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Joe Bradley & Maddi Reese on 'Southern Hospitality' Season 4, Fallout From The Fake Cheating Scandal, Maddi's Friendship With Emmy, Brad and Tj's Messiness, Progressing Their Relationship and More · Gabbing with Gib

• 0:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Welcome back to Gathering with Gid.
• 0:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Happy Southern hospitality season 4 from your day to all who celebrate.
• 0:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm your host Gibson Johns and today on the show we have been interviewing with Joe Bradley and Maddie Reese.
• 0:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Of course, Joe and Maddie are a couple.
• 0:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: They are very much central to this Southern charm spin-off which
• 0:24
  [SPEAKER_02]: To me, had its breakout season last season in season three and this season feels like they are poised to continue that momentum and really kind of solidify their spot on Broadway.
• 0:34
  [SPEAKER_02]: I think the premiere is excellent.
• 0:36
  [SPEAKER_02]: It literally picks up right where the reunion left off last year and the reunion was very dramatic.
• 0:41
  [SPEAKER_02]: It had the whole reveal from Maddie Reese that
• 0:44
  [SPEAKER_02]: TJ and Brad and Mia and Emmy were in a group chat where some of them came up with an idea to fake that her boyfriend at the time.
• 0:53
  [SPEAKER_02]: Trevor had cheated on her, turns out he never cheated on her.
• 0:56
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that all came out at the last reunion.
• 0:58
  [SPEAKER_02]: And of course, there was the Emmy and Will of it all will do not show up to the reunion.
• 1:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: He said it was going to be too hard on his mental health.
• 1:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: And many saw that as him not sticking up for Emmy, letting her once again sort of defend for herself.
• 1:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: So that sort of sets the stage for where things pick up, first season four, literally in New York for the reunion.
• 1:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it is, it's fantastic reunion.
• 1:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, they're obviously that is a,
• 1:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: big complicated twisted thread that we follow.
• 1:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's also another big source of trauma that involves Michaels and Molly and Lake and various other people on the cast and it just feels like everyone's locked in.
• 1:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Everybody's sort of
• 1:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: down for this season to be dramatic and to kind of again, just push it and but at the same time it feels authentic and like genuine friend group drama, you definitely feel like the show plays into it a little bit but not in a way that feels overbearing or put on.
• 1:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: It feels natural like this is how they're reacting to their environment constantly changing and yeah it's just a really good episode and I think it sets it up for a really great season.
• 2:05
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a two big interview at the end of the episode that ends
• 2:09
  [SPEAKER_02]: We find out about break up, we find out about sticker recording, we find out about somebody getting fired from a public.
• 2:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: There's a lot going on and I think you guys, I think for a treat this season.
• 2:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: So to kick off this fourth season of Southern hospitality, here's an interview with Joe Bradley and Maddie Reese, tuned into the Southern hospitality season four premier on Bravo at 9 p.m. Eastern tonight, after Southern charm or stream at next day on peacock.
• 2:33
  [SPEAKER_02]: And please make sure to rate or view and subscribe to Captain LeKib wherever you get your podcasts.
• 2:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: We'll be back on Friday with our end of season deep dive for the Real Housewives of Atomic, season 10.
• 3:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Alright, today we're gathering with Joe Bradley and Maddy Reese from Southern Hospitality.
• 3:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: He's in four of which premieres on Wednesday, March 4th.
• 3:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: You guys, they're premiered this way out of this world.
• 3:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: How are you feeling that?
• 3:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's about to be out.
• 3:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's a big one.
• 3:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I mean, it's crazy when the premiere kind of feels like a finale episode, so I, you know, we, with the new puppy, we've been a little bit sleep deprived originally so watching that with one I open yesterday was kind of was a, you know, like a truck hitting me, but
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: We're excited.
• 3:34
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was saying earlier, I think when you're in this world, you get me to be that perfect combination of like excited and proud, but also nervous.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 3:42
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I feel like if you're not a little nervous, you didn't do your job, where you did it.
• 3:46
  [SPEAKER_03]: You weren't living your true life, you know.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 3:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think so too.
• 3:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And this is your for for us.
• 3:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I feel like we're getting more this season.
• 3:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like you could looking back on.
• 3:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: I feel like this season was like all three combined.
