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Signal 99 - Chief Washington and Hinton Trial · Brian Thomas

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  Speaker 1: The talk station.
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  Speaker 2: 630-55KRC, the talk station. Happy Thursday. Welcome back. What a
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  Speaker 2: great thing to have Signal 99 on the 55KRC Morning Show. Online,
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  Speaker 2: I hope you know by now over at Facebook, find
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  Speaker 2: Signal 99 and follow what is a collective of people
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  Speaker 2: that have the receipts on all kinds of craziness going
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  Speaker 2: on in and around downtown Cincinnati. Craziness like the firing
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  Speaker 2: of Police Chief Fiji. Chief Washington also got fired and
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  Speaker 2: we have swirling circumstances like why did those people get
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  Speaker 2: let go What were the circumstances that justified their being removed?
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  Speaker 2: Nobody seems to be able to come up with a
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  Speaker 2: reason and answer, and that subjects the city of Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: taxpayers to legal liability. But also, Signal 99, it's going
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  Speaker 2: to subject city manager Cheryl Long to personal liability.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is so nice to have you back on.
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  Speaker 3: Good morning, Brian. And it's a glorious day in Leicester,
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  Speaker 3: Cheryl Long.
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  Speaker 2: Are you feeling that schadenfreude feeling that I was feeling
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  Speaker 2: when I saw the post that you were first to
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  Speaker 2: announce the NBank Court of Appeals? Now, previously, the Sixth
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  Speaker 2: Circuit Court of Appeals, with three judges on the panel,
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  Speaker 2: which is typical for the hearing, ruled in favor of
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  Speaker 2: Chief Washington. I guess they'd say he was wrongfully terminated,
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  Speaker 2: and insofar as Cheryl Long is concerned, normally would not
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  Speaker 2: be subjected to personal liability. Apparently, what she did was
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  Speaker 2: outside the scope of her employment parameters. So, yes, the
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  Speaker 2: decision to fire him, which was her decision, is going
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  Speaker 2: to require her to be financially responsible, not the city taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: That is amazing. So the appellate court determined that.
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  Speaker 1: So they appealed.
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  Speaker 2: And the NBank appellate court, that's when all the judges
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  Speaker 2: on the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals sit and review
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  Speaker 2: the prior decision.
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  Speaker 1: 19 of the judges.
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  Speaker 2: And you would think that it might be a lopsided decision.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like the Supreme Court, you know, 5-4 decision.
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  Speaker 2: The conservatives outweighed the liberals. 19 to 0.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they said absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: That's a hell no. Hell no and a half.
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  Speaker 3: That's a hell no and a pineapple.
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  Speaker 1: And a pile of it.
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  Speaker 4: But you know, Brian, also, it's two different types of
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  Speaker 4: immunity that are involved.
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  Speaker 3: The first being qualified immunity. So the Sixth.
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  Speaker 4: Circuit upheld that denial of longs protection. But there's also
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  Speaker 4: the statutory immunity. So I know you're an attorney, so
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  Speaker 4: you know what I'm talking about.
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  Speaker 3: So if you want to explain that.
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  Speaker 2: The defenses that Cheryl Long would assert to personal responsibility
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  Speaker 2: for any monetary damage were thrown out, regardless of type.
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  Speaker 2: We don't need to understand the underlying basis.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, because she was malicious and she was deceptive and
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  Speaker 4: she ignored the advice of her legal counsel from the
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  Speaker 4: city because of all of these things, the constitutional violation,
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  Speaker 4: the false statements.
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  Speaker 3: The malice or bad faith. The federal courts have determined
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  Speaker 3: that Cheryl violated his constitutional right to due process, and
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  Speaker 3: she admitted under oath that the city's own attorneys told
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  Speaker 3: her he was entitled to a hearing. And she defamed
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  Speaker 3: him horribly.
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  Speaker 4: She made horrible statements about him, cost him his reputation,
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  Speaker 4: his professional reputation. So, I just, you know, there is
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  Speaker 4: a very huge spot in my heart for Chief Washington.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the worst part about it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, he was very qualified. He had, you know,
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  Speaker 2: served in the fire department for so long, became the chief.
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  Speaker 3: 30 years. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: 30 years with the CFD. He worked his way up
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  Speaker 4: from the very bottom of the ranks.
