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S5 Bonus Zizian Cult Unveiled - CFAR_MIRI And The Meeker 4 Protest Episode 4 · True Crime and Wine Time

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  Speaker 1: M hmmmm, Hello everybody.
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  Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Hello, Welcome.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: To the insanity.
• 0:20
  Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, welcome.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Hey, Zoe looks like she's got to go out.
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  Speaker 2: She sure does, doesn't she does. She's like, oh, are
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: you going live? I think now is the time of
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  Speaker 2: the restroom. He's a smart girl.
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  Speaker 1: Eight minutes ago, terror goes in two minutes, she's gonna
• 0:46
  Speaker 1: need to go. She actually far exceeded my expectations.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. That's Capin says. That's my girl, that's her spirit. Animals.
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  Speaker 1: Oh hey, amber him welcome.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that cuty. That's mister Jazzer. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 2: try to put him up in my lap.
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  Speaker 1: So oh.
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  Speaker 2: Look how cute he is. I love it. I love it.
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  Speaker 1: Don't get there, Okay, here we go. I'm gonna put
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  Speaker 1: you back on. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Oh man, he's gotten so big, so big, he has
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: gus buddyday you get away.
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  Speaker 1: Y'all. Don't understand. This is like the most adorable sound
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  Speaker 1: in the world.
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  Speaker 2: Your role body, are you ready? Are you ready? Okay?
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  Speaker 1: Here you yep. That's right. He's gonna pull it out himself.
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  Speaker 1: It's the chopping. It's the chomping that gets me.
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  Speaker 2: Every time. Look at that cutie.
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  Speaker 1: Listen to the chomping.
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  Speaker 3: Wait, oh, just Double Age just running my bull a snack.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, bag, happy, Happy birthday, desper Is this
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  Speaker 2: his first birthday? I'm gonna miss it. Okay, Wow, that's crazy.
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  Speaker 2: He's so cute he is.
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  Speaker 1: The chomping gets me every time.
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  Speaker 3: I know, and I can't wait to we get another one.
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  Speaker 3: And here I'm both chomping at the same time.
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  Speaker 1: You can hear You can hear Double H's heart skipped
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  Speaker 1: five beats just from that.
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  Speaker 2: That's exactly what I was thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Well, but today he made the comment when we were
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  Speaker 3: in their house thing that we're building. He goes, and
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  Speaker 3: I'm putting this over the electrical wire so the goats
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  Speaker 3: don't chew it. I heard the.
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  Speaker 2: Somebody opened the door.
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  Speaker 1: Yet.
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  Speaker 3: Can you say hi to everybody? You're not getting any more?
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  Speaker 2: No, that's it. You look on my snacks. It's that's it.
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  Speaker 2: It's dinner. I like this little harness and stuff. Oh
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  Speaker 2: my goodness. I can't believe how big he is. He is.
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  Speaker 1: I know he's he's fat.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Oh, it's been all the way. First goes straight
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  Speaker 2: to the hips. I heard.
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  Speaker 3: You want to tell everybody by, so you can go
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  Speaker 3: eat dinner.
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  Speaker 2: He just wants to be on the show. He has
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  Speaker 2: things to say about the cans. I'm sure is he
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  Speaker 2: gonna eat that paper? He like napkins, Oh lady, and
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  Speaker 2: wanted to know how much does he weigh? How much
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  Speaker 2: does he weigh?
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  Speaker 3: Probably about seventy pounds.
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  Speaker 2: Seventy pounds, wow, said, I mean that's very still, Amber says,
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  Speaker 2: short and girl, all of his napkins. You're a gold boy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so cute blue eyes too.
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  Speaker 1: It's not much different than what it looks like when
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  Speaker 1: I eat on the camera.
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  Speaker 2: Body, go back for data.
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  Speaker 1: Oh that was a very handsome double arm. You saw that.
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  Speaker 1: That's a very handsome double h arm right there. That
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  Speaker 1: I just saw it was what a strong.
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  Speaker 2: Now I have nilla wafer crumbs in my lap.
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  Speaker 1: At least that's all you've got in your lap. Worse.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, no, he would never.
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  Speaker 3: He is never, except for the time I said pee,
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  Speaker 3: Because if you're tak him and you're telling him to pee,
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  Speaker 3: he pee's on command. And one day I was telling
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  Speaker 3: somebody that you say that, and I had him in
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  Speaker 3: my lap and he stood up and pete on me.
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  Speaker 2: It was my fault.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sending Casper and Nelton your way so you can
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  Speaker 1: train them.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can't wait, Oh I know, just wait until
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  Speaker 3: we see them snuggled up in bed together watching TV.
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  Speaker 3: He likes to cuddle and bed.
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  Speaker 1: You'll get that handsome look. We're getting all the handsome
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  Speaker 1: gentlemen tonight, good grief.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank y'all for letting me show you. Mister Jasper.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's fat because I overfeed him. Looks the
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  Speaker 3: right size he is because tomorrow morning he won't be
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  Speaker 3: that size because he won't eat all night, and he
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  Speaker 3: pulls the food from his other stomachs, so his other
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  Speaker 3: stomachs are big. And then when he goes and he
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  Speaker 3: pulls up his regurgitation, then he eats that he gets smaller.
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  Speaker 3: So he's got a an tummy where it all just
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  Speaker 3: sits in ferments.
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  Speaker 1: Ready to get stomach with four compartments. I wish I
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  Speaker 1: had one stomach with four compartments.
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  Speaker 2: What even okay, rudimers or.
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  Speaker 3: Rude to something or another that means different compartments.
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  Speaker 2: I didn't know that about goats at all. So look
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  Speaker 2: at us already learning things.
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  Speaker 1: Look at that we build up, and boy, are we
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  Speaker 1: about to tear you down. Tell us how we're going
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  Speaker 1: to tear them down tonight?
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  Speaker 2: All right, well you guys, Tonight we dive into episode
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  Speaker 2: four of our special investigation, Investigation Zizian's Unveiled. This multi
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  Speaker 2: part deep dive exposes the chilling truth behind the Zizian Cult,
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  Speaker 2: a radical mix of trans vegan, rationalists, anarchists, all the
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  Speaker 2: labels really, who have left a trail of bodies stretching
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  Speaker 2: from coast to coast. This is, without a doubt, I
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  Speaker 2: think it is safe to say at this point the
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  Speaker 2: craziest true crime story any of us have come across
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  Speaker 2: in all of our combined years of true crime. And
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: we're still getting new stuff coming out about them all
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  Speaker 2: the time. We will be here every Sunday at nine
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  Speaker 2: pm Eastern unraveling their tangled web. So if you guys
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  Speaker 2: haven't yet, please like this video so it shows up
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  Speaker 2: in the algorithm however that works. I'm not smart enough
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  Speaker 2: to belong to this rational community of AI, but apparently
• 7:57
  Speaker 2: it's a big deal. So like the video so other
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  Speaker 2: people come and join us. Make sure you've subscribed and
• 8:02
  Speaker 2: hit that like button so you do not miss us
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  Speaker 2: going live to talk about these people. Because you're not
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  Speaker 2: want to miss anything. No, but before we get into that,
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  Speaker 2: let's talk about what we're drinking tonight. You guys, Terry,
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  Speaker 2: let's go with you.
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  Speaker 3: Before we get into what I'm drinking. Did y'all notice
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  Speaker 3: we have a new member.
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  Speaker 2: We do. Harry True Crime became a member.
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  Speaker 3: Oh so she can actually chat to people in the
• 8:32
  Speaker 3: members only party because I'm a member now.
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  Speaker 2: It's true. If you guys didn't know you should join
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  Speaker 2: and be members. Terry and JT that members only live
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  Speaker 2: on Friday. And you guys, I've never laughed so hard.
• 8:45
  Speaker 2: I of course was lurking and watching, but it's quite
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: quite the show, very fun time. They're very candid. We
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  Speaker 2: learned some stories that some lore of JT and Terry too.
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  Speaker 3: Was in my pajamas, no makeup, hair on top of
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  Speaker 3: my head. We talked about you you medge with other people.
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  Speaker 3: Just go become a member and you'll see it. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: but no tonight. I chose trouble Maker because these are
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  Speaker 3: trouble makers and it's from Austin Hope Winery and they
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  Speaker 3: say it's inspired by those early days in life of
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  Speaker 3: pushing boundaries. And it also says they say the noses
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  Speaker 3: bursting with jammy boisonberry and BlackBerry with a fresh hint
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  Speaker 3: of raspberry, which carries through to taste. Carries through to
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  Speaker 3: the taste with also underlying tones of peppercorn, dried tobacco,
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  Speaker 3: and roasted coffee. What and it's a red blend. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to say, I hope I do not drink
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  Speaker 3: this whole bottle tonight because I will have one hell
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  Speaker 3: of hang over tomorrow if.
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  Speaker 2: I go, you will, that would these troublemakers. There's a
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  Speaker 2: good chance I'll be drinking it. It has like all
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  Speaker 2: my favorite things though, fruits, coffee, nicotine, like that's literally
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  Speaker 2: me as a person. So that's that's well. It smells heavenly.
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  Speaker 3: I've never tasted it before, and since I spent the
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  Speaker 3: weekend at my best friend's house, we have matching best
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  Speaker 3: friend glasses and they have our name on the bottom,
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  Speaker 3: so I decided I would drink out of my cup
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  Speaker 3: since she's not here with me.
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  Speaker 2: I love that. That's adorable.
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  Speaker 1: Is it the first time you're tasting this? Yes, okay,
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  Speaker 1: I want to experienced this.
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  Speaker 2: Ooh oh okay, And it's smooth. Oh oh, you're going to.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I can taste the smoky tobacco taste interesting.
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  Speaker 3: It is good, and it's got a little spice from
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  Speaker 3: the pier.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I bought it at Tarja, not Tarja Wally World.
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  Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's variable.
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  Speaker 2: I had to go to Wally World.
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  Speaker 1: All right. Well, I forgot to put some notes in
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  Speaker 1: this section, so I did it in like thirty seconds
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  Speaker 1: before we started. I'm drinking Ballad Brewings colsh style Golden Ale.
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  Speaker 1: It's some. That's all right. It's just all right. I
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  Speaker 1: mean there's no shade, but then again all the shade.
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  Speaker 1: Why did I pick this? I don't know. I had
• 11:41
  Speaker 1: some reject beers in the fridge, and at this point
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  Speaker 1: in the story, I'd like to find some redeeming qualities,
• 11:46
  Speaker 1: but I can't seem to find them at all in
• 11:47
  Speaker 1: the Zizians, because between the past three episodes and tonight,
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: I got literally nothing finding any of those qualities. It's
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: like finding a life lesson in a slap fight at
• 11:57
  Speaker 1: gas station between a woman of God and a local
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  Speaker 1: amateurler on a Saturday night in Reno.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's pretty accurate. That's pretty accurate.
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  Speaker 3: Point behind the percent, you're gonna be.
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  Speaker 2: So hungover tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: You were going to be tomorrow.
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  Speaker 2: That is streets. That's a really high percentage for a
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  Speaker 2: bottle lot. Yes, I'm gonna have to get me some
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  Speaker 2: of that.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know what that is. That's a world percentage
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  Speaker 1: if that is.
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  Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, Well, I was surprised that they had
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  Speaker 3: it there.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that is be honest, My two beers don't even
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  Speaker 1: total your percentage.
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  Speaker 2: I've ever seen a percentage that I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Why, let me put my glasses back on. Let me
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  Speaker 3: make sure I'll need your going cross. I stand corrected
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  Speaker 3: fourteen point five.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, still, you're gonna hang over tomorrow.
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  Speaker 3: What are you drinking?
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  Speaker 2: Miss l Well? So I bought a whole ass box
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  Speaker 2: of Okay, I bought a whole glass box because I
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  Speaker 2: need it for this story. But when I went to
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  Speaker 2: get it out of the fridge before the show, somehow
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the box became all wet. So now
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: I just have a big as bag of wine.
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  Speaker 3: Can I tell you That's what I do when I
• 13:28
  Speaker 3: buy mine. I take them out of the box and
• 13:31
  Speaker 3: put them straight in the refrigerator like that, because then
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: they get colder and it's more chilled, and they'll have
• 13:36
  Speaker 3: like little pieces of ice almost in it.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, well that makes.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So if it sounds like peeing at any point
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  Speaker 2: in time of the show, I just want you to
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  Speaker 2: know it's me refilling my glass, not me doing that,
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  Speaker 2: because my microphone picks up literally everything.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, just so you know, thank goodness, were rated in
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  Speaker 3: and up because the school teacher just got in trouble.
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: He had to go to the bathroom. He didn't have
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  Speaker 3: a teacher to sit with this class, so he peeded
• 14:11
  Speaker 3: underneath his desk into a jug, and the kids heard
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  Speaker 3: something and looked. He just got arrested for sexual assault.
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  Speaker 2: Wow.
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  Speaker 3: We just make sure there's no kids around if you
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  Speaker 3: are going under the desk.
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  Speaker 2: Wow, that's that's the story I wanted to look into that.
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  Speaker 2: That's pretty wild. Well anyway, so yeah, I'm really excited
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  Speaker 2: to be here tonight and discuss more Zizzy and Shenanigans,
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  Speaker 2: because boy do we got some for you guys there.
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: The gift keeps on giving. They I mean, they literally.
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: Are all the wrong ways and well, as I've done
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: for for every episode this series involves many non binary
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: and transgender people. We will not avoid these topics as
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: they are important to the philosophy of the cult. All
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: subjects will be introduced with their chosen name and legal name.
• 15:07
  Speaker 1: For the sake of legal research, we will do our
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: best to use appropriate pronouns, but please know if any
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: mistakes are made, it speaks to the vast number of
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: players in this case and the complicated nature of their beliefs,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: and it is in no way intended to disrespect their
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: gender identity. We are very proud of the respectful and
• 15:24
  Speaker 1: inclusive check community that we've built here. Our regulars know
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  Speaker 1: the drill. But to anyone popping in, please know that
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  Speaker 1: we are not going to tolerate hate speech. Statistic I'm
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: getting a train, can you hear the see?
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  Speaker 2: I told you everything? Okay, Well, then I won't.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like Bruce Brings second there.
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  Speaker 2: All right, I thought you were doing sound effects.
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  Speaker 1: Jat no, no, I was doing sound effects. I'd thrown up.
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  Speaker 1: So it's fine. So anyways, We're proud of the Czech
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  Speaker 1: community that we've built here. Our regulars know the drill.
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  Speaker 1: If anybody's popping in, know that we don't tolerate hate
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  Speaker 1: speech at all. Statistically speaking, trans people are four times
• 16:16
  Speaker 1: more likely than sinisgendered people to be the victims of crime.
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  Speaker 1: We are not here to fan that fire. We are
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: here to discuss how this group of breat young people
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: ended up involved in multiple deaths. With that said, terry
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  Speaker 1: kick us off.
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  Speaker 2: Well, hold on just a second. A miss is here tonight,
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  Speaker 2: her powers out, our associate producer is She's out of
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  Speaker 2: power right now, so we're having a good old time
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: doing this without her today, hopefully, She answered power back,
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: I too will be under a severe storm launch possible
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  Speaker 2: tornadoes in like an hour and a half, So I
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  Speaker 2: mean they're with us tonight, you guys name a miss.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I am running the presentation, so really we
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  Speaker 1: don't know what we're going to get tonight. Okay, be anything.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine if I was doing it, I would shut
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  Speaker 3: the whole thing down and we would wind.
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  Speaker 1: Up honestly probably trust you more.
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  Speaker 3: So, Well, I'm going to give you a quick thing.
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  Speaker 3: So just like the previous episodes, guys, we we being
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: the smart people not including me, have made some very
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: helpful graphics to go along with this story. So if
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: you're listening to this as a podcast, I am going
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to tell you take your little happy butt over to
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: YouTube and watch this on our True Crime and wine
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: time YouTube channel. You're going to need the graphics to
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: see it, and you get to watch us in person
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: make fools out of ourselves.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That's true because you never know what we're gonna get
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: with with Kaptain Amy who who put together our visuals.
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  Speaker 3: You are just catching this and this is your first
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: time and you're a little confused. You can find the
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: previous episodes on our YouTube channel underlives or on our
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: curated playlist about Zizian's. Okay, because we've said this each episode,
• 18:27
  Speaker 3: you do not want to miss any details about this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, they literally are making me have to come
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: up with a new word because bunny boiler doesn't work,
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: because they are beyond bunny boiler and I have yet
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: to come up with a new word, I know, and we're.
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: Just getting deeper and deeper in every week.
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  Speaker 3: By the end of it, I will have a new word.
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  Speaker 2: Right. Oh, so, last week we finished reading Zizza's blog
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: posts on the early days of the Zizian and what
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: a fun time that was, and her and Gwinn's failed
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: attempt to build up the Rationalist Rationalist Fleet, if you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: want to call it that, by living on boats not
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: so much a good idea, especially if you don't have
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: a bike helmet. I think that was the most important
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: thing we learned last episode is to always have your
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: bike comment on when on a boat.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yes, we did learn that Sith power is no match
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: for incompetence, which really makes you rethink the series to
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  Speaker 1: be honest, so.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. We also explored the interactions between Zizz
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: and Jane Fluttershy, who Ziz clearly thought was a mortal enemy,
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  Speaker 2: and we introduced Maya Paysek, who was in the process
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  Speaker 2: of starting her own rationalist community in Spain. But sadly,
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: at the end of that story, Fluttershy aka j Winterford
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: and Maya Payseck both lost their lives to suicide.
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: It's it's almost like no amount of distance socially, geographically,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: or otherwise could prevent the tragedy that follows. Is wherever
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: the Dark Lord Sith goes.
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  Speaker 2: True true trail. Yes, we also pretended to understand what
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: mental tech was and their strange belief that two hemispheres
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  Speaker 2: of your brain are two different personalities that could be
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  Speaker 2: good and or evil and we're trying to kill one another.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: I hope everyone has spent the last week working on
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: their Man of Warp and mind control powers because I have.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: It's really brave of everybody here to NodD along while
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: someone explained how their brain hemispheres were in a custody
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: battle over the body. One's good, one's evil. Apparently they're
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: both subscribed to the same Dungeons and Dragons campaign. I
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: do hope that Man of Warp training went well. Rumor
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  Speaker 1: has it the producer terrifyingly unlocked level three mind control
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  Speaker 1: and used it to get out of doing the dishes.
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  Speaker 3: So that's true, Well true, better to me, because my
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: brain is fried trying to figure it out, and I
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: honestly think I'm short circuited.
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  Speaker 2: I do. I was like going, I feel that every day.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Hey guys, I am sorry, but there is a mosquito
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: flying in front of my face and I can't catch them.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. Well, I hope you have an existential
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: crisis deciding what you're going to do with that. Well,
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: high gimmers, Hey girl, hey girl. Hey, So, just like
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: last week, tonight's story is only going to focus on
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: a select few Ziz and Gwen who were familiar with,
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: and two new people that we have not discussed yet,
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Amma Borhanian and Somni aka Alexander lead them. We're going
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: to dip our toes a little bit into the world
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: of m IRI and CFA R, two organizations that are
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: pretty much the reason all the Zizzians met one another.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And then we're going to get into what can only
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: be described as the worst thought out protest one could imagine,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: because these people are really not great at anything anything
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: they do.
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: It was really bohemian of them.
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: All right, So let's get into it, you guys, let's
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: get into all this madness. Shall we make sure your
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: glasses are full?
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: That's true? Hold on, you might hear pieces. Sorry, guys,
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: got my bad lot here I can help.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Oh, Nory's going to join. It's okay. You're both doing
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: it at the same time, charging with sexual assault. It's fine.
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: I did it on top of my desk instead of
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: under the desk.
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: That's impressive. I'm surprised you're electronic are still working. We've
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: mentioned the rationalist organizations MIRI and see FAR several times
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: so far in this story, and I think it's time
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: we take a little bit of a deeper look into
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: what exactly these groups are and why many in the
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: story donated their money and time to them, because if
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: you're gonna blow your savings preparing for a robot apocalypse,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you might as well make sure the people cashing your
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: check aren't still losing chess matches to their rumba. So
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: with that said, let's go ahead and start with MIRY.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: For I told you guys, it's gonna be a multitasking nightmare.
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: So let's start with Marie first. Thank you. MARIE is
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: one of the oldest and most influential organizations in the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: AI safety field, and it stands for the Machine Intelligence
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Research Institute. It's a nonprofit organization founded in two thousand
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: under a different name at the time by a Leiser Yudkowski.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Think of him as like their version pro there. You
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: know what what I wrote here, I feel like makes
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: a lot more sense. Think of him as their version
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: of Jesus if Jesus had a Reddit addiction and believed
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: the Singularity was coming faster than him. On prom night,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: He's a big freaking deal to them. You're welcome. I
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: guess he ended up Tara's like, I didn't put that
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: in there. Nope, I did. Sorry. He ended up writing
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: a bunch of blog posts about the future of AI
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and safety, mostly on the less Wrong website he created,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: which apparently we're all turned into an ebook in twenty
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: fifteen called Rationality from AI to Zombies because nothing says
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: trust biologic like writing writing using a genre in which
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: people's brains fall out.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: So I don't understand these zobbie things, but you guys,
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: go ahead. I am at a loss. Well he gets better,
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It gets better, okay, so you guys. He also wrote
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: a fan fiction novel, yes, a fan fic called Harry
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Potter and the Methods of Rationality Okay, which The New
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: Yorker says is a retelling in an attempt to explain
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: Harry's wizardry through the scientific method. I have every intention
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: of reading this, and I would be more than happy
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: to do. You have read along in the future, So
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: if any of you are interested in that, leave a
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: comment under this video and I'll see what we can
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: work out, because you know, maybe we can do that
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: as a member only series. I don't know, but I
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: as a huge Harry Potter fan, I have to read.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: Can I do the voices and help? Also?
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: At the top of the first chapter is the following
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: quote disclaimer. JK. Rowling owns Harry Potter, and no one
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: owns the methods of rationality.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: So that's a hard note.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Yes, literally, because I will buy about out of that reading,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: since I have never read or seen any Harry Potter.