• 4:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like all the best things from all the energy, the drama, everything that happened to growth, everything this season equates to like three of our past season.
• 4:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's exciting.
• 4:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, I really feel like your third season was the breakout season for you guys in a lot of ways and like this this episode literally picks up minutes after the reunion.
• 4:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So it's like you're really not wasting any time.
• 4:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's just just doesn't feel like it's just sort of like this train that's just you know, you're talking a long and just not really stopping.
• 4:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, for me personally, I feel like I was gone.
• 4:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I went on a massive DJ tour.
• 4:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like I was figuring out where my friendships lie, if I can be friends with a lot of the group.
• 4:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I feel like I come in with that dynamic.
• 4:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: But for Emmy, for example, they didn't really speak either since the reunion.
• 4:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's interesting because I know we all work together in hospitality, but majority of us
• 5:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: some of them only worked during the day and some of us do the VIP bottle service at night.
• 5:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it's like, it was finally like all our pasts are crossing and let's see where, you know, the dynamic stands today and I feel like you're right, like minutes into the premiere.
• 5:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels like it's right after the reunion.
• 5:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and I feel like Maddie after the reunion Maddie was either on her DJ tour or honestly like in the hospital She wasn't doing great.
• 5:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I think for them they're living their lives like do to do like where like everything's good and grand And then enters Maddie fucking race and she's like, you know on the beta block has all this There we go.
• 5:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's all this pent up things that she that she what up she's computational things that she would have said if she was still in town working with them but
• 5:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think it kind of it was warranted, but yeah, but definitely a great episode like there was stuff with Joe and the boys with Michaels and Molly with me and a lot of people in the group like there was deaf and Emmy and the group there was a lot definitely
• 6:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: to digest.
• 6:04
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, so we hear that like essentially when you guys got back to the hotel after the reunion, people overheard Emmy and Will in their hotel room and there's like recordings of it and text and it's like, it's kind of this like intense package to start off the episode.
• 6:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: And I guess for you guys, like, what was your understanding of what was being said there and like, how did that affect for both of you, what had been said and come up with the reunion?
• 6:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, there was this rumor that, you know, Brad was outside of her door recording her and there was this recording and I didn't listen to the recording.
• 6:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: There wasn't much in this recording and Even Molly was like, everyone in this zip code could hear like I didn't hear it joked in here.
• 6:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's just a thing that definitely thinks that it was more like.
• 6:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is their room.
• 6:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Let's see what they're talking about kind of thing.
• 6:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do think that in a way They probably were very thrilled to be able to take the heat off them for a second and put it on them Emmie takes full accountability for that so does will and they know that that's what their intention was, but longer.
• 7:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think about it though after a reunion I would love to see the percentage of people that after a reunion
• 7:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: after yelling at your friends or someone on your cast for four, so much eight hours, some of these readings, who wouldn't go back to their hotel and call their mom or call one of their friends and talk a little shit that just kind of like get it all out.
• 7:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And just kind of like, you know, and I think, I mean, well, thought they were in a
• 7:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: hotel room with the door closed that they had their privacy and maybe that someone wouldn't be sitting outside recording the conversation obviously So I feel like that also shocked them, but also We knew that there was like rumors about that and I know that Emmy felt a certain type of way about that
• 7:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: but we definitely didn't hear it, and they made it seem like everyone could hear them talking, and they were in the privacy of their hotel room.
• 8:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we didn't obviously hear that, even though most of us were staying on the same floor.
• 8:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: But yeah, I just feel like in a way they wanted to find a way to pin everything on Emmy, especially because she spilled the beans on them, and kind of told the truth about
• 8:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: how calculated they can be kind of.
• 8:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I kind of, you know, feel for Emmy in a way, but I also feel for TJ and Brad who feel like, you know, their reputation is on the line and they feel like they've been done wrong by Emmy and Will.
• 8:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I understand that, but for us, we feel like Will has, you know,
• 8:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, we love them and we spend a lot of time with at me.
• 8:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, uh, you know, we try to be there for her as she can, especially because I feel like she definitely struggles with confrontation.
• 9:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 9:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sometimes, you know, dinner tables.
• 9:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just, I just hate to accept it.
• 9:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just don't want to see anyone get ganged up on unless they absolutely deserve it.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, yeah.
