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Joe Rogan Experience 2350 - Ryan Callaghan · Luke's English Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Check it out. But Joe Experience, Train by Day, Joe Rogan.
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  Speaker 2: Podcast by Night, all Day.
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  Speaker 1: Ryan callahanam Raizy gentlemen, we brought you in here hopefully
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  Speaker 1: we were gonna kill that public land sale deal from
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  Speaker 1: the big beautiful bill. We did it. We did before
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  Speaker 1: we even got you in here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we're not out of the woods yet,
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  Speaker 2: is the reality? Yeah, I mean we're I I was
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  Speaker 2: hoping that you and I were gonna We're gonna team
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  Speaker 2: up and tee off on these sons of bitches and
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  Speaker 2: watch it die together.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's dead.
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  Speaker 2: It's it is dead. It is dead. But we're a
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  Speaker 2: long way from this stuff being.
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  Speaker 3: Dead ever dead. Yeah, right, exactly, it's got to be
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  Speaker 3: dead forever. That's not it's not theirs to sell. It's
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  Speaker 3: very unique to the United States. It's an amazing thing
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  Speaker 3: that we have. And I don't think people in other
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  Speaker 3: countries understand this. I don't think people in America even
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  Speaker 3: understand how unique it is, like our public lands. What
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  Speaker 3: they did when they set that up, not just national parks,
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  Speaker 3: but all the public lands.
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  Speaker 1: We created this insane resource, this beautiful resource where we
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  Speaker 1: can go into the mountains, into the woods and enjoy
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  Speaker 1: nature and it's ours. It's all of.
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  Speaker 2: Ours, And I get. I mean the amount of response
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  Speaker 2: from listeners that live outside the country and to a person,
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  Speaker 2: they're like, are you guys really going to screw this up?
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  Speaker 2: They're like, how do people not know? How do people
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  Speaker 2: not appreciate what you guys have? Don't turn into this
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  Speaker 2: country or this country or this country basically any other
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  Speaker 2: country outside of Canada and the US.
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  Speaker 1: I think the real issue is the people in America
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  Speaker 1: that don't experience it and don't go there and don't
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  Speaker 1: know how insanely unique this situation is. Like I don't
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  Speaker 1: know how to say Chamath's last name, Polyhoptia. Is that
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  Speaker 1: how I say it? Even he was tweeting, this is
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  Speaker 1: a great deal, sell the land and you know, we'll
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  Speaker 1: make some money. Like what the fuck are you talking about? Man?
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  Speaker 1: Like you don't you don't understand like that this this
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  Speaker 1: was an incredible gift that they gave us when they
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  Speaker 1: set America up this way.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And it's not that they need to go
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  Speaker 2: out and experience. They can also understand just where food
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  Speaker 2: comes from, right, how we get cold water and fresh
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  Speaker 2: water in our taps? That public resource is working on
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  Speaker 2: our behalf twenty four to seven three sixty five, always
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  Speaker 2: has been and always will be as long as we
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  Speaker 2: don't screw it up, right, So it's not just the
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  Speaker 2: recreational part of it. It is, I mean, it is
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  Speaker 2: no different than, if you want to think of it
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  Speaker 2: in these terms, than some you know, one arm jack
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  Speaker 2: pumping oil out of the ground. Like it is constantly
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  Speaker 2: working on our behalf, and it it being public land
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  Speaker 2: needs to be intact and intact ecosystem to do its job,
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  Speaker 2: and there's less and less of it every year. So like,
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  Speaker 2: for instance, right like America's grasslands really evan, we are
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  Speaker 2: losing two million acres and grasslands are kind of like
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  Speaker 2: a catch all phrase a little bit, but it'd be
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  Speaker 2: like sagebrush ecosystem, short grass prairie, mixed grass prairie. But
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  Speaker 2: we're losing two million acres a year. It's the most
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  Speaker 2: threatened ecosystem not just in the US but in the
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  Speaker 2: entire planet. And people are like, oh, it's just grass
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  Speaker 2: that development. Well, there's development, but also encroachment of tree species,
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  Speaker 2: so cedars, junipers, stuff like that, working their way back
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  Speaker 2: out on to the prairie to the plane and we
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  Speaker 2: used to have all these natural deforesters out there, bison
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  Speaker 2: that wouldn't allow those trees to grow because they like
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  Speaker 2: rubbing up on stuff and they'll destroy them. So you know,
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  Speaker 2: millions of bison out there physically removing or preventing that
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  Speaker 2: tree encroachment onto the plane. Those trees are sucking water
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  Speaker 2: out of the ground, making it more arid and more dry.
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  Speaker 2: The water table goes down. You lose a lot of
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  Speaker 2: species diversification. And people just do not know, Joe, they
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  Speaker 2: just don't know, and they look at it and they're like,
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  Speaker 2: it's just grass.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I never knew that it was two million acres
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  Speaker 1: a year. How many acres in the United States?
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  Speaker 2: About two point two three billion acres in the US.
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  Speaker 1: So that's a lot. Like two million acres a year
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  Speaker 1: is a lot.
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  Speaker 2: Two million acres a year is a lot. And like
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  Speaker 2: I was hacking on Jamie for his golf swing, right,
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  Speaker 2: we got he's got.
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  Speaker 1: A solid golf swing. You leave him alone, not all
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  Speaker 1: my god, leave him alone. He can he could swing. Jamie.
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  Speaker 1: What's the longest drive you've ever hitded over?
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  Speaker 2: I mean three ten, whatever, three or five.
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  Speaker 1: That's legit. I've done that that's legit. Right. I don't
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  Speaker 1: play golf, but I think that's pretty legit.
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  Speaker 2: What's like not on my head because I'm like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea three hundreds that's.
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  Speaker 4: Set someone up to hit over six hundred yards before.
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  Speaker 4: But it's like with the wind and the elevation, and
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  Speaker 4: elevation helps.
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  Speaker 1: A lot, right like Montana, or I could hit it
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  Speaker 1: four hundre dards to Montana. Really I have on the simulator.
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  Speaker 1: Oh oh that's interrect simulator. Oh, the simulator accounts for that.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, but you don't have to dodge bears on the simulator.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Two million acres of golf courses in the US? Is
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  Speaker 2: there two million acres?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, So that's a good way to look at it, Like, right,
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  Speaker 1: all the golf courses in the United States get lost
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  Speaker 1: every year in grassland exactly. Wow. Yeah, Wow, that's a
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  Speaker 1: good way to put it, right, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And so we talk in as far as like
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  Speaker 2: the public estate. Right, we have six hundred and forty
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  Speaker 2: million acres is the number that you hear all the time.
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  Speaker 2: Eighty three million of those are national parks. But thanks
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  Speaker 2: to the great State of Alaska, you can hunt inside
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  Speaker 2: the boundary of some national parks up there to the
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  Speaker 2: tune of about like forty three million acres big big chunks, right,
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  Speaker 2: and then you you know, remove a little for structures roads.
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  Speaker 2: You know, we have over four hundred thousand miles of
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  Speaker 2: road on for a service and BLM ground. Wow, I
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  Speaker 2: mean it's a lot, a lot, right. And then when
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  Speaker 2: we get into like talking about like the budgeting of
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  Speaker 2: things like BLM for a service, they're maintaining a lot
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  Speaker 2: of stuff that people take for granted. And then you know,
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  Speaker 2: so we're down to like five hundred and eighty million
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  Speaker 2: acres of what I would consider like usable and then
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  Speaker 2: you consider what those acres can actually produce, right, which
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  Speaker 2: you know, if you go to a super arid state,
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  Speaker 2: you need a lot more land to support like mammal
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  Speaker 2: ungulate type life than you do in a state that's
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  Speaker 2: got a lot more water, that's growing a lot of
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  Speaker 2: a lot of food in a smaller amount of space.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So to make things palatable for people, we're always doing
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  Speaker 2: the work of like dumbing things down, dumbing down the messaging.
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  Speaker 2: And yeah, you're right, like people don't know, they don't
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  Speaker 2: know because we try to distill things into like all
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  Speaker 2: public land right, but it is so diverse, which is
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  Speaker 2: what makes it amazing. And that diversity provides all this opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: And one of the things that people need to keep
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  Speaker 2: in mind is we have nothing but bad examples. All
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  Speaker 2: these other countries have gone the complete opposite way of
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  Speaker 2: what we have now. And one of America's largest exports
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  Speaker 2: are is hunters, Like we send hunters all over the
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  Speaker 2: world to support these other economies. And what we have
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  Speaker 2: here at home is insanely valuable, and it just becomes
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  Speaker 2: more and more valuable because we have large, intact ecosystems
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  Speaker 2: that you just more and more cannot find anywhere else.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I just I wish more people appreciated it.
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  Speaker 1: I wish more people experienced it. There's just too many
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  Speaker 1: people that just are are landlocked. I mean what I
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  Speaker 1: mean by landlocked, I mean in cities. Urban locked is
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  Speaker 1: probably the best term for it. There's just too many
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  Speaker 1: people that just don't go out. They don't they don't
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  Speaker 1: know how amazing it is. It's like I always say
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  Speaker 1: that it's it's like a vitamin that you didn't know
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  Speaker 1: you needed. You know, you get onto the real wild, hold,
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  Speaker 1: the real woods. It's a it's a. It's some kind
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  Speaker 1: of a nutrient that you didn't know you needed.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, man, I was just up on I went up
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  Speaker 2: to the Arctic, went up to Arctic National Wildlife Refuge
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  Speaker 2: to check that place out, and twenty four hours of
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  Speaker 2: sun right land in the midnight sun. It never gets dark.
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  Speaker 2: And I was the only person on that trip who
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  Speaker 2: didn't bring like some sort of an eye cover to
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  Speaker 2: sleep with. And and I just can't tell you, like
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  Speaker 2: how hard and good I slept up there, like really
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  Speaker 2: even with call over myself. And it's just clean air
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  Speaker 2: and lots of space. Man, It's magical, magical.
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  Speaker 1: How do you sleep with no ye cover?
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  Speaker 2: I swear to God, Joe man When it was time
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  Speaker 2: to go to bed, And it started out like bed
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  Speaker 2: was at ten thirty, and then bed was at two
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  Speaker 2: thirty in the morning, and then bed was at three am.
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  Speaker 2: Because you would get as that sun's kind of like
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  Speaker 2: making this low orbit. I'm sure you've seen like the
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  Speaker 2: time lapses of the sun like kind of does a
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  Speaker 2: little dip. Yeah, you get this like hazy, gorgeous light
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  Speaker 2: that you just wanted to stay up and see. But
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  Speaker 2: I'd close my eyes and and I could see like
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  Speaker 2: the sun going down to darkness and in my brain
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  Speaker 2: because it was just time to go to bed. It
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  Speaker 2: was really bizarre. And then if I had to wake
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  Speaker 2: up for something, it was bright light and I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: figure out why. Yeah, but I mean it was so cathartic.
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  Speaker 2: Man like, we've been running so hard and because of
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  Speaker 2: this public lands battle that we've been in, I think
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  Speaker 2: most people are like, oh, yeah, it just popped up
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  Speaker 2: last week and then we crushed it in big win
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  Speaker 2: and a little larger group of people or smaller group
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  Speaker 2: of people, it is like, oh, it started in the
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  Speaker 2: house about six weeks ago, and then there's a real
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  Speaker 2: small group of people who are like August twenty fourth,
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  Speaker 2: the state of Utah submitted a lawsuit for the United
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  Speaker 2: States Supreme Court to take eighteen and a half million
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  Speaker 2: acres of BLM land in Utah. August twenty twenty four
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  Speaker 2: is when we were like, oh my god, we got
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  Speaker 2: to be on top of this. This is what's coming.
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  Speaker 2: Trump's going to win the election. It's going to set
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  Speaker 2: all these things up and we're going to be in
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  Speaker 2: this fight. And people were like, I don't even know
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  Speaker 2: why you're talking about this. This isn't a big deal. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: it is a big deal, this is happening.
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  Speaker 1: Well, it's such a slippery slope too. This is what
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  Speaker 1: people don't know or don't appreciate. If you say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: it's only like one million acres, we'll sell off one
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  Speaker 1: million acres. It will help fix the debt. No, it's not.
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  Speaker 1: The debt's thirty seven trillion dollars. You're not going to
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  Speaker 1: fix the debt by selling off public land. And if
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  Speaker 1: you open up that slippery slope to these fucking vampire developers,
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  Speaker 1: they're going to keep doing it. They're going to keep
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  Speaker 1: sucking on that blood until there's nothing left, until it's
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  Speaker 1: just the National Parks. Oh we preserved Yellowstone.
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  Speaker 2: Oh great, and that quite literally, you know, Like Mike
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  Speaker 2: Lee is like the figure ahead of this. Yeah, right now,
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  Speaker 2: he's on the record saying we're going to sell everything.
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  Speaker 2: We need to sell everything. That's the plan. We're going
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  Speaker 2: to retain the National Parks and maybe a couple other
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  Speaker 2: things like And he's been on the record for damn
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  Speaker 2: near twenty years saying this stuff.
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  Speaker 1: Is who's paying him?
