7: like a second round grade at that point in the
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 7: draft twenty eight is probably going to be a guy
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 7: that you graded out as a second rounder, because you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 7: don't you have maybe fifteen to eighteen first round grades
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 7: in a good draft class. So I can believe that
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 7: they probably thought cold Strange was with that pick. But
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 7: it was just the combination of the position he plays
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 7: and the fact that they reached on a guard in
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 7: the first round was just a very bad combination.
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 4: A little draft scenario game, would you rather this? Three scenarios?
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 4: The first one, would you rather take May eighty, Mitchell
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: and then Patrick Paul? That's your first group. The second
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 4: group is Jaden Daniels, Tyler Geiten, and Xavier Loguette. And
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 4: the third group is Marvin Harrison, bow Nix and Max Melton.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 6: The second one, okay, the only one I would have
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 6: no interest in is see I.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 7: Don't know how Max Melton got in there.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 9: Good play a was good, but something about be that
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 9: mixture of the I mean, the quarterback obviously is great,
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 9: but the tackle and the wide receiver. I really like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 9: Xavier a lot and also just be able to get
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 9: a good tackles either of.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 6: The first two. But is Patrick Paul? I assume that
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 6: he's going round one, round two, round three. Is that
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 6: a little that's what I thought like the third round
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 6: for him a.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: Little earlier late. I don't know which way, wait a
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 7: little bit, just because I think, you know, because of
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 7: the tackle premium. Yeah, but I think that he's probably
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: a third round graded player. Oh okay, but I don't
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: I don't know then, I don't know if he'll be
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 7: there just because tackles are tackles. You know you're gonna
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 7: you're gonna see a lot of tackles going in the
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 7: twenties in this draft. You know you're gonna have Alt Fugawa,
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 7: I would say, fashion you probably still and then you're
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 7: gonna see a lot of tackles.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 7: The guy ends the mims is those guys are gonna
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: all go in the twenties. And so then Day two
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 7: becomes Kingsley, Sua, Mattia, Patrick Pollock. These guys are gonna fall,
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 7: you know, fly off the board because.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 6: Kingsley guy's the one that's Peninsule's cousin.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, really really talented.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: Floyd in Michigan rights in for all those fans who
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: want to trade back, and we will figure out the
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: QB position down the Road. Please pay attention to the
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: Minnesota Vikings in their negotiations with the Patriots, and the
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 4: Vikings they have been embarrassing themselves. They come across as
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: a desperate team that grossly underestimated the cost to move
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: up into the top four to draft a quarterback. I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 4: don't care how bad a team is. When you have
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: an opportunity to draft a possible franchise quarterback, you draft them.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 4: Plus bad teams pick at the top of the draft
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: and pick quarterbacks all the time.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 6: What has Minnesota done?
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know. How would they embarrass them themself?
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 7: Well, Jeremy Fowler had a reporter over the weekend, which
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 7: I don't know if this is what he's getting at,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 7: but I have to imagine it is. The Vikings are
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 7: trying to make this trade without including twenty three. They won't.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 7: They don't want to. They don't want to trade both
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 7: ones to.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: Move Sow's how's that embarrassing?
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 7: I don't I have no idea, but that's the latest
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 7: report is that they acquired twenty three to hopefully still
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 7: trade up from eleven to get the quarterback and then
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 7: also take a non quarterback at twenty three.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean they're obviously trying for a pie in
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 6: the sky situation. I don't think there's anything embarrassing about
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 6: trying to give less to make a move. I think
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 6: the embarrassing thing would be, well, it's worth X and Y,
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 6: but we're gonna give you X, y Z everything else
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 6: in the future. That's embarrassing. That's being desperate and overpaying
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 6: like that, to me would be what you don't want
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 6: to do. Trying to get away with paying less.
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 7: To me, is smart.
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 6: They also have It's not gonna work, but it's smart.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 7: Quezi, their general manager, is one of these analytics guys,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: and his math is a little bit different in terms
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 7: of the trade chart than everybody else is. And he
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 7: doesn't put as much value in picks, like he thinks
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 7: picks are not worth as much.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 6: Well the trade charts too, and I understand like a
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 6: lot of people have said that, like they're not going
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 6: to get what they want because if you look eleven
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 6: and twenty three, well, the emailer that emailed in just
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 6: now he's right, like when you have the quarterback, then
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 6: that's a premium. It's not just the X on the spreadsheet.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 6: It's different, right, This is basically a three quarterback draft,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 6: and this is the third spot, right, so that costs
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 6: more than just what it says on the trade show.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, Mike and Brockton, if reasons why a quarterback fails
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: is an important thing to consider, how can you draft
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 4: one third overall? With the uncertainties and deficiencies on this team?
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 4: The offensive line is unproven, regardless of if you draft
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 4: a left tackle. There's no go to receiver. We have
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: no idea if this offensive coaching group is capable of
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: developing talent or calling plays productively. Why not give it
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 4: one year to see what your support system actually is
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 4: so you can identify your deficiencies properly and fix them
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 4: before bringing in a quarterback who may shoulder the blame
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 4: for things that aren't his fault. Where these quarterbacks are
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: a crapshoot, why not take the crap shoot next year?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 6: See I'm not big on the crapshoot thing.
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 4: You keep saying that you can't guarantee who will be
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 4: available at quarterback next year, But it's the same non
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 4: guarantee this year's class being.
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 6: Good, right, So why is it better to wait till
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 6: next year?
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Take take one year to enhance your roster and system
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: and staff so when you do draft a quarterback, he
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: has the support necessary to succeed.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 7: I understand where he's coming from. I don't like, it's
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 7: not like he's he's totally wrong or anything like that.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 7: I would just say, you know, Will Anderson was up
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 7: at the podium during OTA's the other day and he
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 7: said that people were coming up to him at the
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 7: Pro Bowl and asking him to get him to get
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 7: them to Houston to play with Stroud and to play
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 7: with Damiko Ryans. Does anybody want to play on the
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 7: Texans before they drafted C. J.