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I made sure to buy it from my child who
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: was interested. I've been made him my Harry Potter birthday
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: cake for his birthday one year. Other than that, I
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: know nothing I have to put in my rest right.
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Now, you guys, sorry, shows over.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I'm out, Harry. We're aft, we are a ft, but
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I will say this, Terry, you are a true unicorn
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: in the digital age. Now, we still love you, even
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: if your pop cautar knowledge begins and ends with the
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: vibes and a Wikipedia summary. It's fine. We're good. I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: love you so much.
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: We're gonna have to just spend a whole two weeks together,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm gonna have to educate you.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: I just not let me explain. I have so many
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: people ask me this. I like to figure out what
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: makes real people tick and why real people do stuff,
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: not imaginary little wizardy guys.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: But you read the hobbit know that I mean. In fairness,
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: I grew up with Harry Potter like I was a
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: teen when it came out and everything. So it was
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: very much like my generation like thing.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: And that's why, because my kids were reading it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: I wasn't.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: I know it stops being a kid's book around book four. Okay,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: real quick, real quick. So oh I didn't know that.
• 27:52
  Speaker 3: Well, that would explain my Jeffa loved it so much.
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: Then.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But in fairness, I mean that was just what
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: I grew up being a part of that ze guy.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: So I forgive you, Terry, but I will educate you
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: about Harry Potter anytime you want. Well, apparently I am
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: not the only ones. We'll just have to have a
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: whole show about Harry Potter.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Now, oh god, we're going to do the whole reading.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: We are going to do the reading. It is separated
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: in chapters. I went through the first chapter today. It
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: is something else I cannot wait. Yes, all right, so
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: the organization was MARY was created during a time when
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: the idea of artificial general intelligence, or machines capable of
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: human thought, was still viewed as a future concern. But
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: over the years, MARY evolved alongside the growing recognition that
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: AGI might not only be possible but also post significant
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: existential risks if not aligned with human values.
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, all I ever think when I hear when it
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: first started is that people load the data into AI
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: and if they're bad humans, then bad AI. Good humans,
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: good AI. But like I said, I'm an old person.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Well you're not. There's there's there's a there's a small
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: difference between AI and AGI. So AI is what people
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: use when they use chat GPT. AGI is far scarier
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: because ag I can learn anything a human can learn.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: It can solve problems and unfamiliar domains without being specifically programmed.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: It can reason, plan and adapt across a wide range
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: of environments, and it can understand complex goals and pursue
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: them independently. So in short, ag I wouldn't just mimic intelligence.
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: It would be intelligent with general purpose reasoning capabilities on
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: par or exceeding humans. If anything goes to the current trend, exceeding,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: it's a whole other level of intelligence. So I did
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: a little bit. I was trying to find like a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: pop culture reference or some kind of area where I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: could just connect it. But think of data from Star
• 30:05
  Speaker 1: Trek create He's created and humanoid form the best picture ever.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry that Lady and Gray says, what do you
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: call Amy? Ben Capain says, uh g, you guys are
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: going to have to become members and watch the members
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: only live. Hey, really good guys. I have to ask,
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: and you just said star Trek. I've never seen that.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Is it?
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: Like in aliens Ripley, there's that guy that looks like
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: a human but he's really a robot. So that's what
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: we're talking about. Okay, I understand that, but I didn't
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: know who this guy was.
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: Basically, just like the the the AI or a g
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: I humanoid in alien, this is basically an anthropomorphic AGI,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: that's what this is. So just to give you an idea, basically, yeah,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: So basically making friendendly AI is Mary's founding vision, which
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: is the idea that once AGI is developed, it should
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: be beneficial to humanity in a reliable way, not just
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: able to do stuff, but be aligned with human values
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: and motivations. The term friendly refers to a system whose
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: goals are aligned with human flourishing, rather than being indifferent
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: or or or harmful.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Our favorite droids.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: That's ur they are the rods.
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: Is that R two D two and C three oh
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: or something three? Pod job Terry, you get a gold
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: start job.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: My heart hurts.
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: We're getting I'm not gonna be now. I just want
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: to say, like I agree with Mary and the fact
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: that like this is a rude I agree that, like
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: this is a really big concern. You know, I forget
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: which decade it was, but it was when cloning the
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: idea of cloning, and I was getting closer in science
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: to cloning. Right, the whole world, the whole world literally
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: got together had a symposium and was like debated the
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: ethics and the morals of cloning, and we all decided,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: as a consensus of humanity, this is a bad idea.
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: And it's my personal opinion that we really should be
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: having more of these conversations with AI and robots coming along. So, like,
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with Murray's thinking and fears of the future,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: it's just kind of all the other stuff that I'm like,
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: you know, we're not there yet, Like you guys are
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: a little intense, But I agree with them.
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: It's a big deal, Captain, right, if this is just
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: playing Star Wars Knights to the Old Republic, we could
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: have avoided all all of this. She's very, very true.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: So Mary played a central role in launching the modern
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: AI safety field, laying down many of the intellectual foundations
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: now adopted and debated across academia, tech industries, and nonpfit
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: nonprofit think tanks. So they have their own group of
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: researchers that often work on problems that may not have
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: immediate application, but they are seen as crucial for long
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: term safety. They often put out research papers and have
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: collaborative workshops and discussions.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: So Kimbra's Ohio says, she's so glad she hasn't missed
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: much yet because I need some laughs every laughs. Thanks everyone, girl,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: You're gonna have some good laughs tonight. Don't worry this time. Yes,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: it's gonna be a fun time. Now, we could break this,
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: break this specific organization down further into what all they
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: actually do, but to be honest, it's very technical, and
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: if you all want to, we can go into a deeper,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: deeper dive head like, no, I can't do it anymore.
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: Maybe in the future if you guys want to see that,
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: also leave comments and below. I am willing to talk
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: about this group and all of the crazy things forever really,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: but I mean, everyone into that rabbit hole. Just beware,
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: you're going to wind up in Terrace cult.
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: She loves this so much.
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: You should be careful what you drink.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: For one. For one, For one, you should be so
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: lucky to be in this cult with us. But two,
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I have a series of pages of what makes up
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: these organizations, and I am more than happy to talk
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: about it from another perspective on a different episode. But
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: I have it. It exists. It's it's a lot, you.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: Guys, it really it's it's really fascinating and interesting. But
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: it's like our brains might melt. But again, if you
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: want to, if you want to hear about it, let
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: us know and I will happily. We will happily put
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: together more in the future for you guys. But for now,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: let's enter the Center for Applied Rationality known as SEAFAR.
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna call them for the rest of
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: the show. Found it in twenty twelve, and they're not
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: just Murray's spiritual cousin, but it's the bridge to the
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: real world. Okay. So Seefar takes the insights born and
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: the rationalist ivory tower that is Meary and turns them
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: into tools for thinking and living. So like decision making frameworks,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: mental habits, emotional booking exercises because whatever the hell that is,
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: and social coordination.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: They basically turned a deep philosophical class into a self
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: help startup run by spock and a whiteboard.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that is so true. That is so true.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Canber say she's been a part of our cult for
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a very long time? That's true, Thank you.
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking I don't trust any of their tools because
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I think they would try to brainwatch me.
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I guess it kind of explains this
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: whole everybody's own to mine control me thing, I suppose.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: But well, we're gonna learn.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Okay, where's my aluminum foil?
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah? I need some aluminum foil. Actually, tonight is a
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: good conspiracy tinfoil nights.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: MAC need to have double H bring me some now.
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: The former president of c far Anna Salomon, Yes you
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: heard me right. Salomon, who is also a very big
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: player in Tonight's story, said in rese and interviews, I quote,
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: we saw AI is something that was really really important
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: that we needed to get really really right or it
• 37:10
  Speaker 3: would be really really bad. We didn't know this at
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: the time, but in hindsight, we were creating conditions for
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: a cult.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Oh, well, really an a settleman. Somebody wasn't practicing their
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: Murphy jiu jitsu and free hindsight techniques that were about
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: to learn about get out of here.
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: What I've seen her, I've seen her do a ted talk,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: and I've seen videos of speeches and other places from her.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: And for someone who's speaking style is very much like
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: Ai generated a middle school book report, I would say
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: that's a bold statement.
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Cotton Umus asked, did I read that the Zizzians tend
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: foil their phones? Yes, in the first episode when we
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: talked about young Blood and Backled, when the officers went
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: through their car, they did find cell phones wrapped in tenfoil,
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: like they had watched that happen during their surveillance of them.
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: So I don't think we actually mention it, but yes,
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: you are right, they did so. Now.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: SIFAR became best known for its multi day in person workshops,
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: which offered an immersive environment for learning, practicing, and internalizing
• 38:31
  Speaker 3: tools of rational thinking in real word settings INFIDOT, emphasizing
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: on behavior change, intellectual honesty, and decision making under uncertainty.
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: My god, slip my wrist. Now we know that most,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: if not all.
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: Of the Zizians attended these workshops at one time or another,
• 38:53
  Speaker 3: and for some years now. According to rational dot org website,
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: a four and a half day workshop cost three thousand,
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: nine hundred dollars.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: Oh, we got the tinfoil hat.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: It was like it was like summer Camp if summer
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Camp was run by a spreadsheet and a guy named
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Fattius who thinks feelings are a software bug. Oh. Yes,
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: welcome to a Rational camp. We're the only fire we
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: built as a burning destire for epistemic clarity. Grab your bunk,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: grab your priors, and remember, folks, if your friend is
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: drowning in a lake, don't save them until you've done
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: a proper cost benefit analysis. Yes, I did make missus
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Bruce Crime go get meth tinfoil. That did happen?
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Tell her thank you for being such a team player.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: We really appreciate that. I wish we would have thought
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: of it beforehand. We all could have made them, because
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: we didn't dress up this time for this episode anyway.
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, folks, Okay, So that thirty nine dollar price
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: tag includes room and board, a two hundred page handbook,
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: which we do have, by the way, so you know,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: maybe if you guys also want to hear that we
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: can read it in the future. I don't know. Let
• 40:13
  Speaker 2: me know, because if I will take you guys down
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: the rabbit hole, if you don't tell me to stop,
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: like where to stop? I don't know because it's so
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: everything is so much. But anyway, you also get four
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: free fellow up follow up coaching calls with ac FAR
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: staff mentor, and access to and Terry has a tenfoil
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: hat as well.
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: Hey, I'm not letting these people have a chance. My
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: head already has problems inside there. I can't handle anymore.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. I would tell uh
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: B to make me a tenfoil tiara, but he's fine.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: That doesn't help. It has to cover the it has
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: to cover.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I loot it on my tiaras, but I need to
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: protect my brain. Oh so, as I was saying.
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: So.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: For the thirty nine hundred dollars, you also get four
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: free follow up coaching calls with a CEFAR staff mentor,
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: and access to many alumni community benefits, such as a
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: free access to co working space in the Seafar offices,
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: cheaper alumni alumni workshops, which just described on their website
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: as follows. They say small free or donation based workshops
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: that are either deeper dives into a particular part of
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: our curriculum or experimental new material that we want to test.
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: Please give us money so you can be a test threat.
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: Thank you. Okay, okay. They also get on a mailing
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: list and alumni events such as their annual reunion, which
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: we are it's very much the focus of tonight, this
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Seafar reunion. And you can also get a mentorship and
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: instruction training that is a selective program for people who
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: are deeply learning the Sea Far curriculum and potentially adding
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: to it, and for those who are interested in teaching
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: our material to others. I've seen groups that do this
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: kind of thing. They'll run like self help workshops. Blah
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: blah blah. Guys, it's a scam. Don't fall for it.
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: If you have to pay thousands of dollars for somebody
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: to tell you how to think, don't do it. Stay away.
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: Red flags, Yeah, red flags, get that. Let me be aware.
• 42:42
  Speaker 3: We are going to put up a link here in
• 42:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit to collect money so that you can
• 42:46
  Speaker 3: pay to come to some of our workshops that we
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: are going to host in the future.
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: They're only one hundred dollars. They are three easy payments
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: of one hundred dollars and eight really hard ones. Oh
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: it's not that bad.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: I obviously not all of the things. Now one cannot
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: just simply sign up and attend these workshops. Oh no,
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: there's also an admissions interview. They say that the interview
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: is mostly about answering questions about the workshop and what
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: the person is hoping to get out of it. They
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: describe it as a fit check, as the workshop is
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: not right for everyone and See four staff have openly
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: acknowledged that the workshop serve as a talent filter and
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: incubator for high impact careers.
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: Guys, Redflex, I'm just gonna say, if anyone says fit check,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: you need to run. Just letting you know, as somebody
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: who's recruited for thirty years because it started when I
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: was five, Yes, you run. If anybody says fit check, yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Before I get into the next part on this slide,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: it says people uncomfortable with extensive socialization, high anxiety, emotional volatility,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: a lot of current pressing stress, and people looking for
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: something we're not providing here. We literally everybody who's in
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: ce far is those things, every single one. So I'm sorry,
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: but you'll fit test a working Yeah, okay, I feel
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: better now. Seafar's workshops have attracted criticism, particularly for behaviors
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: and cultural patterns that some have described as cultish or
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: socially coercive.
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: Maybe I am one some I am very much one
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: of those.
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: Ye yes, yes, let's explore some of the themes and
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: techniques one might learn at one of these workshops. Now
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: that we're going to break each technique down and give
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: a real world, relatable examp. Now. One area that they
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: cover is epistemic rationality, which is all about figuring out
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: what is true by forming accurate beliefs based on facts,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: even if those beliefs might be hard to accept, unpopular,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: or surprising. It focuses on being intellectually honest and willing
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: to change your mind when you get new evidence, also
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: known as the scientific theory that you learned in ninth grade.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: They use four different techniques for this because it's not
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: just enough.
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: In they're spending four almost four thousand dollars to learn
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: everything we're about to talk about.
• 45:49
  Speaker 3: Okay, like, yeah, four thousand dollars.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: Listen. I refuse to go to see far, I will
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: go to senior.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: Your mouse here is on top of ears.
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: I have to.
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: I kept looking at myself and I'm like, oh my god,
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: I look like I did when I lost my hair
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: from chemo.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: So no, I needed to put something on it to
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: make it pretty. It looks very pretty.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: I love it all right.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: So the first one is yes, that picture is everything
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: to me. It is literally everything. Uh. The first is
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: by using reasoning. This is the process of updating what
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: you believe when you get new information. So what you
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: should do Normally you don't think of things as just
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: true or false. You think in terms of probability, how
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: likely something is, which I would actually I would say
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: is basic common sense, but these days I'm not quite sure.
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: So as an example, imagine you hear a weather forecast
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: that said there's a seventy percent chance of rain tomorrow.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: If the four has changes and now says ninety percent chance,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: you adjust your belief that it will rain tomorrow because
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: you've perceived new information. It is about being flexible and
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: updating your views as new facts come in, as we
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: all should do.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Okay, my bike comment on Lady and Grace suggest bi comment.
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: So I luckily have that readily available. Oh, we can't
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: see you. We've got a picture on the screen. Are
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: you talking about? I don't see you on the screen.
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: I'm here? Am I here?
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: Here? You are?
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: I had it so small I couldn't see us. Okay,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: I don't have storms here yet, you guys, but I
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: got my bike coming on. It's me, it's me now.
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: The second is double crux. Okay, And this is a
• 47:49
  Speaker 3: way to resolve disagreements by finding the main reasons you disagree,
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: hence the crux now, and seeing if you both test
• 48:00
  Speaker 3: or discuss it together to understand it better. Okay, So
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: think of it this way. You and a friend are
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: debating whether pineapple belongs on pizza. That answer is yes,
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: but you both keep arguing in circles using double crucks.
• 48:17
  Speaker 3: You'd identify the key difference. Maybe your friend values tradition
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: while you care about trying new things instead of thighs.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Once you know the crux of.
• 48:32
  Speaker 4: Your disagreement, thighs, are we gonna put pineapple on these
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: and wouldn't have these problems?
• 48:47
  Speaker 3: May But once you knew the know the crux of
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: your disagreement, you can explore whether testing it so In
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: other words, you would taste a new pizza recipe changes
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: your perspective because honestly, I was anti pineapple on pizza
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: till I tried it.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: It's pretty awesome. It like, it's not one of my
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: go to Like, I'm not going to order it, but
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: if somebody else does like it's it's all right. It's good.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: My son loves it.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: Literally, if you apply that to any argument, you owe
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: me a thousand dollars. Thank you.
• 49:26
  Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I will say I'm gonna have to
• 49:28
  Speaker 3: try some pineapples on thighs later. Maybe double H will
• 49:32
  Speaker 3: let me.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Now, So next there is calibration. This is about making
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: sure your confidence is something matches reality. Oh, confidence in
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: something matches reality. If you say you're eighty percent sure
• 49:58
  Speaker 3: of something, it should be correct eight out of ten times.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: So if you're confident, for an example, that a friend
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: will show up at six pm, but they consistently arrive
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: at seven pm, get in front. You recalibrate your expectations
• 50:16
  Speaker 3: over time. Now, if you notice your eighty percent confidence
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: isn't as accurate as it should be, you should adjust
• 50:24
  Speaker 3: and become more realistic about when to expect them.
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: No shit, but is that like really up to me
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: or is it like up to the person who's laid
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: all It's like, why do I have to? I mean,
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: I'll be gracious the first couple of times, but like,
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: get your shit together, okay, send alarm all a freaking tech. Now.
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: What's funny is like that will be.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: Will be make just late for everything.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: That's why I tell double h if we need to
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: be somewhere, I telling between fifteen and thirty minutes really,
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: so that when we get there would be late, but
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: we're actually there.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: Time. Oh, my son's sad. I have to tell him
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: two hours well ahead of the time to even get
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: him remotely close to being on time. It's crazy time
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: blindness for people. That's a real thing. I'm sorry, I'm
• 51:12
  Speaker 2: not making fun of people that do have time blindness.
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: It is a very real thing.
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: But like some people are also really big assholes about
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: it because.
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: They take Some people just don't care.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some people just don't care. Simply are very entitled
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: about people's time. But any it's very warm that well,
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: it's timefoil, like it's a heat conductor.
• 51:35
  Speaker 3: Like it's okay that Kapin has friends who have their
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: own time zones.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: I mean I've met people like that, let's be honest,
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: I mean yep. And of course there's my personal favorite
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: Murphy jiu jitsu, which we've definitely heard before. You on
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: that little bike isn't nice? Sid, can you picture guy?
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: So But in case you guys forgot what Murphy jiu
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: jitsu is, because the Lord knows this has talked about
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: it like three or four times. It is a technique
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: that involves preparing for failure by imagining what could go
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: wrong in your plan and figuring out how to fix
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: it before it happens. Hence my comment to Anna Solomon's
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: quote earlier. Okay, so for an example, a real world
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: example of this, right, So, let's say you're planning a
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: road trip, okay, and you think what could go wrong?
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Which I think about all the time because I have
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: super anxiety. But anyway, you imagine your car breaking down
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: or getting lost. By planning for these possibilities, like having
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: a spare tire or GPS, you've better prepared if something
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: does go wrong. It's about being proactive and anticipating problems
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: and solving them in advance, which, by the way, my
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: therapis is just like Tara, you worry too much about
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: the shit like this is a rabbit, like this is
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: you gotta be very careful. I feel teaching people about this.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: But guys, let's be real. Basically, they're telling us something
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: we should already know.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: I feel that because if I'm going to take a
• 53:15
  Speaker 3: long road trip, I checked to make sure all of well,
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: let me rephrase that, I have double H check to
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: make sure all of my tires have air. I checked
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: to make sure he has the emergency crate packed in
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: the back with waters and food in anything I could
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: possibly need just in case.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: Is that what you do? I think? So here's wait
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: two things, two things before I move into the next section. One,
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: I loved how you said he's packed a crate of
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: things everything I could possibly need. That was my favorite.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: But two too. Obviously, this whole Murphy jitsu doesn't play
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: with Gwen because she doesn't believe the basic things for
• 54:02
  Speaker 1: box trucks are important.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: That's forget about safety supplies. Who needs to worry about
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: roadside assist?
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: No, you need to have that too, because what if
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: you're in an area that you don't have cell service
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: or your phone dies, you gotta have all of the stuff.
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: We literally have a tote with all of the stuffs.
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: We could live in our car for three days.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I liked the description of this slide on our notes
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: better where it said Murphy bullshit, because that's really what
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: this is. It's really what this is, So moving to
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: the next thing. They also covered Instrumental Reality TED, which
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: is about figuring out what you should do to best
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: achieve your goals even when things are on certain scary
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: or emotionally tough. It's about turning your smart thinking into
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: effective actions that get results. And here are some of
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: those core techniques. Remember, after I'm done with this, that's
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: another thousand dollars, thank you. We have goal Factory, which
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: is breaking down a big goal into smaller, manageable parts
• 55:13
  Speaker 1: and understanding the deeper reasons behind it. Smart goals. It
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: helps you find any hidden problems or contradictions in your thinking.
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: For example, that is a troubling troubling image. Suppose you
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: have a goal to get fit. You break it down
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: into sub goals like exercise three times a week, eat healthier,
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: get seven hours of sleep. What who the hell does
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: all of that? Jesus whoa calm down? I said, Smart
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: goals we.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: Remember she like broke down everything all the time.
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: In the words of Nildagrass Tyson, I'm pretty sure. Uh So,
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: while doing this, you might realize you're conflicted. Maybe you're
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: motivated to work out but struggle with finding the time
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: for meals. The fuck has the what? This? Who? Okay?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: This breakdown reveals inefficiencies and helps you fix the parts
• 56:14
  Speaker 1: that aren't working.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: So I just want to say about the AI photos
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: because I was talking with Amy today when she was
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: making them. So ever since we talked about we used
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: AI to make says with the bike helmet. It automatically
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: puts her in a bike helmet, and anything we make
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: with her like it puts in a bike helmets and
• 56:35
  Speaker 2: like everything that we make, which I'm like, that's amazing,
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: by the way, So just just so you know, we
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: did not put in bike helmet.
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: It just you know, this looks a lot like it
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: looks a lot like in prison.
