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Talks to Jon & Eddie Arnold about their choice of The Ice Warriors (4/6) · A Hamster With a Blunt Penknife - a Doctor Who Commentary podcast

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  Hamster with a blunt pen knife for doing quicker, quicker.
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  Welcome back to a hamster with a blunt pen knife.
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  Yes, that's me. I'm my ukulele.
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  The Doctor Who Commentary podcast.
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  Hello, my name is Joe Ford and I have assembled the Dream team.
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  Once again, the acidic barbs of. Father and son John, and in a
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  while. Maybe I should do it the other
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  way around actually. Because I know which direction
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  the aesthetic barbs are coming from.
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  Eddie and John Arnold. Hello, gentlemen.
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  Good evening. We did say see you next Tuesday
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  last time. It's a few Tuesdays are.
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  It's a few Tuesdays. Yeah, well, you know,
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  Australians, these southern Australians coming over here and
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  demanding social time. It's outrageous.
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  I understand that. Did you gentlemen meet him at
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  the BFI? Yeah.
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  I certainly did. Yeah, well, I think we did,
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  because to be fair, I don't recognize faces of my father's
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  Middle East friends. Excuse me?
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  You don't recognize my face then?
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  You're not as Middle East as he is.
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  Oh, thank you. Oh, John, how Middle East are
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  you? John can't possibly say it
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  slightly more middle-aged than you are.
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  Slightly less middle-aged, you're. 51.
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  Definitely less middle-aged than Eddie.
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  God, yeah. OK, but I have a question for
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  you both. How excited are you after the
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  previous two episodes of let's be honest, adolescent animation?
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  How excited are you to have live pictures moving again?
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  Let's start with you, Eddie. I am gobsmacked to have a 60s
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  Doctor Who episode. This is actually moving image.
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  That's right. And it's not animated.
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  John. Well, we've got the return of
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  Deborah Watling to look for too, so all is well with the world.
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  Yes, now that was a bit of a bone of.
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  Contention in the first half, wasn't it?
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  Because obviously Eddie and I are on the same page with the
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  ICE 4 as we both think it's rather good.
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  John doesn't think it's rather good, however.
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  John And I think that Victoria is just.
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  A wench and. You're both wrong.
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  Eddie rather live so well. Eddie, what do you like about
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  her so much? What's not to like about her do?
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  You want a list. Yeah.
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  OK. OK, you watch her in episode. 4
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  Where she's going. Help somebody.
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  OK. So if you're in that situation.
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  Even with the Daleks 2. Even with the Daleks 3.
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  Even with the Daleks 4. Yes, and those are all good.
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  So once a few from the and then few from Deep 6 I'll give a pass
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  because she's off. If I was in that situation, I
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  would have grabbed the nearest bin bag and ice skated down that
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  mountain away from that ice warrior so far.
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  So I would have been like, what's the name of a famous
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  skier? John.
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  Oh, friends clamor. You see me going down there, woo
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  snow flying, the Ice Warriors would never hope, and then I'd
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  go so long suckers, and bring the mountain down.
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  On their heads. Frankly, I thought you were
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  going to say would have gone up and shagged one of them.
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  What an ice work. Yeah, you.
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  Know that first one was quite airy.
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  No, I don't think. It's quite quite big and Butch
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  aren't. They yeah, I don't think there's
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  a future in human Ice Warrior relationships outside of a Craig
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  Hinton novel. Or Gary Russell comic strips.
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  Oh really? Oh, was you talking about?
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  Oh yeah. It's just it's Stacey, so party
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  lucky it's not state that's it. It's in party.
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  Lucky it's 1999. Well, look fellas, I mean, I'm.
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  Riveted that we get to go and watch moving pictures.
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  I do think episode 4 actually might be one of my favorites of
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  the serial. It's got all that lovely stuff
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  in the caves, isn't it? It's.
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  It's so much better than two and three, just that those character
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  escape. The lovely stuff in the lovely
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  caves because for some reason you 2 don't know what good caves
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  are Cough cough. Your Empress of Mars opinions
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  cough cough. Your whole hungriest and cold
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  blood opinions cough cough. I do like these caves though, I
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  just don't like the ones from the Hungry Earth.
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  They don't like cheap old jabalo.
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  What about the Empress of Mars Cave?
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  Oh yeah, they were pretty bad as well if I'm honest.