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot, there's a lot there right like where
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  Speaker 2: he grew up in Utah.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of like, well, that's where I say
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  Speaker 1: chaf Fitz is from, right, Yeah, and he was the
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  Speaker 1: he was the guy we were fighting a few years ago.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's exactly why I had dug this shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Out, Joe. I got one of those somewhere. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wore this shirt on your show the last time
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  Speaker 2: this shit was happening.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, that's right. It was happening back then.
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  Speaker 1: That was like what five years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, I mean you're still in California and it was.
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  Speaker 1: Five years ago I moved here, So how to be
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  Speaker 1: six or seven years ago?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly right. And it's just it's cyclical. Yeah, And
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  Speaker 2: I swear to god people didn't pay attention to this
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  Speaker 2: Utah lawsuit we were. I went back to DC for
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  Speaker 2: you know, Steve's on the board for Teddy Roosevelt Conservation
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  Speaker 2: Partnership TRCP. They have a policy meeting that I tried
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  Speaker 2: to go to twice, two or three times a year,
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  Speaker 2: and wh I was in there with all these people
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  Speaker 2: that are super smart and went to school for all
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  Speaker 2: this stuff, and a couple of us were like, why
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  Speaker 2: is nobody Why is nobody talking about this? Why is
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  Speaker 2: nobody concerned about this, and then this idea of selling
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  Speaker 2: public lands got really conflated with like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: if you talk about anything that's going on with the
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  Speaker 2: federal government, you're anti Trump. And it was just this
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  Speaker 2: ultra politicized hot Potato're like, no, no, no, public lands,
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  Speaker 2: they're for everybody, Like this is a non partisan thing.
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  Speaker 2: We've been talking about it since August. Here's this lawsuit,
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  Speaker 2: like they're selling land that belongs to everybody, doesn't matter
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  Speaker 2: what state you're in. And then like the next DOMINOFL
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  Speaker 2: and a bunch of states and counties signed on amicus
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  Speaker 2: brief for that Utah lawsuit, which is like a friend
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  Speaker 2: of the court filing, because they wanted to get in.
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  Speaker 2: Like stuff's going up for free or cheap fire sale,
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  Speaker 2: they wanted to be in on it. And then the
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  Speaker 2: next dominofl which was, oh, Mike Lee's getting pulled into
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  Speaker 2: the White House and he's cutting deals and we know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what's on his mind. And it was literally just
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  Speaker 2: like this opening in the world where nobody's talking about
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  Speaker 2: eighteen and a half million acres, So what if we
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  Speaker 2: started talking about two hundred million acres or five hundred
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  Speaker 2: million acres and it just like totally kicked the door
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  Speaker 2: open to this whole Enchilada fire sale. And had the
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  Speaker 2: dude not been as greedy, people may not have gotten
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  Speaker 2: as fired up about it. But you know, kind of
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  Speaker 2: thank god he did.
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  Speaker 1: So who's paying him? Man?
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: I think, and I'm not an expert on this, there's
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  Speaker 2: there's some like real ideology here, like Mormon Church ideology.
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's like a billion people in the Mormon Church,
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  Speaker 2: so not everybody things like this billion. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: what the number is, there's a lot. It's wasn't it
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  Speaker 2: like the the most fastest growing religion there for a while?
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  Speaker 1: Is it because you get extra chicks? What is the deal?
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of pretty people. There's a lot of
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  Speaker 2: pretty people. Man, that's a hook for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Well. I have a friend who lives in Salt Lake
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  Speaker 1: and he said that, like they'll literally send hot girls
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  Speaker 1: to try to recruit people. Yeah, they knock on your
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  Speaker 1: door and they're hot.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I can't blame him. We're going with what works, right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean also in terms of like it's a weird religion, right,
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  Speaker 1: because here, what's the number here? Seventeen million global member,
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  Speaker 1: global memories global seventeen millions. You were off by a
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  Speaker 1: few hundred yeah, few hundred million.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.
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  Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four they reached a twenty seven year high. Wow,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: significant surge and convert baptisms in twenty twenty four. I
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  Speaker 1: wonder what those hot girls going door to door. But
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  Speaker 1: there's the nicest people. They are the fucking nicest. Mormons
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  Speaker 1: are the nicest. I had a few neighbors that were
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  Speaker 1: Mormons when I lived in California. They are my favorite people.
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  Speaker 1: I got all the people in a weirdo religion.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: I got asked I was fishing down in Louisiana. It
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: was a super grumpy old fishing guide and he's like, hey, Calhan,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: what do you think about Muslims? And I kind of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: put the flyer ond down for a second and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, where.
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  Speaker 1: Are we going go with this?
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  Speaker 2: I was like, like all of them? Yeah, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: there's a lot of Muslims, Bud, like, all all of them.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, what do you think about Louisiana's like all
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  Speaker 2: of them? Right right, I'm like, come on that. Yeah what,
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some really good ones and I'm sure
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  Speaker 2: there are some real bad ones and everything in between.
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  Speaker 2: Like all humans, yeah, kind of like all humans. So
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  Speaker 2: on the the Mormon church side of things, there's you know,
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  Speaker 2: there's some doctrine, some church doctrine that says that the
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  Speaker 2: land is put here for the benefit of the people.
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  Speaker 2: And you're basically, and I'm very much paraphrasing here, you're
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  Speaker 2: you're spighting God if you're not developing that land for profit,
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  Speaker 2: like for the profit of the people. And so there
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  Speaker 2: is a strong theory that Mike Lee is is he Mormon, yes,
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  Speaker 2: is so indoctrinated into this part of the church that
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  Speaker 2: this is like his divine mission.
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: That's a problem, right.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: And so yeah, I mean it's really religious zelotry, right.
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: I was not aware of that.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: And so but again, like that doesn't have to be
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: representative of the entire religion. And to the people that
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: I hang out with that are Mormon, it's absolutely not right.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: They they're like public lands that are set aside for
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: multiple use, don't get locked up, don't get developed in
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: certain ways, are the best thing.
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: But and this is something that just like has got
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: to get talked about. Mike Lee is like very much
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: in power. He is the the chair, he's a senior senator.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: He is the chair of the Energy and Natural Resources
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Committee in the Senate. And like I said, he starts
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: getting drug into the White House, he starts consolidating power,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: and he starts telling everybody, hey, I'm gonna put this
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: amendment in and you better not go against it or
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: else for the next six years, which is technical. As
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: long as Republicans stay in power, he's not going to
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: lose his chairmanship of the Energy and Natural Resources Committee.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: As long as he's there, none of their stuff is
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: going to be read because it's the chair that decides
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: what they're going to review, what they're going to look
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: at and what they're going to pass. So here's this
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: dude who is leveraging everything for his personal thing, and
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: he had his shot and he took it. And fortunately
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: people started cluing in and there was enough of an
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: on ramp that there was a blowback literally in every
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: every state, all fifty states. People wrote in to first
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: their representatives, then their senators, and it created enough of
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: a oh my god, this is going to set back
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: the entire big beautiful bill. This is only one part
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: of the dumpster fire that is the Big Beautiful Bill,
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: but it's gonna take this whole thing off the tracks.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And that's that's why it's killed.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Lee issued a statement which is like a gut shot
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: if you're in my position, who've been like tracking this thing,
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: you know since August, and you know it said, oh,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: I listened to the American people, right, Well, he rewrote
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: the language. He and his team his staff rewrote the
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: language four different times to get it past the Senate parliamentarian.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: It did pass, And you don't do that if you're
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: listening to the American people, right The American people, by
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: the end of this were very united in saying not
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: one acre. It started as not one acre in the
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: budget reconciliation process, which is you know, part of what
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: they're doing here in the big beautiful bill, or is
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: what they're doing. And the phrasing there really matters, right, Like,
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: we have systems in place for land sales, legal framework,
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: those both of those, you know, it's acronyms, government acronyms, flipma, flittna,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and the revenues from land sales go back in to
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: acquiring land of greater value. There's all these acts since
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: seventeen eighty one, all of these acts for the disposal
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: of federally managed land, and that those two that I
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: named or are the most recent, and they're designed to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: maybe not retain the same acreage, but provide the most
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: value to the American people. And what Lee was doing
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: in this reconciliation process was completely circumventing that. And as
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: you mentioned, like nobody, no citizen in the United States
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: is going to feel any change from dumping one hundred
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: million dollars into the federal treasury right now, and that's
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: where the money.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Was going going forward in the future. How do we
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: make sure that this never happens again. Do we have
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to just keep doing this every few years when it
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: comes up.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, and that's like the best thing
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: that could have come out of this, Like we are
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: going to make We made this huge stink right from
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: all the different buckets that politicians pay attention to, right,
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: all the different user groups, Democrats, Republicans, independents, everybody came
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: together and more than likely a shipload of people, the
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: thirty six percent of Americans who didn't vote in the
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: last election probably chose to spoke, speak up some large
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: percentage of them and said no public land sales. Hopefully
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: that created enough of you know, what they call in
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Washington is like a third rail issue. It's like doesn't
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: matter what side of the aisle you're on, you can't
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: have this as part of your agenda because you're going
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: to get shot down.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: That's that's like the near term win, because that feeling
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: won't last forever. There's a peace of legislation out of
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: Ryan Zinki's office, who's our Montana congressman, and he was
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: actually started as Secretary of the Interior under Trump in
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: his first term. Zinky has this Public Lands and Public
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: Hands Act, and it would not have prevented what just happened,
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: this budget reconciliation thing, but it does put some more
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: guardrails around the sale of federally managed land, and that
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: would be like a really positive thing. However, just like
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: he explained, like Mike Lee's position in the Senate, it
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: would have to get through him, like it's got he's
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: got to be circumvented. There's no way he's gonna vote
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: for something like this, and it's got to go through
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: the House. And everything I've heard about on the House
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: committees is there's some people there that don't want to
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: see this thing happen. So more people are signing on
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to the Public Lands and Public Hands Act, which is
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: awesome show of support. Senator Heinrich out of New Mexico's
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: got it written for the Senate. No Republican co sponsors.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: He needs Republican co sponsors in the Senate just to
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: get the ball rolling there. But we still have like
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: these knuckleheads that are saying, if you didn't vote for
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: my thing, I won't let a single good thing happen
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: for the next six years that goes, you know, provided
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: they don't get removed somehow somewhere.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really interesting when you see these bills, because
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: these bills are like I think they read the entire
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: bill on the floor and it took fourteen hours. No
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: one was there. They just read it to an empty
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: audience because nobody sat around for fourteen hours. So what
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: was it? Nine hundred pages? Yeah? Yeah, yeah, just like
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: who's how are you signing off on things that I
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: know you're not reading? Like how crazy is that that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: this is a part of our process of government? Is
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: that they passed these bills that have all sorts of
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: weird shit piled into them, good things and bad things
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: all together, and you have to figure out, like how
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: much of the bad stuff do you allow? Because you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: want the good stuff and they all have to make
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: these weird, shady fucking deals.
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I got that text, the official text,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: you know, essentially as soon as it came out and
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: public land sales were page two O two, So I
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: just went straight to page two O two and read
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: through the new language to see what because it was
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: another revision by Mike Lee to see if he could
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: get that thing passed. It was just typical crap, like
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: he's not listening to anybody, He's still pushing his agenda.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: So when he revised it. What were the revisions and
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: why did he put those revisions in?
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: So he started at US Forest Service land and BLM land.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: Which would be how many acres all told, well.
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It would have been a possible like five hundred million
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: acres area in eleven western states, and I want to
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: say it would have been two to three million acres
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: actually sold within five years. So you're identifying out of
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: five hundred million. Then you're narrowing it down to two
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: to three million acres of forest service in BLM land,
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: and then you know, he says it's for housing.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: It's for housing, but a lot of that is nowhere
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: near development.
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: A lot of it's nowhere near development. And the language
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: of the text, even on the very last revision where
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: he's supposed to be listening to American peoples, and he
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: did throw in the word hunters. There, hunters, I'm listening
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: to you. It says like bullet point one must be
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: near existing infrastructure, and then bullet point number seven, I
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: think it was was like or very hard fire away
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: and hard to manage.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: Right, which is all the rest?
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like somewhere in between here.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: That's so crazy. That's such a crazy piece of language
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: or far away and hard to manage, so all of.
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: It, Yeah, exactly like it, just it's so vague he
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: wants to get it through. And then there's super fun
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: language in there too, where it's like, okay, right, if
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: your first refusal is going to be state, then local
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: government tribes in there, and then the only other group
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: would have been land owners within the checkerboard pattern how
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: we have like that, you know, grid system of federal
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: land ownership and private landownership. Those landowners could also purchase
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: more than anybody else would have been allowed to purchase,
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: so state local than your tribes and local landowners. So
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: basically like a huge handout to you know, like you
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: know the corner crossing case that we've been talking about, right,
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: iron Bar Holdings, they would have just purchased all those
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: checkerboard pieces.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: And allowed corner crossing to people. So what corner crossing
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: is is like, say, if there's an enormous piece of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: public land, but the only way you can get to
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it is to cross or a very small corner of
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: private land. For the longest time, that was prohibited, and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: you'd get arrested. So you couldn't you get arrested for trespassing,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you know, and we're talking about like a couple of feet.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Oh not. I mean we're talking about something so small
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: you can't even possibly see it, right, That's that's why
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: it's been It's like a theory, right. It's it's like
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: for all the physics majors out there, right, it's like
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that game of like, well, how do you get someplace?