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: It is learning, that's true.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: It's learning, it's remembering, it's adapting. Now I'm gonna just say,
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: if you're motive faded to work out, but you struggle
• 57:03
  Speaker 3: to find time for meals, can't you just eat while
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: you're on the treadmill or the tread climber.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Working out is not my I mean, you can't walk
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: in chew gum at the same time can't eat.
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, well, that's just like. I learned to run on
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: a treadmill in heels in case someone ever was chasing
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: me leaving a bar at night. I didn't want to
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: have to worry about being able to get away because
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I didn't know how to run in my heels. So
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: me and farmer practiced running in heels on the tread
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: climb or the treadmill so that we knew how to.
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Get There is no one piece of me that is
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: surprised by that statement at all.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Sorry, if you're gonna wear heels, you need to learn
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: the plea. I can run in them, so it's not crazy.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: They also you taps trigger action plans, so they're not
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: tapping it. These are trigger action plans.
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, tapping it it does look like she's pooping now.
• 58:16
  Speaker 3: Pops is a technique that helps you create habits linking
• 58:21
  Speaker 3: a specific action to a clear trigger. The idea is
• 58:26
  Speaker 3: that when a certain event happens, you automatically do the
• 58:30
  Speaker 3: desired action. So I'm gonna give you, guys an example.
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: If you want to drink more water, you could set
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: a rule every time I finish a meal, I'll drink
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: a glass of water. The finishing a meal becomes the
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: trigger that automatically leads to the action, hoping to make
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: a habit stick.
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: I like that zz is eating a leaf meal. It
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: looks like a munket does look like a monkey. Oh
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: my goodness. Yea, So now this next one is kind
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: of my favorite. Okay.
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: There's also the pre hindsight, which is your contingency planning. Okay,
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: this is thinking, oh my.
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: God, this is that tug boat. Guys, if you did
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: not listen to our last episode, they buy a tugboat
• 59:31
  Speaker 2: because it's ridiculous.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: So pre hindsight planning is thinking about what could go
• 59:39
  Speaker 3: wrong in a plan and preparing for those problems as
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: if they've already happened. So it helps you be ready
• 59:47
  Speaker 3: for challenges before they arise. So example, you're planning a presentation,
• 59:55
  Speaker 3: instead of waiting for things to go wrong, you should
• 59:58
  Speaker 3: imagine a scenario where the projector breaks.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: You should think.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 3: Through alternatives like having a backup laptop or print outs,
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 3: so you're preparing in advance for potential problems pre hindsight,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: so you can act quickly if needed. Now, JT. I
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 3: know you're gonna say something about this, but guys, it
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: is called preparedness.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 2: What, timmy, you don't want to pay thousands of dollars
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 2: to find this secret out?
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Now? Listen, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I understand
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: what you're saying, and I too believe that, like, what
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: the hell? This is very basic. However, I have also
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: taught years of freshmen in college, and if there's one
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: thing I have learned, it is that you have to
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: spell this out. Now. I was not getting paid thousands,
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: sure wish I was obviously didn't charge enough, but it's
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: not as basic thinking as you think. And considering that
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: all these kids are kids, maybe it's something new for them.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know, they're supposed to be smart.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, okay, let me just put it in a
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 3: simple real word world. So, if you have to go
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 3: into a stall because you need to use the restroom,
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: you check to see if there's toilet paper before you
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 3: squat down. You don't wait till the end and then
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 3: have to you know, be sitting there, or you make
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 3: sure there's people next to you that you could ask
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: to share some underneath. You think of this before you
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: get in there. It's called just thinking ahead.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: I just I would like to imagine myself in a
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 1: stall and a dude next to me and being like,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: hey man, can you pass me some? That's so funny
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: you've never had because I always check.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Okay, you know it's crazy. As earlier we just said that, right,
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: they have a fit test to get into this workshop,
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: like what kind of people they want?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 3: The people who don't already know.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: This exactly exactly terry.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: They want, the people that need to pay for common
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: sense basically, and you know.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: That's not everyone. They want their Okay, I have husbands
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: that well, there's there's many things people struggle with, you know, yeah.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: But like them, I just assume that the fit thing
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: is not to make sure people are good for it,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: although telling somebody they're good for something is a great
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: way to bring them in. What it is is to
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: tell or test how manipulable they are, how much they
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: can be. That's exactly what that is. It's no different
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 1: than having a one on one with with like ship
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: what's his name, uh Man, the flavor aid.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: Man, flavor Oh Jim Jones.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, it's no different than having a one
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: on one with Jim Jones to make sure that you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: can go to the new place. Right, It's like, how
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: can I It's all that same thing.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: Oh, I got a ramp for you, guys, don't worry,
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: is coming.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I can't wait.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: So they also have another technique called cozy, which is
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: comfort zone expansion, which is about stepping outside your comfort zone.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 2: Look at sorry, guys, there's a bunch of pictures of
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: rats also wearing bike helmets.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: Oh my god.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: That is Oh my god.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: We might need to give Amy a raise or cat
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: gpt at rais or whatever.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: Ai. It's amazing for their rat fleet. I love it.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: I love it anyway. Okay, So Cozy is about stepping
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: outside your comfort zone in small ways to build Brazilians
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: and make it easier to act when it really matters.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: It makes sense, right, example, if you're scared of speaking
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: in public, you might start by making small speeches to
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: a friend, then gradually increase the challenge to speak in
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: front of a group. By intentionally seeking discomfort in manageable doses,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: you become more confident and prepared for a bigger challenge
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 2: down the line. I agree, Okay, I I agree as
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: somebody who suffers from social anxiety and gloraphobia, all that
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: jazz exposure therapy is the best way. I just don't
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: think it's good to experience it with this group.
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: Okay, Like you need.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 2: Professionals here, Okay, professionals. So there's also metacognition and self improvement,
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: and that is all about being aware of how you
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: think and understand your brain's patterns. It's about noticing when
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: you are making mistakes in your reasoning and then learning
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: how to correct those mistakes in real time. Okay. So
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: example of that is, imagine you're trying to solve a
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: problem at work and you're stuck through metagognission. You step
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: back and realize you're rushing through the solution because you're
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: stressed and you often make impulsive decisions when under pressure.
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: Who hasn't it's okay, who yeah?
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: Recognizing this, you can slow down, think more clearly, and
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: find a better solution. By noticing how you think you
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: can improve your decision making over time. As somebody who
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: struggles with anxiety, this is someday to constantly remind myself
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: right to pull back you know what, I didn't you
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: pay four thousand freaking dollars.
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: Agreed, it's called in the business world, just take a
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 3: step back. Maybe you're too focused on that. You need
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 3: to take a step back, take a breather, go for
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: a walk.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: In the non business world, it's called chill the fuck out.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: It'll be okay.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 3: Well, nobody wants I'm in the wrong business if they're
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: getting four thousand dollars for this.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: We need to start doing this.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 3: And I will even provide pink sparkles, unicorns, and we
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 3: probably champagne.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 1: Sparkles would just cause more anxiety. I have a feeling.
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 1: Just remember these are But then we can start. The
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: Emperor Palin didn't have sparkly rouge or something. I don't know. Okay,
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: this really is warm. Now I know exactly why people's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: brains are fried when they wear it.
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Okay, I thought it's just me.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: No, it feels like it's hot.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 2: It's a hute. That's what aluminafoil does.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 4: You guys.
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: I literally had to turn the AC unit on all right.
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: So lastly, lastly, we have social rationality and communication. Wow,
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: there has never been a more accurate situation in that photo.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: This focus on real quick.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: If you zoom in on that picture, all of the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 2: people look exactly like Zizz would she would feeling.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: That's why it is very accurate. Sorry, no, that's fine.
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: So this focuses on how to think and communicate effectively
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: in groups. I love this as a communication professor. It's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: about making sure everyone is on the same page, avoiding
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: group think where everyone just agrees without questioning, and asking
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: tough but important questions to ensure better decision making. For example,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: you're in a team meeting discussing a project and the
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: group is getting stuck because everyone's too afraid to bring
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: up concerns. This is exactly what happened with the Challenger explosion.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 1: By the way, this is exactly what happened. This is
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: why the Challenger qloded.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: People fascinating and you need to tell me about that
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 2: later for sure, Yeah.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I shall. Yes, group think was a big deal out
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: of that, So everyone's too afraid to bring up concerns.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: So social rationality it encourages you to speak up and
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: ask different difficult questions like what if this plan doesn't work,
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: or is there another approach that we haven't considered, or
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: is this not a prime time to launch a rocket.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: This helps the group think critically and collaborate better. It's
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: about ensuring open, honest communication and avoiding the trap where
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 1: everyone just agrees without truly analyzing the situation. This is
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: not social rationality and communication. This is group communication theory
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: and good leadership. That's all it is. There is nothing
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: special about this. I have a bunch of books over
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: here that don't cost a thousand dollars. If you want
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: to know about it.
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 3: We're gonna start a saying be quiet, don't give away our.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'll say why. All of the things they
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: cover in this workshop seem relatively harmless, but with what
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: seems like a large percentage of this group's members being
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: on the neuro divergent side of things, it really gives
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: me great pause. And I wonder if this was more
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: harmful than helpful for a lot of these people, Like yes,
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: I mean to us, to you guys, like I know,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: we just laugh. All these things are very easy for
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: but they're not pative urgent, right, But like I feel
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: like they're using this to take advantage those people.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Oh it's rain fair, okay, all right now guys, get ready.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: You know what they say, chill the fuck out. I
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: guess I don't know.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: Oh no, get ready, no matter.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: I would never say that to somebody, by the way,
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: I would never That invalidates how they feel, and I
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: don't like that. So just let me be clear. I'm
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: going for everybody.
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: For those listening on the pod, I'm pouring a glass
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: of wine, not peeing, like I warned you earlier.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know she pulled. She just pulled up to
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 1: the side of a tree and is eating a leaf.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: Now, guys, get ready, because SEAFAR workshops often involve deep
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 3: emotional exploration, vulnerability exercises, and high trust interactions. Okay, some
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 3: former participants have described this as empowering and life changing,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: but others are smart and have raised red flags.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah you're fucking everywhere.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, guys, emotional pressure. Some participants have reported
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 3: feeling socially or psychologically pressured into confronting personal issues, changing
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 3: their life goals, or adopting ea rationalist ideologies without attic
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: wit critical distance.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So, like by red flag, we mean that big bright,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: red fucking tablecloth right over there in that picture. That
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: that kind of a fucking red flag. Like even the
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: woman in the backs wearing a red flag. I mean,
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: it's a red flag. It's a big old red flag.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 3: That is not a safe space.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 2: People do not do it.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 3: Run the other direction.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, run the other Well, don't run too far because
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna go over. And I think that's a far fault.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: And I think it's a far fall for a reason.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: They don't want you leaving.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: They don't want to car for a reason.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, not.
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: No power dynamics.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: As in many immersive retreats, instructors and organizers hold implicit authority.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: Guys.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 3: There have been claims that facilitators encourage leaf changes or
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 3: career career shifts in ways that weren't always transparent or reciprocal.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's not.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: Certain retreats of different types that I've been to, all right.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: The swan ring a bell to anybody. So they also
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: are red flags blurred boundaries, all right. So some of
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: these exercises allegedly involved intense vulnerability right sharing in group settings,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: leading to blurred emotional lines and possible peer pressure to
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: go along with the group's culture, thinking, you know that
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: thing that they just talked about, not to do that
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: group thing thing. Turns out it's actually happening a lot.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: The CFAR staff has openly acknowledged that the workshop serves
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: as a talent filter and incubator for high impact careers
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 2: that I had mentioned earlier, but I think it makes
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: more sense to reviet that right now. And some participants
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: have expressed concerns that the workshops encourage life altering decisions
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: like changing their career paths or living arrangements with strong
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: social reinforcement from organizers and peer So like you come here,
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: you want to live here, You're going to work here.
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 3: They have everything a lot like meontology.
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not a religion, but okay.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: Anyway, all right, So there's also unconventional beliefs, the strong
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: acceptance of ideas that like many world's interpretations, simulation hypotheses, cryonics, polyamory,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: see polyamories where all these cults get in trouble, but
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: an existential risk prioritization can create a sense of ideological
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: and celerity. Then there's also distinct language and jargon terms
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: like epistemic status, up datelessness, beliefting, and instrumental convergence. Can
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: this is giving me a lot of who they make up?
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 2: So many freaking words who knows.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: It's like when you update something lessness and these can
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: all create that's not right, but whatever can it feels
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: like it makes as much sense. Can create high entry
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: barriers and in groups signaling yea, so isola.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: Oh. I was just gonna say, you know, in groups
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: like this this, you see this very often they'll create
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: their own vocabulary, own language because only the people that
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: understand it, right, they're they're better than everyone else because
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: they understand it. And like you guys researching all this
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: ship okay, all of it, it's very hard to understand,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: like they they make this language specifically.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you guys heard that thunder, but wow,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: you heard the thunder. I saw the lightning coming through
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: the window.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: They came through the window. I didn't even see the lightning.
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: I just heard the thunder.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, even didn't miss it.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I disappear. I do not have a four while hat
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: on helmet on should which is what, by the way,
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: which when you are having severe weather or possible tornadoes
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: of a helmet on.
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 1: I thought you were about to say, when you're having sex.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: That was gonna be really funny in my head.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: All right, this is not Sometimes sometimes, oh, my mom's
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: not watching right now. But that's fine.
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: Some people have fun, some people don't. So like the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: language thing, right, is one way to separate and isolate somebody,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: you know, it's that whole Like they go home, they
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 1: talk to their parents, and parents like, what the fuck
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: are you talking about? And then you're like, you don't
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: understand me, and then you get social isolation and a
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: broader culture. So the rationalist EA scene which is sorry, uh,
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: ethical altruism is, but the rationalist e A scene has
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 1: been described by some critics as a self reinforcing bubble
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: you don't say, which can be difficult to critically engage
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: from the inside, very very difficult. Oh is this the wait?
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: Is this?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: Is this the hold on? Is this the is this
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 1: the lamma ramp?
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, I'm gonna change channel my enter terry because
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: terry is which I love. That is not I freaking
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: love you and your rants. Give me a rant, girl,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: I'm going to you before the lightning is like, you're done.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: Watch the power is gonna go out right.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: In the middle of a ration. Don't manifest in the universe.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: Carry gosh, geez, use some social rationalization.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I did not use my Murphy jiu jitsu.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: All right, yes, you guys, Honestly, this whole organization gives
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: me very bad vibes. Okay, the whole We're going to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 2: Save the World mission, which already makes people feel special. Okay,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: then you have to be screened to get into these workshops.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 2: So if you made it, that makes you extra special. Right,
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: And we're dealing with a lot of members who are
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: extremely gifted, like extremely gifted, extremely intelligent, which already puts
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: them in a very small group of intellectually superior people.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: All right, so they are now three times special. Okay.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: That is never good when you're going into a group
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: and you're.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: You're special, because not good.
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 2: Run away, run away. Then you pay thirty nine to
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: learn how to think correctly, I guess. I mean, if
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: you're if you're really dropping that kind of money, it
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: seems like you're probably going to stick around with whatever
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 2: they tell you, right, and you're going to find yourself.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: And it's not cost fallacy. Right, you just meant four grand.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: You're not going to say, oh, this doesn't make sense
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: to me. You just get four like any person is
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: going to to think that exactly all of the time, right,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: And we know that many people were living in Squalor
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: and these weird rationalist groups that Gwynn had to look
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 2: at that lightning. Oh my goodness, Wow you're that Oh
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: we did you guys?
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's under that might that might be?
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: I told you my MIC's literally picks of everage that.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: But okay, so we know a lot of people are
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: living in Squalor and these rationalist group homes that they
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: talk about talk people into living in right, and many
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 2: of those people aside from the Zizzians Zizians aside, Okay,
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: we're having mental fucking breakdowns, drug problems, criminal behavior, and
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: self harm who are all involved with this group. Okay,
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: once you start, once numbers start adding up, you really
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 2: have to take an internal look of what you're doing here.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 2: And honestly, I think more harm than good has come
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: out of this organization. That's my personal opinion. But what
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: I agree with you, you know, and this is not saying, however,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: that I agree with any of the upcoming upcoming claims
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: that Zizz and company are gonna put out there, you guys, okay,
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: because they go to battle with c far as we're
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: about to get into. But you know, like with the
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 2: exception of Murray cy Far paying out blackmail one time
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: that we'll get into that, but you know, I just
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like, you know, when Anna Solomon said, oh,
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: we didn't know, we didn't know that this was going
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: to turn out into a cold how did that happen?
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: Like, are you guys serious?
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Serious?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah? They got they got?
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 2: Really is it Haling? I think yeah, I think that's Hale.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: I can't see because it's but yeah, that's hal.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: This is gonna sound terrible, but they got really lucky
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: with the Zizzyan thing, because what that did was take
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: the spotlight off a sea far and now we're focused
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: on Zizzy and which I get it makes sense, yes,
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: but whoa Like they really pulled that ship out of
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: their hat.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: They got lucky and play in the rain in the hail.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Oh god, please don't let him get hit in the face.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: I don't need him hitting the head here. Does he?
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: Probably he doesn't want this, does he? No? I'm sorry.
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: My son just came out and I was like, I'm live,
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: don't get on camera because I don't. I don't want
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: my son on camera. And he's like, what's what the bike? Mom?
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 1: Tell him? If he was watching he would know. Damn it.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: He's a child firm that is hailing outside right now,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 5: so that's super fun. Yeah no, I'm sorry, but to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 5: me a far sorry, you should not be at all
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 5: fucking surprised what happened?
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 2: And uh, I don't know. I have a lot of
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: questions for It's.
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 3: Okay because now you have to get ready because we
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 3: know more about the M I R I and the
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 3: State FAR groups. Now we are going to get into
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: the drama.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: Yes, I love trauma. Trama.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: I mean I love trauma. Never heard anyone right now? Guys,
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 3: remember an episode two we introduced Anna Solomon, okay, and
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: she was the one who's this claimed helps this leave
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 3: her abusive thesis advisor and suggested to Ziz that shit
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: could be strategically important to saving the world from a I.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: OK I think JT. Are you frozen? Oh my gosh,
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 2: should we lose JT? We've lost j because he's frozen?
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: Book that face.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 3: We need to get a screen shot. Somebody please get
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 3: a screen shot.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: One of our people are doing it. I hope somebody
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: got that doing it right now? Oh my goodness, you guys,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: What happened to our visuals because been havings.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: I apologize for all my reactions to the weather right now.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: I mean they said we're going to have severe storms.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Now that's how it was for me last Thursday, our
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: regular show. Yeah, like somebody does not want us Like no,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: I mean.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: Maybe it's somebody upstairs sending us signals.
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 2: Oh gosh, oh, I owe not so now, guys.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: By early twenty eighteen, Anna begin to get very concerned
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: with Ziz's weird behavior in interactions with other Seafar members.
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, Anna actually tried to convince the joint admissions
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: committee between Mira and Seaphar to not allow Ziz into
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 3: their twenty eighteen month long summer fellowship program.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: However, she was overrolled, which is crazy.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: Which to me. Yeah, but Anna is quoted is saying
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 3: I was viscerally afraid of le Soda in a way
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 3: of never been viscerally afraid of anybody. And Guys, when
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 3: somebody uses the word viscerally, I mean that's that's deep.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean we've heard numerous people talk like outside right,
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 2: they have no connection to Anna Solomon in any way,
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: shape or form. That had been like she's creevious, hit
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 2: like its me more creevy. They give me really not
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: green vibes, like, yeah, I don't know what's what's happening,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 2: but h yeah. They definitely know that.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: Anna was concerned with some of the ideas that Zis
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: talked about during the workshops and with her in private.
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: Girl reread those blogs and props to her for having
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: to sit down face to face and listen to her. Right, yeah,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I mean what concerned her was this's theories on una
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 3: hemispheric sleep.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 2: Girls.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: I'm still confused with that, okay, which in the last
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: episode we learned Gwyn kind of created. Guys, I've tried
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: this week to let half of my brain sleep and
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 3: the other half function, and let me tell.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: You it didn't work. Are you not a dolphin, Terry?
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: I apparently am.
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: Not a dolphin. I love dolphins, but I'm not one.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: Now, if you don't remember, they believe that humans can
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: split their consciousness between two sides of the brain, allowing
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 3: one side to sleep while the other is awake. Now,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: I can tell you the only time I've ever done
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: that is when I took ambient I thought I was sleeping,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 3: but I was really up putting my jewelry in the
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: cat's litter box for my husband to fine when he
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 3: did the litter.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: The ambient is no joke, y'ah, but it does.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: Joe sleep on it. But you're really awake now, if
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 3: that's not out landish enough. Ziz also believes these two
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: sides of the brain are male and female and need
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: to kill each other, and that they may be good,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: evil or both.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: I mean goodness. Oh, JT's back. Welcome back, JT. He's back.
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: I got the sleigh show.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: Don't I blew a breaker?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: You blew a breaker? Oh my goodness, you're not even
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 2: getting the bad weathers till tomorrow. It's the tin toil.
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 3: Huts because you turn the ac on.
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: That's exactly what it was too.
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 2: You turn the ac.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: Handle. That a little better.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: But here we are, okay, lady and grady lady, and
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Grace says her ex she's ambient, and he would sleep eat.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: I would sleep eat, And then I tried lunesta. Let's
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: just say I was watering the front yard at two
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: am in my birthday suit, Oh my goodness.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: And we have cameras so it was all caught on camera.
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: Monkey Butt loves.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: To tell people that story.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, oh yeah, do you want me to
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: bring back the visuals on my end or I got it.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: We'll work it out.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: We'll see you at.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: You guys.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: We're just going Where are we? Where are we? Where?
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: Sign me?
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: Yes, lady and gray monkey butt everyone, And if anyone
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 3: wants a really funny story about me, if you go
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: to the actual pod. I don't think we have it
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: on YouTube. I'll maybe put it there. We did a
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 3: kid's wine time, yes, and she got to tell things
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: and she was so nice and she thought it was
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: great to share with everyone how the waves took my
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: top down while.
