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Colin Cowherd Podcast - Caleb Williams Injured, Chargers Have BIG Problems, Broncos Comeback Win, Purdy Was Perfect · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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  Speaker 1: The Volume.
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  Speaker 2: All right, former NFL scout John Middlecoff is joining us
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  Speaker 2: on a weird, weird, and at times sad Sunday. Let's start.
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  Speaker 2: Vikings 9, Bears 3. The Vikings, four sacks, are the
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  Speaker 2: lone unbeaten team in the NFC North. They were picked
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  Speaker 2: for fourth. I said before the season, if they finish
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  Speaker 2: first or fourth, I wouldn't be surprised with either. Brian Flores,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it was a 6-3 game at half, Minnesota.
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  Speaker 2: So this was one of my Blazing Five picks. I
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  Speaker 2: had a great day today on Blazing Five. But it
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  Speaker 2: was one of my picks because Brian Flores– flummoxes. He
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  Speaker 2: is now the defensive coordinator nobody wants to face. But
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  Speaker 2: the bigger story, this was the most promising Bears offense
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  Speaker 2: in the history of their franchise. And Caleb Williams looked
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  Speaker 2: like he was going to run in for a touchdown,
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  Speaker 2: comes up, slides, writhing in pain. You cross your fingers
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  Speaker 2: that it's just a hamstring. If it's an ACL season
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  Speaker 2: over hamstring injury, Those can be six to eight weeks.
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  Speaker 2: Pro athletes heal very quickly. I mean, you're just kind
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  Speaker 2: of take on just the devastation for Chicago.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it was a really sloppy game even
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  Speaker 1: before he went out, right? I mean, the Bears did
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  Speaker 1: not look good coming off 59 points. He had the
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  Speaker 1: one interception where he threw back across his body over
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  Speaker 1: the middle of the field. You know, a lot of
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  Speaker 1: the talk leading up all week was Ben Johnson kind
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  Speaker 1: of gets in his own head against Flores. Flores got
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  Speaker 1: guys coming from every single angle. But when he goes down,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, the first thing I thought is Achilles, and
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  Speaker 1: then they show him in tears being carted back to
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  Speaker 1: the locker room. You're just thinking, players know. So when
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  Speaker 1: it comes out that it's a hamstring, there's a big
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  Speaker 1: difference between a pulled hamstring and doing something like ripping
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  Speaker 1: it off the bone or something really bad to get
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  Speaker 1: the guy to cry. Now, Caleb's been pretty durable. You
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  Speaker 1: followed his career since high school.
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  Speaker 2: Never gets hurt, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Not a guy that gets hurt, so maybe you feel
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  Speaker 1: something that you're not used to feeling and you freak out.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, that happens a lot in the NFL. Right.
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  Speaker 1: Guys go down and then all of a sudden, you know,
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  Speaker 1: he's out for the he's out for the season and
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  Speaker 1: he's back in the game a couple series later. So
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  Speaker 1: some guys that aren't used to being injured, I think,
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  Speaker 1: can maybe get in their own head about it. Because
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  Speaker 1: when you see the tears coming down his face. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think everyone's thinking he's just done for the year.
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  Speaker 1: Tyson Badgett, you know, I think had a chance on
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  Speaker 1: that final drive. Yeah. To lose and score, what was
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  Speaker 1: the final score? Nine to six or nine to three?
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  Speaker 2: Nine to three. First of all, the Bears had a
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  Speaker 2: fumble at the two. The Bears had too many offensive penalties,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of operational stuff. So, I mean, it was,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Chicago didn't look well. But again, Minnesota put
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  Speaker 2: so much pressure on you. They blitzed at a 70% rate.
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  Speaker 2: And so, listen, and Caleb's still a young player. I mean, so.
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  Speaker 2: Blitzes are hard to pick up unless you're Patrick Mahomes
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  Speaker 2: and you've seen every play. So, listen, you cross your
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  Speaker 2: fingers on this stuff. You know, it's the best division
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  Speaker 2: in football. And Minnesota, there's an argument they have the best.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, between Andy Reid and Spags and Kevin O'Connell
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  Speaker 2: and Brian Flores, those may be the two best, you know,
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  Speaker 2: coaching combos in the league so it they're a tough
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  Speaker 2: out I mean there's not a lot we can say
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  Speaker 2: you just cross your finger and listen a lot of
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  Speaker 2: injury Jaden Daniels got hurt today but Jaden Daniels doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have the national prestige DC doesn't play like Chicago Chicago
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  Speaker 2: is such a blue blood you know there's so many
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  Speaker 2: big rivalries in the NFL and but none bigger than
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  Speaker 2: Chicago and Green Bay and Chicago and Minnesota those NFC
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  Speaker 2: North games are just you know they're legacy games So
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  Speaker 2: it hurts the league. By the way, ratings first week
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  Speaker 2: were down 13%. I think some of that, like today,
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  Speaker 2: the red zone early window was awful. The football was
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  Speaker 2: just awful. But there's not a lot you can say
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  Speaker 2: other than you cross your fingers because the Chicago Bears
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  Speaker 2: being good, it's an interesting story. And it's a heartbreaker.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm going to go to the second game of
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  Speaker 2: the day of note. New England beats the Steelers 20-3.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers took multiple shots. Through two games, the Steelers
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  Speaker 2: were averaging 3.8 yards of play. Today, they had seven punts.
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  Speaker 2: DK Metcalf looks like a shell of himself two years ago. Boy,
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  Speaker 2: when John Snyder moved off him, traded him to Pittsburgh,
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: you're like, we didn't know at the time, John. It's like,
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  Speaker 2: is JSN a one? JSN today, three touchdowns. He's unguardable.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, literally nobody in the league can guard him.
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  Speaker 2: DK looks like he's totally shot. Aaron Rodgers had a
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  Speaker 2: 60 passer rating yesterday. You know, it's a little bit
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  Speaker 2: like Favre. If you go to Favre's last season, if
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  Speaker 2: you remember it, he got old really, really fast. He
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  Speaker 2: fell off a cliff. I kind of feel watching Aaron
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  Speaker 2: the last two weeks like, this is not a great
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  Speaker 2: offensive line. They don't have a great run game. Boy,
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  Speaker 2: it feels like John through two weeks. This is the
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  Speaker 2: early part of the season. It just doesn't feel good.
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  Speaker 1: That offense feels like it's stuck in concrete the last
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  Speaker 1: two weeks. They're a tough watch, Colin. I mean, their
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  Speaker 1: defense is actually playing pretty well, giving them a chance.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, TJ Watts looked young. Without them, they have been–
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  Speaker 1: it was ugly today. I mean, he was getting peppered.
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  Speaker 1: He got hit a couple times. The one, the blindside hit.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, is this going to end his day? But,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he kept staying in there. These last couple years, like,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what Aaron is trying to prove. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: his team, I know he loves DK Metcalf, but DK
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  Speaker 1: Metcalf through the first two weeks has been a disaster,
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  Speaker 1: an absolute disaster. I said at the time when they
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  Speaker 1: traded for him and paid him a bunch of money,
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, you're going to trade with John Schneider for
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  Speaker 1: a guy that he drafted and already extended? and then
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  Speaker 1: go all in like he's a No. 1 wide receiver,
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  Speaker 1: which is not really his deal. He doesn't catch the ball.
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  Speaker 1: His hands are pretty hit or miss. He's not as
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  Speaker 1: dynamic anymore as he used to be with the size
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  Speaker 1: and the speed. They cannot run the ball. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: they're anemic running the ball. I mean, it's– remember, once
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  Speaker 1: upon a time, Bruce Arians got fired– from the Rooney's
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  Speaker 1: because he passed too much, even though they were lighting
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  Speaker 1: everyone up and competing to win the super bowl. They
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  Speaker 1: want that. What the Rooney family wants is a good
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  Speaker 1: defense and to run the ball. Well, McCarthy, if you
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  Speaker 1: go back his history, he likes passing the ball. He's
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  Speaker 1: a little more Arians than he is Kyle Shanahan, but man,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Rogers at this point in time, can't move.
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  Speaker 1: He even admitted it. I saw a podcast with him
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  Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, with a local Wisconsin guy.
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  Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, one thing I can't do that I
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  Speaker 1: could in Green Bay is I cannot move nearly as well.
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  Speaker 1: And it shows because even when he goes now to
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  Speaker 1: scramble outside the pocket, random defensive linemen hawk him with ease.
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  Speaker 1: And that used to be his superpower. That's what separated
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  Speaker 1: him from Brady and Manning just as a pure player
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  Speaker 1: is that scramble ability to throw. And that no longer exists.
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  Speaker 1: And then in the pocket, he's not throwing to Antonio
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  Speaker 1: Brown and Plaxton. Their receivers stink. I mean, he's forcing
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  Speaker 1: it to the rookie from Alabama a lot. I was
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  Speaker 1: high on them. High would be strong. But I was
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  Speaker 1: a believer in them coming in. I'm out. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: your offense can't. They got no chance. They're not going
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  Speaker 1: to implode, I don't think, but... That's tough, Colin. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: the Falcons, who stink. I don't blame you if you
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  Speaker 1: didn't watch much of that game today. I have Bryce
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  Speaker 1: Young and Fantasy, so I was paying attention. They're awful.
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  Speaker 1: They're going to be right there with the Miami Dolphins.