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: If you only go fifty percent of the way, right,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: you'll you keep going fifty percent and fifty percent and
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: fifty percent. It's like a theory whereas in reality, like
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: all it is is a footstep. Yeah, like you're going
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: to cross that corner in a footstep, and we know
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: where corners come together because it's right here. But that
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: theory thing is like, well, the and then the airspace
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: all the way down to the center of the earth
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: and to the heavens is how it's written.
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: The crazy thing is like you could legitimately do it
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: in a hop, so you would never have stepped foot
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: My ninety seven year old grandma who's hooked up to
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: an oxygen tank could have stepped across, Like I mean,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: it's we're not talking about a feet.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we're not talking about like a football field that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you have to cross. No, no, we're talking about like
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: a couple of inches. Yep. So just so nuts.
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's it's infuriating, is what it is. So just
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: like on your your checkerboard at home, pick any four
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: corners that come together where the two reds, imagine those
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: are public and the two blacks are private.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Here it is there, explain it right there. So those
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: little tiny spots in the corner you were not supposed
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: to cross, right, it's just so crazy. Yes, that is
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: so bananas that that was a real issue. And look
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: at this no trespassing.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and so that's really the corner right there.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, then nuts, like that little spot no trespassing, That
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: little tiny gate is all you need. Those two posts
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that are in the ground, those two signs to prevent
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: people from accessing land. That's theirs. So that is where
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: the corner is. Yep. So if you go through that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: little thing, that little area right there, you're breaking the law,
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: which is fucking insane.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: And now currently in the state of Wyoming. And I
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: got to give a shout out to Wyoming back country
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: hunters and anglers for having the spine and the backbone
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to bring this help bring the people who were caught
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: and prosecuted for corner crossing, you know, and support them financially.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: We did a ton of meat eater too to help
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: that legal case. It went to the state court, then
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, and then the Ninth District Court, and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the last I heard is iron Bar now wants to
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: take it too, you know, the Supreme Court of the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: United States, Scotus and have which is ultimately really good.
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: We always joke that we're going to send ol fred Eshelman,
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: the owner iron Bar like a public landowner T shirt,
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: because he's going to make this stuff public for everybody,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: because it's going to be right now. There's only two
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: federal cases that have defined corner crossing. They're both in
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: favor of the people of the United States, so you
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: can legally step across, shocking, i know, from one piece
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: of public to the next piece of public. And then
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: if and when this thing makes it to the Supreme Court.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: The only reason he hasn't filed is because of this stuff.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: With Mike Lee, right, it would have solved all of
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: his problems. He would have just purchased those checkerboard pieces
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: of BLM land within his ranch bounce and just been
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: done with it. Yeah, right, and that's really there's a
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: lot of those pieces in a lot of states, and
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: states actually fund the ability to trespass for hunting on
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of those landlocked pieces and to create easements.
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. Yeah, and you know, but it's typically done
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: through like the state wildlife agencies where you get an
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: easement so people can go out there, as if you've
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: got a conservation license, you can go hunt out there.
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  Speaker 1: I could imagine how a long time ago you would
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: get a lot of confusion and it would lead to
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: people trespassing accidentally on public land or on private land
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: rather because we're looking at maps, you know, and people
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: would be you know, one hundred yards to the left,
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: one hundred yards to the right, and maybe not good navigators.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: But now when you have things like like go hunt
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: on x Spartan Forge, all these apps that hunters use
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: now that use GPS, you're one hundred percent accurate.
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Like law enforcement agencies are using those same things so
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: they can be on the same page as the hunter,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: access seeker or whatever.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: You want to say, it's super easy to follow. Yeah,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and there's no worries at all about encroaching on private land. Yeah.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And also it's like what's the harm, right, Like, when
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: you sue somebody, you have to establish what the impact is,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: what the harm is. And in these cases that went
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: to the Supreme courts, they're like, well, what what are
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: the damages? Explain to me what the damages are, right,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: And they really can't.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Right, there's no damages. They just don't want hunters on
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: their property. People that have a lot of land for
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: whatever reason. I guess it's how they acquire a lot
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: of land in the first place. A lot of them
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: are fucking greedy.
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: Well there's something right, yeah, yeah.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: But that's a greedy thing. Like you have eight hundred
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: acres and there's just like a little sliver and you're like.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: No, can't have that mine?
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: I know mine.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: And and then I mean there's absolutely wonderful humans on
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: the spectrum.
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: This dude that I grew up with, we guided on
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: parts of his place growing up. Right when I got
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: my first ever GPS and the on X was a
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: card that you inserted into your GPS. He used to
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: come pick me up so I could open the gates
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: for him, and then he just bs and it was amazing.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: And we'd drive all over eastern Montana, all on his
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: property and his name was Leo Salf, Leo Solf, and
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: we came up to this fence line and I was like,
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: it's like, Leo, did you know that this brand new
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: fance is one hundred feet on your side of the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: property line? And this was a whole section, right, So
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: it ran for a mile and he goes, Ryan, can't
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: own the whole world and just didn't say another thing
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: about it, like not worth me worrying about.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, how many acres did he have?
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Like thirty thousand?
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: That's a rational gentleman.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, right, exactly.
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: Somebody fucked up.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: There's people on the other side too, you know, And
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: that's like that old rancher mentality of like, you know what,
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: there's gonna be a fire and we're all gonna need
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: to get together and help each other out and maybe
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: I'll talk to him then about it, or you know whatever.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Calving season, harvest season, all the things that bring those
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: communities together, These very independent people, they got to work
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: together at different times of the year, and that's like
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: kind of a beautiful thing. You can only be so much.
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: Of a dick, right.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: But then there's that other side now where it's like,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna patrol my property from Florida via drone and
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna hot dial the Sheriff's department anytime I see
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: anything that looks like stepping over that property line, right,
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: whether it's to fix a fence that I'm not there
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: to fix, or get your cattle off of my property,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: I'm calling the sheriff. And that that exists too, sure, right, yeah,
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: And it's that community breakdown which is horrifying to me,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: but also man like people don't understand the jobs that
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: these lands do, right, and like you're saying, like the
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: urban folks where that state comes from, where their groceries
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: come from. It's not the grocery store, like there should
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: be an instructional video before you can enter the supermarket,
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: you know, because it takes space. It takes this land,
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and we think people think in terms of like, oh,
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: a million's big number.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: Let's say it.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: We do have six hundred and forty million acres of
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: public land, right, Well, there's like one point two billion
• 41:34
  Speaker 2: acres of land in the US set aside specifically for agriculture,
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: and I think some like private timberland falls in that too, right,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: So that's that's private land one point two billion where
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: the bulk of our food's coming off. Ideally on the
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: public land side of the fence, we have grazing leases,
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: so you can run cattle and sheep on public ground
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: a minimal I would say, a very minimal fee for that,
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: right it's based out off of an animal on that
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: ground for a month animal unit month AUM. And on
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: our public ground that's like a dollar I want to say,
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: it's a dollar thirty five per animal unit month. And
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: just in the state of Montana it just got dropped again,
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: but it hit as high as twenty four dollars animal
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: unit month. So if you have those federal leases, it's
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: a big thing that you want to protect too, right,
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: So you have to in theory show that stewardship aspect
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: out there on the on the public land because everybody
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: can come check it out to retain your ability to
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: keep running cattle out their sheep or whatever it is.
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: What's going on with that American prairie savanna, the American
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: prairie thing.
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's in the home state of Montana, you know,
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: I wish Yeah. So basically the fear is it's going
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: to be a privatized national park that people aren't going
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: to be able to go out on. Well, I don't
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: think that's true. It might be it is a bunch
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: of private philanthropic dollars, a lot of which is coming
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: from overseas. I think that the Dutch have somehow, some
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: way dumped a bunch of cash in there, and it
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: is to connect a bunch of private land and Bureau
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: of Land Management land out there bl M into one
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: contiguous chunk, remove as many fences as you can, and
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: allow that chunk of prairie to basically revert back to
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: its natural state with natural species. Uh. The American buffalo
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: being like, they're there their big goal species right, They're
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: raising They've been done an incredible jobb raising cash to
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: get this done. They're they're purchasing these places, they would say,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: at fair market value. There's a big argument there because
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: they have so much money, they're they're going to win
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: a bidding process. So is it really fair? Is what
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the local ranchers would say. But right now and knock
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: on wood for as long as they exist, they're going
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: to keep providing public access. And they have a really
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: good public access program, so they can work with the
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: State of Montana for our private land public access program
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: where you know, you can sign up either at just
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: like a Kiosk type deal, sign in box and walk
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: out on their place. But then they have like yurts
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: that you can rent and they.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: So the Kiosk is just it's just set up as
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: you get there and you just put in your name
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: and what time you go in there, and do you
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: have to have any kind of ID that you put
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: in there? Nothing?
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: No, No, I mean the State of Montana want to
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: ask for your license plate number and your your home
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: address and phone number and that's it. So and then
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: it's I mean, they have a lot of gorgeous ground, honestly,
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: you know, and we did our big float in Montana.
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: They own some of that property now that that runs
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: right up to the Missouri right there around cal Island
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: is kind of where we took out real close to there,
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: and they own i mean, they own some of the
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: stuff that we hiked around on Oh wow, yeah, yeah,
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: but they're there. Their vision is to have this big
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: contiguous chunk and have it run like uh, you know,
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: pre European civilization here on the North American continent.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it's I mean, it's gorgeous stuff. And
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: they they provide for some buffalo hunts out there, so
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: you can draw a tag and go out and shoot
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: a year linge or an old bull and they give
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: you it's not like a hand hold thing.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: When they say an old bull, how do you determine
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: just by sheer size? Just size? Yeah, So you have
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: to be experienced, you have to know what you're doing.
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they'll they'll give you some some classes and
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: some pointers, but they don't hold your hand and say, hey,
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: come shoot this one where it's like here's this information,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: return it when you're done, rules the ranch, all that stuff,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: go through this gate, enjoy it, leave it how you
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: found it type of thing. So and I've I've never
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: done it myself, but people have had really fantastic experiences
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: out there doing that. And obviously that's an absolute shitload
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: of meat, right Oh yeah.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: And if they do that widespread, like what is the
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: ultimate goal? Like how much land are we talking about?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: And like are they bringing animals in or are they
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: allowing the existing animals to breed, and like, how are
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: they doing it?
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: So, yes to allowing the existing animals to breed, and
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: yes to bring the animals in, so they're coming out
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: of the I think the Yellowstone population more than anything.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: And then they work with the local tribes up there
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: to kind of bring those animals in, and some go
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: to the tribe and then some go stay on the prairie,
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I think is how it goes. And then the reason
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: that they're allowing for these old bulls to be shot
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: is because they're no they're no longer breeding, right.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting if you ever read Dan Floores his
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: piece on American buffalo. Yeah, Buffalo diplomacy, was it Buffalo ecology?
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: Buffalo diploma?
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So as the I read the American serengetti that.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's great too what his theory is. And I
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: think it's valid that the time where they saw millions
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: of buffalo was because the Native Americans had been wiped
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: out by disease. This is the the idea is that
• 48:52
  Speaker 1: there was never a time where there were that many bison,
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: and the reason why there were that many bison was
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: because the Native Americans were hunting them anymore, because they
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: were ninety percent of them were wiped out by disease.
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: That's why when they you know, made their way across
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: and I guess it was like the early.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: Eighteen hundreds, oh, like Lewis and Clark.
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, when they saw millions and millions of bison. The
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: reason for that.
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Was that human predator population was in a trough. Yeah, exactly,
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: and it allowed the bison to be in a spike.
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, because weally make sense.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, it totally makes sense. Yeah, because yeah, we always
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: have those conversations about like when would be the best
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: time to go back if you could, right? And and
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: also how could it be that that big total buffalo
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: population number that always gets thrown out there was really
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: on the landscape.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: Right, Like why wasn't there a balance of predator and
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: prey where there always is if it was really natural? Right,
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: it does make sense.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, it totally. I mean humans have been stirring the forever.
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: That's why it drives me insane when people are like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: well before people, yeah, fuck, I'm like, well what are
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: you talking about? One that doesn't get us anywhere?
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: Right now? Right before, people's the dumbest fucking argument ever.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: They were here first, Well, this is the argument they
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: use with wolves, you know, like they were here first, Like,
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, just shut the fuck up. Stop stop, No,
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: they weren't. First of all, I love people, Okay, I'm
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: only concerned with when people were around. So before people
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: fuck off, you want to kill all the people off
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: so the wolves can run things Like, what are you
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: even saying?
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: Right, what are we going to learn from a pre
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: human time?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make any sense. And there was obviously some
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: sort of an imbalance that led to these enormous populations
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: of bison. And I think Dan Flores is an incredibly
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: brilliant guy. I think he makes a really compelling argument
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: because we do know that the Native Americans were wiped out,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: that ninety percent of them were killed off by disease.
