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KEY WITNESS IN PASTOR’S WIFE MICA MILLER CASE DEAD · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Pastor John Paul Miller out of South Carolina, Myrtle Beach,
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  Speaker 1: walks free on felony cyber-stalking charges that he cyber-stalked his wife, Micah, just.
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  Speaker 2: Before she's found dead.
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  Speaker 1: Many people do not believe that Micah committed suicide. Others
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  Speaker 1: believe that she was driven to suicide by her husband.
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  Speaker 1: And there is precedent in our country for prosecuting someone
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  Speaker 1: who drives another to suicide. He didn't just con, I think,
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  Speaker 1: the judge. He didn't just con Micah. He managed to
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  Speaker 1: somehow con a whole congregation. This guy, an ankle monitor,
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  Speaker 1: you think it's going to stop him from doing something bizarre?
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  Speaker 1: Hubby puts on a master class and a front yard tantrum.
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  Speaker 3: I just want to live in a virtual world.
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  Speaker 1: You're not going to Jesus yet, if ever. You've got
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  Speaker 1: a little federal trial coming up on two felony counts
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  Speaker 1: of cyber-stalking. All this business about, I just want to
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  Speaker 1: get to heaven quickly, right now. You can go wherever
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  Speaker 1: the Lord sends you after a little pit stop in
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  Speaker 1: federal court.
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  Speaker 4: I got this. Linux.
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  Speaker 5: Do her body and spend time with her body about
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  Speaker 5: four times this week.
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  Speaker 4: And each time, it.
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  Speaker 5: Still didn't hit me. I thought she was going to
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  Speaker 5: wake up. I even tried to raise her from the
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  Speaker 5: dead one time this week. And she was so creative.
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  Speaker 5: Everything she did was so creative.
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  Speaker 4: What's the next picture? You know, I've been speaking for,
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  Speaker 4: many years, and for the first time, I don't really
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  Speaker 4: know exactly, you know, how to open or how to
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  Speaker 4: close or any of that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to have to play that again. That is
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  Speaker 1: from Solid Rock Ministries. Does he actually think.
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  Speaker 2: I'm buying this?
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  Speaker 1: There were no tears and definitely no snot. I need
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  Speaker 1: to see that one more time.
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  Speaker 4: I can't wait to see her again one day.
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  Speaker 1: Oh. I'm good.
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  Speaker 4: And that's nothing. She was so creative. She just, it
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  Speaker 4: was just always just coming out of her.
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  Speaker 1: So many things just jump out at me. Again, that
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  Speaker 1: is from Solid Rock Ministries. For those of you just
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  Speaker 1: joining us, the pastor, John Paul Miller, finally facing federal
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  Speaker 1: charges in connection to his wife, Micah Miller. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: He says, oh, after all these years, you know, speaking,
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  Speaker 1: he suggests that he is short of words. He doesn't
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  Speaker 1: know what to say, but yet he keeps talking. He
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  Speaker 1: says he doesn't like pain. We'll get ready for a
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  Speaker 1: boatload of it, John Paul Miller. Joining me, an all-star
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  Speaker 1: panel to make sense of what we are learning, straight
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  Speaker 1: out to Alexis Tereschuk, Crime Stories investigative reporter. Alexis, the
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  Speaker 1: feds finally bring down the hammer this afternoon. Hundreds and
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  Speaker 1: hundreds of online protests appealing to L.E. law enforcement to
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  Speaker 1: bring charges. What are the charges, Alexis Tereschuk?
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  Speaker 6: He has been charged with cyber stalking. And I'm going
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  Speaker 6: to read exactly the indictment that he, John Paul Miller,
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  Speaker 6: sent or caused to be sent unwanted and harassing electronic
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  Speaker 6: communications to her, used or threatened to use nude videos
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  Speaker 6: and photographs of her, posted a nude photo of her
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  Speaker 6: online without her consent, placed or caused to be placed
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  Speaker 6: a tracking device on her vehicle with the intent to
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  Speaker 6: harass and surveil her. And he interfered with her finances, banking,
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  Speaker 6: and interfered with her daily activities. He also made a
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  Speaker 6: false statement to law enforcement. They said he did knowingly
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  Speaker 6: and willfully make a material of false fictitious and fraudulent
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  Speaker 6: statement in representation in this case. He said that they
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  Speaker 6: had been calling each other back and forth. The fed said, nope,
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  Speaker 6: you called her more than 50 times in one day
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  Speaker 6: harassing her. He said, I never damaged her car tires.
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  Speaker 6: They said, you actually bought a tool to deflate car
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  Speaker 6: tires and deflate In fact, you caused these tires on
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  Speaker 6: her car to be deflated.