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  Speaker 2: If you took Drake London out, they don't have a
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  Speaker 2: receiving core. It's just a one-man team. They gave him
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  Speaker 2: a game, Colin. Oh, listen, I'm going to get to
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  Speaker 2: that later. But, you know, I think they make Aaron
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  Speaker 2: because they don't have a run game. Aaron had to
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  Speaker 2: throw 39 times. CJ Stroud threw like over 55 times.
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  Speaker 2: And he feels like he's mired in quicksand. So I
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  Speaker 2: think the reality, it's like Ben Affleck and J-Lo. When
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  Speaker 2: they got back together like Aaron and McCarthy, you're kind
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  Speaker 2: of excited. It's going to be kind of interesting. And
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  Speaker 2: after a few months, you're like, yeah, I know why
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  Speaker 2: Ben Affleck and J-Lo didn't work. You're like, yeah, I
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  Speaker 2: know where McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers didn't work. It sounded
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  Speaker 2: like the reunion was really going to be something special.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm watching this thing and I'm like, Aaron's got
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  Speaker 2: nothing left. And this is an organization that McCarthy's playing
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  Speaker 2: catch up because they've been inept offensively for seven years.
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  Speaker 2: So Mike's just trying to get him to league average offensively.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have the pieces.
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  Speaker 1: I think what really throws us off too is like
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  Speaker 1: in this world of modern medicine and caloric intake and training, Brady, LeBron,
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  Speaker 1: like those guys are outliers. Most guys aren't good. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Tom at Aaron's age was still really good at 42
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  Speaker 1: years old. But I watched the entire generation that he
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  Speaker 1: played against. Drew Brees was done before 40. Peyton Manning
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  Speaker 1: was done before 40. Roethlisberger was done two years before
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  Speaker 1: he was actually done. Because historically in football, guys were
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  Speaker 1: done at 35. So I think to think that you could–
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  Speaker 1: I mean, last year was really, really hard. Well, what
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  Speaker 1: do you think happens a year later? It only gets
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: worse physically because you decline at an exponential rate. That's
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  Speaker 1: the one thing in football. I guess it can happen
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  Speaker 1: in basketball, too, where athleticism is a big part of
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  Speaker 1: your game. Your athleticism at a certain point, you know,
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  Speaker 1: everyone's age is different, just has a precipitous drop off.
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  Speaker 1: And when you watch... Aaron, everything about his twitchiness, which
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  Speaker 1: was a huge plus, I mean, that release like Marino,
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  Speaker 1: his initial quickness, it's all gone. So you're like, what?
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  Speaker 1: The ball's coming out. Not that his arm strength's weaker,
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  Speaker 1: but it's just everything looks slower because he's moving slower.
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  Speaker 1: And they can't block. I mean, the Patriots looked incredible
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  Speaker 1: today on defense. They looked like the 85 Bears against him.
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  Speaker 2: The question, I think the Patriots offense, again, they won 20-3.
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  Speaker 1: It's off.
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  Speaker 2: Now, Drake May, again... I'm critical of Bo Nix last week.
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  Speaker 2: These guys are young. So Drake May came in. Remember,
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  Speaker 2: Bo Nix came in with 61 college starts. He had
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  Speaker 2: a lower ceiling, but he entered the league closer to
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  Speaker 2: the ceiling because Bo had played so many games. Drake
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  Speaker 2: May came in talented, but he was incredibly raw. He
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: had a terrible pick today. Like, he just makes bad
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  Speaker 2: throws regularly. But I also think Josh McDaniels, I mean,
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  Speaker 2: Travion Henderson had a huge– I mean, if you take
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  Speaker 2: him out of the run game, it really hurts this offense.
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  Speaker 2: I thought Travion Henderson being in today was like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: that's the energy they need. I think this is a
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  Speaker 2: team that's just going to get better. I think they
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  Speaker 2: have a very good head coach. They have a great OC.
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  Speaker 2: I like their defensive personnel. I think they've drafted pretty
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  Speaker 2: good on that side. But I look at New England
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  Speaker 2: as one of those teams that I like, but they're
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  Speaker 2: going to get better because they are mostly young. And
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  Speaker 2: I thought Drake May today, you got both sides of it.
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  Speaker 2: A couple of big-time throws. I think he was heady.
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  Speaker 2: He slid a couple times today. I still think Josh
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  Speaker 2: McDaniels doesn't quite know He and Brady, that marriage was
• 11:42
  Speaker 2: just symphonic. I still feel like they're kind of trying
• 11:45
  Speaker 2: to figure out, no, A.J. Brown today. So Travion Henderson
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  Speaker 2: comes back, they have no A.J. Brown. I still think
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  Speaker 2: New England's kind of trying to figure out what they
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  Speaker 2: are offensively.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Dobbs made some plays today that was good to
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  Speaker 1: see him bounce back. I think anytime you're a young player,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: I think you can get in your own head a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. I mean, last year, his deep ball, regardless
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  Speaker 1: of the competition, was like his point of difference. And
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  Speaker 1: his pick today, the deep ball, I think it was
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  Speaker 1: to Patrick Queen, it wasn't even close to the wide receiver.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it was like, I just think confidence and
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  Speaker 1: belief in yourself, how could it not dissipate a little
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  Speaker 1: bit after that week one game against Seattle? And you
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: watched Seattle today, too. I think people in Seattle will
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  Speaker 1: quietly tell you it's hard to say this out loud
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  Speaker 1: because they're such a historic defense team. but I think
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  Speaker 1: this defense, they feel is every bit as good as
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  Speaker 1: the Pete Carroll, especially given the rules and the era
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  Speaker 1: they play.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. The team speed, the, the one to 11, like
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  Speaker 1: they don't have a drop off. All their DBs can run.
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  Speaker 1: They're getting even worry back. Like that Seattle defense is
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  Speaker 1: pretty drew lock. Didn't even have to be as good
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  Speaker 1: as he was a day there. They could be, they
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  Speaker 1: could win 10 games with their eyes closed at quarterback
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  Speaker 1: where most teams could not. And I think, I think
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  Speaker 1: he kind of carried some of that in. He still
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  Speaker 1: feels a little lost to me when he kind of
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  Speaker 1: scrambles around to throw.
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  Speaker 2: Same.
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  Speaker 1: Like Jalen Hurts, for example. When he is playing well,
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  Speaker 1: that scramble to throw, that's his best play. And you
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  Speaker 1: feel pretty good when he moves to throw. Now, it
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  Speaker 1: doesn't always work, but that's his go-to play. With Drake,
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  Speaker 1: you thought it was coming into the season, and right
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  Speaker 1: now he's kind of moving and the ball leaves his hand.
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  Speaker 1: You're not as confident. Sometimes the guy's wide open, like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: great play. Because he did make a couple balls down
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  Speaker 1: the field to wide open guys, keep plays alive. But
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  Speaker 1: he had like a little Sam Levitt to him. You
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  Speaker 1: never quite knew what you were getting play to play,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like last night.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so this is really becoming the story of the
• 13:38
  Speaker 2: NFL in terms of, wow, Raiders got a safety at
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: the end, 26, Chargers 14. The Chargers are 0-2 in
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  Speaker 2: their next seven games at Buffalo, at Seattle, Denver, at
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: Kansas City, at the Rams, Houston, at Baltimore. They're in
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  Speaker 2: big trouble. And two things are true. Justin Herbert's not
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  Speaker 2: playing well, but also Jacoby Brissett, they couldn't get him
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  Speaker 2: off the field. Seattle totally shut him down at Arizona today.
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  Speaker 2: And Kirk Cousins made multiple throws. Cody White, a scout
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  Speaker 2: team wide receiver, had two touchdowns against the Chargers. Jesse
• 14:17
  Speaker 2: Mentor jettisons the Chargers, now the head coach of the Ravens, Like,
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  Speaker 2: it is a problem. I mean, John, I am watching
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  Speaker 2: them today. Keaton Mitchell and Marion Hampton, Hampton have a
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: bad fumble. They have a semblance of a running game.
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  Speaker 2: But Justin Herbert, listen, it's easy to go. Oh, Herbert's
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: getting married. He's dating a celebrity. He's distracted. I think
• 14:39
  Speaker 2: it's a convergence of things. I don't think their O-line's great.
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: Jesse Mentor's departure has been huge. When a scout team guy,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: you can't solve him. And I'm happy for Cody White.
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  Speaker 2: The kid, he made one of the catches. It was
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: a Vegas magic trick. That end zone catch, you're like,
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: how in the hell did he catch it? But they're cousins.
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  Speaker 2: Third down, big throws. Nothing is working for them. The
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: Mike McDonald mystery, I— Are they putting too much in
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: his plate? Is Mike McDonald, did he come in believing
• 15:13
  Speaker 2: the personnel offensively? I like Trey Harris. Quentin Johnson's a
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: nothing burger. Tied in their average. Running backs are good,
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  Speaker 2: nothing special. I mean, how do you explain this offense
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  Speaker 2: that they got their tackles back and everything else is regressed?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and even Joel didn't play well today. He was
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: kind of getting worked. I had a personnel guy tell
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  Speaker 1: me against the Arizona game, their guard, center guard, looked
• 15:35
  Speaker 1: like practice squad rejects. You know, like they watched the
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: film last week, practice squad rejects. Today, their offensive line
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  Speaker 1: kind of had a vibe like that. If you can't
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  Speaker 1: block inside in 2026, a lot of people have a
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: lot of good interior pass rushers. And then, okay, well,
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  Speaker 1: your tackles are good. Well, you're facing Max Crosby, who's,
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: let's face it, a little pissed off the way the
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: offseason went. He got, you know, declined on the trade.