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: We were on spring break and she did not on
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 2: the pod. Kids are the best. Yeah, there's something.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: Well, if she didn't, just another glass than you would have.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: So it's fine.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: I'm sure my son would have stories about me. I
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: am sure I will have to get some as not
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 2: from him, it's not happen.
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: So we just got We got done talking about good
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: evil in both Yes.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: We did. We covered the two hemispheres of the brain
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: and the battle.
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: Of good and evil, so we all understand that it
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: basically boils down the nap roulette with your brain hemispheres
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: kind of the same thing. Ziz believed your left brain
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: might be plotting a moral coup while the right ones
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 1: just trying to finish crosswork. We're going to talk more
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: about this right now. So Anna was very concerned with
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: Zizz's relationship with Gwen, and after the last two episodes,
• 1:28:50
  Speaker 1: I think we all are as well.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: You see, the two of them had agreed that Ziz
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: was quote double good because of course she is. Of
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 1: course she is, of course because and and Gwen, by
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: the way, Gwen was single good, which meant that Gwen
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 1: could not be Yeah, because of course, because of course
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 1: a horse is a horse. Of course, of course Gwen
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 1: could not be fully trusted and end quote had to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 1: be watched carefully. And this is dumpster fire of a blog.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: And and and I say dumpster fire lovingly in the
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: way that you describe a possum screaming in a tuxedo.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: That's because I'm double good, damn it.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: Being is like having a parasitic monster in your head
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: that must be destroyed at all costs, which which is
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: rich coming from someone whose entire worldview reads like it.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: Use your own adventure book written by Ascension Migraine. I
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: will I will give you one guess whose brain that
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: is one?
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 2: Oh Jesus, A brain Lodge's brain.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, that's what I was thinking.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: I think, I know, I think, I know. I won't
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: say it, but a certain head of a department.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it would explain a lot, especially if it's Anna
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: actually had this to say about the two minds theory
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: in recent interview. She said, quote, suppose that you're young, naive,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: and someone convinces you that you're really two people, and
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 1: one is good and one is sinister. Also, oh, hey, look, good.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 2: Walk Terry. What you're about to pay me four thousand
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: dollars to come to my four and a half day
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: NERD camp? Okay, I know what dark is on the side,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: I just don't know who that other person is?
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: Anakin and then obi wan Okay, Anakin is Darth Okay, spoilers,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: I know the night that I'm there, not that that's
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: for sure. Uh listen. Also, so okay, let me let
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: me start this again. Suppose that you're young and naive
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 1: and someone convinces you that you're really two people, and
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: one is good and one is sinister. Also that the
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: world depends on you doing good stuff. That's a pretty
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: powerful setup for manipulation, to which Ziz said, Doug Heron,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: that's the point.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: Okay, guys, these people give me a headache, and y'all
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 3: are hurting my feelings. But I have to say, I
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: know I saw Star Wars E star Trek sing. That
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 3: is not what that guy look like.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 2: He was different.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: Is there like an original back for the old people
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 3: and then a new one for you youngsters?
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: Well Vader minus the one part where do you guys
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: hear elbow screaming in the other room. Why it's not
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: the same.
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: Oh no, oh no, you have summoned the angry elbow
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: feats Jesus Harry, Harry.
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: It's okay.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to google because that is not who
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: I remember in the show I saw, but they had
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 3: the little ewalkie things in it.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: Listen. I was feeling really bad about my Wikipedia summary
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: comment earlier. Don't make it true. Do not go watch
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: the video. I don't watch.
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 3: Skywalker was Harrison Ford.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: Jerry, Terry, you're saying right now, he's on so lonely.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 2: I need help, you know, I love you, Terry.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: Hey, you know you know those double h just stop
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 1: while you're behind You know that that time, those times
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 1: that you tell him that this is one of those moments.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: I am rolling a D twenty on shame and I
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 1: quit here.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: People.
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: I'm researching because there apparently has been a change or
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: something because the guy it was what is this guy's name?
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: I don't know how to share my screen.
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 2: Darth Vader because you always you only saw Darth Vader
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 2: like without his mask. He's like an old man with
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: like burns all over his face, like no fucking hairy.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 1: Okay, A long long time ago in a galaxy far
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: fucking away. That's when that happened.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: So he was actually hot when he was younger.
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 2: Three, it's my favorite, to be quite honest, I think
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: it's the best start. Okay, I am going to say
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: hate comments.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: For I will.
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 3: Watching these movies and understand how many is there? Three?
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 2: Oh? She's no, so many?
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: But terry.
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 2: Okay, never mind, I'm out, cap out, tap out, gonna
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: give us a whole bunch of fucking hate comments for
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: me if I'll say this, but you know what before
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: Star Wars.
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay, I I am open to being edumacated.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: Somebody clipped this, please, somebody clip this.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna drink more and shut our meeting tomorrow night
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 2: that we always have on Mondays. It's just gonna be
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: us talking about Star Wars. We're like, forget about.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: About We're blaming it on the twenty percent alcohol content one,
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: which is oh.
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: My god, I broke al both feet, Will feat.
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 1: Hey, he needs to be in perfect condition this week.
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: You can't break him.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: Okay, What do I need to watch so that I
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: can redeem myself? What's the one show I can watch?
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: Quick? You'll talk about it tomorrow?
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: It you haven't watched Star Wars, you haven't watched Game
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: of Wrong? Harry Potter? What are you doing with your life? Erry?
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 2: Where can I get the cliff notes? I got you,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: I got.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Just send me the cliff notes and I will read those.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 2: Now back to the quote that JT just said about
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: Anna Solomon about how you know all this you know,
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: manipulation going on here? I mean she's not wrong, but
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: also like really, Anna, really, Okay, it seems that you
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: have people signing up for these things that they're probably
• 1:35:56
  Speaker 2: susceptible to manipulation too, But you know, what are they
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: gonna do?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: All right? So, so at this twenty eighteen see far
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: fellowship program. Instead of attending sessions on math and computers,
• 1:36:13
  Speaker 1: Ziz would pull people aside to pitch ideas and engage
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 1: in intense conversations, and begin frequently insisting that Mary should
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: use the quote hemisphere theory as a rubric for whom
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 1: to hire. They might as well use a buzzpeed quiz.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 2: Can you matchine it? Being like, yeah, all right, what
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess maybe it would fit into their
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: weird thing. I don't know.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait for it, wait for it.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: You need listen.
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, coming closer, closer.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 2: We need to use this.
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: We need to use this unlimited power.
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: Is like, you guys are fucking nerds.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: Cut it out. We are.
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 2: We are.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 3: We're just bizarre.
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: We're nerds, but we're not as bizarre as people.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: I'm a nerd too, but I'm not that kind of nerd.
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: I still play Pokemon to you. No, okay, I'm still
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: a nerd.
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, elbow feet they are they're not just vegan. Okay,
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 2: they are. They are vegan because I feel like they
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 2: not fair.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: They let us.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're insufferable, but yes, okay. So Anna said she
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: was unwilling to recommend to maray that they used as
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: this psychological theory and would not advocate for hiring hirings
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: is As Anna and other FAR staff became more concerned
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: with Ziz's behavior, including what she said was a fixation
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 2: on discussing apocalyptic events. Anna stopped inviting this to see
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 2: FAR events. Can't blame her to be quiet, freaking honest.
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 2: We read her blog, you, guys, we read her blog
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 2: the last two episodes. If you haven't listened to it yet,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: please go do that. So Anna stopped inviting this to
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 2: see FAR events, which of course handles gracefully.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: Of course, just kidding.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: She certainly does no such thing. She does.
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Wait a minute, you're kidding, because she
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: is good good, So she's good good. I would assume
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 3: she was very graceful and told them, you know what,
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 3: thank you for allowing me to spend some time here,
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 3: and guys, I wish you all the best in your
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: future endeavors.
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: Let me put this into a a a pop culture reference,
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: the whole are you a good witch? Or about which
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: she's a fucking crazy witch. That's what she is.
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: So she's crazy. So instead Ziz revolted, Of course she
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 2: did after realizing she could not consolidate power and influence
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: within Murray, and she began using her theory of hemispheres
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: to entice and manipulate a number of smart, mostly I'm sorry,
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 2: mostly neurodive vergent trans women who were extremely vulnerable and isolated.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: Of course she does, that's m sorry.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: Go ahead as one does, as one does. I listened.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: It's just like you know, let let me, let me
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 1: just let me say. Something has changed within me, something
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: is not the same. I'm through with sipping decaf. It's
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: time to ride the train of fame. Too late, It's
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: gone too long. It's time to try defind zizzity.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 6: I think, how cry because look it's been arty, Okay,
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 6: I'm like, could you stop please?
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 2: Zin does not deserve wicked parody.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: I think they you are being very disgraceful to Wicked
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: and I'm trying really hard to not fire you right now.
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: I've already been fired. I've fired myself now.
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: In court records, Zi explained her version of the riffs
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 2: you guys. She says she found a corruption among the rationalists,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: particularly in how the community responded to Meaganism, as well
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 2: as paying out blackmail money over accusations of statutory rape
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 2: the way, you guys, they did do that, they did
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: admit to that, but it was also years before Ziz
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: ever came into the picture picture, so she's like bringing
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: up old shit. Ziz also leveled other more serious allegations
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: against s Far, but provided no evidence. She also tried
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 2: to warn donors away without success, before coming up with
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: a more drastic play you guys, Oh boy, what do
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: y'all think? Zez came up with you guys, it's.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: Not good because whatever you think, it's not that.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 2: It's not. I realized I was dropping too many f
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: BOMs and Chad, we all are.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 3: They're all dressing at me. It's okay, I'm good. I
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 3: can take it.
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 2: No no.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: With all of their erratic behavior and accusations towards Mary
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: C Far, staff and others, Ziz and Gwen were asked
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 1: not to attend the twenty nineteen Mary see Far Alumni
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 1: Weekend retreat in Sonoma County, California. What Great. The duo
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 1: was very unhappy with the news, because you see the
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: Sea Far Alumni reunion is one of the largest annual
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 1: gatherings of the rationalist community. Attendees are invited to give
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 1: talks on any subject for a few days, you know. Gwen,
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 1: according to her own blog, said that she had spent
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: several weeks preparing a series of talks and discussion groups
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 1: that she thought would have the best chance of communicating
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: base information, how to perceive deep aspects of their own
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: and other psychologies and ethics, and how to escape traps
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 1: like the Bay Area housing market. I mean by a boat.
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 3: I lived in the Bay Area. I don't know what
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 3: that trap is, because I guess we we didn't find
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: those traps.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: But wait a minute, what I wouldn't give all right?
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: I mean they didn't speak this year, but I think
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 2: they spoke previous years. What I would not give for
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: video evidence of them speaking out one of these events?
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, If anybody has that, they send it
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 2: to me.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: Somewhere.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: If you do, we might even be willing to blow
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: out people's faces and show it and pay you for it.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: I think I'll just show it how it is and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: was as God intended. So they decided that they were
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 1: not going to be silenced, as you can imagine and decide.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: You know, it's worrisome now because at this point that sentence,
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: the part of the sentence that I just read makes
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: perfect sense. That's how much I feel like now understands this,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: and that is very frightening. Tara. I don't like it.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: I don't like that.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 2: I'm scary. I'm scared.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 1: Okay, So they were not gonna I protest the alumni event.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 1: Ziz would later tell a judge she hatched the idea
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 1: to damage fundraising for Sefar, saying quote, I would end
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 1: this dangerous organization by financially starving it. Yeah, maybe it's
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Zizz that's building the nest in my my ac unit.
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: She's hatching. She's hatching. So they managed to recruit a
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 1: whole two people to protest alongside them. I hope I
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: delivered that appropriately. I don't know, but it was Emma
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: Borhanian and Somni a ka Alexander Latham. Now they had
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: also planned good.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: God, curls are amazing.
• 1:45:18
  Speaker 2: Agreed.
• 1:45:19
  Speaker 1: Sorry, then there's the unifomber so uh they wanted to
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: protest alongside Gwen had she been allowed to attend the
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 1: career anyways, how embarrassing for them a whole four people.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: But before we get into the protest, we want to
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: give a quick background for these two as they are
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: both very important to the overall story.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 3: I am offended that you laughed at them because they
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 3: can only find two people to join them. I mean,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 3: it could have been just the two of them.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 1: It could have well, I mean, thinking about it now,
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: it was eight people because they each have two hemispheres.
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: As more impressive. Now, Oh my goodness. Okay, all right,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: let's go into these two people real quick. We're just
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: gonna make a little sidebar. Okay. So first I want
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 2: to talk about Imma Borhanian. So, Imma Borhanian was born
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 2: a mere dean.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 2: We've argued all day. How to say I pronounced this? Yeah,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: that's what I said. She was raised in the research
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: triangle of North Carolina. Oh look at that, guys, a
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: tie to North Carolina like we had in the very
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: first episode Papel Hill. Remember that is Chappelle Hill, Yes,
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: Chappelle Hill. For for Terry over here, it is Chappelle
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 2: because I've been there, like Taj. Yeah. Okay. So to
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 2: continue the trend in this group, she exhibited brilliant intelligence
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: as a child, you guys, Oh my gosh. She started
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 2: computer programming in sixth grade. In having she was she
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 2: was diagnosed with Aspergers early in life. Well, we don't
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: call it that now. We call it the autism spectrum.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: But with her age, it was Asperger's at the time.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: But she is on the spectrum right. As a teenager,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: Brahani would scour Google's code and identify mistakes for which
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: the company would send her money.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: And at a certain point it starts to get less
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: impressive impressive and quickly becomes the world's nerdiest form of
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: bounty hunting, like Boba Fette of Silicon Valley. This is
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: the way.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: So you see my top for tonight, my wine glass,
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: I write these things for you guys.
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 3: I think it's kind of cool that she did that
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: because I once had an h R software company. They
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 3: paid me to break the software before they released it,
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 3: so I got in there and found the bugs. So
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: I think that gives me back my nerd credibility, right
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 3: all right there?
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Software nerd software? Uh yeah, yeah, I think it's are
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 1: you a Zizian?
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 2: I might be because they might think I'm more special
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 2: than you. She is not eating algae. JT. Get out
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: of here. She's not eating algae and yeast. Come on.
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: We had that conversation on Friday I'm not sure anymore.
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 3: I've tried once what I've tried algae once in San Francisco.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: Wait, wait, Sarah said, Harry.
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: They sell them in these little bar, little nugget things
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: down in Chinatown, and you go to that area and
• 1:49:07
  Speaker 3: you can try it. It's very salty, it's very They
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: like freeze dry it kind of and make it. It
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 3: almost looks like something I would feed Jasper.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: I used to eat seaweed out of the ocean over
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 1: a fire. Yeah.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the more you know, I live in Ohio in lanes,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: it's known.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, and like Lady and Gray said, I did
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: eat tongue.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, Tara, Cincinnati has chili.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: We do. We have chili spaghetti. Thank you guys all
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: very much. You're welcome for our great gifts. Chilly spaghetti. Yes,
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 2: I just learned that other people don't. Well, okay, when
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 2: you guys are in Ohio come July. By the way,
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: if you guys didn't know their live show's coming on,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: they're going to be in Ohio in July. But when
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: you're here, guess what we're doing.
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: We've gotten out of Ohio. We get chili spaghetti and
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: Jim Jordan. We gotta take what we can get, my
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 1: friend gotta take.
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 2: You got eight fucking astronauts. Bro, we walked on the moon.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Oh that's right.
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 2: That's because they wanted to get away from Ohio. Hey
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 2: nailed it. They brought the world Windy's I love me
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 2: a good Frosty, So you know what, You're welcome.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: I can do that.
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: And they brought us Tara exactly exactly.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 2: I am perfectly sold.
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: Brought you me too. So even it it's bad, they
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: brought you too, It's all good. See. That's why I
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: feel like I can make for to Ohio.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: That's all you know, all right? Anyway, back to the story,
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 2: you guys, as we digress. Anyway, So Emma graduated from
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 2: high school in two thousand and nine and attended University
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 2: of North Carolina, Greensboro, transitioning to female. Sorry, I'm supposed
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: to work things at the same time, and I'm.
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 3: Not doing the job.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 2: She was transitioning to female at the age of twenty one.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: In twenty fifteen, Boranian secured a job as an engineer
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: at Google in Mountain View, California. She later became disillusioned
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 2: with Google, telling her family that the company was corrupt.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 2: She grew concerned about the threat of AI and started
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 2: spending time with the Mary Community in Berkeley, to which
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: she donated twelve thousand dollars. Two dollars does captain says
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: one more clique? Oh oh, I don't know what I did. Sorry,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 2: got it. I don't send Emma all over the states. Here,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: one Mark slays. There isn't one market. We got the
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: little Google eye I know at the.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: The Google God. Okay, we are you said that? Yeah,
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: you're good. I's fine, better than I have ever done,
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 1: can I I just want to say how how concerning
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: or freaky it is to know that the two of us,
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: me and Burhanian Uh were on campus of UNCG at
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: the same time. No, yes, I was there from thirteen
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: or from eleven to thirteen, definitely there at the same time. Wow,
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: to think, you know, with the class that I taught,
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 1: which all freshmen took, there was a huge chance that
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: she could have ended up in it. She wasn't. But
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: it's a wild thought all around. And I'm not very
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: comfortable with how many or how few degrees of separation
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: there now are between us.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 2: That is wild.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just say that is creepy as shit.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: I I I mean, yep, and it's I mean, it's
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: possible that I ran into her for all I know.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: You know, Oh my god, Kara, it might be a
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: clause it ziz I think so.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: Maybe I started it. Maybe maybe I ams is.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 3: Now we're gonna get into somny. Okay was born Alexander
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: Jeffrey let Them and grew up in Cardiff by the Sea, California,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: which is a beach community between la and San Diego. Guys,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: it's also a little wealthy, just to let you guys know.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 3: She grew up with two sisters, one of whom wrote
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: this about gender within their family. Oh boy, in my
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: early years, I was a girly girl, Alex was a
• 1:53:51
  Speaker 3: crafty boy scout boy, and Lauren was the infant.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: Now alex Wear's dress.
• 1:54:03
  Speaker 3: Is more often than I do, her hair longer than mine,
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: her legs are shaved smooth, and mine remained to hurry
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 3: up until I have a date. Question, how much does
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: acting feminine have to do with being female?
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, I get it. I don't want to show
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 2: you I'm wearing a dress. I'm not even going to
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: show you, guys, my wings right now.
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 3: But so Sunday studied mathematics at UCLA and UC Berkeley,
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 3: eventually identifying as a female and falling in with the
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 3: rational rationalist crowd in the Bay Area.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: Oh, somny, how I wish you mean at her choices? Yeah,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: it's very cool.
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 3: And I made her a Southern girl, you.
• 1:54:56
  Speaker 2: Did, even though she's from California. But yes, good job.
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 1: Southern California.
• 1:55:03
  Speaker 2: So you write at southern, it was southern California. Guys,
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 2: it was so cow.
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 1: I know my house, she knows her cols. Okay, So,
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 1: now that we know more about the two of them,
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 1: let's get back to the protest. November fifteenth, nineteen, the
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 1: day of the retreat, at three point thirty six in
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: the morning, Ziz sent out a mass email to all
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 1: Sea Far and Mary members, and yes, all but two
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 1: of the links within the email led to her own blog.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 1: Of course she did, of course, and yes, not even ready. No,
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 1: I feel like this is appropriate. Yes, okay. Mary paid
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 1: out to blackmail over statutory rate, theft of door owner
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 1: funds to receive donors or deceive donors. See far helps
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: cover it up, implemented in part by their president and founder,
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: pushing anti rationality and anti ethics and perpetrating religious abuse
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 1: and using anti transfeminist memes as a tool for gaslighting.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 1: Remember there's like five links in there all to her blog. Yeah,
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 1: this is enough institutional betrayal to make anyone flinch into
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: betraying blindness. But that, along with quote too big to Fail,
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: turns our only hope of survival into the fucking Catholic
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: Church in the first place. Hm, that's uppy. If you
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 1: do not want to die, you need to learn how
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: to escape containment. You need to learn TDT that isn't
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 1: fake or bounded in applicability even when everyone's lying to
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 1: you about it, or the cycle will repeat. Mari and
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 1: far started out as si S excuse me SIAI, an organization,
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: once functional enough to halt and pivot to AI alignment
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 1: from accelerationism, they rotted and this was furthered by choosing
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: preserving the institution over the things that birthed it, the
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: spark of magic in actual actually rationality, thinking better magic
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: enough for eg being able to talk out of an
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 1: AI box. If you do not want to die with
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: this plague consuming our world, then turn your hopes back
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: to the hard to define things that generated these institutions
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: that no longer deserve them. And with that email, she
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 1: links a YouTube video of doctor Jennifer J. Freed called
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 1: Institutional and Interpersonal Betrayal. Yes, he looks.
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I am really concerned because the only magic that
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: I'm aware of that comes out of southern California is
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: this magic, and that would be.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: What.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: Boy, these people are fucking crazy exactly.
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, you know. And I wish you to
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: guys to remember this for the rest of the show. Okay.
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 2: In this email, she says, not once, but twice if
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: you do not want to die? Okay, is it very important?
• 1:58:49
  Speaker 2: This crazy an email she sends at three whatever in
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: the morning. It says, not once, but twice, if you
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 2: do not want to die, It's very very important, very important. Anyway,
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: So later that afternoon, around three ish, okay, SEAFI members
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 2: and children, we're beginning to arrive at the west Minster
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: camp and Conference Center. Let me get a little picture
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 2: or I don't know how things work. Okay. Now, the
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 2: CFR people are not the only group of people at
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: this place that day. Okay, there's also a group of
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 2: elementary school age children. Important, and this conference center is
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: a remote two hundred two hundred acre property. Yeah, it's
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: it's freaking huge, freaking huge place. Okay. It is also
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: around this time that Ziz, Gwyn, Amma and Somny arrived
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: to start there poorly thought out protest. Okay, So the
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: group shows up in three.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 7: Vehicles, okay, guys, vehicles or inn is a small bus,
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 7: the other a box truck, which, as we know is
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 7: at this time probably one of their homes.
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 2: Okay, and of course a red a red toyota previous.