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  Speaker 1: That's a lot from the feds. Guys, finally, what many people,
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  Speaker 1: what many justice champions have longed for since Micah's body
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  Speaker 1: was found at the Lumber River State Park, the feds
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  Speaker 1: bring down the hammer and do what state authorities refused
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  Speaker 1: to do.
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  Speaker 7: Listen. Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Law enforcement is notified by 911 dispatch that Micah Miller
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  Speaker 8: is in Lumber River State Park and they begin searching.
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  Speaker 8: Micah Miller's phone is pinged at 3.20 p.m. and law
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  Speaker 8: enforcement has a drone dispatched to the area to help search.
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  Speaker 8: At 3.42, Micah's car is located in the parking lot
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  Speaker 8: of the Lumber River State Park. Inside the car, investigators
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  Speaker 8: find a 9mm Sig Sauer hard gun case and receipt
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  Speaker 8: showing the location of where the weapon was purchased.
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  Speaker 1: Many devotees still insist Micah Miller was murdered, but.
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  Speaker 2: Here is hard evidence.
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  Speaker 9: Investigators at Lumber River State Park are notified by a
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  Speaker 9: kayaker at 4.23 p.m. that a body is in the
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  Speaker 9: river and a black bag with ID and money found
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  Speaker 9: on the bank of the river is turned over to
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  Speaker 9: law enforcement as well. Officers recovered two spent casings and
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  Speaker 9: one live round on the bank of the river, and
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  Speaker 9: there's no sign of a physical struggle. A regional pathologist
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  Speaker 9: is called to the scene for assistance. Micah Miller is
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  Speaker 9: found submerged in the river beside tree limbs about 100
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  Speaker 9: feet from the casings.
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  Speaker 1: In Jesus' name, in Jesus' name. Every time I see
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  Speaker 1: Micah Miller, I feel a great sense of injustice. Amidst claims,
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  Speaker 1: new claims in a civil lawsuit that Miller, the pastor,
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  Speaker 1: and Micah Miller's former husband, used the church as a
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  Speaker 1: sexual playground. According to the complainant, the petitioner in that case,
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  Speaker 1: she was just 15 years old when their sex affair started.
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  Speaker 1: You know, in most jurisdictions with an underage girl, That
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  Speaker 1: is called statutory rape. I don't know what's going to
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  Speaker 1: become of any criminal charges there, but there is a
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  Speaker 1: civil lawsuit right now. And this, as Pastor John Paul
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  Speaker 1: Miller walks free on felony charges.
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  Speaker 10: Listen.
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  Speaker 11: We know just a fraction of what Micah went through.
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  Speaker 11: And we're very, very pleased that he has finally been indicted.
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  Speaker 12: Outside the Florence courthouse where J.P. Miller faces arraignment on
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  Speaker 12: federal charges, more than 70 people dressed in purple chant
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  Speaker 12: Micah's name, carrying signs with her picture and purple balloons. Miller,
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  Speaker 12: dressed in a silver suit, refusing to speak to the media,
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  Speaker 12: entering the courthouse through a side gate, protected by extra security.
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  Speaker 12: Some supporters could not enter the packed courtroom where Miller
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  Speaker 12: makes his plea.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, the irony.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, that video is from our friends
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  Speaker 1: at Myrtle Beach Sun News and WPDE. The irony, Jennifer Wood,
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  Speaker 1: the irony that Pastor John Paul Miller shows up in
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  Speaker 1: a silver suit demanding anonymity. It reminds me of Harry
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  Speaker 1: and Meghan's worldwide privacy tour.
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  Speaker 2: Don't look at me.
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  Speaker 4: Leave me alone.
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  Speaker 1: As I go on to the late night talk shows
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  Speaker 1: that said he shows up in this sparkly silver suit
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  Speaker 1: demanding to be left alone and flanked by security.
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  Speaker 2: But yet no one protected Micah Miller. Now she's dead.
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  Speaker 2: How many times.
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  Speaker 1: Was she allegedly abused, verbally threatened, cyber-stalked, you name it,
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  Speaker 1: by her husband? Can you imagine your own husband posting
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  Speaker 1: naked photos of you online? That said, why is he
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  Speaker 1: walking free, Jennifer Wood? Why is he out amongst regular people?
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  Speaker 13: It's a good question. He is out with an ankle
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  Speaker 13: monitor on and with some pretty serious conditions related to
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  Speaker 13: his release. We'll have to see if he can follow
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  Speaker 13: all of those conditions.
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  Speaker 1: Please put her up. Okay, Jennifer, I like you. You're
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  Speaker 1: an incredible reporter. Did you just say, some serious conditions.