• 9:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: it's just one of those things is very complicated.
• 9:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: I see where they're coming from but like it doesn't need to like I said earlier like if you're if you're if you don't handle dinner tables while on Bravo like it's gonna be that's the bread and bread yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's the name of a game of reality TV is like you gotta be able to handle it the hard part is that like obviously will is no longer on the show he didn't tropes the period and I feel like and so she's kind of left to defend herself and so it's nice that she does have you two in her corner at this point
• 9:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: I feel like they're smoking gun.
• 9:40
  [SPEAKER_02]: If you want to call it that from the recordings or overhearing their hotel room was like, they made it sound like they heard Emmy sort of insinuate that using Will's mental health as an excuse not to show up to the reunion was like, not actually what was going on.
• 9:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: I had a beer with him the day before and he seemed completely fine.
• 9:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm not saying people don't men's mental how they take that very seriously.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: Right.
• 10:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: So of course.
• 10:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: He will consult some of the worst cases people do suffer in silence.
• 10:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's hard for me to have that much empathy when I'm working at my girlfriend.
• 10:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's literally having a panic attack in front of me and she shows up and she takes it on the chin.
• 10:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So it's hard for me to have an empathy when I just
• 10:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: when Mattie could somehow pull it off and he cut in when he like shook my hand and I think everyone and us included were upset that well didn't show up especially like I was having a full-bomb panic attack and I felt like I still showed up and I think well with scared it was going to be a bloodbath but like it was a bloodbath anyway and to leave your girlfriend in that position where she can handle the bloodbath and I'm going to sit back and
• 10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That doesn't give like man energy to me.
• 10:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would literally like kill him.
• 10:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would kill him.
• 10:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh my God.
• 10:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would do it myself.
• 10:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would do it myself.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would kill him.
• 10:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we both were disappointed and well for that.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, for sure.
• 11:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: And we were disappointed in them kind of celebrating the way
• 11:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: that it turned everything, but they've taken full of accountability for that and taking full ownership for that.
• 11:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think they just wanted to put it out there to say, you know, especially, I mean, I think she's more so like what if this seems situation happened to me that they did to Matty.
• 11:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 11:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So throughout the premiere, Maddie, like we, we see that like obviously you are still kind of, you've struggled with this whole thing in the aftermath of all this was it was really intense situation and you know, Joe, you also hope explain that that part of it and then from the flip side we see Brad be like, well, I apologize and we went out that night and Maddie was hugging me or whatever.
• 11:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: So like I guess from out of your perspective, just in your words, what were you still looking for from Brad and TJ and Mia that you had not gone from them?
• 11:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I was after the reunion, like even with all the drama and stuff, we're all saying in the same hotel, like usually we after the reunion will have a drink at the far at the at the bottom of the of the place we stayed the dream hotel, the towel and another restaurant right underneath it.
• 12:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: So we usually
• 12:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, I'll have a drink and stuff like that, but the thing is, is after the reunion, Amy reached out to me.
• 12:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: She came over to my house.
• 12:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: She brought me food.
• 12:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: We sent me work out classes.
• 12:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, she really, really put in effort to be my friends.
• 12:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And over time, I appreciated that, you know, she came to me and told me the truth.
• 12:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this would have been a completely different situation.
• 12:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I probably would never talk to Amy again.
• 12:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: If,
• 12:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: TJ Bratt or Mia decided to be honest.
• 12:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it's me versus hearing from Emmy.
• 12:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that Emmy also just made that attempt to be my friend.
• 12:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like after the reunion, I didn't really see or have any attempt from the three of them.
• 13:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think they were ever been kind of more interested in having a...
• 13:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: a relationship with me.
• 13:06
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also think he goes deeper than I really do think Brad and TJ are kind of the public masters in this and I also really believe that when you go through something traumatic and something bad, you're not going to be able to cope with that in an expression of feelings and there's a hugged out and everything's good.
• 13:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: it's after a reunion or a very like stressful traumatic experience.
• 13:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: So when the dust settles, sometimes it's a delayed reaction and that's what happened with Maddie.
• 13:29
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what we had to go through.
• 13:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I also feel like a bad night at the reunion or whatever it is when we're at the bar and they came up to me and I was like, I don't want to talk about it.
• 13:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's because I have had three panic attacks already.