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: We know that that's we're talking about millions of people.
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: And if millions of people were subsistent hunters, and you
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: know they were riding around, living off the buffalo, following
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: them around, which we know they did, completely makes sense,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: especially when you take into account the long gestation period.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: You know that bison, I think they have to be
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: pregnant for a long time, right.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: Boy, I don't know about that one, but.
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: Willie Mammoth, I know is a long time.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I'm sure it was, because yeah, that was African elephants.
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what is a what is a buffalo?
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Gestation period? Nine months? So like a person. Yeah, very
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: different than like a deer, very different than a lot
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: of other animals.
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's badass seeing those things out there, Like,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, it really really is, because there's some party
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: like your whatever people call it these days, your lizard
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: brain or whatever. Yeah, where like you know that that's
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: their home, right, and then you see that thing on
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: that landscape and something just clicks and you're like, holy shit,
• 52:01
  Speaker 2: pretty cool. Oh, it's amazing.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: It's pretty cool. Just to see him in Yellowstone, yeah,
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: you know, which is kind of weird. But yeah, the
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: Yellowstone thing is weird. I went there a few years
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: back with my family and it's really beautiful and I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: enjoyed it, but I did not like the fact that
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: all the elk were hanging out at the visitor station
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: because they know they can't be hunted there and they
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: know the wolves won't go there. It was real weird.
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: They're like so domesticated. They're just like thirty yards away
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: from a fucking vending machine. You see this big herd
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: of elk just laying down on the ground staring at
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: people and people taking selfies with the animals. I'm like, eh,
• 52:37
  Speaker 1: I don't know about this.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: I know, I know, yeah, habituated as shit because a
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: lot of my biologist friends would say, yeah, it's the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: National Park system, right, is like it's an absolute wonderful thing.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: I know. There's lots of dedicated civil servants within the
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: National Park System that bust their asses educating folks, but
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: they just can't keep up.
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: Have you ever seen the Instagram page Torn's of Yellowstone?
• 53:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, doing God's work right there.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Darwin in action if you go to it. So
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: like people just getting launched through the air by bison. Yeah,
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: and god, how do they not know by now? I mean,
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: how do you not know that you can't get.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Because of the exact exact thing you're describing. They're like, oh,
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: it's on the tour right, It's like it's fortunately they've
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: trained the bison to stand right next to the visitor
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: information sign or the bull elk or whatever. Right, It's
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: like this just is the way it's supposed to be.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: And then they'll walk right up to it to try
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: to get us healthie. Yeah, it's fucking here's one. Oh wow, happens. Well,
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: that's fucking way that guy should be standing there. If
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: I was that guy, I would be in that car
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: as fast as I could. I'll climbing through the passenger side,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: like the fuck this because danger do not approach wildlife.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: I went up to watch the bison hunting season there
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: in Yellowstone and the gardener entrance south or north entrance
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: to the park, and a bunch of the tribes were
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: down doing their harvest, and I was riding with Montana
• 54:29
  Speaker 2: Fish Wilife and Parks got to do a little ride
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: along and it was the most successful hunt they've ever had.
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: So this was three years ago. Now tons of snow
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: in the park. Some old cow bison decided to just
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: lead everybody out, and there's like hunt rosters, so you
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: draw your bison tag, but then you can also be
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: on a list in case those tags get filled, which
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: they never do, but this year it did happen. And
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: then all the tribe just came up for their harvest
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: and it was amazing, like there were people knocking buffalo
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: down everywhere, and in fact so many that they had
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: to come up with a system to where they'd be
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: like okay, between daylight and like nine am, nobody's gonna
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: walk beyond this line. Let every because, let everybody shoot,
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: and then we'll all go out together and start cutting
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: up bison and get them out of there, and then
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: the next round of hunters can can have at it. It
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: was like a safety issue. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: Is this actually on the park?
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: No, so this is it's called the zone of tolerance,
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: which is a creepy, creepy name if you're asking me.
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: Zone of tolerance. So all the states Idaho, Montana, Wyoming
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: that's around Yellowstone National Park, they have the cattle producers
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: have real fears of brucellosis, which is a disease that
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: that bison and elk pack around and it causes domestic
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: cattle to abort calves, so hurts them in the pocketbook.
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: Bad deal. Well, they want slash need to reduce bison
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: populations within the park. Can't hunt inside the park. But
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: at the same time, all the cattleman associations they don't
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: want those bison coming out of the park. So what
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: do you do. Well, they came up with the zone
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: of tolerance idea, which is a hunting parameter perimeter around
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: the park. They remove all the domestic cattle from within
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: that zone, and then the bison if they come out
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: of the park into that zone, they're fair game for hunters.
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: If they make it beyond that zone somehow some way,
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: then anybody can shoot one. And but but typically there's
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: like a brand inspector there to take care of any
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: bison that make it beyond the border of the zone
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: of tolerance.
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: Even by brand inspector.
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: What does that mean, cattle brandy?
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so how does that work?
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: Well, so he's an agent of the state, and he
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: is there to in this particular case, like protect the
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: interest of the cattleman's associations cattle ranchers, right, and so yeah, somehow,
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: some way he's authorized to whack those bisons if they
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: make it beyond.
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: But really, what and what do they do with the meat?
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: It gets donated to? Any one of those those tribal
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: members that that's there probably has right of first refusal
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: at least if not, it goes would go straight to
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: the food pantry. Yeah, I mean, no no waste. And
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: in years past there's been groups that go up there
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: just to go pull all anything that's left in the field,
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the bones stuff like that for making stock. There's groups
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: that go up there and and literally like take the
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: carcasses off the ground, because it is like highly sought
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: after food stuff, right, it's a lot of bone broth
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: you can make with the two thousand pound crater. Hmm yeah, wow, Yeah,
• 58:32
  Speaker 2: that was an amazing experience. And like the each tribe
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: brings their own tribal game warden with them. They're kind
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: of like in charge of their people. They're coordinating to
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: maximize the harvest, and so they're they're helping, very willing
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: to help people like coordinate to get their animal and
• 58:55
  Speaker 2: get out of the field so they can get the
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: next person in there. And that's that's part of the
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: system outside of trapping. So they trap inside the park
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: and then they'll take those animals, move them to a
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: separate facility where they go through I can't remember how
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: long of a period of monitoring for brucellosis, and then
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: once that herd is the trapped herd is considered brucellosis free,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: then they can be given to the tribes.
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: Or sold interesting. So that's how when people have bison
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: on private land, that's how they get them there.
• 59:36
  Speaker 2: I mean there's a couple other populations, but yeah, yep,
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: that's one of them.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: And what's the population of bison in the United States?
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: Now, I don't know. I mean, I think they're gunning
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: for six thousand just inside the park.
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: What do they have now?
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know, Jamie, you'd have to look that up.
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: Weird. Oh, I don't know.
• 59:59
  Speaker 4: It says made it around five hundred thousand, smaller portion
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 4: thirty one thousand managed, and then like sixth grand and Yellowstone. Yeah,
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: it's very varying numbers though.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Boy, they came so close to being wiped down.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's so wild. It's so really is crazy, so wild.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: I was staring at I was like, Jeff, was the
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: deal with this skull? You're bison antiquis skull that you
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: have out there? That thing is amazing.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: That's from my friend John Reeves in Alaska.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was wondering. Yeah, I was wondering about the boneyard. Yeah.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that place is nuts.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: For a dude who likes to pick stuff off the ground,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: that's that's like a porn patch.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's a it's a crazy place and there's
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: no real explanation of why there's such a population of
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: dead animals in this one spot, you know, And he
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: thinks it's connected to the younger Dry's impact theory because
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: there's a very clear distinct line of carbon in his ground,
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: like that you know when you go deep, deep, deep
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: into the ground, which represents where these are. Like a
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: lot of these things that he's pulling, they're plus ten
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: thousand years old, like that step bison head. We didn't
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: get it checked, we didn't have it sent off, but yeah,
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff he has dated, you know, older
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: than ten thousand years. And so what he thinks is
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: that this is one of the areas where there was
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: an impact, you know, this younger Drive's impact theory. There's
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: two time periods. One is around eleven thousand, eight hundred
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: years ago and there's another one somewhere around ten thousand
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 1: plus years ago. And he thinks one of those areas
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 1: is where he was or where his spot in Alaska is,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: and this deep, rich layer of carbon seems to indicate
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: some massive burn that happened through that area, and it
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: coincides with this immense pile of bones and ivory and
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 1: you know, mammoth skeletons and cave bears and all this shit,
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: like it's just small area. You know, his area is
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: only like the area where they're pulling these bones from
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 1: is only a few acres.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: No way, Yeah, he.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: Thinks it was a wash. So with the impact came
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: this immediate melting of a lot of the ice caps,
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: you know, and this is what they think happened that
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: ended the ice age in North America. You know, ten
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: thousand plus years ago, you're looking at more than a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: mile high ice in a giant chunk of North America,
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: and then almost instantaneously that stuff gets melted. And this
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: is this coincize with Randall Carlson's theories about this too,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: which are also was unsubstantiated until they came up with
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: the core samples for the younger dry sandpack there and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: they go, no, this happened like there was a fucking
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: massive impact. Somewhere around thirty percent of the entire world
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: was hit by comets. And this area where John has
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: look at this two point one to two point three acres.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: So if you look at the amount of stuff that
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: he has, I mean, two point three acres is like
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: a nice yard, right, It's like a nice a person's
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: really Oh you got a nice piece of land here,
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: nice yard. That's where he's pulling thousands of dead animals.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: And if you look at his his bone yard, if
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: you look at some of the some of the warehouses
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: that he has. This is his Instagram page. Boneyard, Alaska
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: is the Instagram page. But he's got enormous warehouses filled
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: with tusks. And it's only from a couple of acres.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they didn't walk to that spot and tip over.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: They got exactly.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: They all got exactly and very similar time. Look at
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: all this stuff, man, fucking crazy. And look back at
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: the other picture when you write before, look at that
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: truck filled with heads. I mean, this is nuts, man,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 1: and this is like a day's haul. Oh this is crazy, man,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: It's really crazy. It's really pretty extraordinary. And thankfully John
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: has both the resources and the desire to blast the
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: permafrost with these high pressure hoses to get all this
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: stuff out of there. But I mean, he's trying to
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 1: set up a legitimate research facility out there. You know,
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: these scientists, they want to take the stuff and bring
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: it somewhere. It's like, fuck off. If you want to
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: do it, you're gonna do it, right, here, this is
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: my land. We're not He already had a problem with
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: the Museum of Natural History? Is that what it was? Yeah?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: In New York they dumped tons of his bones into
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: the East River. So the property that he owned before
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: he owned it, someone else owned it, that is his property.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: They took it and they were supposed to do research
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: on it, but they had so many bones that they
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: dumped a lot of it in the East River, and
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: the museum denied it, and so he got divers to
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: go look for it, and they found it exactly where
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: they sat, and they found step bison bones and all
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: kinds of crazy shit that's not supposed to be there
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: in a pile in the East River.
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: When we were looking at the zone of tolerance, not
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: the zone of tolerance, the range sorry of bison of buffalo.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I was thinking of your skull that you have out there,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: But I found a gorgeous one in this wash in Alberta,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: and it would would be like their summer range. So
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: north of the Montana border, not all that far up
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: near the Saskatchewan River breaks, and you get up on
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: these these bluffs that overlook the river and you're like, oh,
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: you just feel like somebody would have been sitting there
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: watching stuff. And then if you look around there's all
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: I mean thousands over a lot of miles, but thousands
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: of teepee rings. So all the tribes would go up
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 2: there to hunt bison and and camp out a little
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: bit of cooler weather. And that's that's where I found
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: this bison skull.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: Did you find the arrowheads up there?
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of them, but you can't can't take
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: anything up there? Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And I called
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: alberta fishing game on this thing because I was so
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: stoked about it, and they were like, oh, we just
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: consider that cattle up here, like you can take it, okay?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: Wow?
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah?
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: How old as a skull? You know?
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: Well it was such a pretty skull. People are like, oh,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: it's got to be bison antiquis, but it's just it's
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: nowhere near that's ama. Is that a freshy did somebody
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: make that?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: Or no, no way, No, that's a comanche head from here.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: That's crazy.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I showed it to Remy and he said it's
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: really big, so they're probably using it for fish.
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, that's amazing.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: It's interesting that the bigger ones like that is like
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: kind of a normal arrowhead for elk or deer, like
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: if in you know today's standards. You know, you look
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: at that, that's like that looks like an iron will.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: That's basically an iron will wide right. Yeah, And they
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: didn't use him that big. They had smaller ones because
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: they didn't have the much real penetration. Yeah.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool. Oh so cool, so cool.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: There's a friend of mine has a ranch out here
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and they've got thousands of them, you know, like the
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Comanche must have used that area, and he has literally
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of our heads. He's got boxes of
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: them all just all of them are dated and certified,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: like they know like what time period they came from.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: And yeah, so like why was that chunk of ground
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: in use for that long, right, if he's got that many, Yeah,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: it's not because one group of people camp there for
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 2: a couple of days.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Those thousands of years probably, but it's because it's really rich.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: You know. It's like it's right off the Colorado River,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: so a lot of resources, a lot of a lot
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: of foliage, a lot of animals there to this day.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's one of the things that you can tell people.