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  When the 60s does it better? You know you're doing something
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  wrong. Well to be fair, the 60 did do
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  Doctor Who better because they did it with the second Doctor
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  and no doctor has topped him since.
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  Well, and also yes. I'm not going to.
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  Go for that one, John. I will leave that one there.
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  Also. The new series, of course, did
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  the Great Intelligence and absolutely forgot to mention the
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  the Yetis. Shocking.
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  Eddie is just shaking. Eddie just.
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  Are you over the shock here? No.
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  No, I'm still counting the days. It's it was Muffet must ghost if
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  I tell you from that point. You know, I tell you, you're
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  counting the days that those yetis are going to appear.
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  It's the same way Caroline Falls counting the days for her
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  appearance at the end of The Reality Wars.
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  Turn up on the cinema screen. What?
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  Something that's never coming. That's right.
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  Unfortunately, I think it might be the case with both if.
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  It is then I will personally store into the BBC takeover
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  Doctor Who, make every story have Yeti in them and I will not
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  let them escape. But there is a lot of action in
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  Episode 4. We do a lot of dashing around
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  those snowy. Not for that.
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  The mountain starts coming down, there's wolves attacking and
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  things. It's all very exciting.
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  You're. Promising us a good time, you
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  Joe. I have.
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  To say, I'll tell you what, count us in and let's go and see
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  what we got out of school. My father counting us into the
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  ice for his You acting as if he wants to watch it.
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  I don't think he's got much choice.
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  You wait till I'll wait to see what I'm rejecting you to next,
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  right? Everybody ready in 54321?
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  Don't. Lanel.
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  Don't Lanel. Don't Lanel.
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  John, you're going. To.
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  Do. It often you hadn't pressed
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  play. Did you forget to play?
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  Did you forget to play? No, I had to just press mute on
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  the thing. We're not that bad, you know?
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  Well, Hermit. Tomorrow.
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  One of you forgot. Forgot what?
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  One of you forgot to play or did got delayed so you can't really
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  be commenting. Yeah, you don't miss a trick.
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  You do you. No, I remember.
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  Oh, is that music? What the music we can't hear?
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  Yeah, I love it though. Yeah, Jones versions are better.
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  Don't worry. Don't you like the, the sort of
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  the glacier that we get there, that lovely photograph.
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  Yeah, the Stalag tights or? It's about.
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  It's going to be. The UK in about 8 weeks time.
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  Oh, is that right? Well, probably.
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  Look what we did to the Earth. We've turned it into a load of
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  snow. That's one thing I wish we got
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  more of did. You see that it opened up on
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  Victoria sniveling on the screen.
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  That's just her entire time on. The Oh yes, you remember there's
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  a great gun pointing her in the face shooter.
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  Not yet. Oh, not yet.
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  Not yet that. Would have been a great way for
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  her to go though, don't you think?
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  Being shot in the face. No, a great way for her to go
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  would be to live her life safe and sound and for all her haters
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  to suffer a painful and torturous death like this do.
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  You know they are quite hairy, aren't they?
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  Around the neck? Those eyes for.
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  You and I know that's what you like.
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  Well, I mean, look at them. It's a bit disturbing, isn't it?
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  Oh, no, look, they're trying to talk to Victoria now.
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  Now. Young lady, please tell us what
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  engines do they have? And now, John, will you do
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  Victoria's response? Again, This is why all Victoria
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  hated her, to have a painful and torturous dare.
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  I think. So oh, this is just gold.
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  I mean it is like it. Is the equivalent of like abuse,
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  right? Putting her through all this.
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  Why do you think she leaves in Fury from the Deep?
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  I would have gone before there they've.
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  Sensibly. Very sensible.
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  She's so. Anxious.
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  Well to to be fair, do you think she'd have rather left on tell
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  offs or in a monastery that had just been destroyed?
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  Well, it's not. That far off to 1930 and no
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  1930? It's only, what, 67 years at a
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  time? I've got a big people suggest,
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  you know John, that maybe they should have just taken her
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  somewhere safe after even love the Daleks.
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  That might have been the best option for her.
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  Well, Telf was probably safe outside of that tomb, yeah.
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  Well, Perry's come in there in the future.
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  Oh gosh, yeah. That makes it even more
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  dangerous a natural life. You see the whopping great close
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  up on the ice for you there, hissing away at this camera.