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  Speaker 2: Like an ankle monitor.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to play you some sound in a moment
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  Speaker 1: about a guy that eluded police because he put the
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  Speaker 1: ankle monitor on his cat. He got a three day
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  Speaker 1: lead on the feds, right? The cat was wearing the
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  Speaker 1: ankle monitor.
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  Speaker 2: Is that, do you actually think that's a serious condition?
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  Speaker 1: I got another case where a guy committed a rape
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  Speaker 1: with the ankle monitor on his ankle. Do you think
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  Speaker 1: an ankle monitor is going to slow down Pastor John
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  Speaker 1: Paul Miller?
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  Speaker 4: No.
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  Speaker 13: And I also don't think, I mean, we'll see if
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  Speaker 13: he can abide by the conditions that they put on
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  Speaker 13: him because he does not seem to be the type
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  Speaker 13: of person who can stay quiet. He seems to always,
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  Speaker 13: you know, at the most inopportune times, feel like he
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  Speaker 13: needs to give his side of the story. It is
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  Speaker 13: absolutely bizarre. And I think that is why he is
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  Speaker 13: in this position in the first place.
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  Speaker 2: Guys, in the midst of all of this, we are
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  Speaker 2: learning that, J.P.
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  Speaker 1: Miller reportedly already has a girlfriend.
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  Speaker 10: Listen.
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  Speaker 8: Myrtle Beach, South Carolina is buzzing with rumors that Pastor
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  Speaker 8: John Paul Miller is dating again and has possibly even remarried.
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  Speaker 8: Miller was previously seen out to dinner with a member
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  Speaker 8: of his congregation just four days after Micah Miller's suicide.
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  Speaker 8: Less than 24 hours after his home is raided by
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  Speaker 8: the FBI, Miller is seen with the same woman having
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  Speaker 8: lunch at McAllister's Deli. This time, the pair kept their
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  Speaker 8: distance and appeared tense when entering and leaving the restaurant.
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  Speaker 9: Claiming he's still wearing the ring he wed Micah with.
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  Speaker 9: Miller laughed off reporters' questions about his love life, saying he's, quote,
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  Speaker 9: still dealing with Micah.
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  Speaker 2: Still dealing with Micah?
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  Speaker 1: His wife is dead, and he refers to that as
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  Speaker 1: still dealing with Micah? You know, joining me is a well-known,
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  Speaker 1: a veteran law enforcement detective, owner, and chief investigator for
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  Speaker 1: Berry and Associates Investigation Services, Barry Hutchinson.
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  Speaker 2: Is joining us.
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  Speaker 1: You can find him online at pibarry.com. Barry, this thing
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  Speaker 1: stinks to high heaven. I mean, Barry, this guy, Pastor Miller,
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  Speaker 1: immediately has a girlfriend after Micah's apparent suicide. And when
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  Speaker 1: asked about it, he says, I'm still dealing with Micah.
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  Speaker 2: That's not a good look. No, it's not a crime.
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  Speaker 2: But it sure doesn't look good when you're in the
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  Speaker 2: middle of a grand jury probe.
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  Speaker 14: You know, you made the comment of jumping out of
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  Speaker 14: a frying pan into the fire. I want to add
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  Speaker 14: something to that. Not only are you doing that, but
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  Speaker 14: you're doing it in gas-soaked underwear. You know, this guy,
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  Speaker 14: he's as dirty as they can get.
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  Speaker 15: I agree with you a thousand percent. The guy, he's dirty.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, there's something wrong with this entire situation. I
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  Speaker 15: can't say what I actually want to say about him,
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  Speaker 15: but it's not a good situation. I'll just leave it
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  Speaker 15: at that.
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  Speaker 1: Straight back out to Lauren Conlon joining us. Lauren, the
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  Speaker 1: woman at issue, okay, the one that he's having lunch with,
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  Speaker 1: he's been spotted around town with her very soon after
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  Speaker 1: Micah's suicide.
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  Speaker 2: Now, question, where exactly were they seen most recently?
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  Speaker 16: It was at a restaurant a few days after Micah's
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  Speaker 16: death that they were first seen by the public. And
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  Speaker 16: then the day that JP's house got raided by the FBI,
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  Speaker 16: they were seen having lunch.
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  Speaker 2: Let me be clear.
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  Speaker 1: We cannot prove in any way that these two are
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  Speaker 1: having an affair. For all I know, they're bonding over
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  Speaker 1: their respective spouses committing suicide.
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  Speaker 2: We don't know that.
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  Speaker 1: But what I do know is that Solid Rock Church
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  Speaker 1: appears to be over.
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  Speaker 4: Listen.