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 1: Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 1: did they drive the previous under the box truck and
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: go through a hole in the roof, through the hole
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: in the floor to get into it? Get it? That's
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: what I want to know.
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: Maybe all right, So now, as you can see from
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: the map at the very bottom here, I don't really
• 2:00:44
  Speaker 2: know how to point. Oh there we are right there.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 2: Oh look at me doing that? Yeah, look at me?
• 2:00:49
  Speaker 2: Go you guys, So right here says the entrance. Right,
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: there's a whole highway that's right here. Anyway, all you
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: need to know is that there is only one way
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: in and one way out of this place.
• 2:01:01
  Speaker 1: Just what just this?
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: Oh where my little Oh that's not good for security.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: So this way here is the only way in and
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: out of this place.
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: It's it's great for security because it's only one way
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 1: in one way out. It's bad if the following happens.
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: So what the business has decide to do? Okay, they
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 2: decide to use their vehicles to block the road. Okay,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: you could enter or leave a trojan for you. Yeah,
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: that one actually made it to like the inside desk
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 2: or something. But anyway, so they they've locked the road
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 2: so no one can leave or enter. Okay, there's also
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 2: if you can see in this map here, only do
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 2: it again. Let me getancy this little blue doubted line. Okay,
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: that's a creek. Okay, there's a crick. There's a crick creek. There, yes,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: a creek. There's a crick there. So even if anybody
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: wanted to get out, they could not, right because there's
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: water and then the road.
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 3: That's why it's bad security to be able to have
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 3: one way in and one way out. You don't have
• 2:02:08
  Speaker 3: an escape.
• 2:02:09
  Speaker 2: Hatch for them. This is big mistake, Emperor.
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: Now, okay, guys, get ready, because then they proceed to
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: get out of the vehicles and all four of them
• 2:02:22
  Speaker 3: are wearing black hooded robes, black gloves, black silicon shoe covers,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 3: and wearing Guy Fawk's anonymous mask.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 1: Icy.
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 3: Two of them were carrying walkie talkies, one was wearing
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: a body camera, and one was carrying pepper spray.
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: It's the silicon shoe covers that get me. Late. Were
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: you going to the bathroom in between your frames of bowling?
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: What the hell were you doing? Why?
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: I don't know, that's a good question. Crazy.
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 3: Now they also came with flyers to pass out to
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 3: really stick it t Mirah and see far. They say
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 3: that Mary has fallen and that Mary paid out to
• 2:03:12
  Speaker 3: black mail using donor fuds. Now, my personal favorite is
• 2:03:17
  Speaker 3: Mary is violating basic principles of friendliness.
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: Thank you by friendliness, I think they're referring to AI friendliness,
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: but like it's so hilarious, but so AI friendliness in
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 2: case you guys forgot, is which means a desire to
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 2: not harm humans, which I also find extremely ironic considering
• 2:03:43
  Speaker 2: the number of humans that they themselves end up harming.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 1: This is this is all really rich coming from a
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: group dressed like the Sith just unionized and started a
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 1: street team like real.
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: A great Now they also accuse Anna Solomon of discriminating
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 3: against trans women in seefar's employment and inclusion and sponsored
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: workshop events, despite trans women being naturally inclined gifted in
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 3: mental tech development.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: Gifted that is, with the zero protest sector mean.
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 2: So true, zero evidence that you're better than anybody, but
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: you want to go ahead and make yourself better than everybody.
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 2: Of course, of course now made up mental tech bullshit.
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 3: But okay, yeah, oh, get ready, because the group's second
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 3: big mistake was not thinking the optics through, so they
• 2:04:47
  Speaker 3: don't follow their own rules of you're supposed to think
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: of everything that could go wrong for it.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: They didn't do it. Now, what would any.
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 3: Rational person, especially in America, think of a group of
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  Speaker 3: four people who roll up block the only way in
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  Speaker 3: and out, are covered in head to toe black and
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 3: wearing these masks are going to do? Okay, I'm gonna
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: tell you, guys, you're gonna think it is not a
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 3: fucking peaceful protest. Okay, this is America, and unfortunately we
• 2:05:24
  Speaker 3: live in a time where mass killings are a regular thing.
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 3: And that's exactly what these conference center people thought was happening.
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 3: And they are I mean, guys, there's kids there. Remember
• 2:05:38
  Speaker 3: there was an elementary school there. What did they think
• 2:05:42
  Speaker 3: these people were going to do?
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, so stupid, so stupid, you.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 3: Would have thought these were men.
• 2:05:51
  Speaker 1: Anyway, go ahead, oh man, look at that school of us.
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 1: Oh Jesus. That really puts it into like perspective there,
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 1: doesn't it. Also, that's a really nice FN school bus.
• 2:06:04
  Speaker 3: That's a nice school bus.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 1: So at around three forty, Sonoma County Sheriff's deputies responded
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: to a report that some sort of religious group had
• 2:06:15
  Speaker 1: descended upon the conference center and that one you know,
• 2:06:19
  Speaker 1: descendant is really kind of giving them a lot of credit,
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 1: and that one of the protesters was carrying a gun.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: Now we know that they didn't have guns, but I
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: can easily see how someone there assumed that they had
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: one or did see one. The staff radio to one
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: another and forced staff and guests to shelter in place.
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: The children were reported to be visually distraught and upset, which,
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: to be fair, I would be two as a grown
• 2:06:46
  Speaker 1: ass adult. And also that that right, that's me right
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: there at you. That's me, and that's me as David
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 1: for sure.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 3: But I mean, guy, I'm sorry, that is totally fair.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: Their Kiri of walkie talkies and pepper spray. A walkie
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 3: talkie you could assume could be a god. I mean,
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: people see cell phones and think they're a goun and
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 3: this is still America. I would assumed the same thing,
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: and I would have got into fight flight yeah, or
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 3: flee yeah.
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 2: I would tell geez, you do the active shooter pod right, Like,
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 2: how many times is it this exact freaking scenario?
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 1: Right? So for sure, well this scenario no, because those
• 2:07:41
  Speaker 1: guys are actually probably better, which is honestly saying something.
• 2:07:45
  Speaker 1: But like you know that those social butterflies are walking
• 2:07:47
  Speaker 1: around with their hands in their pockets, like, and what
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 1: are police to think if they've got their hands in
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 1: their pockets? Who knows?
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: Okay?
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: So the one thing real quick that I find interesting,
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: why did they think they were religious when they're wearing
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: the anonymous mask and possibly carrying a gun religious group?
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: That's a fair point. I don't understand it. I mean,
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 2: we do know that we're all sith lords.
• 2:08:11
  Speaker 1: Have you met the Westboro Baptists?
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: Well, okay, but they're not walking around an anonymous mask.
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you maybe people like saw the
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: flyers and just assume, like Mauricey Farr was a church
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: or something on.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 1: A non denominational Christian group could come with those designs.
• 2:08:29
  Speaker 2: Right as thank you for the five gifts and memberships.
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 2: Thank you. It's a part of you. Right if you
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: just got a membership, make sure you go watch the
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: members only that happened Friday. It's a lot of.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: You.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: You won't regret it, I promise.
• 2:08:49
  Speaker 1: So you.
• 2:08:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, I just have to say it just said the
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: names of who got them. Yes, I want to say,
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: be Tim swim Flippers.
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 2: I love your screen name.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 1: Olive Ruth and Beat Tim's swim Flippers, Andrew c nan
• 2:09:05
  Speaker 1: are and Sharon asp they were all memberships.
• 2:09:09
  Speaker 2: I just saw swim flippers and I like swim Flippers.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: Now, well, if you listen, if you're listening to the
• 2:09:16
  Speaker 1: podcast and you want to become a member, come check
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: us out on YouTube when we're live and you can
• 2:09:20
  Speaker 1: do that. You may get a gift. Who knows. All right,
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 1: So the police, thinking that this could be an active
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: shooter situation, responded heavily. Yes, they shut down Bohemian Highway, which,
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 1: by the way, I said this before the show. I
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 1: really find it hysterical and ironic that they shut down
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 1: the Bohemian Highway considering they're living in box trucks, love
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 1: eboem and they came with a bunch of officers, swat team, helicopters,
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 1: the whole thing. So the police found three of them together.
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 1: I believe it was ziz Gwen and Emma Andsomnia was
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: off by herself. To one surprise, the group didn't cooperate.
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 8: Shocking.
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah. As as a matter of fact, when Soomny was
• 2:10:09
  Speaker 1: ordered to the ground, she complied by doing the following.
• 2:10:13
  Speaker 1: She kicked her legs forward and fell flat on her
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: back and in the police report, the officer described the
• 2:10:21
  Speaker 1: move as quote extremely dramatic.
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: He invited me up to see his etchings.
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 1: They refused to follow orders and began yelling. When they
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 1: were placed in handcuffs. They continued to be verbally and
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 1: physically uncooperative and demanding same gender pat.
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 3: Okay, guys, we this is not a shock to anybody.
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 3: If you've been here before. I am all for dramatics. Okay,
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: I'm all for the dramatics.
• 2:10:55
  Speaker 2: I am here for it.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 3: Let me tell you, when a cop tells you to
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: do something, you shut your mouth, you stop the dramatics,
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: and you do what you're fing told.
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 2: Especially when you have a whole freaking team, like there's
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 2: a thankless amount.
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 3: There, You're going to get your ass shot and killed.
• 2:11:17
  Speaker 3: And it ain't going to be their fault. It's gonna
• 2:11:19
  Speaker 3: be yoels for being stupid.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: Yikes. I don't think now that the right time.
• 2:11:23
  Speaker 1: Guys, like they're just lucky this wasn't in Texas.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: Oh thank god they weren't in Texas because they would
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 3: be d o A.
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: Right, So, you guys, while they were being detained sus course,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: other deputies and SWAP members spread out into the camp
• 2:11:42
  Speaker 2: to find guests and workers and began began evacuating them
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: from the property.
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: Right because they don't they don't know what if they
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 3: had put explosive bombs and get those little pipey things
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 3: around the.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 2: Forest, they have no I remember, this is two hundred acres,
• 2:11:57
  Speaker 2: a two hundred acre proper to you guys, that's fuck
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: ton of acres, Okay, So they begin evacuating from the property.
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: In total, approximately fifty people were evacuated from the property
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: and driven to the Occidental Fire depart which is the
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 2: name of the town by the way, Ocident. What a
• 2:12:14
  Speaker 2: weird time name is it? Occidental.
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 1: Is it not occidental, it's occidental.
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: Whatever, it's so weird either way, how you're saying, So,
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: I don't know if it was occidental. Why didn't they
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: go with ox cheez people. I'm just kidding about that anyway.
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: So they evacuate these people out with a fucking school bus. Okay.
• 2:12:39
  Speaker 2: The swat team systematically searched the area for any weapons
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 2: in bond bombs and found none, thank goodness. Right, the
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: whole ordeal took four hours, okay, a simple freaking little
• 2:12:53
  Speaker 2: protest that these people didn't think. We're people with guys.
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 1: One hour person check out.
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you, Terry, you're growing. So the police
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 2: took the fab four as I like to call them,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: to the Sheriff's department, where they continue to be uncooperative
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: because of course they were and would not fully identify themselves.
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: Oh here here, oh goodness, oh boy, do we have
• 2:13:25
  Speaker 2: all of these lovely mug shots from all four of them? Okay,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: So they were ease arrested and charged with are you
• 2:13:34
  Speaker 2: guys ready for this? Over this stupid fucking protest that
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 2: they did nothing? Grow? They were charged with conspiracy to
• 2:13:40
  Speaker 2: commit a crime one two obstruction three wearing a mask
• 2:13:47
  Speaker 2: for an unlawful purpose. Four trespassing because remember this is
• 2:13:52
  Speaker 2: private frigging property, you guys, you think they'd be smart
• 2:13:55
  Speaker 2: enough to figure that out? And five, oh wait, we
• 2:13:58
  Speaker 2: got to more. Five will full cruelty to a child.
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 2: I cannot believe they did not get like eighteen counts
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: of that. Okay, agree? And false imprisonment because that's right,
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 2: there's only one entrance and exit out of the hall
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: fricking place.
• 2:14:14
  Speaker 1: Okay, calling I just want to go back to the
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 1: beginning of that part. Calling them the Fab four is
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 1: like calling a traffic cone panic attack, and then auro
• 2:14:22
  Speaker 1: virus a boy band. I don't not.
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 3: Okay, Well, well, my biggest question is is it is
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: wearing a mask for a lawful purpose is a real thing?
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 1: Because I have not heard of that in a lot
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 1: of states.
• 2:14:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's for like bank robberies and things
• 2:14:42
  Speaker 2: like that. Like if you're trying to conceal your identity,
• 2:14:45
  Speaker 2: that means you ruption ne farious purposes. I'm not saying
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 2: I agree with that, but like whatever.
• 2:14:50
  Speaker 1: That's why there's an age limit on masks during Halloween.
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 2: What what are you talking about?
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 3: Jacked up states?
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about there's an age on that.
• 2:15:00
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about?
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 1: Hold on, is this a real, real life this law
• 2:15:08
  Speaker 1: that only a certain age group can participate in that
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: kind of thing. But it's okay, continue some weird Virginia ship.
• 2:15:13
  Speaker 3: You're go need to fill me in on you Just
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 3: keep talking and I'm gonna google that.
• 2:15:16
  Speaker 2: Okay. So, once in custody, okay, the quad squad gave
• 2:15:22
  Speaker 2: various accounts of torture at the hands of responding deputies. Okay.
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 2: So Ziz says that her clothes were cut off her
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 2: body and she was thrown into a padded suicide cell. Hi.
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 1: Yes, welcome to the Deluxe Cult Leader Detox Package. We
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 1: start with the Wardrobe Malfunction Special and follow it up
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 1: with the Bouncy Room of Self Reflection.
• 2:15:49
  Speaker 2: And I would like to believe her that this is
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: all them you know doing. I have a whole weight
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: ace for you all. Yes, tell us Terry.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: Only in the State of Virginia, eighteen dot two, Dash
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 3: four to two prohibits anyone over sixteen from wearing a
• 2:16:07
  Speaker 3: mask with the intent to consile their identity in public space.
• 2:16:11
  Speaker 3: There's are private property without written permission of the property owner.
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: Why you got a lot of proud boys here, so
• 2:16:18
  Speaker 1: I'm still okay with it.
• 2:16:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, I just didn't know that was a thing.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 2: Wine to those that are just listening.
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 1: Sorry, I applied it to across the world, my bads.
• 2:16:31
  Speaker 3: No, I mean I but in California they got because
• 2:16:34
  Speaker 3: they were wearing it for something unlawful.
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's a I would imagine California. It's
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 1: not the age, it's not the date, it's not the holiday.
• 2:16:44
  Speaker 1: It's like literally what you're wearing it for, which was
• 2:16:46
  Speaker 1: so they couldn't tell who you were something. It's probably
• 2:16:50
  Speaker 1: like a secondary charge that you can have if they're
• 2:16:53
  Speaker 1: wearing something.
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: I mean, I imagine in California with plus sic surgery,
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: it probably wouldn't be a good luck because everybody's wearing
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: a masks. Sorry I went there, but it's.
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 3: So true, all the plastic I would get ready to say,
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 3: women put on mask every day when we put on
• 2:17:10
  Speaker 3: our makeup.
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 2:17:12
  Speaker 1: Let me get out my burn book because we just
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 1: got a we just got one.
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: By the way, weather update for anyone interested, it seems
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 2: like the severe weather has passed through my area. And
• 2:17:22
  Speaker 2: I did not always power or have any nyns.
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 1: So update, I blew my own yeah.
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 2: Right, JT. Somehow power shut off, but I did not
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 2: after like you clarified that. All right, So back to
• 2:17:37
  Speaker 2: these guys, right, okay. So Emma was released on fifty
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars bail the next day and within days, like
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: four days, all four were bailed out. Was Zizzu's parents
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 2: paying her bond? And I would just like to say, money, vampire, anyone.
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 1: Love me? I need.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: Wow mummy, And they paid it.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 1: I love how she's still wearing a helmet. I told you.
• 2:18:13
  Speaker 2: Anyway, So she told her parents are I'm sorry she
• 2:18:16
  Speaker 2: said that her parents told her to never talk to
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 2: her friends again. Spoiler alert, She does no such thing.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 2: Just imagine how different everything we would be talking about
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 2: would be if she had just freaking listened to her parents.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 2: I mean, granted, she's more the problem in my opinion
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 2: than the other people, but like, seriously, everything would have
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 2: been different. Yeah you know. Oh look, here's a picture
• 2:18:41
  Speaker 2: of normals. Is just looking on normal and they're happy.
• 2:18:44
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, Oh she moves.
• 2:18:45
  Speaker 1: That's Oh she moves.
• 2:18:48
  Speaker 2: That is weird and creepy.
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't like that. And look at the cats
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 3: in the background are moving too.
• 2:18:54
  Speaker 2: Oh there Aremie background Amy that she's a little grain amy.
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 2: I don't like this brain tomatoes and lettuce on her
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: deck desk.
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 1: All them. I'm gonna wait, can you be a ve
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 1: need a brain? I don't think you can.
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 2: Oh maybe I'm taking it down because that's creepy as ship. Anyway,
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 2: Soziz and the others would go on to lament about
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: the failed protests and how the police treated them to
• 2:19:26
  Speaker 2: anyone that would listen. According to court records, this is
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: Whatziz I had to say, I'm not trying to do
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: two things at one time. Oh that's not the right one. Yeah, okay,
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: you do that. So this goes on to say, sure, Terry.
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 3: I'm starry getting rep I think a miss doesn't like
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 3: the fact that we changed her name because now we
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 3: have a misdemeanor popping up.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 2: It's part of your split hemispheres, Terry.
• 2:19:59
  Speaker 3: Come on, yeah, this is your first day, thank you, amos.
• 2:20:04
  Speaker 1: This is your first in a box in the river.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 2: All right. So this goes on to say, quote, as
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: time went on, a gloom of guilty, silence and collapse
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 2: illusions settled over the community. I was disappointed to see
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 2: that no more than a small handful of community members
• 2:20:25
  Speaker 2: cided against the organization. I will actually never be able
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: to trust society, even in a limited respect, like trusting
• 2:20:34
  Speaker 2: cops to not torture you from literally doing nothing wrong.
• 2:20:40
  Speaker 2: You guys, she said that in freaking court.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, I mean what I mean?
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 3: They did nothing wrong, you guys, nothing wrong, nothing even
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: the law says otherwise. Okay, and guys, and never mind
• 2:21:02
  Speaker 3: the poor children, almost like traumaties right here, Yeah, because
• 2:21:09
  Speaker 3: you were all too busy being the main characters.
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: And guys.
• 2:21:15
  Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, the four actually proclaimed that
• 2:21:19
  Speaker 3: they were the real victims in all of this, and
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 3: this was a conspiracy between Miriat and see Far, the
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 3: Westminster camp and conference center, and law enforcements to silence
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 3: them and to subject to them to police brutality and torture.
• 2:21:41
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, put us put those tempoil hats back on, y'all.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 2: Let me do that, thank you. Oh wait, I gotta
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: remove my little decorations.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 3: Okay, there we go. I means their hearts now. I
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: am sure each of their lawsure lawyers advise them to
• 2:22:02
  Speaker 3: stay off the internet and refrain from saying anything that
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: may harm their case. And you, guys, when a lawyer
• 2:22:12
  Speaker 3: says that, listen because they are not wrong. No, and
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: you will do yourselfs zero wavers zero. I mean, no
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 3: matter what you have to say, you I can guarantee
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 3: one thousand percent will not make things better. Now, Lucky
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 3: for us, Gwen did exactly what you're not supposed to
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 3: do and wrote about it in her blog. Yeah, would
• 2:22:41
  Speaker 3: you read Gwenn's version of events? But before we do,
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: I have to tell you this made me think of
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 3: Drew Peterson, who didn't listen to his attorneys and he
• 2:22:54
  Speaker 3: went on radio talk shows and talked about his wife's
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 3: monthly cycle.
• 2:23:00
  Speaker 1: Wow, guy, put my wigs in the attic way too quickly.
• 2:23:05
  Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Yeah, my ability to speak
• 2:23:11
  Speaker 1: about the alumni reunion is limited since everything I say
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: on the internet is under police mailance. Un how she
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 1: starts it out, you guys, good stuck. Anna Solomon and
• 2:23:26
  Speaker 1: Elizabeth Garrett had heard of our plans to give these
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 1: talks and knew that we had been discussing our knowledge
• 2:23:33
  Speaker 1: online for months, including that Mary paid out blackmail using
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: donor funds, and that Anna uses people's hope trust in
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 1: Mary Siphar to emotionally abuse them. They chose to ban
• 2:23:45
  Speaker 1: us from Sea Far venues a mere few days before
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 1: the start of the reunion, in violation of their whistleblower policy.
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 1: According to Anna, they called the police in advance to
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 1: get their take on things in case we arrived and
• 2:24:02
  Speaker 1: warned the staff of the venue that was or told
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 1: or the staff of the camp venue that was hosting
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 1: the reunion about us. I don't know what exactly c
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 1: Far told the camp staff, but given Anna's actions before
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 1: and after, I think it's likely that, either by explicit
• 2:24:19
  Speaker 1: content or connotation, they indicated that we would be violent
• 2:24:23
  Speaker 1: when they already had strong evidence to the contrary. Except
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 1: this is an inaccurate description describing the actions of their
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 1: false faces instead of their puppet masters. Sorry, neither, that
• 2:24:40
  Speaker 1: wasn't in there. I just thought i'd put it in there.
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 1: Neither Sea Far nor the camp staff acted as though
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 1: they actually feared violence, either in preparation or while we
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 1: stood talking with the camp staff. See Far communicated to
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 1: the camp staffs urhs a lie to collude on as
• 2:24:58
  Speaker 1: a pretense to island sus and subject just to pull
• 2:25:02
  Speaker 1: police brutality.
• 2:25:06
  Speaker 2: I just want to say Amos Has says she has
• 2:25:09
  Speaker 2: currently taken her ambient and apologizes, and capin another staff
• 2:25:14
  Speaker 2: member Has says that they have taken their night quill,
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 2: and it's going to get weird, weird.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 3: I think we now from here on out, I need
• 2:25:25
  Speaker 3: to take my sleep, bunny.