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  That's really great. Derek Martinez does a great job
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  with what he's got. Was that a compliment, John?
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  But yeah, Derek Martins. Yeah, not for Brian Hales.
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  Oh, here we go. You know how the music goes.
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  Hey, it goes boop. Boop, boop.
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  Boop, boop, boop, boop. Most Lego figure here it.
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  Comes here it comes. Is there a Lego figure over the
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  OS Warrior? You said you were going to find
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  out. Oh, there is a Lego one.
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  Yeah, there was a Lego one back in.
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  It would be a massive missed opportunity considering they
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  have Lego hands. Would you look at how well lit
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  this cave is? Look at that.
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  I would swear that was outside it's.
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  A really nice. Set.
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  Is it shot on film? It's really soft with picture
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  policy. So this is what this is Ealing.
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  Must be, yeah. Oh yeah, they froze.
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  Yeah, they froze over the entire studio.
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  It's very funny, Eddie. It's the really smiley Ice
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  Warrior that comes after her. He's so happy to be hunting her
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  down. He's just so happy to see one of
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  the best companions. Oh, is that what it?
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  Is be my friend. Be my friend.
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  Yeah, he's just so happy to see her because she's such, he's
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  such a nice person. And I'm going to teach you now
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  about telephones. All right?
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  You see what the doctor's doing there, sort of dialing away on
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  the thing. Now, my grandmother used to have
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  a telephone where it was a big chunky one with one of those
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  dials on it. Honestly, if you if you was in
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  an emergency, you have to dial 999.
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  You have to take it all the way around like he was doing there.
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  I mean, a lot of people died, Yeah.
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  Yeah, frankly, your whole house could have been down in that
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  time. Honest to God, if you've got to
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  do yes. If you've got to do a six.
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  Digit number I. Mean you feel like you're there
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  half your life, God. Yeah.
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  Now, what's the doctor taking across there?
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  Ammonium sulfide? What's?
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  That no. It's a chemical, I presume.
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  Is it a stink? Bomb chiefly.
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  Nudge him with a hydrogen. That's what it is.
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  What are you, John? What a stink bomb.
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  So you're implying you're implying he's going he's going
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  to hit the Ice Warriors for the Heaven Sent bomb?
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  Or the bombs from the time warrior.
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  Do you remember the ones he loves his over there?
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  Oh yeah. Over.
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  The walls. Frankly, no, I don't.
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  Shocking. So is he going?
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  He's going to the Ice Warrior ship and he's going to use
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  weapons to kill them. Is that right?
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  He never uses guns. He never used anything else is
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  fair game though. He never uses guns unless it's
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  plot convenient. It's a second Doctor.
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  He doesn't mind off in. Whichever little monster he
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  comes up against. You know he's going to send them
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  into the Suns next time he sees them.
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  It's quite plot convenient. Quite a lot.
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  Then Eddie because he does use weapons quite a lot.
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  Now I don't use guns, but my companions can.
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  Draw your attention, please, to Miss Garrett's attire now.
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  I don't think that's particularly appropriate for a
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  professional environment. Do.
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  You no. John.
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  It's. More.
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  It's more appropriate for a sexy fashion show.
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  Eddie, honestly, you better tell your mother when you're done,
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  all right? He's been admiring Miss Garrett
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  on this call. Me.
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  Yes. Don't you tell me you're above
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  dubbing him in. Oh no.
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  I thought you said I was admiring her.
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  First thing he does. No, your father I'd share what
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  she she came along to one of those phantom photo shoots.
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  You know of that weird church, all that they do.
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  You ever been to any of those? No, I've never been the phantom
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  ones. I've done the Riverside.
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  Stuff. They're very strange.
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  I mean, they're in this weird church all in the middle of
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  Chiswick somewhere when they've only got like baby chairs
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  because it's like a. Like a nursery school is it?
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  Yeah, and so you'll have to stand around with the
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  celebrities anyway. Miss Garrett was there, the
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  actress, and it was sort of just out of COVID time.
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  So she. Wouldn't sit near anyone so she
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  was having photographs. Done where she was, sort of
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  really. Close to the camera.
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  And then they was putting the person next to her in averted
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  commas right at the back of the room.
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  It's the weirdest photographs you've ever seen.
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  Did you go there? I mean, Mama paid for it.
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  He pays for all these bloody Pete nobodies to have pictures
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  with him. Oh, run, Victoria, run.