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 4: Stroud?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 7: Like, like where the Texans a destination or a team
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: that people looked at as a super Bowl.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 6: His argument is basically, you know, like, you're right, it's
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 6: not you know, it's not wrong. It's you know, build
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 6: the team before you get the quarterback. But I just
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 6: I don't really understand if you don't get the quarterback,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 6: it's not really gonna matter. You know, with very few exceptions.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 6: I think San Francisco was an outlier.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: It matters.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 6: It's it's it's mattered for San Francisco because they're that good. Yeah,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: I don't think there are a lot of teams like that. Yeah,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 6: I think the Texans. The only thing that Texans have
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 6: offensively is Laramie Tunzel, Like Tunzel was there before Stroud
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 6: was there and that. But maybe the Patriots look at
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 6: Mike on Winnu and say he's a blue chip offensive
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 6: lineman too.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 9: I think the Lions are another good example of they
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 9: built their team. Obviously they didn't draft the quarterback.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 6: Well, they got the drafts.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 8: But then they built around him and got him everything.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: I think there's no there's no way, there's no way
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 4: to do it. Like if you are a team that
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: has a lot of holes, you start shipping away at
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 4: those holes, and when the best player is available for
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 4: a certain hole, you take them, whether he's a quarterback,
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 4: a wide receiver, or whatever. You know, like my drafting,
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: like no, let me just finish. Like you know, people say, oh,
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 4: you can't draft a quarterback until you have people to
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 4: throw to. Well, I've also heard people say you can't
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 4: draft a receiver until you have a quarterback to throw to.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 6: Him, right, Like both of those things are probably accurate, but.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 4: But you have to get somebody. You also, like, if
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 4: the receiver comes first, so the quarterback comes first. Just
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: take the best guy and then you'll fill in the
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 4: you'll fill in the holes. Like there's no set way
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 4: of one has to come before the other. You start
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 4: building your team. It's a process and when an opportunity
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: is there, you take it, and you know, you start
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 4: filling in the holes after that.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 6: And what I hate, like the drafting, the whole crapshoot thing,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 6: it's the quarterbacks. I just feel like there's busts at
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 6: a lot of positions and I just you know, so,
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 6: what if, for arguments sake, Okay, we're not going to
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 6: take the quarterback because it's too risky. What if they
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 6: take Marvin Harrison and he turns out to be the
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 6: worst wide receiver you've ever seen, Roy Williams or Justin
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 6: Blackman or Kevin White top ten receivers who missed right, Okay,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 6: what if that happens? Are you were in better shape
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 6: because it wasn't a quarterback?
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 7: No, we're screwed.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 6: We had the three, We had the third overall pick
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: and got nothing thing out of it. Like, I mean,
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 6: I just don't understand why we're eliminating the crapshoot part
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 6: of it by not taking a quarterback.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 7: No, you're not.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: I mean, he wasn't as high. But Nikhil Harry hurt
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 4: this franchise by missing on that first round pick. That
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 4: hurt us, you know.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah that's an understatement. Yeah it did.
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 6: There's no there's no argument.
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 4: He wasn't even the third overall.
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: Right, just think about it. How much worse it would
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: be if you miss on the third pick.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Yeah, let's see, this is emery. Uh, he says. I
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 4: agree with Paul that beyond Michigan in Ohio State, the
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 4: Big Ten doesn't have many oppressive teams. However, the Big
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: Ten does have defenses that are much better than ACC.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: McCarthy has faced seven top twenty scoring defenses in the Big.
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 6: Ten because none of those teams can play in the
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 6: past and they can't score. Iowa is in the Big
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 6: Ten Championship over the past and they can't score ten points.
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: While May has faced two in the ACC, not to
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 4: mention facing the number one rank Michigan defense in practice.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 9: Also, and JJ might have had a coaching staff cheating
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 9: and looking up people's places.
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 6: But like, I'm not a huge ACC guy. I don't
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 6: think the ACC is great now, Okay it's not. But
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 6: I'm sorry if I look at North Carolina having to
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 6: play Clemson in Florida State every year is being comparable
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 6: to anybody in the Big Ten having to play Ohio State.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 7: More or even n C State this past year was
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 7: But I'm not even counting them.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 6: Like, to me, that's like Wisconsin. But none of those
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 6: teams can score.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 8: But that's just big good this year.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Iowa is in the Big Ten Championship because
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 6: of the way the Big Ten is split, and they
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: could not score ten points in a game.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 7: Right, That's just how the games in the Big Ten
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 7: are played. It's thirteen to ten. It's old by nature.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: It's old school smash. It's not great defense, it's just
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: bad offense.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. So he goes on to say, uh,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: McCarthy's QBR is higher than May's QBR in those games
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 4: where he played better defenses. He says, I'm in favor
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: of drafting May at three purely because of the trades,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 4: but their level of defensive competition wasn't similar, you know.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 6: So do you know how we say, like in the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 6: NFL that the teams, you know, the teams that are
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 6: in those divisions that have bad offenses have inflated stats. Yeah,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 6: well that's in the league when there's only thirty two
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 6: teams and everybody plays the same teams. Do you imagine
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 6: how much more out of whack it is in the
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 6: Big Ten as opposed to playing the team that has
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 6: a pulse.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 4: Well, like, so he goes down, you know, the.
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 6: Like if Megan, If Megan was here, I'd even go in,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 6: you know, double battles. I mean, but you play in Northwestern.
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 6: Last time, Northwestern could score.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 4: But here's here's kind of I make your point, Illinois, he.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 6: Goes to Minnesota. None of those teams can move the
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 6: ball and score.
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: You know, since Maryland for better defense that McCarthy's played.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: Iowa was second, And I'm telling you what would happen
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: to Iowa if they played in the SEC. I know,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: I'm That's what I'm making your point. Now, Penn State
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: was tenth at the time, Illinois was number one in
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, Nebraska thirteenth, Penn State third, and twenty
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: three Ohio State. Okay, they were good. Ohio State's good
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 4: and then Iowa again in twenty three. So like Iowa, Illinois, Nebraska,
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: you know.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 6: They're not that good in defenses. Yeah, I know what
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 6: their numbers say. Their numbers are incredible because they play
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 6: against a bunch of teams like them that can't go
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 6: from here to there without falling down.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, is that what you were looking for? I love
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: this thing. Is that what you because I used to
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 7: feel this way. You know, the Pac twelve has gotten
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 7: a lot better.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: Pac twelve had a really good year last year, but
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 6: the pack twell ironically last.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 7: Year of his existences like this for me, where like
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 7: everybody in the PAC twelve is slow, and so you
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 7: have like a guy like Nikhil Harry who can reverse
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 7: field in the PAC twelve. If Nikil Harry tried to
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 7: reverse field in the SEC, he would have he would
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 7: have been tackled for like a ten yard loss.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: And that's why.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 6: Michigan and Ohio State have separated themselves from the rest
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 6: of that conference because they the rest of it still
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 6: can't move.
