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Patriots Catch-22 9/17: 3 Up/Down vs. Dolphins, Drake Maye Breakdown, Steelers Preview · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Lazar and Alex Barth.
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  Speaker 2: Bar Blazarre and Lazarre.
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  Speaker 1: He everybody nailed it, joined as always by our Here
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  Speaker 1: is Evan Lazar and Alex bars.
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  Speaker 3: If you get that game from Will Campbell for seventeen
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  Speaker 3: games great, like the blocking, the penalties, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: like that can't happen if he If that happens in December,
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  Speaker 3: I'll hold it against him a lot more than happening
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  Speaker 3: in his first NFL start.
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  Speaker 2: I like how you're doing this podcast with David Andrews
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  Speaker 2: because now you're interested in the offense.
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  Speaker 3: I was always interested, but now I just feel more
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  Speaker 3: that's your No, don't say it was never interested.
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  Speaker 2: Not I'm saying interested in takes about it. Oh no,
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  Speaker 2: really I had, like you know, you just kind of
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  Speaker 2: this is.
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  Speaker 3: Your area events for no. I love it just to
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  Speaker 3: fault to you and like you looking at it.
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  Speaker 2: You did a podcast with David andrew Have you.
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  Speaker 3: Listened to it?
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  Speaker 2: I have not to it, but just two now, Will
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  Speaker 2: Campbell's a good jumping off point to this. I'm not
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  Speaker 2: ready to declare victory yet on Will Campbell Alex after
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  Speaker 2: two games one really really good game and one I
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  Speaker 2: think decent game like the opener could have been a
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  Speaker 2: little bit better in some areas, no doubt about it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not ready to declare victory yet on Will Campbell,
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  Speaker 2: but it's certainly trending in the right direction. On Will Campbell.
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  Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about what he's done over the
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  Speaker 2: first two games. Feel pretty good about the Patriots right now,
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  Speaker 2: good about their offense. It's amazing how much better you
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  Speaker 2: feel coming off a game, not necessarily even just that
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  Speaker 2: they won, but a game where the quarterback plays well.
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  Speaker 2: It's just the whole thing. Even if they go out
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  Speaker 2: on Sunday against Pittsburgh and lose, if Drake May gets
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  Speaker 2: into this shootout, back and forth game with Aaron Rodgers like,
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  Speaker 2: you're still going to come out of that game feeling
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  Speaker 2: really good about it. I want to talk offense. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna start with offense. Of course, we're gonna talk a
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  Speaker 2: little bit about what's going on with the Patriots defense.
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  Speaker 2: Not as good Alex on that side of the ball.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe some more problems over there than what we've seen
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  Speaker 2: with the offense. Are gonna do three up, three down?
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  Speaker 2: We're gonna talk little Steelers. We'll open the show up
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  Speaker 2: in the second half to your lovely calls and emails.
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  Speaker 2: But it's Evan Lazarre, Alex Barth, Alex behind the Glass,
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  Speaker 2: Patriots Catch twenty two, and I want to start with
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  Speaker 2: the offense. And I just want to say that there
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  Speaker 2: was two schools of thought after last week. I crashed
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  Speaker 2: out after the game last week against the Raiders, I
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  Speaker 2: crashed out. I was very unhappy about what I saw
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  Speaker 2: for the Patriots offense. I was really disappointed and kind
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  Speaker 2: of perplexed. And I think what I missed and last
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  Speaker 2: week's show because I let the emotional side of me
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  Speaker 2: get the best of me, and I kind of forgot
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  Speaker 2: to mention this last week. One of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I missed was the fact that in training camp we
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  Speaker 2: saw all of the bells and whistles that we saw
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  Speaker 2: against the Dolphins that we did not see in week
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  Speaker 2: one against the Raiders. We saw the motion, we saw
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  Speaker 2: the bootlegs, we saw the running backs getting vertical out
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  Speaker 2: of the backfield on wheel routes and things like that,
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  Speaker 2: and then they played the Raiders and none of it
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  Speaker 2: was there, Like it just they completely stripped it down.
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  Speaker 2: They almost treated it like a fourth preseason game, and
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  Speaker 2: they it just completely went out the door, and I
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  Speaker 2: was like, where is all the cool stuff? Like, where
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  Speaker 2: is all the fun stuff? Josh McDaniels, Where did it go?
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  Speaker 2: Because you were doing it in Minnesota and joint practices,
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  Speaker 2: you're doing it against Washington and joint practices. And then
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  Speaker 2: we got to the opener against the Raiders and I
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  Speaker 2: was given nothing to work with, and I was like,
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  Speaker 2: where's all the fun stuff? Then fast forward a week
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  Speaker 2: to Miami and then now this is more like it.
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  Speaker 2: This is what we were this is what we were
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  Speaker 2: looking for. So as much as I fully admit that
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  Speaker 2: I crashed out in week one, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 2: allow for See, you should have been patient, you should
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  Speaker 2: have given it more time. It was only one game.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to allow for that. Because the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: and I want to lay out some of the numbers
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  Speaker 2: here in a second speak to this. It was such
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  Speaker 2: a stark difference between what they called and what they
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  Speaker 2: ran in week one to what they ran in week
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  Speaker 2: two that I'm sorry, I'm not going to just sit
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  Speaker 2: there and say that I overreacted to week one because
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  Speaker 2: it was just a completely different thing. Like they completely
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  Speaker 2: threw out what they did in the opener against the
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  Speaker 2: Raiders that didn't work, and then did all the cool
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  Speaker 2: stuff that we were seeing in training camp over the
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  Speaker 2: summer and it paid dividends. Drake May was fantastic. This
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  Speaker 2: was his best game as a pro. I think by
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  Speaker 2: all accounts, whether you want to go I test that,
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  Speaker 2: you want to go stats, whether you want to go efficiency,
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  Speaker 2: pff gray, whatever you want to look at just across
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  Speaker 2: the board. But I want to stick on McDaniel's in
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  Speaker 2: the scheme because you know that that's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: And then we'll give Drake his flowers. Here. So a
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  Speaker 2: couple of numbers, and I published this in after further
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  Speaker 2: review this week. If all these numbers that I'm about
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  Speaker 2: to throw at you overwhelm your brain and you want
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  Speaker 2: to read them instead of hearing me say them, then
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  Speaker 2: you can go there. So in week one, the shotgun
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  Speaker 2: rate shotgun, how often Drake May was in shotgun almost
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  Speaker 2: seventy eight percent of the time in shotgun in week one.
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  Speaker 2: That was down to forty two percent of the time
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  Speaker 2: in week two. The other big one that really stood
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  Speaker 2: out to me, which is a stat that I am
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  Speaker 2: really starting to love that next gen kind of combines
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  Speaker 2: runs in play actions into run actions, so it's all
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  Speaker 2: one number baked in run plays, rush attempts combined with
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  Speaker 2: play action dropbacks. You with me, all right? So in
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  Speaker 2: week one thirty five percent run action rate for the Patriots.
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  Speaker 2: In week two they almost doubled that sixty percent in
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  Speaker 2: week two, so they were under center more. They were
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  Speaker 2: run plus play actioning more. And then, of course the
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  Speaker 2: big one the motion rate. The motion rate increases by
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  Speaker 2: over fifty percent sixty nine point two percent in week two,
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  Speaker 2: seventeen point six percent in week one, the lowest rate
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  Speaker 2: of motion in the NFL in Week one to one
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  Speaker 2: of the highest rate rates of motion in the NFL
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  Speaker 2: in Week two. They completely changed up what they did
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  Speaker 2: and whether or not in week one we were building
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  Speaker 2: to this point whether or not the game script or
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  Speaker 2: the game flow got away from them in Week one,
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  Speaker 2: which I'm also really not buying, because that game never
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  Speaker 2: really got away from them against the Raiders. It wasn't
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  Speaker 2: like they all of a sudden until the fourth quarter
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  Speaker 2: when they got down by ten points. They weren't ever
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  Speaker 2: out of that game where you had to get into
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  Speaker 2: drop back passing. They chose to not go this direction
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  Speaker 2: in week one and we two they did, and that
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  Speaker 2: brings us to Drake May which just my opening take
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  Speaker 2: on Drake May. I actually thought the fourth down throat
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  Speaker 2: a digs is what got him going? Are that converting
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  Speaker 2: the fourth down on not punting or turning the ball
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  Speaker 2: over on downs there on? The opening drive got him
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  Speaker 2: some confidence, got him going in the game. And then
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  Speaker 2: they started hitting the moving pockets right and you start
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  Speaker 2: moving him, moving his feet, getting him out on the run,
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  Speaker 2: having him read half the field instead of reading full
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  Speaker 2: field progressions, you know, reading more when you bootlegre you're
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  Speaker 2: reading more like posture, leverage of the defender. You're not
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  Speaker 2: getting so caught up in is it one high? Is
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  Speaker 2: it two high? As a man? Is its zone? Like
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  Speaker 2: all these different intricacies in the drop back game that
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  Speaker 2: you have to think about when you cut the field
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  Speaker 2: in half like that, all you're reading is one guy,
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  Speaker 2: like does this guy, you know, does he keep containing?
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  Speaker 2: First of all, right, does he bite or not bite?
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  Speaker 2: But then also is he playing it high to low
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  Speaker 2: or low to high? And where's the opening there on
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  Speaker 2: that side of the field. It simplifies things. He's great
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  Speaker 2: on the move, he's got the power arm to throw
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  Speaker 2: the ball from off platform on the move. So a
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  Speaker 2: combination of the fourth down play to Digs and then
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  Speaker 2: the boots after that leak obviously, and then the touchdown
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  Speaker 2: pass to Hollins that really I thought had him cooking
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  Speaker 2: like that really got him into this game and settled
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  Speaker 2: him down, and then he was absolutely fantastic from start
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  Speaker 2: to finish in this game for sixty minutes. So the
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  Speaker 2: play calling changed. I thought that this is exactly the
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  Speaker 2: way that they need to run this offense. Not to
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  Speaker 2: toot my own horn or pat myself on the back,
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  Speaker 2: but we talked about all this stuff last week, the
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  Speaker 2: importance of the run game, the importance of play action,
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  Speaker 2: the importance of motion. All of those things we touched
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  Speaker 2: on in the show last week. They did all of
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  Speaker 2: them this week. I'm a happy camper. I'm a happy
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  Speaker 2: camper today. That was exactly what I was looking for.
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  Speaker 2: What were your big picture takeaways from this game?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think how much they changed the offense and
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  Speaker 3: a lot of what you just said, I think, especially
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  Speaker 3: getting may on the move, rolling them out the moving pockets.
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  Speaker 3: But part of the reason you're able to do that
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  Speaker 3: with such success is the run game. You look at
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  Speaker 3: the end. It was early in the game, but even
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  Speaker 3: still the way they were running the ball and the
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  Speaker 3: league played to Austin Hooper. You go go back and
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  Speaker 3: watch that play and watch all three of the Dolphins
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  Speaker 3: linebackers on that play. They all bite incredibly hard. And
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  Speaker 3: what happens is Tyrell Thoughtson ends up in a spot
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  Speaker 3: where he essentially has to cover three people. They're in
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  Speaker 3: zone and the other two linebackers are just so far
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  Speaker 3: downhill they're kind of out of the play, and he's
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  Speaker 3: got Jack west Over going one way, he's got Austin
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  Speaker 3: Hooper going the other, and then I think the back
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  Speaker 3: was in there too. There was somebody else kind of
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  Speaker 3: in that area. And he starts following west Over and
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  Speaker 3: Austin Hooper runs the route up along the sideline all alone.
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  Speaker 3: And honestly, you know, not to nitpick, because Drake may
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  Speaker 3: was awesome, like you said, but if it's a better throw,
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  Speaker 3: a Hooper maybe walks in with a touchdown. So their
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  Speaker 3: ability to run the ball, their ability to run the
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  Speaker 3: ball between the tackles, their ability to run the ball.
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  Speaker 3: When I say without gimmicks, they definitely dressed it up
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  Speaker 3: a little bit. They did some bells and whistles, but
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  Speaker 3: you know, you go back to last week where they
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  Speaker 3: struggled to run the ball and I think they ultimately
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  Speaker 3: ran for like three point four yards per carry against
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  Speaker 3: the Raiders. That number is pretty significantly inflated by that
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  Speaker 3: fake tush push and around a Trevon Henderson, which is
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  Speaker 3: like not a real traditional run play. You're not building
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  Speaker 3: anything off of that outside of maybe keeping the other
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  Speaker 3: team on us if you want to run a toush push.
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  Speaker 3: So in terms of just you know, meat and potatoes runs, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: and some it's dressed up with motion, but things that
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  Speaker 3: he runs you can build off of runs you're gonna
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  Speaker 3: call on a regular basis. They were much better. They
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  Speaker 3: were much better between the tackles, and some of that
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  Speaker 3: goes to Drake May. So I'll reference to David Andrews
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  Speaker 3: podcast again. Something that he pointed out is one of
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  Speaker 3: May's best plays was a run play where he motions
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  Speaker 3: he so they motion Hunter Henry out from the fallback
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  Speaker 3: to the left side off tackle, and then he may
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  Speaker 3: see something pulls mac hollins in literally points out the assignment.
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  Speaker 3: They then run, they pull Jared Wilson they run behind him.
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  Speaker 3: That was Ramondre's twenty one yard run. And it's set
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  Speaker 3: up because Drake makes that adjustment, calls it out the
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  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, so building. And then they used a
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  Speaker 3: similar motion sequence and a similar look on the pass too.