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  Oh my God. Oh.
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  That does look a bit of. Plastic.
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  That's a bit the way it moves, isn't it?
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  But that bit was quite good. Watch when this ice water comes
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  through. Now it takes the whole bloody
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  wall out with him. Great.
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  Yeah. Of course, Victoria lets out an
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  ear. Piercer as he comes through.
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  Victoria goes back. Why the freaking hell does she
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  go back? Oh, she's so stupid, isn't she?
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  Run away, Vic. Bullying innocent young
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  companions. Yeah, well, it's no good.
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  To bully the ones that can fight back, you may as well do it to
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  the ones that can't. Exactly.
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  What? So what?
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  And you're saying bullying Amy Pond's good?
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  Well, she no, she'd fight back. She's.
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  Taller than. To be fair Eddie, she'd floor me
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  in 2 seconds. Flat, I think.
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  Have you met many Scots? They're absolutely terrified,
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  you know? We've, well we've, we did stay
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  up in Scotland early this year. Whereabouts.
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  Whereabouts. I don't know, off Glasgow, OK.
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  Because we went up there and we saw a few police boxes with all
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  cops are bastards on them. Was that what it said on it?
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  Yeah, a cab. All cops.
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  Straight down there. Did you see that police box
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  that's been turned into sort of a coffee bar?
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  I think that was in Edinburgh. No, no, because Edinburgh was
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  three years ago when I think so. No, Edinburgh was.
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  Edinburgh was 2021. Now there.
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  You go four years. Unthinkable as it may be fellas,
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  we barely spoke about Jamie in the first 3 episodes.
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  Now, can I ask you both please, your opinion of Jamie?
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  I didn't realize he wasn't a Scottish until last year.
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  What you were convinced by the? Accident.
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  No, he didn't. Yeah.
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  It's pretty. Actually even one of my friends
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  who would you just finished watching the 2nd Doctor era.
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  I literally just had to tell them that he wasn't actually
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  Scottish and they were like what the fuck?
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  Do you like him as a companion though?
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  Yeah, he's the only reason Victoria isn't the best Second
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  Doctor companion. Oh, what about?
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  Zoe we that's you know, are you saying that so he's.
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  You know you've met Wendy Pampriere and.
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  I've also met Fraser Hunt. Yeah.
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  Have you met them? Together they're so.
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  Bitchy when they're together. Oh yeah, I had a picture of them
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  together. Oh, you did.
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  Oh, lovely. I can only imagine.
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  You know that when Doctor Who's celebrities meet you, Eddie,
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  they just adore you. Well, yeah, because again, when
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  I was a baby, I was a sexy magnet 10.
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  Years. Ago it's like, it's like every,
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  every time we're an event in Katie Manning, Serial always
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  goes here and she'll she's always delighted to see me.
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  What do you imagine? But she's mad, and now we know
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  she's mad. Well, she, I mean she is mad.
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  Do you imagine the design of the Ice Warriors is all about?
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  Is it supposed to be like a turtle?
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  Yeah, it's yes. Well, turtles aren't from miles,
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  are they? Or from ice.
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  But like the shell, You know, the big shell, Yeah.
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  Or is it a crocodile? I don't know.
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  It looks more crocodiles and turtley.
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  Well, we know that it's armour now, obviously, so they can get
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  out of it. So they're just.
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  Before, you know, we were exposed to the dismal CGI of
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  Cold War. Did you imagine?
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  Cold War's a bad episode. I mean, I you can infer that
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  from what I just said, yes, fuck off then.
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  It's terrible. It's so boring.
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  So anyway, sorry, did you think that was just what they looked
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  like then with the helmets on like that?
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  That was part of their face. Well.
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  I wouldn't have imagined it because I I wouldn't have
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  imagined that at birth their mothers just lay out a giant
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  fucking shell. What happens with a turtle after
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  they get their shell? They lay back.
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  But surely a turtle was born with a shell, isn't it?
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  No, I think turtles. No, I might be thinking of
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  snails that go find. Oh, snails definitely aren't.
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  Yeah, the snail's like a slug, isn't it?
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  The finds a shit. Yeah, and I this, it's giving me
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  flashbacks. At the time, I was going to open
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  a open one of the cabinets in the kitchen to get to get my
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  breakfast. And then there was a slug on it.
