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You’re My Favorite Person | Scott & LaRae Wright on 14 Years of Marriage, Partnership & Personal Growth · The Observatory | Discovery of Consciousness & Awareness

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Observatory Podcast.
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  Speaker 2: With your hosts, Scott and LeRae Wright.
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  Speaker 1: Join us each week as we explore living life from
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  Speaker 1: the inside out. Welcome back to the Observatory Podcast. Ray
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  Speaker 1: and I are sitting down today on the fall equinox
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  Speaker 1: to chat about our relationship and coming together on the
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  Speaker 1: fall equinox 14 years ago. We're going to talk about
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  Speaker 1: our anniversary. We're going to talk about how things have
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  Speaker 1: changed and how we've navigated and how we are each
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  Speaker 1: other's favorite person. So just sit back, relax, and enjoy
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  Speaker 1: this podcast on The Observatory. Welcome back to The Observatory podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Ray and I are sitting here this morning in our
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  Speaker 1: living room on... It's not quite the equinox yet. It's
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  Speaker 1: one day before the equinox.
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  Speaker 2: Right, but when this plays, it'll have been.
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  Speaker 1: It will be on or it'll be past the equinox.
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  Speaker 1: But fall equinox is something pretty special to us. The
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  Speaker 1: 21st is today, which most of the time the equinox
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  Speaker 1: falls on the 21st. But sometimes, every once in a while,
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  Speaker 1: it falls on the 22nd. And that happens to also
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  Speaker 1: be our.
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  Speaker 2: Anniversary.
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  Speaker 1: Our wedding anniversary.
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  Speaker 2: Because the year... We got married. We decided to be
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  Speaker 2: married on the fall equinox.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And the fall equinox was on the 22nd that year.
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  Speaker 1: 2012. 2012. Wow, honey.
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  Speaker 2: 14 years.
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  Speaker 1: I know. We're celebrating 14 years today. And tomorrow, I
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  Speaker 1: should say. And we wanted to talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about the equinox, the balance that that is in our experience.
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  Speaker 1: Equal light and dark on this day as it is
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  Speaker 1: on the equinox in the spring. It's that transition period
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  Speaker 1: moving toward winter. And that darker time, colder time, a
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  Speaker 1: time of almost death. And then when spring comes, the rebirth.
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  Speaker 1: Fall is the harvesting. And there were so many things
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  Speaker 1: that we used in our wedding ceremony that were symbolic
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  Speaker 1: of that. Like, for example, the aspen trees. We use
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  Speaker 1: the aspen trees as the metaphor for our own lives
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  Speaker 1: and coming together.
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  Speaker 2: Because we were married in the aspens. We were married
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  Speaker 2: outdoors in the aspen trees.
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  Speaker 1: Actually in an aspen grove up above Park City, Utah.
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  Speaker 1: And the The symbolism of the aspens, if you don't
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  Speaker 1: know and you may know, is that they share a
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  Speaker 1: widespread root system. So it's like one organism spreads over
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  Speaker 1: these giant areas. Utah has the largest one down in
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  Speaker 1: central Utah near Fish Lake called Pando. And it's just
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  Speaker 1: thousands and thousands of acres of Aspen trees everywhere in it,
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  Speaker 1: and they all share the same root system. So basically,
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  Speaker 1: it's one organism with multiple manifestations. And you and I,
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  Speaker 1: our roots came from the same place. We were both
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  Speaker 1: born in the Bear Lake Valley of Idaho, and we
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  Speaker 1: shared an ancestry that was similar. We both came from
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  Speaker 1: pioneer stock, as they say, from the Mormon ancestors who
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  Speaker 1: crossed the plains Yours came from Switzerland. Mine came from
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  Speaker 1: more the England area and migrated across the country at
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  Speaker 1: that time to escape persecution and came here to the
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  Speaker 1: Salt Lake Valley and then started spreading out. And we
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  Speaker 1: ended up, both of our families ended up in the
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  Speaker 1: Bear Lake Valley of southeast Idaho. And in a time,
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  Speaker 1: 1863 was when my great-grandfather Amos went there And yours
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  Speaker 1: came shortly after that and settled in the little town
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  Speaker 1: of Bern, Idaho, named for Bern, Bern, as they say, Switzerland. Correct.
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  Speaker 2: Because they were from a small area just outside of
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  Speaker 2: Bern in the Dimtigan Valley.
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  Speaker 1: Dimtigan Valley, which we visited.
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  Speaker 2: Right, which was beautiful.
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  Speaker 1: We got to see that town. Heritage that you had
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  Speaker 1: and witnessed those who.