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  Speaker 9: It appears Pastor John Paul Miller and other staff members
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  Speaker 9: are emptying Solid Rock Church, likely due to the scrutiny
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  Speaker 9: the organization is under while Miller faces accusations that he
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  Speaker 9: drove his wife Micah to suicide. Miller's Faith First School
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  Speaker 9: is also cleared, with staff posting online that members of
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  Speaker 9: the congregation are welcome to anything they want.
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  Speaker 17: Did he just.
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  Speaker 10: Say he's going to see Jesus and ants.
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  Speaker 17: Are biting me?
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  Speaker 3: That is from Ty Longerbeam on Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Longerbeam, I don't know what to say other than
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  Speaker 1: credibility at trial is, it's a beautiful and delicate thing.
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  Speaker 1: What will a federal jury think when they see Micah Miller,
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  Speaker 1: the pastor's wife, husband pastor, John Paul Miller, and his
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  Speaker 1: master class, at tantrum throwing, like a toddler. Face down,
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  Speaker 1: tummy down in the grass. Let's see some more.
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  Speaker 17: Is your medication something.
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  Speaker 10: They gave you?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 9: You want me to make sure Mark's coming?
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  Speaker 17: But somebody's called him, right?
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  Speaker 3: He was running across the street going.
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  Speaker 4: Okay. All right.
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  Speaker 16: Hey, JP.
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  Speaker 1: Hey.
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  Speaker 17: I think Mark is coming.
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  Speaker 4: Mm-hmm.
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  Speaker 17: I had him try to get in touch with me
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  Speaker 17: again to make sure.
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  Speaker 7: Is that okay?
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  Speaker 18: You don't want to get hit?
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  Speaker 1: Huh?
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  Speaker 10: Don't let the ants fight me.
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  Speaker 3: There's ants all over me.
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  Speaker 17: He was like, there's ants on you?
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  Speaker 3: There's ants all over me.
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  Speaker 17: There's no ants on you, though. It's just, you know,
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  Speaker 17: maybe that's how you feel, but there's none on you.
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  Speaker 17: There's none on the grass.
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to see Jesus. I'm going to see Jesus.
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  Speaker 17: What kind of medicine do they have you on?
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to see my drug.
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to keep it with me because I need it.
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  Speaker 17: All right, well, somebody's going to come, okay? Do I
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  Speaker 17: need to call 911? Do I need to call the medics?
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no. I just need to get
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  Speaker 3: to Jesus. I just need to get to Jesus. I
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  Speaker 3: just want to get to heaven quickly. I don't want
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  Speaker 3: any ants to steal me. Miller, you're not going to
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  Speaker 3: Jesus yet, if ever.
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  Speaker 1: You got a little federal trial coming up on two
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  Speaker 1: felony counts of cyberstalking? All this business about, I just
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  Speaker 1: want to get to heaven quickly, right now.
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  Speaker 2: Uh-uh.
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  Speaker 1: You can go wherever the Lord sends you after a
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  Speaker 1: little pit stop in federal court.
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  Speaker 2: Straight out to Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall joining us. Renowned psychoanalyst. You can see her
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  Speaker 1: on Bravo, on Hulu, on Peacock. She's a star of
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  Speaker 1: a brand new podcast, On the Couch with Dr. Bethany Marshall.
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  Speaker 4: Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Bethany.
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  Speaker 1: In the midst of all of that, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what that can be. It's more than whining at certain points.
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  Speaker 1: It's so high-pitched, only dogs can hear it. But did
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  Speaker 1: you notice he is answering coherently to all of the
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  Speaker 1: questions posed to him? And by the way, that.
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  Speaker 2: Is from Facebook.
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Longerbeam on Facebook. I've watched it, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe 100 times.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm hoping....
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  Speaker 2: Hoping against the hope.
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  Speaker 1: He takes the stand in his own defense so this
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  Speaker 1: can be played because he keeps saying, I didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Really? Methinks thou doth protest too much. Nobody said you
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  Speaker 1: did do anything. So what is it you're talking about
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't do? I've got to hear your analysis.
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  Speaker 1: And while Dr. Bethany's talking, could we please roll that
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  Speaker 1: on mute with the transcription?
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hit it, Bethany.
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  Speaker 19: You know, it's a mixture of histrionics, being hysterical, childlike whining.
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  Speaker 19: There could be a lot of guilt about whatever role
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  Speaker 19: he may have played, especially if he was domineering and toxic.
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  Speaker 19: We know now with the Netflix special that just came out,
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  Speaker 19: The Pastor's Wife, that he forced her to have sex
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  Speaker 19: four times a day, saying that if she didn't do it,
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  Speaker 19: he would be tempted to stray or wander and be
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  Speaker 19: with other women.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you know what?