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  Speaker 2: What an impressive resume that he could have gone out
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  Speaker 2: into the world and gotten a position, you know, a
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  Speaker 2: comparable position in some other fire department. He was deprived
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  Speaker 2: of that ability because of what Cheryl Long did. His
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  Speaker 2: reputation was tarnished. And otherwise, I mean, people would have
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  Speaker 2: knocked down the door to get to Chief Washington if
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  Speaker 2: this hadn't happened. If he said, look, I'm looking for
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  Speaker 2: a new job, they would have loved to hire him.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just, it's really sad because he's not just
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  Speaker 4: a great chief and a great firefighter.
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  Speaker 3: He's a great human.
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  Speaker 4: And this whole bunch of shenanigans that the city has
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  Speaker 4: been putting on, they have been at the taxpayers' expense.
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  Speaker 4: And we just keep fighting it and fighting it.
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  Speaker 3: The city knows they can't win. They know they're going
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  Speaker 3: to lose.
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  Speaker 4: But it's all about stall it out, stall it out,
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  Speaker 4: stall it out. Hopefully Mike Washington gets desperate enough to
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  Speaker 4: let them hit him with a lowball offer. And I'm
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  Speaker 4: telling you right now, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: Going to happen.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 2: And I've actually talked with former Chief Washington. I get
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  Speaker 2: the impression, no, that's not going to happen. If I
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  Speaker 2: was him, I would be very firm in that position
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  Speaker 2: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Well, not only that, Steve M. is my attorney, too.
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  Speaker 1: That is true. He's a good man.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Steve M. is not.
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  Speaker 4: He's not about any of that. And the Finney Law Firm,
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  Speaker 4: they just don't play about this type of stuff.
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  Speaker 3: So... This is serious stuff. This isn't just, oh, gosh,
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  Speaker 3: lost his job. He'll find another job.
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  Speaker 4: No, they destroyed his career, his professional name, his professional career.
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  Speaker 4: You don't get to come back from that. And I
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  Speaker 4: don't care how many zeros they put on the end
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  Speaker 4: of that settlement offer.
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  Speaker 3: It's never going to be– it's never going to give
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  Speaker 3: him back what he wanted.
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  Speaker 4: It's never– going to bring his mother's health back that has.
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  Speaker 3: Declined because of all of the stress. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if you're aware of that.
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  Speaker 2: I am not aware that his mother's health has been,
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  Speaker 2: has been impacted by this. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: The stress has absolutely just devastated his family and especially
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  Speaker 4: his mom who wasn't in, in stellar health, but you know,
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  Speaker 4: given the stress of what her son's been going through,
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  Speaker 4: because I, you know, I don't, I don't know that
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  Speaker 4: Mike would want me to share this or not, but,
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  Speaker 4: you know, he's a very Michael is a very spiritual.
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  Speaker 4: He's a Christian. He's very positive. He holds everybody up.
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  Speaker 4: He tries to help everybody.
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  Speaker 3: He's just an all around great human.
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  Speaker 4: But he has struggled, especially this last probably eight, nine months.
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  Speaker 4: just a deep, dark place with all of this stuff
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  Speaker 4: going on. And it's because job offer after job offer
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  Speaker 4: after job offer has been declined to him because of
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  Speaker 4: the things that Cheryl Long said. So all of these
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  Speaker 4: different jobs all over the country that he interviewed.
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  Speaker 3: For and kept hoping he'd get, you know, he wants
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  Speaker 3: to go back to work. Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And when they fell through, you know, the stress just
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  Speaker 4: started to eat them alive.
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  Speaker 3: And it just. Well, we all need to pray for him.
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  Speaker 3: That's all I'm going to say.
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  Speaker 2: Vindication may be around the corner. And, you know, all
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  Speaker 2: the things you just mentioned and so much more. I
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  Speaker 2: just keep seeing extra zeros being added to the ultimate
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  Speaker 2: payout to former Chief Washington. Signal 99, don't go away.
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  Speaker 2: If you can, maybe a quick update on the status,
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  Speaker 2: the similar status of former police chief.
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  Speaker 1: The talk station.
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  Speaker 2: Six forty six forty forty one fifty five. The talk
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  Speaker 2: station signal ninety nine. Go to Facebook, find signal ninety
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  Speaker 2: nine and click on the follow link and you get
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  Speaker 2: all the goods from and for anybody else to like that.
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  Speaker 2: And bank ruling still hasn't been reported in local news
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  Speaker 2: to the best that I can tell. Signal ninety nine.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what happened.
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  Speaker 3: And.
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  Speaker 2: We are all enjoying a measure of shot and for
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  Speaker 2: now pivoting over any update on Fiji and the situation there,
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  Speaker 2: which is also going to result in taxpayers being responsible
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  Speaker 2: for a settlement payment or an otherwise jury verdict.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I could tell you this.