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  Speaker 2: Were still there. And family that's still there, yeah. Family
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  Speaker 2: that is still there.
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  Speaker 1: That was one of the best trips of my life.
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  Speaker 1: It really was. It wasn't my family. It was your
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  Speaker 1: family I got to witness, but it was one of
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  Speaker 1: the most amazing things that I've got to witness, especially
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  Speaker 1: since you had relatives that didn't come across and were
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  Speaker 1: still there, didn't speak English, but they were really into music.
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  Speaker 2: They were into music. They were into community. They were
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  Speaker 2: into the forest, into all the things that you love. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And when we got married, we recognized that we also
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  Speaker 2: had very large families, both of us. We come from
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  Speaker 2: big families.
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  Speaker 1: I have seven siblings and you have six.
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  Speaker 2: And so it was kind of that, again, going back
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  Speaker 2: to that large root system and that large connectivity and
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  Speaker 2: just wanting to be married outside and in the Aspens
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  Speaker 2: and on the fall equinox because... I remember telling you,
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  Speaker 2: you know, we're in the fall of our lives. We're
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  Speaker 2: starting something in the fall of our lives. And I
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  Speaker 2: had a big aha this last week.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So, um, I had been, I have a women's circle
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  Speaker 2: group that I belong to and we were connecting and, um,
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  Speaker 2: the woman that kind of facilitates it, she, she welcomed
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  Speaker 2: us to the season of Virgo.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And, um, And a little backstory before I talk about
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  Speaker 2: Virgo is I remember my brother-in-law asking me at one
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  Speaker 2: point as the years kept going by and I'm not
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  Speaker 2: getting married, he's like, you know, you might just be picky.
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  Speaker 2: And I think I've shared this on the podcast before.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, no, I don't think I'm picky. I
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  Speaker 2: just want, I want something deep. I want someone whose
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  Speaker 2: waters run deep. So that was kind of what I
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  Speaker 2: had held off looking. I didn't want to merger. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want an acquisition. I didn't want a power couple.
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  Speaker 1: You'd had enough experience with that.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted something very real and tangible and something where
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  Speaker 2: someone who was deep, right, that explored mysteries of life
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  Speaker 2: and all of that. And so as we're starting our
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  Speaker 2: women's circle, and Krista welcomes us to the season of Virgo,
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  Speaker 2: and you are a Virgo.
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  Speaker 1: I am a Virgo. Along with my two sons.
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  Speaker 2: Yes. And I said, you know, the season of Virgo.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, oh, yes. Virgo is the inner landscape.
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  Speaker 2: The depths of who we are. And I became actually emotional.
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  Speaker 2: Because I suddenly, in that moment, felt you were the one.
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  Speaker 2: You know, this deep one that I had been calling out.
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  Speaker 2: into my life for some time without knowing that you were.
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  Speaker 2: And entering fall, we're entering a, if you talk about
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  Speaker 2: shadow and light, a shadow season, which is not bad,
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  Speaker 2: but it's more reflective, right?
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  Speaker 1: Sure.
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  Speaker 2: It's to go inside. It's to have more self-exploration, self-discovery.
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  Speaker 1: Reflection.
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  Speaker 2: And healing.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 2: I just became emotional because I was like, oh my gosh,
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  Speaker 2: how have I not seen this before? That I have
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  Speaker 2: felt that you were the deep one because I now
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  Speaker 2: joke that some days there's like, you know, we may
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  Speaker 2: be way above my hips. I've waded in way too
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  Speaker 2: deep sometimes. But just that whole metaphor of the fall
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  Speaker 2: and the fall equinox and the season of shadow and
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  Speaker 2: the inner work. And as I reflect back on our
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  Speaker 2: marriage and our lives, I can see so clearly how
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  Speaker 2: that is what we have been doing. Without it being
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  Speaker 2: a goal or a strategy or a five-year plan, I
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  Speaker 2: have said to you often, we couldn't have goal-set ourselves
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  Speaker 2: to where we are. We had to just show up
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  Speaker 2: and live our lives. And the first few years, me
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  Speaker 2: never having been married, you with the whole change with
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  Speaker 2: having children and a former wife and all of that
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  Speaker 2: that I had to learn how to adapt to and
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  Speaker 2: we had to navigate together. All of that, those first
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  Speaker 2: few years were different than the latter years have been.
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  Speaker 2: But it's been such a.