• 13:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm emotionally drained and but they never tried to talk about it again or tried to
• 13:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: have a friendship with me um but all right we're good now right guys yeah like let's never come and it's kind of oh we did everything that we should have done kind of thing that's kind of what they were yeah where months between we started filming like Emmy made an active effort to be my friend to show up for me and I really appreciated that and honestly was
• 14:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was kind of shocked by it a little bit, like it was a little unexpected, but I was I'm so grateful because Emmy and I have had like really hard times and to be wherever we are right now, I definitely think that there's faults with some of the things that Emmy has done with their actions, but I'm not perfect either.
• 14:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: So, well, I think there's something to be said about being able to rebuild a friendship, and I think it's like the strength of the like base level connection and bond.
• 14:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: Joe, for you, we see you meet up with the boys and I'm curious how this whole thing has affected your friendships with TJ and Brad, because obviously you and TJ had a whole thing last season that was difficult for your friendship.
• 14:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: What was the effect on those relationships?
• 14:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: My thing is, it's like, I don't know.
• 14:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm still working on confrontation.
• 14:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, you know, like, I don't know if you remember me back at a mystery game, but I didn't really have any confrontation, like, I was, I was kind of was just the party guy and right everything's everything's always a good time.
• 15:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: Joey, Joey bottles was in college too, but I...
• 15:14
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm really working on that and I think like people can drag my name and you can come after me, but I really was hurt for what they did to Matty and it's it's really this season.
• 15:26
  [SPEAKER_03]: It's really hard for me to like look these guys in the face after just being so used to like.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: always having guy friends around me and to be able to trust them it.
• 15:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: After what they did to me, but what they did to Madly, it's really going to be hard to come back from that point.
• 15:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think at the end of the day that Joe wants guy friends and wants to have boys night and all this stuff, but it's difficult when the guys once spent spread a horrible rumor about you and your sexuality and then the other person tends to
• 15:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: um fallen line with him and i feel like for him he's trying to find his dynamic but at the same time it's he wants guy friends and wants to be of a mental one of the nation's redding person but he's way more forgiving than than than me but time heals all wounds
• 16:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Last question about this whole thing is like obviously we found out at the reunion that like the whole cheating thing about Trevor was not true and so I feel like Matty for you.
• 16:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm guessing that's part of this whole thing is like processing.
• 16:32
  [SPEAKER_02]: that it wasn't true, but that's you had broken out after that.
• 16:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: How does that affect how you like look back at a relationship?
• 16:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Now that you're in this awesome great relationship with Joe, like that's confusing.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think I explained it to a T on the show.
• 16:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was just in no world, did I ever expect that like, oh, you're going to believe your partner over your friends?
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, that's not normal.
• 16:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think like usually when your friends come to you and tell you something
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, you believe them and they're telling the truth.
• 17:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think it was a really hard pill for me to swallow that a man was telling the truth.
• 17:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, in what fucking worlds?
• 17:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I feel like that was a really hard pill for me to swallow.
• 17:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I had a lot of guilt about that because, you know, during the time of the show and going back, you know, Trevor and I would get screaming arguments about this stuff.
• 17:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, I would say they keep saying
• 17:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: to feel that it's hard to lay the whole time and he was telling the truth.
• 17:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Was really hard pill for me to swallow and I had a lot of guilt and just what world is the is the man telling the truth.
• 17:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Deschips.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: I will give it to like Emmy and Will Ell.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_03]: after all the cheating allegations, the way they were able to stay together, I give them props because in this world, even if it's completely not true, someone's saying it, it's a really hard thing to cope with and like bounce back from.
• 17:59
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like, really, really fucking true.
• 18:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 18:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's also like, it's like on reality TV once something's out there again, even if it's not true, like,
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_02]: Some viewers might not remember the update that it wasn't true, or like the, you know, any means like out there that they just, let's see this pointed in their head.
• 18:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that, that, that, absolutely a cheater.
• 18:17
  [SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, and I'm not defending this guy.
• 18:19
  [SPEAKER_03]: I fucking hate our ex-boyfriend.
• 18:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: But yeah, yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 18:37
  [SPEAKER_02]: I'm going to clear off about that.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: I won Michael's to find the love so we can support his new man one day.
• 18:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm just kidding.