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  Speaker 1: Did you just say, what did you say about sex
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  Speaker 1: four times a day?
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  Speaker 19: It came out in the recent Netflix special, The Pastor's Wife.
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  Speaker 19: Her friends were told by her that he forced her
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  Speaker 19: to have sex four times a day, telling her that
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  Speaker 19: if she did not, if she failed to comply, lust
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  Speaker 19: would overtake him and he would be threatened to stray.
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  Speaker 2: So when I look at this.
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  Speaker 1: Sex with the guy laying face down in the grass
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  Speaker 1: crying him?
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  Speaker 4: Yes.
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  Speaker 20: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. That guy?
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  Speaker 2: That guy.
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  Speaker 1: Please don't make me think about that tonight. Let's move
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  Speaker 1: off his four times a day sex demand to Micah Miller.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead.
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  Speaker 19: Well, you know, somebody who exerts that much power in
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  Speaker 19: their interpersonal relationship, and then they could be in a
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  Speaker 19: situation now where they're under intense scrutiny. That could cause
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  Speaker 19: him to either really decompensate.
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  Speaker 13: Fall apart, or.
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  Speaker 19: to act like a hysterical child thinking that he's throwing
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  Speaker 19: people off the path, off the scent, and that he
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  Speaker 19: bears no responsibility at all for anything that's happened because
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  Speaker 19: he's just a helpless, out-of-control person after all.
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  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, who is the witness and what role do
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  Speaker 1: they play in the investigation into her suicide?
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  Speaker 9: Johnny Jacobs was fishing in Lumber River State Park, said
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  Speaker 9: he heard someone crying. Now, remember, police were doing a
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  Speaker 9: welfare check on Micah Miller because of her calling 911
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  Speaker 9: with her location. Well, Johnny was fishing and heard a
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  Speaker 9: woman crying, and then he heard a gunshot. So when investigators,
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  Speaker 9: when police showed up to do the welfare check on Micah,
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  Speaker 9: It was Johnny Jacobs who approached the police and said, hey,
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  Speaker 9: I've got, here's what I heard, here's what I saw,
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  Speaker 9: and here's her bag. You know, here's her stuff. He
• 20:43
  Speaker 9: found some of Micah's belongings next to the water.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Dave Mack, that witness, Johnny Jacobs, now takes on an
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: even more critical role because of an alleged enhancement of
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: the 911 call. Claims now being made that you can
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: hear someone whispering back and forth with Michael Miller just
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: before the trigger is pulled. Let's listen to the 911
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: call unenhanced. Robinson County 911, what's the address of your emergency?
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  Speaker 7: Hi, are you able to trace the location of my phone?
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: Let me see.
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  Speaker 19: You don't know where you're at?
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  Speaker 7: A national park.
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  Speaker 21: Where's the park located at?
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: In Fair Bluff. I have my location on, I think,
• 21:43
  Speaker 7: on my phone. I find my phone is on. I
• 21:46
  Speaker 7: just did my share of my location.
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  Speaker 17: Yeah, the Lumber River State Park.
• 21:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, that's where I am.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: You know, you would think that the 911 operator would
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: try to talk her out of shooting herself, but that's
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: really not what happened at all. That said, listen to
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: this enhancement. What, if anything, does it reveal?
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  Speaker 18: Where's the park located at?
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  Speaker 20: In Fairblocks?
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  Speaker 2: I think I just heard it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 18: Hold on.
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: That is Nat Cash on TikTok to Claudia King joining us,
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: former law enforcement, domestic violence expert and host of No
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: Contest podcast and Strong Enough podcast.
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: She's a star of both.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Claudia, thank you for being with us. If there is
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: whispering by someone else in the background of that 911 call,
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: that changes everything.
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  Speaker 22: It absolutely would change everything, Nancy, if there really is
• 23:20
  Speaker 22: whispering there. And it's just not clear at all, even
• 23:24
  Speaker 22: from what we just heard. So I think sometimes when
• 23:28
  Speaker 22: you have a case like this, we really want the
• 23:31
  Speaker 22: answer to be. And when we want that to happen,
• 23:35
  Speaker 22: we can start to think that we hear certain things
• 23:38
  Speaker 22: or see certain things that may not actually be there.
• 23:42
  Speaker 21: What happened last? At Lumber River State Park, as far
• 23:46
  Speaker 21: as the fishermen and what he found and pretty much
• 23:51
  Speaker 21: the lack of an investigation, the circumstances at the river
• 23:55
  Speaker 21: brought up a lot of questions. With, you know, her,
• 24:00
  Speaker 21: the ammunition, the position of the weapon in the body
• 24:03
  Speaker 21: and all that, it didn't make sense.
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  Speaker 11: We just want the truth. We want justice for her.