• 2:25:27
  Speaker 2: I will just say that the last two episodes we
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 2: focused on Sciss's blog exclusively, right, and here we are
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 2: two paragraphs in the Gwinn's blog and it kind of
• 2:25:39
  Speaker 2: makes sense.
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little more it's legible readable.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying what she's saying. It's true because police
• 2:25:47
  Speaker 2: report to say differently, but like, oh my gosh, night
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 2: and day. And remember she said Gwynn is kind of
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: out there and obviously a broke bitch, broke broke bitch mountain,
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: broke bitch mountain. Like look at how it easy that
• 2:26:04
  Speaker 2: is to understand, even if I don't agree. But anyway,
• 2:26:08
  Speaker 2: so she continues on to say when we arrived, a
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 2: staff member called the police and falsely told them that
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 2: we had a gun we didn't, that we were going
• 2:26:20
  Speaker 2: into buildings we weren't, and that they were too afraid
• 2:26:24
  Speaker 2: to get off the phone. Later reports, so there was
• 2:26:27
  Speaker 2: an active shooter with a double bag. None of us
• 2:26:30
  Speaker 2: had a double bag. Police arrived with their guns out
• 2:26:35
  Speaker 2: and we were immediately arrested within about ten minutes it
• 2:26:40
  Speaker 2: was arriving, sorry, after which we were sexually assaulted. In
• 2:26:48
  Speaker 2: my case, I was groped and had my pants pulled
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 2: down and then sat on by an officer in a
• 2:26:54
  Speaker 2: mounting position. Hold on, I have a note here that
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to press something, but I don't have anything
• 2:27:05
  Speaker 2: for that anyway. So two of us were cocked at
• 2:27:09
  Speaker 2: by a group of about a half.
• 2:27:11
  Speaker 9: About a dozen naked after penning his home, cutting off
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 9: our clothes. Ah, I told you it was a man,
• 2:27:21
  Speaker 9: and one had pictures.
• 2:27:23
  Speaker 2: Taken up them front and backed. Did multiple types of
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 2: serious and or permanent medical harm intentionally afflicted upon us,
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 2: including hypothermia and concussion because those are permanent, you guys.
• 2:27:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they are.
• 2:27:41
  Speaker 2: Starved for multiple days.
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 8: I did not eat for five days until bail was posted,
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 8: having been denied vegan food as a bargaining tactic, as
• 2:27:54
  Speaker 8: well as water, sleep, hormones, and medical care.
• 2:27:58
  Speaker 2: Were tortured and were repeatedly denied ability to speak with
• 2:28:03
  Speaker 2: a lawyer. Okay, by the way, when you guys, ask
• 2:28:06
  Speaker 2: for a lawyer, as you should when you're arrested, ask
• 2:28:09
  Speaker 2: for a lawyer. It's going to take me that. Always
• 2:28:13
  Speaker 2: ask for an attorney. Always ask for an attorney.
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 1: But then shut up, shut up.
• 2:28:17
  Speaker 2: It's gonna take some time, all right. First of all,
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 2: the court as to assign you on. You're not going
• 2:28:21
  Speaker 2: to get a lawyer until the court court orders you
• 2:28:25
  Speaker 2: a public attorney. Okay, that's just how it works. Anyway.
• 2:28:29
  Speaker 2: She says, uh, where we were at because oh my gosh. Okay,
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 2: so they were not repeatedly denied ability to speak with
• 2:28:37
  Speaker 2: a lawyer and had hypothermia inflicted on us and our
• 2:28:41
  Speaker 2: clothes cut off. Separate events for asking to speak to
• 2:28:45
  Speaker 2: a lawyer. Side note, guess the undead type of most
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 2: the police be encountered? The police call it in nineteen
• 2:28:55
  Speaker 2: if I recall swat units, an armored car, duh ugs,
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 2: a bomb squad, and a helicopter. From the police report,
• 2:29:04
  Speaker 2: it appears that the police psychologically damage a class of
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 2: school children and blocked a highway for hours. At our arraignment,
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 2: the district attorney's assistant for our case argued for our
• 2:29:19
  Speaker 2: bail to be set at one hundred and sixty thousand
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 2: dollars higher than normal talking about the expenses of a
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 2: swat operation. Every one of the charges is ridiculous, and
• 2:29:32
  Speaker 2: the sheer quantity of due process, constitutional, ethical and more
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: violations is astounding. Therefore, example, trying to charge us with
• 2:29:43
  Speaker 2: child abuse were actions apparently committed by the police officers.
• 2:29:50
  Speaker 2: How about it, you guys.
• 2:29:52
  Speaker 3: I mean, the first thing I want to say, if
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: the police legitimately did those things, that is absolutely wrong. Sure,
• 2:30:08
  Speaker 3: but I don't know if I believe this wackadoodle because
• 2:30:15
  Speaker 3: she's not taking accountability. She says, the police.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 2: Harmed the kids.
• 2:30:23
  Speaker 3: The police didn't show up wearing those funky masks and
• 2:30:26
  Speaker 3: all black clothes.
• 2:30:31
  Speaker 1: Oh, I can't even.
• 2:30:37
  Speaker 3: I have to tell you a miss demeanor, she says.
• 2:30:42
  Speaker 3: I'm actively trying the hemisphere sleep in now slash. It
• 2:30:45
  Speaker 3: don't fucking work.
• 2:30:48
  Speaker 1: So so I just like, I just want to get
• 2:30:53
  Speaker 1: this straight. They survived what sounds like the plot of
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 1: Saw twelve Vegan vengeance, and their first instinct was to
• 2:31:02
  Speaker 1: write a four hundred page run on sentence that somehow
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 1: manages to make war crimes sound like open mic poetry. Night.
• 2:31:10
  Speaker 1: I don't I don't understand, like stop before you get
• 2:31:17
  Speaker 1: continually behind. I don't know.
• 2:31:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, it's just the fact that they didn't really
• 2:31:20
  Speaker 2: think any of this through at all. Like, don't get
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 2: me wrong again, as Terry said, if the police did
• 2:31:25
  Speaker 2: do these things to them, like that's not okay, but like, also,
• 2:31:29
  Speaker 2: you did not think this through one this place, I
• 2:31:32
  Speaker 2: did not all rive it property.
• 2:31:34
  Speaker 3: They're four thousand dollars training. They didn't learn anything exactly.
• 2:31:39
  Speaker 2: No morphage is just so happening here. I know they
• 2:31:42
  Speaker 2: did not utilize. They're a bad commercial for that.
• 2:31:46
  Speaker 1: What a waste of four thousand dollars for them, huh.
• 2:31:49
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just saying like, if I was at
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 2: that place and I had kids, it would not be
• 2:31:53
  Speaker 2: the cops. It sounded to me like, yes, we hear
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 2: all these stories of cops not responding to things appropriately.
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, it does, and of all the true
• 2:32:03
  Speaker 2: crime I've seen an active shooter situate all of that,
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 2: it seems like the police responded appropriately.
• 2:32:10
  Speaker 3: Apps the freaking lutely they did. Because you do not
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 3: know what the black of doodles hid in the forest.
• 2:32:16
  Speaker 3: They're dressed like that, you don't know what they've got
• 2:32:19
  Speaker 3: hidden in those They absolutely responded.
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 2: And like, I get that it was not their intention, right,
• 2:32:25
  Speaker 2: we know what the intention of the group is, but
• 2:32:28
  Speaker 2: like for them to the room, read the country. Knew
• 2:32:32
  Speaker 2: that read the country. And then you're gonna say the
• 2:32:34
  Speaker 2: cops are the bad guys, Like, yeah, you literally dressed up,
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 2: went on the private property, blocked the entrance and exit.
• 2:32:42
  Speaker 2: Are eighteen children there? Get the fuck out? Like are
• 2:32:47
  Speaker 2: you serious right now? Yeah?
• 2:32:51
  Speaker 1: Yes?
• 2:32:52
  Speaker 3: Anyway, Well, on a lighter note before I go on, captain,
• 2:32:58
  Speaker 3: I think has it right? Ziz probably has a double
• 2:33:02
  Speaker 3: ended light sab than I needed that laugh and that visual.
• 2:33:09
  Speaker 2: Wish she was Darth Maul fucking wishes. Now.
• 2:33:14
  Speaker 1: I had a funnier thought in my head with that.
• 2:33:16
  Speaker 1: But that's fine.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 2: It's Darth Maul that has it right, the double ended
• 2:33:19
  Speaker 2: one or is that Kyler Wrint? I think's elbow? Well, okay,
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 2:33:29
  Speaker 3: An alienship has arrived somewhere.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 2:33:33
  Speaker 3: Since the reunion, several individuals who work for see Far
• 2:33:37
  Speaker 3: and l W, as well as a handful of members
• 2:33:41
  Speaker 3: from the community, have responded by devouring us, attempting several
• 2:33:47
  Speaker 3: tackets to discredit us and distract attention from the majority
• 2:33:52
  Speaker 3: of our claims while attempting to refine narratives out of
• 2:33:58
  Speaker 3: false accusations in sinuations written to avoid making claims directly,
• 2:34:05
  Speaker 3: while denying us the ability to respond by banning us
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 3: from places where discussion is happening, trying to frame Ziz
• 2:34:15
  Speaker 3: as violent, low status, broken, creepy, gross uncle style abuser,
• 2:34:23
  Speaker 3: and the rest of us is merely her abuse victims.
• 2:34:26
  Speaker 3: If the shoe fits wear it. The gradient of accusations
• 2:34:31
  Speaker 3: matches the central pattern of and transferm bigotry, such as
• 2:34:37
  Speaker 3: anna used against Ziz at aisfp Twenty eighteen. Several of
• 2:34:44
  Speaker 3: the people creating this narrative are known and tricesim anti A.
• 2:34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what they're.
• 2:34:54
  Speaker 3: Saying, Okay, biggots who are being given a platform while
• 2:34:59
  Speaker 3: Ziz and I have been banned from speaking in many
• 2:35:02
  Speaker 3: of the places where conversations about these topics are occurring.
• 2:35:10
  Speaker 1: I it's interesting how it starts getting less and less
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 1: like reasonable as the thing goes on. It's like she's
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 1: getting more and more and more angry. Also gonna say
• 2:35:20
  Speaker 1: how happy I am? Because this takes me back to
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 1: the transcript, because honestly, for the ship that I've read
• 2:35:26
  Speaker 1: on the transcript, there is nothing as crazy as this,
• 2:35:29
  Speaker 1: and I've read some shit, so.
• 2:35:33
  Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, wow. Yes, I mean, yeah, it sucks
• 2:35:38
  Speaker 2: when you're kind of kicked out of these places that
• 2:35:41
  Speaker 2: you want spent money to be a part of and
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 2: you spend a lot of years in your life a
• 2:35:45
  Speaker 2: part of. Like it's it's not great to feel like
• 2:35:48
  Speaker 2: ostracized from the community, but like it's not already. They're
• 2:35:51
  Speaker 2: accusations that against even the Sea Sea Far people, Like
• 2:35:57
  Speaker 2: it's just the throwing accusations at them, ry accusations against
• 2:36:01
  Speaker 2: the police, against the people that are working there. Like
• 2:36:05
  Speaker 2: can't you just say you had a bad fucking ideas?
• 2:36:08
  Speaker 3: I say, can't they just look in the mirror and
• 2:36:10
  Speaker 3: maybe see the problem is? Then where is that self reflection?
• 2:36:15
  Speaker 1: He's double good? Nope, mm hmmm, I mean I won't.
• 2:36:19
  Speaker 2: Say that zizz is what do they say, quote a
• 2:36:22
  Speaker 2: gross uncle? But when it comes still low set, it's
• 2:36:24
  Speaker 2: broken and creepy. Yeah, numerous people have reported that.
• 2:36:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're just saying all right. So continuing
• 2:36:34
  Speaker 1: continuing on with this blog post, he goes one tactic
• 2:36:37
  Speaker 1: that several people have used in the attempt to silence
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: our message is to erase the agency of the various
• 2:36:43
  Speaker 1: people who choose to speak at the reunion and try
• 2:36:47
  Speaker 1: to build the social reality that it was all Ziz's
• 2:36:50
  Speaker 1: do week, to paint us as mirror people who Ziz
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: whipped up into a frenzy, or or call us this
• 2:36:58
  Speaker 1: is followers, apprentice, Oh, Ziz would love it if they
• 2:37:02
  Speaker 1: were her apprentices, yes, apprentices, Or to talk about the
• 2:37:08
  Speaker 1: opinion of the quote Meeker four, after having only one
• 2:37:12
  Speaker 1: of us express an opinion. People have misattributed my scientific
• 2:37:17
  Speaker 1: discoveries to zizz I e. Debucketing hemispheres, called people who
• 2:37:24
  Speaker 1: agree with us are friends, including people where that is
• 2:37:28
  Speaker 1: nearly the opposite of true, nearly the opposite of truth,
• 2:37:33
  Speaker 1: and people we barely know, and misattributed the authorship of
• 2:37:37
  Speaker 1: the flyers at the reunion.
• 2:37:39
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think before I don't remember which episode it
• 2:37:42
  Speaker 10: was where we talked about how like I think it
• 2:37:45
  Speaker 10: was the first one where all the members of the
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 10: Zizzians would talk about how they had like their own
• 2:37:50
  Speaker 10: agency and was making their own decisions.
• 2:37:53
  Speaker 2: Like here is the prime example, by the way, I
• 2:37:56
  Speaker 2: think it was episode one, but like here is the
• 2:37:58
  Speaker 2: prime example of one of them actually saying that, like, oh, yeah,
• 2:38:03
  Speaker 2: we were all doing this on our agent. No. At
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 2: this point we learned how Ziz was on this fucking
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 2: boat and with people around her.
• 2:38:12
  Speaker 1: Okay, like I mean literally you're pulling up an anchor
• 2:38:16
  Speaker 1: as she's doing this with her hands. Yeah, so Anna,
• 2:38:22
  Speaker 1: Uh this continues on. Anna has repeatedly advised people to
• 2:38:26
  Speaker 1: steal her away from Zizz's and my ideas on the
• 2:38:29
  Speaker 1: basis that we wear black clothing. Hmmm, the clothing of
• 2:38:32
  Speaker 1: our religion Vegan syth whoam stop? Yeah stop one moment.
• 2:38:41
  Speaker 2: Religion better?
• 2:38:44
  Speaker 1: Oh man, imagine how easy lettuce farming could be if
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 1: you were Sith the force wills it and political cluster Vegan.
• 2:38:58
  Speaker 1: Oh you gave me this on her for Vegan and
• 2:39:01
  Speaker 1: Narco transhumanists.
• 2:39:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get job.
• 2:39:05
  Speaker 1: She used this explicitly as one of her justifications for
• 2:39:09
  Speaker 1: advising to exclude Ziz from AISFP twenty eighteen, and in
• 2:39:17
  Speaker 1: Barks Bark SD twice advised people to follow the advice
• 2:39:23
  Speaker 1: of elisers. Oh god, ell oh you know what my
• 2:39:29
  Speaker 1: brain is broken cognitive trope therapy post with respect to Ziz.
• 2:39:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, would you guys be kicking your ound of
• 2:39:39
  Speaker 2: things after what you heard in her live post and
• 2:39:42
  Speaker 2: at this point, I mean, I can't. You guys are
• 2:39:46
  Speaker 2: just serting out crazy shit all the time. No, thank you.
• 2:39:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's literally mean girls.
• 2:39:54
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, it is so now. Gwen was not
• 2:39:59
  Speaker 2: the only one to about her perspective. Oh no, oh no,
• 2:40:03
  Speaker 2: you guys, Sony did as well. A person we have
• 2:40:07
  Speaker 2: not heard from yet. Okay, some me posted some shit
• 2:40:10
  Speaker 2: as well, and oh boy, she probably should not have
• 2:40:14
  Speaker 2: done that. Okay. I'm sure she thought it was going
• 2:40:17
  Speaker 2: to make her seem like some sort of social justice warrior,
• 2:40:20
  Speaker 2: but in my opinion, it does no such thing at all. Okay,
• 2:40:27
  Speaker 2: So you guys prepare yourself for this. Are you ready? Quote.
• 2:40:31
  Speaker 2: I've been forced to the floor while they cut off
• 2:40:33
  Speaker 2: my clothes while I screamed that I didn't consent, and
• 2:40:37
  Speaker 2: gathered cops around to gock at my naked body. I've
• 2:40:41
  Speaker 2: kept awake, lying naked on the hard ground by an
• 2:40:44
  Speaker 2: always on fluorescent light. Two. I've been denied food and
• 2:40:48
  Speaker 2: water as an interrogation technique. I've been chained and dragged
• 2:40:53
  Speaker 2: around a police station with a bag over my head.
• 2:40:56
  Speaker 2: I told them they would have my complaints when they
• 2:40:59
  Speaker 2: took their gun and put a fucking bullet in my skull.
• 2:41:02
  Speaker 2: Fucking skull?
• 2:41:05
  Speaker 1: What here's my favorite? You know this this this is crazy.
• 2:41:12
  Speaker 1: But then I just want to say that earlier captain
• 2:41:14
  Speaker 1: said that she she put this in Google and got
• 2:41:17
  Speaker 1: the lyrics for Natalie and Brulia, and I would like
• 2:41:20
  Speaker 1: to say that Natalie called and she wants her lyrics
• 2:41:23
  Speaker 1: to torn back.
• 2:41:24
  Speaker 2: So yes, and and you know here's the thing, right
• 2:41:28
  Speaker 2: you said that, What did you just say to them?
• 2:41:32
  Speaker 2: And then you want to be like the police are
• 2:41:34
  Speaker 2: cheating me? Then like what are you just saying to them?
• 2:41:38
  Speaker 2: Right fucking now you on his person, They're just trying
• 2:41:43
  Speaker 2: to question you, and you're like, fucking put a bullet
• 2:41:45
  Speaker 2: in my school? Yes, yes, And you're saying victim and
• 2:41:52
  Speaker 2: all this that's crazy. It's crazy to me.
• 2:41:54
  Speaker 1: If she wouldn't have even blamed herself onto the ground,
• 2:41:57
  Speaker 1: they wouldn't find her. So dramatic, totally just like kick
• 2:42:01
  Speaker 1: your legs out and just dreps.
• 2:42:03
  Speaker 2: And you want to know why they threw your ass
• 2:42:04
  Speaker 2: in a fucking suicide cell. Exactly get out of here.
• 2:42:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, And so there we go. They called me a
• 2:42:12
  Speaker 3: man in response to my resistance, even though I saw
• 2:42:16
  Speaker 3: assist woman screaming at them, calling them bitches, as they
• 2:42:20
  Speaker 3: forced her into a neighboring suicide isolation chamber in the
• 2:42:25
  Speaker 3: ill named mental health ward. I don't think it's a
• 2:42:28
  Speaker 3: They said, my life would be so much easier if
• 2:42:32
  Speaker 3: I just answered their questions. I could have a warmer cell.
• 2:42:37
  Speaker 3: Why don't I just answer their questions? I laughed at
• 2:42:41
  Speaker 3: them and so much more abuse. I have a post
• 2:42:45
  Speaker 3: on it soon. And this was just four days of
• 2:42:48
  Speaker 3: contentious torture in prisons, the abject attempt to utterly demoralize
• 2:42:56
  Speaker 3: you and crush your spirit last year.
• 2:43:00
  Speaker 2: And listen, I'll say this right now. You are not
• 2:43:02
  Speaker 2: obligated to answer any police officer's question. Ever. You always
• 2:43:07
  Speaker 2: ask for a lawyer. She did nothing wrong by not
• 2:43:09
  Speaker 2: answered questions. What she did wrong was asking like a
• 2:43:13
  Speaker 2: little bitch about everything. That's okay, that's what she did.
• 2:43:16
  Speaker 2: That's what she's being.
• 2:43:17
  Speaker 3: Disrespectable, an asshole.
• 2:43:20
  Speaker 2: She's been a straight up fucking asshole. It's what she
• 2:43:22
  Speaker 2: was doing. You don't have to answer questions. So many
• 2:43:25
  Speaker 2: I agree that's smart not to do that for newest reasons,
• 2:43:28
  Speaker 2: even if you're innocent. You guys, but some trauma ask
• 2:43:32
  Speaker 2: for a lawyer, But get the fuck out of here
• 2:43:35
  Speaker 2: with this, do use of tortures?
• 2:43:39
  Speaker 1: Get out well, and like at this point, and yes,
• 2:43:44
  Speaker 1: you're correct, you don't have to answer questions any of
• 2:43:46
  Speaker 1: that for sure, But at this point all the police
• 2:43:49
  Speaker 1: have to go on here their actions and their actions
• 2:43:51
  Speaker 1: were terrorists, you know. And so yeah, and then you
• 2:43:55
  Speaker 1: go and say you have your compliance when you put
• 2:43:57
  Speaker 1: a gun, you know what I mean?
• 2:43:58
  Speaker 2: Like, how long was she in prison? She was in
• 2:44:01
  Speaker 2: jail for four days.
• 2:44:04
  Speaker 3: It was jail, not even prison. There's a difference between
• 2:44:08
  Speaker 3: county jail in prison.
• 2:44:10
  Speaker 2: Well, jail sucks more than prison.
• 2:44:12
  Speaker 1: One is one is owned by don knots and the
• 2:44:15
  Speaker 1: other whoever?
• 2:44:19
  Speaker 2: Now, and you wrong, Like I would just say real quick, people,
• 2:44:22
  Speaker 2: like jail time is no joke. Okay, it really is
• 2:44:26
  Speaker 2: no joke. Like they keep the rights on it. Will
• 2:44:29
  Speaker 2: people do have PTSD from being in jail. I am
• 2:44:32
  Speaker 2: not That is not what I am calling bullshit on
• 2:44:35
  Speaker 2: because that's a very real thing. It does not leave you.
• 2:44:40
  Speaker 2: But like she is being so uncooperative and fucking asshole.