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  Speaker 2: Pivotal and meaningful path for me. And just when I
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  Speaker 2: look at the self that I had curated, you know,
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  Speaker 2: from the time that I left college and then the
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  Speaker 2: self that I am today, those changes and those, you know,
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  Speaker 2: that coming into knowing who I am has been really
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  Speaker 2: meaningful for me.
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  Speaker 1: So let me ask you a question. I don't think
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  Speaker 1: I've ever asked you this before. What do you think
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  Speaker 1: it was or is within you that made you feel
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  Speaker 1: like you wanted to have someone in your life whose
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  Speaker 1: waters ran deep? I mean, what was the draw to that?
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  Speaker 1: What was it about you? that you felt like that
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  Speaker 1: was something that was necessary in your life?
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  Speaker 2: Well, for myself, I think it was a place that
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  Speaker 2: I often went. I was always very curious about my
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  Speaker 2: emotional landscape. Growing up as a middle child in a
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  Speaker 2: family of seven, I was always aware of the older
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  Speaker 2: ones and the younger ones, of emotions. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that that emotional landscape was a place that I was
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  Speaker 2: really curious about. You know, when I entered the corporate
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  Speaker 2: world and I remember when the Daniel Goldman book came
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  Speaker 2: out and he introduced this thing called EQ. I read
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  Speaker 2: those books with such an appetite of what is this?
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  Speaker 2: Why is EQ more important than IQ? And what does
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  Speaker 2: that mean? And all of the personality tests that were
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  Speaker 2: very popular. EQ is like emotional intelligence. And It was
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  Speaker 2: all the studies, the Myers-Briggs test, the DISC test, all
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  Speaker 2: these sort of evaluations that I went through as an
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  Speaker 2: executive when they were working to build more cohesive teams
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  Speaker 2: and teams that understood each other and that would take
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  Speaker 2: risks together. So as part of that development, that corporate development,
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  Speaker 2: it was merging so perfectly with this appetite that I
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  Speaker 2: had for self-discovery. And I look back on that and
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  Speaker 2: I eventually got to a place where those tests became
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  Speaker 2: less appealing to me because I started to see, especially
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  Speaker 2: in the work environment, people kind of showing up and saying,
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  Speaker 2: I'm this or I'm that, so deal with me. And
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  Speaker 2: there was no adapting their style to fit the world
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  Speaker 2: or understanding someone else's style so that they could work together.
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  Speaker 2: It was just like, I'm a driver, get over it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they'd categorize themselves and give themselves permission to act
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  Speaker 1: that way rather than see that they didn't have to.
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  Speaker 2: Right, rather than taking it as data or as information.
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  Speaker 2: And so that sort of strong lines around this is
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  Speaker 2: who I am, so get over it, or this is
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  Speaker 2: who I am, that makes me better than you, started
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  Speaker 2: to create a lot of confusion for me because people,
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  Speaker 2: You can imagine, in a competitive, commerce-driven workplace, some of
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  Speaker 2: that can be really damaging for people who are more
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  Speaker 2: the glue. They're more quiet. The work is done in
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  Speaker 2: more of an amiable way. And so some of those
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  Speaker 2: things started to feel really uncomfortable for me. And I
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  Speaker 2: kind of moved away from the whole testing idea because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't like people... saying what they were, gave them
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  Speaker 2: permission to behave badly, basically. But it did feed that curiosity.
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  Speaker 2: So to go back to your question, why was I
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  Speaker 2: drawn to that? I think there's a part of me,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm a Sagittarius, so I live in the mystery.
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  Speaker 2: I live in the free-spirited part of the mystery and
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  Speaker 2: the wonder of and the creation of it all. And
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  Speaker 2: so I wanted more of that. And I wanted someone
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  Speaker 2: who would, instead of defining so hard today, dream about
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow with me and see it really uninhibited and without
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  Speaker 2: fear and without limitation. And so to me, that's what
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  Speaker 2: the deeper waters meant. It meant someone who wasn't afraid
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  Speaker 2: of possibility. and what could be. Now, while I may
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  Speaker 2: have initially had that as the potential of my own ambition,
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  Speaker 2: and I didn't really see it as a depth of my,
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  Speaker 2: let's call it spiritual landscape or spirit landscape, that's where
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  Speaker 2: when you came in, that shifted. You know, it shifted
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  Speaker 2: with less focus about all the possibility of my ambition
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  Speaker 2: and what I could create and what I could turn
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  Speaker 2: into commerce and what I could explore, it became more
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  Speaker 2: that a deeper dive internally into spirit, into knowing what
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  Speaker 2: life is all about. I remember the day when you
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  Speaker 2: told me that life's an illusion. And I just remember thinking,
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  Speaker 2: what does that even mean? And how can he say that?