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  Speaker 1: He's kind of showed up. you know, ready to prove it.
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  Speaker 1: It feels like he's trying to prove Baltimore wrong. But
• 16:05
  Speaker 1: did you hear the stat that Kirk Cousins is the
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  Speaker 1: first Raider quarterback to throw game one and two, three
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  Speaker 1: touchdowns in each game since Kenny Stabler? I mean, this is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you got to give Kubiak credit because I
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: think most franchises are, And this is probably where Brady,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: the owner's not on everybody. Like, we're not starting Mendoza.
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  Speaker 1: It's unheard of anymore to draft a guy one overall
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  Speaker 1: and not start him immediately. It's literally happened to every
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  Speaker 1: single guy, I think, for the last, like, seven or
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  Speaker 1: eight years, you know, that was drafted number one overall.
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  Speaker 1: and it's kind of letting everyone take a deep breath.
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: It feels like there's a little pressure off them. I
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  Speaker 1: thought they thoroughly outplayed them, just like Arizona did last week.
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: The Chargers right now stink. I mean, they are not
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: a good football team. It's like when you watch Tampa,
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: it's like something's off. You watch the Chargers, you're like,
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: something's off. And it's kind of like Pittsburgh. They feel
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: slow when you can't block Herbert's force and things. They're weapons.
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: You've talked about this for a long time with Jim Harbaugh,
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: and this goes back to Stanford through the 49ers.
• 17:08
  Speaker 2: Never had good receivers.
• 17:10
  Speaker 1: It's not his thing. He doesn't have a feel for it.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: And I'm not opposed to taking Joe Alt over Malik Davis.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: I'm all for that. But then he brings over Ortiz,
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: who's a high-level personnel guy, but where does he come from?
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Baltimore.
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: Who's their first-ever Pro Bowl wide receiver? Zay Flowers last year.
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: They never believed in it. So their core philosophies are like, well,
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: out-tough you. Well, I'm watching them right now. They're not
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: out-toughing anybody. I'm not the biggest old Marion Hampton guy.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: He had a couple hardcore runs today. Put it on
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: the ground again today in a big spot. And they're
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: like you said, wide receiver, your best wide receivers, a
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: little slot guy who's a good player, but outside they stink.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: Their defense is you have no, how about there was
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: a wide open guy that cousins like didn't quite, you know,
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: cousins arm probably pretty average at this point in time.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: Didn't step in. They got lucky. I feel like it
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: could have been worse. Just like last week. The score
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: does not reflect what you witnessed. I would say for
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: basically of the eight quarters of football, it feels like
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: they've gotten shoved around at least seven of them. And
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: part of Jim Harbaugh. You know, it's like John Harbaugh,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, Mike Vrabel. It's like part of their whole deal. Like,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: I'm a tough guy. Well, I watch Vrabel. Okay, his
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: team's tough.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: John Harbaugh's team's tough. Dan Campbell's team looks pretty soft
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: right now. Jim feels really soft. Well, what do you do? Like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: what does Jim know how to do? He can't. He's
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: not a scheme guy. That's Mike. And like, you know,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of Mike's success, you go back to the Niners,
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: you go early on with Miami.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Like Tyree kill and Jalen Waddle with the Niners. He
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: had Debo Samuel, George Kittle. I mean, they, you know,
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: they've had died. Raheem Mozart was an excellent running back,
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: you know, when they made the Superbowl. The personnel, to me,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: no explosive plays. Herbert presses doesn't look that good. And defensively,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: they don't scare a soul. I mean, last year they
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: won a lot of games kind of like the Patriots today. Yeah,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: a quarterback would be okay, but we're just going to
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: smother you and win this thing 17-9. They have no chance.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, when Kirk Cousins is slicing and dicing you
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: with practice squad guys, what do you have, one career
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: touchdown coming into the game, they said, and you had
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: two today? You've been in the league four years? I
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: just don't know what hardball. But I also don't want
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to hear, like, is hardball in the hot seat? Like,
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: this is Chargers. They're paying Jim a boatload of money,
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: his assistants a boatload of money. Like, he's the coach
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: for a while. But sometimes you can't coach yourself out
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: of personnel. Like, their personnel right now, the eye test
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: through two games, Colin, if you just watch the league,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: feels a little off, I would say, a little off
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals last few years would do anything for a defense.
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: Two games in, they appear to have one. They bought one.
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Through two games, the Bengals' defense has eight sacks, four
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: forced fumbles, and a touchdown. Cincy will look to continue
• 19:55
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• 21:04
  Speaker 2: so the Jags came into the game that, Denver today
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: with a nine-game regular season winning streak, and they controlled
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: the first two and a half to three quarters. But
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: Denver comes back to beat the Jags 20 to 13.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: This is what they did a lot last year with
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix. So in week one, I said, this can't
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: be what Bo Nix is. Everybody in this league falls
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: out of love very quickly with players. Bo Nix was
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: awful in week one. And he, in the second quarter,
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: he had a very nice drive. Bang, bang, bang. Then
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: he threw off his back foot, had an ugly end
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: zone pick. And I'm like, Sean Payton is going to
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: lose his mind with this. But in the second half,
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: he settled down. But I will say this. In week one, John,
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I think we both said this. Mark Schlerer said this
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: on FS1. Like, what are they trying to do? Will
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Jalen waddle today? Did you watch? 10 targets, 138 yards. Today,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: when you watch Denver, you could see we're going to
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: go with Jalen Waddell. We're going to intentionally get him
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the ball, throw it in his direction around a dozen times,
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: and it worked. This team has an elite coach, I
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: think really nice, Franklin Mims. Sutton, Jalen Waddell, Ingram. They
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: have really nice weapons, Joe. To me, that's top five
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: or six, you know, tight end, wide receiver talent. They
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: go very deep at wide receiver. I think they have
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a couple of running backs I like. They used a
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: backup running back today. He was sub plus. We know
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: they have a pass rush. Their corners today made three
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: or four huge plays on Trevor Lawrence throws. So I
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: thought this, I thought this was big. I thought they
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: took control of the game the last quarter and a half.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: I thought Bo Nix settled down. I just think, oh,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: they only had three points at half. I mean, this
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: was a problem last year where Bo could be really uneven.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: But I thought the second half, I said, okay, last
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: week's an outlier. This is what they're mostly going to be.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And I thought they played a very good second half.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Well, at one point in time at halftime, it kind
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: of felt like they're going to lose this thing like 24-6.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: They're just going to get boat raced. And we're going
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: to have to start asking, is Denver even any good?
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: And I know they're playing good teams. The Jags are
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: clearly pretty good, and they've got good personnel. But it
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: was really ugly. And when it was 13-3, he hadn't
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: played well at six quarters. I was thinking, like, this
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: thing is going to unravel fast there. And they have
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: this new young coordinator. What really bailed them out is
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Lawrence kind of matched Bo Nix with an awful pick.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: threw it right to the Denver DB.
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: He did.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: And then they went right down and scored and tied
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: the game. The momentum shifted. I don't want to say
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: their season was saved. It's only week two, but it
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: felt like it shifted the momentum of the early part
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: of it. I mean, their season was a train wreck
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: through six quarters.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: And Trevor has a lot of confidence against them. You
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: would say for whatever reason, this team from Jacksonville, all
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: these guys sucking air on the sideline, they showed up.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Liam Cohen's confident against Sean. It was like, God, they
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: just have their number. And that pick, and Trevor played excellent.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: You go back to the game last year, he was
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: good early in this game. I was like, geez, that pick,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: for whatever reason, the Jags never looked the same after.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: And Denver and Bo Nix found some momentum, drove them
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: right down the field. Their defense made some plays. But
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: I thought Brian Thomas Jr., he was horrendous today. Dropped balls,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: did not make plays. I forget who was calling the game.
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: They were crushing him on the, it was Shularith, I think.
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: I don't think it was Shularith, but they were just,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, he was not good.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: Well, Bo Nix in the fourth quarter, 8 for 10,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: 137 passer rating, 88 yards. This is what Caleb and
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: Bo did last year. Bo was a very good late-game quarterback, yeah.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And Ross Tucker's right. He has been a big disappointment.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: It just feels like it's not working. There are some
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: guys that mentally just– guys get into space where they
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: have drops. They lose confidence. You know, at wide receiver
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: and cornerback positions, you're on an island, John. Guys lose confidence.
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Guys fall– I mean, it's the reality of what it is.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: I'm impressed with Liam. I think Liam Cohen's pretty good.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, Brian Thomas, he's got nothing out of him.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: I mean, they obviously, I'm sure, regret the Travis Hunter move.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: They're very dependent on Parker Washington. They lose ETN this year.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: They're a well-coached good team. They're not a team going away.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, Denver should win this game at home, week two.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: They should win this game, especially coming off getting their
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: ass kicked last year. I came away, and I know
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: the Jags unraveled in the second half a little bit
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: after that pick, but Liam Cohen's the real deal. I'm impressed.
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to have a very, very good
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: chance to win that division. I mean, Houston's 0-2. We'll
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: see what happens to the Colts tonight. The Jags... They'd
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: probably still be my pick as we sit here today
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to win that division with Houston kind of in shambles.