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  Speaker 4: Chief Washington has been in contact with Chief Fiji.
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  Speaker 3: They they actually keep in contact. They also share the
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  Speaker 3: same attorney.
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  Speaker 4: And Chief Washington is paving the way for Chief.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: There's going to be a lot of things that the
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  Speaker 4: city is not going to be able to get away
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  Speaker 4: with the second time around. Well, I mean, they're not
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  Speaker 4: getting away with it this time, but it'll be much
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  Speaker 4: more expedient, I would think, with Chief DG.
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  Speaker 2: And a stellar career in law enforcement and a family
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  Speaker 2: history in law enforcement. I mean, that's a law enforcement family,
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  Speaker 2: and everybody feels really sorry for them.
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  Speaker 4: That's another 30 years with not a single write-up in
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  Speaker 4: your file, just like Chief Washington.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and a complete absence of any explanation as to
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  Speaker 2: why they put her on administrative leave or let her
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  Speaker 2: go in the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Hey, why did you do that?
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  Speaker 2: Well, let me hire a law firm, and we'll look
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  Speaker 2: at it with hindsight, and we'll let you know down
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  Speaker 2: the road later.
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  Speaker 3: We all know why.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, we do, don't we?
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  Speaker 2: All right, pivoting over to your criticisms about the situation
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  Speaker 2: going on. Rodney Hinton Jr. is on trial for murder
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  Speaker 2: or reckless homicide. I need to have a word or
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  Speaker 2: two on that alternative jury instruction. But he, Rodney Hinton Jr.,
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  Speaker 2: ran over, killed Deputy Larry Henderson, who had nothing to
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  Speaker 2: do with Hinton Jr. 's son being killed by police
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  Speaker 2: officers because he brandished a weapon at police officers. So
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  Speaker 2: apparently after watching a video of that, the police provided
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  Speaker 2: to them to give him context. He broke down and
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  Speaker 2: then got into a car and ran over Deputy Larry Henderson. Now, initially,
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  Speaker 2: he claimed not guilty by reason of insanity. There's no
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  Speaker 2: doubt he did it. But then somewhere along the line,
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  Speaker 2: there was a pivot to suggest that, well, no, he
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  Speaker 2: wanted to commit suicide. So he accidentally ran over Deputy
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  Speaker 2: Larry Henderson.
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  Speaker 4: There's not, no, not even remotely. And the only reason
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  Speaker 4: he hit the pole was because he hit Larry Henderson first. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And he adjusted the trajectory of his car.
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  Speaker 3: I will tell you this. I want to say this. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: Larry was my friend for many, many years. But I
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  Speaker 4: want to tell you this. At the time, Larry heard
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  Speaker 4: the car. He had just enough time to turn his
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  Speaker 4: head and his body. Just turn when he got hit
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  Speaker 4: full force. Never put the brakes on. Never tried to stop.
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  Speaker 4: He lined up the car before he even gunned it
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  Speaker 4: towards Larry. There was no reckless homicide. This was premeditated murder.
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  Speaker 4: And he said so hours before, um, In the same
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  Speaker 4: room with the chief, the chief CG, Iris Rowley, Cheryl Long.
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  Speaker 4: He said, y'all took one of mine. I'm going to
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  Speaker 4: take one of yours.
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  Speaker 1: Right after watching the video, right? Right after watching the video.
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  Speaker 4: Right after watching the BWC video of his son being
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  Speaker 4: shot and killed.
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  Speaker 1: Statement of intent. Motive.
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  Speaker 3: Statement of intent.
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  Speaker 4: And then he went cruising for it. He went cruising
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  Speaker 4: for the perfect officer. So, no, call me crazy, Brian,
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  Speaker 4: that's premeditated murder. And that's exactly what he should go
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  Speaker 4: down for. And I'm so ashamed of Judge Lubbers with
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  Speaker 4: her ridiculous act last week where, you know, the Henderson
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  Speaker 4: family specifically asked. Should we stick around?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just giving the jury directions. You guys are good
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  Speaker 3: to go. And then wait till they leave.
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  Speaker 4: To introduce the lesser charge to the jury.
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  Speaker 3: Now, tell me about Marcy's law, Brian. Tell me.
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  Speaker 2: We'll have to bring her back because it's already 745.
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  Speaker 2: And this conversation will go way past the break mark.
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  Speaker 1: So let's pause. Don't go away. Wait, wait, wait, wait.
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  Speaker 4: So I can't cut into Judge McDowell's time because I
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  Speaker 4: know he's up next and he's one of my favorites.