• 18:45
  [SPEAKER_03]: Michael's is me, Michael's are very close and he definitely holds me accountable.
• 18:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: Just like I hold him accountable later this season.
• 18:51
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's all out of love with him.
• 18:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like he's one of those friends that we can like kind of...
• 18:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: you know, give each other's shit, but it's out of love and that's like, it's like a brother relationship.
• 19:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was ever public way before him.
• 19:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I remember him teaching him some stuff too.
• 19:07
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I'm really proud of him and I'm glad he called me out on it.
• 19:11
  [SPEAKER_03]: But at the same time, like,
• 19:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I also don't think that Joe was like skipping out of work to go see my DJ careers.
• 19:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that unfolds more this season of like how he feels like maybe, you know, he's been a host for years and he's not growing and what's his future.
• 19:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, look like and I don't think it was just like to support me on tour as much as it.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He was like, what's my next step?
• 19:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm, you know, getting older and I have dreams
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that you see that play out this season, and especially with Leva, and even I kind of get involved of like, you know, trying to help him find his way.
• 19:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so exactly, she's, she's, um, everything she said, it's, it's almost to the point where like, I have created this identity and I had all this fulfillment because finally, after failing out of school and like not being able to like pick a job I loved.
• 20:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: I found this big identity on King Street, ever public and then I kind of hit this.
• 20:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: crossroads, I'm turning 30 years old and I'm not growing anymore.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I love this industry, people like do I need to pivot?
• 20:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: Like how do I grow in this situation?
• 20:23
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I think a lot of people can relate to that.
• 20:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think a lot of people hit a point in their career whether they're not growing and they kind of freak out a little bit and lose motivation.
• 20:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: So I don't think what I'm going through is anything that crazy, but I think it's really important for the stage of my life.
• 20:39
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, I also think it's going to be refreshing to see people you talk about that because it's again, it's not to often talk about and Like it was talked about in Salt Lake City where we these business didn't work and like when she opened up, I thought that That was like received so well because people only want to show their successes and what's
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_03]: I love how vulnerable she was when she, yeah, her shit.
• 20:58
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I, I really try to do that this season.
• 21:01
  [SPEAKER_03]: And it's tough because I want people to invest in me.
• 21:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: And like, if they're watching this on a show, like, oh, this guy doesn't have a shit together, but it's real.
• 21:08
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's my real life.
• 21:09
  [SPEAKER_03]: I just got to own it.
• 21:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I can't be fugazzy and just start on like, and Joe's definitely going from that as well.
• 21:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like what he's gone through this summer.
• 21:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: He's definitely grown from it.
• 21:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: And has learned like, okay, maybe drinking too much.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: level or my job or like maybe I need to dial more into, you know, these certain goals versus these certain goals.
• 21:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think you really see that transition for Joe where he's like, you know, these are my dreams and how do how do I achieve them?
• 21:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, no one's going to do it for me.
• 21:41
  [SPEAKER_03]: So yeah, I can keep coasting and getting away with all this shit, but it's just like, yeah, the coming of age.
• 21:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's also easier set than down one like your professional careers.
• 21:51
  [SPEAKER_02]: So
• 21:52
  [SPEAKER_02]: you know, uh, intricately tied to like partying.
• 21:55
  [SPEAKER_02]: And that's a hard thing to separate and like do it correctly.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: Like that's of course.
• 22:00
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's very hard.
• 22:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: You know, so it makes sense.
• 22:03
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what I'm working on right now.
• 22:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: I haven't really been drinking at all, and I'm just like, if I wanna stay in this industry, I gotta be able to learn to master it.
• 22:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: And I started losing a little bit control this past summer.
• 22:16
  [SPEAKER_03]: So that balance, and if you can master like Maddie has, it's a superpower, but if you can, it's not gonna work out well.
• 22:25
  [SPEAKER_02]: So what are we going to see in terms of like update on your relationship and how you guys are thinking about your future this season because we get we get a little bit of breadcrumbs of that in the premiere, but obviously you just got your dog Aussie who does introduce you to before we start recording what what tease a little bit what we're going to kind of get from you guys not regard.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that this season, it's like I said, a very transitional season all around for our relationships with the group in the dynamic for our careers, our future and everything.