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 7: They got athletes and they get nowt.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 9: That's how I feel about the Big twelve. Like all
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 9: of them can score a ton of offense, like it's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 9: like a basketball score, but then none of them can
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 9: play defense. Like why is the score like seventy two
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 9: to fifty one.
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  Speaker 7: Why it's just the way that those teams are built.
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  Speaker 7: You know, they're they're recruiting, they're coaching is all on
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  Speaker 7: the offensive side of the ball.
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  Speaker 6: It's a great it's a great example. Glad you brought
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 6: up the Big Twelve. So what happened two years ago?
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  Speaker 6: Everybody talks about the National Championship this year from Michigan.
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  Speaker 6: Two years ago they played a thoroughly average TCU team
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  Speaker 6: out out of the Big Twelve and gave up fifty
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 6: in the semi finals. And how did JJ McCarthy do
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 6: in that game? Oh, we threw a couple of pick sixes.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 6: Like this great defense couldn't slow down TCU that night.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 6: With say it again, Max Duggan, who by the way,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 6: was a terrific college quarterback drafted free agency, is nowhere
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 6: near the caliber of players that we're talking about with
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 6: with even JJ McCarthy and stone Hands Johnson Stonehands.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, and I would I would say, like, was it
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  Speaker 9: this year that we saw Likexas play Alabama tight, Texas
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  Speaker 9: beat out Yeah, Like I feel like their offenses can
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 9: play well. Now Texas is going to the SEC, but
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 9: their offenses can play in the SEC.
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  Speaker 6: That's because they have Steve Sarkisian, right, But if you
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 6: had like the Biggest twelve offenses that are good offense
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 6: is year in and year out. If they played in
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 6: the Big Ten, they would score just the same. Oh yeah,
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 6: it's not just because the Big twelve can't play defense,
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  Speaker 6: which is true, but it would look a lot different
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  Speaker 6: if Illinois was playing against Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas State, even
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: you know back in not not now, but West Virginia
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: about five years ago. Like those Big twelve offenses can
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: can score and TCU is a good offense too. If
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 6: they were playing those teams instead of Illinois and Nebraska
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 6: and Northwestern, they wouldn't be ranked number two in the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 6: in the country. And defense of disrespect to Megan, but
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: I'll take the game they like when Diego puts the
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 6: glasses on, which she does the Northwestern they.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 7: Or like the one that's like, what's his best film
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 7: for JJ McCarthy's against Michigan State, who was an absolute
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 7: train wreck sast year. And every single time you go
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: through a Big ten offensive player and you say, oh,
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 7: where was his best game? It was against Michigan State.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison junior. You know, all of these guys all
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 7: went off against Michigan State.
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  Speaker 4: Good because they should, right Yeah, their best game should
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: be against the worst play team, you know, Dylan writes
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: in from Augusta, Maine, thinking about McCarthy. What I can't
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: get past when people argue he wasn't asked to do
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: much in college, is wouldn't he be asked to do
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 4: more if he had the ability. I can't imagine Harbor
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: would hold him back if he truly had elite abilities.
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 4: That is what scares me up.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 6: I'm gonna defend McCarthy a little bit on that, Okay, Like,
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 6: if you're in college and your Jim hobball, you do
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 6: what you do to give you the best chance to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 6: go twenty seven to one. Yeah, Like, No, I wouldn't
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  Speaker 6: have asked him to say, you know, I'm gonna try
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 6: to help your draft stock here, I'm gonna we're gonna
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 6: throw it all over the yard. No, I mean hardball
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 6: was under fire right before he finally started beating Ohio State. Yeah,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 6: with Kate McNamara, by the way, he was under fire
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 6: and he had to win. Yeah, So I don't think
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  Speaker 6: that he should have you know, I don't think that's
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 6: necessarily an indictment on McCarthy, that they played that one the.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: TCU game is kind of an indictment on McCarthy though,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 7: But he was. But in his defense, he put up
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 7: a bunch of plastic numbers. Second, he was like twenty,
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 7: and he was like I think he was a true sophomore,
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: like he was young. But yeah, that was the one
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 7: game where you had to put up points.
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 6: Like the Alabama game started the same way and he
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 6: got bailed out.
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  Speaker 9: So that was the one game where they couldn't use
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 9: the extra scouting that they.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: Got to the game very good. I like this angle
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 7: as well, just pilot it all.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 6: So that's why he would make sense for the Patriots.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 6: Knows how, knows how to decipher information.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 7: The Big ten stinks is they were signed, stealing and
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: near the players ahead of time.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: I liked it, so.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 6: I thought you were ready to like argue with me
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 6: on my Big ten. No, it's really it's been bubbling
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 6: under the surface because I like Drake May, I'm not
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 6: gonna lie. Yeah, And I just don't think there's a
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 6: huge difference in those two conferences. I think high end
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 6: Michigan and Ohio State are better than anybody in the ACCA.
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  Speaker 4: I think they should get rid of all these stupid
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: conferences and have one Super Conference. It's coming the top
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: fifty teams and it's like soccer in Europe where you
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: can be relegated out. If out of the top Western
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 4: you're gone right.
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  Speaker 7: Well, because of nil and all the TV deals and
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 7: stuff like that, I think that something they're going to
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 7: have to reconfigure college football that's coming. Yeah, where it's
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 7: gonna reckon. There's gonna be all the top teams are
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 7: going to just play each other and it's not going
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 7: to be by conference, and you're not gonna have Michigan
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  Speaker 7: beating you know.
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  Speaker 4: All these conference fat cats in their suits. Too bad,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 4: you're out. You're out because they're making boat loads of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 4: money off you know, running the Big Ten and all
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: that stuff. You're out one one. Super conference. It's coming
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: top fifty teams. That'd be cool, huh.
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 6: And football is driving the boat chief yep. And basketball
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 6: is gonna end up having to follow suit. It's gonna
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 6: ruin that tournament you watch.
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  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, this year was wild.
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  Speaker 4: Why do you think I think so? You think basketball
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  Speaker 4: would do?