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  And I didn't realize. So I touched a slug and Needless
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  to say I nearly burnt my hand off because I would not feel
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  clean having my hands clean about 30 times.
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  Oh, slug is being useful. Very useful as ever.
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  Useful as a slug less. Help.
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  Somebody help me. Let's say there is.
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  There is one moment in this episode, though, where when I
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  watched it back, I was, I felt genuinely anxious for her.
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  When she's dragged into the ship towards the end of this episode
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  and she screams out, you're not going to kill me, are you?
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  And I thought, wow, she really thinks she's going to die.
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  In that scene, like, please, Victoria, tell them you've had
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  enough. What, you think she can just go
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  up to the ice forest and say I've had enough and they'll go
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  all right, let you. Go I mean the doctor at the end
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  of the story like. Please just tell him like enough
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  now. You think Victoria would like to
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  go and stay in that sort of area where?
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  Why not? Why not?
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  Why not? We could leave.
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  Move in with leader Clint and Penley.
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  You know that could be her two dads.
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  Oh, that. 'D be beautiful, wouldn't it?
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  Frankly, I think I prefer her fear from the depending.
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  Yeah. Now what is occurring here with
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  these two hairy men, Penley and Storr?
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  I think we we made a. Few of you be paying attention
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  to that. Well, we know what's going on
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  there. And, and Jamie.
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  And let's face it, Jamie isn't the straightest guy ever.
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  Look, come on. But you think is happening here.
• 20:49
  Well, Fraser Hines has. Been on the fish?
• 20:51
  Father Fraser Hines has been on Twitter and denied the Doctor
• 20:54
  and Jamie shit. He's denied that they have a
• 20:58
  shit. No, he's denied their ship like
• 21:02
  you know how. Oh shit, sorry, Ship.
• 21:05
  Yes, like, well, yeah, of course he's going to say that.
• 21:09
  He's the most heterosexual man on the planet.
• 21:11
  Yeah, but but really they're. Why did you find out the hard
• 21:14
  way? No.
• 21:16
  I just I love it when they hold hands and two.
• 21:18
  Of the side men though, it's very funny.
• 21:20
  Oh, it's gorgeous. Yeah.
• 21:21
  Well, no one knew that when it came back.
• 21:23
  And it's like, that's genius. Did you see that special effect
• 21:26
  then? That was a bit unfortunate.
• 21:27
  Someone sort of pulled. Together, the two areas of the
• 21:30
  ceiling and all the snow fell through the middle.
• 21:32
  Yeah, I did and. Oh this is great, where the
• 21:35
  doctor meets Penley. Me, yes.
• 21:38
  In the in the caves, it sounds attractive.
• 21:41
  He's 2 good actors. He's 2 great actors here of
• 21:45
  Peter Salas and Patrick Trouten. I mean, come on, that's.
• 21:48
  Can you imagine Patrick Trouten in Wallace and Gromit?
• 21:51
  Yeah. Oh, definitely.
• 21:53
  Your God, yes. Shane was a bit too dead to be
• 21:55
  in it. Yeah, I hear that does cramp
• 21:58
  your performance style. Yes, but he's not dead when he
• 22:02
  made this, though. He's very good in a minute.
• 22:05
  It goes to Victoria. You know, after she stops.
• 22:08
  Sniveling. Come on, Victoria.
• 22:10
  Blow, blow, you know. No, no, I don't mean it like
• 22:13
  that, John. He's going to distract them, you
• 22:15
  know? Snivel a bit.
• 22:17
  That means I like the fact that they lean into it a bit.
• 22:20
  Snivel on it. I can't say.
• 22:24
  Anything without you people taking it as rude.
• 22:28
  Oh, yeah. But then again, that's because
• 22:29
  we know you. That's.
• 22:30
  Right. Disturbingly so, the pair.
• 22:33
  Of you, yeah. And what?
• 22:36
  So hang on, did the whole ceiling fall on the ass for his
• 22:39
  head? Yeah.
• 22:41
  He's dead now then. Looks like it.
• 22:44
  So Victoria is a murderous then? Yeah, she's learned it from the
• 22:48
  doctor. You know she knows how to carry
• 22:50
  on. Oh I love this.
• 22:53
  You think she's You think she's an innocent girl who will scream
• 22:56
  for her life? Think again.
• 22:58
  She will scream you to death. Literally do.
• 23:01
  You remember. When she does in the last
• 23:03
  episode. Yeah, 2 bit of sidemen.