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  Speaker 2: No, he's on after the top of the hour news.
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  Speaker 2: I've got five more minutes to talk with you, Signal 99.
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  Speaker 3: All righty then.
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  Speaker 1: Quick break.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to bring you back. Full half hour with
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  Speaker 2: you today. Listen, I'm here at CD Talk Station. 748
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  Speaker 2: at 55 KRC, the talk station. Brian Thomas with Signal
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  Speaker 2: 99 talking about the– Hinton Trial. And getting ready to
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  Speaker 2: have a go with the judge. Crime victims have the
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  Speaker 2: right to reasonable notice, to be present and heard at
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  Speaker 2: all court proceedings, to be informed of the release of
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  Speaker 2: the offender, input on the negotiation pleas, prompt conclusion of
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  Speaker 2: their case, etc.
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  Speaker 1: etc., etc.
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  Speaker 2: Crime victims and their families have rights under Marcy's Law
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  Speaker 2: in the state of Ohio. And in fact, the Ohio
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  Speaker 2: Supreme Court has even issued an Understanding Marcy's Law Quick
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  Speaker 2: Reference Guide for Judges. So the judges know exactly what
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  Speaker 2: they are supposed to do and not do. You wanted
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  Speaker 2: to talk about this in the context of Judge Lubbers
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  Speaker 2: at the Hinton trial. Go ahead, Signal 99.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, well, no, I just want to thank you for
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  Speaker 4: recapping Marcy's law. A lot of people don't understand what
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  Speaker 4: Marcy's law is. So, yes, the Henderson family had every
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  Speaker 4: right to talk about how they felt about a lesser charge.
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  Speaker 4: But they didn't know about the lesser charge until later.
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  Speaker 4: after they were already gone and had been introduced. And
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  Speaker 4: I just am so disgusted with Judge Loopers for that
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  Speaker 4: because I just don't believe that that was an accident.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 1: Well, how could it be? I mean, he was interviewed
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  Speaker 1: by Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Jamie Adkins, the prosecution psychologist, to testify about what he said.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, he said, I came to a line, I
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  Speaker 2: heard somebody say something in the car next to me
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  Speaker 2: because the window was down and I looked over. Then
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  Speaker 2: I looked back and I seen that officer. And that
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  Speaker 2: was when I drove the car over in his direction
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  Speaker 2: and hit the officer.
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  Speaker 3: Huh?
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  Speaker 2: And he said, no, I had to turn a little
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  Speaker 2: bit to hit him when he was asked whether he
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  Speaker 2: knew the officer. Hmm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: So he admitted to making.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not laughing because it's funny.
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  Speaker 1: No, it's not.
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  Speaker 3: It's so disgusting.
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  Speaker 4: This whole thing. A, like I said in my article,
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  Speaker 4: I don't believe that the trial should have even been
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  Speaker 4: held in Hampton County. I believe that people would lie
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  Speaker 4: to get on the jury, either to convict Hinton or
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  Speaker 4: to acquit him. I don't believe that 12 completely civil, civic-minded,
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  Speaker 4: altruistic jurors were seated.
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  Speaker 3: Without other intentions. I just don't. I just don't.
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  Speaker 4: I think it was too big of an issue in Cincinnati,
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  Speaker 4: and I just don't believe that none of them followed
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  Speaker 4: what happened.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and shouldn't the– I was just going to say,
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  Speaker 2: shouldn't our elected officials be more supportive of the Cincinnati
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  Speaker 2: Police Department? I mean, silence is deafening reflecting further erosion of,
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  Speaker 2: I suppose, morale among the various law enforcement agencies. Internal
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  Speaker 2: affairs cleared the shooting. The shooting was ruled justified in
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  Speaker 2: a very short period of time based upon the video evidence.
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  Speaker 2: Connie Pillich didn't lift a word, lift a finger to
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  Speaker 2: let anybody know. She waited 47 days to let people
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  Speaker 2: know it was justified.
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  Speaker 3: So, Brian, every, like, you can ask Joe. Like, every
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  Speaker 3: two or three days, I was like, hey, today is
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  Speaker 3: day 17. Do you think Connie Pillich is going to
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  Speaker 3: clear the officer? Today is day 23. Do you think
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  Speaker 3: Connie Pillich is going to? 47 days she waited. and
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  Speaker 3: here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: She saw the BWC footage the night that, that, um,
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  Speaker 4: Ryan Hinton was killed.
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  Speaker 3: Well, and you know, he saw the footage that day.