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Okay. As Arizona dominates the Chargers in week one, they
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: go home. Seattle beats them 31-7. So, JSN is unguardable.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: He had three different touchdowns. He had the move of
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: the day as a wide receiver in the first quarter.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I know you saw it. I mean, it was just–
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I mean, the guy's route tree– He's got 68 branches.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: Third quarter, he had a leaping touchdown in the end zone.
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: Then he finished with a third. He is, to me,
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: he and Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, that's the three
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: best receivers to me in the NFL. And I will
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: say this. Drew Locke is interesting. So John Snyder brought
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: him back, John. You know that. They had Drew Locke.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: They let him go. They brought him back. And I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: may not love Drew Locke as a starter to build around,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: but as a backup, With that offensive line, that defense
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: and that culture and JSN, I thought he was steady.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I've always said, if you bring your
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: backup in and you can win half your games, your
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: starters should win 60 to 65% of your games if
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: you have a franchise guy. Can your backup win 45
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: to 50? If you lose him for four, can you
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: win twice? I'm not sure Sam Darnold wins 31 to
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: seven today. I thought Drew Locke was steady. Again, he
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: knows where to get the ball. I think he's grown up, John.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: I thought he was a little bit of a, you know,
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: he was a little bit of a JV personality. He
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: wasn't a grownup. He was kind of the cool guy.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Had a Jay Cutler thing or a Johnny Manziel thing.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Trying too hard to be cool. It's like, he's grown up.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: He's been humble. He's humble. He appears very grateful for
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: the opportunity. And I thought Drew today looked like the
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: kid you thought you were getting out of Missouri, where
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: he's got a good arm. He sees the field pretty well.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: He can move a little bit. I think he has
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: an above average arm. But for Seattle to go there
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: with a backup and kick the you-know-what out of an
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Arizona team that manhandled the Chargers, Seattle is the only
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: team in the league that's better on the road than
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: at home, and I can't explain it.
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: Well, he's already earned his salary this year. If not,
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: you know, he's underpaid because I give him like a
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: win and a half for the first game because he
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: wasn't the starter going in yet. He had to start
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: series two. So he, it's not like he got the
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: reps and today throw three touchdowns to me. If you
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: have a good team, your backup is so valuable because
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you could insert that guy. If he just plays solid
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: and he was better and solid today. Oh, he was
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: going to have a chance to, you were going to
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: have a chance to win a lot of games. And,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: He's no dummy. Hey, throw the ball to 11. Hey,
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: throw the ball to 11. Hey, throw it again to 11.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: I would say JSN, I don't even know, Jerry Rice,
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: like what's his comp? He is incredible.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: He's an unstoppable force, deep, intermediate, catching balls over the middle.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: There's really nothing he can't do. I mean, you know,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: what's funny is we talk forever about, remember, Belichick could
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: never draft a wide receiver, could never do it. Look
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: at Seattle. I mean, they get DK in the second round,
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: flip him, and then replace him with JSN. I mean,
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: their ability to have high-end guys. And today, you know,
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: this goes back to, like, Matt Jones last year. When
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you have a good coaching staff and good personnel, there
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: is a lot less pressure on a backup. Like, we're
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: not expecting you to be Josh Allen. Just run the
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: plays that are called. Just, you know, don't make mental,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: dumb mistakes. Jacoby had a bad mistake today through some picks.
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: And it just wasn't as good as he was last week,
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: which it's going to be way harder. Here's the other thing. Hey, Drew,
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: our defense is awesome. You don't have to do that much.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: These guys, they will bring us a couple balls back.
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I expected Seattle to win this game. Early on, Arizona
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: came to play. Arizona's got some good players.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: They have no depth, but they got some decent.
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: Seattle's just on a completely different world.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Seattle, guys. I mean, Drew Locke's a great example.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Seattle has so much. Arizona's got six or seven. Jeremiah Love,
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: Trey McBride. They got six or seven really good guys.
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison is nowhere.
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: To be found.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: I mean, Michael Wilson, I mean, he is MIA. He just,
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: and I'll tell you, that's a shocker. Like some of
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: these guys that are busts in the NFL, you're like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: what happened? I thought Harrison was, now he wasn't a
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: big separator. He had a big body. He was good
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: after the catch. He was just a big, strong guy.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: His dad was a legendary receiver. He is, he's a bust.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: He just can't, I mean, they've got, he's about the
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: fifth best target they have. And I, you know, I just,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: I look at Seattle and I think, this is why
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: the draft remains important because Seattle doesn't miss on their
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: first two or three picks and they got two of everything. Okay.
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: Cowboys hammer the commanders 37 to 20. It was pitch
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and catch for Dak. Washington had a pretty good pass
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: rush in the first half, but Dak finishes with four touchdowns,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: no picks 26 of 31. You know, Jaden Daniels gets
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: hurt again and it's the elbow again. So it's, He's missing, what,
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: 15 games last year or 10 games last year? I'll
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: have to look it up. I think I'm getting to
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: the point when you have a reputation or a concern.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: and you live up to that concern. So when he
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: came into the league, we all talked about it, John,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: he had kind of a Teddy Bridgewater build. You're like, now,
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: he was feeling it today early. When Jaden takes off,
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: he is like Lamar Jackson light. He will outrun every
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: safety and linebacker and defensive end you have on your roster.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: Like you have to, he, multiple times guys had angles
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: on him for Dallas today, and he just gets to
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the corner. Jaden is a special athlete. But if you
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: start looking at what we have, Jaden Daniels missed 10
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: games last year. Now, if he's hurt again, is he
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: going to miss another dozen? We have to have this
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: uncomfortable conversation. Caleb Williams bears. He never gets hurt. High
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: school college pros, never hurt. Jaden Daniels, this was his
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: reputation coming in. He's light. He's spindly. He likes to run.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: And Washington's not a very good team. But when he
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: went down today, I'm like, OK, if you're Washington, do
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: you have to consider in this next loaded draft and
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: you're going to be a top eight pick? Do you
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: have to draft another quarterback? Yeah.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: I mean, who are they beating without him? So if
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: he's out significant time, I saw doctors on the internet,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: you know, it's the same arm. The ligament is probably
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: not as strong because you see guys make that move
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: all the time, put their arm down and roll right over.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: And that thing just popped. Does he need surgery? Is
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: he out for the season? Is he out for a
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: significant amount of time? I didn't think Washington was that
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: good before he went down, but you're right. He was playing,
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: you know, Cowboys defense isn't great. And he was making
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: some plays. And hell, they, you know, at first it
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: looked like they were going to get blowed out. They
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: kind of came storming back and had some explosive offensive plays.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: But they're screwed. I mean, you lose Laramie Tunzel for
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: the year. I mean, we've had a lot of injuries here, Colin.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: We've had a lot of injuries throughout the NFL. And
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: some guys like Jaden, you kind of expect to get injured.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: You're not like hoping for it, but it's just, I mean,
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: his history kind of speaks for itself now since he's
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: been in the NFL. Yeah, I think that they're just
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: going to be in the positions. Because the other thing is,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: this offseason, let's say worst-case scenario, he's just gone. Well,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you've got to pick up his fifth-year option next year,
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: which these fifth-year options now with the cap rising, they're
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: a significant amount of money. So if he's not able
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: to play the rest of the season and you torpedo,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you imagine that the Dolphins, or excuse me, the Commanders,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: probably be right there with the Dolphins. The Dolphins are
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: pretty bad. But if you're telling me the backup quarterback–
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: is going to play. I mean, they're going to be
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: an underdog in every single game. So yeah, I would,
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: I would heavily. Now I also watch a lot of
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: college football. I think we do a poor, everyone hypes
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: up the off-season quarterback draft and then the games actually come.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: People are like, oh, it doesn't quite look as good
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: as it once did. It's like, yeah, let them play
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the games and we'll see. Like, I don't think six
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks are going to go one through six. I mean,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: let's just, everyone went to Oklahoma State and Oregon to
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: watch the number one overall pick and they came away,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: a guy that never started a high school game was
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: the better prospect. So things change very, very fast in college,
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: but they do change very, very fast in the NFL.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: This guy had a historic rookie season, and then now
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we're on year three, and it's just a disaster mired
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: with injuries. And part of it, even the Caleb thing,
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: his great attribute is the running around. But Tom Brady
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning were never pulling hamstrings. Lamar Jackson's pulled
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: a hamstring. It does come. Who pulls hamstrings? Running backs,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: wide receivers, DBs. Jared Goff's not pulling a hamstring, you know?
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: So it's, it's part of like, Jay Daniels is going
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: to get hurt more because he's moving around a lot more,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: you know? So that, that, that comes with the territory,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: but man, that, that injury, even, even Brady dropped a
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: swear word when he saw it, how could you not?
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: Because the, the arms facing the other way. And, you know,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: you see the towel over your head. I mean, at
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: one point in time, Caleb and Jayden Daniels looked like
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: they were going to take the league by storm. And
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: obviously Jayden's star is dimmed dramatically, but Caleb, The NFL
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: can change so fast. Oh, my God. And nothing is
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: more important. Now college is like that, too. When that
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: quarterback is either off or gets injured, it feels like
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: your season flashes before your eyes.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: By the way, I think Dallas, they're not going to
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: be as bad as they were in week one because
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: Brian Schottenheimer is an offensive coach between Jake Ferguson, the
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: tight end. Ryan Flournoy, C.D. Lamb, George Pickens, they have
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: some really nice weapons. That's a top six or seven
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: wide receiver tight end group. I think Ferguson's one of
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the more underrated tight ends in football. He had a
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: big catch in the end zone today. I thought Dak,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: you know, Dak doesn't run like he used to, but
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: Dak is such a smart adult in the pocket. You know,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: this was one of my favorite picks of the weekend.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I thought Dallas would bounce back. I think the Commanders
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: are a really bad team. I think Philadelphia's I mean,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: you know, they are what they are. But my takeaway
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: on Dallas is that they're going to win games like this.