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  Speaker 2: And how can he feel so convicted by that? I
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  Speaker 2: wanted to understand how how you had come to that
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  Speaker 2: conclusion and why you lived there. And, you know, given
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  Speaker 2: your Virgo nature, and we've talked about this on the podcast,
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  Speaker 2: you know, that because you live in your head and
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  Speaker 2: you solve in your head and you explore in your
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  Speaker 2: head and then you bring it into your heart, the
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  Speaker 2: challenge for you has been that knowing, that head knowing
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  Speaker 2: that makes you right, And the heart knowing that makes
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  Speaker 2: you right. And really moving, migrating more of the head
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  Speaker 2: to the heart so that the knowing that you have
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  Speaker 2: intuitively is always coming from your heart.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that was definitely a process to get there because
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  Speaker 1: I lived my life, I was the youngest in my family,
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  Speaker 1: so I didn't feel like my voice was heard. I
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  Speaker 1: was kind of in the background most of the time
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  Speaker 1: and didn't feel like I was being heard. But I
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  Speaker 1: knew within myself, in my head, that I was right
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  Speaker 1: about a lot of things. And that's kind of part
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  Speaker 1: of my nature was I know that I'm right. But
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't super expressive about telling people that I was right.
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  Speaker 2: You weren't obnoxious or arrogant.
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  Speaker 1: I wasn't arrogant about it. But I would listen to
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  Speaker 1: people say something. And then I would say within my head,
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  Speaker 1: that's total bullshit. You know, you're, you're, this is, you're,
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  Speaker 1: you're speaking of illusions. You're, you know, this is totally
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  Speaker 1: an illusion. That's really not, not real. That's not true.
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  Speaker 1: But I was doing that within myself. I wasn't saying it,
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  Speaker 1: but I got to a certain point in my life.
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  Speaker 1: And this was in recent years where I, I didn't
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  Speaker 1: want to be in that energy. I didn't want to
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  Speaker 1: feel like that because it would close me down to
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  Speaker 1: hearing more. And so I wanted to let go of
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  Speaker 1: my need to be right.
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  Speaker 2: It prevented you from being curious.
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  Speaker 1: It prevented me from being curious. That's a great way
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  Speaker 1: to put it. So when I started to let go
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  Speaker 1: of that need to be right about something, it still
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  Speaker 1: crops up once in a while, but I notice it now.
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  Speaker 1: I can notice when I'm feeling that need to be
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  Speaker 1: right about something. And in the world that we live
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  Speaker 1: in today, I mean, that's everyone wants to be. It
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  Speaker 1: seems like it's a world full of Virgo's. Everyone thinks
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  Speaker 1: they're right. And I feel like that dynamic that exists
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  Speaker 1: in the world today is not serving humanity. And I
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  Speaker 1: wanted to let go of that, and I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be more curious. I wanted to be able to be
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  Speaker 1: open to hearing and listening. And, you know, I've got
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  Speaker 1: friends that are, you know, conspiracy theorists. And I, I
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  Speaker 1: listened to what they say. I just got back from
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  Speaker 1: rabbit stick and, you know, some of the conversations that
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  Speaker 1: we had around the fire there were so open. And I,
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  Speaker 1: I listened, I really tried to listen to what people's
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  Speaker 1: opinions were and, and kind of questioned them. Why do
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  Speaker 1: you feel that way? And, and, you know, there's various reasons,
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  Speaker 1: but the beauty of attending a gathering like that, where
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  Speaker 1: there's 500 people, uh, is that you get to hear
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  Speaker 1: and experience so many diverse, um, ways of being, people
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  Speaker 1: from all walks of life, all over the country, not
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  Speaker 1: only this country, other countries, lots of people there from Canada.
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  Speaker 1: And it was refreshing to walk in the energy of
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  Speaker 1: that openness for a week and have that experience because
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  Speaker 1: it's beautiful to witness that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, and that's a perfect word because when I was
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  Speaker 2: having this aha the other night with the women's group,
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  Speaker 2: I just came into such a knowing. And it's, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I've had some of that recently with other things. But
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  Speaker 2: I had this such deep appreciation and knowing that when
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  Speaker 2: our lives came together, that I had come to the
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  Speaker 2: point where the work... I now see it more in
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  Speaker 2: reflection than I did then. What was driving me then
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  Speaker 2: was just a desire to be married. I really felt
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  Speaker 2: I had turned 50. I didn't want to be alone anymore.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't find my days filled with work being fulfilling enough.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted a partner. And now I see that there
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  Speaker 2: was this undertone of much of the work that was
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  Speaker 2: still left for me to do and is still left
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  Speaker 2: for me to do had to be done in partnership.