• 2:44:45
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like at this point, you've made the
• 2:44:47
  Speaker 2: situation what is already a horrific situation to be in.
• 2:44:51
  Speaker 2: It's a humanizing situation to be in. You've escalated and
• 2:44:55
  Speaker 2: made it a thousand times worse. Yep, okay, let me
• 2:45:00
  Speaker 2: tell you the last of it. Sure, I'm sorry.
• 2:45:03
  Speaker 3: Not a single rationalist system stood up for me or
• 2:45:07
  Speaker 3: was like, if you want to destroy her, you have
• 2:45:10
  Speaker 3: to destroy me too, or any basic gambits of solidarity
• 2:45:15
  Speaker 3: and resisting oppression. I won't forget this.
• 2:45:20
  Speaker 2: Go fuck yourself some Okay. I'm not gonna stick up
• 2:45:23
  Speaker 2: for your ass. I'm not gonna stick off your when
• 2:45:26
  Speaker 2: you're wrong and you're acting a damn fool. That's why
• 2:45:30
  Speaker 2: nobody stood up because you were acting a fucking damn fool.
• 2:45:33
  Speaker 2: It's act treated like a fool exactly like that's crazy
• 2:45:38
  Speaker 2: and like to stick out for me, especially since women,
• 2:45:42
  Speaker 2: fuck yourself.
• 2:45:43
  Speaker 1: It can take.
• 2:45:44
  Speaker 2: I'm eating on air because I'm hungry, Okay.
• 2:45:48
  Speaker 1: The rationalists and cops laughed at us, mocked us, called
• 2:45:53
  Speaker 1: us psychotic, and repealed repeated lies. Well hold on, repeated lies.
• 2:45:57
  Speaker 1: The cops told the press that we're uh, that we
• 2:46:01
  Speaker 1: were incoherent, the same fucking lies. Kelsey Piper tried spinning
• 2:46:07
  Speaker 1: when I criticized her source of babies.
• 2:46:11
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that means, and I have no
• 2:46:13
  Speaker 2: idea what that's supposed to mean.
• 2:46:15
  Speaker 1: And if we don't, nobody does, because I'm pretty.
• 2:46:18
  Speaker 2: Sure I don't understanding. Yeah, I don't understand how the
• 2:46:23
  Speaker 2: source of babies is any different than what we all
• 2:46:26
  Speaker 2: know about the source of babies. But like, okay, I
• 2:46:29
  Speaker 2: mean maybe there's something we don't know.
• 2:46:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 2:46:33
  Speaker 2: You're acting like an asshole saw me.
• 2:46:35
  Speaker 1: They come out of the belly button, and the cops
• 2:46:37
  Speaker 1: glossed that as incomprehensible, just as Kelsey said, my talking
• 2:46:43
  Speaker 1: about Anna Salomon's trans misogyny was incomprehensible. I quickly gained
• 2:46:49
  Speaker 1: knowledge about how incomprehensibility worked, and pretty much everyone pretended
• 2:46:54
  Speaker 1: to believe this.
• 2:46:56
  Speaker 2: I love how she just learned how inc and comprehensively
• 2:47:00
  Speaker 2: ability worked.
• 2:47:01
  Speaker 1: Like what what well for for this case? It's's retained
• 2:47:07
  Speaker 1: criminal defense attorney Dan Kappelovitz, who who was also a vegan,
• 2:47:12
  Speaker 1: by the way, because the group members only would hire
• 2:47:16
  Speaker 1: lawyers that were vegan. He has gone on record saying
• 2:47:19
  Speaker 1: that this was quote a classic case of someone being
• 2:47:22
  Speaker 1: overcharged and falsely accused, and that quote Lesoda seemed like
• 2:47:27
  Speaker 1: a very kind and thoughtful person who cared about animals
• 2:47:30
  Speaker 1: and protested against injustice.
• 2:47:33
  Speaker 2: And I'll agree with the lawyer here with what we
• 2:47:37
  Speaker 2: know of their intentions. Yes, a lot of those charges
• 2:47:41
  Speaker 2: seemed a little bit over the top now that we
• 2:47:43
  Speaker 2: know their true intentions.
• 2:47:45
  Speaker 3: But your intentions. But intentions are not part of the
• 2:47:48
  Speaker 3: law exactly what is perceived, because you can have the
• 2:47:51
  Speaker 3: intent to walk in the store with an empty gun.
• 2:47:54
  Speaker 3: It's not about intent, it's about what's perceived exactly.
• 2:48:00
  Speaker 2: By the way, I look this up, lawless, that's true.
• 2:48:06
  Speaker 1: I love filters. They're great. By the way. Dan Kapelovitz,
• 2:48:11
  Speaker 1: because I looked this up, ran for DA of La
• 2:48:14
  Speaker 1: County in twenty twenty four. He didn't make it through
• 2:48:16
  Speaker 1: the primary because he only received one point two percent
• 2:48:19
  Speaker 1: of the vote, which landed him right at the bottom,
• 2:48:22
  Speaker 1: basically just like Zizzu's vote.
• 2:48:24
  Speaker 2: Caleb, Sorry, I don't have problem Dan, capital of it.
• 2:48:31
  Speaker 2: I don't know you, But that was a very funny joke.
• 2:48:34
  Speaker 1: I think I love throwing things in that nobody's expecting.
• 2:48:38
  Speaker 2: Right, So everyone else got lawyers as well, right this
• 2:48:42
  Speaker 2: as a lawyer, that's this gentleman right here. Everyone else
• 2:48:45
  Speaker 2: got lawyers, right, except forsomny Okay, no, no, no, no,
• 2:48:52
  Speaker 2: she decides that she is going to go pro see
• 2:48:55
  Speaker 2: you guys, that's right, because representing yourself in court is
• 2:49:00
  Speaker 2: always always a great idea. Okay, if you didn't know
• 2:49:05
  Speaker 2: you were bringing the law before this protest, and now
• 2:49:07
  Speaker 2: you want to represent yourself in lag, get out of it.
• 2:49:10
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about.
• 2:49:12
  Speaker 1: It's like doing your own root canal because you saw
• 2:49:14
  Speaker 1: some YouTube videos and you felt confident. You just just know.
• 2:49:19
  Speaker 2: Have a special someone I just put on the screen here,
• 2:49:23
  Speaker 2: frickin' Brooks. Not a good idea. Wait, guys, I mean the.
• 2:49:27
  Speaker 1: Thing that cracks me up is this.
• 2:49:29
  Speaker 3: The ones that are smart, or they're IQ, they test smart.
• 2:49:34
  Speaker 3: They're the ones who think they can do a better job,
• 2:49:36
  Speaker 3: and you would think because they have intelligence, they would
• 2:49:40
  Speaker 3: know not to do it. And that's where the difference
• 2:49:43
  Speaker 3: between common sense and intelligence comes in.
• 2:49:49
  Speaker 2: Listen, representing yourself is never a good idea.
• 2:49:51
  Speaker 3: Not even when you're an attorney. Should you represent yourself?
• 2:49:55
  Speaker 2: Never a good idea?
• 2:49:56
  Speaker 3: Okay, could just stop making and get bigger and closer
• 2:49:59
  Speaker 3: to me.
• 2:50:00
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about.
• 2:50:01
  Speaker 1: I'm not doing an I get bigger.
• 2:50:04
  Speaker 2: It's kidding, he's moving in closer. Oh I just saw that.
• 2:50:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, I don't you try to be asked like me? Bitch,
• 2:50:12
  Speaker 3: don't you like me?
• 2:50:14
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I think that was one of mind control powers. Okay,
• 2:50:17
  Speaker 2: my MANA is very powerful, very powerful.
• 2:50:22
  Speaker 1: As a six foundational member. I just I am in
• 2:50:26
  Speaker 1: awe of your manner.
• 2:50:27
  Speaker 2: Thank you as all should be.
• 2:50:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, you are powerful.
• 2:50:32
  Speaker 2: So in twenty twenty one, Somni filed emotion to disqualify
• 2:50:37
  Speaker 2: the prosecution and three emotions to disqualify the Judge Shelley Aviril,
• 2:50:45
  Speaker 2: mostly based on allegations that Judge Aviril misgendered them at
• 2:50:50
  Speaker 2: a hearing in September of that year. In the following month,
• 2:50:53
  Speaker 2: she would go on to file two more emotions to
• 2:50:56
  Speaker 2: disqualify Avril, claiming that the judge was quote wants to
• 2:51:00
  Speaker 2: destroy everything, especially prioritizing that which is good.
• 2:51:08
  Speaker 1: Moved on to Sarah boone mode.
• 2:51:11
  Speaker 2: Bless her heart. Oh my, oh my, okay, So she
• 2:51:16
  Speaker 2: went on to write, quote, Shelley A. Viril is evil.
• 2:51:21
  Speaker 2: Shelley Avril has read my previous accusations that she is
• 2:51:25
  Speaker 2: evil and has not denied that she is evil. I
• 2:51:30
  Speaker 2: am no man. I will never be a man, no
• 2:51:33
  Speaker 2: matter how much humans like Shelley Averril want to eradicate
• 2:51:38
  Speaker 2: that truth from existence.
• 2:51:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, listen, but that that sucks, Like if that happened,
• 2:51:46
  Speaker 1: I've never I haven't read transcripts, but that sucks. I
• 2:51:49
  Speaker 1: like totally perfect timing on the switch, but also like
• 2:51:57
  Speaker 1: ask for something.
• 2:52:01
  Speaker 2: That's interesting. I mean, yeah, she went about it all
• 2:52:04
  Speaker 2: the wrong way.
• 2:52:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sorry. Even somebody who likes to say
• 2:52:12
  Speaker 3: I get things. I have misgendered someone by accident, and
• 2:52:18
  Speaker 3: I felt like pond scum.
• 2:52:21
  Speaker 2: But it happens.
• 2:52:22
  Speaker 3: But that's not If that person would have handled it
• 2:52:25
  Speaker 3: like that, I would have been like, oh shit, you'd
• 2:52:27
  Speaker 3: be crazy.
• 2:52:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know it's a very interesting you say that, right,
• 2:52:31
  Speaker 2: because the judge did respond to her emotions and acknowledge
• 2:52:36
  Speaker 2: that she had used the wrong title and pronouns for
• 2:52:39
  Speaker 2: lead them several times, all right, noting that it was
• 2:52:41
  Speaker 2: an inadvertent mistake and that she meant no offense right
• 2:52:45
  Speaker 2: so much so that she had she would have the
• 2:52:47
  Speaker 2: court stuff note the correct title in pronounce for each
• 2:52:51
  Speaker 2: defendant in this case. Right, So like she's like trying
• 2:52:54
  Speaker 2: to but like she's trying. She also has to go
• 2:52:58
  Speaker 2: on the law and legal documents, and to be quite honest,
• 2:53:04
  Speaker 2: Forsomny went by legally Alexander Leatham legally the gender male.
• 2:53:10
  Speaker 2: Like I mean, it's a little like it. It's complex,
• 2:53:15
  Speaker 2: It's very complex. But she did apologize and say.
• 2:53:18
  Speaker 3: She took steps to make sure she wouldn't do it again,
• 2:53:22
  Speaker 3: and that to me says she wasn't doing it to
• 2:53:25
  Speaker 3: be disrespectful.
• 2:53:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, like came your kits, Somny, cheez come back. Oh caappain.
• 2:53:33
  Speaker 3: I think that Ambien did get amy and she wasn't
• 2:53:37
  Speaker 3: able to let half of her brain sleep.
• 2:53:40
  Speaker 2: Probably that's okay now, guys.
• 2:53:44
  Speaker 3: A few months later, in April twenty twenty two, Judge
• 2:53:49
  Speaker 3: Christopher Honicksburg was assigned to the case, and at that hearing,
• 2:53:55
  Speaker 3: Somny failed to show up in person because apparently she
• 2:53:59
  Speaker 3: had been bose to COVID now. According to a transcript
• 2:54:04
  Speaker 3: from the hearing, Judge Hosenburgh said, you weren't in court
• 2:54:10
  Speaker 3: the last time we were here. At this point, the
• 2:54:14
  Speaker 3: court is wondering whether the reason you're not coming to
• 2:54:17
  Speaker 3: court is because it's an intentional plan to delay the.
• 2:54:22
  Speaker 1: Case, to which everyone in the courtroom, said duh, Karen.
• 2:54:28
  Speaker 2: It would never JT. It would never obvious.
• 2:54:33
  Speaker 1: That's why I'm not asked to go to court.
• 2:54:36
  Speaker 2: Now leave them told.
• 2:54:38
  Speaker 3: The judge she was repeatedly exposed to COVID because she
• 2:54:42
  Speaker 3: is homeless.
• 2:54:44
  Speaker 2: Now, girl, let's just be honest.
• 2:54:46
  Speaker 3: You willingly live in a box truck on Curtis Lynn's property,
• 2:54:51
  Speaker 3: not paying a single dime in rent at this time,
• 2:54:55
  Speaker 3: So you don't get to play homeless victim card.
• 2:54:58
  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't.
• 2:54:58
  Speaker 3: You just need to go sit down and you guys,
• 2:55:01
  Speaker 3: she has the audacity to say this to the freaking judge, like,
• 2:55:06
  Speaker 3: maybe I'm more exposed than you because you live in
• 2:55:09
  Speaker 3: a house.
• 2:55:11
  Speaker 2: You choose to live in the box truck.
• 2:55:16
  Speaker 1: You know, she is way more likely to get tetanus
• 2:55:22
  Speaker 1: than COVID living there, right fucking wild?
• 2:55:30
  Speaker 3: I mean, and how can you get exposed if you're
• 2:55:32
  Speaker 3: living in a box truck by yourself?
• 2:55:35
  Speaker 1: I just went, I don't know.
• 2:55:39
  Speaker 2: This is a huge spoiler that we won't be getting
• 2:55:41
  Speaker 2: to for a few few episodes. But Whenses and all
• 2:55:44
  Speaker 2: of them were arrested in Maryland recently, like a month ago, right,
• 2:55:49
  Speaker 2: Ziz pulls the whole same bullshit of like, Oh, I'm
• 2:55:53
  Speaker 2: homeless because you're living in your box truck. Okay, you
• 2:55:58
  Speaker 2: land to live. You could live literally anywhere else. You're
• 2:56:01
  Speaker 2: paying fucking thousands of dollars for stupid workshop thousands of
• 2:56:06
  Speaker 2: dollars and fucking airbnbs. You guys are willingly choosing deliver
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 2: your books.
• 2:56:12
  Speaker 1: Arent bonded you out.
• 2:56:16
  Speaker 2: Get out of here. Oh they make me so angry
• 2:56:20
  Speaker 2: for real people that have real fucking problems.
• 2:56:24
  Speaker 3: Oh it gets better.
• 2:56:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So what I'm about to say sounds like JT
• 2:56:29
  Speaker 1: made a joke. This is not JT making a joke.
• 2:56:33
  Speaker 1: Domini's arguments became increasingly incoherent in September of twenty twenty two.
• 2:56:39
  Speaker 1: In that filing, she wrote that she had identified the
• 2:56:42
  Speaker 1: judge and district attorney on her case as the quote
• 2:56:46
  Speaker 1: spiritual incarnations of the impost police officers who kidnapped us
• 2:56:51
  Speaker 1: quote when they were abducting me. I identified my assailant's form,
• 2:56:57
  Speaker 1: or from what I remembered of them, from incarnations, I said, quote,
• 2:57:03
  Speaker 1: I know your face, you are slavers, you are Nazis.
• 2:57:11
  Speaker 3: I mean, is anybody else getting LORI vello vibes here?
• 2:57:16
  Speaker 1: Whoa it alls light dark bad yep.
• 2:57:20
  Speaker 3: I am shocked the judge did not immediately call for
• 2:57:25
  Speaker 3: a fifty one fifty and get a mental check.
• 2:57:28
  Speaker 2: Oh spoilers, girl, it's coming, it's coming.
• 2:57:33
  Speaker 1: Wow, here we go. Get ready. So the same month,
• 2:57:37
  Speaker 1: Omni also requested a change of venue due to quote
• 2:57:40
  Speaker 1: genocidal intent towards transgender women. Quote. This land is outside
• 2:57:45
  Speaker 1: the jurisdiction of the Sonoma Courthouse, just as a woman's
• 2:57:48
  Speaker 1: womb is outside the jurisdiction of a man who raped her.
• 2:57:52
  Speaker 1: Sonoma County is infected with evil spirits who are colluding
• 2:57:56
  Speaker 1: with each other to kill us and silence our vengeful
• 2:57:59
  Speaker 1: souls as we reincarnate in the bodies of indigenous people
• 2:58:03
  Speaker 1: and animals. After that, Judge Honigsburg suspended the criminal proceedings
• 2:58:10
  Speaker 1: Astsomny and ordered a doctor to evaluate her mental competence
• 2:58:15
  Speaker 1: to stand trial. This case remains at a standstill because
• 2:58:20
  Speaker 1: in less than three weeks after that, Soomny would be
• 2:58:23
  Speaker 1: apprehended by law enforcement in a neighboring county, accused this
• 2:58:27
  Speaker 1: time of something much much worse, Oh.
• 2:58:31
  Speaker 2: So much worse. What crazy? How crazy is that? You guys?
• 2:58:38
  Speaker 3: Like, what is she even okay? But if he would
• 2:58:41
  Speaker 3: have done a fifty one fifty. He shall locked her
• 2:58:43
  Speaker 3: ass up in the psych ward and not let her
• 2:58:47
  Speaker 3: back on the streets.
• 2:58:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say at this time, like she is
• 2:58:50
  Speaker 2: out on bail, but she is not that scared right now. Yeah,
• 2:58:54
  Speaker 2: like as we're talking, like not right now, is in
• 2:58:56
  Speaker 2: like twenty twenty five, but I mean like in this story.
• 2:58:59
  Speaker 3: Oh okay for the house.
• 2:59:01
  Speaker 1: She she was afree, I live in Florida. Come at me, bro.
• 2:59:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, no, Lada at the time. And what year is this?
• 2:59:14
  Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen? She she's free making all these christ things? Correct?
• 2:59:21
  Speaker 1: Is he? This is here?
• 2:59:23
  Speaker 2: Welcome? I'm that almost sounds like hummus. I'm very hungry.
• 2:59:29
  Speaker 1: I'm hungry. I am too.
• 2:59:30
  Speaker 2: I just say to cooks me crazy, to be like, oh,
• 2:59:33
  Speaker 2: this is the incarnation of indigenous What are you fucking saying?
• 2:59:38
  Speaker 3: I do love that she said that a woman's womb
• 2:59:44
  Speaker 3: is outside the jurisdiction of a man who raped her.
• 2:59:47
  Speaker 2: She doesn't say that though. She doesn't say that because
• 2:59:50
  Speaker 2: it's not relevant to her. I know what, like you
• 2:59:52
  Speaker 2: does not have to do with the price of tea
• 2:59:54
  Speaker 2: in China, exactly, nothing, nothing, nothing, Oh my light, just
• 3:00:00
  Speaker 2: wanting to be persecuted and pink about everything. It's annoying. Now, wow,
• 3:00:14
  Speaker 2: the Forefast for Furious, I've ran out the clever names
• 3:00:19
  Speaker 2: at this point.
• 3:00:22
  Speaker 3: Gona, Oh my god, sorry as my lights go out
• 3:00:27
  Speaker 3: at eleven.
• 3:00:30
  Speaker 2: Sorry, I had to touch up my breath there. Okay,
• 3:00:33
  Speaker 2: I preferred that so much more frauds and I like that.
• 3:00:39
  Speaker 2: I like, you can thank the lovely um miss for that.
• 3:00:42
  Speaker 2: Um I thought she said thumb miss.
• 3:00:46
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's why I said I wasn't going
• 3:00:50
  Speaker 1: to bring it up on the screen.
• 3:00:52
  Speaker 2: I did, I did it.
• 3:00:53
  Speaker 1: It was.
• 3:00:59
  Speaker 2: A miss. I would never I would anyway, all right,
• 3:01:04
  Speaker 2: public anyway. While these four Fast for Furious were fighting
• 3:01:09
  Speaker 2: their criminal charges in twenty twenty one, they decided that
• 3:01:12
  Speaker 2: they were going to collectively file a federal civil lawsuit
• 3:01:20
  Speaker 2: against Sonoma County, Westminster Woods, and several of the arresting officers.
• 3:01:26
  Speaker 2: Right the group tried to hire attorney Gerald Freeman. This
• 3:01:31
  Speaker 2: guy right here, look at him, look an incredibly casual,
• 3:01:35
  Speaker 2: like look at me, defence, it's very casual. Anyway, say
• 3:01:39
  Speaker 2: you hired this guy because like I know, I'm like,
• 3:01:43
  Speaker 2: could he put it our belt on? Bells hip that
• 3:01:48
  Speaker 2: or untake your shirt.
• 3:01:49
  Speaker 1: Apparently they certainly won't be made out of leather. That's
• 3:01:53
  Speaker 1: for sure, right, that's true.
• 3:01:54
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna gie anyway. So this lawyer, because like then,
• 3:01:59
  Speaker 2: he was also vegan, because again the almost lawyers who
• 3:02:04
  Speaker 2: are vegan because the rest of us are garbage anyway,
• 3:02:09
  Speaker 2: and quote, they wanted somebody who shared their values. In
• 3:02:13
  Speaker 2: a recent interview, he said, these were four kids that
• 3:02:18
  Speaker 2: just struck me as very cohesive, very passionate, and who
• 3:02:23
  Speaker 2: cared about the state of the world and not just themselves.
• 3:02:28
  Speaker 1: Can we get a doctor to evaluate him too?
• 3:02:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's doing best. He is a little worridos best.
• 3:02:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna know.
• 3:02:34
  Speaker 2: This is this the guy's job. He gets paid hundreds
• 3:02:36
  Speaker 2: of dollars an hour to spew this bullshit. Anyway, he
• 3:02:40
  Speaker 2: goes on tens of dollars with these folks. They probably
• 3:02:44
  Speaker 2: never fucking baid him. I bet I was wondering are.