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: Dallas has been, under Dak Prescott, at home in division,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: a tough out. And, you know, Washington discovered that today.
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Speaking of the Eagles, Philadelphia 24, the Titans 20. I
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: had a friend text me this. He said, Jalen Hurts
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: has become Russell Wilson. Two Super Bowls, one win. Stacked roster,
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: completes about 64% of his throws, win over 65%, never
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: quite as big as you'd like, ad lib more than
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: they should, never great in the pocket, always say the
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: right thing at the podium. Some teammates think they're a
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: little fake, inauthentic, cringy. But Jalen Hurts today is 26-37,
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: made it. three or four. I mean, the reality with
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts, it's the Russell Wilson thing. When he was
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: in his athletic prime, you just looked up and Russell
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: with a stacked roster just made big plays late in games.
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: I remember Greg Cosell for years said about Russell Wilson,
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: he does planned ad libs. He said they're ad libs,
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: but they look planned. And I think a lot of that,
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, when I watched him Today, I mean, Philadelphia
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: dominated time of possession. They had the ball for almost
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: 37 minutes. Robert Sala, I mean, they didn't execute particularly well.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: I thought they played pretty well for Tennessee. They didn't
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: execute well. Philadelphia is an older team. They have more
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: franchise momentum. Jalen, in the fourth quarter, this is just
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: kind of the Russell Wilson thing. It's kind of what
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: he does. My takeaway on Philadelphia, they should be better
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: than they are. But I kind of they're late game situations, John.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: It's just like, yeah, Jalen makes a lot of plays.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that final drive, he was in his Russell Wilson form.
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I mean, absolutely. I do believe Russell in his prime
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: was a better player. I think Jalen's one of the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: most bizarre players you'll ever see. Because you can watch
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: series and he looks like the worst quarterback in the league.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: And you can watch series where he looks like one
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: of the more dynamic players in the league. Right. I mean,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: he gifted them seven points early in the game. He
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: threw a red zone pick. The guy basically returned it
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: for a touchdown. They scored a couple plays later. So,
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: I mean, the Titans stink. This has to be one
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: of those for you, the Eagles. The Eagles cannot run
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: the ball, Colin. I mean, what did they have today?
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: They ran 89 yards.
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: Now, Saquon got hurt.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: He got banged up. He had 90 yards. You know,
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: Tank Bixby. They're just– you removed, you know, Jalen had
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: five runs on scrambles, but they, they didn't have one
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: guy go over 33 yards. I mean, their offensive line
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: is a shell of itself. One thing they're good, they're
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: a good personnel team. So Devante Smith, excellent player. Wicks
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: has made some big plays for him. Cooper had a
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: big touchdown, the game winner in the back of the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: end zone. So I, Listen, the Eagles, they kind of
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: look the same, I think, as last year. You don't
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: know what you're getting play-to-play, series-to-series, half-to-half. Their defense is solid.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: They're going to have to lean on them. But if
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: he turns the ball over, they could lose to anybody.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: And some games he will just not have picks, and
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: you'll have a good– like last week, people were like,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: you're too harsh on him. My issue is more just
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: like the flow of the offense for a $ 50 million. Today,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: when he's turning the ball over, And he had two
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: bad interceptions. One. gave him seven points, they could lose
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: the worst team in the league. And that's the weird
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: part with the Eagles is their talent doesn't match their
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: results a lot of time versus lesser competition. But if
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: they play a better team, sometimes they look way better.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: You know, you just– they're very– They're very fickle, and
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: it starts with him. It really does. And you'd be like, well,
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: they don't have a run game. That's true. He's a runner.
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: He can take off. But listen, Lamar, second half, their
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: run game shut down, and he looked kind of pedestrian.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Football's hard. And the Titans, Robert Sala also kind of
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: owns Jalen Hurts and Sirianni. Last year, he beat them
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: with me and you playing defense, so... They got that
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: monkey off their back and beat them, but that would
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: have been a devastating loss if you lose the Titans
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: week two.
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think my take on the Titans,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: it's not about winning this year. It's about losing close.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: So today, not a moral victory, but I thought there
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: were moments they outplayed Philadelphia. They just didn't execute particularly
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: well because they're young and they're not very talented. But
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: I thought overall, you look at that game and you're like,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: I think the coaching staff for them is good. Cam
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: Ward had some moments today, but Jalen is a fascinating player.
• 40:46
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• 40:56
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• 42:32
  Speaker 2: San Francisco 35, Miami 13. I think Malik Willis has talent.
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: I don't think he has much around him outside of
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: running back. I was thinking about the, remember the show
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: deadliest catch about like crab fishermen in the Bering sea.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: Deadliest catch is anybody that plays receiver for the Niners.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Demarcus Robinson got carted off today. It's like, I don't
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: even know how to explain it. I literally don't even,
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: I don't even understand this organization. Like they're just wide
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: receivers cannot stay healthy. But I will say something. As
• 43:08
  Speaker 2: I've said before, and maybe I'm just being a smart aleck,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: but Shanahan is such a great coach that the whole
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy thing is, folks, he got Jimmy Garoppolo to
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. He made Mac Jones, you know, look really,
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: really highly capable last year. But I will say this
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: season so far, I think Brock Purdy's been sensational. Today, 20-22,
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: 287 yards. He was perfect. I mean, two touchdowns, no picks. John,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: Brock Purdy's decision-making, There's something, you know, we talk about this.
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: Some guys don't see the field. There's an argument to me.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: Brock sees the field like Brady saw it. I'm not
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: saying he's Tom Brady, but his ability, he'll do this
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: from time to time where his shoulders, he will be
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: off to the right, leaning right. He's going to throw
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: the ball right. And I don't know how he does this.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: And he will just turn and fire to the running
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: back to the left. I mean, almost without looking. His
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: understanding of the scheme and the routes, you can see
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: why Shanahan falls in love with him, John. He makes
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: the right throw. And he's got a better arm than
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Garoppolo did. And he's also, he's got kind of that
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix thing. He's kind of sneaky athletic. But I'm
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: watching him today, and I know it's Miami, but the
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: first two weeks of the season, I mean, they had 20...
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: 23rd quarter points. I mean, they score quickly with him.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: And I'm watching the Niners. I'm like, I get why
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Shanahan falls in love with him. He just makes the
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: right throw to the right place almost every single time.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: He said this, the broadcast has said this back-to-back weeks.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: I think he's been telling them in their meetings. He
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: wanted to get back to his rookie year. He said
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: over the course of the last season and a half,
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: he got a little too much of a gunslinger mentality
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: instead of doing what was right in the offense. I agree.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And now he knows the offense like the back of
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: his hand, and he has one of the great play
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: callers of his generation do what he tells you. And
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: when you need to, you can ad lib. He had
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: a play today, Colin, where he pump faked and then
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: side-armed it to Mike Evans. for a big first down,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: which Mike Evans sneaky had to leave the game with
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a hip questionable to return. I don't think he ever did,
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: but something to keep an eye on that. He threw
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: the first two games, but this is his high end.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: When Brock is on, he is an elite player. His
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: problem is he's had some dips. He has some gunslinging interceptions.
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: He does today. I mean, Miami's really bad and the 49ers.
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: What would I, what I'm impressed by you come back
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: from Australia and, you're playing what I think is going
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: to turn out to be the worst team in the league,
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: and you treat them like a JV versus varsity. This
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: is the NFL. I mean, you can have some weird games.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: If you would have told me this is 13-13 at
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: half and Niners are in a weird game, I'd be like,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: totally believable. Week two, this team's not dead yet, and
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: they put their foot on their throat early. And they
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: came out of halftime, Kittle. One thing I think Seattle...
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: And this is a big, you know, Puka brings us
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: the table, some of their defensive linemen. But, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: the Rams and Sean are a little, not finesse, but
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: they like throwing it around a little more sexy. There
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: is nothing sexy about Seattle and the 49ers, the way
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: they think about football, the way they coach football, about
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: the way they want to play football. They want to
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: hurt you. The 49ers offensive players want to hurt you.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I mean, George Kittle seeks contact. Deebo Samuel seeks contact.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: That's which is, I think, part of the attrition they
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: face is their violence. Seattle benefits from their young cores
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: a little younger so they can take the hits. I mean,
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: George has been playing a long time, but he had
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: a play today right down the middle. He threw a
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: guy off him, ran for the longest play of their season.
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: And obviously McCaffrey, I think sometimes you think about McCaffrey.