• 24:10
  Speaker 11: And we just We want there to be accountability.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: That from WPDE ABC 15. Joining us tonight, special guest
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: Regina Ward, who was featured in the Netflix documentary, and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: she was the attorney for Micah Miller. In light of
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: so many moving parts in this, those protests ongoing at
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: his new church, Regina, what does the family have to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: say about what happened at Lumber River State Park?
• 24:45
  Speaker 18: Well, you know, I haven't been provided any specific statement
• 24:50
  Speaker 18: that they would like me to relay, but I think
• 24:52
  Speaker 18: it's pretty common knowledge that they have questions just like
• 24:56
  Speaker 18: the rest of us do. You know, things don't add up.
• 24:59
  Speaker 18: The investigation, like in my opinion, was approached inappropriately. They
• 25:04
  Speaker 18: went into it like it definitely was an unaliving when
• 25:08
  Speaker 18: they should have approached it as a crime scene. When
• 25:10
  Speaker 18: you have a gun and a body and someone's saying,
• 25:13
  Speaker 18: I found something, that's despite what that 911 call sounded like,
• 25:18
  Speaker 18: they needed to approach that as a crime scene and
• 25:21
  Speaker 18: investigate it as a crime scene, collect the evidence, take
• 25:24
  Speaker 18: the photographs, do the measurements, and all of that kind
• 25:27
  Speaker 18: of thing, and questioning everything and everybody that was in
• 25:31
  Speaker 18: that park. And that just never happened. So it just
• 25:35
  Speaker 18: doesn't pass the smell test, in my opinion, and in
• 25:39
  Speaker 18: the opinion of everybody else, too. There's just too many
• 25:41
  Speaker 18: things that don't add up. And specifically for me, as
• 25:45
  Speaker 18: Michael's disposition, we were preparing for court to go to
• 25:48
  Speaker 18: court on her case. And she had already, you know,
• 25:52
  Speaker 18: she had a firm decision that she was finished with
• 25:55
  Speaker 18: that marriage. She had reconnected with friends. Her family was
• 25:58
  Speaker 18: back in her life. She had a different place to live.
• 26:01
  Speaker 18: She had her own car. She had removed and separated
• 26:04
  Speaker 18: herself from John Paul Miller as much as she could
• 26:07
  Speaker 18: until we could get into court. So it just didn't
• 26:10
  Speaker 18: make any sense to me at all what happened. So,
• 26:13
  Speaker 18: you know, even I as her attorney, I have too
• 26:16
  Speaker 18: many questions about it myself.
• 26:18
  Speaker 23: Even an earthly spouse who's a good spouse, when they
• 26:22
  Speaker 23: know that their bride is being hurt, just imagine what
• 26:27
  Speaker 23: an earthly spouse does. What do you think your heavenly
• 26:32
  Speaker 23: spouse does when you're the bride of Christ and he
• 26:34
  Speaker 23: sees his bride going through abuse and hurt.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Now, interesting that in this case, Dr.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Gorniak, her own family says that she feared for her life,
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that she would never make it through the divorce alive.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Those are Micah's words, not mine. We have precedent in
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: the U.S. regarding those individuals that drive someone, obviously, probatively
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: drive someone to suicide like Michelle Carter.
• 27:06
  Speaker 9: Conrad Roy and Michelle Carter connect over both being diagnosed
• 27:09
  Speaker 9: with depression, and when Roy tells Carter he wants to
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: kill himself, she encourages him to do it. Deciding to
• 27:15
  Speaker 9: use a generator in his truck and die by carbon monoxide,
• 27:18
  Speaker 9: Michelle Carter helps him decide on where to park his
• 27:20
  Speaker 9: truck so he could die. As carbon monoxide begins to
• 27:23
  Speaker 9: fill his truck cabin, Conrad Roy III gets out. Texting
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: Michelle Carter, he'll do it another day. Carter texts Roy
• 27:30
  Speaker 9: are challenging, telling him he overthinks things. Carter texts Roy,
• 27:34
  Speaker 9: You just said you were going to do it tonight,
• 27:36
  Speaker 9: and now you're saying eventually? Carter tells Roy to get
• 27:39
  Speaker 9: back in the truck. Authorities discover the body of Conrad
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: Roy III in his pickup truck parked outside a Kmart
• 27:45
  Speaker 9: in Fairhaven, Massachusetts the next day. He was 18.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: She was prosecuted for driving her very young and inexperienced boyfriend.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: To suicide.
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: If you had seen the text that she sent him,
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: just do it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: What are you waiting for? Are you going to do it? Well,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: he did it. And now he's dead and she went
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: to jail.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Meaning argue that Pastor Miller drove his wife to suicide.