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  Speaker 3: And they did this with a separate motion too in there,
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  Speaker 3: but there's a kind of similar look on the touchdown
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  Speaker 3: to mac hollins. So they were able to run the ball,
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  Speaker 3: they were able to get downhill. I think you saw
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  Speaker 3: in this game why Ramondre Stevenson We've taken a little
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  Speaker 3: bit of heat for kind of Oh, why don't you
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  Speaker 3: want Travon Henderson has involved Haven't you seen how good
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  Speaker 3: he is in the preseason? And I don't think you
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  Speaker 3: can build it all in Vermondre either. I'm not going
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  Speaker 3: to sit here and say that's why Ramondre Stephenson, Ramondre
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  Speaker 3: Stevenson should be their feature back. No, neither one should
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  Speaker 3: be their feature back. But when you get Ormandre a
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  Speaker 3: lane doesn't have to be a big lane, but you
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  Speaker 3: get them a lane and you let him get up
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  Speaker 3: to that second level and now it's a linebacker or
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  Speaker 3: even a safety that he is taking on and he
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  Speaker 3: can try to make that guy miss or at least
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  Speaker 3: he's gonna win the tackle more often than not. What
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  Speaker 3: I mean by that is he's not somebody that's getting
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  Speaker 3: tackled backwards. Right when he gets tackled, he's still falling
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  Speaker 3: forward and picking up some hidden yardage there, a couple
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  Speaker 3: of yards one or two as he gets brought to
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  Speaker 3: the ground. When you can let him get up to
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  Speaker 3: the second level and do that, it really changes how
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  Speaker 3: their whole offense can operate. And he's built for those
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  Speaker 3: body blows and away Travon Henderson isn't. So I think
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  Speaker 3: it all started with the run game. Drake May was awesome.
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  Speaker 3: This was the best game of his career. I think
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  Speaker 3: if you get that level of quarterback played from him regularly,
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  Speaker 3: and by the way, three or four halfs this year,
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  Speaker 3: he's been really good. For whatever that's worth. Because I
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  Speaker 3: know everybody took their victory lap on JJ McCarthy for
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  Speaker 3: playing one good quarter of four.
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  Speaker 2: Last so a lot of your own victory lap.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, if I is it wrong to say
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  Speaker 3: Drake May has played three or four halves a very
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  Speaker 3: good football I know.
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  Speaker 2: I think the first half of the Raiders game was
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  Speaker 2: better than maybe he got credited.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was solid. It's because of what happened next, right,
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  Speaker 3: and that that can't happen like he's got to sustain,
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  Speaker 3: but he's sustained, didn't turn them all over, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: So I thought he was really good in this game.
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  Speaker 3: But I think it all started with their ability to
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  Speaker 3: finally get the run game going and everything was built
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  Speaker 3: off of that. So much as happy as I am
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  Speaker 3: as he Drake made do it he did, I don't
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  Speaker 3: want to take anything away from him. That was kind
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  Speaker 3: of the expectation that he was going to look like that, right,
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  Speaker 3: And I think the bigger development for me might be
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  Speaker 3: how well they ran the football.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was what we were harping on
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  Speaker 2: last week. It was you know what I led with
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  Speaker 2: and after further of you after week one, is that
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  Speaker 2: this team is built to run the football, like. They
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  Speaker 2: have to be able to run the football offensively. They
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  Speaker 2: cannot be a drop back pass team that drops back
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  Speaker 2: forty five times a game like that's just not a
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  Speaker 2: winning formula for them. And not only does the run game,
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  Speaker 2: you know, take a load off of that in respect
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  Speaker 2: to volume, but you also start to set things up,
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  Speaker 2: you start to move the pocket, which helps the offensive
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  Speaker 2: line like that. Drake May attempted what twenty three passes
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  Speaker 2: in this game, I think it was, and then five
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  Speaker 2: of them were on moving pockets. So really all you're
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  Speaker 2: doing is you're drop back passing seventeen times for the
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  Speaker 2: totality of a game. So when you start to look at.
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  Speaker 3: The Nithers, couple like screens in there too, right.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not trying to discredit the offensive line and
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  Speaker 2: what they did in pass protection, because I thought that
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  Speaker 2: they were really good in this game. But that's the
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  Speaker 2: formula for this Patriots team because now you're shrinking the
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  Speaker 2: amount of exposures to drop that passing for that offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: So now Will Campbell has fewer true pass sets, Morgan
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  Speaker 2: Moses has true pass sets, Garrett Bradberry and Jared Wilson
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  Speaker 2: in the interior have fewer true pass sets, And it
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  Speaker 2: just takes away all of the sort of flaring ups
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  Speaker 2: that we saw last week where the as protection late
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  Speaker 2: in the game and against the Raiders gets out of whack.
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  Speaker 2: Drake May has more sprays because he's throwing the football
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  Speaker 2: more like this is the way that they need to
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  Speaker 2: play football. Offensively and then just be ultra efficient with
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  Speaker 2: their passes, which is exactly what they were. And that's
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  Speaker 2: the type of offense that they want to build and
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  Speaker 2: want to be. And this goes back all the way
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  Speaker 2: to January, which I'm probably going to reference a decent
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  Speaker 2: amount here today. Was that introductory press conference by Mike
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  Speaker 2: Rabel where he said he wants to be an efficient
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  Speaker 2: passing team, not a high volume passing team, but an
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  Speaker 2: efficient passing team. And in week one or excuse me,
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  Speaker 2: week two, Drake May led the entire NFL and expected
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  Speaker 2: points outed per dropback. He was the most efficient quarterback
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  Speaker 2: in the league in week two. That's what they're looking for.
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  Speaker 2: Wasn't that they threw it fifty times. They threw it
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  Speaker 2: twenty three or twenty five times or whatever it was
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  Speaker 2: with all the scrambles, and they were just really efficient
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  Speaker 2: in those twenty five dropbacks. And that's exactly what this
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  Speaker 2: team is built for and what they're looking for, which
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  Speaker 2: Drake May just to kind of close the loop on
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  Speaker 2: him before we move on to some of the other things. Oh, actually,
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  Speaker 2: really quickly, I want to just take you back off
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  Speaker 2: your point about Remandre. One of the things that I
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  Speaker 2: always monitor with Remandre is Remandre to me is a
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  Speaker 2: head of steam running back like he's somebody that needs
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  Speaker 2: to be able to get through the first level unblocked
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  Speaker 2: or untouched, I should say, so that he can pick
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  Speaker 2: up ahead of steam like, because he breaks tackles when
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: he's moving at a decent pace. He's not a in
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: a phone boot jitter bug. I'm going to break tackles
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: when my feet are standing still. He's a guy that
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: once he gets downhill, his contact balance and his ability
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: to avoid tackles in the open field really improves. So
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: one of the things that next Gen tracks and I'm
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: stats heavy today, but whatever.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: One of the things that Evan's using the nerd stuff.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: One of the things that next Gen tracks is how
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: fast the running back hits the line of scrimmage, Like
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: what is his speed at the line of scrimmage on
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: his rush attempts? And every week I always go and
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: look in to Remondres and see where that was? Where
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: was that number? And usually when he has a bad game,
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: that number is very low, and when he has a
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: good game, that number is higher. And that's exactly how
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: week one to week two work for the Patriots. So
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: it all starts with getting the guys on the first
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: level blocked for him. Once he gets into the second level,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: with some speed and some momentum, he's able to make
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: people miss. With Drake may, I thought what really stood
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: out to me in this game wasn't necessarily the high
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: level plays. There were a couple of those, but it
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: was the lack of negative plays. So he really just
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: didn't make very many mistakes in this game, never put
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: the ball in harm's way. I had him for two
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: minus plays the entire game. I thought that he was
• 17:52
  Speaker 2: extremely sharp with his decision making. He was decisive, he
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: protected the football. He was accurate, which is a big thing.
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Coming off Week one, he seemed to get his mechanics
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: back in order and started to throw the ball more accurately.
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: And then, you know, the one play that I think
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: I probably watched about fifteen times at this point is
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: obviously the fifty five yarder to Remandre where he just
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: makes a hell of a play, you know, great pocket movement.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: What I loved so much about that play in terms
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: of the pocket movement was not necessarily the slide up
• 18:26
  Speaker 2: in the pocket. It was the fact that he got
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: his feet settled back down after he slid back up
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: in the pocket, So get you know, slide up, avoid
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: the pressure and then get your base back right, get
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: your feet settled back down instead of trying to throw
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: the ball from you know, kind of a wonky platform there.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: He kind of settles his feet back down, gets himself
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: balanced again, and then throws the football. That was just
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: a beautiful play. And then of course he runs in
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: for six yards in a touchdown at the end of
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: that drive and kind of just puts the team on
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: the back on his back and a time where they
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: really really needed it. So as much as he wasn't
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: doing a ton of heavy lifting, I thought early on
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: in this game, he delivered on that drive with a
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: lot of heavy lifting. So it kind of outset the
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: fact that they schemed open some stuff early and like
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the plan was really good and that contributed to a
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: lot of the plays early on. And so basically what
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: I'm saying is is like he only had one big
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: time throw in this game. Yeah, but I think that
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: that's a really deceiving stat this week because of how
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: he hit all the layups early and then of course
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: he basically let a touchdown drive all by himself in
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: the second.
• 19:31
  Speaker 3: He did what he needed to do. I think this
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: is a the box score under sells how good he
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: was in this game. I'll give you another example. Everybody's
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: been waiting for him to get that fourth quarter game
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: winning drive, right, everybody wants him to get that stat
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: in the in the box score. Well, they score a
• 19:43
  Speaker 3: go ahead touchdown with six seconds to go in the third,
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: so he doesn't get that one, and then the goal
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: ahead touchdown the fourth quarters on a kick return, So
• 19:51
  Speaker 3: he ultimately didn't get it, But didn't he feel like
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: he kind of carried that didn't feel like he kind
• 19:55
  Speaker 3: of carried them late there. So yeah, I think this
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: one goes beyond the box score. I just thought, again,
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: he it felt like he was in and players around
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: were struggling. Travon Henderson was struggling. He didn't get much
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: from the wide receivers. I thought the line was fine,
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: but this felt like him maybe elevating a little bit
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: and playing above what was given him.
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: Definitely, the drive in the third quarter was probably the
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: biggest flash of like Drake may elevating that we've seen
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: with him as a pro. Just a great throw to
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Remandre and like I said, they kind of messed up
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: the pass protection on the touchdown run. And that's just
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: the advantage of having a mobile quarterback and a guy
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: like Drake May that can create out of structure. Now, Judon,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: they missed. They messed up the mic point and they
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: didn't block Jude On coming off the edge, and then
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: Judon comes unblocked off the edge, and for a lot
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: of quarterbacks, that's a sack or a throwaway. That's just
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the dead play, right. They just can't get anything off
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: and he just runs away. He just runs away from
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: Judon and runs into the end zone. Really a great
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: a great drive, great moment for May. Did I do enough? Gushing?
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Did I did? I did?
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: I did?
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Enough Flowers because now we got to talk about
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff that that didn't go so well,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: and not a lot of it on offense. Like I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: don't really have a lot of gripes with the offense
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: right now. But the Patriots defense is struggling, especially their
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: pass defense. Their run defense has been okay. I thought
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: they cleaned it up in the second half. Shut out
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: to Anthony Jennings who kind of came in this game
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: in the second half and started to set the edge
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: and started to get the run defense back in order.
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: But pass defense wise, the numbers are what they are,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: league high six hundred and seventy seven pass yards through
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: two weeks.
• 21:39
  Speaker 3: Ten point three yards per tenth league high. They're the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: only team in the league that's allowed a three hundred
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: yard passer in each of the first two games.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So they're thirty first in the league and pass rating,
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: like we can just rattle off all these numbers like
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: they're they're in the bottom of the league in pretty
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: much every statistical category against the pass. And the big
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: thing to me, just kind of you know, unpacking it
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: even further with the pass defense, is that this team,
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and going back to Carlton Davis's introductory press conference, this
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: team wanted to play man to man coverage. They wanted
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Carlton Davis on one side, Christian Gonzalez on the other side,
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: man to man across the board and then let that
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: pass rush heet, you know, make the quarterback hold the football,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: jam receivers throw off the timing, make them hold it,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: and then you let Milton Williams and Barmore and Landry
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: and those guys get home. They have not been able
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: to play man coverage. They've been one of the worst
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: teams in the league in man coverage as well. They're
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: giving up over eleven yards per pass attempt in man
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: coverage through two weeks. So this is not how they
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: were built. This was not the vision in the offseason
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: to play this way. So you can take that two ways.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: You could sit here and take it half class, class
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: half full and say just need Gonzo back, right, just
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: get zero back, and all of this is going to
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: go back to the way that they envision. The other
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: side of it, though, is that there are guys that
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: they need to rely on in this secondary, with or
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: without Christian Gonzalez that are getting picked on, mainly the linebackers,
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: Alex Austin, a little bit of the safeties as well,
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: if those middle of the field defenders, particularly because once
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Gonzo comes back, Alex Austin will go back to sort
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: of a rotational role and not be asked to cover
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: Jalen Waddle and Tyreek Hill probably, so that kind of
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: settles that whole thing down. But the linebackers and the
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: safeties and past coverage, if you're going to be a
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: man to man team, they're going to have the backs
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: and tight ends a lot in this season how do
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: they figure that out? Where's your concern level right now
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: with the pass defense because the numbers are not good.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: So it's twofold. On one hand, I think getting Christian
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: Zalez back is certainly gonna help. I mean, they're missing
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: their best player. They're missing their best player.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Who happen if to be the best cover corner in
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the league.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Right, You're gonna feel that. You're absolutely gonna feel that.
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: So I think getting him back will be a chunk
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: of this. But I don't know how Christian Gonzalez coming
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: back helps Robert Splaine play better in coverage, helps christianell
• 24:15
  Speaker 3: has play better in coverage. We cite the yardage right,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: the raw yardage of what they're giving up, and it's
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: it's kind of jarring. It's a lot thirty five. I
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: think it's just over thirty five percent of the pass
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: yards they've allowed. You got me doing it now, based
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: on PFF has come when targeting a linebacker, and the
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: vast majority of that is on Roberts Splaine and Chrishnellis.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: There's a little bit of Martem Appu in there, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: I'd say thirty percent of their yards against him coverage
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: has come against more than thirty percent has come against
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: just two linebackers. So what do you do in that case, Well,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: when you get Gonzales back, now you have him and
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: Davis on the outside, so you can, you know, put
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: more help there and put more help towards the middle
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: of the field and line and tight ends. Not every
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: running back two is going to be Devon a Chan
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: who obviously has tremendous speed and is a matchup nightmare.