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: If you're not watching him every single week, like McCaffrey
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: is a physical player.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: Oh God.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: Yes. You know, so their mentality, their culture, they got
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: Arizona next week. Who is by no means a slouch.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: You know, they, the score today, they were, I think
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: Seattle would tell you they're better than the score reflects. They,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: they're not bad. The Niners win that there's a big
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: game coming up with Denver in a couple of weeks.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: And the Niners probably going to be three and Oh,
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: going into that game. 49ers got feel pretty good. The
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: other thing is, When you lose guys, I'm a big
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: believer in this. Offensive guys, you can give Andy, you
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: can give Shanahan, you can give McVay some random players
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: on offense and they can manipulate it. I don't think
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: you can really manipulate defense. You need the Jimmys and
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: the Joes to go with the X's and the O's.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: Mike McDonald's scheme wouldn't look the same with Miami's personnel.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: You can't get by with average. That's why the SEC
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: defenses tend to be good. It's like, they got good
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: defensive coaches? Well, they got the best defensive players, you know?
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And I think when Fred Warner, Drake Greenlaw is like
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: his Robin who looks way better than he did last
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: year in Denver. Bosa back, their defensive backs are doing well.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: The 49ers defense looks, you know, their offense has never
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: really been their issue. It's like, If Fred is on
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: the field, if Bosa's on the field, they win a
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: lot of games when 97's there because that guy comes
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: around the edge and Fred tackles everybody. Good start for
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the 49ers, and we'll see tomorrow the Rams. That Australia game,
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: you heard McVay, like, we're never going back. I don't
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: want to go back either. Kyle can't really say that
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: because they won, so he's being a little more diplomatic,
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: but they don't ever want to go back. No one
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: wants to go on a 15-hour flight. Who are the
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: Cowboys and the Ravens are playing in Brazil this week?
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: You would gladly avoid that if you could. Anytime you
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: can win after that long travel game, I think you're
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: feeling pretty good regardless if you're playing, I don't know,
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: one of the worst teams maybe we'll have ever seen.
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: I want to talk about this, maybe not for a
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: long time, Cincinnati 20, Texans 6. So, C.J. Stroud comes
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: into the NFL with a defensive coach, D'Amico Ryans, and
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: a hell of a coach. But a defensive coach, it
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: is a defensive culture in Houston.
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: C.J.
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Stroud keeps getting worse. Bryce Young... goes to Carolina. Bryce
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: Young gets Dave Canales eventually. They've surrounded him with Coker, T-Mac. LeGarrette, Big,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: and a decent running game. That's an offensive culture. Bryce
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Young keeps getting better and better. C.J. Stroud keeps getting worse.
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: If I'd have told you two years ago, Bryce Young
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: is easily the better quarterback than C.J. Stroud. You would
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: have said the exact opposite two years ago. C.J. Stroud,
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, there was a point today, it was a
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: fourth and one. They trailed by a touchdown and they
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: decided to kick like a 50-something yard field goal, 57-yard
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: field goal over going four. Like I look at, this
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: is what I talk about. If you're as good as Mahomes,
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't matter. If you're as good as Peyton Manning,
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't matter. But for a lot of these quarterbacks, John,
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: it's where you land, And who is your North Star?
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Who is your guiding light? Bryce Young is becoming, over
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: the first two weeks of the season and at the
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: end of last year, Bryce Young's a gamer. He made
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: several big-time throws today. They've surrounded him, John, with big,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: catching radius. Waller. Waller. Everybody's big. LeGarrett's big. Coker's big.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: T-Mac's big. You can see it's an intentional move. tight
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: end wide receiver group. He's a smaller quarterback, but he
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: moves well. It's a basketball team. They're long. It's the
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: tallest group of receivers in the league. And he just
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: keeps getting better. Stroud today, and they made him throw
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: 55 times. They have no run game. They've never been
• 50:49
  Speaker 2: able to develop, never been able to develop a consistent
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: offensive line. Nico Collins can never stay healthy. He didn't play.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: They couldn't run today. They asked him to throw 55 times.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I watched the day CJ Stroud and I'm like, And
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: I loved him after his rookie year. I'm not sure
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: what to do. I think if you had to switch,
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: if you put Canales with him and Bryce with D'Amico,
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: I really do believe those guys are not great enough
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: They need the right sensibility, landing spot, and weapons. But
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: I watched Bryce today, and I'm like, that works in
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: the NFL. I don't know how great he is, but
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: that's a franchise quarterback. I watched CJ Stroud today. Now,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: the Bengals spent a lot of money, John, on defense,
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: and they got a bunch of sacks today. They are
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: forcing turnovers. They don't even look like the same team.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: They look like an SEC team six years ago. They're
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: just bigger, faster, stronger. The collisions are far worse. They
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: just went and bought. sacks. They went and bought forced fumbles.
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I watched CJ Stroud today, John. If I'm the Texans,
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: I have a hard time investing in that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you can't. I mean, at this point in time,
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: you just keep playing it out. There's no $ 50, $ 60
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: million contract that is three, four years at $ 200 plus million.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: They are so dependent on Nico Collins. I mean, he's inactive.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: They got no shot. I mean, what's the big difference
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: in the game is Joe Burrow just heaved it up
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: to number one. Well, who's number one?
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player. He makes one of the most
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: incredible catches, you know, in the in the front corner
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: of the end zone for a touchdown. He has another
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: touchdown in the back of the end zone when Burrow
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: scrambles out. I mean, they got no one to throw
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: to like that. It's not like I thought Cincinnati's offense
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: was that dominant, but one difference. And remember, they started
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: slow last year. they need their defense to be the
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: number one defense in the league. And right now it's
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: just not, I mean, last week they got smoked by
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Josh who you'd be like, well, he's just, he's on
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: an all time heater right now. Okay. You're playing burrow who,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: you know, and they're coming off a game. Here's the
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: other thing you chase had two catches last year. So,
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: you know, they're going to try to force feed in
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: the ball to just be like, he's their guy. And
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: they did it in huge spots. And the Texans, I mean, that's,
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: It's tough. Now, they're lucky. The Jags lose. The Colts,
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens tonight, but they already have a loss.
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: The Titans stink. So the division, it's not going to
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: run away from them, but you can't. This was a
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Bengals issue for a couple years. Start slow, and then
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: you're digging your way out. Well, they were able to
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: dig their way out a couple times, even a couple
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: years ago when they went night, because their offense, it's
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: hard to dig yourself out when you're just depending on defense, defense, defense.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: The rules are against you. I mean, that's just simple
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: as that. The rule, it's hard. Unless you're getting seven
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: to eight sacks a game, you can't really hit anybody.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: You get thrown for PIs a lot. It's very subjective
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: week to week. The Bengals, They're 2-0. You've got to
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: feel pretty good about them. Their defense looks good. The
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: two wide receivers are elite. I like them a lot.
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: It's hard to buy an offense because offensive players can
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: be more expensive, but you can really get value on
• 54:01
  Speaker 2: buying a defense. Dexter Lawrence has been a huge get
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: for them. Boye Mafe, they went and got that safety
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: from New England. It's a real defense, and you can
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: just watch the Bengals' defense. Okay, I'm not going to
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: talk about Green Bay beating the Jets 2017 in overtime,
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: because for the first time since 1941, an NFL team
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: won a game with over 100 yards and penalties against
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: and less than 200 yards of offense. So the game
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: is not worth talking about. But I am going to
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: talk about Cleveland beating Tampa with a big rain delay,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: 23 to 19. Deshaun Watson actually played well. Give Deshaun
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: Watson credit. And I'll say this. You know I love
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: Andrew Barry. They have drafted some really interesting wide receivers. Boston, Concepcion.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: I like their– I think they have talent. I think
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: Cleveland has players. But it's funny. We always talk about
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: this with quarterbacks. When Baker Mayfield signs a contract, now
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: he's in the Josh Allen class for a year financially. Well,
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: through two games, Baker has two touchdowns and four giveaways.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen has nine touchdowns and no giveaways. They should
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: not be in the same financial galaxy. I am happy
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: for Baker Mayfield making that money. But I watched today, John,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, Deshaun Watson outplayed Baker Mayfield. That was
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: my take today watching that game.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: I couldn't. I mean, I can't disagree with you. Baker
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: hasn't been good through two weeks. I mean, even the
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: last pass of the game, he was wide open. I mean,
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: he just missed them. completely transparency over here, forgot about
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: that game. All of a sudden I look over and
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: they're coming. How long was that delay? Like seven hours?
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, it had to be at least two and
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: a half, three hours. The game just disappeared and then
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: came back with like two minutes left in the game.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: So it is a tough spot to come back from.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: But I think any Buccaneer fan would tell you that
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: we were in a tight game with a couple minutes
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: to go with a delay is insane against the Browns.
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: the negative momentum they had. Every time I looked over
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: before the game went to delay, That had to be
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Watson's best game from an eye test standpoint. Statistically, it
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: had to be right up there. But from an eye
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: test standpoint, scrambling around, he made some touch throws. He
• 56:18
  Speaker 1: made some plays to give his wide receivers chances. Obviously,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: Boston had the one big touchdown. He made another nice
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: touchdown pass in the back of the corner of the
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: end zone. He felt like he was really accurate today
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: with his ball placement. Everyone and their mother thought that Watson,
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: you're playing a team that had the most toxic quarterback
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: situation ever. Truly, if you factor on and off the field, we've, like,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: ever seen, at least in my life. I mean, we've
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: seen bad players that you just hate because he's a
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: bad player, but you're, like, stuck with his contract. And
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: even if you get rid of him after the year,
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: it's going to impact your– the whole fan base– and
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: he just beat you? I mean, is Todd Bowles making
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: it to Halloween?