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  Speaker 2: And you talk of the aftermath of that, that silence
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  Speaker 2: can be really problematic given social media these days, because,
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  Speaker 2: you know, like killing a CEO by murdering him and
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  Speaker 2: shooting him in the back of the head can make
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  Speaker 2: a hero out of a murderer.
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  Speaker 1: Of course, um, Ryan Hinton Jr.
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  Speaker 2: Made a hero out by social media because, well, he
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  Speaker 2: killed a police officer.
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  Speaker 1: And they all.
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  Speaker 2: Claimed that it was, that the underlying shooting of his
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  Speaker 2: son was absolutely uncalled for and was not justified in
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  Speaker 2: any way, shape, and form. The prosecutor's office is the
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  Speaker 2: one that should have been out there.
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  Speaker 3: Go ahead. Yeah, and it was worse than that, Brian. So,
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  Speaker 3: of course, I'm the queen.
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  Speaker 4: I was online this whole time, okay?
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  Speaker 3: The day.
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  Speaker 4: May 1st, the day Ryan Hinton was shot and killed,
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  Speaker 4: I was online and they were actually tagging the Hinton family.
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  Speaker 3: Saying, y'all better go kill a cop. Eye for an eye.
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  Speaker 3: Avenge your son. They shot that boy in the back.
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  Speaker 3: They shot that baby in the back. Blah, blah, blah.
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  Speaker 3: He was not shot in the back. He was never
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  Speaker 3: shot in the back. The car was stolen. The handgun
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  Speaker 3: was stolen. He was not shot in the back.
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  Speaker 4: He absolutely did blade a firearm towards police officers and
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  Speaker 4: got smoked for it. But the whole internet from all
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  Speaker 4: over the world erupted and said, you.
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  Speaker 3: Better take vengeance. Take vengeance and avenge your son's death.
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  Speaker 2: Which he said he would do after— He had already
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  Speaker 2: said that out loud in front of the police that
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  Speaker 2: he was watching the video with. You know, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to take one of yours with me. And then you
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  Speaker 2: get social media piling on, and the guy has a
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  Speaker 2: demonstrated history of some pretty serious mental illness problems going on.
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  Speaker 2: So they're egging on a guy who's already disturbed because
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: his son is no longer alive, who's angry about it
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: because the police killed him, ignoring the realities that ultimately
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: ended his son's life. But cognitive issues abound with this guy.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: So the worst possible case scenario on this, but ultimately...
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: It's a question of whether he knew right from wrong
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: under the insanity or not guilty by reason of insanity offense.
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: He's not insane. Clyde is shady as hell.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: His attorney.
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, so he's.
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: Not insane, but that's the best defense Clyde could come
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: up with.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: What else is he going to say?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: He just wanted to kill a cop? I mean, of
• 19:00
  Speaker 4: course he's going to say he was insane.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Well, that's a defense attorney. You know.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: Your claim must have merit. I mean, litigation myth number one. But,
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: you know, as a criminal defense attorney, a lot of
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: them are placed in terrible positions.
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: Clyde's probably more insane than him.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to have a go to Clyde.
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: Every defense lawyer is put in a position like this
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: at some point. You've got to give it your best shot.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: I know.
• 19:24
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 19:24
  Speaker 4: I know, but I'm not an attorney, and I actually
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: don't hate Clyde. I just hate that he agreed to
• 19:31
  Speaker 4: take this case.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Well, you got to give him props for creativity, Signal 99.
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: You know, yeah, but still, at the end of the day,
• 19:41
  Speaker 4: Hinton's not crazy, and I'm terrified of what's going to
• 19:46
  Speaker 4: happen over the next.
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: Day or two. I'm absolutely terrified.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: I'm not terrified about riots if they convict him for
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: murder I'm not terrified about that and I'll.
• 19:56
  Speaker 3: Tell you why and I'm going to say this I'm
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: going to say it out loud are you.
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Ready if people want to riot because Rodney Hinton gets
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: found guilty of murder okay I guarantee you that the
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: Hamilton County Sheriff's Office and the Cincinnati Police Department will
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: gladly meet them wherever they designate their little riot to
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: kick off.
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: They'll be all in for that. I'm going to tell
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: you that right now.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: Because one of their own was murdered. Good point, Signal 99.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: Good point.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Signal 99, I can't thank you enough for the work
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: that you're doing on behalf of the community, trying to
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: make it a better place by revealing this stuff. And
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: quite often, as was the case with the NBank ruling
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: about city manager Cheryl Long, sometimes the first person to
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: come with the receipts.