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  Speaker 6: Basketball wants more of the power teams, the money teams
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 6: in the tournament, and they want to push out the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 6: little guys that get automatic bits. Yeah, I personally look
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 6: at it, not just because I'm a Northeastern guy. Before you,
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 6: I'll take your little punchline away from you. Yeah, I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 6: think that the little guys that would make the tournament.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like the first the first round or two,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 6: like when Oakland beats Kentucky. That's what people remember about this.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 6: You know, all due respect to Yukon, people will remember
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 6: those upsets in the first round before long after people
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 6: remember that.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know you sixty four teams make that tournament. Like,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 4: how many of the money teams are getting shafted.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 6: There's a handful, are there. Yeah, there's a handful, not
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 6: a lot. But they want all of their teams that
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 6: are quote unquote good in the tournament because they put
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 6: so much money into it. Yeah, and that's how the
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 6: that's how we enjoy the n So let's face it,
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  Speaker 6: like those are the teams, those those programs are the
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 6: ones that.
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  Speaker 7: Feed the whole.
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  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, well Seaton Hall, Saint John's Indiana State is
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 6: not a big time, but they probably should.
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 7: Have been into.
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  Speaker 4: Larry Bird went there, so it big time.
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  Speaker 6: Those those teams they want everybody in, like if you
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 6: went eighteen and fifteen, they want you they want that
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 6: team in the tournament.
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  Speaker 3: and Chris. It has been a while, Yes, I think
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  Speaker 3: people have been happy being like they're gone. We're not gone.
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  Speaker 3: We're taking we were taking all the sabbatical at Cray
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  Speaker 4: It's been crazier, all right. Question one.
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  Speaker 3: I think you're gonna get a T shirt, but we'll see.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what they're sending out these days. Question one,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: how many touchdowns did Matt Castle throw as a New
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: England Patriot? All Right? His whole career as a Patriot.
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  Speaker 3: Question two, before Billy Kundiff's missed game time field goal
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  Speaker 3: attempt in a twenty eleven AFC Championship game, the Patriots
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  Speaker 3: stopped the Ravens on a potential touchdown to Lee Evans,
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  Speaker 3: which Patriots defensive back broke up the potential game winning touchdown.
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  Speaker 3: All right, yeah, you have no idea about that one.
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  Speaker 3: And question three, this is a layup for some how
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: many passing yards of Tom Brady have in Super Bowl
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: fifty two. All right, so Chris.
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  Speaker 7: Hold on, Yeah, I had a.
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  Speaker 13: Matt Castle jersey when I was little. I begged my
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 13: parents to get me a mac Castle jersey for my
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 13: birthday one year because because they were like, I was
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 13: on the Castle train when Brady was in that starting
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 13: role and he went down. I was like, it might
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 13: have been the only nine year old who asked for
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 13: a Matt Castle jersey.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Do you still have it?
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: I mean, if I do, I would never wear it,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 7: definitely not.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: Bring it to the studio. But all right, Chris, we're
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: gonna get into this. We got football movies. You know,
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna ease back into the halftime show stuff here.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: So what are your favorite football movies? Do your top three,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: top three.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 7: We can rattle off some yeah, some special ones though, Okay, outside.
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: Of well, do your top three and I'll do my time.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 7: That sounds good. So my top three.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 13: I mean, this is just all, like all time, even
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 13: out of the category of football movies. Just one of
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 13: my favorite movies of all time. Remember the Titans. Yep,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 13: you know that whole movie what it stands for. It
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 13: really brings everything together, whether it's football, whether it's you know,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 13: just everything, the whole storyline. It's amazing the way they
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 13: show those players and they're sort of how they interact
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 13: with each other. It's very interesting and its teaches you
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 13: about history and it also teaches you just about the
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 13: game of football in general.
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  Speaker 3: Classic Disney.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 13: Yeah, and I met coach Boon there you go. He
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 13: talked to my team one year. It was pretty cool
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 13: to listen to.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: Talk of that a legend of the game. What else
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: you got other two?
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 7: I would put Friday Night Lights at two?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 13: I mean Boomy Miles another great story. Yeah, of course,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 13: if not a spoiler, but came down to the wire
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 13: in that championship game. But actually, I think isn't.
• 1:26:12
  Speaker 7: That that's a based on true stories. Yeah, so's I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 7: guess people know this story.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: Ernie Adams has a tie to that. By the way,
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 3: he went on his podcast. He knew the writer. The
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: writer went to school with him, and he said he's
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 3: gonna write about football in Pennsylvanian already. I was like, no,
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: you should go to Texas.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 7: Damn those guys.
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Like what else you got?
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 7: H three?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: This is great?
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 13: Iron Gang another great one. I know we talked about
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 13: it earlier. But first of all, one of the rocks
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 13: best movies.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, just that right before he became like.
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 7: He was still ding and his arms weren't like crazy
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 7: blowing out of his shirts.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: All right, all right, that's I had a little more
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: of a description, but no, all right, so responded that,
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: first of all, I love Friday Lights the show more
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: than the movie.
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 7: I haven't seen the show.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: The show. You should get on that, by the way.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: But those are great choices. I'm gonna this is in
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: no order, by the way, I think I have grid
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 3: Iron Gang in my top three. And then I got
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Varsity Blues, which you're showing my age here because you
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: don't even know what that is. That's Paul Walker playing
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: the quarterback. It has some Friday vibes. That's your homework.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: Varsity Blue, Varsity Blues. He's never seen Varsity Blues? Crazy?
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 7: Was that like nineteen ninety two?
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 4: That was?
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: That was I check real quick? Yeah, Chris, okay, and
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: then I'm throwing any given Sunday in there? Have you
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: seen that one?
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 7: So that movie is very slow for me? Okay, I
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 7: don't really like that movie. I watched the first hour
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 7: and I shut it off because I was like, I'm
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 7: kind of tired.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's a great plot in my idea,
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: Willie Demon. Yeah, all right, all right, So talked about
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: some others that we didn't get in there? Yeah, go ahead,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: right were Marshall?
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 13: Ohang, absolute banger. I mean that first of all, that
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 13: story is horrible, horrible.
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 7: So so sad.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 13: But Matthew McConaughey, Oh my gosh, Matthew McConaughey in that
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 13: movie is amazing and just again, it tells the whole
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 13: story very remember the Titans, ask tells the whole story.
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 7: You get it all there, and like you, you kind
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 7: of feel the emotions throughout the whole movie, and I
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 7: love that. I love every part of it.
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: We got the express have you seen that? Is that
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 3: Ernie Davis? Ernie Davis? Yes, yes, have you seen that one? Though?
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 7: So we had it on a.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 13: CD when it came out. I don't fully remember everything
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 13: about it, but also I just his story.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: This is another one.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 3: I love the replacements Jean Reeve Shane. Have you not
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: seen that either? No, Chris, you are killing me, brother.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: That's not that's nineties too, That's no, that's two thousand,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 3: two thousand on the dot.