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 2: It's like do you want, you want to know why
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: public lands matter. Ninety seven percent of winter vegetables consumed
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: in the US that are from the US are irrigated
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: by the Colorado River. So if your mommies and daddies
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: are out there eating a nice green salad in the
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: winter months, and all that is fed by water from
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: public lamp, why do we want that shit to be privatized?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like what happens then?
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, Well Bill Gates already owns more farmland
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 1: in this country than anybody.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: You know. I keep hearing that is he doing good
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: stuff with it?
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: There's no way, no, no, there's no way. I can't
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: imagine that.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: What's his angle?
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: Oh well, I know he was in the fucking veggie
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: burger business for a while, but that shit went tits up.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: Dude. I am so anti anti the lab grown And.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well that stuff's not even of real burger. It's
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: filled with oils and all these fucking all this go
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: that you need to make sure that it connects together,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: and then people would pretend that it's delicious. You're kind
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: of a total difference. You can't tell the difference. Where
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 1: are you getting your burgers? Because you're eating cardboard burger.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: This is bullshit. Well, and it's just bad for you.
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: You know. That's where it went tits up when those
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: studies that came out that said it's given lab wrath cancer.
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, I listen. I think it's just bad
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: for all of us because if people think that your
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: food can come from someplace other than the land, then
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: there is no value to that land.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: Well, it's vegetable based, right, but then it's highly processed.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: It's not like, you know, you're eating an eggplant. You know,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: you're not eating a squash. You're you're eating something that's
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: gone through this insane process to make pretend that it's
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: a burger. And you know, there's a lot of investors
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 1: who lost a sh shit ton of money because they
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: were lied to. They were told that this is going
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: to be easy to make and it's going to be
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: really convenient and people are gonna love it, and people
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: are looking for an alternative to meat. No, they're actually
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: they're not, you know, And this was the only thing
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: that was My buddy Duncan h he was living in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: North Carolina and when COVID came and you know, there
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: was a lot of shortages in the supermarkets and the
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: lockdowns and all that jazz. He's like, the only ship
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 1: that's available here is this fucking bullshit fake meat. Like
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: fake meat was the only he set to picture. It
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 1: was the only thing left on the shelf. Was like
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: beyond meat or beyond burger, whatever the fuck it's called
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: impossible burger.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good litmus test, right, Yeah, if the world.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: And people still aren't eating it, it's fucking it's actually
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: bad for you. Seed oils are bad for you, and
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: those things are filled with seed oils and there's also
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: filled with a bunch of process because you can't just
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: it's not you know, look, if you want to be vegetarian,
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: just he vegetables. Okay, don't don't pretend you're eating some
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: fucking fake burger.
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I remember. One of my biggest pet peeves
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: in life of Buddy of Mine was like going down
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: the vegan train and we had to stop in all
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: these towns that had like the best vegan restaurant, and
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, they're they're stealing our names for food, right,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: the meat eater's name for food, and.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 1: Tofurky, oh my god.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it'd be like chicken fingers Ruben sandwich. Yeah, you know,
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, can't you just be proud of what you're
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: putting in your in your body. I don't care if
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: it's just vegetables, but just.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 1: Eat Indian food. There's a lot of like really great
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: Indian restaurants that are totally vegetarian. I used to eat
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: at one that was in Woodland Hills. It was great.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: It was really cool because you'd go in there and
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: everyone was speaking Hindi and nobody, you know, all the like.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: It was like a cafeteria place and all the menus
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: were all in another I had a point at things.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: I didn't know what the fuck it was. I'm like,
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: give me one of those. Tasted great, that was great, Yeah,
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: but it was all vegetarian. Like, there's vegetarian food that
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you can eat that's really good. It doesn't you don't
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: have to pretend that it's a fucking burger.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: It is a mental exercise, right, It's like, no, no, no, love,
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 2: vegetables can't eat meat. Meats evil. I just happened to
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: need all my vegetables to resemble meat.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: Well. And then there's the problem of what actually happens
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: when you have monocrop agriculture because there's a lot of
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: this stuff is coming from that. And by the way,
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: there's way more death per calorie of food that you
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: get from monocrop agriculture, from growing just one crop in
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: an area, than you're ever going to get from meat.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 1: Like there's thousands of animals, millions of animals have to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: get killed for in order you to grow this food.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: That's just a fact of life.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: Well, you use the word convenience earlier, right, Like convenience
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: is like the killer of conservation because it's hard work. Man,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: it's not convenient, like these animals on the landsk that
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: have been doing things for ever, like they just don't
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: adjust to things. You know, I was talking about like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: the prairie, how we're losing two million acres of prairie year. Well,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: there's this super badass little chicken, lesser prairie chicken, super charismatic,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: little dude dances, puts his tail fan up, big cheek
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: flares and game bird used to be in the possibly
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: into the millions in that time that you described when
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: Lewis and Clerk we're coming out onto the prairie. It
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: is a prairie bird to the point where it will
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: not nest within god, I want to say six acres
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 2: of a vertical structure of any size? Interesting, right, So
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: there were no trees on the prairie, no fence posts,
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: and this bird can't nest if it's around any sort
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: of a vertical anything because that's just the way its
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: brain is wired. Whoa, And that ship is so inconvenient
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: for people that it's just hit the endangered species list.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: So is that because it has to be completely away
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: from all predators, that it has to know where everything is.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: I think it's got to be it's got to be
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: something like that. Yeah.
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't fly, it does fly. Does it fly
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: like a chicken does like short periods? No? Does it
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: fly like a turkey.
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: There's like a colloquial you know, hunter name where they
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: just call prairie birds chickens. It's not a chicken at all,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: but it's it's like a little grouse.
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: Species, you see if you pull it up. Yeah.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: So, but it's a great test case for the greater sage.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: Grosse, a cool looking little animal. Oh so, which one
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: is all the same?
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: It's the it's a smaller version of that. That's the
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: greater prairie chicken. We're looking for the lesser prairie chicken.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: So the greater prorie chicken. How big is that?
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: You're looking at? Like sixteen to eighteen ounces. I bet
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: you got a size on that sucker.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 1: That's the big one. So the little one's tiny.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: But ninety five percent of the native habitat left for
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: that bird is on private ground at this point. Oh wow, yeah,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: and that private ground is used for grazing.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: So twenty four ounces to forty two ounces.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's a big one.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Adults.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: That's the greater prairie chicken. What a cool looking little bird.
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: Oh charisma.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: When I was in years, Oh whoa, that's crazy looking
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: rabbit ears. Yeah, how weird.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: There's these awesome group of ranchers kind of in the Colorado, Oklahoma,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: and New Mexico zone and they formed the Lesser Prairie
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Chicken Landowner Alliance, And what they've been trying to do
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: is get because there's this this huge conservation bill, biggest
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: conservation package in the world, called the Farm Bill, and
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: it has a lot of incentive subsidy for his fucking farmers,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: and that thing amazing.
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: I've never seen a bird with ears like that. Oh,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 1: like other than like an owl kind of has some
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: but those are so pronounced.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: How cool is that thing?
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Is that his actual ears or is that just like
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: a weird feather structures.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 2: Are just feathers? Yeah?
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: But where's his ears behind that?
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: They're right behind his eyeballs.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 1: So do you think those that feather structure enhance his hearing?
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: I mean it has to write.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: No, that feather structure there is to enhance his sex life.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: Oh, let the ladies know what's up? Yeah, what's up?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: Looking my ears? Baby? I got it going on over here?
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: Wiggle them or something?
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: Oh they're they dance.
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 1: Interesting? Yeah, and so it's almost kind of a grouse.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: So it is a grouse yeah, ground nesting.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: It's probably also one of those animals that feral cats
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: fuck up.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: Oh for sure, for sure.
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, look how cool it is? Wow? So beautiful looking.
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 1: Look at his eyebrows. Oh yeah, I don't don't get
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: it on. Let's go baby. Yeah, that guy's cockbucking see that? Wow?
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: What a cute little animal.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And uh, this thing is tied to white ass,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: open grass, white ass open prairie. Right, and so with
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: this group, the lesser prairie chicken Landowner Alliance is doing
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: is you know, they're trying to get folks in the
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 2: Department Egg to set up some funding specifically four grassland
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: ecosystems that are used for grazing. So it's gonna be
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: good for the round rancher and good for the grouse
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 2: in this case too, right, And that funding doesn't exist,
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: But there's lots of programs to take like monocrop agriculture
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: and turn it into CRP, which you know, mixed grass
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 2: basically like rest that ground. That was one of the
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 2: programs that came out of the dust Bowl era. So
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: instead of turning the ground over and all that dirt
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: dries out and can get blown away, we lose that
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: top soil, plant it with with grass and let it
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: rest for like a three year period of five year
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: period part of our big Egg incentive structures, balance out
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: markets and all that fun.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, monocrop agriculture is such a problem, and industrial agricultural
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: in general. I had Will Harrison a couple of times
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: from White Oak's Pastures. Yeah, and so his family farm
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: was an industrial farm forever and then when he took
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: it over, it was like a twenty year period of
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: converting it to become regenerative, and in that process, it's
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: really if you look outside in our lobby area, we
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: have two jars of soil that were given to us
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: by will, and one of them is from his neighbour's
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: property that's an industrial farm, and it's just like this weird,
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: pale looking fucking just you know, it's all industrial fertilizer
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: that they have to use and pesticize, and his is
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: like this rich, dark soil. He's like super proud of
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: like what they've turned it and converted it over to
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: just this natural process that's supposed to exist when animals grayze,
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: the undulates, they poop and they make manure and then
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: the grasses grow and the animals eat the grass and
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: it's all that's how it's supposed to be.
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: And we've but you know what else it is inconvenient. Yeah,
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: it's hard fricking work.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, right, it's hard work. Well, fortunately for him,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: he's got a big name now and so people seek
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: out his food, they want to buy from him. But
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: you know, these and there's a lot of like bullshitting
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: from supermarkets, Like he had a real issue with Whole
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: Foods lying and even after he had stopped selling them food.
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 1: They were saying that it was coming from him. Oh yeah, no,
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: oh yeah, oh yeah. Even the concept of like grass fed,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: like for how long? Like and how you feeding them
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: the grass? Are they in a pen? Are you feeding
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the grass? Are they actually wandering around eating grass like
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: they're supposed to. There's a lot of that, you know,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: like when you hear about like chickens, you know they're
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: free range, Like what does that mean? How much of
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: a range?
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I just had dinner with our buddy Jesse last night,
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: and it was insane.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: It was so good. Didwey oh yeah, that's an amazing
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: restaurant here.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: Oh, but we were just I was like, okay, well
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: tell me about this. Tell me about you know, Longhorn
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 2: and what Wagoo means on his menu and all the
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: pigs and the things that he's seeking out and like
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: the breed of chicken that they have, but like you
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: were saying, like it's not just the breed, what's that
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: chicken doing right? And it's insane. It is so freaking
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: cool man, Like it's a heartwarming place to eat, and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 2: it was just like, knock your freaking socks off.
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Jesse does it the right way and he's such
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: a good chef. He's so amazing. When Steve and I
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: went to Utoria down in South Texas to hunt, Jesse
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: came and he cooked for us. It was the most
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: incredible experience because and he cooked diver duck, which everybody
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: says is growth. He's like, no, no, no, it is
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: just you just have to prepare it properly. And it
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: was some of the best stuck I've ever had in
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: my life. He just has a marinating process that he
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 1: does and then he grills it and it was insane.