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: It's not to say you won't face other good receiving backs.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: There's a bit of an exception there, But at a
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: certain point, Robert Splain is supposed to be a three
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: down linebacker. Nobody's asked him to be Fred Warner, but
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: he can't be this much of a liability and coverage
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: that he's getting hunted the way he is. Christianellis is
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: a covers linebacker. That's the guy they brought back the
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: Raiders were going to sign as an RFA and they matched.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: At a certain point, you just might need those guys
• 25:32
  Speaker 3: to play better. And I know that's not the answer
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: anybody wants to hear, and that's not really what we
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: do on this show. We kind of talk about the
• 25:38
  Speaker 3: schematics of this and that as they noticed no more
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: uh haas behind the logo.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well not on this logo. It's on like
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: the It's on like the Apple.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: Because I saw Brady talking about it, so I realized that,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: I know, on the show, you know, we'd normally get
• 25:51
  Speaker 3: more of the schematics of and again, when you get
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Gonzales back, I think there'll be more opportunity to give
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: some help. But at a certa and point, those guys
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: just have to cover.
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, that's a good point. I do think that
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: they are. There are things that they could do to
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: help out Roberts playing. I think they're asking a lot
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of Roberts playe right now. I'm glad that you pointed
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: that out with a Chan. I know, hen killed them,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: but Han kills a lot of people. He's a really
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: good player, and not only is he explosive, but he's
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: quick and he's just a matchup nightmare for any linebacker.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: So one of the things that I would just nitpick
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: from the coaching staff standpoint here is that you need
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: to start going into games treating running backs like Chan
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: as a game plan player. Like you can't just go
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: into that game like you would any other week. And
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: just say you know, the linebacker's got him right like that.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: That's got to be more of a game plan oriented thing.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Whether you know that situation where they give up the
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: twenty nine yard touchdown before halftime, Like maybe that's Kyle
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: Duggart on a chan Maybe that's another safety. If you
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: don't like Kyle dugger in that spot, maybe you try
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Marte Mappuo, I know, gave up the eighteen yarder. But
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: like is a little bit more athletic and a little
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: bit better in space and has the safety background. You
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: have to treat him as a different kind of cat,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: Like that's not a just run of the mill running
• 27:19
  Speaker 2: back out of the backfield route. That is a dynamic
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: skill player in space coming out of the backfield there.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: So the coaching staff needs to help out Roberts play
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: in a little bit. I don't want to go as
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: too far to say that they're leaving him out to
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: dry because he's got to play better. But they're asking
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: a lot of robert splay, especially in coverage, and I
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: think that they can help him out by taking him
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: out of some of those band coverage situations. It might
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: be a situation where he is a little bit more
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: Jawan Bentley than what we thought. Not exactly the same player,
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: but Jwan Bentley, if he was playing on third down
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: with the Patriots over the years, was in the past
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: rush They did not drop Jawan Bentley in coverage you often,
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: especially not man coverage. So you might have to start
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: treating Robert Splaine like a like a two down player.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: So maybe a three down player going to right that
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: that's the big question. Now, Mapu had a little bit
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: of an audition that did not go so hot. You know,
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: he got the pick, but he also gave up the
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: eighteen yard completion that could have been a touchdown if
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: the chalk is a little bit further out wide there
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: what the fields fifty three.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: And a half yards touchdown in Canada?
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: If it's a fifty four you know yard wide field,
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: then it's a touchdown. Uh. The other answer that I've
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: thought about a little bit, and I know this is
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: maybe a tad outside the box, but would they ever
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: think about playing Kyle Dugger at the second level?
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: But wasn't the whole thing in camp? The Kyle Dugger
• 28:45
  Speaker 3: was struggling and coverage, specifically.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: With deep coverage, Like I'm talking like if he's covering
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: a running back out of the back. I would like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: to think so, and you got to be he's on
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: the TV.
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: They got they gotta try something, right, So you've got
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: to try.
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: Something on third down. I do one if they play
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: more three safety dime, so six defensive backs, three corners,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: three safeties, and then they have an ability there to
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: use that third safety as a matchup player in man
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: demand coverage, whether that's against a pass catching tight end
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: or a pass catching running back. And that way there
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: you're not leaving Splain and Ellis as the two guys
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: on the running backs. The other thing that I thought
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: from this game defensively that stood out to me was
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: just they tried to play a lot of zone coverage
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: early on. They played a ton of cover two two
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: high safety cover two early on in this game. And
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: Vrabel said it after the game. They were conceding the
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: whole shots to Tua, Like if Tuo was gonna throw
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the ball outside the numbers on those corner routes, they
• 29:44
  Speaker 2: were just gonna give those to him. They were going
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: to concede them into To his credit, he threw three
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: corner hole shots and hit all three of them for explosives.
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Eighteen yard touchdown to Wattle and then two twenty plus
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: yard plays, one to Hill and one to Wattle. So
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: they we're willing to give up those those areas of
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the field and to a burn them. Now, the pivot
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: would probably be to play man coverage, right, if he's
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: killing you on the corner routes, well, the obvious answer
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: would be then to pivot de man coverage. But they
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: don't have the ability to pivot demand coverage right now
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: at a successful level. So they ended up only playing
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: four snaps of man coverage the entire game, and to
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: a torch to them on all four snaps, right, So
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: they were kind of caught between a rock and a
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: hard place coverage wise, of you know, he's taken what
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: we're giving him in Cover two and he's hitting those things,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: so we can't just sit into high safety Cover two.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: And then when we play man, we can't man because
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: we can't cover the receivers. And so I know there's
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: a lot of talk early on in this game about
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: the pass rush through the first three quarters, where they
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: only had a couple pressures through the first three quarters.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: But I'm watching the game and I'm looking at the
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: numbers and two us getting the ball out and like
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: two like less than two seconds at some point in
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: this game, right in the second to third quarter range.
• 31:04
  Speaker 2: I think it was one point nine seconds per attempt,
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: you know, in terms of the average time that Tuo
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: was holding the football. I don't care. If you have
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: the best defensive line in football, You're not getting home
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: in two seconds. Like, it's just not possible. So as
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the game wore on, they did have some calls up
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: their sleeve. To Zach Kerr and Mike Rabel's credit, they
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: pulled out some calls in the fourth quarter that were
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: a little bit different that forced two and to hold
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: the ball. And then all of a sudden you start
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: noticing Landry and you start noticing Milton Williams. So this
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: is a coverage problem. This isn't a pass rush problem, right.
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: I actually think their pass rush has been almost near
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: dominant when they've had opportunities to rush the quarterback over
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the first two weeks. What they need to do is
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: cover better. And it's simple to just say Christian Gonzalez
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: is going to come back and he's going to fix everything,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: but they're still going to have these problems in the
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: middle of the flame.
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: He'll fix some things. He'll he'll fix some things, but
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: it's really that linebacker coverage and covering running backs and
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: covering tight ends where they're still Gonzalez will help that
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: a little bit because you can maybe attribute more help
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: that way, but it's not going to fix everything.
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: All right, last thing I want to hit on and
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: then we can do three up, three down, and then
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: we'll all open the show there is It's very fair.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: And I waited thirty minutes to say this because I
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: didn't want to. I didn't want to cloud everything here.
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: It's very fair to point out the fact that the
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: Miami Dolphins are in trouble right now. The Dolphins are
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: not good. They're not good offensively. They woke up a
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: little bit in this game. Defensively, they've been a train
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: wreck through two weeks. Daniel Jones looked just as good
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: against them in Week one as Drake May did.
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: Daniel Jones looked good last week against the Broncoswich was
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: one of the best defenses of football a shit.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: So maybe the Indiana Jones is just turning it around.
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: But as much as you have to take it with
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: a grain of salt because of the opponent, and what's
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: going on with Miami and my guy, and I know
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: you're gonna take a victory lap when this happens. If
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: they get blown out by Buffalo tomorrow night on Thursday
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: Night football. I don't know if Mike McDaniel's gonna coach
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: in the Dolphins next week.
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: So Mike McDaniel even get on the plane, I don't
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: know so, and I'll be honest, is the only reason
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: he is a job right now because they're playing on
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Thursday night could be because you just you really don't Logistically,
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: it's a night Mary, it sounds weird. Logistically is like
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: a mania buy for them.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: So if it doesn't go well on Thursday night, they
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: have this the weekend off and try to sit on
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: it and figure it out. A big reason why the
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: Patriots won this game. I don't want to take away
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: anything from from the Pats, That's why I waited to
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: say this, but a big reason why the Patriots won
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: this game was because of the Dolphins. The Dolphins defense
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: is wretched, and not only is it wretched, but you
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: can take a victory lap on this. They absolutely self
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: destructed at the end of this game. Uh and Mike
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: McDaniels self destructed at the end of this game because
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: they had a delay a game because they couldn't get
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: the play call in shock. They had a bad like
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: substitution or something like that happened that led to another penalty.
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: They went from what was it, like first and ten
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: from the twenty six after the h HN catch to
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: like second and twenty five, all on their own doing.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: The Patriots took advantage of it, though, And that's what
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I want to harp on here to kind of, you know,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: bring it back to a good thing for the Patriots.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: What was Mike Rabel's first step for.
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: This football good enough to take advantage of bad football?
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: That's exactly what they did that That's exactly what that
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: win was. And they played some bad football themselves that
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: they have to clean up. But you know, I texted
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: a buddy mine after the game, the last two years
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: in that sort of game, the Patriots are who the
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: Dolphins were, Right, It's okay, we got a big return
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: and then we gave one up. We hit a big
• 34:50
  Speaker 3: play and then we you know, we committed these penalties
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: that kind of offset it. So that's not to say
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: they were perfect. They certainly made their share of mistakes.
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: I think they were called for. I know they were
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: had twelve accepted penalties. I think the actual number was
• 35:04
  Speaker 3: like fifteen or sixteen. And we talked about this last
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: week in the Reeler fake thing. I think the penalties
• 35:09
  Speaker 3: are going to be a thing, at least to start
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: the year. More than half of those called penalties are
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: against rookies, Travon Henderson and three of them. And on
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: top of rookies, you just got a lot of guys who,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: even as veterans, are in a new system and are
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: going to have to figure it out. So they had
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: their mistakes. I'm not gonna say they didn't have their mistakes,
• 35:24
  Speaker 3: but at the end of the day, they didn't make
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: the last win. They didn't make the biggest one, and
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: that's not going to win you a Super Bowler. And hey,
• 35:30
  Speaker 3: we didn't make the worst mistake in this game. You know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: that doesn't make you a Super Bowl contender. But it's
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: the first step, and realistically, this thing's going to be
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: a process.
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: So it's the first step. And it's been well probably
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: since the last time they scored thirty points. So the
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: Bailey Zappy game in twenty twenty two which was a
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: flash in the pan, let's face it, but they scored
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: thirty in Cleveland that day. The Browns were also a mess,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: and I took advantage of bad football in Cleveland that day.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: But I think to consistently go back to when the
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: offense was able to take advantage of bad football, you
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: probably have to go back to Max rookie season. Yeah,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: that's honestly how long it's been since they've had good
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: enough offense that when they get a matchup with a
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: running back on a linebacker down the field, they make
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: the play, or when they can pull defenders out of
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: their zone drops on play action, they hit the plays
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: down the field, like the one to Hooper or the
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: touchdown Hollins, like those plays they just haven't been making
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: over the last two or three years. They were able
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: to take advantage of bad football. And I know that
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: some people get bothered when you look ahead, but we
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: don't play the game, so we can look ahead. It's fine,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: trust me. Like they're not looking ahead, but we can't
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: their schedule. If you just go into some of these
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: games against the Miamis, the Carolinas, the New Orleans, the Clevelands,
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the Tennessee's if you go into some of these games
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: and you just don't stink as bad as the other team,
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: that you're gonna see some wins start to pile up
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: for the team like that, that is set up for them.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: It's taking advantage of bad football to.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Just be to let the other team out suck you.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: That's it. Yeah, And they can go into five, six,
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: seven of these games, I would say, and we might
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: be able. We'll see what happens with the Bengals without
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. That's another game now in November. The Patriots
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: probably aren't going to have to face Joe Burrow when
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: they play the Bengals. It's Cleveland, it's Tennessee, it's New Orleans,
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: it's Carolina. Who the heck knows what's gonna happen with
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: the Jets between now and the time the Patriots play
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: them the Giants. Is that going to be Jackson Dart
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: in that game? Is that going to be Russell Wilson played?
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: He played okay this week.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: But there's probably seven or eight games on their schedule
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: that if at the bare minimum, they take that first
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: step this year with my with Mike Rable of taking
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: advantage of bad football where they could go realistically five
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: and two, six and one in that stretch of games,
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: and that's a great first step for this team. So
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: there you go. I waxed poetic. I gave him their flowers. Nice,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: good game, thank you. Three up, three down, and then
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: we're gonna move on. We're and talk some Steelers and
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: take your calls and emails. Number one up? Is it both,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: Drake May? For both of us here the number one up?
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: Drake May. I had him, like I said, eleven plus
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: two minus, his best game as a pro, no doubt
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: about it. Is there anything else you want to add?
• 38:25
  Speaker 3: I think we said all he was really good? Number
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: two ramondra Sevenson got the same list. Kyan already talked
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: about it. His ability to make plays, is a runner
• 38:34
  Speaker 3: and is a passer, and his ability to create hidden
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: yardage and break tackles and things like that. Chelsea, what
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: he can be when he's right. Now, don't run him
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: into the ground like you have the last few years,
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: because we see he can't beat his player all year
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: when he's getting three hundred touches. He got to keep
• 38:47
  Speaker 3: Travon Henderson involved. We'll get to Travon Henderson. But when
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: he's right he can be a weapon for the offense.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: So Remandre, of course, I just lost my dock here
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: Andre one yard run, fifty five yard catch, and then
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: he had that fourteen yard screen on a third down
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: backed up. That was a sneaky big play in this game.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: Made a guy miss I had no business getting the
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: sticks in that play, and he did a really sneaky game.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know if they just called the screens at
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: the right time or if Drake was checking into the screens,
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: but they caught Miami in two blitzes on screens. One
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: was a fifteen yard reception by Travon Henderson and one
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: was a fourteen yard third down and twelve where Remandre
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: gained fourteen yards where they brought the house to that
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: side of the field. They overloaded the side of the
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: field and the Patriots just snuck Remindre right behind the
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: blitz on a screen. So whether it was a well
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: time call by Josh McDaniels or a great check by
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: Drake may either way like that, that's really good offense
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: and good news for them. So I also had Remandre
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: in this game. I thought he was fantastic. Who's number three?