• 23:05
  She shoots that sideman straight away first time.
• 23:10
  Don't. Don't mess around.
• 23:11
  With this is all she. Won't she won't hesitate.
• 23:15
  This is all the front. It's a bit like Nissan, you
• 23:17
  know, they think they're really innocent and then you turn your
• 23:20
  back on this son. She's got a bloody gun in around
• 23:22
  taking out loads of guards on Gallifrey and things.
• 23:24
  Oh God. You watch her with an eye on
• 23:26
  Bonder. Oh damn.
• 23:28
  God, with that eye on Bonder, she takes out all those.
• 23:32
  What they call fosters in the Grove.
• 23:35
  Yeah, that's it. The Fosters on trial.
• 23:37
  They are imposing though, the Ice Warriors, aren't they?
• 23:39
  Like they're they're really tall and the silhouette is quiet.
• 23:43
  Because you had both of bristles what 6 foot 66 foot 7 and the
• 23:47
  all the regulars and all these actors are tight are actually a
• 23:51
  shorter statue, shall we say. So they're all 5 foot mid 5 foot
• 23:55
  type thing. So they are deliberately
• 23:57
  important. It's it's one of those really
• 23:59
  nice cheap tricks, but it's nice.
• 24:01
  It works really kind of thought through production.
• 24:04
  I think, and please save the date, everybody.
• 24:07
  When I said this, I think Stephen Moffy is right that
• 24:11
  there was no place for the ice. Warriors in the new.
• 24:14
  Series like they are cumbersome, they are clunky, they.
• 24:18
  Yeah, but they look awesome. They do look great, but you
• 24:21
  can't, I mean none of those action sequence are especially
• 24:24
  dynamic they're. In load things down.
• 24:27
  Hardly. Did you not see like every way
• 24:30
  the shot and Cold War of the Ice Warrior faced him?
• 24:32
  The lighting there, it's fucking gorgeous.
• 24:34
  But he's not moving very fast because he can't.
• 24:39
  Can't see where he's going for God's sake.
• 24:41
  But here, here, they're treated like characters, aren't they?
• 24:44
  They've got personalities, they've got names.
• 24:48
  They do an Empress of Mars as well Friday.
• 24:51
  Oh, I. Do like the woman an Empress.
• 24:52
  Of Mars. Actually, she's pretty.
• 24:54
  Of course she did. Yes, she's.
• 24:57
  Got like diamond teeth, hasn't she?
• 24:59
  Yeah, you forget. You forget that Friday has
• 25:01
  personality. Yeah, What was that?
• 25:04
  Is that the? Is that Nicholas Briggs?
• 25:07
  What? What?
• 25:08
  Here. This is Nicholas Briggs.
• 25:10
  Yeah, it is. No, the one in the one in
• 25:12
  Empress of Miles. Well, I mean, I wouldn't be
• 25:14
  surprised. I think it.
• 25:15
  Probably is. But yes, this is also Nicholas
• 25:17
  Briggs here in 1967, performing as an infant child.
• 25:21
  This is so great. Look, he thinks he's going to,
• 25:24
  he's going to like, convince the Ice Warriors to take on the base
• 25:27
  and they just murder him in cold blood.
• 25:30
  They murder him in what? In cold blood, well, in hot.
• 25:34
  Blood, actually. So yeah.
• 25:36
  Yeah, they murder him in an amazing series 5 episode.
• 25:40
  No. 7 and terrible. Joe's not wrong there.
• 25:46
  Come on. Do these films not learn their
• 25:50
  lessons from Tomb of the Cybermen?
• 25:52
  I want to help a villain get did.
• 25:55
  They just high five. They just high five, yeah.
• 25:58
  Of course they did, yeah. Yeah, we got one.
• 26:01
  We killed that peasant. Yes, they've got great.
• 26:04
  Personalities and did. You hear when?
• 26:07
  Stall was saying to Victoria like, you know.
• 26:10
  Oh, where are? They the the Ice Warriors, where
• 26:12
  are they? And she goes.
• 26:13
  Why? Why do you?
• 26:14
  Want to see them? Well, they're going to attack
• 26:15
  the base. And she goes, is that what you
• 26:17
  want? Well, I think that's.
• 26:18
  Wicked, she goes. It's a good thing it's not ACE
• 26:23
  there because if you if it was interpreted in ACE context, I.