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: Dude, What do you want me to do about these?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: I want you to go back and do some homework,
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: all right?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: What about?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: What about this one? Isn't really focused on the field
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: draft day? It's all right? Yeah, yeah, it is draft season.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 3: It's a good movie, ye.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 13: I mean, if you're somebody that needs to learn the
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 13: ins and outs of how a GM functions during draft time,
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 13: that's a great movie to watch, all right, But I
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 13: just think it's silly.
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: All I'm amost three more for you. I hope you've
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: seen them. Longest Yard, the Adam Sandler version.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 7: Long Long He Started.
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 13: Adam Sandler version is one of the best Burt Reynolds,
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 13: the original Reynolds, but the originals, Okay, alright, I prefer
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 13: that Adam Sandler.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 3: One Invincible Mark Wahlberg, that movie's overrated. Okay, but you've
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 3: seen it, Yeah, okay, I've seen it. And then the
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: water Boy was that six? Yea invisible six? And what
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: about the water Boy?
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 7: Water Boy is also legendary. Although that's more Is that
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 7: less about football? Or is that more boy about just
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 7: Adam Sandler?
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: Adam Sandler, Adam Yeah, that's what I'm thinking. All right, Chris,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 3: we had some good, good stuff here. You have some
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  Speaker 4: I'd say, all right, it's one week away from the draft.
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  Speaker 4: All right, little Tuesday trivia you want to partake?
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  Speaker 7: Yes, sir?
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  Speaker 4: How many touchdowns did Matt Castle throw as a Patriot
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  Speaker 4: twenty two incorrect, nineteen incorrect, twenty three. Oh, I was
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 4: close before Billy Kundiff's missed game tying field goal attempt
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  Speaker 4: in the twenty eleven AFC Championship Patriots.
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  Speaker 7: That's correct.
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  Speaker 4: The Patriots stopped the Ravens on a potential touchdown to
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 4: Lee Evans. Which Patriots defensive back broke up that potential
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 4: game winning touchdown?
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: Refras that question which Ravens receiver dropped the pass in
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 6: the end that would be Lee Evans?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: Well, I wasn't sure if we were going.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 4: I was going to say Sterling Moore. And at the time,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 4: I remember Paul pooh poohing, how good a play that
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 4: was for Sterling Moore?
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 7: Hands baby laid hands?
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 6: Because right, it's a it's a drop.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 7: And if.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 6: If Wes Welker or Randy Moss ever did that, yeah,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: they'd be destroyed.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: I actually saw that going around Twitter, the Welker play
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: in twenty eleven, and like, again, the was it a drop?
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 7: Was it a bad throw? It's like, guys, it's been
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 7: it's been over ten years.
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  Speaker 4: It's a drop. I think we can move on. It's
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 4: both it's a drop. Wasn't a perfect throw, but it should.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: Have been a bad throw that was that was could
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 7: have could have been caught.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 4: How many passing yards did TB twelve have in Super
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 4: Bowl fifty two? Five o five five oh five is correct?
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 4: The one they lost?
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 6: I mean, the answer tells me which one it is,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: but I, you know, like the fifty two, I have
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 6: a hard time with those, like knowing which one, which
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 6: one is which.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 7: Yeah, when you watch that game, which I did watch
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: it back one time, and like how wide open some
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 7: of the Patriots receivers were in that game for a Super.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 6: Bowl is wild And there was a couple of like
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 6: broken plays for like fifty yards.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like chrim the sideline gronk. You know, Brandon Cooks
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 7: before he got hurt obviously had a big catch, and
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 7: these guys there's nobody within twenty yards. Like I have
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 7: no idea what the Eagles secondary was doing.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 4: So I had to do with the Patriots have won
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: that game if Cooks didn't get hurt. Does that happened
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 4: in the first half?
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 14: I thought you were gonna say, Malcolm Butler, it's hard
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 14: to argue that they would have won that game because
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 14: of anything.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 6: In addition, they could have done offensive. Yeah they didn't punt.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. If Malcolm Butler plays easily, they win that
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 7: game easily easily.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 6: So I had to do a thing for Sailor on TikTok. Yeah,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: I'm not sure if that ever got posted.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 14: I saw it.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, it came up on my feed.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: So we were doing like a quick bracket of the
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 6: best postseason games, and she had it on the bracket
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 6: with the Super Bowls with the Roman numerals, and I'm like, yeah,
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 6: we're gonna need to do I need to write the
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 6: numbers out.
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 4: I always have to do thirty six and work upwards.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 7: Right, you know.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 6: But when you just look at it real quick and
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 6: you're like, oh, that's forty nine, Okay, Seattle. But it
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 6: takes me a second to think about what is one.
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 8: It was TikTok loves Paul and Evan.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: I think, yeah, I think Seattle is the best one.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 7: That's my favorite super Bowl. I think obviously the twenty
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 7: eight to three story is more Hollywood, you know, the comeback.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: But just two heavyweights in the middle of the ring
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 7: for four quarters. Yeah, two all time great rosters.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: Yep, Barton Poland, I see Daniels as a Jalen Hurts type,
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 4: someone who you just want and need to maximize on
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: the rookie contract, and as soon as they get paid,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 4: I don't know if they can lead your team without
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: the surrounding cast. I think you'd be wasting twenty percent
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: of what makes him valuable dropping him into this offense.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: And he's talking about Daniels. That's why I'm declaring myself,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: take Drake May if he's there. If not, trade down, I.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 6: Mean, I get his Daniels take. I don't get the
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 6: comparison to Hurts.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: There's some passing comparisons to hurt No.
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 6: No, I don't mean as a player, Like he's sort
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 6: of making this line of demarcation about you don't pay them, Like,
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 6: well they pay. They were like eleven and one.
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 8: Yeah, was he saying if you take away Hurtz's surround.
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 6: Recording cast, like they're a good team. Yeah, Philadelphia has
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 6: good players, and they went to the Super Bowl and
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 6: had every chance to win it, and the next year
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 6: they were well on their way to do that and
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: they fell apart at the end of the like they
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: were ten and one right finished the eleven and yeah,
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 6: Like is that because the supporting cast was not there
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 6: like that. That's the only part that I can get.
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 6: I get the comparisons, you know, obviously stylistically.