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: It was so good, man, it was so good. Yeah.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, they got nominated for James Beard on his
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: Turkey book, which is super awesome. The people down there
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: just you know, his employees stay there. They've been there
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 2: for there, Like everybody in that house has been there
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 2: for a decade, and they're just loving the stuff that
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: they're doing and putting out and the stories that he
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: can tell on that menu, right, like the bread is
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, I went and picked grapes out of
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: the alley across the street, which doesn't sound all that great,
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: but that's how he started the yeast for the bread,
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: and that's been going for six years. They got yogurt
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: that came from a culture that's been going from for
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: two hundred years from one of their employees whose families
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: from India, and they brought it over. WHOA, Yeah, I
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: mean just I love that stuff. Yeah, I love that stuff.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: But it takes like dedication and commitment to know where
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 2: your food comes from.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Right right? Yeah.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 2: And I swear to God when I go back to
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: DC and I'm talking to people, like, they are so
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: disconnected from this stuff, and I just often think, I'm like, God,
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: if you guys just knew where the food comes from, right,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: what the land actually provides, Yeah, we wouldn't be having
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 2: these conversations.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: No, I mean, human beings, for the most part, in
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: urban areas are completely disconnected. If you had a survey
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: of how many people really understand where food comes from
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: in your average city, I would imagine it's less than
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: double digits. Oh yeah, it's probably a small percentage of
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: people really understand.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean, I mean the economics of food.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I've gotten really into recently because there is a real
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: inability in certain areas of the country where the cost
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: of getting anywhere near an actual grocery store is prohibitive
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: to a lot of people, and so you know, they're
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: just like they're shit out of luck for a real food.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: And then it's a cultural thing of Mom didn't know
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: what real food was. Dad didn't know what real food was.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: So I don't and my kids won't, you know. And
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 2: then on the flip side of that, it's like food
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: comes from door dash, food comes from you know, people
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 2: spending big bucks and they don't and they're just as
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 2: disconnected as the folks who don't have any bucks to spend.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: Now, imagine the younger drives impact today. Imagine some kind
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: of impact like that today that forced people to actually
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: find their own food. You know, first of all, you'd
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: be dealing with a small amount of survivors.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: Let's let's imagine an apocalypse, apocalyptic scenario where twenty percent
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: of the population survives, which has probably happened numerous times
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: in human history. If that happened today, how many people
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: are equipped to find food? How many people are equipped
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: to live off the land. It's such a small amount.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: Such a small amount. I also think about the anthropologists
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: digging through that bone pile. Oh yeah, and they're like,
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 2: why is it that when we do cross sections of
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: these bones. They's so much more unhealthy than the cross
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: sections of the bones from four thousand years earlier. Late,
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: you know, yeah, yeah, because I think that convenience, convenience, Man,
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: can we love our convenience?
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: Convenience is killings? Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: And I think there's a moment here we had all
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: these different walks of life come together and be like,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 2: oh my god, public lands matter. We had all these
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: businesses come together and say public lands matter. I got
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: to tell you when I was chatting with our buddy
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 2: cam Hands the other day, when I was about to
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: be disconnected for a week, right, and I've been like
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: eating and breathing this fight, this stupid lawsuit that came
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 2: out last year. Then it's in the house. Oh my god,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 2: we get it pulled out of the house, thank god.
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: Then it goes to the Senate. Oh, Mike Lee introduces
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: the damn thing in the Senate, sneaks his language in
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 2: blindsides everybody. And I got to get on a plane
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: to go to the Arctic, and there's this little like
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 2: bell Weather moment where I look at I make like
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 2: a last Instagram post, last thing I can do, and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: I see Cameron Haynes is like you guys, you got
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 2: to get off your asses and call your senators. They're
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 2: selling our public land. And the same day Josh Smith
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: from Montana Knife Company did it too. And I bring
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: those two guys up as examples because they were also
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: like like on the mega train, right, they were like
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: pro Trump in through the election. They're representing the right
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 2: side of the political spectrum. And when that moment happened,
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: I did draw like a little little breath relief right there.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, And people that aren't afraid to
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: criticize aspects of the big beautiful bill.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, And they're not afraid to say, yeah,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 2: we voted for this guy, but this part of the
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: the pie sucks. It's super important to us that this
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 2: gets pulled out of here, and we're going to go
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 2: to the mat for it. And I'm like, that is
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: that is the thing.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: We have people who aren't so self conscious that they're like,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 2: oh God, I said this thing a month ago. I
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: can't come out and say what I really think right
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 2: now because I would kind of contradict what I said
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 2: a month ago, right, you know. And that gave me.
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: Really really made me feel good. I'm like, Okay, things
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: are starting to go our way now because all the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: other people who we're afraid to say the same thing.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: We're like, oh, thank god, some other people with a
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: big microphone came out and said it. So now I
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: feel emboldened to stand up publicly for what I believe in.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: That's such a terrible thing to be so trapped in
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: the ideology of your party that you can't stand up
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: for what's right. That's that's gross.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, man. And it's being promoted though too. Like one
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: of the things I feel when I go back to
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: DC is there's a lot of people spending time on
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: making sure not that America is better, but that that
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: system persists. So the next next generation a short, short,
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: little boat shoe, no software, and people can have jobs.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, those boat shoes. Yeah, it's gross. It's really gross,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: and it's prevalent. You know, it's been around for a
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 1: long time, This this weird system that we have. There's
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 1: it's non effective, it's not good, it's not good for anybody,
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 1: and it's all being fed by lobbyists and special interest
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 1: groups and they're all just they want to keep it going,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: they want to keep the grift going.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 2: But there I mean, there's there's palpable frustration out there,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 2: like I feel it every day. A long time ago,
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: you told me you're like, dude, don't don't read the
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: comment section, and you're one thousand percent right. I can't
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: say how right you are. But during this time of
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: like why aren't people clicking into this? I was getting
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: real depressed, like shaking pissed tears at times over feeling
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: so underrepresented. And then when we started gaining momentum, I
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: was like, Okay, what the hell else can I do?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 2: I'm calling my senators, I'm calling my representatives. I'm I'm
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: establishing contacts with their staff. I'm talking to them about
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: how important this is. I'm asking them what else we
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: can do trying to build these bridges for this goal
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: of protecting my public lands that I love. Right, we're
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: working with all these nonprofit groups are coming together, even
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: groups that traditionally don't focus on public land access issues.
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: You know, like you're Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation, who has
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: done a bunch of stuff for access, but you know
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: they have an ELK on their logo. They're the Elk people.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: And then Pheasants and Quail Forever they're the Pheasants and
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: quail people, National Wild Turkey Federation, they're the Turkey people.
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 2: But they started being like, oh oh, this is real serious.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: And then we started getting all these people in the
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 2: same room together sharing information instead of being competitive. And
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 2: then businesses started coming out and saying, well, what can
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 2: we do? Little breweries down in Arizona. This guy Renhouse
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: Brewing called me and he's like, hey, what can I do?
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: I have a brewery, what can I do? And we
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 2: came out with a beer that has a QR code
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: on the label and it's just called rep because that
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: time the fight was in the house. I call your
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 2: representative and you hit the QR code, you put in
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: your your zip code and it connects you with your representative.
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: M right, It's like crush beers and crush the phone lines.
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: Whatever tag you want up to. I was on I'm
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: on a steering committee that has Arii, Padagoan You, Rivan,
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: all like big big companies right that are like, we
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: we want to put some muscle behind this. We want
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: public lands to say stay public. Then we launched a
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: Hunt Brands for public Lands coalition and had a huge
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: name sig sour is on there. Right, They have military contracts,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: and they had the guts to stand up and be like,
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: we don't want to see public lands get sold off.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, whether it be another firearms manufacturer, you know, first
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: light meet eatter obviously, but we started like building all
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: these bridges and unifying groups and people and businesses around
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: this common cause. And it's that public persistence that we
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: the people part that folks kind of tend to forget
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: that is literally saving public lands about like being out
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: there public and loud, and it's working, but we need
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: to take it to the next step, right and maintain
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: the momentum and stay unified. And the thing that was
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: really interesting, right is like we're up to up to
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: the date, up to the absolute second that language is
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: pulled before it's officially pulled. He's team has his statement
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: out on I listened. I still want to sell public land,
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: but I listened to everybody, so I'm not going to
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 2: do it right now, is really what it says. And
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: he's completely fabricating this story. He was told like this
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: is going to get pulled, so you can do it
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: now and save some face, or we can pull it
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: and you're going to look like a loser, right, And
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 2: unfortunately he got the option to like fight again another day,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 2: which is brutal. But I get that information and I
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: get to announce it to this awesome group of people
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: at this off road rally trash pickup dealing them out
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: at called the Gambler five hundred, which was super cool.
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 1: And then.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: I put that online and I'm like, hey, thank you
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: to the Democrats, and thank you to the Republicans, and
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: thank you for all the voices that came out and
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: the businesses and all this stuff. And then I was
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 2: just like set my clock as to when people were
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: going to just start tearing each other apart, and it
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: fucking happened, right, And it's like, you guys voted for this,
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: you were getting exactly what you deserve.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Right right right. I did see a lot of that,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I did see a
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: lot of that. Like, no, we didn't stupid, No, we
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: voted because we felt like the country was moving in
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 1: a terrible direction. It doesn't mean that they can't also
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: move in a terrible direction. Once you get him in.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: The important thing is people stood up, people like you, luckily,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: that are very invested in this and use the considerable
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 1: resources you have access to and got a lot of
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 1: other people involved by Cam Josh Smith and everybody else.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: And I jumped into that's we're just lucky that a
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: lot of people care and recognize that this is a
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 1: slippery slope and that if they got through with this
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: and they did this, this is just one step. And
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: if you let them sell one acre. That's why just
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 1: not one acre was the best motto. It really was.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Not one acre was the best moto. You can't it's
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: not yours, it's ours everyone's. And if you sell it,
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: you should make zero profit. It should go literally, if
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 1: you did sell it, it should have to go to
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: every pucking person that lives in the planet or in
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: this country. Rather. Yeah, I mean, and we don't want it.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: We don't want that money. Keep it, keep it the
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: way it is.
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: All the value of this stuff only goes out.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Not only that, again, we're thirty six fucking trillion dollars
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: in debt. You're not even gonna put it. If you
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: sold all the public land, all of it that we have,
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: it wouldn't put a dent in.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: It, No, it wouldn't. You could strip all the timber, yeah,
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: sell the land.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 1: Everything minerals everything. Yeh, not gonna put a dent in it?
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 2: No, it's not. So we got to find a better way.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: And then you know what, It's not gonna be convenient. No,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be hard. And that's the that the thing
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: that I keep coming back to. I'm like, all they're
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: doing is being like, oh see, we did something. They're
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: not doing the hard work right, And this particular thing
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 2: would divest the American people of In my mind, and
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: we started doing it as a slogan for backhountry hunters
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 2: and anglers, is like public land freedom, Like you are
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: divesting the American people of the ability to be free.
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 2: Like these places represent like a lot of goofballs man
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: unstructured fun. And I feel like there's a lot of
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: people in the law making side of things that get
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: very nervous about American people out there having unstructured fun.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: They're like, what's going on out there on that BLM land.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 2: There's somebody riding a motorcycle, and there's somebody shooting a gun,
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 2: and there's somebody fly fishing, and there's somebody bird watching,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: there's a family camping. I can't have that.
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: Do you really think that's it. Do you really think
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: it's like they don't want unstructured fun.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: I'm coming around to that a lot, man, a lot.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: Like right, they're like, why there's no kiosk, right, nobody's
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: out there charging right for your use of America's public lands.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: You're not sign a liability waiver, Oh my god. And
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: once you're out there, you just kind of make up
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: whatever it is you want to do that day. That's freedom, buddy, right.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: And I think people are fucking nervous about that.
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: That's a weird perspective, it is. Yeah, I don't know
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 1: if I agree with that. I just think they look
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 1: at it as an opportunity to cash in. I think
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 1: they look at as an opportunity like we have all
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 1: this land, it's public, let's sell some of it. I
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: think it's just like incredibly short sighted. I think they
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 1: think in terms of literally in terms of terms where
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: they're elected.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 2: And it's not sell some of it.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: They're like, we're gonna maybe hold on to the national parks,
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: but there's another play there where we're gonna turn those
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 2: over to the states, right, or privatize them completely, get
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: full control of like I said, like Colorado River, right,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 2: Like we're going to control the the pipes for the
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: water sheds.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: You have heard that language before, that water's not right. Yeah,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: that people are gross. Man, if you let them be,
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: and you let them be, they'll they'll be gross.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: And yeah, absolutely, And some of these people want it
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 2: purely for the fact that they can't have it right
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: and it drives them insane.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: There's definitely that. Yeah, there's definitely there's a lot of
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: short sightedness. It's uh, a lot of people can use
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: a mushroom trip. Well, there's just a lot of people
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: that are just you're missing so much of what this
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: life is because you're so concentrated on your election cycle,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: you're so concentrated on making more money, you're so concentrated
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: on things that when you're ninety and you're in your deathbed,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: it ain't gonna mean shit. Man, It's not going to
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: mean a damn thing.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: No, No, you could have been having fun and enjoying
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: life with your neighbors.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, you can't keep it. You're gonna die, you
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: can't take it with you. You're gonna die. And they
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 1: don't see that while they're on the hunt, while they're
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: in the middle of this process or trying to accumulate
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 1: zeros in their bank account.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: Yeah, got a little endorphin high saw another zero hit.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: It's all they want. And they're competing with other people
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: that are doing the exact same thing. So they're in
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: their little short sighted echo chambers, you know. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: keep it.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: But I to god people learned right, Like, there's a
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: lot happening in between elections, and you got to know,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: if you waited in during this, you made a difference.
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: Like everybody who jumped in and wrote to their representatives
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: and senators and told their buddies about this and asked businesses,
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: why aren't you on that list?
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you can actually make a difference in this country.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, and it's not not just at the election hash marks. Yeah,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: Like if people didn't hold are elected accountable, they would
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: have been like, they just want to get this stuff passed.
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: They're like a path at least resistance. There's some really
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: good ass kickers out there on the Democrat and Republican
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: side of things, for sure, but we need to lift
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: those people up in order to get the rest of
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: the coasters involved.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and we need to also let people know that
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: this isn't this is an issue going forward. Now that
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: we know this is an issue that can affect whether
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: or not you get elected, you need to know that,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: like we're going to be on you. You can't do.