• 26:28
  Fear, you know, Eddie, if Ace was here, then the entire.
• 26:31
  Mountain would have been destroyed by now.
• 26:33
  Yeah, I think the I charge with them one episode long.
• 26:37
  Ace would have sorted it inside 10 minutes flat.
• 26:40
  Blow back up, off we go. Boom.
• 26:42
  Tell me if I'm mad, John, but is that the same staircase as in
• 26:45
  the Doctor's lab in the 3rd Doctor's era?
• 26:48
  I think it might. Be it does look exactly that
• 26:51
  staircase, it's got to be the second.
• 26:54
  Well they used to have someone on the top of the pop set as
• 26:56
  well, so it could be a standard thing they had around.
• 26:59
  Well, so you're telling me the top of the pops next from the
• 27:02
  doctor's lab? They were like, yo doctor, can
• 27:05
  we just borrow this for this? Charge the other way round.
• 27:08
  It's the BBC prop storage. Oh, look how the Doctor looks
• 27:14
  after Jamie. Yeah, see, I don't think it's a.
• 27:17
  Bromance. Loving now you behave yourself.
• 27:19
  Romantic. No, it's just lovely.
• 27:22
  It's paternal bromance. It's a bromance.
• 27:25
  Gorgeous. Yeah, yeah, because I'm sure
• 27:27
  that Jamie would want to date someone who's like 4 centuries
• 27:30
  older than him. Well, Rose Tyler did.
• 27:34
  And do you see what she got for that and then?
• 27:36
  She got on this. She got and do you see what they
• 27:38
  got for that? Clara Jasmine can't it?
• 27:43
  And do you see what? And do you see what happened to
• 27:45
  Yaz? She got dumped.
• 27:47
  And you? See what happened to Amy?
• 27:49
  She jumped off a building and committed suicide.
• 27:53
  And do you see what happened? Do you see what happened to
• 27:55
  Rose? She fell into a very large white
• 27:58
  pool that I will not refer to. Amy literally said I just, I'm
• 28:02
  sorry I can't act with Matt Smith anymore and threw herself
• 28:05
  straight off that roof. And that well too.
• 28:08
  Have you not seen an interview? She said she would only come
• 28:10
  back if it was Matt Smith, not the Darfol.
• 28:13
  Well, that ain't going to happen, is it?
• 28:16
  She's paid way too much to come back to doctor.
• 28:18
  Yeah. She's doing Marvel Movies Now,
• 28:20
  for God's sakes. Yeah, and I'm sure that's why
• 28:23
  you would love to watch them. Oh, look at this.
• 28:27
  It's the doctors on the screen. Here we go, Clint, old chap.
• 28:30
  I'm going in. It's great if if it is a little
• 28:35
  bit too. Serious Trouten's always there
• 28:37
  to provide a laugh or two. Yeah, and then if it's and then
• 28:40
  if it's eventually silly, Trout's always here to provide a
• 28:43
  dark moment or two. Doesn't he say in a minute?
• 28:46
  Nope. I'm only going to talk to you
• 28:47
  face to face. And they go, we're fine, we're
• 28:49
  going to let the air out and. We're going to die.
• 28:53
  Imagine just walking under there and then and then someone from
• 28:56
  the BBC just go and shakes a ton of like white dust over you, I
• 29:00
  mean. That is quite a big set again,
• 29:04
  isn't it? I don't know if it convinces as
• 29:06
  the exterior of a spaceship, but that's a big gum isn't?
• 29:12
  It he's looking at dead in the face.
• 29:14
  Hang on, what does that do? It looks like a needle.
• 29:20
  I am I. Was it blast?
• 29:26
  No, no, it just sticks out to look frightening.
• 29:30
  John, are you looking? To take my crown.
• 29:32
  In this podcast. What are you?
• 29:36
  Are you playing that he? Are you playing that he should
• 29:39
  be the one to take over. No, just that his mind's turned
• 29:43
  to filth, Eddie. It's always been filthy.
• 29:47
  Look at look at these extreme close-ups.
• 29:49
  Of the ice Warrior mouth I just love all of this it's.
• 29:54
  A great yeah, that plus one Trenton as well.
• 29:58
  And he and he keeps it interesting.
• 30:00
  And he's sort of. Stubborn until he realizes in
• 30:02
  danger, and then he does his sort of Oh my word, so face.