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  Speaker 2: I had to have a witness to my life in
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  Speaker 2: a meaningful and intimate way that only partnership could bring me.
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  Speaker 2: And that doesn't mean that, you know, everyone who doesn't
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  Speaker 2: have a partner today, isn't having meaningful change. Perhaps they
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  Speaker 2: had a partner earlier in life. I had not had
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  Speaker 2: that partnership other than siblings. And so the work that I,
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  Speaker 2: where I was in my life, the work that was
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  Speaker 2: calling to me without me really being aware of, but
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  Speaker 2: I had this knowing, was, oh my goodness, it was
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  Speaker 2: all in the fall. It was on the equinox. It
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  Speaker 2: was with a Virgo. It was with someone that our
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  Speaker 2: histories were common. We knew each other from that.
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  Speaker 1: There was a familiarity.
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  Speaker 2: The familiarity. And there was this invitation to the deep end,
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  Speaker 2: and the deep end being my internal landscape. And it
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  Speaker 2: was just emotional for me. And the witness that you
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  Speaker 2: have been, there's days when it's like, I don't need
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  Speaker 2: anyone to tell me. And then I get quiet and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, or do I? And I do. Because we've
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  Speaker 2: talked about it before, my own perceptions, your own perceptions,
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  Speaker 2: our own preferences can really keep us blind to the
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  Speaker 2: very thing that life keeps bringing to us over and
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  Speaker 2: over and over again for us to learn. And that's
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  Speaker 2: that's kind of the work that's been happening is a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things that kept coming up as a question. Like,
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  Speaker 2: and I've had people say this to me, like, why
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: does this come up? I thought I already solved this.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Why does this keep coming up? And it's, those are
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: the things that keep coming up because it's still work
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: that's left undone. Right. We watched a really interesting podcast
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: yesterday with Mel Robbins and her husband, Chris. And they
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: openly talk about the challenges that they faced in their
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: marriage and the crushing death that they were trying to
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: navigate through and the things that they wish they would
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: have known before that they learned through the challenge and
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: the heartache and the way they treated each other. But
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: one of the things that they said was, you know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: that a therapist had said to them is, can you
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: look at the person that you're married to and say,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: you're my favorite person? And we both looked at each
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: other and said, like, you're my favorite person.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally feel that way.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: And I don't think there's, since our lives have come together,
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's been a day that I have
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: not felt that. And so, you know, as we celebrate 14,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: 14 married, 16 actually together, you know, you are my
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: favorite person. And I can only guess what the next
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: 14 years are going to look like. I even said
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: that to you. I said, Wow, if you think of
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: all the things that we've done, all the change that
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: we've navigated, is it just amazing where we might be
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: in the next 14 years?
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And I think we should be straightforward and honest
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: with the audience and just saying that it wasn't perfect
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: from the get-go. There were definitely challenges and things that
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: we navigated together. things that you needed to let go of,
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: things that I needed to let go of. And, you know,
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: you had never been in a relationship where you had
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: considered getting married, and I hadn't done that for over
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: a decade. When I left my first marriage, it had
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: been a decade of being single. I was pretty independent,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: kind of had my life path figured out until I
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: realized that I was not happy I realized I needed
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: something more. It's like you said, you realized that you
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: needed to have a reflection, a mirror, someone else that
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you could walk with, someone else that could swim with
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: you in the deep end.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: And that's what I felt like I needed too. I've
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: got a couple of friends who got divorced and they
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: never remarried nor even considered getting remarried. They continued to
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: live alone. Because navigating relationships is not easy, and it's
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: easier to just remain single, not have to navigate through
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the difficult times and all of that. But the growth
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: that you can achieve with another person, as you said,
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: I think is significantly more than you can do by yourself. Right.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Well, one of the other things that Mel and her husband,
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: they were talking about a therapist that they had worked
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: together with, Terry Rill. And I loved what he said
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: because we talk about this in the book that we're writing,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: and that is we all marry our unfinished business. And,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you know, at times we may or may not be
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: aware of what is unfinished. And we may come into life,
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: and especially after the Gabor Mate training that I went through,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: the Compassionate Inquiry, that unfinished business begins at a very
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: young age. We begin adapting at the age of five
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: and creating and curating a story that limits us. We
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: adapt because of our environment, because of our needs maybe
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: not being met or the early messages, pre-language, that start
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: to tell us things. And so we adapt and we
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: start curating the story. And so it's later in life
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: when you really have the opportunity to revisit that story
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: and to let it go. And while that all sounds
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: like a great path and concept, it is challenging to
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: revisit that story that is such a part of who
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: you are and whether or not you're even truly aware
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: of it. And when people come up against that, that
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: can be tremendously frightening and unsettling and the blaring signs