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: Number three? So actually had four ups Number three Josh mctangils.
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: I just like the way everything you said off the top.
• 40:07
  Speaker 3: I like the way that they adjusted. I like the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: changes they made from week to week. I think those
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: really helped. He deserves credit for this game certainly.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Number three on my list. The rookies on
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: the left side of the offensive line. Yeah, they're both
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Will Campbell Jared Wilson. Both pitch shutouts. Now, like I
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: said earlier, they really only had like seventeen or so
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: true drop back past sets, so it wasn't a ton
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: of volume. I would also put out there, Bradley Chubb
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: right now is just not the same guy coming off
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: this knee injury. He's compromised. But at the same time,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: I thought Will Campbell was terrific in this game. He
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: was in complete control of that matchup in pass pro.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: He had three really dominant standout run blocks in this game.
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: One of them came on the fifteen yarder to Gibson
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: on the wham scheme where he got up to the
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: second level and turned the guy out. He was terrific
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: throughout this entire game and just kind of dominated Bradley Chubb.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: He Bradley Chubb did not do anything of note. Jared
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Wilson also really good. Saw a little bit of Zach
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: Seeler in this game. Was an underrated player on the
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: interior there for the Dolphins and was able to hold
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: up really well. Had a really good block on the
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: two point conversion, brought Remandra into the end zone on
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: that play. But like I said in the beginning of
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: the show, I'm not going to take any victory laps
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: yet on Will Campbell. I'm not declaring it a win
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: just yet. But kid looks like he can play. There
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: are gonna be some ups and downs, there's gonna be
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: some bumps in the road. But I think what we're
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: seeing through two weeks is that I don't think the
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: arm length thing and the physical limitations is gonna be
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: why this kid fails. I really don't. I think he's
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: plenty good enough to overcome that is gonna be perfect,
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: Absolutely not. But I think through two weeks and through
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: training camp, I can confidently say that there is that's
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: not going to be why if it goes south for him,
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: It's not going to be the arm.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: It was funny I said on the radio last night,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: if everybody would have just gotten past the arms for
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: five minutes in the spring, I would have told you,
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: and I think I mentioned it very briefly on this show.
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: I don't know how many shows we even got through it.
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: My biggest concern with Will Campbell was not the arm length.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: It was that he developed a little bit of a
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: penalty problem last year at LS. He was very good
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: the first two years and then last year. I think
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: he had seven penalty He had more last year, and
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: he did the first years combined, so the penalty self
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: to come down. He had another fall start in this game.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: I know Vrabel said he didn't see him move. There
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: might be a little bit of a flinch there, but
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: I thought it. I thought so too. But I mean
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: he's in his second game in the NFL. Like the
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: penalties are something. First game on the road, that's first
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: game on the road. That's very coachable, and first game
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: on the road. It's interesting. Andrew's mentioned he noticed they
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: were going back and forth between a verbal count and
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: a head bob count. So it was a tough in
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: that regard. But if the penalties come down, I mean
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: he's that as a blocker. This is he's a starting
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: caliber left tackle. He's a solid, starting caliber left tackle
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: right now through two games. Like you said earlier, I'm
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: not gonna take the whole victory lap on that, But
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: if this is an indication of who he's gonna be,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I think you feel pretty good about that. As long
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: as as he kind of trims down the penalties, that's
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: the one thing you're looking at. This is exactly what
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: they by the way we talked about him, you know,
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: really winning against Bradley Chubb. He's finishing against Bradley Chubb.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: I mean he put him on the ground a few times.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: He got his hands on him and just ended the reps. Now,
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Bradley Chubb is not who he once was. I think
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: that has to be said. I'm really interested this week,
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: so I don't think not to get too much into
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: the Steelers right away. But I don't think Alex Heismith
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: is going to play in this game. He had a
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: high ankles game last week.
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Tom said he's not.
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think he's gonna be out. Nick Herbig
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: the back their third pass rusher there, Watt. You know
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: high Smith. Herbig is sneaky good. He's a really good
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: speed rusher and he's kind of the type of guy
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: that I was a little bit concerned about with Will Campbell.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: Where if you get those guys that can really threaten
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: the corner off the snap, and Will Campbell over commits,
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: that's when he gets beat to the inside. That's when
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: that inside move was getting him in college. So I'm
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: interested to see how he looks. He's gonna face better guys,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: And I think what's what's been really nice for the
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Patriots here is all the good rushers have been rushing
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: over the right tackle for the first two weeks and
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: will next week two with TJ. Watt. So Max Crosby
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: is a right tackle guy, Jaln Phillips is a right
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: tackle guy, and now t J. Watt is a right
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: tackle guy. So they haven't really had like the baptism
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: of by fire yet for Will Campbell, which I think
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: is a good thing in some ways to kind of
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: give him some confidence and get him into the league
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: a little bit before we get to that point. You
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: had four, I had four as well. Who was your fourth,
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: Milton Williams?
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: I know, all right, No, you had the line and
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: I Josh McDaniel, Oh right, right, right, Let's could have
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: had the lineane though they were good as much as
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: the defense struggled. The sack at the end of the
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: game is great. He I don't know do you call
• 45:07
  Speaker 3: that beating a double team? He almost got around so
• 45:09
  Speaker 3: quickly before the second guy could even get there, you know,
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: like it never it was supposed to be a double team,
• 45:14
  Speaker 3: but it wasn't because he got off the ball so
• 45:16
  Speaker 3: quick that the center Aaron Brewer couldn't get over after
• 45:18
  Speaker 3: he snapped the ball. How about his other sack though?
• 45:21
  Speaker 3: Where and it was on a third down late in
• 45:23
  Speaker 3: the game, third and short, and he chases. It's not
• 45:26
  Speaker 3: a real sack in the sense that he tackles the quarterback.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: He chases Tua all the way to the sideline, forced
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: him out of bounds, doesn't even give him a chance
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: to throw the ball away. Two has to run out
• 45:35
  Speaker 3: of bounds for a loss, which is very rare see quarterbacks.
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: Do I know Drake may did it last week? It's
• 45:41
  Speaker 3: not something you want to be doing as a quarterback.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: For defensive tackle, too is athletic. Two is not a statue.
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: He's not Lamar Jackson, but he's not a statue for
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: defensive tackle. To chase the quarterback all the way to
• 45:52
  Speaker 3: the sideline in a game in Miami, like late in
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: that game when he's that's just terrific motor, terrific athletics,
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: is terrific, conditioning the guys showing up, the guys shown up.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: Is a big time player. Through two weeks, he's been awesome.
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: He's been a man possessed. He's been absolutely unreal through
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: two weeks. There's two things that you worry about with
• 46:12
  Speaker 2: guys like Milton Williams. One of course, it was is
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: he a product of the Philly defensive line? Is he
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: the Adlias Thomas of the Eagles defense where he's got
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: Jalen Carter, he's got Jordan Davis, he's got the guys
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: on the outside, And there were concerns when they signed him.
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: I admit I was concerned about it a little bit,
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: that he was just kind of a product of that
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: system and that defensive line. The other thing that you
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: worry about guys like million Milton Williams is when you
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: sign for a hundred million dollars, like is it gonna
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: mean as much to you after the contract? Or are
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: you still gonna play with that kind of effort and
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: that kind of motor both check and check like so
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: far right, like hurting the check. I mean, he just
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: he's playing with his hair on fire. The one thing
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: I texted you about on Monday is like, can he
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: keep this up? Can he play at this type a
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: level in terms of effort for seventeen games, Because this
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: is a crazy start for Milton Williams. He has ten
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: pressures through two weeks. He's second in the league in
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: a pass rush win rate among defensive tackles. They's yeah,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: he's been one of the best defensive tackles in football
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: through two weeks. And I would say that the game
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: ceiling sack, they slide the three man protection towards him
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: in Harold Landry and then they are man to man
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: to the back side, so it's you know, man to
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: man one on one on the back side, and they
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: actually chip on the left side to kind of help
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: out the tackle there, and then they three man slide
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: it to two people on the other side. If you're
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: three man sliding to two people, you're supposed to be
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: able to block it.
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: You have three on two for the offensive line, and
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: Milton Williams was just off the ball so quickly and
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: through the double team so fast that they couldn't even
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: block them even with two guys on one player. So
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: just took over, just an absolute game takeover by Milton Williams.
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: I hope you can do it for seventeen games. I
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: hope we don't see this the gas tanks start to
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: run empty, right, you know, compared it to kind of
• 48:06
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• 48:09
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• 48:11
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• 49:06
  Speaker 2: We've been pretty positive for the first fifty minutes, but
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: there's certainly some downs. Who's your number one down? Here?
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: Number one down? I don't do him in order. I
• 49:14
  Speaker 3: just do him the order they come to my head.
• 49:15
  Speaker 3: All right, I'll try to stort it. Robertsplaine, Yeah, Roberts
• 49:18
  Speaker 3: and a lot of what we talked about. The mistackle,
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: the misstackles is the bigger thing, like if they need
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: to maybe turn somewhere else in coverage. It's not ideal,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: but I get it. Guy's supposed to be a tackling machine.
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: I think he's missed more tackle. Has he missed more
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: tackles than he made he's made or something like that,
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: Like got to be finishing the tackles. So you have
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: me using the stats. His eight dot is four yards
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: per target average up the target, he's allowing eleven yards
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: per completion or eleven yards per tempt. So even if
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: he is going to allow these completions, like you got
• 49:48
  Speaker 3: to get the guy down at the spot. And if
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: there's not as much of a yak opportunity, okay, then
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: maybe teams don't target you as much. The tackling, to me,
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: is a bigger issue than the coverage with him.
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: So five miss tackles for Roberts Splain, it was all
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: my number one down eight catches ninety six yards in
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: a touchdown into his coverage. Of course, the touchdown was
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: the twenty nine to nine yarder by eight Hn right
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: before halftime. The one thing I'll say for Robert Splaine
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: that gives me a slight glimmer of hope is that
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: he's there. He's just not getting the guys on the ground.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: So he's been a good tackler throughout his career. He's
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: already missed I believe, as many tackles in two games
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: as he missed all of last year. So for whatever reason,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: he's not tackling well right now. If he gets at
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: an order, I think the good news is that it's
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: not that he's not getting to the spots. He's just
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: not getting the ballgarer on the ground. So if you
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: start to tackle a little bit better, maybe this goes
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: the other way and starts to improve quickly here for
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Robert Splaine, but he just hasn't been good enough. They
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: don't need him to be. He doesn't have to be
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: like prime ray lewis right, but they just need him
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: to be better than this. So Robert Splaine, the number
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: one down, who's number two on your.
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: List, and Henderson three holding penalties to on offense, one
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: on special teams, got blown up a couple times in
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: pass protection. That's it's gonna make it hard to put you.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: You gotta be able to pass block if you're gonna
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: be out there in the situations they want him in.
• 51:11
  Speaker 3: And it's not as simple as why don't you just
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: run him in the route every time. There's gonna be
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: times he need to check and keep the extra protector
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: in and he's gonna have to be able to hold
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: up in that regard. So a down week for him,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: you hope it improves. You hope it doesn't cut in
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: was playing time too much, But the pass protection issues
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: were real for him in this game.
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: So I'll get to him in a second. My number
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: two down was Alex Austin, who I'm just kind of
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: disappointed in what the performance because for the first two weeks.
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: I thought he had a really good training camp. I
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: thought he had a really good summer. I thought he
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: was good in the joint practices against other teams. And
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: he just hasn't been good to start the season. You know,
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: gave up six catches for ninety eight yards and a touchdown.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Of course, the Waddle touchdown with him in coverage, I
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: just I was expecting a little bit better from Alex Austin.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Now is he punching above his weight like a little bit.
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: He's probably not there yet to cover the number one
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: receiver on the other team, whether that's Waddle or Hill,
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: whichever one you want to pick. He's just not there yet.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: But even the big catch he gave up to Hill,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: the forty seven yarder, he's just got to play the
• 52:15
  Speaker 2: ball better in the air, Like he's got the deep third. Yeah,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: you can't get beat over the top first of all,
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: and cover three when you have the deep third. He
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: gets run by by Tyreek Hill and then it's really
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: under thrown, but he's so far behind that he's playing
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: catch up and so that he can't recover the underthrown pass.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I just wasn't a good game for Alex Austin. And
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: if Christigan zalz We're gonna find out here in a
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: couple of hours, if he's gonna be on the practice
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: field today on Wednesday, if Christian Zalez continues to be
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: out like, they need Alex Austen to be better than
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: what he was on Sunday. So Alex Austen was number
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: two for me, he's number three for you.
• 52:50
  Speaker 3: Part of me with Alex Austin though, just real quick like, yes,
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: he's a better player, and he looked in that game.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: That's a bad matchup for him. He's not a speed corner.
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: He's a guy you're putting up against a big you know,
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: physical jump balls. Even the Dolphins don't have that guy.
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: So that's when where Gonzalez is back. I don't think
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: you see Alex Austen in a lot of the positions
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: that he was in. Now, I'm not saying you're wrong
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: to put him on the downs that game. I was
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: nervous about him going into that game. That's a tough
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: matchup spot for him against those Dolphins concept.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: And just to further that point too, this is what
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: such a massive part of the trickle down effect of
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: Christian Gonzales, right, because so if Christian Goanzalez is healthy
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: for this game, then maybe you can use Alex Austen
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in more of a nickel role. Yeah, and now maybe
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: he has a chin coming.
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Out right, because you're gonna have it Gonzales and probably, honestly,
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: Marcus Jones on the two top receivers. Marcus Jones was
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: solid in this game. But the problem was whoever Marcus
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: Jones was covering, whether it was Wadle or Hill. They
• 53:45
  Speaker 3: were just going to the other guy and picking on
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: Alex Austin. Whereas if you have Marcus Jones and Christian Gonzalez,
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: you're two speed corners on their two speed receivers. It's
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: a lot easier. So obviously they didn't have them. You know,
• 53:55
  Speaker 3: that's revision his history, but I think that that makes
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: a change.
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: Who's number three?
• 54:00
  Speaker 3: Number three for me, just outside of Antonio Gibson. The
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: special teams you have.
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: I'm smiling because I actually had special teams for once.