• 30:07
  Fucker. Yeah, Eddie, notice how much
• 30:10
  enjoyment we're getting from this episode.
• 30:15
  Notice how much enjoyment my father's giving.
• 30:17
  It actually he is, isn't he? I have noticed that.
• 30:20
  It's it's such a relief after those last two episodes.
• 30:24
  After after a few weeks then. Something's happening.
• 30:29
  Oh my God. So hang on all.
• 30:31
  The questions are happening. Goes out of that room.
• 30:33
  Is he going to explode like a big melon?
• 30:35
  He probably. Would, yeah.
• 30:37
  I honestly. As soon as you breathe in, it'd.
• 30:40
  Be like, you know what I have to say?
• 30:42
  I have to say the part four comment.
• 30:45
  Oh yes, please. Fraser Gregory himself.
• 30:48
  Fraser Gregory, champion done, who didn't put this on his big
• 30:52
  list of 60. Oh, and he's the one that bangs
• 30:55
  on about it all. The time as well have you?
• 30:57
  Have you been had a look through that?
• 30:58
  I'm disappointed. I've been having look through
• 31:01
  it's not there. No.
• 31:02
  Have you seen that anyway? The comment is it's got a bear
• 31:06
  in it. An actual fucking bear.
• 31:09
  None of your stick footage here. Let's bring an actual bear onto
• 31:12
  set, let it wander around and film it for a bit.
• 31:15
  Because this season is dull. Yeah, just does the same thing
• 31:18
  over and over. Yeah, my ass.
• 31:21
  This just highlights what a bold, ambitious and visually
• 31:23
  stunning story this is. I mean, I think he's right about
• 31:28
  the bear. Like they didn't.
• 31:29
  Oh yeah, definitely. It's stock footage though,
• 31:31
  right? I thought it was.
• 31:34
  Is there a bear in the studio? And he's rushed out a bear in
• 31:37
  the. Studio.
• 31:38
  I. Know safety standards?
• 31:40
  Relax. But.
• 31:42
  I'm fine enough. He's also right about Season 5
• 31:45
  being a good season. Well, who said Season 5 wasn't a
• 31:48
  good season? My father.
• 31:50
  Oh, all right. He thinks it's like he likes
• 31:54
  season 4 and season 6, and he thinks season 5 is one of the
• 31:56
  worst seasons ever. Meanwhile, it is my fifth
• 31:59
  favorite season of all time. Individually, I think the
• 32:02
  stories all have merit. I just think if you watch them
• 32:05
  back-to-back. You're basically like I did.
• 32:08
  The same story over and over again.
• 32:10
  Yeah, it's I'm not big on the base under siege type story, so.
• 32:14
  Oh yeah, but that's because you're shit so.
• 32:17
  What, John? You don't like Terror of the
• 32:19
  Vervoids? You don't like the impossible
• 32:21
  fan of? Christie.
• 32:22
  Yeah, Fuzzy, you don't like Trevor of the Vervoids?
• 32:25
  Or the second best up to who story ever made.
• 32:28
  Second best up to who story ever made.
• 32:30
  Yeah, the Impossible Planet. That's fine, that's done well.
• 32:33
  I hadn't seen one for about a new one for whatever it was 20,
• 32:39
  20 odd years so. I would make a case.
• 32:42
  I would make a case that the base under siege should be done
• 32:48
  every generation you know when. There's a new production team
• 32:51
  and when there are new. Production techniques in place
• 32:54
  and as things get better so we can see that that sort of format
• 32:57
  done in different ways. I would maybe suggest you
• 33:00
  shouldn't do 6 on the bounce. Yes, exactly that.
• 33:05
  And 2A. Season at most. 2A season, yeah,
• 33:08
  would be perfect. I mean, it's 2.
• 33:11
  Each other in rooms. Just big rooms, in big
• 33:16
  scientific sets, which are quite dull usually.
• 33:19
  Not in this one, I admit. Not in the Ice Warriors.
• 33:22
  But no way you can't. You complement it.
• 33:24
  You complemented it. That's amazing.
• 33:26
  We've done it quite a lot in this episode.
• 33:30
  Yeah, well. Should we see if he's gonna
• 33:32
  continue to compliment as we head on into Episode 5?
• 33:36
  And shall we see if I remain as quiet as I have been?
• 33:40
  I sincerely doubt it.