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: This exactly like we're going to be consistent and we're
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: gonna be on your ass.
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: And now that this has happened and we've had some
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: success and it worked, now people know it to work.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: And so now all the Randy Newburgh's and all the
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: all the people that were like really enthusiastic about this
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: that really did their job, you know, they're getting more
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: support now and it's it's going to build and then
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: we'll be much more aware of whether one of these
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 1: things is trying to get snuck through in the future.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, I would say the early folks right like Randy,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 2: I feel like we were kicking ass at Meat Eater,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: Katie Hill at outdoor Life, Andrew McKean outdoor Life, Travis
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: hall Field and stream like those people were on it.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 1: And I think all those people have a significant following
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 1: on social.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: Media, you know, and they have a lot to lose too. Man.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, National Wildlife Federation, Backcountry Hunters and Anglers. We're talking
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: about this way early and then a lot of other
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: orgs jumped in and and some early pheasants Forever Quail Forever,
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: they started. They were awesome. I just gotta I gotta
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: mention them because they're like, they're farm bill oriented hook
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: and bullet organizations. They do an amazing job, but that's
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: largely private side of the fence. And they came out
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: and started talking to their membership about this early and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: you kind of get punched in the face. I gotta
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: be honest, like, we took a lot of shit on
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 2: the meat eater side of things. Rinella took a ton
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 2: of shit. So just people being like, well, one, they're like, Steve,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 2: aren't you a Trumper? You can't also support public lands
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 2: because that's going against Trump.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: This is just people in the comments, right oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 1: Who are those people? Oh?
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: Way too much time?
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, don't don't read them. You're dealing with such a
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 1: small population of morons. The problem with comments is especially
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 1: negative comments. It's such a small population and all most
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 1: all of them are fucking losers.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 2: I got sucked in though, because I'm like, I don't know,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 2: I was like, I was so desperate to make an impact.
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 2: Right at the end, I'm like, I'm feeling like I've
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: pulled every fricking lever that I can. Yeah, I'm asking
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 2: the experts. I'm like, could we get and this is
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: a screwed up piece of information. I was like, Okay,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: I want to do a Freedom of Information Act requests
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: SOUE for information for all the senator's offices and find
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: out how many people called on behalf of public lands
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 2: and how many people called to sell them off, and
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: I want that information to be public. Well, those offices
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: they don't have to give over that information I found out,
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: So like, where the hell is the accountability on that?
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 1: Right? Yeah?
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm going nuts trying to figure out what
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 2: other levers I could pull. And I would just sit
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 2: there and be like, Okay, I'm going to find one
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: person on the feed and just understand their side of
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: things and see if I can pull them over to
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 2: my side of things and maybe that butterfly wing effect
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: will do some sort of good.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: You're not those people, Yeah, you voted for this. Those
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 1: people are just trying to win. They're just trying to
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: like get you. And there are people that, for whatever reason,
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: thought Kamala Harris would be a good president. And then
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: there's also people that I don't even know if they're
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: real humans. I think there's a lot of this stuff
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 1: that we have to understand about social media is coordinated
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: bot farms. And so anytime you have a hot button
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: topic that could you know, maybe get a bill rejected
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: or a bill passed, it's not organic the comments. There's
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: some organic comments. Some of these people that are negative
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 1: you voted for this, they're just a real fucking loser
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 1: who doesn't like people that have public profiles, doesn't like
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: people that are successful, doesn't like people, and they just
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 1: want to find some way to call you out. There's
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: a lot of that. But then there's a lot of
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: coordinated artificial interaction and we've highlighted that and we've been
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: on that for quite a while because we found out
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: through this one former FBI guy that eighty percent his
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 1: estimation was eighty percent of Twitter is bots.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah eight you know people are having their their whole
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: life is talking to bots. Then if that's the case.
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 1: Oh it is the case. I know it's the case.
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's eighty percent, but I do
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: know that it's an enormous number because I don't interact,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 1: and I'm now I've since separated myself so far that
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: I'm kind of not even on social media anymore. I
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: might check it in the morning. I check Twitter in
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: the morning, see whatever he's mad at, you know, And
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: then I usually feel bad after I check it. I'm like,
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 1: why am I even looking at this? Oh Jesus Christ,
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: and I just get off. And when you do that,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: you feel better, You just feel healthier, you feel better.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: But when I do check and like there's any sort
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 1: of a hot button issue, I'll look at someone as
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 1: saying something outrageous, and then I'll cook on their profile
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: and then I'm like, it's like a bunch of letters
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: and a few numbers, and then I look at their profile,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, you're not even a real fucking person.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: And then you see, oh, this is like half of
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: the people in this aren't real people. And it's there's
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: no laws, like there's no I'm first of all, m
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: be real clear. I'm against a law where it says
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: you have to post under your name, your your social
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: Security number has to be registered to this account so
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 1: we know you're real human being. The reason why I'm
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: a posted that is because I think whistleblowers are essential
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: because I think corruption is real, and I think if
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: you hold someone accountable for everything they post, man, you're
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: going down a dark road. You're don't You're going down
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 1: a dark road where you could possibly get people fired
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 1: for posts that you know, like England is out of
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: control right now. Like I don't know if you know this,
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: but England. I think it was somewhere in the neighborhood.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: How many people got arrested for social media posts in
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: England this year. We've looked this up before. I forget
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: the number. It's in the thousands, arrested for saying immigration
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: is a real problem. We got to stop these grooming gangs.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: We got to you know, stop these Muslims from you know,
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: illegally immigrating into England. Arrested, go to jail, like for
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: real that people do time. They're doing time, like no bullshit,
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: real time for saying things like.
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: I get killed for cheeseburger. I always said, I.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: Not like that, not like that. But it's mostly about
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 1: policy issues, and what they're trying to do is make
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 1: sure that everyone stays in line. And so they're doing
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 1: this by scaring people away from being critical of the government.
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 1: And the way to start it is to attack people
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: that say anything bad about immigration, attack people that say
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: anything bad about the government. In fact, they just try.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 1: They're just doing this in Brazil right now. They just
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: pass this huge fucking law that you can get removed
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: from social media for anything that's critical of the government,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: anything that's critical of Lula, who's the president of Brazil.
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: Right now, you get removed from social media, like you
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: can't be critical, Like they don't have freedom of speech anymore.
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: And this is the slippery road. This is a slippery
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 1: slope that we were going down with the last administration,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: what they had done during the pandemic. It's scary stuff, man,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: and people have to be aware of it.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 2: And well, I think there's a version of that too
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: with what we were talking about on like the hard
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: party politics people right where it's like the social backlashes
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 2: of being a critical thinker is so much that it
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 2: then creates a non thinker or you just totally leave
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 2: that zone. You don't pay attention anymore, you're not going
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 2: to talk about it.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: Yep. Yeah, it's you self censor, your self censor out
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: of survival. You know, this is too dangerous. I'm not
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: going to say anything, and that's how they get things passed,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: because then you don't have any criticism, and then you
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: don't have any you don't have any people that are
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: opposing you. It's very scary because again, a lot of
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: this stuff that you're seeing that's causing people to self center,
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: it is not really self censor, is not real human beings.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: It's bots.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: And and that's my fear is that when you finally
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 2: get that person to be like, all right, you know what,
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave this part of it behind and step
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: out to advocate for what I believe in, and the
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 2: first response they get is.
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 1: You voted for this.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 2: Fuck you, you're getting what you deserve.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, police make thirty rests a day for offensive online messages.
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: Oh god, no nuts. So I from thirty seven forces
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: made twelve thousand, one hundred and eighty three arrests in
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, the equivalent of about thirty three per day.
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Mark's an almost fifty eight percent rise in arrest since
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: before the pandemic in twenty nineteen, but still like twenty nineteen,
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: seven thousand detentions for online shit. So what we have
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: in America is incredibly unique. In that regard, and other
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 1: countries are setting a standard and it's a dangerous fucking standard,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: and we have to really make sure that that doesn't
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: happen here. And we also have to make sure. I
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: wish there was a way where you could identify bots,
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: and Elon tried to find this out when he bought Twitter.
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: So when he purchased Twitter, they told him that it
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 1: was less than five percent, and he's like, well, how
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: did you figure that out? And well, they only figured
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: it out. It's not real. It's not a real number.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: But they just took a random cross section of one
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: hundred users and found five percent of those people were
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: clearly bots. That doesn't mean any job's done, yeah, literally,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: But you could also do that. You could take a
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: random section of users that interact with very non controversial
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: subjects and find a small number of bots. Like let's
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: say you find a bird watching group of people on
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: Instagram or on Twitter, Like, what are the odds that
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: those people are going to be bots? Very small? Right,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: there's no reason, there's no benefit financially or otherwise politically.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 2: Big bird seed. Yeah, you know.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Exactly. Like, so if you go after bird I use
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: bird watchers because I see them all the time. You know,
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 1: that's like the purest form of just this is what
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: they're into. Yeah, great group of people, but there's no
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: financial incentive to support or deny birdwatching, you know. So
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: if you go to the birdwatcher group on Twitter, yeah,
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: it's probably five percent bots because they're fucking everywhere. But
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 1: if you I guarantee if you go to abortion, or
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: if you go to immigration, or if you go to
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 1: anything that's a hot button contra ice raids, whatever it is,
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 1: any meat, anything, any hot button controversial subject, there there's
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: a shit ton of them, man. And it's kind of
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 1: creepy because who is paying for it? Who's paying for it?
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: And why do we don't how come we don't have
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: any laws to stop that from happening, because it's not real.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: You're you're getting this artificial sense of what the general
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: public wants because they've they've you know, monetized it, and
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 1: they've figured out a way to artificially inflate these numbers. Yeah,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: and I think it gives this illusion of this consensus
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: amongst people, and they can do that and even with
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 1: like ridiculous conclusions.
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: And I think consensus, though, is so dangerous to any
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 2: political party, right, Like what we just saw, there was
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: an agenda and everybody had to stand up and say
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: something because a one fricking person who wanted to make
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: this happen, right, and I guarantee you, I guarantee you
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: that what they're thinking about right now is holy shit,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: how do we break up this consensus? Like, what do
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: we need to do. We can't have bird watchers agreeing
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: with off road users and bow hunters. That's we can't
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: win that. We need them to be only bird watchers,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: only bow hunters, only off road users.
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 1: But what we need to do is be a political
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 1: and I think we were with this, which is beautiful.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 1: So the Democrats, the Republicans, and the people like me
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 1: that are fucking politically homeless, they all came together on
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 1: this and said, no, this is stupid. And and all
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 1: these people who you voted for this, fuck you, nobody
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 1: voted for that. Fuck you Like this is one guy.
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 1: And if history, if that didn't work, if we didn't
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 1: have an impact, and if nobody stepped up and people
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 1: like you weren't so steadfast, that would be in the
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: history books that Mike Lee guy would be the guy
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: that you see, you know, your kids see in forty
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: fifty years and never read the history books. They go, oh,
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 1: that guy, that guy did this.
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he'd have a proud statue inside a giant strip
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 2: mall and something that used to be public land. You'd
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: be like, why is that here?
• 1:55:37
  Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't because we gave up.
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what happened.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 1: Well, it depends on who's writing the history books, right,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 1: It could be that he would be a hero. He
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 1: turned it out. They generated two hundred extra billion dollars
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 1: that did nothing, did nothing for this. I mean, this
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 1: big beautiful bill, doesn't it raise the debt by three trillion?
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: I think that's what they came down to. It started
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 2: at four announced at like three point three trillion. Yeah,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: and there's so much to it too, Like, like I said,
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 2: this is my own personal dumpster fire.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 1: But Trump wants his growth, he wants economic growth, and
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 1: he thinks he can get it out of this and
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 1: that's the overall net benefit.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 2: And there's somehow bending over backwards. Right like that Arctic
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 2: trip that we were talking about. We went up to
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: the ten o two area on the Arctic plane.
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 1: Just that's ceiling increased by five trillion?
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 2: Did that just happen, Jamie.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 4: That did pass this afternoon we started.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, and fifty billion in additional border security. Well,
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 1: we probably need that one hundred and fifty four billion
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 1: additional defense spending. Mmm, that's you gotta gotta feed the demons.
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 2: But the Golden Dome thing, which is not.
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 1: What's the Golden Dome? That's space based Golden Dome missile
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: defense system. Yeah.
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: Trump was enamored with Israel's missile defense system and wanted one,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: and most of the experts were like, that doesn't really
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 2: work with our land mass.
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: Oh boy, there's also hypersonic missiles. There's a lot of
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: shit doesn't work. Well, there's a.
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: There's a line item in here for I think it's
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: a few billion bucks for our next big birthday, America's
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 2: next big birthday, which I always think of affordable housing.
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 2: When do you think? I was like, I bet the
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: folks like having their own little individual parties, and might
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: I think it's okay to throw that couple hundred million
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: at an issue versus fireworks and rides. You know, I
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe maybe, but yeah, man, we got it.
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 2: We have got to stay unified on these things.