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this this next email, I don't know what I
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: feel about. I might have to go on a rant
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: about this one. Wanted to respond to the email. Let
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: me know when you decide, Okay, I wanted to respond.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: This is Longino from Jersey. I want to respond to
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 4: the emailer that wants to draft Daniels. Just want to
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 4: say that I honestly believe we don't have the coaching
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 4: staff that fits Daniel's play style. I would love a
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: dynamic player like him, but I don't think he'll work
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: in whatever system this is. I feel like May is
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 4: the better choice and fits the profile we need for
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 4: this organization. What's your int My My problem with that
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 4: is if we have a coaching style that can't take
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 4: the better player, then I have a problem with our
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 4: coaching staff.
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 7: Well, maybe he's not the best. Maybe it's more closely,
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 7: you know, it's sort of like, you know, the intangible
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: stuff with McCarthy or the record with McCarthy. I wouldn't
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 7: say that that puts him above the tier two quarterbacks.
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 7: But if you feel like it's close, and then you
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 7: have a guy that's got those intangibles. I think it's
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 7: the same thing with the system, where the system is
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 7: like maybe the difference maker. Like you if you have
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: a kind of split between Daniels and May, I.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 4: Guess if they're close. But if you're saying that Daniels
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: is going to be the better quarterback in the NFL
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: and because of our coaching staff in their system, he
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 4: wouldn't be a fit in the Patriots, I got a
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 4: big problem with that.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 6: You know, well, yeah, I understand what you're saying on
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 6: the surface, but if you have an offense that you
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 6: don't think Daniels would be a better player than May and.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 4: Change your offense, oh okay.
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 7: I just don't know if it's that easy.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 6: But like new coaching staff, like why, I mean, because
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 6: you have a coaching staff that has a system that
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 6: they want to put in.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 9: But I would say that when, by the way, when
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 9: the Ravens picked Lamar Jackson and they decided to.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 8: Go with them, they had to change their whole offense exactly.
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 8: He's not the same.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: But they went out and hired a different guy.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they hired Greg who is the king of the
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 7: mobile quarterback.
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 4: Do you think it's that drastic between Daniels in May
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 4: that you would have to hire a.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: New statf I'm just saying hypothetically, I know, but.
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 4: I'm asking, does Daniels require as the Patriots exists today?
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: Would he require different coaches to be successful?
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 7: On the surface, I'd say yes, just because I think
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: a VP wants to run a West Coast Cleveland style offense,
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 7: tons of under center, tons of play action, bombs away
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 7: off of play action, you know, like vertical shots down
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 7: the field off of that. But do I think that
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 7: av Do I think highly enough of a VP that
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 7: he could maybe adjust it? Yeah, but he's not Greg Roman, Like,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 7: he's not you know, college coach that has the background,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 7: like a Cliff Kingsbury that has a background in that
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 7: type of offense. So it is different, Like it is
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 7: stylistically something that I have talked about a lot. But
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 7: that Drake May is the best fit for the traditional
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 7: Alex Van Pelt offense, does that mean that Alex van
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 7: Pelt can't morphit to fit Daniels. I know, I mean,
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 7: he's a professional coach, so maybe he could.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: That's what I think. I mean.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 6: It's football, you know, yeah, that's but that's not true though,
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 6: you know. I mean, I understand your point on the surface,
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 6: but if you have an offense that wants to do
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 6: X and you don't think that that quarterback can do X,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 6: it doesn't make any sense.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 7: I want to do what's best for the quarterback, right,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 7: which means changing the system. And I think the one
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 7: thing that probably got him fired in Cleveland was Deshaun Watson, Right.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 7: He couldn't build the system around a quarterback like that
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 7: is the thing that got him fired, and that's Jaden Daniels.
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 7: He wanted Deshaun Watson under center, turning around with hard
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: play action. And I heard Evan has used this phrase
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 7: with Jaden Daniels. If you want to have him play
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: like that, that's sort of taking away his superpower. Right,
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: that's a phrase that you've used in the past, and
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 7: I agree with it.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 6: It doesn't mean that he can't do another offense Alex
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 6: van Pelt, but I don't think that's the offense that
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 6: he is really a customer running.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 7: Like we're gonna put Jade and Daniels under center and
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: then we're gonna hard play action, nine step drop bootleg.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: Then we're gonna have him come off the bootleg and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 7: we're gonna have him throw it fifty yards down the field.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 7: No, not not the quarterback for that.
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 9: So in.
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: In Lamar Jackson's first year, he didn't have Greg Roman, right.
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 6: I believe they got him after that, but they might
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: have had him, I don't remember.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: I think he was.
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: I don't think he was the play caller yet. I
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 7: think he was like on the staff, but I believe
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 7: he was already in the building.
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 6: I remember John Harbaugh getting a lot of credit for
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 6: sort of scrapping his offense, Yeah, and sort of doing
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 6: it differently with you know, you know, with a change.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it was real. It was a I
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 4: think a courageous move to take Lamar Jackson and just
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: we're gonna run an offense that's gonna be best for
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: our quarterback. And I think they've worked.
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 7: He was the tight ends coach the Eagles to seventeen eighteen.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 6: He was assistant head coach, tight ends coach. Yeah, well
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 6: so he wasn't, but he wasn't the play caller until
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 6: the next year.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 4: I think they did, but I don't think they really
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: started using Hurts the right way until his second year.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 7: You know, they definitely turns. His offense is notoriously one
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 7: of the most watered down offenses in the league. Yeah,
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 7: they they run like five different plays. There's like three
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 7: different types of Reid option style plays that they run
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 7: with him, and it's ISO shots to those two receivers
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 7: and push and sixth places.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 6: But to that point, they did have a different coach
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 6: come in. Yeah, right, his rookie year. It wasn't the
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 6: same coordinator. Right, wasn't stik in there?
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 7: Yes, Stichen's there. Yeah, I mean I think that that's
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 7: a big reason why they fell off last year, was
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 7: I think he left. I think Stichen might be the
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: brain of that entire thing, because they are very simplistic
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: and they just found ways to dress it up differently,
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 7: pre snapped to make you think it was something else
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 7: when it wasn't.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: Florian writes in from Germany. Assuming the Patriots take May
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: or any other quarterback at three, how do you feel
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 4: about taking wide receivers in round two and three? For
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: examples able to get in tz Walker. I don't like that,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: you know, doubling up. You don't want to do that.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 6: I don't mind doubling up, but not in two and three.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, too much or to I think that it is
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: a if they decide to go receiver with thirty four
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 7: and then they wanted to take two tackles in rounds
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 7: three and four, maybe they have two guys that are
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: graded pretty similarly and they both think could project the starters.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 7: So we're just gonna hedge our bets and take two
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: of them, and that double dip I think makes sense
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: they which have done multiple times in the past.