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: But so I.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Feel wrong putting special teams with a kickoff return touchdown
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: and I could have maybe nitpicked and done five guys
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: and done like Andy Borgollis and Schooler missed a tackle
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: and Charles Woods missed a tackle and you know what,
• 54:26
  Speaker 3: I think it's easier. Just Antonio Gibson and Mac Hollans
• 54:30
  Speaker 3: said a really good block on that kick return touchdown,
• 54:32
  Speaker 3: So take them out of those. But Andy Borgollis misses
• 54:36
  Speaker 3: two extra points. Credit to him. He comes back, he
• 54:39
  Speaker 3: hits the fifty three yarder, absolute stones from the kid
• 54:42
  Speaker 3: to do that, but then he puts the ensuing kickoff
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: short of the landing zone, gives the Dolphins a short field, Like,
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: that's not good. Bryce Baringer was really good. He had
• 54:51
  Speaker 3: two seventy yard punts, but did he OutKick his coverage.
• 54:53
  Speaker 3: I'll be interesting to hear, interested to hear if Jeremy
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Springer has anything to say about that, because one of
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: them is a twenty yard return, which on a seventy
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: yard punt, you'll still take that. But I almost feel
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: like they used that return when Baringer hits another insane
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: punt to come back the next rep and then they
• 55:09
  Speaker 3: have the touchdown. And though Charles Woods had him wrapped
• 55:12
  Speaker 3: up at one point, and brettan Schooler is not a
• 55:15
  Speaker 3: guy that should be missing tackles, just giving his standing,
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: so it was even with the kick return touchdown overall,
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: and he had numbers of penalties on special teams. Overall
• 55:25
  Speaker 3: a down game for special teams, even with the kick
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: return touchdown.
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: So you know, I usually leave the special teams for you.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: So I considered Morgan Moses, but he's playing on a
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: bad tire, so I let that one.
• 55:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, three fall starts is rough.
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: I considered Morgan Moses. It wasn't great, but he's hurt,
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: he's playing through injury. Yeah. I considered Trevion Henderson for
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: the same reasons that you laid out. But he had
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the wheel route that was a nice play, had the screen.
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: It was a rookie in his second NFL game, first
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: road game in the NFL. I just think I'm morehead
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: him on it because I agree with your analogis just
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: let me just add this.
• 56:03
  Speaker 3: We know in the past, and look, this was a
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: few years ago and under a different head coach under Bilt.
• 56:08
  Speaker 3: But we've seen how finicky Josh can be with rookie
• 56:13
  Speaker 3: running backs, and you don't necessarily get a lot of chances,
• 56:16
  Speaker 3: and we've seen guys screw up and you don't they
• 56:19
  Speaker 3: you know, they essentially go missing for a few weeks.
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: And now I don't know that the Patriots have the
• 56:23
  Speaker 3: luxury to do that. I don't know if they have
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: the depth or the speed on offense this depth are
• 56:26
  Speaker 3: running back or speed on offense to do that. So
• 56:28
  Speaker 3: maybe that won't be the case for Henderson. But if
• 56:31
  Speaker 3: we're just gonna use historical context, you're a rookie running back,
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: you have a game like that under Josh McDaniels, we
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: might not see you for a month. I don't think
• 56:39
  Speaker 3: that's gonna be what happens with Henderson, but it's a
• 56:41
  Speaker 3: fair point. You have the thought.
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: I would think with Henderson what we might see and
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: this would probably drive fans just as nuts is like
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: a package of plays, because his speed is so important
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: to the offense as a whole, that he might just
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: have a package of kind of game plans, scheme dump
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: plays that he's involved in instead of just kind of
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: throwing him out in the base offense. I considered Christian Ellis,
• 57:03
  Speaker 2: who I thought was just as bad as Robert Spulaine
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: in this game.
• 57:06
  Speaker 3: Yah. Probably I probably should have just said linebackers.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: He almost frame, but I thought Robert Spolaine is just
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: such an important piece for them that I wanted to
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: talk about him. And I also considered Craig Woodson, who
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: I thought just struggled in this game in deep coverage.
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: But with Woodson, same kind of things Henderson's second career.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: He didn't want to put the rookies on the downs.
• 57:27
  Speaker 2: I didn't want to put the rookies on the downs.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: And it was also the first time that he was
• 57:32
  Speaker 2: going up as things are falling in the studio. It
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: was the first time that he was going up against
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Tyre Hill and Joe and Waddle, and like, those are
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: the two of the best deep threats that you're going
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: to face all season long. So I actually think this
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: will be a good learning experience for Craig Woodson of
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: how to handle that kind of speed in an NFL game.
• 57:50
  Speaker 2: So I considered all those people from my third down,
• 57:55
  Speaker 2: but I settled on special teams. Yeah, because this is
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: going to annoy the crap out of me. If there
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: are special teams? Is this bad? All season long? Four
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: penalties on special teams? Brealis had, the two missed extra
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: points and the seventy four yard punt return. Guys, it
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: just can't happen, Like this team can't afford those types
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: of things, and they put too much into special teams
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: in terms of the roster. In terms of the coaching staff,
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: they have too many cooks in that kitchen to be
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: giving up backbreaking seventy four yard punt returns. It just
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: can't happen. And I'm not trying to single out just
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: Brandon Schooler, but you have an all pro on special
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: teams covering the punt. You have Jeremy Springer, who I
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: think is a good coach, and you also have Tom
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: Quinn who's a really good special teams coach as well.
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: They just have too much invested in that phase of
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: the game. It has to be a strength of the team. Yeah,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: and they can't give up plays like that. You can't
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: give up seventy four yard touchdowns. So through two weeks
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: they are twenty eighth in the league in PFF grade
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: on special teams, and they are twenty ninth in the
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: league in DVOA on special teams. They are bottom five
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: special teams in the NFL. Now, kicking has a big
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: part of that. You know, when your field goal kicker
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: is missing kicks, that's going to knock you down. But
• 59:14
  Speaker 2: there They're coverage unit also hasn't been good enough. So
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: the special teams needs to be better. We're gonna take
• 59:21
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  Speaker 8: Hey, So I just wanted to get your thoughts on
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  Speaker 8: a couple of things. The first thing, Drake May was
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  Speaker 8: Not only did I call him the postgame show and
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Patti, thanks for the call. It's a good point.
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  Speaker 6: So the.
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  Speaker 2: Dolphins defensive line was shifting right before the snap to
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  Speaker 2: by shifting the offensive line. And then there was another
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: procedural penalty that they had where they had two guys
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: going in motion at once. I think it was Hollins
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: and Henry were both in motion and they got called
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: for that as well. So a lot of those things
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: are obviously just locking in and focusing and not jumping,
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: but some of it also too, is cadence, and honestly,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: like the one maybe nitpick with Drake in this game
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: is that some of that stuff is on Drake May.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: Like it's his job to make sure that everybody is
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: settled in and as you know, on their p's and
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: q's and has a snap count ready, and the cadence
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: that he comes to line with and sort of the
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: flow that he that he you know, hikes the ball at.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 2: I know it sounds like a little bit elementary or
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: just like kind of crazy, but it's honestly a huge
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: part of how they start every single play is his cadence.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: So I do think that that's something that they need
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 2: to improve on. What did he said something about.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: Special Drake Drake May taking the game over, which we
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: kind of talked about at the beginning, Like, yeah, he's
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 3: he put them on his back. He led them in
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: that game. He truly led them and elevated in that game.
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: All Right, Will is in Cranston. What's up?
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 10: Will?
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Hey?
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  Speaker 11: Guys?
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  Speaker 12: How you doing today? A couple of things I want
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 12: to touch on today. I'm actually really excited to test
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 12: on defense this week against Pittsburgh's offense. I think that
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 12: Marcus Jones will match up well against Calvin Austin and
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 12: I think that Carlton Davis will match up well against
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 12: So pretty excited to watch those.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah.
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 12: Just the other question that I had for you guys
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 12: was I think Travion Henderson will be a better matchup
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 12: this week than he was last week. Also, how do
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 12: you think we can stop the pressure from Pittsburgh? Considering
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 12: aw with TJ Watt and everybody I know, they are
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 12: a very blitz happy defense. So I would just like
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 12: to see what you guys thought with our new offensive line.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks will, thanks for the call, and that
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 2: that pretty much hits all of the notes I would
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: say about the Steelers matchup. Yeah, So I think the
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: one thing I would say with just with the Steelers
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: that I was going to get to you once we
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: kind of started to look at them a little bit
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: closer here in the second hour, is I'm caustiously optimistic
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: about this game because they have a ton of familiarity
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: with the Steelers coaching staff. Arthur Smith was Mike Brables
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 2: offensive coordinator in Tennessee and whether it was the Brady years,
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: I remember that Thursday night Bailey Zappi game in Pittsburgh.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: Mac Joeans was throwing dimes to Nelson, Agalore and Pittsburgh
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two. With Matt Patricia calling plays. They've
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: always seemed to have a good feel for the Steelers
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: defense and for Mike Tomlin's system, and now Josh McDaniels
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: is back to kind of hit the notes that they
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: always used to hit over the years and against that
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 2: Steelers defense. So the familiarity with the coaching staff is
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 2: something that I think was a big factor in Week one.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 2: And I know Patrick Graham was mcdaniels's decoordinator and he
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 2: probably should have had some familiarity, but Pete Carroll's influence
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: on the Raiders defense was pretty substantial, And I don't
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: know if they knew exactly, like whose defense was the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 2: Raiders really gonna be? Were they going to be a
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: Patrick Graham defense or were they going to be a
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: Pete Carroll defense. Having week to week as we go
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 2: here with the veterans staff that they do have, if
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 2: Rabel knows the guy, or if McDaniels knows the guy,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 2: or they both know guys, like that's a huge advantage
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: to me about some of the things that the caller
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 2: brought up there of are they going to attack the
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: Steelers defense, how are they going to block it? How
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: are they going to handle Arthur Smith's offense and Aaron
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: Rodgers on the other side. When you have that institutional knowledge,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's insignificant. I think that that's a
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: pretty big advantage for them in this game.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean Vrabel helped game plan for them
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: twice last year in Cleveland.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that's a good point as well. All Right,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: we'll get to more of the Steelers though. Those are
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 2: good questions, but I want to hold off on that
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: just for a second. Connor is in New Hampshire. What's up? Connor?
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 13: Hey, guys, been listening since the pl and Cionla stays Sorry,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 13: love it, but I wanted to know you kind of
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 13: talked about the changes the offense made from week one
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 13: to two. I'm wondering about kind of the changes especially
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 13: in the blitz the defense may and if that's something
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 13: that'll be, will be a lower blitzing team moving forward,
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 13: or if they had more to do with a different
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 13: play caller on defense.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Connor, thanks to the call. So it's a good point.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: We kind of I waxed poetic about all the good
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: things that they did on offense, but they also went
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: in a totally different direction on defense. After blitzing the
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: heck out of Geno Smith in Week one, they only
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: blitzed to a one time this entire game. I don't
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: think that that's about play caller, you know, difference in
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: play callers or anything like that. That's a game plan thing, like,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: that's a matchup thing. When you have speed at the
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: skill positions and a really quick trigger in a quarterback
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: like Tua, I think blitzing the Miami Dolphins is not
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: the way to go, Like you are asking for big explosives.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And as much as I picked on the past defense
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: earlier on in the show, they did only give up
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 2: four explosives in this game to Miami. They gave up
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: nine of them in week one. They only gave up
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: four in week two. So they did a better job
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: of limiting explosive plays. Now, if they limit anything else,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: like they had to do a great job overall, but
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: they did a better job of limiting explosive plays. So
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: what it tells me about the difference between the defensive
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: play calling from week one to week two is that
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: they're just gonna be a game plan defense. Like some
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: weeks they're gonna think that blitzing is gonna be the
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 2: best thing for them, and then some weeks they're gonna
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: think playing coverage is gonna be the best thing for them.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: So how you know, do you agree with that or
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: what do you kind of see with those couple things.
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that could be as much game plan
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 3: or more game plan based than it is having a
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: different defensive play call. Like you said, it didn't make
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 3: sense to blitz Miami, I don't think it makes sense
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 3: to blitz this Steelers team a ton, at least initially,
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 3: probably more than they blitzed to Miami, but not the
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 3: fifty percent blitz right they had against the Raiders. You know,
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 3: for me, it's can you get pressure with four on
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers? And because you want as many guys in
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: coverage and tonight especially Gonzalese isn't out there, so he
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 3: has less obvious windows to throw into because you're not
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: gonna fool Aaron Rodgers. But if you can't get pressure
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 3: with four, then maybe you have to start sending the
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: blitz because you do need to get pressure on him.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: You cannot give him all day.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to talk about DA but let's get
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 2: through these calls. First. Francisco is in North Carolina. What's up, Francisco?
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 10: Hey, guys, how you doing good?
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: Hey?
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 10: All right, So I've got a couple of questions. So
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 10: my first question starts off with, uh, so I feel
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 10: like we should necessarily, not necessarily add a veteran presence,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 10: but I feel like it wouldn't hurt to help with
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 10: adding a veteran presence in the dB room, like a
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 10: Stefan Gilmour out there. I feel like it'd be beneficial
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 10: for everybody to, you know, learn from somebody who's already
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 10: done it at a high level. And then second question
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 10: is you know yesterday's pu Fred asked you were the
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 10: origin of whit it's called the Yankee concept. I was
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 10: just wondering if you looked into that, and I'll take
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 10: it off there.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thanks Francisco, thanks for the call. I
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: did not look into that. And this is uh, this
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: is one of my favorite fretisms that he likes to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 2: put me on the spot. Yeah, you know that these
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: concepts and things like that are are called things for
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: ridiculous reasons. Yeah, So the Steelers in the first two
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 2: weeks of the season, they u each game they got
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 2: beat on an explosive touchdown on the Yankee concept deep
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: post with the deep over route underneath it, and the
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: Jets and the and the Seahawks both hit touchdowns on
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: the same exact play from about the same field position
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: as well. And so yesterday on PU I called it
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 2: the Yankee concept because that's what it's most normally. That's
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: like sort of the general terminology for it. And I
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: had no idea why it was called that, And so
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: that was that atcha I did not I really understand.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: I just wanted to tell everybody because I'm sure a
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 2: lot of people had no idea what he was talking about.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Sean is in Vancouver.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 3: Just to go back, sorry, one second shot on the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: Gilmore thing, because I've gotten asked to to watch at
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: the Patriots signed Steph on Gilmore. I yeah, I guess
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 3: adding a veteran presence, I don't know. I think everyone
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 3: needs to calm down for a little bit until Christian
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: Zoalz comes back. You know. I like Stephan Gilmour, and.