• 22:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you're also going to see conversations about what's the next steps for us, whether even independently if it's career, you know, together moving in together or.
• 23:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, what that next step is for us, um, I decide this year, even like kids come into conversation, like kids, marriage, moving in together, like everything you will see this season, and even freezing my eggs was a huge journey.
• 23:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I go on this season as well, and I think you're just going to see all the card on a table with what our timeline is and what future.
• 23:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm trying to cope with the idea of even turning 30 and then everyone's like, all right, time's up, buddy, you're you're screwed.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
• 23:49
  [SPEAKER_03]: I'm surrounded by a lot of strong woman in my life.
• 23:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: My mom, Leva, her mom, probably might be the strongest one of all.
• 23:56
  [SPEAKER_03]: But it's a lot, but I think we just kind of get to that point where like what's best for us?
• 24:02
  [SPEAKER_03]: We can't always just like, you know, let's know where we're going.
• 24:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: We have those hard conversations so we can set our future up with success.
• 24:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, of course.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: As much as it might be like, oh, they might be having a disagreement on this.
• 24:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's like the reason for that disagreement is to set our future up for success in like what those next steps look like.
• 24:18
  [SPEAKER_02]: exciting.
• 24:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's ultimately an exciting thing, you know, like in this.
• 24:22
  [SPEAKER_02]: And the reality TV forces you to have those conversations, maybe that people are too afraid to have and outside of it.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: 100%.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: Right.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_02]: So not a bad thing.
• 24:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: We kept saying that like it was the year the snake into like figure all out and shed all the things you need to shed.
• 24:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And this year the year the horse is like the action year.
• 24:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're like gonna get the dog.
• 24:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: We learn fire house.
• 24:44
  [SPEAKER_03]: We learn from what we went through last year.
• 24:47
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think, you know, every year we're going to have to shed a move forward too though, it's just part of it.
• 24:52
  [SPEAKER_03]: But yeah, we're really excited.
• 24:54
  [SPEAKER_03]: We definitely didn't shy away or hide anything from the cameras this season, which being in this world, we're proud of that, but it comes with the prize I haven't ever watched it, but you know what, yeah, we're here for it.
• 25:04
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was what we signed up for.
• 25:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: exactly.
• 25:07
  [SPEAKER_02]: What is your read on what is going down between Michael's and Molly and Lake?
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: Because that's the other big, and a half of the episode.
• 25:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: And it's hard to tell sort of where to land.
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that, you know, both of them have some truth in their side, but at the end of the day, I do think that, you know, the two of them at some point did have a close friendship with Molly, but then Molly, you know, decided to
• 25:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: side with different people.
• 25:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way, the way that she sided with Michael's ex.
• 25:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then also with like TJ and Brad and Mia, like, and I feel like that rubbed Michaels and lake in a lot of people the wrong way.
• 25:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I do think that, I don't know, like even with Molly being like fired and her being like, Michael's having something to do with that.
• 26:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: At the end of the day, I had Michael's job for seven years.
• 26:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: You can, you know, have opinions, but you cannot do that at the end of the day, fire, hire someone.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know Molly, you know, had issues with other bartenders and other staff at the workplace that led to her firing.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I really don't think that it had anything to do with, like,
• 26:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like Michael's does have that much power.
• 26:31
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like he's not love a boner part like he doesn't have that much power to like he can call the cops though.
• 26:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: And that's really threatened.
• 26:39
  [SPEAKER_03]: So.
• 26:40
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, but I think it's not some power.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 26:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because he is job position, share opinions about the end of the day.
• 26:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: He doesn't have the power to fire her.
• 26:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: There was actions that Molly did like not showing up fighting with other bartenders, getting bad reviews that led to her firing and maybe, you know, Michaels can share opinions, but at the end of the day, he doesn't have the power to actually, yeah, fire someone.
• 27:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's just my point of view.
• 27:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, it makes sense to me, it makes sense for the jump there, but if it's not the reality of his power, then he can't, that it's not the truth.
• 27:15
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, love is also a five feet away in this moment, so it's like, yeah.
• 27:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I just had his job for seven years, like I.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: You know it.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I knew that, so it would be a weird case.
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think if now the rules were changed and like all of a sudden the VIP manager can hire and fire people, you know, you can have opinions.