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 28:11
  Speaker 9: Micah Miller's best friend remembers being dragged into one of
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: many marital fights instigated by loving husband, Pastor John Paul Miller.
• 28:19
  Speaker 9: Charlotte Korn finds herself in a group text with the
• 28:22
  Speaker 9: couple after Miller presses Micah on an odd question.
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: Okay, baiting, baiting her. But this is what happened. Talk
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: about a head game.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: Listen.
• 28:31
  Speaker 9: Miller continues on this tirade, spiraling into a huge fight.
• 28:35
  Speaker 9: Micah leaves to cool off. And that's when Miller threatens
• 28:38
  Speaker 9: to follow Micah to her sister's home while armed and
• 28:41
  Speaker 9: donate all of Micah's belongings if she doesn't return home immediately.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand something, Regina Ward.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: This is just one of the many mind games Pastor
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: Miller reportedly, I'm sure he would deny all of this
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: if he were to join us, which he declined.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Regina Ward baiting her and then he turned it around
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: on her.
• 29:03
  Speaker 18: Yes, that's a classic tactic control, a classic tactic of
• 29:09
  Speaker 18: a control course of control person.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: They're always baiting, pushing, pushing.
• 29:14
  Speaker 18: Trying to put ideas in your head to make you
• 29:16
  Speaker 18: feel crazy, to get you to come in to their
• 29:21
  Speaker 18: little snare so then they can whip it around on you.
• 29:23
  Speaker 18: It's a coercive control tactic that's used quite frequently. And
• 29:27
  Speaker 18: based on the evidence that I have that Micah left
• 29:30
  Speaker 18: with me and the history of Mr. Miller, this was
• 29:33
  Speaker 18: nothing unusual. It wasn't the first time and probably wasn't
• 29:36
  Speaker 18: the last time. And I wouldn't be surprised if he
• 29:39
  Speaker 18: used the same type of tactics on her on the
• 29:41
  Speaker 18: day that she passed.
• 29:46
  Speaker 12: The grand jury charges from November 16, 2022, until Micah's
• 29:50
  Speaker 12: death on April 27, 2024, 528 days, Miller harassed Micah.
• 29:57
  Speaker 12: Count One claims Miller threatened to use nude videos and
• 30:00
  Speaker 12: photos of Micah to harass, posted a nude photo of
• 30:03
  Speaker 12: Micah online without her consent, placed tracking devices on vehicles
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: used by Micah, placed Micah under surveillance with intent to kill, injure, harass,
• 30:12
  Speaker 12: or intimidate, damage Micah's vehicle, and interfered with Micah's finances.
• 30:17
  Speaker 12: He also interfered with Micah's daily activities.
• 30:20
  Speaker 6: John Paul Miller sent or caused to be sent unwanted
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: and harassing electronic communications to her, used or threatened to
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: use nude videos and photographs of her, posted a nude
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: photo of her online without her consent, placed or caused
• 30:35
  Speaker 6: to be placed a tracking device on her vehicle with
• 30:38
  Speaker 6: the intent to harass and surveil her. And he interfered
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: with her finances, banking, and interfered with her daily activities.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: There's another felony count, but let's address count one. Jennifer
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Wood joining us, journalist, director of ResearchFitsNews.com on the case
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: from the beginning. Jennifer Wood, again, thank you for being
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: with us tonight. Explain to me how the naked photo
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of Micah Miller ended up on the internet.
• 31:07
  Speaker 13: He was using them as leverage and posting them on Facebook.
• 31:12
  Speaker 13: You know, he is known to use fake accounts and
• 31:15
  Speaker 13: just a continuation of the ongoing harassment that she faced.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure this out. So, Sidney Sumner
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: Sidney, he posted.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: Naked photos of his own wife in retaliation for what?
• 31:36
  Speaker 20: It's unclear what this was in retaliation for, but he
• 31:40
  Speaker 20: apologized and told her he was just trying to hurt her.
• 31:44
  Speaker 20: And this photo was posted to a Facebook group called
• 31:48
  Speaker 20: Big Boobs and Nice Curves. When Micah tried to do
• 31:53
  Speaker 20: something about it, it was posted anonymously, and police said
• 31:56
  Speaker 20: there was nothing they could do. But John Paul Miller
• 32:00
  Speaker 20: told her, I'm sorry for doing this. I just wanted
• 32:03
  Speaker 20: to hurt you. It was evil of me to do that.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, Regina Ward, that's complete BS on John Paul Miller's
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: part and of local authorities.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: I'm just putting it out there.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: Everyone knows about IP addresses, Internet Provider Addresses. We can
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: track terrorists far, far away in the stands, Afghanistan and
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: all the stands on the other side of the world
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: through their IP address. That's why they're always creating new
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: email accounts to send surreptitious missives. You have to go
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: to internet cafes. You have to go to wherever the
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: email's coming from to find them. By then, they've already
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: shut down there and gone somewhere else.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: But that's easily tracked. That sending of her naked.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Body photo would be easily tracked. Why did local authorities say, oh, well,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: it was sent anonymously?