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know. That was my take on this.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: It's so, listen, he lost Dave Canales and Liam Cohen.
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield had two great offensive coordinators. One goes to Carolina.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: He's doing very well, made the playoffs. One goes to Jacksonville.
• 57:12
  Speaker 2: He saved the franchise. The bottom line is, outside of
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: like the Josh Allen's generally, John, you know this, you
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: worked in the league, is like most players change levels
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: based on their position or their coordinator. Lawrence Taylor is
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: going to be great with anybody. Calvin Johnson is going
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: to be great. Same with Stafford. But Stafford, as great
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: as he is, gets McVay, and now he's going to
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Super Bowls and winning Super Bowls. So most players are
• 57:40
  Speaker 2: somewhat beholden to the coaching. Baker is not good enough.
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: I mean, Sam Darnold Jets, Sam Darnold Vikings Seahawks, totally
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: different player. Baker doesn't feel, to me, he looks like
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: he's had a living more. It feels like, you know,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: not that he disrespects the coaches there, but under Canales
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: and Liam Cohen, I felt like he played more under control.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: That's just my opinion. He feels like he's kind of,
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: I'm just going to do my thing now. That's what
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: it feels like to me. And he's making more mistakes
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: because there's a delta between what he is and what
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: he thinks he is. And I like Baker and I'm
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: happy for him. But when you pay him like that,
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: a super team-friendly deal, I love Baker. At his current deal,
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: I don't love Baker. I mean, that's my reality. I
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: thought he got outplayed by Deshaun Watson today, and I
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: don't even think it's arguable.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I think it's very evident that he misses the guy
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: that's wearing number five in San Francisco right now. I mean,
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: that was a security blanket. I mean, they throw it
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: to a book at the end. Who's more of a
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: JSN body type? You got to be a little bit
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: more accurate. You know, with Mike, you just kind of
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: throw it up there and it ain't a 50 50 ball.
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: It's more like 90 10 ball. And that guy is
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: just gone. And Baker and him have a lot of success.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: And you look at. they're just off. I mean, they,
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Todd Bowles, negativity surrounding it. I think him
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: and Dan Quinn, one thing I didn't, I wrote this
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: down watching the Cowboy game. Dan Quinn's staff has to
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: lead the league in backwards hats, Colin.
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I know you've noticed that.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: I mean, their offense coordinator's got a backwards hat i
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: don't know if you can be rocking the backwards hat
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: as a head coach getting beat.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Every week that's a rough two two frat boy and
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: i'm with.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: You on baker there does feel a little bit like
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: he's got a little freelance to his game and to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: me part of his game as he became a good
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: player when he was coming out of oklahoma i know
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: you weren't high on him I thought he was so accurate.
• 59:29
  Speaker 1: He was so in control. And now he's kind of
• 59:32
  Speaker 1: become this scramble around, move around. It's not really his thing.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: It could be he got sacked three times a day.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: His offensive line is not as good as it once was.
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: But it's like, throw the ball away. Just live to
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: fight another day. You're not Lamar Jackson here, buddy. I'm
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: a huge Baker guy, but he is not. It's been
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: a rough two weeks. To lose to the Browns at home.
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Definitely makes it worse with a seven-hour delay for the
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: fans that stayed. I didn't have the audio. I mean,
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: was there just a crazy lightning storm? I feel like
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: that's the longest delay in NFL history.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: Well, Tampa is the lightning capital of North America. I
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: lived there for a couple years. It's spectacular to watch
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: the lightning storms come in, but they can take over
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 2: the city. Saints 24, Baltimore 17. They got rid of
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: John Harbaugh. He was the issue. He's doing very well
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: with the New York Giants. Nose flowers. New Orleans completely
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: dominated this game from late second quarter to the end
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: of the game. They outscored the Ravens 21-3. Lamar had
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: a brutal interception at the end of the game. But
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: I thought the story of the game was Tyler Shuck.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: I think the Saints have found a quarterback. He was
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: a second round guy. He had that weird combine throw.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: You know, everybody's like, he's too old. He's 24, 25
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: years old in college. He was 27 to 34, passer
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: rating a 108 today. I mean, again, just like Drew Locke,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 2: he knows who to throw to. He is literally looking
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 2: for Chris Olave every time he drops to throw. And
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: say what you want about him, you got to get
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: the ball like Bo Nix today, locked in on Jalen Waddell.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: They win the game. Bo Nix last week. What, did
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: they have one catch to Jalen Waddell? Go feed your
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: star the ball. Shuck throws it to the right people. John,
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: I think he's got a very good arm. He is accurate.
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: He's big. He'll do a little sidearm. He's got a
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: little bit of arm talent. I don't know if he's great,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: but Derek Henry was good. He wasn't dominating today. The
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: Ravens came off this massive win. Baltimore's weird. Lamar's You know,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: he's had weird Septembers like Burrow where you're like, what's
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: going on? He's very good in week one. But I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: thought the story of the game was that I picked
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: the Saints to win their division. I think they found
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 2: their quarterback. You know, Jackson Dart is way better than
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: I thought. Tyler Shuck is way better than I thought.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Tyler Shuck's good. I mean, Kellen Moore's a good offensive coordinator.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Their personnel, you know, we talk about some of these
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: teams with their personnel like Chargers. Do you know how
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: much better the Saints personnel is on offense than the L.A.
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: Chargers?
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: It's not even close. I mean, Olave's a high-end wide receiver.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, God, he's great.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: Jawan Johnson, 83, is a high-end receiving tight end. Their
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: stats weren't great today, but Etienne and Kamara coming out
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: of the backfield just to throw to. Those are high-end,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: wide-receiving running backs. Vele, every single week, that guy's making plays.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: They just drafted Jordan Tyson 8. He's nowhere to be
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: found because he's injured. I mean, their talent on offense
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: to go around Chuck. Kelvin Banks got hurt today, the tackle.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: He was a first-round pick. I mean, they've invested a
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: lot on offense. And I've been critical of this guy
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: over the years. I thought he was a little cheesy.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: Brandon Staley's a pretty good defensive coordinator. And the one
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: thing Harbaugh took a lot of crap on in Munkin...
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was more his fault. They would just
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: get away from Derrick Henry. I think he had like
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: four or five carries in the second half. Early on,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: it's like, just keep giving him the ball. He looks
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: like he's 24 years old. They just get away from him.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: And Zay Flowers is out. They're dependent on Bateman, who
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: ran the wrong route or whatever on the interceptions. Likely
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: he's gone. Their personnel can, another precipitous drop off if
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: they're missing one guy. And Lane's on IR, too, so
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: they're going to be pretty dependent on him. It's just
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: they've had one pro bowler in the history of the
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: franchise at wide receiver, and he was in street clothes today.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: Bateman actually was pretty productive, but in the big spots, like,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: can you count on him? It's like the Chargers with
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson. You can watch. You can make some big plays.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: But do you really count on him? No. To me, Alave,
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: there's not a GM in the league that wouldn't be like,
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I can count on this guy in the fourth quarter
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: throwing the ball. He's a little like. Go ahead. the
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: cap he wears, because obviously concussions, thought it was going
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: to end his career. And he's like, my dad used
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: to always say this about Shaq. He's like, Rick Barry
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: begged him to shoot underhand, but Shaq didn't think it
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: was cool. So Shaq was never going to do it.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: So it's like, OK, you're going to shoot 30 percent
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: or whatever from the foul line. It's like Rick Barry said,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: I will fix you and they won't be able to
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: do hack check because you won't miss. You have to
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: do the underhand thing, the granny shot, but he wouldn't
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: do it. A lot of guys like whatever the impact
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: percentage wise, it does have an impact. That's why you're
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: seeing more and more of these guys wearing it, because
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: ultimately playing in the game is how you get paid.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: And Olave said at first, you know, I was hesitant
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: to wear it. Now it gives me confidence. And you're
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: watching Olave. He's just playing like he's a Tyreek Hill,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: like he's just a high-end, speed, route-running wide receiver. And
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I do think that thing on top of his head,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: he even mentioned to the broadcasters today, like, I feel free.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: Where before, I'm always questioning. I'm a concussion away from, like,
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: ending my career. And he has been through two weeks
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: all pro level. And Chuck is just good. I think
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: what throws people off about Chuck is he's in the
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: prom picture with Brock Purdy, the same high school class.
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: You have Brock's four years in the league, and he's
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  Speaker 1: a rookie. Because he plays seven years in college. He
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  Speaker 1: bounces around in a bunch of colleges. It was just
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  Speaker 1: a weird eval. I mean, we kind of went through
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  Speaker 1: a period with Transfer Portal and NIL that throws people off.
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  Speaker 1: Not probably moving forward.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the COVID quarterback class, everybody weft.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just think Kellen Moore's good. We saw
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  Speaker 1: him with the Eagles. They won the Super Bowl. I
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  Speaker 1: know him and McCarthy butted heads. They sure scored a
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  Speaker 1: lot of points with Kellen Moore calling the plays. Kellen
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  Speaker 1: Moore's a quarterback who was trained by Chris Peterson, who
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  Speaker 1: I think you'd agree is one of the smartest guys
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  Speaker 1: you will ever meet in the sport of football. That's like,
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  Speaker 1: beside his father, that's like his football mentor. He still
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  Speaker 1: talks to him. Like I've always been a believer in
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  Speaker 1: Brandon Staley. Some guys are just meant to be coordinators
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  Speaker 1: and he's pretty good coordinator because I don't think their
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  Speaker 1: personnel is great, you know, and they did a really
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  Speaker 1: good job in the second half. And at one point
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  Speaker 1: in time, they're down like eight or nine points, but
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  Speaker 1: it's on the road. It feels like this is just
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  Speaker 1: kind of getting smothered here, you know, at the end
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  Speaker 1: of the first half. And they kind of show no quit. Obviously,
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  Speaker 1: they won this week, but the Detroit thing, they're down 21-0.