• 27:35
  [SPEAKER_03]: I was Michael's a death.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: He's got a crazy, crazy summer, but you know, we're, I think the world can, can finally realize that even Michael's pania isn't perfect.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even even the perfect specimen of a human has a little bit of thoughts.
• 28:02
  [SPEAKER_02]: it felt genuine too to me.
• 28:03
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I really felt that.
• 28:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, and they're also still like, all right, let's move forward, but like in a careful way, I like I liked that.
• 28:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: The episode does end with a screaming match.
• 28:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: It's intense.
• 28:21
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that I guess like, is that a preview of where things are going to go for you guys?
• 28:27
  [SPEAKER_02]: Is that sort of the low point for this relationship that you guys have and like, is there hope for you and Brad and TJ to bury the hatchet?
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I said after the reunion I more so was like I'm never going to be friends with this group again, but at the same time, you know, I've learned that when you have resentment the best thing to do is to.
• 28:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: talk about it and work through it so you can get on the other side and I'm really hopeful to get on the other side so I definitely think that it was a low moment for the season between us and the rest of the season it's more about growth and maybe even on the paths to ever be able to trust them again.
• 29:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's hard because
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: uh, the episode does continue.
• 29:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: It says to be continued and it obviously, you know, continues more and I try to express, you know, where my heart is really coming from, but I also feel like that I was
• 29:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, having anger and feelings because I also felt like I had to defend myself and be defensive on people that have gas lit me, lied to me, and manipulated me for years, but also manipulated the world in the audience and and Bravo and all these people and I felt like I needed it to be able to stay in on tentos and
• 29:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, sometimes I'm not proud of the way that I can like see red and like I have a dark passenger for sure.
• 29:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I wish I maybe, you know, had a more level head of conversation, but I at the end of the day, it was a little month and months of building up.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_03]: And in my opinion, when I when I'm looking back on and even in the moment, I'm like, if you just locked them in a room and they just dook it out,
• 30:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's what needed to happen at the end of the day.
• 30:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like it's something that needed to happen to be able to move forward.
• 30:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: But it just was really hard for me because, you know, through all the years of the dishonesty, I really thought that TJ and Brad and me and I were in a really good place.
• 30:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's especially last year and, you know,
• 30:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was in a place where I trusted them.
• 30:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I thought we were in a good place.
• 30:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, Emmy and I weren't on the best place in our friendship.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, she tried to come from my job this season before.
• 30:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: The next season, I hear her boyfriend talking shit about her.
• 30:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just, we weren't in the best place.
• 30:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, I'm really proud to see where, you know, Emmy and I, his friendship has come.
• 30:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: But with them, I was really, really, really hurt.
• 30:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just think for them.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think I had to rethink everything and for them, I don't think they ever really liked me or wanted to be my friends just to be brutally honest when I thought we had genuine friendships.
• 31:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: We would go on vacations together.
• 31:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: I would invite TJ to be around my family and things like that where I felt like.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: like what is this relationship in the first place right now coming into this it's seeming like you guys aren't interested in having you know a real friendship with me in the first place.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: So I think I just wanted to get to the bottom that and figure that out and the only way to really do so is to confront your issues head on and talk about it.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's definitely one of my superpowers but I definitely confrontation but I definitely feel like my weakness is maybe how I can go about it sometimes.
• 31:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but you know, but as you guys said like it had been bubbling up like in you and so yeah, I can see right and I'm definitely may be not super proud of how I was going around serving them.
• 31:57
  [SPEAKER_03]: I also want people to say, I want people to know that we feel under summer, just to put this like on the record, we feel in the summer in like a record, a hot, hottest months of Charles and he too.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_03]: So.
• 32:10
  [SPEAKER_05]: That's what you said.
• 32:12
  [SPEAKER_03]: That's what you said.
• 32:13
  [SPEAKER_03]: We just add that in as a factor for the season four.
• 32:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Okay.
• 32:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: The last question that Maddie, when you were talking, I was thinking about, I feel like I don't remember if on the reunion we got an answer about this, but then crafting the whole narrative about Trevor.
• 32:30
  [SPEAKER_02]: Was the motivation to help the show and have it have this big?
• 32:35
  [SPEAKER_02]: moment like at the expense of your relationship or like, what did, what was the, do you know what the motivation was behind the whole thing?