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: Isn't Carlton Davis supposed to be the veteran presidence. I
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: already have.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 3: So there's that. And also between Gonzalez, Gilmour and Davis,
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 3: none of those guys playing a slot. I don't think
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: you're moving any of them to safety. Is Gilmour gonna
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: come here and just essentially sit on the bench, or
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: how's it going to go over with Carlton Davis if
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 3: he gets bench And you're obviously not benching Gilmore once
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: he's healthy, Gonzalez once he's healthy. So unless you know
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: Gonzalez is going to miss like a significant significant amount
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: of time, which as right now is not expected to
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: be the case as far as we know. I just
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: I you're signing Stephan Gilmore because his name is Stephan Gilmore.
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 3: I don't think you're signing in for much more than that.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: And you know, if they're going to add a corner,
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 3: maybe at a slock corner, get some death beyond Marcus Jones,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: But I don't think Stephan Gilmore is coming here to
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: play a rotational role on team that may or may
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: not make the playoffs.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: All right, Sean, go ahead, sorry about that.
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 14: Yeah, well done, no problem. I really hope goneto this
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 14: back this week.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: That'd be great.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 14: And now last year, one of the criticisms, and there's
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 14: been any that Patriots weren't really doing what allowing Drake
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 14: May to do a quarterback snink. We finally saw that
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 14: in Miami. The other thing I'd like to find out
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 14: or see is if Drake May will do as design run. Well,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 14: you think that would come maybe against Pittsburgh or in
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 14: the near future.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 13: Leady on that.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks Sean. So they did run a couple of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: them against the Raiders in Week one, and they ran
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: a zone read on third and short on Sunday against
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: the Dolphins that Remandre picked it up. The one thing
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 2: that I would say about the design quarterback runs, you
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: know me, I have no fear about him getting hurt.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: That's not on my why I'm not doing it. He
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: needs to improve though a little bit and like holding
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: the mesh a little bit longer and like really trying
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: to get that defensive end to bite on the fake
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: or on the read point the mesh points. It's not
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: something that Drake is great at yet. And that's like
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: a live in game field thing. You have to get
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: better at it with reps, Like you're not going to
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: be Lamar Jackson or Jayden Daniels at the mesh point
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 2: right away. You have to do it over and over again,
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: and so I think he needs to be a little
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: bit better at those. The rule of thumb with those
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: types of plays is the reed defender can't make the
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: tackle right, So that's all you're trying to do. You're
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: trying to put the reed defender, the unblocked defender that's
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: reading the mesh out, You're trying to put him in conflict,
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: and then you're trying to make him wrong no matter
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 2: what he does. If he crashes down to the ball
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: carrier to the back, then you take it off the
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: edge as the quarterback. If he stays out and sets
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: the edge of the defense, you hand it to the back,
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: and you just want to make him wrong and make
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: sure that the red defender doesn't make the tackle. If
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: you do that, then you've done your job as the quarterback.
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: So on the remandre a third and short one, Bradley
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 2: Chubb should have made the tackle in the backfield and
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Rmande duked him in the backfield and got the first down.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: So that wasn't the best mesh point mechanics, so they
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: have to do a little bit better job with that.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: They also they tried to bring Hunter Henry across the
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: formation to try to block Chubb as well, and he
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: ran into I can't remember exactly who it was, he
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: collided with somebody on the way. It was just kind
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: of a mess of a play, and Remandre actually bailed
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: them out from what probably should have been a two
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: yard loss in the backfield and just made a really
• 1:15:11
  Speaker 2: good run. So another you know he was on our ups,
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: but another one to credit Remandre with. Before we get
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: back to more of these calls and emails, I do
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about the Steelers and
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers because I think a caller earlier kind of
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: brought it up, and you were talking a little bit
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: about what to do against Aaron Rodgers. So watching Rogers,
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: I watched both games so far from Pittsburgh over the
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: last couple of days, and Rogers, I'm trying to I'm
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: telling you on the way over here, I'm trying to
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: come up with the best analogy for this. I don't
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: know if I have yet, But Rogers can still throw
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: the ball. He's still got a cannon, he can still
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 2: sling it. There's no dip or drop off I would
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: say whatsoever in terms of his arm talent, his athleticism,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 2: and his mobility is declining fast. He is immobile. At
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: this point. His pressure desacarates the fifth highest in the league.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: This is Aaron Rodgers, like a guy that used to
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: dance out of pressure and get out of sacks all
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: the time earlier on in his career. So the best
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: comp that I've come up with it is like late
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: in a career of like a great shooter like a
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: Ray Allen, where all he can do is stand in
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: the corner and shoot threes. But he's so good at
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 2: standing in the corner and shoot threes and shooting threes,
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: it adds like five years to his NBA career. Like
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: this is like Miami heat Ray Allen right now for
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers, where if you keep him clean in the
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: pocket and he's just able to sit there and just
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: drop dimes left and right, he can still do that
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: with the best of them. The second he sees pressure,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 2: the second that he has to avoid sacks, he can't
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: do it. So what's been the kryptonite for the Steelers
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: for the first couple of weeks has been man coverage
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: because you don't have to account for the quarterback because
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: he can't run, so you just keep him in the pocket.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: You play man to man, bump and run on the
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: outside and make him hold the football and then just
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: hope that the pass rush gets there, and the pass
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: rush is going to get there and suffocate him at
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: some point. So that's been the blueprint that the Jets
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: finally got to in that game a little bit. And
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 2: then of course the Seahawks held them to you know,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: seventeen points, held him in check in Week two, but
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: we broke down at the top of the show at
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: the Patriots have had a lot of issues and it's
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: a man coverage, so it's kind of like, you know,
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: a weakness on weakness sort of thing right now. Now,
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 2: if they get Gonzo back, that changes. But the caller
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 2: earlier said something that I agree with, Carlon Davis on
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: dk YEP, Marcus Jones on Calvin Austin. They do like
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: to run a lot of two tight ends a ton,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: like fifty percent of the time they have two tight
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: ends on the field. So the tight ends and then
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: Jalen Warren is a pretty good pass catching back at
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: like a sixty plus yard catch and run in the
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: game the other day against Seattle, so those are the
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: parts that you kind of worry about. But there are
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: two primary receivers DK and Calvin Austen. I don't hate
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 2: how you match up against those two guys. If you
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 2: want to play man to man.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't either. I agree with a lot of that.
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: The other thing I'm interested in in this matchup and
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: ESPN put a stat up this morning. Let me let
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 3: me make sure I can find it here. We saw
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: against the Dolphins and this was something I was big
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: on after that game. The Patriots didn't run the ball
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: all the right side, and I think it made them
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: predictable and I think it really hurt their ability to
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: run the ball. So ESPN had this this morning. Through
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: two games this year, teams are running for six point
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 3: six flat six yards per carry running away from TJ.
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: Watt and two and a half yards per carry running
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 3: towards TJ. Watt.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: So they're ready for another wonky.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Is it going to be a lops? I don't want
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: to see him do it. You got to run at
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 3: him at least a little bit to upset timing and
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 3: see what you can get over there.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: And they've gotten gashed on the ground, though.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: They have gotten gashed on the ground. So if you
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 3: can do it running off the left side, you do
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 3: it running off the left side. But don't I would
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 3: hope they don't handcuff cuff themselves in the run game
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 3: like they did against the Raiders.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just it's interesting because they've gotten gash on
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: the ground for the most part of those. Zach Sharbonay
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: kind of struggled in his carries, but Kenneth Walker averaged
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: eight yards of carry, so this might be one of
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: those games again, not to you know, pick on Remandre,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: but isn't Ramandre is a little bit more Zach Sharbonay
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 2: than he is Kenneth Walk and Zach Charbonay's issue as
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: they were trying to run off tackle and he just
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: doesn't have the speed to get out there. So maybe
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: this could be a bigger Gibson Henderson game. We'll try
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: to get that speed and get to the edge away
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 2: from TJ. Watt because that's exactly what the Seahawks did,
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: and they ran the ball effectively and then they play
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 2: action defectively.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 3: Along those lines too.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 8: Though.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 3: To go back to the Jets game, and obviously the
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: Jets are running a pretty unique game playing at this point,
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 3: but Justin Fields had a good game on the ground.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 3: So to what you were talking about about the drake
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 3: made designed runs, do you maybe bring some of that.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: Back you could. Justin Fields did a good job with that.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Uh in week one, Like you said, they also ran
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 2: like a naked boot down by the goal line where
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: he just like waltzed in for a touchdown. So the
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: boots and some of the misdirection, I.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 3: Mean he ran even he ran for four yards to
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 3: carry like that's yeah.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 2: I just watching the Seahawks tape. They ran outside zone
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: duo and they ran one play of a wide zone
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 2: lead with the full back right, so still outside zone
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 2: blocking up front, but the full back is on the way.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: You see the full back to the Steelers last week.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: You see Robbi Oots last week.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: So the full back was it was that Robby Oots,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: the Seahawks full back. Yeah, Oh, I didn't know that.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: I was clearing guys out.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so he took He absolutely pancaked the dude on
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: like a pretty big run.
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 3: For wasn't there one He pancakes one linebacker into another linebacker.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 3: He takes two guys out.
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah. They so the full he was, I didn't know that.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: I wasn't. I wasn't studying the Seahawks.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: But you're watching the the You're watching the Steelers defense.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: Weren't you? Yeah? But I was watching the All twenty two?
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: But you never look, Oh, this guy's made some plays.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: Who is that not the no?
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: Nor you should? Yeah? Maybe I should? You right? So
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: the uh that's how they ran it. I agree with you.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: The Jets were a little bit more option heavy with
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 2: justin fields. I expect the Patriots to try to run
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: it traditionally down their throats. That that's what I would expect.
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: But you could be right. It could be more of
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: the option stuff, especially if more of that, but just
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 2: mixing it in well Hayward and Watt. If they start
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: to take over the traditional run game, then they might
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: need to do some more deception and more trickery there.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 2: The Steelers they played a lot more man coverage. I
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: know a lot of people think of the Steelers and
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: they think of Cover three and blitzberg and like all
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. They've transitioned to a lot more
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: man coverage. They're forty one percent man coverage through two weeks.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: They blitz a lot. They're top five in the league
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 2: in blitz rate. So a lot of their coverages are
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: single high safety man coverage and they have Ramsey and
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: Darius Slay on the outside. Ramsey made a really good
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: play on his pick last week undercutting out, but other
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: than that, he kind of got torched in that game.
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 2: I gave up over one hundred yards in coverage, and
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 2: the week before Darius Slay kind of struggled. So you're
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: gonna have some single coverage opportunities. You're gonna be able
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: to attack those two guys. They're gonna leave those two
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: guys on islands over the top and if you can
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: get some separation down the field. The Steelers are giving
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: up This is an insane stat and I know it's
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: super small sample size of just two games. They are
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 2: giving up an explosive pass play on twenty four of
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: their pass plays.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: That's wild.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 2: They've given up fourteen plays over fifteen yards in the
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: passing game through two weeks. They are having a lot
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: of trouble with explosives, both in the pass and the
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: run game, and they're kind of getting torched by it.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: This is not the Steelers defense. People will expect it.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 2: They have five Pro Bowlers on defense and they have
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 2: not been good through two weeks. So you can look
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 2: at it this one way. You can sit there and say, well,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: they're bound to, you know, get back to where they're
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: supposed to be, right your aggression to the mean right,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: they're bound to get back there. But at the same time,
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: through five weeks or two weeks, to excuse me, they've
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: really struggled on defense. They're down near the bottom of
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: the league in pretty much every statistical category on defense.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: So I'm interested to see this game because McDaniel should
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: know them pretty well, you should know what to expect,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: and the Steelers just haven't covered very well or stopped
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 2: the run very well. So I'm interested to see if
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: the Patriots can continue what they did last week in Miami.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: I think they can. I think the same kind of
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: formula could work again this week. You know, outside zone
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: duo to get downhill bootlegs. That was a big part
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: of Sea Seattle average thirteen yards per play action pass
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: attempt in this game last week on Sunday. It's all
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: the same notes and Clint Kubiak is a Shanahan disciple.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: He coached under Kyle Shanahan and San Francisco, So it's
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: all the same things that the Patriots did in Miami
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: last week, the Seahawks did to the Steelers defense on
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: Sunday in Pittsburgh and they scored thirty one points, like
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: they won the game going away. So I think a
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 2: lot of those same notes are going to exist for
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: the Patriots again this week, and they should have some
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: success with them. And I can't wait. I can't wait
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: to see Aaron Rodgers too, trying to run away from
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: Harold Andrey and Milton Williams. Like if I'm the Patriots,
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to do everything I can to get Aaron
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: Rodgers to hold the football because he's going down like
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: a sack of potatoes right now in the pocket when
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 2: he gets pressured. So that Doull. Those are two things,
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: you know, hitting the Steelers on those explosives and then
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 2: getting to Rogers.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the key.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: That's the key to the game right there. Let's get
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: back to the calls. Eldred is in North Carolina. What's up, Eldred? Oh? Yeah,
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: there we go.
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 11: Hey, Hey, good, oh question, I was listening to you.
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 11: I know they got Ramsey and they got late, but
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 11: our receivers last week, I know the game plan changed
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 11: for different things. But then we got enough enough power
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 11: to get get past those guys, even though I think
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 11: the other two teams they had some fast receivers they
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 11: got by. So that's why I was wondering, and Evan,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 11: I ain't gonna take my victory I ain't gonna take
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 11: my victory lap yet. I don't wait to the middle
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 11: of the season. Quentin Johnson and Dante Thoort, like I
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 11: was saying before, I'm gonna tack my laps after that,
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 11: especially after the last week's performance. But other than that,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 11: proudly may I hope everybody goes does well and we
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 11: win later.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: Got thanks, Aldred, appreciate it. Strive safe all right, Yeah,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 2: I said yesterday he called into PU and he didn't
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: take a victory lap. On on Dante Thornton and Quentin Johnson,
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: who both had good games in that Monday night game.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: From what I saw, did I went to bed. Honestly
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 2: at half time, I didn't see the whole game, but
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 2: they looked like they played pretty well. Johnson hadn't had
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: like a sixty yard touchdown on a deep post from
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: from Herbert in that game, so good, good for Eldred.