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  Speaker 6: Right, Or if you take the tackle in the second
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 6: round and you wait till the third round, then I'm
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 6: not necessarily minding if you go third and fourth with receivers. Yeah,
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 6: but I think that you need to take three different
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 6: positions with the first three picks.
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 4: Emailer rights in and he says, Hello, we host the
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: podcast out of Colorado. We're looking for Patriots insiders that
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 4: be interested in being a podcast guest next week to
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: discuss the Patriots Draft, and anyone be interested, Paul will
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 4: do it.
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 7: That's Paul. Why is that Paul?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 6: Actually the one that did the.
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 7: That was you. I actually have another one tomorrow too.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 6: I did the main radio station to.
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 7: People up there.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 14: Actually the person that does these is Deuce. You gotta
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 14: you gotta call. You got deuce written on it. You
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 14: gotta in all serious to send us. You know, forward
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 14: that email friend to me and make sure I get it.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 7: Oh is that a web radio?
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you got it.
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 7: I respond to those people. I have a soft spot.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: Remember, you want to reach back down. You're not a
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: ladder puller. You keep the ladder down so others can
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 4: reach your heights.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: Right, Okay, do you respond to the heights?
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 4: Heights?
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 7: Heights is a strong word ever to Everest whatever I
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: can't do you listen? Do you respond to like the
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 7: college kids?
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Paul does a whole school circuit and where he
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 4: goes to like grade schools and high schools and talks
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 4: to them.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 6: This is where he's really a bad guy. You know
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 6: how many times Fred has said to me, like separately,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 6: like you know, it's really cool that you do that.
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 6: And now he's on Now we were on the radio
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 6: and everybody's listening.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 4: This morning. You knew that he was he was right.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 4: You were making fun of him. You said you were mean.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 7: Well, it was different.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 6: He was making fun of a tennis that I know, Dennis,
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 6: I know, but.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 4: He was right. Kind of Yeah, so sometimes you play
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 4: a car.
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 6: But yeah, I do some some high school stuff, some college.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 14: I'm going to send them all to you, not because no, no, no,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 14: you're not going to send them all to me. Just
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 14: wait till you get the wait till you get the
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 14: library circuit.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 7: I did a couple of live.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 4: Paul also does the awards banquet circuit where he talks
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 4: at awards.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 7: I don't do couple libraries.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 9: Oh.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 7: I do the club.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 6: I've done the club a couple of times.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: Club that's ef every club, that's my club.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 7: A club I've ever said.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 6: It's like the athletic club.
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 4: It's hard to get into. Can anyone join?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 6: Well, yeah, as long as you roshdy athlete. Well, I
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 6: mean I think anybody. It's it's like a charity. It's
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 6: you give scholarships for the current.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 4: Like the Harvard club.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 7: They don't.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 6: I did get a tie with the crest on it
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 6: the club.
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 9: I met someone from your Everett High school Friday. I
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 9: had a panel and doctor Shirker I think is his name.
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 9: He played football and lacrosse there and now he's an
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 9: orthopedic surcher.
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 7: How old is he?
• 1:48:38
  Speaker 8: I have no idea, but.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: It's probably after Paul's time, maybe because maybe they have across.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 6: You can't give every guys every kids.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 4: It's a weapon. Wow, baseball bat isn't what I went.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 6: I went. No, A hockey stick isn't either a friend.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 6: It's a stupid Paul, Why are you killing me today?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 4: But anyway, Paul, like he gives back to the kids.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 7: Make fun of this, but what what I'll take it?
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 7: Who's making fun of you? I try to as well,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 7: but I always feel like I don't wanna you know,
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: not that I love my job, don't get me wrong,
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 7: but you gotta be honest too about about certain things.
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 7: Like one kid asked me, like, what's the work life balance?
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 7: Like I'm like, well, like during football season, not so good,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: it's not so great. Like I'm not gonna lie. I'm
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 7: not gonna sit here and tell you because then you
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 7: get into it and you don't you know, you're thinking
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 7: one thing and then it's a totally different.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: Ever, catch yourself trying to be so like deep, you know, like,
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 6: so what are you interested? I just I love sports? Yeah,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 6: but do you love to write?
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 4: But do you love it?
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 8: What's the thing you love?
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 7: Do you really really love it?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 9: So it's funny you talked about that because in my
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 9: higher view or whatever it's called. They asked me what
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 9: work life balance look like for me? Like, is this
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: a true question?
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that that question should never be asked to someone
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: going for a job. Been pro sports. Yeah, I mean,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: if you're looking for work life balance, go find another professional.
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 7: Which is totally fine, Like, you know what you're signing
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: up for. Just these kids should know that that's what
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 7: they're signing up for. You at kids today, they're different, Evan,
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 7: keep in mind, it's different.
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 6: It's it's like, you know, working for a hospital, Like
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 6: there's no weekends, there's no off days, there's no holidays.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 6: We've had games in recent years on Thanksgiving that's exactly Christmas, Eve,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 6: New Year's. You know, you just you figure it out
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 6: when when the game falls. You work beats working for
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 6: a living.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 4: But sure so one of our listeners actually work for
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 4: PFF and we've gone back and forth about their grading system.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: But he's writing back in.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: If I apologize, can we stop talking about this?
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 4: He says, I was excited to hear the email read
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 4: last week and uh caused some discussion. Normally I listened
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 4: to the podcast, but trying to get this on the show.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: A couple answers and reactions to the questions. Mike's question
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 4: he asked how I graded Vince Wilfork. I actually wasn't
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 4: a greater. I was assigned to watching games and labeling
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 4: each player at each position defensive formations, offensive formations. This
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 4: was entry level. It used to take me seven to
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: eight hours per game. It was brutal and the hardest
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: money I ever made. Two people did each game. They
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 4: would compare each person's mapping for discrepancies. If you were
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 4: one hundred percent accurate, you made one hundred bucks, scaling
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 4: down to zero if you were less than ninety percent accurate.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 4: I once got zero dollars for a Patriots Raiders game
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: where the Raiders swapped out a guard in the third
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 4: quarter that they didn't notice. And this was the moment
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 4: I knew I couldn't keep doing eight hours of rewatching
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: per game.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: That's a funny start. I don't mean to laugh at you,
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 6: but that's a funny story.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 7: I interviewed for one of their positions like that coming
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 7: out of college, and I knew at the beginning that
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 7: this was something that was not.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: Going to be worth even for you.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it was, because it's like one hundred dollars a game,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 7: and it just you're charting like, oh, he was the
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 7: one technique, he was the zero, he was the five,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 7: he was this. It's it's tedious, he says.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: Overall agreement with Evan. Ultimately I get, I get not
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 4: putting one hundred percent stake in the ratings, But what
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 4: PFF tracks is ultimately a net positive and getting a
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 4: pulse on who is playing well. And a lot of
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: the metrics they tracked do provide insight. Not surprising that
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: some NFL players are going to roll their eyes at
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 4: some of the ratings. But I can also say that
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 4: when I was there in twenty eleven twelve, there were
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: a couple NFL scouting departments that work directly with PFF
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 4: on getting data from them, So the metrics were valued
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 4: in the NFL, as some departments preferred to use PFF
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 4: to outsource some of those metrics and analysis.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 7: Yeah, they all thirty two teams now have contracts with PFF.