• 32:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think the motivation was more so about the dumpster.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and my, okay, how about you?
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_02]: Pay back for that.
• 32:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that TJ Mia and Brad all have things on each other and I think that I tend to bring that to the light and I think that they don't like that because they're herster reputation and I think that
• 33:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: you know, I've learned maybe sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut, but you know, sometimes I can't help myself of telling and speaking like the truth or things that I've seen and I think that their motive at the end of the day was to be able to hurt me so their reputation could be could be salvaged or saved and I think they're just three type of people that
• 33:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: But there's like a thousand on some ways as others.
• 33:36
  [SPEAKER_03]: Let's put it on someone else so we can be on the other side of it and we're seeing.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they said to talk about other people more than they talk about themselves and their personal stories.
• 33:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you know, I will say I think that, you know, Michael's really puts it all out there this season and I, and I feel like he has a hard time with that this summer.
• 33:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's, you know, plenty of people that have put it out there, but I think,
• 33:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: for them.
• 34:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they rather, you know, save their reputations and talk it on someone else.
• 34:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: And yeah, of course, like making the show good is like a motive and a thing at the end of the day, but I think regardless for a group of friends, regardless, I think the show would be so true.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: I just didn't know that was sort of part of the form to what they were trying to create, you know, because it was like,
• 34:21
  [SPEAKER_03]: I think it was a little bit tougher, and he just took it way too far.
• 34:25
  [SPEAKER_03]: It was like, when Matti saw him at the dumpster, he was talking that go for like two days.
• 34:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: There's just like a long term relationship.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's like, it wasn't tougher than that.
• 34:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It was like, this thing, the crime doesn't,
• 34:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: fit the punishment.
• 34:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's a punishment.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: It doesn't fit the crime.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, yeah.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 34:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like that girl, when I saw him with another girl in the back alleyway and like, I will take full accountability if like, like, he wasn't getting his dick suck but something sexual and inappropriate was happening with this other girl.
• 34:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: The girl that I was talking about, he was went on like two dates with his girlfriend at the time.
• 34:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: This was my five year.
• 35:00
  [SPEAKER_03]: This flipped her world upside down.
• 35:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: relationship.
• 35:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was with him.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I owned properties with him.
• 35:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I owned cars with them.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Leaving that relationship was like extremely difficult.
• 35:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I just don't think the crime fit the punishment.
• 35:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I am just so shocked.
• 35:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: They were able to sleep at the end of the night every night, honestly.
• 35:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think that's why I was so angry and I had my feelings, but I do think that time heals all wounds.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I think that in the premiere, this is the lowest you see us as and the rest is just a moving on to a point where we can all, you know, be cordial and happen up in the night though.
• 35:38
  [SPEAKER_03]: It doesn't happen every night, but she's not throwing depth, she's not throwing cut-offs to the ground.
• 35:43
  [SPEAKER_03]: Cut out to the people.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'm not throwing.
• 35:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, we don't want to happen overnight.
• 35:48
  [SPEAKER_02]: We want to see the process.
• 35:50
  [SPEAKER_02]: We want to see that rebuilding.
• 35:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: The conversation's definitely turned to be more constructive.
• 35:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
• 35:57
  [SPEAKER_01]: You live in your last room.
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know?
• 35:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: 100%.
• 36:01
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, Maddie and Joe, I really appreciate you taking the time today and congrats new dog parents.
• 36:06
  [SPEAKER_02]: I mean, you know, you're son is your son is very handsome.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
• 36:13
  [SPEAKER_02]: There we go.
• 36:14
  [SPEAKER_02]: Look at him.
• 36:15
  [SPEAKER_02]: I need to get him on Michigan, Oregon, and stars.
• 36:17
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, I'm like, come on, and raise him blue, at least.
• 36:19
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 36:20
  [SPEAKER_02]: Well, thank you so much for taking the time and season four.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_02]: I can tell it's going to be.
• 36:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, no, another banger for you guys.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, it's going to be a really good season.
• 36:31
  [SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we hope we hope to see you soon in person.
• 36:33
  [SPEAKER_03]: I hope so too.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: We love you.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: We're so excited to see you today.
• 36:37
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• 36:40
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• 36:41
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• 37:03
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• 37:09
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• 37:21
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