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: Stay unified and avoid the comments, folks, and don't be scared.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Don't be scared to speak out against something that you
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 1: know is wrong.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 2: And you jackasses if you want something real bad, like
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: I want public lands, public waters, public wildlife for the people,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: real bad. I don't when that shit talker converts and
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, public lands are sweet. I called my senator.
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: I don't say fuck you, shit talker, I say thank you, dude,
• 1:58:25
  Speaker 2: really appreciate it.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, most of those shit talkers don't have good friends.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 1: The people that actually are actual human beings that are losers.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 1: The reason why they're losers is because they're in a
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 1: bad spot, okay, And any one of us could have
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 1: been that person. Any one of us could have been
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 1: that person that's surrounded by bad people. They have a
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: bad job, they got a bad relationship, they live in
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: a bad area. There's not a whole lot of hope,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: not a whole lot of happiness, And so you try
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: to tear down everything around you.
• 1:58:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you take put your petty shit, yeah, over the
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: top of the real shit.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah. But my perspective is, look, I can't fix everybody,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 1: so I can't help you. But I don't want to
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: interact with you. So I'm not gonna. I'm not I
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: don't have the time, I don't have the resources. It's impossible,
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 1: and I don't like it. I don't like arguing with people,
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 1: so I don't want to do it. If you talk
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 1: to people one on one, most people are pretty fucking.
• 1:59:17
  Speaker 2: Reasonable, pretty amazing.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 1: But really, when they're just shouting out into the void
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 1: like that, guess why you don't have to read it.
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 1: You don't have to listen, you don't have to interact.
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 1: It's fucking bad for you. It's bad for your brain.
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 1: Everybody that I know that's on social media all the
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 1: time is super unhealthy, every one of them.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, for good reason. It's a trash pit. Earning really
• 1:59:40
  Speaker 2: worked really well in this case because it allowed that
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 2: community to build fast and be reactive.
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 1: But you have to curate your community online the same
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: way you curate your community in the real world, you know,
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: And this is part of not reading the comments, because
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 1: the comments is the whole world, you know, or the
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 1: people that are interacting, it's not really the whole world.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 1: But again, it's just it's it's not worth it. It's just
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 1: not worth it. It's not worth going in there.
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 2: And people if you want to win, like identify that
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: freaking goal and and think, Okay, what's going to help
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: me achieve that goal. It's not putting your petty shit
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 2: above the goal, right right. You bury that stuff deep
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: down inside and you say, great, thank you, thanks for
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: hopping on board. Please tell your friends we're going to
• 2:00:32
  Speaker 2: get to this goal together.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: That's awesome. I think that's best done on a group basis,
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 1: Like just make a post thank you to everybody that
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: did it, but don't interact with individuals. It's just not
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 1: worth it. The people that I know that do it
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: that I'll get they all get fucked up because it's
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 1: just like, it just takes one comment that gets under
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 1: your skin that he carries you around while you're hanging
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: out with You're at your kids baseball game, and you
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 1: think that cocksucker on Twitter, you know, and there's a
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 1: lot of people out there that are doing that. Man,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: you watch your kid hit a home run and you're
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: not even happy. You're mad about some fucking random dude
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 1: who you don't even know if it's a real person.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: No is the truth. I told that that group I
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: was with up in the Arctic, Man, I'm like I
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: read them because I want to understand the argument and
• 2:01:18
  Speaker 2: and see if that's really the argument, Like is this
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: really where people are coming from, or is it just
• 2:01:24
  Speaker 2: an asshole?
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: There's mostly just an asshole and even their argument probably sucks.
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: But also a lot of it's artificial. You got to
• 2:01:32
  Speaker 1: think of it. How much money is involved in selling
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 1: off this public land and how much of an interest
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 1: do people have in pushing a narrative that would say
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 1: that selling this public land is a good thing. Yeah,
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: you know, there's there's money involved in this. Whenever there's
• 2:01:46
  Speaker 1: money involved in this, there's you can pay for. There's
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: services where you can start a campaign like it's not real.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: There's services where if you want to push a narrative,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 1: you could use their service and they will incorporate this
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 1: bot farm and they will push it towards whatever you
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 1: want to do. And it's legal. That's what's fucked. That's
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: so fucked. Yeah, it's fake, it's lying. It's just lying
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 1: with computers.
• 2:02:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And unfortunately, there's still a lot of people out
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 2: there on the interweb going, well, I read it on
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 2: the internet.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well there's a whole articles reading one comment
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: or said, no one, they didn't you know if that,
• 2:02:27
  Speaker 1: if that's a fucking robot, what are you going to
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: make a retraction? No, you're not not. If it's AI,
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: are you gonna Are you gonna say something about that?
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: Are you gonna say there's a problem. No, because your
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 1: whole business is clickbait, and the more you have negative
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: comments you could use to start the formulation of an article. Okay,
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 1: that's how you make a living. And so don't read
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 1: their fucking articles either. Oh, this is the key, Just
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: like you have to just interact only with real humans.
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: I gott in the practice of just being like, Okay,
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: what I'm about to say is going to be political
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 2: and all scary words Democrat, Republican. It's going to make
• 2:03:03
  Speaker 2: you uncomfortable. Don't believe me. Go to the Federal Register
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 2: dot gov. That's the source material. Read it for yourself.
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just.
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 2: Going to tell you what I read in there on
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: these pages. That's the source material. Go read it like
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 2: that's where the land sales are happening, and that's where
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: it's outlined. The text is there. It's the journal of
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: the government printed every day online. Go read it, and uh,
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: you know, for the little stuff on the podcast, I
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 2: don't deal it. It's like the Montgomery Teller said, an
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: alligator came out. Uh, I don't say that.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, tell everybody your.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: Podcast, Cal's we can review. We do news, outdoor news,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 2: and we cover legislation the legislative desk.
• 2:03:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, which you have a good time with
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: it though.
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 2: Man, there's some good times. There's some burnout times, right yeah,
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 2: like screaming into the like, guys, this land sale is coming, yeah, yeah,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 2: coming hot.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: Well, people listen to you fortunately. Oh it's got to
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: feel a little good. Doesn't it feel good that people
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 1: united and listened.
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: I am trying to make it feel really good at
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 2: least it's gonna happen again, because I know it's gonna
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 2: happen again again. I'm wearing the same shirt that I
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 2: wore on this show talking about this same stuff six
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: years ago or whenever we decided it was.
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 1: Right, like.
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: And I do, I feel really really good, like we
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: A lot of people came out. They threw political baggage aside,
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 2: and they talked about how important this stuff is and
• 2:04:44
  Speaker 2: it's incredibly important to me, and I thank them all
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 2: from the bottom of my heart because it is so important.
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: And one voice is just not going to do this right,
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 2: so that that does feel good. That does feel good.
• 2:04:58
  Speaker 2: I just kind of want wanted there to be a
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 2: vote on this amendment so all the American people can
• 2:05:06
  Speaker 2: see exactly who voted for it and exactly who voted
• 2:05:09
  Speaker 2: against it.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and just.
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: Lay it out on the table for everybody.
• 2:05:14
  Speaker 1: That would be nice. Yeah, And it'd be nice to
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 1: see like what special interests were involved, what money was
• 2:05:22
  Speaker 1: pushing it in that direction.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I mean, just we need a higher
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: and most people won't do this even if we had
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: the ability, but we need more peaks behind the curtain, right,
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 2: we need more accountability. So just a great example, I'm
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: up at the state Capitol Montana. We just our legislative
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: session just ended at the beginning of the year, and
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 2: there's some knucklehead brings this judicial amendment up to join
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: for the state of Montana to join Utah's lawsuit to
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 2: sell off eighteen and a half million acres of public land,
• 2:06:10
  Speaker 2: and one hundred and fifteen people showed up to testify
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: against the state. This during work hours in a Montana winter.
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 2: One hundred and fifteen people show up to testify against this,
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: and there's some online too there to be fair. Originally
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: there were ten people signed up to testify in favor
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: of joining the lawsuit. All ten of those people drop off.
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 2: They only give everybody two minutes to testify in front
• 2:06:41
  Speaker 2: of committee. Everybody testifies, don't do this. Bad for Montana,
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 2: bad for all these other reasons. Professional people, some lobbyists,
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 2: nonprofit people, but just a lot of people being like, yeah,
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: I'm a dad and this where I take my kids,
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: Like why would we do this? That committee approves it
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: and sends it through Wow, And there's no accountability. You
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 2: can't say, Okay, how many people called your office? How
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 2: many emails did you get?
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: None? Right, your representatives just decided against the will of people.
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 2: The ones that showed up, and we're vocal, right, So
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 2: how do it work? And I understand why people do
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 2: not trust this stuff, right, Like that's a hard experience
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: to have.
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: It's hidden on purpose, you know, they want to be
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 1: able to do what they want to do. Yeah, and
• 2:07:38
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of money that gets them elected. And
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: once they get in there, they get these phone calls
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 1: from these folks, Hey, I need you to do this.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, Montana is a good example right now, all right,
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: so John Tester, who was an awesome public lands guye
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 2: Democrat farmer out of Big Sandy, Montana. That's the only
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: political goal donation I've ever made in my life was
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 2: to his campaign because he was awesome on public lance.
• 2:08:08
  Speaker 2: Uh he got he lost this year. But uh so
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: we have Tim Shee's our freshman senator in Montana. Uh
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 2: So he's brand new. He won John testers seat. And
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: then we have Steve Danes who's been in for a
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: long time. He's a senior Republican also on the Senate
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 2: Energy and Natural Resources Committee, and Republicans and they said
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: not in as strong a words as I would want
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: that they're not for the sale of public lance. During
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: this fight during the House and then during the Senate
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: fight again, we're not going to sell public lance. Our
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 2: Republican Ryan Zink also he's a representative in the House.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: You know, he said, that's my San Juan Hill. It's
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 2: like I'm gonna die on San Juan Hill before I
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: vote to sell off America's public lands.
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 2: So I think for everybody else who's nay saying whether
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: a Republican can do this or it's just the Democrats
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 2: that are willing, I think we have a good example
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: in Montana right now, and I'm not saying give up.
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hold these people accountable, and I think
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 2: everybody else should too, that these Republicans are willing to
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: go to bat for public lands right now, and we're
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 2: making it that like third rail issue, where it's like,
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: if you want to win in the state of Montana,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: you better be good on public lands.
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 1: Were there any Democrats that were in favor of selling
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 1: off public lands?
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one of your one of your California folks
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 2: came out early in the Then.
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 1: I abandon, you know, because I identify as a Texan
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: now transition.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 2: Yes, oh, I support you.
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you for seeing my truth.
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: But you know that it's just it's another easy answer
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: to the very hard question of affordable housing. Right so,
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: I think there's plenty of Democrats out there.
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 1: I think it's a bullshit answer.
• 2:10:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, it's a total bullshit answer.
• 2:10:17
  Speaker 1: If you just want to settle in. I don't think
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 1: that any any interest in turning it into public housing.
• 2:10:24
  Speaker 2: No, fuck off, fuck off is right.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 1: Put public housing in the middle of the woods. Fuck off. No,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 1: it's not what you're doing. No, No, it's just one
• 2:10:32
  Speaker 1: of those things you say to people say, oh, it
• 2:10:34
  Speaker 1: would go to the greater good.
• 2:10:36
  Speaker 2: Oh my god. We've been talking about urban renewal for
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 2: how long in this country? Right, Like, there's a lot
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 2: of places that are not going to be good for wildlife,
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: not going to be good for the matriculation of clean water,
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 2: they're not producing clean air. That could be great affordable
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: housing or just housing in general for people, but that's hard.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: It's not convenient exactly.
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not convenient. That's the thing. Well, thank you for
• 2:11:03
  Speaker 1: doing what you do, brother, and thank you for being
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 1: such a vocal spokesperson during this time because it was
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 1: really really impactful, made a lot, made a lot of difference, really.
• 2:11:13
  Speaker 2: Did welly, I'm going to be here for the next one, Joie.
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 1: All right, let's hope we don't have to do this again.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: I want to change my shirt.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: Let's hope we don't have to do it again. But
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: if we do, we'll do it again. All right, Thanks
• 2:11:25
  Speaker 1: a bunch, Thank you, brother, And Cal's weekn review. It's
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 1: available everywhere.
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: Apple, Spotify, all that jazz right yeah yeah, Old Cal
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: four to h six on the Instagram and if you
• 2:11:36
  Speaker 2: want to do me a huge favor. I'm the North
• 2:11:39
  Speaker 2: American board chair for back Country Hunters and Anglers, and
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 2: we put in over one hundred and fifty thousand comments
• 2:11:49
  Speaker 2: phone calls from real people who used our Action Alert
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: Center during this public Lands battle. And that's made a
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: big difference because we can go into those offices and say, hey,
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 2: twenty five hundred people called your office today, have you
• 2:12:05
  Speaker 2: heard about public Lands? So become a member. Helps us out,
• 2:12:10
  Speaker 2: and we'll help you out, and we're not going to
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: give up on this stuff.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: I'm a Lifeside member. I love you, love you all
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: right bye everybody,