• 3:02:48
  Speaker 3: They paying him well or is he just delusional and
• 3:02:51
  Speaker 3: he's hoping he will get other jobs by doing a
• 3:02:54
  Speaker 3: good job.
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  Speaker 2: For them later. I bet that the four because he
• 3:02:59
  Speaker 2: represents all four of them in the civil lawsuits. So
• 3:03:03
  Speaker 2: I imagine that like the group paid the retainer well,
• 3:03:06
  Speaker 2: though usually for civil law I don't know. I don't know,
• 3:03:09
  Speaker 2: because this is a federal lawsuit. Usually with civil cases,
• 3:03:12
  Speaker 2: the attorney doesn't get anything unless you get paid ba
• 3:03:14
  Speaker 2: blah blah. But I don't think that works in the scenario.
• 3:03:17
  Speaker 2: But I imagine that some of them paid a little
• 3:03:21
  Speaker 2: bit of money but then fucked off as well. Soon learn.
• 3:03:26
  Speaker 2: So he went on to say, quote, they were committed
• 3:03:29
  Speaker 2: to veganism and cared about the relationship between humans and animals.
• 3:03:35
  Speaker 2: This next line, you guys, prepare yourself good. They cared
• 3:03:39
  Speaker 2: about pedophilia and cared about children. They very much were
• 3:03:44
  Speaker 2: believed in what they believed in. They were passionate and
• 3:03:47
  Speaker 2: as far as I saw, non violent.
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  Speaker 1: Do you believe in pedophilia? Do you believe in children?
• 3:03:54
  Speaker 1: Because you can't have both. No.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's the fact that he's they cared about
• 3:03:59
  Speaker 2: pedophilia and cared about what a weird way to fucking
• 3:04:02
  Speaker 2: word that? Right? That does not I mean, that is
• 3:04:04
  Speaker 2: a weird That's not a good way to word that, sir.
• 3:04:11
  Speaker 1: Raising raise do you want ants? Because this is how
• 3:04:15
  Speaker 1: we get ants?
• 3:04:17
  Speaker 2: That says not great? Yeah, And he kept using he
• 3:04:20
  Speaker 2: kept calling them young people as captain just said. Captain
• 3:04:23
  Speaker 2: just said they kept young younglings, which, by the way,
• 3:04:26
  Speaker 2: Anakin kills all the young lings. Yeah, but these these
• 3:04:32
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers are like twenty five, twenty six, twenty eight years
• 3:04:35
  Speaker 2: old this time. Okay.
• 3:04:36
  Speaker 3: I mean they're not kids.
• 3:04:38
  Speaker 2: They're not okay, I meant fair.
• 3:04:41
  Speaker 1: They look like they're thirteen, but that's fine. They're not
• 3:04:44
  Speaker 1: like they are great No, So.
• 3:04:47
  Speaker 3: I mean I can still qualify as a teenager if
• 3:04:50
  Speaker 3: their kids, what can I qualify as a young adult.
• 3:04:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, he's a good lawyer, believe it in your heart,
• 3:04:58
  Speaker 1: and a lawyer says so okay.
• 3:05:00
  Speaker 2: Quote was a singer lawyer quote. It was very blanket.
• 3:05:03
  Speaker 2: If you speak lawyer, you will see that that was
• 3:05:06
  Speaker 2: written nothing. That quote says nothing written well. So. Friedman
• 3:05:12
  Speaker 2: also said that the group was actually protesting over the
• 3:05:16
  Speaker 2: belief that people at the event were engaged in pedophilia,
• 3:05:23
  Speaker 2: what which, By the way, there was nothing nothing about
• 3:05:29
  Speaker 2: pedophilia on the fucking flyers that they had brought to
• 3:05:32
  Speaker 2: hand out on the protest, So I'm going to.
• 3:05:35
  Speaker 1: Call it that. Well, they did say a lack of friendliness,
• 3:05:43
  Speaker 1: but like, I mean, they didn't they didn't.
• 3:05:45
  Speaker 2: Bring that up at all, and now they do, and
• 3:05:47
  Speaker 2: that makes me question that because like literally, of all
• 3:05:49
  Speaker 2: the things that they had complaints about, like, yeah, pedophila
• 3:05:52
  Speaker 2: should be get your number fucking one, because children's are
• 3:05:54
  Speaker 2: children not the most important. Except they said nothing about
• 3:05:58
  Speaker 2: that on the flyers at all.
• 3:06:02
  Speaker 3: So okay, pedophilia, in my opinion, should come again above veganism.
• 3:06:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, me too, that's just me anyway. I mean,
• 3:06:14
  Speaker 2: I believe that's what they told their lawyer anyway, But
• 3:06:17
  Speaker 2: it doesn't check out even Friedman. Friedman says he never
• 3:06:22
  Speaker 2: saw any any evidence to back up any any of
• 3:06:27
  Speaker 2: their claims that they supposedly had evidence on to support
• 3:06:33
  Speaker 2: their release. But but you guys, the case was dismissed
• 3:06:37
  Speaker 2: before it reached the point where such evidence would be shared.
• 3:06:45
  Speaker 2: So it seems to me, I can't do pig.
• 3:06:51
  Speaker 1: Well, folks, that's it, even folk.
• 3:06:58
  Speaker 2: Thank you guys, And that.
• 3:07:01
  Speaker 3: I think is where we're going to end tonight, because
• 3:07:04
  Speaker 3: we want to save how that case ended up being
• 3:07:06
  Speaker 3: dismissed for our next episode. You guys will not go
• 3:07:11
  Speaker 3: Let's do a quick cast step date for this episode.
• 3:07:14
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 3:07:16
  Speaker 3: And even though these Quadra amigos were bailed out of jail.
• 3:07:20
  Speaker 3: We're gonna go ahead and still put bars on them
• 3:07:23
  Speaker 3: since at this point they are still in legal trouble.
• 3:07:28
  Speaker 3: Now we also have Passic and Waterford and Black and White,
• 3:07:32
  Speaker 3: as we learned they both had died by suicide in
• 3:07:36
  Speaker 3: the last episode.
• 3:07:40
  Speaker 1: Man, I was about to say, and nobody died this time?
• 3:07:43
  Speaker 2: Huh not yet?
• 3:07:45
  Speaker 3: Not yet now, Riginally, guys, all I can think about
• 3:07:50
  Speaker 3: these four is that they are spoiled, entitled brats, and
• 3:07:56
  Speaker 3: they could have used some grounding and some strict discipline
• 3:08:00
  Speaker 3: and growing up.
• 3:08:00
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 3:08:01
  Speaker 3: I'm not a fan of spare the child, spoil the rod,
• 3:08:04
  Speaker 3: but they could have used some of that, okay, because
• 3:08:08
  Speaker 3: the blatant disregard for anything that doesn't match their beliefs
• 3:08:13
  Speaker 3: is just asinine to me. Oh, you don't believe with
• 3:08:16
  Speaker 3: believe what I believe. You're bad, You're wrong.
• 3:08:19
  Speaker 9: I just.
• 3:08:22
  Speaker 3: I can't comprehend it, and the fact that they want
• 3:08:26
  Speaker 3: to save the world from AI, but they can't even
• 3:08:31
  Speaker 3: figure out or comprehend that they need to save the
• 3:08:35
  Speaker 3: world from themselves, right, I mean they give me a
• 3:08:43
  Speaker 3: freaking headache.
• 3:08:45
  Speaker 2: Girl, I these people, they make my head hurt. Yeah,
• 3:08:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, you really said it, right, that, like, I mean,
• 3:08:55
  Speaker 2: they really should have thought of things through, so like really.
• 3:08:59
  Speaker 3: Not a bail them out. Their parents should have said,
• 3:09:03
  Speaker 3: uh uh you stay.
• 3:09:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So really everything with this group to me just
• 3:09:09
  Speaker 2: he's getting progressively worse and worse and not working out.
• 3:09:16
  Speaker 2: I thought it wouldn't at all. What really bothers me
• 3:09:21
  Speaker 2: about this whole part of the story, like what we
• 3:09:24
  Speaker 2: talked about tonight, is that it seems like none of
• 3:09:27
  Speaker 2: them wanted to take responsibility for what happened, you know,
• 3:09:33
  Speaker 2: like it may not have been their intention, okay, but
• 3:09:37
  Speaker 2: like it didn't mean that all of the other things
• 3:09:41
  Speaker 2: and the other people's trauma that went through that, I mean,
• 3:09:45
  Speaker 2: that still fucking exists, all those kids, all eighteen of
• 3:09:49
  Speaker 2: those kids who had hunker down in place because they
• 3:09:52
  Speaker 2: were worried mm hm that somebody who's coming to hurt them,
• 3:09:56
  Speaker 2: And you can't find it in your heart at all,
• 3:09:58
  Speaker 2: Like I'm yes, legally don't want to admit that.
• 3:10:00
  Speaker 3: Legally, I get it, but you still should find it
• 3:10:04
  Speaker 3: to realize that your actions caused that trauma.
• 3:10:08
  Speaker 2: Yes, that's what I'm saying. And I'm fighting with the
• 3:10:12
  Speaker 2: police and all these police allegations, Like listen, like we
• 3:10:17
  Speaker 2: know that when it comes to all jails prisons like
• 3:10:21
  Speaker 2: those things are not great for those in the transgender community.
• 3:10:25
  Speaker 2: Like it's a big issue, a big, serious, freaking issue,
• 3:10:29
  Speaker 2: and minimizing it by this they are making it so,
• 3:10:33
  Speaker 2: they're making it so much worse, you know, because they're
• 3:10:37
  Speaker 2: they're going over the top with a fucking dramatics. You know,
• 3:10:42
  Speaker 2: they're quite frankly aggressive, you know, Withsomny saying, put a
• 3:10:46
  Speaker 2: fucking bullet in my brain. Yeah, Like, I mean, it's
• 3:10:52
  Speaker 2: just it takes away from us being able to have
• 3:10:56
  Speaker 2: the real conversations and get real resolutions for the people
• 3:11:01
  Speaker 2: that this effects. And I'm not saying it didn't affect them, Okay,
• 3:11:03
  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that perhaps some of them in their
• 3:11:07
  Speaker 2: time in jail, unfortunate things happened to them. Like I'm
• 3:11:10
  Speaker 2: not saying that, but like you, the way you behaved
• 3:11:15
  Speaker 2: is a disservice, a huge to service to those in
• 3:11:19
  Speaker 2: the community, and that like really bothers me so much,
• 3:11:24
  Speaker 2: because in my opinion, they seem to do more harm
• 3:11:28
  Speaker 2: than good. You know, I honestly find the more I
• 3:11:32
  Speaker 2: learn about each of them, unfortunately, Like when I first
• 3:11:35
  Speaker 2: started this, I had a lot of empathy for a
• 3:11:37
  Speaker 2: lot of different members of these Zizians, like, oh, you know,
• 3:11:41
  Speaker 2: they just got trapped into this whole sort of thing.
• 3:11:45
  Speaker 2: Like no, Like, the more I read about them and
• 3:11:48
  Speaker 2: their reactions to things and their thought process, the more
• 3:11:52
  Speaker 2: fucking and sufferable insufferable they are. They did not help
• 3:11:57
  Speaker 2: save the world for people like them. They have made
• 3:12:02
  Speaker 2: it worse. They've set their people back very far by
• 3:12:06
  Speaker 2: their fucking crazy antics, like get the fuck out of
• 3:12:10
  Speaker 2: here with that business. That's crazy to me, and we're
• 3:12:14
  Speaker 2: not even in the hot head love rants.
• 3:12:18
  Speaker 3: I love them, do I do get John Terry?
• 3:12:20
  Speaker 2: I don't often like I you here you go solidarity.
• 3:12:34
  Speaker 2: I love the finger heart Like seriously, these people pissed
• 3:12:36
  Speaker 2: me off so.
• 3:12:37
  Speaker 1: Much mhm jokes like I always do. Please, we need something,
• 3:12:47
  Speaker 1: I mean the thing before before those though, I mean
• 3:12:49
  Speaker 1: the thing is like it really it does grind my
• 3:12:53
  Speaker 1: gears because this whole you don't believe what I believe,
• 3:12:55
  Speaker 1: so you're wrong, evil and I hate you. It's pretty
• 3:12:57
  Speaker 1: much par for the course these days, and that's what
• 3:12:59
  Speaker 1: they're doing. And it drives me nuts because it just
• 3:13:02
  Speaker 1: somehow validates other people's concepts of this. It just y anyway.
• 3:13:08
  Speaker 1: So tonight we followed four people, all with elite level intellects,
• 3:13:12
  Speaker 1: supposedly having access to cutting edge rationalist tools, who somehow
• 3:13:17
  Speaker 1: still managed to plan a protest with strategic foresight of
• 3:13:20
  Speaker 1: a raccoon trying to hot wire a tesla. And just
• 3:13:24
  Speaker 1: like any good rationalist or any good rationalist retreat, we
• 3:13:29
  Speaker 1: went from Bayesian reasoning to blocking a road with a
• 3:13:32
  Speaker 1: priest and a box struck full of hurt feelings. It's
• 3:13:36
  Speaker 1: inspiring to see what happens when you take every tool
• 3:13:40
  Speaker 1: for self improvement and use it to build an escape
• 3:13:42
  Speaker 1: room inside your own mind that you can't even escape yourself.
• 3:13:46
  Speaker 1: In the end, what started as an apparent quest to
• 3:13:51
  Speaker 1: save the world from AI turned into the live action
• 3:13:54
  Speaker 1: equivalent of a Reddit thread that got a way way
• 3:13:57
  Speaker 1: at a hand. And while we can appreciate a good
• 3:14:01
  Speaker 1: dystopian aesthetic, maybe, just maybe, the next time someone wants
• 3:14:05
  Speaker 1: to stage a revolution, don't do it dressed like the
• 3:14:08
  Speaker 1: cast of E for Vendetta, as it had been directed
• 3:14:10
  Speaker 1: by Tommy Wizzo. But hey, we all learned something valuable tonight.
• 3:14:18
  Speaker 1: You can spend thirty nine hundred dollars to learn rationality,
• 3:14:22
  Speaker 1: or you can watch this series and learn what to
• 3:14:24
  Speaker 1: do for free.
• 3:14:27
  Speaker 2: Ish righted you know too, and like you know earlier,
• 3:14:35
  Speaker 2: like the reason for bringing up the CEA Far workshops
• 3:14:38
  Speaker 2: and things like that, you know, between everything we've talked
• 3:14:41
  Speaker 2: about the last three episodes explaining like Zizzi's phrase, frame
• 3:14:46
  Speaker 2: of mind and thinking and now others frame of mind
• 3:14:48
  Speaker 2: and thinking, I have a lot of freaking questions for
• 3:14:53
  Speaker 2: ce Far, like I really really do. Like, tell me
• 3:14:58
  Speaker 2: why so many people that belong to your community again
• 3:15:03
  Speaker 2: have mental fucking breakdowns, self harm, criminal problems. Tell me why?
• 3:15:10
  Speaker 2: Because you're doing such a fucking great job at four
• 3:15:13
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars for these fucking bullshit things, and here we are,
• 3:15:18
  Speaker 2: see Far, I think you need to do some more
• 3:15:19
  Speaker 2: Murphy fucking jiu jitsu and whatever the other fucking bullshit
• 3:15:23
  Speaker 2: you sell. And I think you need to look inside here.
• 3:15:27
  Speaker 2: I think you need to do some self reflection. I'm
• 3:15:28
  Speaker 2: sure you have some stupid fucking term for it, you know,
• 3:15:32
  Speaker 2: and like yeah, this and friends like this is kind
• 3:15:35
  Speaker 2: of their own decision, but they came to you first.
• 3:15:38
  Speaker 2: You know, we need to ask ourselves how much responsibility
• 3:15:42
  Speaker 2: do see Far actually have in this community? Because this
• 3:15:48
  Speaker 2: and them are not like I mean, I know that
• 3:15:52
  Speaker 2: they're out there and we make fun of them, but
• 3:15:54
  Speaker 2: like as as miss Salomon said, we didn't know. We
• 3:15:59
  Speaker 2: didn't know that we were creating conditions for a cult.
• 3:16:04
  Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here, Ana Solomon, you're full
• 3:16:06
  Speaker 2: of shitsult exactly. You took a bandage of neurodivergent smart people.
• 3:16:14
  Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here, Anna Solomon.
• 3:16:16
  Speaker 3: If you on the show, in behind you, it's just adorable.
• 3:16:20
  Speaker 3: With a little dog butt shaking and rubbing against the couch.
• 3:16:23
  Speaker 2: That's Zoe.
• 3:16:23
  Speaker 1: She sucks.
• 3:16:24
  Speaker 2: Listen, I love it. I love my dogs. But she
• 3:16:28
  Speaker 2: is the one that we talked about. I know, but
• 3:16:30
  Speaker 2: I love that she's sitting.
• 3:16:31
  Speaker 3: There shaking her butt going these people crazy, These people crazy.
• 3:16:36
  Speaker 2: Anyway, that's my rant about I have very strong, strong
• 3:16:41
  Speaker 2: issues with them. Okay, So next week's episode we will
• 3:16:44
  Speaker 2: continue to cover some more of the zizzy and shenanigans.
• 3:16:48
  Speaker 2: You've got You thought we've gotten so crazy? How can
• 3:16:51
  Speaker 2: I get crazier? You're in for a triple ride of craziness. Okay,
• 3:16:57
  Speaker 2: and has up. This is where things in the timeline
• 3:17:01
  Speaker 2: start to get very very dark. Okay, We'll be focusing
• 3:17:06
  Speaker 2: on Curtis Lynn, the older guy they met at the
• 3:17:09
  Speaker 2: harbor last week who has let them move their slackmobiles
• 3:17:13
  Speaker 2: onto his property, and for some of them, their legal
• 3:17:17
  Speaker 2: woes are about to get so much more serious. And
• 3:17:20
  Speaker 2: I will let you guys know that if you enjoyed
• 3:17:22
  Speaker 2: my rants tonight, be prepared for next week because I
• 3:17:26
  Speaker 2: have very I am very passionate about the next episode
• 3:17:31
  Speaker 2: and how I feel. And I have a few people
• 3:17:33
  Speaker 2: in this freaking community that I plan on calling out
• 3:17:38
  Speaker 2: about this, so definitely join join next week.
• 3:17:42
  Speaker 3: So, so, guys, perfect time to tell you. If you
• 3:17:46
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• 3:18:04
  Speaker 3: up there, that algorithm thing that I don't understand. I'm
• 3:18:07
  Speaker 3: sure AI has something to do with this.
• 3:18:09
  Speaker 2: We're simpletons, Harry, we kind of understand. We're simpletons. Yeah.
• 3:18:14
  Speaker 3: Now, we will be back this Thursday at nine eastern
• 3:18:19
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• 3:18:23
  Speaker 3: music legend Marvin Day. And then I am back tomorrow
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• 3:18:34
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• 3:18:39
  Speaker 3: the tail in Shenanigans of the Zizians is they take
• 3:18:44
  Speaker 3: a much darker, darker, darker path.
• 3:18:47
  Speaker 1: Oh gosh, you guys, and I just I want to
• 3:18:51
  Speaker 1: throw this out there. You had mentioned money, Tara, and
• 3:18:55
  Speaker 1: this is in see far and I found Seafar's twenty
• 3:18:59
  Speaker 1: twenty to tax return. Oh. Their contributions in grants in
• 3:19:06
  Speaker 1: terms of revenue in twenty twenty two was eleven eleven
• 3:19:10
  Speaker 1: million dollars somehow, somehow, Their total expenses for the same
• 3:19:17
  Speaker 1: year were around around uh ten million with a full shit.
• 3:19:25
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so total assets was twenty six million, total
• 3:19:28
  Speaker 1: liabilities twenty one million. Their net assets are fun balanced
• 3:19:32
  Speaker 1: four point seven million, which I would like to say
• 3:19:34
  Speaker 1: is a very scientology related.
• 3:19:38
  Speaker 2: Get that suck out of here. I'm going to bring
• 3:19:40
  Speaker 2: my microphone click. Get the fuck out of here with
• 3:19:42
  Speaker 2: you guys. A stupid fucking nonprofit bullshit.
• 3:19:45
  Speaker 3: Now they have got to be set up as a
• 3:19:47
  Speaker 3: religion of some sort.
• 3:19:48
  Speaker 2: No, no, you know who one of their biggest supporters are.
• 3:19:51
  Speaker 2: And we were not going to get political, but one
• 3:19:53
  Speaker 2: of their biggest supporters.
• 3:19:54
  Speaker 1: Is Peter fucking feel Oh that's all we need to say.
• 3:19:58
  Speaker 1: That's an anyway.
• 3:19:59
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's it ever but wow, I did not know that.
• 3:20:01
  Speaker 2: Thank you Ja taking that out?
• 3:20:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you know, rant us out with this.
• 3:20:11
  Speaker 2: I want to say thank you to everyone for being
• 3:20:14
  Speaker 2: here for time. I know it was a long one,
• 3:20:16
  Speaker 2: but I hope we really learned a lot. And until
• 3:20:19
  Speaker 2: next time, go forth and be amazing. Sing your hearts
• 3:20:25
  Speaker 2: for all my fellows. I love you guys.
• 3:20:29
  Speaker 3: Please stay safe, stay away from the colts. If you
• 3:20:35
  Speaker 3: see something, speak up and do not drink their wine.
• 3:20:40
  Speaker 3: Enjoy your wine time, but make sure you're the one
• 3:20:42
  Speaker 3: who opens the bottle and not somebody else because you
• 3:20:44
  Speaker 3: don't know what they put in it.
• 3:20:47
  Speaker 1: Be safe, yeah, you know, and thanks for tuning in.
• 3:20:51
  Speaker 1: Take care of yourselves, your friends, family, community. Don't let
• 3:20:55
  Speaker 1: anybody live in a box truck or.
• 3:21:00
  Speaker 2: Uhh y friend, box trucks a box of line though, yeah.
• 3:21:09
  Speaker 1: Not my box. We're living as a big one, my
• 3:21:12
  Speaker 1: bag of one. All right, bye, everybody. See it's crazy
• 3:21:19
  Speaker 1: diamonds m hm mm hmmmmm.