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: can go off. I'm not safe. I'm not safe. I'm
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: not safe. Because you've curated this for the sole reason
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: to create safety.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: And so, you know, as I thought about that and
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I thought about some of the challenges that I was facing,
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: there were many steps we took that life started to
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: be very untraditional for us. You know, one of the
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: first ones was telling you to stop working because intuitively
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: I knew that if you were unhappy... Coming home unhappy
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: from work, that was not going to be something that
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: I was going to do well with. Right. Because I
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: knew how I didn't like to come home unhappy from work.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: And I didn't want to be unhappy.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: It was super stressful.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: It was a stressful time at the time you were
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: doing mortgages, and it was a super unusual stressful time
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: for that. And so everything was like a perfect storm.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't even working at the time. And so
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: it was like, how's this going to work? I'm going
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: to quit working and you're not working, you know? And
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: so those, those very non-traditional places that we looked, I
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: think helped us. And then, you know, there was all
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: of the shift and changes with your, you know, your children,
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: they were still young. Um, there was still a lot
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: of co-parenting, um, How that showed up and how that worked,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: I had zero familiarity with and really zero preparedness for.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: And so all of that was a lot of change.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: And stressful.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: And stressful. And then I had come in. We had
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: both come in with coping mechanisms that were unhealthy. I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: would turn to alcohol. It was easy for me to
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: just say, Let me have a glass of wine and relax.
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: And that was, the more stressful it became, then that
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: meter reflected that. And that was not something healthy that
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: was going to be healthy in our lives together. It
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: wasn't the way you coped. And so it wasn't something
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: that felt like it was going to be something we
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: would enjoy together. nor did I have a healthy relationship
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: with it. And so all of that just in those
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: early couple of years was like, okay, here's something that's
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: going to have to change. Here's something that's going to
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: have to change. We kept bumping up into things that
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: had to be changed. And I just think about the
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: willingness that we more intuitively had to kind of look
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: at those things one at a time and not be
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: overwhelmed by them. Yeah. Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: And I was an internalizer. You know, I kept everything inside.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't communicate well. And as we were navigating through
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: all of these things, I recognized that I needed to
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: do better at that. And I'm still learning how to
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: do that better.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Well, but, you know, and that's, again, we talk about
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that in the book, about just selflessness. of those patterns
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: that we each had to break you were a runner
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: when things got hard you'd leave and I was a
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: chaser you know I would at least while you were
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: physically in the house it was like I would follow
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: you around like let's finish this conversation let's finish this
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: conversation and so There were a lot of those things
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: that had to be learned and adapted and we had
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: to give each other grace. I sometimes wonder how we
• 30:11
  Speaker 2: figured that out or if it wasn't as much figured
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: out as we both had such a desire for it
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: to work that our hearts just kept staying open and
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: we were just guided by grace. more of our higher
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: knowing that we didn't really recognize as much at the time.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I think for me to be open and communicating,
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I need to feel safe to be able to do that.
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: So I don't feel like I'm being judged or I
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm being criticized or all those things.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: These are my preferences. It's something that, you know, for
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: me it's something that I– become more open to, but
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: you've always been my safe place. You've been something I've
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: been able to really talk to you about anything and
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: know that, uh, even if I might say something that
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: might be upsetting to you, that you're not going to
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: just walk out the door. You're going to, we're going
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: to sit here and we're going to process through this
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: together and we're going to approach it together. We're going
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: to be a team. We're not, um, We are definitely
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: each other's best friends. You're my favorite person. I'm your
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: favorite person. And so we navigate those things together. Does
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: that mean we only like all the same things? No.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I have my independence of going
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: to the gatherings and doing that because I really enjoy it.
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: And you know that I enjoy it. And you have
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: your independence for the creative things that you work on,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: the things that you do. and working with businesses and
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: the different things that you do to do consulting work
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: with people. But those are the things that feed your soul.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: These are the things that feed my soul. Yet at
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: the same time, we can talk about those things together,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: process those things together. You're reflecting things off me and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: I'm reflecting things off you so that we can have
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: more than just what's for me. having more than just
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: what's in my head to figure it out. Because even
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: though I might think I know everything, one thing I
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: do know is that I don't know everything. I finally
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: learned that I don't know everything. And letting go of that,
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that's been life-changing for me because it allowed me to
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: be more curious. It allowed me to be more open.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: It allowed me to see others' points of view more.