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: You mentioned the receivers. And this is a point that
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 2: we've gotten a ton of emails about Alex. I'm glad
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: that Aldred segued us in to the wide receivers in
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: the bag of things that are not so good about
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: the Patriots right now after that win and you know,
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 2: fine high after beating Miami, what's your Pop Douglas take?
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 2: You know what's going on with Pop Douglas played fifteen
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: snaps in this game. I believe it was just wasn't
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: part of the game plan. Just really wasn't in the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 2: game plan. And I don't think this is necessarily an
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 2: indictment on Pop. It wasn't like he did something wrong
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 2: and right bench or was pulled from the game. He
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: just I don't think he was really planning on being
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 2: involved in this way.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you have the percentage, but the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: exact percentages, but they were in heavy personnel twelve, twenty one,
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: twenty two a lot more than they were in Week one.
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 3: And he's not a guy like he's the third receiver.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: We've talked about this.
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: He's not a base receiver, right.
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: He's not a receiver that you use when you're in
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: a two receiver set, and I think even when they
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: were in the three receiver set, mac Hollands seeing more time,
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 3: I think they wanted their better blockers out there to
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 3: try to get the run game going, which they did. Now,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: the question is was that a Miami Dolphins game plan
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: thing or was that a sign of things to come.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: I've said it and I'm gonna keep saying it. His
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: ability to create after the catch, his straight line speed.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 3: They need that in the offense. Now. If he's not
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: gonna give it to them, maybe they get it from
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams. He would be the guy that kind of
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 3: compares the closest. But they're gonna need to get him
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 3: going eventually, or at least figure out if they can't
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: get him go and get Kyle Williams going. But I
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: think for this game it was about how they wanted
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: to match it up and wanting those blockers out there.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: And we'll see moving forward when there's matchups that you
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 3: know or more you're gonna try to hunt, getting him
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: on linebackers and on safeties and creating space and getting
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: yards after the catch. Does he get more involved there
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: or do they continue to go away because they want
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: the bigger personnel, or they simply just move on to
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams. I will say it again, I do not
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: think Efton Chisholm is his replacement right e ft And
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 3: Chishlm is more in the role steph On Diggs's in
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: right now, Pop Douglas. There's a straight line speed elements
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 3: his game that Efton chism doesn't have. That is what
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: I think makes it key that they get him or
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams going to some extent at some point, ft
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 3: And Chishm's going to be more in a Diggs roll
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 3: where where it's the oman role, it's it's it's the
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: short area of quickness and reliable hands and route running
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 3: and things like that.
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 2: So to your point about the personnel groupings, they were
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 2: in twelve personnel, so one back, two tight ends on
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: twenty snaps. Yeah, and then they had a couple of
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: two back packages two one pony and then one with
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: the full back, which accounted for thirteen So and then they.
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 3: Were in twenty two a handful of times two I think, yes.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: So thirty three out of their fifty five snaps were
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 2: what we would call heavy groupings. They played twenty two
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: snaps and three wide receiver so snaps and.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: Three wide receiver. Yeah, so Pop Douglas was still on
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: the field for the majority of those, they were just less.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Of them, right, And so that that's a big part
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: of it to me, is that he's just not a
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: base receiver. Yeah, he is a slot receiver that comes
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: in in eleven personnel like he is a three receiver
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: package guy. He's a slot receiver in that respect, even
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 2: not skill set wise, but like in that respect, I
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 2: would think, you know, the comparison is like more Danny Amandola,
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: right that that's kind of the role that Pop Douglas
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: is playing right now for this team. He's not playing
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: the Z receiver role. He's not Julian Edelman. He is
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: Danny Amandola. Julian Edelman right now is Stefan Diggs, Right.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: So that that's I think a good comp right now. Again,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: not skill set wise, but just usage wise of how
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 2: they're using Pop Douglas. They wanted to get Mac Collins's
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: run blocking into this game, yeah, And whether you agree
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 2: with that or not is your decision. I personally do
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: because I see the advantages that it brings in their
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 2: early down base offense of when he blocks, He's a
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: good blocker. He's an effective blocker, and then all of
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 2: the play action stuff they built off of that comes
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: because they have to worry about Mac Collins being a
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 2: plus blocker. If Mac Collins is a speed bump on
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: the way to the ball carrier, then those linebackers in
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: the safeties they're not going to bite on play action
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: when Mac Collins comes to block them if they don't
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 2: have to worry about Mac Collins being a good blocker.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: So they wanted to get Mac Collins's blocking. They didn't
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: play a lot of three wide receiver. And the other
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 2: element to this that I do think is a part
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: of it. They're seeing so much zone coverage. Through the
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 2: first two weeks of the season. They're seeing zone coverage
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: over eighty three percent of the time when Drake May
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 2: drops back to pass. We have talked about this a
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 2: lot on this show. I thought he did a better
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 2: job of it in the summer, and I hope that continues.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: But Pop Douglas is a man coverage beating receiver. Yeah,
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: when you can get him on a matchup in man
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 2: to man. He's a dynamic route runner. He's extremely quick,
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: he's bursty, he is a man to man coverage winner,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: that is where he thrives. So when you see eighty
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 2: three percent of the time when you're in zone for
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 2: the defense, and we can kind of unpack that as
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 2: an element too, But when it's eighty three percent of
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: the time zone, to me, like, you're gonna want your
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: more zone reliable players in those spots. Whether it's Digs, Hollins,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: tight ends, you know, those types of players are going
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: to be the guys that when they settle down in
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 2: those zones and they present a nice, big quarterback friendly target, like,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: that's going to be a lot easier for Drake May
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 2: to throw those passes to those receivers settling in those
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 2: zone voids than it is to hit a five foot
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: eight receiver settling into a zone void. It's just it
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 2: is what it is. It's a body type thing, it's
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: a skill set thing. Pop's going to get playing time.
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: Pop's gonna play, and he's gonna have certain games. Maybe
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: this week, if the Steelers come out and they play
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: a bunch of man coverage like they have in the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: first two weeks, then I think Pop's gonna play and
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be a factor in the game. So I'm
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: not worried about it with Pop Douglas. I actually, in
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: some respects it shows to me that the coaching staff
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: has a good feel for the roster, because if they
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 2: put Pop Douglas out there to kick out the force,
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: you know, block in the in the run game, and
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: play as a base receiver and all this different stuff,
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: like they would put you putting him in a position
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: to fail, Like it just isn't what his skill set
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: is necessarily lending itself to. I think he'll play plenty
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 2: once they get into some more of these man coverage matchups.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: One of the things about the zone thing, though I
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: wanted to ask you about. You could chock it up
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: to two games, small sample size, but eighty three percent
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: zone is a lot of zone coverage. Yeah, and a
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: feel for the way I look at it, if we
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: want to look into it and not just chalk it
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: up to sample size. Is this a Drake May thing?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: Where the blueprint on Drake May is that he's not
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: consistent with his accuracy. So let's keep him in the pocket.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: Let's make him pick us apart, just like the Raiders
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: were able to do in Week one, and let's not
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: let his legs and his mobility beat us is that
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: as do you see that? Because you play man coverage
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 2: and everybody runs down the field with their man and
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: everything clears out and there sees part like he's just
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: gonna take off. We've seen that and he's been really
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: effective scrambler his rookie season. So I expect to see
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: the Patriots facing a ton of zone this year. I
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 2: think that that's gonna be the book. All eyes on
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: the quarterback.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: They're going to do it until he gives him a
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 3: reason not.
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 2: To, right, Yeah. And I do think that the boots
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: that helps. That helps a lot against zone. It's not
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 2: asking him to just drop back pass against zone coverage
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: all the time. When you boot, not only does it
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: cut the field in half, but the misdirection if you
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: have zone eyes and everybody's eyes are in the backfield
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: at the snap because everybody's looking at the quarterback, and
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: then you change the point of attack by bootlegging, then
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: you get everybody flow in one way and then the
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 2: balls out the other direction. Right that That that's a
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: very good way to mess with the eyes. Like all
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 2: of this is eyes. It's all eye discipline and being
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: able to see, you know, decipher and process for corners
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 2: and safeties. If you get those eyes in the wrong
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: places by looking in the backfield, at the at the action,
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: the run action, then you can really help it. Drake
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: with zone, and they hit a couple of plays in
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: this game that way against zone. Let's get back to
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: the phone. So Christian is in LA. What's up, Christian?
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 15: Hey you guys, nice to talk to you on your
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 15: own show. Yes, sir, get to chill, relax, talk, do
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 15: some strategy. I love the x's and part of your show.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 15: It's an amazing show and I love you guys for it.
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 8: Thank you you.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 15: You guys have been talking about like how Pittsburgh's defenses
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 15: or the running packs at this time. To me, week
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 15: three is kind of what week two is kind of
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 15: a liar because week three seems to be the week
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 15: that that the adjustments really kick in. You figure out
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 15: what you're good at, what's just bad at this early stage,
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 15: and you make those adjustments. So I don't I don't
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 15: really see Pittsburgh allowing the same run defense that they've
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 15: had over the last.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 16: Couple of weeks.
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 15: They figured out now we have a little bit of
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 15: problem running. So I don't know if they're going to
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 15: be able to run the ball the same way the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 15: last two teams have run on Pittsburgh one of the
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 15: opposite on the opposite side. You know, let me just say,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 15: I've never actually been impressed with DK Metcalfs with route running.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 15: I think he's fast, big and sean and can go
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 15: oh yes, But I think he lacked the subtlety in
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 15: his route running to really be a threat to to
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 15: to rip a team apart. So I don't see that
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 15: we're really you know, have to worry too much about
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 15: their receivers. Rogers it still has a very strong arm,
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 15: but he's kind of a mobile now. So if we
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 15: can just contain him in, I think we've got a
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 15: really good shot to keep their offense at bay. On
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 15: our offensive side, I think it's time to unleash Kyle Williams.
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 15: No team has tape on him. They don't know what
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 15: we can do and how we can use him. I
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 15: know he can get behind them, and I just feel
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 15: like this Sunday is going to be our Kyle Williams
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 15: and Trey Von Hennison's breakout day. I would also like
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 15: last thing is for it to be a Stefan Diggs
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 15: breakout game and isn't by week four, I think we
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 15: should look at trading Stefan Digs and getting a pick
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 15: for him. What do you guys think?
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: Thanks for the call, Christian. So to the Kyle Williams thing,
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: I think Kyle Williams is in a similar boat as
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: Pop Douglas. Like, Kyle Williams, I think is going to
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 2: be a lot more dangerous against teams that play a
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 2: lot of man to man like whereas speed and his
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: route running and his releases can can really give teams trouble.
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 2: So again, if the Steelers come out and the brand
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 2: of defense they've played in the first two weeks, which
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 2: they might not because they've gotten Torch, so they might
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: just kind of throw it out and say we got
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: to start over here. They Pop Douglas, Kyle Williams like
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: this might be more of their kind of game for
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 2: that reason, So you might get that to the Digs thing.
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna be a little bit defensive with Stefon Diggs. Yeah,
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: it's not because of what happened earlier with you know,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 2: his press conference a couple of weeks ago. It's not
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 2: that I just think that he's been exactly what I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 2: wanted him to be for this team so far, and
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: those high leverage gotta have it third and fourth down,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 2: late down opportunities when they go for it on fourth down.
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: And in the beginning of the game against Miami, the
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: way that he ran that route and just how calm,
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: cool collected he was, and how quarterback friendly he was.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: That's why he's here. He's here to move the chains.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: And maybe he's not gonna have have the you know,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: a thousand plus yards or average over ten yards to
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: carry or catch excuse me, like he used to. But
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 2: for Drake, like, it's so calming, and it's so important
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 2: for him to have a receiver that in third down
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 2: and eight with the game on the line, he can
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 2: go to Digs and he can trust Digs to get open.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 2: Like that's such a crucial thing for a quarterback. I
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: can't understand how important and how just much pressure that
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: takes off the quarterback to know that he has a
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: go to guy in those situations. So if all Pop
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: Dougley or excuse me, Digs does is move the chains
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: on third and fourth down, that's worth the money to
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: me because they just haven't had that guy. They haven't
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: had that guy probably since Jacoby myself. So like really
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: since Edelman, like they haven't had that guy and that
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: reliability and that ability to focus in there is just
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: it's huge for this team. What we're gonna say.
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 3: Let's also not forget he's less than a year removed
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 3: from a torn acl Like there is going to be
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: a build up process. You're not gonna get the steph
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 3: On Diggs you got in Buffalo, Nobody. You shouldn't be
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: of that assumption if he's moving the chains for you
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 3: and coming up big on third down and fourth down
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 3: and things like that. He was there leading receiver among
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: wide receivers on Sunday, Like you can't you can't talk
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: about trading him. That they need him on this team
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: right now. Yeah, there's no the breakout game might not happen.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: He might just steadily be five catches fifty yards for
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 3: them for first downs, like that might be what he
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 3: is each week. Great, that's and all they're paying him
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: this much money and blah blah blah. It's a lot
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: of incentives.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: And plus when it's again when it's like the money downs,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 2: when it's third and seven and the game is on
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 2: the line and he picks up eight or nine yards.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: It's worth it.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: It's having a guy that can do that consistently and regularly.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: They haven't had that since Kobe Myers. Yeah, you need
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: somebody who you rely on to do that. And I
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: know people like Fton Chisholm. He had a really good
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: summer and I who think he is a future in
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: this league. I don't know that with a young quarterback,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: you're just turning to an undrafted rookie kind of sight
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: unseen in such a major role.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 2: So the other thing that Christian brought up there was
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: the run game in Pittsburgh, adjusting and being better against
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 2: the run, which I think is possible. Especially Hayward and TJ.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 2: Watt is saying like enough of this run game nonsense,
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 2: like we're kind of taking over. What I think is
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: interesting though about the Patriots run game from Week one
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 2: to week two. They actually had almost identical success rates
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: in week one to week two. I know it didn't
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: feel like that, but they were thirty six percent success
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: rate in week two and a thirty five percent success
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: rate in week one. Now, they had a couple of
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: explosive runs in week two that it didn't get in
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 2: week one. M Andre's twenty one yarder and Gibson's fifteen
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 2: yarder were big plays in this game. But you just
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 2: see the balance and how important that balance is to
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 2: just setting up play action and even if they don't
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 2: run the ball super effectively, just committing to the run
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 2: early in the game, like they did on Sunday where
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: they came out against the Dolphins. I think they ran
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 2: the ball on the first three plays of the game
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: that all it does is just set up everything else
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: that they're trying to do. So even if they're not
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 2: running the ball super effectively, I think what they learned
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: from Week one is that you have to still stick
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 2: with the run game in the second half. Like they
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 2: went away from the run game in the second half
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: against the Raiders and they lost all of the window
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 2: dressing from the offense. They lost all the play action,
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: they lost all the bootlegging, they lost all the motions. Right,
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: it was stagnant drop back pass and they just can't
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: play that way. So I think that they learned their
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: lesson on that. You know, they ran the ball traditionally
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: in Week one seventeen times. In Week two that was
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: twenty five times. Like that's just a big difference. Yeah,
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's a huge difference. All Right, Mark is
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: in Connecticut. What's up? Mark?