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: Is that right?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 4: The entire league bill is no longer what do you
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 4: mean contracts with them?
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 7: They they subscribe. No, no, no, they like work with
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 7: them on the things that they're talking about. Because a
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 7: lot of these tedious jobs like if you can outsource
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 7: it and free up people to do things maybe are
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 7: more important than mapping out you know, alignments and stuff
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 7: like that. That saves people time and they go do
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 7: other things with that time. So PFF for a lot
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 7: of these places used a lot of this stuff. I
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 7: couldn't agree more about the grades. The grades to me
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 7: are like past fail. If you look at them to
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 7: like rank, you know, who's the best quarterback versus the
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 7: second versus the third, You're probably not gonna get that.
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 7: But if a guy has you know, a good grade
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 7: and is grading out well in their system, or a
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 7: guy has got an F grade in the system that
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 7: usually is pretty stable of this guy's had a good season,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 7: that guy's had a not so good scealed Yeah, But I.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 4: Think where people roll the rise is when they say
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 4: so and so is the highest gradedlignment, and you know
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 4: by watching he's not he should be.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 7: You know, they have a tough time. I would say
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 7: with alignment in particular, my.
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 6: Problem isn't necessarily the evaluation per se. It's it's all percentages.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 6: And that's why I think, and it's not their fault
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 6: that their numbers get interpreted. And I think incorrect ways,
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 6: Like this guy is the best cover corner in the league.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 6: He's played, you know, twenty percent of the snaps, so
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: that means like he was successful on like, you know,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 6: eighteen of his twenty plays, so he's ranked higher than
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 6: Steph Gilmore the year he won Defensive MVP. Like that's
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 6: the kind of stuff that I think gets in the mainstream. Yeah,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 6: and again that's not PFF's fault. Yeah, that people don't
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 6: understand how the numbers are arrived at.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I think that's why we're kind of on the
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 7: same page. Like when the Patriots are when we turn
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 7: the page to another game another week, I'll pull up
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 7: their depth chart page that has like they're starting eleven
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 7: on both sides of the ball, and it will have
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 7: the colors of like, this guy's a good starter, that
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 7: guy's a bad starter, or whatever, and just to get
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 7: a feel of who's playing well, who's not playing well.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 7: You know what the lineups are, Like, they're very good
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 7: at that. You know, these are the five guys on
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 7: the offensive line that are playing right now. You know,
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 7: this guy's hurt, so he's not in the lineup card.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 7: You know that sort of thing.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 4: Jack writes in in response to Paul ranked against the
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 4: defenses against which Michigan has played, I have only this
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 4: to say, Michigan twenty seven, Alabama twenty in, Michigan thirty four,
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Washington thirteen.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 7: Washington defense wasn't all that great, so that one Washington
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 7: defense was terrible. Yeah, Alabama's defense forgot to cover Blake
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 7: Kormon for it down. Yeah, and great throat. Though I think.
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 6: I think Alabama was lucky to be in the playoffs.
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 8: They should not have been in the playoffs.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: I thought it should be and Emory says, I appreciate
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: the discussion of Big Ten versus ACC, but the league
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 4: disagrees with you. Over the last two drafts, there have
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 4: been ten ACC defenders taken in the first three rounds
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: of the draft. For first three, second, three to third,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: the Big Ten has had twenty four. To your point,
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 4: the offenses do contribute to defensive rankings, but there is
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 4: also simply way more defensive talent in the Big Ten
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 4: than the ACC.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 6: Over how many years that I don't know. I don't
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 6: don't understand why we're limiting to just one side of
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 6: the ball. Yeah, as an example of one conference, but
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 6: I think those two conferences very comparable. I think Ohio
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 6: State and Michigan are better than Florida State and Clemson
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 6: right now.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 8: Agreed.
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 6: The rest of it, I think is the same.
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 7: I also think that it's you know, you'd start to
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 7: look at how many defensive players, offensive players are drafted, well,
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 7: when twenty of them are coming out of Michigan and
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 7: Ohio State exactly, then it's you know, it's a little
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 7: bit different. I'm not saying that. Is it like the
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 7: ACC has all those towns and.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 6: I'm not even telling you that the Big Ten isn't better.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 6: I'm just saying they're comparable. We're talking about the Big Ten.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 7: It's like like it's the Big Ten and the SEC.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 7: It's not.
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 6: It's the SEC and everybody else.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 4: And really you should talk about the teams. It's Ohio State, Michigan, Alabama, Georgia.
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 4: You know, it's like ten tens.
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 6: But I would even say in the in the SEC,
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 6: give me Texas, A and m give me uh Florida.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 6: You know, Florida, you know more often than not Tennessee
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 6: the last few years. Yeah, like the mediocre Missouri was
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 6: really good last Oh yeah, they were the mediocre teams
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 6: in the SEC are far better than n State.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 7: Always got some some prospects.
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 6: Robinson Ole Miss Ole, miss has had some high end talent.
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 4: L from Wish, Wisconsin. Listening to Fred talk about the
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 4: quarterbacks this year, it's clear that he has some unresolved
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 4: trauma stemming from the mac Jones pick. Probably shut up, Fred,
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 4: All these guys are better than mac Jones. Just look
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 4: at the bright side.
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 6: Uh, these all four of these guys are absolutely better
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 6: than more physically talented. Yes, and I would throw panics
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 6: and make it five yep. Okay, they're all They're all
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 6: more talent, more athletic, better arms.
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, let's say in something. All Right, that's gonna
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 4: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be
• 1:57:54
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