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: without that feeling within myself, oh, you know, that's totally
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: an illusion. You don't know what you're talking about. I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: don't feel like that anymore. I remain open to others
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: and their opinions. I'm less Virgo-like in that aspect now
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: than I was before, but I had to learn how
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: to not be that way.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I love to hear that because it's, you know, I
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: do find our conversations just really magical. Um, I'm very
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: curious about the things that you love to do and
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: that you like doing, you know, I don't, I don't
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: find it, um, as enjoyable to drum for four hours.
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: We kind of joke about that, but I like to
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: come for a few or for the gatherings, you know,
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I'll come for one or two days, but I'm not
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: there for the whole week. And, you know, and similarly,
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: you'll engage with me with working with others and people,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and you found it really enjoyable. Um, you know, we
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: both love the, the expression of finding ways to express
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: and yours predominantly is in music. There's other things that
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: are cropping up, but you also reminded me that initially
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: it wasn't music. You know, that expression first started with
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: photography and then with gardening and then moved to music. And,
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: you know, that gave me a lot of, um, pause
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: because I, I have looked and wondered why getting to
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: my love for writing has been such a, like a
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: thorny path. Like why I couldn't just because I loved it,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: why couldn't I just go there? And, um, you know,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: what makes me feel inhibited and what makes me feel self-critical.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: And again, it's a story that only I've curated.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: And while I would like to say, oh, it's because
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: of this or it's because of that, it is only
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: a story that lives inside my head that prevents me
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: from embracing it. And so each step that I take
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: where I can embrace it more just unravels some of
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: that story that has been told. And I'm getting there.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: You are. It's been cool to witness and watch you
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: let go of your self, Judgment around writing and just
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: being open to let it go. You've started a sub
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: stack now. And, you know, as it got started, it
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: kind of blew up. It was interesting to watch how
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: many people were coming and making comments to you on
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: you in your beginning in sub stack. I think it's awesome.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: And I was, you know, I was like kind of
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: shocked about it. Yeah. And very curious as to why
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: people were, you know, not just why they were spending
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: some time to write to me and say things to me,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: everything about my, from little things like my hair.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: You know, because I had posted a picture and introduced
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: myself and, and yet at the same time, it felt
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: just so authentic for me. And then there was this
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: huge message that just kind of whispered to me, just
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: show up and be who you are. Like, Stop trying
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: to write the perfect piece. Stop trying to express it
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: in the perfect way. Stop trying to sound clever or
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: this or that. All those things that are so busy
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: in my head saying, it's just show up and be
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: who you are. And that's so much easier. And yet
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: the barrier that we've created in our minds to get
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: there takes kind of taking one of those boulders off
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: at a time.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: And moving it to the side to say this doesn't matter.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: It becomes effortless.
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: It really does.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: I've seen that with me and playing music, that it
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: became effortless when I recognized that music is infinite. It's
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: created in the moment. Nothing needs to be written down
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: or recorded. It's like the mandalas from Tibet, the sand
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: paintings where they create the sand paintings. It's just this meticulous,
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: you know, multiple people doing it, like one grain of
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: sand at a time, and then they just wipe it away.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: And start over.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: Start over. Yeah. You know, we don't need to be
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: so attached to our creations. Just allow them to be.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: Allow the beauty to exist, and being part of the
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: creation of the beauty makes us feel beautiful, too. It's
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: like the flower. If the flower is beautiful, I must
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: be beautiful, too.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: If the writing is beautiful, I must be beautiful, too.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It's just a reflection of you. As the music is
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: of me, we don't want it to be anything. We're
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: not expecting it to be something. We're not looking for fame.
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: We're not looking for fortune. We just want to express
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: in this thing we call a lifetime.
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, sweetheart, I love that. I mean, I believe, you know,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: as we celebrate the 14th year, that the magic that
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: has happened in being in partnership and marriage with you
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: has been the ability for us to find ways where
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: we can both be more and more and more of
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: who we are truly meant to be. We have very
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: little traditional roles. If the garbage needs dumping, there are
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: days you dump it. If I'm the one that's noticing it,
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: I don't suddenly get upset and say, Scott, you haven't
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: dumped the garbage. I dumped the garbage.
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: I even do the dishes sometimes.