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  Speaker 1: It's like first game on the road. All of a sudden,
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  Speaker 1: they're in overtime. This team, I'm a believer in the Saints.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how high their ceiling is, but to me,
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  Speaker 1: they definitely have a chance to win 10-11 games.
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  Speaker 2: The Ravens' last three possessions, punt, punt, pick. So you
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  Speaker 2: can say what you want about the Saints, but they
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  Speaker 2: outplayed Detroit in the second half and A outplayed on
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  Speaker 2: the road. I mean, that's a rough schedule. At Detroit,
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  Speaker 2: at Baltimore, they could have been 2-0.
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  Speaker 1: What's Lamar's record against NFC opponents coming into this game?
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  Speaker 2: Well, it used to be.
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  Speaker 1: 45-2 or something?
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  Speaker 2: It was. At one point, I think it was 23-1.
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  Speaker 2: He is 2-3 in his last five games against the NFC.
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  Speaker 2: First of all, there's a lot more tape on him.
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  Speaker 2: A lot more coordinators in the NFC have faced him.
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  Speaker 2: And frankly, he doesn't quite have the jets that he did.
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  Speaker 2: He just doesn't. He's just not quite.
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  Speaker 1: He's not quite as fast.
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  Speaker 2: He's not quite as fast. By the way, before I go,
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  Speaker 2: USC beat Rutgers 42 to 35. Can you explain to me?
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  Speaker 1: Were you getting nervous when that quarterback looked like Dan
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  Speaker 1: Marino back there slinging it all over you guys?
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  Speaker 2: Hell yes. How in the world can USC's defensive line?
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  Speaker 2: It's been great. It's amazing to me. When you send
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  Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley's teams to the East Coast, they have a
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  Speaker 2: game in a few weeks at Penn State. They can't
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  Speaker 2: win it. There's no way they can beat Indiana. There
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  Speaker 2: is something about this program, and I can't explain it.
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  Speaker 2: When you send USC at the Coliseum, I wouldn't be
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  Speaker 2: surprised if they beat Oregon and Washington soundly. You send
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  Speaker 2: them out East. They lost to Maryland. And Minnesota gave them,
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  Speaker 2: they lost. I think they lost. Yeah, I think they
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  Speaker 2: did lose to Minnesota. They were outplayed in stretches. Now,
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  Speaker 2: there was a, they felt like they were controlling the game.
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  Speaker 2: And Rutgers did a great fake punt. It worked. It
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  Speaker 2: really kind of shocked everybody. And they did create three turnovers.
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  Speaker 2: They had a pick six. I mean, they did some
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  Speaker 2: things good defensively, but it was wild to watch Gary
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  Speaker 2: Peterson's Gary Patterson's defensive line, five-star guys. They went and
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  Speaker 2: spent millions of dollars, get pushed around for three and
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  Speaker 2: a half hours by the Rutgers O-line. But my take
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  Speaker 2: was the offense doesn't matter where they play. They're multiple.
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  Speaker 2: They're dynamic. They're freshman class. They're freshman running backs, tight
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  Speaker 2: end wide receivers. They didn't even have Trent Mosley. They're
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  Speaker 2: fantastic players. I mean, they're all NFL guys. But USC,
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  Speaker 2: you come out of that game as an SC fan,
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  Speaker 2: you're like, nothing has changed.
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  Speaker 1: Is Mosley going to play this week? Because that's a
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  Speaker 1: pretty big, you know, if he was healthy, I would
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  Speaker 1: have given him. a pretty good chance against oregon which
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: in a weird way it feels like this oregon game
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  Speaker 1: got tougher because they lost i mean that was kind
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  Speaker 1: of and i know even landings like we played portland
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  Speaker 1: state we should kill them but i'm sure they had
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  Speaker 1: a week of like looking in the mirror like is
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  Speaker 1: our season just going to be thrown away they can
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  Speaker 1: kind of treat this as all of a sudden you
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  Speaker 1: beat sc They couldn't cover anybody. I mean, I, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know much about Rutgers personnel, but if you watch
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  Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks, you can't imagine it's good.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm flipping that thing on. Cause I, I think
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  Speaker 1: the SC is just going to blow them out and
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  Speaker 1: they were in control. Then all of a sudden that
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  Speaker 1: quarterback sitting back there, eating a sandwich, toss it to
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  Speaker 1: guys over the middle that are untouched, walking into the
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  Speaker 1: end zone. I think this job, and Gary's going to,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure, figure this out, that there is a culture
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  Speaker 1: with these offensive guys from the Leach. They're not, you know,
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  Speaker 1: Cignetti or Kirby. There's just a toughness that is going
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  Speaker 1: to lack. And that's, you know, Oregon, I didn't watch
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  Speaker 1: a snap playing Portland State, but obviously the first two weeks,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: something was way off. But they do have physical guys,
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  Speaker 1: and ultimately, Lanning is like a tough defensive guy. It
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  Speaker 1: is kind of a culture clash. If you told me
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  Speaker 1: Mosley was playing, I was like an SC before this
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  Speaker 1: Rutgers game. But last week when that information came out,
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  Speaker 1: because with Mosley, the tight end Denver kid, but he
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  Speaker 1: transferred to modern day, right? Bowman, is that his name?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: The five star tight end. I mean, that's they got
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  Speaker 1: some serious firepower on offense, but there's just. I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe it's practicing against the Lincoln Riley offenses. Cause you
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: go back to Oklahoma when their offenses were all time
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  Speaker 1: great with Mark Andrews, CD lamb, Hollywood Brown, the running backs, Baker,
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  Speaker 1: their defense were always terrible. I mean, they, they, they are.
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  Speaker 1: And I, I think you develop defense cause he's recruiting
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  Speaker 1: good enough players at this point. No different at Oklahoma.
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  Speaker 1: You develop a defense now under Venables. They're like a
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  Speaker 1: top five defense. It's, It's a culture how you practice.
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  Speaker 2: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: The physicality is developed. I went to Niner practice for years.
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  Speaker 1: You watch Fred Warner practice. He's getting in fights. I've
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: heard stories forever about Ray Lewis and the Ravens. Andy Reid,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: they're going full go tackle to the ground. So is
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  Speaker 1: anyone shocked when you watch them on Monday night? Like, ah,
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  Speaker 1: they're physical. Well, they've been practicing like that for a
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: month and a half. And is that really? No one
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: knows because Lincoln locks everyone out of practice. But I
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: think Dan Lanning is... it was a horrendous loss to
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Oklahoma state, which actually could age better. That quarterback NFL
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: circles is pretty interesting. Eric Morris, pretty high level guy.
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  Speaker 1: Also a leech guy. I, I, I just, I, I
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: do think the toughness aspect of a football, I mean, just,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: just watch Indiana. You know, I know they, they practice
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: for shorter durations. Signetti does. It's probably not too hand
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: touch all the time, especially in training camp, developing themselves. So,
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  Speaker 1: it's there'll be a lot of people paying attention this
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: week Colin and this is a very big moment kind
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  Speaker 1: of a little fork in the road game for his
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  Speaker 1: career at USC he wins it okay we've really taken
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  Speaker 1: a step but like you just lose this team that
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 1: everyone kind of wrote off two weeks ago in Oregon
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  Speaker 1: who was kind of like you know fracturing at the
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: seams it felt like I mean do you feel confident
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  Speaker 1: What's your prediction?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think they match up with Indiana or Ohio State.
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  Speaker 2: I think they match up with everybody. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: Washington has the firepower. I think they will give Oregon
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  Speaker 2: some problems. I think they'll move the ball against Oregon
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  Speaker 2: and Penn State. They don't match up with Indiana at all.
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  Speaker 2: They don't have a number one corner, so they'll be
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: in trouble. Same with Jeremiah Smith. They don't match up
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  Speaker 2: with the– if you have elite tandem receivers or an
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: elite number one, you're going to move the ball. KJ
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  Speaker 2: Duff for Rutgers is a Sunday player. He's a good player.
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  Speaker 2: He just slanted them to death. He just kept doing slants. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: my gosh. It was ridiculous. They just ran the same
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: damn route over and over, and USC couldn't stop them. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: before we go, you can trade the New York Giants
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  Speaker 2: to keep it within seven against the Rams at SoFi
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  Speaker 2: at 46% right now on Polymarket. It's McVay. Awful loss
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  Speaker 2: with extra time. Think I like L.A. here.
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  Speaker 1: You? Puka injuries scaring me a lot. Miles Garrett out.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: Is Aaron Donald going to return? I think I'm riding
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: Scataboo Jackson Dart in the Giants' momentum. Here's the other
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: thing the Giants can do. A lot of pass rushers.
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  Speaker 1: Abdul Carter, MIA, entire season last year. One game, notices
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  Speaker 1: impact immediately.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Stafford ain't running away from him. So I think the
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: Giants could make this thing weird, Colin.
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  Speaker 2: Great stuff, buddy.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome.
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