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: There is no such thing.
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: If I can track a terror group hiding out somewhere
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: in Egypt.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: or up in the hills in Pakistan?
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: I can catch John Paul Miller hunched over his computer
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: in his basement.
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: Please. That's right.
• 33:24
  Speaker 18: But we have a big problem here in the state
• 33:26
  Speaker 18: of South Carolina. We do not have, and I'm not sure,
• 33:30
  Speaker 18: but I think I saw where South Carolina is the
• 33:34
  Speaker 18: only state in the U.S. that does not have, I
• 33:38
  Speaker 18: hate calling it this, but it's what people refer to
• 33:40
  Speaker 18: it as revenge porn. Obviously, that's not what it is,
• 33:44
  Speaker 18: but that's what it's called. In the state of South Carolina,
• 33:47
  Speaker 18: the way the law works here is if the recipient
• 33:51
  Speaker 18: is offended by the receipt of it, but if you
• 33:56
  Speaker 18: send the photo to someone, then it becomes their property
• 33:59
  Speaker 18: and he can upload that. So as far as finding
• 34:02
  Speaker 18: out where it came from, that would require getting into
• 34:05
  Speaker 18: his computer. That would require a warrant. But we didn't
• 34:09
  Speaker 18: have a law here in South Carolina against that, about
• 34:15
  Speaker 18: sending that.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: So you're correct.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Regina,
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: didn't you have cyberstalking, cyberstalking law?
• 34:27
  Speaker 18: There is a cyberstalking law, yes. But whenever it comes
• 34:30
  Speaker 18: to nude photos and things like that, The way the
• 34:37
  Speaker 18: law works here, and I'm sorry I don't have it
• 34:39
  Speaker 18: in front of me right now because I looked into
• 34:41
  Speaker 18: this in the beginning, and that is the law in
• 34:44
  Speaker 18: South Carolina says that if the recipient of a photograph
• 34:50
  Speaker 18: like that is offended by it, then that's a form
• 34:53
  Speaker 18: of harassment. But if you send a photo and give
• 34:57
  Speaker 18: it to someone, then it becomes theirs to do what
• 34:59
  Speaker 18: they want to with. And I think I'm pretty sure
• 35:03
  Speaker 18: that South Carolina is the only state in the U.S.
• 35:06
  Speaker 18: that does not have a law specifically to the dissemination
• 35:09
  Speaker 18: of it.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I find that really hard to believe that you take
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: a naked photo of someone and you post it to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: a Facebook group and yet you've done nothing wrong in
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: South Carolina.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And I mean, it's pretty obvious to me that she
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: could tell L.E.
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: Law enforcement who took the photo and who has control
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: over the photo. If she's complaining to the police about it,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: obviously she didn't send it. So who else had power
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: and control over the photo? Him, John Paul Miller. So
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: explain to me, Jennifer Wood, journalist, director of research, Fitznews.com. Jennifer,
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: what is your understanding of why local authorities sat on
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: their thumbs and did nothing? And the feds, who we
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: begged for weeks and weeks and weeks, please step in,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: and they did.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: Why didn't local do anything?
• 36:00
  Speaker 13: Looking at the numerous reports that Micah filed in the
• 36:03
  Speaker 13: months leading up to her death, they didn't do anything
• 36:07
  Speaker 13: on any of the allegations that she was making. I mean,
• 36:11
  Speaker 13: she called and reported that the tire deflation device had
• 36:14
  Speaker 13: been on her car. They found tracking devices on their car.
• 36:18
  Speaker 13: And other than telling him to knock it off, That
• 36:22
  Speaker 13: is as far as it went.
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: You know, sometimes it just seems like a shame that
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: we know so much that the jury will never know.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: And reminder, John Paul Miller is innocent until proven guilty
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: at trial. If you know or think you know anything
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: about this case, including the upcoming federal trial, Please dial
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: the feds.
• 36:52
  Speaker 11: 803-551-4200.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: Repeat. 803-551-4200. Our prayers and our thoughts go to those
• 36:54
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• 36:57
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• 36:59
  Speaker 1: others instead of down the stairs. to breathe in the
• 37:20
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• 37:26
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• 37:32
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• 37:50
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• 37:54
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• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace signing off, but I'll see you tomorrow night.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: And until then, good night, friend.