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: You do the dishes sometimes.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Not very often, but I do do the dishes sometimes.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: You know, and there's, you bring me, you cut beautiful
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: flowers yesterday from the sunflowers and brought into me. And
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: it's just those little surprises that take us out of
• 38:47
  Speaker 2: kind of a stuck role or just, you know, places
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: that we become so habitually comfortable in that we stop
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: looking to say, how do I show up and how
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: can it be different? And it feels so good when
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: it can be all in flow and that we do
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: for each other. And by doing for each other, we're
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: actually doing for ourselves.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Can I give you a metaphor that just came to me?
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can end with this. You can comment on it.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: but I remember back to our our wedding and then
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: I remember our honeymoon so we went on our honeymoon
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: to the island of Dominica the nature island 365 rivers
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: on that island it's volcanic hot springs everywhere it's one
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: of the most beautiful places I've ever been to in
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: my life it's it's a hidden gem.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: It really is fantastic and we stayed in a tree house.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: We stayed in a tree house for a week with
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: a tropical storm one night yes and um we had
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: an experience there where we went to the ocean and
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: uh we went swimming out into the ocean so ray doesn't.
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: Swim and it had champagne bubbles champagne bubbles it had
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: uh There were hot springs. Hot springs. So there was
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: like a lot of bubbles. It felt like you were
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: swimming in champagne bubbles. Yeah.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: We're snorkeling. So you can look down and you can
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: see all these champagne bubbles coming out. And we just
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: kept swimming out further and further. And Dominica is an
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: interesting place that the ocean just drops off into the abyss.
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. It goes from beautiful coral and fish to total black.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: Total blackness. And it's like this deep. beautiful kind of
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: turquoise blue water and then all of a sudden you
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: come to the edge and it's just dark, dark, dark,
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: dark blue. Do you remember that? Oh, vividly. So she
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: doesn't swim again and we're swimming out to the edge
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: of the abyss. Yes, we're snorkeling. And she's got her
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: floaty on. I've got a floaty on. We both had floaties.
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: So we didn't end up going to Puerto Rico or something.
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: We wanted to make sure we could get back to shore.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And as we As we're approaching that, I'm just thinking
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: about how you were looking for someone whose waters ran deep.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: That was definitely deep. And I was helping you and
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: I was guiding you along. And it's kind of the
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: way that things have gone. And now over the last
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: few years, you've started stepping into your creativity. You've witnessed
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: what I've been doing. Not that I was doing it right,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: because there was a lot of, fluctuations and ups and
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: downs through that whole process. But like you said, I
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: had moved into this place where, like the R.E.M. song,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I was letting go of my religion, all of the
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: dogmatic thinking, all of the stuff when we came together
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: and started moving into this very open place of creativity
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: through the photography and through the garden and music, as
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you said, And I've just witnessed you coming along the
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: way and witnessing it and then letting go of your
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: rigidness isn't the word. That's way too strong of a word,
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: but just more structured way.
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  Speaker 2: My caution.
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  Speaker 1: Your caution, yeah, to this place of freedom. You don't
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: have an issue with throwing your arms up into surrender now. Right.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: You're at a place now where you're, Stepping into that
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: in such a beautiful way. And it's going to make
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: a difference in your life and my life. But I
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: feel like it's also going to make a difference in
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: a lot of other people's lives as you share from
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: the deep well of experience that you have. Your waters
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: run deep too. It's not just mine. And you've discovered
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: that through this experience. And I'm so happy that you're
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: my favorite person. And I'm so happy that you're here
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: with me walking this journey of life. It's been pretty
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: amazing and will continue to be.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, honey, I love that.
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  Speaker 1: For the next 40.
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  Speaker 2: You are my favorite person. The next 40. How old
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: would we be? 105.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: 105. That's how old I'd be. You'd be 107. I'd
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: be 105.
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  Speaker 2: But I'm up for that. I mean, I just, I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: sometimes think like, oh, how did I get here to
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: be this age? And then other times I think like, whoa.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: What a ride to get here.
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: It is. Has been a ride.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: But thank you, darling. I love being in partnership with you.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so happy you're my favorite person.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, me too.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: And to all those out there that are happily in relationships,
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: keep it going. For those that are desiring for relationships
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: to be in their life, continue to Prepare yourself to
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: be the person you want to be in relationship.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: And then that person will find you.
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: That person will find you. And then together you will
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: embark on another whole journey of discovery.
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely. All right. So is that, do you feel complete?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I do feel complete. Thank you.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Thank you. And thanks for joining us. We're so honored
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: and grateful to have the space to be here together
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: on this equinox. episode of The Observatory. Thanks for joining us.
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