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 9: Hey, guys, how you guys doing today?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: Good bat?
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 9: All right, just got two quick things for you are
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 9: one observation and then the other one a question. The
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 9: first observation that I noticed, and I've been calling for
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 9: for a long time on is to use Drake May's abilities,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 9: which is the rolling out of the pocket and getting
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 9: them on the move to throw. And that was just
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: amazing that I saw in the second game versus Miami
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: that they did a lot of that and he just
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 9: looked really comfortable doing that, and I'm hoping that they'll
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: keep incorporating those kind of, you know, attributes that the
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 9: kid has into that. The question that I have.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 15: Is Kyle Williams.
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 9: Is he a guy that is able to beat the
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 9: zone coverage on the outside with his speed and the
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 9: strong hands that the kid has. That's my question on
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 9: you guys.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: Thanks Mark, Yeah, it's a good question. I I look
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 2: at Kyle Williams as the guy that's going to be
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 2: better off against man like when they can get him
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: off the line of scrimmage, open them up, get his
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 2: speed going, get the dynamic routes similar different body types,
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: Like he's a little bit bigger than Pop Douglas, but
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: similar idea as Pop Douglas, where Hollins booty digs. Like
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: those guys are the guys to me that are the
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: zone beating receivers that are going to find those soft
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: spots that are going to know, you know, if it's
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: to cover two, you know, too high safety, like the
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: corner is going to be trapping or squatting in the
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: flat and like where's that hole right behind him? Or
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: if it's cover three, do you have that ability to
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: run off the corner and then kind of hitch you
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: know underneath it. Like those types of things I think
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 2: are more a feel for those guys. And again if
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 2: the Steelers play a lot of man coverage, because I
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 2: can tell by the calls and the emails that people
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: want to get Douglas and Kyle Williams going.
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, like you want this because the offense
• 1:43:49
  Speaker 3: needs the speed and that's not I don't want to
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 3: come across as saying those guys are you know the
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 3: fast and conversation there's an and with both of them.
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: Pop Douglas his ability to win at the top of
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: the route and manage his ability to create after the catch.
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: Kyle Williams had to release his ability to get off
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: the line. He has an ability to create after the
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: catch as well. But I get it. You want to
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: get the speed going that you can't force it. You
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: also don't want to just force it and kind of
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: handcuff yourself from everything else you're doing.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 2: Okay, So a couple of emails to wrap up the
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 2: show here. So one theory on running left versus running
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: right and favoring running left was this is from will
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 2: and Toronto talking about the stunting on the left side
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: that we saw in the preseason that gave Campbell and
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: Jared Wilson problems. I think one of the things that
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 2: you might be seeing, and this could go either way.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: I could hear arguments for both sides. They're running a
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 2: lot more outside zone and actually an outside zone. I
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: would say the backside blocks are just as important as
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 2: the front side blocks because you're trying to set up
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: those cutback lanes back through the middle of the field.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: So if they feel like Moses and on anywhere, they're
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 2: run blockers like they might. Actually sometimes teams will run
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 2: outside zone away from their best blocker so that he
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: can try to pin down the defense and create those
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 2: cutback lanes, So that might be a part of it.
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: Duo is kind of similar, where like if you run duo,
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: you're running towards the tight end usually in duo, And
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 2: if you want to do that, then like again like
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 2: kind of bouncing or cutting up the field, it might
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 2: be the better path. And if you put your best
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: blockers on the backside of duo, then you might be
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: able to kind of set up a crease for them
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 2: to cut back that way too. So they did run
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: power right behind Morgan Moses in the right side, and
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: Morgan Moses and Austin Hooper were on a double team
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: that caved in the line and got that twenty one
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: yard run going. So maybe it's your thing is just
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: the simplest path forward, right, Like, yeah, your best run
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: blockers run right behind them, But I do think some
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 2: of the schemes that they're running in the run game
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: now might favor your best run blockers actually being on
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 2: the back side of the run instead of the front
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: side of the run. Plus, like, if you want to
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 2: try to get the edge on the outside zone, like
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: Campbell's much more likely to get the edge than Morgan
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: Moses because of his athleticism. So this is from John
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: and Louisiana. He's making fun of you, Alex. So, Alex,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: I watched you and Brian Hines shout out Brian Hines
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: Dolphins versus Patriots preview, and you said, I quote, if
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 2: you want to be that team, go be Miami. We
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: look at all the motion. He just does sound like
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: something that you would say. Yeah, and that's all that was.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: We're playing in my head Sunday because Miami was motioning
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 2: us to death. I blame you because that was an
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: all time quote. Lol.
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 3: Who won the game? Which in which coaches? In which
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: coach is going to be employed at this time next week?
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: Who ran more motion this week versus last week? Patriots?
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, the Patriots motion had purpose, the Dolphins got
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 3: called for a costly illegal shift penalty, that's true. And again,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 3: who won the game?
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: Do they?
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: I have no problem with motion with purpose. Yes, we're
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 3: gonna run this guy back and forth left and right
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 3: five times because we just want to wear out your corner. Eh.
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: As Josh McDaniel said, motioning is fun, which I'm his
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: my words, not his. I think that that's kind of
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 2: him being like, all right, your cute little motion, but
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 2: it's okay.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, no, I think that I think the Dolphins
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: motion at times out of hubers. I think Mike McDaniel
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: wants to look cool and wants people to post the
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: clips on Twitter and be like, what a genius this
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 3: guy looks fancy.
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: There's no doubt about that.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: Doesn't do anything. Sometimes it does, so I'm not saying
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 3: it always doesn't. But and are the motions he's doing legal?
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: And if he's getting away with it, fine, credit to him.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 2: But I don't think that their motions at the snap
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: always have a purpose. The cheap motions where they motion
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: he'll into the route is like impossible to defend.
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 3: You mean the one where he gets a running start.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's impossible to defend. Uh. Since that email
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 2: is picking on you, I'll pick on myself with this email.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: Noah emails an Alex are you hearing this? Evan's a
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 2: run game apologist. Now I've gotten a couple of these that, like,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: you know, people both sides.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 3: But some people are worried, Oh you're in on establishing
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: the run now, this is great.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Some people are worried that I'm so run game centric
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: right now is in like, oh god, Evan doesn't think
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: that they can do anything else good, so they have
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: to run the ball. And then some people are making
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: fun of me for being a run game apologist. I
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: want to be clear about my run game thoughts. My
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 2: run game thoughts are running the ball to set up
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 2: play action. That's why I want them to run the football.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: It's not to be oh, yeah, we're gonna ground and
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: pound and we're gonna we're gonna out at a certain point,
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be the tougher team and bite knee caps. No,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: that's not what it is.
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 3: At a certain point. There's not much of a difference
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 3: there is. You got to establish the run. You have
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: to establish the run.
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, but I'm just being very crystal clear that it's not.
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: Is establishing the run important?
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: Yes or no to this offense? Yes, all right, there
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: you go. That'd make you happy, Yes, very much. Want
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 2: to talk a few injuries here in the last five
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: minutes of the show. One of them I think is
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: kind of under the radar. This is from Michael in Pinegrove.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: Should we be concerned about Morgan Moses, especially against t
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 2: J Watt this week?
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. I actually got a question in my
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: mailbag this week that was, what's the drop off from
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: Morgan Moses to Marcus Bryant. I really didn't know how
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 3: to answer it because we didn't don't him right, We
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: don't have a ton of exposure. I think it's fair
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: to be encouraged by what you saw from Morgan from
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Marcus Bryant this summer, like he had a good summer and.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: I didn't.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: I don't know that he was a player that was
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 3: always going to make the team. I think he earned
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: his way onto the team and he deserves credit, and
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 3: he had a good summer, and happy to see it.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: It was a lot against backups and tjo Wat's a
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: pretty big jump from the average backup you see in
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 3: the NFL. So I don't know if the question was
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 3: about injury or if it was just about wanting to
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 3: bench Morgan Moses because of the false starts or whatever,
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 3: which I think would be premissture. Well, the question I
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: got him saying, but because he's from sports have listeners, yeah,
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 3: where there's generally a little more emphasis on this guy sucks.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but oh I wonder why.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I honestly I kind of skipped it,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 3: and I apologize because I don't know what the drop
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 3: off is. I don't know what more Marcus Bryant's gonna
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: look like in the NFL. I don't know that this
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 3: is the week I want to find out up against TJ.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: Watt and kind of drop them in cold. They might
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 3: have to depending on where Morgan Moses is at health wise.
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 3: But we talked about this before the season. They have
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: so many rookies and key roles, and there were six
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: that were starting right away. Marcus Bryant is kind of
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 3: a quick seventh. Only seventeen tackles last year started all
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 3: seventeen games for their teams. Only two teams I think
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: it was the Titans and Packers had both tackles start
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 3: all seventeen games. So odds are Marcus Bryant. We're gonna
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: see him at some point. We're gonna have to find
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 3: out ands TJ. Watt might not right now, nothing against
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 3: the kid, This is probably not the week want to
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: do that.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: So I think Morgan Moses I know yet I almost
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 2: had him on the downs. He was not particularly good
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: in this game on Sunday, but he also wasn't bad
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: by any means.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 3: If not for the penalties, I think you kind of
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 3: just move on. He wasn't good or bad. He was
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: kind of fine and would sink it.
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: And that's such a that's such an improvement from where
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 2: their right tackle play has been right that he is
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: he's really earned that set it and forget it money.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: So far, I would say week one he was really
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: really good against Matt Crosby. That last week he was hurt.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: But there's a bunch of reporting coming out of the
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 2: locker room postgame in Miami that I think Doug Kyde
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: said he saw him with a boot on his foot.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 2: A lot of limping from Morgan Moses. I would highly doubt,
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 2: and this is just speculation and has zero shelf life
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 2: because we're going to find out in like two hours.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 2: I would highly doubt that he's going to practice on Wednesday.
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like he might be a veteran rest slash
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: injury rest Wednesday player all year. Yeah, as a thirty
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 2: four years in this league, So I am a little
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 2: bit worried about Morgan Moses. It changes a lot in
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 2: my opinion if it's Morgan, if it's Marcus Bryant against
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 2: TJ Wytt instead, of Morgan Moses, like now you have
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: to kind of reinvent your entire UH protection scheme, protection plan,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: like you got yeah, one hundred percent.
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 3: I will say this about Morgan Moses though, and there
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 3: was a lot of talk about his age when they
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 3: signed him. He plays. He plays, and he'll tough through
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: it and he'll play hurt. He didn't miss after his
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 3: rookie year. He didn't miss a game until twenty twenty three,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: and then he's missed three games each the last two years.
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: It's pretty solid for a tackle to play twenty eight
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: games too over the span of two years. He has
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 3: missed some time. The last couple of years, he's gotten
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: on this other side of thirty. He hope this isn't
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 3: one of the game. You don't want him to miss
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: any games, but this especially, you hope isn't a game
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 3: that he misses. But he's not somebody I worry about
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 3: being like, I don't want to risk it this week. No,
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 3: I think if he can go, he'll go, and if
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 3: you know, if it means in a walking boot after
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 3: the game, he's didn't practice during the week, if he
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 3: can get out there on Sunday, he seems like the
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 3: kind of guy that will get out there on Sunday.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: So last thing here speaking of zero shelf lives. But
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: there are a bunch of people watching live, do we
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: or do we not see Christian Gonzales at practice oh
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: for the next couple of days.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like Vrabel's saying there's a chance
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 3: he plays this week. He's not gonna say that and
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: then not every practice, right, So.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: You're saying there's a chance.
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 3: Here's where I'm at with Chris Gonzalez. Yes, I actually
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: think that what it comes down to is what has
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: he been able to do behind the scenes. We've talked
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: about this before. Corner is not a position, not that
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 3: practice is not important, but it's not like wide receiver
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: where you got to get the timing down with the
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: quarterback and the timing down with the other guys running
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: the routes and the context of the offense and the chemistry.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Corner is it's more in the film room than on
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: the practice field. The way they're going to play at
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: man coverage, right, Study this guy, learn his routree, learn
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: the nuances of his release, things like that, and go
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 3: use that against him on Sunday. That's what you do.
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 3: So if Gonzales can still do that, it's just what
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: kind of shape is he in because he hasn't practiced
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: in six months.
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: It's a conditioning.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: If they've been being especially careful, right and he's still
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: running around, he's still doing his conditioning on a side field,
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: he just simply they didn't want him taking the contact,
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: then he may be able to go this week. If
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: he returns to practice. If it's actually been bad and
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: he couldn't even do the conditioning, then you're probably looking
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 3: at another week even once he returns to practice.
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: Or maybe even it's just like third downs, like if
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 2: you play him in third downs and like two minute.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 3: Ham strings are just so weird.
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: It's like, but even that, like if he plays twenty
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: twenty five snaps, I think it's a good thing to do,
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: just to kind of.
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: East back and fields this week for the Jets.
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